**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Aug 06 02:59:58 2010 Aug 06 03:02:33 going to take more time than I have tonight to get any kind of clue about this stuff. Thanks for the suggestions, though. Aug 06 03:02:57 haeffb: I thought you knew everything O_O way to shatter my image of you Aug 06 04:01:29 Hey all! Aug 06 04:01:37 hey Aug 06 04:03:08 Anivrom: hey buddy! Aug 06 04:03:18 dkirker: hey other buddy! Aug 06 04:03:27 What app are you working on? Aug 06 04:08:42 Me? Aug 06 04:08:46 yar Aug 06 04:08:54 Yar? Aug 06 04:09:02 yes Aug 06 04:09:55 Aye Aug 06 04:09:59 Right now, nothing Aug 06 04:10:05 I'm on vacation Aug 06 04:10:09 now that's a problem Aug 06 04:10:11 In general, a lot of stuff Aug 06 04:10:13 best time to make apps Aug 06 04:10:24 Checkers 2.2 Aug 06 04:10:40 Random Space Aug 06 04:12:17 Slewth Aug 06 04:13:51 Anivrom: other top sekrit stuff Aug 06 04:14:01 I see I see Aug 06 04:17:58 Anivrom: you? Aug 06 04:18:07 Kal: hey, you're here Aug 06 04:18:14 Same game. Aug 06 04:18:24 She's busy doing gfx stuffs Aug 06 04:18:26 :P Aug 06 04:18:58 Anivrom: will you ever finish? Aug 06 04:19:02 haha Aug 06 04:19:08 In a few weeks Aug 06 04:19:08 Kal: you should do my graphics! Aug 06 04:19:23 You were right about underestimating the time thingy Aug 06 04:22:04 Anivrom: always am ;) Aug 06 04:22:11 heh Aug 06 04:29:45 Quiet tonight. Aug 06 04:30:17 yea really Aug 06 04:30:25 everyones making killer apps Aug 06 04:30:42 Hah, good joke Aug 06 04:30:58 Thanks. I rehearse it eveyrday infront of the mirror Aug 06 04:31:14 finally good to let it out. Aug 06 04:31:29 Hehe Aug 06 04:37:36 Checkers is a pain right now. Aug 06 04:37:45 how so Aug 06 04:40:07 chockers Aug 06 04:40:12 Just a pain to program Aug 06 04:40:16 chkraockrs Aug 06 04:41:11 Crackers? Aug 06 04:41:56 crackers the game Aug 06 04:42:28 torchie: you ever been to chicago? Aug 06 04:42:36 yeah Aug 06 04:42:48 briefly Aug 06 04:42:56 Ah Aug 06 04:43:07 to visit my uncle Aug 06 04:43:08 I dicked around schaumburg and bolingbrook a little too Aug 06 04:43:40 I'm at the south side right now Aug 06 04:45:13 what you up to you crazy goose Aug 06 04:45:49 ? Aug 06 04:48:20 in the south side Aug 06 04:48:25 don't you stop oregon Aug 06 04:48:28 stomp oregon Aug 06 04:48:35 * Aug 06 04:49:06 I don't follow Aug 06 04:49:11 Stomp oregon? Aug 06 04:50:34 What endeavors are you pursuing in chicago? Aug 06 04:51:46 Visiting Aug 06 04:52:19 the fam? Aug 06 04:53:31 No Aug 06 04:54:50 Anivrom: checkers shop = hell Aug 06 04:55:05 oh, a shop Aug 06 04:55:14 I made a shop for my app. Aug 06 04:55:46 im trying to use webos quick install Aug 06 04:55:47 With payment integration? Aug 06 04:55:53 and its hung up... Aug 06 04:55:58 anyway to kill this? Aug 06 04:55:58 And other stuff Aug 06 04:56:11 Pulls data from server Aug 06 04:56:22 who wants to pay real money? Aug 06 04:56:25 whoolio: uhm, mac or pc? Aug 06 04:56:38 Anivrom: exactly Aug 06 04:56:51 mac Aug 06 04:56:52 Downloads files, images, etc from server. Aug 06 04:57:02 it won't detect the devce and i can't stop the program Aug 06 04:57:03 whoolio: try forcequitting it. Aug 06 04:57:05 or reboot Aug 06 04:57:40 whoolio: ensure your device is in developer mode. Aug 06 04:57:54 yeah it is Aug 06 04:58:12 thank u...not a mac guy...didn't know the term force quit Aug 06 04:58:39 I would pop into #webos-internals and ask if you can't get it to work. Aug 06 05:26:54 It's so quiet Aug 06 05:27:41 ECHO! Aug 06 05:27:57 Echo... Echo... echo..... echo Aug 06 05:28:42 dekan: inventory Aug 06 05:28:43 * dekan contains a towel, a big stick, a tactical low yield nuclear weapon, and a star trek stun phaser. Aug 06 05:34:44 dekan: take knife Aug 06 05:34:44 I cannot access that data. Aug 06 05:38:09 * kesne_pre gives dekan a knife Aug 06 05:38:10 * dekan now contains a knife. Aug 06 05:38:29 * kesne_pre gives dekan a condom. Aug 06 05:38:29 kesne_pre: I already have a condom. Aug 06 05:38:36 Lolol. Aug 06 05:42:11 heh Aug 06 05:42:36 Anivrom: so hows the app coming along? Aug 06 05:42:52 steady Aug 06 05:43:13 Steady? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Aug 06 05:44:27 2010 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Aug 06 08:30:14 2010 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Aug 06 08:30:21 2010 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Aug 06 08:32:14 2010 Aug 06 10:26:50 hey Aug 06 11:08:13 hey Aug 06 11:08:18 swisstomcat i need your help :d Aug 06 11:08:30 hi Aug 06 11:09:24 how much do you pay? ;) Aug 06 11:13:39 hmm Aug 06 11:13:42 one beer? Aug 06 11:13:54 sounds good Aug 06 11:14:16 :) you get it when we meet in usa some time ;) Aug 06 11:14:27 its about List formatters, you know therm right? Aug 06 11:15:43 not that much i think Aug 06 11:17:55 go ahead Aug 06 11:19:47 Its does not work for me:) Aug 06 11:19:53 http://webos101.com/List#List_formatters Aug 06 11:20:19 i find the right item and get the data Aug 06 11:20:39 but when i change the data it should show, nothing happens, et sitll shows the "old" data Aug 06 11:20:52 like its not updating correct with it Aug 06 11:43:15 hotdp paste some code Aug 06 11:48:40 July reports available Aug 06 11:56:42 * haeffb had 7% of total DL's in Europe Aug 06 11:56:52 yeah, just saw them Aug 06 11:58:27 7.5% for me (germany,france,uk) Aug 06 11:59:31 + Ireland, Netherlands, Spain Aug 06 11:59:43 1 each Aug 06 11:59:49 netherlands? Aug 06 11:59:56 are they an official country? Aug 06 12:00:01 's what is says Aug 06 12:00:04 hmm Aug 06 12:00:17 i wonder what would happen if they went all international and accepted paypal Aug 06 12:00:49 how difficult is it to get a credit card? Aug 06 12:01:30 * haeffb currently gettin 5.1MB DL and 8.5MB UL speeds Aug 06 12:01:48 something is wrong on their end. Aug 06 12:02:16 supposed to be 10x4 Aug 06 12:02:45 haeffb: i just got an american gift visitcard ($25) Aug 06 12:03:01 gift creditcard even Aug 06 12:03:17 did you have to get someone here to send it? Aug 06 12:04:32 oops...gotta go....late for work. Aug 06 12:04:46 tell hotdp I will be 'round later to help with formatters. Aug 06 12:04:53 i picked one up on my us visit Aug 06 12:04:54 i will Aug 06 12:08:37 hey Aug 06 12:08:43 sry was with a co-worker Aug 06 12:09:17 haeffb still here? Aug 06 12:14:45 (02:04:48 PM) haeffb: tell hotdp I will be 'round later to help with formatters. Aug 06 12:14:54 he went to work Aug 06 12:15:36 oki :) Aug 06 12:15:45 Do you know what "later" is ? Aug 06 12:16:09 i think the list issue is my last problem for my app ;) Aug 06 12:16:25 /last task' Aug 06 12:19:34 hello dekan Aug 06 12:23:12 * swisstomcat kicks dekan Aug 06 12:30:28 phew, big beta update Aug 06 12:30:36 show a route map and add route to calendar Aug 06 12:38:10 bbl Aug 06 12:48:33 hotdp? Aug 06 12:49:23 haeffb :) Aug 06 12:49:30 ready to help me? Aug 06 12:50:31 paste your formatter code Aug 06 12:50:43 what's going wrong? Aug 06 12:53:35 My senario is this Aug 06 12:53:53 I have an empty list that gets data later and that works just fine Aug 06 12:54:36 If i do as http://webos101.com/List#List_formatters and i console.log() i can see that i enter the "method" but the data that i see has not changed Aug 06 12:58:20 i make paste bin Aug 06 12:59:16 http://pastebin.com/NnZxZSQX that is from my setup Aug 06 13:10:46 hotdp: Aug 06 13:11:11 what you have will become nameFormatted in the template Aug 06 13:12:13 ? Aug 06 13:12:28 if the name is "blah" i want it to be "blah2" Aug 06 13:12:57 yes... Aug 06 13:13:23 you mean add a '2' to the name? Aug 06 13:13:28 or...? Aug 06 13:14:41 you've created a formatter for your items property: name Aug 06 13:15:14 in your template you need to use {nameFormatted} Aug 06 13:15:52 lol Aug 06 13:16:07 Formatted need to be added all the time? Aug 06 13:16:11 what you have will put the string 'hejsa' in place of nameFormatted Aug 06 13:16:51 yes - lets you still use the original property value if you want as well Aug 06 13:17:28 {name} & {nameFormatted} can both be in template Aug 06 13:17:35 omgomg Aug 06 13:17:54 i just thought it was an example text Aug 06 13:18:01 thank you :) Aug 06 13:18:06 formatters is awesome. but don't tell Anivrom Aug 06 13:18:25 go forth and format! Aug 06 13:19:05 Anivrom = mr. Ares Aug 06 13:19:08 why? Aug 06 13:19:27 yep, but he can't get ares to do formatters Aug 06 13:19:56 he'l get all depressed if you tell him you have them working... :) Aug 06 13:20:44 note that you can add a formatter for properties that don't even exist in your model.items Aug 06 13:21:26 say you wanted to add current time Aug 06 13:21:26 You wanted to add current time! Aug 06 13:21:48 time: return new Date(); Aug 06 13:22:06 formatted appropriately, of course Aug 06 13:22:22 thanks dekan Aug 06 13:22:26 It's funny, i havev used Ares for my 2 first apps, but when i would add list i could not get help inhere, so i started using Eclipse :) And now i wil NOT go back to Ares.. Aug 06 13:28:05 such ares hate Aug 06 13:30:19 I have just wasted to many hours on bugs that i have developed hate.. Aug 06 13:30:21 nah, it's just Mojo love Aug 06 13:30:38 bugs within Ares Aug 06 13:30:39 well except for hotdp Aug 06 13:34:11 haeffb, thanks again! Mojo rocks.. Aug 06 13:55:38 hi guys ... i have used web view ... the page is redirected internally ... can i knwon the redirect url? Aug 06 14:01:45 can anyone help? Aug 06 14:14:53 morning everyone Aug 06 14:24:19 morning all Aug 06 14:24:53 hardcore archiving action Aug 06 14:38:47 Rawr Aug 06 14:39:28 Be afraid of my nubbyness Aug 06 14:40:44 Scared 1 person off Aug 06 14:40:59 hello Anivrom|pre Aug 06 14:41:05 Hi Aug 06 14:42:12 What app are you workin on? Aug 06 14:50:07 Hey robdor any update? Aug 06 14:50:59 Not yet, things have been pretty busy for me so I haven't had my nights to work on my game. Aug 06 14:51:26 Yea kinda the same for me Aug 06 14:52:29 Are you looking for beta testers for your game yet? Aug 06 14:53:58 Not yet. Still a couple weeks out -_- Aug 06 14:54:08 Things keep popping up Aug 06 14:54:30 What kind of game is it? Aug 06 14:55:06 I can't discus those details remember? Aug 06 14:55:06 Discuss either Aug 06 14:55:41 It was worth a shot. :) Aug 06 14:59:39 Anivrom|pre: you developing a game/ Aug 06 14:59:40 ? Aug 06 15:04:49 Lonestar99: you didn't know? Aug 06 15:09:44 Anivrom|pre: nope Aug 06 15:09:54 you building it from scratch? Aug 06 15:11:16 I want to have my app create a CSV file and then attach it to an email to send off. Is this possible using the current SDK, or do I need to use the PDK for the file creation? Aug 06 15:12:47 cohoman_: it seems like it would be possible with current sdk Aug 06 15:15:08 Lonestar99: yes from scratch, how else can you build games? Aug 06 15:16:52 In canvas. Aug 06 15:19:06 Anivrom|pre: copying exisiting code Aug 06 15:19:30 I see, no I'm doing everything from the ground up Aug 06 15:19:53 oh ok, cool Aug 06 15:20:08 when do think it will be released? Aug 06 15:20:42 Well it should be in beta in about 2 weeks I hope. Already been working on it for 3 Aug 06 15:21:15 My first app in webos && javascript so its a rough ride Aug 06 15:21:37 Plus trailblazing ares doesn't help Aug 06 15:22:09 coh Aug 06 15:22:36 Crypt of home? Aug 06 15:22:52 Anarchy online reference Aug 06 15:22:53 Anivrom|pre: ok cool, will test it when it is ready for testing Aug 06 15:23:01 hi haeffb_pre Aug 06 15:23:01 cohoman_: you can't create the file directly on device. you could send data to a server, have it create the file & dl it Aug 06 15:23:11 hi LoneStar99 Aug 06 15:23:37 or you can send the csv data in the body of the email Aug 06 15:23:45 The game is certainly not everyones style so you might not like it Aug 06 15:25:40 I don't like it Aug 06 15:25:40 Anivrom|pre: will test it regardless, Aug 06 15:26:08 Thanks Aug 06 15:30:13 anyone here know how to manipulate web pages (with javascript content) into an easier to read format? maybe json or something? Aug 06 15:31:04 Currently I test it during the day at work which clears up alot of bugs but no app is bugfree Aug 06 15:32:39 Anivrom|pre: cool and then you work on it at night? Aug 06 15:32:53 Yea Aug 06 15:33:05 HattCzech_work: you mean converting a webpage into json or xml? Aug 06 15:33:30 hey guys ... i'm using web view ... the page is redirected internally ... can i knwon the redirected url from web view? Aug 06 15:40:47 Ugh, wondering if anyone else has this issue. 1.4.1 with a Sprint Pre. When I type quickly and press @, v, b, or comma followed quickly by a space, the space does not get typed Aug 06 15:40:48 LoneStar99: yeah, basically Aug 06 15:41:09 but 1/2 of the page's content is loaded from javascript Aug 06 15:41:18 so it's a bit trickier than i'd like it to be Aug 06 15:42:06 HattCzech_work: let me think... Aug 06 15:45:41 Ok thinking time is over. Have a solution yet? Aug 06 15:46:05 heheh Aug 06 15:46:47 it's definitely tricky Aug 06 15:48:50 HattCzech_work: i think you would have parse content to temp file, then you manipulate temp file Aug 06 15:49:32 hmmm, i was afraid of that... what could i use to get the page? Aug 06 15:49:42 HattCzech_work: I know it can be done by sending content to php file, then php reformatts content, add proper JSON and then shoot it back to mobile device via Aug 06 15:50:11 damn, so not so much on the client side? sounds more server-side? Aug 06 15:50:21 @@,@,@,@,@,@ Aug 06 15:50:33 @, @, @, Aug 06 15:50:47 @@ @@@@@@ @@@@@ Aug 06 15:50:52 Proof of concept demonstration I presume Aug 06 15:51:22 Bseigel: see above Aug 06 15:51:45 bsiegel: confirmed Aug 06 15:52:21 Oh you concur with his findings haeffb? Aug 06 15:52:31 yep Aug 06 15:52:42 I she. Wonder why Aug 06 15:52:53 if I hit space quickly it doesn't show up Aug 06 15:53:08 Mine too Aug 06 15:53:28 . . . . . . . . ,,,,,,,,,,,@@@@@@@@@@@ Aug 06 15:53:38 HattCzech_work: what i do is process all json and have it formatted how i want with php, then send it to client. that way the client code is clean, and if you need to make a change you do it serverside and client is not affected and user does not need to get a new app update Aug 06 15:53:44 bsiegel: slow down. enjoy life more.... :) Aug 06 15:54:45 hmmm, might be tricky Aug 06 15:55:03 This bug in wIRC where it erases the users list in the channel when you disconnect and reconnect again is annoying Aug 06 15:55:09 LoneStar99: i'm trying to make a cleaner interface for dd-wrt :) Aug 06 15:55:56 Doesn't load them when you reconnect and keep the card open Aug 06 15:56:18 Oil: if you're listning Aug 06 15:58:53 Just found 3 bugs Aug 06 15:59:47 HattCzech_work: you getting page content from "dd-wrt.com" and you want to reformat it? Aug 06 16:09:01 Elevators are my arch nemesis. Considering pres reception is terrible Aug 06 16:09:09 Anivrom|pre: new wirc or old wirc? Aug 06 16:10:35 New Aug 06 16:10:53 030 on 1.4.5 Aug 06 16:13:18 lies! 1.4.5 isn't available! Aug 06 16:23:04 dekan: is 1.4.5 out yet? Aug 06 16:23:04 NO! Aug 06 16:24:12 Maik: you're like a ninja, slip in and say a few dekan related remarks then slip into the shadows again Aug 06 16:24:24 it's how i roll :D Aug 06 16:24:33 Rofl! Aug 06 16:25:46 haeffb_pre: you didn't get the memo? 1.4.5 was released to uber devs first :O Aug 06 16:25:57 damn straight Aug 06 16:26:05 * halfhalo_class gives dekan 1.4.5 sprint doctor Aug 06 16:26:05 * dekan is now carrying 1.4.5 sprint doctor. Aug 06 16:26:15 Lol Aug 06 16:28:28 * Anivrom|pre gives dekan The Sugardavian Guide to 'Stupid Mojo Tricks' Aug 06 16:28:28 * dekan is now carrying The Sugardavian Guide to 'Stupid Mojo Tricks'. Aug 06 16:29:57 dekan: : inventory Aug 06 16:29:58 I cannot access that data. Aug 06 16:30:09 dekan: inventory Aug 06 16:30:10 * dekan is carrying a towel, a big stick, a tactical low yield nuclear weapon, a star trek stun phaser, a condom, a knife, a flower, a bigger knife, a pair of Maui Jim Sunglasses, a steamy pile of poop, 1.4.5 sprint doctor, and The Sugardavian Guide to 'Stupid Mojo Tricks'. Aug 06 16:30:30 Aww Aug 06 16:30:46 Dekan: drop a big stick Aug 06 16:30:46 That is not bananas Aug 06 16:30:55 -_- Aug 06 16:31:54 Dekan: commands Aug 06 16:31:55 Unhand me, defiler! Aug 06 16:32:00 Dekan: help Aug 06 16:32:01 Beeeeeeeeeeeeep! Aug 06 16:32:18 Dekan: go die in a fire Aug 06 16:32:18 I'm sorry, there's currently nothing associated with that keyphrase. Aug 06 16:35:42 can i have the sugardavian guide? Aug 06 16:35:50 deka: nom Aug 06 16:35:55 dekan: nom Aug 06 16:35:55 So's your face. Aug 06 16:36:11 dekan:shut it Aug 06 16:36:12 I don't know anything about that. Aug 06 16:36:18 haeffb_pre: Sprint pre as well, or do you see that behavior on a different model? Aug 06 16:36:25 * halfhalo_class slaps dekan Aug 06 16:36:27 dekan: pack it in Aug 06 16:36:27 Can't talk, zombies! Aug 06 16:36:39 * CTLAdvance kicks dekan Aug 06 16:37:02 Bseigel: its pre's in general Aug 06 16:37:16 mine is Sprint pre Aug 06 16:37:44 Mine is bell in canada Aug 06 16:37:50 So its pre's in genera Aug 06 16:39:07 drnull in #webos-internals suggests it's a filter - if you try other keys, quickly pressing a key next to the one you just pressed ignores the second key Aug 06 16:39:36 Sounds plausible Aug 06 16:39:42 but with the spacebar, the period works fine but the comma which is a ways away does not. Maybe someone accidentally put comma when they meant period Aug 06 16:40:41 Possibly. Sounds like a good theory, Aug 06 16:42:38 Dekan: literal gives Aug 06 16:42:39 Beeeeeeeeeeeeep! Aug 06 16:43:04 Maik: how do we take items away from dekan Aug 06 16:43:23 dekan: give me bananas Aug 06 16:43:23 I don't know anything about that. Aug 06 16:43:26 hmm Aug 06 16:43:32 dekan: inventory Aug 06 16:43:33 * dekan is carrying a towel, a big stick, a tactical low yield nuclear weapon, a star trek stun phaser, a condom, a knife, a flower, a bigger knife, a pair of Maui Jim Sunglasses, a steamy pile of poop, 1.4.5 sprint doctor, and The Sugardavian Guide to 'Stupid Mojo Tricks'. Aug 06 16:43:34 Lol Aug 06 16:43:44 dekan: drop a towel Aug 06 16:43:44 So's your face. Aug 06 16:43:56 dekan: give Anivrom|pre a towel Aug 06 16:43:56 Error 42: Factoid not in database. Please contact administrator of current universe. Aug 06 16:43:59 dekan: docs Aug 06 16:44:00 Don't trust the docs. Aug 06 16:44:02 please hold :) Aug 06 16:44:07 wtf Aug 06 16:44:10 dekan: literal docs Aug 06 16:44:11 docs (#80) My documentation is at: http://wiki.xkcd.com/irc/Bucket|(#229) Don't trust the docs. Aug 06 16:44:15 dekan: docs Aug 06 16:44:15 My documentation is at: http://wiki.xkcd.com/irc/Bucket Aug 06 16:44:20 dekan: delete #229 Aug 06 16:44:20 Okay, maik, deleted 'docs Don't trust the docs.'. Aug 06 16:44:25 dekan: protect docs Aug 06 16:44:26 Okay, maik, updated the protection bit. Aug 06 16:44:31 jerks Aug 06 16:45:23 * halfhalo_class gives dekan maik Aug 06 16:45:23 * dekan is now carrying maik. Aug 06 16:45:33 unhand me, defiler! Aug 06 16:46:29 Anivrom|pre: i don't think you can arbitrarily get him to drop something Aug 06 16:46:50 but you can put $giveitem into a factoid and it will drop that item Aug 06 16:49:12 Hahhaaha Aug 06 16:49:23 That sucks Aug 06 16:50:57 rice cakes... bleh Aug 06 16:53:17 Bleh is right. Mickey D's is where its at (unless you're watching your cholesterol) Aug 06 16:54:08 Nah, some one in the office brought em in due to their sons birthday Aug 06 16:54:30 Lol Aug 06 16:55:31 Nasty. I can't physically eat them. I gag Aug 06 16:55:57 Even the flavoured ones Aug 06 17:00:15 * Anivrom|pre is eating lean cuisine tvdinner for lunch :/ Aug 06 17:00:22 dekan: delete inventory Aug 06 17:00:22 UNCAUGHT EXCEPTION: TERMINATING Aug 06 17:00:49 * Anivrom|pre gives dekan dekan Aug 06 17:00:49 * dekan is now carrying dekan. Aug 06 17:01:03 dekan forget inventory Aug 06 17:01:07 dekan: forget inventory Aug 06 17:01:07 Whoa... Paradoxially trippy Aug 06 17:01:07 UNCAUGHT EXCEPTION: TERMINATING Aug 06 17:01:17 He's carrying himself Aug 06 17:01:57 dekan: unprotect docs Aug 06 17:01:57 Can't talk, zombies! Aug 06 17:02:31 * CTLAdvance gives dekan a shiney new HP Palm C40 Aug 06 17:02:31 * dekan is now carrying a shiney new HP Palm C40. Aug 06 17:02:48 * CTLAdvance gives dekan a bullet proof vest Aug 06 17:02:48 Okay, CTLAdvance. Aug 06 17:03:06 Dekan: docs Aug 06 17:03:06 My documentation is at: http://wiki.xkcd.com/irc/Bucket Aug 06 17:03:10 dekan: inventory Aug 06 17:03:11 * dekan contains a towel, a big stick, a tactical low yield nuclear weapon, a star trek stun phaser, a condom, a knife, a flower, a bigger knife, a pair of Maui Jim Sunglasses, a steamy pile of poop, 1.4.5 sprint doctor, The Sugardavian Guide to 'Stupid Mojo Tricks', maik, dekan, a shiney new HP Palm C40, and a bullet proof vest. Aug 06 17:04:13 Dekan: ignore maik Aug 06 17:04:13 So's your face. Aug 06 17:04:25 CTLAdvance: look at docs for usage Aug 06 17:04:29 Dekan, ignore maik Aug 06 17:04:29 I don't know Aug 06 17:04:38 Yeah I am trying to figure it out Aug 06 17:04:51 dekan, unignore maik Aug 06 17:04:51 I don't know Aug 06 17:04:54 bah Aug 06 17:04:58 dekan: bah Aug 06 17:04:58 Beeeeeeeeeeeeep! Aug 06 17:04:59 dekan: ignore CTLAdvance Aug 06 17:04:59 Okay, maik. Ignore list updated. Aug 06 17:05:02 :D Aug 06 17:05:07 ARG! Aug 06 17:05:16 only ops in the current channel or control channel can control him Aug 06 17:05:21 I see Aug 06 17:05:24 very nice Aug 06 17:05:29 dekan: unignore CTLAdvance Aug 06 17:05:29 Okay, maik. Ignore list updated. Aug 06 17:05:44 dekan: list ignored Aug 06 17:05:44 Currently ignored: billygoat, flyingferret Aug 06 17:05:47 heh Aug 06 17:06:06 ok enough wasting time with Mr dekan... back to work for me Aug 06 17:06:09 cheers Aug 06 17:06:18 This lean cuisine isn't bad at all Aug 06 17:08:36 Mmm coca-cola Aug 06 17:09:46 i stopped drinking caffeine earlier this week, haven't had any since monday Aug 06 17:10:04 and i didn't get hit with a crazy bad headache like i thought i would, which is good Aug 06 17:10:18 lots more water makes a body happy :D Aug 06 17:11:06 Meh I drink both Aug 06 17:11:33 This feature/bug task list keeps getting bigger and bigger Aug 06 17:16:56 Is considering purchasing haeffb's done app Aug 06 17:19:13 ./me? Aug 06 17:20:51 hi all! Aug 06 17:20:56 Hey digitalpowers Aug 06 17:21:04 Hi :) Aug 06 17:21:10 :) Aug 06 17:21:40 guys, i've a problem with the PDK, i hope someone can help me: i'm using Xcode and trying to load a PNG using the IMG_Load function of SDL_Image.h Aug 06 17:22:12 i've included the SDL_Image.h header, but i've an unresolved external linker error on the function IMG_Load. There is a static library i've to include in xcode ? or a framework ? Aug 06 17:22:16 * Anivrom|pre looks at robdor Aug 06 17:22:56 ? Aug 06 17:23:02 any ideas ? Aug 06 17:23:22 * Anivrom|pre looks at dkirker Aug 06 17:24:03 p/me pokes nyceane Aug 06 17:24:06 Fail Aug 06 17:24:18 * Anivrom|pre pokes nyceane Aug 06 17:24:23 ops8086: Which libraries are you linking against? Aug 06 17:24:43 IMG_Load should be part of the standard SDL distribution. Aug 06 17:24:59 hiya everyone! Aug 06 17:25:28 Dirka! Aug 06 17:28:03 Robdor: i know...but it gives this error Aug 06 17:28:19 i'm using the "simple" sample project on the pdk Aug 06 17:28:40 i copied the project, removed the source files and created a new source file with my code Aug 06 17:28:54 to do some tests...but when i call that function it gives this error Aug 06 17:29:13 haeffb_pre: considering purchasing your app. Does it have more than 3 priority levels? That's my current limitation with tasks atm Aug 06 17:29:39 Robdor: i've these linker flags on the xcode project: -lSDL -lSDLmain -lGLESv2 -lpdl Aug 06 17:29:54 i think it means that i'm including SDL, SDLMain GLESv2 and PDL libraries Aug 06 17:30:11 there are some other static libraries i need to include to use IMG_Load function ? Aug 06 17:30:45 On the linker side -lSDL and -lSDLMain (for mac) should be enough. Aug 06 17:31:39 What does the command your sending to the linker look like? I wonder if the path to the libs is wrong... Aug 06 17:31:52 errr., you're, not your. Aug 06 17:32:00 hi all! Aug 06 17:32:06 'morning JenP! Aug 06 17:32:12 morning dkirker! Aug 06 17:32:12 Bonjour Aug 06 17:32:36 1:32 here Aug 06 17:32:48 hola Anivrom|pre Aug 06 17:33:30 Robdor: just a sec Aug 06 17:33:44 ahashhuzdguhizsdjkgbdfb Aug 06 17:34:04 Robdor: Ld build/Debug/simple.app/Contents/MacOS/simple normal i386 Aug 06 17:34:04 cd /Users/ops8086/Documents/sviluppo/palm/tests/Test2 Aug 06 17:34:05 setenv MACOSX_DEPLOYMENT_TARGET 10.5 Aug 06 17:34:19 wait Aug 06 17:34:23 i've a problem with paste Aug 06 17:35:04 uhm it doesn't let me paste here Aug 06 17:35:39 btw, i there was a problem with library path i think i should get a linker error also for the SDL_Init function Aug 06 17:35:54 instead the SDL standard function compiles and links correctly Aug 06 17:37:20 Hmmm, that's odd... Aug 06 17:37:51 Do you have rake on your system? Aug 06 17:38:04 -lSDL_image Aug 06 17:38:08 rake ? what is it ? Aug 06 17:38:31 Ah, probably not then. Aug 06 17:38:55 WOW -lSDL_image solved the problem! Aug 06 17:38:58 :) Aug 06 17:39:02 Thank you very much! :) Aug 06 17:39:28 egaudet to the rescue? Aug 06 17:39:53 This is why I don't want to get into C Aug 06 17:40:04 I'd // my wrists Aug 06 17:41:07 What!? Done! Is $3.23? So expensive, I can't afford that level of task management. Aug 06 17:41:24 You would comment out your wrists? :) Aug 06 17:41:35 Those guys are scam artists, con men Aug 06 17:41:41 lol Aug 06 17:42:02 C is great Aug 06 17:42:34 Robdor: yea I'd comment my wrists out of my body Aug 06 17:42:47 Anivrom|pre: -e Aug 06 17:42:49 Another question: i have to port an game from iPhone (Objective C using the Cocos2D game library) to Palm webOS through the PDK. Do you think i've to rewrite all from scratch ? because of Objective C is a lot different from C++ and also Cocos2D Library ? Aug 06 17:43:10 wrists are useless, they only get repeat motion injury injuries Aug 06 17:43:20 True enough Aug 06 17:43:29 -1 0 1 2 3 = five levels of priority Aug 06 17:43:35 I see. Aug 06 17:43:41 Cocos2D would need to be ported for the platform. Aug 06 17:43:43 and C is an awesome language of awesomeness Aug 06 17:43:52 Cause sometimes I need 1 level above high Aug 06 17:44:01 and the beta is free in Preware Aug 06 17:44:09 Robdor: what u mean ? Aug 06 17:44:16 Oh snap Aug 06 17:44:22 * Anivrom|pre downloads Aug 06 17:45:00 ops8086: Cocos2D would need to be ported to run on webOS if your game uses that engine. Aug 06 17:45:09 Does it import tasks from the default task app? Aug 06 17:45:25 no - it cannot Aug 06 17:45:34 Awwwwwwwwww Aug 06 17:45:47 the tasks app is a black hole Aug 06 17:45:53 I have a tonne of outstanding tasks that I still need to complete Aug 06 17:46:01 you can't get anything back out Aug 06 17:46:08 Oh Aug 06 17:46:10 Robdor: my game uses Cocos2D only to load and position sprites and images and transition from scenes, i think it's better to rewrite all the game using the SDL istead of rewrite Cocos2D myself, or not ? Aug 06 17:46:17 write a save/restore script that can restore to multiple different task apps ;) Aug 06 17:46:32 also Objective C is incompatible with C++, so i have to rewrite the code, or i'm wrong ? Aug 06 17:46:47 wait, wut? Aug 06 17:46:54 Good idea. Ill wait here while yiu finish that up egaudet Aug 06 17:47:00 haha Aug 06 17:47:19 * egaudet back to work Aug 06 17:47:28 :P Aug 06 17:47:29 does save/restore save to a db? Aug 06 17:47:53 * haeffb_pre needs to look @ save/restore Aug 06 17:48:48 it's accessing the palmdatabase through private methods...? Aug 06 17:50:41 ops8086: I've never seen the internals of Cocos2D, so I don't know how much of it is plain old C and how much of it is Objective-C. Depending on that you could have a little work or a lot of work to do. Aug 06 17:51:06 haeffb_pre: it's using sqlite3 from shell script I believe Aug 06 17:51:21 Depending on what you are doing you may want to go with OpenGL ES instead of SDL. Aug 06 17:51:35 the most boring day ever. Aug 06 17:51:55 no, that was yesterday Aug 06 17:52:17 lol Aug 06 17:52:26 robdor: it's a simple game, it involves statical 2d images on the screen with a bg image (the images are transparent PNGs), and maybe some little animation if possible (some scaling/unscaling animation on sprites for example) Aug 06 17:52:34 so it should be simple to do with SDL Aug 06 17:52:42 gotta be 100 degrees out. Aug 06 17:53:32 One thing to keep in mind is that SDL uses software rendering, so you are sharing your image displaying with the game logic on the cpu. Aug 06 17:53:35 so Anivrom|pre could write a simple app to export tasks data to an ext: db and then could copy to PC and do whatever he wants with his data Aug 06 17:54:20 robdor: even if i pass the option to use OpenGL HW acceleration to SDL initialization ? (if i remember correctly there is some such option) ? Aug 06 17:56:31 There is, but then you need to draw using the OpenGL ES functions instead of the SDL functions. Aug 06 17:57:30 Maybe after I wrap up this game Aug 06 17:58:31 ops8086: I would give it a try with SDL first and see how performance is before moving to OpenGL. You might luck out and not have to deal with ES at all. :) Aug 06 17:59:09 thank you very much :) Aug 06 17:59:55 i used opengl some years ago, but i need to remember how it works because i don't used it for, uhm, i think at least 8 years Aug 06 18:00:13 * sugardave tries to explain border-image to the client. "Yes,those tabs and buttons all use the SAME graphic." Aug 06 18:03:17 ops8086: I was able to get pretty good performance out of SDL running a physics engine and drawing some images. I wasn't doing any matrix transformations like rotating and skewing though. That's where it tends to fall apart. http://github.com/robmerrell/pdk_chipmunk_test Aug 06 18:06:10 sugardave: easier to say "it's magic" Aug 06 18:06:21 Robdor: i see, thank you :) Aug 06 18:06:29 haeffb_pre: I'm almost at hat point Aug 06 18:06:39 s/hat/that/ Aug 06 18:07:01 ah good..."Can I just send you the button I was thinking about?" Aug 06 18:07:04 that's eaier :D Aug 06 18:07:07 easier, too Aug 06 18:07:12 damn, can't type today Aug 06 18:07:22 I predict many bugs Aug 06 18:10:41 Robdor: do you use Xcode to develop on Palm ? i've included a png image in the Xcode project (importing in the Resources group), how i can refer to the file path (when i call for example IMG_Load)? it should be a relative path ? relative to which?) Aug 06 18:10:43 evening Aug 06 18:12:13 ops8086: I actually just use Textmate and build my game from the terminal. The Xcode interface breaks my brain. :) Aug 06 18:12:29 IMG_Load is looking for the image relative to the executable that you are running. Aug 06 18:12:55 Robdor: and what path i've to use to be able to find the image in the device ? Aug 06 18:13:16 LoneStar99: sorry for the long delay, got taken away from my desk (and went to lunch) Aug 06 18:13:38 but i'm pulling the info from my router site, not dd-wrt.com Aug 06 18:13:40 You can just use a path relative to the executable that gets packaged up in the ipk. Aug 06 18:13:45 Robdor: i'm a little confused...because the compiler produces a binary package that contains other files inside (like the usual apple applications bundles) Aug 06 18:14:05 i develop on a mac but i use Komodo Edit for Palm stuff, i <3 Komodo Edit Aug 06 18:15:07 ops8086: The binary package only includes libs that you have statically linked. Images and stuff won't be included in the executable. Aug 06 18:16:27 I usually stick all of my images and sounds inside of an "assets" directory, then I can load them by using "assets/some_image.png". Aug 06 18:16:38 robdor: but in the build directory of xcode i actually have an "Application" package, and if i open it i've all the files inside, images included, like the Apple Applications Aug 06 18:17:12 the binary is this application "bundle" that contains all file inside ? Aug 06 18:18:09 I don't think so. I think that there is probably an executable in that package somewhere. But then again I don't build .app packages so I could be wrong. Aug 06 18:18:11 i still haven't tried to build an ipk, i'm just compiling and running with an emulator, and what i see for now is in the build directory of my project an "Application" bundle that i can open Aug 06 18:19:02 uhm, i see... anyone of you know if there is a tutorial for building an ipk from xcode binary ? so maybe i understand how the binary-thing works with xcode Aug 06 18:21:10 Google it, you never know :P Aug 06 18:23:28 Sugardave: try working with clients on graphic design projects... Its next to impossible to nail their ideal since it changes from week to week. Aug 06 18:24:06 yeah, that's why I let them all know up front that I don't do graphics/design :D Aug 06 18:24:36 I will give them a framework within which they can work their customizations...but if they already have a button, I'll use it :D Aug 06 18:24:39 :P unfortunately that's the purpose of my clients Aug 06 18:25:13 my machine....she is lagging bad Aug 06 18:25:38 Give her a good slap and tell her to smarten up Aug 06 18:25:57 trying not to have to reboot until later Aug 06 18:26:00 Works for my machine. Aug 06 18:26:11 Yea I know that feeling Aug 06 18:27:59 The other day windows was doing some weird graphical stuff when I was in photoshop . I was thinking, I should reboot sometime, turns out windows has a feature that reads your mind and reboots for you. I think the technical term is BSOD Aug 06 18:29:11 isn't that nice of MS? Aug 06 18:29:29 <3 Aug 06 18:29:38 So thoughtful Aug 06 18:29:50 contained that SOB in a VM Aug 06 18:29:54 contain* Aug 06 18:30:23 Lol! Aug 06 18:30:37 I need more RAM Aug 06 18:30:48 I think this goes to 8 Aug 06 18:30:54 I only have 4 Aug 06 18:30:56 :( Aug 06 18:30:56 Yea I used to dual boot from linux to windows Aug 06 18:30:58 sadnes Aug 06 18:31:16 I only have 2.... Aug 06 18:31:42 DDR2........ Aug 06 18:32:18 *cryface Aug 06 18:33:34 My friend wants me to price out then build a TOTL editing computer for him. I wouldn't want to give it back once I built it Aug 06 18:33:49 anyone know where the magic Gimp option is to always create new layers as transparent? Aug 06 18:34:14 Is there one? Aug 06 18:34:48 I don't know... Aug 06 18:35:02 I don't do this stuff :P Aug 06 18:35:06 I used gimp for 2 days and said screw that, I'm going back to photoshop. Aug 06 18:35:16 hi guys .. any one known ... how to catch redirected url in webview? Aug 06 18:35:20 Photoshop is sex Aug 06 18:35:31 raghuk: there should be an event for that Aug 06 18:35:37 check the Widget page on WebView Aug 06 18:35:45 "should" Aug 06 18:36:16 Anyone live in southern ontario here? Aug 06 18:36:32 sugardev: i have tried many ways ... like binding event ... Mojo.Event.webViewUrlRedirect Aug 06 18:36:47 Guys: so what ide/tool it's better to develop with Palm PDK on Mac, possibly in the easyest way (i mean without manually entering pdk commands, compiling, etc...) Aug 06 18:36:55 instead of Xcode Aug 06 18:37:03 what you suggest me to install ? Aug 06 18:37:10 eclipse ? komodo....other ? Aug 06 18:37:13 I used gimp for a week. pain in the butt Aug 06 18:37:20 Yea Aug 06 18:37:26 switched to paint.net... not paying for photoshop/pirating Aug 06 18:37:42 I started in photosop 3.0 and haven't looked baxk since Aug 06 18:38:25 * Anivrom|pre shrugs at typos and blames pre keybo Aug 06 18:44:22 sugardev: http://webos.pastebin.com/ZVz7XrQJ Aug 06 18:44:53 Lol! I like that typo Aug 06 18:44:57 Sugardev Aug 06 18:45:05 Sugardavian sigardev Aug 06 18:45:08 Sugardev? Aug 06 18:45:34 * Tibfib thinks sugardave should change his nick Aug 06 18:45:44 raghuk: something TibFib and I discovered the other night about WebViews Aug 06 18:45:48 in the model Aug 06 18:45:55 you need 'interrogateClicks': tru Aug 06 18:45:58 true Aug 06 18:46:05 to get things like refirects, clicks, etc. Aug 06 18:46:11 they are quirky. Aug 06 18:46:16 * sugardave looks at his fingers. Aug 06 18:46:22 WORK! Aug 06 18:46:53 Interesting Aug 06 18:47:38 sugardave: when i load a url ... the page is just redirect to some other url ... i just need to find out that url Aug 06 18:48:04 raghuk: right, you'll need to go that with one of the listeners...but you need that interrogateClicks model option set to do it Aug 06 18:48:29 sugardave: ooh Aug 06 18:49:24 Interesting choice of names. 'interrogate' instead of maybe eval or examine Aug 06 18:49:31 Sunds pretty hardcoee Aug 06 18:49:34 Core Aug 06 18:49:41 Sounds Aug 06 18:49:42 no one expects the webOS Inquisition! Aug 06 18:50:07 damn, this button sucks Aug 06 18:50:17 Lol Aug 06 18:50:28 Shoulda outsourced yoour gfx Aug 06 18:50:31 Your Aug 06 18:50:36 lol Aug 06 18:50:40 he made full-sized ones and I would much rather just use the same layout Aug 06 18:51:07 yay. Aug 06 18:51:20 * haeffb at 10.( DL, 8.9 UL Aug 06 18:51:24 10.9 Aug 06 18:51:37 now, what should I DL besides pron? Aug 06 18:51:45 Tibfib: been thinking of a moderately cleve logo for profile.... Just aint happenin. Aug 06 18:52:17 Its a tough one Aug 06 18:52:37 Anivrom|pre: yeah it is Aug 06 18:52:46 human head in profile. what's so tough about that? Aug 06 18:52:59 haeffb: already use human for contacts Aug 06 18:53:08 not in profile Aug 06 18:53:09 Oh snap Aug 06 18:53:18 oh. that's true Aug 06 18:53:27 The icon 'for' profile Aug 06 18:53:34 * haeffb not creative, but I'm quite literal Aug 06 18:53:42 profile == profile. duh. Aug 06 18:53:47 haeffb: I imagine the OpenGL manuals are large Aug 06 18:53:53 haeffb: lol Aug 06 18:54:17 library of congress might be big. Aug 06 18:54:33 Contacts = person, you're saying do an actual head for profile? Aug 06 18:54:39 yep Aug 06 18:54:47 turned sideways = profile view Aug 06 18:54:48 Hummm Aug 06 18:55:15 * haeffb running speedtest again, just cuz it's so cool Aug 06 18:55:50 * Anivrom|pre bought radiant today Aug 06 18:55:59 New pdk game Aug 06 18:56:53 I got it too, it's a fun game. Aug 06 18:56:54 I might spend the next week playing http://speedtest.net Aug 06 18:57:06 while I wait for 1.4.5 Aug 06 18:57:07 Lots of new pdk games out now Aug 06 18:57:26 That's one long week Aug 06 18:57:53 * Tibfib got crusade of destiny :) Aug 06 18:57:59 Prolly gonna feel more like ... Maybe.. Forever? Aug 06 18:58:14 Tibfib: How do you like it? I've considered getting it. Aug 06 18:58:39 good game. crashes tooo much Aug 06 18:58:55 * Anivrom|pre 's bladder is gonna explode in 3...2...1... Aug 06 18:59:06 sugardave: Mojo.Event.webViewTitleUrlChanged .. did the trick ... without interrogateClicks enabled Aug 06 18:59:22 Anivrom|pre or Tibfib: can you test an app for me...? I need to see if it works in 1.4.5 and not 1.4.1 Aug 06 18:59:34 haeffb: sure Aug 06 18:59:36 send it over Aug 06 18:59:47 Ok, I will shortly. Aug 06 18:59:48 thanks Aug 06 19:00:04 Sure. Aug 06 19:02:31 raghuk: ah, good Aug 06 19:06:22 sugardave: can i read contents of the page? Aug 06 19:07:03 raghuk: I don't think so Aug 06 19:07:31 sugardave: hmmm Aug 06 19:12:51 * Anivrom|pre 's code magically works now wen it was bugged earlier O_o I know this bug is gonna surface again Aug 06 19:13:58 sugardave: to clear cookies .. can i say this.controller.get("showWebpage").mojo.clearCookies() ? Aug 06 19:14:49 magic bugs are cool. Aug 06 19:15:03 Indeed Aug 06 19:15:06 stoopid installer unplugged my internet so he could test. Aug 06 19:15:17 Lol Aug 06 19:15:18 raghuk: not sure, I haven't done a whole lot with webview but figure out how to load and find a redirect (for oauth) and then I just dp all my stuff in Ajax Aug 06 19:15:30 how 'bout a knock on the door, buddy? Aug 06 19:15:37 magic bugs come from magic beans Aug 06 19:15:47 .... Aug 06 19:16:40 Tibfib: email sent. Aug 06 19:16:44 Anivrom|pre: too slow. Aug 06 19:16:58 That's ok Aug 06 19:17:08 it's not very exciting yet, anyway Aug 06 19:17:12 how's Done? Aug 06 19:17:37 I was gonna send you a beta of my mystery game tonight, oh well Aug 06 19:17:48 * haeffb sobs Aug 06 19:18:10 Anivrom|pre: but you're sending me one right????? Aug 06 19:18:11 so, about 6% of July sales in Europe Aug 06 19:18:13 I haven't bought it, debating whether I should just take a night off and build my own quickly Aug 06 19:18:22 hah. done! is awesome Aug 06 19:18:30 Lol. In a couple weeks :P Aug 06 19:18:54 haeffb: one thing, I'd like a section on the help page about custom lists Aug 06 19:19:04 Tibfib: me too. Aug 06 19:19:12 heh, good Aug 06 19:19:30 help hasn't been updated since the initial app catalog release... Aug 06 19:19:30 * haeffb bad Aug 06 19:19:38 haeffbslap Aug 06 19:21:58 Dramatic exit anyone? Aug 06 19:22:14 'Ctladvance: yes please' Aug 06 19:22:56 haeffb: what's the app? Aug 06 19:23:11 the new one? it's still sekrit Aug 06 19:23:19 it's a notes app Aug 06 19:23:24 Oh I see. Aug 06 19:23:35 for taking notes, & stuff Aug 06 19:23:35 Like scratchpad? Aug 06 19:23:43 yeah, but not nearly as cool. Aug 06 19:23:47 I use scratchpad atm Aug 06 19:23:50 except cooler Aug 06 19:23:50 Lol! Aug 06 19:24:06 But in a not so cool way Aug 06 19:24:22 But much cooler than that Aug 06 19:24:28 precisely Aug 06 19:24:32 Nice. Aug 06 19:24:47 Starts savin coffee change for app Aug 06 19:26:35 gooodness the pre boots slow Aug 06 19:27:26 haeffb: stuff appeared Aug 06 19:28:22 Turns out the jokes on you tubfib, the app restarts your pre and loads on bootup:hahahahahahaha Aug 06 19:28:35 Tibfib too, jokes on both of you Aug 06 19:28:46 that wouldn't surprise me Aug 06 19:29:13 haeffb is a tricky one Aug 06 19:29:22 Mhmmmm Aug 06 19:29:27 well, shit Aug 06 19:29:29 but good. Aug 06 19:29:47 something wrong with 1.4.1 or my pre. Aug 06 19:30:02 haeffb: works on my 1.4.1 emu Aug 06 19:30:26 works on my 1.4.5 emu but not on pre Aug 06 19:30:37 it takes a little to load but it works... Aug 06 19:31:07 yeah, it's pulling the data from the cloud Aug 06 19:31:12 Let me test it. I have a slightly more uber version of 1.4.5. Aug 06 19:31:14 & there's no progressupdate Aug 06 19:31:45 * Anivrom|pre is desperately trying to get a hold of the app Aug 06 19:32:50 nothing to see here. move along. Aug 06 19:34:01 * haeffb wonders what's different about my pre...? Aug 06 19:35:19 sugardave: you up? Aug 06 19:35:26 for most things Aug 06 19:35:38 you have 1.4.1 on pre? Aug 06 19:35:42 yes, I do Aug 06 19:35:47 As long as it doesn't involve saigon hookers Aug 06 19:35:47 want to test? Aug 06 19:35:57 shore Aug 06 19:35:57 it'll make Anivrom|pre jealous if you do Aug 06 19:36:04 Haha Aug 06 19:36:05 bonus Aug 06 19:36:23 That's like an automatic yes Aug 06 19:36:45 Sugardave is my arch nemesis. Aug 06 19:37:03 Dekan: sugardave is my arch-nemesis Aug 06 19:37:04 Okay, Anivrom|pre. Aug 06 19:37:04 rawr Aug 06 19:37:05 no, he's MY nemesis Aug 06 19:37:14 Stupid bo Aug 06 19:37:15 T Aug 06 19:37:15 the most hated man in chat Aug 06 19:37:20 you got mail Aug 06 19:37:53 and please kids, don't take this code apart and try to learn from it. it's completely full of half-finished things Aug 06 19:38:04 Dekan: sugardave Aug 06 19:38:05 sugardave is my arch-nemesis Aug 06 19:38:11 Hahhaha Aug 06 19:38:13 lol Aug 06 19:38:19 scoobysnack Aug 06 19:38:20 Scoobydoobeedoo! Aug 06 19:39:46 okay...I saw 'this is a not', 'e', 'this is a not', 'e' and now I have a blank screen with a + and refresh Aug 06 19:40:14 haeffb: what should I be able to do? Aug 06 19:40:15 Nice one haeffb, you got 2 suckers with you reboot app Aug 06 19:40:41 hit refresh Aug 06 19:40:46 wait a few secs Aug 06 19:40:46 oh, hit + two times and stuff appears :D Aug 06 19:40:47 hit + Aug 06 19:41:01 now it's working on my pre after a reboot. Aug 06 19:41:06 WEIRD Aug 06 19:41:15 Ok, back to coding. Thanks fellas. Aug 06 19:41:26 * Anivrom|pre smells a magic bug coming on Aug 06 19:41:29 yeah, I have your notes now Aug 06 19:41:29 that app was SOOO AWESOME Aug 06 19:41:46 Yeah. I have to go change my pword now before you guys steal my account Aug 06 19:41:51 haha Aug 06 19:41:54 Lol Aug 06 19:42:02 Oops Aug 06 19:42:05 heh Aug 06 19:42:16 I'll let it slide...THIS time Aug 06 19:42:23 and call Todd Miller and tell him he's a loser. Aug 06 19:42:47 or eric :) Aug 06 19:42:55 yeah, he's a loser too Aug 06 19:43:42 Anyone listened to that rahul podcast? Aug 06 19:43:43 * haeffb wonders why I didn't try rebooting yesterday Aug 06 19:43:56 * haeffb waiting for cliff's notes version Aug 06 19:43:57 Anivrom|pre: listening now Aug 06 19:44:15 Oh, is it good? Aug 06 19:44:29 it's interesting... I'm coding while doing it Aug 06 19:44:43 Does anyone speak fluent German? x) Aug 06 19:44:59 swisstomcat and MetaView do Aug 06 19:45:00 some people do Aug 06 19:45:03 ...but they aren't here Aug 06 19:45:23 Yar. Ok thanks anyway Aug 06 19:45:35 Np Aug 06 19:45:53 Anivrom|pre: you didn't even say anything Aug 06 19:46:11 Swisstomcat is usually on early in the morning relative to est time Aug 06 19:46:34 I thought alot of things though Aug 06 19:46:37 he gets on at 2 am central time Aug 06 19:46:41 typically Aug 06 19:47:00 yarg. now it's not working again. Aug 06 19:47:12 Weird Aug 06 19:59:00 way to waste 15 minutes by not changing the hard-coded pword in the app. Aug 06 20:00:09 lol Aug 06 20:01:08 btw, it's working again... :) Aug 06 20:05:57 * Anivrom|pre needs to think up a exponential probability randomization algorithm.... Hmmmmm Aug 06 20:07:22 So in tweed, is their drawer in a submenu a custom thing? Aug 06 20:08:54 like when you open a user? Aug 06 20:09:44 when you click on a tweet Aug 06 20:11:00 * Tibfib will just check internalz Aug 06 20:11:57 Heh. I hate sifting through source code trying to figure out how someone did something Aug 06 20:12:20 ditto Aug 06 20:12:34 i love doing that if its straight forward =) Aug 06 20:12:36 yeah it might not be worth it Aug 06 20:13:20 Nyceane: right but if their code is anything like mine... Forget it Aug 06 20:13:31 I can't even figure out my code sometimes Aug 06 20:14:19 come on, JenP! You figured out my db helper stuff :D Aug 06 20:14:25 I hae a bad habit of getting lazy with the comments Aug 06 20:14:31 my life consists entirely of sifting through source code :P Aug 06 20:14:38 Lol Aug 06 20:14:42 Sugardave: LOL no i didn't you had to coach me through it all Aug 06 20:14:43 pfft, no way I can figure it out..not with internalz anyway Aug 06 20:14:50 * dkirker sniffs the source code Aug 06 20:15:40 HAH Aug 06 20:15:42 it's easy Aug 06 20:15:51 just nest an items:[] inside an item Aug 06 20:15:58 saweet Aug 06 20:16:15 To do what now? Aug 06 20:16:26 Donwloadin tweed now Aug 06 20:16:35 make popup submenus items have drawers Aug 06 20:16:53 * Tibfib didn't find it on tweed Aug 06 20:18:18 this just opened a world of possibility Aug 06 20:18:46 Oh I see Aug 06 20:19:03 You talking about in the app menu itself? Aug 06 20:19:13 nope. when you click on a tweet Aug 06 20:19:18 the retweet option is a drawer Aug 06 20:19:22 Oh ok Aug 06 20:21:40 * haeffb doesn't understand CSS Aug 06 20:22:00 and the order in which styles are applied Aug 06 20:22:06 Only a select few do Aug 06 20:22:09 +1 Aug 06 20:22:18 dekan, css is terrible Aug 06 20:22:18 Okay, Tibfib. Aug 06 20:22:41 css is fun! Aug 06 20:22:50 dekan, css is fun! Aug 06 20:22:50 Okay, Tibfib. Aug 06 20:22:54 dekan, css Aug 06 20:22:55 fun! Aug 06 20:22:58 dekan, css Aug 06 20:22:59 fun! Aug 06 20:23:14 dekan, literal css Aug 06 20:23:15 css is terrible| fun! Aug 06 20:23:20 dekan, css Aug 06 20:23:20 fun! Aug 06 20:23:23 dekan, css Aug 06 20:23:24 fun! Aug 06 20:23:31 botsmack Aug 06 20:23:31 * dekan cowers Aug 06 20:23:38 * Tibfib goes back to coding Aug 06 20:23:59 I can't seem to make dekan do replies/actions Aug 06 20:24:33 what does the > do in CSS? Aug 06 20:25:16 I don't know...got an example? Aug 06 20:26:48 I'm trying to override palm-body-text and palm-body-title in a list row Aug 06 20:27:11 dekan: foo is bar Aug 06 20:27:12 Okay, maik. Aug 06 20:27:14 dekan: foo Aug 06 20:27:15 * dekan bar Aug 06 20:27:19 dekan: forget that Aug 06 20:27:19 Okay, maik, forgot that foo bar Aug 06 20:27:22 QED Aug 06 20:27:22 maik: thanks Aug 06 20:27:24 :D Aug 06 20:27:29 I think I tried this before Aug 06 20:28:00 I get 'I cannot access that data.' Aug 06 20:28:33 haeffb: and .palm-body-text isn't working? Aug 06 20:28:33 try again Aug 06 20:28:46 1000 apoligies Aug 06 20:28:52 http://www.pastie.org/1080347 Aug 06 20:29:09 maik: does it not work from /msg? Aug 06 20:29:20 my changes to font-size work, but margin does not Aug 06 20:29:23 ya, it should work just the same Aug 06 20:29:34 dekan: naplunch is dims the lights and fluffs the pillows. Aug 06 20:29:34 Okay, sugardave. Aug 06 20:29:40 does work here Aug 06 20:29:43 does not work in msg Aug 06 20:29:44 because the palm-row-wrapper > palm-body-title apparently takes preference Aug 06 20:29:45 interesting Aug 06 20:29:54 naplunch Aug 06 20:29:54 * dekan dims the lights and fluffs the pillows. Aug 06 20:30:29 margin is in palm-row-wrapper > palm-body-title Aug 06 20:30:40 font-size is in palm-body-title Aug 06 20:31:21 haeffb: try this: .palm-row-wrapper.note-title {//overrides} Aug 06 20:31:51 and if that doesn't work, put a space between the class names Aug 06 20:31:56 and try that Aug 06 20:32:00 yeah, I think you need a space Aug 06 20:32:23 I haven't quite nailed when you append them versus when you space them Aug 06 20:32:51 if the class is in the same element, no space... I think Aug 06 20:32:53 yes, but... if I have a style for a div inside the palm-row-wrapper div, shouldn't I be able to overide any of the wrappers styles? Aug 06 20:33:25 you should...unless their styles are applied after yours Aug 06 20:33:27 oh Aug 06 20:33:30 try !important Aug 06 20:33:36 in your class style Aug 06 20:33:54 oh Aug 06 20:33:55 heh Aug 06 20:33:58 it's there already Aug 06 20:34:40 haeffb: not sure about this, but maybe order of class names is important Aug 06 20:34:52 put class note-title after truncating-text Aug 06 20:34:56 looking at inspector, palm-body-text is applied, then note-title, then palm-row-wrapper > palm-body-title Aug 06 20:34:58 and see what happens Aug 06 20:35:40 :O Aug 06 20:35:58 http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/06/hp-ceo-mark-hurd-resigns-over-sexual-harassment-investigation/ Aug 06 20:36:07 ruh-eoh Aug 06 20:36:37 yeah Aug 06 20:36:58 crap. delays 1.4.5 by another month Aug 06 20:37:05 no kidding Aug 06 20:37:11 Tibfib: I just saw the tweet for that... :| Aug 06 20:37:39 3:32PM Next question (from us!): Will Jon Rubinstein be considered for the CEO position? HP: We're not identifying any candidates at this time. Aug 06 20:37:45 ah, the paperwork, they always get you with paperwork Aug 06 20:37:52 that would be major win Aug 06 20:38:33 That would be pretty awesome. Aug 06 20:38:43 lol and palm just tweeted "Fantastic!" randomly Aug 06 20:39:17 haha Aug 06 20:39:56 Lol Aug 06 20:40:01 Good stuff Aug 06 20:41:30 isn't he rich enough to not have the company pay for whatever he got her? Aug 06 20:41:40 come on Aug 06 20:41:47 define "rich enough" Aug 06 20:41:56 CEO of HP Aug 06 20:42:01 im sure he makes quite a bit Aug 06 20:42:02 lol Aug 06 20:42:25 maybe Mark's definition is different Aug 06 20:42:41 lol Aug 06 20:42:51 grrr... stylematters has exactly what I want...but won't give up its secrets without a fight. Aug 06 20:43:13 the stylematters code is so fragmented Aug 06 20:43:16 DIE PHPMYADMIN DIE Aug 06 20:43:27 lol Aug 06 20:44:34 hey, haven't seen JenP around in a while Aug 06 20:44:45 hi oilsworkn! Aug 06 20:45:05 I'll be back around more after Aug 25 Aug 06 20:45:09 I don't know where its getting this page from.... its vhost is dead..... why is this doing this to me! Aug 06 20:45:10 * Anivrom|pre is filling his buglist and preparing for an action packed night of minimal irc, 'maximal' programming accomplishments Aug 06 20:45:22 good luck Aug 06 20:45:24 oilsworkn: yes, but inspector reveals all! Aug 06 20:45:29 haah, don't set your expectations so high Aug 06 20:45:29 irc will draw you in Aug 06 20:45:36 No kidding, Aug 06 20:45:40 irc will destroy you Aug 06 20:45:53 * oilsworkn will be drunk and mention Anivrom|pre in every message Aug 06 20:46:00 irc will be blowing up Aug 06 20:46:02 giggles... Aug 06 20:46:08 how is that any different than normal oil Aug 06 20:46:11 Anivrom|pre: yeah, good luck Aug 06 20:46:32 Dekan: irc is a devs arch-nemesis Aug 06 20:46:33 Okay, Anivrom|pre. Aug 06 20:46:39 Irc Aug 06 20:46:47 its pretty different from normal Aug 06 20:46:48 Dekan: irc Aug 06 20:46:48 irc is a devs arch-nemesis Aug 06 20:46:57 dekan: inventory Aug 06 20:46:57 * dekan contains a towel, a big stick, a tactical low yield nuclear weapon, a star trek stun phaser, a condom, a knife, a flower, a bigger knife, a pair of Maui Jim Sunglasses, a steamy pile of poop, 1.4.5 sprint doctor, The Sugardavian Guide to 'Stupid Mojo Tricks', maik, dekan, a shiney new HP Palm C40, and a bullet proof vest. Aug 06 20:47:08 hahaha Aug 06 20:47:08 Dangit Aug 06 20:47:14 * haeffb will shoot dekan for the C40 Aug 06 20:47:21 good thing he's well-armed Aug 06 20:47:22 ok, what does this page display for peeps: http://greenlightsoftware.info/ Aug 06 20:47:24 haeffb: too late, he's got the vest Aug 06 20:47:43 Does that list get cut off for yoy guys? Aug 06 20:47:46 "This page is used to test the proper operation of the Cherokee Web Server after it has been installed." Aug 06 20:47:48 maybe I can trade him more poop for the C40... Aug 06 20:47:51 omg Aug 06 20:47:54 halfhalo_class: cherokee test page Aug 06 20:48:00 it doesn't for me Aug 06 20:48:00 I hope the C40 comes with a 3800 mah battery Aug 06 20:48:12 for marathon partying Aug 06 20:48:16 Sugardave: is your book visible in that list? Aug 06 20:48:17 i hope the C40 comes Aug 06 20:48:18 ... Aug 06 20:48:21 out Aug 06 20:48:24 Something is caching the damn page Aug 06 20:48:40 Anivrom|pre: yeah, that's why I was laughing Aug 06 20:48:42 well if it has the 3800mah battery it technically came out already :D? Aug 06 20:49:35 class='palm-row multi-line' was the key for me Aug 06 20:49:43 Gay, Aug 06 20:49:48 Good to know Aug 06 20:50:05 haeffb: ah, tricky Aug 06 20:50:23 I'm trying to just stick with the built-in CSS for this app Aug 06 20:51:58 I do not understand why I keep getting [Object Object] in my menu...grrr Aug 06 20:52:53 JenP: because its an object :) Aug 06 20:52:58 not a string Aug 06 20:53:16 lol yes but i want it to go away...stupid objects Aug 06 20:53:22 oh.... my... god.... Aug 06 20:53:55 * oilsworkn wishes todays shirt.woot hadn't sold out before he woke up Aug 06 20:53:59 it was missing a / Aug 06 20:54:28 ......aww Aug 06 20:55:00 Happens to the best of us. Aug 06 20:55:27 * oilsworkn just noticed its sugar...dev Aug 06 20:55:30 it seem kinda warm in here to anyone else? Aug 06 20:55:44 * haeffb wonders if my AC is working Aug 06 20:55:50 * halfhalo_class is freezing Aug 06 20:55:57 tie the little strings on the grate Aug 06 20:56:05 to give you a visual cue of airflow Aug 06 20:56:20 it's working, just set on 78 Aug 06 20:56:43 Even to me on occasion.. I know I know, you're thinking " you? But you're the straight mojo master" I quite get it myself. Must be the frameworks fault Aug 06 20:57:10 I don't quite either Aug 06 20:57:39 * oilsworkn just blames the service Aug 06 21:01:20 * oilsworkn opens updates app for shits and giggles Aug 06 21:01:29 lol Aug 06 21:01:52 its slowly becoming alive! Aug 06 21:02:44 db migration time! Aug 06 21:03:43 gah, application updates! Aug 06 21:04:08 * oilsworkn makes patch for updates app to make it always skip the apps check Aug 06 21:04:28 lol Aug 06 21:05:24 * oilsworkn is now sad that his phone is " Aug 06 21:05:29 "up to date" Aug 06 21:05:40 haha Aug 06 21:07:26 oh, a preware screenshot made it into the wikipedia webos page Aug 06 21:07:43 hmmm Aug 06 21:07:53 * sugardave senses the presence of evil Canadians. Aug 06 21:08:01 in palm-dark no less Aug 06 21:08:01 lol Aug 06 21:08:02 lol Aug 06 21:08:38 * sugardev senses it too Aug 06 21:08:41 I can feel their beady little eyes searching around Aug 06 21:08:48 shit, i just fell asleep at my desk Aug 06 21:08:58 this no caffeine thing is not turning out so well Aug 06 21:09:01 time to compensate with sugar Aug 06 21:09:09 what about water Aug 06 21:09:10 * sugardev senses it all around him Aug 06 21:09:14 and exercise Aug 06 21:09:15 i have water Aug 06 21:09:17 it's not keeping me awake Aug 06 21:09:24 oatz n squatz boy Aug 06 21:09:28 i can't excercise while i'm working Aug 06 21:09:30 wut Aug 06 21:09:38 exercise IS working Aug 06 21:09:40 WORK IT OUT Aug 06 21:10:42 maik: next week will be better Aug 06 21:10:53 i hope so Aug 06 21:11:05 I'm about a week ahead of you Aug 06 21:11:25 coffee addiction? Aug 06 21:11:42 no caffeine for 2 weeks Aug 06 21:11:45 mtn dew Aug 06 21:11:48 mostly Aug 06 21:12:03 there is people at work who are like zombies before they get their coffee Aug 06 21:12:06 hands shaking and shit Aug 06 21:12:08 lol Aug 06 21:12:15 i've certainly noticed i seem to be more subdued now Aug 06 21:12:24 shouldn't the hand shaking happen after taking the stimulant :o Aug 06 21:12:30 and possibly heightened awareness. though i feel more socially awkward Aug 06 21:12:34 wish decaf wasn't so lame Aug 06 21:12:49 I just like coffee Aug 06 21:12:57 you THINK you just like coffee Aug 06 21:13:11 DUN DUN Aug 06 21:13:14 its an addiction! Aug 06 21:13:18 I'm a caffeine addict Aug 06 21:13:25 I am that guy on the commercial Aug 06 21:13:29 what commercial Aug 06 21:13:42 the "this is your brain on drugs" guy? Aug 06 21:13:43 that guy who is miserable and blows everyone off until he has his morning coffee lol Aug 06 21:13:55 lol Aug 06 21:14:15 one day the coffee machine was broken Aug 06 21:14:19 there was almost a riot Aug 06 21:14:27 lol Aug 06 21:15:22 brb, going to refill water and get fruit snacks Aug 06 21:17:03 hi guys .. anyone known how to read cookies from webview widget? Aug 06 21:17:09 can you? Aug 06 21:18:16 "sugardev [~wicer@206.47.201.123] has quit [Quit: false]" lol Aug 06 21:18:32 definite bug there Aug 06 21:19:24 I've been trying to tell you that Aug 06 21:19:33 oilsworkn: look, another wicer Aug 06 21:19:34 :P Aug 06 21:19:39 not trying hard enough! Aug 06 21:19:42 lol Aug 06 21:21:08 i have login page from web view i need to read and set cookies for next set of ajax calls ... any solution? Aug 06 21:22:48 sugardave: what did you have in the quit message in prefs? Aug 06 21:23:51 stupid filter list Aug 06 21:23:57 raghuk: no clue Aug 06 21:24:42 well that's fun. i just bought something for $1.50 out of the vending machine. after putting in $2.00 i got $1.40 back Aug 06 21:24:57 yay Aug 06 21:25:01 oilsworkn: ooh ... can't read cookies from web view? Aug 06 21:25:02 score! Aug 06 21:25:07 oilsworkn: that wasn't me :P Aug 06 21:25:07 totally Aug 06 21:25:10 it was anivrom Aug 06 21:25:12 raghuk: not that ive seen, but ive never looked Aug 06 21:25:15 "sugardev" Aug 06 21:25:15 so in the name of science i tried it again Aug 06 21:25:20 and wouldn't you know, it worked Aug 06 21:25:22 * oilsworkn thought it was you Aug 06 21:25:34 * maik thought it was maik Aug 06 21:25:39 oilsworkn: but my "bug" is a typo...it says 'wicer' instead of 'wircer' Aug 06 21:26:06 * oilsworkn was pointing out "quit: false" Aug 06 21:26:12 ah, I see now Aug 06 21:26:18 but that wasn't me :D Aug 06 21:26:43 lies Aug 06 21:27:35 raghuk: I don't think you can read cookies sent to a webview Aug 06 21:27:43 oilsworkn: can i read contents of webview page? Aug 06 21:27:44 * oilsworkn spies the bug http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/wIRC.git;a=blob;f=app/models/server.js;h=435d3eda05ebce1edb2f4fd36759fee2fd8ad00b;hb=HEAD#l403 Aug 06 21:27:55 raghuk: ive never used a webview widget Aug 06 21:28:02 so i dont know anything about it Aug 06 21:28:05 raghuk: you cannot Aug 06 21:28:20 well, there's one thing I haven't tried Aug 06 21:28:28 filterlist has a .open() method to show the filterfield Aug 06 21:28:36 silly oil Aug 06 21:28:41 sugardave: no way to get cookies from webview ? Aug 06 21:28:48 setting up an Ajax.Responder and seeing if the webview requests are picked up that way Aug 06 21:28:51 raghuk: no Aug 06 21:28:55 * oilsworkn blames that typo on.... puffy! Aug 06 21:28:58 I want it always open, so put listWidget.mojo.open() in the filter function Aug 06 21:29:13 works great the first time the list is opened - the list moves down below the filter field. Aug 06 21:29:24 type in the filter field, then erase.... Aug 06 21:29:32 the list hides under the filter field. Aug 06 21:29:51 raghuk: if you need the cookies, why not have them log in with your app instead of a webview? Aug 06 21:30:20 * oilsworkn has a feeling hes trying to scrape something which requires authentication Aug 06 21:30:40 sugardave: i have different users who do not have web service .. they only have web page authentication ... Aug 06 21:30:45 if I add a spacer, then it shows too much space between the filter & the list Aug 06 21:31:22 you need a half-spacer! Aug 06 21:31:41 sugardave: once authenticated ... users can use the app .. and that's the idea Aug 06 21:31:46 raghuk: but you can use your app to do web page auth...regular old Ajax Aug 06 21:32:57 maik, I need to take a weekend off... Aug 06 21:33:19 haeffb: you're in luck, there's one right around the corner Aug 06 21:34:01 sugardave: i didn't get you ... can u explain? Aug 06 21:35:05 raghuk: you can write javascript to handle an entire login to external web page Aug 06 21:35:30 so, have the users enter their web credentials in the app, use ajax to log them in to the server, get the cookies, etc. Aug 06 21:36:44 sugardave: but here i c ... 1 prob ... diff users have diff login forms in there web page ... so it's difficult to get correct details ... Aug 06 21:37:05 what does your app do? Aug 06 21:37:25 wordpress? Aug 06 21:37:38 (or something similar) Aug 06 21:39:45 sugardave: i need to authenticate users from diff websites ... if they login successfully .. then they can use the app Aug 06 21:40:33 this sounds vague Aug 06 21:41:41 sugardave: so i have no control over webpages ... once authenication is done ... i can read cookies and allow user to use app Aug 06 21:42:02 just here to cheer on me ordering a palm pre (sadly they still aren't available in my own country). I'll most likely be devving on it in the near future Aug 06 21:42:23 so Aug 06 21:42:28 websites on the internets Aug 06 21:42:30 all different Aug 06 21:42:38 I was wondering about the maps app, will I have to get my own maps widget if I want to overlay an image over it? (I'm thinking of a weather app) Aug 06 21:42:40 raghuk: okay, I think I'm confused....first question...how does the user know what servers they can log in to use your app? Aug 06 21:42:58 second question, what does the app let them do after they log in? Aug 06 21:43:05 magical things, obviously Aug 06 21:43:19 don't give away IP secrets, a general idea is fine Aug 06 21:43:26 sugardave: I joined too late, but perhaps something like OpenID? Aug 06 21:43:34 it sounds oauth-like Aug 06 21:43:37 sugardave: when users search something .. i can point to a server .. which is predefined Aug 06 21:43:44 We need a php based auth system for webos apps Aug 06 21:43:55 or rails based Aug 06 21:43:58 or any based Aug 06 21:44:03 halfhalo_class: what the hell are you talking about? Aug 06 21:44:05 just one that is easy to set up and use for people Aug 06 21:44:09 I DONT KNOW MAN Aug 06 21:44:12 ITS THE DRAGNS Aug 06 21:44:12 LoL Aug 06 21:44:21 madnificent: I know VERY little about oauth, and nothing about openid :D Aug 06 21:44:30 halfhalo_class: in the latter case: add OpenID support to webos, and boom... you're done Aug 06 21:44:39 madnificent: Ares has a map widget Aug 06 21:44:50 raghuk: so, you maintain a list of servers that they can log into Aug 06 21:44:52 halfhalo_class: I think it shouldn't be too hard Aug 06 21:45:00 map widget not usable outside ares? Aug 06 21:45:09 Yeah, I though about that, but I need a login/auth system with different permissions and custom values. Its not hard at all, just takes time Aug 06 21:45:17 sugardave: yes Aug 06 21:45:34 dunno. you might be able to steal if from Ares Aug 06 21:45:37 and so, you know then what their login forms look like Aug 06 21:45:48 haeffb: I know it does, but I'm wondering if I can overlay an image over that... Can I merge that widget within my own card (don't know the terminology yet)? Or will it create a new card with the options which I provided (as the API specifies)? Aug 06 21:45:54 you can maintain properties along with your list of servers that describes those forms Aug 06 21:46:05 and provide the correct widgets to gather that info Aug 06 21:46:16 send ajax, etc Aug 06 21:46:21 madnificent: no idea. haven't used it Aug 06 21:46:35 haeffb: thanks anyways Aug 06 21:46:59 sure. If you want no info about anything else, feel free to ask me! :) Aug 06 21:47:19 haeffb: you tried to help me! That's all I can hope for :P Aug 06 21:47:20 madnificent: I also don't know anything about Ares, but I imagine the map widget is embeddable in whatever div you want in a scene Aug 06 21:47:24 whats the answer to life, the universe, and everything? Aug 06 21:47:32 43! Aug 06 21:47:36 lol Aug 06 21:47:37 6x9! Aug 06 21:47:39 rounding problems? Aug 06 21:47:44 oilsworkn: mind you, oilsworkn might be a bit off Aug 06 21:47:48 sugardave: i have server login urls only ... i have no control over webpage ... Aug 06 21:47:48 <_azdak> hey all Aug 06 21:48:11 bcoz at any point of time these login pages may change Aug 06 21:48:13 raghuk: seriously look at OpenID / Oauth Aug 06 21:48:24 raghuk: well, you're screwed Aug 06 21:48:50 <_azdak> so- onload() doesn't work with audio objects, huh? Aug 06 21:49:05 raghuk: you could hope that they use "standard" form names like username and password Aug 06 21:49:15 and try to glean it from the response somehow Aug 06 21:49:47 hey, a wicer! Aug 06 21:49:51 xD Aug 06 21:49:55 haha Aug 06 21:49:55 FUUUUUUUUU Aug 06 21:50:16 sugardave: :) ... i hope so .. but it's not the case in real scenario Aug 06 21:50:24 Woot Aug 06 21:50:25 so Aug 06 21:50:35 if the login page and whatever changes on a whim Aug 06 21:50:45 whatever is the app to do if anything else with the page changes Aug 06 21:50:46 * oilsworkn is very lost Aug 06 21:50:55 * halfhalo_class is now making a php based auth system that does json Aug 06 21:51:08 halfhalo_class: welcome to last year Aug 06 21:51:11 :P Aug 06 21:51:16 ok the object it can't find is the app menu's default Edit item... Aug 06 21:51:23 lol Aug 06 21:51:44 it does ldap. /win Aug 06 21:52:03 ah, damn Aug 06 21:52:24 * Anivrom|pre googles idap Aug 06 21:52:31 that's an L Aug 06 21:52:33 LDAP Aug 06 21:52:39 JenP: his.menuModel = { visible: true, items: [ Mojo.Menu.editItem, ...] } ? Aug 06 21:52:43 lightweight directory access protocol Aug 06 21:52:44 * Anivrom|pre googles ldap Aug 06 21:52:55 yup got that oilsworkn Aug 06 21:53:03 that works for wirc :/ Aug 06 21:53:12 Anivrom|pre: idap is made by apple... Aug 06 21:53:22 lol Aug 06 21:53:26 Ew Aug 06 21:53:35 * Anivrom|pre washes fingers Aug 06 21:54:12 halfhalo_class: why not node.js? Aug 06 21:54:16 its an amazing protocol Aug 06 21:54:21 and we know you're all going to love it Aug 06 21:54:28 it's lightweight Aug 06 21:54:35 see? it's in the name Aug 06 21:54:53 more wirc! Aug 06 21:55:04 I may do a node version, but I can do it much faster in php initially Aug 06 21:55:09 bot? Aug 06 21:55:22 dekan: bot Aug 06 21:55:22 That is not bananas Aug 06 21:55:25 more wirc! Aug 06 21:55:31 The wiki is massive. Screw that Aug 06 21:56:03 Anivrom|pre: thats illegal in most countries Aug 06 21:56:31 The screwing part?, Aug 06 21:56:35 yeah Aug 06 21:56:37 oh man, I wonder who is going to write the first tele-dildonics app for webOS? Aug 06 21:56:54 tele-dildonics app? Aug 06 21:56:57 sounds... dirty... Aug 06 21:57:32 Its a sugardavian term to which you don't want to know the definition Aug 06 21:57:33 dekan: teledildonics is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teledildonics Aug 06 21:57:33 Okay, sugardave. Aug 06 21:58:08 ah, so it IS exactly what i thought it was Aug 06 21:58:18 I wonder if that would violate the app submission guidelines Aug 06 21:58:29 i hope so Aug 06 21:58:40 * madnificent forgot php existed Aug 06 21:58:48 lol Aug 06 21:59:30 sugardave: it gives a whole new meaning to phone-sex Aug 06 21:59:30 * Anivrom|pre tries to recall whether pocket party is hb or official Aug 06 21:59:56 oilsworkn: no doubt...I see they have also branched into bluetooth controlled Aug 06 22:00:09 er control via bt Aug 06 22:02:32 oilsworkn: do you know about the bug that erases the users list in wirc when you get dc'ed and reconnect without fully closing the app? Aug 06 22:02:32 No, but if you hum a few bars I can fake it Aug 06 22:02:51 Dekan: shut up I wasn't ralking to you Aug 06 22:02:51 Unhand me, defiler! Aug 06 22:02:56 yeah Aug 06 22:02:59 Dekan: shut up Aug 06 22:02:59 Okay, Anivrom|pre - be back in a bit! Aug 06 22:03:57 http://git.webos-internals.org/trac/wIRC/ticket/86 Aug 06 22:04:26 didn't I give you a patch for that already Aug 06 22:04:47 I do believe I did Aug 06 22:04:53 damn... one small surface blit slows my main loop down so much Aug 06 22:05:02 And another one that fixed a bug that patch made Aug 06 22:05:11 Hah Aug 06 22:05:11 oh Aug 06 22:05:17 was that the one i told you to pm to oil? Aug 06 22:05:25 yeah, i haven't pushed that yet Aug 06 22:05:39 I guess it's time to pretend to be a graphics person Aug 06 22:05:49 Heh Aug 06 22:05:55 you pushed the one that fixed that issue, but not the other that fixed a double message issie on join and quits Aug 06 22:06:26 * oilsworkn is lost Aug 06 22:06:45 codeslaw: blip? Aug 06 22:06:52 just push the damn patch Aug 06 22:06:53 blit Aug 06 22:07:33 Is rgar a rechnical term? Aug 06 22:07:56 Haha looking up while typing fail. Guess I'm not that good yet Aug 06 22:08:23 bit block image transfer Aug 06 22:08:49 its directly copying a block of pixels from one section of memory to another Aug 06 22:09:00 i.e. drawing one surface onto another, via software Aug 06 22:09:12 Oh... And that slows it down? Aug 06 22:09:14 as opposed to hardware, as is the case with opengl Aug 06 22:09:23 I see Aug 06 22:09:29 apparently! i have one small surface with some text rendered to it, only 50 x 100 pixels Aug 06 22:09:36 and it reaaaallyy slows down my loop Aug 06 22:09:46 Guess palm picked the short bus drive the kids aroub Aug 06 22:09:57 (low bus speeds) Aug 06 22:10:02 everything else i'm doing is drawing rectangles, which i guess is way faster Aug 06 22:10:31 Wow I'm just failing with this pre keyboard today Aug 06 22:10:40 i bet short busses go faster then big busses Aug 06 22:10:41 seriously Aug 06 22:10:42 less drag and weight Aug 06 22:10:49 smaller engines Aug 06 22:10:54 really? Aug 06 22:10:58 i would assume Aug 06 22:11:02 * oilsworkn is no short bus expert Aug 06 22:11:03 Less persons per trip though Aug 06 22:11:14 * codeslaw still rides the short bus every now and then Aug 06 22:11:23 lol Aug 06 22:12:14 No but seriously, bus speeds must be low in order to slow down on that small an image Aug 06 22:12:49 oh well thank you, Palm! Aug 06 22:12:57 How fast is your loop? Aug 06 22:13:10 Gimp rounded corner square links up perfectly with the small button graphic rounded corners Aug 06 22:13:30 * sugardave is unstoppable now. Aug 06 22:13:45 i haven't tested for framerates, just visual observation Aug 06 22:13:46 Sugardave: for future reference its 15px round corner size Aug 06 22:14:09 luckily i de-coupled audio from the framerate, so it doesn't break that, but it is screwing up touch events Aug 06 22:15:11 Anivrom|pre: I'll try moderately hard to not forget that Aug 06 22:15:51 :P Aug 06 22:16:35 * oilsworkn gets it tattooed on the back of his hand Aug 06 22:16:48 Darn straight Aug 06 22:16:59 Like memento Aug 06 22:17:15 Only without the extreme memory loss Aug 06 22:17:15 Only without the sextreme memory loss Aug 06 22:17:31 Gahaha? Aug 06 22:19:49 Oh dekan you comedian you Aug 06 22:23:56 Anyhows off for a few hours be back later tonight. Then some serious coding! Aug 06 22:24:07 haha Aug 06 22:24:33 True storey, happened to me in the future Aug 06 22:24:41 Storey too Aug 06 22:24:57 hey, no "false" that time Aug 06 22:27:04 false usually happens when the data is cut due to phone call or whatnot and on reconnect the irc quit command is sent Aug 06 22:27:24 it shouldnt send anything Aug 06 22:27:27 not false Aug 06 22:28:38 ohh, another hour of time to kill :/ Aug 06 22:32:25 woo hoo! got it working Aug 06 22:32:32 * JenP does a happy dance Aug 06 22:32:41 yay Aug 06 23:22:01 Hey all! Aug 06 23:24:57 hello kesne Aug 06 23:25:14 screwing around with jquery finally Aug 06 23:31:32 yay! Aug 06 23:34:56 ok got an issue -->http://www.montemayorinvestments.com/mam/test.php Aug 06 23:35:11 kesne: it is not working correctly Aug 06 23:35:12 greetings Aug 06 23:35:16 Uh oh Aug 06 23:35:18 hello BigBiff Aug 06 23:35:29 so, css people...how would I clip the background image of a div by some pixels? Aug 06 23:35:42 BigBiff: heya Aug 06 23:35:51 hello Aug 06 23:36:52 sugardave: like cut off some part of the image? Aug 06 23:37:32 sugardave: just resize the image smaller, that will clip it Aug 06 23:38:41 isn't there a css clip property? Aug 06 23:38:54 if image is "width:320px;height:100px" resizing image to "width:320px;height:50px" will clip the image 50px vertically Aug 06 23:39:18 LoneStar99: I'm looking at your stuff now Aug 06 23:39:21 that won't do it, I need it to be the "background" of the div containing the graphic for the "tab" and the tab graphic is not as wide/tall as the div Aug 06 23:39:46 so my background image sticks out beyond the tab about 4-8 px on either side Aug 06 23:39:46 yes, css clip should work Aug 06 23:39:48 LoneStar99: Why'd you attach all of that jqueryui shit? Aug 06 23:39:52 BigBiff: cool, thanks Aug 06 23:40:13 if it's rectangular, anyway Aug 06 23:40:20 I just found -webkit-background-clip and -webkit-mask-clip Aug 06 23:40:37 well, found mention of them Aug 06 23:40:42 learning them is different :D Aug 06 23:41:11 sugardave: read palms docs Aug 06 23:41:30 kesne: it is just the sample i am using, but tweaked it abit, and does not work Aug 06 23:41:35 * sugardave can't decide if you're being serious or not. Aug 06 23:41:44 LoneStar99: I dunno Aug 06 23:42:01 not Aug 06 23:42:38 kesne: $("div_id_1").click(function () { $("div_id_2").effect("explode"); }); is that right? Aug 06 23:42:58 I've never used jquery's click triggers Aug 06 23:43:08 But It's probablly a # in front of div names Aug 06 23:43:28 kesne: better yet "element_id_1" Aug 06 23:43:47 have u used mouseover triggers? Aug 06 23:44:35 -webkit-border-clip: padding is pretty damn close Aug 06 23:44:48 LoneStar99: In HTML Aug 06 23:45:40 kesne: ok this seems to work: "$("#sale-link").click(function () { ... }" Aug 06 23:47:39 LoneStar99: HAH! Aug 06 23:48:20 thanks Aug 06 23:48:45 no worries Aug 06 23:52:11 i think the proper way is "$("div.sale-link").click(function () { ... }" Aug 06 23:52:47 no Aug 06 23:54:46 maybe not... Aug 07 00:09:57 hi people Aug 07 00:10:35 anybody knows about RDP pr VNC on webOS Aug 07 00:13:11 hiiii Aug 07 00:14:04 not sure webos supports that many acronyms Aug 07 00:21:39 hi =) Aug 07 01:33:12 yeah, acronym support is windows mobile's job Aug 07 01:35:05 * kesne is back Aug 07 01:35:19 torchie! Aug 07 01:35:34 kesne! Aug 07 01:36:37 wait. Aug 07 01:37:39 ? Aug 07 01:46:36 follow me. Aug 07 02:51:29 Hi, I've been looking for a reference for the argument passed to WebOS event handlers on the Palm site without any luck. Did I overlook it somewhere? Aug 07 02:51:58 Plaid: depends on the event Aug 07 02:53:08 listTap, in this case Aug 07 02:53:44 then check the list widget, it will have hte listTap event as well as the arguements Aug 07 02:54:38 or you could log out all the properties of the argument... but looking at documentation is probably easier Aug 07 02:55:20 I did find that; if I read it right then it only has the "item" property? somewhere I read that i could use event.originalEvent as well Aug 07 02:55:50 to figure out which button in my item template caused the tap event Aug 07 02:56:42 umm, event.target.id might do it Aug 07 02:56:53 maybe i misunderstood; originalEvent is listed in the listChange event Aug 07 02:57:18 ah, see, where can i find info like that? Aug 07 02:57:28 or is that standard JS and i'm losing my mind Aug 07 02:57:40 I don't know honestly. It's just stuff you pick up Aug 07 02:57:46 :/ Aug 07 02:58:19 this http://webos.pastebin.com/bc85qN2F will log out the properties in an object courtesy of sugardave Aug 07 02:59:46 thanks! that may just be what i have to do. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Aug 07 02:59:57 2010