**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Aug 08 02:59:56 2010 Aug 08 03:03:48 Tibfib: none that ive ever seen Aug 08 03:04:26 that's what I thought. that's lame. Aug 08 03:04:27 Tibfib: yes Aug 08 03:04:36 involves a bit of code though Aug 08 03:04:40 if you're willing Aug 08 03:04:47 Anivrom|devMode: umm, then that's not "simple" Aug 08 03:04:48 the key events? lol Aug 08 03:05:03 yeah, dude. I now HOW to do it. It just is a crappy way Aug 08 03:05:07 know* Aug 08 03:05:46 it involves the onboard camera, a pocket mirror to reflect the image of their finger touching the meta area back to the camera, and an image processing algorithm. I use it in my app and it works great Aug 08 03:07:06 that got a bit ridiculous Aug 08 03:07:18 lol Aug 08 03:07:37 its ingenious actually Aug 08 03:08:02 I won a nobel prize in software engineering for that solution to a seemingly impossible problem. Aug 08 03:09:19 everyone should retweet this: http://twitter.com/Tibfib/status/20597846412 Aug 08 03:09:51 especially those without twitter/that hate twitter. Aug 08 03:12:42 * oil is unsure if he would use such a feature Aug 08 03:12:56 shits and giggles Aug 08 03:12:59 no other reason Aug 08 03:13:16 * oil awaits patch for wirc from halfhalo? xD Aug 08 03:13:35 a coder's life is hard on twitter Aug 08 03:13:36 ugg… I can sorta give it to you Aug 08 03:13:40 half of freenode is all Aug 08 03:13:52 "yo dawg twitter is for..." Aug 08 03:13:55 "...twits" Aug 08 03:14:35 cut paste in 3 seconds... Aug 08 03:14:37 @@ -29,7 +29,9 @@ ircNick.prototype.addChannel = function(channel, mode) Aug 08 03:14:37 { Aug 08 03:14:37 if (this.channels.indexOf(channel) === -1 || !channel.containsNick(this)) Aug 08 03:14:37 { Aug 08 03:14:37 + if (!channel.containsNick(this)) Aug 08 03:14:38 channel.addNick(this); Aug 08 03:14:38 + if(this.channels.indexOf(channel) === -1) Aug 08 03:14:39 this.channels.push(channel); Aug 08 03:14:39 Aug 08 03:14:40 if (mode) this.channelModes[channel.name] = [mode]; Aug 08 03:14:44 why? Aug 08 03:14:45 oh come on Aug 08 03:14:48 why do that? Aug 08 03:14:49 :p Aug 08 03:14:59 because im playing sc2 Aug 08 03:15:10 and im special Aug 08 03:15:22 dangit I need dekan Aug 08 03:15:48 dekan, halfhalo is special. don't use big words. Aug 08 03:15:55 heh Aug 08 03:17:36 wawawaaaaaaa Aug 08 03:17:42 so what does that patch do? Aug 08 03:18:30 checks to make sure there are no duplicate users in a channel so it doesn't send out more than one quit/join notification Aug 08 03:45:17 hi Roy Aug 08 03:57:30 lol @ commit message oil Aug 08 03:57:39 :) Aug 08 03:58:51 when is 030 going to be released anyways? Aug 08 03:59:15 yeah, gotta do that Aug 08 03:59:16 lol Aug 08 03:59:25 ... Aug 08 03:59:42 release it as 030 Aug 08 03:59:48 instead of 0.2.99.something Aug 08 03:59:49 lol Aug 08 04:00:28 do 0.2.99.9999 Aug 08 04:00:55 no Aug 08 04:01:32 awwwwww Aug 08 04:01:35 pwease/ Aug 08 04:01:37 ? Aug 08 04:02:14 0.3.0 Aug 08 04:02:31 but i have to remember what i add to the makefile so the feed is built with the 145 flag Aug 08 04:02:42 the middle one Aug 08 04:02:57 right Aug 08 04:02:58 oil: updating to regular feed? Aug 08 04:03:06 oh Aug 08 04:03:30 the problem with that is all the people in the us wouldn't be able to get 0.2.4 then Aug 08 04:03:52 * Tibfib has 1.4.5 Aug 08 04:03:56 who cares about the rest? Aug 08 04:04:01 it will be in the testing feed Aug 08 04:04:17 * Tibfib adds testing feed again Aug 08 04:05:16 it already is in there Aug 08 04:06:00 yeah, haven't re-added it to preware since 1.4.5 update Aug 08 04:06:04 *doctor* Aug 08 04:07:28 "monkey" Aug 08 04:07:44 * halfhalo builds from source since he is lazy Aug 08 04:15:21 dang oil. wIRC is slick Aug 08 04:15:28 :) Aug 08 04:15:31 word Aug 08 04:17:48 * Tibfib_wIRC will definitely pay for wIRC Aug 08 04:17:53 lol Aug 08 04:19:17 but will wIRC pay for you? Aug 08 04:19:45 he poses a valid question Aug 08 04:19:50 probably not. Aug 08 04:24:38 if i didn't think $13 was too much Aug 08 04:24:46 i would put it in the catalog for $13.37 Aug 08 04:24:53 heh Aug 08 04:25:32 lol Aug 08 04:26:17 lol Aug 08 04:29:15 can this.controller.get be used to change a widget from another scene? Aug 08 04:29:23 such as style.display Aug 08 04:30:37 no. Aug 08 04:30:43 this.controller is the scene assistant Aug 08 04:31:12 so any protip on accessing the widget on main from another scene? Aug 08 04:31:12 you may be able to use _that_ scene assistant to do it Aug 08 04:31:53 Anivrom|devMode: check out the documentation on mojo.controller... Aug 08 04:32:04 I'm sure there's a combination of methods you could use Aug 08 04:33:02 http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1872&Itemid=244#.parentSceneAssistant might work Aug 08 04:34:06 by above they mean beneath right? :P Aug 08 04:34:40 same thing Aug 08 04:36:02 http://www.firstpersontetris.com/ is awesome Aug 08 04:37:04 what have you done!! my coding endeavours for the night are ruined Aug 08 04:37:15 haha Aug 08 04:38:07 hahah that's EXACTLY what I was going to say Aug 08 04:38:16 lol Aug 08 04:40:12 * oil just made it to level 3 Aug 08 04:40:20 er, 2 Aug 08 04:40:25 apparently you start at 0 Aug 08 04:40:27 xD Aug 08 04:40:43 lazy programmer didnt feel like typing +1 to the index Aug 08 04:41:56 omg...whoever made that tetris game should try to sell it to the maker of tetris Aug 08 04:42:02 thats aweseom Aug 08 04:42:14 its starting to make me sick Aug 08 04:42:23 ok new question: is there a way to find out whether the use has navigated back to a scene if that scene was never popped? for instance main pushes prefs and prefs pops itself with a backgesture Aug 08 04:42:28 I totally suck at it Aug 08 04:43:31 try night mode Aug 08 04:43:38 i did Aug 08 04:43:40 its worse Aug 08 04:44:08 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s73TWOjBLug Aug 08 04:44:24 quite possible top 10 songs of all time qualifier Aug 08 04:44:30 possibly too Aug 08 04:44:44 it's way easier in not night mode... hah that was my problem Aug 08 04:46:41 * oil got 4429 Aug 08 04:46:47 howdy folks Aug 08 04:48:09 hi Aug 08 04:49:17 back to work.... Aug 08 04:49:38 nevarrrr Aug 08 04:49:59 "back to work" is code for "moar tetris!"? Aug 08 04:50:26 ive held off on star carft II not getting sucked into tetris Aug 08 04:51:35 * oil has a feeling tetris will be around long after starcraft 2 is forgotten Aug 08 05:01:20 aww bye hunny Aug 08 05:06:46 damn....the Slider widget should allow you to specify which end should be considered minimum and which should be maximum Aug 08 05:07:25 just - current progress from maximum and you'll get the flipped value Aug 08 05:07:29 :O Aug 08 05:08:05 thinking... Aug 08 05:08:34 99 - 100 = 1 Aug 08 05:08:42 I mean Aug 08 05:08:49 100 - 99 = 1 Aug 08 05:08:54 haha Aug 08 05:08:57 100 - 25 = 75 :P Aug 08 05:09:00 its late Aug 08 05:09:03 My phone reset. The patches are still installed but the directories were missing. I had a backup from a couple of weeks ago so I copied all of the directories back. Does anyone know how to get Preware to recognize the patches I have installed? Aug 08 05:09:13 let's do it this way Aug 08 05:09:18 I want to set the speed of a timer Aug 08 05:09:27 and now my screen is blank Aug 08 05:09:30 lol Aug 08 05:09:30 let me plug in Aug 08 05:09:34 Mark_M: try #webos-internals Aug 08 05:09:55 sugardave: don't forget to clearInterval before you set the timer agian or it will append Aug 08 05:10:00 24 hours later finally got server port working Aug 08 05:10:05 Problem I've been running into alot in my game Aug 08 05:10:05 Tibfib, thanks. Rod isn't there yet. Aug 08 05:10:19 oky Aug 08 05:10:20 so Aug 08 05:10:29 someone in there is still more likely to know than in here Aug 08 05:10:34 I want "slower" -> "faster" Aug 08 05:10:45 alright Aug 08 05:11:03 so, it makes sense that I would want to go min -> max, which for my timer is actually higher ms -> lower ms Aug 08 05:11:09 yea Aug 08 05:11:11 so I want: 3000 -> 1000 Aug 08 05:11:20 but you can't do that with the Slider Aug 08 05:11:21 so just minus currentTimer from max timer Aug 08 05:11:24 and you'll get the flip Aug 08 05:11:42 1000 - 3000 = -2000 Aug 08 05:11:46 that's not right Aug 08 05:11:49 no Aug 08 05:11:57 3000 - 1000 = 2000 Aug 08 05:12:04 math is hard. Aug 08 05:12:05 that's still not right Aug 08 05:12:10 its right.. Aug 08 05:12:12 because I want 1000 Aug 08 05:12:24 sigh* Aug 08 05:12:41 ok so from the left you want it to be maximum Aug 08 05:12:43 3000 Aug 08 05:12:46 yes Aug 08 05:13:22 as the slider is dragged right, you want to have an algorithm that converts the value to more usable ones such as 3000 or w/e Aug 08 05:13:27 I'm assuming you have that Aug 08 05:13:43 well, what I really want is to use the raw values Aug 08 05:13:57 How would you? they go up to 100 Aug 08 05:14:00 or 1 Aug 08 05:14:01 they're milliseconds Aug 08 05:14:02 whichever Aug 08 05:14:04 no Aug 08 05:14:12 they go to whatever you set as minValue and maxBalue Aug 08 05:14:13 Your slider value I'm talking about Aug 08 05:14:15 maxValue Aug 08 05:14:16 ohhh Aug 08 05:14:17 nice Aug 08 05:14:21 Ok so its easy then Aug 08 05:14:35 this is why I don't understand why I can't say which end is max Aug 08 05:15:06 but all you have to do is take your maxvalue and minus the current progress... Aug 08 05:15:17 okay Aug 08 05:15:31 dragging 1000 from left will create 2000 as your value Aug 08 05:15:32 say I'm at the fast end, 1000 ms Aug 08 05:15:42 I want the timer to be 1000ms Aug 08 05:15:50 what you're saying is to use 2000 instead Aug 08 05:16:00 you want to reverse the values Aug 08 05:16:12 so right is fast left is slow Aug 08 05:16:15 thats what you said Aug 08 05:16:27 or vice versa Aug 08 05:16:57 that's right, but I want to specify the lowest/highest ms times based on the value Aug 08 05:17:07 perceeived value Aug 08 05:17:09 isnt it hardcoded? Aug 08 05:17:15 okay Aug 08 05:17:22 say I've labeled my slider Aug 08 05:17:26 3000 on the left Aug 08 05:17:31 1000 on the right Aug 08 05:17:34 ok Aug 08 05:17:37 but the values are opposite Aug 08 05:17:42 because of this limitation Aug 08 05:17:42 right Aug 08 05:17:51 okay, user leaves it on 1000 Aug 08 05:17:57 which is left Aug 08 05:18:09 no, it is right to the user Aug 08 05:18:14 labeled on the right Aug 08 05:18:22 right Aug 08 05:18:27 but, the slide value is 3000 Aug 08 05:18:30 I need to get 1000 Aug 08 05:18:56 sugardave: I think you just need to wait until morning to work on it Aug 08 05:19:04 I think it'll be simple then :) Aug 08 05:19:11 your problem is you're starting at 1000 Aug 08 05:19:19 What you would do is max - current + 1000 Aug 08 05:19:42 ah Aug 08 05:19:45 duh Aug 08 05:19:51 Or Aug 08 05:20:05 Have the values at 0-2000 and just add 1000 when you set the timer Aug 08 05:20:57 but like I said make sure you clearInterval cause it seems to add up for me when I setInterval multiple times Aug 08 05:21:10 just clearInterval the line before setInterval Aug 08 05:21:18 okay...but I still maintain it would be awesome to specify this in the attributes Aug 08 05:21:23 lol Aug 08 05:23:46 Tibfib: the answer to that scene reference question was right under our noses all along Aug 08 05:24:00 Create a var in the new scene, and in the old scene just ref the assistant out to it Aug 08 05:24:13 gah, I used to be good at math :P Aug 08 05:24:32 * Tibfib can't remember the scene reference question Aug 08 05:24:45 how to manipulate widgets from another scene Aug 08 05:24:48 oh yeah Aug 08 05:24:55 calculators mean you dont need to know math Aug 08 05:24:56 lol Aug 08 05:24:56 worked out? Aug 08 05:25:05 I scrapped the idea for now Aug 08 05:25:11 Anivrom|devMode: why would you ever need to do it? Aug 08 05:25:15 who needs progress images anyways Aug 08 05:25:20 another scene, as in, another stage? Aug 08 05:25:25 or as in, the scene below the current one? Aug 08 05:25:27 no, just a scene Aug 08 05:25:34 you can pass stuff by popping Aug 08 05:25:56 heh, let me rephrase. you can pass arguments when you pop a scene Aug 08 05:25:59 not the same. I never pop my main scene therefore there is no event when I pop anything above it Aug 08 05:26:02 or when you push the new scene tell it about the previous scene Aug 08 05:26:19 wow programming has created a wacky parlance Aug 08 05:27:08 gah, been dreading this feature for weeks... calculating away events on return Aug 08 05:27:18 * Anivrom|devMode locks the door and grabs some redbull Aug 08 05:27:46 Anivrom|devMode: what is the use case to update widgets in a scene that isn't currently active? Aug 08 05:28:29 preference pages? Aug 08 05:28:58 erm I have a div that says "please wait" while loading my monsterous shop/inventory scenes and there is no way to hide that div on my way out or when I return since there is no event generated when I return Aug 08 05:29:34 I'm missing something Aug 08 05:29:35 so I wanna hide it from the other scenes before I pop them Aug 08 05:29:44 ------------------------ Aug 08 05:29:52 uh Aug 08 05:30:14 isn't activate called when you return? Aug 08 05:30:19 yes Aug 08 05:30:30 I didnt think it was called if you don't "push" the scene Aug 08 05:30:39 if you pop a scene Aug 08 05:30:48 the previous scene's activate is called again Aug 08 05:30:51 oh Aug 08 05:31:01 and you can pass an object in event back to it Aug 08 05:31:01 activate is ran when the scene above the scene is popped Aug 08 05:31:14 I see Aug 08 05:31:16 {'hideDive': true} Aug 08 05:31:25 or, like i said, when you push the scene, send "this" as a parameter Aug 08 05:31:25 meh I'll just hide it no matter what Aug 08 05:31:32 and store it in the initialize of your other scene Aug 08 05:31:40 and call its functions directly Aug 08 05:35:16 is the following possible: 1.) ajax request retreives json 2.) json is processed by device 3.) when json equals = http://site.com/sound.mp3" --> sound is automatically played without a tap or anything? Aug 08 05:36:19 sounds plausable Aug 08 05:37:13 Anivrom|devMode: yeah execpt not sure if sound files can be played without any user intervention Aug 08 05:37:20 sure why not? Aug 08 05:37:41 LoneStar99: why wouldnt they? Aug 08 05:37:50 well not sure, will know more when i test the code Aug 08 05:37:57 code is not made yet Aug 08 05:37:58 ... Aug 08 05:37:59 http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1859&Itemid=248#.send Aug 08 05:38:07 all else fails you can generate an event Aug 08 05:39:07 yeah, just beginning the planning stages, just wanted to ask opinions Aug 08 05:43:54 yes Aug 08 05:43:58 it's possible Aug 08 05:43:59 lol that was the most error ridden 4 lines of code I have ever wrote. like 6 stupid erros Aug 08 05:45:12 lol Aug 08 05:46:10 would help if I bothered checking the log viewer when my app freezes.. Aug 08 05:46:14 writting to the freebsd fellows Aug 08 05:47:05 Maybe I should go to sleep, its like 2 steps forward 1 step back :P Aug 08 05:47:12 sugardave: did you get that slider going good? Aug 08 05:48:34 Anivrom|devMode: lol i was like that last night at 3am Aug 08 05:50:20 looks like the wifey is going to sleep Aug 08 05:50:30 Guess I should follow soon Aug 08 05:50:54 nonsense Aug 08 05:50:58 now you can get some real work done Aug 08 05:51:01 lol Aug 08 05:51:40 no more nagging Aug 08 05:51:46 Sometimes I feel that way when her mouth is going at a 1000 words a minute and I gotta sit there and listen. I can't listen and type at the same time so its 1 or the other Aug 08 05:51:48 lulz Aug 08 05:51:58 what could be a problem though, is the lack of sandwich making personell Aug 08 05:52:34 hah Aug 08 05:53:24 lol. Anivrom|devMode: she knows where to find the channel logs Aug 08 05:53:25 all i know tommorrow gonna have a few cold ones Aug 08 05:53:44 goodnight everyone Aug 08 05:53:53 cya Aug 08 05:54:41 was supposed to have gone to a country bar, but decided to stay home and compile ports on FreeBSD... Aug 08 05:57:49 oil, you should be pushing wirc changes at least every 2 hours Aug 08 05:57:53 GET ON IT MAN! Aug 08 05:57:56 lol Aug 08 05:58:07 "added a newline" "removed a newline" Aug 08 05:58:09 GOGOGO Aug 08 05:58:10 "added tabs" Aug 08 05:58:16 yup Aug 08 05:59:50 yeah oil, need to work like a foxxcomm Aug 08 06:00:01 oh? Aug 08 06:00:06 at least then ill be paid? Aug 08 06:00:14 nope Aug 08 06:00:21 well, just on paper Aug 08 06:00:44 * oil gets suicide insurance? Aug 08 06:00:55 lol Aug 08 06:01:13 thats a poor business model. Allowing you to take out your own suicide insurance. Aug 08 06:01:37 Although only if they allow beneficiaries :P Aug 08 06:01:40 "accidental death insurance" Aug 08 06:01:57 and ill "accidentally" throw myself off a building Aug 08 06:02:01 no beneficiaries = suicide insurance win Aug 08 06:02:04 yeah Aug 08 06:02:15 damn slave drivers Aug 08 06:02:32 you rang? Aug 08 06:02:44 i couldn't make anyone the beneficiary though Aug 08 06:02:48 they would be the first to kill me Aug 08 06:02:56 dont tell em Aug 08 06:02:59 accidentally Aug 08 06:03:28 ill make an inanimate object the beneficiary Aug 08 06:03:47 must.. resist… joke... Aug 08 06:03:58 no, not my blowup doll Aug 08 06:04:05 that bitch is crazy and would totally kill me Aug 08 06:04:42 lol Aug 08 06:04:45 anyways Aug 08 06:04:47 bbl Aug 08 06:04:50 lird Aug 08 06:06:59 lol Aug 08 06:07:12 wow, my typing fails Aug 08 06:07:41 what about making the beneficiary the "INpiration Channel" Aug 08 06:08:05 those snakes are always looking for money Aug 08 06:08:25 They take some from you before? Aug 08 06:10:28 Gu1l7y_work: neah, did some investigating once, and they are full of lies. Aug 08 06:10:48 Yea, its all a con game. Aug 08 06:10:50 sleeeeeeeeeep Aug 08 06:10:54 goodnight Aug 08 06:10:59 cya tomorrow Aug 08 06:11:02 gn Anivrom|devMode Aug 08 06:11:03 lata Aug 08 06:12:26 So, anyone notice that HP already has 2 tablets, running Android, and something else.... Aug 08 06:12:48 Can I even say the "A" word here? lol Aug 08 06:13:00 Gu1l7y_work: you hve some pics or link? Aug 08 06:13:48 gimme a minute... twas on engadget. I think Aug 5th was the one not running Android, and the Android one is PreCentral front page I think... Aug 08 06:16:49 Android slate: http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/05/the-hp-estation-zeen-the-zeus-printer-and-everything-we-know-a/ Aug 08 06:17:06 Windows 7 Slate: http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/12/windows-7-based-hp-slate-promised-at-wpc-2010/ Aug 08 06:17:35 Swore I saw another one sporting a different OS though... Aug 08 06:17:36 thanks, let me check them out Aug 08 06:17:39 k Aug 08 06:21:56 http://www.downloadsquad.com/2010/07/30/hp-developers-release-their-first-webos-app?icid=sphere_blogsmith_inpage_engadget Aug 08 06:27:16 Yea, I know right. I really hope they get in gear and push some good things out. It'd be like a revitalization. lol Aug 08 06:27:31 At least something better than... "World Time". Aug 08 06:32:48 oh shiz i forgot i was still on #webos Aug 08 06:32:56 what's going on guys Aug 08 06:33:45 i was just on precentral and am like, man, why do so many of these android switchers still hang around? Aug 08 06:35:33 btw, that world time app didn't even work right for me, anyone else? Aug 08 06:37:24 whats an android switcher? Aug 08 06:38:06 people who had pre's and switched to android, most likely evo. Aug 08 06:38:55 do u mean users or developers? Aug 08 06:39:08 newbie here...sorry Aug 08 06:39:23 users, not developers. Aug 08 06:39:38 ok... Aug 08 06:40:21 so you're new whoolio? you have a pre or pixi? Aug 08 06:40:24 my pre just stopped workign all together...did this the other day... Aug 08 06:40:28 icharged it, it came back Aug 08 06:40:36 not this time...anyone ever have this happer Aug 08 06:41:00 is there a magic button to shut it down/restartt it? Aug 08 06:41:18 haha...just plugged it in to the charger and its working again Aug 08 06:41:30 never mind Aug 08 06:41:36 that's weird. Aug 08 06:42:18 i bought it off someone...so i can develpo on it...lots of weird things happen on it Aug 08 06:42:44 need to get a new one when i have a chance Aug 08 06:46:59 You should be able to buy used ones off Craigslist for 125 if you look hard enough. Aug 08 06:47:44 gull7y...yeah, thats where i got this one. id prefer to wait and see if palm comes out with new hardware. Aug 08 06:48:01 ill get one if this dies completely Aug 08 06:48:20 Do you have a secondary phone? Verizon, ATT, Sprint? Aug 08 06:48:41 iphone is proimary Aug 08 06:49:18 i hope palm make better hardware...i may switch Aug 08 06:49:37 iphone 3g is slow now...thanks to the later iOS update Aug 08 06:49:48 i freeze for a minute sometimes Aug 08 06:50:04 its like windows 95...the irony Aug 08 06:50:29 the pre is so much more fun to work with Aug 08 06:50:46 and the app submission process is so freaking easy! Aug 08 06:50:58 I absolutely love mine. Very few issues. Aug 08 06:52:10 Done any homebrew with yours yet? Aug 08 06:52:21 not yet... Aug 08 06:52:27 not sure what homebrew means Aug 08 06:52:50 im developing in Ares Aug 08 06:53:22 i can't install on mine...i don't have a palm usb cable Aug 08 06:53:35 so webos quickinstall won't work Aug 08 06:53:53 u need the palm usb cable apparently, not just a generic cable Aug 08 06:54:11 Maybe your cable is broken? Aug 08 06:54:24 I've used older ones from diff. phones. Aug 08 06:54:25 brand new Aug 08 06:54:28 wtf Aug 08 06:54:44