**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Aug 09 02:59:57 2010 Aug 09 03:14:58 ok.... so my database got wiped somehow Aug 09 03:15:03 That's troubling Aug 09 03:18:54 Which database? Aug 09 03:19:16 my app database. Aug 09 03:19:34 It never got erased though, I just started it in the emulator which didnt have a database, adn my app never started Aug 09 03:19:35 :/ Aug 09 03:20:28 [nods] I do that, too. Aug 09 03:33:13 Tibfib: I asked MM to make me coffee this morning and it just friggin sat there... you seriously need more maid features in that app Aug 09 03:34:43 hmmmmmmmmmmmmm Aug 09 03:34:49 my magic mouse is refusing to work Aug 09 03:39:11 halfhalo: i think they do that from time to time Aug 09 03:39:22 its part of the magic Aug 09 03:39:27 lo Aug 09 03:39:29 lol Aug 09 03:39:31 yeah Aug 09 03:39:56 omg mac phail Aug 09 03:40:18 what is the best way to play an mp3 file in a scene? Aug 09 03:40:37 Anivrom|VENGEANC: sorry, next update Aug 09 03:41:04 built mah auth system, now building my main website Aug 09 03:41:12 a simple mp3 ?? Aug 09 03:41:21 will let you change settings for any apps tied to your account Aug 09 03:41:47 halfhalo: nice Aug 09 03:42:08 yup Aug 09 03:45:19 interwebs r teh sex Aug 09 03:48:23 how do you play sound natively on scene without having to launch external player? Aug 09 03:48:32 magic Aug 09 03:48:41 maik: ping Aug 09 03:48:51 I think I read it on google once LoneStar99 Aug 09 03:48:53 Tibfib: you know how? Aug 09 03:48:56 can't remember the link Aug 09 03:48:58 :P Aug 09 03:49:02 boo Aug 09 03:49:14 LoneStar99: tried to do it once, failed... but that was when I first started dev Aug 09 03:49:36 yesterday i searched for a fix for about 10 hours, i am done searching for a day Aug 09 03:50:07 hmm Aug 09 03:50:10 1 min Aug 09 03:50:33 let me find it cause I'm gonna have to use that extensibly in my app too Aug 09 03:50:45 ok thanks Anivrom|VENGEANC Aug 09 03:52:56 oh snap Aug 09 03:53:06 techtarget owns ajaxian.com Aug 09 03:54:03 LoneStar99: http://www.jdf-software.com/blog/2010/05/using-audio-in-your-webos-apps/? Aug 09 03:54:09 without the question mark Aug 09 03:54:09 http://www.jdf-software.com/blog/2010/05/using-audio-in-your-webos-apps/ Aug 09 03:54:29 I just skimmed briefly but you can check it out and let me know if anything works Aug 09 03:54:57 AND it was bought at the same time as my favorite group o forums: technologyguide.com Aug 09 03:55:29 Anivrom|VENGEANC: thanks, will check it out Aug 09 03:56:57 Anivrom|VENGEANC: adding text to voice option for bobc, it is almost ready! Aug 09 03:57:32 does anyone know how the mojo.animation stuff works? Aug 09 03:58:05 I know basics of css transitions, just wondering if mojo animations are worth learning Aug 09 03:58:26 all I know is webkit Aug 09 03:58:35 My impression is that Mojo.Animation and CSS animation are just different front ends to the same underlying code. Aug 09 03:58:57 oh yeah, probably Aug 09 03:59:06 I think I'll just keep with css then Aug 09 03:59:14 Mojo.Animiation seems to be stable, and presumably wiill have support for a long time. Aug 09 03:59:45 I'm having trouble animating left property through webkit transitions though Aug 09 03:59:48 opacity works fine Aug 09 03:59:48 But if you can do what you need with CSS, that will probably be the favored front end eventually. Aug 09 04:35:14 vvelcome Aug 09 05:26:19 very quiet i am hunting for a wabbit Aug 09 05:26:32 NOT THE WABBITS Aug 09 05:29:00 was going crazy for about 30 minutes b/c of : instead of ; in css... Aug 09 05:29:27 ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff Aug 09 05:34:14 AnivromHatesAres: reading the link you sent... seems intense but will work on it tommarrow Aug 09 05:35:06 LoneStar99: keep on the lookout for kesne and ask him how he played the bg music in planet eaters. He can give you the right source. Aug 09 05:35:29 wow Aug 09 05:35:34 ears burning kesne? Aug 09 05:35:48 lol Aug 09 05:36:12 that was just pure weird Aug 09 05:36:25 Unless he's got an alt in the channel : Aug 09 05:36:26 P Aug 09 05:36:39 and camps the join button waiting for a ping Aug 09 05:36:52 LOL Aug 09 05:37:25 AnivromHatesAres: ok maybe kesne code is less entense Aug 09 05:37:54 that code was written for an older version of webos. ] Aug 09 05:37:56 OH MY GOD IT WORKED Aug 09 05:37:58 things prolly changed by now Aug 09 05:38:01 yay Aug 09 05:38:06 * AnivromHatesAres cheers for halfhalo Aug 09 05:38:13 nifty_scaffold really is nifty Aug 09 05:38:20 http://silentbluesystems.com/projects Aug 09 05:38:32 its purdyer than stock scaffold Aug 09 05:39:03 What's going on again? Aug 09 05:39:08 you died Aug 09 05:39:17 Oh right Aug 09 05:39:37 AnivromHatesAres: reading the link you sent... seems intense but will work on it tommarrow Aug 09 05:39:37 LoneStar99: keep on the lookout for kesne and ask him how he played the bg music in planet eaters. He can give you the right source. Aug 09 05:39:37 * kesne (~jordan@pool-96-225-204-164.ptldor.fios.verizon.net) has joined #webos Aug 09 05:40:01 Haha Aug 09 05:40:03 No way! Aug 09 05:40:03 literrally a second after I typed that Aug 09 05:40:05 That's funny Aug 09 05:40:06 kesne: how do you play background music in your "Planet eaters" app? Aug 09 05:40:19 I use an audio tag Aug 09 05:40:28 "buy it and read the source" haha Aug 09 05:40:45 *kesne pockets $1.70 Aug 09 05:40:54 erm 1.40 Aug 09 05:41:04 kesne: want a user to click on div and not open external player to play music or sound... Aug 09 05:42:33 Okay Aug 09 05:42:37 That's really easy Aug 09 05:42:46 Checkers 2.2 uses 3 audio tags Aug 09 05:42:48 And volume Aug 09 05:43:08 and uses clever timing to achieve very cool things. Aug 09 05:43:11 But anyways Aug 09 05:43:14 cool Aug 09 05:43:17 Throw this in the HTML Aug 09 05:43:24 * kesne grabs the code. brb Aug 09 05:43:29 ok thanks Aug 09 05:43:36 WebOS app? Aug 09 05:43:43 yeah Aug 09 05:44:20 got the jscript working on my friends site, will sit down with him tomara for final adjustments Aug 09 05:46:15 Aug 09 05:46:32 And in the click/tap event thingy Aug 09 05:46:39 This is the code to play it Aug 09 05:46:55 $("sound1").play(); Aug 09 05:48:08 whoa, that's easy Aug 09 05:48:10 ok thanks, will mess with it, the problem is the files that will be played in my app are dynamic Aug 09 05:48:20 Tibfib: Never used sound before? Aug 09 05:48:26 kesne: nope Aug 09 05:48:47 http://silentbluesystems.com/projects someone click new project and see what happens... Aug 09 05:49:03 No route matches {:action=>"new", :controller=>"session"} Aug 09 05:49:04 halfhalo: Routing Error Aug 09 05:49:05 No route matches {:action=>"new", :controller=>"session"} Aug 09 05:49:05 is sugardave's twitter account "sugar_dave" ?? Aug 09 05:49:15 LoneStar99: yes Aug 09 05:49:24 kesne u still on vacation? Aug 09 05:49:33 ok, NOT what i was expecting but NOT what i expecting to happen if it broke Aug 09 05:49:33 Nope Aug 09 05:49:37 Came back yesterday Aug 09 05:50:23 ok, was shytown fun? Aug 09 05:50:33 shytown? Aug 09 05:51:14 chicago Aug 09 05:51:37 oh Aug 09 05:51:39 scary Aug 09 05:51:44 not fun Aug 09 05:51:53 "what rappers and black people call Chicago" Aug 09 05:52:11 direct quote from urban dictionary Aug 09 05:52:14 "what white people think rappers and black people call chicago" Aug 09 05:52:22 direct quote from your mom Aug 09 05:52:24 So webOS Aug 09 05:52:31 dkirker: see, on topic! Aug 09 05:52:38 http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=shytown Aug 09 05:52:48 * kesne avoids clicking the link Aug 09 05:52:59 3rd definition Aug 09 05:53:43 hmmmmmmmm Aug 09 05:53:54 I have no idea how to restart thin.... Aug 09 05:54:18 I worked with this fantastic musician Aug 09 05:55:40 ok, try again: http://silentbluesystems.com/projects/new Aug 09 05:55:44 Brought an amazing thing to checkers Aug 09 05:55:51 hookers and blow? Aug 09 05:55:57 log in required Aug 09 05:55:58 halfhalo: login required Aug 09 05:56:01 sweeeet Aug 09 05:56:08 dynamic permissions up and running Aug 09 05:56:12 So, the new thing Aug 09 05:56:22 It's turn-based music Aug 09 05:56:24 halfhalo: what are you working on? Aug 09 05:56:32 That also changes based on how the game is going Aug 09 05:56:40 lol, nice Aug 09 05:56:44 Winning - the music becomes more epic-sounding Aug 09 05:56:50 Losing - More hectic and dire Aug 09 05:57:14 Each color is represented by either a piano or guitar Aug 09 05:57:15 main website with added features. Basically you have an account, can use that to log in to webos apps and get your settings, and also edit app settings via the web. Aug 09 05:57:23 So it swaps back and forth. Aug 09 05:57:33 halfhalo: what is this for? Aug 09 05:57:51 AND if you have the dev user flag on your account (IE people in here) download an ipk file to install for testing purposes Aug 09 05:58:14 kense: website for my apps Aug 09 05:58:20 IT'S KESNE Aug 09 05:58:22 NOT KENSE Aug 09 05:58:36 halfhalo: cool Aug 09 05:58:37 WHATEVA WHATEVA I DO WHAT AH WANT Aug 09 05:58:49 halfhalo: I'm reading a book like that Aug 09 05:58:53 The dialect Aug 09 05:59:07 no more coding for today, - retiring till the am Aug 09 05:59:31 "Dats de lawds truth, ah recon" Aug 09 05:59:40 so the HP ceo got booted, like i mentioned the first week palm got bought out, he was an idiot Aug 09 05:59:55 OC Aug 09 06:00:03 an idiot with $13m severence Aug 09 06:00:16 the site won't be very useful for steamfriends, but my other apps that are coming out will be.... Aug 09 06:00:40 halfhalo: you have a preview link? Aug 09 06:00:52 not yet Aug 09 06:00:59 screenshot? Aug 09 06:01:04 nope Aug 09 06:01:09 halfhalo: Open for us? Aug 09 06:01:14 working on desktop compent first Aug 09 06:01:32 all it is a little app that lets you send links to the phone Aug 09 06:01:48 nice... gonna make browser extensions? Aug 09 06:02:04 yeah, going to try to Aug 09 06:02:27 very nice. I'd totally use that app with a chrome extension Aug 09 06:02:30 my issue is for the settings part of my site each one has to be its own mini-site Aug 09 06:02:49 which is a _pain_ Aug 09 06:02:51 maybe Aug 09 06:03:27 halfhalo: u using php? Aug 09 06:03:40 nope, rails Aug 09 06:03:50 and each setting mini app will be sinatra I think Aug 09 06:04:42 ping Aug 09 06:04:58 god I love you script/console Aug 09 06:05:27 oh, I'm also making a support ticket section Aug 09 06:05:46 since that is retardedly easy if it has no fancy features Aug 09 06:10:39 hmm Aug 09 06:15:06 kesne-pmifnm: how long where u in shytown? Aug 09 06:15:40 two full days Aug 09 06:15:45 Three, counting half days Aug 09 06:16:05 cool, you went alone? Aug 09 06:16:21 no Aug 09 06:19:40 never been to chicago, but here it is nice, would like to go during st.paddys Aug 09 06:23:25 night guys Aug 09 06:30:00 kesne: finally released bobchatter last week Aug 09 06:33:11 morning Aug 09 06:33:22 goodnight all Aug 09 06:35:40 morning swisstomcat Aug 09 06:35:47 morning lonestar Aug 09 06:36:08 how was your weekend? Aug 09 06:36:10 LoneStar99: For webOS? Aug 09 06:36:16 yeah Aug 09 06:36:20 LoneStar99: Cool Aug 09 06:36:22 pretty good Aug 09 06:36:23 LoneStar99: Link? Aug 09 06:36:34 found a bug that made my app unusable Aug 09 06:36:43 need to push an update ASAP Aug 09 06:36:48 kesne-pmifnm: http://bobchatter.com/ Aug 09 06:37:03 swisstomcat: that sucks, that happened to me once Aug 09 06:37:18 need more testing before release :( Aug 09 06:37:52 LoneStar99: Interesting. UI could use some work Aug 09 06:37:52 swisstomcat: yeah, one thing i do is alot of testing, but some bugs still get out Aug 09 06:38:25 my bug was in the scene that is only shown on the first launch Aug 09 06:38:27 kesne-pmifnm: yeah, needed a starting point so released it when everything seemed to work Aug 09 06:39:18 kesne-pmifnm: adding text to voice in the next release "wednesday" Aug 09 06:39:41 adding = added Aug 09 06:41:05 swisstomcat: oh so it effects only first time users? Aug 09 06:42:03 yeah, but it makes the app unusable ... i have to test fresh installs more Aug 09 06:42:39 swisstomcat: yeah that can be a bad thing =( Aug 09 06:42:58 oh well, you learn Aug 09 06:43:19 yeah forsure Aug 09 06:48:55 * bhuey is about to dump the platform for an EVO Aug 09 06:49:00 sad Aug 09 06:50:18 bhuey: dump what platform? Aug 09 06:51:47 LoneStar99: Text to voice? Aug 09 06:52:37 yeah what ever opens a thread can be converted from what was typed into a voice file Aug 09 06:53:09 LoneStar99: Palm Pre Aug 09 06:53:35 bhuey: why? Aug 09 06:53:47 it's gotten too dated and rough for me to put up with it any more Aug 09 06:54:31 as a developer or as a user? Aug 09 06:54:31 I'm basically waiting for 4G to be deployed in San Francisco and then I'll switch oer Aug 09 06:54:34 bhuey: yeah, android rolls out a new phone every week.... Aug 09 06:54:35 over Aug 09 06:55:02 Wow Aug 09 06:55:06 So, this is hard to do Aug 09 06:55:10 "PM Inbox" Aug 09 06:55:20 even though their mobile OS blows, the lack of functionality is just pissing me off at this point Aug 09 06:56:02 LoneStar99: Aww, Bobchatter costs monies. Aug 09 06:58:25 kesne: can send you the IPKs Aug 09 06:58:38 LoneStar99: I'd feel bad Aug 09 07:03:36 kesne: why would u feel bad? Aug 09 07:03:46 I'd be stealing Aug 09 07:04:16 Sorry LoneStar99, but that bobchatter UI has to be one of the ugliest things I've seen in a while Aug 09 07:04:56 why do people think that gradient colour backgrounds actually add anything ? Aug 09 07:05:02 rwhitby: thats cool, just needed to release the system Aug 09 07:05:19 rwhitby: I'm doing the UI in the next release : Aug 09 07:05:21 er, :) Aug 09 07:06:27 * rwhitby notes that his own UI expertise extends as far as the Save/Restore UI and no further Aug 09 07:07:04 Hehe Aug 09 07:07:08 I've done a few UI things Aug 09 07:07:30 Though if you take a look, I really like sliding panels Aug 09 07:07:35 There's content, and there UI, and then there's just useless decoration. People should just focus on the first two. Aug 09 07:08:24 A gradient colour background falls into the third bucket. It detracts from being able to read the content, and adds nothing to the operation of the user interface. Aug 09 07:08:44 rwhitby: i really do not care for the UI either what i like is the way it works Aug 09 07:09:23 LoneStar99: so why put a gradient colour background in there if you do not care for the UI. Surely it took you more effort to do that than to just leave it as the Palm Default colours ... Aug 09 07:09:38 rwhitby: I like casual gradients. Aug 09 07:09:42 Like the one in the new checkers Aug 09 07:09:48 A really light blue to a white Aug 09 07:09:54 why? what does it add to the user experience? Aug 09 07:09:56 rwhitby: it was the default to my other apps Aug 09 07:09:57 Keeps everything 100% legible. Aug 09 07:09:59 It looks pretty Aug 09 07:10:00 Srsly Aug 09 07:11:20 * swisstomcat adds a gradient colour background to preware ;) Aug 09 07:12:39 i mean if the gradient has some meaning (e.g. oldest to newest something, or some representation of priority, etc) sure, but if it has no UI meaning, then it's just distracting, not pretty. Aug 09 07:14:19 I guess it depends on the app too. A fluff app can be "pretty" instead of efficient. A productivity app should be efficient. Aug 09 07:15:11 rwhitby: may other apps you can change the background - gradient or not, etc... just left the option off for bobchatter Aug 09 07:15:27 may = my Aug 09 07:16:19 i like gradients, but will allow others to get rid of it in 1.0.1 Aug 09 07:17:06 rwhitby: For a checkers app, pretty is important Aug 09 07:17:13 * rwhitby doesn't get into the whole "why create yet another incompatible messaging protocol ..." discussion Aug 09 07:17:29 kesne: yeah, I'll give you that. Aug 09 07:17:51 rwhitby: For preware, it doesn't matter. Aug 09 07:17:55 rwhitby: :P Aug 09 07:18:06 Good god, my back sucks Aug 09 07:18:34 rwhitby: because this was developed in 2007 and works unlike any other messenger - it is all threads Aug 09 07:19:04 Alright folks Aug 09 07:19:06 I'm leaving Aug 09 07:19:09 Big day tomorrow Aug 09 07:19:13 need to code a hell of a lot Aug 09 07:19:14 GN kesne Aug 09 07:19:21 good luck! Aug 09 07:19:59 LoneStar99: 2007 is only 3 years ago. There are at least 50 other messaging protocols that are all threads previous to that. Aug 09 07:20:17 Heh Aug 09 07:20:23 NNTP for instance ... Aug 09 07:20:26 * kesne_pre laughs at LoneStar99 Aug 09 07:20:49 heck, Fido before that Aug 09 07:21:49 * kesne_pre wants a nex-5 Aug 09 07:21:52 * rwhitby wishes LoneStar99 well with the app - ignore my ramblings and continue reinventing the world :) Aug 09 07:22:03 rwhitby: i guess i need to better define what bobchatter does, will work on it Aug 09 07:23:27 * rwhitby considers "Unique UI" on a feature list to be a negative, not a positive :) Aug 09 07:23:40 Ah, time to put on some Tazorac cream Aug 09 07:23:41 rwhitby: instead of the same continuous stream of text going upwards, and you need to scroll, with bob you just start a new chat with the same dude Aug 09 07:24:23 * kesne_pre remembers rwhitby is an old dood, and ignores his ui advice. Aug 09 07:24:36 kesne_pre: yeah, good call :) Aug 09 07:24:49 Hehe Aug 09 07:24:59 * rwhitby wonders what comes after Gen Z ... Aug 09 07:25:31 Though realistically, I did just finish my new keen studios layout Aug 09 07:25:32 kesne_pre: are you guys still Gen Y, or is there a new grouping? Aug 09 07:25:52 UI-less design. Aug 09 07:26:06 rwhitby: what are you talking about again? Aug 09 07:26:28 kesne_pre: Baby Boomers, Gen X, Gen Y, etc ... what are 16yr olds today part of? Aug 09 07:27:10 has anyone ever thought why do IM/IRC/Chat scroll upwards, while email you need to scroll downwards? Aug 09 07:27:14 Uhm. I have no idea what that is... Aug 09 07:27:29 kesne_pre: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation_Y Aug 09 07:27:36 LoneStar99: my advice: "somebody has already thought of it" Aug 09 07:27:48 my conclusion it makes no sense Aug 09 07:28:10 I just realized that my acne meds tell me to avoid sunlight at all costs Aug 09 07:28:32 After I spent a week walking in the sun for 8-12 hours per day Aug 09 07:28:48 Well, not sun, more like outside Aug 09 07:29:03 kesne_pre: that is different Aug 09 07:29:06 It did get dark, so maybe 6-8 hours of sun Aug 09 07:29:16 * rwhitby bbl Aug 09 07:29:32 I'm out Aug 09 07:29:34 Byezzz Aug 09 09:18:42 anyone up? Aug 09 09:18:53 *yawn* Aug 09 09:18:58 haha Aug 09 09:19:31 question...can someone see my code for my app? is there something that allows other devs to hack the phone and view code Aug 09 09:20:03 i spending all this time on my app and i don't want someone else to get the code.. Aug 09 09:20:17 yes, everyone can see your code ... if they know how Aug 09 09:20:36 hmm...so obsfucation would be a good thing to do then Aug 09 09:20:53 depends Aug 09 09:21:03 if it's really "patent-worthy" stuff Aug 09 09:21:43 it's good to look at other code to see how it works .. as long as you don't steal code for your own app Aug 09 09:22:08 i just quit my job...because my superviser there was stealing credit for my work there, and outside of work he was stealing my sites as well. registering similar domains Aug 09 09:22:43 so i want to keep my stuff that i work really hard...for me. Aug 09 09:23:09 i give plenty away and am willing to help anyone who asks Aug 09 09:25:21 thanks for the info Aug 09 09:32:08 good morning Aug 09 09:32:19 mornign Aug 09 12:03:32 hi i have a problem with wirc .. i have installed it but when i run it i werite on the center waiting the plugin ... a stop not work .. someone can help me ??? Aug 09 12:06:41 darkmagister: i had the same problem .. there's a bug in the 1.4.5 OTA install Aug 09 12:06:56 mmmm ok Aug 09 12:07:06 ok i have to doctor it Aug 09 12:07:08 :( Aug 09 12:07:09 thanks Aug 09 12:07:10 you can either run Emergency Fstab Fixer through preware or edit /etc/fstab Aug 09 12:07:14 no doctoring needed Aug 09 12:07:18 ooooooook Aug 09 12:07:42 what do you prefer? i edit fstab by hand :) Aug 09 12:07:47 edited Aug 09 12:08:02 morning haeffb Aug 09 12:08:19 mmm maybe i install the Emergency Fstab Fixer Aug 09 12:08:35 that should resolve your wirc problem Aug 09 12:08:37 because i don't know what i have to change on fstab Aug 09 12:08:46 there's an article what to change .. hold on Aug 09 12:08:52 ok Aug 09 12:09:29 http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=70&t=8109&hilit=fstab Aug 09 12:10:34 and Aug 09 12:10:35 http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=70&t=7942 Aug 09 12:11:26 thanks Aug 09 12:11:27 ;) Aug 09 12:12:34 prego Aug 09 12:13:52 :D Aug 09 13:47:50 Is there anyway to "tab" in webos? Aug 09 14:16:13 I can't wait for tron 2.0!!! Aug 09 14:16:26 looks pretty cool Aug 09 14:16:35 i need to see the original first, though Aug 09 14:24:42 Wow you haven't seen it? Aug 09 14:26:51 me neither Aug 09 14:33:10 it's a bit older ;) Aug 09 14:33:12 so no, i haven't seen it Aug 09 14:33:21 i remember seeing parts of it, but never the whole thing Aug 09 14:34:41 Its amazing, the whole thing is an analogy of a computer Aug 09 14:42:11 * Anivrom|pre should have made a backup of his game.js before using internalz as a primiive IDE by directly editing the source files *cry* Aug 09 14:42:27 My app is brokelol Aug 09 14:49:35 Yay fixed it. Too bad there's no undo in internalz... Aug 09 14:52:33 holy crap you guys who haven't seen Tron Aug 09 14:52:36 I'm ashamed for you Aug 09 14:53:43 I can't believe they didn't name the sequel Troff Aug 09 14:58:23 Ya really, its a must see Aug 09 15:03:39 with all the people who have never seen Tron, how do I expect my joke of naming most of my main scenes mcp to work? Aug 09 15:06:19 my article "Introduction to WebOS Development, Part 1" for mobiletuts just made it over 1000 words .. 200 to go Aug 09 15:17:58 with all the people who have never seen Tron, how do I expect my joke of naming most of my main scenes mcp to work? <-- Just wait until Legacy comes out. Then they'll get the joke, AND if you want you can start cashing in smug points for liking Tron before it was "popular." :] Aug 09 15:18:21 heh Aug 09 15:18:27 Unless it bombs. In which case, disregard. Aug 09 15:18:41 yeah, I'm hoping it doesn't suck Aug 09 15:19:00 Me too. Aug 09 15:19:51 the trailer makes it look cool Aug 09 15:20:03 but how many times has that happened? ;) Aug 09 15:20:09 heh, exactly Aug 09 15:20:11 where the movie totally sucks Aug 09 15:20:25 The special effects should be better this time around although they were state of the art back then. Did you know tron 1 was filmed entirely in greenscreen? Minus the live action Aug 09 15:20:25 trying not to get my hopes up Aug 09 15:20:27 any gentoo users on this channel? Aug 09 15:21:00 Ihave Tron on DVD. I will be making the family watch it...again...before we see Legacy Aug 09 15:21:27 I'm actually gonna rent it soon Aug 09 15:21:28 \o/ tron \o/ Aug 09 15:21:41 Watch it again Aug 09 15:22:31 madnificent: nope .. got a question? Aug 09 15:22:43 madnificent: I'm lazy now so I run Ubuntu Aug 09 15:22:49 me too Aug 09 15:23:05 I was wondering how I could install the webos emulator on gentoo Aug 09 15:23:11 not because i'm lazy but because it runs well Aug 09 15:23:29 is gentoo debian-based? Aug 09 15:23:32 Gonna be preparing vars for a private beta over the next few days. Should have one by the end of the week Aug 09 15:23:35 sugardave: not by far Aug 09 15:23:38 oh Aug 09 15:23:41 :D Aug 09 15:24:17 Everyone but sugardave gets a copy yay Aug 09 15:24:20 it's one of the linux distributions that existed before the whole ubuntu craze :D Aug 09 15:24:32 what package format does it use? Aug 09 15:24:37 deb/rpm/... Aug 09 15:24:40 for the record: I don't have a problem with ubuntu Aug 09 15:24:45 He gets *5* copies!! Aug 09 15:24:56 i don't bash users on their selection of linux distro :) Aug 09 15:24:57 swisstomcat: .deb everything is compiled for your specific system on gentoo Aug 09 15:25:39 the general idea is that you can select the options you want for all the packages you have. Surprisingly, applications can really be tailored to your whishes with very little effort Aug 09 15:26:27 madnificent: I had thought about building gentoo on my ps3 long ago before yellow dog had their PPC stuff ready Aug 09 15:26:32 however, gentoo doesn't have a user base as big as debian/ubuntu Aug 09 15:26:36 but then, I had a moment of sanity Aug 09 15:26:43 sugardave: it sucked big time on the ps3 imho Aug 09 15:26:57 it's one of the linux distributions that existed before the whole ubuntu craze :D <-- this makes me sad. that all non-ubuntu distros have been effectively lumped into that massive phrase. Aug 09 15:27:20 you basically need to re_write_ apps to make use of the several cores in the PS3... so Aug 09 15:27:20 my first was slackware Aug 09 15:27:26 good times Aug 09 15:27:31 * Muhb high fives sugardave! Aug 09 15:27:33 :D Aug 09 15:27:34 http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=278769 Aug 09 15:27:37 Muhb: care to elaborate? Aug 09 15:27:44 that was my first distro as well Aug 09 15:28:05 * sugardave goes back to building datastores. Aug 09 15:28:18 my first was suse, back in tha days that getting X running was hard. And having seen X running was rare Aug 09 15:28:41 do you have a package for novacom etc on slackware? Aug 09 15:28:58 and is it a precompiled one? Aug 09 15:29:46 madnificent: It's nothing, I was just whining about ubuntu's popularity, haha. (Not that I dislike ubuntu.) Aug 09 15:29:59 ah, ok =P Aug 09 15:30:08 Rawr Aug 09 15:30:09 I was hoping on some kind of briliant insight ;_; Aug 09 15:34:40 My microphone light is on... it's listening to me... O_o Aug 09 15:34:43 must be the emulator... Aug 09 15:35:29 ...wait, if it uses the mic, can you actually make calls with that thing? over wifi maybe? haha Aug 09 15:37:05 are there VoIP clients for the pre? I'll only get mine somewhere later this week Aug 09 15:42:11 Madnificent: dkirker is building a voip app Aug 09 15:42:21 mornin' folkz Aug 09 15:42:29 Hey Aug 09 15:43:04 sup anivrom Aug 09 15:43:18 Anivrom|pre: open source, or closed source? Aug 09 15:43:30 Closed I; sure. Aug 09 15:43:43 :( Aug 09 15:43:53 Its part of his business Aug 09 15:44:02 A part* Aug 09 15:44:23 Anivrom|pre: I'm not going to dislike dkirker for it, but I dislike the fact that the app is closed Aug 09 15:44:48 Meh everyones gotta make money. Aug 09 15:45:05 i'm sure there will be more voip apps once the microphone api is available Aug 09 15:45:11 (officially) Aug 09 15:45:18 how do i do screencaps on the pre? sym and something right? Aug 09 15:45:28 And like I said he has a business in that area so think of it as a product not an app Aug 09 15:46:21 swisstomcat: it should be trivial once that api is there. Given that the PDK allows you to load recompiled unix libraries Aug 09 15:46:59 yeah Aug 09 15:47:12 lots of cool apps will be possible Aug 09 15:47:17 voice controlled, music search, ... Aug 09 15:47:50 madnificent: the plugin will be open source, some of the UI may be open source. Unfortunatly, I cannot release all of the JavaScript/Mojo as open source. Aug 09 15:48:16 dkirker: how will you make money out of it? Aug 09 15:48:39 madnificent: Uh, the same way that anybody else makes money off an app? Aug 09 15:48:43 dkirker: I really don't mind you making an app that's not open sourced. I just prefer apps which I can modify if needed Aug 09 15:48:56 dkirker: adds? or pricing? Aug 09 15:49:05 Priced in the app store. Aug 09 15:49:38 what protocols do you intend to support? Aug 09 15:50:08 SIP and RTP to start, SRTP later, and the basic (non-patented) voice codecs Aug 09 15:50:59 I gotta run to work. I'll be back online in about 30 minutes. Aug 09 15:51:12 Peace Aug 09 15:51:36 just asking as it might be of benefit to you. Can you support skype through the skype binary available for linux? I don't know if they have compiled a version for arm. Neither if they have support for CLI calling Aug 09 15:51:41 dkirker: enjoy! Aug 09 15:52:08 madnificent: I have toyed with supporting Skype, in some way or another. We'll see. :) Aug 09 15:52:41 dkirker-pre: contact skype! they may well like to help you if you somehow make the plugin accessible Aug 09 15:53:06 i'll have to give it a shot Aug 09 15:53:37 time to head out to web-monday .. cul8er Aug 09 16:14:39 Lol this guy has a 25 cent candy dispenser in his cubicle and actually keeps the money from colleagues that buy it. Ingenious Aug 09 16:14:59 wouldn't you? Aug 09 16:15:25 Yes. I'm saying its a smart business opportunity Aug 09 16:15:31 gotcha Aug 09 16:15:42 Make a couple bucks a day Aug 09 16:15:59 whos making pocket change? Aug 09 16:16:16 Lol this guy has a 25 cent candy dispenser in his cubicle and actually keeps the money from colleagues that buy it. Ingenious Aug 09 16:16:26 ah Aug 09 16:16:29 Nice Aug 09 16:16:33 Morning folks Aug 09 16:16:39 I charge a dollar per popcorn bag here Aug 09 16:17:01 We have a snack dispenser machine. Aug 09 16:17:05 the "fun sized" ones as well Aug 09 16:17:13 So no oppotunity there Aug 09 16:17:37 got my app rejected.... Aug 09 16:17:47 wrote back to palm... Aug 09 16:17:52 dundundunnnnnnn Aug 09 16:17:54 I've recently realized that palm has a ondevice ide! Aug 09 16:18:07 What q Aug 09 16:18:13 Was the reason Aug 09 16:20:13 oh dammit Aug 09 16:20:25 forgot my blank dvd's at home Aug 09 16:20:55 Aww sucks Aug 09 16:21:11 sticking linux on this here nettybook Aug 09 16:23:24 My last experience with linux was knoppix althoug I did use mandrake for a while *shudders* Aug 09 16:24:01 nah, this is straight ubuntu desktop Aug 09 16:24:09 Anivrom|pre: ondevuce ide? Aug 09 16:24:10 to lazy for anything else Aug 09 16:24:27 haeffb_pre: yes sir Aug 09 16:24:42 I call shenanigains Aug 09 16:25:22 A bit difficult to use but works fr simple changes during the day. You really have to know your code Aug 09 16:25:44 I know _a_ code.... thats good enough for me! Aug 09 16:25:51 you mean vi? Aug 09 16:26:04 screw nano on the pre Aug 09 16:26:06 konami code? Aug 09 16:26:11 it don't work right Aug 09 16:26:17 ewww, oil Aug 09 16:26:26 Internalz editing the source files directly Aug 09 16:26:35 ... Aug 09 16:26:40 that doesn't count Aug 09 16:26:41 ello folks Aug 09 16:26:46 Internalz is not packaged stiock Aug 09 16:26:49 stock Aug 09 16:26:53 Sure it does... Aug 09 16:27:00 vi is, though Aug 09 16:27:02 Never said it was srock Aug 09 16:27:04 Stock Aug 09 16:27:16 11:17 < Anivrom|pre> I've recently realized that palm has a ondevice ide! Aug 09 16:27:24 that's not Palm :P Aug 09 16:27:41 Ok so maybe I was a smidgent misleading Aug 09 16:27:58 It still works though Aug 09 16:28:15 yeah, but thats like saying the sun works as a toaster Aug 09 16:28:25 it does, just crappily Aug 09 16:28:58 Meh still works. Been doing some changes today that I'm gonna integrate when I get home Aug 09 16:29:54 ad. Aug 09 16:30:04 .da Aug 09 16:30:15 da. Aug 09 16:30:33 .ad? Aug 09 16:31:04 SHAZAM Aug 09 16:33:41 halfhalo_class: shazam \o/ Aug 09 16:34:07 So yea I figure if all goes well ill have a private beta by the end of this week Aug 09 16:34:46 It won't go well Aug 09 16:34:51 It won't Aug 09 16:35:14 a private beta of what? Aug 09 16:35:21 * Muhb just found a glitch in the pre plus Aug 09 16:35:45 My canvas game I've been working on for the past 3 weeks Aug 09 17:01:14 hrm Aug 09 17:06:11 * halfhalo_class is hating his office phone since it is so far away Aug 09 17:06:50 my office phones cord reaches to all corners of my office Aug 09 17:07:08 i guess that either means the cord is long, or my office is small, lol Aug 09 17:08:10 ha Aug 09 17:08:31 My office phone is wireless Aug 09 17:08:36 * Anivrom|pre doesn't have an office Aug 09 17:08:58 so your office is wireless as well? Aug 09 17:09:00 lol Aug 09 17:09:34 Yes sir Aug 09 17:09:47 I prefe to call it a 'mobile office' Aug 09 17:10:20 aka, laptop in the back of a van? Aug 09 17:11:44 Aka cellphone... Aug 09 17:18:45 stole ze office phone Aug 09 17:19:23 heh.. verizon tells me i have 3 phone upgrades available on my account.. but to use them i must pay my bill Aug 09 17:19:38 and it shows my current balance of $0.00 Aug 09 17:20:01 and when I call the 800 number, the recording tells me my balance of "zero dollars and zero cents must be paid TODAY" Aug 09 17:20:56 lol Aug 09 17:21:02 so, send them a check Aug 09 17:21:15 i tried doing a payment by credit card for 0.00 and it denied me Aug 09 17:21:25 i guess i could send them a couple bucks.. i just found it funny Aug 09 17:21:35 In scientific notation Aug 09 17:22:03 So they need a calc to figure out the cheque is for 0 dollars Aug 09 17:23:13 yeah.. $1 fixed it.. now i have a credit of $1.. Aug 09 17:28:41 * Anivrom|pre is scared to eat what stoffers is calling ' turkey and stuffing' Aug 09 17:38:25 sounds delicious Aug 09 17:41:53 Want that bad actually. Better than the michaelinas sheppards pie which was almost impossible to eat Aug 09 17:42:19 Sorry, was easy to eat.. Just hard to keep down Aug 09 17:43:29 Hey all! Aug 09 17:43:32 Anivrom|pre! Aug 09 17:43:49 Word up homie g dawg Aug 09 17:43:53 Yo yo Aug 09 17:44:23 I'm a bonified gangsta what what Aug 09 17:44:55 Like will smith yo Aug 09 17:45:04 That's hardcore Aug 09 17:45:22 isn't will smith soft hull or something? Aug 09 17:46:22 Nah he's hardcore gangsta straight outta da hood of philly hollaaaa Aug 09 17:46:46 fresh prince Aug 09 17:47:04 Love that show Aug 09 17:47:24 yeah, 't was fun for the first 3 replays or so Aug 09 17:47:49 Back up! Back up! Just mind ya budiness just mind ya budiness that's all Aug 09 17:48:54 " you see what happened was..... And DEN!..... So you see uncle phil it really wasn't my fault Aug 09 17:49:07 :P Aug 09 17:49:21 I know oil is in this era Aug 09 17:49:49 He can quote many a fresh prince episodes I'm sure Aug 09 17:50:57 carlton's dance! Aug 09 17:51:16 * Anivrom|pre has the sudden urge to watch steve porter youtube videos Aug 09 17:53:01 So Aug 09 17:53:06 Guess what I finished? Aug 09 17:54:04 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgvRfmo8Ock&feature=youtube_gdata Aug 09 17:54:28 Stuff? Aug 09 17:58:36 So anyways Aug 09 17:59:29 hoo Aug 09 17:59:39 kes-dawg, what's the extent of your openGL knowledge Aug 09 17:59:49 torchie: call me kesne Aug 09 17:59:50 please Aug 09 17:59:53 for the love of god Aug 09 18:00:17 Or not really for the love of god Aug 09 18:00:24 Maybe just because I told you to Aug 09 18:00:48 but anyways, mine is small, but the prez of the company knows stuff. why? Aug 09 18:02:20 chuqui: have you looked at vanilla forums for the forum replacement? Aug 09 18:02:35 halfhalo_class yes. Aug 09 18:02:36 with my project I've been needing a bit of opengl help Aug 09 18:02:54 I'm sort of winging it, and it's this mess of cargo cult immediate mode code Aug 09 18:03:01 vanilla's on my short list, actually. Aug 09 18:03:07 he Aug 09 18:03:08 h Aug 09 18:03:30 I'm tying it into my main auth system right now for my own site Aug 09 18:04:57 vanilla 2 is a nice release. I like it. Aug 09 18:05:08 yeah Aug 09 18:05:24 I have an issue with the default stuff though Aug 09 18:05:59 it messes with the search box when you login vs when you are not logged in, at least in chrome and with the dashboard present Aug 09 18:10:16 in a multi-stage app, how do i access the document? Aug 09 18:10:29 I want to listen to orientation changes Aug 09 18:15:42 is each stage a separate documenr? Aug 09 18:16:01 is actually only one stage Aug 09 18:16:13 this.controller.document? Aug 09 18:16:27 chuqui: Why are you changing the forum? Aug 09 18:16:32 Mojo.Event.listen(this.controller.document, Mojo.Event.orientationChange, this.handleOrientation.bind(this)); doesn't seem to work Aug 09 18:16:52 MetaView! Aug 09 18:16:58 torchie: Just keep winging it Aug 09 18:17:08 wing hard bro Aug 09 18:17:13 kesne: yes? Aug 09 18:17:51 MetaView: Just saying hello Aug 09 18:18:47 ah, helllo :) Aug 09 18:19:14 haeffb_pre: works now Aug 09 18:19:31 it's 'orientationchange' appearently Aug 09 18:22:07 Anybody want to finish this app for me? Aug 09 18:22:38 which app? Aug 09 18:22:46 Checkers 2.2 Aug 09 18:22:54 Most of what I have left is PHP Aug 09 18:23:23 lol Aug 09 18:25:30 because the existing one doesn't do a lot we want it to do Aug 09 18:25:53 aka its crap! Aug 09 18:25:54 chuqui: like what? Aug 09 18:26:24 Bloody game studios and their feeling the need to use ALL the pre's memory and invoke tmc's on usinnocent end users Aug 09 18:26:35 stuff. Aug 09 18:26:38 Hehe Aug 09 18:26:42 Anivrom|pre: Not me :) Aug 09 18:26:50 Anivrom|pre: The guys that did Galcon did a good job Aug 09 18:28:30 chuqui: secret stuff? Aug 09 18:28:48 stuff Aug 09 18:28:51 Anivrom|pre: you could edit the appinfo.json and define a lower memory need Aug 09 18:28:59 that stuff involves monkeysamirite? Aug 09 18:29:02 don't know if it would help :) Aug 09 18:29:28 how well does the js interpreter optimize? Aug 09 18:29:43 chuqui: Like, say, allowing the download manager to download files into the apps dir? Aug 09 18:29:52 stuff. Aug 09 18:29:54 if I use a loop where I always calc a/b, will it be precalced? Aug 09 18:30:25 chuqui: Your mom Aug 09 18:30:42 phht Aug 09 18:30:59 oh god... not this again Aug 09 18:31:09 So, I've given up on the checkers store until I can download stuff the the apps dir Aug 09 18:31:25 checkers store? Aug 09 18:31:25 lol Aug 09 18:31:40 yessir Aug 09 18:31:48 The framework is done Aug 09 18:32:04 what, so you can charge for new board/piece art? Aug 09 18:32:29 It's a free shop, ATM Aug 09 18:32:35 lol Aug 09 18:32:41 so, you plan to charge for such things Aug 09 18:32:49 No plans to, no Aug 09 18:33:30 "its a free shop at the moment" implied plans to not be free in the future Aug 09 18:34:02 No plans to, but there is potential to Aug 09 18:36:25 It was hard enough getting the free shop done Aug 09 18:36:35 And I'm still waiting on webOS 2.0 for it Aug 09 18:40:00 is there any information about webos 2.0 available? Aug 09 18:40:16 madnificent: end of the year Aug 09 18:40:29 * madnificent would like hurd to stay at hp Aug 09 18:41:20 hurd? Aug 09 18:42:37 hp's past ceo Aug 09 18:42:58 ah Aug 09 18:42:59 why? Aug 09 18:43:42 he's arguably done the best non-violent moves hp has done in the past 10 years or so Aug 09 18:44:23 webos + hp will likely mean loads of new web-standards, as hp has everything to create those standards. There is no single other company that offers the range of products hp offers Aug 09 18:45:04 if hp then decides to interconnect those devices, then hp gets a 3 year head-start versus other companies on those standards, but we get standards nonetheless Aug 09 18:48:46 the best part of hurd was that he didn't seem to make moves to kill half of the industry for HP's own benefit. All big moves he made seem to be guided by the benefit of hp's scale in the market. Aug 09 18:54:42 compared to the terrible choices fiorina made Aug 09 18:57:43 Is there any way that I can grab the contents of a webview? Aug 09 19:04:42 "your app has been submitted" Aug 09 19:05:58 Yay! Aug 09 19:06:01 What app? Aug 09 19:06:12 Hmm how long does it take to setup a business and get your tax number so you can make money off a submitted app? Aug 09 19:06:22 dawm_: Aug 09 19:06:26 kesne: no grabbing of the contents of a WebView Aug 09 19:06:37 Anivrom|pre: Few days Aug 09 19:06:42 Anivrom|pre: If I recall Aug 09 19:06:56 sugardave: Darn. Well then how the hell can I do payment integration Aug 09 19:07:09 node.js and paypal xauth Aug 09 19:07:20 si senor! Aug 09 19:07:24 or look at word ace Aug 09 19:07:28 and see how they handle it Aug 09 19:07:30 How does wordace do it Aug 09 19:07:36 I don't know Aug 09 19:07:45 but I know they have paypal integration somehow Aug 09 19:10:00 sugardave: Damn them~ Aug 09 19:10:07 blarg Aug 09 19:10:11 I'm really frustrated Aug 09 19:10:27 I don't think paypal does oauth, so you're screwed there Aug 09 19:10:40 Any way that I can have a website push to my app? Aug 09 19:11:11 hahaha Aug 09 19:11:31 chuqui: how's Mojo Messaging coming along? Aug 09 19:11:42 MMS, I want that Aug 09 19:11:56 nothing new to report Aug 09 19:11:58 that is how you get to-app push Aug 09 19:12:04 yet, we still do not have it Aug 09 19:13:05 kesne: paypal has some streamlined api, check them out Aug 09 19:13:25 I haven't gotten around to it yet, because I don't have any apps that need purchasing ability....yet Aug 09 19:15:14 Got it Aug 09 19:15:25 WordAce just throws up a webview Aug 09 19:15:57 No need to grab the content, they just update the users account through a redirect Aug 09 19:15:59 Simple Aug 09 19:16:04 I should do/try that Aug 09 19:16:06 tada Aug 09 19:17:01 sugardave: what is the app your working on? Aug 09 19:17:34 * sugardave is working two contracts and one personal project. Aug 09 19:17:58 personal project might hit the beta feeds at the end of the week Aug 09 19:18:13 Nice avoidance of the question. You should get into politics Aug 09 19:18:32 * sugardave bows. Aug 09 19:19:02 I haven't put an app in the catalog since last November :O Aug 09 19:19:13 things have changed siginificantly Aug 09 19:19:19 all these feeds.... Aug 09 19:19:22 sugardave: Whole new system Aug 09 19:19:26 Wait Aug 09 19:19:28 maybe Aug 09 19:19:31 November.... Aug 09 19:19:38 yeah, all the stuff is new Aug 09 19:19:44 In november there was that old system Aug 09 19:19:47 November it was still "in beta" Aug 09 19:19:50 Then they migrated to the new one Aug 09 19:19:59 I remember the old old system, heh Aug 09 19:20:09 good times Aug 09 19:20:39 Indeed Aug 09 19:21:51 Yea I totally remember those times. Aug 09 19:22:01 Liak ... Alot Aug 09 19:22:17 And they were indeed good Aug 09 19:22:32 * Anivrom|pre tries to fit in Aug 09 19:23:04 did I see you get frustrated with Ares last night? :P Aug 09 19:23:12 Haha Aug 09 19:23:24 Maybe <_< Aug 09 19:24:12 I can neither confirm nor deny the possibility that I definitely migt have gotten a little bit frustated with said IDE last night Aug 09 19:28:12 Okay Aug 09 19:28:15 What happened was actually a really troubling glitch. Ares somehow reverted to a state of code that was several undo states ago... A lot, and added some random characters in the code for good measure, the first tim this happened I got mad and tried to rem Aug 09 19:28:15 ember what I had written. The second time it happened I decided to closehat code window and load it up. Well it atleast restored my code back to the last time I saved with that method. But recently I haven't beem saving as often as I should, so yeah. Firs Aug 09 19:28:15 t time its done that Aug 09 19:28:25 Finally, I got it Aug 09 19:29:32 Guess that's my cue to start saving before every launch again Aug 09 19:31:14 remember, Jesus saves Aug 09 19:31:50 Hey I'm a christian so I actually believe that Aug 09 19:31:50 sugardave: 'afternoon Aug 09 19:32:09 Tibfib: hi-lo Aug 09 19:32:24 Anivrom|pre: 'afternoon Aug 09 19:32:32 Raining so hard here. Hey tubfub Aug 09 19:32:34 Hahah Aug 09 19:32:37 Tibfib Aug 09 19:33:05 heh, I thought it was on purpose Aug 09 19:33:37 I would never say such hurtful things on puposr Aug 09 19:34:22 Or on purpose Aug 09 19:34:22 You tap "Buy Now" -> Requests server with paypal url and and post info -> opens up sliding buy-now window with webview for the paypal shtuff -> starts a "done buying loop" -> You pay -> redirects to our server with username, sets "bought" value to true in database -> loop detects the true value, closes window, starts theme download Aug 09 19:34:55 profit! Aug 09 19:35:04 your plan has too many steps, though Aug 09 19:35:11 Profitssssss Aug 09 19:35:32 sugardave: what's wrong with that? Aug 09 19:35:34 Kesne: to simplify just use Mojo.magic(); Aug 09 19:35:41 * sugardave is approximately 1/4 finished with the initial datastore for this app. Aug 09 19:35:46 that's a lot of freaking JSON to set up Aug 09 19:35:50 maik: PING Aug 09 19:35:57 Tibfib: pong Aug 09 19:36:04 where's dekan?> Aug 09 19:36:04 sugardave: That's like, no JSON Aug 09 19:36:14 YAY! Aug 09 19:36:19 he doesn't want to start for some reason. keeps getting no ident response Aug 09 19:36:25 and then just disconnects Aug 09 19:36:35 kesne: not your thing...my thing Aug 09 19:36:46 Oh, right Aug 09 19:36:47 my bad Aug 09 19:36:56 maik: :/ Aug 09 19:37:03 working on it Aug 09 19:41:11 * sugardave wonders why the Big East conference is so fucked up. Aug 09 19:50:44 yo yo yo Aug 09 19:51:31 Robdor: dynamic text is killing my framerate. does your game use dynamic text anywhere? Aug 09 19:52:17 and Maryland has totally messed up part of my code with their whole "we have 4 [...] instead of 2 like everybody else, yay us!" Aug 09 19:52:45 codeslaw_: I do, but I'm using a texture mapped font so performance is pretty good. Aug 09 19:52:51 blah Aug 09 19:53:01 SDL pisses me off sometimes Aug 09 19:53:13 well, actually, pretty much all the time Aug 09 19:53:37 I know how you feel. :) Aug 09 19:53:52 why on earth would i want to allocate a new surface for every text update? Aug 09 19:56:07 Every update in your game loop or every time you modify the text? Aug 09 19:56:39 modify the text Aug 09 19:57:14 can't be faster than passing in a reference to a surface and having it render to that, right? Aug 09 19:58:28 How often do you modify the text? I would assume that rendering to a surface that you have already set up would be faster. But then again, I don't know much about SDL. Aug 09 19:58:49 i'm changing the tempo modification Aug 09 19:59:02 such that when you drag with two fingers, a little popup appears that tells you the exact BPM Aug 09 19:59:16 and you can move your fingers up/down to adjust it, nice and precise Aug 09 19:59:22 with double buffering, it might just be faster in total speed if you know that a surface can't just change... Aug 09 19:59:27 so, it updates with every finger movement Aug 09 19:59:56 evening Aug 09 20:00:02 hi swisstomcat Aug 09 20:02:47 sugardave: would you like to look at a draft of my "introduction the webos development" article and give some feedback? Aug 09 20:03:03 sure! Aug 09 20:03:11 email? Aug 09 20:03:17 sugardave at gmail Aug 09 20:03:20 k Aug 09 20:03:35 codeslaw_: You could create 10 surfaces with the numbers 0-9. Then pass in a reference to those surfaces in your loop and just build the number yourself by blitting those surfaces multiple times. Aug 09 20:04:04 Robdor: yes... yes i could. i might have to if there is no other way to keep framerate usable Aug 09 20:04:10 sugardave: sent Aug 09 20:04:22 k Aug 09 20:04:27 codeslaw: i've played with songwave some more and i enjoy it Aug 09 20:06:21 swisstomcat: awesome man, looking to improve, and launch this week Aug 09 20:07:05 Hey all Aug 09 20:09:25 ooo, what's palm-hasheader Aug 09 20:09:39 does that make it where you don't have to include palm-header-spacer? Aug 09 20:09:51 codeslaw_: Are you going to allow saving an mp3 from SongWave? That would be really cool. Aug 09 20:10:38 save-as-ringtone Aug 09 20:11:21 Robdor: i would like to, but am currently unaware of how i can do that Aug 09 20:11:48 need to look into some encoding libs i guess.. Aug 09 20:12:53 swisstomcat: over all, looks good....the first glaring thing I'd change is WebOS should be webOS Aug 09 20:12:59 Fun Aug 09 20:13:02 oh, dang Aug 09 20:13:12 s/WebOS/webOS Aug 09 20:13:37 and also, from command line, palm-install won't actually run the app :D Aug 09 20:13:53 need a palm-launch appId after that step Aug 09 20:14:18 hmm Aug 09 20:14:21 - palm-install com.yourdomain.helloworld_1.0.0_all.ipk Aug 09 20:14:21 Launch the application in the emulator Aug 09 20:14:27 I'm pretty sure Aug 09 20:14:37 let me see, though Aug 09 20:14:39 guess i could add "by clicking it's icon in the launcher" Aug 09 20:14:47 -.ipk Aug 09 20:14:48 no, it doesn't launch it Aug 09 20:15:01 swisstomcat: may I review? Aug 09 20:15:09 sure Aug 09 20:15:36 I can't put on my full edit hat right now, but technically it's sound Aug 09 20:15:37 later 2night... Aug 09 20:15:43 Ooo pick me pick me Aug 09 20:16:00 what is it? Aug 09 20:16:10 top secret Aug 09 20:16:21 Heh Aug 09 20:16:22 re-done in ASCII for webOS Aug 09 20:16:41 mail sent, haeffb Aug 09 20:16:53 got it Aug 09 20:20:27 BLARG Aug 09 20:20:31 Who wants to make some money? Aug 09 20:20:55 who doesn't? Aug 09 20:21:16 money? bah Aug 09 20:21:24 swisstomcat: a usable instead of an usable Aug 09 20:21:49 where? Aug 09 20:23:11 how much money are we talking about, and is it legal to do in the continental US? Aug 09 20:23:17 First line or something Aug 09 20:23:56 d CSS, while Controllers *that* control the Aug 09 20:24:27 good catch Aug 09 20:25:14 found the other typo too, thanks Aug 09 20:27:09 any other comments? Aug 09 20:27:17 I will pay somebody to work payment integration into this monster Aug 09 20:27:59 I think the paypal API is pretty good Aug 09 20:28:47 Tibfib: Great, so write something for me Aug 09 20:29:16 across all available applications *in the app catalogue or even on the device* Aug 09 20:29:20 I'm pretty sure it will write the code for you. Aug 09 20:29:29 like there's a code generator Aug 09 20:29:45 Anybody want my Hulu Plus invite? Aug 09 20:30:03 kesne: does it cost money Aug 09 20:30:10 codeslaw_: 9.99 per month Aug 09 20:30:13 kesne: $10K, I'll do it Aug 09 20:30:28 what do you get with Plus? Aug 09 20:30:29 sugardave: For huluplus, or the store thingy? Aug 09 20:30:35 store thing Aug 09 20:30:35 codeslaw_: google Aug 09 20:30:39 $9k Aug 09 20:30:45 codeslaw: nothing. reallllllllly Aug 09 20:30:47 8999k Aug 09 20:30:53 what is this "google" Aug 09 20:31:02 $10K AND the knowledge it was written by me Aug 09 20:31:06 only notable thing is integration on other devices Aug 09 20:31:13 ooooh Aug 09 20:31:17 you can't really put a price on that Aug 09 20:31:29 i'm out Aug 09 20:31:32 haha Aug 09 20:31:41 Pfft $1 and the knowledge that you allowed me to undercut sugardave Aug 09 20:31:56 Haha Aug 09 20:32:05 do you really want evil canadians controlling your payment code? Aug 09 20:32:06 I doubt it Aug 09 20:32:48 Shouldn't you be outside hanging american flags sugardave? Aug 09 20:33:18 it's so hot out there Aug 09 20:33:33 i can vouch for that Aug 09 20:33:38 it is miserably hot in texas right now Aug 09 20:33:59 Wheres that american patriotism we make fun of you guys for? Aug 09 20:34:00 yeah, it's time to begin losing our rainfall surplus for the year Aug 09 20:34:05 Jo Aug 09 20:34:26 real patriots would be considered traitors these days, so, yeah... Aug 09 20:34:35 Jo = premature enter key Aug 09 20:34:53 Yeah really. America is so twisted now Aug 09 20:35:01 Anivrom|pre: Hah Aug 09 20:35:20 I blame it on whenever they decided to start paying Congress members Aug 09 20:35:45 congressman salary is nothing compared to the "perks" recieved from corporate lobbyists Aug 09 20:36:10 Everything is upside down. Especially the whole arizona immigration fiasco with your joke of a president. We won't allow you to do our job, so we're gonna invade nd not do it for you Aug 09 20:36:20 salary, pension, all that....no term limits, that was a bad idea Aug 09 20:36:49 ya Aug 09 20:37:04 yeah, not sure how this AZ thing is blowing up, from what I understand their law mirrors the actual federal law...so what, again, is the problem? Aug 09 20:37:30 Yeah exactly Aug 09 20:37:46 Just a powertrip from the wite house Aug 09 20:38:03 plutocracy Aug 09 20:38:23 And the fact that this politically correct garbage has been taken waaaaaaaaaaay waaaaaay waaaaaaaaaaay too far. Its disgusting. Aug 09 20:38:25 all I can do is what I've done for the last 16 years....vote stright-party Libertarian and where no candidate exists, vote against the incumbent Aug 09 20:38:27 * kesne is afk. Ping me if you need me Aug 09 20:38:28 every time Aug 09 20:39:39 I actuall heard on "the news" some administration official claiming the way out of our financial troubles is foreign exports....well, guess what, asshole? we don't make anything here anymore Aug 09 20:39:59 * Tibfib wishes there was a way in gmail to check multiple emails and say reply to all. Aug 09 20:40:00 One of my favouritw quotes which adequately describes this situation as it pertains to politically correctness is "if you don't stand for something you'll fall for everything" Aug 09 20:40:17 yeah, that's about right Aug 09 20:41:12 * sugardave tries to reign it in before the channel dies. Aug 09 20:42:15 I listen to a show almost everyday that talks about things in america that are deviating from morals and what the country was founded on. Aug 09 20:42:47 So I know quite a bit about your laws/president/goings ons Aug 09 20:43:22 Especially your politics... Scary Aug 09 20:43:53 I feel sorry for you guys and your new amazing obamacare Aug 09 20:44:21 I agree with the concept, not the implementation Aug 09 20:46:13 I'm amazed at how flippantly your president lies to the people over and over. Abortion will not be covered in this bill.... Guess what, it is, and it was when you said that, and your own party members were saying it Aug 09 20:46:36 sigh, when will people understand the President is nothing but a face Aug 09 20:46:48 a face holding the nuke button Aug 09 20:46:56 He's more than a face Aug 09 20:47:10 He still holds the greatest power Aug 09 20:47:39 so Aug 09 20:47:41 meh Aug 09 20:47:44 Especially one with the gift of persuasion Aug 09 20:47:55 * Tibfib pokes dekan Aug 09 20:48:02 Everything you get comes from one side Aug 09 20:48:08 ...dangit Aug 09 20:48:10 This is what one of my designers gave me for the new website: http://i650.photobucket.com/albums/uu229/kesne/KS-design-rough1.png Aug 09 20:48:16 And the american people just sit there like lemmings Aug 09 20:48:21 Walking off the ledge Aug 09 20:48:23 lulz Aug 09 20:48:26 lol lemmings Aug 09 20:49:12 Yes its a paradox, they sit here yet they are walking... Aug 09 20:49:21 There* Aug 09 20:49:48 I don't think you know what you are saying Aug 09 20:49:54 kesne: is this a wireframe, or a comp? Aug 09 20:49:59 it doesn't matter as long as we all have access to TV so we can see who might progress to the next level of American Idol Aug 09 20:50:18 codeslaw_: I wish I knew Aug 09 20:50:30 it's got problems Aug 09 20:50:36 if it's a comp Aug 09 20:50:49 and No Child Left Behind makes sure that all children graduate...it doesn't matter if they can read, spell, or perform basic mathematics Aug 09 20:50:53 they still graduated! Aug 09 20:50:55 win! Aug 09 20:51:08 balance is off, calls to action are hidden Aug 09 20:51:22 some typography issues Aug 09 20:51:23 the top is cut off Aug 09 20:51:30 The internet was created so in the event of a nuclear war the government would still have access to pornography Aug 09 20:51:35 unless that's a feature Aug 09 20:51:37 information hierarchy is off Aug 09 20:51:50 lol Aug 09 20:51:54 well that is very important ya know Aug 09 20:51:54 swisstomcat: I think that top cut off is purposeful. Aug 09 20:51:58 though I'm not sure. Aug 09 20:52:02 but it looks weird Aug 09 20:52:05 I know Aug 09 20:53:08 Be back in a bit. Elevator then "just got home from work" stuff Aug 09 20:53:34 I think I'm going to fire this guy Aug 09 20:54:46 torchie: get 1.4.5 yet? Aug 09 20:54:54 sprint? Aug 09 20:55:20 is that who you have? Aug 09 20:55:26 I have them, too Aug 09 20:56:10 ping warpdesign_ Aug 09 20:58:32 yeah Aug 09 20:58:43 good ol sprint Aug 09 20:58:46 and the pre minus Aug 09 21:05:29 * AnivromHatesAres just got a text from bell telling him he gets 2 free months of call display Aug 09 21:05:35 * AnivromHatesAres does'nt have call display Aug 09 21:05:45 but now he does Aug 09 21:05:46 lol Aug 09 21:05:56 \o/ Aug 09 21:06:07 I'm over it Aug 09 21:06:51 hah Aug 09 21:06:54 We're lovers again Aug 09 21:07:12 good to hear Aug 09 21:07:14 my fingers are freezing Aug 09 21:09:41 Lolol Aug 09 21:09:43 hahaha Aug 09 21:09:46 Rofl Aug 09 21:09:47 lmfao Aug 09 21:11:48 AnivromLovesAres: Hey Aug 09 21:11:58 worq gui? Aug 09 21:12:13 god... I really don;t want to do this.... Aug 09 21:13:29 oh snap forgot about that Aug 09 21:13:47 hey...it's National Polka Day Aug 09 21:14:07 brb Aug 09 21:25:52 torchie: lol @ pre minus Aug 09 21:25:58 got one myself Aug 09 21:26:13 * madnificent is still waiting for his pre minus Aug 09 21:28:41 dangit. why isn't the browser included in the sdk? Aug 09 21:28:59 :) Aug 09 21:29:55 which browser? Aug 09 21:31:54 the pre one Aug 09 21:31:59 (web) Aug 09 21:36:18 i'm off, goodn8 everyone Aug 09 21:36:43 swisstomcat: night Aug 09 21:39:06 asdf Aug 09 21:42:04 ba, Aug 09 21:42:05 m Aug 09 21:43:07 Anivrom|devMode: Aug 09 21:43:45 * Anivrom|devMode just remembered about pixi compatibility and cries Aug 09 21:43:51 * Tibfib has tweeted more in the past 20 minutes than he has in his entire life. Aug 09 21:44:18 Anivrom|devMode: heh, have fun :) Aug 09 21:44:28 :( Aug 09 21:44:44 games are pains in the butt for pixi compatibility Aug 09 21:45:16 HEY EVYERONE! Aug 09 21:45:37 WANNA KNOW WHAT APP Anivrom|devMode IS WORKING ON!? Aug 09 21:46:24 Well too bad Aug 09 21:46:26 I don't know Aug 09 21:46:28 LoneStar99!! Aug 09 21:46:45 howdy... Aug 09 21:47:33 LoneStar99: Figure that thing out? Aug 09 21:47:42 anyone have their pixi or pre handy? Aug 09 21:48:05 nope... i can hear streamed radio, but those files Aug 09 21:48:09 I do Aug 09 21:48:24 what version of os are you using? Aug 09 21:48:47 2.0 here Aug 09 21:48:49 2.0 Aug 09 21:48:51 Hah Aug 09 21:48:55 Tibfib beat me to it Aug 09 21:49:09 2.0? Aug 09 21:49:10 <--- 3.0 Alpha release Aug 09 21:49:16 Damn you! Aug 09 21:49:23 Makes my freakin bed in the morning Aug 09 21:50:04 Anivrom|devMode has 1.4.5, and so does Tibfib. Aug 09 21:50:11 * Anivrom|devMode deflates Aug 09 21:51:34 That reminds me Aug 09 21:51:37 Anivrom|devMode: can you test this link on your device: http://urloid.com/mp31 Aug 09 21:52:16 opens up streaming Aug 09 21:52:31 then closes streaming Aug 09 21:52:37 do u hear anything? Aug 09 21:52:40 yea Aug 09 21:52:50 what does it say? Aug 09 21:52:56 didnt listen that hard Aug 09 21:56:04 Tibfib: can you test this link and tell me if you hear something: http://uoid.me/bobchatter7 Aug 09 21:57:28 Tibfib: in your pre or pixi... Aug 09 21:57:39 worked Aug 09 21:57:49 "this is text to voice" something Aug 09 21:59:10 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttlwwPy2XnE&feature=related uberChill song Aug 09 22:03:02 Tibfib: and u ar using 1.4.5? Aug 09 22:03:16 yes Aug 09 22:06:48 fucker Aug 09 22:07:10 O_O Aug 09 22:07:21 kesne: was that you? Aug 09 22:07:22 I'm sorry? Aug 09 22:08:22 * maik pats dekan Aug 09 22:08:22 * dekan purrrrrrrrrr Aug 09 22:08:23 What? Aug 09 22:08:28 maik: What? Aug 09 22:08:46 nevermind Aug 09 22:09:26 TELL ME Aug 09 22:09:28 dekan: Hey Aug 09 22:09:29 WZUP kesne! Aug 09 22:09:30 no Aug 09 22:09:37 dekan: Invintory Aug 09 22:09:38 I don't know anything about that. Aug 09 22:09:45 dekan: inventory Aug 09 22:09:45 * dekan is carrying nothing. Aug 09 22:09:48 :O Aug 09 22:09:54 * Anivrom|devMode gives dekan The Sugardavian Guide to "s Aug 09 22:09:55 * dekan is now carrying The Sugardavian Guide to "s. Aug 09 22:09:56 * kesne gives dekan a used condom Aug 09 22:09:57 GGS Aug 09 22:09:57 Okay, kesne. Aug 09 22:09:58 FFS Aug 09 22:10:03 hah Aug 09 22:10:09 how do I create a factoid to get rid of that Aug 09 22:10:10 dekan: drop The Sugardavian Aug 09 22:10:11 A thousand apologies, effendi, but I do not understand. Aug 09 22:10:14 good question Aug 09 22:10:23 dekan: give me The Sugardavian Guide to "s Aug 09 22:10:23 it was in the manual Aug 09 22:10:23 Can't talk, zombies! Aug 09 22:10:29 dekan: drop The Sugardavian Guide to "s Aug 09 22:10:30 I do not know. Aug 09 22:10:33 create a factoid with that name Aug 09 22:10:34 dekan: docs Aug 09 22:10:34 My documentation is at: http://wiki.xkcd.com/irc/Bucket Aug 09 22:11:07 dekan: literal inventory Aug 09 22:11:08 I'm sorry, there's currently nothing associated with that keyphrase. Aug 09 22:11:40 dekan: halfhalo is special. talk slowly Aug 09 22:11:41 Okay, Tibfib. Aug 09 22:11:52 dekan: halfhalo Aug 09 22:11:53 halfhalo is special. talk slowly Aug 09 22:12:23 dekan what os is your pre or pixi running? Aug 09 22:12:30 sorry os version? Aug 09 22:12:38 LoneStar99: dekan is a bot Aug 09 22:12:42 dekan: are you a bot? Aug 09 22:12:43 i'm not a bot! kesne is a bot! Aug 09 22:12:56 lol Aug 09 22:13:18 scoobysnack Aug 09 22:13:18 Scoobydoobeedoo! Aug 09 22:13:24 i have bubbles on my back, got to much sun on thursday Aug 09 22:13:52 dekan: 1.4.5 Aug 09 22:13:52 1.4.5 is never coming Aug 09 22:13:55 dekan: inventory Aug 09 22:13:55 I am carrying nothing. Aug 09 22:14:01 dekan: is 1.4.5 out yet? Aug 09 22:14:02 GIVE IT A REST, WILL YA!? Aug 09 22:14:54 http://i.imgur.com/JiPqw.jpg lol Aug 09 22:15:22 hahaha Aug 09 22:15:27 such a good look Aug 09 22:15:30 hahha Aug 09 22:16:25 have links that on click turn red, how i change that color... Aug 09 22:16:35 a:active I believe Aug 09 22:16:36 with css Aug 09 22:17:04 :active is when its pressed … so yes Aug 09 22:17:24 :visited is ...well visited Aug 09 22:17:33 deliciousmorsel: a:active {} ?? Aug 09 22:17:35 * Anivrom|devMode is eating 2 deluxe mccain pizza pockets Aug 09 22:17:45 well i wouldn't just do a:active Aug 09 22:17:48 mccain... pizza pockets? Aug 09 22:17:49 cause that will get all anchors Aug 09 22:17:50 and drinking coca-cola Aug 09 22:17:51 something like Aug 09 22:18:02 dekan, inception is http://i.imgur.com/JiPqw.jpg Aug 09 22:18:02 Okay, Tibfib. Aug 09 22:18:06 .divcontaininglinks a:active { color: purple; } Aug 09 22:18:09 heh Aug 09 22:18:21 deliciousmorsel: ok thanks Aug 09 22:19:47 this pizza pocket is cold Aug 09 22:19:51 * Anivrom|devMode shrugs Aug 09 22:19:54 Darn! Aug 09 22:19:56 * Mousey noms Aug 09 22:19:56 * Anivrom|devMode nom nom nom Aug 09 22:20:21 Anivrom|devMode: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkUbqmS9TWI Aug 09 22:20:43 there is another way Aug 09 22:20:54 are you doing this for a webos app? Aug 09 22:21:20 i tend to use x-mojo-tap-highlight="momentary" instead of :active Aug 09 22:21:37 since after your finger is lifted it keeps the .selected class on the element for a half a second after Aug 09 22:21:53 which is good if the person's finger covers the whole entire element Aug 09 22:21:55 deliciousmorsel: ok that worked perfectly Aug 09 22:21:58 and they can't tell if they clicked it Aug 09 22:22:11 cause it immediately goes away once its no longer clicked Aug 09 22:22:14 with :active Aug 09 22:22:24 just for better ui… i use x-mojo-tap-highlight="momentary" Aug 09 22:23:55 deliciousmorsel: ? Aug 09 22:24:59 that means the div will get teh .selected class Aug 09 22:25:09 i personally wouldn't even use an achor tag Aug 09 22:25:11 i'd just do this Aug 09 22:25:27
click here
Aug 09 22:25:48 then do .something.selected { color: aqua; } Aug 09 22:25:58 and yes aqua is the best color ever. Aug 09 22:26:14 of course if you need it inline Aug 09 22:26:14 deliciousmorsel: awesome thanks Aug 09 22:26:17 use a span instead of a div Aug 09 22:26:23 those are BOTH faster than an achor Aug 09 22:26:41 since anchor has some additional browser hooks that do some evaluation and take longer to process Aug 09 22:27:24 albeit a very small amount more of time to process Aug 09 22:27:53 hmmm Aug 09 22:28:01 how is openid support on webos... Aug 09 22:28:56 as in implemenation on your own app? Aug 09 22:29:02 deliciousmorsel: ok great thanks implementing now Aug 09 22:29:29 inside apps Aug 09 22:30:02 like apps made by palm or other developers? Aug 09 22:30:08 cause the API has no hooks for that Aug 09 22:30:21 devs... I just want to know how hard it would be Aug 09 22:30:36 so they would have been developed by those devs Aug 09 22:31:18 okay, app now supports the stupid maryland terps and their "we're different and special" attention-whoriness Aug 09 22:32:26 lol Aug 09 22:32:36 halfhalo_class: oauth took me a weekend to get working Aug 09 22:32:43 but I don't know anything about openid Aug 09 22:33:18 only reason I want to know is because I threw up an openid server to use to auth people on my site Aug 09 22:33:52 deliciousmorsel: does this work click here Aug 09 22:33:59 as long as it doesn't require a callback url, piece of cake Aug 09 22:35:09 yeah Aug 09 22:35:25 LoneStar99: should work just fine Aug 09 22:38:27 deliciousmorsel: what if i have click click etc..... Aug 09 22:38:41 yup should work Aug 09 22:38:46 k testing Aug 09 22:38:48 so if you did .something.selected Aug 09 22:38:57 that means both would have the ability to get colored Aug 09 22:39:00 or whatever you wanan do Aug 09 22:39:08 maybe you wanna make the background flash Aug 09 22:39:10 lol Aug 09 22:39:42 Aug 09 22:40:06 text-decorate: blink in Mojo does nothing Aug 09 22:40:10 I'm upset Aug 09 22:41:00 really? Aug 09 22:41:01 no blink? Aug 09 22:41:03 lamers. Aug 09 22:41:05 nope Aug 09 22:41:15 text in general is a highly neglected area Aug 09 22:41:16 you could do it with a css transition Aug 09 22:41:17 even in canvas Aug 09 22:41:19 pretty easily Aug 09 22:41:38 deliciousmorsel: yeah a blink would be good... Aug 09 22:41:47 guys.... Aug 09 22:41:51 I was kidding Aug 09 22:41:56 blink is horrible Aug 09 22:44:17 Need some help here with a Mojo.Depot callback Aug 09 22:44:54 I'm trying to load a list model from a Depot object, but when the Depot.get() success callback fires, the "this" object has no reference to the Scene controller Aug 09 22:45:26 you need to stick on a .bind(this) to the success handler, probably Aug 09 22:45:32 Ah Aug 09 22:45:34 Duh Aug 09 22:45:38 deliciousmorsel: ok works, can I extend the color change? Aug 09 22:46:15 Been writing pretty much every language *except* JavaScript for the past 15 years, so I keep on getting stung with little things :P Aug 09 22:46:26 heh Aug 09 22:46:43 Hey Aug 09 22:46:45 So guess what Aug 09 22:46:56 you died? Aug 09 22:47:12 halfhalo_class: then you woke up Aug 09 22:47:21 Question: how do I delete specific data from a JSON object? Aug 09 22:47:22 Yeah, the missing "bind(this)" did it Aug 09 22:47:41 cool Aug 09 22:47:53 Of course, after 2.5 hours of googling and banging my head against the wall... Aug 09 22:48:06 kesne: theObject.aProperty.anotherProperty = null; Aug 09 22:48:15 cool Aug 09 22:48:19 d-rock: now you know to run to sugardave with all your questions first Aug 09 22:48:21 :P Aug 09 22:48:30 -_- Aug 09 22:48:38 google is kinda the last resort Aug 09 22:48:42 when sugardave is around Aug 09 22:48:45 LOL Aug 09 22:48:54 I need to just suck it up and learn JavaScript for real Aug 09 22:49:04 Mojo is a good teacher, I think Aug 09 22:49:18 My code looks like utter garbage right now because I'm just flailing until things work... Aug 09 22:49:32 anyone else feel the urge to rip off the screen and pivot it horizontal at times? Aug 09 22:49:33 its ok mine too Aug 09 22:49:46 like tryin to use terminal apps Aug 09 22:50:06 Well, I'm an Emacs guy trying Ares, so it's kinda painful in that regard, too Aug 09 22:50:13 oh noes Aug 09 22:50:14 pre that is Aug 09 22:50:21 <--- uses ares Aug 09 22:50:23 I keep hitting Ctrl-W to delete a word and instead I close my tab (!) Aug 09 22:50:29 now you're Anivrom|devMode's problem child :P Aug 09 22:50:34 * sugardave doesn't do Ares. Aug 09 22:50:59 * sugardave likes to talk about himself in the 3rd-person like Bob Dole likes to talk about Bob Dole. Aug 09 22:50:59 sugardave: well ares doesn't do you Aug 09 22:51:02 I'm also used to the IDE giving me a lot more useful info than just lint output ;) Aug 09 22:51:03 I almost wonder if there is any possibility to hack pre so screen pivots Aug 09 22:51:18 Tibfib: not soviet russia? Aug 09 22:51:20 d-rock: aka intellisense Aug 09 22:51:25 aka usage popups Aug 09 22:51:28 I hear ya Aug 09 22:51:31 <--- .net Aug 09 22:51:37 Yeah, I write Scala using Emacs and Eclipse, and both have phenomenal support for that kind of stuff Aug 09 22:52:00 But I love WebOS and it's a fun challenge :) Aug 09 22:52:09 I have to say, though, the dev docs are a bit lean Aug 09 22:52:18 welcome to webos development Aug 09 22:52:23 that's pretty generous Aug 09 22:53:19 dekan, docs Aug 09 22:53:19 My documentation is at: http://wiki.xkcd.com/irc/Bucket Aug 09 22:53:24 ...dangit Aug 09 22:53:29 dekan, documentation? Aug 09 22:53:29 I don't know anything about that. Aug 09 22:53:38 maik deleted it Aug 09 22:53:42 dekan: inventory Aug 09 22:53:42 * dekan is carrying nothing. Aug 09 22:53:43 dangit maik Aug 09 22:53:46 dammit Aug 09 22:54:00 * sugardave gives dekan a towel Aug 09 22:54:00 ? Aug 09 22:54:01 * dekan now contains a towel. Aug 09 22:54:13 a good hitchhiker always knows where his towel is Aug 09 22:54:17 dekan: inventory Aug 09 22:54:17 * dekan contains a towel. Aug 09 22:54:17 that's right Aug 09 22:54:26 Tibfib: dangit maik what? Aug 09 22:54:26 dekan, give me your towel Aug 09 22:54:27 Error at 0x08: Reference not found Aug 09 22:54:40 maik: you deleted my docs factoid Aug 09 22:54:52 I think dekan had an entire lobotomy Aug 09 22:55:02 botsmack Aug 09 22:55:03 * dekan cowers Aug 09 22:55:05 botsmack Aug 09 22:55:05 * dekan dodges your attack and strikes you with ***EVISCERATING*** brutality. You have died. Aug 09 22:55:13 Tibfib: yes, dekan is not to be abused :) Aug 09 22:55:17 i also protected the docs factoid Aug 09 22:55:28 lol Aug 09 22:55:35 * sugardave abuses dekan. Aug 09 22:55:43 * Tibfib pokes dekan Aug 09 22:55:44 BUUUUURRRRRPPPP! Aug 09 22:56:08 dekan: abused dekan sodomizes $who with $newitem Aug 09 22:56:09 Okay, maik. Aug 09 22:56:12 bah Aug 09 22:56:15 dekan: delete abused dekan Aug 09 22:56:15 Okay, maik, 1 factoid deleted. Aug 09 22:56:19 dekan: abuses dekan sodomizes $who with $newitem Aug 09 22:56:19 Okay, maik. Aug 09 22:56:23 hahaha Aug 09 22:56:25 * maik abuses dekan Aug 09 22:56:25 * dekan sodomizes maik with The Sugardavian Guide to "s Aug 09 22:56:28 hah Aug 09 22:57:05 oh hmm Aug 09 22:57:08 dekan: inventory Aug 09 22:57:08 * dekan contains a towel and The Sugardavian Guide to "s. Aug 09 22:57:09 So, another question. It seems like there are 12 different ways to get the value of a text widget. What's the recommended way? Aug 09 22:57:12 that's...strange Aug 09 22:57:28 i think AnivromLovesAres added that and messed it up Aug 09 22:57:50 dekan: drop The Sugardavian Guide to "s Aug 09 22:57:51 I do not know. Aug 09 22:57:56 doh Aug 09 22:58:11 dekan: abuses dekan =~ s/sodomizes $who with $newitem/sodomizes $who with $item/ Aug 09 22:58:12 Okay, maik, factoid updated. Aug 09 22:58:24 * Tibfib abuses dekan Aug 09 22:58:24 * dekan sodomizes Tibfib with The Sugardavian Guide to "s Aug 09 22:58:29 haha Aug 09 22:58:33 * Tibfib abuses dekan Aug 09 22:58:33 * dekan sodomizes Tibfib with The Sugardavian Guide to "s Aug 09 22:58:36 hah Aug 09 22:58:41 dekan: inventory Aug 09 22:58:42 * dekan is carrying a towel. Aug 09 22:58:43 * maik pats dekan Aug 09 22:58:43 * dekan purrrrrrrrrr Aug 09 22:58:49 it's my guide to the use of double-quotes Aug 09 22:58:56 heh Aug 09 22:59:13 d-rock: the best way is probably whatever is easiest Aug 09 22:59:37 d-rock: sorry, I would answer your question, but I haven't a clue Aug 09 22:59:40 this.model.value = 'blahblah'; this.controller.modelChanged(this.model) Aug 09 22:59:51 that's to change one Aug 09 22:59:54 So, this.controller.get("foo").mojo.getValue() ? Aug 09 22:59:56 oh Aug 09 22:59:59 That's the one I see most frequently Aug 09 23:00:01 just use this.model.value Aug 09 23:00:03 sho 'nuff Aug 09 23:00:05 d-rock: that probably works Aug 09 23:00:18 sugardave, yeah, but I've seen other things... Aug 09 23:00:22 Tibfib: he's Ares, too :D Aug 09 23:00:31 I seem to recalle something like this.$.foo.model.value Aug 09 23:00:36 d-rock: I've seen things, too, man...I know what you mean Aug 09 23:00:36 stupid ares. Aug 09 23:01:11 It's almost as if Palm hired some Perl devs to come up with Mojo ;) Aug 09 23:01:22 heh Aug 09 23:02:18 argh. i have been sneezing all day today Aug 09 23:13:59 aww he left Aug 09 23:28:21 Ok, dammit. Finalized how auth system is going to work. And i have to change what im using now. Grrrr Aug 09 23:29:06 But I need the flexibility, so I gotta Aug 09 23:30:15 The user auth part of the equation is staying relatively the same, but not the datastore or the db interaction layers Aug 09 23:36:24 The authorization layer stores username, real name, email, and hashed pass along with a list of applications it's been tied to and session hashes for those to allow access to an apps data withought sending login information more than once and withought having one key per hash. Aug 09 23:37:46 It also has a single key value type datastore that can be used to store small amounts of data Aug 09 23:38:21 And those, if allowed, can be shared, marked private, or hidden unless specifically called. Aug 09 23:40:49 And then there's the new layer, the data abstraction layer. It let's you set another mysql table or whatnot as part of the quieriable model and save as much data as you want in it. It properly maps string and integers and you can set it to either onlyngrab data based on the user or to just grab all the data in the table, and what fields to return from the table Aug 09 23:41:21 And it supports basic crud operations Aug 09 23:41:55 And I'm just rambling for the he'll of it because I'm bored Aug 09 23:42:53 hey all Aug 09 23:43:05 Die Aug 09 23:44:19 Wawawaaaa Aug 09 23:45:40 I'm tempted to have a live login layer as well Aug 09 23:46:05 No idea what I would use it for, but it would be cool Aug 09 23:47:21 Maybe for a chat app? But then that gets complicated... Aug 09 23:48:23 Unless... Hmmm... Maybe... Aug 09 23:48:27 Ramblerambleramble Aug 09 23:51:16 If you could set, on a per app basic, whether to have a live login type system where you have to talk to the server every x seconds, and make that available to the app... Aug 09 23:56:23 gah, targeted advertising scares the shit out of me Aug 09 23:56:31 Lies Aug 09 23:56:52 i was looking for shoes on zappos earlier and now i'm listening to grooveshark. wouldn't you know it, in the advertising pane there's a zappos ad showing me some of the shoes i was looking at Aug 09 23:57:02 Hah Aug 09 23:57:47 Trying to think of a not so much easy but light way of doing online users that fits in with my current model Aug 09 23:59:18 Because I could do it entirely to easily in my data layer but it would scale like crap Aug 10 00:00:44 Or I could pass it onto the applications own information source but that means Making an API that takes care of that and just a he'll of a lot of work Aug 10 00:04:10 Man, scaling my complex AI loop down to an efficient background-friendly loop is a troubling task Aug 10 00:04:18 On the other hand, if I do it all in the data layer, It means easy connection/client upgrading if a new way of connecting comes out, ie mms in webos Aug 10 00:04:51 gotta sift through the bloated fluff Aug 10 00:06:26 OR have the best of both worlds and just have a dedicated table on the external mysql db for that stuff. Not nearly the performance hit and all the same positives as if I was doing it myself Aug 10 00:09:47 Man, this is join to be a pain Aug 10 00:10:09 so is autoreplace Aug 10 00:10:24 There is no single place to start building it Aug 10 00:10:41 Don't get me started on auto replace on this... Aug 10 00:10:46 What are you talking about? Aug 10 00:11:09 I'm just rambling about a user auth system Aug 10 00:11:15 lol Aug 10 00:11:16 oh Aug 10 00:11:17 boring Aug 10 00:11:28 Yes and no Aug 10 00:11:35 Elaborate Aug 10 00:11:55 It also acts as a sort of abstraction layer between a mysql db and an application Aug 10 00:12:16 Cool? Aug 10 00:12:24 kesne: totally Aug 10 00:12:28 Sound like KSO Aug 10 00:12:28 And allows one account to be used for more than on application Aug 10 00:12:37 Sounds exactly like KSO Aug 10 00:13:04 Sorta, but this is much more... Bigger Aug 10 00:13:11 How so? Aug 10 00:13:13 KSO is huge Aug 10 00:13:14 yo Aug 10 00:14:04 Kso let's you what, login and... What exactly? I have a vague idea but not anything specific Aug 10 00:14:34 dekan, fight! Aug 10 00:14:35 Fight, Fight, Fight, Fight! Aug 10 00:14:38 it lets you play checkers... Aug 10 00:14:40 thats huge Aug 10 00:14:42 halfhalo-srv: KSO lets you login, register, store stats online, track stats, it includes user profiles, allows applications to store data in the cloud Aug 10 00:14:46 Checkers just uses it Aug 10 00:15:06 Ah, see, this does most of that but more and less Aug 10 00:15:06 It's designed to move data from the app -> cloud and back and forth Aug 10 00:15:20 halfhalo-srv: That's just scraping the surface ;) Aug 10 00:15:34 oh snap Aug 10 00:15:41 * AnivromLovesAres grabs popcorn Aug 10 00:16:12 I use it to store the apps settings (In experimental Checkers Sewk (AKA 3.0)) Aug 10 00:16:32 And it stores your downloaded themes too Aug 10 00:16:44 So when you login to the app from any device, it restores your account Aug 10 00:18:26 * kesne walks away with his head held high Aug 10 00:18:29 Well, mine also does the login and regi and uses session hashes for auth, provides a basic key/value type store for each app registered to an account, and will as soon as I write it, provide live login, but also will take external mysql tables and provide that information to the app. Much more generic that kso, but much more modular Aug 10 00:18:46 show off Aug 10 00:19:03 halfhalo-srv: Well mine's Keen Studios specific :P Aug 10 00:19:20 Yours is cool because you allow other people to use it Aug 10 00:19:22 I know.. I would expect it to be Aug 10 00:19:50 * kesne thinks that 1-2 people will actually use it Aug 10 00:20:19 In terms of other devs Aug 10 00:20:31 Throw it in an app, and it might get a few thousand regs Aug 10 00:20:32 Don't really care since the reason I'm writing it is to bring all my current websites under one roof in regards to auth Aug 10 00:20:45 Fun :) Aug 10 00:20:49 KSO has 10,000 users Aug 10 00:21:18 It's not limited to webos apps since that sorta defeats the purpose Aug 10 00:21:29 halfhalo-srv: KSO isn't :P Aug 10 00:21:41 Anyways, yours is cool, mine is cool(er). Let's leave it at that Aug 10 00:21:45 Yeah, I gathered that as well Aug 10 00:21:53 Lol Aug 10 00:21:56 Oh, that reminds me though Aug 10 00:22:06 I've been working on an online interface for KSO Aug 10 00:22:22 Looks pretty hawt Aug 10 00:22:28 Actually, not really Aug 10 00:22:30 but it works Aug 10 00:22:31 ish Aug 10 00:22:43 I'm building mine first and for most to bridge about 10 different web sites and forums together Aug 10 00:22:45 LOL decisive ftw Aug 10 00:22:55 http://keen-studios.net/kso/ Aug 10 00:23:13 not bad Aug 10 00:23:23 Only lets you login Aug 10 00:23:44 the titanium build that I have for it works a lot better Aug 10 00:23:53 and has more functionality Aug 10 00:23:55 ask torchie. Aug 10 00:24:02 huh what Aug 10 00:24:20 Since mine doesn't care whether an app is an app or a hippie or a site. As long as it has a app hash it's all good Aug 10 00:24:46 torchie: You've played with the KSO desktop beta Aug 10 00:24:51 Hmm Aug 10 00:25:03 KSO.1 has used 1341.67MB transfer this month Aug 10 00:25:18 Nice Aug 10 00:25:21 nice? Aug 10 00:25:28 Not sure if I'd say nice Aug 10 00:25:30 Yes Aug 10 00:25:39 Why not nice... Aug 10 00:25:39 I need to iron out efficiency issues Aug 10 00:25:49 1,000,000 database querys a day Aug 10 00:25:51 if I didnt love building games so much I woulda quit this thing a long time ago Aug 10 00:25:52 : / Aug 10 00:26:10 AnivromLovesAres: Why is ares nice? Aug 10 00:26:19 Php with mysql, right? Aug 10 00:26:21 cause it does things for you? Aug 10 00:26:40 halfhalo-srv: Yessir Aug 10 00:26:54 Not mysqli? Aug 10 00:27:29 Any db caching? Aug 10 00:28:41 * halfhalo-srv takes that as a no Aug 10 00:28:41 I have no idea Aug 10 00:28:51 Roy-Pre101: Answer him Aug 10 00:29:00 Lol Aug 10 00:29:12 He wrote most of it Aug 10 00:29:41 I have Cherokee set up to both load balance mysql and cache results Aug 10 00:30:30 Cool Aug 10 00:30:36 Then again, it's load balancing with only one server.... Aug 10 00:31:09 heh Aug 10 00:31:21 I can't wait to get KSO2 out the door Aug 10 00:31:23 Slewth Aug 10 00:31:31 But it's fun to watch the logs on bootup and see the server go "oh crap oh crap oh crap start a php instance!" Aug 10 00:34:24 Rails just fails for the first page hit on each interpreter though... Aug 10 00:36:14 shoot. has anyone used a command menu as a spinner like the web app? Aug 10 00:36:50 Bbiab driving home Aug 10 00:38:08 Tibfib: Long ago, why? Aug 10 00:38:31 browser version is quite complicated, wonder if anyone has a stripped down simplifed version Aug 10 00:38:35 oh Aug 10 00:38:40 rather than making me strip it down :) Aug 10 00:38:41 A long, long time ago Aug 10 00:38:58 do you have the source? Aug 10 00:39:19 Probably not Aug 10 00:39:30 I had it in a beta version of PreTac Aug 10 00:39:34 AKA, over a year ago Aug 10 00:40:31 I vaguely remember screaming at the screen Aug 10 00:41:24 did you upload it to precentral ever? Aug 10 00:41:54 Nope Aug 10 00:41:58 Hehe Aug 10 00:42:00 I love myself Aug 10 00:42:06 #lookitsamessage {} Aug 10 00:42:11 #lookitsapm{} Aug 10 00:42:26 People ask me why I don't comment my code Aug 10 00:42:28 That's why Aug 10 00:43:07 This one has me stumped though Aug 10 00:43:10 this.oreoCookie = new Mojo.Model.Cookie("oreoCookies"); Aug 10 00:57:46 My screenprotector looks like it's been through a warzone. guess its doing its job Aug 10 00:58:11 anyone else having issues with Sprint service lately Aug 10 01:00:42 No Aug 10 01:02:01 rwhitby: Gradients and drop-shadows. Your take? Aug 10 01:02:28 or anyoen else for that matter Aug 10 01:02:32 kesne: what's the context? Aug 10 01:02:44 http://i650.photobucket.com/albums/uu229/kesne/checkers_2010-09-08_175032.png Aug 10 01:03:27 rwhitby: you a graphic designer? Aug 10 01:03:34 heh Aug 10 01:03:41 No, he isn't Aug 10 01:03:45 * rwhitby wonders why your screen isn't working on the right hand side - it's a bit darker there than on the left :) Aug 10 01:03:56 rwhitby: Heh Aug 10 01:04:02 :P Aug 10 01:04:12 you should get that device fixed Aug 10 01:04:22 rwhitby: What about this one: http://i650.photobucket.com/albums/uu229/kesne/userlistNX.png Aug 10 01:04:27 idk put a drop shadow on them for sure Aug 10 01:04:27 oldest trick in the book Aug 10 01:04:34 When did you take design class, 2001? Aug 10 01:04:34 < Aug 10 01:04:42 Gradients and dropshadows are the two most over-used under-needed things Aug 10 01:04:42 No, they are the most used cause ppl know they work Aug 10 01:04:55 poll: agree or disagree Aug 10 01:04:58 kesne: why are the arrows all fuzzy in that one - you should take the crappy screen protector off Aug 10 01:05:06 You missed ??? LOL Aug 10 01:05:11 AnivromLovesAres: HAH! Aug 10 01:05:13 Im editing out the fluff Aug 10 01:05:24 get to the meat and potaters Aug 10 01:06:06 rwhitby: So which one do you like better? Aug 10 01:06:20 he hasnt seen the first one Aug 10 01:06:27 I mean seriously - why not just use the palm default theme for that screen - why should someone be presented with some custom UI for a simple list? Aug 10 01:06:50 rwhitby: It's a checkers app Aug 10 01:06:56 Standard theme = ugly Aug 10 01:07:00 it's a webOS app Aug 10 01:07:07 your mom Aug 10 01:07:17 theres no convincing him of his graphically adeptness rwhitby Aug 10 01:07:30 erm negative that Aug 10 01:07:37 AnivromLovesAres: adeptness or ineptitude ;) Aug 10 01:08:04 ^ :) Aug 10 01:08:11 I know why Aug 10 01:10:55 what? Aug 10 01:11:15 sugardave: yeah, exactly. Aug 10 01:11:41 hahaahah sugardave Aug 10 01:11:55 that explains everything - dunno why I didn't think of that before Aug 10 01:12:11 indeed Aug 10 01:12:47 What are you guys talking about? Aug 10 01:12:59 as if you don't know Aug 10 01:13:03 I really dont Aug 10 01:13:09 My IRC client == suck Aug 10 01:13:10 really? Aug 10 01:13:17 Yeah Aug 10 01:13:36 kesne: must be the UI design of it obfuscating the content ... Aug 10 01:13:41 Not to mention I've been working for around (insert large number here) hours straight. Aug 10 01:13:47 rwhitby: :P Aug 10 01:13:59 rwhitby: Hey, that gradient in the background keeps things legible :P Aug 10 01:14:07 haha Aug 10 01:15:12 rwhitby: unlike bobchatter Aug 10 01:16:31 The new checkers chatting UI is really a lot, lot better Aug 10 01:16:54 sugardave, rwhitby: haha finally got it, its so true Aug 10 01:17:25 AnivromLovesAres: I don't see what's funny about it though. Aug 10 01:17:38 I find it pretty funny actualyl Aug 10 01:17:42 only cause its kesne Aug 10 01:17:50 What? Aug 10 01:17:53 Why'd you ping me Aug 10 01:18:28 http://i650.photobucket.com/albums/uu229/kesne/checkers_2010-09-08_181613.png Aug 10 01:18:51 I'm grabbing an old SS Aug 10 01:20:36 kesne: so the watermark text behind "Admin (To Kesne)" on that screenshot just makes it harder to read the text in the foreground. Aug 10 01:20:51 rwhitby: Aug 10 01:20:58 Er Aug 10 01:21:01 Premature enter key Aug 10 01:21:20 rwhitby: Not watermark, the window is semi-transparent Aug 10 01:21:29 that's a classic example of decoration occluding information Aug 10 01:22:42 rwhitby: Does it really matter THAT much? Aug 10 01:22:48 yes Aug 10 01:23:37 halfhalo: your mom Aug 10 01:23:46 what about her Aug 10 01:24:22 Old version of the Checkers Chat: Aug 10 01:24:23 http://i650.photobucket.com/albums/uu229/kesne/checkers_2010-09-08_182210.png Aug 10 01:25:00 rwhitby: just for you gonna activate, the background chooser in bobchatter in this weeks release Aug 10 01:25:46 gogo gadget bg changerrrrr Aug 10 01:26:20 kesne: the new one is better (apart from the transparency), but it makes me ask the question "What is the significance of the blue boxes vs the white boxes?" If there is a significance, it's a good feature. If not, it's useless decoration. Aug 10 01:26:34 rwhitby: Blue = PM Aug 10 01:26:41 rwhitby: white = everything else Aug 10 01:26:47 ok, good feature. Aug 10 01:26:55 Hehe ;) Aug 10 01:27:16 In the old one, the red are PM's Aug 10 01:27:38 kesne: looks nice Aug 10 01:27:47 * rwhitby notes that all these apps could just use launch parameters to open wIRC at an app-specific IRC channel ... Aug 10 01:27:47 ping Aug 10 01:27:57 p to the o n g Aug 10 01:28:00 LIES Aug 10 01:28:00 got bubbles on my back, got way too sunburned Aug 10 01:28:08 * sugardave recycles yesterday's lame joke. Aug 10 01:29:04 rwhitby: That would take away from the experience Aug 10 01:29:14 It seems that Palm's vision for apps to use stages from other apps to do things has been lost by the wayside somewhere. Does everyone remember how in the initial webOS architecture presentations that was such a huge deal, but almost no developers actually use it? Aug 10 01:29:32 don't get chocked by the cords on the golden parachute, yo Aug 10 01:31:29 rwhitby: Takes away from the experience Aug 10 01:47:43 3 hours without sunblock http://urloid.com/back.jpg Aug 10 01:54:04 LoneStar99: What am I looking at? Aug 10 01:55:59 Hmm how would I go about running a specific loop in my app even when there is no card open? and no dashboard open either Aug 10 01:58:21 kesne: my back full of bubbles Aug 10 01:58:49 LoneStar99: Why is it bubbly? Aug 10 01:59:27 not sure, got way to sunburned i guess Aug 10 02:00:27 That doesn't happen to me Aug 10 02:01:50 kense: it usually does not happen to me either, but was out in the texas sun early in the am on the beach/ Aug 10 02:04:51 Dun dun dun Aug 10 02:06:24 I wish mojo.frigginlog would work in ares Aug 10 02:07:12 hehe Aug 10 02:07:20 Do you use the visual debugger? Aug 10 02:07:24 yes Aug 10 02:07:31 but halting the program is a pain sometimes Aug 10 02:07:42 What about palm inspector? Aug 10 02:07:45 Palm worm? Aug 10 02:07:51 Havent explored those options Aug 10 02:08:01 Mojo.log would suffice Aug 10 02:08:05 Palm-Worm is good to check for memory leaks Aug 10 02:08:07 And shtuff Aug 10 02:08:40 Palm-Inpector is really good for doing lots of testing and stuff. Aug 10 02:11:37 { Aug 10 02:11:37 "logLevel":99 Aug 10 02:11:37 } Aug 10 02:11:48 is that not what is supposed to be in my framework config? Aug 10 02:13:30 hey peeps Aug 10 02:13:40 whats the good word Aug 10 02:14:02 you died Aug 10 02:17:11 hello codeslaw Aug 10 02:23:55 function info(){ if(Mojo.Log.currentLogLevel>=Mojo.Log.LOG_LEVEL_INFO){ Mojo.Log._logImplementation(Mojo.Log.LOG_LEVEL_INFO,$A(arguments)); } } Aug 10 02:24:20 That doesnt make sense, they ask you to put loglevel at 99 yet it checks to see if loglevel is below 99 in order to display your log output Aug 10 02:24:43 or below the level info number which I dont know how to set Aug 10 02:24:51 info level* Aug 10 02:25:29 loglevel 20+ is everything Aug 10 02:25:44 loglevel10 is errors and warnings Aug 10 02:25:49 is this correct to focus on a text field "this.controller.setInitialFocusedElement('sendField');" Aug 10 02:25:50 but read teh function Aug 10 02:25:52 level 0 is just errors Aug 10 02:26:10 it checks my 99 agianst its 20 Aug 10 02:26:18 >= Aug 10 02:26:43 when I look at currentLogLevel its 0 Aug 10 02:26:57 yet I have logLevel: 99 in my framework Aug 10 02:28:16 LoneStar99: you may need this.controller.get('sendField') instead of just 'sendField' Aug 10 02:28:34 AnivromLovesAres, look at the other functions Aug 10 02:28:38 such as warn and error Aug 10 02:28:46 they >= their constant Aug 10 02:28:58 ok Aug 10 02:28:59 info checks to see if its atleast 20 Aug 10 02:29:10 warning checks to see if its atleast 10 Aug 10 02:29:13 Now its 99... yet its still not showing logs Aug 10 02:29:16 I get that part dawm Aug 10 02:29:17 error checks to see if its atleast 0 Aug 10 02:29:21 I just dont get why its not working Aug 10 02:29:30 Nothing gets outputted. Aug 10 02:29:40 and currentLogLevel is 99. Aug 10 02:29:55 is this on a device? Aug 10 02:29:57 whats your framework_config.json look like Aug 10 02:30:01 yes on device Aug 10 02:30:03 in its entirety Aug 10 02:30:07 haeffb: not sure what u mean? Aug 10 02:30:09 { Aug 10 02:30:10 "logLevel":99 Aug 10 02:30:10 } Aug 10 02:30:14 thats it Aug 10 02:30:18 did you set the device system log level? Aug 10 02:30:31 How do I do that? didnt know that was a criteria Aug 10 02:30:32 this.controller.setInitialFocusedElement(this.controller.get('sendField')); Aug 10 02:30:35 Since they dont say it Aug 10 02:30:48 yeah if using palm-log you have to set the system log level Aug 10 02:30:54 its something like palm-log —system-log-level info Aug 10 02:30:59 I'm using ares log viewer Aug 10 02:31:03 not command line Aug 10 02:31:07 palm-log -d usb --system-log-level info Aug 10 02:31:10 well then die Aug 10 02:31:16 in a fire? Aug 10 02:31:21 meh, thats a plus Aug 10 02:31:21 AnivromLovesAres, you might need to add "debuggingEnabled": true, Aug 10 02:31:23 if you'r on the device, the device log level has to be set to info Aug 10 02:31:24 in a hot fire Aug 10 02:31:36 using palm-log Aug 10 02:31:41 as above Aug 10 02:31:51 haeffb: ok i thoug that what u meant but was not sure... thanks Aug 10 02:31:57 * AnivromLovesAres wonders how where he would type in said command Aug 10 02:32:06 in a command prompt Aug 10 02:32:27 ok done Aug 10 02:32:38 device defaults to loglevel error (0) after ever reboot Aug 10 02:32:53 ugh Aug 10 02:32:55 working now Aug 10 02:33:00 .// wrists Aug 10 02:33:04 ares might be using palm-log as a pass thru, so you'd have to 'configure' the device / emulator Aug 10 02:33:22 although I'm getting a ton of spam Aug 10 02:33:28 you will :P Aug 10 02:33:30 from haeffb's cupcakes :P Aug 10 02:34:32 so I'm gonna have to type that in everytime I reboot the device? Aug 10 02:35:25 yeh Aug 10 02:35:32 haeffb: if that did not work, what u recommend? Aug 10 02:36:40 LoneStar99: dunno. I've never actually tried to do that Aug 10 02:38:12 haeffb: can't seem to get focus on one text field... Aug 10 02:44:07 Ok, who wants to be the first beta testers of Noted ? Aug 10 02:44:14 <---- Aug 10 02:44:28 email me at gmail Aug 10 02:44:29 LoneStar99: <---- Aug 10 02:44:42 diegoATearthoid.com Aug 10 02:44:43 haeffb: sent a pm Aug 10 02:47:25 just sent the last 2 documents the loan company needed for the house, have to call and get home owners insurance tomorrow and wait for them to finalize everything :D Aug 10 02:48:20 dawm_ - congrats! Aug 10 02:48:40 dawm: when can i move in Aug 10 02:48:41 just bought my house Aug 10 02:48:47 thi syear Aug 10 02:48:59 dawm & whoolio: congrats! Aug 10 02:49:06 yea gz Aug 10 02:49:08 big step Aug 10 02:49:26 grrr Aug 10 02:49:40 whoolio: and dawm_ awesome for both of yous Aug 10 02:49:49 why the hell does icechat keep timing out Aug 10 02:49:50 its cheaper to buy a house than rent an apartment here :P Aug 10 02:49:53 AnivromLovesAres & LoneStar99: you have mail Aug 10 02:49:59 signing up Aug 10 02:50:09 nothing like a hot water pipe on the second floor breaking above your office at 3 am...(last weeks nightmare) Aug 10 02:50:12 their estimating 580/m for mortgage, insurance and taxes Aug 10 02:50:13 dawm_: where u at? Aug 10 02:50:17 Michigan Aug 10 02:50:27 bad gateway for signup page haeffb_ Aug 10 02:50:29 wow! lets trade! Aug 10 02:50:31 this is a rough version, but syncing, adding and deleting notes all works Aug 10 02:50:33 doh. Aug 10 02:50:39 http://www.simplenoteapp.com Aug 10 02:50:40 haeffb_: ok thanks, can test in a few hours, need to tackel some bugs here "got my app rejected" Aug 10 02:50:51 how big is the house? Aug 10 02:50:56 dawm_: right on Aug 10 02:51:02 the house is a 1.5 story w/ basement 1122sq ft, on a double lot with a 2car garage, 1 car garage and attached carport Aug 10 02:51:31 my taxes are $6000 a year for a bi-level Aug 10 02:51:39 mine are 2500/yr Aug 10 02:51:39 rofl @ fake reviews Aug 10 02:51:58 house was only 46k (cheap here in MI) Aug 10 02:52:26 jeez...you should of bought witht ht $8000 tax credit...you would have paid for a 5th the house Aug 10 02:52:48 i should move to michigan Aug 10 02:53:30 wtf bbq Aug 10 02:53:38 either my internets or my server keep timing out Aug 10 02:53:43 I don't know which Aug 10 02:53:46 congrats again! even with all the hidden expenses...i think owning is way better than renting Aug 10 02:53:46 yeah i was waiting on a shortsale that if it closed on time i would have gotten in on the tax credit Aug 10 02:54:03 does http://notebook-cooling.com/ work for anyone Aug 10 02:54:05 i found this house at the beginning of July and backed out of the shortsale Aug 10 02:54:15 so wasnt able to get in on the tax credit =/ Aug 10 02:54:19 AnivromLovesAres: not fake Aug 10 02:54:22 its cheap enough....who cares abotu 8000 Aug 10 02:54:22 haeffb_: having trouble signign up Aug 10 02:54:27 yah Aug 10 02:54:33 dont see the link, just says it should give me a prompt on startup Aug 10 02:54:59 im just hoping i can afford internets :P Aug 10 02:55:11 buy less beer Aug 10 02:55:21 heh, my dogs uncle is in click Aug 10 02:55:21 Don't have an iPhone, iPod touch, or iPad? Aug 10 02:55:22 You can still create an account that you can use with our web app Aug 10 02:55:26 or buy cheap beer Aug 10 02:55:34 uhh der Aug 10 02:55:35 tap on the "create and account" in that sentence Aug 10 02:56:06 geeze, I need some sleep. can't type Aug 10 02:56:23 walmart - $3.95 a 6-pack of 16oz Milwakees Best "The beast" Aug 10 02:56:56 the "false" under my note is confusing Aug 10 02:58:03 doh. Aug 10 02:58:25 debugging - it will show a preview of the note. I'll send a new .ipk **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Aug 10 02:59:58 2010