**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Aug 10 02:59:58 2010 Aug 10 03:00:11 Ok, you have mail again Aug 10 03:00:23 "we sat next to each other in maths?, we didnt get on rememba?" Aug 10 03:04:07 AnivromLovesAres: I need a really cool, but simple icon.... Aug 10 03:04:14 np Aug 10 03:04:17 im onnnn it Aug 10 03:05:25 Hello Aug 10 03:05:37 Can anyone tell me how to run a function if the user closes an app? Aug 10 03:07:35 Brian__: call the function in StageAssistant.cleanup(); Aug 10 03:07:36 unless it's an asynchronous function Aug 10 03:07:44 haeffb_: when do you want it by? Aug 10 03:07:49 or SceneAssistant.cleanup() of your last scene Aug 10 03:08:18 No hurry. I am going to beta test in precentral for a bit before I submit to catalog Aug 10 03:08:30 ok Aug 10 03:08:36 Have quite a bit of work to do yet, too, but want to get the sync stuff tested thoroughly Aug 10 03:08:44 * AnivromLovesAres creates a note to remind himself to create a note icon Aug 10 03:08:47 Awesome thanks guys Aug 10 03:09:20 AnivromLovesAres: note that you can just start typing to search in your notes Aug 10 03:10:16 tap the icon to show the note in a drawer Aug 10 03:10:20 tap the note to edit Aug 10 03:10:44 haeffb_: maybe some sort of magnifying glass would prompt the user to take "note" of the automagic search feature Aug 10 03:11:20 I thought about having the filter field always open Aug 10 03:11:27 Was thinking that Aug 10 03:11:29 but didn't have time to get the CSS right Aug 10 03:11:30 It's a webos thing to do Aug 10 03:11:47 actually, most apps don't Aug 10 03:11:52 O_O Aug 10 03:11:58 wonder why I got that impressiont hen Aug 10 03:13:00 hehehe… http://info.silentbluesystems.com/info Aug 10 03:13:23 built in server statistics Aug 10 03:15:18 AnivromLovesAres: yeah, you could always show a tip box telling the user about the search feature Aug 10 03:15:49 question is when is the appropriate time to show the tip box then Aug 10 03:16:28 AnivromLovesAres: when you update your app, show a tip box with a checkbox to "not show again" and let the user know Aug 10 03:16:56 AnivromLovesAres: store whether they check the box in a cookie Aug 10 03:17:03 why not just have a starting page that has text telling the features Aug 10 03:17:11 and then dont display it again Aug 10 03:18:07 jus sayin Aug 10 03:18:37 AnivromLovesAres: you could do that; I've done that before. Showing a tip box in the scene where the hidden feature is allows the user to immediately interact with that feature. Aug 10 03:19:28 AnivromLovesAres: the user might forget if you show them once at the app startup Aug 10 03:19:50 interesting. turning screen back on after autooff invokes an activate event Aug 10 03:19:59 same for teh tooltip though Aug 10 03:20:12 unless you have a list that cycles on bootup Aug 10 03:23:18 hey all Aug 10 03:23:39 hey Aug 10 03:29:24 ok, this just went from "really awesome server" to "this needs to be in production NOW" Aug 10 03:29:33 heh Aug 10 03:35:41 halfhalo: What do you mean? Aug 10 03:35:45 LoneStar99: Try the app? Aug 10 03:35:58 I mean the load balancing is amazing Aug 10 03:36:32 halfhalo: You should write KSO3 for me! :D Aug 10 03:36:45 Or, better yet, use this in KSO3 Aug 10 03:36:56 bah, you could take my existing stuff and base it off of that Aug 10 03:39:07 wtfbbq Aug 10 03:39:22 halfhalo: That'd require a lot, lot of time Aug 10 03:39:31 not really Aug 10 03:39:40 not as much as you would think Aug 10 03:42:48 I assume writing a cookie is faster than executing a db query, right? Aug 10 03:42:57 lol Aug 10 03:43:15 yes. I'm not sure why I asked Aug 10 03:43:16 yell yes Aug 10 03:43:20 hell* Aug 10 03:48:36 [waves hello] Aug 10 03:49:46 hey Aug 10 03:50:38 I should try the Ares debugger. I tried Ares back in February, but couldn't debug my app, so havn't touched it since then. Aug 10 03:53:43 Anyone tried Jasmine? I've been on vacation, haven't had a chance to try it yet. Aug 10 03:53:55 I tried her Aug 10 03:54:01 not that great Aug 10 03:54:27 No? Pivotal seems to know their stuff. Aug 10 03:54:50 oh softwear, I was talking about Hardwear Aug 10 03:55:16 Now, now. Aug 10 04:18:38 Dangit. I need linux back badly. I keep running into these situations. Aug 10 04:19:00 The kernel, the shell, ... ? Aug 10 04:19:04 vm Aug 10 04:19:06 everything, lol Aug 10 04:19:56 The arcane syntax? I miss that, too. :-) Aug 10 04:19:59 vm takes as much work as installing it to a secondary partition, which I could boot off of a vm anyway... I'm just too lazy to go through setting it all up again :p Aug 10 04:20:18 no partition,just do the file thing Aug 10 04:20:31 nah, then I couldn't boot natively Aug 10 04:20:43 and send oil back to the gulf Aug 10 04:20:48 :p Aug 10 04:21:04 :/ Aug 10 04:21:07 Which gulf? Aug 10 04:21:23 gulf of bp? Aug 10 04:22:55 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Patch_webOS_Bypassing_Activation <-- Quick question... would following this also allow me to get past the "insert SIM" screen so I could at least play around with my (currently simless, since I'm moving in a week) pre? Aug 10 04:23:37 http://git.webos-internals.org/trac/wIRC/ticket/86 this be fixed oil, assuming you didn't forget to push it Aug 10 04:23:38 again Aug 10 04:24:18 I'm pretysure it got pushed Aug 10 04:25:34 did you test it with bip? (what that ticket is about) Aug 10 04:26:18 nope Aug 10 04:26:22 did _you_? Aug 10 04:26:36 well,ill leave it for puff to determine it works Aug 10 04:26:46 I'll comment on that though Aug 10 04:33:50 although i like the idea of the short messages... Aug 10 04:41:23 Damnation Aug 10 04:41:34 good map on halo pc Aug 10 04:41:40 Anyhows going to bed now Aug 10 04:41:45 cya tomorrow Aug 10 04:42:04 ok textmate, tell me how to do this... Aug 10 04:47:14 I hate people in Checkers. Aug 10 04:54:48 kesne: how do you add a link to the "keen studio" when viewing app info in launcher? Aug 10 04:55:44 In appinfo.json, add a vendorurl property Aug 10 04:58:06 oh ok got it Aug 10 04:58:07 thanks Aug 10 05:17:59 OH THANK YE LORD! Aug 10 05:22:20 Ok, textmate palm-package is working Aug 10 05:25:01 LoneStar99: I forgot Aug 10 05:25:10 I think I'm going to bed Aug 10 05:35:27 okay, one more conference plus the independents to go and all the static lookup data is complete Aug 10 05:35:28 mind-numbing shit Aug 10 05:36:10 one more command to go for the basic stuff here.... Aug 10 05:36:57 I'm saving mine for tomorrow Aug 10 05:37:01 goodnight Aug 10 05:37:01 night night, sugardave Aug 10 05:37:06 well, mine is cooler Aug 10 05:39:25 morning Aug 10 05:39:28 goodnight everybody Aug 10 05:39:31 morning Aug 10 05:39:38 night kesne Aug 10 05:42:23 I'll leave you with something to piss everyone off. Aug 10 05:42:31 JUSTIN BIEBER Aug 10 05:42:33 haha Aug 10 05:42:35 night all Aug 10 05:44:05 dammitall Aug 10 05:44:19 the tooltips ain't showing up in screenshot Aug 10 05:46:03 anyone here use textmate? Aug 10 05:47:31 gedit/komodo Aug 10 05:47:38 damn Aug 10 05:47:45 want someone to try out my bundle Aug 10 05:49:25 Random physics question, semi-pre related... can aluminum foil heat up by induction? :X Aug 10 05:49:35 first version of textmate webOS bundle: silentbluesystems.com/webOS.zip (requires json gem (From console sudo gem install json)) Aug 10 05:50:05 It's a conductor, so, yes. Aug 10 05:50:10 Crap. Aug 10 05:50:39 Touchstone-related? Aug 10 05:50:49 yes Aug 10 05:52:13 If you're building a rail gun, I don't think a Touchstone is the place to start, no matter how cheap they are. :-) Aug 10 05:53:00 No :p Aug 10 05:53:43 hehe Aug 10 05:53:53 worse, actually Aug 10 05:54:01 I just put a strip of it in the back of the pre itself Aug 10 05:56:36 well, wait a second, I know that aluminum cookware doesn't work well with induction cookers... so maybe it won't heat up that much...? Aug 10 05:56:57 blah Aug 10 05:57:22 better play it safe *takes out the foil tape* Aug 10 06:01:31 morning swisstomcat Aug 10 06:01:37 morning lonestar Aug 10 06:20:22 You know who I hate? Aug 10 06:20:37 :(. Aug 10 06:20:39 Max Kanter Aug 10 06:20:42 oh. Aug 10 06:20:56 who? Aug 10 06:21:11 sounds german Aug 10 06:21:32 He's a kid Aug 10 06:21:47 17 I believe Aug 10 06:21:58 http://jmaxkanter.com/ Aug 10 06:22:01 I really hate him Aug 10 06:22:08 why you triflin dawg Aug 10 06:22:37 oh is max kanter that one guy that kicks eveyone's shit and is really young Aug 10 06:23:21 fucker's got a vanity website Aug 10 06:23:55 and was interviewed by palm Aug 10 06:24:08 I was interviewed by Palm too Aug 10 06:24:20 why hate? Aug 10 06:24:28 He has one of the lowest rated apps in the catalog Aug 10 06:24:32 And he thinks he's really good Aug 10 06:24:33 just because he's all over it? Aug 10 06:24:42 well I did play polar bowling and didn't care for it Aug 10 06:24:48 but maaaaaaaan Aug 10 06:24:49 swisstomcat: "all over it" elaborate Aug 10 06:24:57 at least you get to be young and famous Aug 10 06:24:59 I'm 18 Aug 10 06:25:02 I'm already dead Aug 10 06:25:03 torchie: He's also a douchebag Aug 10 06:25:07 Heh Aug 10 06:25:10 kesne: you're just jealous cause he could finish a PreCentral app ;) Aug 10 06:25:12 I'm more famous than he is! Aug 10 06:25:22 rwhitby: His just opened up the browser :P Aug 10 06:25:32 one line of code Aug 10 06:25:33 all over it: trying to be present on many places Aug 10 06:25:34 kesne: and yours did ... ? Aug 10 06:25:42 rwhitby: Had icons Aug 10 06:25:45 that you could move! Aug 10 06:25:55 kesne: but never saw the light of day ... Aug 10 06:25:57 And besides, it wasn't my fault that it stopped Aug 10 06:26:12 this sounds like a ego contest :) Aug 10 06:26:18 rwhitby: activated changing background images =) Aug 10 06:26:44 swisstomcat: His ego is bigger Aug 10 06:26:49 Trust me, I have a huge HUGE ego Aug 10 06:26:59 but his surpasses mine Aug 10 06:27:11 get out of here. ego? you? Aug 10 06:27:19 * swisstomcat recalls the dilbert comic with the ego Aug 10 06:27:19 at least you're not a dried up old raisin with no confidence Aug 10 06:27:27 * torchie shrivel Aug 10 06:27:54 http://www.dilbert.com/strips/comic/1989-11-22/ Aug 10 06:28:54 http://www.dilbert.com/strips/comic/1995-01-06/ Aug 10 06:29:01 rwhitby: It's hard not to have an ego at my age :P Aug 10 06:29:16 kesne: it's important to have a good ego at your age :) Aug 10 06:29:58 rwhitby: ego != self-confidence Aug 10 06:30:21 ego, the result of the conflict between id and superego Aug 10 06:30:50 * rwhitby awaits more existential nuggets from kesne Aug 10 06:31:08 dude man Aug 10 06:31:10 we all Aug 10 06:31:14 live in a yellow submarine Aug 10 06:31:20 that's all it is man Aug 10 06:31:24 just one big yellow submarine Aug 10 06:31:37 actually, here it's all just 1's and 0's Aug 10 06:31:45 torchie: how much did you smoke? Aug 10 06:31:59 binary numbers man Aug 10 06:32:04 it's just made of yellow submarines Aug 10 06:32:25 rwhitby: :P Aug 10 06:32:26 killer bro, pass the ganga Aug 10 06:32:33 lol Aug 10 06:33:13 man all I'm on here Aug 10 06:33:17 is 14 hours of hey arnold Aug 10 06:33:37 rwhitby: Unfortunetly, my self-confidence is quite low Aug 10 06:33:54 easy fix Aug 10 06:34:02 just be extremely confident in others! Aug 10 06:35:00 and then you lead their asses to victory Aug 10 06:35:11 and then fade into obscurity yourself Aug 10 06:35:29 so Aug 10 06:35:41 rwhitby: You think checkers should use the palm-default theme? Aug 10 06:36:18 kesne: no, checkers is a game, not a productivity application Aug 10 06:36:29 rwhitby: ... Aug 10 06:36:34 rwhitby: but earlier.... Aug 10 06:36:53 what's it using now, palm-dark? Aug 10 06:37:43 kesne: I think people should use existing messaging protocols and environments, rather than each and every game I download inventing yet another chat room paradigm Aug 10 06:38:13 rwhitby: Checkers Chat isn't anything new Aug 10 06:38:16 it isn't supposed to be Aug 10 06:38:26 it's just a simple way to integrate chat into checkers Aug 10 06:38:31 That is seamless Aug 10 06:39:28 I would have loved to used IRC Aug 10 06:39:38 Or an IM client Aug 10 06:39:47 in the end, just throwing something together worked better Aug 10 06:40:52 Whatever happened to rboatright? Aug 10 06:40:58 rwhitby Aug 10 06:41:37 and Adora, she used to hang around Aug 10 06:41:47 And ElVox Aug 10 06:42:02 and jfelectron Aug 10 06:42:31 yeah Aug 10 06:42:37 what happened to those people Aug 10 06:43:04 perhaps the signal to noise ratio got too high for them ... Aug 10 06:43:19 too busy with other stuff probably Aug 10 06:43:26 s/high/low/ even Aug 10 06:43:45 rwhitby: what about rboatright? Aug 10 06:43:49 You know anything? Aug 10 06:43:57 busy Aug 10 06:44:00 Ah Aug 10 06:44:05 I was gone for a good 6 months Aug 10 06:44:18 but I came back :) Aug 10 06:44:23 you were gone? Aug 10 06:44:26 brb, time to take medz Aug 10 06:44:29 rwhitby: :P Aug 10 06:45:03 well off to fairytale, chat laters, keep it real! Aug 10 06:46:04 heh Aug 10 06:46:08 bye LoneStar99 Aug 10 06:46:16 adios Aug 10 06:46:18 night lonestar Aug 10 06:46:28 I'm leaving soon, too Aug 10 06:46:47 Once I do my daily hour-long ego build-up Aug 10 06:47:05 doh Aug 10 06:47:08 thought of another one! Aug 10 06:47:12 Tim Carroll! Aug 10 06:48:15 he joined the army Aug 10 06:48:22 I know Aug 10 06:48:30 I used to video-chat like every day with him Aug 10 06:48:45 s/day/week Aug 10 06:50:03 Really nice guy Aug 10 06:50:05 Really funny Aug 10 06:50:10 really austrillian. Aug 10 06:50:26 Anyways, I'm heading out for the night Aug 10 06:50:32 Out = sleeping Aug 10 06:50:34 I need to sleep Aug 10 06:50:40 I'm sleep deprived Aug 10 06:50:49 [waves goodnight] Aug 10 06:50:50 And I need to finish watching lost by the end of the month Aug 10 06:50:56 DougReeder: Who are you? Aug 10 06:51:01 DougReeder: I've never seen you here before? Aug 10 06:51:11 I'm not on very often. Aug 10 06:51:18 DougReeder: who are you? Aug 10 06:51:19 I'm the author of Outline Tracker Aug 10 06:51:22 hmm Aug 10 06:51:38 this one: http://outlinetracker.com/outlinetracker/index.html Aug 10 06:51:38 ? Aug 10 06:51:46 [nods] Aug 10 06:52:37 [grins] I'm a "frequent contributor" on the dev forums Aug 10 06:53:15 Ah Aug 10 06:53:17 I'm not Aug 10 06:53:24 I only hang out in here Aug 10 06:53:32 besides here, I'm tough to get a hold of Aug 10 06:53:46 You should learn to use /me btw Aug 10 06:54:37 * kesne looks at DougReeder Aug 10 06:54:55 but anyways, nice to meet you Aug 10 06:55:03 My name is Kesne, or Jordan Aug 10 06:55:04 * oil wishes it wasn't that easy to get ahold of kesne Aug 10 06:55:05 Jordan Gensler Aug 10 06:55:20 oil: If I'm not on here, you can't Aug 10 06:55:31 DougReeder: I use Outline Tracker a bit these days ... Aug 10 06:55:39 oh Aug 10 06:55:45 oil: :P Aug 10 06:55:47 Ah, that's how you emote. I've been on LambdaMoo these past 15 yeears. Aug 10 06:56:31 Rod, that's great! Does it do what you need it to? Aug 10 06:56:36 oil: If I'm on here, I'm on my computer Aug 10 06:56:45 or Aug 10 06:56:54 * DougReeder learns to emote, the IRC way. Aug 10 06:56:58 wIRC Aug 10 06:57:13 oil: If I'm not on here, only my irl friends can get a hold of me Aug 10 06:57:24 * oil is grateful for that Aug 10 06:57:28 oil: I only use wIRC when I have work to get done Aug 10 06:57:31 * kesne slaps oil Aug 10 06:57:49 You know you love me Aug 10 06:58:03 And my inability to look things up Aug 10 06:58:28 DougReeder: did you ever use Progect on PalmOS ? Aug 10 06:58:52 No, I used BrainForest and LifeBalance. Aug 10 06:59:06 * kesne waves goodbye Aug 10 06:59:17 Since then, I've played a bit with ShadowPlan, mostly to get export templates working. Aug 10 07:00:12 ... and Natara Bonsai likewise. Aug 10 07:00:45 DougReeder: one thing I was looking to do the other day, is to have top-level items as notes, but automatically have children be tasks Aug 10 07:01:19 Yes, that would be quite useful. Aug 10 07:01:53 It's on the list of features to add (with about 40 others) Aug 10 07:03:58 Basecamp To-Do Lists and To-Do Items already work that way. Aug 10 07:04:23 Thanks for mentioning it, I'll add your request to the tally. Aug 10 07:05:38 I don't want to seem flippant -- late at night my verbal skills decline. :-S Aug 10 07:07:16 Thanks for adding support in Save/Restore for Outline Tracker Aug 10 07:08:23 no worries Aug 10 07:16:01 * rwhitby wonders how devs who have apps not supported by save/restore deal with customers losing their data ... Aug 10 07:18:57 You can create a backup e-mail, and have users mail it to themselves. Aug 10 07:19:37 Unfortunately for Outline Tracker, few e-mail clients support saving HTML e-mails as HTML. Aug 10 07:34:41 * DougReeder waves goodnight Aug 10 08:07:36 ping Aug 10 08:09:02 ack Aug 10 08:44:59 pong swisstomcat Aug 10 08:45:53 ping Aug 10 08:46:10 damn it, missed it :p Aug 10 08:46:18 :) Aug 10 08:46:34 https://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2101&Itemid=24 Aug 10 08:46:38 are you joining me? Aug 10 08:49:54 Hi, anyone knows how I can receive the click of a second finger with sdl/pdk? I get the first one with BUTTON_LEFT but the second is beeing ignored. Aug 10 08:50:54 hallo sebastianha Aug 10 08:50:59 hi Aug 10 08:51:52 multi-touch should work Aug 10 08:53:01 At the moment I do a SDL_GetMouseState and then I am looking for SDL_BUTTON_LEFT Aug 10 08:53:22 you should ask codeslaw Aug 10 08:53:28 ok Aug 10 08:53:29 did you check the developer forum? Aug 10 08:53:45 i seem to remember that they talked about multi-touch Aug 10 08:53:49 mmh Aug 10 08:53:53 then I will have a look again Aug 10 08:54:36 codeslaw is doing an app that is (i assume) using multitouch Aug 10 08:54:39 pdk app Aug 10 08:55:52 https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=70&t=6474&hilit=multi+touch Aug 10 08:56:34 extern DECLSPEC Uint8 SDLCALL SDL_GetMultiMouseState(int which, int *x, int *y); Aug 10 08:56:57 yeah Aug 10 08:57:03 thats what I am looking for Aug 10 08:57:04 thanks Aug 10 09:05:18 works perfect, thanks Aug 10 11:50:57 morning Aug 10 11:53:58 morning haeffb Aug 10 11:54:13 saw and tested noted! Aug 10 11:54:17 seems to work well Aug 10 11:54:26 next: teux deux? :) Aug 10 12:26:00 there's a few bugs to work out yet... Aug 10 12:27:33 I will review the tutorial in a meeting I have scheduled this morning. Aug 10 12:27:37 off to work! Aug 10 12:44:54 cu Aug 10 13:26:34 * Anivrom|pre just edited the source files to tetris mania disabling demo mode Aug 10 13:27:13 hmm Aug 10 13:35:52 Is there a way I van debug on the device without being connected to acomputer? Aug 10 13:36:34 don't think so Aug 10 13:37:00 you can run debug in terminal :) Aug 10 13:38:11 How would I do that Aug 10 13:38:18 What's the command? Aug 10 13:38:58 you could try to run the ares debugger in the pre's browser :) Aug 10 13:39:09 Hahahaha Aug 10 13:39:34 Needs a usb connectuion Aug 10 13:40:39 Mmmm gotta have my timmies. Aug 10 13:42:02 Grr forgot to update feeds now I gotta sit throug that painful preware load again Aug 10 13:43:48 Question: what does do { Aug 10 13:44:02 ...erm do Aug 10 13:46:01 ? Aug 10 13:46:55 Looking at tetris source and they use do {} never heard od it before Aug 10 13:49:30 Rwhitby: which terminal app is the best? Aug 10 13:49:52 terminal Aug 10 13:50:18 And what's the command for debugging in terminal? Aug 10 13:51:06 I think there is a javascript low-level debugger called debug Aug 10 13:51:17 but I believe it's almost impossible to use Aug 10 13:51:39 So is it possible to debug natively? Aug 10 14:04:59 Apparently I'm not trying hard enoug. Halfway through the month and only 7 / 500 mb data used Aug 10 14:25:01 anyone had luck with playing (streaming) m3u files? Aug 10 14:25:16 with the audio object Aug 10 14:25:37 Hello again :) Aug 10 14:27:09 rehi Aug 10 14:51:31 morning everyone Aug 10 14:51:42 morning Aug 10 14:53:35 morning Aug 10 14:55:47 morning, all Aug 10 14:56:40 I'm getting this error when reordering the last item in my list : Error: WARNING: Caught exception in dragndrop container.dragEnter(): Error: NOT_FOUND_ERR: DOM Exception Aug 10 14:56:48 not sure if anyone has seen this error before Aug 10 14:58:18 the error occurs when I select the last item in my list and try to reorder somewhere, or if I try to reorder any item to the last position in the list Aug 10 14:59:44 seems strange Aug 10 15:00:43 yeah, it might have to do with the addItemLabel property...I'm hiding it when there are items in the list and showing it when the list is filtered an no items are matched Aug 10 15:18:45 Again a great log message from me: Aug 10 15:18:49 void CpuShareManager::writeEntry(const char*, int): Failed to open cpu share file... Aug 10 15:18:57 :S Aug 10 15:19:13 :D Just doing some static google maps api test Aug 10 15:19:58 loading the example from google (http://code.google.com/apis/maps/documentation/staticmaps/)in an img by using prototypes writeAttribute Aug 10 15:20:08 And boom Aug 10 15:20:12 there it it Aug 10 15:20:23 but the message as well Aug 10 15:22:00 does anyone know a webos cript or app (opensource) that can make the camera take a picture every 30s? Aug 10 15:22:00 No, but if you hum a few bars I can fake it Aug 10 15:22:01 Ohoo there is something bigger wrong..if I'm commenting out the writeAttr call the message consists - will check on it! Aug 10 15:22:04 script* Aug 10 15:22:58 Counter question: is there a possibility to execute a script located somewhere in the pre from the mojo side of life? Aug 10 15:23:49 If there is, you could place a little gstreamer script that (when executed) takes the photo and saves it in the pre media partition Aug 10 15:24:45 i have no idea honestly.. i can write bash scripts but i don't think they can access the webos style apps easily Aug 10 15:24:54 no Aug 10 15:24:58 not in Mojo Aug 10 15:25:04 you'd have to write a PDK app to do it Aug 10 15:25:21 swisstomcat: what version of webos do you run on your device? Aug 10 15:25:21 though if there was a linux app for the Pre that can take a picture using the camera, that would just work Aug 10 15:25:29 not involiving the mojo stuff Aug 10 15:25:33 lonestar: 1.4.5 Aug 10 15:25:49 k Aug 10 15:25:56 anyone use showAddItem with list widgets? Aug 10 15:26:12 sugardave: what version of webos u running in your device Aug 10 15:26:22 balrog-k1n: i though there's an app already that does interval photography Aug 10 15:26:26 is the some "novacom something something" command to take a picture? Aug 10 15:26:27 Hey sugar, this is possible? cool! Should do some pdk development in the future Aug 10 15:26:33 swisstomcat: do you remember its name? Aug 10 15:27:00 LoneStar99: 1.4.1.1 Aug 10 15:27:05 not right away Aug 10 15:27:15 might be a homebrew one Aug 10 15:27:15 time lapse or interval photography are good keywords Aug 10 15:27:19 plasmasolutions: technically possible, yes....how to do it? no clue :D Aug 10 15:27:26 sugardave: Aug 10 15:28:18 swisstomcat: oh yeah, I remember somebody in here WAY early on that was doing that...can't remember who, though Aug 10 15:30:42 sugardave: can you test the following link in your device and tell me if you hear something: http://urloid.com/bobchatter7 Aug 10 15:33:01 LoneStar99: nothing Aug 10 15:33:47 sugardave: no sound right? Aug 10 15:34:01 no sound Aug 10 15:34:12 bryanroth: I have Aug 10 15:34:24 swisstomcat: can you test http://urloid.com/bobchatter7 on your device? and tell me what it says... Aug 10 15:35:16 "this is text to voice" Aug 10 15:35:21 haeffb_pre: have any problems when trying to reorder your list? Aug 10 15:35:55 ok thanks Aug 10 15:36:26 sugardave: weird, the mp3 file only works with 1.4.5 Aug 10 15:36:33 wait, no, I just used the addItemLabel property Aug 10 15:36:55 haeffb_pre: dangit :) Aug 10 15:37:02 i can't find *anything* making use of the camera in homebrew apps on precentral.net Aug 10 15:38:44 LoneStar99: strange, I have mp3 working in 1.4.1.1 Aug 10 15:40:01 channel logs only go back to November Aug 10 15:40:05 are the stock apps, like the camera app, opensource? Aug 10 15:40:06 http://developer.palm.com/webChannel/index.php?packageid=com.thirdwishsoftware.timelapsemaker Aug 10 15:40:18 it is really weird, works on all browsers and on webos 1.4.5 but not on 1.4.1.1 Aug 10 15:40:30 balrog-k1n: stock apps are open source Aug 10 15:40:45 anyone test out my webos textmate bundle? Aug 10 15:40:54 hell no Aug 10 15:40:57 stock mojo-apps are open source Aug 10 15:41:04 and included in the SDK Aug 10 15:41:25 maybe i can just modify the camera app to take a pic every 30s then Aug 10 15:42:13 "As far as whether there will be a webOS OTA update for Sprint users today, and what version it will be, my guess is no better than yours." Aug 10 15:42:16 hmmm Aug 10 15:42:25 doesn't seem worth EUR 1,92 and having to install the app store thing and then not getting the source anyway Aug 10 15:42:44 balrog-k1n: if it's a Mojo app, you'll have the source Aug 10 15:43:21 i'll try changing the stock camera app first :) Aug 10 15:43:50 sugardave: do we have the source, or are they really open sourced? (as in: do they have a licence permitting us to alter it legally) Aug 10 15:44:30 madnificent: that depends on the dev...regardless of open/closed source model of the dev, you still technically have the source Aug 10 15:45:00 sugardave: how about the stock apps? like the camera app for instance Aug 10 15:45:16 i.e. none of my apps are open source, but I do NOTHING to protect it Aug 10 15:45:20 * madnificent does like the fact that they didn't obfuscate the source like a normal big company would do (even though it doesn't make sense) Aug 10 15:45:30 madnificent: all the stock mojo apps are open source Aug 10 15:45:53 GPL? or do you have an idea where I can find the license? Aug 10 15:46:00 hmmm Aug 10 15:46:08 I think MIT, but I'm not sure about that Aug 10 15:46:16 it's probably buried in the forum somewhere Aug 10 15:46:41 webOS stock apps are not OSI-approved open source licensed Aug 10 15:46:43 but you're certain that it is a 'free' license? That's mostly what matters to me about in right now Aug 10 15:46:49 madnificent: listen to rwhitby Aug 10 15:46:59 there is a restriction that they can only be used for development for a webOS device Aug 10 15:47:00 he's far more knowledgeable about it Aug 10 15:47:03 rwhitby: thanks Aug 10 15:47:17 rwhitby: great information, thanks :D Aug 10 15:47:47 http://git.webos-internals.org/, however, is open source :) Aug 10 15:47:59 :D Aug 10 15:48:20 rwhitby: yours? Aug 10 15:48:29 one day, there will be a Linux PDK and I can learn how to be a real programmer and MAYBE do some internals stuff, too :D Aug 10 15:49:13 madnificent: WebOS Internals is a group of experienced open source developers, of which I have some influence in the way that a cat herder does ;) Aug 10 15:49:20 hahaha Aug 10 15:49:25 rwhitby: :P Aug 10 15:49:50 I'll likely start devving too, if I release something, should I put it on there? or does github suffice? Aug 10 15:50:48 I don't know how the community works :) Aug 10 15:50:50 madnificent: your choice. if it's something that is suitable for inclusion in the webos-internals feeds in Preware, we'll happily give you access to the git server, or tell the autobuilder to grab the source from anywhere else. Aug 10 15:51:08 and what kind of things are suitable for inclusion? Aug 10 15:51:33 madnificent: the webos-internals feeds are usually reserved for things that cannot be done with the official Palm APIs. Aug 10 15:51:55 for normal open source mojo apps, you can submit straight to the official app catalog Aug 10 15:51:57 hey Aug 10 15:52:02 application updates are available Aug 10 15:52:32 madnificent: what's your open source background? Aug 10 15:52:35 rwhitby: and what if I'd prefer not to be in the official app catalog (don't know if there'll be any reason, but me not living in a country that sells pre's might give me a hard time) Aug 10 15:53:04 madnificent: you can also submit normal mojo apps through the precentral feed Aug 10 15:53:30 rwhitby: I'm a former rails programmer (still do that from time time, but don't like it). I've extend rails with minor things more than once, wrote plugins for it. I'm now mostly programming common lisp in my free time. Aug 10 15:53:47 bbiab Aug 10 15:54:01 madnificent: all of those feeds (including the official Palm feeds) end up in Preware Aug 10 15:54:12 Has anyone had any luck wit a sip client for webOS Aug 10 15:54:23 dkirker is working on one Aug 10 15:54:32 Oh really? Aug 10 15:54:44 I've thought of writing a PDK app which would allow me to run common lisp apps on webos, but I may team up with ericbb to do something slightly different Aug 10 15:54:48 someone could probably take linphone from optware and hook it up to zcorder ... Aug 10 15:55:31 Ya that is true, it would possibly work Aug 10 15:55:44 what is dkirker using? Aug 10 15:56:00 blood, sweat, and tears Aug 10 15:56:12 if the pre uses OSS for the sound system (like BSD still does and linux used to do) then it's probably possible to load the app in the PDK and just pipe the sound to there Aug 10 15:56:38 lol, thats the only way to get things done. Aug 10 15:56:45 if the pre uses something similar to ALSA, then you're screwed :) Aug 10 15:56:51 madnificent: talk to zsoc about it. there's a whole lot of complexity involved Aug 10 15:57:09 that is true but does anyone know what is used for sound? Aug 10 15:57:11 not least of which is that PDK apps are now jailed, and there is a whitelist of libs you can use Aug 10 15:57:36 where can you find those at? Aug 10 15:57:39 bhodder: yes, the sound subsystem is well understood. just look at the source code for zcorder at git.webos-internals.org Aug 10 15:57:46 why are they jailed? Can you break out of it as a programmer? Aug 10 15:57:49 bhodder: palm developer forums Aug 10 15:58:07 madnificent: 1.4.5 runs PDK apps as unprivileged users Aug 10 15:59:16 if you want to run stuff as root, you need to go homebrew with C services, like Preware, Govnah, Save/Restore, etc. Aug 10 15:59:40 and those will never be accepted in the official app catalog Aug 10 15:59:48 (for obvious reasons) Aug 10 16:00:11 haeffb_: found a better solution Aug 10 16:02:06 is dkirker very far into his? Aug 10 16:03:17 dunno - he's not doing it open source Aug 10 16:03:44 * oil weeps Aug 10 16:03:50 (or at least not open development - I dunno if he has decided on the eventual license yet) Aug 10 16:04:02 ohh ok Aug 10 16:05:02 morning everyone! Aug 10 16:05:14 hey dkirker. hope I have not mischaracterised anything :) Aug 10 16:05:22 nope, not at all. Aug 10 16:05:25 morning dkirker Aug 10 16:05:38 morning bhodder Aug 10 16:05:50 The PDK plugin will be open source. It uses pjsip for the sip stuff. Aug 10 16:05:56 morning dkirker Aug 10 16:06:03 morning bryanroth Aug 10 16:06:07 oh ok Aug 10 16:06:32 how the development been on it? Aug 10 16:06:43 kinda slow, for the audio stuff at least Aug 10 16:06:50 dkirker: does the jail have the requisite permissions to access the raw /dev points, or are you using non-whitelisted libs with the hope they will be whitelisted? Aug 10 16:07:09 the tough spot is that you cannot dynamically link non-Palm approved libraries... Aug 10 16:07:11 dkirker: you're going to run a pdk<->mojo app, that isn't allowed in the palm catalog, is it? Aug 10 16:07:19 madnificent: not yet Aug 10 16:07:36 I am still a few months out from being anywhere close to done. I still have to wait on Palm... :/ Aug 10 16:07:50 * dkirker is going to try to contact Rahul Sood Aug 10 16:07:56 have they stated when they will start accepting apps that do both? Aug 10 16:07:58 oh really, so any libraries that are not palm-approved cannon bee linked at all Aug 10 16:08:01 dkirker: good plan Aug 10 16:08:15 bhodder: cannot be dynamically linked Aug 10 16:08:16 bhodder: statically linked is ok Aug 10 16:08:53 but even static linking is no good if you don't have the perms in the jail to access the files in /dev that you need Aug 10 16:08:55 dkirker: ah, so you can actually work around it if necessary Aug 10 16:08:55 right but you need it do be dynamically linked, correct? Aug 10 16:09:02 erg, can you not set -webkit-border-image with .setAttribute()? Aug 10 16:09:03 wtf? Aug 10 16:09:11 thats not an attribute Aug 10 16:09:13 its a style Aug 10 16:09:21 oh Aug 10 16:09:21 duh Aug 10 16:09:24 thanks oil Aug 10 16:09:27 np Aug 10 16:09:31 or if you don't have the source to the libs that you wanted to dynamically link, and they contain proprietary code .. Aug 10 16:10:33 alright, time to finish getting ready for work and head out. See y'all in a bit. Aug 10 16:10:46 see ya in a bit Aug 10 16:11:07 * rwhitby notes that dkirker didn't answer the question about perms :) Aug 10 16:12:29 rwhitby: sorry :( Um. At the moment I was trying to use non-whitelisted libs, hoping that the default built into pjsip would work, but they don't... :/ Aug 10 16:12:57 where are the other libs located? Aug 10 16:13:22 right now I only link with pjsip. Aug 10 16:13:50 oh ok. Aug 10 16:14:14 well, I think it tries to make use of the pulse audio stuff... Aug 10 16:14:15 dkirker: no worries - just seeing whether anything that we know about might be able to help Aug 10 16:14:49 rwhitby: I've considered writing an alsa (I think that is the engine) sound driver for the short term. I think that is what is used in zcoder. Aug 10 16:14:53 dkirker: you can probably talk to BenC about presigned per-app jail configuration if the perms aren't enough Aug 10 16:15:41 I am fairly new to webOS and am trying to get involved with it as much as I can Aug 10 16:15:51 or we can get Preware to install a secondary Certification Authority and use that to sign a per-app jail configuration that lets you do what you need ... Aug 10 16:15:55 rwhitby will put you to work Aug 10 16:16:07 lol Aug 10 16:16:31 oil: where's that saved package list reimplementation? ;) Aug 10 16:16:40 floating around Aug 10 16:17:39 oil: we need to only exclude catalog feed apps - it seems that beta and web feeds are not automatically restored by your profile Aug 10 16:18:16 unfortunately, I can't see a way to do that without hard-coding palm feed names into Preware Aug 10 16:20:02 what is your saved package list oil? Aug 10 16:21:40 the one in preware Aug 10 16:22:10 oh ok. Aug 10 16:29:59 rwhitby, what all have you been working on Aug 10 16:30:39 bhodder: take a look at git.webos-internals.org and I'm involved somehow in almost everything there. Aug 10 16:31:03 (for some things I lead the development, for others I'm the packaging monkey) Aug 10 16:31:15 hehe... monkey Aug 10 16:31:33 oh cool Aug 10 16:31:57 of course homebrew packaging is often the difference between being able to uninstall something or something causing you to need to doctor ... Aug 10 16:34:03 ok that list you sent me to is that all stuff that is being worked on? Aug 10 16:34:12 yep Aug 10 16:34:44 woah... looks like a rails app embedded in textmate bundle.... Aug 10 16:34:48 sweeet jesus Aug 10 16:35:14 how does one go about getting involved in it? Aug 10 16:35:33 its like nike, just do it Aug 10 16:35:40 face-first Aug 10 16:36:11 ok, confirmed webOS textmate bundle works on more than just my computer Aug 10 16:36:14 sweey Aug 10 16:36:18 sweet Aug 10 16:37:38 basically, all thats left is to parse palm-log and its done Aug 10 16:37:48 it already builds, install, and launches applications Aug 10 16:39:00 assuming that its being run on a project in textmate with the webos app as the the root folder since that is where it looks for appinfo.json Aug 10 16:40:46 that's awesome. I need to check that out Aug 10 16:41:00 morning chuqui Aug 10 16:41:09 silentbluesystems.com/webOS.zip Aug 10 16:41:42 is that diff than the one linked from the Tools page at developer.palm.com? Aug 10 16:42:22 theres a textmate bundle on palm devs site? Aug 10 16:42:46 http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2063&Itemid=21 Aug 10 16:42:50 good morning! Aug 10 16:42:50 good morning chuqui Aug 10 16:42:55 http://github.com/devilx/palm-webos-development-tmbundle Aug 10 16:42:55 woo, Freeman Holdings now in the 3rd spot of 'webos' providers Aug 10 16:43:01 on elance Aug 10 16:43:11 chuq dogg Aug 10 16:43:21 oh lol never saw that Aug 10 16:43:26 that ones much better than mine Aug 10 16:43:32 hah Aug 10 16:43:34 I've done that Aug 10 16:43:50 until... I add palm log Aug 10 16:44:44 were you involved with the new language flash cards app, sugardave? Aug 10 16:45:18 I am involved in a flash card app, yes...not released yet (as far as I know) as I'm still working on it Aug 10 16:45:34 i see Aug 10 16:47:43 * rwhitby bbt - night all Aug 10 16:48:15 bhodder: sorry, missed your question - you get involved in WebOS Internals by doing stuff :) Aug 10 16:48:25 it's a meritocracy Aug 10 16:48:52 oh ok cool. Aug 10 16:49:35 * rwhitby now sleeps, hoping that a rumoured webOS release plays well with our servers Aug 10 16:50:04 is there a new webOS release coming out? Aug 10 16:50:23 bhodder: 1.4.5 is due out in the U.S. ...someday Aug 10 16:50:34 suuuuuure Aug 10 16:50:38 one might ask Aug 10 16:50:40 is 1.4.5 out yet? Aug 10 16:50:40 was going to be today, rumor said Aug 10 16:50:41 GIVE IT A REST, WILL YA!? Aug 10 16:50:50 pandora--: which rumor? Aug 10 16:50:59 precentral.net Aug 10 16:51:04 that 1.4.5.1 would hit US today Aug 10 16:51:05 ah Aug 10 16:51:45 dekan: 1.4.5 Aug 10 16:51:46 1.4.5 is never coming Aug 10 16:51:56 but what about 1.4.5.1? Aug 10 16:51:58 huh? Aug 10 16:52:02 I thought 1.4.5 was already out Aug 10 16:52:05 what you got to say about that, smart guy? Aug 10 16:52:18 bhodder: not on most Palm devices in the USA Aug 10 16:52:55 oh ok I have the Palm Pre in Canada Aug 10 16:53:02 1.4.5.1 Aug 10 16:53:03 1.4.5.1 is never coming Aug 10 16:53:11 heh Aug 10 16:53:15 1.4.5.1 Aug 10 16:53:15 1.4.5.1 is never coming Aug 10 16:53:17 hmm Aug 10 16:53:20 * maik pokes dekan Aug 10 16:53:20 BUUUUURRRRRPPPP! Aug 10 16:53:34 What's all this talk about poor souls not getting the update? Aug 10 16:54:09 Clearly tbe solution is for all you guys to move to the better country (canada) Aug 10 16:54:19 yeah, i already have 1.4.5 for weeks now Aug 10 16:54:27 Become a bonified canuck Aug 10 16:54:37 or to an even better country .. europe :) Aug 10 16:54:40 good food Aug 10 16:54:53 Europe isnt a country lol Aug 10 16:54:58 heh Aug 10 16:54:59 lol Aug 10 16:55:04 no kidding? Aug 10 16:55:11 Lolol Aug 10 16:55:37 what is Europe's capitol? Aug 10 16:55:42 brussels Aug 10 16:55:51 Switzerland ofc Aug 10 16:55:55 hehe Aug 10 16:56:10 switzerland has all the money Aug 10 16:56:22 "Swtzerland isn't a city" is supposed ti be the reply Aug 10 16:56:52 I got 1 mil in a swiss account Aug 10 16:56:58 Somewhere. Aug 10 16:57:03 I'm sure Aug 10 16:57:04 Europeans can't even grasp what gravy is for Aug 10 16:57:29 it's for... everything Aug 10 16:57:36 that's right! Aug 10 16:57:38 lol I have had it for weeks too. Aug 10 16:57:39 Actually... Aug 10 16:58:13 Have you ever tried swiss chalet gravy? I think they are pretty good at making gravy Aug 10 16:58:33 Keyword swiss Aug 10 16:58:48 lol Aug 10 16:58:49 there are only 2 types of gravy Aug 10 16:58:51 brown Aug 10 16:58:54 and awesome Aug 10 16:59:01 lol Aug 10 17:00:21 Swiss chalet gravy gives me an orgasm everytime I taste it. And I practically drink the stuff, so I'm pretty much on the floor in orgasmic seizures the whole time I'm at swiss chalet. Aug 10 17:00:47 Its awesome Aug 10 17:01:05 hmm Aug 10 17:01:13 never heard of swiss chalet gravy Aug 10 17:01:14 Did I mention I love swiss chalet gravy? Aug 10 17:01:19 lies Aug 10 17:01:21 Oh wow Aug 10 17:01:27 see? Aug 10 17:01:29 I told you Aug 10 17:01:33 I think its a canadian restaurant tbh Aug 10 17:01:56 and that swiss miss chocolate in the store is a lie too Aug 10 17:01:56 With the swiss "meta tag" if you will :P Aug 10 17:02:01 all I know about European food comes from London...and I gotta say, their food sucks Aug 10 17:02:22 swisstomcat: oh noes, I love the Swiss Miss Aug 10 17:02:23 sugardave: i agree, unless it's not english food ... take indian for example Aug 10 17:02:37 swisstomcat: yeah, I had some good Thai there Aug 10 17:02:47 and Filippino the last time I went Aug 10 17:02:49 pancit is tasty Aug 10 17:02:57 and the swiss military brand is a lie as well Aug 10 17:03:04 lies all over Aug 10 17:03:15 you guys are as bad as the Canadians! Aug 10 17:03:47 You're crushing my world view here swisstomcat. So everything I've ever believed is a lie? Aug 10 17:03:53 * Anivrom|pre 's eyes water Aug 10 17:03:57 basically, yes Aug 10 17:04:05 except chocolate,milk and banks Aug 10 17:04:18 * Anivrom|pre sniffles Aug 10 17:04:37 sorry to burst your bubble Aug 10 17:04:49 and the Pope Guards Aug 10 17:05:01 yeah Aug 10 17:05:14 before they were taken over by the illuminati Aug 10 17:05:18 haha Aug 10 17:06:04 Heh Aug 10 17:06:41 Vatican isn't in switzerland thiugh Aug 10 17:06:47 ... Aug 10 17:08:50 nope, but swiss people man the pope guard Aug 10 17:20:43 Blood sucking cell phone companies. Bill is supposed to be 35 + tax + usage (which is next to nothing) but my bill is 71 dollars 50 of that is plan. Aug 10 17:22:04 I had the same thing happen my first bill Aug 10 17:23:21 are you with Bell Anivrom|pre Aug 10 17:23:39 Ofc Aug 10 17:24:27 Have you ever gotten the ssh to work over EVDO Aug 10 17:27:15 Never tried Aug 10 17:27:43 I tried but always get a timeout, it never actually connects Aug 10 17:28:19 #webos-internals would be a good place to discuss that Aug 10 17:28:50 Oh ok Aug 10 17:31:04 Or you could just ask sugardave, he knows practically everything. He's th first thing you should do when yiu have a problem in any area. Doesn't even have to be webos related. Needless to say google should be your 'last resort' when sugardave is around :) Aug 10 17:31:48 lol ok I'll remember tat Aug 10 17:31:52 *that Aug 10 17:31:55 i'm gonna quote you on that Aug 10 17:32:04 next time i ask sugardave something Aug 10 17:32:16 If he's not around you might as well .// your wrists Aug 10 17:35:35 got it Aug 10 17:35:46 Just joking! Aug 10 17:35:58 Google should be your first resort Aug 10 17:36:04 Sugardave being your second :P Aug 10 17:36:56 * Anivrom|pre can't wait to eat Aug 10 17:37:05 Dekan: sugardave Aug 10 17:37:06 sugardave is my arch-nemesis Aug 10 17:37:08 Gay Aug 10 17:38:59 botsmack Aug 10 17:39:00 OUCH Aug 10 17:39:40 I used to be able to do SSH over EVDO...a LONG time ago, but I don't have openssh on my phone anymore, I think Aug 10 17:40:12 oh ok Aug 10 17:40:28 bhodder: but that's really all you need to do Aug 10 17:40:36 dev mode -> install some ssh server Aug 10 17:40:44 dropbear or openssh Aug 10 17:40:52 doesn't preware do this automatically now? Aug 10 17:41:08 maybe Aug 10 17:41:20 I think it used to default to port 222 or 2222 Aug 10 17:41:27 hang on, I'll check my old putty config Aug 10 17:42:09 port 222 is what I have Aug 10 17:42:42 ok Aug 10 17:50:05 sugardave: it kinda does Aug 10 17:50:18 but if you want users (like i do), then it's not as simple as it used to be Aug 10 17:50:31 (only because my user doesn't exist and i haven't gotten around to reconfiguring it) Aug 10 17:51:18 and sugardave, you still have to configure it properly... from what i saw, the default port was still 22 with the new optware Aug 10 17:51:47 Ya, i still get a timeout, i am on the bell network? Aug 10 17:52:40 bhodder: listen to HattCzech_work, I haven't ssh'd into my phone since the SDK was finally available :D Aug 10 17:53:02 anyone know the proper way to configure a user? that's my missing link Aug 10 17:53:11 ohhh ok Aug 10 17:53:42 sugardave: neither have i ;) i don't remember if it was 1.2 or 1.3, but one of them broke my user Aug 10 17:53:47 heh Aug 10 17:53:53 HattCzech i have the optware pkg installed and configured but it still gives me a timeout Aug 10 17:54:05 Bell might be blocking? Aug 10 17:54:55 they might be, but give me a sec... i want to get mine working, so then i can let you know Aug 10 17:55:35 ok Aug 10 17:57:10 hey Aug 10 17:57:12 just wondering Aug 10 17:57:23 have you guys realized Google almost only buy Python companies? Aug 10 18:18:15 Just got a 3 year recognition envelope, which signifies how long I've put off looking for a better job Aug 10 18:22:35 lol Aug 10 18:23:00 Anivrom|pre: Where do you work, if you don't mind me asking? Aug 10 18:23:08 heheh, that's an interesting way to look at it Aug 10 18:23:55 great, Palm's device registration does not recognize my Pixi's serial number.... Aug 10 18:24:06 *device registration website Aug 10 18:24:44 ohhh wonderful Aug 10 18:24:54 they know what you're doing Aug 10 18:25:03 any linux users in here? Aug 10 18:25:26 sup Aug 10 18:25:30 * dkirker raises his hand Aug 10 18:26:14 yup Aug 10 18:26:32 * oil uses it not as his main os Aug 10 18:27:14 Wont use anything but linux Aug 10 18:27:23 MacOS and Linux :) Aug 10 18:28:26 ah correction i would use MacOS :) Aug 10 18:28:37 <--- Customer Service Representative for a information security corporation Aug 10 18:29:02 lol Aug 10 18:29:32 that sounds lofty Aug 10 18:29:35 lol cool where abouts Aug 10 18:29:39 bhodder: Gotta love *NIX :D Aug 10 18:29:49 almost as good as "Technical Enablement Specialist" Aug 10 18:30:09 that is true :) Aug 10 18:30:20 Southern ontario Aug 10 18:30:24 You? Aug 10 18:30:46 New Brunswick Aug 10 18:30:55 Bah Aug 10 18:32:07 Atleast we can agree on the necessity of a timmies to keep ones soulvitalized Aug 10 18:32:10 this has to be the worst coffee that I have ever had! Aug 10 18:32:24 Shoulda bought a timmies dkirker Aug 10 18:32:51 timmies? Aug 10 18:33:14 sounds like a coffee shop that we don't have over here in California Aug 10 18:33:15 bhodder: wanna explain? Aug 10 18:33:21 lol aggreed Aug 10 18:33:39 no unfortunately you dont Aug 10 18:33:57 Good old Tim Hortin's Aug 10 18:33:57 Explain to this poor could what timmies is Aug 10 18:34:08 Hortons too Aug 10 18:34:17 only the best coffee shop there is Aug 10 18:34:26 :D Aug 10 18:34:27 There is actually a really good local coffee shop right across the street. Or a Starbucks downtown. I'll just go to the local one later today. Better than 'bucks. Aug 10 18:34:40 lol Aug 10 18:34:49 * sugardave gets the Folger's out of the pantry. Aug 10 18:34:57 To bad you dont have a timmies Aug 10 18:35:05 We're supposed to have coffee snobs here at work, but he picked terribly... Aug 10 18:35:08 * oil isn't addicted to coffee Aug 10 18:35:23 sugardave: No! No! Store it in the fridge! It is better when chilled. :) Aug 10 18:35:26 oil: me, neither, I hardly drink it, in truth Aug 10 18:35:33 Dr. Pepper on the other hand... Aug 10 18:35:38 lol Aug 10 18:35:40 yeah Aug 10 18:35:44 * sugardave goes through almost a 12-pack a day. Aug 10 18:35:45 i am definately addicted to coffee Aug 10 18:35:51 Intestingly enough bhodder, I gre up and live in hamilton which is the founding city of tim hortons, and every year I visit my grandparents in cochrane. Tim horton's hometown ( the hockey player) Aug 10 18:36:14 Ohh really, cool Aug 10 18:36:32 dkirker: oh yeah? will try to remember that ahead of time when I want some coffee :D Aug 10 18:36:51 I imagine now they have many there do they? Aug 10 18:37:13 There's a tims every 3rd city block in hamilton.... Its a cult.. Aug 10 18:37:14 sugardave: Yeah! The new containers are apparently made to be refridgerated. Aug 10 18:37:31 interesting Aug 10 18:37:41 Ppl buy it even when they don't feel like a coffee Aug 10 18:37:48 that is true Aug 10 18:37:55 They buy one when they haven't finished their last Aug 10 18:38:07 Ya I use to be guilty of that one Aug 10 18:38:24 I got one right now Aug 10 18:38:35 And just past 2 Aug 10 18:38:38 Passed Aug 10 18:39:36 I kid you not, there's a crossroads in hamilton with 3 tims on 3 of the corners Aug 10 18:39:41 lol there are 2 with 100 feet of my office Aug 10 18:39:49 okay, back... got busy at work Aug 10 18:39:50 wow Aug 10 18:40:01 oh ok no problem Aug 10 18:40:08 One is a full sized walkin, another is a miniature drivethroug, abd the third is inside the gas station, self serve Aug 10 18:40:20 so linux... what's the proper syntax for adding a new user to /etc/passwd ? Aug 10 18:40:47 wow Aug 10 18:40:56 user:?:?:?:fullname?:/bin/sh ? Aug 10 18:41:10 useradd user Aug 10 18:41:27 passwd user Aug 10 18:41:28 password Aug 10 18:41:29 password Aug 10 18:41:46 just like oil said Aug 10 18:41:48 urg, i'm still frustrated that my user was removed way back in one of those updates :/ Aug 10 18:42:49 hmmm, useradd not found :/ Aug 10 18:43:51 ohh right you are trying to do it on your palm Aug 10 18:44:19 adduser? Aug 10 18:44:19 xD Aug 10 18:44:51 indeed :) Aug 10 18:45:09 umm give me a minute to try Aug 10 18:45:11 that works :) Aug 10 18:45:17 haha Aug 10 18:45:19 adduser, not useradd ;) Aug 10 18:45:31 ya lol Aug 10 18:45:49 either or Aug 10 18:48:49 did that work for you HattCzech Aug 10 18:49:03 yeah, now i need to see if ssh is up and working Aug 10 18:49:26 i don't see that the port is open :/ Aug 10 18:50:38 oh, this was so much simpler when i was doing it all through the command line :) Aug 10 18:51:53 lol how are you trying to do it now? Aug 10 18:52:52 By typing in abra cadabra Aug 10 18:52:58 And waiting Aug 10 18:53:01 For something Aug 10 18:53:07 To happen Aug 10 18:53:50 ...does that work?! Aug 10 18:54:45 lol Aug 10 18:54:57 whish something like that would work Aug 10 19:02:59 hey guys Aug 10 19:03:00 http://thechive.com/2010/08/10/girl-quits-her-job-on-dry-erase-board-emails-entire-office-33-photos/ Aug 10 19:03:10 this article gets like 200 likes every 30 seconds or so Aug 10 19:03:10 lol Aug 10 19:03:12 * oil thought that was hilarious Aug 10 19:04:46 lol Aug 10 19:06:16 how are you checking to see if the port is open Aug 10 19:09:26 anyone having success in downolading 1.4.5 from Sprint? Aug 10 19:11:48 1.4.5 Aug 10 19:11:53 dekan: 1.4.5 Aug 10 19:11:54 1.4.5 is never coming Aug 10 19:12:16 bhodder: i tried modifying the mobi.optware.dropbear config and restarting Aug 10 19:12:38 i can see that i'm listening on 0.0.0.0:222 now, but that still doesn't seem right Aug 10 19:14:07 i think it should be 127.0.0.1:222 Aug 10 19:16:28 hey all! Aug 10 19:17:33 KESNE Aug 10 19:17:59 ewwwwww Aug 10 19:18:03 CTLAdvance!!!! Aug 10 19:19:01 i cant seem to see if I am even listening on ethier ports Aug 10 19:19:41 i don't consider listening on 0.0.0.0 to be listening at all :/ Aug 10 19:19:52 no me wither Aug 10 19:19:56 meaning it's still not configured properly... which sucks Aug 10 19:19:59 *either Aug 10 19:20:26 1.4.5? Aug 10 19:20:30 what's that Aug 10 19:20:32 ? Aug 10 19:20:45 how did you check? Aug 10 19:20:57 were not getting 1.4.5 Aug 10 19:21:02 netstat -nl Aug 10 19:21:03 were getting 1.4.5.1 Aug 10 19:21:36 i don't want 1.4.5 anymore... been waiting too long... Aug 10 19:21:38 i want 1.4.6 Aug 10 19:21:40 and nothing less Aug 10 19:22:07 Remember when Palm spoiled us with weekly updates? Aug 10 19:22:27 i do :( Aug 10 19:22:41 oh, new itunes version, new webos will be out soon... :) Aug 10 19:22:46 samething for me listening on 0.0.0:222 Aug 10 19:22:52 remember when palm spoiled us with a new device announcement Aug 10 19:22:54 ah, those were the days Aug 10 19:22:56 in jan 2009 Aug 10 19:23:10 hahahah, yes indeed Aug 10 19:23:30 anyone in here still use ssh on their pre/pixi? Aug 10 19:23:54 this new optware does not want to work Aug 10 19:25:54 * oil installed openssh with preware and it works perfectly on devpre Aug 10 19:26:03 your a devpre Aug 10 19:26:11 ;( Aug 10 19:26:57 I have it installed but doesnot want to run properly Aug 10 19:27:07 yuhu, sure Aug 10 19:28:56 Trying another attempt Aug 10 19:31:38 i have both openssh and dropbear, but neither work Aug 10 19:33:37 still no go Aug 10 19:33:49 and still listening on 0.0.0.0:222 Aug 10 19:33:53 :( Aug 10 19:35:06 CTLAdvance: What's happening Aug 10 19:35:20 still been really busy Aug 10 19:36:03 any luck HattCzech Aug 10 20:00:20 yay Aug 10 20:00:24 ohai Aug 10 20:01:24 rehi Aug 10 20:01:34 just saw terminator salvation on DVD .. awesome :) Aug 10 20:02:06 I still haven't see the 3rd one Aug 10 20:02:12 it was good Aug 10 20:02:15 popcorn for lunch Aug 10 20:02:18 ugggg Aug 10 20:02:33 salvation was decent Aug 10 20:03:10 3rd one sucked in comparison Aug 10 20:03:45 wow, the pdk hot apps is 1/3 over already, crap Aug 10 20:04:38 man i hope US gets 1.4.5 so i can start selling apps Aug 10 20:05:29 digitalpowers: Did you already submit your pdk app? Aug 10 20:05:36 it was all a bad dream Aug 10 20:05:45 no, i havent been able to test it on a pixi yet so i am waiting to submit Aug 10 20:06:29 v1.4.5 Aug 10 20:06:30 v1.4.5 is never coming Aug 10 20:06:44 i dont have a pixi so i have to wait for the patch to test it on a random pixi from one of my friends Aug 10 20:06:47 still deciding if i might create a pdk app ... i think hybrids are the way to go Aug 10 20:06:53 dekan, v1.4.5.1 is 1.4.5.1 might come Aug 10 20:06:53 Okay, Tibfib. Aug 10 20:06:56 v1.4.5.1 Aug 10 20:06:57 1.4.5.1 might come Aug 10 20:07:00 headed out see you all later Aug 10 20:07:01 scoobysnack Aug 10 20:07:02 Scoobydoobeedoo! Aug 10 20:07:04 swisstomcat: Anything past terminator 2 sux Aug 10 20:07:21 i enjoyed 4 Aug 10 20:07:22 1.4.5.1 Aug 10 20:07:23 1.4.5.1 is due out 10 Aug according to precentral rumor. now shut your mouth, sugardave. Aug 10 20:07:24 but 3 sucked Aug 10 20:07:25 well that and i dont want to have my app show up on the new app list way down at the bottom because i released it before america could even see it Aug 10 20:07:29 :D Aug 10 20:07:48 hahahahahaa Aug 10 20:08:04 swisstomcat: 4 was better than 3 Aug 10 20:08:07 Arg, I've gtg Aug 10 20:08:10 Later folks! Aug 10 20:08:14 way better, kesne Aug 10 20:08:17 cu Aug 10 20:08:49 this corn needs more pop Aug 10 20:09:47 botsmack Aug 10 20:09:47 * dekan dodges your attack and parries with a towel. Aug 10 20:10:29 * halfhalo_class gives dekan a never ending supply of coke Aug 10 20:10:29 * dekan now contains a never ending supply of coke. Aug 10 20:10:48 dekan gimme a glass of coke Aug 10 20:10:53 NAO Aug 10 20:10:54 coke or Coke? Aug 10 20:11:00 hehe Aug 10 20:11:02 heh Aug 10 20:11:05 ping warpdesign_ Aug 10 20:11:11 eh, doesn't matter Aug 10 20:11:30 tibfib: do you have examples of the two header styles for mojom? Aug 10 20:11:49 swisstomcat: I did, let me see if I still do Aug 10 20:12:33 yes i do. bar style: http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff357/Tibfib/mojo%20messenger/myaccount.png rounded style: http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff357/Tibfib/mojo%20messenger/palmmyaccount.png Aug 10 20:12:59 big difference Aug 10 20:13:06 i'd go with 1, no question Aug 10 20:13:16 *sigh* Aug 10 20:13:22 I've heard so many different opinions Aug 10 20:13:28 really? Aug 10 20:13:32 1 seems so much better Aug 10 20:13:39 but that's only one opinion Aug 10 20:13:56 what speaks for 2? Aug 10 20:13:59 1 fits better, but the second header looks better imo Aug 10 20:14:32 I have no lunch and am watching a cooking show Aug 10 20:14:38 it's your call and your app :) Aug 10 20:14:45 bad idea, halfhalo Aug 10 20:14:52 don't go shopping hungry Aug 10 20:15:02 and don't watch cooking shows hungry either Aug 10 20:15:06 swisstomcat: I'll make it an option. Just don't know what to have default Aug 10 20:15:10 I mean, I have a box of popcorn I can make... but... Aug 10 20:15:19 make a poll Aug 10 20:15:24 where? Aug 10 20:15:30 twitter. Aug 10 20:15:36 why not? Aug 10 20:16:58 tweet sent out Aug 10 20:17:56 now to go back to work Aug 10 20:18:05 wtg Aug 10 20:18:05 well now to work. Aug 10 20:18:11 gah Aug 10 20:18:19 out of popcorn in first bag Aug 10 20:20:22 do these links work for you ? http://bit.ly/9061tK http://bit.ly/91TgTc Aug 10 20:20:50 nvm Aug 10 20:21:14 yes Tibfib Aug 10 20:22:51 Tibfib: I kinda like the non-palm-header one Aug 10 20:23:48 that's what I've been hearing so far Aug 10 20:24:02 ok, textmate palm log working Aug 10 20:24:18 by default it just spits it out in a window Aug 10 20:27:41 Tibfib: do not make that an option Aug 10 20:27:54 haeffb_pre: why? Aug 10 20:28:06 why? Aug 10 20:28:15 zeeeeee Aug 10 20:28:22 NEVER NEVER GIVE USERS AND OPTION! Aug 10 20:28:41 it's purely cosmetic & doesnt affect the use of the app at all. Aug 10 20:28:54 pick one & go. Aug 10 20:28:55 haeffb_pre: in done you let the user pick the background color? Aug 10 20:29:21 true, but that's different. I'm special Aug 10 20:29:25 hahahaha Aug 10 20:29:46 too many options get confusing Aug 10 20:30:08 true. not worth it Aug 10 20:30:16 I'm gonna go with 2 Aug 10 20:30:23 thanks for everyone's feedback Aug 10 20:30:43 Tibfib: The Decider. Aug 10 20:31:33 wirc has a bunch of options, and its anything but confusing xD Aug 10 20:33:07 yes it is. you don't think so because you have intimate knowledge of each. Because you're special too. Aug 10 20:33:26 * Tibfib was able to figure it out easily enough Aug 10 20:33:27 * sugardave is spatial. Aug 10 20:33:50 * halfhalo_class is crazy Aug 10 20:33:51 yay, tibfib :) Aug 10 20:34:55 haeffb_pre: are there only 3 "independents" in the BCS/FBS system? Navy, Notre Dame, and Army? Aug 10 20:35:07 for football Aug 10 20:35:35 and yes, I have already googled it...looking for second opinion Aug 10 20:38:33 ping warpdesign_ Aug 10 20:39:34 hahahahahaha Aug 10 20:39:41 watching masterchef ep 2 Aug 10 20:39:53 LA traffic is screwing with one person Aug 10 20:41:52 lol http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3bgipCebuI Aug 10 20:44:56 haha Aug 10 20:45:37 and another good one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLDx-BPgxxA Aug 10 20:45:41 that was really well recut Aug 10 20:54:28 i concur, dumb an dumber was great Aug 10 20:58:20 sugardave: afaik that sounds right. Aug 10 20:59:10 urg, how do i get dropbear (or openssh) working? :/ Aug 10 21:21:16 man, I feel sorry for the WAC...they have _2_ Aggies teams in that conference Aug 10 21:22:06 so what are you doing, anyhow? Aug 10 21:22:21 soon, I will release it Aug 10 21:22:27 Theres a snake in your boot Aug 10 21:22:39 probably see how this whole beta feed thing works Aug 10 21:22:40 hehe .. TS3 Aug 10 21:22:56 im so lost Aug 10 21:23:50 * HattCzech_work is aboug to give up (again) on ssh :/ Aug 10 21:27:47 "there's a snake in your boot" is from toy story Aug 10 21:30:53 yup Aug 10 21:34:16 okay, another question: has anyone here setup dropbear or openssh on another linux platform? Aug 10 21:35:38 whee, all static info complete Aug 10 21:38:08 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:OpenSSH ? Aug 10 21:40:07 i've looked over that Aug 10 21:40:11 i'm just wondering if it's running properly Aug 10 21:40:32 i would think i would see an port listening on 22 (or 222) Aug 10 21:40:47 well, i do, but it's 0.0.0.0 Aug 10 21:40:54 i'd expect it to be 127.0.0.1 Aug 10 21:41:31 sounds like ipv6 Aug 10 21:41:43 but not Aug 10 21:42:12 haeffb_pre: want to see the app? Aug 10 21:42:23 email Aug 10 21:42:28 yeah, that was the google info that i typically saw :/ Aug 10 21:42:29 k Aug 10 21:42:42 any thoughts on noted? Aug 10 21:42:48 sugardave: i want to see "the" app as well Aug 10 21:42:58 haven't looked at it yet...finishing up a couple of client things Aug 10 21:42:59 if that's okay Aug 10 21:43:13 haeffb_pre: I will load it up shortly Aug 10 21:43:17 HattCzech_work: email? Aug 10 21:44:52 time to head to bed, goodnight everyone Aug 10 21:45:20 night Aug 10 21:45:52 night Aug 10 21:47:23 okay, mail sent Aug 10 21:48:11 the "don't steal" part is for the non-dev peeps on the list :D Aug 10 21:48:22 I know where you other guys live Aug 10 21:48:55 oh snap! how'd you find out!? Aug 10 21:48:57 * HattCzech_work hides Aug 10 21:48:58 whats this about me stealing stuff Aug 10 21:49:55 sugardave: awsome Aug 10 21:50:04 yeah? Aug 10 21:50:09 cool Aug 10 21:50:25 where do e-mail attachments save? i thought it was media/internal/downloads Aug 10 21:50:43 except the Big XII is now going to be 10 and will have no north/south after this year. Aug 10 21:50:52 I know...app updates :D Aug 10 21:51:03 there's a lot of stuff changing next year Aug 10 21:51:27 and the University of South Alabama gets to play football in 2013 or 2014 Aug 10 21:51:30 I can picture my wife walking through Allen Fieldhouse with her pixi held high flashing the black & gold... :) Aug 10 21:51:38 yay :D Aug 10 21:51:49 it is pixi compatible, right... :) Aug 10 21:51:55 dev'd in Pixi mode Aug 10 21:52:06 I always start in Pixi resolution now Aug 10 21:52:50 sugardave: why isn't the flasher full screen? :) Aug 10 21:53:14 oh, good idea :D Aug 10 21:53:52 I haven't done any fullscreen things...are there weird considerations you have to make, or does everything work like normal? Aug 10 21:54:40 dangit. I hate palm lists sooo much. Aug 10 21:54:43 for the most part, things work Aug 10 21:54:51 notifications pop up and then disappear Aug 10 21:55:09 but the notification area doesn't hang around (nor the title bar and carrier, etc.) Aug 10 21:55:16 ah, cool Aug 10 21:55:20 whys that tibfib? Aug 10 21:55:24 * sugardave makes notes. Aug 10 21:55:38 just wait for a backswipe to un-full screen it or something Aug 10 21:55:49 oil: if you're list gets too big, calling modelchanged doesn't work right Aug 10 21:56:08 * oil has never ran into that Aug 10 21:56:14 how big is "too big"? Aug 10 21:56:35 50+ items. but all my items have image backgrounds which helps the bug Aug 10 21:56:59 what do you guys think about having the groups expanded? should I have them all collapsed first or leave it like it is? Aug 10 21:57:00 prewares "list of everything" has thousands of rows Aug 10 21:57:25 oil: the issue is more complicated than having lots of items Aug 10 21:57:33 then dont blame it on that :) Aug 10 21:57:51 redmine is a pain... Aug 10 21:57:56 Well that IS the cause. but there are other factors Aug 10 22:00:31 sugardave: collapsed first Aug 10 22:00:46 yeah, I think so, too Aug 10 22:01:13 collapsed Aug 10 22:02:10 * haeffb_ still needs to look at preware code Aug 10 22:02:29 hm? Aug 10 22:04:59 list of everything Aug 10 22:05:00 is the jam Aug 10 22:05:20 lol Aug 10 22:05:30 the design of preware is still so close to the design docs Aug 10 22:06:18 http://www.webos-internals.org/images/5/57/OPS_App_Mockup1.png Aug 10 22:06:20 you don't use a filterlist, tho, right? Aug 10 22:06:25 no, no filter list Aug 10 22:06:27 normal list Aug 10 22:07:12 with a filter field? Aug 10 22:07:21 haeffb_: I'm going to skip the first one you sent Aug 10 22:07:22 a text widget Aug 10 22:07:30 sugardave: good idea Aug 10 22:07:49 why no filter field? Aug 10 22:07:59 cause it was pissing me off so i did my own thing Aug 10 22:08:10 probably should skip the second as well...the third is gonna be the bomb. Aug 10 22:08:20 lol Aug 10 22:08:29 heh Aug 10 22:08:38 third one might even work Aug 10 22:08:49 as soon as I get it done. Aug 10 22:09:00 but first, gotta put the taters in the oven Aug 10 22:09:43 I can't sign up :( Aug 10 22:09:46 http://redmine.silentbluesystems.com/ Aug 10 22:09:50 ahahahahahahaha Aug 10 22:10:49 oh, there it is Aug 10 22:11:54 yeah, gonna have to include a direct link to the signup page Aug 10 22:12:17 they hide it even on the "don't have an iOS device?" page Aug 10 22:12:22 well, not hide Aug 10 22:12:27 but they should take you to the damn form Aug 10 22:15:47 hallo all Aug 10 22:16:22 haeffb_: am I supposed to be able to make a note on the phone and see it on the site after a refresh? Aug 10 22:16:51 yes. but it's not working in the second. Will in the third... :) Aug 10 22:16:55 is there anyway to get sound out of emulator? Aug 10 22:17:24 haeffb_: ah, okay Aug 10 22:17:33 LoneStar99: only wav files, I think, and that is not 100% Aug 10 22:17:54 boo... Aug 10 22:18:48 anyone have a clear path on their network and have nmap installed? Aug 10 22:19:04 (clear path = no proxy) Aug 10 22:19:26 let me see if I have nmap installed Aug 10 22:20:14 okay, I haven't used this in a long time Aug 10 22:20:24 you got a specific command you want run? Aug 10 22:20:49 -Pn -p22-222 68.241.63.221 Aug 10 22:21:04 hopefully that works Aug 10 22:21:09 negative Aug 10 22:21:17 error or no results? Aug 10 22:21:18 illegal argument to -P Aug 10 22:21:27 try it w/o the -Pn Aug 10 22:21:41 it wants -PN or -PO -PI, or a whole lot of other ones Aug 10 22:21:43 okay Aug 10 22:21:56 oh Aug 10 22:21:56 yeah, documentation i found wasn't good i guess Aug 10 22:21:57 capital N Aug 10 22:22:05 (even though it was on their site) Aug 10 22:22:06 it's just sitting there now Aug 10 22:22:18 port 222 Aug 10 22:22:21 tcp open Aug 10 22:22:24 interesting Aug 10 22:22:27 rsh-spx Aug 10 22:22:31 do you have putty? :) Aug 10 22:22:43 not on this machine...I can ssh out, though Aug 10 22:22:58 okay, try to ssh into it Aug 10 22:23:05 user: hattczechpre Aug 10 22:23:12 see if it prompts for a pw Aug 10 22:23:48 indeed it is asking me to store this key and now for a password Aug 10 22:24:02 hmmm, okay, so i DID get ssh working Aug 10 22:24:08 looks like it :D Aug 10 22:24:08 excellent Aug 10 22:24:15 * HattCzech_work rubs hands together Aug 10 22:24:26 you have 200 filtered ports that were not shown by nmap Aug 10 22:24:58 yeah, nothing else should be open (to my knowledge) Aug 10 22:25:08 just do -p22 this time... Aug 10 22:25:09 oh right Aug 10 22:25:11 that's the phone Aug 10 22:25:15 give me a sec first Aug 10 22:25:54 22 is the phone? huh? Aug 10 22:26:08 well, nmap that port, see if it's open now Aug 10 22:26:10 no, I was thinking of the IP Aug 10 22:26:21 the ip is the phone. not your network Aug 10 22:26:28 * sugardave was being dumb. Aug 10 22:26:29 correct Aug 10 22:26:45 okay, ready for port 22 test? Aug 10 22:26:47 it happens to all of us Aug 10 22:26:50 yup Aug 10 22:27:10 looks like it is timing out Aug 10 22:27:16 yep Aug 10 22:27:32 try again Aug 10 22:28:02 nope Aug 10 22:28:32 hmmm, okay, now check 222 Aug 10 22:28:52 connection refused Aug 10 22:29:15 once more Aug 10 22:29:33 password prompt Aug 10 22:29:39 okay, so it works Aug 10 22:29:45 and i can turn it on and off Aug 10 22:29:55 * HattCzech_work makes a mental note to create an interface for this Aug 10 22:31:21 oh, let me change something and can you test once more in a minute? Aug 10 22:33:48 sugardave: can you check 222 again? Aug 10 22:33:49 Roy-Pre101: ping Aug 10 22:34:06 connection refused Aug 10 22:34:19 urg, openssh fail... Aug 10 22:34:29 dropbear != fail Aug 10 22:34:36 heh Aug 10 22:34:40 and i don't know why Aug 10 22:34:57 I used openssh originally, but had to do some weird shit to let winscp work against it Aug 10 22:35:05 sugardave: pong Aug 10 22:35:11 I think the 2nd time I tried out dropbear Aug 10 22:35:22 is this hackathon going to be a true 24-hour gig? Aug 10 22:35:40 Roy-Pre101: I ask because I think we're taking my daughter to Schlitterbahn that day for her birthday? Aug 10 22:35:44 sugardave: We're working out the schedules still. Probably more like 12 hours or so. Aug 10 22:35:51 bummer Aug 10 22:35:53 But we'll see how long it takes. Aug 10 22:36:00 It may spill over into Sunday. We'll see. Aug 10 22:36:20 well, I'm going to sign up, but I don't know what time we're going to be back Aug 10 22:36:28 That's fine Aug 10 22:39:10 hackathon? Aug 10 22:39:15 is this the spaz stuff? Aug 10 22:39:21 or something else? Aug 10 22:40:53 http://i.imgur.com/0EKUX.jpg Aug 10 22:41:40 i'm also interested in this hackathon... what is it? Aug 10 22:42:26 http://bit.ly/aRVG5K Aug 10 22:43:33 i thought the hackathon was over Aug 10 22:43:41 what the f*ck Aug 10 22:43:44 gmail just changed on me Aug 10 22:43:49 totally broke gmail redesigned Aug 10 22:43:56 it was fine 1 minute ago Aug 10 22:44:04 now it tells me theres a new look and craps all broke Aug 10 22:44:19 delete gmail cookies? Aug 10 22:44:28 not a Spaz hackathon Aug 10 22:44:38 a general webOS community uberHackathon Aug 10 22:44:43 oh, I see Aug 10 22:45:39 interesting Aug 10 22:45:48 i think that would be fun Aug 10 22:46:29 but i'm off for now, so i shall talk to y'all later Aug 10 22:46:40 sugardave: thanks for the port scan help Aug 10 22:46:48 np Aug 10 22:46:58 adios Aug 10 22:49:52 sugardave: Think I have a working version now. Aug 10 22:50:34 downloading Aug 10 22:51:53 hackathon sounds fun Aug 10 22:52:34 did 1.4.5.1 come out yet? i took a nap Aug 10 22:52:50 go back to sleep Aug 10 22:52:59 haeffb_: should I expect it to update the original note I made now or do I need to make a new note? Aug 10 22:53:22 good question. Not sure. Aug 10 22:53:33 can't remember exactly how/where it was broke. Aug 10 22:53:38 okay, former is not working Aug 10 22:54:16 try the latter Aug 10 22:54:39 maybe you should delete & reinstall Aug 10 22:56:25 http://bit.ly/aIsGGD Aug 10 22:57:57 publishers clearing house? Aug 10 22:58:00 okay, it is working Aug 10 22:58:05 woohoo! Aug 10 22:58:10 :D Aug 10 22:58:26 has a type to search feature Aug 10 22:58:39 oooo, nice Aug 10 22:58:46 notes have no categories, folders or anything. just notes. Aug 10 22:58:59 Very simple. Aug 10 22:59:08 yeah, that is cool Aug 10 22:59:24 Eventually will add the ability to start typing & it will search until you hit "Enter" and it will then create a new note. Aug 10 22:59:27 have most carriers released 1.4.5? Aug 10 22:59:58 haeffb_: that will be a good feature Aug 10 23:00:07 think I will put this version out on precentral... Aug 10 23:00:18 unless you see any glaring showstoppers? Aug 10 23:00:32 oh, hang on Aug 10 23:00:47 add, delete from device, add, delete from web. Aug 10 23:00:50 I hadn't checked the preferences yet Aug 10 23:02:59 hmm..I just got an unable to connect to simplenote message and a spinner/scrim Aug 10 23:04:12 haeffb_: you might want to fix this one Aug 10 23:04:24 yes, good idea. Aug 10 23:04:26 I think that if I go to make a new note on the phone, then backswipe Aug 10 23:04:43 without entering anything Aug 10 23:04:46 it messes you up Aug 10 23:04:54 hmmm...yep. Aug 10 23:05:34 and reason why I can't get "icon: down" to show up correctly in my viewMenu? I see the folder icon Aug 10 23:05:47 any* Aug 10 23:05:57 dohtem: it's holding a grudge? Aug 10 23:06:50 sugardave: heh, feels like it sometimes Aug 10 23:07:01 sugardave: two options.... Aug 10 23:07:15 brb Aug 10 23:08:34 1) in the editnote scene, if note="" delete the note from db when exiting the scene Aug 10 23:09:19 2) when creating a new note, put "New Note" in the note field, with mojoFocusSelectMode so that "New Note" is selected and ready to type over Aug 10 23:10:04 I'd do option 1 Aug 10 23:10:28 1) has complications (what if user flick-closes the app?) Aug 10 23:10:28 2) is maybe not the preferred user experience...but much simpler to do. Aug 10 23:10:34 are you still saving to the db on every keypress? Aug 10 23:10:39 yes Aug 10 23:10:44 oh noes Aug 10 23:10:49 oh yesses Aug 10 23:11:04 its "the Palm way"(tm) Aug 10 23:11:09 welllll..... Aug 10 23:11:29 Notes can be much longer than 4k. Aug 10 23:11:52 hmm...so you make a distinction that the first enter marks the end of the title of the note? Aug 10 23:11:59 Yep. Aug 10 23:12:06 Frooom! Aug 10 23:12:11 alright...how about hybrid approach? Aug 10 23:12:24 you save the new note as a cookie until the enter hits Aug 10 23:12:42 and then if you don't get a title, you ditch the cookie and don't have to worry about deleting the db record either Aug 10 23:13:18 but, if the title is > 4k you've got problems, I guess Aug 10 23:13:24 I create the db record from the taskslist scene Aug 10 23:13:24 you already have a new note. Aug 10 23:13:45 Is note going to be saved no matter what on scene exit? Aug 10 23:14:11 haeffb_: right, I propose not to already have one until the title is created Aug 10 23:14:22 I could save up to 100 keypresses in a cookie or something like that Aug 10 23:14:22 some buffer size Aug 10 23:14:22 halfhalo-srv: it's currently saved on every keypress Aug 10 23:14:37 To a db? Aug 10 23:14:38 haeffb_: yeah, that would work, too Aug 10 23:14:54 sugardave: that complicates because I need to send a note to the edit scene Aug 10 23:15:03 halfhalo-srv: yes Aug 10 23:15:10 Because what you could do is just save it to an internal variable until a save condition is met then save the thing Aug 10 23:15:18 yeah Aug 10 23:15:20 that Aug 10 23:15:46 halfhalo-srv: not good if the user flick-closes the app Aug 10 23:15:51 he's trying to combat against a flick-close of the app blowing away the note Aug 10 23:16:04 odd Aug 10 23:16:11 If flick close is done doesn't cleanup get called? Aug 10 23:16:14 i dont see how to remove an attachment in gmail Aug 10 23:16:25 oh nm you removie the checkmark.. Aug 10 23:16:32 yes, but there's not enough time for a DB transaction before the app is gone Aug 10 23:16:58 so I could do a combination of cookie buffer & db save Aug 10 23:17:11 isn't there some magic method that says let this live a little longer? Aug 10 23:17:21 nope, not to my knowledge Aug 10 23:17:32 what about that synchronizer thing Aug 10 23:17:37 you can create a new stage Aug 10 23:17:54 dawm_: app is gone dead. Aug 10 23:17:55 heh...I wonder if you could overwrite the .cleanup() prototype Aug 10 23:18:29 Nah what it sounds like youbwould do in this case would be a dashboard scene until it's done saving all open notes Aug 10 23:19:12 Which is effort Aug 10 23:19:35 yep Aug 10 23:19:42 saving on every keypress is easy Aug 10 23:22:53 a 'note' could just be an object, you save to cookie on every key press until enter so you know you have a note, or any key for that matter, then save on every press to db Aug 10 23:23:19 the important thing is to be able to abort the save function if a backswipe is the first thing that happens after adding a note Aug 10 23:23:58 abort it or delete the note Aug 10 23:24:34 is there a .cleanup() for stageController? Aug 10 23:24:41 yes Aug 10 23:24:42 dawm_: I think so Aug 10 23:25:04 haeffb_: or delete, but I'd try to avoid saving it in the first place if there's nothing there Aug 10 23:25:43 but having it there makes loading the edit scene SOOO much simpler - new or edit existing is same code. Aug 10 23:26:01 I'll think 'bout it Aug 10 23:26:14 it could still be, I think Aug 10 23:32:05 is the hackathon going to meet up in here? Aug 10 23:40:01 iPad fail.... Aug 10 23:43:11 heh Aug 10 23:45:37 God... Dammit... Artgnsdjf Aug 10 23:46:53 ASDF! A! S! D! F! Aug 10 23:47:18 lol Aug 10 23:47:29 asdfffffffffffffffffff Aug 10 23:47:45 playing around with existing redmine plugins Aug 10 23:47:47 ;lkj Aug 10 23:48:16 this jetblue guy is the new awesomeness! Aug 10 23:48:46 ohhh... it ties into grack Aug 10 23:48:46 cuss the passengers out, pop the emergency chute, grab 2 beers and bail out in style Aug 10 23:49:18 he's the Johnny Paycheck of the '10s Aug 10 23:49:28 I like grack... much faster got over http Aug 10 23:49:37 git* Aug 10 23:56:07 finding Dom elements left and top properties from an external js file? Aug 10 23:56:40 what about it Aug 10 23:56:45 wondering how Aug 10 23:57:18 no idea Aug 10 23:57:53 oil: what was that solution for getting the controller of another scene? Aug 10 23:58:36 meh ill just do it my way Aug 11 00:00:51 oooohhh... rest api for redmine Aug 11 00:09:54 If a program is distributed under the GPL, is it legal to port it to webOS and distribute it at the App Catalog as a third person? Aug 11 00:21:35 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sarB0ni3B2Y&feature=related // First comment LOL Aug 11 00:25:15 moooo Aug 11 00:26:55 boom bam baby Aug 11 00:30:26 saw something interesting the other day, rather heard Aug 11 00:30:48 was at JCPennys and some old lady's cell phone rang Aug 11 00:31:03 it was the Duke Nukem Theme song (MIDI) Aug 11 00:33:22 heh Aug 11 00:36:54 hey gusy Aug 11 00:36:55 guys Aug 11 00:36:55 Peter is the maker of Pickup Sports, it is an award winning application that allows people to share information about local pickup games.  He is also co-founder of Goodspeak, which is a platform to bring more transparency to the companies through reviews and discussions.  Aug 11 00:36:59 does this sound good? Aug 11 00:37:26 you missed "He's got supah asian POWAHHHHHH's Aug 11 00:37:28 " Aug 11 00:37:33 =| Aug 11 00:37:48 well, they need my information Aug 11 00:38:14 thats important information indeed Aug 11 00:40:05 sebastianha: I'm no expert, in fact I know very little about open source licenses, but I think the answer to your question is mostly "yes" Aug 11 00:40:18 ok Aug 11 00:45:14 sigh, i thought that was to me Aug 11 00:45:18 does my quote sounds good? Aug 11 00:45:32 yes Aug 11 00:45:40 thanks =) Aug 11 00:45:52 haeffb_: so, what is your general release plan...go to pre-central with the beta, then after some fixes/polishing go to app catalog as a paid app? Aug 11 00:46:36 oh you made fantasy chat Aug 11 00:46:50 i remember helping you a long time ago, rather giving suggestions Aug 11 00:46:55 he uses it on a regular basis :P Aug 11 00:48:39 dawm|laptop: want to see what I made for this guy so far? Aug 11 00:48:44 yes Aug 11 00:48:46 :P Aug 11 00:48:52 for dave? Aug 11 00:48:55 yeah Aug 11 00:49:19 Anivrom: you wouldn't like it Aug 11 00:49:24 oh ok Aug 11 00:49:37 it's collegiate-related REAL football stuff Aug 11 00:49:39 toss me an email with it biocandy @ gmail Aug 11 00:49:46 oh I see. Aug 11 00:49:54 But I would like to see the app itself Aug 11 00:50:36 Anivrom: email? Aug 11 00:50:45 @gmail.com Aug 11 00:51:21 http://thechive.com/2010/08/10/girl-quits-her-job-on-dry-erase-board-emails-entire-office-33-photos/ Aug 11 00:51:27 170,000 facebook shares Aug 11 00:51:41 this article has 100 folded the entire website's traffic, lol Aug 11 00:54:28 damn, gmail ooopsed 3 times on that one Aug 11 00:55:04 Nyceane: heh Aug 11 00:55:29 whats interesting in the first couple images it says HOPA.. then it turns into HPOA .. Aug 11 00:55:35 sugardave: yes, that's my plan Aug 11 00:55:36 oo like the small button class Aug 11 00:55:49 yeah, small buttons are slick-looking Aug 11 00:55:55 haeffb_: I'ma copy you Aug 11 00:56:04 May I suggest bolding "How to Use:" Aug 11 00:56:21 Anivrom: yeah, you didn't get the original email that said "no making fun of layout" :P Aug 11 00:56:29 haha Aug 11 00:57:02 * oil wants to see screenshot of small button class Aug 11 00:57:18 OMG Aug 11 00:57:20 ipk size 22K, schools.json ~30K Aug 11 00:57:21 crap tacular.. Aug 11 00:57:27 dawm|laptop: :P Aug 11 00:57:34 fix the f'n UI Aug 11 00:57:37 thats alot of info Aug 11 00:57:58 I will be fixing it...just wanted to make sure the parts work Aug 11 00:58:09 thats what she said Aug 11 00:58:18 that's all of the BCS football schools Aug 11 00:59:13 need a loading scrim, even if its for a second, better then blank then data filled Aug 11 00:59:27 my game needs something like that Aug 11 01:00:17 these random drops are proving more difficult than I thought they would Aug 11 01:00:36 dawm|laptop: noted Aug 11 01:00:53 sorry, noted is copyrighted already Aug 11 01:01:06 !detoN Aug 11 01:01:56 dave another thin you can add Aug 11 01:02:08 a 2nd style flasher Aug 11 01:02:14 sugardave: fixed by not creating the record until keypress Aug 11 01:02:24 show both colors (50% height) and alternate them Aug 11 01:02:32 haeffb_: that's better Aug 11 01:02:47 dawm|laptop: ah, that's a good idea Aug 11 01:02:58 kinda like a cop flasher Aug 11 01:03:01 yeah Aug 11 01:03:16 * haeffb_ says, reluctantly, "Sugardave was right." Aug 11 01:03:28 !!! dont publicly declare that Aug 11 01:03:43 heh Aug 11 01:05:04 * haeffb_ modifies to "Sugardave was right. This one time." Aug 11 01:05:11 that sounds better Aug 11 01:06:05 its either my usb cord or jack on my pre, im thinking jack on my pre. when I move the cord slightly even bumping my pre, it disconnects the connection Aug 11 01:06:19 yep the pre Aug 11 01:06:28 mine did that just before it killed the touchscreen Aug 11 01:06:36 bah Aug 11 01:06:46 i had to wiggle the usb if the touchscreen stopped Aug 11 01:06:47 is that grounds for a brand new pre? Aug 11 01:06:52 and it would stop on a hard close Aug 11 01:07:01 if you can replicate it Aug 11 01:07:09 which i was able to do once i found out it was the usb port Aug 11 01:07:28 if it was wiggled it would kill my touch screen, and if i fiddled with it again i could get the touch working Aug 11 01:07:53 ok so when you brought it in you got a brand new pre? eventually? Aug 11 01:10:09 no i got a refurb, a day or two later Aug 11 01:10:18 bah Aug 11 01:10:22 looked and worked new Aug 11 01:10:27 I'm looking to extend my warranty Aug 11 01:10:28 I'm looking to sextend my warranty Aug 11 01:10:39 has survived 100s of drops (dents and scratches to prove it) Aug 11 01:10:55 limp it along until the next webOS device comes out Aug 11 01:11:17 according to rahul we shouldnt be disappointed :P Aug 11 01:11:19 which I wont buy cause I can't spend hundreds on a device Aug 11 01:12:20 nah you just have to wait for bestbuy to mess up again.. Aug 11 01:12:30 hum? Aug 11 01:12:32 got my pre for $99 a month after it came out :D Aug 11 01:12:43 Mine was free 3 year contract Aug 11 01:12:57 whoever made the sign forgot to add a 1 to 99 (was supposed to be 199) Aug 11 01:13:06 heh Aug 11 01:13:34 renewals and new subscribers.. it was a good day for my HTC Mogul to take a crap Aug 11 01:14:48 1Q11....can't wait Aug 11 01:15:09 Might have to give my pre to my wife and buy the new device :P!! Aug 11 01:16:01 http://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=com.palm.app.flashplayer Aug 11 01:16:04 oooh?! Aug 11 01:16:23 ... Aug 11 01:16:35 http://www.precentral.net/flash-webos-imminent-adobe-site-launches-app?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+Precentralnet+(PreCentral.net) Aug 11 01:16:49 http://developer.palm.com/appredirect/index.php?packageid=com.palm.app.flashplayer Aug 11 01:17:19 tib i beat you Aug 11 01:17:24 i just posted that Aug 11 01:17:25 heh. dang Aug 11 01:17:33 download fails here Aug 11 01:17:39 im a try Aug 11 01:17:44 has it worked for anyone? Aug 11 01:17:50 trying now Aug 11 01:17:59 I'm 90% sure it's legit Aug 11 01:18:01 it is fake Aug 11 01:18:06 Palm's scanners check for com.palm id. That means only palm could have submitted it...unless they got around it somehow Aug 11 01:18:14 1.4 is albacore Aug 11 01:18:24 What is everyone talking about? Aug 11 01:18:26 Dangit. I have 1.4.5 Aug 11 01:18:32 flash for webos Aug 11 01:18:37 What about it? Aug 11 01:18:39 someone install an old emulator Aug 11 01:18:41 see above Aug 11 01:18:44 So it got released... but it's not 1.4.0 ready... wonderful Aug 11 01:18:47 I have an old emulator Aug 11 01:18:48 what version? Aug 11 01:18:52 1.3.5 Aug 11 01:18:56 Okay Aug 11 01:18:56 erg Aug 11 01:19:02 you can't get it on an emu Aug 11 01:19:04 youll have to use preware (beta feed) Aug 11 01:19:10 tib, you can ^^ Aug 11 01:19:10 Ah, preware would do it Aug 11 01:19:13 it's in the beta feed? Aug 11 01:19:16 I know... >.< Aug 11 01:19:16 yes Aug 11 01:19:18 it's not in the XML feeds from Palm, so you won't see it. I just checked. Aug 11 01:19:26 weak! Aug 11 01:19:30 Where is it? Aug 11 01:19:33 rwhitby: I think it's legit. dont you? Aug 11 01:19:38 install appcatalog on emu? Aug 11 01:19:40 Link? Aug 11 01:19:45 http://developer.palm.com/appredirect/index.php?packageid=com.palm.app.flashplayer Aug 11 01:19:46 but you can load via direct in preware? Aug 11 01:20:07 Tibfib: I'm undecided. I'm leaning towards it being an ancient internal Palm test version which has not been published and someone just found the URL by trial and error. Aug 11 01:20:33 rwhitby: agreed Aug 11 01:20:35 that would be awesome Aug 11 01:20:47 dawm|laptop: it would not work Aug 11 01:21:21 wtf Aug 11 01:21:27 that precentral article Aug 11 01:21:39 that app it sends you to has a squater domain Aug 11 01:22:13 samprak.com Aug 11 01:22:19 rather a parked domain not squatter Aug 11 01:23:24 and the app looks like a HP internal app (for their contest) Aug 11 01:23:55 can you guys load this page? http://www.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/noted Aug 11 01:24:03 yes Aug 11 01:24:13 roger Aug 11 01:24:33 wild. Can you download the app? Aug 11 01:25:17 yes Aug 11 01:25:51 awesome Aug 11 01:25:52 awesome is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYws8biwOYc Aug 11 01:28:21 oil: http://webos101.com/File:Smallbutton.png Aug 11 01:28:23 wow i've been gone for a while :P Aug 11 01:28:39 last time I published a new app at Precentral it took like two days for moderator review. This time it happened instantly... Aug 11 01:28:49 haeffb_: nice Aug 11 01:32:18 yay, my pre has arrived :D Aug 11 01:33:16 madnificent! Aug 11 01:33:24 where does palm dump ipks downloaded from the app catalog before it installs them? Aug 11 01:33:40 hi, so what woul dbe the correct way to keep tray of all my patches and reinstall them after the update? Aug 11 01:33:41 now you only have to wait 12 hours while the battery charges.... :) Aug 11 01:33:41 haeffb_!? Aug 11 01:34:01 s/tray/track Aug 11 01:34:02 magnificient! ? Aug 11 01:34:06 no, I've had it a few hours now, I've used webos doctor to make it run :) Aug 11 01:34:14 MrLint: pen and paper? Aug 11 01:34:17 Oh. Aug 11 01:34:26 sugardave: wrong answer Aug 11 01:34:31 oh right Aug 11 01:34:33 Noted! Aug 11 01:34:35 Correct answer is either Noted! or Done! Aug 11 01:34:37 sugardavian answer Aug 11 01:34:50 did any of you catch the flash player potential ipk? Aug 11 01:34:57 yea Aug 11 01:35:00 its for 1.3.5 Aug 11 01:35:03 how'd they find it? Aug 11 01:35:08 and you can't download it Aug 11 01:35:20 Hmm Aug 11 01:35:27 We should find a way to download it Aug 11 01:35:29 at somne point i was led to believe that there was something to keep track of them, uninstall and then reisntall them as a bunch after an update Aug 11 01:35:31 And look inside Aug 11 01:35:38 I mean if it's not in the xmls how'd they find it? Aug 11 01:35:40 MrLint: its called save/restore Aug 11 01:35:41 in preware Aug 11 01:35:48 ok Aug 11 01:35:53 kesne: I'm trying to atm :P Aug 11 01:35:55 b3ll: trial and error? Aug 11 01:36:07 b3ll: you download it? Aug 11 01:36:11 I suppose, it's not that difficult of a url to guess Aug 11 01:36:12 I'm trying to Aug 11 01:36:23 any of ou guys get that problem where IMs come in multiple times Aug 11 01:36:27 I doubt this country code error is actualy as it says it is Aug 11 01:36:34 MrLint: network problem Aug 11 01:36:44 koodo is notorious for that Aug 11 01:36:56 and rogers is terrible with communicating with bell Aug 11 01:37:30 anivrom : how so? it seems to pop up randomly and only goes away if i reboot Aug 11 01:37:36 anyways, I love it! It ran out of memory pretty fast, but it's way nicer to work with than android on the htc hero Aug 11 01:38:08 madnificent : android is a poor excuse for a waste of time Aug 11 01:38:21 and it is a bazilion times prettier than I could possibly have imagined Aug 11 01:38:35 b3ll: I do mis _a lot_ of apps from my android device though Aug 11 01:38:46 oh IM's, was mixing it up with Texts Aug 11 01:38:47 b3ll why you say that Aug 11 01:38:56 because google was bored and decided to make android Aug 11 01:39:02 they don't really care about it Aug 11 01:39:05 at this point androis gas so much more Aug 11 01:39:20 windows phone 7 is something to take a look at Aug 11 01:39:36 ios and webos are the best os's on the market Aug 11 01:39:43 android has loads of devs, which is what made it big. Also: android rocks in comparison with WM6.5 and symbian imho Aug 11 01:39:53 symbian can go die Aug 11 01:39:56 so can android Aug 11 01:40:05 android only has devs because there's a billion phones Aug 11 01:40:06 android has the apps Aug 11 01:40:13 I have my doubts about windows phone 7 making it. Problems with devs Aug 11 01:40:15 i wish i could use rhapsody or even Mint Aug 11 01:40:26 b3ll: no, they just have google and universities behind it... Aug 11 01:40:31 more like shazaam Aug 11 01:40:36 or a video player than can play all formats Aug 11 01:40:36 I want that so bad on opre Aug 11 01:40:37 pre Aug 11 01:40:39 b3ll: there are _not_ many android devices... and most of them really suck balls Aug 11 01:40:39 and a decent Im app Aug 11 01:40:42 Anivrom : agreed Aug 11 01:40:57 madnificent : android is full of lies Aug 11 01:41:21 Anivrom: and shop savvy and openloopz and locale and ... Aug 11 01:41:26 is android filled with cake? Aug 11 01:41:38 yea. but its vanilla cake Aug 11 01:41:40 b3ll: not really, I think it is quite fair... you seem to hate it for some strange reason Aug 11 01:41:42 no one likes vanilla cake Aug 11 01:41:58 and some devices are filled with.... fruit cake Aug 11 01:42:14 madnificent : android is supposed to be FULLY open, the only real fully open os is WebOS Aug 11 01:42:19 I admit that webos is a lot prettier and feels a lot nicer, but I believe google has done a more-than-acceptable job with android. Aug 11 01:42:20 anyone here have openssh working on their pre? Aug 11 01:42:26 b3ll: no, it is explicitly not Aug 11 01:42:30 HattCzech does Aug 11 01:42:31 android is a replacement for crap phones (java based phones) Aug 11 01:42:59 b3ll: and it is not a replacement for crap phones. In fact, android mostly runs on high-end devices Aug 11 01:43:11 i had dropbear working :) not openssh, unfortunately Aug 11 01:43:12 no you don't understand what I mean Aug 11 01:43:12 and that will certainly not change with the 3.0 coming out next year Aug 11 01:43:34 android doesn't have any class, it runs on everything and people like htc and motoblur change it to look like fischer price Aug 11 01:43:43 so everyone thinks it's amazing Aug 11 01:43:49 b3ll: you're blabbering about nothing Aug 11 01:43:51 but at the core it's a poor implementation Aug 11 01:44:30 when the samsung epic hits sprint i am getting it Aug 11 01:44:31 openloopz looks cool. I might do that one Aug 11 01:44:35 it is a fairly decent implementation. You need to give it rights for everything and nothing. You _ Aug 11 01:44:42 had the pre for over a year now Aug 11 01:44:47 can replace the looks of it (which isn't bad) Aug 11 01:44:59 haeffb_: open source? Aug 11 01:45:17 no, but it should be hard to recreate Aug 11 01:45:18 madnificent : take the time to look into things, you'll see Aug 11 01:45:52 b3ll: I really mean it, they have made a more than acceptable implementation, given their time constraints Aug 11 01:46:07 time constraints? lol Aug 11 01:46:17 your rent only seems to touch on envy, not on anything but that Aug 11 01:46:19 google has all the time and money in the world, they just reallly don't care about android Aug 11 01:46:27 no they don't... no one has Aug 11 01:46:39 google is rich, but they aren't rich because they are laze bastards Aug 11 01:47:05 they are rich because they tackle problems within a specific time constraint (and because they are pure evil, maybe) Aug 11 01:47:19 lmaooo Aug 11 01:47:24 but any project needs to be economically viable, like in any other company Aug 11 01:47:32 * madnificent wonders if b3ll ever heard of economics Aug 11 01:47:49 can you please explain to me why their own device failed? Aug 11 01:47:53 google can dig deeper before it has to kill a project. That makes the lauching of products easier Aug 11 01:47:55 canadas economy is doing better than the states atm Aug 11 01:47:59 b3ll: how did it fail? Aug 11 01:48:02 Anivrom: true Aug 11 01:48:03 it worked out briliantly Aug 11 01:48:07 the nexus Aug 11 01:48:11 worked out brilliantly? Aug 11 01:48:15 their goal was not to become a phone manufacturer... Aug 11 01:48:29 their (explicitly stated) goal was to raise the bar for android phones Aug 11 01:48:48 in fact, their 3.0 milestone would have been useless without them releasing the nexus one first Aug 11 01:49:00 hay Aug 11 01:49:05 also take into account that there wouldn't have been an htc desire without the creation of the nexus one Aug 11 01:49:07 downloading 1.3.5 SDK :D Aug 11 01:49:14 from Palm :P Aug 11 01:49:27 dawm_: 1.4.5? Aug 11 01:49:29 dawm_ pourquoi? Aug 11 01:49:35 1.3.5 Aug 11 01:49:36 to run the flash app in the emu Aug 11 01:49:40 silly Aug 11 01:49:50 yea where'd he get the ipk from? Aug 11 01:49:54 ask him Aug 11 01:49:59 prolly doens't have it yet Aug 11 01:51:02 madnificent : all I'm saying is that google doesn't take the time to make something great, android is their excuse to make some more money that's all it is, and that's all it will ever be Aug 11 01:51:13 palm takes the time to revolutionize Aug 11 01:51:28 flash app? Aug 11 01:51:29 windows also did the same (Although their desktop os is crap) Aug 11 01:51:36 apple was the first Aug 11 01:51:51 google just wanted to hitch on the bandwagon and make a couple bucks in the process Aug 11 01:51:57 b3ll: which is the opposite of google has much money :P Aug 11 01:52:16 which is where the google monster comes in play Aug 11 01:52:32 they don't know what to do with their money than buy up other companies and grow larger Aug 11 01:52:39 thing is that android doesn't really suck, it succeeded in something that palm failed to do big time: The developer community Aug 11 01:52:52 palm didn't play their cards right Aug 11 01:53:15 if they did better advertising and didn't charge for every app published Aug 11 01:53:37 sure they'd probably get a lot more revenue Aug 11 01:53:39 b3ll: how? where could they have gotten that money? Aug 11 01:53:55 but you juts proved yourself, you bought a pre, because you didn't like your droid Aug 11 01:53:59 the only thing palm should've done from my pov, was release a webos phone worldwide Aug 11 01:54:07 b3ll: no, because I love android Aug 11 01:54:19 you loving android ≠ palm pre replacement Aug 11 01:54:22 lol Aug 11 01:54:31 b3ll: do you even know what I had to go through to get myself one? It's a friggin nightmare to buy one Aug 11 01:54:33 anderp Aug 11 01:54:41 I'm Awesome. Aug 11 01:54:45 as was it for me? Aug 11 01:54:46 kesne: yes you are Aug 11 01:54:50 kesne: why? Aug 11 01:54:58 im out Aug 11 01:55:00 lol Aug 11 01:55:05 madnificent: who are you? Aug 11 01:55:29 b3ll: buy me a timmies Aug 11 01:55:30 b3ll: and yes, I buy a webos device to buy a pre... because I believe that webos is the good choice on the long run. Because I am an idealist, that sort of thing... Aug 11 01:55:34 naooooooo Aug 11 01:55:48 kesne: in which context? Aug 11 01:55:51 I'm gettin the shakes, havent had one in 12 hours Aug 11 01:55:53 dekan: I'm awesome is No you're not dude, don't lie! Aug 11 01:55:53 Okay, kesne. Aug 11 01:55:58 I'm awesome Aug 11 01:55:59 No you're not dude, don't lie! Aug 11 01:56:03 LMFAO Aug 11 01:56:10 botsnack Aug 11 01:56:10 * dekan nom nom nom Aug 11 01:56:36 madnificent: Like, in the community Aug 11 01:56:49 I think he's new Aug 11 01:57:01 oh Aug 11 01:57:16 kesne: a dev that followed webos from the start but refused to dev on it before he could actually hold a pre at least once Aug 11 01:57:41 madnificent: Ah Aug 11 01:57:41 shame relaly Aug 11 01:57:47 I was actually tracking palm from their initial stories with the foleo :) Aug 11 01:57:50 madnificent: When did you start dev? Aug 11 01:58:37 kesne: I have my phone for 4 hours or so... I'm not devving on it yet :) My next step will be the running/creation of some lisp that makes me happy on it. Then I'll likely start devving Aug 11 01:58:59 madnificent: Ah Aug 11 01:59:04 madnificent: So you're new then Aug 11 01:59:20 Rule one of the community: Kesne is always right. Aug 11 01:59:23 I prefer to write frameworks that make devving easier, so I'm probably going to do that sort of thing first Aug 11 01:59:32 nice Aug 11 01:59:35 kesne: but you're kesne, not Kesne Aug 11 01:59:45 rule #2, rule number one is false Aug 11 02:00:00 which means you might be wrong, which means Anivrom might be right Aug 11 02:00:09 rule #3, whatever kesne says after this point is also wrong Aug 11 02:00:28 Whatever you say +1 Aug 11 02:00:29 owned Aug 11 02:00:41 :P Aug 11 02:00:46 * Anivrom puts up his force field Aug 11 02:01:07 kesne: I'm new to the devving community here for sure. And I have no practical knowledge of writing webos apps Aug 11 02:01:18 You know js? Aug 11 02:01:25 kesne: however, I bought the phone in full knowledge of it not having all the apps I want Aug 11 02:01:45 Anivrom: my thesis runs around typechecking prototype based object systems, I'd better know some JS :P Aug 11 02:01:53 You're going to be unpleasantly surprised at how you wont have access to the api's required to make the apps that are missing Aug 11 02:01:56 That's why they are missing Aug 11 02:02:05 hmm Aug 11 02:02:13 Anivrom: but in all fairness, it's not the language I'd prefer to dev in (though there are many over which I'd choose javascript) Aug 11 02:02:33 well it's one of the slowest languages in mainstream programming Aug 11 02:02:37 so I dont blame you Aug 11 02:02:39 Anivrom: a decent GTD app, an app that shows buienradar over google maps Aug 11 02:02:43 Anivrom: that sort of thing Aug 11 02:03:09 Anivrom: no, javascript is fairly fast (though the recent common lisp backend is faster than most other engines, which makes me sad), accessing the dom is particularly slow Aug 11 02:03:52 its one of the slower languages. still fast though Aug 11 02:04:02 yeah, something like that Aug 11 02:04:22 only because processors are fast Aug 11 02:04:33 but they really are Aug 11 02:04:45 * madnificent can't stop touching his pre Aug 11 02:04:53 it does wiggle a whole lot Aug 11 02:04:57 much more than I was hoping for Aug 11 02:05:01 there's an app that touches you back madnificent Aug 11 02:05:08 * Anivrom points to pocket party Aug 11 02:05:14 Haha Aug 11 02:05:18 Gotta love that app Aug 11 02:05:24 the chatroom is jokes Aug 11 02:05:29 ASL ASL SEX PL0X? Aug 11 02:05:35 Chatroom? Aug 11 02:05:41 yea its gota global chatroom Aug 11 02:05:46 oh Aug 11 02:05:49 sounds like checkers Aug 11 02:05:55 only better ;) Aug 11 02:05:57 I mean Aug 11 02:05:59 haha Aug 11 02:06:22 I should just download the bloody app Aug 11 02:06:32 Checker chat room = a bunch of 10-13 year olds asking eachother out and talking about sex Aug 11 02:06:46 good times Aug 11 02:06:58 if there's grass on the field play ball right? Aug 11 02:07:11 haha Aug 11 02:08:28 rahulsood: "Creating a tablet and calling it an 'iPad killer' because it's half the price is a pretty lame attempt at innovation." Aug 11 02:08:49 yeah, I saw that earlier...what is he talking about? Aug 11 02:08:49 well said Aug 11 02:08:59 blackpad? Aug 11 02:09:10 company politics? Aug 11 02:10:51 zeen? Aug 11 02:11:05 forgiy? Aug 11 02:13:48 Anivrom: is it in the app catalog? Aug 11 02:13:53 which? Aug 11 02:13:58 pocket party? Aug 11 02:14:10 Hmm might be a preware thing I can't remember Aug 11 02:15:58 Anivrom: can I quickly install preware without usb? it's 4:15am here :( Aug 11 02:16:05 um no Aug 11 02:16:09 You need webos Quick install Aug 11 02:16:20 ok, no problem :) Aug 11 02:16:29 madnificent: if you have a terminal window on the device you can Aug 11 02:16:31 its a homebrew app therefore not in the catalog Aug 11 02:16:38 the man himself Aug 11 02:16:40 (e.g. Terminal, Terminus, or OpenSSH) Aug 11 02:16:44 madnificent: he wrote preware Aug 11 02:16:51 thank you rwhitby Aug 11 02:17:00 (both for the hint and for writing it) Aug 11 02:17:15 If you don't already have cmdline access, then you can just install the Palm SDK and use palm-install to install the Preware ipkg file. Aug 11 02:18:19 rwhitby: that'll probably be the faster route. I've ran the emulator here for ages, hoping to ever get my hands on a pre :) Aug 11 02:18:45 the evil side of palm made me yawn for two years before I could get it :( Aug 11 02:22:51 madnificent: Contrary to popular belief, you don't need WebOS Quick Install (a third-party tool not supported by Palm) to install Preware. You can install Preware by using official Palm-supported tools and documentation only. Aug 11 02:23:09 * Anivrom hides face in shame Aug 11 02:24:48 Anivrom: hah! Aug 11 02:25:14 heh Aug 11 02:25:21 rwhitby: there is no reason for it to be different... at least, I don't see any from my current knowledge of webos Aug 11 02:25:31 so far 1.3.5 emu appears to be running, altho its 640x480 Aug 11 02:25:45 dawm_: XD Aug 11 02:25:45 Anivrom: it wasn't the case prior to Preware 1.0.0 Aug 11 02:25:49 yeah.. thats not compatible :P Aug 11 02:25:51 lol you can edit that dawm Aug 11 02:26:00 apps look nice Aug 11 02:26:03 I have my emu in portrait mode Aug 11 02:26:03 home screen doesnt Aug 11 02:26:16 I mean landscape Aug 11 02:26:21 madnificent: it was only in webOS 1.4 that palm-install could be used to install homebrew that needed post-install scripts to be executed as root. Aug 11 02:27:16 doh.. no inet Aug 11 02:27:25 rwhitby: I'll need webos quickinstall for hacks anyways, right? Aug 11 02:27:38 rwhitby: I didn't know Aug 11 02:27:46 preware handles the hacks after you've installed it Aug 11 02:27:48 via patches Aug 11 02:27:53 madnificent: there are a few "tweaks" that are only in WOSQI, but most patches are in Preware. Aug 11 02:28:14 * madnificent hunts for the ipk :) thanks Aug 11 02:28:26 madnificent: get.preware.org Aug 11 02:28:43 then use preware to update itself to the latest version Aug 11 02:29:21 should I use the from the language where my pre originates from, or doesn't that matter? Aug 11 02:29:34 * madnificent doesn't really like german, but it was the only option Aug 11 02:30:34 german is a very romantic language Aug 11 02:30:49 bpadalino: don't mock that! Aug 11 02:30:56 * Anivrom prefers cliche french for romance Aug 11 02:31:02 russian Aug 11 02:31:08 russian is awesome for picking up chicks Aug 11 02:31:22 polish, maybe? xP Aug 11 02:31:37 swahilli Aug 11 02:31:38 :P Aug 11 02:31:49 or cave man Aug 11 02:31:51 Anivrom: how does that even sound? Aug 11 02:32:03 walk up, point to her crotch, grunt, point to your crotch, grunt Aug 11 02:32:11 oh oh, that language where they just use *ticks* and *tocks* and *tongue slapping* Aug 11 02:32:14 very simple language Aug 11 02:32:25 Wolvenhaven: worth a try, much easier than learning polish Aug 11 02:32:29 lol Aug 11 02:32:33 Anivrom: LMAO that! Aug 11 02:32:35 does'nt work on my wife Aug 11 02:32:42 must be doing something wrong Aug 11 02:32:43 get a new one Anivrom Aug 11 02:32:48 tisk tisk Aug 11 02:32:58 I just ask in english and it works out pretty good :P Aug 11 02:32:59 women are like cars and phones, you upgrade to the new model when the old one stops working Aug 11 02:33:05 swahilli allows you to have more than one :) Aug 11 02:33:28 My dishwasher broke the other day, so I slapped the woman and told her to get back to work Aug 11 02:34:07 billy the kid Aug 11 02:34:09 did what he did and he died Aug 11 02:34:16 how do you turn a dishwasher into a snowblower? give her a shovel Aug 11 02:34:16 this might explain why i'm single :P Aug 11 02:34:20 at these times, I miss network bandwith Aug 11 02:34:21 hah Aug 11 02:34:27 is that really flash for webos Aug 11 02:34:28 http://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=com.palm.app.flashplayer Aug 11 02:34:31 no Aug 11 02:34:37 what is that Aug 11 02:34:40 its a internal palm version Aug 11 02:34:42 some fake crap Aug 11 02:34:46 so yea its flash Aug 11 02:34:53 just not publicly available flash Aug 11 02:34:59 gnash? Aug 11 02:35:07 i see Aug 11 02:35:18 renegaid: you should follow @webosinternals on Twitter for the real story about that Aug 11 02:35:25 either way, I'd prefer html5 standards over flash, even though the speed is still an issue Aug 11 02:35:26 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpI6gA9cuME renegaid, they've had flash working for months and months Aug 11 02:35:28 * kesne ate some cake Aug 11 02:35:36 and what is that link that opens up when you visit get flash Aug 11 02:35:38 flash sucks Aug 11 02:35:57 webugh i cant get 1.3.5 emu working, without totally nuking all sdks Aug 11 02:36:14 flash was shown on the pre almost a year ago that i know Aug 11 02:36:37 the beta was suppose to be out a year ago also Aug 11 02:36:55 dawm_: doctor! Aug 11 02:37:01 off to boot an old pc Aug 11 02:37:02 I would, I have a dev device laying around Aug 11 02:37:05 but I need a metadoctor Aug 11 02:37:07 adobe must've gotten money from someone somewhere Aug 11 02:37:07 howdy Aug 11 02:37:12 and it definately hasn't been palm :P Aug 11 02:37:13 LoneStar99! Aug 11 02:38:21 if Packages.gz is only 100k, why does it take ages to download it on the pre? Aug 11 02:39:19 because it hates you? Aug 11 02:39:26 wasnt there suppose to be a webos update today on sprint Aug 11 02:39:33 lies Aug 11 02:39:35 all lies Aug 11 02:39:37 rebooting it Aug 11 02:39:48 Hah Aug 11 02:39:50 Suckers Aug 11 02:39:58 oh right, how will I get my updates on a non-supported provider? Aug 11 02:40:05 I already have webOS 2.4.5 Aug 11 02:40:24 it is 1.4.5.1 Aug 11 02:40:43 1.4.5.1 is for losers Aug 11 02:40:52 Cool people have 2.4.5 or above Aug 11 02:40:55 Anivrom: What are you rocking? Aug 11 02:41:03 2.4.5.1 Aug 11 02:41:15 custom stuff in the .1 Aug 11 02:41:17 I didn't know you were on sprint? Aug 11 02:41:26 Sprint builds = .1 Aug 11 02:41:26 waiting for dropbox to lan sync Aug 11 02:41:30 Anivrom: the upgrade to 2.4.5.2 is well worth the time Aug 11 02:41:32 webos 3.0 is pretty pimp - a simple wink launches my favorite app Aug 11 02:41:35 my stuff = .1 Aug 11 02:41:53 winking opens pocket party on mine Aug 11 02:41:55 LoneStar99: have you seen the skynet interface? it syncs right with the google serevers Aug 11 02:41:58 ;) Aug 11 02:42:00 I tried webOS 3.0, but it didn't work as well as I thought it would Aug 11 02:42:29 madnificent: nope, need to check it out Aug 11 02:42:34 I prefer 3.1, with the 3D HDMI-out support Aug 11 02:42:53 LoneStar99: don't try that, it'll make skynet think it can own you Aug 11 02:43:09 i love the gradients they use in 3.0 Aug 11 02:43:12 lol Aug 11 02:43:41 I don't Aug 11 02:43:42 Anivrom: any ideas on icon yet? Aug 11 02:43:44 LoneStar99: use the brain interface and think "I want two skynets", skynet will come searching and build you the second skynet which you wanted. Aug 11 02:43:46 I turn that off Aug 11 02:44:05 what virtual box did we use with 1.3.5? anyone remmeber Aug 11 02:44:13 haeffb_: yea Aug 11 02:44:21 dawmtop: one sec Aug 11 02:44:38 Needs to stay "Simple" since we're syncing with simplenote Aug 11 02:45:07 dawmtop: 3.0.8 will work Aug 11 02:45:12 I'm actually fine with the one I have, but it's 48x48 and I need 64x64 Aug 11 02:45:28 where did you get it? Aug 11 02:45:30 madnificent: lol Aug 11 02:46:10 dawmtop: was using VB 3.0 something Aug 11 02:46:14 my code makes me want to throw up, can't wait to start a new app with modulated streamlined smart code Aug 11 02:46:23 dawmtop: I use 3.0.8 on my 1.2 emu Aug 11 02:46:26 free icons place Aug 11 02:46:49 http://www.iconpot.com/ Aug 11 02:46:59 dawmtop: i think i was using 3.0.10 Aug 11 02:47:00 love that place Aug 11 02:47:33 it will tell me what it needs, but i figured id get a headstart Aug 11 02:47:43 man.. this laptop is ancient... intel centrino :P Aug 11 02:47:50 no multi touch trackpad :( Aug 11 02:47:53 * Anivrom spits out drink Aug 11 02:47:54 the OneBit or OneBit#2 icons Aug 11 02:47:55 WHAT? Aug 11 02:47:57 hahahahahahahaha Aug 11 02:48:07 * Anivrom continues laughing ad infinitum Aug 11 02:48:36 hell Aug 11 02:48:36 yes? Aug 11 02:48:42 its an IBM thinkpad.. Aug 11 02:48:48 ancient ;p Aug 11 02:49:49 <3 edge, at least it keeps the connection running Aug 11 02:52:04 argh, a certain combination of debug breakpoint actions crashes the phone. Aug 11 02:52:06 in ares Aug 11 02:52:19 and I forget, and do it alot Aug 11 02:52:24 cause im that smart Aug 11 02:52:32 so eat it Aug 11 02:52:34 for breakfast Aug 11 02:52:36 with pancakes Aug 11 02:52:36 Hah Aug 11 02:52:42 Anivrom: Use try/catch Aug 11 02:52:44 they == god Aug 11 02:52:51 its not about errors Aug 11 02:52:57 its the debugger itself Aug 11 02:53:06 I know Aug 11 02:53:08 But still Aug 11 02:55:14 I'm off to bed, night all Aug 11 02:55:25 Oh, guys? Aug 11 02:55:33 no Aug 11 02:55:45 halfhalo: I like you Aug 11 02:55:54 working redmine repo (except grack with is coming soon) http://redmine.silentbluesystems.com/projects/test/repository Aug 11 02:56:03 WOW Aug 11 02:56:57 I just got a text from palm giving me the link to the flash app in the catalog, guess what, not available in my country. Anyone else sign up for the text? Aug 11 02:57:35 wow.. this tool really messed up the proposal.. Aug 11 02:57:39 idiot Aug 11 02:57:52 i hate MTV.. wish i could find the remote Aug 11 02:58:31 i cant fin dmy phone : Aug 11 02:58:34 link to flash! Aug 11 02:58:43 did you get one? Aug 11 02:59:04 Anivrom, post the url in the txt Aug 11 02:59:04 no, but i want ze link to see if it works on mah phone Aug 11 02:59:19 can you manually put it into the catalog? Aug 11 02:59:28 yes Aug 11 02:59:52 http://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=com.palm.app.flashplayer **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Aug 11 02:59:57 2010