**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Aug 12 02:59:57 2010 Aug 12 03:02:27 I guess I could move the list processing to occur immediately after the file is read, users will be sitting in main scene...I wonder if that will help or if I'm right and it's a problem with rendering Aug 12 03:02:40 nah Aug 12 03:02:44 leave it in the prefs Aug 12 03:02:56 if they only use the app for one team they will only visit prefs once Aug 12 03:03:00 right Aug 12 03:03:05 why make them wait every launch Aug 12 03:03:19 maybe have the json get parsed in prefs too? Aug 12 03:03:21 not before loading the main scene Aug 12 03:04:41 dawm|laptop: hmmm...maybe that will let the spinner spin for a couple of cycles before freezing Aug 12 03:04:48 yah Aug 12 03:04:51 more processing Aug 12 03:06:37 of course, when there are more preferences the chances they will go to that scene increase Aug 12 03:07:13 still better than forcing it every launch Aug 12 03:07:21 load data as needed Aug 12 03:07:27 okay, going to send thuis client his deliverable and then I'll tackle this Aug 12 03:07:46 im peaking at ur code u sent Aug 12 03:07:47 thanks for the feedback guys Aug 12 03:07:52 k Aug 12 03:08:13 that's the aboutToActivate one I think with no class defined for the spinner in the html Aug 12 03:08:38 yah Aug 12 03:09:26 Anivrom: you didn't notice the border around the scrollers and the off-set look, plus my slicker slider labels? for shame Aug 12 03:10:07 and school/team names are smaller so they don't clobber each other Aug 12 03:11:30 and fullscreen Aug 12 03:11:39 oh yeah, that Aug 12 03:11:52 and the flasher supports landscape mode Aug 12 03:12:28 your scrim doesnt work Aug 12 03:12:32 i gotta find out why Aug 12 03:12:43 i completely commmented out the whole list creation Aug 12 03:12:47 the scrim works...the spinner doesn't Aug 12 03:12:49 oh really Aug 12 03:12:53 interesting Aug 12 03:13:02 lemme poke Aug 12 03:15:56 sugardave: holy shiite. it works. (debounce) Aug 12 03:16:11 right on Aug 12 03:16:59 stop typing....5 seconds later....db save Aug 12 03:17:17 is that short enough? Aug 12 03:17:24 they might flick fast Aug 12 03:18:34 using that for testing Aug 12 03:18:43 probably 1 sec? Aug 12 03:19:14 1.5-2 might be good Aug 12 03:19:22 I'm just making up0 numbers Aug 12 03:19:46 need a balance between how fast can type vs. how fast can stop & flick-close Aug 12 03:21:25 * Tibfib is a fast flicker Aug 12 03:22:02 it takes like half a second to close a card... if even Aug 12 03:22:05 Tibfib: that's what I saw on the bathroom stall door Aug 12 03:22:23 after you stop typing a note? Aug 12 03:22:47 yeah. your hands are already there Aug 12 03:22:54 hmmm... Aug 12 03:23:04 maybe the debounce isn't worth the effort Aug 12 03:23:30 I haven't been paying attention, but would it take too long for a deactivate call? Aug 12 03:23:32 I think there is already some debounce() in the textfield code Aug 12 03:23:47 scene deactivate is called when you flick the app Aug 12 03:23:55 I'm saving to a DB Aug 12 03:23:59 his stuff takes too long Aug 12 03:24:13 you can't do async DB calls in deactivate() Aug 12 03:25:30 haeffb: just warn the user not to close the card Aug 12 03:25:44 in BIG RED LETTERS ? Aug 12 03:26:00 yeah, users are nothing if not awesome direction followers Aug 12 03:26:12 haeffb: have a banner notification, SAVING. do not close app Aug 12 03:26:46 I don't think there's a lot of overhead with my DB calls anyhow. Aug 12 03:26:54 maybe debounce 0.5 sec Aug 12 03:26:57 you should save when a user deactivates the scene, or closes the app. If they close, launch a dashboard and save Aug 12 03:27:21 Tibfib: I save on EVERY KEYPRESS Aug 12 03:27:33 heh Aug 12 03:27:48 haeffb: I think 1 second is good Aug 12 03:28:12 why do you need to save intermediate data? Aug 12 03:28:30 3-5 seconds is my bet... if even Aug 12 03:28:42 not bet... but what I think Aug 12 03:28:50 so they don't lose it when they flick-close the app from the edit scene Aug 12 03:29:15 scene deactivate should take care of it Aug 12 03:29:37 I'm not going to launch a dashboard stage Aug 12 03:29:38 have a .js file with the saving functions, and have the deactivate call it... I think that'd work Aug 12 03:29:54 not if you're doing async DB calls it wont Aug 12 03:30:37 DB transactions are rolled back if the successHandler doesn't finish Aug 12 03:30:47 and the app will be closed before the successHandler fires Aug 12 03:31:13 dawm|laptop: the scrim div gets hidden in .decorate()...that may be why you don't see it Aug 12 03:31:23 you suck Aug 12 03:31:24 below....me. Aug 12 03:31:27 haha Aug 12 03:31:33 ive been tinkering and i didnt even look there Aug 12 03:31:35 haeffb: rolled back, what does that mean? They'll get called again? Aug 12 03:31:41 scoobysnack Aug 12 03:31:42 Scoobydoobeedoo! Aug 12 03:31:55 no, it means it's as though the transaction never happened Aug 12 03:32:17 the data is not saved Aug 12 03:32:20 OH, I see now Aug 12 03:32:22 there it is.. Aug 12 03:32:23 FINALY Aug 12 03:32:26 thanks alot fave Aug 12 03:32:27 dave Aug 12 03:32:32 no, thank YOU Aug 12 03:32:34 :D Aug 12 03:32:50 haeffb: shooot. you're screwed. :) Aug 12 03:33:05 You could save the data quickly in a cookie, and then call a db query? Aug 12 03:33:19 althought it might not be big enough... sigh Aug 12 03:33:21 I tried this reasoning with him already Aug 12 03:34:17 what I COULD do is save to a buffer, then when the buffer gets full, save to DB. Aug 12 03:34:30 haeffb: don't you get 60 seconds for functions to finish? Aug 12 03:34:50 then save whatever's left in the buffer to a cookie in deactivate() Aug 12 03:35:03 then load the cookie on launch and save the rest of the data Aug 12 03:35:12 (like for the db query) Aug 12 03:35:13 yes Aug 12 03:35:17 but that's a huge PITA Aug 12 03:35:20 no Aug 12 03:35:28 not when the app closes Aug 12 03:35:40 I thought that's exactly when you had 60 seconds...lol Aug 12 03:35:50 background processes will run for 60 sec before they're terminated Aug 12 03:36:06 oh, but closing an appp doesn't. Aug 12 03:36:07 got it Aug 12 03:36:18 * haeffb is pretty sure. not positive Aug 12 03:36:56 you should test Aug 12 03:37:17 have a function output something every second and see how far you go Aug 12 03:39:54 hey all Aug 12 03:39:59 Anivrom: How's the app coming? Aug 12 03:40:06 best app ever Aug 12 03:40:17 Tibfib: what is? Aug 12 03:40:20 anivrom's Aug 12 03:40:28 oh Aug 12 03:40:29 I bet Aug 12 03:41:28 Maybe this is just me, but Teckiegirl really pisses me off sometimes. Aug 12 03:41:54 Tibfib: functions will run in deactivate...maybe for up to 60 sec...not sure Aug 12 03:42:10 haeffb: did you test it? Aug 12 03:42:15 or just guessing? Aug 12 03:42:18 but async functions .... not guaranteed to get the callback Aug 12 03:42:20 just guessing Aug 12 03:43:20 haha Aug 12 03:43:23 dave i got it working Aug 12 03:43:32 but i had to make an infinite loop :P Aug 12 03:43:36 hehe Aug 12 03:43:51 that seems like overkill :P Aug 12 03:44:06 wasnt intentional Aug 12 03:44:30 haeffb: did you already test saving on deactivate? Aug 12 03:44:42 I have in the past Aug 12 03:44:47 ah, didn't work Aug 12 03:44:48 ? Aug 12 03:45:01 not on a flick-close Aug 12 03:45:21 this edit scene is 2nd on the stack Aug 12 03:45:39 if I save to db in deactivate() it works fine if the user backgestures to close the scene Aug 12 03:45:52 but if they close the app from that scene...bye bye data Aug 12 03:45:55 How much data can cookies store? Aug 12 03:46:01 4k Aug 12 03:46:14 haeffb: on stage deactivate, start saving via dashboard? Aug 12 03:46:42 might make the deactivate itself a little choppy Aug 12 03:47:10 https://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1740&Itemid=45#BestPractices-SavingData Aug 12 03:47:17 doesn't help much Aug 12 03:47:30 so far this is a single-stage app. Aug 12 03:47:34 since when have the docs helped ;) Aug 12 03:48:27 Hmm Aug 12 03:48:30 haeffb: I think you can still listen to stage deactivate in single stage Aug 12 03:48:42 maybe Aug 12 03:48:53 Anybody have an idea as to why pushing something into a json thingy would fail? Aug 12 03:49:05 It works 50% of the time Aug 12 03:49:10 the other times it just doesn't work Aug 12 03:49:27 check your data? Aug 12 03:49:29 yes, you can, but to create a dashboard stage....is multistage Aug 12 03:49:35 haeffb: oh I see Aug 12 03:49:42 Tibfib: Data is fine Aug 12 03:49:58 dawm|lais "pushing something into a JSON thingy" the technical term for what you're doing? Aug 12 03:50:03 erg Aug 12 03:50:10 must backspace more Aug 12 03:50:21 heh Aug 12 03:54:12 lolol: http://webos101.com/wiki/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&search=kesne&go=Go Aug 12 03:54:49 you would put a link to get checkers Aug 12 03:54:53 :P Aug 12 03:55:06 this appears to be the definitive thread to date: https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=6750&hilit=saving+data Aug 12 03:56:01 but I think for now, I'm going to stick with saving early and saving often. The db calls really don't have much overhead as far as I can tell. Aug 12 03:57:04 hmm...preloading the list contents before pushing the scene also causes no spinner in the scrim Aug 12 03:57:23 this furthers my suspicion against Mojo.View.render Aug 12 03:57:25 gotta do the spinner in setup and load your list in activate Aug 12 03:57:33 oil: I did that, too Aug 12 03:57:44 it's the damn formatters and dividers, I think Aug 12 03:57:51 http://webos101.com/Kesne Aug 12 03:58:40 nice a tag Aug 12 03:59:03 wait wait wait Aug 12 03:59:16 are you saying to not do setupWidget with my full list in setup? Aug 12 03:59:37 oil: ^^^ Aug 12 03:59:56 do setupwidget with an empty model Aug 12 04:00:08 okay, that's what I was doing before Aug 12 04:00:09 then add your model and do modelchanged or whatever in activate Aug 12 04:00:46 well, actually I was doing it all in setup, but have since changed to doing it in a function called from activate Aug 12 04:01:00 it still fails to show my spinner Aug 12 04:01:37 hm Aug 12 04:02:15 kesne: thanks for contributing to webos101.com Aug 12 04:02:25 haeffb: No problem :) Aug 12 04:02:42 BAH Aug 12 04:02:45 You know what I hate? Aug 12 04:02:52 How I can't IP ban people on Checkers Aug 12 04:03:14 My ban list just passed 30 users Aug 12 04:03:21 my mute list is about 15 Aug 12 04:03:22 oil: any thoughts on the optimum method of insuring against data loss when user flick-closes an app? Aug 12 04:03:25 dave ive tweaked it Aug 12 04:03:36 hm? Aug 12 04:03:38 And I go on for about 15 mins a day. Aug 12 04:03:39 but now it apparently doesnt get to the end of the list builder function ;p no errors Aug 12 04:03:51 And those bans are from the past 5 days Aug 12 04:04:14 dawm|laptop: that's....better, maybe Aug 12 04:04:30 this particular case is a two-scene app: list scene and edit scene Aug 12 04:04:50 if the user enters data in the edit scene, I can't save to DB in deactivate() Aug 12 04:04:59 i think its loading too fast and since there are checks against null data its just zipping thru Aug 12 04:05:04 so I've chosen to save to DB on every keypress Aug 12 04:05:19 the edit scene is essentially just one textfield Aug 12 04:05:37 i moved the json loading to the prefs, but i think its calling the callback way too soon and its not processing the loaded json Aug 12 04:10:40 dawm|laptop: I think it's something else...I see what you're saying about the rest of the UI Aug 12 04:10:51 BINGO Aug 12 04:10:56 it works ;) Aug 12 04:11:04 well kinda Aug 12 04:11:09 hah Aug 12 04:11:12 the lists arent collapsed Aug 12 04:11:19 but it scrimmed while loading Aug 12 04:11:27 and scrim cleared when it was done Aug 12 04:11:36 did it spin? Aug 12 04:11:44 oh course Aug 12 04:12:15 okay...I'm still unlcear as to why it would make a damn difference to read the JSON in the prefs scene Aug 12 04:12:29 because, if I already have it before, I'm one step closer Aug 12 04:12:30 haeffb: idk, ive never been in that situation :) Aug 12 04:17:37 dawm|laptop: so...are you going to send me that back? :D Aug 12 04:17:43 yeh Aug 12 04:17:47 yay! Aug 12 04:17:49 as soon as i verify something Aug 12 04:18:02 how do i simulate clicking the jewel on mac? Aug 12 04:18:10 this macbook has no Home button Aug 12 04:18:11 num-pad 1 Aug 12 04:18:15 or numberpad Aug 12 04:18:19 ? Aug 12 04:18:39 end Aug 12 04:18:49 dude i do not have those buttons Aug 12 04:18:56 otherwise i would obviously have used them by now ;p Aug 12 04:18:57 virtual kb? Aug 12 04:19:06 no embedded numpad things? Aug 12 04:19:14 wth is wrong with Steve"? Aug 12 04:20:16 visualboyadvance Aug 12 04:20:18 ...doesn't Aug 12 04:20:19 work Aug 12 04:20:22 on 1.4.5? Aug 12 04:20:46 torchie: ask dtzWill in -internals for the 1.4.5 beta version Aug 12 04:21:46 got it from him a couple weeks ago, works like a charm. I'd give it to you if I knew he was fine with it... I'm betting he is Aug 12 04:21:53 wtf Aug 12 04:22:13 how can i minimize in the emulator on a macbook air? Aug 12 04:22:22 this is totally stupid.. i hate macs Aug 12 04:22:25 haha Aug 12 04:23:20 seriously? there's no fn+numlock to turn on some keys as numberpad keys? Aug 12 04:23:22 grr how dare they make the control button the apple button Aug 12 04:23:34 stupid macs doing things different Aug 12 04:23:51 torchie: no end, no home, no numpad...that's kind of weak Aug 12 04:24:18 dawm|laptop: is there an escape key? Aug 12 04:24:25 end and home are where the arrow keys are though Aug 12 04:24:28 that takes me back a scene Aug 12 04:24:30 numpad -- eh well I always hated that thing Aug 12 04:24:31 which i dont want Aug 12 04:24:41 maybe they didn't put it on for a reason Aug 12 04:24:43 oh, you need it on a specific scene? Aug 12 04:24:59 i need to see what activate does Aug 12 04:25:04 after the scenes been loaded Aug 12 04:25:10 esc = backswipe, numpad keys = pearl tap Aug 12 04:25:20 no numpad Aug 12 04:25:30 right, that was for Tibfib Aug 12 04:25:38 im just gonna hit every key combo.. brb Aug 12 04:25:41 haha Aug 12 04:26:17 I know what the keys do... I just thought he needed to minimize it eventually... so pressing esc a few times would work Aug 12 04:26:51 dawm|laptop: command + > or command + < (end and home?) Aug 12 04:27:13 Internally, my devs call KSO Sync "KSOSinch" Aug 12 04:27:20 not > < but the arrows Aug 12 04:27:23 well, technically KSO Sinc(h) Aug 12 04:27:25 odd Aug 12 04:27:35 option < or > moves the card side to side heh Aug 12 04:27:38 but not up Aug 12 04:28:27 finally got it Aug 12 04:28:39 *applause* Aug 12 04:28:40 its fn < Aug 12 04:28:47 that bitch Aug 12 04:28:54 but i have to hit the apple button Aug 12 04:28:55 Oh snap Aug 12 04:28:56 then fn < Aug 12 04:28:58 Where is that kid Aug 12 04:29:07 its like a 2 part combo Aug 12 04:29:12 CTLAdvance! Aug 12 04:29:13 CTLAdvance eats to escape his problems as \I always do Aug 12 04:29:15 an Apple bonus Aug 12 04:29:25 ok so Aug 12 04:29:35 your collapsables dont collapse now ;p Aug 12 04:29:54 that's okay....I can probably fix that unless it's what is causing the whole problem Aug 12 04:30:03 ok i know why Aug 12 04:30:12 its cause the list was empty when it did Aug 12 04:30:39 when it did what? Aug 12 04:31:10 stuff got all moved around in the execution Aug 12 04:31:24 all cause i moved that json loading into prefs Aug 12 04:31:51 oh sure, got to wait until IHS.allFileData is full Aug 12 04:32:03 heh now they are collapsed but dont open Aug 12 04:32:12 progress! Aug 12 04:32:18 er...wait. Aug 12 04:32:47 Why can't search() find multiple matches? Aug 12 04:33:03 * sugardave will be impressed if the spinner shows on his phone after getting this code back. Aug 12 04:33:14 lol Aug 12 04:33:28 kesne: are you using a regexp? Aug 12 04:33:36 /regexp/g Aug 12 04:33:37 sugardave: Yessir Aug 12 04:33:54 sugardave: I lied Aug 12 04:34:09 oh, well then my answer won't work Aug 12 04:34:21 sugardave: That's true Aug 12 04:34:27 Any idea how? Aug 12 04:34:39 dave im gonna send you this now Aug 12 04:34:40 use a regexp and put g at the end Aug 12 04:34:45 its broke, but scrim works :) Aug 12 04:34:57 dawm|laptop: cool, thanks! I can probably fix the collapsibles Aug 12 04:35:00 heh Aug 12 04:35:12 sugardave: I tried, still only get one Aug 12 04:35:15 ive you move collapseAll into the listLoader it collapses them, but its not giving a tap event on the list taps Aug 12 04:35:18 no tappy tappy Aug 12 04:35:24 ive = if Aug 12 04:36:01 i had to use ready() cause aboutToActivate did things out of order so data wasnt there to be processed for the list Aug 12 04:36:34 okay Aug 12 04:36:35 it reads the json in ready() then thru the callback calls buildSchoolList Aug 12 04:36:47 thats about it Aug 12 04:37:00 awesome Aug 12 04:37:01 awesome is codeslaw Aug 12 04:37:07 botsmack Aug 12 04:37:08 * dekan dodges your attack and parries with a bigger knife. Aug 12 04:37:13 dekan: shut up Aug 12 04:37:14 Okay, kesne - be back in a bit! Aug 12 04:37:38 sugardave: So, how do I make it work? Aug 12 04:37:40 kesne: never used search, let me check it Aug 12 04:38:16 and i changed the last line in stage-assistant (removed the json load, and just pushes the scene) Aug 12 04:39:16 good idea Aug 12 04:39:21 kesne: so what is the goal Aug 12 04:40:11 oh and if you cant get the scrim to move, theres a line in IHS ( callback.delay(1); ) Aug 12 04:40:22 which is commented out, but i just realized i was using it Aug 12 04:40:33 with no delay it pops up and goes away on the emulator Aug 12 04:40:33 kesne: oh, search doesn't accept global directive Aug 12 04:40:58 sugardave: any idea on how I can do a global search? Aug 12 04:41:49 you can do regexp.exec(string) and if you use ()s around the thing you want, you get an array back of matches Aug 12 04:43:49 dawm|laptop: cool, I'm excited Aug 12 04:43:54 the anticipation is killing me Aug 12 04:44:01 i added to the TODO as well, emailing now Aug 12 04:45:20 thanks! Aug 12 04:48:02 google says it was sent :P Aug 12 04:48:08 there it is Aug 12 04:48:11 im off to bed Aug 12 04:48:19 cool, thanks again Aug 12 04:48:21 i think the listener got broke for the list Aug 12 04:48:30 I can fix that Aug 12 04:48:33 cause its possibly called during the whole loading of the data Aug 12 04:48:37 * sugardave gets the blowtorch. Aug 12 04:48:46 there was no tappy tappy log output ;p Aug 12 04:48:50 heh Aug 12 04:49:08 oh and the view was changed Aug 12 04:49:26 i moved the scrim to the top of the file, just before you told me about decorate() hiding stuff ;p Aug 12 04:49:31 haha Aug 12 04:49:33 okay Aug 12 04:49:36 anyways ill be around tomorrow Aug 12 04:49:47 night Aug 12 04:49:56 pea Aug 12 04:49:57 ce Aug 12 05:00:49 :P it still just shows the not spinning spinner on the phone Aug 12 05:01:06 but I fixed the collapsibles Aug 12 05:13:54 hmm Aug 12 05:14:02 I may have just met someone that works at H Aug 12 05:14:13 H? Aug 12 05:14:18 HP Aug 12 05:14:23 oh Aug 12 05:14:39 I met lotsa peeps that now work at HP Aug 12 05:15:04 If you've met me countyourself in that group Aug 12 05:15:21 hrm Aug 12 05:15:38 devdays was fun…. Aug 12 05:15:43 anybody heard of Jason Marsh? Aug 12 05:16:41 Jon Zilber has a KSO account Aug 12 05:16:57 who's jon zilber again? Aug 12 05:17:11 * Tibfib doesn't feel like googling Aug 12 05:17:20 * halfhalo same Aug 12 05:17:22 Manager of @palm Aug 12 05:17:31 and some other stuff Aug 12 05:17:37 oh interesting Aug 12 05:18:27 I play checkers with him Aug 12 05:18:32 * oil_pre hopes there is another devdays so he can go Aug 12 05:18:38 me too Aug 12 05:18:45 me three Aug 12 05:18:56 ich auch Aug 12 05:19:33 god, I love my admin consonsle Aug 12 05:19:44 blarg Aug 12 05:19:44 console Aug 12 05:20:13 was pricy for hotel, but fun Aug 12 05:20:14 kesne whats that link to the site I said I was gonna look at? Aug 12 05:20:14 * oil_pre does too Aug 12 05:20:18 and free phone! Aug 12 05:20:26 Anivrom: Which one? Aug 12 05:20:35 yeah, free phone would have made up cost of trip for me :/ Aug 12 05:20:39 your kso layout Aug 12 05:20:48 Whichever one I said I'd get my wife to lookat Aug 12 05:20:55 fun fact: type "--logout user all" in checkers chat Aug 12 05:20:59 I probably could have gone to the last one if I would have just skipped on work Aug 12 05:21:00 Anivrom: the bad KS layout? Aug 12 05:21:23 Whichever one I said I'd get my wife to lookat Aug 12 05:21:23 < Aug 12 05:21:31 Anivrom: http://i650.photobucket.com/albums/uu229/kesne/KS-design-rough1.png Aug 12 05:22:00 Funfact: type "--unlock (your username)" in checkers chat Aug 12 05:22:21 Funfact: type "thats whats up" on the menu in checkers. Aug 12 05:25:10 All good things to know Aug 12 05:25:32 She says its not disgusting but it needs a sleeker style/layout Aug 12 05:25:41 Okay Aug 12 05:25:44 define sleek Aug 12 05:26:00 um... more graphic design principles implemented Aug 12 05:26:07 Haha Aug 12 05:26:08 alright Aug 12 05:26:13 I'll tell the designer Aug 12 05:26:16 Who I fired Aug 12 05:26:45 * oil_pre bets kesne is the designer Aug 12 05:26:47 the buttons should look like buttons... the new features text should be exciting... and the checkers 2.2 is horribly placed and the font is terrible Aug 12 05:26:51 LOL!! Aug 12 05:27:00 bubble = popped Aug 12 05:27:03 Haha Aug 12 05:27:05 Not at all Aug 12 05:27:09 His name is ryan Aug 12 05:27:28 and the random people icons need to be layed out better Aug 12 05:27:30 He used to come up with app ideas Aug 12 05:27:37 * oil_pre thinks kesne always says there is other people, but it's really just him Aug 12 05:27:39 until Yo Dawg!. Aug 12 05:27:45 the truth comes out Aug 12 05:27:49 lol Aug 12 05:28:01 haha Aug 12 05:28:09 oil_pre: Ryan is on the right http://twitpic.com/13p4ic Aug 12 05:28:36 yeah, I got pictures of me with other people Aug 12 05:28:41 I mean my team Aug 12 05:28:54 oil_pre: I'm no in that picture. Aug 12 05:29:02 oil_pre: You can shoot him an email if you want. Aug 12 05:29:02 lol Aug 12 05:29:04 Chat him up Aug 12 05:29:06 lol Aug 12 05:29:06 oil_pre: lol stop... he's only 16. Aug 12 05:29:16 I'm only 16 Aug 12 05:29:16 gettin defensive xD Aug 12 05:29:21 ryan is 18 Aug 12 05:29:26 Harrison is 16 Aug 12 05:29:32 Terrell is 23 Aug 12 05:29:38 Tell ryan next stop graphic design school :P Aug 12 05:29:40 Andy is 16 Aug 12 05:29:45 I've seen the white jeans, I know the truth... Aug 12 05:29:49 Anivrom: Haha, he's going to community college Aug 12 05:29:54 Anyhows. Gotta go to sleepies n stuf rite. Aug 12 05:29:56 chao Aug 12 05:29:59 oil_pre: White jeans == sex Aug 12 05:30:12 lol Aug 12 05:30:21 Ryan wanted me to pay him 2x minum wage Aug 12 05:30:27 Minimum Aug 12 05:30:43 So I paid him 1/4 of it. Aug 12 05:31:15 it's ok kesne, I believe you >:) Aug 12 05:31:19 +1 for another devdays Aug 12 05:31:24 oil_pre: :P Aug 12 05:31:50 oil_pre: But really, you should see this email he sent me Aug 12 05:31:55 He was really, really mad Aug 12 05:32:02 I should forward it to you Aug 12 05:32:03 lol Aug 12 05:32:41 that's ok, you don't have to make up a fake email to send to me :) Aug 12 05:32:47 Haha Aug 12 05:33:01 lol Aug 12 05:35:29 KSO passed 10,000 users today Aug 12 05:36:17 haeffb: you awake? Aug 12 05:36:35 Woo Aug 12 05:36:43 Just banned the 94.142.*.* IP range Aug 12 05:39:11 Who here wants to talk Aug 12 05:43:13 Old forum system I wrote: http://keen-studios.net/Flashboards/beta4/index.php Aug 12 05:43:40 Really old: http://dev.keen-studios.net/ Aug 12 05:43:45 lol why?\ Aug 12 05:45:58 halfhalo: what? Aug 12 05:46:18 ban an entire ip range… horrible practive Aug 12 05:46:22 practice Aug 12 05:47:00 halfhalo: It's from latvia Aug 12 05:47:41 Doesn't mean a thing. Still Horrible practive Aug 12 05:48:09 halfhalo: it's probably best for anyone who happens to be in that range Aug 12 05:48:18 lol Aug 12 05:48:37 saves them from experiencing Ryan/Kesne's graphic design Aug 12 05:48:44 :p Aug 12 05:48:50 Haha Aug 12 05:48:56 My graphic design == programmer art Aug 12 05:49:14 halfhalo: And besides, banned is really a relative term. On KSO, they just can;t chat Aug 12 05:50:06 its been 15 minutes and this damn documentation still hasn't installed Aug 12 05:50:29 Installing RDoc documentation for activesupport-2.3.8... Aug 12 05:51:17 halfhalo: see, it just keeps getting better for these IP range people Aug 12 05:51:18 KS has done desktop development, website development, OS development, computer installation, computer repair, custom computers, phones/MID's, and apps. Aug 12 05:51:27 rwhitby: :P Aug 12 05:51:57 * rwhitby wonders is we can get kesne to ban the Freenode IP range ... ;) Aug 12 05:52:02 I have literally done all of that, but actually made money on it Aug 12 05:52:07 doitdoitdoitdoit Aug 12 05:52:36 halfhalo: I did too Aug 12 05:52:39 halfhalo: Just not a lot Aug 12 05:52:48 Oh, and games Aug 12 05:52:59 And during a strange part, digital shorts Aug 12 05:53:02 OH THANK YE LORD! ONTO ACTIVERECORD! Which… is a bigger doc install Aug 12 05:53:10 'ello all Aug 12 05:53:13 * dtzWill bows Aug 12 05:53:52 I mostly just spend my free time either with friends, working, being on mah notebook forums, or here Aug 12 05:54:06 speaking of which, time to bum a ride of someone tomorrow Aug 12 05:54:27 Old KS logo: http://i650.photobucket.com/albums/uu229/kesne/KeenStudios.png Aug 12 05:55:25 Best advertising campaign ever: http://i650.photobucket.com/albums/uu229/kesne/PhoneConcs.png Aug 12 05:55:47 funny story, the forums I go to for notebooks is owned by the company that owns ajaxian Aug 12 05:55:51 Old KS Project Logo: http://i650.photobucket.com/albums/uu229/kesne/FlashBoards.png Aug 12 05:55:55 bought them both at the same time Aug 12 05:56:11 Terrible laptop design: http://i650.photobucket.com/albums/uu229/kesne/laptop-side1.gif Aug 12 05:56:34 Old logo: http://i650.photobucket.com/albums/uu229/kesne/computerlogo.gif Aug 12 05:57:19 Fun fact about that laptop: The keyboard (silver thing seen in image) slides out to reveal a smaller screen underneath, which is touch sensative Aug 12 05:57:42 hah Aug 12 05:57:57 sugardave: you still around? Aug 12 05:58:10 rawr Aug 12 05:58:34 How is errbody? Aug 12 05:59:41 http://keen-studios.net/LameBoy/ninjasticksHeader.gif Aug 12 05:59:43 lolol Aug 12 05:59:47 hey snang! Aug 12 06:00:50 * snang is stoked Aug 12 06:01:03 Terrible animation: http://keen-studios.net/LameBoy/stick.avi Aug 12 06:01:16 Okay, that's everything old and KS related I found on this flash drive Aug 12 06:01:30 * snang is flying to Boston for UFC 118. Aug 12 06:01:34 wuuuut. Aug 12 06:01:59 3 guesses as to whats in the "pr0n" folder in this flash drive Aug 12 06:02:17 Naked dudes. Aug 12 06:02:30 What do I win? Aug 12 06:02:31 thats my vote as well with kense Aug 12 06:03:38 stiiiillll waiting for docs to install Aug 12 06:04:12 Haha Aug 12 06:04:16 halfhalo: IT'S KESNE! Aug 12 06:04:26 In the folder its.... it's..... Aug 12 06:04:32 A suspicious EXE file Aug 12 06:04:37 :p Aug 12 06:04:45 and some promotion images for a game that I made Aug 12 06:05:03 halfhalo: pictures of himself in white jeans Aug 12 06:05:07 * halfhalo wonders when kense will ever notice its on purpose since its harder to type kense than ke and tab Aug 12 06:05:49 ok, FINALLY passed activerecord Aug 12 06:05:52 White jeans are pimpin. Aug 12 06:06:01 and rwhitby: thats in the OTHER folder Aug 12 06:06:27 snang: +1 Aug 12 06:06:38 * snang nods Aug 12 06:07:22 hmm Aug 12 06:07:25 Yay, old programming files Aug 12 06:08:07 rwhitby: yes Aug 12 06:08:44 rwhitby: If you'll write a quick patch for me, I'll send you pictures of me wearing white jeans. Aug 12 06:09:03 :D Aug 12 06:09:06 rwhitby: DO IT! Aug 12 06:09:11 and forward it to me Aug 12 06:09:35 The patch or the pics? Aug 12 06:10:21 Uhhh, the patch.... yeah.... Aug 12 06:10:40 snang: I've never seen you around here. Who are you? Aug 12 06:10:55 sugardave: are you familiar with VisualBoyAdvance? Aug 12 06:11:18 rwhitby: not at all :( Aug 12 06:11:29 VBA FTW Aug 12 06:11:35 snang: I'll write you a patch if you can stop kesne posting photos of his white jeans here ... Aug 12 06:11:46 sugardave: gameboy emulator Aug 12 06:11:56 right, I do know that much :D Aug 12 06:12:03 currently homebrew, destined for app catalog Aug 12 06:12:13 oh is it hybrid? Aug 12 06:12:19 SDL all the way Aug 12 06:12:24 dev is wondering about pricing options Aug 12 06:12:55 looking for advice from real developers with paid apps in the catalog, so I told him to come here Aug 12 06:13:04 (and to ignore kesne) Aug 12 06:13:27 :O Aug 12 06:13:38 hmm...I will have to take a look at it, I'd imagine he could command a decent amount for it Aug 12 06:13:47 $4.99 minimum Aug 12 06:13:51 but what is "decent" is pretty subjective Aug 12 06:13:56 yeah I'd say at least $5 Aug 12 06:13:58 $9.99 reccomended Aug 12 06:14:07 Good price, and still should sell Aug 12 06:14:17 Maybe $7.99. Aug 12 06:14:24 Or $7.98. Aug 12 06:14:32 * rwhitby rests his case about ignoring kesne Aug 12 06:14:43 lol Aug 12 06:14:43 * kesne reminds everybody that he is 16 Aug 12 06:14:58 I think $6.99 Aug 12 06:15:05 $13.37 Aug 12 06:15:09 * halfhalo votes 4.99 Aug 12 06:15:09 srsly Aug 12 06:15:09 heh Aug 12 06:15:15 that would be pretty cool Aug 12 06:15:30 rwhitby: Deal. Aug 12 06:15:36 I'd assume it'd be a simple patch. Aug 12 06:15:40 I just dunno where to start. Aug 12 06:15:46 oil_pre: I reckon if like 25 homebrew games were included, you could go $13.37 Aug 12 06:16:11 sugardave: it will still be free in Preware Aug 12 06:16:56 We should even write that in the description "You can buy this for $13.37, or install Preware and get it for free" Aug 12 06:17:04 yup Aug 12 06:17:12 lol Aug 12 06:17:40 HP Employee just asked if I needed any programming help Aug 12 06:17:48 * rwhitby expect most of the punters buying apps will go to the ends of the earth to save the price of a sandwich Aug 12 06:18:11 rwhitby: yeah, that is perfect Aug 12 06:18:12 I said "lulz no! My appz beat urs, u cnt even progrm with mah l33t skillagezzz" Aug 12 06:19:01 I will donate. Aug 12 06:19:04 oil_pre: lol @ price :) Aug 12 06:19:07 Wouldnt expect it for free. Aug 12 06:19:16 lol Aug 12 06:19:19 thank you all for your thoughts on vba (I'm the developer) Aug 12 06:19:33 (except kesne) Aug 12 06:19:40 * oil_pre is mostly joking :) Aug 12 06:19:54 * halfhalo oesn't have any thoughts Aug 12 06:19:56 problem is finding quality homebrew, mostly. else i'd ship them already Aug 12 06:20:00 oil_pre: if you were joking, you'd say $80.08 Aug 12 06:20:29 i might misjudge the common users' ability to acquire roms (legal or otherwise)/read wiki's :/ Aug 12 06:20:35 that's why I said 'mostly' Aug 12 06:20:57 and honestly I'm surprised at how high a price you guys are suggesting, thanks :). Aug 12 06:21:08 Or not. :) Aug 12 06:21:10 dtzWill: sorry I haven't checked it out yet...I spend too much of my time with my phone debugging my own code :D Aug 12 06:21:24 dtzWill: I don't think you can ever underestimate the average app buyers ability to do anything. Just ask James Harris Aug 12 06:21:36 sugardave: understood, and no worries at all :). Aug 12 06:22:09 sugardave: what project(s) do you work on that I might be familiar with? Aug 12 06:22:13 hmm Aug 12 06:22:24 or perhaps *should* become familiar with? Aug 12 06:23:28 dtzWill: well...I'm really mostly a hobbyist....I haven't really contributed any code to projects. I'm like a cheerleader for the Mojo side of things Aug 12 06:23:48 I have some apps in the catalog from eraly on....real amateur stuff :D Aug 12 06:24:19 but I wrote the early Mojo database wiki pages, so I got that going for me Aug 12 06:24:20 Is this really impressive or is it just me? Aug 12 06:24:20 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GL2dwXa1_gw&feature=player_embedded Aug 12 06:25:28 sugardave: nice! didn't mean to make you try to 'prove' yourself, just I don't frequent #webos enough to know the people :) Aug 12 06:26:03 it's all good Aug 12 06:26:07 I hang in here a lot Aug 12 06:26:36 it's not all bad in here once you /ignore kesne Aug 12 06:26:40 :) Aug 12 06:26:47 :'( Aug 12 06:27:07 lol Aug 12 06:27:07 ha Aug 12 06:27:17 >:O app cat uploader. appinfo.json /is/ in the ipk! :( Aug 12 06:28:34 Anybody willing to throw together a quick patch for a small donation? Aug 12 06:30:18 * sugardave unashamedly steals haeffb's availability string for his homebrew app. Aug 12 06:30:33 morning Aug 12 06:30:48 say good morning swisstomcat Aug 12 06:30:48 I'm out Aug 12 06:30:48 Good morning swisstomcat! Aug 12 06:30:52 bye guys Aug 12 06:30:55 cu kesne Aug 12 06:30:55 later Aug 12 06:31:05 good morning dekan-san Aug 12 06:31:15 okay, I just uploaded iHaveSpirit...hopefully it will be active tomorrow Aug 12 06:31:26 new app? Aug 12 06:31:30 there is no sports category Aug 12 06:31:34 * snang gropes swisstomcat Aug 12 06:31:35 swisstomcat: yep Aug 12 06:31:50 it's geared to US college sports audiences Aug 12 06:32:13 * swisstomcat hides behind the sofa Aug 12 06:32:14 right now it's just a color flasher...pick your favorite team and flash your screen Aug 12 06:32:25 but I have some bigger plans for it Aug 12 06:32:39 Rawr. Aug 12 06:32:51 Can't believe nobody wants my money. Aug 12 06:33:18 what is the patch? Aug 12 06:33:33 Allows you to lock the device with a key combo. Aug 12 06:33:39 Lock (with pin), not just screen lock. Aug 12 06:33:58 that sounds useful Aug 12 06:34:18 I want to leave the device to lock auto after x minutes, but have the option to manually lock it with a key combo. Aug 12 06:34:30 lots of open spots in the pdk hot apps competition .. who is planning to go for it? Aug 12 06:34:54 Like Orange + L Aug 12 06:35:00 Will manually lock it. Aug 12 06:35:15 if I wake up tomorrow magically knowing C++ or OpenGL or SDL or any of that other stuff, I'll definitely be gunning for one. Aug 12 06:36:37 yeah, that's my fear too ... i have no experience in that area Aug 12 06:38:23 okay seriously anyone have any experience submitting apps to the app cat and them being rejected because of missing appinfo.json? Aug 12 06:38:36 it's ...definitely there. created the thing with palm-generate/palm-install too... :/ Aug 12 06:39:18 that's new Aug 12 06:39:27 dtzWill: no clue...I don't think I've seen anyone mention such in a looooong time Aug 12 06:39:36 i mean how are supposed to even make an ipk without appinfo.json? Aug 12 06:39:52 i've seen some discussion about submit problems in the dev forums tho Aug 12 06:39:54 I think there was a post on the dev forum earlier asking if app submission was borked Aug 12 06:41:54 Guess I'll try and write the patch myself. Aug 12 06:41:57 * snang shrugs Aug 12 06:42:19 snang: sorry, I'm not sure what even goes into writing a patch Aug 12 06:42:35 if it were all Mojo I could give it a go, but I fear it isn't Aug 12 06:43:15 alright, I'm out Aug 12 06:43:30 dekan: say night sugardave Aug 12 06:43:31 Error 42: Factoid not in database. Please contact administrator of current universe. Aug 12 06:43:35 bah Aug 12 06:43:39 night sugardave Aug 12 07:09:47 swisstomcat Aug 12 07:09:48 swisstomcat drives a chevy to work Aug 12 07:09:52 wheres the list of pdk apps? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Aug 12 07:18:02 2010 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Aug 12 07:24:14 2010 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Aug 12 07:26:10 2010 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Aug 12 07:28:14 2010 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Aug 12 08:22:14 2010 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Aug 12 08:26:17 2010 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Aug 12 08:28:15 2010 Aug 12 08:41:32 hey fellow webosers Aug 12 08:42:36 hello Aug 12 08:44:04 :D **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Aug 12 09:08:57 2010 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Aug 12 13:58:14 2010 Aug 12 13:58:26 checking... Aug 12 13:58:33 i have to use novaterm :/ Aug 12 13:58:36 let me look Aug 12 13:58:37 when is your deadline for tuts? Aug 12 13:58:46 the article? Aug 12 13:58:49 no deadline Aug 12 13:58:54 asap they said Aug 12 13:59:05 i've started part 2 Aug 12 13:59:07 wow angrybirds, the iPad game Aug 12 13:59:11 yeah Aug 12 13:59:16 have played it for a wee bit Aug 12 13:59:18 cool game Aug 12 13:59:24 they get 60k downloads per week on ios Aug 12 13:59:35 just woke up, could not think "angry birds" Aug 12 13:59:41 damn Aug 12 13:59:42 I have a marked up copy on my desk Aug 12 14:00:06 bbl Aug 12 14:00:44 failed to mount lib on something Aug 12 14:01:29 anyone here gotten the simple app running? Aug 12 14:01:40 i'm having trouble Aug 12 14:08:36 is angry birds a free app? Aug 12 14:15:22 Hi guys, is there a possibility to load several source files through the sources.json when opening a scene? Aug 12 14:17:09 LoneStar99: they have 2 versions... a lite and a full Aug 12 14:17:25 so the lite will get lots of money... and the full will get lots of money... :/ Aug 12 14:17:37 * HattCzech_work needs to think of a good idea for a pdk app Aug 12 14:17:46 and needs to get the simple app working Aug 12 14:19:16 testing wirc on the road Aug 12 14:19:28 plasmasolutions: yes, just add them to sources.json Aug 12 14:20:17 you can define which scene(s) a .js should be loaded for Aug 12 14:20:47 or for all of them Aug 12 14:21:32 i just load all of them Aug 12 14:22:17 bbl, tunnel Aug 12 14:24:15 lol @ tunnel Aug 12 14:25:14 how many people here got the simple app running? Aug 12 14:25:42 swisstomcat: sorry got tied up at work, cool so youve been doing it for a while **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Aug 12 14:26:17 2010 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Aug 12 14:38:15 2010 Aug 12 14:38:58 HattCzech_work: you can not even get the sample working on desktop? Aug 12 14:40:52 nope Aug 12 14:41:06 well, i haven't tried desktop Aug 12 14:41:10 i was trying device Aug 12 14:41:21 what's the proper way to do it for desktop? Aug 12 14:41:27 u using a full version of VC++ Aug 12 14:42:35 i've got vs2008 Aug 12 14:42:45 i opened the solution, it converted Aug 12 14:43:09 but then i didn't know how to play from there Aug 12 14:44:31 tried to build and it failed... but i don't think i had the compiler installed, so let me see now Aug 12 14:44:53 still fails Aug 12 14:44:54 HattCzech_work: i followed the following and it worked, http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1974&Itemid=336 Aug 12 14:45:54 HattCzech_work: what is it that you are working on? Aug 12 14:46:24 LoneStar99: thanks, looking over that now Aug 12 14:46:34 bhodder: nothing yet, just want to get up and running Aug 12 14:46:55 HattCzech_work: you have to choose "Start without Debugging" Aug 12 14:47:16 oh ok, I just getting things installed and that myself Aug 12 15:00:12 just tested the PDK sample on my computer and it works Aug 12 15:01:17 goddammit Dieter Aug 12 15:01:32 make my app live Aug 12 15:01:49 I hear other apps are live in 10 minutes...it's been 9 hours... Aug 12 15:06:34 sugardave: he doesn't like you Aug 12 15:06:48 sugardave: was it a web distro? **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Aug 12 15:18:14 2010 Aug 12 15:28:13 yo dawgs Aug 12 15:33:28 Hi codeslaw Aug 12 15:33:40 hey Aug 12 15:33:45 game launch soon for you? Aug 12 15:34:12 hey Aug 12 15:34:21 I hope so. I'm going to put the lite version on the beta feeds later this week. Aug 12 15:35:15 The last 10% of a project always seems to take longer than the first 90%. :) Aug 12 15:35:37 truth Aug 12 15:35:44 i about ready to launch my free version Aug 12 15:35:49 reworked the tempo manager Aug 12 15:36:03 just need to film a quick demo video, and figure out why my font loading still crashes my app **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Aug 12 15:38:14 2010 Aug 12 15:38:26 can you -as a developer- create new services that other apps may use? Aug 12 15:38:36 madnificent: not yet, possibly in the future Aug 12 15:39:14 codeslaw: I believe that you have to run pdk-ssh-init again. Aug 12 15:39:22 is it feasible to do so if you don't want to get in palm's app catalog? Aug 12 15:39:55 crap, i didn't even know that command existed! i thought it was rolled into pdk-device-install Aug 12 15:40:06 madnificent: what do you mean? Aug 12 15:40:30 What are you guys working on Aug 12 15:41:30 codeslaw: is it hard to create new services if you're not staying within the bounds that palm gives you. For instance: say that you'd replace/edit the gps service module, would that be possible? (not allowed) Aug 12 15:41:48 well yes, it's possible, look into the webos-internals kit Aug 12 15:42:04 homebrew community could use your service for non-official apps Aug 12 15:42:25 codeslaw: thanks, that's a perfect answer Aug 12 15:42:51 another thing I was wondering about: It is possible to run apps in the background that don't have a card open right? Aug 12 15:43:12 yes Aug 12 15:43:24 and that would be legal for palms app catalog, right? Aug 12 15:43:38 yes, headless apps are allowed Aug 12 15:43:42 cardless* Aug 12 15:43:53 thanks again Aug 12 15:44:13 bhodder: I'm working on a physics puzzle game. It's kind of hard to explain without showing it. :) Aug 12 15:44:37 ohhh cool that will be neat to srr Aug 12 15:44:40 maik: that list is growing, it seems Aug 12 15:44:41 *see Aug 12 15:44:49 LoneStar99: no, precentral homebrew app Aug 12 15:44:52 Robdor: similar to angry birds? or something else Aug 12 15:45:01 sugardave: list? Aug 12 15:45:04 It's kind of like Ragdoll blaster on the iPhone. Aug 12 15:45:08 the list of people who don't like me Aug 12 15:45:15 havent played that one Aug 12 15:45:16 hah, why do you say that? Aug 12 15:45:24 sugardave: oh ok ... can you sell apps on pre central? Aug 12 15:46:27 LoneStar99: I don't think so...this is a beta of an app I'm working on Aug 12 15:46:34 maik: I just have this feeling.... Aug 12 15:46:38 cool Aug 12 15:46:50 like a disturbance Aug 12 15:47:03 a groundswell of sugarhate Aug 12 15:47:21 lol Aug 12 15:48:02 lol Aug 12 15:49:43 * halfhalo prepares for his final. Pencil: Check. Paper: Check. Crowbar: Check. Extremely Large Knife: Check. Quarters: Check. Aug 12 15:50:59 dekan: inventory Aug 12 15:50:59 ACTION is carrying a coke, a sugardave, a deathray, 1.4.5 which is worth 2 in the bush, a 900killoton thermonuclear warhead, a flux capacitor, the capacity to hold the third death star, the ring, more clue, a Sublime CD, a Bag of Holding, even more clue, more and more clue, a penny, a cheeeesy burger, a parked tractor trailer full of tri-ply and quad-ply toilet paper, some gum, more gum, a copy of g++ by codesourcery, and th Aug 12 15:51:13 lol fail Aug 12 15:51:14 oooo, I want 'and th' Aug 12 15:51:48 * sugardave gives dekan a swift kick in the ass Aug 12 15:51:49 * dekan drops a Sublime CD and takes a swift kick in the ass. Aug 12 15:51:52 haha Aug 12 15:52:01 * codeslaw gives dekan a high five Aug 12 15:52:02 * dekan is now carrying a high five, but dropped a cheeeesy burger. Aug 12 15:52:03 rofl Aug 12 15:52:12 dekan: thanks! Aug 12 15:52:13 Error 42: Factoid not in database. Please contact administrator of current universe. Aug 12 15:52:34 dekan: thanks You're welcome, $who! Aug 12 15:52:35 Okay, maik. Aug 12 15:52:46 dekan: thanks Aug 12 15:52:47 You're welcome, codeslaw! Aug 12 15:52:52 lol Aug 12 15:52:52 niiiiice Aug 12 15:52:54 thanks Aug 12 15:52:55 You're welcome, maik! Aug 12 15:52:56 :D Aug 12 15:52:57 haha Aug 12 15:52:59 codeslaw: thanks Aug 12 15:53:00 You're welcome, maik! Aug 12 15:53:03 * maik pats dekan Aug 12 15:53:04 * dekan purrrrrrrrrr Aug 12 15:53:04 * halfhalo gives dekan everything Aug 12 15:53:05 * dekan hands halfhalo a parked tractor trailer full of tri-ply and quad-ply toilet paper in exchange for everything Aug 12 15:53:12 rofl Aug 12 15:53:19 This is totally going on ebay Aug 12 15:53:19 good trade Aug 12 15:53:24 haha Aug 12 15:54:08 got fonts working as long as i use system fonts Aug 12 15:54:20 but... wtf is the deal with my local image not loading anymore Aug 12 15:57:00 codeslaw: were you using ssh on your own or just for pdk apps? Aug 12 15:57:16 i had to recreate a user to access ssh after the update Aug 12 15:57:22 both Aug 12 15:57:35 just ran pdk-ssh-init Aug 12 15:57:39 and it fixed it Aug 12 15:57:56 HattCzech_work: oh, I know Aug 12 15:58:01 run pdk-ssh-init Aug 12 15:58:03 :P Aug 12 15:58:18 heheh Aug 12 15:59:23 chuqui Aug 12 15:59:24 LOOK, A PUPPY!!" Aug 12 15:59:31 hahaha Aug 12 15:59:32 good morning, all! Aug 12 15:59:50 chuqui: my code has bugs. will you fix? Aug 12 16:00:20 sprays some RAID on the code... Aug 12 16:00:28 * HattCzech_work coughs Aug 12 16:00:42 that stuff is nasty, don't inhale Aug 12 16:00:46 (sprays more) Aug 12 16:00:58 AAAAGGGGGHHHHHH!! Aug 12 16:00:59 hehe Aug 12 16:01:20 love the smell of bug fixes in the morning Aug 12 16:01:37 excuse me.. bug asphyxiation* Aug 12 16:02:05 it smells like... Victor! Aug 12 16:02:22 um. victory. damn. I hate putting typos in punch lines. Aug 12 16:02:41 always the worst Aug 12 16:03:07 urg... now i'm back to having dropbear and openssh installed on my pre :/ Aug 12 16:03:30 ;( Aug 12 16:04:28 * oil_laptop only has that stuff on his devpre Aug 12 16:05:15 my phone is my dev pre :( Aug 12 16:05:34 oh Aug 12 16:05:41 which was really fun before the SDK came out and i found out i could crash messaging after changed i made :) Aug 12 16:05:49 so...this flasher I wrote. It works alright, but I notice some slowdown a few seconds into it...the colors stop flashing and then kick in again. What's a good strategy to keep that from happening Aug 12 16:05:51 changes* Aug 12 16:05:54 * sugardave imagines angry emails. Aug 12 16:10:03 sugardave: tell users to use uberkernel? Aug 12 16:10:39 dave did you figure anything out Aug 12 16:10:53 lol Aug 12 16:11:20 dawm_: I fixed collapsibles...the spinner shows but doesn't spin Aug 12 16:11:30 "good enough" for government work Aug 12 16:13:05 goverment work is crap work Aug 12 16:13:45 do you have spinning=true in the model? xD Aug 12 16:14:02 spinner worked when i sent it to you :P Aug 12 16:14:10 oil_laptop: yes Aug 12 16:14:37 dawm_: nuh-uh...scroll way back I happened to punch in here "damn, spinner doesn't spin" right after you re-logged in Aug 12 16:14:57 it worked when i sent it to you :) Aug 12 16:15:03 it shows without having to add the class name like haeffb suggested Aug 12 16:15:16 * halfhalo is off to take his final Aug 12 16:15:16 it's my static spinner! :D Aug 12 16:15:31 * oil_laptop wishes halfhalo good luck? Aug 12 16:15:34 halfhalo: don't screw up... err good luck Aug 12 16:15:41 break a pencil! Aug 12 16:15:42 lol Aug 12 16:15:52 its 45% of my grade…. grrrr calc Aug 12 16:16:20 halfhalo-final: good luck! Aug 12 16:16:41 why doesn't runit.cmd work? Aug 12 16:16:46 halfhalo-final: disregard school. acquire women. Aug 12 16:16:51 and it asks me for login info Aug 12 16:16:51 oh wait a minute... Aug 12 16:17:48 hmm this could be useful http://github.com/fictivekin/webshell Aug 12 16:20:35 oil_laptop: model was set to false, but changing to true did nothing :D Aug 12 16:28:39 hmmm, so putty works... why doesn't plink? Aug 12 16:34:09 anyone? anyone? why does putty work? but not plink? Aug 12 16:34:58 what are you using it for? Aug 12 16:36:03 it's one of the commands in runit.cmd Aug 12 16:36:13 it connects to the device and runs the app Aug 12 16:36:26 but it asks me to login (which it shouldn't) and then doesn't run Aug 12 16:36:30 lol Aug 12 16:36:50 O hai every'1' Aug 12 16:36:58 ohhh ok Aug 12 16:37:05 the command is 'plink'? Aug 12 16:37:13 yup Aug 12 16:37:14 plinko Aug 12 16:37:17 Plinko? Aug 12 16:37:24 sh not found... how is SH NOT FOUND!? Aug 12 16:37:26 "Come on down!" Aug 12 16:37:27 hey Anivrom Aug 12 16:37:27 +1 Aug 12 16:37:39 "you're the next contestant on the Price is Righ!" Aug 12 16:37:40 HattCzech_work: wrong interpreter Aug 12 16:37:47 Beat you to it sugardave Aug 12 16:37:48 sh plink Aug 12 16:37:49 soo Aug 12 16:37:49 agh! Aug 12 16:37:53 Right* Aug 12 16:38:06 malware had access to the microphone, but we developers dont? wth is that all about Aug 12 16:38:16 sugardave: wrong interpreter? Aug 12 16:38:23 yeah Aug 12 16:38:25 My ringtone is the theme song. Its a hit with everyone when I get a call Aug 12 16:38:37 it's like it expects sh, but your shell is different Aug 12 16:38:45 so you do Aug 12 16:38:52 bin.sh plink Aug 12 16:38:52 sugardave: once I have everything setup and running, where is good place to start with learning to do apps and such? Aug 12 16:38:58 right here :D Aug 12 16:39:12 ... ? Aug 12 16:39:17 dkirker Aug 12 16:39:19 the command is a windows command Aug 12 16:39:21 lol ok :) Aug 12 16:39:27 dekan: dkirker? Aug 12 16:39:28 Not a bloody clue, sir. Aug 12 16:39:29 awe Aug 12 16:39:34 hi maik Aug 12 16:39:35 Bhodder.this.channel = webos.development Aug 12 16:39:36 hihi Aug 12 16:39:54 * dkirker-pre trots off to work :/ Aug 12 16:39:59 does my pre not have access to sh? Aug 12 16:40:04 http://www.webosroundup.com/2010/08/webos-0day-exploit/ Aug 12 16:40:08 perfect. Aug 12 16:40:09 dkirker: your phone is leaving without you Aug 12 16:40:37 HattCzech_work: I'm grasping...but I only ever see that if the shell magic is wrong Aug 12 16:40:41 I had my suspicions you were secretly a horse dkirker Aug 12 16:40:54 yeah Aug 12 16:41:00 You just confirmed it Aug 12 16:41:03 HattCzech_work: oh this is a windows script? **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Aug 12 16:44:14 2010 Aug 12 16:44:25 http://webos.pastebin.com/tKXida2t Aug 12 16:44:26 I am just prefer linux Aug 12 16:44:49 for to be programming? Aug 12 16:44:49 i like linux, but never fully made the switch Aug 12 16:44:59 game = windows Aug 12 16:45:04 (until steam recently) Aug 12 16:45:30 <3 Mac Aug 12 16:45:44 Die maik Aug 12 16:45:47 i'd like a 13" macbook pro if they were core iX Aug 12 16:45:55 Anivrom|pre: keep using Ares Aug 12 16:45:58 and shut your mouth Aug 12 16:46:00 gpsmission.com needs to make a webos version Aug 12 16:46:00 :D Aug 12 16:46:07 And if it were half the price Aug 12 16:46:08 theyve got it for everything else.. Aug 12 16:46:27 the 13" pro is reasonably priced Aug 12 16:46:28 that is true Aug 12 16:46:29 unlike the 15" and 17" Aug 12 16:47:05 and by reasonably, i mean still more than other brands, but not as much Aug 12 16:47:07 HattCzech_work: oh, wait.../media/internal/simple is just a dir? what is this supposed to do? Aug 12 16:47:15 ya i noticed steam finally cam out. Im a counter strike source guy Aug 12 16:48:39 Maik: I WILL keep using ares, just to spike all that hatorade everyone in here is drinking! Aug 12 16:48:52 a pdk app Aug 12 16:49:06 i type simple (when i'm in /media/internal) and it opens the pdk app Aug 12 16:49:13 oh Aug 12 16:49:16 it's not a dir Aug 12 16:49:24 it's executable or script? Aug 12 16:49:33 executable i guess Aug 12 16:49:41 you Aug 12 16:49:42 don't Aug 12 16:49:44 know? Aug 12 16:49:45 i don't have to do ./simple Aug 12 16:49:46 Me Aug 12 16:49:48 its an executable Aug 12 16:49:55 hmm Aug 12 16:49:58 Both of us togetheeer Aug 12 16:50:01 a script can be executable Aug 12 16:50:07 HattCzech_work: just got an email mac pro with 12 cores! that is nuts Aug 12 16:50:13 hell, anything +x can be executable Aug 12 16:50:30 and did you notice the price?! Aug 12 16:50:40 HattCzech_work: if you 'cat /media/internal/simple' do you get back a bunch of shell script lines or a bunch of binary junk? Aug 12 16:50:43 i could build something like that (w/o the fancy case) for MUCH LESS Aug 12 16:50:50 Less than a cup of coffee Aug 12 16:50:55 ...a secnd Aug 12 16:51:20 chmod +x dekan Aug 12 16:51:23 not script... binary Aug 12 16:51:44 what the hell wants sh...? Aug 12 16:52:07 dekan: is +x, he's a perl script :D Aug 12 16:52:08 A thousand apologies, effendi, but I do not understand. Aug 12 16:52:18 botsmack Aug 12 16:52:19 * dekan cowers Aug 12 16:52:35 haha Aug 12 16:52:39 -: Aug 12 16:52:50 botsnack Aug 12 16:52:50 * dekan nom nom nom Aug 12 16:53:14 dekan: bubble gum Aug 12 16:53:15 I don't know Aug 12 16:53:19 dekan: duke nukem Aug 12 16:53:20 Beeeeeeeeeeeeep! Aug 12 16:53:33 dekan: bubblegum Aug 12 16:53:34 I came to kick ass and chew bubble gum...and it looks like I'm all out of gum Aug 12 16:53:36 \o/ Aug 12 16:53:43 hah Aug 12 16:57:15 sigh... solved all my font/image worries with a single "make clean" Aug 12 16:57:22 this crap drives me mad sometimes Aug 12 16:58:14 HattCzech_work: humor me: http://webos.pastebin.com/zeykA4sz Aug 12 17:00:18 whoooooo wants to beta test?!?! Aug 12 17:00:25 ipk ready to go here Aug 12 17:00:37 Meme Aug 12 17:00:42 codeslaw: what is it? Aug 12 17:00:46 k, let me put her up on the server Aug 12 17:00:57 sugardave: my music sequencer app Aug 12 17:01:14 sugardave ay gmail Aug 12 17:01:15 * oil_laptop has no clue what a music sequencer is Aug 12 17:01:16 at Aug 12 17:01:32 just gonna put a link on my server to the ipk Aug 12 17:01:40 k Aug 12 17:02:27 oil 0.3.0 is nice Aug 12 17:02:31 :) Aug 12 17:02:48 I'll be a beta tester Aug 12 17:02:57 I'm pushing for a end of the week beta on my game but problems are holding me back. Namely I can't figure out why this one method isn't working properly :/ Aug 12 17:03:10 seems less hungry as well Aug 12 17:03:17 its all-around better Aug 12 17:03:43 codeslaw: I'll be a beta tester for you Aug 12 17:04:26 k gimme a sec... just started segfaulting here AGAIN... hate my life Aug 12 17:04:36 k Aug 12 17:04:39 man.. LBP2 is gonna freaking own Aug 12 17:05:07 what is LBP2 dawm? Aug 12 17:05:22 I haven't played LBP in a while Aug 12 17:05:24 they pissed me off Aug 12 17:05:25 little big planet 2 Aug 12 17:05:37 ohhh ok Aug 12 17:05:49 All the crappy maps pissed me off Aug 12 17:05:53 I need to watch some trailers Aug 12 17:06:02 So hard ro find a good one Aug 12 17:06:04 where can i get it at Aug 12 17:06:06 the online create with friends that never came Aug 12 17:06:12 Ps3 Aug 12 17:06:19 the "marketpolace" where we could sell cool shit that never came Aug 12 17:06:21 etc. Aug 12 17:06:32 dave yah, might be all rolled into v2 Aug 12 17:06:34 ohh its for Ps3? Aug 12 17:06:41 its omg so more advanced Aug 12 17:07:06 I busted my ass to get a copy of LBP on the original release date before all that hullabaloo by the Muslim guy over that one track Aug 12 17:07:25 heh i have the GOTY one Aug 12 17:07:28 well after the hullabaloo and before the push-back date Aug 12 17:07:30 you see the limbo LBP level? Aug 12 17:07:47 no, I seriously haven't played it in almost a year Aug 12 17:07:53 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFvB3LNbs_U Aug 12 17:07:59 I only need 3-4 trophies for platinumk, though Aug 12 17:08:02 its a LBP remake of the XBL Arcade game Limbo Aug 12 17:08:26 omg, can you record now? Aug 12 17:08:37 no idea Aug 12 17:08:44 theres water now too Aug 12 17:09:32 oh, that one looks cool....I did get water, because I got the PotC add-on Aug 12 17:09:38 for my daughter Aug 12 17:10:27 and heres the original that they based that level off of Aug 12 17:10:27 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snvoRkDplbw Aug 12 17:11:42 sugardave: same... Aug 12 17:11:43 sh: root@localhost: not found Aug 12 17:13:01 Anivrom|pre: I cannot use their icon... Aug 12 17:13:17 Awww Aug 12 17:13:19 i need more friends with LBP so i can complete my trophy collection :) Aug 12 17:13:49 i've got 4 or 5 platinums Aug 12 17:14:01 HattCzech_work: cant help you there no Ps3 :P Aug 12 17:14:12 bhodder: go get one :0 Aug 12 17:14:15 :) Aug 12 17:14:25 use it as a blu-ray player and media center :) Aug 12 17:14:27 does playstation have trophy whores like xbox has achievement whores? Aug 12 17:14:41 oil_laptop: probably Aug 12 17:14:43 lol I plan on it :) Aug 12 17:14:51 my PSN is dawm btw Aug 12 17:14:53 i just like getting platinum for games i own Aug 12 17:15:06 dawm, i'll add you tonight... mine's PriceCzech Aug 12 17:15:25 czech stop -- kolache heaven Aug 12 17:15:30 HattCzech_work: hmmm running out of ideas Aug 12 17:15:34 mmmmmm, yes indeed Aug 12 17:15:45 * oil_laptop gamertag is not surprisingly: oi1 Aug 12 17:15:46 sugardave: what's also weird... Aug 12 17:15:50 xD Aug 12 17:15:56 is that plink asks for un/pw Aug 12 17:16:01 when it's provided in the line :/ Aug 12 17:16:03 In Ares I have this radio button I made and when I tap the button it gets selected/pushed down like it should but right when I tap in the textbox below it, the selected/pushed look goes away. How can I keep it pushed down? Aug 12 17:16:03 im biocandy on XBL and dawm on PSN Aug 12 17:16:22 id have dawm on XBL if XBL would let me reclaim my original XBOX1 beta account Aug 12 17:16:25 but they wont Aug 12 17:16:43 just wasting space in a database somewhere in redmond.. Aug 12 17:16:58 some guy already had oil Aug 12 17:17:00 i want to change my psn id, but that's still not available :/ Aug 12 17:17:00 for whatever reason Aug 12 17:17:03 idk what he was thinking Aug 12 17:17:06 I have XBl but prefer PC gaming Aug 12 17:17:28 bhodder: depends on the game :) Aug 12 17:17:31 HattCzech_work: try -l root Aug 12 17:17:34 pc gaming always felt like it has more cheaters then consoles Aug 12 17:17:42 -l passes login name to interactive prompt Aug 12 17:17:48 and id just rather not deal with that Aug 12 17:17:55 apparently back in the day if you let your XBL account (xbox1 days) subscription run out, the account gets locked and you have to create another one Aug 12 17:18:06 they will not let you recover it (ive tried..) Aug 12 17:18:07 lol Aug 12 17:18:12 that sucks Aug 12 17:18:13 still asks Aug 12 17:18:16 i know Aug 12 17:18:20 and doesn't know what sh is :/ Aug 12 17:18:34 fuck plink Aug 12 17:18:39 install cygwin Aug 12 17:18:41 use ssh Aug 12 17:18:44 hahahahah Aug 12 17:18:45 um Aug 12 17:18:46 use putty Aug 12 17:18:49 or novaterm Aug 12 17:18:54 i'll just do this shit manually Aug 12 17:18:58 lame :./ Aug 12 17:19:01 :/ Aug 12 17:20:06 manually: the best way Aug 12 17:20:20 haeffb_pre: how long did you say it took for Noted! to go live at PreCentral? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Aug 12 17:22:21 2010 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Aug 12 17:34:15 2010 Aug 12 17:34:20 sucks that i have to spend it wisely.. like on furniture, lawn tools+mower .. Aug 12 17:34:23 house buying sucks Aug 12 17:34:43 * oil_laptop spends all his on drugs and hookers Aug 12 17:34:44 dawm_: would that need to be pdk? Aug 12 17:34:53 HattCzech_work, i dont knowz Aug 12 17:35:12 hookers and blow! hookers and blow! where can we go for some hookers and blow?! Aug 12 17:35:25 just about anywhere! Aug 12 17:35:32 haha Aug 12 17:35:55 I have to acctually start working on apps before i get them Aug 12 17:36:11 haha, my friend got one of those shirts frmo tshirt hell "id rather be snorting coke off a hookers ass" Aug 12 17:36:32 anyone have any spare cash they don't mind throwing around? (donation to MS society) Aug 12 17:36:34 hehe Aug 12 17:36:48 lol Aug 12 17:37:02 haeffb_pre: I'm operating with a household deficit right now Aug 12 17:37:15 not quite as large as the federal government, but I'm taking my cues from them Aug 12 17:37:16 ok, im outta here Aug 12 17:37:29 surely, my life will be just fine if I follow the government's example Aug 12 17:38:12 what do you think would happen Aug 12 17:38:25 if a winner accidently clicked issue refund on their prize Aug 12 17:38:32 oh no Aug 12 17:38:39 you didn't do that did you? Aug 12 17:38:43 no Aug 12 17:38:45 that would suck Aug 12 17:38:47 whew Aug 12 17:38:50 but they really shouldnt have that button on the main view Aug 12 17:38:57 its too accidental looking Aug 12 17:39:18 ya agrees Aug 12 17:41:26 woohoo! I'm rich! Aug 12 17:41:38 no, you're brian Aug 12 17:41:53 haeffb_pre: orly? Aug 12 17:42:09 BRIAN!? Aug 12 17:42:29 OMG Aug 12 17:42:34 OMG I just got my money from Palm!!! Aug 12 17:42:40 hahah Aug 12 17:42:40 OMG!! Aug 12 17:42:45 Nyceane: rich rich? Aug 12 17:42:47 \o/ Aug 12 17:42:52 why haven't i gotten my money from Palm? Aug 12 17:42:57 I can finally pal off my bills =D Aug 12 17:43:01 * dkirker wants money from Palm Aug 12 17:43:03 maik: cuz palm doesn't like you Aug 12 17:43:09 HattCzech_work: but but Aug 12 17:43:17 hehehe Aug 12 17:43:25 i guess it hasn't been long enough yet Aug 12 17:43:44 thank you thank you thank you chuck =D Aug 12 17:43:47 =D Aug 12 17:44:02 now, my pdk app requires a while before it gets ready -_- Aug 12 17:44:04 awe, the scale of my graph on myappbox changed to a max of 12/day :( Aug 12 17:44:07 haha Aug 12 17:44:41 looks like it will change to 10 tomorrow Aug 12 17:45:44 yeah i get like... 6 a day Aug 12 17:46:01 how in the hell do you add something to the beginning of a retweet? mine automatically goes, but I see retweets all the time that are more like replies Aug 12 17:46:04 on 3 apps, so it's more like 15-20 a day Aug 12 17:47:01 tweet and retweet were in a boat, tweet jumped out, who was left? Aug 12 17:48:47 so i still need to figure out how to pay off the rest of the $3000 i owe citi lol Aug 12 17:48:56 doh Aug 12 17:48:58 Nyceane: pocket lint Aug 12 17:49:00 eek Aug 12 17:49:08 Nyceane: first born? Aug 12 17:49:08 can i release my demo on pdk? Aug 12 17:49:15 that's a lot of pocket lint, though Aug 12 17:49:17 maik, yah, how did you know? Aug 12 17:49:35 maik, what do you need me to tweet? Aug 12 17:49:58 i can release my demo version for pdk, but then again it would be crappy =( Aug 12 17:50:21 i was hoping someone would say retweet so i could paste: Aug 12 17:50:22 RT @maik: tweet and retweet were in a boat, tweet jumped out, who was left? Aug 12 17:50:39 pwned Aug 12 17:51:06 fucking chris pirillo beat me to it back in april apparently Aug 12 17:51:18 haha Aug 12 17:52:03 i remember that guy Aug 12 17:52:05 lockergnome Aug 12 17:52:18 WAAAAAYYY back in the day Aug 12 17:52:19 i was really just about to post that too, but figured there's no way i'm that original Aug 12 17:52:21 and sho 'nuff Aug 12 17:53:29 i always hated pirillo Aug 12 17:59:10 mmmm Aug 12 17:59:13 bonus cash from palm Aug 12 18:00:52 rwhitby: thanks for the reality check the other night....don't know what I was thinking. The flasher app is now one copy with all the schools instead of one for each conference Aug 12 18:09:21 * DougReeder waves hello Aug 12 18:10:18 sugardave: if that was what you were thinking idk what you were thinking either Aug 12 18:10:44 Lol Aug 12 18:11:49 it was "listening to the user" that was my problem Aug 12 18:12:04 Hah Aug 12 18:12:15 Problem indeed Aug 12 18:12:18 okay late naplunch Aug 12 18:12:21 dekan: naplunch Aug 12 18:12:22 * dekan dims the lights and fluffs the pillows. Aug 12 18:12:29 We're not supposed to do that Aug 12 18:12:44 Anivrom|pre: don't ask, don't tell Aug 12 18:13:34 Maik: are you saying you're gay? Aug 12 18:13:46 yes, i'm saying you're gay. Aug 12 18:14:39 I know you are but what am I? Aug 12 18:17:26 so's your face Aug 12 18:20:08 Anyone not gotten Hot Apps paymens yet? Aug 12 18:20:49 DougReeder: i did 5 minutes ago, literally Aug 12 18:22:52 I got mine a half hour ago -- yay, money! Aug 12 18:23:18 Atleast they're paying Aug 12 18:24:54 A tad disappointing they were still disorganized after, what 5 months? Aug 12 18:24:55 so what the hell... the font freaking SEGFAULTS when i run the app from launcher, but it LOADS FINE when i run it in the debugger, WITH JAILER Aug 12 18:25:01 codeslaw: you got a large chunk, right? Aug 12 18:25:15 depends what you mean by... chunk Aug 12 18:25:26 of the hotapps money Aug 12 18:25:36 depends what you mean by... money Aug 12 18:25:40 hahaha Aug 12 18:25:46 There's no final leaderboard, right? Aug 12 18:25:52 yes, there is Aug 12 18:25:56 DougReeder: its on the dev site Aug 12 18:26:52 mmmmhmmm, you did get a large chunk :) congrats Aug 12 18:26:53 Right, I was hoping for individual rankings -- whether I broke the top 50 or not. Aug 12 18:28:10 ahh.. ya i wish they had left the rankings up Aug 12 18:28:20 HattCzech_work: thanks Aug 12 18:28:20 You're welcome, codeslaw! Aug 12 18:28:33 [smiles] and whether I can claim to have "the best-selling task list manager" Aug 12 18:28:47 nope Aug 12 18:28:50 DougReeder: who would have been ahead of you Aug 12 18:28:53 you cant Aug 12 18:28:55 :) Aug 12 18:29:33 I will fight you DougReeder! Aug 12 18:29:49 Which one's yours? Aug 12 18:29:59 done Aug 12 18:30:11 Hey, you're getting some good press these days! Aug 12 18:30:31 it was a late entry in hotapps Aug 12 18:31:48 Of course, paper & pencil is still trouncing us all. Aug 12 18:32:13 f'in paper! Aug 12 18:32:28 So, it's like we're competing for the title of "best-selling word-processor of 1970" Aug 12 18:32:59 :) Aug 12 18:33:38 done has about 1500 installs Aug 12 18:34:51 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCEElQhM4ac&feature=youtube_gdata_player Aug 12 18:35:06 Quite possibly the worst scene ever Aug 12 18:47:57 hey guys i have a question Aug 12 18:48:05 so you can't modify your icon anymore? Aug 12 18:51:40 huh? Aug 12 18:52:25 what icon? Aug 12 18:52:46 icon?! Aug 12 18:58:19 MY ICON!? Aug 12 18:58:53 go to update your app in developer center Aug 12 19:07:25 maik: who says you get the icon? **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Aug 12 19:12:15 2010 Aug 12 19:16:29 flash has crashed for the last time Aug 12 19:16:31 installing CS5 now Aug 12 19:28:12 Finally cross compiler is ready and komodo is installed :) now time to learn Aug 12 19:28:40 * :) Aug 12 19:28:51 WAHOOO Aug 12 19:28:55 Hot apps payments! Aug 12 19:29:04 nice Aug 12 19:29:34 dekan Aug 12 19:29:42 dekan, say hi Aug 12 19:29:43 Can't talk, zombies! Aug 12 19:29:50 dekan, hot apps Aug 12 19:29:51 So's your face. Aug 12 19:30:03 dekan hot apps are like Aug 12 19:30:08 cheese Aug 12 19:30:16 back to work **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Aug 12 20:08:14 2010 Aug 12 20:09:28 that appears to be correct, yet I get 'maximum call stack exceede' Aug 12 20:09:29 w Aug 12 20:09:29 t Aug 12 20:09:29 * Anivrom|pre is sitting in an accident traffic jam Aug 12 20:09:29 f Aug 12 20:09:48 Mojo.Log fails on loops of object references Aug 12 20:10:14 use Mojo.Log.propertiesToString Aug 12 20:10:33 ... instead of %o or %j Aug 12 20:10:40 Any way to turn off that annoying palmframework line ref on the end of every log output? Aug 12 20:11:15 DougReeder: thanks will try Aug 12 20:11:22 Are you using palm-log, or reading /var/log/messages directly? Aug 12 20:11:27 the latter Aug 12 20:11:41 also /var/log/syslog, depending on distro Aug 12 20:11:44 Use palm-log -- it strips out the gunk Aug 12 20:11:50 Ares log viewer Aug 12 20:12:01 Wysiwyg? Aug 12 20:12:39 Thought there was a property I ould change in the log object Aug 12 20:14:17 I just added my shit back...easier that way Aug 12 20:16:17 * oil always tail -f /var/log/messages Aug 12 20:16:58 too linuxy Aug 12 20:17:13 * Anivrom|pre wishes internalz would let him save his game.js after editing Aug 12 20:17:20 too awesome-y Aug 12 20:17:43 How good is vi on pre? Aug 12 20:18:17 its... vi Aug 12 20:18:23 hard to use from terminal though Aug 12 20:18:26 Would imagine it would be painful Aug 12 20:18:41 That's what I meant Aug 12 20:18:43 the only thing ive ever used it for is creating test feed config xD Aug 12 20:18:48 How good to use on pre Aug 12 20:19:22 Cause I wanna edit some of my code but its bugged and won't let me save it Aug 12 20:19:48 It = internalz Aug 12 20:19:48 i mean Aug 12 20:19:52 its vi from the terminal Aug 12 20:19:55 it works Aug 12 20:20:00 but its not great by any means Aug 12 20:21:01 Any alternative text editors that can access the internal partition? Aug 12 20:21:12 solution Aug 12 20:21:15 stop developing from your pre Aug 12 20:21:16 lol Aug 12 20:21:44 Just little things throughout the day Aug 12 20:22:18 Internalz worked great for that until it stopped saving Aug 12 20:22:58 then use internalz to fix internalz :) Aug 12 20:23:43 You got an answer for everything eh Aug 12 20:23:58 lots of wrong ones too Aug 12 20:24:02 but answers nonetheless :) Aug 12 20:24:55 * DougReeder waves goodbye Aug 12 20:26:18 :P Aug 12 20:26:34 Cya doug Aug 12 20:28:39 hey Aug 12 20:28:45 how do i get on palm's featured app program? Aug 12 20:29:11 send them an email Aug 12 20:29:44 email who? chuq? Aug 12 20:30:18 ya, he'll forward it on to the marketting team Aug 12 20:31:03 chat up your app a bit, talk about why it would be a good candidate Aug 12 20:31:10 not a long winded review or anything though Aug 12 20:31:59 "check out my app, its awesome! you should feature it!" Aug 12 20:32:01 well, i have a TED speak about that app =P Aug 12 20:32:08 for 3 minutes Aug 12 20:34:08 Which app? Aug 12 20:34:17 Pickup Sports Aug 12 20:34:29 i have huge amount of request, which I do need to fix Aug 12 20:36:09 my led is stuck on Aug 12 20:36:19 time for a new phone Aug 12 20:36:48 I can't wait to get my app out the door. Taking so long. First app source should be burned once they are published Aug 12 21:07:40 Anivrom|pre: does it give you an error when it doesn't save? or just doesn't save? Aug 12 21:07:46 (in internalz) Aug 12 21:08:16 hi all Aug 12 21:08:27 does webos know the principle of webworkers ?? Aug 12 21:09:03 The menu stays up and the list down style stays and when I tap around it moves the cursor in app and I can even scroll my document but its afded and the meni is up the whole time Aug 12 21:10:03 question Aug 12 21:10:13 all the sound boards are free, are they copyrighted? Aug 12 21:10:19 same goes with pictures and stuff Aug 12 21:11:53 that does sound odd Aug 12 21:15:22 =| duno Aug 12 21:15:30 i m taking down everything that might violate copyrights Aug 12 21:15:55 lol Aug 12 21:16:05 =) Aug 12 21:16:10 making my auth system work for my work stuff sucks Aug 12 21:17:11 http://icons.mysitemyway.com/new-icons/ Aug 12 21:17:21 and i m only gona use icons from this site to assure of royalty free Aug 12 21:32:58 heh Aug 12 21:33:09 a name generator just spit out Iphope Aug 12 21:33:36 and it not a 'aimed' generator Aug 12 21:33:41 SimpsonTP: no webworkers Aug 12 21:33:42 yet Aug 12 21:33:44 just generating V c v c v Aug 12 21:33:56 sugardave, but ajax is asynchronus then ? Aug 12 21:34:01 yes Aug 12 21:35:05 freenode back to netsplittyness Aug 12 21:35:16 OK!!! segfaults are GONE! Aug 12 21:35:22 who wants to test this bane of an app? Aug 12 21:35:54 what is this app? Aug 12 21:36:04 sugardave, any nice samples for that ? Aug 12 21:36:08 music sequencer Aug 12 21:36:29 oh, you said that before :/ Aug 12 21:37:22 oh no, chanserv just split Aug 12 21:37:26 indeed Aug 12 21:37:31 that can't be good, haha Aug 12 21:37:45 but sure Aug 12 21:37:48 ill give er a go Aug 12 21:37:52 hey still, how do i change 64x64 icon now? Aug 12 21:37:56 wont be able to have sound till im out of work though Aug 12 21:37:57 is it that I can't change it now? =-| Aug 12 21:38:07 oilsworkn: you can tell me if it runs nicely Aug 12 21:38:20 http://www.codeslaw.net/beta_tb/com.codeslaw.songwave_0.9.0_all.ipk Aug 12 21:38:41 anyone else who is running 1.4.5 -- give it a run if you don't mind! Aug 12 21:38:49 * oilsworkn types that into preware xD Aug 12 21:39:14 I dont have a palm =( Aug 12 21:39:23 palm decided not to give me one =( Aug 12 21:39:32 ;( Aug 12 21:40:00 good god Aug 12 21:40:10 dekan: freenode sucks! Aug 12 21:40:32 for anyone who missed it Aug 12 21:40:34 http://www.codeslaw.net/beta_tb/com.codeslaw.songwave_0.9.0_all.ipk Aug 12 21:40:45 if you are running 1.4.5 give it a run if you don't mind Aug 12 21:40:53 looking to submit today or tomorrow Aug 12 21:41:14 DON'T PRESS "WATCH TUTORIAL" Aug 12 21:41:23 it just stalls, because i haven't filmed the tutorial yet Aug 12 21:41:45 damn, I should learn to read Aug 12 21:41:45 I could have won a keyboard Aug 12 21:41:49 Okay, codeslaw. Aug 12 21:41:49 so if i mute-toggle will it still make sound? Aug 12 21:42:00 freenode Aug 12 21:42:07 freenode Aug 12 21:42:15 sugardave: I was about to go for it, but I didn't want to change my account from protected. :/ Aug 12 21:42:35 did everyone who wanted to beta test see my download link, or did the netsplit fux it all up? Aug 12 21:42:49 sucks! Aug 12 21:42:49 sucks! Aug 12 21:42:56 haha Aug 12 21:43:15 dkirker: I didn't even know what was going on, I answered incorrectly, then answered, THEN saw the rules :D Aug 12 21:43:33 codeslaw: I got it just now Aug 12 21:43:41 sugardave: hehe Aug 12 21:44:22 http://palmhotapps.net/fastmovers.jsp Aug 12 21:44:29 instructions, since the tutorial isn't up yet:: Forward/Back gesture switches between track view and grid view. Select each track. Two finger dragging modifies the tempo Aug 12 21:45:21 ooops, I broke it Aug 12 21:45:27 I tried to watch tutorial Aug 12 21:45:31 ya just restart Aug 12 21:45:33 * sugardave sucks at following directions. Aug 12 21:45:39 codeslaw: I like your splash page. The BPM feedback is pretty cool too. Aug 12 21:45:44 that button does nothing but lock the buttons... need to upload a vid to youtube Aug 12 21:45:51 Robdor: better than last tempo control? Aug 12 21:46:11 Yes, it's much more user friendly. Aug 12 21:46:17 cool Aug 12 21:46:23 sugardave: how could you have won a keyboard? Aug 12 21:47:12 mr sood is doing twitter giveaways Aug 12 21:47:15 or he was Aug 12 21:47:30 oh, you gotta be one of those twits? Aug 12 21:47:34 mr sood? Aug 12 21:47:42 codeslaw: this is cool Aug 12 21:47:48 oilsworkn: join twitter! :D Aug 12 21:47:57 sometimes it doesn't want to read my tap, though Aug 12 21:47:59 glad you like Aug 12 21:48:18 quick taps? or drags? Aug 12 21:48:19 bah Aug 12 21:48:26 * oilsworkn will never sign up for twitter or facebook Aug 12 21:48:39 Facebook is icky Aug 12 21:48:45 but useful sometimes... Aug 12 21:49:05 quick taps Aug 12 21:49:13 hhmm, i'll check it out Aug 12 21:49:13 useful for what? farmville? Aug 12 21:49:19 My app was just rejected from the beta feeds because I'm an idiot. Do I need to change the version number or anything when repackaging? Aug 12 21:49:30 Robdor: yes... its stupid Aug 12 21:49:33 lol Aug 12 21:49:47 * oilsworkn hopes the error message actually says "you idiot!" Aug 12 21:50:00 It should be. I forgot to strip the debugging symbols out of the executable... Aug 12 21:50:05 * oilsworkn adds such an error to preware Aug 12 21:50:37 lulz Aug 12 21:50:42 codeslaw: might give a way to quickly blow away the sequence on one track or the other Aug 12 21:51:00 clear it out? Aug 12 21:51:29 yeah Aug 12 21:52:14 codeslaw: pretty nice app Aug 12 21:52:23 i've thought about it.. not sure of a gesture i could use, maybe a key press though Aug 12 21:52:33 even though my dream UI for this app involves no keys Aug 12 21:52:36 i'll have to think about it Aug 12 21:52:46 HattCzech_work: thanks Aug 12 21:52:47 You're welcome, codeslaw! Aug 12 21:52:56 dekan shutup Aug 12 21:53:22 dekan: shut up Yes sir, sorry sir.. Aug 12 21:53:23 Okay, codeslaw. Aug 12 22:04:17 Hey all Aug 12 22:05:31 yo Aug 12 22:05:35 sup? Aug 12 22:05:36 Arg Aug 12 22:05:37 brb Aug 12 22:05:49 kesne: ever figure out how to search a string? Aug 12 22:05:50 oops Aug 12 22:05:53 lol Aug 12 22:06:02 he only figured it out if you told him how Aug 12 22:06:10 xD Aug 12 22:06:14 I told him, but I told him wrong :D Aug 12 22:06:22 how evil Aug 12 22:06:24 who knew .search() doesn't accept /g Aug 12 22:06:25 ? Aug 12 22:06:28 not me Aug 12 22:06:28 said the bee Aug 12 22:06:37 * sugardave eyeballs dekan. Aug 12 22:07:04 oookkkkay Aug 12 22:07:11 auth system has moved to node Aug 12 22:07:28 because its much easier Aug 12 22:07:33 and I'm lazy Aug 12 22:07:38 halfhalo_class: use small words and tell me what this is for again Aug 12 22:07:45 And I can do REST Aug 12 22:07:52 and eventually it will work with mojo and you'll be able to use it on device? Aug 12 22:08:10 Its basically an all ecompasing login/preference system I'm making for my apps Aug 12 22:08:29 how many apps you got? Aug 12 22:08:39 Thats not important Aug 12 22:08:41 :p Aug 12 22:08:45 lol Aug 12 22:08:47 I see....so unified login to your apps Aug 12 22:08:52 based on..... Aug 12 22:08:56 usename/password? Aug 12 22:09:19 Only for login. Then a unique session hash and app hash combi Aug 12 22:09:21 combo Aug 12 22:09:41 and the app I'm rolling it out with is going to be the send link to phone app Aug 12 22:09:48 so, still need to log in with user/pass once for each app? Aug 12 22:10:06 for right now, yes Aug 12 22:10:10 k Aug 12 22:10:45 Blarg Aug 12 22:10:49 kesne: ever figure out how to search a string? Aug 12 22:10:52 WebOS Emu Fails to run Aug 12 22:10:59 sugardave: No sir Aug 12 22:11:04 that's cuz it ain't got legs Aug 12 22:11:22 thats cuz you didn't tell kesne exactly how to do it Aug 12 22:11:25 with code examples Aug 12 22:11:29 My current idea on how to do it is to split it, run it through a loop, and search for part of something Aug 12 22:11:46 and the preferences store has three levels of security right now. Public (all apps can ask for it), Private(only the app that set it can access it), and Privater(only app that made it can access it, and only if the field is called specifically) Aug 12 22:11:52 it would help immensely if we knew what you were trying to accomplish as the end result Aug 12 22:12:19 halfhalo_class: that sounds pretty nice Aug 12 22:12:23 its something super secret his "team" is working on :) Aug 12 22:12:27 halfhalo_class: For your public dev services? Aug 12 22:12:30 oh, and messages can be send through it Aug 12 22:12:31 sugardave: Top sekrit Aug 12 22:12:44 kesne: well, you're screwed Aug 12 22:12:47 kesne: http://www.codeslaw.net/beta_tb/com.codeslaw.songwave_0.9.0_all.ipk Aug 12 22:12:58 Its OS, so you could run your own server or just talk to the one I am going to run Aug 12 22:13:17 codeslaw: can you email it to me? Aug 12 22:13:23 wtf Aug 12 22:13:24 most certainly not Aug 12 22:13:25 ? Aug 12 22:13:31 lol Aug 12 22:14:10 basically, to access data you would use this for a get: /GetPreference?uh=userhash?f=field?a=apphash Aug 12 22:14:43 and returns json Aug 12 22:15:07 kesne: email addy? Aug 12 22:15:16 dont give in to his lazyness Aug 12 22:15:18 stand firm! Aug 12 22:15:35 kesne's email: icantuseinternetproperly@gmail.com Aug 12 22:15:57 lol Aug 12 22:16:07 :'( Aug 12 22:16:24 dont cry Aug 12 22:16:40 you might get wet spots on your white pants that would attract all sorts of dust and dirt Aug 12 22:16:43 leaving a brown spot Aug 12 22:17:01 lol Aug 12 22:17:03 odd .. i just installed hte sdk and it says to start the palm emulator .. dont see that anywhere Aug 12 22:17:40 hello all Aug 12 22:17:48 where is the emulator installed ? Aug 12 22:17:50 here's my team: "Freeman Holdings is a one-man powerhouse, capable of distilling complex requirements into a focused solution." Aug 12 22:18:08 acidjazz: run: palm-emulator Aug 12 22:19:33 damn, elance won't show reviews from private jobs...that's weird Aug 12 22:20:00 1.4.5 is out? Aug 12 22:20:05 just got the update notice Aug 12 22:20:10 hemna_: yeah Aug 12 22:20:17 rokkin Aug 12 22:21:08 sugardave: C:\Users\kolson>palm-emulator Aug 12 22:21:08 'palm-emulator' is not recognized as an internal or external command, Aug 12 22:21:12 operable program or batch file. Aug 12 22:21:12 palm-package: invalid value for property "type" Aug 12 22:21:16 when i do pdk Aug 12 22:21:45 acidjazz: sounds like your path isn't set properly Aug 12 22:22:01 hmm, i generated a new file Aug 12 22:22:05 my PATH is C:\Program Files (x86)\Java\jre6\bin;C:\Program Files (x86)\Palm\SDK\bin\novacom;C:\Program Files (x86)\Palm\SDK\bin;C:\Program Files (x86)\Palm\SDK\bin\novacom;C:\Program Files (x86)\Palm\SDK\bin;C:\Program Files (x86)\Palm\SDK\bin\novacom;C:\Program Files (x86)\Palm\PDK\bin Aug 12 22:22:19 hmmm Aug 12 22:22:30 i only need to copy over the exe file, right? Aug 12 22:22:35 search for palm-emulator.bat or palm-emulator.cmd Aug 12 22:22:46 i know where those are Aug 12 22:22:53 hmm Aug 12 22:23:08 java didnt put itself in my path either Aug 12 22:23:13 is yout java working? Aug 12 22:23:15 ah Aug 12 22:23:37 Unable to access jarfile C:\Program Files (x86)\Palm\SDK\bin\\..\share\jars\webo Aug 12 22:23:38 s-emulator.jar Aug 12 22:23:41 lol Aug 12 22:23:45 where is that specified? Aug 12 22:24:20 unkown...I haven't had to debug anything related to running the emu before :D Aug 12 22:24:21 there is no emulator link on your desktop after installing sdk? Aug 12 22:24:42 no no emulator link Aug 12 22:24:56 * oilsworkn always gets those when he installs emu Aug 12 22:24:58 er, sdk Aug 12 22:25:04 oh there is now Aug 12 22:25:05 you got virtualbox and all that? Aug 12 22:25:06 and it doesnt work Aug 12 22:25:07 yea Aug 12 22:25:10 installed java Aug 12 22:25:11 then virtualbox Aug 12 22:25:24 its a shortcut to "C:\Program Files (x86)\Palm\SDK\bin\palm-emulator.bat" Aug 12 22:25:26 when you click it it should come up with a list of versions&resolutions Aug 12 22:25:30 which is correct Aug 12 22:25:31 but Aug 12 22:25:42 now i get unable to access jar file Aug 12 22:25:50 * oilsworkn has no clue Aug 12 22:26:22 where is the share location specified Aug 12 22:26:28 i bet lemketron_ would know :) Aug 12 22:26:43 anybody familiar with opengl es 1 development? Aug 12 22:26:46 acidjazz: no idea, but probably set in that palm-emulator script Aug 12 22:27:24 how do i make this pdk app? =( Aug 12 22:27:42 i can't seem to palm-package Aug 12 22:27:43 I tried to get a simple gles1 app to run on the device that just displays a solid background color, but all I get on the screen is random noise pixels. Runs fine on windows. Does anybody know what might cause this? Aug 12 22:28:01 where is anivrom? Aug 12 22:28:09 canada Aug 12 22:28:22 huh. Aug 12 22:28:25 lol Aug 12 22:28:27 I've never thought of drinking my own breast milk Aug 12 22:28:39 you have breast milk? Aug 12 22:28:42 mainly because I'm not properly equipped for that Aug 12 22:28:45 * oilsworkn thought torchie was a dude Aug 12 22:28:51 schlumpfi: Can you show us your code? Aug 12 22:28:58 do the ladies drink their own breast milk Aug 12 22:29:04 behind our backs Aug 12 22:29:05 rule 34? Aug 12 22:29:06 please do NOT post any links to male lactation Aug 12 22:29:07 thanks Aug 12 22:29:08 You're welcome, sugardave! Aug 12 22:29:14 I just Aug 12 22:29:17 never thought of it Aug 12 22:29:22 Robdor: do the relevant pieces suffice? I've commented almost everything out in my code Aug 12 22:29:23 wahtever you do, dont google it Aug 12 22:29:27 what has been seen cannot be unseen Aug 12 22:29:29 remember that Aug 12 22:29:31 yeah, bad idea Aug 12 22:29:33 never EVER Aug 12 22:29:36 google male lactation Aug 12 22:29:43 schlumpfi: Let's take a look and we'll see. :) Aug 12 22:29:43 * oilsworkn doesnt Aug 12 22:29:45 it just sounds like the one thing you don't google Aug 12 22:29:45 work internets Aug 12 22:30:04 So basically I only call glClearColor(255, 0, 0, 1.0f); and then glClear(GL_COLOR_BUFFER_BIT); Aug 12 22:30:06 type male[space] Aug 12 22:30:16 and see what search assist thing shows xD **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Aug 12 22:30:20 2010 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Aug 12 22:56:14 2010 Aug 12 22:56:44 welcome back nslu2-log! Aug 12 23:00:22 yayyyy Aug 12 23:00:58 Can Preware now update a theme without first uninstalling it then reinstalling it? Aug 12 23:01:15 the update is a remove/install Aug 12 23:01:19 it does it in the background Aug 12 23:01:33 but you can't switch themes without first removing the current and then installing the new Aug 12 23:02:20 oilsworkn, okay, that makes sense. I have typically avoided updating themes. I didn't read the release notes to see that theme update does the remove/install process now. Aug 12 23:02:23 oil, thanks Aug 12 23:02:41 its been that way for a while :) Aug 12 23:03:23 oilsworkn, I have been using SE Mirror for sometime and it doesn't get updated much now. Aug 12 23:03:48 SE Mirror? Aug 12 23:03:55 oh, theme? Aug 12 23:03:57 ah Aug 12 23:04:00 hmm why wont palm-install see my palm pre Aug 12 23:04:09 does it ned to be a usb drive? or just charge? Aug 12 23:04:13 charge Aug 12 23:04:18 oilsworkn, yea a theme. Its a blue theme with an extensive set of icons and scrimms Aug 12 23:04:18 charging Aug 12 23:04:24 no devices found still Aug 12 23:04:25 hmm Aug 12 23:04:31 anythin gi need to do to the phone? Aug 12 23:04:37 dev mode Aug 12 23:04:41 how do i do that Aug 12 23:05:02 just start typing the konami code Aug 12 23:05:08 lol Aug 12 23:05:13 for real Aug 12 23:05:29 when you finish typing start, you'll get a dev mode enabler popup Aug 12 23:06:11 so... srsly Aug 12 23:06:17 I am serious Aug 12 23:06:22 there arent even arrow keys man Aug 12 23:06:26 upupdowndown Aug 12 23:06:28 upupdowndownleftrightleftrightbastart Aug 12 23:06:30 leftrightleftright Aug 12 23:06:31 bastart Aug 12 23:06:33 like that Aug 12 23:06:39 and the devmode app will appear in universal search Aug 12 23:06:45 LIKE MAGIC Aug 12 23:06:46 !! Aug 12 23:06:49 then you can open it and toggle it to enable Aug 12 23:06:52 itl need a reboot though Aug 12 23:07:05 aack, need S/N to download new Doctor but I can't turn off my phone now. Aug 12 23:07:14 thats not even the konami code Aug 12 23:07:17 its abselectstart Aug 12 23:07:17 can't you get it from the info app? Aug 12 23:07:30 well, that's what they told me it was called Aug 12 23:07:34 its close enough! Aug 12 23:07:37 so its supposed to just reocngize this device eh.. Aug 12 23:07:40 maybe ill try another usb port Aug 12 23:07:44 no Aug 12 23:07:48 it will once you enable dev mode Aug 12 23:07:59 the tutorial nor does hte faq say anything about a dev mode Aug 12 23:08:04 unless usb drive doesn't work either Aug 12 23:08:07 vrge Aug 12 23:09:25 * sugardave tries for another keyboard. Aug 12 23:09:33 webos06062009 is easier Aug 12 23:09:51 oh yeah, that one too Aug 12 23:09:53 lolll u guys are right i cant beleive that Aug 12 23:10:05 wtf? Aug 12 23:10:13 of course we're right Aug 12 23:10:16 Something is creepy about seeing the Oracle logo pop up on Java splash screens. Aug 12 23:10:21 :) Aug 12 23:11:10 no offense i was feeling 100% trolled Aug 12 23:11:15 haha Aug 12 23:11:17 Preware correctly updated my theme. That makes life a little easier. Aug 12 23:11:19 * oilsworkn never trolls Aug 12 23:11:27 unless your nick is kesne Aug 12 23:11:32 * sugardave only trolls a little bit. Aug 12 23:11:33 what? Aug 12 23:11:39 then you get troll'd Aug 12 23:11:40 * Mousey only trolls trolls Aug 12 23:11:45 I troll Aug 12 23:11:51 I also get trolled Aug 12 23:11:57 by oilsworkn Aug 12 23:12:00 your team gets trolled too? Aug 12 23:12:02 xD Aug 12 23:12:03 i dont troll, im just not always watching the channel :p Aug 12 23:12:17 kesne means troll in german Aug 12 23:12:22 haha Aug 12 23:12:29 * oilsworkn waits for more white pants pictures Aug 12 23:12:42 haha Aug 12 23:12:46 there is only one picture Aug 12 23:13:02 lol Aug 12 23:13:02 damn, I guess my twitter is 2 minutes behind other people Aug 12 23:13:25 you have your own twitter? Aug 12 23:13:33 I mean, I answered that shit in less than 15 seconds Aug 12 23:13:38 and somebody beat me by 2 minutes Aug 12 23:15:54 anybody wana help me testing whether my app works? =D Aug 12 23:16:06 my first pdk app, simple Aug 12 23:16:11 just wana see if it works =( Aug 12 23:16:37 if its the simple example included in the sdk then I guess it works :) Aug 12 23:16:44 oh i see...people are camping the page, I'm relying on my stream Aug 12 23:16:49 yah, but i wana make sure =( Aug 12 23:17:09 do you have a pre? Aug 12 23:17:15 nope =*( Aug 12 23:17:20 time to get one, winner Aug 12 23:17:28 lol, I will Aug 12 23:17:29 =) Aug 12 23:17:41 http://gawker.com/5609862/jetblue-does-not-find-jokes-about-its-cranky-flight-attendant-funny loll Aug 12 23:17:41 just waiting for my contract to be over in november Aug 12 23:17:50 just buy one, jeez Aug 12 23:17:52 so can anybody help me to test my app? Aug 12 23:18:38 3 months of not having to beg people to test your app has got to be worth something Aug 12 23:20:08 =| Aug 12 23:20:38 plz =D Aug 12 23:22:03 its a quick one =) Aug 12 23:26:36 anybody here? =( Aug 12 23:27:09 have you uploaded it anywhere? Aug 12 23:28:34 https://sites.google.com/site/nyceane2/test.ipk Aug 12 23:29:46 hm yeah that won't work, there's an exe file in that Aug 12 23:30:06 you'll have to compile it for the pre not for windows Aug 12 23:30:12 oh Aug 12 23:30:36 try out the "simple" example that comes with the pdk and check out the build scripts for that app Aug 12 23:31:36 * rwhitby puts a trojan into an ipk and puts it up on a random web site ... Aug 12 23:31:38 arm-none-linux-gnueabi-gcc -o simple simple.cpp "-I..\..\..\..\include" "-I..\..\..\..\include\SDL" "-L..\..\..\..\device\lib" -Wl,--allow-shlib-undefined -lSDL -lGLESv2 -lpdl Aug 12 23:31:41 this line? Aug 12 23:32:01 just saying - installing random stuff from random people on the internet is not a wise thing to do ... Aug 12 23:32:11 didn't install anything Aug 12 23:32:20 @Nyceane: yes Aug 12 23:34:13 cause assuming that you're using palm-install to test that ipk, I could write a trojan in a PDK ipk which would steal all the data on your device, and then wipe your device, and then cause the palm backup to run. Just sayin ... Aug 12 23:34:46 rwhitby: pretend I don't know anything about C/C++ (which I don't)...could I take Nyceane's .ipk, get the source like I normally would, and be able to learn some stuff by modifying code, etc...and then be able to re-compile it on my linux box somehow? Aug 12 23:35:05 there's no source code included Aug 12 23:35:10 bummer Aug 12 23:35:21 Mojo spoils me that way, I guess Aug 12 23:35:29 sugardave: good quesiton, waiting for an answer Aug 12 23:35:51 it would have to resort to de-compiling or whatever the process is Aug 12 23:36:18 or you could just use one of the many sample apps from Palm ;) Aug 12 23:36:25 okay Aug 12 23:36:31 but my problem is that I can't install the PDK Aug 12 23:36:55 so, I don't know what I need to do to get the "right stuff" for my linux box Aug 12 23:37:16 because, as I said, I know jack shit about C and libraries, and header files, etc... Aug 12 23:37:28 kesne: yes Aug 12 23:37:36 haeffb: wut Aug 12 23:37:40 cupcakes Aug 12 23:37:51 oh Aug 12 23:37:52 right Aug 12 23:37:52 do that i did Aug 12 23:37:56 Nice, I like it Aug 12 23:38:05 but I would recommend depot instead Aug 12 23:38:21 sugardave: the answer to your question is no. but, look at the Palm sample apps in github instead. Aug 12 23:38:54 once again, stricken by the lack of decent node db connectors Aug 12 23:39:21 rwhitby: should I just be able to compile them somehow if I get the right packages on my machine? Aug 12 23:40:15 have I mentiond how much nicer it is to have fiber than EVDO? Aug 12 23:42:33 schlumpfi, are you still here? Aug 12 23:43:02 sigh =| Aug 12 23:44:22 haeffb: Why depot? Aug 12 23:44:58 depot is same effort as cupcakes and does (I assume) some error checking that cupcakes do not Aug 12 23:45:15 Why does error checking matter? Aug 12 23:45:15 I have an example on 101 for using depot for app prefs that works well. Aug 12 23:45:46 anybody else wana test my first pdk simple app? =) Aug 12 23:45:52 meeee Aug 12 23:45:58 yay!! Aug 12 23:46:37 kesne Aug 12 23:46:37 https://sites.google.com/site/nyceane2/test.ipk Aug 12 23:46:39 fork. Simplenote is changing their api just as I'm ready to go with my app. Aug 12 23:46:49 hah Aug 12 23:47:07 thoughtless basterds Aug 12 23:47:26 haha Aug 12 23:51:38 sugardave: if you get the right source code, yes. Aug 12 23:52:24 rwhitby: okay, so I just need to find out what PDK expects, try to get those things running here, then find some good github projects and I should be good to start gouging my eyes out? Aug 12 23:52:28 thanks! Aug 12 23:52:28 You're welcome, sugardave! Aug 12 23:52:41 sugardave: yep Aug 12 23:53:09 sugardave: I'll gouge your eyes out for you and save you the trouble of all that PDK mess... Aug 12 23:53:18 haeffb: Is depot faster? Aug 12 23:53:24 just one of the many services we offer Aug 12 23:53:33 haeffb: thanks! Aug 12 23:53:34 You're welcome, sugardave! Aug 12 23:53:53 kesne: probably about the same..they're both still using SQLite database Aug 12 23:54:28 dekan: thanks! Aug 12 23:54:28 You're welcome, haeffb! Aug 12 23:55:15 haeffb: Is there any advantage to cupcakes or depot? Is one easier? Aug 12 23:56:19 [18:44] depot is same effort as cupcakes and does (I assume) some error checking that cupcakesdo not Aug 12 23:56:46 thats it? Aug 12 23:59:20 what are some other tempaltes available besides hello_app ? Aug 13 00:00:35 dawm_: Get in here Aug 13 00:00:44 who died? Aug 13 00:01:03 * halfhalo-final has decided to go to plan b for testing his authserver Aug 13 00:05:14 acidjazz: there is probably a bunch of stuff on github Aug 13 00:05:26 there are some things in the dev forum, I think Aug 13 00:05:47 you can poke through the source of the phone apps Aug 13 00:05:56 take a tour through style matters and mojo matters Aug 13 00:06:10 dekan: webos101 Aug 13 00:06:11 webos101 is http://webos101.com Aug 13 00:20:09 hey Anivrom{devMode}, hear the one about the two guys who walked into a bar? Aug 13 00:20:28 third one ducked? Aug 13 00:20:56 dekan: rimshot Aug 13 00:20:56 rimshot is http://instantrimshot.com/classic/?sound=rimshot Aug 13 00:21:21 was that the answer? Aug 13 00:21:23 :P Aug 13 00:21:26 Cause I tell that joke Aug 13 00:21:38 3 blind guys walk into a bar Aug 13 00:21:44 anybody wana test my application? =D Aug 13 00:21:47 one last call =D Aug 13 00:21:47 me Aug 13 00:21:49 me Aug 13 00:21:52 oh me Aug 13 00:21:52 thanks =D Aug 13 00:21:54 please Aug 13 00:21:55 pick me Aug 13 00:21:56 one sec Aug 13 00:21:59 ah geez Aug 13 00:22:05 I pick you Anivrom Aug 13 00:22:08 YAY Aug 13 00:22:23 its a testing app, not ready to release yet, just testing PDK Aug 13 00:22:27 np Aug 13 00:23:08 * Anivrom{devMode} wonders what he was thinking/what time it was when he wrote the code he is "fixing" Aug 13 00:24:23 * haeffb was just trying to get you out of {devMode Aug 13 00:24:24 } Aug 13 00:24:42 AH FFS Aug 13 00:24:52 haha: http://www.collegehumor.com/article:1802364 Aug 13 00:25:29 LMFAO!!!!!! Aug 13 00:25:46 =D Aug 13 00:27:45 did it run? Aug 13 00:30:41 sorry was reading sugardave's hilarious post Aug 13 00:30:42 Hey all Aug 13 00:31:12 sugardave: right for the third consecutive day. that *was* haha Aug 13 00:31:15 hi kesne =) Aug 13 00:31:22 Anivrom, did it run? =D Aug 13 00:31:24 Anivrom|ircMode! Aug 13 00:31:36 Hey Nyceane Aug 13 00:31:39 hola señior Aug 13 00:31:48 hi kesne, welcome back =D Aug 13 00:31:52 que pasa? Aug 13 00:31:58 bien Aug 13 00:32:24 It runs but is it as "demo" as it looks? Aug 13 00:32:40 its so ... proof-of-concept----ish Aug 13 00:32:51 but a good start Nyceane Aug 13 00:33:42 sugardave: app published? Aug 13 00:36:20 Why the hell would I want "HOOK 'EM" to scroll across my....oh, wait. The horns will play Kansas every year. Sweet. Aug 13 00:37:43 i need like a palm app css cheatsheet Aug 13 00:37:50 all the looks and feels of apps and their css elements/examples Aug 13 00:37:51 that exist? Aug 13 00:38:06 i guess thats in stylematters? Aug 13 00:38:33 yep Aug 13 00:38:44 also look at the actual CSS files in the SDK Aug 13 00:39:38 Anivrom|ircMode, are you still here? Aug 13 00:40:39 no Aug 13 00:42:20 ho snap Aug 13 00:42:21 son Aug 13 00:42:35 wait. wut? Aug 13 00:42:44 hi lol Aug 13 00:42:52 my wife. was using her account at the inlaws Aug 13 00:42:57 so I changed nicks Aug 13 00:43:03 oh ha Aug 13 00:43:10 yeah, im secretly NOT anivrom >_> Aug 13 00:43:38 who let you out of the kitched?? Aug 13 00:43:40 o i c Aug 13 00:43:43 OR THE KITCHEN Aug 13 00:43:45 anivrom, i made some updates, i was wondering if you can check it out again =( Aug 13 00:43:49 sure Aug 13 00:45:11 * Anivrom{devMode} will have Tron (1982) in 1 1/2 hours Aug 13 00:45:51 nice =D Aug 13 00:45:57 wont open Nyceane Aug 13 00:46:05 icon glows and then stops glowing Aug 13 00:46:12 =( Aug 13 00:46:55 let me try again Aug 13 00:49:48 hey Anivrom, can you set both pixi and pre on that simple file? Aug 13 00:49:54 to 1 that is Aug 13 00:49:55 huh Aug 13 00:50:01 on buildit.cmd Aug 13 00:50:06 Wouldnt know how Aug 13 00:50:24 I can't really test it that deep atm Aug 13 00:50:36 <--- devMode Aug 13 00:53:35 ok =D Aug 13 00:53:43 i'll wait until you get to IRC mode =D Aug 13 00:53:55 next week? :P Aug 13 00:54:05 hmm, can you do it one more time? +D Aug 13 00:54:10 sure Aug 13 00:54:13 I just made changes and think it would work this time Aug 13 00:54:16 just can't get into editing the filesystem Aug 13 00:54:53 i m just gona have a 3D soundboard =) Aug 13 00:55:11 its not working Aug 13 00:55:29 maybe its an install issue Aug 13 00:55:35 =( Aug 13 00:55:40 did you uninstall it Aug 13 00:55:52 no Aug 13 00:56:01 can you try uninstall, reinstall? Aug 13 00:57:03 that works Aug 13 00:57:08 no glittering though Aug 13 00:57:13 yah i removed it Aug 13 00:57:20 thought it was causing problem Aug 13 00:57:27 oh lemme try 2nd test Aug 13 00:58:35 no glittering in 2nd test you gave me Aug 13 00:58:37 hi all! Aug 13 00:58:39 =( Aug 13 00:58:45 hi JenP! its been a while! Aug 13 00:58:48 hey jen Aug 13 00:58:56 yes it has! how are you? Aug 13 00:59:01 hi Anivrom{devMode} Aug 13 00:59:33 haeffb: no the damn app is still not published....Dieter said he'd "try" to get to it tonight Aug 13 00:59:37 hi JenP Aug 13 00:59:47 sugardave!!!! hi! Aug 13 01:01:21 wooooooooooooo need for speed on my pixi! :D Aug 13 01:01:30 JenP: what are you working on these days? Aug 13 01:01:39 lol i cant believe this is mojo and prototype Aug 13 01:01:43 moving! Aug 13 01:01:56 I hate moving Aug 13 01:01:57 yuck Aug 13 01:02:00 me too! Aug 13 01:02:13 but it will be over by the end of the month Aug 13 01:02:20 and i can get back to app writing.... Aug 13 01:02:22 JenP: out of state or just a new house? Aug 13 01:02:31 I .// my wrists when I even think about me eventually moving out of this apt Aug 13 01:02:36 does mojo/proto/webos have any type of debug functionality so ic an look at an entire object? Aug 13 01:02:37 moving :( Aug 13 01:02:41 * Anivrom{devMode} slashes wrists after thinking about it Aug 13 01:02:42 just new apartment...daughter's moved back home...need more space Aug 13 01:02:49 ah Aug 13 01:02:58 acidjazz: one moment Aug 13 01:03:03 :) Aug 13 01:03:11 something like JSON.stringify is hot Aug 13 01:03:18 i throw it in a div w/ it all formatted Aug 13 01:03:25 sugardave what have you been up to? Aug 13 01:03:25 I live in a house Aug 13 01:03:41 lets all bow to kesnes greatness Aug 13 01:03:45 kesne_pre...you live in your parents house Aug 13 01:03:54 acidjazz: http://webos.pastebin.com/LKNtim5z Aug 13 01:04:09 my debug methods I use to print to /var/log/messages Aug 13 01:04:33 JenP: a couple of contracts, a new app request from some random user, testing, etc. Aug 13 01:04:34 like what if i just assigned an id an object Aug 13 01:04:34 in a view Aug 13 01:04:36 I never said I live in MY house. Aug 13 01:04:37 My parents have a nice house though. Aug 13 01:04:41 or you can just connect your pre to usb and log into the online ares standalone debugger Aug 13 01:04:46 acidjazz: you can do that to Aug 13 01:04:46 this.controller.get("debug").update(response); Aug 13 01:04:51 Object.toJSON(ibject) Aug 13 01:04:54 will it just say [Object] ? Aug 13 01:04:59 oh i can do Object.toJSON? Aug 13 01:05:00 rad Aug 13 01:05:19 Anivrom{devMode}: hush, the real devs are talking Aug 13 01:05:21 nice lil tool sugardave Aug 13 01:06:12 acidjazz: if you want visual debugging with breakpoints and such, http://ares.palm.com/AresDebug/ Aug 13 01:06:17 dont need to upload your project Aug 13 01:06:19 it just connects Aug 13 01:06:32 or something like that Aug 13 01:06:35 Don't really know :P Aug 13 01:06:36 * sugardave programs with tiny magnets. Aug 13 01:06:47 hmm, how do i call C:\Program Files\CodeSourcery\Sourcery G++ Lite\arm-none-linux-gnueabi\bin\strip.exe Aug 13 01:06:49 * Anivrom{devMode} programs with cards. Aug 13 01:06:57 lets seee.. punch here,... here... Aug 13 01:07:00 woops Aug 13 01:07:17
object goes here
Aug 13 01:07:35 this.controller.get('debug').update(Object.toJSON(object)); Aug 13 01:08:11 so i have that line .. and i tried something like http://webos.pastebin.com/2pdG3nit Aug 13 01:08:13 * sugardave submerges for a bit. Aug 13 01:08:24 yea exactly sugardave Aug 13 01:08:40 im ugessing in my onSuccess handler my this. is out of context now? Aug 13 01:08:52 maybe var self = this ? Aug 13 01:09:23 looks like my mortgage,insurance and taxes are gonna come out to $593/month .. not too shabby Aug 13 01:09:29 yup thats it Aug 13 01:09:57 dawm|laptop: my rent is $2K Aug 13 01:10:16 that sux Aug 13 01:10:23 610 for bachelor here. Aug 13 01:10:31 lol actually I was pretty happy with the price Aug 13 01:11:03 back when i lived in WI, i had a 3 bedroom, 2 underground parking spots for $768/m Aug 13 01:11:29 but here in MI, its actually cheaper to buy a house (if you can) than to rent an apartment Aug 13 01:11:34 wow i've never paid anything under $1K....ever Aug 13 01:11:52 anybody have experience with strip executable? Aug 13 01:12:47 nvm figured out Aug 13 01:17:46 Anivrom{devMode}: rad Aug 13 01:18:40 Anivrom{devMode}: still on track? Aug 13 01:18:56 might be sunday or possibly monday night Aug 13 01:18:59 not sure yet Aug 13 01:19:03 god... traffic Aug 13 01:19:35 and wirc reset itself again... Aug 13 01:20:03 loll http://news.cnet.com/8301-30684_3-20013546-265.html Aug 13 01:20:09 if I die I blame oil Aug 13 01:20:14 Okay. So end of next week. Got it. Aug 13 01:20:34 its not my fault! Aug 13 01:21:35 never said it was, I just said to blqme you Aug 13 01:22:13 with a q Aug 13 01:23:10 someone make me a node mysql module Aug 13 01:23:31 Blqming people isn't cool halfhalo_pre. Aug 13 01:24:38 neither is muuurder but that's never stopped me Aug 13 01:25:27 have any of you built a pdk app yet? Aug 13 01:25:29 =| Aug 13 01:25:34 whats pdk Aug 13 01:25:35 Oh man, you muuurderer! Aug 13 01:25:36 no Aug 13 01:25:52 damn straight Aug 13 01:26:00 this thing is not straight forward at all Aug 13 01:26:15 +1 Aug 13 01:27:03 plusmonkey Aug 13 01:27:42 I want my car back pwease. driving with my mothe scares me. as in I have almost died twice Aug 13 01:28:01 i guess i should have this webos dev env in ubuntu Aug 13 01:28:04 on a vmware image Aug 13 01:28:09 so i cna just throw the image on a usb stick Aug 13 01:28:15 bag, ubuntu Aug 13 01:28:16 instead of installing 20 things on each of my machinse Aug 13 01:28:20 acidjazz: did you get your logging working? Aug 13 01:28:24 i did sugardave thanks Aug 13 01:28:27 np Aug 13 01:28:29 oh here Aug 13 01:28:30 bah, not bag retarted autocorrect Aug 13 01:28:45 sugardave: http://webos.pastebin.com/2pdG3nit Aug 13 01:28:55 sugardave: that didnt work cuz this.controller.get was out of context Aug 13 01:29:05 sugardave: 'this' was .. so i did var self = this at the top .. is there a better solution? Aug 13 01:29:08 like jquery has a .proxy() Aug 13 01:30:03 acidjazz: like this: http://webos.pastebin.com/8gCiuQPY Aug 13 01:30:14 oh wait Aug 13 01:30:36 like this" http://webos.pastebin.com/CmGnhUwt Aug 13 01:31:23 god... stupid volvo and fancy display telling me a bulb is dead Aug 13 01:32:14 ah gotta love the fancy displayed Aug 13 01:32:17 this car needs to be taken out back and show Aug 13 01:32:27 shot Aug 13 01:33:07 lol Aug 13 01:33:14 ah! .bind Aug 13 01:33:17 JenP! Aug 13 01:33:19 i forgot prototype :) Aug 13 01:33:29 haeffb!!! Aug 13 01:33:32 don't forget prototype Aug 13 01:33:35 I miss you! Aug 13 01:33:36 it's important :D Aug 13 01:33:38 omglollmno Aug 13 01:33:40 what's trippin!?! Aug 13 01:33:43 <3 prototype Aug 13 01:33:48 prototype my ass Aug 13 01:33:58 * sugardave protototypes halfhalo_pre's ass. Aug 13 01:34:02 ooops Aug 13 01:34:02 prototype && Prototype Aug 13 01:34:02 if you can't do it in asm, don't do it at all Aug 13 01:34:13 * sugardave gets out the tiny magnets again. Aug 13 01:34:20 thats right Aug 13 01:34:29 magnets are for sissies. Aug 13 01:34:35 * haeffb pushes 1's and 0's around Aug 13 01:34:49 real men use superglue Aug 13 01:34:52 i used to love prorotype Aug 13 01:34:53 lol Aug 13 01:35:00 but jquery is too sweet Aug 13 01:35:13 JenP: get your hot apps $$? Aug 13 01:35:21 yeah! you? Aug 13 01:35:23 well, I used to press my own beach sand, but the older I get I feel the speed gained by using a framework (my magnets) is worth it Aug 13 01:35:49 nice. yes. Aug 13 01:36:06 sugardave: always find the right set of building blocks to make your toys Aug 13 01:36:26 there is a hole in this window... Aug 13 01:36:29 luckily, I like to make building blocks Aug 13 01:36:37 how does that happen?!? Aug 13 01:36:40 any one know how to check if you have the pdk installed in linux Aug 13 01:36:51 halfhalo_pre: holy shamackamoley! Kick the whole out of the window! Aug 13 01:36:57 s/whole/hole/ Aug 13 01:37:37 is it bad that whenever I see an insite I think 'ram'? Aug 13 01:37:37 madnificent: yeah, the sand method is nice but too permanent..that's another benefit to the magnets Aug 13 01:39:18 * halfhalo_pre screams as he almost does again Aug 13 01:39:29 JenP: check it out: http://www.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/noted Aug 13 01:40:00 * sugardave fumes. Aug 13 01:40:01 haeffb this is great! Aug 13 01:40:10 sugardave: imagine that you are an electron... Would you like magnets NOW?! Aug 13 01:40:16 ha Aug 13 01:40:24 sugardave: they're the pure form of obedience Aug 13 01:40:39 lol Aug 13 01:40:41 it's almost ready to submit to catalog... just need to add sorting Aug 13 01:40:42 sugardave: magnets are to communism, as something to something else Aug 13 01:41:02 whiskey is to armadillos Aug 13 01:41:14 haeffb: right! at least YOU seem to get it Aug 13 01:41:24 lol Aug 13 01:41:28 maybe I should've been drunk, this would all make more sense if I'd be drunk Aug 13 01:41:36 lol Aug 13 01:42:41 sugardave: do you have the PDK installed on linux? Aug 13 01:43:00 bhodder: does that work? Aug 13 01:43:15 bhodder: no I don't Aug 13 01:43:16 I thought palm didn't support linux for the PDK so far... Aug 13 01:43:24 there isn't official support for it yet Aug 13 01:43:27 * haeffb needs to figure out an efficient way to allow sorting by alpha, created, or modified and either ASC or DESC Aug 13 01:43:47 I'm tempted to use some of my copious amounts of spare time to figure out what the PDK wants and see if I can make it so on this machine Aug 13 01:43:48 madnificent: well i have the sdk installed on linux but just found out i do not have the PDK Aug 13 01:43:58 there are a couple of threads in the dev forum about trying to get it running on ubuntu Aug 13 01:44:08 bhodder: let me know if/when you find out Aug 13 01:44:16 which is stoping me from getting my cross compiler completly installed Aug 13 01:44:23 madnificent: sure will Aug 13 01:44:42 sugardave: I don't really understand why they don't support it... they use GCC to compile, right? In that case it should be the same options as the GCC on windows/mac Aug 13 01:45:16 ya, as well as webOS is linux based Aug 13 01:45:24 madnificent: I know [infinitessimally small amount] about C and such things Aug 13 01:45:30 bhodder: but webos doesn't include gcc :) Aug 13 01:45:46 madnificent: ohhhh Aug 13 01:46:53 sugardave: GCC is a C compiler. What it basically needs is a bunch of headers, so it knows what it may assume is on the host environment (the palm pre, or the emulator) and a bunch of configuration options so it knows how the hardware works (some arm)... Aug 13 01:47:15 that is correct Aug 13 01:47:16 I don't see how that can be any different on mac... It could be slightly different on windows as it's a bit more fuzzy about filenames Aug 13 01:48:43 I also don't understand why they used virtualbox with x86 mode, and why they didn't release an ARM version. Virtualbox supports ARM Aug 13 01:48:58 this is why it would be nice if they already had the PDK for Linux so that people like me can start learning without all the hassle of finding the magic combination of packages to install/configure Aug 13 01:49:01 even though that would run a bit slower, it would've been nice for PDK apps and wouldn't have cost palm any time Aug 13 01:49:08 sugardave: the nice thing is after it's published once, you can update it w/o them doing anything. Aug 13 01:49:17 tron download = DONE Aug 13 01:49:25 Anivrom{devMode}: tron \o/ Aug 13 01:49:35 haeffb: yeah, that is true...I think he is spiting me now :P Aug 13 01:50:29 I think they all secretly hate Palm & webOS. They're jealous of AndroidCentral or something. Aug 13 01:50:40 heh Aug 13 01:50:52 I agree with you sugardave Aug 13 01:51:18 any1 got a sample/example around of looping thorugh an object to populate divs? Aug 13 01:51:28 like each object element i wanna add a list div Aug 13 01:52:33 madnificent: Palm don't support PDK on Linux cause of the problems with getting a standard working OpenGL environment on Linux Aug 13 01:52:54 acidjazz: take a look at Prototype's each() Aug 13 01:53:06 dont forget to .bind it though Aug 13 01:53:19 rwhitby: you mean SDL in that case? OpenGL should just work if you have a supporting graphics card. Aug 13 01:53:38 rwhitby: but yes, you're right... setting those things up right is a pita Aug 13 01:53:49 oil. bad. Aug 13 01:53:55 sugardave: yea i know how to loop in prototype Aug 13 01:54:06 .each() no workie on objects. Aug 13 01:54:06 oh, in that case Aug 13 01:54:10 my issue is like i got
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Aug 13 01:54:14 no, thats an array thing Aug 13 01:54:16 oh that's right Aug 13 01:54:22 but i want to produce a div for each row .. a dynamic amt of rows Aug 13 01:54:27 sure Aug 13 01:54:31 i wanna see how templating/etc is handled properly Aug 13 01:54:32 so you need the parent div Aug 13 01:54:34 first Aug 13 01:54:40 if its object you could for (x in obj) obj[x] Aug 13 01:54:46 acidjazz: you know webOS has a list widget, right? Aug 13 01:54:52 yea im using that Aug 13 01:54:53 then .createElement(element).appendChild(parent); Aug 13 01:54:59 palm-group and palm-list Aug 13 01:55:04 ah sugardave Aug 13 01:55:15 thats a lil rough creating divs through js :/ Aug 13 01:55:17 no, a list WIDGET Aug 13 01:55:26 widget != styles Aug 13 01:55:49 this? http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1921&Itemid=298 Aug 13 01:55:50 acidjazz: tell me about it...I did my first app almost entirely that way Aug 13 01:55:53 I learned a lot Aug 13 01:56:11 yes, that's the one Aug 13 01:56:33 does it look as sweet? Aug 13 01:56:42 as sweet as what? Aug 13 01:56:56 sugardave: I get this error when trying to do make stage for the cross compiler: No package 'fontsproto' found Aug 13 01:57:05 have you seen that Aug 13 01:57:06 it's pretty much the basis of any webOS app that has a list of stuff Aug 13 01:57:10 oh i see so i setup this widget and like give it attributes/etc.. Aug 13 01:57:19 and items Aug 13 01:57:23 yes Aug 13 01:57:29 bhodder: no, I haven't even begun yet Aug 13 01:57:32 gotta go pack more crap...tty all later Aug 13 01:57:38 bye JenP Aug 13 01:57:42 ohhh ok Aug 13 01:57:47 ok so this is templating Aug 13 01:57:52 i have
Aug 13 01:58:01 then i have my html for each element in a seperate html file right? Aug 13 01:58:06 and it uses that file for each row? Aug 13 01:58:14 one html file, right Aug 13 01:58:19 one? Aug 13 01:58:24 yea ok Aug 13 01:58:37 dekan: list Aug 13 01:58:38 I do not know. Aug 13 01:58:45 dekan 101 Aug 13 01:58:52 dekan: list is http://www.webos101.com/List Aug 13 01:58:53 Okay, sugardave. Aug 13 01:58:57 how will this render? Aug 13 01:59:00 dekan: 101 Aug 13 01:59:00 101 is http://www.webos101.com Aug 13 01:59:06 same as the palm listing im doing? Aug 13 01:59:09 http://www.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/noted Aug 13 01:59:19 that uses a list widget Aug 13 01:59:50 you can include whatever CSS/HTML you'd like in each row Aug 13 02:00:01 and other widgets Aug 13 02:00:14 ah i see Aug 13 02:00:14 so Aug 13 02:00:19 #{-listTitle} Aug 13 02:00:20 etc Aug 13 02:00:24 #{-listElements} Aug 13 02:00:36 mojo scrapes for that and replaces it w/ the elist? Aug 13 02:00:38 that's if you are using a liste template Aug 13 02:00:49 versus an item template Aug 13 02:00:51 but yes Aug 13 02:00:54 that's the general idea Aug 13 02:01:17 a listTemplate is optional, while the itemTemplate is required Aug 13 02:01:53 say your items array includes objects with {title: "a title", note: "a note", color: "a Color"} Aug 13 02:01:54 Your items array includes objects with {title: "a title", note: "a note", color: "a Color! Aug 13 02:02:01 haha Aug 13 02:02:02 thank you dekan Aug 13 02:02:42 then in your rowTemplate you can use #{title}, #{note}, #{color} Aug 13 02:03:12 or whatever properties you include in the object Aug 13 02:03:31 #{-title} does HTML escaping Aug 13 02:04:01 and later we can talk about formatters and #{-titleFormatted} Aug 13 02:04:43 hmm so .. in this.listAttributes i see itemTemplate: "sceneName/rowTemplate", listTemplate: "scaneName/listTemplate", Aug 13 02:04:47 are those files? Aug 13 02:04:48 html files? Aug 13 02:05:45 hmmm...I seem to have a big /srv/preware/cross-compile dir on my machine Aug 13 02:06:08 sugardave: are you on linux for that Aug 13 02:06:13 yes Aug 13 02:06:43 I must have thought about trying to use the WIDK at some point Aug 13 02:06:47 you didnt do make stage to install the cross compiler or did not install the cross compiler at all Aug 13 02:06:58 ohhh ok Aug 13 02:07:13 acidjazz: yes Aug 13 02:07:23 but it does seem to include something abut fontsproto Aug 13 02:08:05 acidjazz: this has some clear, concise info: http://www.webos101.com/List Aug 13 02:08:06 ya thats the part that is says i am missing and then stops making the compiler Aug 13 02:10:13 bhodder: have you looked at this? http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=70&t=6441&p=35184&hilit=linux+pdk+ubuntu#p35184 Aug 13 02:10:21 ubuntu-specific, but might be helpful Aug 13 02:11:21 no actually havnt found that one yet Aug 13 02:14:40 well, I guess I will start working on some flasher features and hope they publish my app some day Aug 13 02:15:02 sugardave: whats the hold up on it? Aug 13 02:15:40 Germans hate me? Aug 13 02:15:43 I don't know Aug 13 02:15:47 but really Aug 13 02:15:53 oh they never told you Aug 13 02:17:53 it's not Palm Aug 13 02:17:57 PreCentral Aug 13 02:18:08 kesne: you around? Aug 13 02:18:25 sugardave: have a cool transition for the flasher, div starts off as a pixel in the middle of screen and grows full size, when it gets 90% fullscreen a new one starts growing and so on Aug 13 02:18:35 like the infinate mirror illusion Aug 13 02:18:48 oooh...nice Aug 13 02:21:44 there is no way to test if a background music file plays in emulator is that right? Aug 13 02:22:00 * Anivrom{devMode} thought he had his away events algorithm sorted out... then noticed a stat in red :( Aug 13 02:22:20 night all Aug 13 02:22:24 night Aug 13 02:22:27 jenP got married. now her last name starts with F111 Aug 13 02:22:52 LoneStar99: if you use .wav files....MAYBE you can listen to them in the emu Aug 13 02:22:53 meh minor glitch. Aug 13 02:23:10 * Anivrom{devMode} does happiness is yelling bingo dance Aug 13 02:23:29 took 4 days to do but I think I finally got it Aug 13 02:23:55 sugardave: ok thanks, i know i asked yesterday Aug 13 02:23:58 =) Aug 13 02:24:12 the answer is sadly still the same today Aug 13 02:24:18 hah Aug 13 02:25:11 can i do this? http://webos.pastebin.com/Yy8GC1Hf Aug 13 02:25:19 haeffb: yea thats what im goin off of thats perfect i got my list template goin :) Aug 13 02:26:44 i tried to make a function loadGroups Aug 13 02:26:51 and run that upon the ajax get complete.. Aug 13 02:27:36 acidjazz: typically you set up your widgets in the setup() function Aug 13 02:27:58 for dynamic lists that could mean you setupWidget with an empty items array in the model Aug 13 02:28:01 then Aug 13 02:28:08 your loadGroups should change the this.listModel.items array Aug 13 02:28:13 yea i just made an empty object saying Loading.. sugardave Aug 13 02:28:23 haeffb i havent gotten that far yet Aug 13 02:28:26 then call this.controller.modelChanged(this.listModel) Aug 13 02:28:27 after you push in some items, you call this.controller.modelChanged(theModel); Aug 13 02:28:28 cuz it doesnt seem like thats running Aug 13 02:28:49 i dont re-instanciate the list widget? Aug 13 02:28:53 nope Aug 13 02:28:59 Mojo is magi Aug 13 02:29:00 magic Aug 13 02:29:04 i put a console.log in loadGroups and its not showing :/ Aug 13 02:29:13 what is theModel / this.listmodel ? Aug 13 02:29:18 oh Aug 13 02:29:32 yeah Aug 13 02:29:33 well you see the console.log in there though? thats not running Aug 13 02:29:40 or whatever widget model you have changed Aug 13 02:29:47 this is the pattern for mojo widgets Aug 13 02:29:52 is your Ajax.request getting to onSuccess? Aug 13 02:31:00 i'll tell ya what's truly magic --> palm://com.palm.facebook Aug 13 02:31:24 & are you able to see console.log()'s elsewhere in your app? Aug 13 02:31:43 ok Aug 13 02:31:49 so my issue is its not being called Aug 13 02:31:51 http://webos.pastebin.com/8eq4EPZh Aug 13 02:32:09 the console.log() before this.loadGroups() runs but not the one inside loadGroups() Aug 13 02:32:54 no errors? Aug 13 02:32:57 neg Aug 13 02:33:10 [20100812-19:30:58.130949] warning: indicated new content, but not active. Aug 13 02:33:10 this.loadGroups.bind(this); Aug 13 02:33:23 where do you want that? Aug 13 02:33:39 he's got a bind on the outer onsuccess...that won't do it? Aug 13 02:33:49 * haeffb likes to .bind() shit randomly Aug 13 02:33:49 taht should do it Aug 13 02:33:57 heh Aug 13 02:34:01 yeah, that should be OK Aug 13 02:34:09 here are my last linse Aug 13 02:34:30 [20100812-19:30:57.707547] info: Transition ended. Aug 13 02:34:30 [20100812-19:30:57.954303] info: calling loadGroups, app/assistants/first-assist Aug 13 02:34:30 ant.js:27 Aug 13 02:34:30 [20100812-19:30:58.130949] warning: indicated new content, but not active. Aug 13 02:34:32 oh Aug 13 02:34:33 duh Aug 13 02:34:51 how about FirstAssistant.prototype.loadGroups = Aug 13 02:34:54 it needs to be FirstAssistant.prototype.loadThis = function(){...} Aug 13 02:34:56 ok i was gonna ask that Aug 13 02:35:01 er loadGroups Aug 13 02:35:02 yeah Aug 13 02:35:13 OR Aug 13 02:35:16 now when i call it? Aug 13 02:35:19 you could just do loadGroups Aug 13 02:35:20 do i need to add that to both? Aug 13 02:35:21 or just loadGroupsin the onSuccess Aug 13 02:35:25 in that onsucces Aug 13 02:35:30 haeffb: thats how i have it Aug 13 02:35:35 i run loadGroups() in the onSuccess Aug 13 02:35:37 this.loadGroups Aug 13 02:35:41 oh you mean no this. ? Aug 13 02:35:43 without the this. Aug 13 02:35:57 this means FirstAssistant object Aug 13 02:35:58 ok so im like inside this FirstAssistant.prototype object eh? Aug 13 02:36:01 since you bound it Aug 13 02:36:02 loadGroups is not a method of FirstAssistant the way you have it Aug 13 02:36:14 it's a global function Aug 13 02:36:15 id rather do this/append and stay in this namespace Aug 13 02:36:20 called "loadGroups" Aug 13 02:36:44 so then you want to change to FirstAssistant.prototype.loadGroups = function ... Aug 13 02:36:50 Gah... If couchdb let me search by sub properties I would be set... Aug 13 02:36:51 you're calling "this.loadGroups" which is a method of "this" which since you .bound(this) is a method of FirstAssistant Aug 13 02:36:51 hmm rad Aug 13 02:36:52 [20100812-19:36:33.078833] info: we got into loadGroups, app/assistants/first-as Aug 13 02:36:52 sistant.js:56 Aug 13 02:36:52 [20100812-19:36:33.079338] warning: WARNING: modelChanged() found no watchers. D Aug 13 02:36:53 id you call it with the ORIGINAL model object, and not a replacement? Aug 13 02:37:37 progress Aug 13 02:37:40 acidjazz: I would recommend using the FirstAssistant.prototype.loadGroups = ... Aug 13 02:37:40 is there any way to get the correct UTC time even though the clock of Pre're wrong? Aug 13 02:37:54 haeffb: i did that.. Aug 13 02:37:58 Ok Aug 13 02:37:58 dirs: hit up an internet time server Aug 13 02:38:12 so what's the new code look like? Aug 13 02:38:19 http://webos.pastebin.com/uFC9T64j Aug 13 02:38:21 sugardave: is going to be the way ... thanks Aug 13 02:38:41 i get [20100812-19:36:33.079338] warning: WARNING: modelChanged() found no watchers. D Aug 13 02:38:42 id you call it with the ORIGINAL model object, and not a replacement? Aug 13 02:38:58 right. Don't change the whole model. just the items array Aug 13 02:39:08 so.. Aug 13 02:39:11 you're redefining the model Aug 13 02:39:19 this.listModel.items = ... Aug 13 02:41:13 awesome Aug 13 02:41:14 awesome is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYws8biwOYc Aug 13 02:41:14 works Aug 13 02:41:45 yeah, we know... :) Aug 13 02:41:57 haeffb does this a lot Aug 13 02:42:05 now to loop thorugh my real this.objects for this list Aug 13 02:42:16 watching tron with my wife (shes never seen it before) toodles :)!!!! Aug 13 02:42:18 easy peasy Aug 13 02:42:40 actually, you don't even have to loop Aug 13 02:42:45 Anivrom{devMode}: tron is awesome! Aug 13 02:43:07 if this.objects is an array of objects.... it's just this.listModel.items = this.objects; Aug 13 02:43:27 then use the properties of the object(s) in your row Template Aug 13 02:44:00 and don't tell none of them android/iOS developers that webOS is this easy. We don't want the competition. Aug 13 02:44:10 lol. Aug 13 02:44:19 no shit Aug 13 02:44:31 we, a village that appreciates staying a village? Aug 13 02:44:43 screw them Java ObjectiveC m'fers. Aug 13 02:44:50 * haeffb drinking again Aug 13 02:45:01 again or still? Aug 13 02:45:12 first beer(s) in five days Aug 13 02:45:17 this.listmode.items[i] = {"title":this.objects.groups[i].title,"label":""}; Aug 13 02:45:18 hmm Aug 13 02:45:53 listmode? Aug 13 02:45:57 you can do it that way Aug 13 02:46:06 but you need the right object :D Aug 13 02:46:21 i think its my for loop Aug 13 02:46:28 for (var i in this.objects.groups) { Aug 13 02:46:42 * haeffb sighs Aug 13 02:46:43 i is going to be a property name Aug 13 02:46:47 i need to maybe if (this.objects.groups[i].title) { Aug 13 02:46:56 ah it needs to be just an incrementor eh Aug 13 02:47:09 i.title Aug 13 02:47:22 nah that wouldnt work Aug 13 02:47:22 oh right, sorry i is the object Aug 13 02:47:25 yea Aug 13 02:47:31 i is the key Aug 13 02:47:41 console.log(this.objects.groups[i].title); <- works Aug 13 02:47:42 or, as noted above, this.listModel.items = this.objects.groups Aug 13 02:47:44 im seeing titles Aug 13 02:47:45 okay, now you guys are confusing me Aug 13 02:47:57 haeffb: naw cuz this.objects.groups has all this other crazy stuff Aug 13 02:47:58 well Aug 13 02:48:03 actually ill just redo the template to accomodate Aug 13 02:48:04 nice Aug 13 02:48:05 so? Aug 13 02:48:21 it doesn't matter, you only put what you want to display in the item template html Aug 13 02:48:31 you don't have to display all the crazy stuff. and it might be useful later Aug 13 02:48:34 rad right Aug 13 02:49:00 wow Aug 13 02:49:04 i finally got it Aug 13 02:49:05 mom Aug 13 02:49:06 EmmettLollis! Aug 13 02:49:17 haeffb! sugardave! Aug 13 02:49:23 sup? Aug 13 02:49:34 i got 1.4.5 Aug 13 02:49:38 yay Aug 13 02:49:42 damn not workin Aug 13 02:49:42 me, too :D Aug 13 02:49:43 welcome to yesterday Aug 13 02:49:48 :) Aug 13 02:49:52 going to buy some fine champaign to celebrate Aug 13 02:50:01 no errors Aug 13 02:50:02 hmm Aug 13 02:50:13 did it hit yesterday? Aug 13 02:50:35 acidjazz: before you call modelChanged, dump out this.listModel.items[0] and see what's in it Aug 13 02:50:51 ok Aug 13 02:50:56 last night Aug 13 02:51:05 well it wont be 0 sugardave Aug 13 02:51:12 these groups start with 1 Aug 13 02:51:20 theyre identifiers Aug 13 02:51:24 key identifiers to rpimary keys in a db Aug 13 02:51:33 and hte order might change Aug 13 02:51:42 okay Aug 13 02:51:48 this.listModel.items.first() Aug 13 02:51:52 or .last() Aug 13 02:51:56 see if there's anything in there Aug 13 02:52:25 acidjazz: I beg to differ Aug 13 02:52:33 shhh Aug 13 02:52:37 I want to watch Aug 13 02:53:06 no console.log ran sugardave .. buit no error either Aug 13 02:53:12 console.log(this.listmode.items.first()); Aug 13 02:53:17 EmmettLollis: i think on tuesday it was released Aug 13 02:53:36 EmmettLollis: I got it downloading night before last Aug 13 02:53:37 lemme check this.objects.groups Aug 13 02:53:41 whatever day that was Aug 13 02:53:52 cool Aug 13 02:54:15 oh snap Aug 13 02:54:20 WHAT IS THAT i see in the palm beta catalog Aug 13 02:54:27 what is is? Aug 13 02:54:30 it? Aug 13 02:54:33 visualboyadvance Aug 13 02:54:39 woot Aug 13 02:54:40 $499 Aug 13 02:54:44 erm. Aug 13 02:54:45 $4 Aug 13 02:54:46 how mcuh? Aug 13 02:54:48 $4.99* Aug 13 02:55:01 that was my "at least" amount Aug 13 02:55:34 seems a good price Aug 13 02:55:42 can you get to the beta feed from the app catalog or only preware? Aug 13 02:55:47 yeah I was wondering about that Aug 13 02:55:55 how do regular users find the palm beta apps? Aug 13 02:56:02 acidjazz: wtf is listmode Aug 13 02:56:03 exciting Aug 13 02:56:28 torchie: type in a URL? Aug 13 02:56:34 you can't charge in the beta feed. Aug 13 02:57:09 ok this.objects.groups is fine Aug 13 02:57:20 acidjazz: is it an array? Aug 13 02:57:27 its an object Aug 13 02:57:28 not an array Aug 13 02:57:36 but tibfib it's right there Aug 13 02:57:36 items needs to be an array of objects right? Aug 13 02:57:37 dekan: you can't charge in the beta feed is no, $who, YOU can't charge in the beta feed Aug 13 02:57:37 Okay, haeffb. Aug 13 02:57:44 acidjazz: yes Aug 13 02:57:46 4.99 in the beta feed Aug 13 02:57:47 torchie: that's web feed probably Aug 13 02:57:47 yea ok Aug 13 02:57:51 so i cant just assign objects to that sugardave Aug 13 02:57:58 i gotta loop/format right Aug 13 02:58:07 is objects an array? Aug 13 02:58:12 right, if you don't have an array already you need one Aug 13 02:58:17 or objects.groups? Aug 13 02:58:24 dekan: you can't own chance is ...that's beautiful Aug 13 02:58:25 Okay, torchie. Aug 13 02:59:12 acidjazz: since we don't know what your Ajax.request is returning....we can't tell you how to go about this. Aug 13 02:59:15 tomlee: what the crap. Aug 13 02:59:23 err. @torchie Aug 13 02:59:33 lol Aug 13 02:59:43 dtz broke the system Aug 13 02:59:49 yeah lol Aug 13 02:59:51 Tibfib: I just bought it for $4.99 from the beta feed **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Aug 13 02:59:57 2010