**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Aug 13 02:59:57 2010 Aug 13 03:00:12 that's odd. Aug 13 03:00:14 sadly I don't have a card with cash right now Aug 13 03:00:17 ohhhhhh palm Aug 13 03:00:17 yeah, beta feed for sure Aug 13 03:00:30 rwhitby: you're Aussie. Aussies can do strange stuff. Everybody knows that. Aug 13 03:00:50 yes, I am unfortunately overlimit on my card...but that is about to change :D Aug 13 03:01:31 s/strange/strange and wonderful/ Aug 13 03:01:33 rwhitby: is it a different app id? Aug 13 03:01:46 Tibfib: yep Aug 13 03:01:58 cool, I'll buy it now Aug 13 03:02:06 I advised dtzWill that each feed needs a different appid Aug 13 03:02:21 good thinkin' Aug 13 03:02:21 for (x in this.objects.groups) { console.log(this.objects.groups[x].title); } Aug 13 03:02:23 * acidjazz growls Aug 13 03:02:35 haeffb: let me put up what its returning Aug 13 03:02:37 yeah, that could get confusing Aug 13 03:02:46 I also advised him that he should include some sample homebrew games, cause at the moment it has none Aug 13 03:02:51 for (x in this.objects.groups) {console.log(x.title)}; Aug 13 03:03:19 shit you need a different app id for each feed, too? Aug 13 03:03:27 haeffb: http://webos.pastebin.com/UEeEjrgX Aug 13 03:03:30 lol sorry for the size Aug 13 03:03:49 sugardave: if you are running multiple copies of the same app, probably Aug 13 03:03:55 you don't HAVE to have a different app.id, but it sure makes things easier Aug 13 03:04:08 com.tigers.app.done, com.tigers.beta.done Aug 13 03:04:09 haeffb: im pretty sure thats wrong Aug 13 03:04:15 i should just use .each Aug 13 03:04:22 each only for arrays though Aug 13 03:05:10 okay...I'm not too sure about this...can you have a widget items array that doesn't have a 0 index? Aug 13 03:05:11 really??? Aug 13 03:05:17 yeah Aug 13 03:05:38 here's what I would do Aug 13 03:06:12 acidjazz: humor me Aug 13 03:06:17 * haeffb needs a JSON beautifier Aug 13 03:06:28 jsonlint.com Aug 13 03:06:35 for (var group in groups) { this.listModel.items.push(groups[group]);} Aug 13 03:07:00 really? Aug 13 03:07:12 well, maybe Aug 13 03:07:21 depends on how I want my list structure Aug 13 03:07:23 items needs to be reset though Aug 13 03:07:40 groups is an array of objects Aug 13 03:07:41 this.listmode.items = []; Aug 13 03:07:45 no it isn't Aug 13 03:07:46 groups is an object of objects Aug 13 03:07:51 see the keys Aug 13 03:07:52 and the {} Aug 13 03:07:53 no [] Aug 13 03:07:56 yes. Aug 13 03:08:07 it's not an array Aug 13 03:08:09 right Aug 13 03:08:30 acidjazz: so do the items = [] before your for loop Aug 13 03:08:33 yea i did Aug 13 03:08:40 sigh nothin Aug 13 03:08:47 lemme step back a sec Aug 13 03:08:49 check previous code Aug 13 03:09:11 then something like I showed would give you an array like this array[0] = {1: {the rest of the subobject}) Aug 13 03:09:26 then something like I showed would give you an array like this array[0] = {1: {the rest of the subobject}} Aug 13 03:09:58 this.listmode.items = [ {"title":"Loaded","label":""} ]; Aug 13 03:09:59 okay Aug 13 03:10:02 isnt updating etiher anymore Aug 13 03:10:03 I have a question Aug 13 03:10:06 so i screwed up somewhere else earlier Aug 13 03:10:11 i think your code would work though Aug 13 03:10:29 why do you have your top level objects named after a property that can be found in the object it contains? Aug 13 03:10:58 http://webos.pastebin.com/iHcEnSUj <- latest Aug 13 03:11:20 because this is my 1st app and i i have about a 10% grasp of whats going on :) Aug 13 03:11:28 PLEASE GET RID OF listmode Aug 13 03:11:36 acidjazz: yeah, you have a typo Aug 13 03:11:44 thought it was something like that :) Aug 13 03:11:47 your original model is this.listModel Aug 13 03:11:51 not this.listmode Aug 13 03:11:58 loll Aug 13 03:12:17 [21:55] acidjazz: wtf is listmode Aug 13 03:12:20 hahaha Aug 13 03:13:03 acidjazz: usually my code 'works' Aug 13 03:13:12 but that's not to say it's the best way Aug 13 03:13:17 or even a good way sometimes :P Aug 13 03:13:33 ok Aug 13 03:13:35 the static array works Aug 13 03:13:39 the for loop doesnt Aug 13 03:13:58 because it's not an array? Aug 13 03:14:13 http://webos.pastebin.com/3KTkSeKp Aug 13 03:14:43 oh Aug 13 03:14:48 you took my line literally Aug 13 03:14:51 loll Aug 13 03:14:52 groups Aug 13 03:14:52 k Aug 13 03:15:01 you need to have groups as a var or something Aug 13 03:15:03 already Aug 13 03:15:08 that is your json response Aug 13 03:15:25 hah Aug 13 03:15:25 rad Aug 13 03:15:26 so I guess that's this.objects Aug 13 03:15:27 i did it Aug 13 03:15:35 thanks guys much appreciated Aug 13 03:15:37 np Aug 13 03:15:42 \0/ Aug 13 03:15:46 grasp of whats going on now at 15% :) Aug 13 03:15:54 now last question.. how would you organize this? Aug 13 03:16:20 organize....hmmm..... Aug 13 03:16:23 http://webos.pastebin.com/KMLmAR5n Aug 13 03:16:38 move the AjaxRequest to activate() Aug 13 03:16:55 anyone here use couchdb? Aug 13 03:16:57 no leave it in setup Aug 13 03:17:11 that way it's not getting called every time they go back to the scene Aug 13 03:17:17 otherwise there's a chance (however small) that your list widget won't be instantiated before the loadGroups is called Aug 13 03:17:37 ok, then ready() Aug 13 03:17:38 or wrap it in if (!this.listModel.items) Aug 13 03:17:43 ready is good Aug 13 03:17:59 to accomodate broken json? Aug 13 03:18:00 ah yea Aug 13 03:18:04 im gonnw rite all that later Aug 13 03:18:15 i just wanted feedback on positioning/namespace/etc Aug 13 03:18:20 oh Aug 13 03:18:25 yeah, good luck Aug 13 03:18:29 lol Aug 13 03:18:48 acidjazz: https://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1627&Itemid=43 Aug 13 03:18:51 I usually include a .js or use stage/app assistant to set up a global namespace Aug 13 03:20:10 setup() loads the widgets, then ready() is called, then aboutToActivate(), then activate() Aug 13 03:21:05 and activate() is also called anytime your scene is minimized, or you push then pop another scene over it Aug 13 03:21:11 Tibfib: yep, just got the receipt from the Beta feed purchase Aug 13 03:21:31 you can't charge in the beta feed Aug 13 03:21:32 no, haeffb, YOU can't charge in the beta feed Aug 13 03:21:39 haha Aug 13 03:21:47 dekan: inventory Aug 13 03:21:48 I am carrying a coke, a sugardave, a deathray, 1.4.5 which is worth 2 in the bush, a 900killoton thermonuclear warhead, a flux capacitor, the capacity to hold the third death star, the ring, a Bag of Holding, even more clue, more and more clue, a penny, some gum, more gum, a copy of g++ by codesourcery, three rolls of 5-ply toilet paper, a swift kick in the ass, a high five, everything, and a knuckle sandwich. Aug 13 03:22:00 * sugardave gives dekan the Palm Linux PDK Aug 13 03:22:00 * dekan is now carrying the Palm Linux PDK, but dropped three rolls of 5-ply toilet paper. Aug 13 03:22:36 sweet. I needed some TP Aug 13 03:22:37 now dekan, you protect that PDK and don't let ANYBODY have it, okay? Aug 13 03:22:59 are you listening to me, dekan? Aug 13 03:22:59 Can't talk, zombies! Aug 13 03:23:03 botsmack Aug 13 03:23:04 OUCH Aug 13 03:23:29 haeffb: VisualBoyAdvance is $4.99 in the beta feed, and I just bought it, and have the receipt to prove that you can charge in the beta feed Aug 13 03:24:00 bah. Aussie rules don't apply here. Aug 13 03:24:02 it definitely shows up in my beta feed with a price tag on it Aug 13 03:24:05 rwhitby: tried purchasing, install hanged Aug 13 03:24:12 see! Aug 13 03:24:23 probably just palm being crappy Aug 13 03:24:41 haeffb: device activated in the US, using a US credit card on the US app catalog Aug 13 03:24:48 doh! Aug 13 03:25:04 ah this is perfect haeffb Aug 13 03:25:05 tnx Aug 13 03:25:07 OH SNAP Aug 13 03:25:10 don't let rwhitby fool you...he hacked his phone Aug 13 03:25:11 I CAN USE THIS!!!! Aug 13 03:25:20 regardless, Tibfib was the one who said you can't charge in the beta feed Aug 13 03:25:25 afk while i setup vmware+ubuntu for my new sweeter palm dev env Aug 13 03:25:32 well you're not _supposed_ to be able to Aug 13 03:25:34 sugardave: not this one. many others, but this one is my production phone Aug 13 03:25:42 heh Aug 13 03:25:53 Ok, just as an fyi, mongodb for all node db stuff Aug 13 03:25:56 EVAR Aug 13 03:26:04 yeah? was wondering about that Aug 13 03:26:16 aussie hackers messin' up our beta feed and chargin' for stuff. Aug 13 03:26:22 I haven't looked at Drupal 7, but I think it might be able to use mongodb, too Aug 13 03:26:28 mysql stuff is… bad, and while key-store is there, I can't use that for this Aug 13 03:26:35 haeffb: I'm not the dev, I just bought it Aug 13 03:26:40 I need to be able to query on subattributes Aug 13 03:26:51 s/chargin'/payin'/ Aug 13 03:27:47 anyone got a link to the rules about charging in beta feed? Aug 13 03:27:55 gets ready to try for another keyboard Aug 13 03:27:56 you can't charge in the beta feed Aug 13 03:27:57 no, haeffb, YOU can't charge in the beta feed Aug 13 03:28:04 oops, I dropped a /me there Aug 13 03:28:22 mr sood still giving stuff away? Aug 13 03:28:28 yawp Aug 13 03:28:39 torchie, rwhitby what'd I break? Aug 13 03:28:50 rod, I have no idea, just riffing on Tibfib's insistence that you can't charge in the beta feed Aug 13 03:28:53 huh what Aug 13 03:29:11 dtzWill: all kinds of shit Aug 13 03:29:13 way to go Aug 13 03:29:17 say WHSSSSSSST Aug 13 03:29:18 WHSSSSSSST! Aug 13 03:29:21 we're all depressed now Aug 13 03:29:58 lol Aug 13 03:30:26 you broke EVERYTHING Aug 13 03:30:29 now we're all going to die Aug 13 03:30:30 * rwhitby bbl Aug 13 03:30:31 [21:56] you can't charge in the beta feed. Aug 13 03:30:43 yeah you also broke the beta feed Aug 13 03:30:47 you aren't SUPPOSED to be able to. Aug 13 03:31:00 now everything in the beta feed COSTS MONEY! Aug 13 03:31:05 lol Aug 13 03:31:29 and the prices grow exponentially EVERY TWENTY SECONDS Aug 13 03:31:39 visualboyadvance is now $3,062 Aug 13 03:31:47 it's getting harder to find beta testers, that's for sure Aug 13 03:32:30 I wonder if palm changed it to being able to charge in the beta feeds Aug 13 03:32:32 :(. it was an option :(:( Aug 13 03:33:08 ok, problem… I don't know if I can do this withought a relational db Aug 13 03:33:14 its soo wierd... Aug 13 03:33:27 now my beta costs 1,297 times what my actual app costs. weird. Aug 13 03:33:37 lol? Aug 13 03:33:53 does noted have cloud sync Aug 13 03:33:58 yes Aug 13 03:34:06 to http://www.simplenoteapp.com Aug 13 03:34:34 screw that keyboard Aug 13 03:34:43 I'm not counting damn words Aug 13 03:35:08 which also has clients for android, iOS, windows, OSX, ... Aug 13 03:35:12 oh… snapple Aug 13 03:35:46 uhhh http://www.wordcounttool.com/ Aug 13 03:35:48 dtzWill: you're pioneering new territory Aug 13 03:35:52 woo! Aug 13 03:35:54 I think this could work.... Aug 13 03:36:18 I really didn't mean to. the price might change, I just wanted to 'try out' the app cat by putting it in the beta feed Aug 13 03:36:25 alright cool Aug 13 03:36:29 leave it Aug 13 03:36:31 so apparently feed entries are messed up now? o_O :( Aug 13 03:36:37 now I just gotta figure out how I'm going to get my palm notes out of the void Aug 13 03:36:51 dtzWill: I don't think so Aug 13 03:37:01 I can't find any language saying that you can't charge in the beta feed. maybe it was all a dream Aug 13 03:37:07 dtzWill: we're just messin' wit ya Aug 13 03:37:26 and/or Tibfib Aug 13 03:37:30 dtzWill: I blame haeffb...he's drunk Aug 13 03:37:33 again Aug 13 03:37:37 oh. good point. Aug 13 03:37:45 I had forgotten about that. Aug 13 03:37:48 haha okay. :) Aug 13 03:37:57 Huzzah, found it: http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1840&Itemid=34&limitstart=1 Aug 13 03:38:32 dtzWill: I don't even HAVE an app in the beta feed. Aug 13 03:38:43 hahaha Aug 13 03:38:45 that's funny Aug 13 03:38:59 "no charging in beta feed" but we're going to let you have that option anyway Aug 13 03:39:05 and oh look! it works! Aug 13 03:39:18 I blame flash Aug 13 03:39:21 You may not charge for a beta application. Aug 13 03:39:30 see, Tibfib, what I've been saying all along. Aug 13 03:39:45 mongomongoMONGO! Aug 13 03:40:06 halfhalo-final: speak english, please Aug 13 03:40:20 hmm...maybe that means that rwhitby messed everything up by pulling the purchase trigger Aug 13 03:40:25 now I'm excited! I actually have a db to store user stuff into instead of my in-memory-only custom stack Aug 13 03:40:40 ,,kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk, Aug 13 03:41:19 halfhalo-final: that sounds like a good thing. Aug 13 03:41:45 yup Aug 13 03:42:33 because if I were your user, I'd rather that you store my stuff than try to remember it all Aug 13 03:42:41 lol Aug 13 03:42:50 diva Aug 13 03:43:00 ta-daaa! Aug 13 03:43:55 now… can i make this super easy and have relational mapping? Aug 13 03:52:36 Anivrom{devMode}: u around? Aug 13 04:09:10 I'm running out of unproductive things to do Aug 13 04:12:44 must say that wirc is now really awesome Aug 13 04:12:50 is 030 out? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Aug 13 04:13:39 2010 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Aug 13 04:14:14 2010 Aug 13 04:17:01 Just finished tron.... still just as awesome Aug 13 04:17:12 bad acting and fragmented storyline but amazing movie Aug 13 04:17:15 so much for "devmode" eh? Aug 13 04:17:20 hehe Aug 13 04:17:46 I finished up a function that had me puzzled for days, so I decided to reward myself Aug 13 04:18:02 :) Aug 13 04:18:47 now when you exit or minimize the game, instead of having a background process, it calculates the away events when you come back Aug 13 04:18:58 which can be a bit hungry when you're gone for long periods of time but oh well Aug 13 04:19:03 better than a background process Aug 13 04:19:09 * Tibfib still has no idea what Anivrom{devMode}'s game is Aug 13 04:37:07  Aug 13 04:38:38 I love you hunny (Anivrom) <3 Aug 13 04:38:47 oh hai. I like you too :) Aug 13 04:38:52 ... Aug 13 04:38:57 ...alot? Aug 13 04:39:11 * Kal reaches over and smacks you Aug 13 04:39:19 ow Aug 13 04:39:51 guys keep it down in here I can't even hear myself think Aug 13 04:39:55 * Anivrom{devMode} drops pin Aug 13 04:59:53 hmmm, there's no0 font-size: enormous; in css Aug 13 05:01:11 try ginormous? Aug 13 05:01:17 or jumbo? Aug 13 05:01:54 freaking-HUGE-man Aug 13 05:01:58 sugardave: try it in spanish "Gigante" Aug 13 05:02:29 if we could define CSS variables I would totally do that Aug 13 05:02:48 font-size:gigante;font-color:tequila Aug 13 05:03:41 me and my wifes favourite... usually reserved for describing huge breasts... CAJANGA size Aug 13 05:04:50 480px is pretty big Aug 13 05:05:05 you mean 480 DD Aug 13 05:06:06 though 480px font is NOT the same as 480px height screen Aug 13 05:06:19 sugardave: you trying to give the mothership signals with 480px? Aug 13 05:06:37 gonna try 480px - brb Aug 13 05:06:39 marquee scroller Aug 13 05:07:51 i heart anything with an interactive console Aug 13 05:07:57 like… ruby, node, mongo Aug 13 05:08:39 http://bobchatter.com/im/status/480.php Aug 13 05:08:49 lol Aug 13 05:09:08 that's pretty huge Aug 13 05:09:28 i kinda like it Aug 13 05:09:59 just need to be across the block for it to look 12px Aug 13 05:10:06 heh Aug 13 05:11:30 hahahaha Aug 13 05:11:40 my wife just said we should name our kid Tron Aug 13 05:11:47 My name is jon Aug 13 05:12:01 Flynn Aug 13 05:12:05 So Tron Cross: son, Jon Cross: father Aug 13 05:12:09 Anivrom{devMode}: why not tron is a cool name Aug 13 05:12:24 been tossing chris around for years Aug 13 05:12:30 that would be plain mean though Aug 13 05:12:46 heh Aug 13 05:13:21 what is an em? Aug 13 05:16:11 lol. you should go with chris Aug 13 05:27:38 night Aug 13 05:31:03 night Aug 13 05:36:55 dekan: status report Aug 13 05:36:56 Unhand me, defiler! Aug 13 05:37:26 dekan: status report is all systems failing... OH CRAPPPPPPP! Aug 13 05:37:27 Okay, CTLAdvance. Aug 13 05:37:34 status report Aug 13 05:37:35 status report is all systems failing... OH CRAPPPPPPP! Aug 13 05:37:55 dekan inventory Aug 13 05:37:59 dekan, inventory Aug 13 05:38:00 * dekan contains a coke, a sugardave, a deathray, 1.4.5 which is worth 2 in the bush, a 900killoton thermonuclear warhead, a flux capacitor, the capacity to hold the third death star, the ring, a Bag of Holding, even more clue, more and more clue, a penny, some gum, more gum, a copy of g++ by codesourcery, a swift kick in the ass, a high five, everything, a knuckle sandwich, and the Palm Linux PDK. Aug 13 05:40:45 * CTLAdvance gives dekan an infinate mass of matter that contains everything including the 4th and 5th dimension, as well as all parallel universes. In this mass at any given point in time, everything is happening. Aug 13 05:40:46 * dekan hands CTLAdvance a penny in exchange for an infinate mass of matter that contains everything including the 4th and 5th dimension, as well as all parallel universes. In this mass at any given point in time, everything is happening Aug 13 05:41:02 dekan, inventory Aug 13 05:41:03 ACTION contains a coke, a sugardave, a deathray, 1.4.5 which is worth 2 in the bush, a 900killoton thermonuclear warhead, a flux capacitor, the capacity to hold the third death star, the ring, a Bag of Holding, even more clue, more and more clue, some gum, more gum, a copy of g++ by codesourcery, a swift kick in the ass, a high five, everything, a knuckle sandwich, the Palm Linux PDK, and an infinate mass of matter that cont Aug 13 05:41:09 heh4 Aug 13 05:56:15 lol 2 in the bush Aug 13 05:56:49 dekan, help Aug 13 05:56:50 Unhand me, defiler! Aug 13 05:56:59 what is he eggdrop? Aug 13 05:57:20 annoying is what he is Aug 13 06:32:57 any pdk developers in here? Aug 13 07:20:35 morning Aug 13 07:46:04 I am confused about controller scoping. The documentation says of StageController and SceneController that they are both referred to as this.controller, but looking at the source, SceneController is the only place where var controller is defined. There is a lot of confusion on the web regarding what scope you're in and how to get the controllers desired. Mojo.Controller.StageController vs this.controller.stageController vs Mojo.Con Aug 13 07:46:54 Does anyone have a reference that makes this understandable? Aug 13 07:46:56 hi Aug 13 07:47:25 hmm, haven't worked with that Aug 13 07:47:33 what's the problem you're having? Aug 13 07:47:52 It's quite simple, I just want to push/pop scenes. Aug 13 07:48:04 and that doesn't work? Aug 13 07:49:05 It works for a standard app, but not when I use an app-assistant Aug 13 07:50:18 In a standard app, I can call Mojo.Controller.stageController.pushScene("logbook"); from my assistant just fine. When I call the same from an app-assistant it can't find the stage controller Aug 13 07:51:18 hmm Aug 13 07:51:27 isn't there a call to get the current scene? Aug 13 07:51:46 I'm sure it's a scope issue, I just need to understand the big picture. Aug 13 07:52:26 getActiveStageController? Aug 13 07:53:31 but i'm not familiar with apps using an app-assistant Aug 13 07:54:13 no worries, it's honestly a stretch in the wrong direction, I was just experimenting with ways to pass data between apps to avoid writing a hybrid pdk app Aug 13 07:55:09 wasn't there an article on that somewhere? Aug 13 07:56:41 I believe I've read everything on the subject at this point, the articles that are out there only skim the surface. Aug 13 07:57:06 If I ever bottom out I'll have to post a few. Aug 13 10:08:13 mmh, I submitted a pdk app and now info tells me that there a two errors: contains executable and app is a pdk app Aug 13 10:08:15 is this normal? Aug 13 10:14:42 i read about some problems with app submission on the developer forum Aug 13 10:15:50 https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=8387 Aug 13 10:17:12 ah, ok Aug 13 10:17:14 thanks Aug 13 10:17:15 You're welcome, sebastianha! Aug 13 10:19:04 it will take a while for them to wake up tho Aug 13 10:19:23 it's 4:20am there Aug 13 10:20:13 mmh, damn. submitted a version with a bug Aug 13 10:20:20 rejection still is not instantly :( Aug 13 11:43:06 morning all Aug 13 11:50:36 morning Aug 13 11:57:33 still working on the compiling the make stage Aug 13 11:58:02 :( Aug 13 12:11:26 swisstomcat, Are you using Linux? Aug 13 12:11:36 yeah Aug 13 12:11:53 Did you get it all installed correctly? Aug 13 12:12:09 the pdk? or are you talking about the widk? Aug 13 12:12:23 the cross compiler Aug 13 12:12:24 "compiling the make stage" sounds like the widk Aug 13 12:12:32 ya thats the one Aug 13 12:12:47 I was told the pdk cannot be installed in linux Aug 13 12:12:52 yeah Aug 13 12:13:01 it can but it's a bit tricky, i didn't succeed Aug 13 12:13:06 I succeed Aug 13 12:13:09 i have a spare windows machine for that Aug 13 12:13:10 works fine Aug 13 12:13:19 oh Aug 13 12:13:29 for the widk, we can head over to #webos-internals Aug 13 12:13:39 sebastianha1: how did you do it? Aug 13 12:13:48 takes a bit longer to explain Aug 13 12:13:48 oh ok Aug 13 12:13:48 curious too Aug 13 12:13:56 did you follow a forum post? Aug 13 12:14:04 I do not have the time now, but I will write it down somewhere Aug 13 12:14:11 that'd be great Aug 13 12:14:15 basically geht the PDK dir from the windows version Aug 13 12:14:15 palm says they're working on it Aug 13 12:14:20 download the crosscompiler Aug 13 12:14:26 and set your paths right Aug 13 12:14:32 Yes thats be much apriciated Aug 13 12:14:41 but you can only build for the device, correct? Aug 13 12:14:47 ? Aug 13 12:14:53 what else do you want to build? Aug 13 12:15:07 for the desktop, for testing Aug 13 12:15:12 of course you can Aug 13 12:15:16 opengl? Aug 13 12:15:19 no Aug 13 12:15:26 because its opengles Aug 13 12:15:27 that's what i heard palm is working on Aug 13 12:15:31 ah, ok Aug 13 12:15:39 I just tested sdl only programs so far Aug 13 12:15:41 because opengl is working on windows/mac afaik Aug 13 12:15:52 aha, ok Aug 13 12:16:16 now would that be y when compiling the cross compiler doing , 'make stage' it errors at XFONT? Aug 13 12:16:37 don't know Aug 13 12:16:38 UNCAUGHT EXCEPTION: TERMINATING Aug 13 12:16:42 let's go over to #webos-internals .. widk is their project Aug 13 12:16:48 * swisstomcat hands dekan a banana Aug 13 12:16:49 ok Aug 13 12:16:49 * dekan is now carrying a banana, but dropped some gum. Aug 13 12:17:05 * swisstomcat steps on the gum .. dammit Aug 13 12:17:16 * sebastianha1 laughs Aug 13 12:17:38 I hope they reject my app soon so I finally can submit Aug 13 12:17:53 did you write to chuq? Aug 13 12:17:58 pdc@ Aug 13 12:18:01 yeah Aug 13 12:18:04 yes, I did Aug 13 12:18:15 but of course they're still asleep at the moment Aug 13 12:18:21 :) Aug 13 12:18:21 that should be the fastest wy Aug 13 12:18:28 is it gmt -8? Aug 13 12:18:30 6:20am Aug 13 12:18:41 ah -6 Aug 13 12:18:55 good to know Aug 13 12:19:01 that's why i'm proposing a european support team Aug 13 12:19:05 mmh Aug 13 12:19:08 I can live with it Aug 13 12:19:27 but rejection should be done automatically :) Aug 13 12:19:45 ok, I have to go Aug 13 12:19:47 see you Aug 13 12:19:49 even chuq agrees Aug 13 12:19:52 cu Aug 13 13:18:52 morning all Aug 13 13:34:37 morning lonestar Aug 13 13:35:07 the best part of the facebook movie preview was probably this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evG2DDmSdxM Aug 13 13:44:53 swisstomcat: heh, that's scala :) Aug 13 13:45:05 yeah, cool stuff Aug 13 13:45:09 never heard of them before Aug 13 13:45:21 they reherse like 10 kilometers from where I live Aug 13 13:46:00 Heh, google stole some java code verbatim and used it in android. Oracle is sueing. Can't imagine the astronomical amoubt the suit is gonna end up being Aug 13 13:46:26 Anivrom|pre: oracle wants to scare the big guys, that's all Aug 13 13:47:01 Anivrom|pre: don't be mistaken though, Oracle plays the microsoft game... they're going to crush many and grow much Aug 13 13:47:05 No, its a valid suit Aug 13 13:47:32 Anivrom|pre: it is a valid suit, but that's not the message they're trying to give Aug 13 13:47:33 Any company that can buy sun microsystems is already a big company... Aug 13 13:47:48 Anivrom|pre: IBM big, I mean :) Aug 13 13:48:17 and they play it the way that microsoft played it in the mid 90ties Aug 13 13:48:17 swisstomcat: wow googd song from the link u sent Aug 13 13:49:10 i didn't even pay attention to the trailer, just to the music (it's from the facebook movie trailer) Aug 13 13:49:20 magnificent: cool .. send me a CD of them? :) Aug 13 13:49:53 swisstomcat: heh, they probably do sell CDs Aug 13 13:50:03 it's strange, when it's so close you really don't pay attention to it Aug 13 13:50:16 lol, will probably not watch the film, hate to waste money of shitty films Aug 13 13:50:22 So basically all you have to do is change 1 var or remove 1 if statement and you unlock the demo of tetris mani Aug 13 13:50:24 their version of "enjoy the silence" is good too Aug 13 13:50:25 Mania Aug 13 13:51:45 this is bullshit Aug 13 13:52:00 listening to "enjoy the silence" Aug 13 13:52:03 I think Dieter is purposely not publishing my app now...36 hours, for real? Aug 13 13:52:08 Palm is faster than this now Aug 13 13:52:24 sugardave: why 3 hours... what sort of app? Aug 13 13:52:30 36 Aug 13 13:52:32 36 hours Aug 13 13:52:32 sorry 36 hours is nuts Aug 13 13:52:36 it has been sitting there Aug 13 13:53:16 sugardave: has he published other apps in that time? Aug 13 13:53:29 Guess you owe him money or something Aug 13 13:53:39 :P Aug 13 13:53:40 haha "f*** you BP .. i just opened a can of sardines ... everything is oily and the fish are dead" Aug 13 13:53:57 swisstomcat: STRIKE Aug 13 13:55:46 swisstomcat: canned sardines are bomb! Aug 13 13:55:51 sardine sandwich! Aug 13 13:55:54 "honey, you're spending not enough time with our three kids" ... "three?" Aug 13 13:56:13 lol Aug 13 13:56:17 hey all Aug 13 13:56:23 Hey Aug 13 13:56:32 hello Anivrom|pre Aug 13 13:56:39 hey Aug 13 13:57:23 Bhodder: Just bought sausage breakfast sandwich on english muffin combo at tims, got honey crueller as side. Cheers Aug 13 13:58:00 nice. cheers Aug 13 13:58:17 I'm assuming you have a tims to cheer back with? Aug 13 13:58:20 Anivrom|pre: need icon soon...may submit this weekend. Aug 13 13:58:31 haeffb_pre: gotcha Aug 13 13:58:35 Anivrom|pre: was jsut there and got a everything begal Aug 13 13:58:59 What flavour? Aug 13 13:59:04 and a pepsi Aug 13 13:59:10 i've got a cool app idea .. show me the next public phone Aug 13 13:59:14 I personally like herb and garlic Aug 13 13:59:19 the Everything one with onions Aug 13 13:59:37 Flavour of cream cheese I meant Aug 13 13:59:39 ya, have you tried the new cheese one? its pretty good Aug 13 13:59:53 No. I should have Aug 13 13:59:57 Forgot Aug 13 14:00:02 lol just butter today Aug 13 14:00:08 Boo Aug 13 14:00:14 usually herb and garlic Aug 13 14:00:23 Who eats tims bagels with just butter?? Aug 13 14:00:23 or strawbeery Aug 13 14:00:34 I got sick of strawberry Aug 13 14:00:45 I do lactose intolerent Aug 13 14:00:58 Do = am Aug 13 14:01:14 lol Aug 13 14:01:18 :) Aug 13 14:01:54 Time to start compiling my daily bug list Aug 13 14:03:36 Trying to get my cross compiler done so I can get started on apps Aug 13 14:05:39 That last sip of tims is always the most bitter, both do to the fact that its gone, and that it really is the most bitter cause all the crap sinks to the bottom. I try and shake it every now and then to kee that from happening Aug 13 14:06:13 lol, I agree with that one Aug 13 14:08:26 This randomly generated shop is so intense. Never know what you're gonna get Aug 13 14:09:24 Whats that? Aug 13 14:09:53 you working on apps Anivrom|pre Aug 13 14:10:29 Hmm my app folder in internalz shows 20mb...yikes must be the 150+ images folder.. Aug 13 14:10:49 lol Aug 13 14:10:56 Lol 17mb of that is images folder Aug 13 14:11:08 wow thats nuts Aug 13 14:11:30 Its alot of animations Aug 13 14:11:40 I'm just waiting to see if my cros compiler will install correctly this time Aug 13 14:11:52 What you using the animations for? Aug 13 14:12:01 Seeecret Aug 13 14:12:07 Its a canvas game Aug 13 14:12:33 ohh ok Aug 13 14:14:13 Wife doesn't want me telling anyone until beta. Mumbled something about corporate espionage :P (last bit I made up) Aug 13 14:14:29 heh Aug 13 14:14:50 lol Aug 13 14:27:54 I shot the sheriiiiiff but I did not shoot the dep..uuuuty Aug 13 14:28:09 lol Aug 13 14:29:26 Working on anything exciting today Anivrom|pre Aug 13 14:29:43 Define exciting Aug 13 14:29:51 And define working Aug 13 14:30:00 Anivrom|pre's game is only going to be worth 2 in the bush Aug 13 14:30:12 Meh Aug 13 14:30:18 :) Aug 13 14:30:37 lol Aug 13 14:30:53 If it is it is, my wife wanted one of these games on the pre since there basically isn't any Aug 13 14:31:09 well true I guess it all depends own your own definition of exciting Aug 13 14:31:09 So we decided to build one Aug 13 14:31:22 cool Aug 13 14:31:32 what kind of game isnt on the pre Aug 13 14:31:36 hmmm Aug 13 14:31:50 That's for me to know and you r find out Aug 13 14:31:58 lol I dont have many yet on mine Aug 13 14:32:33 I have so many apps they are spilling out the screen Aug 13 14:33:10 lol nice Aug 13 14:33:18 All over my lap Aug 13 14:33:31 Now I got an app wet spot on my crotch Aug 13 14:34:22 how many have you worked on yourself? Aug 13 14:34:38 hes made about 2 in the bush Aug 13 14:35:12 lol Aug 13 14:35:18 dekan:Anivrom Aug 13 14:35:19 Anivrom hates ares Aug 13 14:35:28 Hemeaning yousself? Aug 13 14:35:40 Prekeybo fail Aug 13 14:35:52 no I was joking with the 2 in the bush line Aug 13 14:36:08 I she I she Aug 13 14:37:36 madnificent: probably....I know Noted! sat in the queue for about, oh, 10 minutes before it was published Aug 13 14:38:49 Heh Aug 13 14:39:03 haeffb didn't owe dieter money Aug 13 14:39:29 sugardave: have you mailed him about it? Aug 13 14:39:39 mmhmm Aug 13 14:39:43 3 times Aug 13 14:40:06 http://twitter.com/sugar_dave/status/21069016247 Aug 13 14:40:26 sugardave: :( Aug 13 14:41:20 * Anivrom|pre is learning how to use vi... Painful Aug 13 14:41:38 is --> || equal to "or" in JS? Aug 13 14:41:52 yes Aug 13 14:41:52 Anivrom|pre: I know I'm going to be the zealot, but the church of emacs requires me to do so: why not emacs? Aug 13 14:41:58 Anivrom|pre, vi is not to bad Aug 13 14:42:06 never used emacs Aug 13 14:42:17 Don't know my options on the pre Aug 13 14:42:24 funny story, gather 'round Aug 13 14:42:26 Using terminal Aug 13 14:42:31 oh ok Aug 13 14:42:44 when I first went to college, I had never even heard of Unix before Aug 13 14:42:46 emacs helps in webos development, it seems :) Aug 13 14:42:52 sugardave: ok thanskl\\] Aug 13 14:42:53 madnificent: emacs available for pre terminal? Aug 13 14:43:01 so, they told me I need to fund my account for laser printing, etc. Aug 13 14:43:16 they made me an account on their Sun machines and then asked me if I knew Unix Aug 13 14:43:43 I told them no, so the guy says "Go over to the bookstore and ask for this publication. It will tell you all you need to know." Aug 13 14:43:56 so, I went to the bookstore to ask for the magic publication Aug 13 14:44:08 Anivrom|pre: I doubt that. Though it could work if you'd install it. Aug 13 14:44:22 Anivrom|pre: then again, I don't think such an editor (neither vim) is suited for the keyboard of the pre Aug 13 14:44:22 they gave me this tiny map-folded 3-page pamphlet that had ls, cat, and man Aug 13 14:44:25 that's it Aug 13 14:44:28 go! Aug 13 14:44:49 I don't have any other options since internalz refues to save Aug 13 14:44:57 yes you do Aug 13 14:45:00 run an emulator Aug 13 14:45:36 Not connectted to a compuuter btw Aug 13 14:45:40 vi would suck on the pre keyboard Aug 13 14:45:58 Again, no other options Aug 13 14:46:04 true I just always log into it to do it from my computer Aug 13 14:46:14 sugardave they did the same to me... Aug 13 14:46:26 sugardave: emacs would be just fine if the left part of the touch area would represent alt and the right would represent ctrl (or vice virsa) Aug 13 14:46:33 s/virsa/versa/ Aug 13 14:46:34 and gotta love that method of learning linux sugardave Aug 13 14:46:48 thats how I have learned most of mine Aug 13 14:47:14 then one day I discovered ftp and telnet Aug 13 14:47:22 it was like the sun rose Aug 13 14:47:41 lol Aug 13 14:47:47 and then I discovered MUDs....and the sun was blotted out forever Aug 13 14:47:47 sugardave: sending mail over telnet <3 Aug 13 14:47:54 madnificent: good times Aug 13 14:48:35 nntp over telnet to post to alt.hackers Aug 13 14:48:43 those were the days Aug 13 14:48:48 and then AOL Aug 13 14:48:51 *shudder* Aug 13 14:48:55 I have had to send mail over telnet before Aug 13 14:51:41 sugardave: what year were you born? Aug 13 14:51:52 1972 Aug 13 14:51:55 * sugardave is old. Aug 13 14:52:30 sugardave: this is from when I was born... We were ahead with computers at home, so I kind of got to see some stuff of it, but not what's shown here Aug 13 14:52:56 http://www.archive.org/details/CC1024_artificial_intelligence Aug 13 14:53:26 sugardave: the initial part probably won't interest you, but the last 10 minutes or so are not about AI nor lisp (which is why I actually downloaded it) Aug 13 14:53:47 sugardave: if you don't want to stress the archive.org servers, I can temporarily host it here, but the upload will be slower Aug 13 14:53:52 madnificent: I'll have to watch it later...my sound systems is being a little bitch Aug 13 14:54:21 mind the words "The cards are realistically looking" Aug 13 14:54:29 haha Aug 13 14:54:37 the comments are funny Aug 13 14:54:57 that really made me feel 8 years old again. Playing that 3D tetris-like game (forgot the name :( ) on the commodore 64 Aug 13 14:55:26 I only just graduted college a year and a half ago so didnt see much of that side of linux Aug 13 14:55:43 my first was a VIC-20...my grandfather didn't get me the C-64 because "the letters on the screen are too small" Aug 13 14:55:46 dammit Aug 13 14:56:01 bhodder: linux is fairly young... 1993, iirc Aug 13 14:56:12 I still have my C-128...but it needs a power supply Aug 13 14:56:14 bhodder: it only ran on a 486 and higher Aug 13 14:56:44 bhodder: a tad older are the BSDs, which should've been where linux is now (and it would've been better) Aug 13 14:57:26 Brb batt pull Aug 13 14:57:42 madnificent: true I was born in 88 and didnt get into linux till like 200 Aug 13 14:57:49 *2000 Aug 13 14:58:12 bhodder: that's a normal year to get into linux... I didn't get into it that much sooner Aug 13 14:58:44 oh really Aug 13 14:58:46 cool Aug 13 14:58:58 I remember learning the first version of java (in english before ever having received an english course) and failing to run applets because the graphics card couldn't handle the minimum resolution of 640 480 Aug 13 14:59:40 oh, hey sound is working Aug 13 14:59:45 * sugardave watches. Aug 13 15:02:03 I am trying to make my crosscompiler and it now errors here instead when I use "make -j4 stage". can someone take a look at it. http://www.pastebin.ca/1916431 Aug 13 15:07:16 bhodder: the error is earlier on, I think Aug 13 15:07:28 maybe I'm wrong Aug 13 15:08:04 bhodder: also, you don't need -j4 if the compilation doesn't take forever Aug 13 15:09:17 when I dont use -j4 it errors at checking for XFONTS and say fontsproto package is missing Aug 13 15:09:58 with -j4 the compilation did take quite a long time Aug 13 15:10:15 bhodder: -j4 means run 4 processes at once (aka "I have a tripple core") Aug 13 15:10:55 you're probably going to need to fix the fontsproto error either case Aug 13 15:11:04 oh ok so should i run -j2 then Aug 13 15:11:05 bhodder: can you paste more debugging output? Aug 13 15:11:18 from the make stage Aug 13 15:11:51 it shouldn't really matter which -j you run... but I remember running into issues with compiling toolchains in more than one process (though I can't remember whether or not that was the actual error back then) Aug 13 15:12:06 ** you did try to run make stage, not just make, right? Aug 13 15:12:12 oh ok Aug 13 15:12:20 ya Aug 13 15:12:21 stage is not related to -j Aug 13 15:13:03 I ran "make stage" first and that is where i get the fontsproto missing and cannot figure out how to fix it. Aug 13 15:13:06 * madnificent isn't a gcc expert though Aug 13 15:13:17 what distribution are you on? Aug 13 15:14:59 ubuntu 10.4 Aug 13 15:15:13 bhodder: is there a fontsproto or fontsproto-dev package? Aug 13 15:15:21 it could also be called x11-proto something something Aug 13 15:15:28 apt-cache search is your friend Aug 13 15:15:57 heres the debug http://pastebin.ca/1916439 Aug 13 15:17:58 I didn't know Col. Sanders invented LISP Aug 13 15:18:02 It looks like it got past it this time Aug 13 15:19:38 sugardave: what? no it was John McCartey, I think Aug 13 15:26:11 I think I got it madnificent Aug 13 15:29:21 bhodder: joy! Aug 13 15:29:45 bhodder: so... we're getting close to having a PDK on linux then? Aug 13 15:29:49 at least on ubuntu Aug 13 15:30:02 think so but still working on it Aug 13 15:30:30 bhodder: if we can compile and run on the pre/pixi, then that's good enough for devving I guess Aug 13 15:31:22 true enough Aug 13 15:31:54 just fighting one more thing and hopfully it will work Aug 13 15:33:08 corrrection thought I solved my error but not yet Aug 13 15:34:19 bhodder: what are you getting? Aug 13 15:34:40 * madnificent is pissed that he can't compete in the PDK hot apps challenge Aug 13 15:35:16 this: *** Required DotConf library missing! See INSTALL . Aug 13 15:35:35 but I just went and install the DotConf library Aug 13 15:35:51 any idea where install is located Aug 13 15:36:16 bhodder: you might need the -dev version of that library Aug 13 15:36:41 thats what I thought so I installed that one Aug 13 15:36:46 damn computer-stealing commies Aug 13 15:36:46 and it is probably located in /usr/lib{32,64,}/ and the compiler might search in the wrong lib Aug 13 15:36:55 sugardave: yeah!!!! twas great! Aug 13 15:40:16 you can hear the cards hitting the table Aug 13 15:40:17 haha Aug 13 15:40:32 nice blast from the past Aug 13 15:44:38 morning chuqui Aug 13 15:44:55 dekan: hide the puppies Aug 13 15:44:56 That is not bananas Aug 13 15:45:00 morning! Aug 13 15:45:07 dekan: chuqui =~ s/LOOK, A PUPPY!!"/"LOOK, A PUPPY!!"/ Aug 13 15:45:08 Okay, sugardave, factoid updated. Aug 13 15:45:18 chuqui Aug 13 15:45:19 "LOOK, A PUPPY!!" Aug 13 15:45:21 there we go Aug 13 15:45:23 haha Aug 13 15:45:26 good morning chuqui Aug 13 15:45:38 morning chuqui Aug 13 15:45:52 chuqui: i found an error in the dev portal ;) Aug 13 15:46:00 Morning chuqui Aug 13 15:46:03 can't submit apps with chrome Aug 13 15:46:05 you mean the one about not charging for beta apps :D Aug 13 15:46:06 upload Aug 13 15:46:16 can't upload apps with chrome Aug 13 15:46:22 you get a javascript error Aug 13 15:46:30 yeah chrome hasnt been working lately with the portal Aug 13 15:46:37 i've reported it on the forum Aug 13 15:47:16 chuqui: what is the word on seting prices for apps in the beta feed? Apparently it's possible, though the feed information indicates it shouldn't be Aug 13 15:50:47 sugardave it shouldn't be. that'd be a bug. Aug 13 15:51:05 dtzwill is going to be disappointed Aug 13 15:51:23 he put visualboyadvance in the beta feed and it has a price of $4.99 Aug 13 15:51:31 and rwhitby was able to purchase it Aug 13 15:51:32 (at least, I THINK so. I'll mention it...) Aug 13 15:54:11 swisstomcat can't submit apps in chrome? works in another browser? Aug 13 15:54:21 yeah Aug 13 15:54:22 ff works Aug 13 15:54:34 pressing upload gives a javascript error (in the console) Aug 13 15:54:46 dev poll: how to best implement a marquee...horizontal scroller with individual characters in divs, or one div with the whole message? Aug 13 15:55:14 did you see dion's example? Aug 13 15:55:18 on his blog Aug 13 15:56:06 swisstomcat thanks. I'll have a look at it. Aug 13 15:56:39 chuqui: http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=8412 Aug 13 15:57:06 very nice changes to the dev portal tho ... app submission is much more streamlined ... too bad they didn't tell you about it :/ Aug 13 15:57:11 swisstomcat: horizontal scroller example or specifically a marquee? Aug 13 15:57:19 I have his github horizontal scroller code already Aug 13 15:57:32 had to turn it into one that was more dynamic :D Aug 13 15:57:34 horizontal scroller example Aug 13 15:57:44 marquee? Aug 13 15:58:26 yeah, you know...words starting off-screen and then scrolling by to the other side off-screen Aug 13 16:01:03 here's what I really want to know....is it possible to compute how wide a div is going to be before you insert it into the DOM give the font-size and string length? Aug 13 16:01:15 s/give/given/ Aug 13 16:04:20 hmm Aug 13 16:05:54 because what would be nice is to just start the left edge at screenWidth + 1, and let webkit-transition handle moving it to left - screenWidth - divWidth Aug 13 16:06:09 oh Aug 13 16:06:17 I can do that computation after inserting it Aug 13 16:06:20 hmm Aug 13 16:09:40 hell, never mind Aug 13 16:09:45 -webkit-marquee ftw Aug 13 16:12:45 madnificent: I cannot find the INSTALL file and cannot fix the missing dotconf lib Aug 13 16:12:50 Lolllll all that work and turns out its already done. That sucks Aug 13 16:13:06 any ideas Aug 13 16:13:12 luckily, I hadn't started yet :D Aug 13 16:13:45 Nice Aug 13 16:17:10 Hey I swa Aug 13 16:18:02 Hey I swear I saw a google voice app in preware few days ago. The app was meant for webOS 1.4.5 now I can't find it anywhere Aug 13 16:18:35 it is there Aug 13 16:19:19 Huh? What's it called again? Aug 13 16:20:17 What's the name of the google voice app huh? Aug 13 16:20:28 im just checking again Aug 13 16:20:56 once an app is in web distro, it can not be changed to app catalog is that right? Aug 13 16:21:28 bhodder: the INSTALL file? Aug 13 16:22:02 LoneStar99: Not unless you change the name of the app Aug 13 16:22:03 interesting...marquee performs WAY better on the device than in the emu Aug 13 16:22:35 bhodder: I think it is libdotconf1.0 on lucid lynkx Aug 13 16:22:45 madnificent: ya I cannot locate it at all and cannot get past that point Aug 13 16:23:19 have you install libdotconf-dev too ? Aug 13 16:23:28 yup both Aug 13 16:23:31 Bhodder: see that's what I'm saying.. I knew it was there Aug 13 16:23:47 palmpreuser1001: P2GoogleVoice Aug 13 16:23:50 how have you installed GCC? through the ubuntu package manager too? Aug 13 16:24:06 no apt-get Aug 13 16:24:14 that's the ubuntu package manager :) Aug 13 16:24:21 No not P2googlevoice I already have that Aug 13 16:24:27 (same backend as synaptic and aptitude) Aug 13 16:24:32 palmpreuser1001, ok Aug 13 16:24:33 That's old Aug 13 16:24:43 madnificent, oh right Aug 13 16:24:47 so yes Aug 13 16:25:02 A new one came out and it use 1.4.5 kernel Aug 13 16:25:15 palmpreuser1001: but you are right i cannot find the googlevoice one eventhough it was there yesterday Aug 13 16:26:01 bhodder: can you paste the error about dotconf? Aug 13 16:26:24 So what was the app called "googlevoice"? Aug 13 16:27:01 Maybe I could search an ipk somewhere Aug 13 16:27:24 Or request one if you do have it. Aug 13 16:29:38 bhodder: what does echo "$LDPATH" say? Aug 13 16:30:11 * madnificent doesn't know anymore Aug 13 16:33:29 its blank Aug 13 16:35:43 That should not be blank should it? Aug 13 16:37:15 here is where the error is: http://pastebin.ca/1916476 Aug 13 16:43:51 bhodder: it may be... it's blank here too... I thought ought to set that, but I think it may get its information elsewhere ( grep -R "LDPATH" /etc/env.d/ ) Aug 13 16:44:49 so it fails compiling the speechd Aug 13 16:45:34 bhodder: could you do a find ./ -name "INSTALL" and see if you can find an install file in a reasonable location Aug 13 16:46:40 sure let me check Aug 13 16:47:52 Ugh! Still no google app Aug 13 16:48:13 I can't believe webosroundup didn't even write a blog about it Aug 13 16:48:25 palmpreuser1001: google app? Aug 13 16:48:34 Nor precentral. It's like nobody knew Aug 13 16:48:54 Yeah... Heh.. Google app of course! Aug 13 16:49:07 palmpreuser1001: nobody blogged about it! I don't know what you're talking about! Aug 13 16:49:14 madnificent: you want me to find the speechd one? Aug 13 16:49:26 bhodder: that should say what you need to install Aug 13 16:49:49 bhodder: it's a bit of a long shot Aug 13 16:49:57 Ask bhodder I'm not only one who saw it in preware Aug 13 16:50:09 I saw it there too Aug 13 16:50:20 w h a t a p p ? Aug 13 16:50:37 google owns the equivalent of the world... Aug 13 16:50:48 Madnificent: it disappeared Aug 13 16:50:56 what was it supposed to do? Aug 13 16:51:07 was it something like yahoo app? Aug 13 16:51:33 its magical google app Aug 13 16:51:39 dont ask so many questions Aug 13 16:51:48 or the robot overlords will notice you Aug 13 16:52:03 Madnificent: no it was google voice with screen shot like an eye candy Aug 13 16:52:26 webos doesn't have an upload file dialog for websites, does it Aug 13 16:52:40 I was unable to download it then because I was still stuck on 1.4.1 Aug 13 16:52:46 * oilsworkn has never tried to upload a file with the browser Aug 13 16:53:50 I have Aug 13 16:53:53 and was disappoint Aug 13 16:53:58 Oilsworkn: google can kiss my pre-butt for all I care if robort notices me Aug 13 16:54:02 press the button and it just Aug 13 16:54:05 doesn't do anything ;-; Aug 13 16:54:54 Oilsworkn: Since you work for the robot maybe you could be a spy for the android community Aug 13 16:55:43 * oilsworkn doesn't want to piss them off Aug 13 16:55:49 google knows everything Aug 13 16:55:52 lol Aug 13 16:55:52 Oh boy you shouldn't be here lol Aug 13 16:56:13 this channel is logged too, isn't it? Aug 13 16:56:24 crap! Aug 13 16:56:38 lol Aug 13 16:56:46 Oh, I do love making servers in js Aug 13 16:56:52 soooo much easier than php and rails Aug 13 16:56:53 oh? Aug 13 16:57:04 idk, php is pretty easy Aug 13 16:57:14 oilsworkn: php is a royal pita Aug 13 16:57:18 yeah, but this is easier for this purpose Aug 13 16:57:33 and while rails is retartedly easy for some things, this isn't one of them Aug 13 16:57:34 well, maybe thats because im hella good at php xD Aug 13 16:57:57 how good? Aug 13 16:58:02 I hate those apps that go in and get pulled unoticed Aug 13 16:58:02 wanna have a php code-off Aug 13 16:58:31 * oilsworkn writes php code like all day long Aug 13 16:58:43 Lemme put it this way. This server only has like 4 urls. With php that means redirection or multiple pages and whatnot. with js that just means a catch statement Aug 13 16:58:45 oilsworkn: do you know what an autoloader is Aug 13 16:58:53 no Aug 13 16:59:01 and the server I'm using automagically spits out json as the result Aug 13 16:59:01 madnificent: trying that now to see what happens Aug 13 16:59:32 Deliciousmorsel: do you mind adding a compose button on each and every page in Twee? Aug 13 16:59:47 palmpreuser1001: swipe forward to tweet Aug 13 16:59:49 on any page Aug 13 16:59:58 oilsworkn: you work at google? Aug 13 17:00:03 lol Aug 13 17:00:20 this installing of mongodb on my mbp is taking way to long... Aug 13 17:00:22 no Aug 13 17:00:29 oh Aug 13 17:00:32 oilsworkn: know any of the spl objects/functions? Aug 13 17:00:36 * sugardave can't read. Aug 13 17:01:11 deliciousmorsel: lol, nope Aug 13 17:01:42 Deliciousmorsel: thanks for the tip Aug 13 17:01:47 sugardave: words are hard Aug 13 17:01:49 oilsworkn: how about __get and __get Aug 13 17:01:56 woops typo __set Aug 13 17:02:06 yeah Aug 13 17:02:11 __callStatic? Aug 13 17:02:16 though i never use them in my classes Aug 13 17:02:35 oilsworkn: you need to learn autoloading Aug 13 17:02:39 Tibfib: like math Aug 13 17:02:39 makes php less shitty Aug 13 17:02:43 well Aug 13 17:02:46 i did php at Adobe for a few years Aug 13 17:02:47 sugardave: exactly Aug 13 17:02:53 its not like i dont know which classes i want to use when im writing it, lol Aug 13 17:03:00 so i just include them :) Aug 13 17:03:07 yeah thats called bloat Aug 13 17:03:17 lol Aug 13 17:03:22 i worked on a project with probably 1000 classes Aug 13 17:03:30 image you statically call a class once Aug 13 17:03:40 and it includes 3 classes to be loaded Aug 13 17:03:45 but it only uses one of those Aug 13 17:03:53 you just did 2 extra file operations Aug 13 17:03:58 right Aug 13 17:04:09 imagine you have those 2 pull in a couple other ones Aug 13 17:04:13 and it daisy chains Aug 13 17:04:21 bam… you did 30 extra file reads Aug 13 17:04:23 and evals Aug 13 17:04:29 hmmm...anyone know how to display Arabic in webOS? Aug 13 17:04:40 Deliciousmorsel: not important but when will you update the app icon? It look like a fat obese chick compared to that sexy chick for tweetme Aug 13 17:04:50 lol Aug 13 17:04:55 lol Aug 13 17:04:57 nah i love that icon Aug 13 17:05:07 its a 3D box icon Aug 13 17:05:13 its cute Aug 13 17:05:19 and recognizable Aug 13 17:05:19 man, engadget commenters sure hate gartenberg Aug 13 17:05:27 plus my app is pretty much a fat obese chick Aug 13 17:05:32 lol Aug 13 17:05:41 maaaaan Aug 13 17:05:45 lol Aug 13 17:05:49 tweetme? Aug 13 17:05:49 the heck is tweetme Aug 13 17:05:51 doesn't sound like twee2 Aug 13 17:06:24 tweetme was designed by … well someone with design skills Aug 13 17:06:28 i on the other hand Aug 13 17:06:42 yeah my site is ugly as sin Aug 13 17:06:52 and thats probably the best site i've designed Aug 13 17:06:58 lol Aug 13 17:07:21 though the html is sexy Aug 13 17:07:24 does that count? Aug 13 17:07:26 haha Aug 13 17:07:31 * sugardave is envisioning "Best Code Behind Worst UI" contest. Aug 13 17:07:36 deliciousmorsel: looking for ideas/feedback for twee2? Because I've got a few if you want to hear him. Aug 13 17:07:43 sure Aug 13 17:08:05 weee.... mongodb driver up and running Aug 13 17:08:37 and I stuck it in its own little wrapper class Aug 13 17:09:04 Yeah the html is tight I like it that's one advantage over tweetme but you it's like saying the" 60/30 percent rule." do you know what that is? Aug 13 17:09:46 60% of users are idiots, 30% are even more idiotic, and the last 10% couldn't figure out how to respond to the question Aug 13 17:10:01 is that really it Aug 13 17:10:14 mmhmm Aug 13 17:10:17 tweetme's the one with the really over the top UI right Aug 13 17:10:24 If I go with 60% a chick will do most likely do every I need her do but she'd be fat and ugly as hell Aug 13 17:10:31 * oilsworkn believes in form over function Aug 13 17:10:34 er Aug 13 17:10:36 function over form Aug 13 17:10:37 thats it Aug 13 17:10:38 lol Aug 13 17:10:40 lol Aug 13 17:10:43 lol Aug 13 17:11:04 30% the chick is sexy as hell but damn she be running up my american express Aug 13 17:12:09 You get the idea. Aug 13 17:12:25 10% are trannys? Aug 13 17:12:40 haha Aug 13 17:13:33 Oilsworkn: you betta watch out. Be my guess if you want to fill in the 10% lol scary Aug 13 17:13:58 lol Aug 13 17:14:09 i was just trying to figure out what the extra 10% was left out for Aug 13 17:14:30 I meant to say 60/40 percent rule so leaving no room for trannys..sorry :-) Aug 13 17:14:36 ok Aug 13 17:14:37 thats better xD Aug 13 17:14:47 I like mine better Aug 13 17:15:26 fuuuuuu Aug 13 17:15:30 google voice fail Aug 13 17:15:43 ? Aug 13 17:16:05 I told it to accept the call and it hung up Aug 13 17:16:28 lol Aug 13 17:16:47 does anyone else ignore calls on webOS all the time by accident? Aug 13 17:17:08 no Aug 13 17:17:23 fffff Aug 13 17:17:29 from dealership Aug 13 17:17:35 I always want to zoom out of my app before accepting hte call, which closes the panel Aug 13 17:19:27 Halfhalo_class: if you actually followed directions you can't actually yell at it saying "accept the call" it's prompting you option dial 1 to accept the call! Aug 13 17:20:42 fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu Aug 13 17:20:45 uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu Aug 13 17:24:26 * haeffb_pre is tired of being at work Aug 13 17:24:58 luckily there's only 8.5 more years to go Aug 13 17:26:15 One's frustrations has to be based on ignorance. Make no mistake about it. Aug 13 17:26:17 lol Aug 13 17:26:50 8.5 till what? Aug 13 17:26:53 retirement? Aug 13 17:27:06 keenstudios, why the hell would I want to follow them? Aug 13 17:27:08 stupid twitter Aug 13 17:28:52 thats what you get for having a twitter Aug 13 17:29:47 fuuuuuu Aug 13 17:29:51 2k Aug 13 17:30:21 oilsworkn: eligibility, yes Aug 13 17:30:53 dang Aug 13 17:32:07 yeah Aug 13 17:32:17 I'm old Aug 13 17:32:19 Someone give me some money Aug 13 17:32:49 Oilsworkn: so if you had to choose 60 or 40 percent what will it be? Aug 13 17:32:57 halfhalo_class: ask Palm. they gave me some yesterday Aug 13 17:33:52 hmmmm Aug 13 17:35:15 Would you choose the fat chick the 60 or hell with it go 40 -the sexy broad? Aug 13 17:35:33 reading glasses make the pre much easier to use Aug 13 17:37:19 It's hard. Maybe i'll keep both lol Aug 13 17:38:01 madnificent: Used the INSTALL file and it still fails at speechd but I'm not sure if it is failing there or something else to do with the missing DotConf library that is installed :( Aug 13 17:38:43 Haeffb_pre maybe if you tried turning the pre sideways it wouldn't be much difficult to use either Aug 13 17:39:43 palmpreuser1001: oilsworkn hasn't implemented landscape mode in wirc, so no go Aug 13 17:40:57 and deliciousmorsel doesn't increase font size in twee, so also no help Aug 13 17:41:00 sugardave: do you have the cross compiler set up on your linux system Aug 13 17:41:48 Haeffn_pre: when's the last time you had an eye exam? Aug 13 17:41:51 palmpreuser1001: 40%, you only live once Aug 13 17:42:18 what good is landscape mode in an app where you need the kb out :) Aug 13 17:42:34 deliciousmorsel: current scroll position is lost in flip between landscape & portrait Aug 13 17:43:33 palmpreuser1001: you'll understand when you reach your mid-40's Aug 13 17:44:01 bhodder: nope :D Aug 13 17:46:47 mr sood wants me to download silverlight to compete...no Aug 13 17:46:52 wut Aug 13 17:46:56 bummer Aug 13 17:47:07 :( Aug 13 17:48:02 Haeffb_pre: no pun intended I just wanted make sure they were corrected before you actually start flaming. I had my ears recently before I started wearing bluetooth headset before I judge them Aug 13 17:48:29 *my ears cleaned Aug 13 17:48:57 ok. my eyes are clean. thanks. Aug 13 17:49:25 eye bleach? Aug 13 17:49:44 Maybe in your mid 40's you could have upgraded to an ipad maybe? Until hp comes out with an palmpad Aug 13 17:51:05 what if we had skin-tight gloves with bendable LCD screen...that it could really be a palm pad Aug 13 17:52:05 what would b a reasonable price for Noted ? Aug 13 17:52:21 I suck at this game Aug 13 17:52:22 still Aug 13 17:52:47 I don't know...$2.99? Aug 13 17:52:55 I wouldn't wait up. Since much of HP's resource is spent on Hurd's case. This might delay the new project. What do you guys think of that?. Aug 13 17:52:59 I'm thinking of going a different route with pricing in the future Aug 13 17:53:20 Noted? Aug 13 17:54:03 "much of HP's resource' ? Aug 13 17:54:15 like, beta is free, a couple of features for the first release is $0.99....then when some more hefty things are added (live feeds, or tweet/fb capability, etc.) increase the price...repeat until some maximum Aug 13 17:54:16 Hurd's case? GNU hurd? Aug 13 17:54:34 that way early adopters get low pricing AND all the new stuff, never bitching Aug 13 17:54:52 Ugh. Nevermind. You guys should read more media Aug 13 17:55:05 let's see Aug 13 17:55:13 HP purchased Palm for 1.2 Billion Aug 13 17:55:29 I think I heard that was around 1% of HP's "net worth" Aug 13 17:55:45 so, unless Hurd's legal troubles cost upwards of 99 Billion Aug 13 17:55:49 I think we're good Aug 13 17:55:57 good idea sugardave, let us know how it works out... Aug 13 17:56:21 haeffb_pre: I imagine poorly, but we'll see Aug 13 17:56:23 if I do it Aug 13 17:56:42 make clear that the low initial price will increase as features added... Aug 13 17:57:16 NoteTap is $4, Notes is $4.99 Aug 13 17:57:45 neither syncs to cloud (except to Gdocs) Aug 13 17:57:56 $3.23 again...? Aug 13 17:58:46 1% is still alot of dough but also when he left the stock started to drop. Aug 13 17:59:18 haeffb_pre: how pretty are they compared to yours? Aug 13 17:59:30 Costing HP Aug 13 17:59:31 for some reason, users care about that shit Aug 13 18:00:31 You definitely should lower price comparedto notetap Aug 13 18:01:21 they are ok...wouldnt say either blows me away Aug 13 18:01:21 haeffb_pre: btw, yes, I planned on putting "Get it while it's CHEAP, the price only goes up from here!" or something like that when I submit it Aug 13 18:02:39 palmpreuser1001: why lower than notetap? Aug 13 18:04:31 Man this sucks, I cannot get the cross compiler to run in linux and I dont want to leave linux to do dev Aug 13 18:05:18 Hmmm haeffb I've downloaded a lot note apps and I'm still comparing all the paid apps to free apps. Currently I'm using fliq notes and notes by inglorious. I just downloaded noted a few mins ago. Give me a second I'll explain Aug 13 18:05:33 huh i have a friend that's considering a pre plus over an iphone 4 Aug 13 18:05:39 I'm looking at the vide for Notes by Inglorious Apps Aug 13 18:05:46 it's pretty slick Aug 13 18:06:03 Torchie: Tell the friend to get the pre plus Aug 13 18:06:13 I dunno man. Aug 13 18:06:16 he's on AT&T. Aug 13 18:06:20 they have the iphone 4 Aug 13 18:06:42 I don't care Aug 13 18:07:33 Haeffb_pre: ok first of all I don't like to sign up for anything that require an account. It needs to have an option strictly standalone. Aug 13 18:08:27 CTLAdvance! Aug 13 18:08:28 CTLAdvance eats to escape his problems as \I always do Aug 13 18:08:34 ok... Aug 13 18:08:36 haeffb_pre: do you have any plans to integrate with Done! at all? Aug 13 18:08:43 Except maybe email and a bank account. That's it. As far as usability.. Again the client doesn't want to spend the time creating an account. Aug 13 18:10:09 palmpreuser1001: the main selling point of Noted is to be able to sync to cloud Aug 13 18:10:41 and the other apps which use simplenote will be able to access the notes Aug 13 18:10:57 so I can create notes anywhere and access them on device Aug 13 18:11:44 obviously, if you work for CIA you need a different solution Aug 13 18:12:31 sugardave: no. Toodledo also has a notebook feature that I haven't included yet. Aug 13 18:12:44 I could add that to Done. Aug 13 18:12:59 or add toodledo notes to Noted Aug 13 18:13:15 I was just wondering since you seem to be getting quite the collection of productivity apps Aug 13 18:13:33 god, I hate asyncronous dbs right now Aug 13 18:13:38 you could build a suite app controller Aug 13 18:13:41 get it? Aug 13 18:13:43 har Aug 13 18:14:19 all I want to do is insert a row with a field set to the number of items in the db already Aug 13 18:14:33 why? Aug 13 18:14:42 psuedo id field Aug 13 18:15:04 Haeffb_pre: the main selling point of a farrari car is not only can you speed up to 210mph but you can assure drivability just like every other car Aug 13 18:15:05 this is in node, I take it? Aug 13 18:15:17 yeah, and with a mongodb db Aug 13 18:15:47 it doesn't work like we do in Mojo dbs? chain some callbacks together? Aug 13 18:16:07 It does, but I hate that Aug 13 18:16:12 Thats my issue Aug 13 18:16:15 why? Aug 13 18:16:46 and my sql-fu is weak, but couldn't you do it in one query? Aug 13 18:16:47 there are about 10 callback functions right now Aug 13 18:17:48 oh...mongodb is json Aug 13 18:17:51 interesting Aug 13 18:17:53 yeah Aug 13 18:18:34 ah screw it Aug 13 18:18:41 usernames are now id field Aug 13 18:18:48 okay, so you could just get the number before making the object for the thing you want to inser Aug 13 18:19:06 or am I missing something obvious? Aug 13 18:19:15 I tried that Aug 13 18:19:29 but as it was getting the field it just continued on and added the object Aug 13 18:19:45 right, you need to make the object to insert in the callback from getting the number Aug 13 18:20:05 yeah. Which is what I hate Aug 13 18:20:09 why? Aug 13 18:20:21 because Its a mountain range of code for that Aug 13 18:20:23 Literally Aug 13 18:20:35 callbacks are good for the soul Aug 13 18:20:45 Haffb_pre: I respect your work but I believe the majority of us here prefer it only be synced to our computers instead of a offsite server. Aug 13 18:20:47 break them out into their own handlers or something Aug 13 18:20:51 whatever it is calle3d Aug 13 18:20:54 named functions Aug 13 18:21:05 and I can't return a value easily with it through Aug 13 18:21:16 not immediately, that's true Aug 13 18:21:27 palmpreuser1001: there are already other solutions for that, Aug 13 18:21:37 I compensate in Mojo by doing all first scene pushing in the callback of my last db operation Aug 13 18:22:03 well, Its making it really hard to make a checkifuserexists function Aug 13 18:22:20 since I can't just go "is it there? cool, return true" Aug 13 18:22:29 can you not do some (do this sychronously) thing? Aug 13 18:22:33 so, you're saying TapNote is worth more because is doesn't sync to cloud...? Aug 13 18:23:40 not that I can find Aug 13 18:23:51 bbl Aug 13 18:24:29 Haeffb_pre: okay so maybe you can improve over the already available solutions for that. Instead why an offsite server unless you have a solution to back up the native palm webos app? Aug 13 18:24:35 halfhalo_class: what about passing in the function you want to call back after the user check succeeds? Aug 13 18:25:30 if (user exists) run this would be that pattern Aug 13 18:27:07 because Simplenote has clients for win, macOS, iPhone, android, and can be accessed from any browser. meaninig I can get to my data Aug 13 18:27:31 from practically anywhere on practically any platform Aug 13 18:27:47 from earlier: and the other apps which use simplenote will be able to access the notes Aug 13 18:29:06 that's what i usually do with callbacks .. eg. calendar.checkCalendar(this.checkCalendarSuccess); Aug 13 18:29:20 the parameter is the callback Aug 13 18:29:32 it's awesome :D Aug 13 18:29:36 awesome Aug 13 18:29:37 awesome is http://digitalpowers.com Aug 13 18:29:48 yeah, if I was only doing it for one, but I'm doing alot of validation. I think I have to fake it by having a "continue" var, so the function won't return anything until continue is true Aug 13 18:31:18 Ok I would start with anywhere between 1.99 to 2.49 for the app. But you need to add more screenshots of your demonstration. Aug 13 18:31:32 I don't know, I'd still try to cut down the mountain to as any generic pieces I needed, and then pass them as successive callbacks to each other as necessary Aug 13 18:31:40 Oh btw hire a designer with skills Aug 13 18:31:53 this.getNotes(this.gotNotes.bind(this))m Aug 13 18:32:17 thanks for the input. Aug 13 18:32:22 It would be a hugely long chain Aug 13 18:32:27 result=calendar.checkCalendar(thisCalendarSuccess); Aug 13 18:32:33 and result is true or false Aug 13 18:32:45 depending if the check was ok or not Aug 13 18:32:47 By then you may be able to up your orice to 3.49 to compete with other apps in the $4 range. Aug 13 18:33:19 how's Done! doing, btw? Aug 13 18:33:26 haeffb_pre: ^^^ Aug 13 18:33:28 bbl Aug 13 18:33:28 getuser->checkifuser->getapp->checkifapp->get preference->etc... Aug 13 18:34:08 that's just a matter of how many, the method is still valid (and preferred, I think?) Aug 13 18:34:37 yeah. I may go back and make it like that later, but for now, im not Aug 13 18:34:55 closing in on 1500 installs Aug 13 18:35:11 cool Aug 13 18:37:08 precentral makes me want to punch babies Aug 13 18:37:09 and.... not gonna work Aug 13 18:37:13 ah, screw it Aug 13 18:37:17 proper way it is Aug 13 18:37:22 join ussssss Aug 13 18:37:34 What the hell is this? Aug 13 18:37:43 command: /usr/bin/luna-send -n 6 luna://com.palm.appinstaller/installNoVerify '{"subscribe":true, "target": "/media/internal/.developer/org.webosinternals.speechd_0.7.1-1_arm.ipk", "uncompressedSize": 0}' 2>&1 Aug 13 18:37:44 turnValue":true , "ticket":4, "subscribed":true} Aug 13 18:37:46 et":4 , "status":"VERIFYING" } Aug 13 18:37:57 crack in JSON form? Aug 13 18:38:19 Ugh Aug 13 18:38:27 looks like something required by a PDK app Aug 13 18:38:34 is my guess Aug 13 18:38:41 you could ask in #webos-internals Aug 13 18:38:47 It won't install Aug 13 18:38:52 since it's referencing their package Aug 13 18:38:58 ok, how am I going to chain this... Aug 13 18:39:00 OH WAIT Aug 13 18:39:03 HOLY CRAP Aug 13 18:39:10 enlightenment? Aug 13 18:39:22 EMITTERS! Aug 13 18:39:57 emitters can let you keep the current object count, huh? Aug 13 18:39:58 wait.... Aug 13 18:40:01 never mind.... Aug 13 18:40:11 that makes it worse Aug 13 18:40:26 Yeah exactly I was going to Aug 13 18:40:32 I have 1.4.5 Aug 13 18:40:45 you could emit the total # of objects and eliminate that part :D Aug 13 18:41:02 I could, but I can't emit stuff to itself Aug 13 18:41:13 oh Aug 13 18:41:24 emit to something else? Aug 13 18:41:30 that, abd the complete userid list Aug 13 18:41:39 and whatever else you want to check for on use signup Aug 13 18:41:42 lets see.... I have one, two, three functions to chain to add a new user? Aug 13 18:42:00 that would eliminate a lot of checking in the signup process Aug 13 18:42:02 can someone tell me if navit is an internals project? Aug 13 18:42:06 it is Aug 13 18:42:29 any idea why it is in the widk? Aug 13 18:42:47 because... widk is an internals thing? Aug 13 18:42:57 that sounds good Aug 13 18:43:30 so to install the cross compiler I need to install all those? Aug 13 18:43:45 I have the register function which gets called, which then needs to call a checkemail and checkusername, and if those are good then addUser Aug 13 18:43:51 how the hell would I do that Aug 13 18:44:14 halfhalo_class: give me a minute Aug 13 18:45:33 register(checkemail(checkusername(addUser))) Aug 13 18:45:46 assumes each of those accepts a function to callback on success Aug 13 18:47:09 Ok so why isn't my webkit transition working.... Aug 13 18:47:16 you did it wrong Aug 13 18:47:26 Ares stopped you from doing it right Aug 13 18:47:30 it's Friday the 13th Aug 13 18:47:34 umm.... Aug 13 18:47:39 I give up Aug 13 18:47:45 why? Aug 13 18:48:39 oh, I know why....all transitions are on strike until PreCentral publishes my app Aug 13 18:50:36 .flickLeft{left: -400px; -webkit-transition: left 0.5s linear;} Aug 13 18:50:49 Minus the flickright Aug 13 18:50:56 Looks good right? Aug 13 18:51:17 Yet it refuses to move my list Aug 13 18:52:24 trying to understand.... Aug 13 18:53:00 ugg.. that means I can't reuse those functions in another chain... Aug 13 18:53:02 fffffffffffff Aug 13 18:53:07 so at some point you set class name flickLeft to left: 0px Aug 13 18:53:29 halfhalo_class: sure you can...each of those are their own functions Aug 13 18:53:33 That class is supposed to move my list -400 off the screen Aug 13 18:54:19 Anivrom|pre: I thought you had this working already? Aug 13 18:54:29 I hate this Aug 13 18:54:39 halfhalo_class: come on, you got this, man Aug 13 18:54:41 Huh? No I had fading working Aug 13 18:54:57 Deosnt seem to work for left Aug 13 18:54:58 It pisses me off Aug 13 18:55:06 DAMN NEW FANGLED TECHNOLOGY Aug 13 18:55:25 Anivrom|pre: check Inspector or whatever you use and see if the list has left set when it's "normal" Aug 13 18:55:33 or if it's computed Aug 13 18:55:41 that might make a difference *shrug* Aug 13 18:56:18 god... how am I going to pass variables through the chain sanely Aug 13 18:56:40 as...args...? Aug 13 18:56:46 halfhalo_class: you just write the functions generically, right...like checkEmail = function(email, callback) Aug 13 18:58:17 yeah, but if I'm chaining callbacks and go checkName(name,email,checkEmail(email,adduser(name,email)), then adduser will not get the name arg, will it? Aug 13 18:58:21 oh no, somebody killed dekan Aug 13 18:58:29 yay, dekan is back! Aug 13 18:59:16 dekan: bubblegum Aug 13 18:59:16 I came to kick ass and chew bubble gum...and it looks like I'm all out of gum Aug 13 18:59:23 yay, it's _our_ decan Aug 13 18:59:33 scoobysnack Aug 13 18:59:33 Scoobydoobeedoo! Aug 13 18:59:39 halfhalo_class: how about this...you create an object that you keep passing along the chain that has the pieces set at each stage, username, email, etc. Aug 13 18:59:43 he had a programming issue that was recently made known to me, so i fixed him :) Aug 13 18:59:52 * halfhalo_class cries Aug 13 18:59:53 * maik 's sql is strong Aug 13 19:00:05 sql-foo* Aug 13 19:00:10 :P Aug 13 19:00:24 check this out Aug 13 19:00:26 any ideas Aug 13 19:00:27 walk it into a wrench and try talking the shiny thing until it works Aug 13 19:00:38 oh well, time to wipe out mbp and reinstall Aug 13 19:00:40 dekan: what was that Aug 13 19:00:40 maik: That was 'any ideas' (#316): $verb it into a $noun and try $verbing the $adjective thing until it works; vars used: { 'adjective' => [ 'shiny' ], 'verb' => [ 'walk' ], 'noun' => [ 'a wrench' ], 'verbing' => [ 'talking' ]};. Aug 13 19:00:44 :D Aug 13 19:00:51 haha Aug 13 19:00:56 nice Aug 13 19:01:03 lol Aug 13 19:01:15 any ideas Aug 13 19:01:15 kiss it into a galaxy and try kissing the tangy thing until it works Aug 13 19:01:28 swisstomcat Aug 13 19:01:28 that IS a good idea Aug 13 19:01:28 swisstomcat drives a chevy to work Aug 13 19:01:42 dekan, what was that? Aug 13 19:01:43 Tibfib: That was 'swisstomcat' (#291): drives a $vehicle to work; vars used: { 'vehicle' => [ 'a chevy' ]};. Aug 13 19:02:30 woo Aug 13 19:03:21 I just grabbed my pre and tried to use it as a mouse Aug 13 19:03:22 any ideas Aug 13 19:03:22 walk it into a beef and try listenning the wonky thing until it works Aug 13 19:03:35 it has issues Aug 13 19:03:42 ISSUES! Aug 13 19:03:42 halfhalo_T400: when you pass a function as a callback arg, when you actually execute in the "outer" function, you can give it whatever args you like...and those args can be built from the args that were passed to the outer funvtion Aug 13 19:03:44 your mom has issues Aug 13 19:03:55 oh snap, really? Aug 13 19:04:11 Ok, I can work with that Aug 13 19:04:18 yeah, js scope ftw! Aug 13 19:04:30 Well, I _could_ if I wasn't reinstalling dev computer at work Aug 13 19:05:15 but you get the idea...now make it so Aug 13 19:05:30 hahah Aug 13 19:05:32 yo dawg Aug 13 19:05:32 yo dawg, I herd you like acid, so I put a battery in your acid so you can smash while you walk Aug 13 19:05:37 But... I'm on a windows computer... Windows don't like node Aug 13 19:05:46 the senselessness, it amuses me Aug 13 19:06:31 sup dawg Aug 13 19:06:31 sup dawg, I herd you like acorn, so I put a magic in your galaxy so you can walk while you smash Aug 13 19:06:38 linux does not like speechd Aug 13 19:06:39 :( Aug 13 19:06:43 dekan: what was that Aug 13 19:06:44 sugardave: That was 'sup dawg' (#323): sup dawg, I herd you like $noun, so I put an $noun in your $noun so you can $verb while you $verb; vars used: { 'verb' => [ 'walk', 'smash' ], 'noun' => [ 'acorn', 'a magic', 'galaxy' ]};. Aug 13 19:06:46 the amuselessness it senses me Aug 13 19:07:11 hmmm..can we add verbs, etc. Aug 13 19:07:12 ? Aug 13 19:07:13 sup dawg Aug 13 19:07:14 sup dawg, I herd you like factoid, so I put a cake in your bacon so you can listen while you shriek Aug 13 19:07:25 dekan: docs Aug 13 19:07:26 My documentation is at: http://wiki.xkcd.com/irc/Bucket Aug 13 19:07:28 sugardave: i.. think so Aug 13 19:08:04 though now that i think about it, probably not. it would be ripe for abuse Aug 13 19:08:16 i can add some, if you have requests Aug 13 19:09:52 Sugardave: I just thought of something, isn't there a way to make it minus whatever the current value is instead of setting it as the absolute value. In left property for instance? Aug 13 19:10:23 maik: there are thousands of possibilities...I'll start making a list :D Aug 13 19:10:32 Maybe that would work Aug 13 19:10:51 sugardave: hold off on that. his selection is randomly generated at start, and i think regenerated throughout the day Aug 13 19:10:57 Actuallt that would be bad. Aug 13 19:10:59 he's got a crapload of words in the DB Aug 13 19:11:13 you should add webOS words Aug 13 19:11:20 like? Aug 13 19:11:26 Webos Aug 13 19:11:28 mojo, sdk, emulator, etc Aug 13 19:11:34 Anivrom|pre: this.controller.get(element).style.left = this.controller.get(element).left - something; Aug 13 19:11:39 would do that, I think Aug 13 19:11:46 Tibfib: hmm, ok Aug 13 19:11:54 That's in code Aug 13 19:12:01 yes it is Aug 13 19:12:01 I need it ina style Aug 13 19:12:17 I'm using webkit transitions remmeber? Aug 13 19:12:18 can't do variables in css, I think Aug 13 19:12:21 so? Aug 13 19:12:35 I know, which is why I'm saying that won't work Aug 13 19:12:36 element.style.left will adjust the css style left Aug 13 19:12:47 pre, palm, pixi, C40, precentral, webosroundup, palmpad, sprint, verizon, ares Aug 13 19:12:47 dekan: add value noun Mojo Aug 13 19:12:47 Okay, maik. Aug 13 19:12:59 that's what .style is for Aug 13 19:13:09 There is a css shorthand that accomplishes this but I don't rmember Aug 13 19:13:30 dekan: add value noun SDK emulator Aug 13 19:13:30 Okay, maik. Aug 13 19:13:39 But .style isn't compatible with webkit I think Aug 13 19:13:41 are you saying that there is a way to put logic in CSS? Aug 13 19:13:44 heh, "SDK Emulator" Aug 13 19:13:54 dekan: undo last Aug 13 19:13:55 Sorry, maik, can't undo yet Aug 13 19:14:00 * maik pokes Aug 13 19:14:06 dekan, remove value noun SDK emulator Aug 13 19:14:07 Sorry, Tibfib, you don't have permissions to edit 'noun'. Aug 13 19:14:08 Logic yes, webkit animations no Aug 13 19:14:15 dekan, you're the devil Aug 13 19:14:15 Error 42: Factoid not in database. Please contact administrator of current universe. Aug 13 19:14:18 show me how to program logic in my css Aug 13 19:14:41 I meant .style = logic... Aug 13 19:14:43 Tibfib: i'll add these in his control channel for you Aug 13 19:14:44 like last night Aug 13 19:14:53 font-size: freaking-HUGE-man; Aug 13 19:15:04 how do I make freaking-HUGE-man in my css? Aug 13 19:15:08 I need to animate my list left 400 px... So webkit.. Aug 13 19:15:26 -webkit-transition is applied in your stylesheet Aug 13 19:15:40 if you adjust the left property via javascript it WILL trigger the webkit transition Aug 13 19:15:43 bank on it Aug 13 19:15:45 guaranteed Aug 13 19:16:44 Um last time I checked you had to create a webkit animation class and then .className = , if that's not the only way to do it let me know Aug 13 19:16:44 now Aug 13 19:17:07 if your div is not positioned properly, setting left might do jack shit Aug 13 19:17:21 Its a list Aug 13 19:17:38 I don't...I can put a webkit transition in my style sheet for opacity, for example Aug 13 19:17:48 And how could I position it incorectly; Aug 13 19:17:57 then in javascript, element.style.opacity = 0.5; Aug 13 19:18:00 I know... I do that Aug 13 19:18:05 it will webkit transition that Aug 13 19:18:13 okay, so wtf is this about an animation class? Aug 13 19:18:26 Can you paste some sample code? Aug 13 19:18:34 oh you mean css class Aug 13 19:18:35 I got it Aug 13 19:18:44 .flickLeft{left: -400px; -webkit-transition: left 0.5s linear;} Aug 13 19:18:48 Yea Aug 13 19:18:59 That's a class in my style sheet, Aug 13 19:19:11 I set class of list to tha Aug 13 19:19:15 .className = Aug 13 19:19:23 And it transitions to it Aug 13 19:19:32 Atleast for opacity it does Aug 13 19:19:32 first of all, I would make sure that whatever containing div my list is in can be moved via left/right, because if it's not position: fixed or absolute, I think you're screwed there Aug 13 19:19:38 then Aug 13 19:19:40 sup dawg Aug 13 19:19:41 sup dawg, I herd you like cake, so I put a Palm in your Pre so you can kiss while you sleep Aug 13 19:19:49 keke Aug 13 19:19:55 :D Aug 13 19:19:55 for that class, just have the -webkit-transition: piece Aug 13 19:20:08 Oh? I didn't think it mattered. Just thought the list would be moveable Aug 13 19:20:17 then in javascript when I want to move the list, element.style.left = -400px; Aug 13 19:20:40 I've had problems using top/bottom/left/right unless my divs are positioned absolute or fixed Aug 13 19:21:48 Oh... So if I set just a transition and no properties in my css class whenever I edit the attribute declared in the transition class it will transition there automagically? Aug 13 19:21:57 that's correct Aug 13 19:22:17 *that's what it's supposed to do Aug 13 19:23:24 Well that's handy Aug 13 19:23:30 but to your point...what you had should work, so I'm betting it's the whole left/right positioning issue I mentioned Aug 13 19:24:33 it has taken me a long time to figure out this div thing so that I can just do .scroller{height: 100%} and never care again Aug 13 19:25:21 hmm, that might classify as a stupid mojo trick Aug 13 19:26:26 Heh Aug 13 19:26:51 Ill try setting the container div of the list to absolute/fixed Aug 13 19:27:07 be advised it might totally trash your current layout Aug 13 19:27:12 good luck Aug 13 19:27:13 When I get home since internalz WON't SAVE Aug 13 19:27:13 :D Aug 13 19:27:24 Twitter exploded Aug 13 19:27:36 mine's working Aug 13 19:27:42 Its impossible to crash alayout using ares Aug 13 19:27:52 is that a challenge? Aug 13 19:27:56 Yes Aug 13 19:28:08 meh, maybe later :P Aug 13 19:28:15 any ideas Aug 13 19:28:15 walk it into a salami and try running the royal thing until it works Aug 13 19:28:25 Impossible meaning you can't fix it with a few drags Aug 13 19:28:25 * sugardave just learned about -webkit-marquee today. Aug 13 19:28:26 any ideas Aug 13 19:28:26 smash it into a factoid and try hugging the royal thing until it works Aug 13 19:28:44 sugardave: does it do what I think it does? Aug 13 19:28:56 and more importantly, does it work in webos? Aug 13 19:29:00 Tibfib: yes Aug 13 19:29:11 Tibfib: yes again Aug 13 19:29:11 that's right, plays clips of Marquee Mark's movies Aug 13 19:29:17 nice Aug 13 19:29:20 yes, it works fantastically Aug 13 19:29:30 even better on the device than the emu Aug 13 19:29:35 sugardave: you should snippet it on webos101 Aug 13 19:29:36 so don't be disappointed Aug 13 19:29:55 I will after I get it working how I want it Aug 13 19:30:09 because I've been using the mojo animate sample to marquee text... Aug 13 19:30:15 and that isn't very good Aug 13 19:30:20 Tibfib: it is dead simple Aug 13 19:31:07 I don't doubt you Aug 13 19:31:15 well maybe. Aug 13 19:31:18 sugardave: that was my goal when I was creating it. Glad tou like it. Aug 13 19:31:22 You * Aug 13 19:31:29 how do I change the style of an individual list item onTap? Aug 13 19:31:40 Formatters? Aug 13 19:31:41 Formatters is http://webos101.com/List#List_formatters Aug 13 19:31:43 Oh nvm Aug 13 19:32:11 oh, nevermind, I already do that. Aug 13 19:32:59 Tibfib: http://webos.pastebin.com/g2v7xyEX Aug 13 19:33:16 brilliant Aug 13 19:33:36 speed is in ms Aug 13 19:33:41 thanks, I'll have to implement that soon Aug 13 19:33:48 or some static values like slow, fast, etc. Aug 13 19:35:20 So it only marquees if the text is overflowed? Aug 13 19:35:42 I think so...I haven't explored any more options yet Aug 13 19:37:49 .addClassName() ? Aug 13 19:38:30 dekan, make me a sandwich Aug 13 19:38:30 That is not bananas Aug 13 19:38:44 mmm, fooood Aug 13 19:38:47 nom nom nom Aug 13 19:39:52 haeffb: what? Aug 13 19:40:14 divElement.addClassName the right way to add a class? Aug 13 19:40:20 yes Aug 13 19:40:31 not working fer me at the moment Aug 13 19:40:38 .removeClassName works Aug 13 19:40:45 which class is it? Aug 13 19:40:51 truncating-text Aug 13 19:40:52 your own Aug 13 19:40:53 ? Aug 13 19:40:55 okay Aug 13 19:41:01 .flickLeft{-webkit-transition: left 0.5s linear;} sugardave, so just set my classname in setup to flickleft and then whenever I wanna animate the list moving I put the value in and it will do it automatically. Have I grasped this complexity? Aug 13 19:41:52 http://www.pastie.org/1091015 Aug 13 19:41:53 haeffb: I think truncating-text only works with other specific classes Aug 13 19:41:57 hang on a sec Aug 13 19:42:22
Aug 13 19:42:30 Anivrom|pre: I think so...you will be setting element.style.left = -400px; or whatever Aug 13 19:42:38 want to remove/add truncating-text on a listTap event Aug 13 19:42:55 ah, so start with, and remove works Aug 13 19:43:02 yes Aug 13 19:43:05 but not have, and add to Aug 13 19:43:06 but I can't put it back Aug 13 19:43:10 toggleClassName("truncating-text") Aug 13 19:43:17 really? Aug 13 19:43:46 that'll take it if it's there, and add it if it's not... dunno if it'll work for you, havent paid enough attention Aug 13 19:43:50 well, I'll be Aug 13 19:43:55 awesome! Aug 13 19:43:56 awesome is codeslaw Aug 13 19:43:56 never seen that one Aug 13 19:44:03 sugardave: me either till someone pointed it out Aug 13 19:44:10 no, dekan, awesome it Tibfib Aug 13 19:44:17 s/it/is Aug 13 19:44:27 Haha Aug 13 19:44:35 Awesome Aug 13 19:44:35 Awesome is http://digitalpowers.com Aug 13 19:44:43 Dekan: awesome Aug 13 19:44:44 awesome is codeslaw Aug 13 19:44:52 awesome! Aug 13 19:44:52 no, Anivrom|pre, YOU'RE AWESOME! Aug 13 19:44:58 .... Aug 13 19:45:03 * Anivrom|pre blushes Aug 13 19:45:04 botsmack Aug 13 19:45:05 * dekan cowers Aug 13 19:45:33 so, instead of using drawers, I can just add/remove the truncating text to the note. Aug 13 19:45:45 ... the bot must be broken Aug 13 19:45:53 by now you all should know my opinion on drawers Aug 13 19:45:55 your proken Aug 13 19:46:03 broken Aug 13 19:46:05 THE LIES Aug 13 19:46:18 well, not actually using drawers, just show/hide another div Aug 13 19:46:18 * sugardave cheats with .hide() and .show() instead. Aug 13 19:46:38 * Mousey lol's Aug 13 19:47:13 * oil thinks sugardave has the right idea Aug 13 19:47:29 oil is biased Aug 13 19:47:32 ha Aug 13 19:47:37 since my idea is the exact same thing Aug 13 19:47:55 "oh, but sugardave's is SOOO much better..." Aug 13 19:48:01 lol Aug 13 19:48:29 it's okay...you get the PreCentral love Aug 13 19:48:36 true dat Aug 13 19:48:37 allk they have for me is hate Aug 13 19:48:39 haeffb does? Aug 13 19:48:43 Stupid mpb is slows Aug 13 19:48:48 Haha Aug 13 19:48:54 well, no actually I don't Aug 13 19:49:21 Dekan: sugardave is Gods gift to developers Aug 13 19:49:22 Okay, Anivrom|pre. Aug 13 19:49:29 Sugardave Aug 13 19:49:30 Sugardave is Gods gift to developers Aug 13 19:49:32 I think they actually meant to publish somebody else's app and accidentally got mine instead. Aug 13 19:49:40 lol Aug 13 19:50:11 i have to say Aug 13 19:50:21 yule log is probably the best webos app out there Aug 13 19:50:25 we might as well all stop developing Aug 13 19:50:44 dude has waited until the lat day of this project to start coming with the "oh how about this padding here...can we change the font size"....jesus, you've had this shit for a full week already Aug 13 19:50:45 >:) Aug 13 19:51:22 Yule Log is the fucking bomb Aug 13 19:51:22 Yule Log is fucking the bomb Aug 13 19:51:23 he hasn't had time to look at it before. now it's a priority. Aug 13 19:51:28 that's right dekan Aug 13 19:52:04 H Aug 13 19:53:00 Darnit with these premature enter keys. Not giving me a great irc experience Aug 13 19:53:29 irc needs a "do you want to send this message?" Aug 13 19:53:31 after every enter? Aug 13 19:53:37 It definitely was not good for me Aug 13 19:53:48 Yes please oil Aug 13 19:53:53 Link? Aug 13 19:53:54 lol Aug 13 19:54:25 Oil: Is it in preware yet? Aug 13 19:54:30 what? Aug 13 19:54:50 The updated wIRC with ente key confirmations... Aug 13 19:54:54 oh Aug 13 19:55:03 You telling me you haven't finised it yet? Aug 13 19:55:05 the only way i can make wirc better is to replace its ipk with yulelog's Aug 13 19:55:07 Wtf slacker Aug 13 19:55:12 xD Aug 13 19:55:15 lol Aug 13 19:55:19 get to work on short messages Aug 13 19:55:22 NA Aug 13 19:55:24 O Aug 13 19:55:33 short messages? Aug 13 19:55:47 short/quick Aug 13 19:55:55 I doubt you even wrote more than 10 lines of wirc with that kind of wrork ethic Aug 13 19:56:03 http://git.webos-internals.org/trac/wIRC/ticket/76 Aug 13 19:56:13 yes Aug 13 19:56:14 that Aug 13 19:56:15 do it Aug 13 19:56:20 Nao Aug 13 19:56:27 Or there will be blood Aug 13 19:56:29 I have to go cu all Aug 13 19:56:31 Sweat Aug 13 19:56:36 And definitely tears Aug 13 19:56:41 no sweat Aug 13 19:56:48 lots of AC in here Aug 13 19:57:06 if anything, icicles Aug 13 19:57:09 Actually, I think a gui should come later. something like mapped to a message would work Aug 13 19:57:14 that doesnt look spelt right Aug 13 19:57:21 Your fingers don't swear wheb you code? Mine practically flood my apt Aug 13 19:57:28 mp Aug 13 19:57:30 no* Aug 13 19:57:37 Sweat? Aug 13 19:57:39 Lol! Aug 13 19:57:50 Proof-read fail Aug 13 19:57:52 none of that either Aug 13 19:58:20 I got this bad bad habit of biting my nails when I code Aug 13 19:58:30 I bite them when I'm thinking. Aug 13 19:58:41 * oil doesnt bite his nails either Aug 13 19:58:52 i hit them with the dremel though Aug 13 19:58:56 I kill when I'm thinking Aug 13 19:59:21 I ponder when I'm thinking as well Aug 13 19:59:27 i think when i'm killing Aug 13 19:59:38 Or sometimes when I'm pondring, a little thought will slip out Aug 13 19:59:59 Like a toot Aug 13 20:00:08 :) Aug 13 20:00:19 lol Aug 13 20:00:28 Your a tool Aug 13 20:00:29 I do that too Aug 13 20:01:16 your good at deciphering the difference between you're and your Aug 13 20:01:46 Hmm dekan: anivrom Aug 13 20:01:56 My pinkie is frozen and dont work right. hence cant hit ' easily Aug 13 20:02:03 Dekan: anivrom Aug 13 20:02:03 anivrom hates ares Aug 13 20:02:07 haha Aug 13 20:02:12 O rly? Aug 13 20:02:18 Sugardave Aug 13 20:02:18 Sugardave is my arch-nemesis Aug 13 20:02:23 oil Aug 13 20:02:23 O rly Aug 13 20:02:25 Oil Aug 13 20:02:28 lol Aug 13 20:02:31 Haha owned Aug 13 20:02:35 * oil is good with that Aug 13 20:02:42 :( Aug 13 20:03:09 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WhoIsWho Aug 13 20:03:10 lol Aug 13 20:03:42 Oil Aug 13 20:03:50 lol Aug 13 20:03:54 Lol Aug 13 20:04:07 is '\n' in a string one char or two? Aug 13 20:04:07 Dekan smarten up and display my factiod you useless turd Aug 13 20:04:19 hey Aug 13 20:04:20 all Aug 13 20:05:27 Dekan die in a fire Aug 13 20:05:31 one Aug 13 20:05:37 crap, this isn't going to work Aug 13 20:05:49 1.5? Aug 13 20:05:51 Dekan: say something Aug 13 20:05:51 I cannot access that data. Aug 13 20:05:58 Fag Aug 13 20:06:06 oh Aug 13 20:06:33 You're such a cigarette dekan Aug 13 20:06:46 such a flaming bundle of sticks Aug 13 20:06:57 Right that one too Aug 13 20:07:12 Mmmn I could go for a cigar right now Aug 13 20:07:23 eww cigars Aug 13 20:07:31 Vanilla phillie Aug 13 20:07:43 Love em Aug 13 20:08:44 haeffb: what are you trying to do? Aug 13 20:08:59 Kill a baby seal Aug 13 20:09:15 with a linefeed? Aug 13 20:09:19 good luck Aug 13 20:09:29 just toggle truncated-text for my title/preview in the notes list Aug 13 20:09:52 toggle doesn't work? Aug 13 20:10:34 yeah, that works, but replacing \n with
, then every newline in the note is truncated-text instead of just the first Aug 13 20:10:51 but I need the
to get it to display formatted correctly Aug 13 20:13:01 so the note contents are children of the title element? Aug 13 20:13:12 siblings Aug 13 20:13:29
#{-titleFormatted}
Aug 13 20:13:30
#{-previewFormatted}
Aug 13 20:13:39 can you just put truncating-text on the title? Aug 13 20:13:44 I put everything up to the first \n in Title Aug 13 20:13:52 everything else in preview Aug 13 20:14:19 just take truncating text off of preview...or is that not what you are trying to do? Aug 13 20:14:21 \n doesn't display, but
does Aug 13 20:14:41 ok, long winded explanation coming.... Aug 13 20:14:47 * sugardave waits. Aug 13 20:15:02 start with both title and preview truncated-text so only one line for each Aug 13 20:15:13 aight Aug 13 20:15:25 on list-tap, I want to remove truncated-text so everything shows. I can do that. Aug 13 20:15:33 sure Aug 13 20:15:36 but, in the preview, it might contain multiple \n's Aug 13 20:15:49 which aren't rendered in the list items Aug 13 20:16:15 if I want the linefeeds, I have to replace(/\n/g, "
") Aug 13 20:16:35 if I do that with truncating-text, then all the lines in the preview show up, each truncated. Aug 13 20:16:49 but you removed truncating-text on tap Aug 13 20:16:58 before tap Aug 13 20:17:16 you lost me Aug 13 20:17:23 15:15 < haeffb> on list-tap, I want to remove truncated-text so everything shows. I can do that. Aug 13 20:17:25 instead of just the one (two, title & preview) truncated lines I get potentially bunches Aug 13 20:18:04 if my note is: "This is a title\nthis is a first line\nthis is a second line" Aug 13 20:18:39 if the preview div contains "this is a first line\nthis is a second line" and I use truncated-text I'd see Aug 13 20:19:05 this is a first line this is ... Aug 13 20:19:21 if I replace the \n with
Aug 13 20:19:28 this is a first... Aug 13 20:19:34 this is a sec... Aug 13 20:19:48 I see Aug 13 20:19:57 and you want this is a first... only Aug 13 20:20:13 right, until I tap and remove truncated-text, then I want everything Aug 13 20:20:18 okay Aug 13 20:20:18 with
's Aug 13 20:20:20 so Aug 13 20:20:29 you could do it with another formatter and re-render the list Aug 13 20:20:32 I have to replace the innerHTML Aug 13 20:20:56 i only want to expand/contract one note at a time Aug 13 20:21:21 well, I want a million dollars Aug 13 20:21:35 ask Palm. they gave me money yesterday Aug 13 20:21:49 chuqui: can I have a million dollars? Aug 13 20:21:54 but I CAN replace the innerHTML on each tap Aug 13 20:22:52 haeffb: okay, do that...cut the string off at the first \n or
convert it to which one you need and replace it Aug 13 20:23:37 yeah. then I need to keep track of whether it's expanded or not...it's getting complicateder Aug 13 20:24:29 sugardave yeah, after I get mine. Aug 13 20:24:36 sweet! Aug 13 20:24:47 always with the conditions, chuqui Aug 13 20:24:53 heck, Id din't even get anything out of the hot apps contest. Aug 13 20:25:06 and did developers remember their friends? Noooohhhhhhh.......... Aug 13 20:25:11 cuz you didn't toil away like us schmucks Aug 13 20:25:29 haeffb: it's as simple as adding/removing some bogus class name and checking it with .hasClassName() Aug 13 20:25:47 .hasClassName ('open') Aug 13 20:25:51 WITHOUT ME YOU'RE NOTHING! Aug 13 20:26:02 chuqui: I didn't participate, so I deserved what I got Aug 13 20:26:30 uh oh. the heat's finally getting to chuqui Aug 13 20:26:32 chuqui!! is the app upload process broken or just me? Aug 13 20:26:38 chuqui Aug 13 20:26:38 "LOOK, A PUPPY!!" Aug 13 20:27:42 there are issues in app submission. they're chasing them. Aug 13 20:30:18 chuqui! Aug 13 20:30:18 "LOOK, A PUPPY!!" Aug 13 20:30:45 yo, kesne Aug 13 20:31:04 chuqui: You should become a real-life superhero Aug 13 20:31:14 are there any precentral mods/admins in here? Aug 13 20:31:43 Yes sugardave an Aug 13 20:31:50 ? Aug 13 20:31:57 hah, fooled you...I CAN read Aug 13 20:31:57 kesne: I need to make sure I keep my own life working straight before straighening out others lives. Aug 13 20:32:14 Lol! Aug 13 20:32:29 dekan bow wow! grr. grrr. (damn thing just ate another slipper) Aug 13 20:32:36 Afternoon Aug 13 20:32:51 CTLAdvance Aug 13 20:32:52 CTLAdvance likes to eat. Aug 13 20:33:01 dekan: status report Aug 13 20:33:01 status report is all systems failing... OH CRAPPPPPPP! Aug 13 20:33:13 chuqui: http://www.worldsuperheroregistry.com Aug 13 20:33:35 * sugardave gives dekan a banjo Aug 13 20:33:36 * dekan is now carrying a banjo. Aug 13 20:33:44 ? Aug 13 20:33:47 dekan: inventory Aug 13 20:33:48 I am carrying a banjo. Aug 13 20:33:51 NOOOOOOO!!!!! Aug 13 20:33:55 who robbed dekan? Aug 13 20:33:57 what happened to the list Aug 13 20:34:07 he left... I bet he lost it then Aug 13 20:34:10 * CTLAdvance gives dekan some quad-ply toilet paper Aug 13 20:34:10 Okay, CTLAdvance. Aug 13 20:34:29 * kesne gives dekan a used condom. Aug 13 20:34:29 * dekan is now carrying a used condom. Aug 13 20:34:40 * sugardave gives dekan the Hoe of Destruction Aug 13 20:34:41 * dekan now contains the Hoe of Destruction. Aug 13 20:36:23 * kesne gives dekan sugardave Aug 13 20:36:24 Okay, kesne. Aug 13 20:36:36 * CTLAdvance gives dekan dekan Aug 13 20:36:36 Okay, CTLAdvance. Aug 13 20:36:43 * kesne gives dekan a wild chuqui. Aug 13 20:36:44 Okay, kesne. Aug 13 20:36:50 dekan: inventory Aug 13 20:36:51 I am carrying a banjo, some quad-ply toilet paper, a used condom, the Hoe of Destruction, sugardave, dekan, and a wild chuqui. Aug 13 20:37:12 * Anivrom|pre gives dekan The Sugardavian Guide to 'Stupid Mojo Tricks' Revized! Aug 13 20:37:13 * dekan now contains The Sugardavian Guide to 'Stupid Mojo Tricks' Revized. Aug 13 20:37:17 * CTLAdvance gives dekan the 4th and 5th dimmensions Aug 13 20:37:17 * dekan now contains the 4th and 5th dimmensions. Aug 13 20:37:39 * kesne gives dekan 42 Aug 13 20:37:39 * dekan now contains 42. Aug 13 20:38:00 * Anivrom|pre gives dekan 6-29th dimensions covered in dtring theory Aug 13 20:38:01 Okay, Anivrom|pre. Aug 13 20:38:12 Ffs Aug 13 20:38:14 * halfhalo gives dekan dekan Aug 13 20:38:15 But I've already got dekan! Aug 13 20:38:25 Gotta proofread before submitting items Aug 13 20:38:27 * CTLAdvance gives dekan an infinate mass where all possabilities happen all the time Aug 13 20:38:28 Okay, CTLAdvance. Aug 13 20:38:44 * CTLAdvance gives dekan clippy with spellcheck powers Aug 13 20:38:45 Okay, CTLAdvance. Aug 13 20:38:49 hahaha Aug 13 20:39:55 * Anivrom|pre gives dekan a Clippy Vapourising inverse matrix plasma cannon Aug 13 20:39:56 * dekan now contains a Clippy Vapourising inverse matrix plasma cannon. Aug 13 20:40:26 * CTLAdvance gives dekan the binary code to protect and immortalize clippy Aug 13 20:40:26 * dekan is now carrying the binary code to protect and immortalize clippy. Aug 13 20:40:31 \0/ Aug 13 20:40:39 works! Aug 13 20:40:51 woo! Aug 13 20:41:00 give dekan a headache Aug 13 20:41:01 * CTLAdvance gived dekan 0/ Aug 13 20:41:02 * Anivrom|pre gives dekan a binary reverse engineering program Aug 13 20:41:02 * dekan now contains a binary reverse engineering program. Aug 13 20:41:26 * CTLAdvance gives dekan a nuclear warhead pointed at those who want to kill clippy Aug 13 20:41:26 * dekan is now carrying a nuclear warhead pointed at those who want to kill clippy. Aug 13 20:41:41 Anivrom|pre: what is dtring theory? Aug 13 20:41:51 * sugardave gives dekan a towel Aug 13 20:41:52 * dekan now contains a towel. Aug 13 20:42:01 http://www.monocubed.com/?p=549 Aug 13 20:42:14 * Anivrom|pre gives dekan a 'force field' protecting all who are being wrongfully persecuted for hating clippy Aug 13 20:42:15 Okay, Anivrom|pre. Aug 13 20:42:15 kesne: make Dieter publish my app Aug 13 20:42:27 now to steal the icon from Tasks app... Aug 13 20:42:28 sugardave: what app? Aug 13 20:42:34 iHaveSpirit Aug 13 20:42:46 Deposit $50 into my paypal Aug 13 20:42:49 done Aug 13 20:42:55 Haha Aug 13 20:42:56 srsly Aug 13 20:43:00 check it after you get him to publish it Aug 13 20:43:12 I'll pass Aug 13 20:43:14 haeffb: don't want me to make one anynore? Aug 13 20:43:23 * CTLAdvance gives dekan an antimatter cannon to destroy force fields Aug 13 20:43:23 Okay, CTLAdvance. Aug 13 20:43:28 oh, yes. not THAT icon Aug 13 20:43:33 Pushing dieter to do shit == good way to piss him off. Aug 13 20:43:40 dekan is getting pretty powerful Aug 13 20:43:41 Use the contact form and bug them about it Aug 13 20:43:47 I did that already Aug 13 20:43:48 the "info" icon tasks uses to edit task details Aug 13 20:43:58 sugardave: Call him Aug 13 20:44:00 Anivrom|pre: you're still on deck Aug 13 20:44:09 I don't have his phone number Aug 13 20:44:11 Allright Aug 13 20:44:13 in the batters box Aug 13 20:44:19 waiting for the first pitch Aug 13 20:44:21 And that's supposed to be my fault, sugardave? Aug 13 20:44:22 here it comes....! Aug 13 20:44:32 kesne: why, yes! Aug 13 20:44:46 sugardave: If he didn't give it to you, he doesn't love you. Aug 13 20:44:51 kesne: it's dieter's job to publish homebrew apps Aug 13 20:45:04 sugardave: But really, just ask for his email/number that way you can bug him Aug 13 20:45:09 haeffb: yes, and? Aug 13 20:45:10 kesne: I know...people with German names hate me Aug 13 20:45:33 ok anivrom, lets check what actually looks like :) Aug 13 20:45:37 and he's not doing it in a timely fashion. thereby driving us all to become android/iPhone developers instead Aug 13 20:45:37 dekan: inventory Aug 13 20:45:38 I am carrying a banjo, some quad-ply toilet paper, a used condom, the Hoe of Destruction, sugardave, dekan, a wild chuqui, The Sugardavian Guide to 'Stupid Mojo Tricks' Revized, the 4th and 5th dimmensions, 42, 6-29th dimensions covered in dtring theory, an infinate mass where all possabilities happen all the time, clippy with spellcheck powers, a Clippy Vapourising inverse matrix plasma cannon, the binary code to protect and Aug 13 20:45:39 I have his email...I sent to there first..then the contact form and it was still him...then I pinged them on twitter Aug 13 20:45:52 oh well Aug 13 20:45:58 * kesne gives dekan Dieter Bohn Aug 13 20:45:58 * dekan is now carrying Dieter Bohn, but dropped a used condom. Aug 13 20:46:03 NOOOO! Aug 13 20:46:08 * kesne gives dekan a used condom. Aug 13 20:46:09 * dekan hands kesne a 'force field' protecting all who are being wrongfully persecuted for hating clippy in exchange for a used condom Aug 13 20:46:17 There we go Aug 13 20:46:20 * Anivrom|pre gives dekan giveAnivromAllItems: function() {anivrom.items = dekan.items; dekan.items = [];} Aug 13 20:46:20 * dekan is now carrying giveAnivromAllItems: function() {anivrom.items = dekan.items; dekan.items = [];}, but dropped Dieter Bohn. Aug 13 20:46:33 Hahah Aug 13 20:46:44 * kesne gives dekan Dieter Bohn. Aug 13 20:46:45 * dekan is now carrying Dieter Bohn, but dropped the Hoe of Destruction. Aug 13 20:46:55 dekan, inventory Aug 13 20:46:55 I am carrying a banjo, some quad-ply toilet paper, sugardave, dekan, a wild chuqui, The Sugardavian Guide to 'Stupid Mojo Tricks' Revized, the 4th and 5th dimmensions, 42, 6-29th dimensions covered in dtring theory, an infinate mass where all possabilities happen all the time, clippy with spellcheck powers, a Clippy Vapourising inverse matrix plasma cannon, the binary code to protect and immortalize clippy, a binary reverse e Aug 13 20:46:56 Muahaha now I own all Aug 13 20:47:16 * CTLAdvance gives dekan a nasty virus Aug 13 20:47:16 Hi everybody Aug 13 20:47:16 * dekan drops 42 and takes a nasty virus. Aug 13 20:47:25 hi Robdor Aug 13 20:47:26 sugardave: Haha, good way to really make him mad. There's not much I can really do. Aug 13 20:47:27 don't mind us Aug 13 20:47:30 hey Robdor Aug 13 20:47:32 I simply passed dekan an object which has a value of a function giving me all those powerdul items!!!! Aug 13 20:47:35 * kesne gives dekan 42 Aug 13 20:47:35 * dekan hands kesne 6-29th dimensions covered in dtring theory in exchange for 42 Aug 13 20:47:46 String theory Aug 13 20:47:47 Good, I never liked dtring theory Aug 13 20:47:52 Google it Aug 13 20:48:11 Difficult to explain on pre :P Aug 13 20:48:14 you mean that theory that was debunked? Aug 13 20:48:24 deuterium ring theory? Aug 13 20:48:54 No theory is debunked. They just become increasinly improbable the more evidence proves them wrong :) Aug 13 20:49:21 Anivrom|pre: I have a loose defenition of debunked. Aug 13 20:49:24 In my book, it is Aug 13 20:49:27 Arg Aug 13 20:49:35 I'm super duper hungry. Aug 13 20:49:39 Me want food! Aug 13 20:49:46 Good call. Aug 13 20:49:54 'all 'allo! Aug 13 20:49:55 * Anivrom|pre puts mini pizzas in nuker Aug 13 20:49:58 Feed me seymour! Aug 13 20:50:15 Aug 13 20:50:26 Mhmmm Aug 13 20:50:29 Weird movie Aug 13 20:50:34 Audrey II Aug 13 20:50:38 Surprizedbyou know it Aug 13 20:51:18 Man I had forgotten how epic tron was until last niht Aug 13 20:51:27 I've never seen tron Aug 13 20:51:32 that's a shame Aug 13 20:51:39 Dude Aug 13 20:51:49 how about Troff? Aug 13 20:51:52 did you see that one? Aug 13 20:51:58 sounds like a skin flick Aug 13 20:52:12 Die in a fire or watch it within the next 24 hours.... Your choice. Choose wisey Aug 13 20:52:12 Wisely Aug 13 20:52:32 * Anivrom|pre gives dekan tron Aug 13 20:52:33 * dekan is now carrying tron, but dropped dekan. Aug 13 20:52:40 Hmm Aug 13 20:52:52 Streets Of Fire == Amazing movie Aug 13 20:52:53 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGRN39oifsE Aug 13 20:53:00 Not related Aug 13 20:53:10 * sugardave would like to work on his app but knows as soon as he does the client is going to be back with yet another stupidly minor thing that could have easily been brought up in the last 7 days. Aug 13 20:54:56 I hate how wirc cuts off messages over a certain size Aug 13 20:54:58 hows the PDK hot apps going? Aug 13 20:55:39 Oil: make haste, fix the erronious behaviour Aug 13 20:55:52 Done yet? Aug 13 20:56:15 gives dekan kesne Aug 13 20:56:16 * dekan drops a Clippy Vapourising inverse matrix plasma cannon and takes kesne. Aug 13 20:56:32 CHUQ! Aug 13 20:56:35 HOW COULD YOU! Aug 13 20:56:37 tells dekan to put kesne in the freezer Aug 13 20:56:58 * kesne tells chuqui to use /me Aug 13 20:57:46 * Mousey uses me, gets nowhere Aug 13 20:58:04 oh, maybe I did the forum thread thing wrong...I don't have my own special vanity forum link Aug 13 20:58:16 Hmm Aug 13 20:58:19 I love this kid Aug 13 21:00:03 you have to request those, sugardave Aug 13 21:00:06 from.... Aug 13 21:00:08 .... Aug 13 21:00:12 ....wait for it.... Aug 13 21:00:15 .... Aug 13 21:00:24 * Anivrom|pre drum rolls Aug 13 21:00:31 no way Aug 13 21:00:37 well, that's right out Aug 13 21:00:44 Dun dun dunnnnnnnnnnn Aug 13 21:00:48 I don't know, was just making it up Aug 13 21:00:54 Anybody want to test my PDK game and give me a suggestion for a name? Aug 13 21:00:59 you have one Aug 13 21:01:10 Robdor Aug 13 21:01:13 Me? Aug 13 21:01:16 no Aug 13 21:01:19 haeffb: Aug 13 21:01:36 You have my email Aug 13 21:01:53 you want Robdor to call his game haeffb? Aug 13 21:02:01 Here's the beta link http://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=com.trackera.namemebeta Aug 13 21:02:03 wouldn't that be cool? Aug 13 21:02:30 Anivrom|pre: I think there are only 2 more levels since the last IPK. Sorry. :) Aug 13 21:02:41 Awwwwwwww Aug 13 21:03:13 haeffTron Aug 13 21:03:24 I named the app "name me", because I'm looking for help finding a name that doesn't suck. Precentral mentioned it in an article earlier today. I think that they think the name actually is name me beta. :) Aug 13 21:04:16 you mean someone is alive at PreCentral? Aug 13 21:04:22 they actually did something today? Aug 13 21:04:31 like a mod/admin type person? Aug 13 21:04:38 d'oh that was supposed to be a secret. :) Aug 13 21:05:12 gee, I wonder how messed up their Drupal is if it's this hard to look into the app submission queue every, I don't know, 36 hours or so Aug 13 21:07:15 night everyone Aug 13 21:08:02 that last one is pretty tricky Aug 13 21:08:20 there was also one where I just waited and the target eventually fell down on its own Aug 13 21:08:51 sugardave: yeah the one where it's stacked will do that sometimes. Aug 13 21:09:23 I have 52 more levels to build this week so I can get it submitted. Aug 13 21:10:25 it's a cool little game....not being inspired for names yet, though :D Aug 13 21:11:03 The name was originally Cannon Glow. That was until codeslaw laughed at it. Aug 13 21:11:55 Btw sugardave you can just open the chrome.js file that ares makes and edit it, which looks exactly like your straight mojo setupWidget methods. Maybe you should look into it Aug 13 21:11:58 Jus sayin Aug 13 21:12:28 For each scene that is Aug 13 21:12:33 hmm http://www.palmsweepstakes.com/pixi_sweepstakes.html Aug 13 21:12:37 In the views folde Aug 13 21:12:46 it doesn't say it's over. Aug 13 21:12:48 oh no, GOPUSA is telling me that if prop 19 in CA passes, that all states are going to forfeit billions in federal revenue and my anesthesiologist is going to be high when they put me under Aug 13 21:13:59 Tibfib: random... is that an official palm sweepstake Aug 13 21:14:13 Anivrom|pre: why would I do that when I can just look in the various assistant files where my code should be? Aug 13 21:14:26 * Tibfib is going to enter Aug 13 21:14:29 dohtem: yeah Aug 13 21:14:47 Cause then you can harness the power of.... Aug 13 21:14:51 Wait for it..... Aug 13 21:15:10 A....R....E....S Aug 13 21:15:18 Dun dun doooooone Aug 13 21:15:25 Tibfib: "ends 11:59:59 PM ET on November 13, 2009" Aug 13 21:15:32 * Tibfib was able to enter Aug 13 21:15:43 dohtem: I saw that :) Aug 13 21:15:54 it's like not being able to charge for beta apps Aug 13 21:15:57 yet you can Aug 13 21:16:01 lol Aug 13 21:16:26 Anivrom|pre: and what does that do for me except give me a horizontal layout box (I already know how to do that one :P ) Aug 13 21:17:51 Negative, which ironically is what you are right now. Turn that frown upside down sugardave Aug 13 21:18:01 Its a new day Aug 13 21:18:07 Don't live in the past Aug 13 21:18:13 Accept the future Aug 13 21:18:19 The future is.... Aug 13 21:18:23 Wait for it.... Aug 13 21:18:27 webOS 2.0 and node.js Aug 13 21:18:30 A...R...E...S Aug 13 21:18:34 Wrong! Aug 13 21:18:35 can't wait to see you writing node.js in Ares Aug 13 21:18:42 that ought to be pretty funny Aug 13 21:18:56 Won't change a thing. Ares is capable of full js code.... Aug 13 21:19:04 How would it be any different? Aug 13 21:19:45 Me coding in node in ANY ide ought to be pretty funny Aug 13 21:19:48 :P Aug 13 21:20:02 okay, let me put it to you this way Aug 13 21:20:28 I would rather slice out my lungs with a plastic spoon than use Ares widgets for my web services Aug 13 21:20:31 how about that Aug 13 21:20:31 * Anivrom|pre sits down Aug 13 21:20:32 ? Aug 13 21:21:05 I need to be able to QUICKLY and EFFICIENTLY find the parts of Mojo that suck in my app and bend them to my will Aug 13 21:21:06 Now now sugardave, no need to get offensive, we can all be friends right? Aug 13 21:21:26 not have to dig through YET ANOTHER abstraction of what should be right in fornt of me already Aug 13 21:21:42 * Anivrom|pre hides knife behind back Aug 13 21:23:34 they say there is some magic occuring that will make me eat my words...we'll see if that day comes Aug 13 21:23:37 :P you're so cute when you're mad Aug 13 21:23:44 lmao Aug 13 21:23:54 Lol! Aug 13 21:24:28 You hate it like it killed your brother :P Aug 13 21:25:09 it's trying to kill the grasp I have on how all this works Aug 13 21:25:18 how does ares handle multi-stage apps? Aug 13 21:25:18 Lol Aug 13 21:25:40 Haven't got that far yet but it would be the same as straight moj Aug 13 21:25:43 option: auto add time/datestamp to new notes. yes or no? Aug 13 21:25:50 All ares does is put a face to the code Aug 13 21:26:02 haeffb: as an option, yes Aug 13 21:26:20 Already have buttons to add them in manually Aug 13 21:26:37 option=yes, hide buttons Aug 13 21:26:50 could do that... Aug 13 21:30:02 so...functions differently now. tap on note to expand/contract, tap on icon to edit note. Aug 13 21:30:30 I think that's a better $0.20 Aug 13 21:30:49 any word on 1.4.5.1 on vzw? Aug 13 21:38:14 Style.left = -400px; or style.left = "-400";? Aug 13 21:38:24 Px on last one too Aug 13 21:39:05 * haeffb can't get my scene to use palm-dark Aug 13 21:41:02 do I need somthing in app-info? Aug 13 21:43:43 Templarian Aug 13 21:43:47 Anivrom|pre: string '400px'; Aug 13 21:44:01 er '-400px'; Aug 13 21:44:17 or -400 + 'px': Aug 13 21:44:22 or -400 + 'px'; Aug 13 21:44:27 is what I meant Aug 13 21:44:30 haeffb: you need to add to the body .palm-dark Aug 13 21:44:34 well the class palm-dark Aug 13 21:45:02 haeffb: changing the body class always worked for me. Aug 13 21:45:44 I just added a parent
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Aug 13 21:45:54 hey, how do i upgrade my friend's phone from 1.4.11 to 1.4.5? Aug 13 21:45:58 some stuff didn't take the theme, though. Aug 13 21:46:03 so I've punted Aug 13 21:46:04 which clock is wrong? Aug 13 23:13:51 hey guys, i paid this guy to make my icon Aug 13 23:13:59 can you guys give some feedbacks on first draft? Aug 13 23:14:00 https://sites.google.com/site/nyceane2/peterdraft1.jpg Aug 13 23:14:17 neither is wrong, they're just different Aug 13 23:14:23 I am not clicking on a link to a .jpg with the word 'peter' in it Aug 13 23:14:24 Nyceane: better than any POS I can make Aug 13 23:14:34 lol =) Aug 13 23:14:34 sugardave: tis safe Aug 13 23:14:52 I stole first icon from him, but as more publicity I am getting, I dont want to get sued Aug 13 23:15:07 Why is there notebook paper in the background? Aug 13 23:17:38 haeffb: which one is in the future? and is the differential always the same? Aug 13 23:17:59 sugardave: will vary depending on device, I'd imagine Aug 13 23:18:20 network time is network time except when it isn't? Aug 13 23:18:27 which network? Aug 13 23:18:46 right... Aug 13 23:18:53 sprint, verizon, at&t, orange, bell... who knows. Aug 13 23:19:11 Mojo is kicking my ass Aug 13 23:19:14 but it may be some other bug. This note was modifed tomorrow morning at 6am. Aug 13 23:19:25 you could use a 3rd-party to check time, but that is rife with problem areas Aug 13 23:19:25 ...that doesn't seem right... Aug 13 23:19:39 haeffb: you have invented a time machine! Aug 13 23:19:40 getting some screencaps for my article on wIRC. anybody wana say something for the pic :-) Aug 13 23:19:44 is there any way to stop orientation detection while in a full screen app where i've explicitly set the orientation? Aug 13 23:19:59 every time the screen rotates there's a visible pause in animation Aug 13 23:20:01 say something Aug 13 23:20:01 Something! Aug 13 23:20:17 :p Aug 13 23:20:42 say wirc is the bomb Aug 13 23:20:42 Wirc is the bomb! Aug 13 23:20:46 maik: you could try making a blank Assistant.prototype.orientationchange function Aug 13 23:20:56 dekan: inventory Aug 13 23:20:57 ACTION contains a banjo, some quad-ply toilet paper, sugardave, a wild chuqui, The Sugardavian Guide to 'Stupid Mojo Tricks' Revized, the 4th and 5th dimmensions, an infinate mass where all possabilities happen all the time, clippy with spellcheck powers, the binary code to protect and immortalize clippy, a binary reverse engineering program, a nuclear warhead pointed at those who want to kill clippy, a towel, an antimatter Aug 13 23:21:35 maik: it doesn't require a listener or anything Aug 13 23:21:37 it just is Aug 13 23:23:22 Wirc sux Aug 13 23:24:04 argh, emulator isn't starting up, it's just stuck Aug 13 23:24:10 sugardave: it just is what? Aug 13 23:24:15 there Aug 13 23:24:29 like say you wanted to do something on orientation change Aug 13 23:24:29 maik: Mine too Aug 13 23:24:38 you might THINK you'd need an event listener Aug 13 23:24:43 but you don't Aug 13 23:25:05 oh, so just put the function there and call it good? Aug 13 23:25:05 you just need Assistant.prototype.orientationchange function, it's called automatically Aug 13 23:25:09 yeah Aug 13 23:25:41 so I'm wondering if you have one that doesn't do anything, or maybe put an event.stop/stopPropagation in there it might help Aug 13 23:26:05 you sure that's the name of it? Aug 13 23:26:09 yep Aug 13 23:26:19 well, hold on Aug 13 23:27:02 there's this: http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1554 that mentions orientation events Aug 13 23:27:17 maik: sorry Aug 13 23:27:24 orientationChanged Aug 13 23:27:36 I was thinking of the event string if you did set a listener Aug 13 23:28:01 gotcha, thanks Aug 13 23:28:05 np Aug 13 23:31:42 FINALLY! Aug 13 23:31:51 what? Aug 13 23:31:54 I got it to work Aug 13 23:32:01 bullshit Aug 13 23:32:09 true story bro Aug 13 23:32:19 oh...what is it? Aug 13 23:32:24 brool story co Aug 13 23:33:01 but really Aug 13 23:33:05 I got an inbox working Aug 13 23:34:43 sugardave: there's no way to get the event to do a event.stop/stopPropagation though without listening for it, right? Aug 13 23:34:57 well, I think this one is special Aug 13 23:35:15 orientationChanged is always called on orientation change if you are listening for it or not Aug 13 23:35:56 how do i get the event object then? because i think orientationChanged only gets the name of the orientation Aug 13 23:36:19 oh...hmmm, let me look at my code Aug 13 23:36:49 I've only recently started messing with orientation changes at all Aug 13 23:36:59 ah Aug 13 23:38:58 yeah, I'm not looking at event at all in my code...but I think I remember "event" only had a couple of properties when I was testing it originally Aug 13 23:39:08 if you do put a listener on it, you'll get the whole thing Aug 13 23:39:21 and just the same handler Aug 13 23:40:30 ok cool Aug 13 23:41:41 now I have to pull in that code to look again.... :P Aug 13 23:45:21 bah, doesn't seem to make a difference at all Aug 13 23:45:31 timezones & GMT confuse me Aug 13 23:45:46 Lulzors Aug 13 23:45:56 Who died Aug 13 23:49:25 Our Akita Aug 13 23:49:46 What now in the whatwhat Aug 13 23:49:54 sorry, that was a RENT reference Aug 13 23:50:19 maik: oh yeah, that's just a string, my bad Aug 13 23:50:25 Ah Aug 13 23:55:45 i forget, how do you see app logs on the deivce? Aug 13 23:55:48 device Aug 13 23:56:31 you gotta use mojo-log to set the log level Aug 13 23:56:42 but where do they show up? Aug 13 23:56:48 in /var/log/messages Aug 13 23:56:52 i thought i had to tail /var/log/messages or something like that, it's been a long time Aug 13 23:56:54 oh good Aug 13 23:57:06 but it's easier to use palm-log once the level is set right Aug 13 23:58:30 I mean you gotta use palm-log to set the level and then also again to view the log output of a particular appid Aug 13 23:58:36 not mojo-log Aug 13 23:58:40 oh, ok Aug 14 00:00:28 night all. have a good weekend Aug 14 00:00:32 c ya Aug 14 00:02:04 Yarg Aug 14 00:12:23 I'm out Aug 14 00:12:23 bbl Aug 14 00:41:39 uggggg Aug 14 00:41:59 1600 for car repairs... Aug 14 00:44:29 ouch Aug 14 00:44:35 sorry bro Aug 14 00:44:36 I fell your pain. Our cars are needing repairs pretty much every month now. I guess it's better than having car payments though Aug 14 00:44:55 feel* Aug 14 00:45:43 * dohtem had to pay for a rebuilt engine after my catalytic converter went to hell and ruined my engine. Aug 14 00:46:27 dang Aug 14 00:49:26 funkatron! Aug 14 00:49:32 yellow Aug 14 00:49:58 * dohtem unleashes the beast all over funkatron Aug 14 00:50:06 whoa Aug 14 00:50:06 hoboy Aug 14 00:50:33 that's off the chain Aug 14 00:50:34 http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n122/offthachainrec/Logo.jpg Aug 14 00:50:38 what's the license for the source code for spaz for webos ? Aug 14 00:50:45 New BSD Aug 14 00:50:53 ah, thanks. Aug 14 00:51:11 You solved a problem with menus i have been having Aug 14 00:51:21 http://github.com/funkatron/spaz-webos/blob/master/LICENSE.txt Aug 14 00:51:29 awesome Aug 14 00:51:30 awesome is awesome! Aug 14 00:51:36 indeed Aug 14 00:51:43 meh.. i was looking at readme.md Aug 14 00:51:55 tired eyes Aug 14 01:04:21 wow, this jambool thing looks interesting Aug 14 01:09:56 You only hear about cool startups when Google has acquired them. Aug 14 01:10:07 * sugardave signed up. Aug 14 01:10:25 maybe I'll have a good idea for using it one day Aug 14 01:12:06 fyi, lightroom 3 and ps5 is 89 right now for students Aug 14 01:13:37 they have no javascript Aug 14 01:13:40 ... Aug 14 01:16:37 hey all Aug 14 01:24:54 oh, I see...they require a postback handler...tricky Aug 14 01:24:57 hi bhodder Aug 14 01:25:23 hi sugardave Aug 14 01:30:30 god, these ps versions are cwazy Aug 14 01:31:50 working on getting my cross compiler done Aug 14 01:45:29 woo, I solved the attention whore problem Aug 14 01:45:51 no you didn't Aug 14 01:46:31 did-int* Aug 14 01:48:30 good evening everyone Aug 14 01:48:40 uggg Aug 14 01:48:50 gotta turn wifi on for scanner Aug 14 01:49:12 halfhalo-final: PS5 for 89 bucks? is it full version? Aug 14 01:49:45 Its only Lightroom 3 for 89. PS5 Extended is 199 Aug 14 01:50:41 oh ok, was gonna say i know academic software is discounted, but 199 is still pretty good Aug 14 01:58:01 sugardave: finally got my widk installed and ready Aug 14 02:02:04 Wow that's good news Aug 14 02:03:10 ya Aug 14 02:03:41 now to get started :) Aug 14 02:06:04 Um I wanted to say something off topic Aug 14 02:06:33 I really missed mozilla firefox now that I'm using google chrome Aug 14 02:07:09 I wish there was an easier porting of firefox to palm pre Aug 14 02:07:52 bhodder: nice, looking forward to your installation tutorial :D Aug 14 02:08:08 sure thing Aug 14 02:08:08 so, i need to save all my timestamps in GMT Aug 14 02:08:16 Alladin..r you there? Did you bring your genie...? *pooooof* Aug 14 02:08:56 there are several packages that you end up having to move Aug 14 02:13:32 Bob Chatter Lite released Free and in Beer! http://uoid.me/bc2 Aug 14 02:13:46 Free and = Free as Aug 14 02:21:18 haeffb: what about a post it theme? Aug 14 02:21:42 orange post it note... Aug 14 02:22:56 kinda already been done by memos Aug 14 02:23:16 I gotta restart. Let me know when you see a google voice app in the repository. Brb Aug 14 02:38:55 haeffb: you want an orange colour? Aug 14 02:39:06 and do you want Noted! on there? Aug 14 02:47:58 I think we have a security breach in one of gamelofts games n.o.v.a. Make no mistake about but how do multiplayer find a way to cheat? Aug 14 02:48:52 No aim you just spray guns from a distance and I'm already dead. By time I respawn I'm dead already..wtf? Aug 14 02:49:36 doesn't have to be orange, and no noted on it. Needs to scale from 64x64 to 32x32 well Aug 14 02:49:39 really Aug 14 02:49:44 yikes Aug 14 02:50:00 haeffb: you've got mail Aug 14 02:50:26 That didn't happen until one guy name mexicutioner came and started killing everybody so he got all the kills and everybody else not even earned at least 1 kill since he came on! Aug 14 02:51:00 you said you wanted it simple :P that's what I shot for Aug 14 02:51:01 That's some bullshit do anybody experience that befor? Aug 14 02:51:28 Hello! Any nova gamers on here? Aug 14 02:51:34 apparently not Aug 14 02:52:22 Ugh! I know there's a hack somewhere Aug 14 02:52:36 I dont have noa Aug 14 02:52:38 nova Aug 14 02:53:19 what is nova? Aug 14 02:53:25 fps for pre Aug 14 02:53:27 ... Aug 14 02:53:30 kinda like halo Aug 14 02:54:12 oh Aug 14 02:54:45 really Aug 14 02:54:47 :) Aug 14 02:54:51 is it on preware Aug 14 02:54:55 its in catalog Aug 14 02:55:00 Yes, I like it a lot! Aug 14 02:55:07 the icon? Aug 14 02:55:13 or nova Aug 14 02:55:14 lol Aug 14 02:55:26 icon. don't do nova. :) Aug 14 02:55:53 ah, dont usually get that kinda reponse from clients on the first go so I wasn't sure :P Aug 14 02:56:00 or that kinda response Aug 14 02:56:40 no, it's clean, simple. Love it. Aug 14 02:56:42 Well at least somebody finally know what nova is.. Aug 14 02:57:01 you think the lines should stand out a little more and extend to the bottom? Aug 14 02:58:16 gradient and drop shadow, what more do you need? Right kesne? Aug 14 02:58:18 I swear nova is some cheating bastards out there. This is worst than overclocking.. It's CHEATING. THEY DIDN't EVEN AIM AT ME. AND I BE DEAD JUST LIKE THAT Aug 14 02:58:22 maybe it's lag Aug 14 02:58:28 maybe it's the dev :P Aug 14 02:58:32 maybe you're a baddie palmpreuser1001 Aug 14 02:58:34 :P Aug 14 02:59:19 sugardave: trying your little absolute trick now. will let you know when you're wrong Aug 14 02:59:23 Should be soon Aug 14 02:59:26 roger Aug 14 02:59:39 for the record, I said absolute or fixed Aug 14 02:59:41 Anivrom{devMode}: no, I think it's good. Aug 14 02:59:48 alright **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Aug 14 02:59:57 2010