**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Aug 14 02:59:57 2010 Aug 14 03:00:00 Anivrom{devMode}: no sir I'm honest if you add me airmax1 you can look at my rank. I'm no sucker. Aug 14 03:00:21 oh, sugardave: wth is the iHaveSpirit icon? Aug 14 03:00:31 lol Aug 14 03:00:34 its a megaphone Aug 14 03:00:43 I got skills. But these bastards got hacks.. Now I wanna know how they do it! Aug 14 03:00:44 apparently symbolizing sporting events Aug 14 03:01:01 is it up? Aug 14 03:01:02 LoneStar99: Hey Aug 14 03:01:10 no, it's on my emu Aug 14 03:01:13 oh Aug 14 03:01:21 yeah, megaphone, two pom-poms Aug 14 03:01:21 sugardave: apparently you were right. Thanks! Aug 14 03:01:25 What are you guys talking about? Aug 14 03:01:28 I changed conatiner div to absolute Aug 14 03:01:43 ta-da Aug 14 03:01:44 aaaaand my layout never flinched :D Aug 14 03:01:49 gogo gadget ares Aug 14 03:02:00 I played long enough multiplayer games to tell if there's a hack or not Aug 14 03:02:13 What are you folks talking about? Aug 14 03:02:22 four different things Aug 14 03:02:39 nova, noted icon, iHaveSpirit icon and Anivrom's game Aug 14 03:02:50 kesne: keep up Aug 14 03:03:02 What is Nova? Aug 14 03:03:06 Nova = webOS Aug 14 03:03:07 wow Aug 14 03:03:13 how does anyone not know nova Aug 14 03:03:35 the game? Aug 14 03:03:36 its only the premiere fps Aug 14 03:03:39 on webos Aug 14 03:03:40 Oh Aug 14 03:03:45 I have it Aug 14 03:03:46 besides that new ww2 one Aug 14 03:03:50 Bought it the day it came out Aug 14 03:03:53 nice Aug 14 03:03:57 I thought we were talking nova as in webOS Aug 14 03:03:59 still debating Aug 14 03:04:03 Anivrom{devMode}: lol that's what I'm saying Aug 14 03:04:04 we are Aug 14 03:04:06 ... Aug 14 03:04:08 I said that Aug 14 03:04:19 sugardave: this.controller.get("scrollerVitamins").style.left = "+400px"; Aug 14 03:04:32 do I need the+ to get it back to where it was before -400px Aug 14 03:04:40 no, they're absolute values Aug 14 03:04:45 oh I see Aug 14 03:04:46 er not absolute Aug 14 03:04:53 but literally where you want them Aug 14 03:04:56 ok Aug 14 03:04:57 great Aug 14 03:05:00 that simplifies it Aug 14 03:05:04 oh yeah Aug 14 03:05:06 left = 0 Aug 14 03:05:08 done Aug 14 03:05:19 0px Aug 14 03:05:41 You mean boa2 Aug 14 03:06:08 I bought boa part 1 and 2 and both of em sucks. Aug 14 03:06:33 I only like sandstorm and nova.. Those 2 games I'm really good at Aug 14 03:07:31 I practically bought all of gameloft's games Aug 14 03:08:28 Hey Aug 14 03:08:30 That reminds me Aug 14 03:08:38 Anybody use this POS chat thing Bobchatter? Aug 14 03:08:43 LoneStar99 made it Aug 14 03:08:44 lol Aug 14 03:08:46 I've used it Aug 14 03:08:56 It sux Aug 14 03:08:56 LoneStar99 is in the room you know Aug 14 03:09:10 yes Aug 14 03:09:18 I even used tab completion on his name Aug 14 03:09:26 alot of blood sweat and tears went into it. atleast respect that Aug 14 03:09:34 and give positive criticism Aug 14 03:09:52 Here Aug 14 03:09:58 I have the program Aug 14 03:09:59 It isn't as bad as Anivrom's app Aug 14 03:10:07 nothing is really Aug 14 03:10:08 ... Aug 14 03:10:30 * oil ordered one of those sharpie pencils xD Aug 14 03:10:36 So you still on schedule? Aug 14 03:10:44 nah prolly end of weekend Aug 14 03:10:51 if I can refrain of irc Aug 14 03:10:57 Hehe Aug 14 03:10:58 its called /quit Aug 14 03:11:02 unplug network cable Aug 14 03:11:08 toss router into the yard Aug 14 03:11:15 Oil: I use ares, I need network cable :P Aug 14 03:11:16 I finally got Checkers Chat PM Inbox working Aug 14 03:11:34 I see no point of bobchatter hmm.. Other than wanting to waste money bobchatter would be a good use for that Aug 14 03:11:54 He put a lot of time into it Aug 14 03:12:10 Where is rwhitby to complain when I need him Aug 14 03:12:43 palmpreuser1001: There is no reason, really. It's a nice idea, but nobody uses it. Aug 14 03:12:59 palmpreuser1001: what do you think of Yule Log? Aug 14 03:13:24 well... it would be great if the ui was more streamlined Aug 14 03:13:32 True Aug 14 03:13:42 then it would get some users. and apprently it has multiple threading capabilities Aug 14 03:13:45 * Anivrom|devMode checks the manual Aug 14 03:13:47 ah yes Aug 14 03:13:51 Yeah Aug 14 03:13:57 Allows you to talk to the same person in multiple convos Aug 14 03:14:09 But so lots and lots and lots of other messenging thingys Aug 14 03:14:28 but they dont have the word bob in the name, so basically useless Aug 14 03:14:49 Thanks for the input. Aug 14 03:15:07 What about the 10 dollar messenger app Aug 14 03:15:10 palmpreuser1001: anytime, you know I love you Aug 14 03:15:17 What's it called...again? Aug 14 03:15:20 Agile!!!! Aug 14 03:15:21 agile is apparently not bad Aug 14 03:15:33 Anyone tried agile? Aug 14 03:15:34 but tibfib has mojo messenger up in beta and thats promising Aug 14 03:15:37 as a pre to pre thing Aug 14 03:16:01 erm webos to webos Aug 14 03:16:19 I don't use MM Aug 14 03:16:31 I'm consitering developing a competitor. Aug 14 03:16:32 Nor me but I will start to when more ppl get into it Aug 14 03:16:43 maybe you should consider it instead? Aug 14 03:16:58 Nah Aug 14 03:17:04 oh.. Aug 14 03:17:05 :( Aug 14 03:17:12 Checkers Chat has potential Aug 14 03:17:21 Though it wasn't built for that type of thing Aug 14 03:17:22 potentially FAILING :P Aug 14 03:17:24 i kid Aug 14 03:17:26 I'd have to rewrite most of it Aug 14 03:17:33 Lucky him, I'm lazy Aug 14 03:17:40 LOL Aug 14 03:17:47 otherwise you'd put him outta business? Aug 14 03:17:54 yeah, the world needs yet another incompatible messaging protocol ... Aug 14 03:18:01 I'm sure he'd have a few words to say on the contrary Aug 14 03:18:11 Ah, theres rwhitby. Aug 14 03:18:21 rwhitby: Checkers Chat couldn't use anything else Aug 14 03:18:45 rwhitby: I had a really good idea of using checkers to manage all KSO-releated things in other apps Aug 14 03:18:55 AKA, cross-app scene push Aug 14 03:19:07 webkit transitions = no hardware excelleration? Aug 14 03:19:09 To login and pass back the creds to the app Aug 14 03:19:13 Anivrom|devMode: not yet Aug 14 03:19:18 boo hiss Aug 14 03:19:31 rwhitby: yay or nay? Aug 14 03:20:26 Anivrom{devMode}: anytime, um.. Mucho amor you too Aug 14 03:20:47 :P Aug 14 03:20:47 http://failblog.org/2010/08/13/epic-fail-photos-paint-job-win/ Aug 14 03:22:26 Kesne: never heard of it Aug 14 03:22:35 palmpreuser1001: of what? Aug 14 03:22:54 Yule log Aug 14 03:23:04 palmpreuser1001: neither have I? Aug 14 03:23:11 palmpreuser1001: There is no reason, really. It's a nice idea, but nobody uses it. Aug 14 03:24:03 Say what? Aug 14 03:24:03 What! Aug 14 03:24:25 palmpreuser1001: what do you think of Yule Log? Aug 14 03:24:38 I'm not sugardave Aug 14 03:24:50 My bad not you it was sugardave Aug 14 03:25:05 Yeah aw dang I'm really slow sorry Aug 14 03:25:54 I'm writing a song about a paperclip Aug 14 03:26:27 My daughter is 2 and half weeks and she laying in bed besides me I got distracted. Anyway what is yule log by the way? Aug 14 03:26:52 awwww Aug 14 03:26:56 healthy? Aug 14 03:27:03 I was just wondering what you ranked it compared to something like bobchatter on a scale of worthlessnes Aug 14 03:27:13 more worthless Aug 14 03:27:15 Of course! She is sleeping.. Aug 14 03:27:16 less worthless Aug 14 03:27:18 you know Aug 14 03:27:45 * Anivrom|devMode is going to dethaw some pomegranite seeds :D Aug 14 03:28:21 I hear u Aug 14 03:28:42 sugardave: /me just published a new version of Noted on Precentral. Aug 14 03:28:43 They say spammers are filling up the app catalog now Aug 14 03:29:06 They say is a good song Aug 14 03:29:08 haeffb: :P Aug 14 03:29:24 just thought you'd like to know how easy it is... Aug 14 03:29:56 They say there's a hack for cheating in Nova's multiplayer mode Aug 14 03:30:16 hey, palmpreuser1001: the new version has a professionaly-designed icon, no longer requires you to login to use, and works much better than yesterday's version. Aug 14 03:30:32 it's basically everything you ever wanted Aug 14 03:30:38 With that special hack you can get the most kills Aug 14 03:30:51 haeffb: you figured out a way to do it with no login? Aug 14 03:31:11 well, you can't sync.... but you can use the app. :) Aug 14 03:31:15 heh Aug 14 03:31:40 I had been requiring a login to do anything. changed it so that it doesn't ask until you try to sync. Aug 14 03:31:55 Haeffb: wow. Well done..i will give it a try when it's on preware or ...? Aug 14 03:32:12 Also added a default note that gives a quick overview of features. Aug 14 03:32:19 nice Aug 14 03:32:23 it should be in preware any second now. Aug 14 03:33:10 or you can download here: http://www.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/noted Aug 14 03:33:53 oops. forgot to change the last sync display from GMT Aug 14 03:34:10 Firing up preware right now Aug 14 03:39:38 What's the current version of your app? Aug 14 03:40:51 Haeffb: is it 0.0.4 ? Aug 14 03:40:59 0.0.5 Aug 14 03:41:08 Oh Aug 14 03:41:16 I don't know how long it takes precentral to update the preware feeds Aug 14 03:41:24 maybe rwhitby knows... Aug 14 03:41:36 I'm still seeing 0.5 Aug 14 03:42:06 I mean 0.4 Aug 14 03:42:13 i think every 30 minutes Aug 14 03:42:32 I think it takes a while Aug 14 03:42:38 haeffb: once daily Aug 14 03:43:06 wow. that bites Aug 14 03:43:11 Crap you mean he's gotta wait 24hours? I didn't know that Aug 14 03:43:13 oh please Aug 14 03:43:17 don't even Aug 14 03:43:21 installing it now Aug 14 03:43:32 grr webkit transitions is not smooth for my list moving left and right Aug 14 03:43:59 palmpreuser1001, download from the link above Aug 14 03:44:23 download from the link, use Install Package in Preware to install Aug 14 03:44:24 dundunDUN Aug 14 03:44:33 That's wht I'm doin right now Aug 14 03:44:55 ok, attempting sugardaves crazy callback method Aug 14 03:45:02 still need to add sorting options Aug 14 03:45:08 halfhalo-final: good luck Aug 14 03:45:14 Anivrom|devMode: Wekit transitions get ugly with lots of contents in the stuff you're doing it to Aug 14 03:45:35 i have no idea why my name is halfhalo-final… BUT im to lazy to change it Aug 14 03:46:12 apparently you can't transition opacity and left at the same time Aug 14 03:46:19 Lies Aug 14 03:47:15 I wonder if you had 10000 divs with progressive z-indexs and successive opacities with rgba background if you can transition z-index Aug 14 03:47:23 this is cwazy! Aug 14 03:47:36 dekan apparently you can't transition opacity and left at the same time is no, $who, apparently YOU can't transition opacity and left at the same time Aug 14 03:48:05 dekan? Aug 14 03:48:10 dekan sug Aug 14 03:48:14 dekan sugardave Aug 14 03:48:15 dekan: inventory Aug 14 03:48:15 ACTION contains a banjo, some quad-ply toilet paper, sugardave, a wild chuqui, The Sugardavian Guide to 'Stupid Mojo Tricks' Revized, the 4th and 5th dimmensions, an infinate mass where all possabilities happen all the time, clippy with spellcheck powers, the binary code to protect and immortalize clippy, a binary reverse engineering program, a nuclear warhead pointed at those who want to kill clippy, a towel, an antimatter Aug 14 03:48:24 botsmack Aug 14 03:48:25 OUCH Aug 14 03:48:29 dekan apparently you can't transition opacity and left at the same time is no, $who, apparently YOU can't transition opacity and left at the same time Aug 14 03:48:53 dekan: literal naplunch Aug 14 03:48:54 naplunch dims the lights and fluffs the pillows. Aug 14 03:49:06 dekan list var noun Aug 14 03:49:12 hmmm Aug 14 03:49:23 dekan list var verb Aug 14 03:49:29 hmmm hmmm Aug 14 03:50:00 in my expert opinion, I conclude that dekan is busted Aug 14 03:50:03 so, three sort options (created, added, alpha) and two directions (ASC, DESC) Aug 14 03:50:25 * sugardave gives dekan a checkup Aug 14 03:50:25 * dekan drops the binary code to protect and immortalize clippy and takes a checkup. Aug 14 03:50:27 Blag Aug 14 03:50:27 should I throw all six in one list, or keep them options & dir separate? Aug 14 03:50:52 God Aug 14 03:50:58 That was complicated Aug 14 03:51:48 dekan: keep them options is not good English Aug 14 03:51:48 Okay, haeffb. Aug 14 03:51:50 why, oh why Aug 14 03:53:13 what's up people of the channel? Aug 14 03:53:29 we stole a couch Aug 14 03:53:34 Not much other person that is in the channel Aug 14 03:53:35 alexfner: where the heck were you a couple weeks ago lol Aug 14 03:53:42 I went to SF for a week Aug 14 03:53:43 halfhalo-final: That reminds me, aren't you black? Aug 14 03:53:45 took a vacation Aug 14 03:53:45 Had some puzzling canvas stuffy stuffs Aug 14 03:53:48 but its all good now Aug 14 03:53:49 no.... Aug 14 03:53:50 of that haeffb? Aug 14 03:53:58 I almost visited Palm Aug 14 03:54:16 but I figured they would be confused when I show up at their HQ and asked for a tour Aug 14 03:54:22 haha Aug 14 03:54:25 and it would be ackward Aug 14 03:54:28 so I didn't Aug 14 03:54:36 http://www.twitter.com/haeffb Aug 14 03:54:57 so you guys were drinking, and you stole a couch? Aug 14 03:55:08 no, just stole a couch Aug 14 03:55:11 Yeah, haeffb is black Aug 14 03:55:22 ok… how do I do callback again? Aug 14 03:55:25 just by looking at my picture, I'd say "no" Aug 14 03:55:43 guys Aug 14 03:55:46 don't try to hide it Aug 14 03:55:54 we all know you've been hosting parties in the channel Aug 14 03:55:56 * haeffb has been drinking Aug 14 03:56:03 funny chat http://bobchatter.com/im/sonido/tmp/231d47b0ccc92e4d9d39d62d964a3a63.mp3 Aug 14 03:56:10 * kesne can't drink. Legally. Aug 14 03:56:19 kesne: mexico! Aug 14 03:56:20 two twenty-two ouncers of Sam Adams Octoberfest Aug 14 03:56:22 kesne: what did you say about haeffb? Aug 14 03:56:28 kesne: you are now in Europe Aug 14 03:56:33 anAsyncFunction = function(aThing, aCallBack) {.... // in on success if (aCallBack) { aCallBack() }} Aug 14 03:56:39 rwhitby: He's black? Aug 14 03:56:42 LoneStar99! Aug 14 03:56:44 love 32oz of Milwakee's Best! Aug 14 03:57:01 kesne: did you mean to say that after halfhalo-final said he stole a couch? Aug 14 03:57:28 halfhalo-final: ^^^^ Aug 14 03:57:40 rwhitby: it reminded me of it, because I was in chicago the other week and I saw a bunch of black people stealing (I presume) a couch Aug 14 03:57:45 i knew that.... Aug 14 03:57:52 oh Aug 14 03:57:56 delocated is back! Aug 14 03:57:59 for a new season Aug 14 03:57:59 South side of chicago Aug 14 03:58:00 what was your question? Aug 14 03:58:06 i just didn't know i knew it Aug 14 03:58:08 wow, way to make a racial profiling comment in a publicly logged channel ... Aug 14 03:58:27 kesne: where they drinking "old E" Forties? Aug 14 03:58:29 fortunately he doesn't represent a company or anything Aug 14 03:58:32 or aCallBack(aThing) Aug 14 03:58:33 YAY AMERICA! Aug 14 03:58:47 to keep passing aThing down the callback chain Aug 14 03:59:05 rwhitby: I asked if he was black because I remembered I talked to somebody about that a long time back. It jogged my memory Aug 14 03:59:32 AND I live in America, so it's okay. Aug 14 03:59:40 ok .... Aug 14 04:00:02 http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/515c8fd4a1/jon-anderson-cooper-interview Aug 14 04:00:07 this makes me happy Aug 14 04:00:24 rwhitby: If you lived here, you'd understand Aug 14 04:01:18 uh oh Aug 14 04:01:23 kesne: I live here and I don't understand Aug 14 04:01:43 haeffb: Psh. It wasn't supposed to be racist and such. Aug 14 04:01:47 I need to go watch top gear Aug 14 04:02:01 BUT that involves turning my desktop on since its plugged into the tv Aug 14 04:02:14 I think visiting chicago made me racist though. Aug 14 04:02:36 sugardave: maybe dkdsgn on twitter can publish your app... Aug 14 04:02:59 haeffb: I don't think he can Aug 14 04:03:05 I think Kieth can Aug 14 04:03:55 Okay! Aug 14 04:04:09 I can ask Aug 14 04:04:10 Haeffb: not bad at all Aug 14 04:04:15 Who need their app pushed? Aug 14 04:04:25 at this point I'm beginning not to care anymore Aug 14 04:04:28 better, eh? Aug 14 04:04:34 sugardave? Aug 14 04:04:34 sugardave is Gods gift to developers Aug 14 04:04:37 I'll ask Aug 14 04:04:37 I'll just finish this next stuff Aug 14 04:04:45 and push it to palm beta instead Aug 14 04:04:46 What's the app name again? Aug 14 04:05:16 the likelihood of them publishing it before the weekend is over is pretty much zero Aug 14 04:05:17 sugardave: maybe its the name that's throwing them off....they think it's for iPhone Aug 14 04:05:24 bullshit Aug 14 04:05:40 Haeffb: the app is very simple. Simply put. There's nothing i'd complain about at the moment except.. Aug 14 04:05:43 he's pissed because I emailed him about it Aug 14 04:05:48 kesne: iHaveSpirit Aug 14 04:05:50 sugardave: Dieter is? Aug 14 04:05:54 then I used the contact form...and it goes to him Aug 14 04:06:10 sugardave: just use the palm beta feed Aug 14 04:06:13 so he got two emails and likely decided I was being pushy Aug 14 04:06:20 Oh yes Aug 14 04:06:21 when I wasn't Aug 14 04:06:22 anyone see rafa tried to ajax call an image file and decode the response's (expected) binary? Aug 14 04:06:24 Dieter gets mad too Aug 14 04:06:46 I am not even sure you can request an image file... Aug 14 04:06:55 alexfner: you can request any file Aug 14 04:07:04 Haeffb: when I type anything in the main page the search in works in background but "noted beta" banner there just obstructing my view to see what I typed Aug 14 04:07:07 and get a png file's binary? Aug 14 04:07:08 * Tibfib used to ajax request html files Aug 14 04:07:14 which of you is StonedAnimal? Aug 14 04:07:18 I mean Aug 14 04:07:24 I have never tried to grab an image's data Aug 14 04:07:28 in binary Aug 14 04:07:29 note sure you can do that Aug 14 04:07:31 it just sounds very ugly Aug 14 04:07:39 why would you need to do that? Aug 14 04:07:43 just grab the image Aug 14 04:07:53 palmpreuser1001: good catch. hadn't tried that since I added the header. Aug 14 04:07:58 IMAGE!?!? WHERE Aug 14 04:07:59 don't ask me Aug 14 04:08:01 ask rafa Aug 14 04:08:02 on the forums Aug 14 04:08:11 bigger fish to fry Aug 14 04:10:19 Haeffb: Also the swipe to delete works. What if I wanted to move my list of notes from one position -no dragging allowed? Aug 14 04:10:28 brb Aug 14 04:12:11 no dragging allowed Aug 14 04:13:11 Haeffb: also when you edit your notes.. the time and date icon works.. But what's the point if there's no categories.. Missing the basic function in a notes app you gotta have categories Aug 14 04:13:28 why do I gotta have categories? Aug 14 04:13:50 that's what search is for Aug 14 04:14:28 if you want categories, just type it in the note Aug 14 04:14:38 #work Aug 14 04:14:43 #home Aug 14 04:16:21 oh man Aug 14 04:16:25 you guys Aug 14 04:16:29 delocated is a great show Aug 14 04:16:34 one of the greatest Aug 14 04:16:57 ever Aug 14 04:17:13 http://jquerymobile.com/ Aug 14 04:17:22 I lold at the lighting inconsistency Aug 14 04:17:22 scene it Aug 14 04:17:24 ! Aug 14 04:18:19 ui widgets based on iOS, boo! Aug 14 04:19:14 * Tibfib can see himself developing apps with jquery+phonegap in the future Aug 14 04:19:30 * kesne cannot Aug 14 04:19:33 yeah, I may look at phonegap or kesne's trash Aug 14 04:19:42 kesne's trash? Aug 14 04:19:44 WHAT!? Aug 14 04:19:45 * haeffb out. laters. Aug 14 04:19:50 cya Aug 14 04:20:03 cya haeffb Aug 14 04:20:09 sugardave: care to elaborate Aug 14 04:20:13 bye haeffb Aug 14 04:20:20 sorry for the racial fiasco Aug 14 04:20:23 what's it called? Aug 14 04:20:27 that thing you use? Aug 14 04:20:53 Haeffb: Because if I type something in the search and I have a long list of notes it should allow me to type in the dates as well to show up with date and time if I remembered when I created it Aug 14 04:20:56 the phonegap-like thing Aug 14 04:21:17 sugardave: Titanium? Aug 14 04:21:23 I only use it for desktop development Aug 14 04:21:25 that's it Aug 14 04:21:30 For mobile, I use native stuff Aug 14 04:21:33 iphone/webos Aug 14 04:21:34 I feel like, maybe untrue, but webOS 2.0 will switch to jquery Aug 14 04:21:41 why? no reason in particular Aug 14 04:21:49 Forget android Aug 14 04:21:49 alexfner: I could see it happening Aug 14 04:21:53 alexfner: +1 Aug 14 04:21:59 Prototype was a bad choice Aug 14 04:22:02 Categories are nice thing to have. It helps you organize more. Just color categories will do. Aug 14 04:22:02 It's slow Aug 14 04:22:06 kesne: OH, I thought it does webOS/i Aug 14 04:22:13 OS and android Aug 14 04:22:17 sugardave: It might. I don't use it for it Aug 14 04:22:21 i c Aug 14 04:22:26 prototype is not slow Aug 14 04:22:33 it's no slower than anything else Aug 14 04:22:38 I'm not asking for too much. It's a nice simple app to begin with Aug 14 04:23:49 I don't have a problem if it goes to jquery Aug 14 04:23:54 but damn I want some information Aug 14 04:24:06 like, I want to know exactly the type of event access we're going to have Aug 14 04:24:09 and how it is going to work Aug 14 04:24:14 so I can start programming for it now Aug 14 04:24:28 (i'm talking about multitouch event model, baby!) Aug 14 04:24:57 I don't have plans to release any sdk apps until 2.0, because I am waiting on features that I expect to be there Aug 14 04:24:58 alexfner: jQuery is faster than prototype Aug 14 04:25:28 alexfner: what happens if they're not there? Aug 14 04:25:57 Prototype is Killer! Aug 14 04:26:18 sugardave: prolly gonna look at pdk plugins at that point, but I assume they will be there, devs have been asking for them for long enough Aug 14 04:26:22 kesne: http://www.webdevelopment2.com/jquery-prototype-mootools-benchmark-slickspeed/ Aug 14 04:26:24 http://mootools.net/slickspeed/ Aug 14 04:26:57 alexfner: Run it on webOS ;) Aug 14 04:27:10 kesne: I am looking at some stuff that validates your point Aug 14 04:27:41 never used jquery, if they switch I will have to learn new things....I think a lot of the stuff I use is regular js Aug 14 04:27:58 so hopefully I won't be too impacted Aug 14 04:29:08 Amen to that Aug 14 04:29:30 i have cookies Aug 14 04:29:54 .each and .indexOf Aug 14 04:30:05 and Ajax.request Aug 14 04:30:19 oops. I was going to bed. sorry. Aug 14 04:30:27 I made my own .each, never ever used indexof either Aug 14 04:30:28 yeah... I use ajax.request a lot Aug 14 04:30:37 I use each more recently and ajax.request a lot Aug 14 04:30:48 but I do know how to wield xhr when I have to Aug 14 04:30:55 anyone have crazy music recommendations that I should sample? Aug 14 04:30:58 sugardave: 2.0 is switching from prototype to jquery? Aug 14 04:31:00 each is great until you don't have it and have to make your own Aug 14 04:31:08 LoneStar99: alexfner is starting that rumor, not me Aug 14 04:31:10 LoneStar99: just speculating Aug 14 04:31:42 I didn't start the rumor! I just said I wouldn't be surprised Aug 14 04:31:48 and I admitted it was based on nothing! Aug 14 04:32:49 hahahahaha Aug 14 04:32:54 hookers on tv Aug 14 04:33:24 silly speeders Aug 14 04:34:19 i really like prototype Aug 14 04:34:55 still trying to get used to their new api site though.... Aug 14 04:35:08 Linky? Aug 14 04:35:14 I really like this glass bottle of coke Aug 14 04:35:24 halfhalo-final: Which one? Aug 14 04:35:27 that's a vial Aug 14 04:35:31 oh Aug 14 04:35:33 Coke Aug 14 04:36:19 durdur Aug 14 04:36:29 and american coke Aug 14 04:36:48 BECAUSE WE ARE IN AMARICA. WITH AN A. Aug 14 04:37:57 All these commercials about frosted mini wheats saying their good for concentration…. I just like the way they taste Aug 14 04:38:14 kesne: http://api.prototypejs.org/ Aug 14 04:38:55 halfhalo-final: i agree frosted mini wheats are sweet Aug 14 04:38:59 ok, got my callback chain set up… now how am I going to pass the result up to the top layer…. or pass the error up…. Aug 14 04:40:40 got an email from "sourge-forge" header --> The Palm PDK Hot Apps Program offers developers who use the Plug-In Development Kit to bring their C/C++ apps to Palm for a share of $1 Million in cash or HP Products. Visit us here for more details: http://p.sf.net/sfu/palm-sfsitewide Aug 14 04:41:55 LoneStar99: and? Aug 14 04:43:28 can someone tell me where the app catalog program files are located? I found the other apps in /usr/palm/applications but not the app catalog. is it stored in a different place? Aug 14 04:43:30 just thought it was interesting ... never see much about webos Aug 14 04:43:45 hmmmm Aug 14 04:43:47 decision Aug 14 04:43:57 program or watch top gear Aug 14 04:44:12 lol both Aug 14 04:44:31 though coding would probably go no where Aug 14 04:44:32 mini only supports two monitors…. can't do both Aug 14 04:44:58 dammit cs5 needs to download Aug 14 04:45:18 got design premium and lightroom 3 for 500 Aug 14 04:45:48 AND…. forgot to launch transmission for top gear Aug 14 04:47:41 ok, so, watching speeders. And apparently theres a street in ventura CA notorious for stop sign violations Aug 14 04:47:56 I though that was the entire _state_ of california Aug 14 04:50:45 weeee hulu plus! Aug 14 04:51:09 Nevermind, I found it in /usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.findapps/ Aug 14 05:07:09 so is there a sample of collapsible dividers anyway? I don't need to do them in a mojo list Aug 14 05:07:16 and don't say stylematters Aug 14 05:07:21 :P Aug 14 05:10:59 got to love unix Aug 14 05:11:48 one short script deletes all files X old in "foo' directory Aug 14 05:21:33 yup Aug 14 05:22:21 time to burn ubuntu cd methinks Aug 14 05:29:40 yeah u should Aug 14 05:30:27 botsmack Aug 14 05:30:27 * dekan cowers Aug 14 05:30:41 that's right bitch! Aug 14 05:31:29 nice Aug 14 05:31:39 hit her with the bat! Aug 14 05:31:54 * kesne hits dekan with a bat Aug 14 05:31:58 her? Aug 14 05:32:07 dekan == female Aug 14 05:32:24 * dohtem feels like a misogynist Aug 14 05:36:20 hey is anyon eworking with the pdk? Aug 14 05:37:18 nice Aug 14 05:39:49 halfhalo-final: pass the the thing you want for the finally final callback (success or error) as a property of aThing Aug 14 05:41:43 along with a done flag or something...if aThing.done aThing.successCallback() Aug 14 05:47:48 no, thats easy, I;m talking about passing the result to the server layer Aug 14 05:54:19 Anybody have any profanity I can add into my checkers filter? Aug 14 05:54:20 emit it? Aug 14 05:55:49 kesne: "shite" - "for fucks sakes" Aug 14 05:57:39 LoneStar99: the f word filter would catch that Aug 14 05:59:16 kesne: ok i have an filter file, let me get it Aug 14 06:00:36 will pastebin: Aug 14 06:01:45 kesne: http://pastebin.com/BJeFhGfv Aug 14 06:19:54 LoneStar99: that's tiny Aug 14 06:20:02 alright folks, good night Aug 14 06:21:03 yeah Aug 14 06:32:25 hmm Aug 14 06:32:31 LoneStar99: You still up? Aug 14 06:48:23 Im out Aug 14 06:48:24 goodnight Aug 14 06:48:25 night night, kesne Aug 14 06:50:45 kesne: u had a question? Aug 14 06:50:53 I forgot Aug 14 08:24:26 Can anyone help me with including some standard libraries in a PDK app? Aug 14 12:02:29 good morning, #webos Aug 14 14:44:30 morning Aug 14 14:44:49 morning Anivrom|devMode Aug 14 14:45:37 LoneStar99, how do you do that text to speech thing? I assume its serverside Aug 14 14:46:15 Anivrom|devMode: yeah serverside unix! Aug 14 14:46:23 interesting Aug 14 14:47:19 writting a tutorial on it for BSD magazine, will let u know when it is ready, so you can proofread =) Aug 14 14:47:38 if you would like of course Aug 14 14:47:47 sure, when I have time :P Aug 14 14:51:10 ok taking off, i guess no coding till tonight -- have got 100 downloads of BC lite just from web distro =) Aug 14 14:51:46 you workin on that ui? Aug 14 14:53:00 yeah have been making changes ---> fols will be able to add own pic for avatar Aug 14 14:53:07 release 1.0.2 --> monday Aug 14 14:53:35 I mean have you rearranged the layout. not adding more stuff : Aug 14 14:53:36 P Aug 14 14:54:31 actually probably wednesday, the UI will be changed in a few weeks, need to test out some stuff with current layout Aug 14 14:54:45 good stuff Aug 14 14:56:10 if you can email me your thoughts on what changes to UI , just short and simple email =) Aug 14 14:56:21 diegoATearthoid.com Aug 14 14:56:54 when I get a chance sure Aug 14 14:57:52 ok really appreciate it Aug 14 14:59:00 would like to make hybrid PDK for competion, but no dice with Hybrids =( Aug 14 15:11:11 * haeffb very close to Done! with Noted! Aug 14 15:12:14 witty Aug 14 15:12:17 morning Tibfib Aug 14 15:12:26 morning haeffb Aug 14 15:12:29 morns tib buddy Aug 14 15:13:25 morning devmode buddy Aug 14 15:13:30 :P Aug 14 15:13:55 just doing a few major functions and should have this thing up by tonight.... hopefully Aug 14 15:21:53 Anivrom|devMode now if only we could actually upload apps, grumble Aug 14 15:22:06 hum? Aug 14 15:22:22 i have been trying for 3 days, keep getting an error Aug 14 15:22:30 uploading apps to where? Aug 14 15:22:35 palm? Aug 14 15:22:36 palm says, engineers know there is a bug, trying to find it Aug 14 15:22:37 to palm Aug 14 15:22:45 Oh, no I'm talking about getting my game into beta Aug 14 15:22:46 tonight Aug 14 15:22:47 have you tried a different browser? Aug 14 15:22:53 gonna be a bit before its published Aug 14 15:23:02 yeah tried a couple, IE and Chrome Aug 14 16:03:34 anybody ever have an app get published to PreCentral on a weekend? Aug 14 16:10:43 is there anything obviously wrong in this list setup? http://webos.pastebin.com/DMKfmVKF I'm trying to do a recursive list like in mojo matters, but it's failing. Aug 14 16:11:58 I think it has to be a template Aug 14 16:12:03 Tibfib: you didn't pass a model to the innerlist Aug 14 16:12:23 It's a widget(list) within a list. Aug 14 16:12:49 okay...but don't you still need to pass it a model or {} when you do setupWidget? Aug 14 16:13:01 not according to the mojo matters sample :/ Aug 14 16:13:04 hmmm Aug 14 16:13:28 well, what do your various templates look like? Aug 14 16:14:43 pasting Aug 14 16:15:51 Tibfib: how does it fail? Aug 14 16:16:06 it doesn't display anything Aug 14 16:16:13 doesn't error either Aug 14 16:16:51 http://webos.pastebin.com/3k5gGrsk Aug 14 16:17:49 you can have extra #{-items} right? I don't know the technical term for them... Aug 14 16:17:52 Tibfib: you are going to end up with invalid DOM that way...your inner list has a static id attribute Aug 14 16:18:04 that's probably not why it is failing though Aug 14 16:18:07 Oh, yeah the sample had name="" Aug 14 16:18:21 yes, you can have additional template vars Aug 14 16:18:31 and they can get added via formatters Aug 14 16:19:02 but Aug 14 16:19:05 your vars Aug 14 16:19:12 they don't exist in any of the model items Aug 14 16:19:17 so I expect no display Aug 14 16:19:46 data does Aug 14 16:19:58 oh there it is Aug 14 16:20:38 Is there a limit to how many lists you can have in a scene? hah Aug 14 16:20:47 shouldn't be Aug 14 16:21:09 getting out my mojo mattes Aug 14 16:22:05 pasted it to the bottom: http://webos.pastebin.com/prmNVpFs Aug 14 16:23:37 HAh, I use this.innerListAttrs twice Aug 14 16:23:40 lets see if that's it Aug 14 16:24:15 you also have the duplicate id problem in your outterroomslistitem template Aug 14 16:25:02 I changed it to "name" but do I need to make that into a template var? Aug 14 16:25:11 you can Aug 14 16:25:25 It should work with name though, right? Aug 14 16:25:30 id="#{whatever}" Aug 14 16:25:41 according to Mojo Matters it should work :D Aug 14 16:26:44 hmmmmmmm, still won't work Aug 14 16:27:18 what do y'all think of this for changing sort by & sort direction: http://img203.imageshack.us/i/capturetq.png/ Aug 14 16:28:44 good Aug 14 16:29:06 Tibfib: it looks solid to me :( Aug 14 16:29:51 dang. I don't want to make 4 separate lists but maybe I'll have to Aug 14 16:30:11 haeffb: a little space between the arrow button and the criteria maybe Aug 14 16:30:32 jsut a bit Aug 14 16:33:40 cool, I did not know you could click to the right of the scroll bar in eclipse editor to jump the window that way Aug 14 16:39:10 sugardave: don't all scroll bars work that way? Aug 14 16:39:17 I don't know Aug 14 16:39:19 do they? Aug 14 16:39:35 I don't have any space to the right of my browser scrollers Aug 14 16:40:08 maybe I don't knwo what you're talking about Aug 14 16:40:57 so, open a big file in eclipse and you can use the scroll bar as normal...or, if you click somewhere to the right of it, it will "jump" to that page (as opposed to going up/down a page at a time if you click IN the scroll bar) Aug 14 16:41:39 renegaid: 1.4.5 is out Aug 14 16:47:50 Makes NO bloody sense at all. Must be some hidden bug thats throwing me off. Aug 14 16:48:13 Trying to draw an image contained in a image() var and it doesn't draw anything Aug 14 16:48:21 I check the var it's assigned properly Aug 14 16:48:35 Anivrom|devMode: welcome to the "Ihavenocluewhythisisntworking" club Aug 14 16:49:08 I check the image in the folder, its there. Aug 14 16:49:18 I know it's firing cause I log it Aug 14 16:49:29 aaaaaand it wont draw my background either Aug 14 16:49:48 where's dekan? :( Aug 14 16:50:19 background was working just fine a bit ago before I changed some random code I dont remember Aug 14 16:55:33 sugardave: o i c. cool. Aug 14 16:56:46 yeah, I had no idea and I kept wondering why I was where I was in my editor Aug 14 16:56:55 but now that I know, it's a handy feature Aug 14 16:57:45 who wants to test marquee scrolling in iHaveSpirit? Aug 14 16:59:31 fine, screw you guys...I will just send it :P Aug 14 17:00:31 ...ME ME ME......ME ME ME......ME ME ME......ME ME ME......ME ME ME......ME ME ME......ME ME ME......ME ME ME......ME ME ME......ME ME ME......ME ME ME......ME ME ME......ME ME ME......ME ME ME......ME ME ME... Aug 14 17:00:46 * haeffb trying to simulate a scrolling ME ME ME marquee Aug 14 17:00:51 heh Aug 14 17:00:55 you're on "the list" Aug 14 17:01:07 send it to me and ill get aroudn to testing it :) Aug 14 17:01:17 add Help scene and Noted! is Done! Aug 14 17:01:27 for v 0.1.0 anyhow Aug 14 17:02:17 ew its dekan Aug 14 17:02:34 * sugardave gives dekan a towel Aug 14 17:02:35 * dekan now contains a towel. Aug 14 17:11:11 * sugardave gives dekan the Hoe of Destruction Aug 14 17:11:12 * dekan now contains the Hoe of Destruction. Aug 14 17:18:34 sugardave: looks great Aug 14 17:21:02 don't patronize me :P Aug 14 17:21:14 honest :) Aug 14 17:21:19 do you see that slowdown I was talking about? Aug 14 17:21:23 nope Aug 14 17:21:27 hmmmm Aug 14 17:21:29 Pre Plus? Aug 14 17:21:40 nope Aug 14 17:21:46 oooo landscape looks even better Aug 14 17:21:52 yea just got a slowdown Aug 14 17:21:55 gc Aug 14 17:21:59 strange...mine scrolls a few times....then will pause, etc. Aug 14 17:22:00 yeah Aug 14 17:22:10 my game does that Aug 14 17:22:10 not sure how to keep it from happening or if that's even possible Aug 14 17:22:13 its a webos thing Aug 14 17:22:14 ... Aug 14 17:22:26 or maybe my game is programmed bad :)P Aug 14 17:22:30 that reminds me I need to turn screen dim off in the flasher scene Aug 14 17:22:59 yeah, I like landscape mode Aug 14 17:23:53 just had an idea for a minigame Aug 14 17:24:08 the eventual goal is to allow entry of 4-5 messages and then tap the flasher to choose which one to scroll Aug 14 17:24:27 gotta type what scrolls in the div and if you dont get the sentence right you lose Aug 14 17:25:02 a lot of people will lose....typos :D Aug 14 17:25:19 they will get better :) Aug 14 17:25:25 will be slow at first Aug 14 17:25:49 faster = more pointrs Aug 14 17:25:52 points Aug 14 17:25:54 right Aug 14 17:25:57 longer you last Aug 14 17:25:58 scroll again - points Aug 14 17:26:57 I love playing typing games Aug 14 17:27:30 I do on a regular keyboard Aug 14 17:27:40 :P Aug 14 17:27:44 I used to play a lot of scramble on facebook....my wife is a scramble addict Aug 14 17:27:51 boggle? Aug 14 17:27:56 my wife loves boggle Aug 14 17:28:01 used to play it on fb too Aug 14 17:28:04 it's basically boggle Aug 14 17:28:37 I love boggle in rl Aug 14 17:28:39 not online Aug 14 17:28:41 so much Aug 14 17:28:58 now scrabble. theres a game I love Aug 14 17:29:38 haven't played scrabble in a long time. I think we have one with *gasp* WOODEN tiles Aug 14 17:29:40 scrable 2 win Aug 14 17:29:51 hah Aug 14 17:31:13 is this the webos development IRC channel? Aug 14 17:31:24 interesting....moving all the stuff inside the preferences scroller fixed the spacing issue with the speed slider Aug 14 17:31:27 yeppers Aug 14 17:31:35 boogityboogitybo: some people say that Aug 14 17:32:15 and those ppl are right Aug 14 17:32:30 it depends on the day/time, I think Aug 14 17:32:49 boogityboogitybo: do you write webOS apps? Aug 14 17:32:54 boogityboogitybo: sugardave is pretty much all you need to develop webos apps. He's your mobile snippet resource Aug 14 17:32:59 some times its a scrabble IRC channel. well, one time anyhow. Aug 14 17:33:00 hah Aug 14 17:33:13 lol haeffb, one time Aug 14 17:33:22 going by that logic this channel is everything to all Aug 14 17:33:58 lol... sweet free snippets Aug 14 17:34:06 LOL! Aug 14 17:34:12 dekan: snippets Aug 14 17:34:13 snippets is http://webos101.com/Code_Snippets Aug 14 17:34:13 "labeled" Aug 14 17:34:13 nobody said they were sweet Aug 14 17:34:25 * sugardave does things the long way. Aug 14 17:34:52 give me some ideas for sample notes to display in screenshots Aug 14 17:35:03 Arg I have a bug that I'm having a hard time fixing cause I made my app so convoluded and unecessarily complex, I don't know how it works hahah Aug 14 17:35:05 Can't sleep...clowns will eat me Aug 14 17:35:18 i can haz notez? Aug 14 17:35:19 haeffb: ^^^ Aug 14 17:35:27 haeffb: ^^^ Aug 14 17:35:52 "Dear John..." Aug 14 17:36:06 hah speaking of which Aug 14 17:36:13 * Anivrom|devMode searches for youtube video Aug 14 17:36:43 let me rephrase: give me some GOOD ideas for sample notes to display in screenshots Aug 14 17:36:59 oh Aug 14 17:37:01 hmm Aug 14 17:37:56 tada! worst movie scene/script writing ever, dear john style. Aug 14 17:37:57 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCEElQhM4ac Aug 14 17:38:13 WHat I did on summer vacation...fishing, boating, pulled hair out... Aug 14 17:39:41 Oh god oh man! Oh god oh man! Aug 14 17:39:42 haha Aug 14 17:39:44 AHHAHA Aug 14 17:39:48 so good right? Aug 14 17:39:48 that's pretty horrible Aug 14 17:39:51 I was rofl'ing Aug 14 17:40:05 he looks like brad pitt Aug 14 17:40:09 O_o Aug 14 17:40:31 thats my fav movie Aug 14 17:40:38 Looool Aug 14 17:40:39 haeffb: what about some meeting minutes or something? Aug 14 17:40:44 boring Aug 14 17:40:45 How about Aug 14 17:41:00 "remember to throw body in lake tonight" Aug 14 17:41:02 thats a legit note Aug 14 17:41:08 or Who Owes Me Money? List.... Aug 14 17:41:18 1.sugardave Aug 14 17:41:24 500 dollars Aug 14 17:41:32 canadian? Aug 14 17:41:39 * sugardave checks the couch. Aug 14 17:41:40 we're almost parity Aug 14 17:41:46 I know, it's not fun anymore Aug 14 17:41:49 haha Aug 14 17:41:56 we were higher for ab it Aug 14 17:42:02 * Anivrom|devMode smirks Aug 14 17:42:03 I KNOW, I almost died Aug 14 17:45:48 Tips for capturing Sasquatch Aug 14 17:45:55 now THERE's a note. Aug 14 17:46:10 I'm gonna make devs sign waivers in order to use my app, incase they open my code and explode in horror. I dont wanna be liable for that kinda thing Aug 14 17:46:19 "meth lab ing shopping list" Aug 14 17:48:41 we have other programs for that kinda thing, like methToGo Aug 14 17:50:00 so a real question... this new pdk. Does webos have enough app submissions now to warrant awarding 140 apps prizes? Aug 14 17:50:17 heh Aug 14 17:50:23 its getting there slowly Aug 14 17:50:24 or does everyone win Aug 14 17:50:31 radiant is pretty good Aug 14 17:50:37 Love the upgrade feature Aug 14 17:51:35 the problem with not commenting your code is weeks later when you look at a section of code and deem some lines unnecessary and delete them, your whole app breaks Aug 14 17:51:39 and you dont know why Aug 14 17:52:19 such is the case I am experiencing. Aug 14 17:52:49 crap....this is kinda slow on device Aug 14 17:53:13 yay fixed it Aug 14 17:53:16 that only took an hour Aug 14 17:57:29 haeffb: what is slow? Aug 14 17:57:39 noted Aug 14 17:58:46 how can I save the words written in a richtextedit field to a document or .txt file Aug 14 18:04:38 any ideas? Aug 14 18:04:39 hug it into a factoid and try listenning the warm thing until it works Aug 14 18:05:00 lol what he said Aug 14 18:05:14 you gotta use the filemngr api diov Aug 14 18:05:32 and then you're no longer eligable for app catalogue submission Aug 14 18:05:34 captcha for irc: ^2log1024 Aug 14 18:05:46 You would only be able to submit in homebrew Aug 14 18:05:49 Anivrom|devMode: if it's a valid API, it won't keep him out Aug 14 18:05:55 it wouldnt be Aug 14 18:06:05 Why would palm allow filemanager api Aug 14 18:06:20 if they are trying so hard to jail pdk apps Aug 14 18:06:22 oh, thinking of downloadmanager Aug 14 18:06:24 Anivrom|devMode argh darn I was gonna try and make this app catalog available, but with file mgr i cant :( Aug 14 18:06:25 ah Aug 14 18:06:46 diov: you will have to middle-man it...upload to a web server, then download with downloadmanager Aug 14 18:07:39 sugardave, how could I do that? Aug 14 18:08:07 i have this var myRichText = this.controller.get('richTextEdit').innerHTML; but i'm not sure how I'd upload that Aug 14 18:08:28 diov: what are you trying to do? Aug 14 18:08:56 kesne save the words in a richtextedit widget Aug 14 18:09:01 as a file Aug 14 18:09:11 What type of file? Aug 14 18:09:15 doc, txt? Aug 14 18:09:21 diov: you'd use Ajax.Request or regular XHR...and your web app would take the request, construct the text file (or whatever), then download it via downloadmanager Aug 14 18:09:41 s/then download/then you download/ Aug 14 18:09:47 kesne txt Aug 14 18:10:01 diov: Use ajax to send the content to a server Aug 14 18:10:08 A simple PHP file can create the file Aug 14 18:10:09 sugardave thanks :) Aug 14 18:10:14 http://www.tizag.com/phpT/filecreate.php goes over it a little bit Aug 14 18:10:25 thanks kesne :) Aug 14 18:10:35 Then use downloadmanager and throw it in media/internal Aug 14 18:12:13 darn Aug 14 18:12:14 Dumb internets Aug 14 18:13:03 kesne, could I implement this within something like dropbox, sorry if this is obvious, i dont really do php :p Aug 14 18:13:26 diov: I'm sure you could Aug 14 18:13:40 ksne thanks Aug 14 18:13:50 No worries Aug 14 18:16:33 diov: if they've got some kind of "upload some text here and we'll make a file for you" API then that should work Aug 14 18:16:34 hi guys .. anyone from iPhone developement .. who can related things in webOS? Aug 14 18:17:03 raghuk: kesne develops on iPhone Aug 14 18:17:25 sugardave: thx Aug 14 18:18:02 kesne: hey Aug 14 18:18:48 ok so anyone run into this problem... loading a png to an image() and then try and draw it while its loading. After that point it wont draw at all Aug 14 18:18:50 think thats a bug? Aug 14 18:19:57 kense: do we have like NSHTTPCookieStorage Class Reference in webOS? Aug 14 18:20:34 Sorry I was away, what? Aug 14 18:20:44 sugardave: u mean php api? Aug 14 18:21:11 kense: do we have like NSHTTPCookieStorage Class Reference in webOS? Aug 14 18:21:23 kense: where cookies are shared Aug 14 18:21:28 raghuk: Yes and no. If I recall correctly, NSHTTPCookieStorage allows you to save data in one application and grab it in another, no? Aug 14 18:21:39 raghuk: No sharing of cookies on webOS. Aug 14 18:22:13 Hmm, somebody just emailed me with @sprint.com email Aug 14 18:22:29 kesne: is their any work around for this? Aug 14 18:22:54 kesne: basically i need cookies from webview Aug 14 18:24:00 raghuk: Nope Aug 14 18:24:57 kesne: ooh :( Aug 14 18:25:04 hmm, ya know I've been considering buying the epic but I think that was mostly the impulsive shopper in me, I don't think it really does anything different that I actually need besides 'ooo shiny new' Aug 14 18:25:58 raghuk: I saw somebody mention you might be able to look at document.cookie (or cookies?) after a webview loads....but, not sure if that works or not Aug 14 18:27:55 Epic is a real nice-looking phone. Aug 14 18:28:07 sugardev: hmmm ... let me try that Aug 14 18:28:10 I love my evo Aug 14 18:31:52 Aw man....superhappydevhouse sounds so happy Aug 14 18:32:14 I'm in supersmellycatden Aug 14 18:36:36 I wonder Aug 14 18:36:40 how bad is symbian really Aug 14 18:36:46 besides not having ipkg-opt Aug 14 18:37:52 is there a way to wait in javascript Aug 14 18:37:59 something like setTimeout I think? Aug 14 18:40:25 yes Aug 14 18:40:32 setTimeout(this.mainLoopInterval = setInterval(this.mainLoopBind, 47)), 2000); Aug 14 18:40:40 can I declare it without assinging it to a var? Aug 14 18:41:15 Anivrom|devMode: what are you trying to do? Aug 14 18:41:26 no se ingles Aug 14 18:41:29 delay the start of my game loop for a couple seconds to give the images time to load Aug 14 18:41:32 onload isnt working Aug 14 18:41:50 setTimeout(this.startLoop.bind(this), 2000) Aug 14 18:41:57 And then make a startLoop function Aug 14 18:41:57 you shouldn't set a timeout or interval without setting it as a variable Aug 14 18:42:15 VARIABLES!?!?!?! WHERE!?!?!?! Aug 14 18:42:33 because you want to clearTimeout(timeout) or clearInterval(interval) before you pop scenes Aug 14 18:42:35 Anivrom|devMode: Ignore sugardave. Aug 14 18:42:40 He's being all propper Aug 14 18:42:45 do so at your own peril Aug 14 18:43:05 I have vars for my intervals but since this is a 1 time deal I thought no var would be sufficient Aug 14 18:44:18 it's only 1 time? nothing triggered by user actions or other functions? Aug 14 18:44:25 no Aug 14 18:44:32 Only on start of app when images have to load Aug 14 18:44:43 you'll probably get away with it Aug 14 18:44:55 DOITDOITDOIT Aug 14 18:45:03 wish I could figure out how to use onload in webos Aug 14 18:45:05 * halfhalo should never be allowed to give advice. EVER Aug 14 18:45:11 why onload? Aug 14 18:45:21 onload: start game loop Aug 14 18:45:23 what does it do? Aug 14 18:45:35 when an image() is done being loaded into var it triggers function Aug 14 18:46:05 its a callback for thel oading of images Aug 14 18:46:11 to put it a better way Aug 14 18:46:20 its a javascript thing but apparently broken in webos Aug 14 18:46:29 Heard you can't do inline functions for onload Aug 14 18:46:30 no, I know people have used it Aug 14 18:46:45 Well when I use it my function never gets called Aug 14 18:46:51 I know I've seen examples in the dev forum Aug 14 18:46:55 and I copied straight from the textbook Aug 14 18:47:00 I copied those examples Aug 14 18:47:19 it must be webos.... Aug 14 18:47:20 :P Aug 14 18:47:23 truely Aug 14 18:47:29 truly as well Aug 14 18:47:31 both are true Aug 14 18:47:34 but only on your phone Aug 14 18:47:42 I must admit, it seems that way Aug 14 18:48:39 ok, programming or lie to me Aug 14 18:49:07 I don't do Web development...is that one of those things where you have to put the function definition in the html? Aug 14 18:49:17 or include via script somehow? Aug 14 18:49:31 mebe Aug 14 19:02:53 So Aug 14 19:03:03 I think I'm going to buy a dharma jumpsuit Aug 14 19:03:44 I think that's a fantastic idea. Aug 14 19:03:56 I'm still fairly fat despite my weightloss, I'll be hurley. Aug 14 19:09:07 Haha Aug 14 19:09:12 I'm not fat, thank god Aug 14 19:09:21 Where's that picture of my in white jeans? Aug 14 19:18:25 it was rejected by the Internet Council and wiped clean from the universe Aug 14 19:23:50 thank goodness Aug 14 19:25:21 app submitted! Aug 14 19:30:38 the music one? Aug 14 19:32:46 haeffb: hey buddy Aug 14 19:33:33 what up, kense? Aug 14 19:33:40 I only have 241 followers :'( Aug 14 19:33:46 haeffb: Just saying hello Aug 14 19:33:56 * kesne needs more IRL friends Aug 14 19:34:57 whatever happened to that music app that got all that attention Aug 14 19:35:07 was it vaporware? Aug 14 19:36:07 free ringtones ? Aug 14 19:36:26 bananas Aug 14 19:36:45 mangoes Aug 14 19:37:12 peaches. Aug 14 19:37:13 nanaplayer Aug 14 19:37:17 i think was the name Aug 14 19:37:21 * sugardave gives dekan a big bunch of beautiful bananas Aug 14 19:37:21 * dekan is now carrying a big bunch of beautiful bananas. Aug 14 19:38:48 oh, NaNplayer .. i thought that used a massive amount of palm code originally Aug 14 19:39:45 I think it may have. Aug 14 19:39:50 * punzada shrugs Aug 14 19:39:53 last thing i can find about it is here: http://www.precentral.net/nanplayer-rejected-app-catalog - apparently undocumented API's ? Aug 14 19:39:59 yeah Aug 14 19:40:08 it made this big stir, and then nothing Aug 14 19:40:30 I'd really love something more featured then the music player remix Aug 14 19:41:36 or just be able to patch music player remix to fit my eccentricites (on the fly playlist management would be nice, like clicking a certain song playing, seeing more from the artist/album or whatever to instantly queue up) Aug 14 19:42:13 I have nanplayer Aug 14 19:42:15 Great app Aug 14 19:42:26 there you go Aug 14 19:42:51 so has it just been indefinitely in closed beta for damned near a year at this point? lol Aug 14 19:43:29 seems like it: http://www.nanplayer.com/ and http://twitter.com/NaNplayer Aug 14 19:44:50 wow i skip right to a spot in his last youtube video and it has the exact functionality i just talked about Aug 14 19:44:55 that just makes me even more angry Aug 14 19:44:56 lol Aug 14 19:50:03 protip: messing with captcah == funny Aug 14 19:51:37 pro-tip: use hyphens to be more pro Aug 14 19:52:17 Pro-Tip: caps are even more impressive Aug 14 19:53:40 just the tip? Aug 14 19:57:44 hrm Aug 14 19:58:34 haeffb: get a chance to look at that other version yet? Aug 14 19:58:43 dont bother its garbage Aug 14 19:58:48 * Anivrom|devMode steals marque code Aug 14 19:59:02 MY version is even better now...doesn't cut off letters :P Aug 14 19:59:42 Anivrom|devMode: there is 0 code involved for that marquee Aug 14 19:59:45 heh would be impressive if I didnt already code that 3 hours ago Aug 14 19:59:49 other than changing the text color Aug 14 20:00:05 that's all css Aug 14 20:00:10 easy-peasy Aug 14 20:00:16 gotta go out Aug 14 20:00:28 returning 152432 beer bottles and taking my wife to mall to pickup her bridesmaid dress Aug 14 20:00:51 alright....is it going to be horribly ugly? Aug 14 20:02:50 they always are Aug 14 20:03:12 some moreso than others, though...like really hilariously ugly Aug 14 20:03:34 yeah.. they do that for a reason i think.. to make the bride look so much better but default Aug 14 20:03:38 nah its pretty nice Aug 14 20:03:45 but/by Aug 14 20:03:45 seen it already Aug 14 20:03:52 Anivrom|devMode: that's a good thing to see when the wife is around Aug 14 20:03:52 had to get it altered cause she lost alot of weight Aug 14 20:03:58 that's even better Aug 14 20:04:08 s/see/say/ Aug 14 20:04:08 yep Aug 14 20:04:09 who wants to point me in the direction for webOS gps 101? Aug 14 20:04:36 bbl Aug 14 20:04:53 discombobulate: http://webos101.com/GpsGetCoords Aug 14 20:05:22 hey clever.. i thought you were just messing with me because i said 101 Aug 14 20:05:27 ha Aug 14 20:06:14 http://webos101.com/kesne Aug 14 20:06:35 I need to make that page better Aug 14 20:28:05 * sugardave decides to install mongodb and see what's what. Aug 14 20:33:55 sugardave: link? Aug 14 20:35:16 www.mongodb.org Aug 14 20:36:52 sugardave: going to be on the road for a bit. Will check it out. Aug 14 20:37:00 Noted v 0.0.6 is on precentral. Aug 14 20:37:26 sugardave: because all I need is ANOTHER DB system Aug 14 20:37:56 haeffb: ah, cool Aug 14 20:38:17 I've already fixed the cut-off chars if you didn't see that Aug 14 20:39:33 kesne: apparently mongo speaks JSON directly Aug 14 20:39:39 more or less Aug 14 20:39:53 sugardave: parsing for JSON takes a few seconds Aug 14 20:39:56 Er Aug 14 20:40:00 few miliseconds Aug 14 20:40:10 making JSON your schema, records, etc. Aug 14 20:40:30 is mongo the one the new api's will hook into? Aug 14 20:40:38 or was that db8 or something? Aug 14 20:40:53 there is a node.js library for it Aug 14 20:41:16 I think db8 might be what you are talking about Aug 14 20:41:26 db8 = palm's cloud data sync Aug 14 20:41:36 oh Aug 14 20:41:54 no it's couchDB Aug 14 20:42:00 wait. I dont remember anymore Aug 14 20:42:03 is there any way to contact the reviewer of your apps? or is that all hidden? Aug 14 20:42:11 discombobulate: no way Aug 14 20:42:12 discombobulate: impossible Aug 14 20:42:24 Palm doesn't want to be responsible for murders Aug 14 20:42:29 makes sense Aug 14 20:42:58 just seems like it'd be easier to address issues that some of these clowns have Aug 14 20:43:00 sugardave: figured out the is Aug 14 20:43:01 sue Aug 14 20:43:10 oh mult-list? sweet Aug 14 20:43:12 what was it Aug 14 20:43:13 ? Aug 14 20:43:20 yeah, my room-row template didn't have the palm-row class Aug 14 20:43:26 ouch Aug 14 20:43:31 how do I enter marquee? Aug 14 20:43:44 yeah. dumb stuff Aug 14 20:43:47 haeffb: it's in the prefs Aug 14 20:43:57 right above the school list Aug 14 20:44:08 it should auto-focus.... Aug 14 20:44:10 :s Aug 14 20:44:55 I must not have new version on here... Aug 14 20:44:59 Tibfib: at least you saw it :D Aug 14 20:45:10 haeffb: oh, lame Aug 14 20:45:17 yeah Aug 14 20:46:16 haeffb_pre: Depot is slow Aug 14 20:46:55 kesne: oh well, use cupcakes Aug 14 20:47:23 haeffb_pre: I will Aug 14 20:47:25 haeffb_pre: I like how it sounds better too! Aug 14 20:47:40 It also makes it easier to push data to KSO Sync Aug 14 20:49:51 hmm Aug 14 20:54:30 Haha Aug 14 20:54:33 kesne: instead of "SELECT * FROM table WHERE foo=bar" you can do things like db.table.find({foo:bar}); Aug 14 20:54:47 sugardave: I'll admit, it's pretty hawt looking Aug 14 20:54:56 sugardave: But I've grown accustomed to mySQL Aug 14 20:55:12 sure, it's nice Aug 14 20:55:22 Someone just asked me out on Checkers Chat Aug 14 20:56:02 Aaand, she's 11, great. Aug 14 20:56:06 Time to ban her. Aug 14 21:00:12 I really hate this website Aug 14 21:00:13 http://www.aequitascapital.com/index.php Aug 14 21:10:31 halfhalo: ping Aug 14 21:16:56 sugardave: pop it on a server & email me a link... Aug 14 21:18:13 alright, one moment Aug 14 21:21:42 haeffb_pre: Done! Aug 14 21:25:28 awesome Aug 14 21:25:28 awesome is http://digitalpowers.com Aug 14 21:26:13 stutter seems worse in landscape... Aug 14 21:26:32 yeah, if you let it go a few times, it will go smooth for a bit, then stutter again Aug 14 21:26:59 until I learn C, I don't think there's a lot I can do....you should see it on the emulator Aug 14 21:27:03 very choppy Aug 14 21:27:16 huh. Aug 14 21:27:29 sugardave: a word of advise: don't use C Aug 14 21:27:36 or C++ Aug 14 21:27:53 at this point I use both of those interchangeably :D Aug 14 21:27:56 * madnificent wouldn't take his bet on C++ either, but at least you get *some* features in C++ Aug 14 21:28:06 means "new shit I have to learn" Aug 14 21:28:18 oh, official docs stopped doing that image crap Aug 14 21:28:20 sugardave: the advise still stands though :) Aug 14 21:28:21 great improvement Aug 14 21:28:41 madnificent: what are you going to use? Aug 14 21:28:46 or are using? Aug 14 21:28:54 one or more lisp versions Aug 14 21:29:16 hmmm, don't know lisp either, but can you compile lisp to run in webos? Aug 14 21:29:21 one of which will likely receive some help to make webos develpment a bit easier, the other because it is fast Aug 14 21:29:37 ECL spits out C code, which you can compile Aug 14 21:29:41 so yes, you could do that Aug 14 21:29:41 ah Aug 14 21:29:59 lisp is prototypal like js, right? Aug 14 21:30:00 oil: work on device now? Aug 14 21:30:09 idk Aug 14 21:30:20 but i remembered not being able to copy things from it because of it Aug 14 21:30:35 sugardave: publish it Aug 14 21:30:44 sugardave: there are prototype systems for lisp (sheeple for instance), however most people use CLOS (a class based system that boasts many features) Aug 14 21:31:57 sugardave: I wouldn't use C because it is very low-level. Also: tests prove that the same code written in C and lisp, the lisp variant is faster in most cases. The lisp variant is normally written in a shorter amount of time too. However, many people find lisp hard to learn (I disagree but am willing to fix it). Aug 14 21:33:00 if you're the type of person that prefers to think in machine language, then C might as well be your thing. Aug 14 21:33:21 maybe if I was 20 again Aug 14 21:33:29 not enough time in the day Aug 14 21:33:34 if you prefer superior abstractions, then lisp is probably worth the learn (but it takes a while to master (as is so with any other language) Aug 14 21:33:52 and js is my first OO, so I'm pretty comfortable with prototypal Aug 14 21:33:55 sugardave: if you pick a new language, choose wisely :) You don't have to :) Aug 14 21:34:14 sugardave: you can do prototypal, sheeple is a system like that. It is far more advanced than JS though Aug 14 21:34:39 haeffb_pre: I'm thinking about using the new pricing structure I mentioned...what do you think is a good start point for the flasher as it is? Aug 14 21:34:41 sugardave: the language I'll likely be working on in the next half year or so will be prototypical from the ground up Aug 14 21:35:14 how can i remove a patch other then by using webosdoc and preware? Aug 14 21:37:24 ??? Aug 14 21:37:41 ummm...backup everything and do a full erase? Aug 14 21:37:53 dakidd704: did you check with #webos-internals yet? Aug 14 21:38:32 sugardave: how do i get in contact with them? Aug 14 21:38:46 dakidd704: do /join #webos-internals Aug 14 21:38:48 :D Aug 14 21:39:21 thanks Aug 14 21:39:22 You're welcome, dakidd704! Aug 14 21:39:25 np Aug 14 21:40:03 * sugardave gives dekan a swift kick in the ass Aug 14 21:40:04 Okay, sugardave. Aug 14 21:40:10 dekan: inventory Aug 14 21:40:11 * dekan is carrying a towel, the Hoe of Destruction, a big bunch of beautiful bananas, and a swift kick in the ass. Aug 14 21:45:26 good god Aug 14 21:51:49 haeffb_pre: duh, disregard my last question as I'm getting ahead of myself Aug 14 21:51:56 haeffb_pre: next question Aug 14 21:52:14 do you have to have a help scene to get in the beta feed? Aug 14 21:53:28 lol Aug 14 21:54:10 * oil remembers one of his apps getting rejected because there wasn't a help menu item on the help scenes appmenu Aug 14 21:54:19 yes, I remember that Aug 14 21:54:27 lol Aug 14 21:54:28 lol Aug 14 21:55:02 sugardave: beta feed doesn't get reviewed by a person Aug 14 21:55:28 * sugardave hasn't submitted an app since before all the new hotness. Aug 14 21:55:36 lol Aug 14 21:55:42 Tibfib: ah, cool Aug 14 21:56:00 it may be over a year since ive submitted an update Aug 14 21:56:02 id have to look Aug 14 21:56:15 except the site never remembers me Aug 14 21:56:25 I think I submitted an update to something in Novemeber or December Aug 14 21:56:32 yeah Aug 14 21:56:38 so, its gettin close Aug 14 21:56:45 mine actually are november and december xD Aug 14 21:57:02 The new process for apps is a lot nicer Aug 14 21:57:17 The upgrade from a few weeks ago Aug 14 21:57:36 lol Aug 14 21:57:42 a broken down ferrari is still a broken down ferrari though Aug 14 21:57:46 submitting an update will require me to work on one of those two apps Aug 14 21:57:51 and stop working on new hotness Aug 14 21:59:21 oil: What is new hotness? Aug 14 21:59:27 Anivrom|devMode: Still on track? Aug 14 21:59:32 stuff Aug 14 21:59:53 Dont think so unless I can rape this code Aug 14 22:00:01 sounds illegal Aug 14 22:00:31 How old is the code? Aug 14 22:00:40 only 3 weeks old Aug 14 22:00:44 so yyea its pretty hanus Aug 14 22:00:45 God Aug 14 22:00:47 lol Aug 14 22:00:47 but gonna try anywyas Aug 14 22:00:49 That sounds very illegal Aug 14 22:04:08 Should I be placing all my sql commands in try catch? Aug 14 22:14:59 Anivrom|devMode: Yes Aug 14 22:15:02 Aug 14 22:15:39 * Anivrom|devMode has beer. \o/ Aug 14 22:16:15 *cheers* Aug 14 22:18:06 Anivrom|devMode: Cheers mate! Aug 14 22:20:53 So should I officially add BBCode support into KSO? Aug 14 22:21:09 sugardave: not for beta I believe Aug 14 22:22:29 ok so that must be the problem, if you try and draw from a var before its done loading, it messes up that var until you reload it Aug 14 22:50:17 Uncaught TypeError: Object # has no method 'inf0' (app/game.js:2161) LOL? Aug 14 22:50:23 oops Aug 14 22:51:16 hey, how do I update this dev phone to 1.4.5 since it's not connected to Verizon? Aug 14 22:52:37 dohtem: doctor doctor Aug 14 22:53:19 got it. thanks. Aug 14 22:54:02 Anyone else having issues updating their app? Aug 14 22:54:13 submission is down Aug 14 22:54:15 they're working on it Aug 14 22:54:28 socca1157: ^^^ Aug 14 22:54:33 Thankss Aug 14 23:03:58 oh no...I don't think I have a 64x64 version of my icon Aug 14 23:04:02 that's going to be ugly Aug 14 23:04:17 its ugly to begin with so dont worry about it Aug 14 23:04:20 :P!! Aug 14 23:09:19 what the crap. why does palm apply a special class to buttons in drawers... Aug 14 23:10:50 palm hates you tib Aug 14 23:11:19 no css hates me Aug 14 23:11:22 haeffb: I just realised the icon I made is the icon you like except rotated 180 degrees lol Aug 14 23:11:43 Tibfib: we all do ^_^ Aug 14 23:11:50 hmmmm...which category....sports or entertainment? Aug 14 23:12:02 madnificent: ouch :P Aug 14 23:12:06 sugardave: sports Aug 14 23:12:19 although I'm not even sure what your app is Aug 14 23:12:28 Tibfib: I don't know why btw. I'm not a CSS wizkid Aug 14 23:13:01 Well I don't know _why_ palm did it, but I got it to look _decent_ Aug 14 23:13:16 Lolol Aug 14 23:13:20 You guys should read this Aug 14 23:13:30 dude hang tight im trying to get it out Aug 14 23:13:36 Oh, constipated again? Aug 14 23:13:44 indeed Aug 14 23:13:50 so shush Aug 14 23:13:53 Oh, constipated again? Aug 14 23:13:54 indeed Aug 14 23:13:54 so shush Aug 14 23:13:54 private time Aug 14 23:14:00 LARG Aug 14 23:14:14 Anivrom|devMode: this computer has fail copy/pasta Aug 14 23:15:52 * Tibfib might have found a bug Aug 14 23:16:00 with palm's stuff. Aug 14 23:17:14 we should have an intervention for palm Aug 14 23:17:22 A BUG! Aug 14 23:17:40 lol Aug 14 23:28:31 if my app doesn't use location services right now but it MIGHT in the future, do I just say "no" on submission? I can't remember if that's something you can change Aug 14 23:29:29 you can change it Aug 14 23:29:57 right on Aug 14 23:30:23 okay, I guess I'm done Aug 14 23:30:48 Tibfib: I ran webos doctor. How do I bypass the activation screen? Aug 14 23:30:49 hmm...no it says incomplete Aug 14 23:31:13 dohtem: do what you did the first time! Aug 14 23:31:36 i got it that way Aug 14 23:31:48 http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2051&Itemid=21 Aug 14 23:31:58 thanks! Aug 14 23:31:59 You're welcome, dohtem! Aug 14 23:31:59 or create a meta doctor Aug 14 23:33:04 sugardave… pong Aug 14 23:35:18 halfhalo: do you just manually load various node.js things or do you use something like the kiwi module manager thingie? Aug 14 23:35:31 I use nodules Aug 14 23:35:44 erg, I guess I should have read back that app submission is jacked up Aug 14 23:35:46 :( Aug 14 23:35:52 halfhalo: okay, thanks Aug 14 23:36:07 oh success :D Aug 14 23:36:07 well, nodules for stuff it works with, manual linking for the rest Aug 14 23:36:51 halfhalo: ah, got it Aug 14 23:37:05 you've inspired me to check out mongodb Aug 14 23:37:12 lol Aug 14 23:39:02 awww Aug 14 23:39:08 adobe no like my school id Aug 14 23:43:59 trying to get cheap PS5? Aug 14 23:45:24 si Aug 14 23:47:57 food time nao methinks Aug 14 23:49:02 dekan, make me a sandwich is $verbs a sandwich with lots of $noun and $noun. Aug 14 23:49:03 Okay, Tibfib. Aug 14 23:49:06 make me a sandwich Aug 14 23:49:07 * dekan listens a sandwich with lots of bacon and magic. Aug 14 23:49:35 mmm, a magic bacon sandwich Aug 14 23:49:38 that sounds good Aug 14 23:49:41 make me a sandwich Aug 14 23:49:41 * dekan shrieks a sandwich with lots of wrench and wrench. Aug 14 23:49:46 lol Aug 14 23:49:58 cant go wrong with a double wrench sandwich Aug 14 23:50:00 lol, maybe I shouldn't have put the verb in Aug 14 23:52:12 Is the deviceID a sensitive piece of information? Aug 14 23:52:24 yes/no Aug 14 23:52:30 yea so dont hurt its feelings... Aug 14 23:52:31 please Aug 14 23:52:44 Would you want yours on a website where anyone could look at it? Aug 14 23:52:47 if it cries there goes your circuits Aug 14 23:52:51 probably not Aug 14 23:52:58 what about an md5 hash of it? Aug 14 23:53:02 * Anivrom|devMode waits for impending link Aug 14 23:53:03 sure Aug 14 23:53:13 haha Aug 14 23:53:20 wait for it... Aug 14 23:53:20 gah! the devicetool keeps saying "no devices found" Aug 14 23:53:34 dohtem: you're doing it wrong Aug 14 23:53:54 md5 it is then Aug 14 23:53:57 err, holding it wrong Aug 14 23:54:16 oh thought youw ere going to post a link to a website that displays our deviceID's and md5's Aug 14 23:54:29 and say "SECURITY BREACH" Aug 14 23:54:49 Hehe, not yet Aug 14 23:54:57 :O Aug 14 23:54:58 dun dun dunnn Aug 14 23:55:08 Just looking for best practice while writing my web service Aug 14 23:55:16 I will err on the side of privacy Aug 14 23:55:38 Palm wants us to not use straight-up nduids Aug 14 23:56:08 Do they have an alternative? Or just hash it ourselves? Aug 14 23:57:26 what is your intent ? Aug 14 23:57:51 To marry a data-set to a unique user, across multiple data acquisitions. Aug 14 23:58:08 sha1 or md5 it Aug 14 23:58:10 they don't offer anything Aug 14 23:58:15 roll your own Aug 14 23:58:29 nduid shouldn't be used for user identification .. just device identification Aug 14 23:58:53 For my case, assuming the device is the user is good enough. Aug 14 23:59:04 How long are these UIDs? Are they alpha-numeric? Aug 14 23:59:10 * madnificent gives dekan his word Aug 14 23:59:11 * dekan is now carrying madnificent's word. Aug 14 23:59:18 hahahaha Aug 14 23:59:18 cool, it understands! Aug 14 23:59:29 they're pretty long Aug 14 23:59:36 they may already be a hash of some type Aug 15 00:00:00 Erkan_Yilmaz: I think they are md5 hashes Aug 15 00:00:14 Error454: example one: a66690b3632bb592b29c6a15416717b9ee072b3f Aug 15 00:00:32 lol Aug 15 00:00:32 OH NO, that person is IN TROUBLE! Aug 15 00:01:06 some people are nuts about it, but I don't think it's a big deal, you can't really do anything with it Aug 15 00:01:12 looks like it's the same length of a shasum Aug 15 00:03:10 Right, works for me. Aug 15 00:06:16 hmm, writing PDK apps without an actual device is a little painful Aug 15 00:06:37 hoh Aug 15 00:07:54 Error454: as in: you can't testrun the cpu nor the memory constraints? Aug 15 00:08:10 has anyone tried the gba emulator? the sound seems to be lagging here on gba games Aug 15 00:08:16 yea Aug 15 00:08:41 madnificent: CPU for one, it's hard to tell what device performance will really be. Can't look at the memory footprint and also can't verify whether my IPK actually runs. Aug 15 00:08:41 madnificent: overclock Aug 15 00:08:47 uberkernel is your friend :) Aug 15 00:08:49 Anivrom|devMode: whas that in response to me or to Error454 ? Aug 15 00:08:54 you Aug 15 00:09:06 Tibfib: yeah, I'd rather not though... the battery is bad enough as it is Aug 15 00:09:18 If anyone needs a way to waste 10 minutes of their life please let me know. I have a PDK CPU Benchmark in the beta channel and just want to know whether it runs. Aug 15 00:09:20 It doesn't really hurt battery Aug 15 00:09:22 madnificent: uberkenel is good on battery Aug 15 00:09:24 Error454: upload it somewhere... Aug 15 00:09:31 barely a difference Aug 15 00:09:32 you could argue it helps Aug 15 00:09:45 how's that? Aug 15 00:10:01 I just overclock the cpu when I want to play GBA games and clock it back down when I'm done Aug 15 00:10:04 also: I'm actually quite happy with the performance of the device, I certainly wouldn't want to fry it Aug 15 00:10:17 there's no risk of frying it with ULK Aug 15 00:10:18 UK Aug 15 00:10:32 its tested to be stable Aug 15 00:10:35 I'll think about it... it's just an install from the homebrew app Aug 15 00:10:40 yea Aug 15 00:10:47 yes yes yes yes http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/14/george-lucas-officially-announces-star-wars-on-blu-ray-in-2011/ Aug 15 00:11:07 if palm would be the size of a big teddy bear, I'd give it a huge hug Aug 15 00:11:18 Can you guys see this? http://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=com.wordpress.mobilecoder.webosmark Aug 15 00:11:34 yeah Aug 15 00:11:40 Error454: yeah it says http://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=com.wordpress.mobilecoder.webosmark Aug 15 00:11:46 hah Aug 15 00:11:56 Error454: no, I can see the page Aug 15 00:12:19 Can people install the ipk from that page? I'm unfamiliar with how this works. Aug 15 00:12:33 Error454: should I search the market for WebOSMark, or eter the link? Aug 15 00:12:49 Error454: * app catalog (sorry) Aug 15 00:13:03 It's not currently listed in the catalog until I can validate that it runs Aug 15 00:13:18 So I would *think* you have to use the link Aug 15 00:13:33 Error454: /me would prefer not to type over the url and is not in a country to which palm will send apps (the phone is not available here) Aug 15 00:14:07 Error454: why don't you have a phone? and you can mail it to me if you want Aug 15 00:14:36 Well, I won a contest where I won 2 Palm Pre's, that was 3 months ago. I just figured I'd have them by now. Aug 15 00:15:15 lucky you! I had to sweat for mine =P Aug 15 00:15:19 Here is a direct link to the ipk: http://bit.ly/9rLJuE Aug 15 00:15:43 here's mine! http://bit.ly/be2McP Aug 15 00:15:46 it's not live yet, though Aug 15 00:15:58 sugardave: What did you make? Aug 15 00:16:05 lots of trouble Aug 15 00:16:09 haha Aug 15 00:16:18 this is just a beta app, really simple Aug 15 00:16:27 color flasher of your chosen NCAA team Aug 15 00:16:39 entering it in the browser gives me "this is not a WebOS application" but that may be correct anyways Aug 15 00:16:59 madnificent: yeah, I suspect that "after the 2 hours" or whatever, it will work Aug 15 00:17:07 * sugardave crosses his fingers. Aug 15 00:17:20 that has been my experience, 2 hours before it pops up Aug 15 00:17:44 my first submit since the catalog went out of beta, so never used these other feeds before Aug 15 00:18:00 still a lot smoother than it used to be (so far) Aug 15 00:20:45 Is it a PDK app? Aug 15 00:20:59 oh no Aug 15 00:21:03 I only do Mojo Aug 15 00:21:15 ah ok Aug 15 00:23:31 sugardave: once you get the app initially out there, updates will be live in a matter of minutes. it's slick Aug 15 00:23:45 awesome Aug 15 00:23:46 no, sugardave, YOU'RE AWESOME! Aug 15 00:23:53 scoobysnack Aug 15 00:23:54 Scoobydoobeedoo! Aug 15 00:23:55 thanks Aug 15 00:23:56 You're welcome, sugardave! Aug 15 00:24:01 hjahah Aug 15 00:24:04 haha Aug 15 00:24:09 stupid bot Aug 15 00:24:23 I haven't irc'd since 1992 Aug 15 00:24:34 Back when it was cool Aug 15 00:24:44 I MUDded instead Aug 15 00:24:46 And AOL was the internet Aug 15 00:25:16 I think we should bring back the MUDs, Mobile Muds Aug 15 00:25:33 a/s/l? Aug 15 00:25:44 xD Aug 15 00:25:47 25/yes please/here and now Aug 15 00:26:03 haha Aug 15 00:26:12 woo! Aug 15 00:26:42 My mind had almost finished forgetting those acronyms Aug 15 00:26:51 you're welcome Aug 15 00:27:15 well, I suppose they'd be abbreviations not acronyms Aug 15 00:29:02 Error454: I've thought about it...distributed MUDding Aug 15 00:29:12 I got ROM running on my Pre the night I brought it home Aug 15 00:29:28 as in Rivers of MUD? Aug 15 00:29:32 yeah Aug 15 00:29:34 hehe Aug 15 00:29:39 compiled damn fast Aug 15 00:29:41 nice Aug 15 00:30:06 I'm all about the distributed mud, in fact I want to take it a step further. Lets run a BBS on our phone. Aug 15 00:30:10 Error454: doesn't show an image Aug 15 00:30:12 haha Aug 15 00:30:27 it blanks the screen for a tenth of a second, trying to open up a card, and that's it Aug 15 00:30:43 :( worst fears realized, thanks for your time Aug 15 00:30:58 Are you running 1.4.5? Aug 15 00:31:06 yw, mail me another one if there's something new Aug 15 00:31:07 yup Aug 15 00:31:32 I think I really need a device so I can watch console messages fly by Aug 15 00:31:47 sorry, can't afford to buy you one Aug 15 00:31:51 I'll have to put my PDK spree on hold until I secure one. Aug 15 00:31:52 hey everyone, quick question about list widgets. When the items in a list are reordered are the items in the 'items' array reordered as well? Aug 15 00:31:56 haha Aug 15 00:32:07 yes. Aug 15 00:32:09 ifeanyi_1 Aug 15 00:32:17 blackberry can go ahead and have a "messenger" Aug 15 00:32:20 wait Aug 15 00:32:22 palm gets a whole BBS Aug 15 00:32:25 yes Aug 15 00:32:27 lol Aug 15 00:32:57 thanks! Anivrom|devMode Aug 15 00:33:38 Really, I want to open my phone up and see that my friend is logged into my BBS playing LORD. Aug 15 00:34:06 okay...I call shenannigans Aug 15 00:34:39 I sat in here one night telling people that when you reorder a list, the event contains the re-ordered items array and you all said I was crazy Aug 15 00:34:52 no Aug 15 00:34:55 it reorders them Aug 15 00:34:55 yes Aug 15 00:35:03 that really happened Aug 15 00:35:08 I wasnt ehre for it Aug 15 00:35:13 IT WAS YOU Aug 15 00:35:15 and I never gave any input denying your claim Aug 15 00:35:18 and haeffb Aug 15 00:35:21 No sir Aug 15 00:35:30 I have no recollection of this event you speak of Aug 15 00:35:43 madnificent: are you running a pre or pixi? Aug 15 00:35:45 but, I think I tested it later that night and found out I was wrong :P Aug 15 00:35:50 hahah Aug 15 00:36:01 So it doesn't contain the reordered list in the reorder event? Aug 15 00:36:09 now I'm not sure Aug 15 00:36:12 lol Aug 15 00:36:14 in ares it does Aug 15 00:36:24 maybe that's the difference Aug 15 00:36:25 ... but now I'm not sure either Aug 15 00:36:38 LMBO Aug 15 00:37:12 all I know is I have an array associated with my list that is supposed to mirror it, and when I change the order of my array, I can grab the list items just fine from using the event.index Aug 15 00:37:19 indexFrom/indexTo Aug 15 00:37:23 so idk Aug 15 00:37:32 seems to work for me no matter how many times I reorder it Aug 15 00:37:47 but then again i dont use the items model in my reorder event, just indexTo/From Aug 15 00:38:09 right...I'm about to settle this Aug 15 00:38:10 for me the items model is just a face with data I pull Aug 15 00:38:32 oh yeah event.toIndex and event.FromIndex work Aug 15 00:38:54 yea that one Aug 15 00:39:02 what I wanna do tho is just handle all the shuffling in the scene's deactivate method Aug 15 00:39:17 incase the user doesn't want to save the order? Aug 15 00:39:24 Why not just save a copy of the items array Aug 15 00:39:31 and push it back if the users cancels Aug 15 00:39:44 I'm jumping the gun on if that's what you want or not Aug 15 00:39:48 but I assume it is Aug 15 00:40:21 ifeanyi_1: see above Aug 15 00:40:44 I just don't want to have to update the database for each shuffle Aug 15 00:40:55 oh I see Aug 15 00:41:06 why would you need to? Aug 15 00:41:36 oh now I remember why I didn't settle it....use Ajax to build my list when the scene starts and I don't have to manage reorders locally....and I'm too lazy to mess with it right now :P Aug 15 00:41:47 to fix a bug in my initial more 'efficient' method Aug 15 00:43:17 thanks for the help guys. bout to go do some hacking Aug 15 00:45:42 Hmmm wondering how I can create an ipk of my app using ares. Aug 15 00:46:10 I have it downloaded to my comptuer Aug 15 00:46:18 any command line for that? Aug 15 00:48:02 Anivrom|devMode: isn't the same as packaging any other app? Aug 15 00:48:17 I've never packaged an app. Aug 15 00:48:27 I just run it directly ont he device through ares Aug 15 00:48:28 you don't have the sdk installed do you? Aug 15 00:48:31 I do Aug 15 00:48:32 duh Aug 15 00:48:33 :P Aug 15 00:48:49 Can't run emu without sdk Aug 15 00:48:49 palm-package DirWhereAppDirIsFound Aug 15 00:48:53 ok great Aug 15 00:49:01 I thought you didn't run the emu Aug 15 00:49:05 you're the best sugardave Aug 15 00:49:08 I dont much Aug 15 00:49:14 But I have used it extensively Aug 15 00:49:27 before my debug started working in ares that is Aug 15 00:49:34 heh Aug 15 00:49:46 ares ftw? <:D Aug 15 00:50:56 getting close to finishing my bug ridden halfbaked beta Aug 15 00:50:58 :/ Aug 15 01:04:25 pete skillman! Aug 15 01:04:57 when you think about it those people who left palm got a good deal -- lots of publicity :( Aug 15 01:08:00 what's the latest firmware version on VZW? Aug 15 01:18:57 GUESS WHAT I GOT!? Aug 15 01:19:33 $1,000,000! Aug 15 01:20:57 proceeds from illicit activities, no doubt Aug 15 01:21:40 involving midgets>? Aug 15 01:21:44 gross dude Aug 15 01:22:00 sugardave: my experience is that the list model isn't reordered, but I may be doing it wrong... Aug 15 01:22:57 I think emmetlollis found the same tho Aug 15 01:23:18 interesting cause it works fine for me Aug 15 01:25:31 haeffb: where would the sql db be stored on my device for my app Aug 15 01:29:50 depends Aug 15 01:30:26 on? Aug 15 01:30:33 if yu use ext: it's in /internal/media Aug 15 01:30:54 the USB mode directory Aug 15 01:31:08 not external Aug 15 01:31:23 otherwise it's...uh...somewhere else Aug 15 01:31:27 oh nice Aug 15 01:32:14 I always use ext: so it's easily accessible Aug 15 01:32:24 look on 101 Aug 15 01:36:25 dekan: mojo database is http://webos101.com/Mojo_Storage_Database Aug 15 01:36:26 Okay, sugardave. Aug 15 01:37:07 Anivrom|devMode: your beta is almost ready? Aug 15 01:37:20 um Aug 15 01:37:27 its not ready for beta Aug 15 01:37:36 but im testing it with someone in alpha...ish Aug 15 01:37:40 got alot of bugs Aug 15 01:37:48 I'm working on 5 fronts Aug 15 01:37:58 oic Aug 15 01:39:21 Hello room Aug 15 01:39:51 Did anybody find a hack for nova? Aug 15 01:40:05 Lately? Aug 15 01:44:23 Haeffb_pre: hey Aug 15 01:46:41 hey what up Aug 15 01:46:52 haeffb_pre: I knew I wasn't crazy Aug 15 01:47:45 yeah it was el not Anivrom|devMode Aug 15 01:48:35 ah Aug 15 01:48:39 wrong again Aug 15 01:48:43 :D Aug 15 01:49:43 palmpreuser1001: v 0.0.6 is on precentral now Aug 15 01:50:00 still no categories tho Aug 15 01:50:37 I know! Aug 15 01:50:57 I have 0.0.6 right now Aug 15 01:51:31 is working ok? Aug 15 01:52:04 Haeffb_pre: such a big improvement I say rate it around $1.99 to $2.49 if you want to stay competitive Aug 15 01:53:00 cool thanks Aug 15 01:53:17 More users will give your app a trial and error as some may like it. Some may not. But the price wouldn't be too much to complain about if you had in the app cat Aug 15 01:54:34 Haeffb_pre: if no one buys it try lowering your price or put it on sale say $1.49 seem reasonable? Aug 15 01:55:46 la fiesta! Aug 15 01:56:45 Not saying no one will buy it but there's margin of cheap rats out there that will go for the least expensive app Aug 15 01:57:34 Out of 2million estimated webOS users Aug 15 02:03:26 DO NOT CLICK ON THIS: http://bit.ly/aBz71d Aug 15 02:26:47 did vimeo videos work prior to 1.4.5? Aug 15 02:34:13 Hi all! Aug 15 02:35:55 word Aug 15 02:36:20 hi Anivrom|devMode. How's it going? Aug 15 02:36:28 not bad. Aug 15 02:36:49 headaches galore on this app but thats ok. Aug 15 02:37:23 smiles...I know exactly what you mean Aug 15 02:38:24 do you... do you really... Aug 15 02:38:36 lol...yes Aug 15 02:38:43 oh :P just checking Aug 15 02:38:53 ;-) Aug 15 02:39:54 whee, iHaveSpirit is in the beta feed Aug 15 02:39:59 yay Aug 15 02:40:09 hi sugardave! Aug 15 02:40:21 hi JenP! Aug 15 02:40:32 do you like college sports? Aug 15 02:40:35 sugardave: you've got mail Aug 15 02:40:58 Me? no not really Aug 15 02:41:08 Beer Pong! Aug 15 02:41:13 she loevs it. she's just kidding Aug 15 02:41:16 that's a sport Aug 15 02:41:17 ihavespirit.. what a horribly coded app Aug 15 02:41:24 lol Aug 15 02:41:31 dawm_: it's horrible Aug 15 02:41:37 lol Aug 15 02:42:31 sorry if my email was full of rambling, i hate trying to go back and edit things so i just keep running on all out of order when repling on the device Aug 15 02:42:43 unless its an important reply Aug 15 02:43:15 nah, it's cool...the important part was 'letters are cut off' Aug 15 02:43:21 yerp Aug 15 02:43:37 i put in testing testies! and noticed the g was cut off Aug 15 02:43:45 haha Aug 15 02:44:13 hahaha Aug 15 02:44:33 dekan: kesne is kesne-is-not-her Aug 15 02:44:34 sugardave: Your mom is kesne-is-not-her! Aug 15 02:44:59 dekan Aug 15 02:45:05 dekan:status report Aug 15 02:45:06 status report is all systems failing... OH CRAPPPPPPP! Aug 15 02:45:27 dekan:inventory Aug 15 02:45:28 * dekan is carrying a towel, the Hoe of Destruction, a big bunch of beautiful bananas, a swift kick in the ass, and madnificent's word. Aug 15 02:45:40 make me a sandwich Aug 15 02:45:41 * dekan talks a sandwich with lots of sword and C40. Aug 15 02:45:44 * CTLAdvance gives dekan balls of steel Aug 15 02:45:45 Okay, CTLAdvance. Aug 15 02:46:11 * CTLAdvance gives dekan the Duke Nukem Soundboard IPK Aug 15 02:46:12 * dekan now contains the Duke Nukem Soundboard IPK. Aug 15 02:46:26 hah Aug 15 02:46:26 http://isparade.jp/315211 Aug 15 02:46:56 * CTLAdvance gives dekan the latest build of Duke Nukem Forever Aug 15 02:46:57 * dekan is now carrying the latest build of Duke Nukem Forever. Aug 15 02:47:19 i hope the gearbox rumors are true Aug 15 02:48:48 off to bed Aug 15 02:51:00 Hey all! Aug 15 02:51:44 hi kesne! Aug 15 02:51:53 JenP! **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Aug 15 02:59:57 2010