**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Aug 15 02:59:57 2010 Aug 15 03:03:26 * CTLAdvance gives dekan Kesne Frozen in a solid block of Carbonite Aug 15 03:03:27 Okay, CTLAdvance. Aug 15 03:17:37 sugardave: congrats. Aug 15 03:17:48 now maybe it'll show up on precentral too.... Aug 15 03:17:55 that won't happen Aug 15 03:17:58 I took care of that Aug 15 03:18:15 anyone know if tehre is a palm-row.reorder class? Aug 15 03:18:18 or something similair? Aug 15 03:18:38 I think there is Aug 15 03:18:41 haeffb!! Aug 15 03:18:55 jenp! Aug 15 03:19:06 how are you! Aug 15 03:19:06 palm-reorder-element Aug 15 03:19:10 tried palm-row.reorder and no worky Aug 15 03:19:14 great. Aug 15 03:19:19 thats for a list? Aug 15 03:19:39 just got home from sister&brother-in-law 30th anniversary party Aug 15 03:19:40 check it out C:\Program Files\Palm\SDK\share\refcode\webos-framework\330\stylesheets\global-lists.css Aug 15 03:19:49 ah yes yes Aug 15 03:20:07 now why didnt sugardave think of that sooner... duh Aug 15 03:20:09 I mean me Aug 15 03:20:11 Why didnt I Aug 15 03:20:13 wow! 30 years that's awesome Aug 15 03:20:19 .palm-reorder-element Aug 15 03:20:23 .palm-row.palm-reorder-element Aug 15 03:20:36 yeah, long time. Aug 15 03:20:43 ... that's what I said! Aug 15 03:20:44 * haeffb is 21+ Aug 15 03:20:50 not quite Aug 15 03:20:52 but close Aug 15 03:20:53 but I said it third Aug 15 03:21:01 No, that's exactly what I said. Aug 15 03:21:07 sugardave added the .palm-row. infront Aug 15 03:21:21 okay, fine :P Aug 15 03:21:24 which to me isnt a given :P Aug 15 03:21:34 but sorry ladies doesn't work anyway Aug 15 03:23:18 how long does it usually take to make it to the real app redirect page on the web from the beta feed? Aug 15 03:23:55 oh, there it is...I was refreshing the error page :D Aug 15 03:25:01 error... error.... error... Aug 15 03:25:17 lol Aug 15 03:25:35 * haeffb needs a new project Aug 15 03:25:54 I got one. its a fulltime job though, debug my game Aug 15 03:25:56 node.js/mongodb/joombal Aug 15 03:26:12 Anivrom: I ain't got that kinda time. Aug 15 03:26:21 hah Aug 15 03:26:28 Guess its up to me :( Aug 15 03:27:43 node.js sux Aug 15 03:27:48 Don't use it Aug 15 03:27:51 ok so sugardave, I changed the class and now its splittle the background image into 2, bottom half on top and upper half on bottom Aug 15 03:28:01 progress? Aug 15 03:28:04 splitting* Aug 15 03:28:11 It was doing that before on occasion though Aug 15 03:28:18 it was doing that before just holding it Aug 15 03:28:19 http://tigercountrysoftware.com/noted/ Aug 15 03:28:19 yeah Aug 15 03:28:55 haeffb: fancy site you got there :D Aug 15 03:29:10 haeffb did you see your icon is on palms main site? Aug 15 03:29:22 :O Aug 15 03:29:23 Nope. where? Aug 15 03:29:35 yea where Aug 15 03:29:41 sugardave: I made it all out of spare 1's and 0's I had laying around... Aug 15 03:29:41 http://www.palm.com/us/ Aug 15 03:29:55 where's teh icon? Aug 15 03:30:05 :P Aug 15 03:30:21 haeffb: nice :D Aug 15 03:30:22 awesome! Aug 15 03:30:22 awesome is codeslaw Aug 15 03:30:31 congrats! Aug 15 03:30:41 .. i still dont see it Aug 15 03:30:54 it's the "done" icon Aug 15 03:30:59 ohhh Aug 15 03:31:04 thought you meant noted! Aug 15 03:31:54 nah, that one hasn't even been submitted yet. Aug 15 03:32:19 haeffb: that's cool, congrats Aug 15 03:32:33 JenP and her boy made the Done icon for me. Aug 15 03:32:39 the one under yours KINDA looks like the brain for Mind Master, but not Aug 15 03:32:58 yup...and his reversi image is on the dev site Aug 15 03:33:20 I'm almost as big as evernote....! Aug 15 03:33:30 haeWhich one is yours? Aug 15 03:33:42 Er Aug 15 03:33:46 i know huh? Aug 15 03:33:50 haeffb: Which one is yours Aug 15 03:33:52 let's see, seven notes apps featured on Palms page, and I'm about to release....a notes app. Aug 15 03:34:00 Done Aug 15 03:34:01 hah Aug 15 03:34:04 the big red checkmark Aug 15 03:34:30 haeffb: That's the lowest quality most pixilated icon on that page Aug 15 03:34:47 kesne - it's on the page. Aug 15 03:34:57 oh look I see checkers icon too Aug 15 03:35:00 haeffb: Good for you, but still Aug 15 03:35:04 ... wait no, no I dont Aug 15 03:35:07 Anivrom: :P Aug 15 03:35:08 hah Aug 15 03:35:13 Bet mines been downloaded more times :P Aug 15 03:35:17 prolly Aug 15 03:35:30 how often do they play it after they download it? Aug 15 03:35:38 I barely play some games I downloaded Aug 15 03:35:46 once you play checkers you never stop playing checkers Aug 15 03:35:47 although I'm into radiant atm Aug 15 03:35:53 or is that shooting heroin Aug 15 03:35:54 I forget Aug 15 03:36:13 a little o' a, a little o' b Aug 15 03:36:23 too much checkers will do that to you, sugardave Aug 15 03:37:24 Checkers is an amazing useless dumb app Aug 15 03:37:38 and it actually looks like Palm recreated the icon. it's different than mine. Aug 15 03:37:50 kesne, sugardave: do snacks/vitamins work fine for you? Aug 15 03:38:03 Anivrom: for what? Aug 15 03:38:04 I should call them and ask for it. Aug 15 03:38:21 you should Aug 15 03:38:23 for "it" Aug 15 03:38:33 remind me to ask chuqui when/if he returns Aug 15 03:38:46 Anivrom: they did in the first one...I think they do in this one Aug 15 03:39:30 haeffb: How is it different? Aug 15 03:39:48 Anivrom: Aye Aug 15 03:39:51 subtle ways Aug 15 03:40:02 they obviously wouldnt have put a 64x64 icon on the main page and not redo it Aug 15 03:40:07 it'd be horribly pixelated Aug 15 03:40:13 It is Aug 15 03:40:16 no its not Aug 15 03:40:23 Look Aug 15 03:40:26 its got a bit of aliasing issues Aug 15 03:40:27 It's choppe Aug 15 03:40:30 Choppy Aug 15 03:40:39 yea, aliasing Aug 15 03:40:44 Also choppe Aug 15 03:40:47 designers fault Aug 15 03:41:05 Haha Aug 15 03:42:36 theirs has a different checkmark, and lines on the second page (under the curl) that mine/jenp's didn't have. Aug 15 03:42:46 nodnod Aug 15 03:44:21 so jenp and I will sue for copyright infringement and make million$ Aug 15 03:44:33 lol Aug 15 03:44:35 you mean $millions? Aug 15 03:44:43 oops. Guess I shouldn't have made it open source. Aug 15 03:44:48 heh Aug 15 03:45:02 fool! Aug 15 03:45:18 darn them palm tricksters - telling me I could save $50 by going OSS Aug 15 03:45:29 haha then refunding it Aug 15 03:45:40 hahhaha Aug 15 03:47:05 uhoh...my USB crack has come around the curve and almost to the screen Aug 15 03:47:29 ? Aug 15 03:48:17 both my Pre's have cracked at the USB port. Aug 15 03:48:33 mine has lost it's little cover Aug 15 03:49:12 time for new hardware Aug 15 03:49:20 I'm talking to YOU Palm! Aug 15 03:49:27 we know you're listening. Aug 15 03:49:43 yes!!!! I totally agree! Aug 15 03:49:49 here here Aug 15 03:50:04 my niece and nephew were sporting new Androids tonight. Other niece, sis-in-law and bro-in-law with their iPhones. Aug 15 03:50:09 C40 Aug 15 03:50:12 need one Aug 15 03:50:23 somebody's getting left behind Aug 15 03:50:55 (although I had to show b-i-l how to find football scores on his ESPN app) Aug 15 03:51:13 on the other hand HE HAD AN ESPN APP. Aug 15 03:51:49 haeffb: looks like you found a new app idea Aug 15 03:51:50 gogogogogogogo Aug 15 03:52:08 I'd get it done & ESPN would shut me down Aug 15 03:52:24 yahoo on the other hand...might be a posibility Aug 15 03:53:02 Anivrom: this site needs a new logo for the upper left if you're bored someday: http://tigercountrysoftware.com/ Aug 15 03:53:56 The fact that I spent three hours on that one is an indication of my graphic design skillz Aug 15 03:53:56 the paws? Aug 15 03:54:04 the whole thing. Aug 15 03:54:08 oh I see Aug 15 03:54:13 Yea its plain but not too bad Aug 15 03:54:15 simple Aug 15 03:54:19 haeffb: yahoo APIs come with too many restrictions Aug 15 03:54:45 is a 212x40 image gogogogogogogo Aug 15 03:54:50 dohtem: really? Aug 15 03:55:16 a few of them forbid you from using them in commercial apps Aug 15 03:55:18 wife just finished making cake Aug 15 03:55:23 And I have some vachon brownies Aug 15 03:55:38 pig out with my jig out Aug 15 04:02:33 3... Aug 15 04:02:38 2... Aug 15 04:02:44 1.... Aug 15 04:02:49 ....0.5 Aug 15 04:02:53 ....0.2 Aug 15 04:02:56 0.111 Aug 15 04:02:57 gogogo Aug 15 04:03:04 Hi Aug 15 04:03:25 VVelcome Aug 15 04:04:26 Kal: hi Aug 15 04:04:39 guess it doesn't work afterall Aug 15 04:04:45 meh Aug 15 04:12:58 its not fair Aug 15 04:14:50 which doesn't what? Aug 15 04:14:57 goodnight Aug 15 04:14:58 night night, Tibfib Aug 15 04:15:01 night tib Aug 15 04:15:43 haeffb: thought i setup mirc to alert her when her name was mentioned but apparently its not working Aug 15 04:15:47 Kal: Aug 15 04:16:02 Kal Aug 15 04:16:10 nope Aug 15 04:16:12 Kal Aug 15 04:16:28 I'm sitting beside her and no sound Aug 15 04:17:20 I bet you're doing it wrong Aug 15 04:17:25 I bet you're right Aug 15 04:26:41 this.controller.window.innerWidth; technically that should work right? Aug 15 04:30:43 lol Aug 15 04:33:55 webos101 says it should yet it throws me an error. LIES Aug 15 04:34:16 what error? Aug 15 04:34:22 goodnight dekan Aug 15 04:34:29 dekan: goodnight Aug 15 04:34:30 night night, haeffb Aug 15 04:34:45 you going to sleep? Aug 15 04:34:51 shortly Aug 15 04:35:09 something about window not being a property of controller Aug 15 04:35:10 idk Aug 15 04:35:34 WOO Aug 15 04:37:01 dekan: hellow Aug 15 04:37:01 I do not know. Aug 15 04:37:04 dekan: hello Aug 15 04:37:04 nihao Aug 15 04:37:19 kesne-away! Aug 15 04:37:40 use sugardave's debugObject to look at this.controller to see if there's a window Aug 15 04:38:11 or ares debugger :P Aug 15 04:38:39 ares debugger shows all the dom nodes for everything in your app Aug 15 04:39:46 or that Aug 15 04:39:57 how do I get ares debugger? Aug 15 04:40:08 1 min Aug 15 04:40:25 http://ares.palm.com/AresDebug/ Aug 15 04:44:37 my controller has a window. Aug 15 04:44:46 debugger looks rather useful... :) Aug 15 04:45:01 fine Aug 15 04:45:04 I will look at it Aug 15 04:45:07 its superuseful. especially breakpoints, stepping through Aug 15 04:45:07 jeez Aug 15 04:45:10 hahah Aug 15 04:45:19 it's not Ares, it's a debugger that works with emu Aug 15 04:45:29 haeffb: I can't find any TOS for yahoo fantasy football Aug 15 04:45:32 for baseball yes Aug 15 04:45:36 not football Aug 15 04:45:54 breakpoints and looking at all the variables is nice Aug 15 04:46:13 yeah, you just start up the app in the emu and go to that url...that's it? Aug 15 04:46:43 pretty much Aug 15 04:46:58 * Anivrom watches as ppl slowly start joining the light side Aug 15 04:47:03 debugObject may be obsolete Aug 15 04:47:18 does it work with device, too? Aug 15 04:47:26 yes Aug 15 04:47:29 fully compatible Aug 15 04:47:36 its the ares debugger standalone Aug 15 04:48:04 Error: Error: Cannot read property 'window' of object, line undefined, file undefined, palmInitFramework347:2527 Aug 15 04:48:45 I will probably have to use ff Aug 15 04:48:53 * haeffb on ff Aug 15 04:48:55 Anivrom: sounds like an unbound this Aug 15 04:49:14 is there a way to see the file structure in the emulator? Aug 15 04:49:17 its in my game.js so yea guess you're right Aug 15 04:49:33 i need to look at the /media/internal folder Aug 15 04:51:22 it's slow as molasses, though Aug 15 04:51:47 mhmmm Aug 15 04:52:02 you're just spoiled with desktop ide Aug 15 04:52:16 stepping into a function Aug 15 04:52:24 takes forever I know Aug 15 04:52:26 each line takes forever to evaluate Aug 15 04:52:41 JenP: I'm not sure you can get directory listings Aug 15 04:53:03 hmmm well how the heck am i suppose to verify the file got downloaded? Aug 15 04:53:10 how do you use this...I hit 'Get Scripts' and I thought it was doing something Aug 15 04:53:15 wanted me to verify a signature Aug 15 04:53:24 JenP: are you using the download manager? Aug 15 04:53:30 put your app name in there Aug 15 04:53:31 omg got it to work!! Aug 15 04:53:36 woo Aug 15 04:53:38 ! Aug 15 04:54:01 where it says script filter Aug 15 04:54:10 I see it Aug 15 04:54:16 my ff just crashed I think Aug 15 04:54:23 yep Aug 15 04:54:26 bummer Aug 15 04:54:45 so debugObject not obsolete....yet.... Aug 15 04:54:54 ok, this time I'm really out. Aug 15 04:55:01 cya Aug 15 04:55:02 dekan: goodnight Aug 15 04:55:02 night night, haeffb Aug 15 04:55:25 night Aug 15 04:55:38 yeah and now it tells me remote debugging session already eabled Aug 15 04:55:44 enabled, too Aug 15 04:55:51 when you reopen Aug 15 04:55:52 ? Aug 15 04:55:54 yep Aug 15 04:56:08 unplug phone? Aug 15 04:56:13 emu Aug 15 04:56:15 or close app Aug 15 04:56:15 only Aug 15 04:56:17 F YEAH Aug 15 04:56:20 PM INBOX FTW Aug 15 04:56:29 I didn't know there was a delete thing in JS Aug 15 04:56:32 To delete stuff Aug 15 04:56:44 delete pms.username Aug 15 04:56:53 simple like popping a pimple Aug 15 05:00:53 * sugardave gives dekan the promise of a new day Aug 15 05:00:53 * dekan now contains the promise of a new day. Aug 15 05:06:47 dekan: inventory Aug 15 05:06:48 * dekan is carrying a towel, the Hoe of Destruction, a big bunch of beautiful bananas, a swift kick in the ass, madnificent's word, balls of steel, the Duke Nukem Soundboard IPK, the latest build of Duke Nukem Forever, Kesne Frozen in a solid block of Carbonite, and the promise of a new day. Aug 15 05:06:56 Hey, look, me! Aug 15 05:07:10 dekan: give me the Duke Nukem Soundboard IPK Aug 15 05:07:11 I don't know Aug 15 05:07:19 dekan: GODDAMNIT YES YOU DO! Aug 15 05:07:20 UNCAUGHT EXCEPTION: TERMINATING Aug 15 05:07:29 dekan: DAMN STRAIGHT Aug 15 05:07:29 I'm sorry, there's currently nothing associated with that keyphrase. Aug 15 05:19:37 * Anivrom wonders how sugardave broke his list Aug 15 05:19:45 I've been trying fora while and cant do it Aug 15 05:20:43 anyways dekan: goodnight Aug 15 05:30:51 dekan: inventory Aug 15 05:30:52 * dekan contains a towel, the Hoe of Destruction, a big bunch of beautiful bananas, a swift kick in the ass, madnificent's word, balls of steel, the Duke Nukem Soundboard IPK, the latest build of Duke Nukem Forever, Kesne Frozen in a solid block of Carbonite, and the promise of a new day. Aug 15 05:31:11 * halfhalo gives dekan pie Aug 15 05:31:12 Okay, halfhalo. Aug 15 05:31:15 * maik pats dekan Aug 15 05:31:16 * dekan purrrrrrrrrr Aug 15 05:31:29 creep Aug 15 05:31:37 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140440710150#ht_500wt_1154 someone buy that please Aug 15 05:31:44 DAMMIT ZURG WHY YOU UP IN MAH GRILL Aug 15 05:32:02 s/ZURG/ZERG Aug 15 05:32:55 ehhh Aug 15 05:32:58 why audiobone Aug 15 05:34:45 cause they're cool Aug 15 05:34:51 lol Aug 15 05:38:20 Qoo Aug 15 05:38:40 WOO Aug 15 05:38:44 Oops Aug 15 05:38:44 caps Aug 15 05:38:48 lol Aug 15 05:38:57 Just added Mention support in Checkers Chat Aug 15 05:39:07 want a cookie? Aug 15 05:39:14 YES Aug 15 05:39:21 to bad Aug 15 05:39:30 * halfhalo noms all the cookies Aug 15 05:39:30 Now trying to get this darn cupcake system to work with me Aug 15 05:40:33 cupcakes is a nice idea Aug 15 05:40:36 Now will it work? Aug 15 05:40:56 Are sqlite databases deleted with the app Aug 15 05:41:06 mebe Aug 15 05:41:24 write a custom handler that syncs it with your online system Aug 15 05:42:04 I do Aug 15 05:42:06 NUKE NUKE NUKE NUKE NUKE! Aug 15 05:42:09 I'm working on it Aug 15 05:42:16 Actually, not with PM's Aug 15 05:42:19 WORK HARDER! Aug 15 05:42:45 Only with settings Aug 15 05:42:49 And a few other things Aug 15 05:42:53 Friends, settings Aug 15 05:42:55 I think thats it Aug 15 05:44:04 nukynuky! Aug 15 05:44:18 ? Aug 15 05:44:29 playing starcraft 2 Aug 15 05:44:39 okay Aug 15 05:45:22 Dont be hatin Aug 15 05:45:29 I don't Aug 15 05:45:32 I was in the bets Aug 15 05:45:33 beta Aug 15 05:47:01 * kesne crosses fingers Aug 15 05:47:12 YES Aug 15 05:47:14 OH BABY Aug 15 05:47:16 YES YES YES Aug 15 05:47:48 Theres only two things that make people say that. Sex and programminf. I;m guessing its the second with you Aug 15 05:48:06 Haha Aug 15 05:48:07 Yeah Aug 15 05:48:13 I got cupcakes working Aug 15 05:48:16 saves PMs now Aug 15 05:48:33 Now theres a shocker…. about the sex, I mean Aug 15 05:48:34 :p Aug 15 05:48:35 Todo list: make delete work more, only PM users online Aug 15 05:50:21 my todo list: start programming again Aug 15 05:51:13 PDK Fart app? Aug 15 05:51:15 I think so Aug 15 05:51:35 Hmm Aug 15 05:51:39 This should work Aug 15 05:52:34 Maybe a timeout will save me Aug 15 05:52:49 PMitTheUser = this.PMmodel.items[event.index].user.toLowerCase(); Aug 15 05:52:50 var theNum = 0; Aug 15 05:52:50 pms.each(function(dleter){ Aug 15 05:52:50 //Mojo.Controller.errorDialog(dleter.to); Aug 15 05:52:51 if(dleter.to.toLowerCase() == PMitTheUser){ Aug 15 05:52:51 //Mojo.Controller.errorDialog("Deleting!"); Aug 15 05:52:51 delete pms[theNum]; Aug 15 05:52:51 } Aug 15 05:52:52 theNum++; Aug 15 05:52:52 }); Aug 15 05:52:58 Anybody know why that wouldn't work? Aug 15 05:53:08 * kesne should have pastebin'd it Aug 15 05:55:24 yathink? Aug 15 05:59:50 halfhalo: But do you see anything wrong? Aug 15 05:59:59 SHHOT Aug 15 06:00:03 I just do now Aug 15 06:00:14 When it deletes a log, the numbers will get off Aug 15 06:02:41 yup Aug 15 06:02:53 and i have a fluffy puppy on me Aug 15 06:04:23 Aww :) Aug 15 06:05:05 aww? Aug 15 06:05:14 he forgot to say its because he put peanut butter on his balls Aug 15 06:05:34 lol no Aug 15 06:06:00 He wants my ice in my cup Aug 15 06:06:31 lol at oil Aug 15 06:06:53 My dog LOVES ice Aug 15 06:08:45 * oil thought you were going to say peanut butter Aug 15 06:09:34 you sick bastard Aug 15 06:10:03 :p Aug 15 06:10:19 hey, you're the ones with dogs Aug 15 06:10:39 least my minds not in the gutter. Well, not right now at least Aug 15 06:10:57 what not this second but every other? Aug 15 06:11:06 pretty much Aug 15 06:20:41 If you guys aren't using cupcakes, you should be Aug 15 06:20:44 cookies sux Aug 15 06:22:46 cupcakes are really the way to go Aug 15 06:24:28 It's like depot Aug 15 06:24:31 only faster Aug 15 06:28:11 cupcakes aren't saved if the user exits the app before it has a chance to write to the db Aug 15 06:28:12 lame Aug 15 06:28:19 asynchronous Aug 15 06:28:32 Throw it in dactivate Aug 15 06:28:34 cookies > db Aug 15 06:28:36 System of a Down - Chop Suey! Aug 15 06:28:37 *deactivate Aug 15 06:28:42 cookies == 4k Aug 15 06:28:51 PM Inbox is on average 100k Aug 15 06:28:53 why the hell are you storing more than 4k in a cookie? Aug 15 06:29:09 or anywhere even near 4k Aug 15 06:29:12 PM Inbox Aug 15 06:29:14 sync > async Aug 15 06:29:15 Er Aug 15 06:29:20 4kb Aug 15 06:29:22 orKB Aug 15 06:29:24 or whatever Aug 15 06:29:27 oil: +1 on that Aug 15 06:29:34 yes, kB. still Aug 15 06:29:35 oil: But I take what I can get Aug 15 06:29:43 maik: PM inbox Aug 15 06:29:45 cookies aren't meant for that, they're meant for settings Aug 15 06:29:55 ^ Aug 15 06:29:59 True Aug 15 06:30:12 But still Aug 15 06:30:38 i'm going to use your app, make a change and quit before it has a chance to write to the db, and then complain all up and down your ass that things aren't saving Aug 15 06:30:47 ! Aug 15 06:30:53 i am mayhem Aug 15 06:30:56 :D Aug 15 06:31:23 maik: I've just written some work-around code Aug 15 06:31:25 Because of you Aug 15 06:31:29 it spawns a dash xD Aug 15 06:31:30 Now saves on every change Aug 15 06:31:31 just now? Aug 15 06:31:32 BITCH Aug 15 06:31:35 yes Aug 15 06:31:37 just now Aug 15 06:31:43 i bet i can make quit faster than it can write the change Aug 15 06:31:44 not possible Aug 15 06:31:46 :D Aug 15 06:31:48 you didn't ask anyone how Aug 15 06:31:52 -make Aug 15 06:31:53 unless you... googled? Aug 15 06:31:54 oil: You suck Aug 15 06:31:54 below....me. Aug 15 06:31:58 * oil is shocked! Aug 15 06:32:02 hahahahah Aug 15 06:32:02 haha Aug 15 06:32:08 * maik pats dekan Aug 15 06:32:09 * dekan purrrrrrrrrr Aug 15 06:32:22 maik: I bet you can't ;) Aug 15 06:32:42 if it's writing anything near 4k, i bet i can Aug 15 06:32:43 IIRC, Apps have a full second after the app closes to do stuff Aug 15 06:32:50 especially over 4k Aug 15 06:32:52 hmm Aug 15 06:33:01 more time then they know what to do with Aug 15 06:33:17 I'm swapping compts Aug 15 06:33:21 comps Aug 15 06:33:22 brb Aug 15 06:33:23 why not just use a regular depot and only cookie-ize stuff you need cookie-ized? Aug 15 06:33:32 sigh Aug 15 06:33:45 why not use cookies and sqlite for that matter? Aug 15 06:34:07 i think that's where i was going with that Aug 15 06:34:19 Serj Tankian - The Unthinking Majority Aug 15 06:34:24 * maik <3 serj Aug 15 06:34:39 sounds depressing Aug 15 06:34:50 not at all Aug 15 06:35:39 I can't seem to find anything that tells me I can't scrape ncaa.org Aug 15 06:35:59 I feel that I have looked pretty thoroughly Aug 15 06:36:21 scrape? Aug 15 06:36:24 agh, my 500GB drive is under 200GB free! Aug 15 06:36:30 o noes my storage Aug 15 06:36:55 My 800GB drive has 500GB free Aug 15 06:37:13 My backup drive has 50GB Aug 15 06:37:14 mi piddly 320GB has 115GB free Aug 15 06:37:23 And my external 1T has 700GB Aug 15 06:41:02 God Aug 15 06:41:06 I really hate some of this stuff Aug 15 06:43:08 PM counters done Aug 15 06:43:22 Now it just needs to remember the damn pms 100% of the time Aug 15 06:45:37 Oh Aug 15 06:45:46 And background stuff messes it up Aug 15 06:45:51 So I need to add support for that Aug 15 06:48:17 oil: can you look at something? Aug 15 06:50:54 guess not Aug 15 06:50:55 :'( Aug 15 06:51:01 sugardave: You want to? Aug 15 06:51:20 what is it? Aug 15 06:51:29 sugardave: Some JSON stuff Aug 15 06:51:46 sure Aug 15 06:52:12 sugardave: http://paste2.org/p/950896 Aug 15 06:52:29 sugardave: I'm trying to delete all the records for a username Aug 15 06:52:36 but doing this here doesn't work Aug 15 06:52:38 At all, really Aug 15 06:53:01 yeah, I think it is because you are attempting to delete the very thing you are iterating on Aug 15 06:53:07 but I'm not sure Aug 15 06:53:22 if you move the log line to after delete does it show the log? Aug 15 06:54:06 oh wait Aug 15 06:54:12 I read that wrong Aug 15 06:54:33 okay Aug 15 06:54:59 kesne Aug 15 06:55:07 did you read the .each() documentation? Aug 15 06:55:13 it gets to arguments Aug 15 06:55:14 What about it? Aug 15 06:55:16 item and index Aug 15 06:55:26 oh Aug 15 06:56:18 array.each(function(item, index) {if item.to.toLowerCase... {delete pms[index]}}); Aug 15 06:56:22 Let me try that Aug 15 06:57:08 Hmm Aug 15 06:57:12 Seemed to work on everything Aug 15 06:57:17 EXCEPT for the last one Aug 15 06:57:30 99%! Aug 15 06:57:33 that's an A+ Aug 15 06:58:45 Haha Aug 15 06:58:56 sugardave: Won't the counting get off because I'm deleteing stuff? Aug 15 06:59:23 or is each smart? Aug 15 07:00:03 each is supposed to be smart, but I haven't tried delete inside it Aug 15 07:00:18 sugardave: Alright Aug 15 07:00:20 each may be smart, but it is a lot less efficient than using an index Aug 15 07:00:21 I'll keep playing Aug 15 07:00:26 you could use splice I think Aug 15 07:00:30 maik: F that Aug 15 07:00:35 Splice? Aug 15 07:00:36 i'm just saying Aug 15 07:00:39 ir slice whichever Aug 15 07:00:40 it may not be practical Aug 15 07:02:02 array.splice() removes things from the array Aug 15 07:06:55 maik: Do you know a better way to do it? Aug 15 07:06:56 No, but if you hum a few bars I can fake it Aug 15 07:07:12 use an index, like i mentioned Aug 15 07:07:52 maik: Okay, what would that look like? Aug 15 07:07:59 * kesne is incapible of thinking Aug 15 07:08:14 instead of for each you use for (i=0; i or whatever the js equivalent is Aug 15 07:08:32 you need to know the limit to use i as your index though Aug 15 07:08:45 maik: Why not each? Aug 15 07:08:55 it's inefficient Aug 15 07:09:22 a straight up for loop with no fancy "each item in this array" is much faster Aug 15 07:10:30 maik: With that though, I'm sure the numbers would get off Aug 15 07:10:48 is your object changing while you're iterating through it...? Aug 15 07:11:04 yes Aug 15 07:11:11 what the fuck, dude Aug 15 07:11:21 maik: I already said this, I'm deleting stuff Aug 15 07:11:39 alright, well you should still be a good enough programmer to handle the changes :) Aug 15 07:12:18 secondly, why not keep track of the items that need deletion, then delete them all after your done iterating Aug 15 07:12:23 maik: So when I delete a row, use an i-- Aug 15 07:12:28 you're lucky js is so forgiving Aug 15 07:12:38 maik: That was my idea Aug 15 07:12:43 but I really don't want to do that Aug 15 07:13:01 that could work, i don't know enough about your data Aug 15 07:13:31 maik: I might take your approach, the keeping track one. What are the advantages of that? Aug 15 07:14:56 your object doesn't change while you're operating on it, which most would agree is a good idea Aug 15 07:15:08 and just using for i instead of for each speeds up processing Aug 15 07:15:25 which would probably help. especially if you're talking about chunks of your data being over 4k Aug 15 07:15:54 maik: Issue with that though Aug 15 07:16:00 with that said, i'm not an expert on this matter, digitalpowers would definitely be able to explain the whys as it's kind of his job Aug 15 07:16:16 maik: As soon as I delete one, the other's index would be wrong Aug 15 07:16:42 that's why you don't delete until you're done iterating Aug 15 07:16:46 erm Aug 15 07:16:47 I know Aug 15 07:16:49 but still Aug 15 07:16:49 :P Aug 15 07:17:06 Is 692 DOM Nodes a lot? Aug 15 07:17:21 for facebook? no. for your phone? probably Aug 15 07:17:48 maik: Hehe Aug 15 07:17:53 don't make your iteration index dependent on your data's index field Aug 15 07:18:14 maik: Okay, how? Aug 15 07:18:37 each record has its own ID, right? Aug 15 07:19:01 No sir Aug 15 07:19:10 Why would I give out ID's? Aug 15 07:19:14 then what are you worried about other's indexes? Aug 15 07:19:24 i honestly have no idea what data you're dealing with Aug 15 07:19:34 Looks like this Aug 15 07:19:44 "the other's index would be wrong" <- what "other's" ? Aug 15 07:20:12 [{to: "kesne", from: "bob", message: "hey!"}] Aug 15 07:20:24 I want to delete everything where to = a username Aug 15 07:21:23 DELETE FROM Records WHERE to='username' :D Aug 15 07:21:35 This isn't sql bro Aug 15 07:21:45 ya, my brain is scrambled eggs atm Aug 15 07:21:50 soooo Aug 15 07:22:15 I wish it was SQL Aug 15 07:22:58 oh i see now... your records need identifiers if your going to be removing shit from them Aug 15 07:23:03 after the fact Aug 15 07:23:19 maik: Sure? Aug 15 07:23:25 maik: I COULD assign ID's Aug 15 07:23:31 but that'd be a huge effort Aug 15 07:23:51 it could be dynamic, only loaded when your app actually gets it, but not actually in your database anywhere Aug 15 07:24:04 so as your loading up your json object to be sent, add an index field Aug 15 07:24:16 ugh Aug 15 07:24:24 but hold on. was it working when you were doing for each? Aug 15 07:25:15 maik: No Aug 15 07:25:32 just making sure Aug 15 07:25:53 it not working is probably because you're deleting things on the fly. while it's an elegant solution, it's not much of a solution if it doesn't work Aug 15 07:26:03 sometimes more code is more better Aug 15 07:26:42 maik: What? Aug 15 07:27:18 the reason it isn't working is probably as i and sugardave hypothesized earlier, that your deleting records on the fly is causing it to break while you're iterating Aug 15 07:27:25 maik: http://paste2.org/p/950923 Aug 15 07:27:32 My current bit Aug 15 07:27:35 so while deleting things on the fly appears to be an elegant solution, if it's breaking things, it's not a solution Aug 15 07:28:24 maik: What should I do? Aug 15 07:28:46 ya, that's a problem because doing "delete pms[i]" almost certainly brings every record below it up a number Aug 15 07:29:00 oh, but your i-- should compensate Aug 15 07:29:09 I get this error Aug 15 07:29:26 "TypeError: Cannot read property 'to' of undefined Aug 15 07:29:58 have you tried getting a copy of the object at each iteration (may try getting a small sample, not the 692 you ahve currently) Aug 15 07:30:18 maybe it's not actually deleting the item from the object, but just blanking it or something Aug 15 07:30:42 another test is to try not doing i-- and see if you get the expected results Aug 15 07:30:46 maik: It's deleting them Aug 15 07:31:18 then why is pms[i] after i-- returning an undefined object? Aug 15 07:32:38 No idea Aug 15 07:32:40 good question Aug 15 07:32:50 in fact that is _the_ question Aug 15 07:33:17 try getting i-1 to see what record you get Aug 15 07:33:22 and i+1 Aug 15 07:33:35 dekan: any ideas? Aug 15 07:33:36 shriek it into a Pre and try shrieking the spicy thing until it works Aug 15 07:33:53 yo dawg Aug 15 07:33:53 yo dawg, I herd you like salami, so I put a Mojo in your sword so you can talk while you listen Aug 15 07:34:13 Yo Dawg! Aug 15 07:34:14 yo dawg, I herd you like cake, so I put a factoid in your sword so you can kiss while you smash Aug 15 07:34:15 I love that app Aug 15 07:34:25 heh Aug 15 07:34:29 It's mine Aug 15 07:34:35 oh nice Aug 15 07:34:47 You ever heard of it? Aug 15 07:34:50 i wish dekan had the ability to keep track of chosen words Aug 15 07:34:53 i think i saw it once Aug 15 07:35:23 maik: http://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=net.keenstudios.app.yodawgpro Aug 15 07:35:50 maik: I may have just had a success Aug 15 07:35:53 Trying to duplicate Aug 15 07:36:23 sweet Aug 15 07:36:46 I just found a Perfect Bounce concept document, hehe Aug 15 07:37:13 heh Aug 15 07:37:23 wow, only 95 downloads? i figured more people would buy that Aug 15 07:37:35 Haha Aug 15 07:37:39 NOOOOOOOO Aug 15 07:37:42 haha, those comments are choice, though Aug 15 07:37:56 maik: It leaves like 1 entry in each one Aug 15 07:38:03 eesh Aug 15 07:38:12 maik: For no reason Aug 15 07:38:32 Mojo.Log.info("Index:",i); Aug 15 07:38:45 * kesne never learned how to view the log Aug 15 07:39:01 emulator? Aug 15 07:39:17 device Aug 15 07:40:09 ah, if you don't want to muck with setting the log level then do Mojo.Log.error() instead, then ssh or novaterm into the device and do: tail /var/log/messages | grep net.keenstudios.app.name Aug 15 07:40:13 or however you named it Aug 15 07:42:37 Eww Aug 15 07:42:42 How can I do it on the EMU? Aug 15 07:42:52 same Aug 15 07:42:53 way Aug 15 07:43:01 sugardave: Did I ask you? Aug 15 07:43:06 doesn't matter Aug 15 07:43:09 the truth is Aug 15 07:43:12 the truth Aug 15 07:43:12 get into a shell (ssh or novaterm) and just type: log net.keenstudios.app.name Aug 15 07:43:34 booooooring Aug 15 07:43:34 you don't have to worry about log level since emu logs everything Aug 15 07:43:40 sugardave: so's your face Aug 15 07:43:54 Novaterm? Aug 15 07:43:55 I am up too late Aug 15 07:44:00 * maik too Aug 15 07:44:02 novaterm Aug 15 07:44:03 I shall be fixing that momentarily Aug 15 07:44:12 in b4 sugardave Aug 15 07:44:18 heh Aug 15 07:44:21 goodnight Aug 15 07:44:21 night night, sugardave Aug 15 07:44:24 night Aug 15 07:45:53 maik: I thought there was an easier way to do it? Aug 15 07:46:07 how is that not easy? Aug 15 07:46:26 open a terminal/command prompt Aug 15 07:46:28 type novaterm Aug 15 07:46:34 hit enter Aug 15 07:47:37 palm-log Aug 15 07:48:05 whatever Aug 15 08:03:14 maik: You still around? Aug 15 08:03:54 ya Aug 15 08:04:08 tripping out on The Mars Volta - De-loused in the Comatorium Aug 15 08:04:21 and scanning docs so i can throw shit away Aug 15 08:04:34 kesne: highlight Aug 15 08:04:44 Darkmagister: welcome Aug 15 08:04:53 hi Aug 15 08:05:46 maik: This is kicking my ass Aug 15 08:05:52 heh Aug 15 08:06:12 I think the issue is that it isn't redoing the indexing after I deleting Aug 15 08:06:41 so then not doing i-- should fix it, shouldn't it? Aug 15 08:07:08 maik: OH SHOOT Aug 15 08:07:10 I GOT IT! Aug 15 08:07:11 OMG OMG Aug 15 08:07:18 maik: Can I shoot you an IPK to ensure? Aug 15 08:07:19 haha, nice. what was it? Aug 15 08:07:25 ya, let me go get my cable Aug 15 08:07:37 maik at halfzero dot net Aug 15 08:07:58 maik: The code: http://paste2.org/p/950952 Aug 15 08:09:20 maik: So I GUESS your approach was good Aug 15 08:09:27 maik: Tell me when you have it installed Aug 15 08:10:05 * maik pokes email Aug 15 08:10:34 maik: I'll walk you through what do do Aug 15 08:10:47 k. still waiting Aug 15 08:11:18 maik: It says it sent Aug 15 08:12:01 my connection here is pretty crappy Aug 15 08:12:10 I can upload it to my server if you prefer Aug 15 08:12:25 whatever works Aug 15 10:50:06 hi Aug 15 12:13:28 hey MetaView Aug 15 12:13:46 hi haeffb Aug 15 12:15:19 Tried to upload my first PDK app today Aug 15 12:15:49 wonder what the "not serious issues" are about Aug 15 12:16:08 * oil should probably stop coding and get some sleep Aug 15 12:17:40 at 2 PM? Aug 15 12:19:29 er, 5am :) Aug 15 12:19:30 what app MetaView? Aug 15 12:20:15 http://i33.tinypic.com/2l9h2yd.png :) Aug 15 12:20:19 a PDK app Aug 15 12:20:22 Mandel Aug 15 12:20:29 a Mandelbrot explorer Aug 15 12:20:58 oil: nice, nice Aug 15 12:21:31 i just realized it says app applications Aug 15 12:21:37 instead of all Aug 15 12:21:41 haeffb: http://www.nexave.de/forum/39922-app-mandel.html?highlight= Aug 15 12:21:54 oil: no wonder at 5 AM :) Aug 15 12:22:03 i know ;( Aug 15 12:22:26 MetaView...neat. I played with fractals in my MS thesis work. Aug 15 12:22:46 then i typed typo as typi into the commit message, ;( Aug 15 12:23:16 oil, if that's what I think it is, I may come give you a kiss. Aug 15 12:23:28 lol Aug 15 12:24:17 there's no time for sleep. Keep coding. Aug 15 12:24:48 is there a way to test a json? my ajax request can't parse it Aug 15 12:25:17 http://www.jsonlint.com Aug 15 12:25:21 google it, there is testers online Aug 15 14:24:05 what is "handles" in palm-worm? Aug 15 14:26:15 hmm, my hotspot-app says there is no service for it, looks like a service is broken or something? Aug 15 14:27:04 i cant even select a wpa-key Aug 15 15:11:38 hello morning folks Aug 15 15:29:15 haeffb: file handles? that can't be right Aug 15 15:29:19 can it? Aug 15 15:38:26 anybody know if download counts at the dev portal for FREE apps is unique downloads? Aug 15 15:39:01 * oil thinks so Aug 15 15:40:02 cool Aug 15 15:40:17 the one for my free one is over 100k lower in the devportal Aug 15 15:40:22 sugardave: not sure... Aug 15 15:40:26 then the catalog patch s hows Aug 15 15:40:30 what is the devportal? Aug 15 15:40:36 oil: oh yeah, app cat patch Aug 15 15:40:40 https://developer.palm.com/ Aug 15 15:40:40 * sugardave goes to get his phone. Aug 15 15:40:52 i think the catalog shows total downloads Aug 15 15:40:56 where the devportal shows uniques Aug 15 15:40:57 yes Aug 15 15:41:11 in the feeds is the total downloads i nthe dev portal is the unique Aug 15 15:41:14 yeah, this way I might be able to tell Aug 15 15:41:20 MetaView: thanks Aug 15 15:41:20 You're welcome, sugardave! Aug 15 15:41:21 sugardave: you are comparing your downloads from what to "devportal" Aug 15 15:41:38 LoneStar99: the palm dev portal, where our reports are Aug 15 15:41:54 wow, news is slow on these webos sites over the weekend Aug 15 15:42:52 sugardave: oh ok Aug 15 15:43:14 LoneStar99: I have a new beta app out, so just seeing what the response has been like so far with two tweets and two facebook group postings Aug 15 15:43:28 * sugardave is a marketing genius. Aug 15 15:43:29 :P Aug 15 15:44:17 sugardave: ok cool, when was it released? what is the link, i added you to m twitter the other day your handle is "sugar_dave" right? Aug 15 15:44:53 LoneStar99: yeah, sugar_dave and gomlsoftware...it made it into the beta feed last night Aug 15 15:45:25 heh, app catalog and portal showing the same number right now Aug 15 15:46:50 "Hide apps by description, separated by ;" can you make it shorter? Aug 15 15:47:33 Is the hint text for an exclude filter: apps with such words in the descritpion are excluded Aug 15 15:47:57 ok, ipkg won't install any armv7 ipk files, advice? Aug 15 15:48:12 sugardave: ok just added "goml..." Aug 15 15:48:17 can you turn off the autocompletion in the messaging app? Aug 15 15:48:24 jbjohnso_: check with #webos-internals maybe? Aug 15 15:48:43 jbjohnso_: I don't know which channel would be best for that question :D Aug 15 15:48:46 how would you abbrevate "separated" Aug 15 15:49:01 sugardave: found "IhaveSpiritBeta" ?? Aug 15 15:49:02 LoneStar99: cool, I will get around to adding people eventually Aug 15 15:49:03 "sep. by ;" ? Aug 15 15:49:07 LoneStar99: that's it Aug 15 15:49:59 cool, is it PDK? Aug 15 15:50:05 definitely not :D Aug 15 15:50:21 lol Aug 15 15:50:28 ok time for breakfast brb Aug 15 15:50:37 just a huge json file and some regular Mojo Aug 15 15:52:24 Iis not very matured: version 0.0.1 :D Aug 15 15:52:34 and not available in Germany... Aug 15 15:52:47 I was going to be downloader #59 Aug 15 15:53:17 MetaView: yeah, 0.0.1 :D I didn't distribute it outside US because I didn't figure there would be too many US college sports fans abroad....is that assumption invlide, you think? Aug 15 15:53:32 invalide Aug 15 15:53:36 * sugardave looks at his fingers. Aug 15 15:54:08 I'm not a sports fan at all Aug 15 15:54:30 but i guess there might be ppl which were there for a year and now are still fan of it... Aug 15 15:54:52 true...maybe once I get some more features in place I will widen the distribution a bit Aug 15 15:55:55 is it possible to get to a beta app using the app catalog app directly, or do you have to follow a link to get to it? Aug 15 15:56:04 where is the problem with world-wide destribution? Aug 15 15:56:22 you can now set one support for all Aug 15 15:56:47 hmmm....still have to do localization or do yu just get to say 'English' and be done with it? Aug 15 15:57:41 yes Aug 15 15:57:44 just say english Aug 15 15:57:50 ah Aug 15 15:57:51 okay Aug 15 15:57:54 I don't translate most of my apps too Aug 15 15:58:05 next update then will probably go everywhere Aug 15 15:58:10 thx Aug 15 15:58:15 thank you! Aug 15 15:58:22 well :) Aug 15 15:59:24 quite productive sunday: 1 new app, 1 update Aug 15 16:00:16 woo! Aug 15 16:00:38 where is chuqui ? Aug 15 16:01:07 when you make an update it asks you about a new app icon.... I fear I will have to add the description and stuff again... Aug 15 16:01:42 ok, the description is still there Aug 15 16:02:02 and there is a field for "new in this version" wow Aug 15 16:02:31 nice Aug 15 16:05:17 MetaView: I wonder if there are new fields in the XML feeds Aug 15 16:05:18 haeffb: you going to hybridize Agenda when the time is right? Aug 15 16:05:59 hybrids don't have any more access to calendar than mojo does, do they? Aug 15 16:06:23 oh, right...he uses BadThings Aug 15 16:06:25 damn Aug 15 16:06:37 looking for opportunities to do cross-app stuff Aug 15 16:06:53 "meet so-and-so for tailgate party" Aug 15 16:11:14 rwhitby: good question, at least my old parser doesn't fail Aug 15 16:12:24 rwhitby: added 2 new ftrs to UberAppCat, will Preware follow ?:) Aug 15 16:13:00 btw. can you filter by country in preware? wouldn't be bad for none-US users, or? Aug 15 16:13:36 MetaView: patches welcome :) Aug 15 16:13:58 I'm not going to Preware... Aug 15 16:14:28 MetaView: of which features do you speak? Aug 15 16:14:43 exclude apps with certain words in the descrption Aug 15 16:14:47 another question, my sprint pre insists I have 1 voicemail, actual voicemail 'no messages', how do I convince my pre of this? Aug 15 16:14:50 list all apps of one developer Aug 15 16:18:00 * rwhitby bbt - night all Aug 15 16:18:06 night Aug 15 16:18:24 jbjohnso_: do you have a saved voicemail? Aug 15 16:18:41 sugardave, nope Aug 15 16:19:06 weird Aug 15 16:19:11 night Aug 15 16:19:12 not sure how you'd fix it Aug 15 16:19:30 maybe give myself a real voicemail and delete it Aug 15 16:21:57 that did it Aug 15 16:22:02 success Aug 15 16:22:32 http://twitter.com/phil_nash/status/21159419598 Aug 15 16:22:33 * oil lold Aug 15 16:22:57 heh Aug 15 16:58:05 oy Aug 15 17:13:06 vey Aug 15 17:21:28 haeffb: what do you think of the idea of creating a youtube video of the flasher in burnt orange and white scrolling 'AGGIES SUCK!' across it? Aug 15 17:36:56 close. very close.... Aug 15 18:00:40 Best support email I've ever gotten: "Gfgfggxjrhgbfhfhfhcufhfh dhgjhjrfbtjnfb ffehfvrvr chhfhhrjfhfd -- Sent from my Palm Pixi" Aug 15 18:02:06 Tibfib: that email rocks! Aug 15 18:02:47 sugardave: thanks for your follows Aug 15 18:03:11 at public library writting a tutorial for BSD magazine Aug 15 18:05:19 hrhr Aug 15 18:34:15 howdy fellow webos devs Aug 15 18:36:15 hello Aug 15 18:38:49 lively today Aug 15 18:38:52 Hey there Aug 15 18:39:06 Anyone here use Admob? Aug 15 18:39:51 is web present in any devices launched in Asia? Aug 15 18:39:55 webos* Aug 15 18:40:11 palm products are only devices with webos atm Aug 15 18:40:18 namely pre and pixi Aug 15 18:40:20 nothing else Aug 15 18:40:35 PalmPad soon I hope :D Aug 15 18:40:38 heh Aug 15 18:42:54 how many users / installed base do these 2 devices have, worldwide, atm? Aug 15 18:43:03 idk just over 1m I think Aug 15 18:43:04 not sure Aug 15 18:43:08 ~2million ? Aug 15 18:43:47 morning sugardave, how did the app fair overnight? Aug 15 18:43:50 mine didnt do so well Aug 15 18:43:55 s'alright Aug 15 18:44:19 not too much traffic Aug 15 18:46:12 which apps are you talking abt? Aug 15 18:46:23 secret ones Aug 15 18:47:38 :-/ Aug 15 18:47:46 :) Aug 15 18:47:47 sekrit Aug 15 18:47:52 If I know the event.index of the row tapped in a list, is there a way to get the values in that specific row? Aug 15 18:48:02 yea its in the event.item object Aug 15 18:48:10 dont even need the index Aug 15 18:48:13 oh Aug 15 18:48:16 thanks :D Aug 15 18:50:31 wife went to visit her mom so in a little while my daughter and I are going to have a movie marathon Aug 15 18:50:41 nice Aug 15 18:50:51 barbie princess? Aug 15 18:50:58 aww hell naww Aug 15 18:51:10 she wants to re-watch LOTR Aug 15 18:51:21 hah, she's a keeper Aug 15 18:51:26 :D Aug 15 18:52:33 lol, I just found this: http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/1892/catapult17on.gif Aug 15 18:52:53 heh Aug 15 18:53:32 Hey all, any uses of Ares? Aug 15 18:53:37 not me Aug 15 18:53:38 said the bee Aug 15 18:53:42 haha Aug 15 18:53:48 mlj: whats up Aug 15 18:53:54 scoobysnack Aug 15 18:53:54 Scoobydoobeedoo! Aug 15 18:53:59 * sugardave gives dekan the Evil Eye Aug 15 18:53:59 Okay, sugardave. Aug 15 18:54:53 mlj: I use ares, whatxs your question/ Aug 15 18:55:07 Anivrom|devMode: In college I took a few courses on visual basics... Now I'm interested in looking at some open source apps/code in ares to see if I'm interested in learning a bit about programing for webos. I've created a developer account and manged to get into ares. I just need to know how to find open source apps and load them to Ares for inspection. Aug 15 18:55:25 lol Aug 15 18:55:26 I use Ares Aug 15 18:55:42 I did a few years of vb too Aug 15 18:55:43 github has some webos projects Aug 15 18:55:53 Hmm, I remember looking at a list on palm's site of opensource projects Aug 15 18:55:54 and see what has become of Anivrom|devMode after that. Aug 15 18:56:23 I understand I'm a long way away from anything great... but I think crawling around some simple open srouce apps will let me decide how bad I want to learn. Aug 15 18:56:24 http://opensource.palm.com/ Aug 15 18:56:39 All you have to do is upload the whole app folder to ares, but you don tneed to do that to look at the source Aug 15 18:56:39 that's stuff in the OS Aug 15 18:56:42 not operating systems Aug 15 18:56:47 errr.... not apps Aug 15 18:56:51 Really? Aug 15 18:56:58 yeah Aug 15 18:56:59 Oh Aug 15 18:57:01 wrong website Aug 15 18:57:12 hmm I remember seeing something similar to that but with about 20 apps Aug 15 18:57:16 When I was first learning Aug 15 18:57:34 MLJ: check out the SDK, has lots of sample apps Aug 15 18:57:55 Maybe I just thought those were apps when I was first starting :D Aug 15 18:58:03 No wonder I didn't find any useful stuff in them lol Aug 15 18:58:13 hahaha Aug 15 18:58:21 bbl Aug 15 18:58:38 Anivrom|devMode:, Tibfib : I looked through the SDK stuff its a little over the head for a true beginner. It just seemed Ares was such a more simple took for poking and looking around. Aug 15 18:58:50 look* Aug 15 18:58:55 MLJ: Here's some code snippets too, http://webos101.com/Code_Snippets Aug 15 18:59:26 There isn't that much documentation on Ares programming unfortunately Aug 15 19:00:08 twbbas: Thanks. And yes that seems to be the case. Aug 15 19:00:49 Have you done the Palm Ares tutorial yet? Aug 15 19:00:55 docs are horribly lacking. dev forums ares section si about the best place atm Aug 15 19:00:56 The Flickr app Aug 15 19:01:17 http://ares.palm.com/Ares/docstemp/tutorial.html Aug 15 19:01:27 Well I continue down the SDK route and check out the code snipppets. But I can load anyopen source applications folder to ares and view it through there? Aug 15 19:01:29 It has you make a full Flickr search app Aug 15 19:01:41 twbbas: ahh... No I haven't.. that seems like a good starting point. Aug 15 19:01:56 is this the point where I jump in and say, better to learn Mojo from the ground up? Aug 15 19:02:01 Heh Aug 15 19:02:03 lol sugardave. Aug 15 19:02:07 possibly Aug 15 19:02:10 I tried that sugardave, then someone in this chat talked me out of it :D Aug 15 19:02:15 who? Aug 15 19:02:16 Can't remember who Aug 15 19:02:25 Someone said something how "Ares is the future!" Aug 15 19:02:29 lol Aug 15 19:02:30 ha. Aug 15 19:02:35 If you've got the extra couple weeks learn straight mojo Aug 15 19:02:41 but if you wanna start quick ares is good Aug 15 19:02:44 I actually made a list in Eclipse though Aug 15 19:03:03 twbbas: oooo, dynamic? Aug 15 19:03:09 Nah lol Aug 15 19:03:13 heh Aug 15 19:03:14 hah Aug 15 19:03:23 'sokay, any list is a good list if it works Aug 15 19:03:27 It was just to get the feel of developing with straight code Aug 15 19:03:46 Understood. Well I'll poke around for a bit more today. Then decide how interested I am with learning 'from the ground up.' Aug 15 19:04:21 I definetly would be better at developing if I never even used Ares Aug 15 19:04:33 meh Aug 15 19:06:02 twbbas: Ares isn't a bad thing, it's good to toy with some basic UI elements... and then make it right Aug 15 19:06:35 Yea, as long as Ares is getting me by then I'll stick with it Aug 15 19:07:01 twbbas: why not learn normal development as a side track? Aug 15 19:07:01 It's more than a toy. it's quite capable of making full blown apps. you just gotta know which buttons to push when ares wants it a certain way Aug 15 19:07:30 madnificent: That's what I do when I get bored of messing with Ares. Aug 15 19:07:31 Anivrom|devMode: sure, it's a bit harder to create the UI programatically though Aug 15 19:07:48 Yea for sure, but there is so much more documentation for standard mojo than Ares Aug 15 19:07:58 That's a big advantage to not use Ares right there Aug 15 19:08:08 I know, which is why I use ares. I'm saying mojoside you can do almost anything you can in straight mojo, just some things ares wants done a certain way. to repeat myself Aug 15 19:08:10 :P Aug 15 19:08:26 the docs for straight mojo for the most part apply to ares Aug 15 19:08:33 Yea but you have to tweak some things Aug 15 19:08:45 small price to pay for rapid development Aug 15 19:08:46 The hard part is finding what you need to tweak :D Aug 15 19:08:50 Yup Aug 15 19:09:32 twbbas: go by any other name cause I havent seen you here before Aug 15 19:09:46 Yet I'm the guy who says "Ares is the future" almost exclusively Aug 15 19:09:53 who thought of the name 'mojo' for this thing btw? Aug 15 19:10:18 Nope, I just rarely talk in here Aug 15 19:10:34 You might have been the one to convince me to use Ares Aug 15 19:10:43 how unfortunate Aug 15 19:10:50 If you hadn't I proably wouldn't have an app out already though! Aug 15 19:10:58 wicked Aug 15 19:11:13 I've been working on a game for over 3 weeks and still for a couple left Aug 15 19:11:26 mmm, can't wait to see it Aug 15 19:11:38 taking forever Aug 15 19:11:39 anyways Aug 15 19:11:42 I have some good game ideas but I'll start work on them after I push out my simple apps Aug 15 19:11:50 * Anivrom|devMode goes back to coding Aug 15 19:11:55 same Aug 15 19:12:53 how do you delete an element in Ares? Aug 15 19:13:06 element of what? Aug 15 19:13:19 madnificent Aug 15 19:13:55 a widget Aug 15 19:14:00 ... Aug 15 19:14:06 widgets have elements? Aug 15 19:14:09 I dragged a widget onto a scene Aug 15 19:14:15 oh press delete Aug 15 19:14:16 lool Aug 15 19:14:17 and I want to remove the widget new Aug 15 19:14:18 lol* Aug 15 19:14:19 heh Aug 15 19:14:28 ah, probably need to tell uzbl to forward key presses Aug 15 19:14:37 lol, right Aug 15 19:16:20 are there standard buttons available for new, delete and apply? Aug 15 19:16:29 of what? Aug 15 19:16:37 images, like a plus icon Aug 15 19:16:40 no Aug 15 19:16:52 well yet Aug 15 19:16:53 yes Aug 15 19:17:40 Anivrom|devMode: make up your mind :P Aug 15 19:18:00 double click the buttonClass property of settings tab and you'll get a list Aug 15 19:18:02 negative is red Aug 15 19:18:11 affirmative is green Aug 15 19:18:14 Anivrom|devMode: no, I meant icons Aug 15 19:18:14 etc Aug 15 19:19:39 btw, Aug 15 19:19:51 if I sign up for a Developer account, it asks for First Name / Last Name. Aug 15 19:19:56 is this the "distribution name"? Aug 15 19:20:14 I'd ideally want to use the Company Name (which is, of course, different from my First Name / Last Name) when the apps are published. Aug 15 19:20:27 No, you choose your company name when you submit the app I believe Aug 15 19:20:55 you choose the company when you create the app Aug 15 19:20:59 in the appinfo.json Aug 15 19:21:02 Oh yeah, that too Aug 15 19:21:07 Is there a verification process for that? (e.g. Apple took almost 2 weeks to verify our company's credentials and we faxed them the company incorporation documents, etc) Aug 15 19:21:13 Nope Aug 15 19:21:20 just need a tax number Aug 15 19:21:29 if you have that they assume the company is legit lol Aug 15 19:21:29 okay. Thanks. Aug 15 19:22:07 okay. Was just remembering how for Apple, we had to fax our documents, etc. Aug 15 19:22:14 (which actually sounds safer, btw) Aug 15 19:22:31 in terms of someone else impersonating or playing a prank Aug 15 19:24:06 War2: tbh, with the quality of a fax, it isn't hard to make a fake pass or whatever Aug 15 19:32:09 hey all Aug 15 19:32:29 howdy kesne Aug 15 19:33:05 Hey LoneStar99 Aug 15 19:33:26 kesne: hi Aug 15 19:33:51 Anivrom|devMode: How's the app going? Aug 15 19:34:00 rollin along... Aug 15 19:34:05 kesne! Aug 15 19:34:14 pimp it out anymore? Aug 15 19:34:24 Get the ice statue yet? Aug 15 19:34:27 haeffb_pre: What's up? Aug 15 19:34:37 ice sculpture* Aug 15 19:34:37 Anivrom|devMode: Havent played much Aug 15 19:34:45 heh assumed not Aug 15 19:34:50 sittin in a boat, soaking up rays Aug 15 19:34:52 its not much to "play" atm Aug 15 19:35:32 It's also a bitch Aug 15 19:35:42 haeffb_pre: Ah, that sounds like fun Aug 15 19:36:56 kense, you can no longer drag a decor item off the screen thus losing it Aug 15 19:37:07 maik: Thanks for you help last night, by-the-way Aug 15 19:37:27 Anivroom|devMode: It's kesne Aug 15 19:37:33 nope Aug 15 19:37:37 you're new name Aug 15 19:37:47 hey guys Aug 15 19:37:48 im new Aug 15 19:37:50 Kense is registered Aug 15 19:38:03 I think Aug 15 19:38:10 can anyone help me. I need to build a webos thing Aug 15 19:38:16 can someone write the code Aug 15 19:38:17 plz Aug 15 19:38:19 HAH Aug 15 19:38:20 thans Aug 15 19:38:25 hahahhaah Aug 15 19:38:32 Told you ;) Aug 15 19:39:32 Okay, grabbed that username Aug 15 19:44:15 Kesnomnomnom: Hey, I have two ice sculptures Aug 15 19:44:26 looks good eh Aug 15 19:44:39 It's pretty hawt Aug 15 19:44:40 Technically they look like glass more than ice Aug 15 19:44:46 Too big for the shop Aug 15 19:44:46 Wait till you get the winter scene Aug 15 19:44:50 Use thumbnails Aug 15 19:44:54 Winter scene? Aug 15 19:45:04 Have you gotten new bg's? Aug 15 19:45:14 The bubbles one Aug 15 19:45:19 there's a winter one Aug 15 19:45:19 I have like three of that one Aug 15 19:45:21 oh Aug 15 19:45:24 Cool Aug 15 19:45:26 its sexy Aug 15 19:45:30 I bet Aug 15 19:45:32 especially nighttime Aug 15 19:45:34 version Aug 15 19:45:40 when you flick the lightswitch Aug 15 19:45:48 Night version should darken everything Aug 15 19:45:49 Not just the background Aug 15 19:45:53 I know Aug 15 19:45:56 but thats complicated Aug 15 19:46:01 almost impossible Aug 15 19:46:10 would need to include duplicate images Aug 15 19:46:14 not worth it Aug 15 19:46:42 Kesnomnomnom: perhaps you can request the pre's video driver to go in invert mode :) Aug 15 19:47:05 the whole scene can't be inverted.. Aug 15 19:47:08
Aug 15 19:47:09 also: the keyboard should light up when the pre's display is on LOW power, not on high power Aug 15 19:47:37 Kesnomnomnom: perhaps if you alter the video driver... many video drivers support color invertion Aug 15 19:47:55 madnificent: I dont think you understant what we're talking about :P Aug 15 19:47:58 don't worry about it Aug 15 19:48:00 madnificent: This is for an app catalog app, hehe Aug 15 19:48:09 Kesnomnomnom: Why won't the overlay div work? Aug 15 19:48:23 hello everyone Aug 15 19:48:25 Guess it would but would make it look like crap Aug 15 19:48:28 Kal! Aug 15 19:48:37 I've thought about it before Aug 15 19:48:39 Kesnomnomnom: You'd be suprised Aug 15 19:48:46 hi kesne Aug 15 19:48:46 I use stuff like that all the time Aug 15 19:48:53 we'll see Aug 15 19:48:56 Kesnomnomnom: Give it a shot! Aug 15 19:48:58 it doesn't look too bad without it Aug 15 19:49:07 True Aug 15 19:49:11 Also doesn't look to good Aug 15 19:49:13 plus the bg's would be too dark Aug 15 19:49:16 Sure it does Aug 15 19:49:23 Right ;) Aug 15 19:49:27 :) Aug 15 19:49:52 Kal: Hello wifey! Aug 15 19:50:00 LOL Aug 15 19:50:04 hi hunny Aug 15 19:50:22 ... wow ani hot wife Aug 15 19:50:33 you 2 are sooo cute Aug 15 19:50:35 I KNO RITE? Aug 15 19:50:46 :$ kesnee, Im blushing Aug 15 19:50:49 Can I "borrow" her for the night? Aug 15 19:50:58 haeffb_pre: Me and Kal, or me and Ani? Aug 15 19:51:05 I'm only 16 and really horny. Aug 15 19:51:13 LOL Aug 15 19:51:17 kesnee: SURE THING BUD! NOT LIKE I'M GOING TO USE HER!! Aug 15 19:51:18 even though my penis is small I think I could work it Aug 15 19:51:28 kesnee and Anivroom Aug 15 19:51:36 haeffb_pre: Oh :P Aug 15 19:51:47 so kal Aug 15 19:52:12 you wanna come over and hang with a 16 year old with millimeter peter? Aug 15 19:52:28 SO IM MAKIN DIS APP! IT'S LIEK REALLY KEWL, BUT YOU ALL CAN'T KNOW ABOOT IT! Aug 15 19:52:29 I aint no fred flintstone but I can sure make your bedrock Aug 15 19:52:35 LOL Aug 15 19:52:38 kesnee: LOLOL YOU HAZ SMALL PENIS Aug 15 19:52:56 I wish mine was as big as yours anivrom Aug 15 19:52:58 Now kesne, on the other hand, there's a man with a large penis. Aug 15 19:53:07 now, that sounds gay Aug 15 19:53:10 rofl Aug 15 19:53:10 I wish mine was as big as kesne's Aug 15 19:53:18 Bet anivroms is bigger Aug 15 19:53:21 LOL Aug 15 19:53:23 Trust me Aug 15 19:53:28 I know, from experience Aug 15 19:53:32 ok this is quickly becoming a homosexual topic Aug 15 19:53:34 and has to stop Aug 15 19:53:40 kesnee: icon idea Aug 15 19:53:51 kesnee: You have a problem with homosexuals? Aug 15 19:53:55 has it stopped? Aug 15 19:54:00 LOL Aug 15 19:54:01 LOLOL -> madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has left #webos [""yuck""] Aug 15 19:54:02 so my penis Aug 15 19:54:03 its big Aug 15 19:54:21 I thought it was Anivrom? Aug 15 19:54:24 not anivrom Aug 15 19:54:29 only on good days Aug 15 19:54:38 add a "Noted!" stamp in red ink Aug 15 19:54:49 lol Aug 15 19:54:54 so you dont like my icon? Aug 15 19:55:44 no I do...but it looks eve better with my 'Beta!' stamp on it... Aug 15 19:55:54 :P ok Aug 15 19:56:00 so it got me thinking... Aug 15 19:56:04 Beta stamps/tags == ugly Aug 15 19:56:55 logical operator? really? Aug 15 19:57:24 I propose a contest to see which of you can provide me with the best icon. Aug 15 19:57:30 ready set go Aug 15 19:57:35 * anivrom forfeits Aug 15 19:58:39 bah. where's the competitive spirit? Aug 15 19:58:49 all in my own app Aug 15 19:59:02 none left for others :P Aug 15 19:59:28 :) it was worth a try Aug 15 20:00:03 haeffb_pre: If I had time, I'd do something for you. Aug 15 20:00:13 If I put time into stuff, I can make good stuff Aug 15 20:00:18 But that requires time Aug 15 20:00:56 I'm willing to put the time into my stuff, not so much others Aug 15 20:06:19 a function automatically returns false if nothing is returned correct? Aug 15 20:11:34 apprently not Aug 15 20:18:56 oh, miss piggy -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aGTNS13SDU (language nsfw) Aug 15 20:28:22 Tron legacy looks like sex Aug 15 20:36:00 I agree Aug 15 20:36:03 but I've never seen tron Aug 15 20:36:34 watch original and you'll explode when you see the trailer for legacy Aug 15 20:37:04 why? Aug 15 20:37:30 cause the graphics in the old one are pretty bad, although state of the art for its time Aug 15 20:37:38 I know that Aug 15 20:38:07 Ive seen the light cycle seen Aug 15 20:47:04 scene Aug 15 20:47:05 Doh Aug 15 20:47:27 "hahahahahhaha lololol rofl" Aug 15 20:47:39 "fail LOL" Aug 15 20:52:45 anivrom: So Aug 15 20:52:51 anivrom: Want to test this game? Aug 15 20:52:58 sure. Aug 15 20:53:08 What game is it? Aug 15 20:53:28 TOP SEKRIT Aug 15 20:53:35 Man, I love that game! Aug 15 20:53:49 ME TOO! Aug 15 20:53:54 But really, it's a checkers game Aug 15 20:54:02 playing with the online system Aug 15 20:54:12 Now has a cupcake PM inbox Aug 15 20:54:38 Next I have to do the Profile system Aug 15 20:55:03 Nice, I'm working on a similar profile system for my apps Aug 15 20:55:08 twbbas: What app? Aug 15 20:55:27 Well, multiple ones Aug 15 20:55:43 Do any of them have names? ;) Aug 15 20:56:03 :P Aug 15 20:56:19 :p well, Aug 15 20:56:42 I gotta look at my list for one that I'd rather share Aug 15 20:56:52 heh Aug 15 20:57:03 Well if you are doing online profile stuff, use KSO! Aug 15 20:57:04 I have a few that I don't want to give away because they haven't been made yet Aug 15 20:57:10 What's KSO!? Aug 15 20:57:11 Aug 15 20:57:20 It's a service Aug 15 20:57:25 Online system Aug 15 20:58:20 Well, I've been working on my own system Aug 15 20:58:27 I'll look into KSO! though Aug 15 20:58:35 Does it cost money? Aug 15 20:58:49 First of all, it's just KSO. Aug 15 20:58:50 :P Aug 15 20:58:58 It's a free service I developed and use in checkers Aug 15 20:59:29 Heh, is there a website for it at all? Aug 15 20:59:46 Well Aug 15 20:59:48 Yes and no Aug 15 20:59:52 Not one explaining it Aug 15 21:00:13 It's more of an internal thing, not really something we're like "LOOK AT WHAT WE MADE AND USE IN OUR GAME" thing. Aug 15 21:00:19 Lol k Aug 15 21:00:26 Though it's going to be, eventually Aug 15 21:00:41 I am most of the way done with mine so I think I'll just stick with mine Aug 15 21:00:52 :'( Aug 15 21:01:11 B-b-but mine has 10,000 users! Aug 15 21:01:14 kesne, is there an api for kso? Aug 15 21:01:17 lol Aug 15 21:01:20 anivrom: Ish Aug 15 21:02:07 Oh here's one that I feel comfortable telling you. It's like Simon Says and online multiplayer :D Aug 15 21:02:15 lol Aug 15 21:02:16 I haven't started it yet though Aug 15 21:02:23 * anivrom writes app Aug 15 21:02:26 It's on my todo list Aug 15 21:02:27 lol Aug 15 21:02:28 * anivrom finishes and submits Aug 15 21:02:38 * anivrom just made 100 dollars off of multiplayer simon says Aug 15 21:02:47 Just write the app then send me the ipk so I can submit it and it's all good Aug 15 21:02:48 200 Aug 15 21:02:52 300 Aug 15 21:02:55 dude awesome Aug 15 21:02:56 500 Aug 15 21:02:57 heh Aug 15 21:03:25 anivrom, have to made any apps? Just curious in checking them out Aug 15 21:03:33 you made any* Aug 15 21:03:55 twbbas: He has none in the cat Aug 15 21:04:00 ah, ok Aug 15 21:04:39 I'm looking for someone that uses Admob or another type of ad network Aug 15 21:04:47 I use admob Aug 15 21:05:18 I have a few questions because I just signed up yesterday Aug 15 21:05:24 What's a normal fillrate? Aug 15 21:05:32 Oh Aug 15 21:05:43 I thought you meant like implemeneted it in an app Aug 15 21:05:45 It isn't live yet Aug 15 21:05:55 oh ok Aug 15 21:06:26 I was testing it and I took it out of the testing mode. I loaded it 7 times and it only loaded an ad 1 time Aug 15 21:06:39 I was wondering if that's because it came from the same ip right in a row Aug 15 21:07:06 No idea Aug 15 21:07:22 well, back to coding Aug 15 21:07:28 Hoping to publish this app tonight Aug 15 21:13:10 Kal: You're still here? Aug 15 21:13:18 she doesn't get pings Aug 15 21:50:05 kesne: you're welcome Aug 15 21:50:35 haeffb_pre: For? Aug 15 21:50:43 creating cupcakes? Aug 15 21:50:55 Anivrom: Did I ask you? Aug 15 21:51:03 Did I respond to you? Aug 15 21:51:43 can I not say random things to my self that may or may not have any relevance to recent things someone else has said? Aug 15 22:07:37 morning rwhitby Aug 15 22:09:29 Ok, this is a silly question -- I've created a list using Ares on a Scene. It's inside a scroller. The default items load just fine. When I try to add items in javascript after the scene is displayed, nothing happens (no error in log, no activity on screen) Aug 15 22:09:45 how are you adding them Aug 15 22:09:57 paste code Aug 15 22:10:20 maxsilver: www.pastebin.com Aug 15 22:13:26 oook you gone? Aug 15 22:14:00 no, sorry Aug 15 22:14:15 pastebins not loading here, so i'm throwing it in etherpad Aug 15 22:14:35 this.controller.get("yourList").mojo.noticeUpdatedItems(index,arrayToAdd); Aug 15 22:14:55 oh, so its not noticeAddedItems? Aug 15 22:15:00 ok, i'll try that a second Aug 15 22:15:21 noticeAddedItems works for the add button of a list I believe Aug 15 22:15:27 Thatswhy I asked how you add them Aug 15 22:18:00 Anivrom - Thanks! That was my issue, I was calling noticeAddedItems when I should have been calling noticeUpdatedItems. Aug 15 22:18:09 good stuff Aug 15 22:39:46 arg..."Add the University of Utah Utes for 5 stars" they're already in there, jesus Aug 15 22:40:03 hah Aug 15 22:40:37 he's trying to say my conferences don't match the list of changes...but I'm pretty sure they do Aug 15 22:40:48 and of course, no way to contact Aug 15 22:45:19 utah is going to pac10 Aug 15 22:47:24 in 2011 Aug 15 22:47:40 this.controller.get("msgDiv").style.top = game.enviroment.waterTapCoord.Y2 - 40; wonder why that isnt moving the div Aug 15 22:47:40 this is 2010 Aug 15 22:47:43 am I missing something Aug 15 22:48:07 Anivrom: I know why Aug 15 22:48:17 did I ask you? Aug 15 22:48:23 toucheeeeee Aug 15 22:48:25 Fine Aug 15 22:48:28 I won't tell you Aug 15 22:48:37 kesne: you're welcome Aug 15 22:48:38 haeffb_pre: For? Aug 15 22:48:38 creating cupcakes? Aug 15 22:48:38 Anivrom: Did I ask you? Aug 15 22:48:48 Do you want to know? Aug 15 22:48:50 "I wrote this app. I have no way to contact reviewers if you don't send email or use the forums at gomlsoftware.com. The Utah Utes are in the Mountain West Conference for 2010. The MWC site also reflects this. Therefore, I shall give myself 5 stars." Aug 15 22:48:55 that's my review :P Aug 15 22:49:09 no cause you dont really know. Aug 15 22:49:19 you're gonna give some bs answer Aug 15 22:49:24 truth Aug 15 22:49:40 Anivrom: You're trying to assign the top CSS value a number, which doesn't work. You need to specify a thingy (like px). Aug 15 22:49:46 ahhhh Aug 15 22:49:47 Adding + "px" to the end will work Aug 15 22:49:49 touche Aug 15 22:49:56 thanks Aug 15 22:49:57 You're welcome, Anivrom! Aug 15 22:50:00 :P Aug 15 22:50:06 botsmack! Aug 15 22:50:07 * dekan cowers Aug 15 22:50:13 I'm awesome! Aug 15 22:50:14 No you're not dude, don't lie! Aug 15 22:50:20 lol Aug 15 22:50:51 Why does Kate Nash keep coming up Aug 15 22:50:53 dekan: not awesome is kesne is NOT awesome. Aug 15 22:50:53 Okay, sugardave. Aug 15 22:50:54 I hate her accent Aug 15 22:50:55 how do you trigger the random sentence in dekan? Aug 15 22:51:06 dekan: make me a sandwich Aug 15 22:51:07 * dekan listens a sandwich with lots of Verizon and bacon. Aug 15 22:51:09 any ideas? Aug 15 22:51:10 run it into a C40 and try running the windy thing until it works Aug 15 22:51:14 dekan: not awesome Aug 15 22:51:15 kesne is NOT awesome. Aug 15 22:51:22 any ideas? Aug 15 22:51:22 smash it into a galaxy and try shrieking the huge thing until it works Aug 15 22:51:27 haha Aug 15 22:51:29 I like that one Aug 15 22:51:29 owh, I scared kesne :( Aug 15 22:51:45 any Ideas? Aug 15 22:51:46 kiss it into a wrench and try smashing the wonky thing until it works Aug 15 22:51:46 What? Aug 15 22:51:58 dekan: make me a sandwich Aug 15 22:51:59 * dekan talks a sandwich with lots of wrench and Verizon. Aug 15 22:52:22 dekan: literal make me a sandwich Aug 15 22:52:23 make me a sandwich $verbs a sandwich with lots of $noun and $noun. Aug 15 22:52:51 dekan: make me a sandwich makes a sandwich with lots of $noun and $noun. Aug 15 22:52:52 Okay, Anivrom. Aug 15 22:52:56 make me a sandwich Aug 15 22:52:57 * dekan sleeps a sandwich with lots of potato and tooth. Aug 15 22:53:00 wtf Aug 15 22:53:16 mmmm potato and tooth Aug 15 22:53:23 dekan: you are cute Aug 15 22:53:24 Okay, Kal. Aug 15 22:53:29 you are cute Aug 15 22:53:31 dekan: you Aug 15 22:53:32 Error at 0x08: Reference not found Aug 15 22:53:35 haha Aug 15 22:53:56 dekan: you are cute So are you! Aug 15 22:53:57 Okay, Anivrom. Aug 15 22:54:00 dekan: I love you Aug 15 22:54:01 you are cute Aug 15 22:54:01 Beeeeeeeeeeeeep! Aug 15 22:54:01 So are you! Aug 15 22:54:14 how do you do the username thing? Aug 15 22:54:18 dekan: docs Aug 15 22:54:19 My documentation is at: http://wiki.xkcd.com/irc/Bucket Aug 15 22:55:04 dekan: you are cute So are you $who! Aug 15 22:55:05 Okay, Anivrom. Aug 15 22:55:08 you are cute Aug 15 22:55:09 So are you! Aug 15 22:55:11 ... Aug 15 22:55:58 dekan: ~tibfib Aug 15 22:55:59 I'm sorry, there's currently nothing associated with that keyphrase. Aug 15 22:57:25 dekan: you are my best friend Aug 15 22:57:26 Okay, Kal. Aug 15 22:58:07 dekan: die in a fire Oh yea? Why don't I throw your $color colored $bodypart into a fire! Aug 15 22:58:08 Okay, Anivrom. Aug 15 22:58:13 dekan: die in a fire Aug 15 22:58:14 Oh yea? Why don't I throw your red colored $bodypart into a fire! Aug 15 22:58:21 bah that was supposed to work Aug 15 22:58:41 * Anivrom goes back to programming Aug 15 23:04:38 Anivrom: HAHA Aug 15 23:04:56 dekan: die in a fire Aug 15 23:04:57 Oh yea? Why don't I throw your red colored $bodypart into a fire! Aug 15 23:07:42 Hmm interesting Aug 15 23:08:15 Mojo.Animation is quite robust Aug 15 23:08:37 its actually got callbacks Aug 15 23:09:45 Never used it Aug 15 23:09:48 what is it? Aug 15 23:10:23 animating dom in javascript as apposed to css Aug 15 23:10:28 http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1853 Aug 15 23:10:36 Hmm Aug 15 23:10:39 Why not use CSS? Aug 15 23:10:53 Mojo.Animation is quite robust Aug 15 23:10:56 its actually got callbacks Aug 15 23:11:10 So? Aug 15 23:11:18 callbacks = hide a div on animation finished Aug 15 23:11:22 very useful Aug 15 23:11:24 Just use listeners Aug 15 23:11:28 why? Aug 15 23:11:34 CSS == easier Aug 15 23:11:35 just use callbacks Aug 15 23:11:40 negative Aug 15 23:11:47 CSS == Hardware accelerated in 2.0 Aug 15 23:12:06 === Aug 15 23:12:06 and how do you know animation isnt Aug 15 23:12:20 touche Aug 15 23:12:27 sugardave: STFU Aug 15 23:12:35 this is why your code never works Aug 15 23:12:36 === is the most useless POS I've ever seen Aug 15 23:12:38 respect your elders son Aug 15 23:12:45 My code always works ;) Aug 15 23:12:51 jslint makes me use === all the time Aug 15 23:12:56 *cough*BULLSHIT*cough* Aug 15 23:13:08 sugardave: srsly Aug 15 23:13:17 I've used jslint once in my life Aug 15 23:13:34 hi I'm kesne and I'm going to delete this array index while I'm iterating the array! let's see what happens... Aug 15 23:13:37 BOOOOM! Aug 15 23:13:48 sugardave: I got it to work ;) Aug 15 23:14:03 sugardave: Works perfectly now. Aug 15 23:14:12 i--; in that case Aug 15 23:14:20 you changed to to maik Aug 15 23:14:24 's code probably Aug 15 23:14:27 :P Aug 15 23:14:33 Maik didn't give me the code though Aug 15 23:14:37 He gave me a suggestion Aug 15 23:14:42 I just stopped using each Aug 15 23:14:54 or just use i--; lol Aug 15 23:15:12 trust me Aug 15 23:15:16 i-- works for anything Aug 15 23:15:22 wanna load google maps Aug 15 23:15:24 i-- Aug 15 23:15:31 fly tot he moon Aug 15 23:15:33 i-- Aug 15 23:15:34 I THINK this is the code that works: http://paste2.org/p/950952 Aug 15 23:15:49 Anivrom: REALLY? i-- can fly tot he moon!? Aug 15 23:15:59 you know it Aug 15 23:16:10 Anivrom: I use i-- Aug 15 23:16:31 The code actually bugs out for the last little bit of it Aug 15 23:16:38 but doesn't trip the try/catch Aug 15 23:16:45 And doesn't delete anything wrong Aug 15 23:16:50 so I'm not going to fix it Aug 15 23:16:55 of course cause you're not revising the condition of the loop Aug 15 23:16:55 * kesne writes code that works Aug 15 23:17:13 Nothing more Aug 15 23:17:28 sugardave probably is all worried about using correct syntax and coding practices. Aug 15 23:18:05 haha we got buildings and a city scene now Aug 15 23:18:26 Anivrom: ? Aug 15 23:31:20 no, sugardave writes code that actually works, not just mostly works Aug 15 23:37:11 heh, mostly Aug 15 23:37:49 ok so emptyTemplateFile does exactly what it should right? I supply single list item saying no items in list and when I add an item it will swap out? Aug 15 23:38:12 I think so Aug 15 23:38:21 I never used the empty template Aug 15 23:39:18 haeffb: I think what I'm going to do is use ncaa.org's conference and team IDs Aug 15 23:39:46 good plan. Aug 15 23:55:44 sugardave: still dont know how you broek the list. I can't seem to do it Aug 16 00:00:38 sugardave: Mojo.Model.format returns a formatted object I think.. Aug 16 00:09:03 Anivrom: looks correct Aug 16 00:09:11 fine Aug 16 00:09:28 haeffb: to which? Aug 16 00:09:36 Mojo.Model.format Aug 16 00:09:45 Yea I'm trying to figure it out Aug 16 00:10:20 * Anivrom wonders how he could apply it to his list Aug 16 00:10:50 newObjFormatted = Mojo.Model.format(oldObject, formatters); Aug 16 00:10:52 ? Aug 16 00:11:23 How would I apply that to my list though, I have a div containing an image and I want to scale that div down with the appropriate aspect ratio Aug 16 00:11:41 so for each list item I ened to format the width height of that div Aug 16 00:11:55 what you can do is pass a clone var as 2nd argument and it will have the formatted values plus the originals Aug 16 00:12:09 how would I setup my itemHtml though Aug 16 00:12:10 or this.newModel.format(oldObject, formatters); Aug 16 00:12:12 since Mojo.View.format won't (shouldn't) change the original object Aug 16 00:12:21 not 2nd, sorry. 3rd Aug 16 00:12:31 you just run it Aug 16 00:12:40 var newClone = {}; Aug 16 00:12:54 sugardave: -_- Aug 16 00:12:59 Mojo.Model.format(originalObject, {//formatters}, newClone); Aug 16 00:13:15 and then you use newClone with Mojo.View.render Aug 16 00:13:16 Finally got netflix Aug 16 00:13:17 for example Aug 16 00:13:20 :p Aug 16 00:14:06
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Aug 16 00:14:13 Need to format the width and height of that div Aug 16 00:14:43 .palm-row-format-icons { height: x, width: x} Aug 16 00:14:47 in css Aug 16 00:15:24 so I add style="width: #{iconsWidth}; height: #{iconsHeight}; Aug 16 00:15:37 oh, you need them to change? Aug 16 00:15:41 yea Aug 16 00:15:44 you know the problem Aug 16 00:15:56 The decor items are too big Aug 16 00:16:01 are icon widths/heights stored as numbers or strings? Aug 16 00:16:03 you should be able to do so Aug 16 00:16:04 I need them to dynamically change according to aspect ratio Aug 16 00:16:07 yes you can do that Aug 16 00:16:43 So I'm wondering the best way Aug 16 00:16:56 with formatters Aug 16 00:17:00 Maybe ill just do what I typed above and in model setup do the math Aug 16 00:17:16 Have you checked out my inventory-assistant setup() method sugardave? Aug 16 00:17:20 you do the math in the formatters Aug 16 00:17:29 no, I haven't broken into your code yet Aug 16 00:17:37 You better sit down for it, Aug 16 00:17:41 and dont be drinking anything either Aug 16 00:17:46 I'm always sitting down? Aug 16 00:17:57 ok move on to recommendation 2 Aug 16 00:18:35 So why can't I do it in model setup loop Aug 16 00:18:56 Make it easier since I'm not dynamically changing the list while scene is visible Aug 16 00:19:50 the formatters sole purpose in life is to do that stuff only when the list is rendered, so that's the logical place for it to go, IMO Aug 16 00:20:04 rendered meaning setup? Aug 16 00:20:09 drawn for the first time Aug 16 00:20:16 or when it changes Aug 16 00:20:22 things added Aug 16 00:20:24 removed Aug 16 00:20:25 etc Aug 16 00:20:27 oh see I dont need the math to be done when it changes Aug 16 00:21:48 oh it's Ares making things difficult to explain Aug 16 00:21:49 again Aug 16 00:21:54 * haeffb removed a bunch of Mojo.Format.runTextIndexer from my formatters because it was slowing things down. Aug 16 00:21:55 yes, I do this in setup technically Aug 16 00:22:15 because I just make my list object, and setupWidget in my scene's setup function Aug 16 00:22:17 But what im saying is I dont need the math to run everytime something changes Aug 16 00:22:35 it wont affect the width/height of my icon div Aug 16 00:22:41 so its unnecessary Aug 16 00:22:47 what does affect the width/height? Aug 16 00:22:49 I'm not discrediting the userfulness Aug 16 00:23:02 Nothing does at this point, its just to make sure it fits inside the div Aug 16 00:23:25 each image loaded is different sizes Aug 16 00:23:25 so, store the width/height in your model. Aug 16 00:23:28 and some are very big Aug 16 00:23:34 thats what I'm gonna do Aug 16 00:23:40 calc it during model setup Aug 16 00:23:44 and you don't need formtters Aug 16 00:23:46 right Aug 16 00:23:49 not for this atleast Aug 16 00:26:11 hmmm....I guess webkit-mask (background) only works for background images and not background color Aug 16 00:26:26 or maybe I just don't understand how to use it Aug 16 00:26:45 the latter is my current favorite to win Aug 16 00:26:52 heh Aug 16 00:27:00 who woulda thunk Aug 16 00:30:37 * haeffb lays $20 on "don't understand" Aug 16 00:30:58 and anoter $30 on "docs don't help" Aug 16 00:31:30 I see your 50 and raise you another 50 on "will come back an hour later and state that it was a syntax error" Aug 16 00:49:45 can I write a SQL to give me the first 20 records matching a given criteria? Aug 16 00:50:00 sure its easy Aug 16 00:50:14 you just ask the smartest guy to write a wrapper for you and voila. Aug 16 00:50:15 the records 31-47? Aug 16 00:50:32 s/the/then Aug 16 00:51:30 I need to rewrite my filterfunction to load directly from DB Aug 16 00:51:40 didnt wanna say it but yea Aug 16 00:52:16 SQL > Depot Aug 16 00:52:19 FYI Aug 16 00:52:36 yea? Aug 16 00:56:03 depot is SQL fyi Aug 16 00:56:23 its html5 database wrapper Aug 16 00:59:26 haeffb_pre: order by and limit Aug 16 00:59:40 note: I have no idea if limit works in swlite Aug 16 00:59:41 sqlite Aug 16 01:00:23 I think -webkit-mask is not supported in apps...thought it appears to work on the safari blog in the browser Aug 16 01:01:31 LIMIT x, OFFSET xx Aug 16 01:03:43 ? Aug 16 01:03:49 with px? Aug 16 01:04:01 if you're storing numbers, yeah Aug 16 01:04:10 hmm Aug 16 01:04:12 or strings Aug 16 01:04:16 numbers Aug 16 01:04:35 WOOT Aug 16 01:04:42 fixed that oversized decor glitch Aug 16 01:04:47 woo Aug 16 01:05:35 it checks to see if width or height is bigger then resizes keeping aspect ratio Aug 16 01:07:49 dtzWill: will buddy Aug 16 01:07:51 Love ya Aug 16 01:08:08 Did you get the cookies I sent?? Aug 16 01:08:12 Anivrom: ty :) Aug 16 01:08:19 i did, they were delicious! Aug 16 01:08:22 * dtzWill om nom nom cookies Aug 16 01:08:26 extra magic, as per request Aug 16 01:08:41 @.@ Aug 16 01:08:45 lol Aug 16 01:10:05 it'd be pretty sick to be able to store multiple things in clipboard Aug 16 01:10:14 Then have a keyboard shortcut to load whichever one you wanted Aug 16 01:10:24 I have 3 snippets between scenes I need to copy Aug 16 01:10:37 ares = 1 window ide Aug 16 01:16:30 I've returned! Aug 16 01:16:31 Anivrom: There are tools for that in MS Aug 16 01:16:44 hey alexfner Aug 16 01:17:45 hey hey hey Aug 16 01:17:48 learning pdk Aug 16 01:17:51 ew Aug 16 01:17:58 any ideas? Aug 16 01:17:58 if anyone wants a tut, there is a great one available that I can link you to Aug 16 01:17:59 sleep it into a comic and try walking the hot thing until it works Aug 16 01:18:07 any ideas? Aug 16 01:18:08 kiss it into a Verizon and try kissing the windy thing until it works Aug 16 01:18:20 lame. we need an updated noun list Aug 16 01:18:33 sure link me Aug 16 01:18:42 dekan: docs Aug 16 01:18:43 My documentation is at: http://wiki.xkcd.com/irc/Bucket Aug 16 01:19:16 Anivrom: http://sol.gfxile.net/gp/ Aug 16 01:19:24 dekan: $noun Aug 16 01:19:25 Can't talk, zombies! Aug 16 01:19:28 you're gay Aug 16 01:19:30 courtesy of @joshmarinacci Aug 16 01:19:30 die in a fire Aug 16 01:19:31 Oh yea? Why don't I throw your cerulean colored $bodypart into a fire! Aug 16 01:19:53 maik Aug 16 01:24:47 Anivrom: looking at it? Aug 16 01:24:54 yea Aug 16 01:24:58 briefly Aug 16 01:25:31 it's really great Aug 16 01:26:38 wow there are only 21 free PDK apps in the catalog Aug 16 01:27:56 can I pass text along when I launch the memos app, like in email Aug 16 01:28:28 can I pass text along when I launch the memos app, like in email when I use application manager? Aug 16 01:35:05 check the memo app's handleLaunch command and see if you can pass it some parameters Aug 16 01:39:11 sugardave: update incoming. got a city scene with some buildings and lights etc Aug 16 01:39:29 k Aug 16 02:02:49 fuuuu....my showDialog won't show in host emulator mode Aug 16 02:12:59 freakin classic Aug 16 02:13:00 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-JHfXVlkik Aug 16 02:15:56 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIWMrK67_bk&NR=1 What the heck is the song at 2:20 Aug 16 02:16:11 2:10 Aug 16 02:18:42 anyoneeeeee Aug 16 02:18:44 driving me mad Aug 16 02:18:50 We thought it was inspector gadget theme Aug 16 02:19:02 similiar but not the same Aug 16 02:22:24 dekan: 101 Aug 16 02:22:25 101 is http://www.webos101.com Aug 16 02:22:52 haeffb: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIWMrK67_bk&NR=1 What the heck is the song at 2:10 Aug 16 02:23:16 I would have no clue Aug 16 02:23:54 I hate hate hate how showDialof puts that weird half-white/half-gray bubble looking thing at the bottom of the scrime Aug 16 02:23:57 scrim Aug 16 02:24:03 wth is that for? Aug 16 02:24:36 Or how if you set the bg of a dialog is cuts it off at the top rounded corners Aug 16 02:24:42 Guess thats a webkit border image issue Aug 16 02:25:12 * oil wishes dialogs didnt look like poo on palm-dark Aug 16 02:25:33 * sugardave slashes and burns his way to a dark-looking dialog. Aug 16 02:25:59 * oil awaits sugardaves code Aug 16 02:26:02 haha Aug 16 02:26:09 sugardave: see above link about song name Aug 16 02:26:14 oil as well Aug 16 02:26:21 you are asking the wrong guy about music Aug 16 02:26:38 you're not musically inclined? Aug 16 02:26:42 I played the tuba Aug 16 02:26:48 in kindergarten? Aug 16 02:26:51 what weird half-white/half-gray bubble looking thing? Aug 16 02:26:54 in high school Aug 16 02:26:55 didnt know they had tubas back then Aug 16 02:26:57 oh Aug 16 02:26:59 haeffb: one moment Aug 16 02:28:00 Anivrom: that's Hall of the Mountain King Aug 16 02:28:17 at the very beginning of 2:10 Aug 16 02:28:22 not sure what is right after that Aug 16 02:28:35 got it Aug 16 02:28:36 thanks Aug 16 02:28:37 You're welcome, Anivrom! Aug 16 02:28:44 we thought inspector gadget right away Aug 16 02:28:44 oh that is amazing grace Aug 16 02:28:45 lol Aug 16 02:28:52 I think thats where the inspiration came from Aug 16 02:29:29 if (parseInt(Mojo.Environment.DeviceInfo.maximumCardHeight, 10) === 400) { Aug 16 02:29:35 does that work to test for pixi? Aug 16 02:29:45 or is '400' ? Aug 16 02:29:59 I think there is a direct method to get device Aug 16 02:30:01 I think it's a number Aug 16 02:30:07 if (Mojo.Environment.DeviceInfo.modelNameAscii == "Pixi") { Aug 16 02:30:08 :) Aug 16 02:30:14 BAM Aug 16 02:30:24 innerHeight is best Aug 16 02:30:28 FTMFNW Aug 16 02:30:32 oil comes out of the gulf of hiding to shed some light upon this connundrum Aug 16 02:30:52 well, not really device, but 400px height Aug 16 02:31:03 good evening everyone Aug 16 02:31:15 yes, it is a good evening. Aug 16 02:31:33 True Blood is truely wacked Aug 16 02:31:53 i like to watch mad men Aug 16 02:31:59 might have missed it... Aug 16 02:32:17 DVR'ing it. soon as I get all seasons I plan to watch Aug 16 02:32:39 * kesne-omnomnom is back Aug 16 02:32:42 In black Aug 16 02:32:42 haeffb: http://twitpic.com/2f6vfm look at the bottom of the scrim Aug 16 02:33:06 ah I see Aug 16 02:33:20 sugardave: an empty dialog? Aug 16 02:33:30 my html isn't empty Aug 16 02:33:37 I"m moving the scroller into it Aug 16 02:33:52 oh Aug 16 02:33:54 right Aug 16 02:33:55 impossible Aug 16 02:34:12 this is code from another project where Ihad a completely custom background dialog Aug 16 02:34:15 ooops Aug 16 02:34:18 no attributes Aug 16 02:34:29 what's impossible? Aug 16 02:34:51 riding a skateboard backwards while smoking sugardave on sunday. Aug 16 02:34:51 scrollers inside dialogs... purely impossible. practically and theoretically Aug 16 02:35:01 you are very much wrong Aug 16 02:35:02 dekan: any ideas? Aug 16 02:35:03 smash it into a mindjail and try listenning the sharp thing until it works Aug 16 02:35:04 as you will see later Aug 16 02:35:07 what he said Aug 16 02:35:11 Anivrom: Not thoretically impossible. Aug 16 02:35:24 I am kidding guys FFS WOW GET OFF ME Aug 16 02:35:31 * Anivrom implodes Aug 16 02:35:52 Entourage Aug 16 02:36:04 maybe if you don't set certain properties, they shouldn't draw that ugly shit Aug 16 02:36:07 I remember now Aug 16 02:36:23 this is when I had to learn how to hide x-mojo-somethings in css Aug 16 02:37:28 wait a minute Aug 16 02:37:36 height: 372 Aug 16 02:37:37 this.controller.get("imgPopup").height = 50; why wont this work... do I need to put px after it? Aug 16 02:37:47 haeffb: there are no things to do when using showDialog like you do for alert dialogs Aug 16 02:37:51 it's always "empty" Aug 16 02:37:55 except for your html Aug 16 02:38:08 Anivrom: 50 what? Aug 16 02:38:11 yes... Aug 16 02:38:11 inches? Aug 16 02:38:14 ems? Aug 16 02:38:16 pxs? Aug 16 02:38:19 feet Aug 16 02:38:22 gah but I do maths as well Aug 16 02:38:35 cant maths stringalings Aug 16 02:38:36 my pre just exploded trying to stretch to 50 feet Aug 16 02:38:38 number + string in js = string Aug 16 02:38:49 4 + "" Aug 16 02:38:56 = "4" Aug 16 02:38:58 do math; add 'px'; ta-da Aug 16 02:39:32 impossible Aug 16 02:39:41 oh, and it's also style.height Aug 16 02:39:48 right haha Aug 16 02:40:19 intval Aug 16 02:40:22 so haeffb why would they put that shit in showDialog? Aug 16 02:40:35 I think they might hate you Aug 16 02:40:43 I think so, too Aug 16 02:40:57 sometimes webos is so convoluded Aug 16 02:41:07 dictionary: convoluded Aug 16 02:41:17 convoluted Aug 16 02:41:24 thanks dictionary Aug 16 02:41:27 parseInt(numberThatIsAString)+parseInt(numberThatIsAString) Aug 16 02:41:37 dekan: haeffb is a dictionary Aug 16 02:41:38 Okay, Anivrom. Aug 16 02:41:40 haeffb Aug 16 02:41:41 haeffb is a dictionary Aug 16 02:42:02 stupid host emulator mode...show my dialog, dammit! Aug 16 02:43:15 why you not using the real emu? Aug 16 02:43:30 I am, but I can't use inspector and I need to see things Aug 16 02:43:49 use the ares thingyr Aug 16 02:44:00 that worked out so well last time.... Aug 16 02:44:02 I gotta stop f'in with this app. Aug 16 02:44:18 Starting to add "bling" now Aug 16 02:44:20 works out great for me Aug 16 02:44:26 nothing wrong with blind Aug 16 02:44:28 or bling Aug 16 02:46:06 * Anivrom cracks open a beer Aug 16 02:46:39 *cheers* Aug 16 02:49:56 Anivrom: i will join you in abit Aug 16 02:51:25 noice Aug 16 02:51:49 will be drinking the high life Aug 16 02:52:09 50px50px50px50px50px50px Aug 16 02:52:10 21:40 < Anivrom> dictionary: convoluded Aug 16 02:52:10 21:40 < Anivrom> dictionary: convoluded Aug 16 02:52:10 21:40 < Anivrom> dictionary: convoluded Aug 16 02:52:10 21:40 < Anivrom> dictionary: convoluded Aug 16 02:52:13 21:41 < Anivrom> dekan: haeffb is a dictionary Aug 16 02:52:15 21:41 < Anivrom> dekan: haeffb is a dictionary Aug 16 02:52:18 21:41 < Anivrom> dekan: haeffb is a dictionary Aug 16 02:52:20 21:41 < Anivrom> dekan: haeffb is a dictionary Aug 16 02:52:23 whoa Aug 16 02:52:28 don't put static bags on your touchpad Aug 16 02:52:30 ........... Aug 16 02:52:33 haha Aug 16 02:53:31 I have renewed hope. Yesterday I felt so overwhelmed with my app. Aug 16 02:53:34 Now things are working out Aug 16 02:53:56 although those flickering problems are killing me Aug 16 02:54:38 flickering... u working on PDK? Aug 16 02:54:42 nahj Aug 16 02:54:44 canvas Aug 16 02:54:45 http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1792 Aug 16 02:54:54 flickering as in frames being drawn that arent there Aug 16 02:57:34 weird, like a ghost Aug 16 02:57:50 nah I know the problem Aug 16 02:57:54 well Aug 16 02:57:56 actually I dont **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Aug 16 02:59:56 2010