**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Aug 17 02:59:57 2010 Aug 17 03:02:32 old: http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff357/Tibfib/mojo%20messenger/menubaralt.png or new: http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff357/Tibfib/mojo%20messenger/mojomessenger.png ? Aug 17 03:04:24 I like the first one for the header and the msg boxes of the 2nd one Aug 17 03:04:52 oh, should I left-align the title there? Aug 17 03:05:57 I don't know, maybe it's the text behind it that makes me like it less Aug 17 03:06:05 did you try it with a header spacer? Aug 17 03:06:18 oh, that text will leave Aug 17 03:06:22 ignore that :P Aug 17 03:06:38 I can't :( Aug 17 03:06:55 when I look at it, IT'S RIGHT THERE MAN! Aug 17 03:08:53 Tibfib: new definetly! Aug 17 03:09:22 cool, I think I'm going new. Compose page doesn't fit well at the bottom. Aug 17 03:10:15 oh, I was looking at the wrong thing :D Aug 17 03:10:18 damn Aug 17 03:12:06 Tibfib: how many people are in your MM beta? Aug 17 03:12:43 I think there are 100 accounts Aug 17 03:12:54 or so Aug 17 03:13:34 got room for 1 more? :D Aug 17 03:13:52 sure Aug 17 03:14:04 114 users.. Aug 17 03:14:15 Not sure how it grew lately...lol Aug 17 03:14:21 haha Aug 17 03:15:19 sugardave, msg me your email address Aug 17 03:17:20 danggggg http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/16/xbox-live-launch-titles-for-windows-phone-7-finally-revealed-we/ Aug 17 03:17:21 I want one! Aug 17 03:18:12 gimmegimmegimme Aug 17 03:18:22 I hate Microsoft and that does look fun Aug 17 03:19:40 I wonder if I install an older copy of mm it will update to the latest version Aug 17 03:20:23 halfhalo_pre: it probably will Aug 17 03:24:40 I just installed wIRC on my Pre!!! idk What I do use this for? Aug 17 03:27:24 dang... if webOS dies I'm going wp7s Aug 17 03:27:25 Pro-Tip: Modifed !== Modified Aug 17 03:27:38 Please tell me that HP doesn't have plans to run advertisements on WebOS devices. Aug 17 03:27:41 first off Aug 17 03:27:45 webOS is not going to die Aug 17 03:27:58 alexfner: yes I know. I just mean, that's what I'm going for next Aug 17 03:27:59 hp doesn't even have a mobile advertising arm Aug 17 03:28:14 That's what I'd go for. Aug 17 03:28:50 HEEEYYY!!! Aug 17 03:28:51 wp7 is the most gross OS out there, I feel like they thought "what is nobody else doing? ... I've got it! Layouts that are designed for much bigger screens so that you have to scroll and click multiple times to get to what you need!" Aug 17 03:29:02 I'm here to lay down the law, if anyone needs it Aug 17 03:29:19 meh, it's odd... but I wouldn't say gross Aug 17 03:30:05 I specifically don't like, that UI was designed to have so much stuff off screen Aug 17 03:30:10 that doesn't make for a simpler user experience Aug 17 03:31:32 * Tibfib wants gsm Aug 17 03:31:51 for pre/wp7/psphone Aug 17 03:35:35 LoneStar99! Aug 17 03:36:04 Hmm Aug 17 03:36:12 Anybody want to try my app? Aug 17 03:46:27 does anyone keep wIRC open all the time? Aug 17 03:56:03 no Aug 17 03:56:17 Anivroom:sure Aug 17 03:56:20 send the ipk Aug 17 03:57:10 oh no! Aug 17 04:08:26 sweet http://mytechnologyworld9.blogspot.com/2010/08/complicated-mechanisms-explained-in.html Aug 17 04:41:50 * Tibfib found a way to cause a luna restart Aug 17 04:42:04 * Tibfib should probably fix that bug Aug 17 04:42:35 Tibfib: Security hole? Aug 17 04:42:53 nope, just a bug in my code Aug 17 04:45:40 bug, or *special feature*? Aug 17 04:51:39 * halfhalo is stuck Aug 17 04:53:21 hmmm, I wonder Aug 17 04:54:12 * halfhalo doesn't know the best way to walk back up a callback chain Aug 17 04:54:20 LOL, I don't think you can have a stage name called "testing"... Aug 17 04:55:35 ah need halps Aug 17 04:55:59 lolllll, I found an easy way to crash luna whenever you want... just create a stage called "testing" Aug 17 04:56:18 ah have no idea how to do this Aug 17 04:56:23 which is really sad, since its basic Aug 17 04:57:05 but then again, I'm hating async crap right now Aug 17 04:58:01 anyone got a multi stage app they can test my luna crash method? Aug 17 04:59:46 halps! Aug 17 05:05:37 * halfhalo sits in a corner and cries Aug 17 05:09:24 anyone have experience with draggable elements? Aug 17 05:10:14 Anivrom does Aug 17 05:10:23 as does Anivrooooooooom Aug 17 05:11:18 is anivrom around? Aug 17 05:11:46 nope Aug 17 05:18:58 damn, have a specific question why an draggable element seems to have tons of space between element and dragging movement Aug 17 05:20:26 awesome Airplane on TMC Aug 17 05:20:48 funny ass movie Aug 17 05:37:17 So Aug 17 05:37:21 How's everyone doing? Aug 17 05:37:49 good Aug 17 05:37:55 Robdor: Have any luck with the name? Aug 17 05:38:50 I did, I got a ton of suggestions over the weekend. I decided on "Plasma Cannon" earlier today and gave out an Amazon gift card to the suggester. Aug 17 05:39:27 nice Aug 17 05:39:37 Robdor: how did you determine who it was? Aug 17 05:40:01 He posted it on the webosroundup forums, and on twitter. So he was easy to get in contact with. Aug 17 05:40:08 ah cool Aug 17 05:43:03 Crowdsourcing the name worked out really well I think. Too bad my level builder is really ready for public consumption or I would try and and crowdsource my level building too. I'm lazy. Aug 17 05:44:15 kesne: did you get the gradient stuff sorted out? Aug 17 05:44:20 LoneStar99: Yeah Aug 17 05:44:27 LoneStar99: I decided just to toss the idea. Aug 17 05:44:47 Robdor: Nice, really looking forward to the app. Will the final one have the level builder? Aug 17 05:45:52 will mess with the "-webkit-gradient" at a later date, instead of images Aug 17 05:46:44 LoneStar99: I don't think it works in webOS Aug 17 05:47:04 you tried it? Aug 17 05:47:24 LoneStar99: A while back, yes Aug 17 05:47:54 kesne: Not at launch. I'm going to have to work on that a little later. I wrote the level builder in process.js, which doesn't work on the pre, so I'm going to need build a community website and stuff around it. Aug 17 05:48:34 Robdor: process.js? link? Aug 17 05:48:39 errr, processing.js I mean. Aug 17 05:48:52 * kesne finds it Aug 17 05:48:55 http://processingjs.org/ Aug 17 05:49:22 ok Robdor - very cool! Aug 17 05:49:27 So the level builder is in JS? Aug 17 05:49:37 alrignt i am out, chat later Aug 17 05:49:57 Isn't the app SDL or openGL? Aug 17 05:50:16 It's OpenGL Aug 17 05:50:18 1.1 Aug 17 05:51:45 Yeah, the level builder is in sudo JS. Processing.js is bridged and interpreter as traditional javascript. It makes drawing and mouse interactions really easy to do. Aug 17 05:52:30 The downside is that debugging sucks when something goes wrong because you get javascript errors instead of processing.js errors. Aug 17 05:52:56 Robdor: Ah Aug 17 05:53:02 Robdor: Well that's pretty neat Aug 17 05:53:19 Robdor: You should use KSO for all of your community needs. Aug 17 05:53:41 Aug 17 05:53:52 What is KSO? Aug 17 05:54:20 Keen Studios Online. It's an online system that I wrote for online interactions on apps Aug 17 05:55:18 ~10,000 registered users Aug 17 05:55:28 That's cool, is it like OpenFeint? Aug 17 05:56:19 Sort of Aug 17 05:56:23 Only cooler Aug 17 05:56:46 Because it's directly integrated by me, so it doesnt feel like an add-on Aug 17 05:58:40 It also allows me to bring in new features whenever I want them Aug 17 05:59:32 That sounds pretty cool Aug 17 05:59:46 kesne++ Aug 17 06:00:22 oil_pre: What's the ++ dealio? Aug 17 06:01:16 good job Aug 17 06:02:37 oil_pre: At? Aug 17 06:03:23 oil_pre: You realize it's really late here (well not really, but I'm operating on 2 hours of sleep), so I'm not following things. Aug 17 06:03:50 it's ok Aug 17 06:05:48 oil_pre: Just tell me this, was that good job sarcastic? Aug 17 06:06:14 lol Aug 17 06:06:35 oil_pre: Fine, don't tell me, whatever Aug 17 06:11:28 Robdor: a few open gl questions if you're up for them Aug 17 06:11:49 Sure, hopefully I can answer them. :) Aug 17 06:12:28 it's rather basic stuff, I think, I have decided to learn openGL today, and all I've got really, is the openGL ES 1.1 spec, so reading it can be difficult at some points Aug 17 06:12:50 I want to draw a few different sprites Aug 17 06:13:05 all are just images Aug 17 06:13:15 so do I texture the surface with an image? Aug 17 06:13:25 or can I just draw the images right onto the surface? Aug 17 06:13:30 I'm sorry Aug 17 06:13:34 let me make that more clear Aug 17 06:14:06 You have texture a surface with an image. ES doesn't support quads, so for a square surface you use a triangle strip. Aug 17 06:14:24 ah, alright Aug 17 06:14:37 I am surpirsed that ES doesn't support quads, as it seemed to be what I was reading Aug 17 06:15:02 I use this library to load textures: http://www.lonesock.net/soil.html -- It makes things a lot easier. Aug 17 06:15:17 could you shine the light towards the proper function? I was looking at glTexImage2D Aug 17 06:15:21 hmm I'll look at that Aug 17 06:16:23 Yeah, glTexImage2D and friends will do it for you. With soil, you just use SOIL_load_OGL_texture and it is ready to go. Aug 17 06:18:22 You also have to enable texturing with glEnable(GL_TEXTURE_2D) and glEnableClientState(GL_TEXTURE_COORD_ARRAY) Aug 17 06:18:47 When you texture in ES you have to use a vertex array, just like your geometry drawing does. Aug 17 06:20:14 hrm... Aug 17 06:20:40 when learning es 1.1 did you ever feel like it was somewhat poorly documented? Aug 17 06:21:37 I wonder if someone has ever learned anything completely new and thought, "That documentation was so great, it made this really easy, thank GOD!" Aug 17 06:21:43 I still feel that way. :) Aug 17 06:22:29 its like natural disasters Aug 17 06:23:01 I wonder if anyone has ever had a catastrophic natural disaster and thought, "the government responded really well to that" Aug 17 06:24:40 OpenGL ES is severely under documented. I just learned the basics of using desktop OpenGL with the first few of NeHe's tutorials then fought with the differences as I came across them. Aug 17 06:25:14 goodnight Aug 17 06:25:15 night night, Tibfib Aug 17 06:26:37 I instantly came across the differences Aug 17 06:26:46 as the drawing of shapes is completely different in ES Aug 17 06:26:49 to what he uses Aug 17 06:27:55 Yeah ES only supports vertex arrays. I have a pretty good link about those somewhere. I'll see if I can dig it up. Aug 17 06:29:03 http://pandorawiki.org/OpenGL_ES_1.1_Tutorial Aug 17 06:30:33 oh yeah I did actually read that Aug 17 06:30:35 good read Aug 17 06:35:28 Robdor: to add soil to a project, just add SOIL.h to the directory of the .cpp file, right? Aug 17 06:36:30 Yeah, and then compile soil as a lib and statically link it into your program. Aug 17 06:37:25 awe boo Aug 17 06:37:54 ugh Aug 17 06:38:00 :) Aug 17 06:38:11 This is what my build system does to create a lib out of it: http://gist.github.com/528704 Aug 17 06:38:42 You guys heard of what justin beiber did with that guy's number Aug 17 06:39:52 Robdor: awesome app, BTW. Aug 17 06:40:04 rwhitby: Thanks Aug 17 06:40:05 You're welcome, Robdor! Aug 17 06:40:35 What the... I thought we formed a mob and ran that stupid bot out of town a few weeks ago. Aug 17 06:40:45 Robdor: I tried ... Aug 17 06:41:03 some idiot keeps bringing it back Aug 17 06:41:30 ugh Aug 17 06:41:37 making a lib, not my thang Aug 17 06:41:47 this is getting more complex] Aug 17 06:41:51 dkirker needs to make a rule that there be no unsolicited bot chat in channel Aug 17 06:42:11 Agreed Aug 17 06:42:16 bots should only speak when spoken to Aug 17 06:42:48 alexfner: Are you using make? Aug 17 06:43:57 make? Aug 17 06:44:18 For your build system? Aug 17 06:44:40 Robdor: @ ealier, yeah, hehe Aug 17 06:46:23 Robdor: But lately he posted someone's number on twitter Aug 17 06:46:34 I wish I could tell you... Aug 17 06:46:41 i has been compiling through Xcode Aug 17 06:47:23 Xcode.... *shutters* Aug 17 06:47:32 yes yes I know Aug 17 06:47:34 laugh! Aug 17 06:47:37 laugh all of you! Aug 17 06:48:37 Trust me, we are. :) Aug 17 06:49:21 what's a better alternative for a mac developer? Aug 17 06:49:23 It's been a while since I've used xcode, so I don't remember how that whole build target stuff works to create libraries. Aug 17 06:49:48 I use a combination of vim and textmate Aug 17 06:50:07 And I just build from the terminal using Rake. Aug 17 06:51:07 yeah I'm not entirely against vim, but I find that it isn't very useful when I don't know what I'm doing (when I learn new things, and I don't know where the programming is going), because in that case I want to be able to scroll through my text and shiz Aug 17 06:51:30 but I suppose I could just do my thang without xCode Aug 17 06:51:36 would you all stop laughing THEN? Aug 17 06:51:50 Maybe... Aug 17 06:54:21 alexfner: only if you used emacs instead of vim ;) Aug 17 06:54:38 rwhitby: I lost a little bit of respect for you just then Aug 17 06:55:23 alexfner: you better stop listening to me then, it only goes downhill ;) Aug 17 06:55:33 hahaha Aug 17 06:56:05 rwhitby: so you're a person where the conversation peaks the moment it starts, and immediately approaches zero out to infinity Aug 17 06:56:21 that leaves nothing to look forward to Aug 17 06:56:25 * rwhitby develops on a mac laptop, in iTerm, in Emacs non-GUI mode, often ssh'd into a linux virtual machine running on the same box Aug 17 06:57:43 rwhitby: I had an idea Aug 17 06:59:04 morning Aug 17 06:59:31 Hi swisstomcat Aug 17 06:59:38 hi robdor Aug 17 07:00:46 evening Aug 17 07:01:15 I'm off to bed. Good night everybody. Aug 17 07:01:20 night Aug 17 07:01:31 later Aug 17 07:04:42 hey, it's swisstomcat! Aug 17 07:04:49 yo, it's kesne Aug 17 07:04:57 That it is Aug 17 07:05:19 do your parents know that you're still up? ;) Aug 17 07:10:14 swisstomcat: Aye Aug 17 07:10:18 swisstomcat: It's only 12 Aug 17 07:10:28 hehe Aug 17 07:10:30 just kidding Aug 17 07:10:47 anyone up for trading a pixi for a pre? Aug 17 07:10:54 (gsm pre that is) Aug 17 07:12:10 swisstomcat: I have a sprint Pixi Aug 17 07:12:14 Pre or pre plus? Aug 17 07:12:23 pre Aug 17 07:12:40 unlocked Aug 17 07:12:46 gsm Aug 17 07:13:14 oh, but the sprint pixi doesn't have wifi, right? Aug 17 07:16:16 right Aug 17 07:16:49 right Aug 17 07:17:03 And I need a pre plus Aug 17 07:17:07 later Aug 17 07:19:55 swisstomcat: eBay! Aug 17 07:22:04 true Aug 17 07:22:11 but i rather swap, because i have a spare pre Aug 17 07:23:18 :) Aug 17 07:23:23 I used to have piles of pre's Aug 17 07:23:28 put I gave them all back Aug 17 07:23:34 so now I just have an AT&T pre+ Aug 17 07:26:11 not sure i have one at all Aug 17 07:27:55 that sucks Aug 17 07:28:15 so it goes. Aug 17 07:28:41 i can give you a unlocked gsm pre .. for a pixi Aug 17 07:30:07 hiya cdm! geist! Aug 17 07:32:00 hey donald Aug 17 07:32:59 How's life on the outside treating you? Aug 17 07:33:17 night all Aug 17 09:01:05 Is it known whether VirtualBox 3.2.8 works with SDK 1.4.5? On Ubuntu 10.04 I can't find a way to access 3.2.6 which the Palm web site specifies. Aug 17 10:07:39 hi, i have am using ares an need some help with webview Aug 17 10:07:49 I show an external mobile website (traffic information based in location) in a webView. The html is encoded UTF-8. But the German "Umlaute" Ä,ö,ü,.... won`t be correctly displayed. How can I set the webview to use UTF-8 encoding. Aug 17 10:08:26 hi Aug 17 10:08:48 if i download the urls html, add "" and load this static url, it works perfect Aug 17 10:09:33 but it is a url that changes a lot and it is not mine. can i somehow tell the webview widget to use UTF-8 ? Aug 17 10:12:25 you can't parse the data yourself instead of using a webview? Aug 17 10:14:19 ok, if I "get" the data, add the encoding part to the string, how can I display it after that? Sorry, I am new to web programming Aug 17 10:14:39 stor it locally and open that "file" ? Aug 17 10:16:00 get the data on the website with ajax, store in a variable Aug 17 10:16:06 and then display that Aug 17 10:16:13 depends how much data it is Aug 17 10:16:19 do you have an example url? Aug 17 10:16:36 yes Aug 17 10:16:37 http://wraps.swr3.de/wraps/info/verkehr/iPhone/iPhoneGeoStaustrecken.php?mode=meldungen&north=49.53&east=8.35&detail&welle=SWR3 Aug 17 10:17:11 the umlaut don't even show up here on chrome Aug 17 10:17:21 neither on firefox! Aug 17 10:17:30 but with opera :) Aug 17 10:17:50 ah, i see why Aug 17 10:17:58 there's no header, it start with Aug 17 10:18:56 yes, it is content for an iphone app. i try to write my own webos-version and am officially allowed to use the source :) Aug 17 10:19:43 adding a header as to the string isn`t the problem. but how can I display it then? Aug 17 10:22:24 create a div, say
Aug 17 10:22:39 then you call the url you gave me with an ajax request Aug 17 10:23:09 you get responseText back, append the header stuff at the beginning and then update the div's innerHTML with your string Aug 17 10:23:12 that should work Aug 17 10:24:27 ok, thats all NEW to me. Aug 17 10:24:51 i am a stupid ares-user Aug 17 10:25:54 i think ares has a webservice widget Aug 17 10:27:10 yes it has. Aug 17 10:27:26 i`ll have to figure out, how to use it Aug 17 10:28:13 https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=6967 Aug 17 10:30:05 that should help Aug 17 10:30:13 thanks, Aug 17 10:30:14 You're welcome, linuxq! Aug 17 10:30:29 i`ll try tonight :) Aug 17 10:31:18 getting the data via ajax is already working for me. just the "display " part. Aug 17 10:31:25 i have to go now. Thanks again Aug 17 10:31:50 just come here and ask again Aug 17 10:32:01 thanks and CU Aug 17 11:12:19 Is it known whether VirtualBox 3.2.8 works with SDK 1.4.5? On Ubuntu 10.04 I can't find a way to access 3.2.6 which the Palm web site specifies. Aug 17 11:18:10 (I keep getting disconnected, don't know why. Getting old though. Apologies for the repetition.) Aug 17 11:18:14 Is it known whether VirtualBox 3.2.8 works with SDK 1.4.5? On Ubuntu 10.04 I can't find a way to access 3.2.6 which the Palm web site specifies. Aug 17 11:18:24 hi Aug 17 11:21:04 *sigh* how long will I stay connected this time? Aug 17 11:21:05 3.2.6 works so i assume 3.2.8 should work too .. did you try? Aug 17 11:21:43 it only broke when they made the big upgrade from 3.0 to 3.2 Aug 17 11:22:50 Not yet. Back with the first SDK they made a big point out of only running the version they specified, wondered if it was still valid. Guess I'll try. Aug 17 11:22:57 (01:20:31 PM) swisstomcat: 3.2.6 works so i assume 3.2.8 should work too .. did you try? Aug 17 11:22:57 (01:21:09 PM) swisstomcat: it only broke when they made the big upgrade from 3.0 to 3.2 Aug 17 11:23:57 Next disconnect in about 60 seconds when the currently playing song ends? We'll find out. Aug 17 11:24:56 hmm, seems like i have 3.1.6 Aug 17 11:42:57 Yo ho ho and a buckle of yum Aug 17 11:43:48 hi Aug 17 11:43:59 Hey you Aug 17 11:45:12 didn't used irc for a long time now. wirc is a good reason to start again ;) Aug 17 11:48:51 yo ho Aug 17 11:49:04 yeah, wirc is great Aug 17 11:53:04 anyone here knows what i have to do to get my free app included into Save/Restore? that thread is to hughe to read all. Aug 17 11:53:22 Wirc is sexy Aug 17 11:54:55 Taurec42: post a request in the thread, or just write a script for it yourself and attach it to a post Aug 17 11:55:43 Taurec42: most apps require a 5 line script to support. There's a how-to in the thread, or just request it there. A bounty of a couple of bucks often helps too. Aug 17 11:55:56 i dono how to write that script so i will post a request. Aug 17 11:56:20 Taurec42: what is the app? Aug 17 11:56:34 my app uses a depot to store some data Aug 17 11:57:00 Taurec42: http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/saverestore.git;a=blob;f=scripts/srf.mojo.template Aug 17 11:57:03 sidiary exporter. a app for keeping track of your diabetes data Aug 17 11:57:07 that's the template Aug 17 11:57:20 like insulin units and stuff Aug 17 11:57:29 put your App Name in the right place. delete the cookies line if you don't use cookies in the app. done. Aug 17 11:57:50 cool Aug 17 11:58:14 there are instructions in the thread about how to test the script before submitting it Aug 17 11:58:40 rwhitby: are Depot databases stored in the same location as SQLite? Aug 17 12:00:15 looks easy Aug 17 12:01:28 haeffb: the script works out where they are by querying the central database Aug 17 12:19:31 * Anivrom|pre is drinking irish blend java monster energy drink Aug 17 12:36:35 Look lively! Aug 17 12:57:53 morning all Aug 17 13:00:00 morning lonestar Aug 17 13:03:30 how is your morning Aug 17 13:03:50 morning is long gone ... had lunch already :) Aug 17 13:04:56 bagels & cream cheese Aug 17 13:05:06 & yogurt Aug 17 13:05:28 nice Aug 17 13:05:45 having a torilla with cheese and beans and hot sauce and hot tea Aug 17 13:06:24 yum Aug 17 13:06:28 i miss bagels Aug 17 13:10:19 Tim hortons = king of bagels Aug 17 13:14:06 i love lox bagels Aug 17 13:14:54 some jerk off left my app a 0 zero star b/ it is "yet another non-functional app" Aug 17 13:15:14 LoneStar99: DoctoH ? Aug 17 13:15:56 neah Kelly T, sent chuqui and email... Aug 17 13:16:34 oh, I thought you might have been the author of DoctoH, cause I just left it a zero star review with those exact words :) Aug 17 13:17:09 some folks my not like my apps, but "non-functional" and in selling a car without an engine is messed up Aug 17 13:17:29 rwhitby: sorry did not write the book =)., am looking into the Kindle though Aug 17 13:17:41 lost my linux pocket book Aug 17 13:18:54 LoneStar99: http://www.cyrket.com/p/palm/com.yourdomain.doctoh/ is the DoctoH I am referring to Aug 17 13:19:03 revised --> "some peeps may not like my apps, but "non-functional" as in selling a car without an engine is messed up Aug 17 13:19:49 rwhitby: oh never had heard of the app Aug 17 13:21:07 Haeffb doesn't have internalz.... Shuuuuunnnnn the unbeliever , shuuuuuuuuuuuunnnnnnnnnnnn Aug 17 13:21:20 Shuuuuuuuunnnnnnn Aug 17 13:21:55 I removed Internalz the other day too. I like my links to images to not be forcibly intercepted. Aug 17 13:22:19 But the ipk installer is so darn useful Aug 17 13:22:30 Anivrom|pre: I use Preware for that. Aug 17 13:22:56 Anyone remember the days when Internet Explorer made itself your default browser no matter what you desired? Aug 17 13:23:08 Oh didn't think preware could cause someone was hving issues with that Aug 17 13:23:11 That's what Internalz is doing today on the pre. Aug 17 13:23:25 Anivrom|pre: Preware was able to do it before Internalz was. Aug 17 13:23:54 I use internalz as a basic ide Aug 17 13:24:16 Overriding the handlers for file extensions without asking is a very rude thing for an app to do. Aug 17 13:25:51 An Internalz that allowed configuration of which file extensions it commandeers is a great tool. The current Internalz is simply rude. Aug 17 13:30:39 alright chat laters, need to take off Aug 17 13:31:17 Cya Aug 17 13:31:29 cu Aug 17 13:35:47 remember to Aug 17 13:40:35 oh damn. remember to...what? Aug 17 13:40:52 remember to make Aug 17 13:41:25 to make cupcakes lol Aug 17 13:41:37 ok really leaving now, cyl Aug 17 13:42:11 *g* Aug 17 13:50:31 morning, all Aug 17 13:51:18 morning hattczech Aug 17 14:01:05 Morning guys Aug 17 14:06:10 mornin' Aug 17 14:33:19 anything new going on Aug 17 14:34:16 not much Aug 17 14:35:54 morning Aug 17 14:39:46 morning sugardave Aug 17 14:45:35 Hya fellas Aug 17 14:48:33 hey Anivrom|pre Aug 17 14:49:54 today's goal: node.js + mongodb Aug 17 14:50:01 halfhalo is ahead of me Aug 17 14:50:46 Anivrom|pre: howdy Aug 17 14:50:54 sugardave: why not do couchDB? Aug 17 14:51:09 IIRC, that's the one db8 is going to hook into Aug 17 14:51:15 haven't looked at it yet...do you drive it with JSON? Aug 17 14:51:26 I think so... but can't say for sure Aug 17 14:51:40 http://couchdb.apache.org/ Aug 17 14:51:42 hmm, I will check it out Aug 17 14:51:47 there already :D Aug 17 14:54:20 Tibfib: sorry about last night. Got caught up in Aug 17 14:54:26 Stuff... Aug 17 14:54:47 haahha, no worries Aug 17 14:55:07 Ill give you a brief howto rightnow if you want Aug 17 14:55:23 Its only 3 steps Aug 17 14:56:09 Then you won't need me :) Aug 17 14:56:48 heh, alright Aug 17 14:57:10 I know step 3 Aug 17 14:57:35 PROFIT! Aug 17 14:57:52 Create a new rounded rectangle shape the same size as your button, corner radius 5px. Doesn't matter the colour. Aug 17 14:58:22 hey wait a minute.... Aug 17 14:58:26 Hold control while clicking on the image in the layer of your button Aug 17 14:59:01 Pres control shift + i to invert the selection then press delete Aug 17 14:59:08 On the button layer Aug 17 14:59:32 Sorry hold control while clicking on the rounded rextangle shape layer Aug 17 14:59:56 I can't do corner radi(?) in paint.net Aug 17 15:00:09 Intentional typo. My new cool word, cause everything is better with X in it Aug 17 15:00:20 Ohhhhh you're not using photoshop? Aug 17 15:00:28 Noob... Aug 17 15:00:29 no, hah, that's why I can't do it Aug 17 15:00:35 Lol Aug 17 15:00:37 Gimpy Aug 17 15:00:38 pfft, you pay for a license for me and I'd use it Aug 17 15:00:56 * Tibfib hates gimp Aug 17 15:01:10 Anivrom|pre: so I'll send you an email? :) Aug 17 15:01:11 I suck at it, but I can make rounded corners with it :P Aug 17 15:01:12 * Anivrom|pre concurs with tibfis statement Aug 17 15:01:25 Lol! Touche Aug 17 15:01:48 and I don't think there is Paint.net for Linux Aug 17 15:01:50 You can send the email but I'm working my day job all day so no gfx love til tonight Aug 17 15:02:03 there's probably a paint.net plugin for rounded corners... I'll look harder Aug 17 15:02:23 Anivrom|pre: alrighty Aug 17 15:03:00 Did you guys find the shop and inventort Aug 17 15:03:15 Count numbers cobfusing? Aug 17 15:03:25 All typos intentional Aug 17 15:03:40 nah, they weren't cobfusing Aug 17 15:04:30 they were a tad confusing though Aug 17 15:04:37 Heaffb said he couldn't figure out how many he had vs how many the shop has in stock Aug 17 15:05:02 what's wrong with the gimp? Aug 17 15:05:15 it's lame Aug 17 15:05:16 har har Aug 17 15:05:19 it took a bit to understand what the various numbers represented Aug 17 15:05:27 Well once I get the clickable tutoria scene up it will be berrer Aug 17 15:05:56 Yea gonna have a tut screen Aug 17 15:06:15 paint.net is sooo much simpler to use than gimp Aug 17 15:06:50 faster to get up & running Aug 17 15:07:58 Anivrom|pre: I think I'm just going to email it over... send it back when you have time, there's no immediate rush Aug 17 15:08:11 Oknp Aug 17 15:10:01 okay...so REST and RESTful...this is all just buzzword crap and doesn't necessarily change the way I would write code against a particular service. And on the service side, I just do like I normally would, but map URIs to functions in my service? Aug 17 15:10:06 did I get that right? Aug 17 15:11:58 Tibfib: paint.net has rounded rectangles Aug 17 15:12:10 you can't specify the radius tho Aug 17 15:12:50 brush width? Aug 17 15:12:55 And you need to be able to marquee it to invert and chop off the fluff from the actual image you are editing Aug 17 15:12:57 not the same Aug 17 15:13:14 haeffb_pre: he doesn't wanna build the button from scratch Aug 17 15:13:27 yeah... Aug 17 15:14:13 Although is there a magic wand? Aug 17 15:14:20 yess Aug 17 15:15:15 Hmm create the rounded rec so that when yu scale it down the corners are the right size Aug 17 15:15:21 bbl Aug 17 15:15:37 Then stretch the inside to make it fit your dimensions Aug 17 15:16:02 Magic wand the outside and use that selection to cookie cut the button Aug 17 15:18:03 http://forums.getpaint.net/index.php?/topic/14355-rounded-rectangle-effect-v1300-14-may-2009/?s=28d09d49bef0a9d68a6647add6883183 Aug 17 15:18:52 http://paint.net.amihotornot.com.au/Features/Effects/Plugins/Render/Rounded_Rectangle/ Aug 17 15:21:28 Point naaaarf! Aug 17 15:22:36 "pinky, are you thinking what I'm thinking?" "I think so brain, but where are we gonna get pants that size??" Aug 17 15:22:41 Fav line Aug 17 15:23:19 One is a genious, the others insane lol Aug 17 15:24:26 sugardave: mongodb is much more like a relational db than couchdb. and mongo is also json Aug 17 15:24:44 right...reading up a bit now Aug 17 15:24:51 halfhalo: I do have a question for you Aug 17 15:25:20 shoot Aug 17 15:26:42 halfhalo: last night late I started looking at this nodules thing...not sure I quite grasp how you use it. The readme example is clear as mud for someone new to node. Is it like (mynode.js file): require nodules; require otherstuff; and then what? Aug 17 15:26:57 or am I missing something? Aug 17 15:27:21 your missing something. I'll give you an example when I get to work Aug 17 15:27:28 its way easier than that Aug 17 15:27:41 halfhalo: awesome, I appreciate it Aug 17 15:28:42 playing this PDK game Aug 17 15:28:46 puzzle paint lite Aug 17 15:28:52 runs so beautifully smooth :( Aug 17 15:30:45 mr0ning Aug 17 15:31:47 M0rn1ng Aug 17 15:31:59 moroning Aug 17 15:32:24 Mornooon Aug 17 15:33:07 My father in laws name moon lol Aug 17 15:33:22 heh Aug 17 15:33:39 if you're bored: www.hack-test.com Aug 17 15:33:42 sugardave: dpn't worry, im going to make you help me with my callback chain as payment Aug 17 15:33:56 Haha Aug 17 15:34:09 No such thing as a free lunch Aug 17 15:34:35 Famic! Aug 17 15:34:46 must have hardware accelerated ui Aug 17 15:35:49 I'm most likely doing my next game in pdk Aug 17 15:36:52 halfhalo: haha, okay Aug 17 15:37:29 That famic guy sure knows his css Aug 17 15:39:35 hello chuqui Aug 17 15:41:56 chuqui: having issue with runTextIndexer...how do I get hold of engineering? Aug 17 15:42:11 use two hands Aug 17 15:42:14 they're slippery Aug 17 15:42:43 the problem is with some confidential text so don't want to post in forums Aug 17 15:42:44 post a note on it in the portal forums, I'll point an engineer at it. Aug 17 15:42:53 morning, all Aug 17 15:43:25 morning chuqui Aug 17 15:44:59 I will send chuqui an email... Aug 17 15:45:03 chuqui: howdy Aug 17 15:46:12 that sounds like a cool thing to be able to do :o Aug 17 15:46:18 pointing engineers at things Aug 17 15:46:20 also, how can I get a copy of the Done icon Palm used on their website...it's clearly different than the one in my app...? Aug 17 15:47:15 just don't point pointy things at engineers. they get nervous. Aug 17 15:47:34 if you get engineers into a stampede, it can get ugly. fortunately, I have my pack of herding dogs. Aug 17 15:47:50 HURDing dogs :) Aug 17 15:49:18 oy! Aug 17 15:49:31 ibm lotus symphony doesn't have keyboard shortcuts!? Aug 17 15:49:53 or docx support... Aug 17 15:50:01 I used to like this. Aug 17 15:51:13 oh wait this is 1.3... Aug 17 15:51:16 and they're on 3 beta 3? Aug 17 15:57:04 chuqui: can i get an answer as to whether or not this is actually a bug? https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=7675 Aug 17 15:57:14 i know i've asked many times, but still no love :( Aug 17 15:58:00 let me ask Aug 17 16:04:29 Oil: did you hear the one about the wIRC app that wouldn't open?.. I'm sure I don't need to finish the joke Aug 17 16:11:37 "you need fstabfix" Aug 17 16:11:53 not a compelling punchline Aug 17 16:13:09 lies Aug 17 16:14:15 still no fix on uploading apps i see, anyone heard anything about it? Aug 17 16:16:51 I have fstabfix. Aug 17 16:18:28 It has to do with when I get dc'ed and close the app then reopen it Aug 17 16:20:30 what confuses me is that a lot of people are still uploading apps (or at least there are new ones every day) but i surely cant upload any Aug 17 16:23:24 Its only blocked for devs that this room regularely, something about us becoming too powerful and they had to take drastic action to stop the spread of "our kind" Aug 17 16:23:39 That use this room* Aug 17 16:24:04 sugardave: uploaded his app to beta over the weekend... Aug 17 16:24:28 Beta works. Apparently main feed doesnt Aug 17 16:25:10 figures, they fear us Aug 17 16:25:21 I don't know thought. Just spewing what others are saying Aug 17 16:25:48 rehi Aug 17 16:25:51 ping chuqui Aug 17 16:26:05 swisstomcat: ping Aug 17 16:26:13 Do you not fear yourself? The power your fingers contain is unimaginable Aug 17 16:26:24 I fear myself Aug 17 16:26:28 But I'm crazy Aug 17 16:26:55 I fear myself when I'm reading the code I wrote the day before Aug 17 16:27:14 At 2am Aug 17 16:27:20 With no coffee Aug 17 16:27:45 chuqui: node.js love, we want it....some of use could use it now for testing Aug 17 16:27:55 SI SENOR Aug 17 16:27:58 Ok, nodules Aug 17 16:28:04 ummmm Aug 17 16:28:21 i would rather just be able to upload apps :) Aug 17 16:28:22 sugardave: node.js is an interesting technology. we should evaluate it some day Aug 17 16:28:44 chuqui: didn't ben and dion say that node.js/common.js will come to webos 2.0 (trident?) Aug 17 16:28:46 halfhalo_class: so my first question...is it expected that all the modules I want to load via nodules HAVE to be on a web server somewhere or can they be local? Aug 17 16:28:58 chuqui: WE should evaluate it....the sooner the better :D Aug 17 16:29:35 * sugardave makes it known that he desires to be on "that list." Aug 17 16:29:58 you can load modules normally, but nodules lets you use github or other sources dynamically Aug 17 16:30:06 and I think I just locked my filing cabinet Aug 17 16:30:11 :/ Aug 17 16:30:18 halfhalo_class: ah, okay...that may have been my first confusion point Aug 17 16:30:23 oh, ypu're ON the list Aug 17 16:30:33 haeffb_pre: but I want to be on the good list Aug 17 16:30:37 :( Aug 17 16:30:46 sugardave: example on how it works http://github.com/halfhalo/IRC-Visualization Aug 17 16:30:48 oh. nevermind. Aug 17 16:31:19 sugardave: yeah Aug 17 16:31:28 swisstomcat: did they? I can't keep this stuff straight... Aug 17 16:31:47 halfhalo_class: thanks, will check it out Aug 17 16:31:59 literally Aug 17 16:32:53 hah Aug 17 16:33:46 chuqui: as far as i remember from the keynote, yes .. javascript services based on node.js/common.js Aug 17 16:33:54 chuqu: so any word on the app uploap problems? Aug 17 16:34:06 chuqui* Aug 17 16:44:33 dekan: inventory Aug 17 16:44:34 * dekan is carrying nothing. Aug 17 16:44:38 * sugardave gives dekan a towel Aug 17 16:44:39 * dekan is now carrying a towel. Aug 17 16:47:18 halfhalo_class: haven't downloaded your stuff yet, but you can describe what this pattern does? var something = other_something.property = function() {...} Aug 17 16:47:30 s/you can/can you/ Aug 17 16:47:58 oh, yeah Aug 17 16:48:47 its so in a parent class I can go var blah=new other_something.property(); Aug 17 16:49:11 look at my irc client thing on github Aug 17 16:49:19 that's what I'm doing Aug 17 16:49:23 it's irc_bot Aug 17 16:49:41 var bot = irc_bot.bot = function() {...} Aug 17 16:49:43 yeah Aug 17 16:49:51 so later, then you do Aug 17 16:49:54 new bot() ? Aug 17 16:50:03 Yup Aug 17 16:50:06 okay, thanks Aug 17 16:51:31 oh wait, no it's later you do var bot = new irc_bot.bot(); I think I sort of understand Aug 17 16:51:47 this is where my refusal to dev JS with Class.create is going to hurt, I think Aug 17 16:52:02 I don't do class.create perse Aug 17 16:52:23 yeah, you just have a different pattern for object creation than I've used Aug 17 16:52:28 I think I can work with this Aug 17 16:52:49 er class creation or whatever the hell it is called Aug 17 17:17:56 Hey metaview Aug 17 17:18:03 hi Aug 17 17:37:58 who thinks I should get panda express for lunch Aug 17 17:38:56 who thinks.... oil is oily Aug 17 17:39:10 Who thinks I'm insane Aug 17 17:42:02 halfhalo: yes to first, yes to second, and ummm yes to third Aug 17 17:42:12 :p Aug 17 17:42:28 Its only 10:41 though... not late enough for food Aug 17 17:42:47 Meh get zome now and then get some later Aug 17 17:43:02 But... Its far away Aug 17 17:45:03 Desperately rubs fingers on inside of banana peel to make fingers slippery so he can actually type on pre keyboard Aug 17 17:45:25 ... I don't think slippery fingers are the problem Aug 17 17:45:30 ./me Aug 17 17:45:53 Oh they are Aug 17 17:46:02 But the banana peel didn't work Aug 17 17:46:06 :/ Aug 17 17:56:19 * MetaView would also take Panda, but for dinner Aug 17 17:57:08 I'll get food after This episode is over Aug 17 17:57:34 watching lie to me Aug 17 18:00:30 'morning everyone Aug 17 18:01:31 dkirker: good morning Aug 17 18:01:32 good morning Tibfib Aug 17 18:01:45 dekan, thanks! Aug 17 18:01:45 You're welcome, Tibfib! Aug 17 18:02:12 Hey all! Aug 17 18:02:37 no Aug 17 18:04:56 lol Aug 17 18:08:49 no? Aug 17 18:09:47 no Aug 17 18:09:51 kense, just no Aug 17 18:10:03 ... Aug 17 18:10:13 halfhalo: kense isn't here Aug 17 18:18:17 Roflcopter. Aug 17 18:18:42 Lollerskates Aug 17 18:19:30 LOLERWHEELS! Aug 17 18:23:29 hey, it takes a lot longer for palm to release apps now for some reason Aug 17 18:29:04 Anivrom|pre: I was anivroom for like half of yesterday Aug 17 18:29:15 Sweet Aug 17 18:29:28 EVERYONE believed it too Aug 17 18:29:43 * oilsworkn used lumberjack to track down a wirc bug from his pre while driving to work this morning :) Aug 17 18:29:46 I had a date with my wife yesterday so I bever even turned on my computer Aug 17 18:29:52 Never either Aug 17 18:30:36 I woulda called you out. Shut down the show Aug 17 18:30:46 Sent the good people home Aug 17 18:30:55 Put you to sleep Aug 17 18:31:01 Etc Aug 17 18:31:40 * Anivrom|pre Homestar runnow Aug 17 18:31:47 Oops Aug 17 18:31:50 I was telling people about my new app. Aug 17 18:31:52 Lollercopters Aug 17 18:31:59 Cool Aug 17 18:32:37 HAY Aug 17 18:32:56 there we go Aug 17 18:33:13 Gosh Aug 17 18:33:18 this is rediculous Aug 17 18:33:35 Kesne, go add something to checkers for a few hours Aug 17 18:33:44 Anivrom|pre: Why? Aug 17 18:33:50 Do I seriously need to start kicking people again? Aug 17 18:33:51 You seem bored Aug 17 18:34:12 * oilsworkn pushes kesne to the front of dkirkers line Aug 17 18:34:20 Lol Aug 17 18:34:34 We've found a suitable sacrifice dkirker Aug 17 18:34:40 lol Aug 17 18:34:42 Please accept it Aug 17 18:35:02 So your wrath may be quenched Aug 17 18:35:15 dkirker: Haha, no Aug 17 18:35:26 dkirker: I only meant to change it once Aug 17 18:35:34 dkirker: Then I fail-typed a lot Aug 17 18:35:40 * dkirker recommends Mavis Beacon Aug 17 18:35:59 * Anivrom|pre recommends keanu reeves Aug 17 18:36:02 Anivrom|pre: I'm working right now. Go work on your app Aug 17 18:36:05 dont be dissin on mavis Aug 17 18:36:10 Hi! I'm keanu reeves Aug 17 18:36:39 Kesne: I'm Actually working... Aug 17 18:36:50 Making real money, to pay real bills. Aug 17 18:36:54 Anivrom|pre: Like job working or app working? Aug 17 18:37:01 Yes I'm a sucker Aug 17 18:37:07 Job working Aug 17 18:37:12 * dkirker hates bills. Rent is worse... Aug 17 18:37:19 Rent too Aug 17 18:37:24 Bills is rent Aug 17 18:37:25 thats why you live out of a van like me Aug 17 18:37:29 Rent is bills Aug 17 18:37:34 My rent is really low. Aug 17 18:37:35 i just drive around looking for wifis Aug 17 18:37:38 I could live out of a van, actually... Aug 17 18:37:39 Same with my bills Aug 17 18:38:12 kesne: yeah... you live with your parents, I'm sure... Aug 17 18:38:15 oilsworkn: so you drove your house to work this morning? Trippy Aug 17 18:38:29 my house never left work yesterday xD Aug 17 18:38:48 So you live at work? Aug 17 18:38:54 Trippy Aug 17 18:38:54 lol Aug 17 18:38:59 I live at home Aug 17 18:39:03 tis cheaper for college Aug 17 18:39:10 woha! Hamster Dance song! Aug 17 18:39:10 There's a wrd for that Aug 17 18:39:17 Work-a-holic Aug 17 18:39:24 mmmm, work Aug 17 18:39:37 Haha Aug 17 18:39:40 dkirker: I'm 16, so yes Aug 17 18:39:46 tsktsktsk Aug 17 18:40:00 when did you turn 16? was there a time machine involved? Aug 17 18:40:03 last i heard you were like 12 Aug 17 18:40:07 My plate of work isn't as tasty as yours dkirker Aug 17 18:40:07 couldnt have been that long ago Aug 17 18:40:21 oilsworkn: :P Aug 17 18:40:27 Anivrom|pre: I have 3 jobs. Mine's tastier. :) Aug 17 18:40:27 So THATS where my time machine went! Aug 17 18:40:30 Haha, This App Does Nothing got more reviews! Aug 17 18:40:41 "100.00 dollars really ?" Aug 17 18:40:51 "This 'app' should not be allowed" Aug 17 18:40:55 "this app sucks" Aug 17 18:41:08 You don't have to buy it to review it kesne Aug 17 18:41:18 Anivrom|pre: You actually do, ani Aug 17 18:41:38 Negative. No one would pay 100 for an app Aug 17 18:41:39 lol Aug 17 18:41:40 oil: will lumberjack be in app cat? Aug 17 18:41:51 its c service Aug 17 18:41:52 Anivrom|pre: You need to download an app to review it Aug 17 18:41:56 which is strictly homebrewin Aug 17 18:42:05 crap Aug 17 18:42:08 rehi Aug 17 18:42:10 whats lumberjack Aug 17 18:42:18 sounds like gay porn Aug 17 18:42:21 a logger Aug 17 18:42:23 duh Aug 17 18:42:24 * Anivrom|pre wonders same thing Aug 17 18:42:25 a new webos-internals app Aug 17 18:42:26 Anivrom|pre: no, you don't. Aug 17 18:42:29 think Aug 17 18:42:30 It's hawt Aug 17 18:42:30 palm-log Aug 17 18:42:32 Err, @kesne Aug 17 18:42:32 on-device Aug 17 18:42:36 but better :) Aug 17 18:42:42 Yuh-Huh Aug 17 18:42:44 Sure Aug 17 18:42:47 Tibfib: Since when? Aug 17 18:42:54 Just create a app with the same app id and you can review it Aug 17 18:42:57 Since 10 years ago Aug 17 18:42:59 Atleasy Aug 17 18:43:07 Tibfib: Have you tested that? Aug 17 18:43:17 not for a while Aug 17 18:43:23 Lol Aug 17 18:43:24 thats how it was before Aug 17 18:43:24 reviews != downloads Aug 17 18:43:26 Tibfib: Last I checked, it errors out Aug 17 18:43:34 Tibfib: So you have to download it Aug 17 18:43:36 dundundunnnnn Aug 17 18:43:41 Tibfib: I've tried that, heh Aug 17 18:43:46 Dekan: fight Aug 17 18:43:47 Fight, Fight, Fight, Fight! Aug 17 18:43:50 it used to be blank app with right appid = free update for paid app Aug 17 18:43:50 hahahahahah Aug 17 18:44:05 couldashouldawoulda Aug 17 18:44:06 yeah, I thought they fixed that, but not the reviews. Aug 17 18:44:16 im sure they fixed the app updates Aug 17 18:44:18 I think they fixed it in reviews Aug 17 18:44:20 but i have no clue about reviews Aug 17 18:44:29 they fixed the updates and reviews last I checked Aug 17 18:44:50 Anyways my point is there must be a way to review wirhout purchasing since it has new reviews. Noone would pay 100 for that app Aug 17 18:45:09 Anivrom|pre: People paid $5 for it Aug 17 18:45:37 5 is small compared to 100. I can't believe you even made that comparison just now Aug 17 18:45:48 I know Aug 17 18:45:50 but the point is Aug 17 18:45:53 And you're one of the suckers that paid 5 Aug 17 18:46:00 people pay money for apps that don't do anything Aug 17 18:46:04 Last I heard Aug 17 18:46:08 like oils! Aug 17 18:46:10 :p Aug 17 18:46:15 They do but not 100 freakin dollars Aug 17 18:46:35 Anivrom|pre: People paid $1000 for an I Am Rich app on iPhone Aug 17 18:46:42 Mostly on accident... Aug 17 18:46:55 Its not 1000 Aug 17 18:46:58 Tibfib: How do you accidently pay $1000? Aug 17 18:47:03 Anivrom|pre: It was Aug 17 18:47:07 Didn't you read the news articles? Aug 17 18:47:08 Anivrom|pre: Before it got pulled Aug 17 18:47:17 halfhalo: ;( Aug 17 18:47:21 Tibfib: No, give me a summary Aug 17 18:47:30 Kesne doesn't read sruff. He just makes up what he doesn't know Aug 17 18:47:51 and most of what he does Aug 17 18:48:14 compared to me, who makes EVERYTHING up Aug 17 18:48:29 http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=vfeo5&s=4 Aug 17 18:48:32 there's one example Aug 17 18:48:47 That's better though, atleast you have consistency Aug 17 18:49:44 Ok so kesne is saying he actually wrote " this app does nothing" Aug 17 18:49:52 Anyone confirm this? Aug 17 18:50:15 Tibfib: Well, that's the thing. People are idiots. Aug 17 18:50:49 Hey guys, I just started a PDK FAQ on webos101. If there are any questions you guys would like answered put them on there and I will do my best to answer them! -- http://webos101.com/PDK_FAQ Aug 17 18:51:53 well I've found an excellent set of openGL ES 1.1 tuts Aug 17 18:51:56 if anyone is interested Aug 17 18:52:04 PDK FAQ ++ Aug 17 18:52:33 hrm? Aug 17 18:52:46 alexfner: Did you make Critical Mass? Aug 17 18:53:29 Yes he did Aug 17 18:53:41 yeah Aug 17 18:54:47 I'm addicted to your game. I suck at it though. :) Aug 17 18:54:58 haha Aug 17 18:55:07 do you enjoy the lagg? it's an added *feature* Aug 17 18:55:18 I haven't had any lag Aug 17 18:55:28 I must be lucky. Aug 17 18:55:39 oh good Aug 17 18:56:16 I played it for a bit but couldn't get hooked. I played too much of the pc versions Aug 17 18:56:36 I'm currently hooked on Planet Eaters Aug 17 18:56:49 Nice plug Aug 17 18:57:09 can you use if($var) in php? Aug 17 18:57:22 Tibfib: I think so Aug 17 18:58:10 hmm, we'll see! Aug 17 18:58:12 Look! The CN tower * tries to act amused* Aug 17 18:58:42 tibfib, use if(isset($var)) Aug 17 18:59:03 halfhalo: mmkay, thanks Aug 17 18:59:42 kesne: I liked your Planet Eaters game too. Actually, I think I was the first to give it a review. I don't care much for the icon though. Aug 17 19:00:12 A bit too linear for me Aug 17 19:00:43 And repetitive Aug 17 19:01:20 I don't really have a problem with repetitive because I play games in 3 or 4 minute bursts. Aug 17 19:01:29 Upgrades would be boss Aug 17 19:01:31 which critical mass is perfect for! Aug 17 19:01:53 how easy is it to load models into openGL es 1.1 and draw them? Aug 17 19:02:20 Ugh Aug 17 19:02:29 hah Aug 17 19:02:33 Seriously, why do my parent feel the need to throw a content filter on my computer Aug 17 19:02:56 HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Aug 17 19:03:00 HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Aug 17 19:03:03 HAHAHAHAHA Aug 17 19:03:08 What'd I miss? Aug 17 19:03:21 I dropped connection after I said "Rob M" Aug 17 19:03:29 content filter.... HAHAHAHA Aug 17 19:03:50 halfhalo: The thing is, I have a mac which doesn't have it on it Aug 17 19:04:05 halfhalo: So I don't really see the point my parents are trying to make Aug 17 19:04:18 I don't have any filters Aug 17 19:04:22 Anywhere Aug 17 19:04:24 Evar Aug 17 19:04:37 halfhalo: I just have to switch computers Aug 17 19:04:43 Robdor: So, you're Rob M? Aug 17 19:04:44 And I dont Aug 17 19:04:53 kesne: Yep Aug 17 19:04:58 Neither does my little brother who's only 14 Aug 17 19:05:00 Robdor: Well that's cool Aug 17 19:05:15 Robdor: Glad you liked it. If I ever get around to it, I might change it up a bit Aug 17 19:05:34 Robdor: Working so much on KSO/Checkers 2.2 Aug 17 19:06:12 And working on some other non-programming projects consume my time Aug 17 19:08:37 So kesne, got any good ideas for minigames? Aug 17 19:08:50 Anivrom|pre: Tap when screen turns white game Aug 17 19:08:54 Reaction test Aug 17 19:09:02 Anivrom|pre: Planet Eaters-type game Aug 17 19:09:04 Gay Aug 17 19:10:03 I'm think a teeter totter type game Aug 17 19:10:04 Gtta keep him on but objects fall down Aug 17 19:11:13 Simple games that only take a few minutes and you can stop at any time and cash out Aug 17 19:11:16 Anivrom|pre: Gay? Really? Aug 17 19:11:25 The tapping one? Aug 17 19:11:36 Kinda simple Aug 17 19:12:11 But a simon says would be nice Aug 17 19:12:48 Anivrom|pre: two words Aug 17 19:12:51 zombie Aug 17 19:12:52 mode Aug 17 19:13:12 hahahahahaha Aug 17 19:13:19 For what? Lol Aug 17 19:13:30 for your game Aug 17 19:13:37 the dead ones came come back Aug 17 19:13:46 and you have to keep them from eating the current one Aug 17 19:13:49 zombie mode is always win Aug 17 19:13:57 +1 Aug 17 19:14:07 Robdor: is there any sort of layering with SDL/ openGL? can I layer an openGL screen on top of another? Aug 17 19:14:23 Rofl! Aug 17 19:14:39 Interesting concept but they don't die, they just run away Aug 17 19:14:49 boooooring Aug 17 19:14:49 Less gruesome Aug 17 19:14:59 Meh Aug 17 19:15:01 alexfner: Are you using orthogonal mode in OpenGL? Aug 17 19:15:06 You're not my dempgraphic Aug 17 19:15:16 Robdor: yes? methinks yes Aug 17 19:15:23 they should "go to the farm" Aug 17 19:16:08 If everything has a z axis of 0 it will layer the most recently processed shape on top. Aug 17 19:16:28 Otherwise you can set depth with the z-axis Aug 17 19:17:12 Everything in my game is done with a 0.0f z axis, but then again I'm not layering things very often. Aug 17 19:17:39 I should buy aq pixi Aug 17 19:17:42 a* Aug 17 19:19:31 I'm gonna transfer those menu icons on main screen to horizontal scroller so when I pixi compat my app I don't have to do any fancy resizing Aug 17 19:19:44 The status bars on the other hand will be a pain Aug 17 19:20:57 Wow, my beta that I put out last weekend made it up to #14 on the hot apps list. I didn't think apps in the beta feeds were eligible to win anything in the hot apps contest. Aug 17 19:21:37 Plasma Cannon? nice Aug 17 19:21:39 cool Aug 17 19:21:40 they are! Aug 17 19:21:55 well I have a few hundred things to redraw Aug 17 19:21:59 including the background Aug 17 19:22:09 and everything needs to be textured Aug 17 19:22:21 so I was wondering if there was a way to avoid doing all of it Aug 17 19:24:13 and just redraw what's needed Aug 17 19:24:20 You could try giving your geometry different z values for each layer to see how it handles that. I know that the blending options will also affect the layering. Aug 17 19:25:30 you know what would solve all the problems? porn Aug 17 19:25:46 I've never been able to grasp OpenGL's concept of blending. I ended up randomly trying options until it worked for me, then never touched that piece of code again. Some times cargo culting is the way to go with OpenGL. Aug 17 19:25:57 hhahahaha Aug 17 19:26:23 "I don't really understand OpenGL, I just use it"...damn straight! Aug 17 19:26:45 It might be a different story if it ES were documented better. :) Aug 17 19:27:40 Hey kesne: sugardave: haeffb_pre: what do you think about a battle system? Upgrading and such. Without giving away too much in here Aug 17 19:28:19 Anivrom|pre: battle? Aug 17 19:28:26 Yea Aug 17 19:28:36 Anivrom|pre: Like battle eachothers Aug 17 19:28:40 Over internets? Aug 17 19:28:43 Yeaah! Aug 17 19:28:52 And buy stuff/upgrade stats Aug 17 19:28:56 Only if you use KSO Aug 17 19:28:57 Attacks and such Aug 17 19:28:59 well I have found, like I said, the best tutorial available Aug 17 19:29:04 That would be sick Aug 17 19:29:14 Anivrom|pre: DO IT! Aug 17 19:29:22 lol, battle? Aug 17 19:29:29 uh-oh..up to 4.4 with a 5th review THAT I CAN'T SEE ANYWHERE Aug 17 19:29:39 I'm not sure that fits the theme of the app? Aug 17 19:29:40 alexfner: Can you put a link to it on webos101.com? I would really like to see it. Aug 17 19:30:13 is webos101.com your site? Aug 17 19:30:20 never been here... Aug 17 19:30:21 front page? Aug 17 19:30:24 or somewhere else? Aug 17 19:30:26 dekan: 101 Aug 17 19:30:26 sugardave: can't you add a star rating without typing a review? Aug 17 19:30:27 101 is http://www.webos101.com Aug 17 19:30:42 oil: oh yeah...see? it's been too long Aug 17 19:31:13 oil get back to wirc Aug 17 19:31:15 :p Aug 17 19:31:17 oil: But those still show up Aug 17 19:31:47 sugardave: sometimes they take time Aug 17 19:31:58 I just did a rating w/ no review... Aug 17 19:32:23 I think I read the number as "number of reviews" not "number of ratings" Aug 17 19:32:24 alexfner: No, it's not mine. Aug 17 19:32:26 also, if someone updates their rating it counts it again. Aug 17 19:32:44 I'm just trying to make an effort of gathering some good PDK material there. Aug 17 19:32:46 so I'm just an idiot today Aug 17 19:33:23 alexfner: It's actually Roy-Pre101's site. Aug 17 19:33:25 haeffb_pre: what do you think of the colored rows, too much? Aug 17 19:33:35 Here would be a good place for the link: http://webos101.com/OpenGL Aug 17 19:34:00 a bit over the top perhaps. not rwhitby friendly? Aug 17 19:34:05 heh Aug 17 19:34:13 Tibfib: I know it doesn't exactly fit the theme bt would be sweet no? Aug 17 19:34:24 Anivrom|pre: hah yeah it would Aug 17 19:34:39 But you should work on the other stuff I think Aug 17 19:34:48 I think I may fix it so there's like a color bar underneath each team or something less obnoxious Aug 17 19:35:18 I pitched the idea to kate and she said the same thing. THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX people Aug 17 19:35:49 Yea its not like I would be doing it now Aug 17 19:35:51 lol it totally doesn't fit. but it's totally awesome as well Aug 17 19:35:54 For 2.0 or domething Aug 17 19:35:58 zombie mode Aug 17 19:36:01 I'm telling you Aug 17 19:36:05 instant win Aug 17 19:36:06 hahaha Aug 17 19:36:33 Profile then minigames Aug 17 19:36:43 Minigames are gonna make the app Aug 17 19:36:46 what do the zombies eat? GRAAAAAIIIIIINS Aug 17 19:36:51 plants Aug 17 19:36:57 its plants vs zombies Aug 17 19:37:09 cool game Aug 17 19:37:57 So guy makes photoeditor for apple app catalogue, sells it for $2 and makes $150,000 in first month Aug 17 19:40:20 Sugardave, was trying to use clone() and all my arrays copied as 0... Aug 17 19:40:26 Any protips? Aug 17 19:41:07 hmmm Aug 17 19:41:15 are they sub-arrays of arrays? Aug 17 19:42:24 Umm Aug 17 19:42:41 scratch that Aug 17 19:42:46 here's an example Aug 17 19:42:49 No. Its game.decorItems[index] Aug 17 19:43:07 I've read up on it. It should work Aug 17 19:43:13 I know its not a deep copy Aug 17 19:43:25 Which is what you're trying to explain Aug 17 19:43:29 var original = ['foo', 'bar']; var clone = original.clone(); clone[1] = 'changed'; // original[1] is still 'bar' Aug 17 19:43:33 right Aug 17 19:43:34 no deep copy Aug 17 19:44:18 Oh, I was trying to copy decorItems, not decorItems[index] Aug 17 19:44:36 Didn't think that quakified as deep copy Aug 17 19:44:37 well, wait Aug 17 19:45:03 I think you're right Aug 17 19:45:03 is decorItems the array or is it an object and decorItems[index] is the array? Aug 17 19:45:31 Its the array Aug 17 19:45:38 which? Aug 17 19:46:12 DecorItems is the array with elements that have subproperties Aug 17 19:46:34 okay, then you should be able to do decorItems.clone() Aug 17 19:46:41 So I need to copy the elements Aug 17 19:46:42 In a loop Aug 17 19:46:49 no Aug 17 19:47:00 Oh Aug 17 19:47:01 Doesn't work Aug 17 19:47:01 Comes out as 0 Aug 17 19:47:34 var clone = decorItems.clone(); should be correct if decorItems[0] returns something, for example Aug 17 19:48:17 There's no sub arrays which is what I thought qualified as a deep copy Aug 17 19:48:18 It should work axcording to examples unless I'm undestanding it improperly Aug 17 19:48:36 The array is definitely populated Aug 17 19:48:45 the only thing I can say is make sure decorItems is really an array and not an object that you are accessing with array syntax Aug 17 19:48:56 i'm bidding on a pixi plus dev device :) Aug 17 19:49:07 Its an array cause I .push things to it Aug 17 19:49:16 interesting Aug 17 19:49:47 which units are the 250 devices they're giving away to new devs? Aug 17 19:50:16 Sprint Pre....forces you to write leaner code ;) Aug 17 19:50:44 sales are quite low nowadays? Aug 17 19:51:20 and I wonder when my weekend submits going public... Aug 17 19:53:20 halfhalo: any hint on why the NODULES_PATH I set is using a literal ~ char? it's making a new dir named ~ in pwd which is definitely not what I want :D Aug 17 19:55:13 Because you suck? Is it in quotes? Cus it shouldn't Aug 17 19:55:30 * Anivrom|pre just fixed a bug using internalz Aug 17 19:55:34 no, I just edited the existing one Aug 17 19:55:39 didn't add anything but names Aug 17 19:55:47 herm... linux? Aug 17 19:55:50 yah Aug 17 19:56:03 hrm.... Aug 17 19:56:42 I have no idea yet Aug 17 19:57:06 I'll mess with it some more...so, assuming I get it working, I do: nodules lib/console.js Aug 17 19:57:08 Dekan: any ideas? Aug 17 19:57:09 listen it into a potato and try smashing the warm thing until it works Aug 17 19:57:09 ? as the next step? Aug 17 19:57:17 no, just ./nodules Aug 17 19:57:25 todwurst: who is giving away 250 devices to devs? Aug 17 19:57:28 it then runs lib/index.js Aug 17 19:57:39 hmmm, oh I need to look at the package file Aug 17 19:57:40 I see Aug 17 19:57:42 k Aug 17 19:58:14 eek, it's bombing on promise Aug 17 19:58:22 okay, more debugging Aug 17 19:58:26 lol Aug 17 20:00:40 halfhalo: one more qq...HOW do you make it load index.js? I'm not seeing anything which would lead me to that conclusion Aug 17 20:00:57 does it automagically Aug 17 20:01:01 ping metaview Aug 17 20:01:02 sources.json Aug 17 20:01:14 oil: :P Aug 17 20:01:16 swisstomcat: got an email from Palm Developer Relations about the community contest, and that devices would be free to those willing to commit to release/port apps by a certain date. Aug 17 20:01:34 halfhalo: is that a nodules thing, then...looks in lib for index.js and goes from there? Aug 17 20:01:44 yups Aug 17 20:01:47 seemed pretty cool, and the email address was legit, so I went for it :) Aug 17 20:01:48 sweet, thanks Aug 17 20:01:54 todwurst: care to forward that email? Aug 17 20:02:18 sure, shoot me a /msg with address Aug 17 20:02:52 thanks Aug 17 20:02:52 You're welcome, swisstomcat! Aug 17 20:03:03 dekan: go pound sand Aug 17 20:03:03 That is not bananas Aug 17 20:03:14 dekan: chuqui Aug 17 20:03:14 "LOOK, A PUPPY!!" Aug 17 20:03:31 ORLY Aug 17 20:03:59 dekan: go pound sand is sings "Days never enndiiiin'!" Aug 17 20:03:59 Okay, sugardave. Aug 17 20:04:19 dekan: go pound sand Aug 17 20:04:19 * dekan sings "Days never enndiiiin'!" Aug 17 20:05:35 * sugardave gives dekan the Hoe of Destruction Aug 17 20:05:36 * dekan is now carrying the Hoe of Destruction. Aug 17 20:05:52 yes? Aug 17 20:06:27 hi chuqui Aug 17 20:07:03 hi all Aug 17 20:07:09 hi MetaView! Aug 17 20:07:41 hey! Aug 17 20:09:12 will HP sell the next WebOS devices with there funny font? Aug 17 20:09:16 their Aug 17 20:09:26 hi Aug 17 20:09:30 I really like it, the one you can see in the ads Aug 17 20:09:50 I have a question can someone help me with that Aug 17 20:09:54 chuqi: palm is giving out free developer devices? was that announced? Aug 17 20:10:19 Oh, Oh, Oh, I want one! Aug 17 20:10:43 me too, but only a Pixi + Aug 17 20:10:51 same Aug 17 20:11:16 Is ther a USBnet driver for Windows 7 64-Bit edition Aug 17 20:11:52 the one on precentral and web-os Internals does not work Aug 17 20:13:00 I install the driver by specifying the location but I get error Aug 17 20:13:29 and the installation gives error code 10 Aug 17 20:14:07 robber: probably will have better luck in #webos-internals Aug 17 20:14:21 yay, just got a gsm pixi plus for eur 189 Aug 17 20:14:21 Dekan: make me a burger One $noun $noun $noun $noun burger w/ cheese coming right up! Aug 17 20:14:22 Okay, Anivrom|pre. Aug 17 20:14:32 Dekan: make me a burger Aug 17 20:14:32 dekan: make me a burger Aug 17 20:14:32 One wrench SDK beef salami burger w/ cheese coming right up! Aug 17 20:14:32 One Pixi factoid magic Sprint burger w/ cheese coming right up! Aug 17 20:14:41 no fries? Aug 17 20:14:45 you need adjectives Aug 17 20:15:11 Hahaha pixi factoid magic sprint burger. That sounds aeesome rofl Aug 17 20:15:24 I also tried another method mentioned on My Tether main page to use Microsoft Corp drivers that did not work either Aug 17 20:15:54 is ther anyone here using Windows 7 64-bit edition on palm pre usb Aug 17 20:16:28 can someone give me the link that shows the flow of the sdk mvc Aug 17 20:16:38 sugardave gave it out earlier but i lost it Aug 17 20:17:50 Dekan: make me a cheeseburger One $adjective $noun $noun $noun and $adjective $noun w/ cheese coming right up! Aug 17 20:17:51 Okay, Anivrom|pre. Aug 17 20:18:02 Dekan: make me a cheeseburger Aug 17 20:18:03 One tiny factoid galaxy tooth and shiny beef w/ cheese coming right up! Aug 17 20:18:15 hehe Aug 17 20:18:17 Bah Aug 17 20:18:21 Gayed it up Aug 17 20:18:31 acidjazz: you mean this one? http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1627&Itemid=43 Aug 17 20:19:30 graci sugardave Aug 17 20:19:39 np Aug 17 20:20:47 chuqui: how late is it in Sunnyvale now? Aug 17 20:21:02 jsut after lunch Aug 17 20:21:04 it is 1:20 PM in Sunnyvale Aug 17 20:21:19 botsnack Aug 17 20:21:19 * dekan nom nom nom Aug 17 20:22:17 ok, thx Aug 17 20:22:31 means I'm 9 hours ahead Aug 17 20:22:38 I thought it might be more Aug 17 20:22:39 correct Aug 17 20:22:56 9 hours is enough if you have to wait in the morning Aug 17 20:23:11 yes Aug 17 20:23:24 what is the state with the internal-read-only bug Aug 17 20:23:29 dekan: make me a cheeseburger Aug 17 20:23:29 One repulsive phone wrench C40 and sticky factoid w/ cheese coming right up! Aug 17 20:23:39 am I allowed to point customers to the Websointernals-fix? Aug 17 20:23:41 * maik pats dekan Aug 17 20:23:41 * dekan purrrrrrrrrr Aug 17 20:23:44 Anivrom|pre: well done Aug 17 20:24:57 * MetaView had a terrible meeting with a bee yesterday night - my finger hurts and the bee is dead Aug 17 20:26:07 ouch Aug 17 20:26:26 metaview: why wouldn't you be allowed to point customers to EFF? Aug 17 20:26:38 don't know Aug 17 20:26:38 Not a bloody clue, sir. Aug 17 20:26:42 helsy Aug 17 20:26:46 howdy Aug 17 20:26:49 as far as i know there's no official fix yet Aug 17 20:26:54 no Aug 17 20:27:08 EFF then or edit by hand Aug 17 20:27:09 but it stopped my current PDK project Aug 17 20:27:15 :( Aug 17 20:27:36 but as I need it for my own too, I will continue and see what happens Aug 17 20:27:48 it stopped wirc too Aug 17 20:27:51 made some fixes in spaz Aug 17 20:27:58 it stopped wirc? Aug 17 20:28:04 from working .. the bug Aug 17 20:28:10 hm, probably it also stops duke3d Aug 17 20:28:27 after editing fstab everything worked Aug 17 20:28:54 one would need it for duke3d too Aug 17 20:29:25 I can't do it from the code, right? Aug 17 20:29:36 given myself more previleges :) Aug 17 20:29:40 from your app you mean? Aug 17 20:29:53 good q Aug 17 20:29:58 yes, the executable Aug 17 20:30:14 how is EFF doing it? Aug 17 20:30:18 i assume you'd need a service for it Aug 17 20:30:23 that runs as root Aug 17 20:30:31 maybe Aug 17 20:39:04 goodn8 everyone Aug 17 20:39:16 gn8 Aug 17 20:39:29 night Aug 17 20:39:34 YAHTZEE Aug 17 20:42:17 Haha, companies name is "Pane in the Glass" Aug 17 20:42:22 Noice Aug 17 20:47:32 awesome name Aug 17 20:53:04 omg this is going to be awesome Aug 17 20:53:46 sugardave: what is? Aug 17 20:53:59 NoSQL dbs and node.js Aug 17 20:54:04 sugardave: yeah Aug 17 20:54:07 where at? Aug 17 20:54:10 your app? Aug 17 20:54:24 webOS can't run node.js....yet ;) Aug 17 20:54:38 I will play with it as a cloud server for my app in some capacity Aug 17 20:54:46 thats what I'm doing Aug 17 20:54:48 the real Mojo magic will happen when we can run node on the phone Aug 17 20:55:00 using journey as a front end Aug 17 20:55:23 what is journey? Aug 17 20:55:35 json web server Aug 17 20:55:49 neat-o Aug 17 20:55:58 cool Aug 17 20:56:08 I'm going to build this one from scratch, I think...helps me learn gooder Aug 17 20:56:09 i use apache old school =( Aug 17 20:56:16 but it works Aug 17 20:56:18 =) Aug 17 20:56:34 no, horrible idea Aug 17 20:56:41 journey lets you do it easy Aug 17 20:56:50 since requests is superfast Aug 17 20:56:56 but I want to learn how to do server/client creates, etc. Aug 17 20:57:08 you still do Aug 17 20:57:13 but with a layar on it Aug 17 20:57:29 I'm not sure I NEED the front end? Aug 17 20:57:41 my app is just going to hit my node script like any web service Aug 17 20:57:46 you do if you want to easily talk to clients Aug 17 20:57:56 and journey makes it easy for a REST web service Aug 17 20:58:11 alright rob Aug 17 20:58:28 AKA stuff like /register?blah=blah Aug 17 20:58:36 Robdor: I need to do what now to get this soil library into my project? Aug 17 20:58:39 oh...notneeded at this point Aug 17 20:58:49 just want to spew data Aug 17 20:59:03 Heh, I need your help on it Aug 17 20:59:11 but I see your point for fuller-featured web services Aug 17 20:59:48 halfhalo: only help I can offer so far is that I can't make Ajax.Request trigger the http listener in node :D Aug 17 20:59:54 XHR works Aug 17 21:00:10 alexfner: Build it as a static lib and #include SOIL.h in your app. You will also need to do -lSOIL at link time. Aug 17 21:00:12 and Ajax.Request will trigger tcp listeners...but not http Aug 17 21:00:14 it's odd Aug 17 21:00:47 Ok, I can go down a callback chain just fine now. But I need to run back up it Aug 17 21:01:30 hrm Aug 17 21:02:31 halfhalo: it might take me a couple of days to get up to enough speed to mimic what you're doing, but I'll get there :) Aug 17 21:02:47 halp me first though Aug 17 21:03:41 Robdor: going to have to figure out how to do that in xcode... Aug 17 21:04:06 is it realistic functionality to detect when a palm phone hits my website and prompt/offer them to install an app i wrote vs browisng the site? Aug 17 21:04:07 Yeah, I'm not sure how to set that all up in xcode. Aug 17 21:04:24 and to do this would my app have to be in the palm app market/store/etc ? Aug 17 21:04:35 that's what I mean...I don't know how to help you yet :D what I would do is try not to have to go back up the chain...if I've been passing along an object with each successive callback and updating it, then in the last callback I have everything I need... Aug 17 21:04:35 assuming i detect the phone via browser agent or something .. Aug 17 21:06:01 acidjazz: a link like this will redirect to the app catalog: http://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=com.gomlsoftware.ihavespirit.beta Aug 17 21:06:12 update accordingly with your own app ID Aug 17 21:06:26 and generally, yes, it should be in the catalog Aug 17 21:07:09 Robdor: is this a am I building a static or dynamic library? Aug 17 21:07:46 Static. I'm not sure if palm allows dynamic libs. Aug 17 21:08:09 sugardave: what if i jsut tried to point them to the actual ipk itself? will the phone attempt to download/install Aug 17 21:08:19 alexfner: I seem to remember unwiredben saying that in the forums, but I could be wrong. Aug 17 21:08:19 no Aug 17 21:08:31 sugardave: except that I can't just call another function and have that return it. Aug 17 21:08:40 what apps in the app catalog are using AdMob that you know of? Aug 17 21:09:03 edektor: checkers by kesne Aug 17 21:09:09 halfhalo: but you could call a function that expects the fully fleshed out object as the finally final callback Aug 17 21:09:13 thanks Aug 17 21:09:13 You're welcome, edektor! Aug 17 21:09:19 and does whatever from there Aug 17 21:09:35 edektor: radiotime also Aug 17 21:09:59 maptool Aug 17 21:10:05 halfhalo: I want to get some semblance of something working and then I can talk better about it Aug 17 21:10:22 Yes, but I need to pass the result of the function up a layer Aug 17 21:10:30 Anybody in here have experience with the AdMob SDK? Aug 17 21:10:47 edektor: a little Aug 17 21:11:27 * Anivrom|pre is listening to an allstar amazing turkish band Aug 17 21:11:30 Well I request a new ad every 30 seconds but it fails the first 5-6 requests then finally gets an ad Aug 17 21:11:30 well, not more then using it Aug 17 21:11:36 edektor: normal Aug 17 21:11:39 that's normal Aug 17 21:11:42 webOS inventory is low Aug 17 21:11:45 Lol Aug 17 21:11:54 ahh.. I see Aug 17 21:12:02 Fail Aug 17 21:12:03 just add your own internal adds Aug 17 21:12:12 They should say that somewhere Aug 17 21:12:12 this will fill when there are no ads Aug 17 21:12:34 thanks alot! Aug 17 21:12:46 I had no idea what was going on Aug 17 21:13:04 do library files go in /res/ or the folder where the .cpp is located? Aug 17 21:16:31 halfhalo: ah, I think I understand now...not sure if you're going to be able to var boolean = resultOfThisAsynchronousCallBackChainOfIncredibleLength(); Aug 17 21:16:38 you may need to re-think the flow Aug 17 21:17:02 I really Really Really Want to be able to though Aug 17 21:17:08 well yeah Aug 17 21:17:17 and I want my money-farting unicorn Aug 17 21:17:22 but I don't have it Aug 17 21:17:32 puh Aug 17 21:18:20 lol Aug 17 21:20:32 Woot home now Aug 17 21:23:39 Robdor: I appreciate all your help. Is it -libSOIL or -lSOIL ? Aug 17 21:23:45 welcome home Aug 17 21:24:05 -l Aug 17 21:24:34 alexfner: It's no problem. The lib call is -lSOIL Aug 17 21:25:48 You will also need to make sure that your texture sizes are a power of 2, otherwise they will look grainy and distorted. It's an odd OpenGL requirement. Aug 17 21:25:59 sugardave: I think I may be able to use an event handler, assuming that each different object spawned has its events emmited jailed Aug 17 21:27:25 halfhalo: what about modeling it thusly: http://webos.pastebin.com/Bgj0bp3u Aug 17 21:27:31 that's missing some things Aug 17 21:27:48 you can make it more robust by adding callback support for the checkUsername function, etc. Aug 17 21:27:55 Nah, even simpler than that Aug 17 21:28:19 While you can't listen to events from the same module, you can from different modules/layers Aug 17 21:28:31 interesting Aug 17 21:28:33 http://wtfjs.com/ lol js Aug 17 21:31:38 * alexfner is having a hard time linking this library Aug 17 21:32:31 alexfner: Are you getting errors? Aug 17 21:32:42 no, I am just not doing it successfully Aug 17 21:32:51 Anivrom|lolwut? Aug 17 21:32:54 oops Aug 17 21:33:01 I mean, I get errors when I try to compile my project Aug 17 21:33:07 it says -lSOIL not found Aug 17 21:33:43 Are you also doing -L/path/to/where/soil/lib/is? Aug 17 21:33:52 hahaha Aug 17 21:33:54 niuce Aug 17 21:33:56 hrm, no Aug 17 21:34:02 I suppose I should be? Aug 17 21:34:31 Yeah, I stick my libs in a build directory so I do stuff like: -L./build -lSOIL etc... Aug 17 21:35:09 http://crockfordfacts.com/MHDTvKwy3xGzI183Akuh_Q Aug 17 21:35:46 hahaha Aug 17 21:36:07 rofl Aug 17 21:37:21 is this another chuck norris-esque bandwagon? Aug 17 21:38:15 yes Aug 17 21:38:29 just geekier Aug 17 21:38:29 hahaha Aug 17 21:38:34 noice Aug 17 21:38:38 cant have enough geek Aug 17 21:39:41 * alexfner going to throw Xcode out the window Aug 17 21:40:05 Crockford stores his JSON in an actual Couch Aug 17 21:41:24 up Aug 17 21:41:52 dekan: what time is it? Aug 17 21:41:52 ADVENTURE TIME Aug 17 21:41:56 YAY Aug 17 21:42:00 dekan: go north Aug 17 21:42:01 sugardave: you are on a hillside, there are statues pointing to th. There are exits to the west and south Aug 17 21:42:15 dekan: go west Aug 17 21:42:15 sugardave: you are in a courtyard, it is dark. There are exits to the north and east Aug 17 21:42:34 dekan: go east Aug 17 21:42:34 sugardave: you are on a road, you hear a strange noise nearby. There are exits to the south and west Aug 17 21:42:46 I hate random maps Aug 17 21:42:52 well so much for my buildasearch service... yahoo boss search will be charging in the near future Aug 17 21:42:59 dekan: go up Aug 17 21:42:59 I do not know. Aug 17 21:43:03 FAIL Aug 17 21:43:10 dekan:go southwest Aug 17 21:43:10 I do not know. Aug 17 21:43:19 :p Aug 17 21:43:37 dekan: look Aug 17 21:43:37 A thousand apologies, effendi, but I do not understand. Aug 17 21:43:43 wait, what? What device is trying to connect Aug 17 21:43:47 Robdor: tried -L./-lSOIL Aug 17 21:44:00 Robdor: says -lSOIL not found Aug 17 21:44:12 Robdor: but I definitely put the library in there... so Idk Aug 17 21:44:43 Douglas Corckford can have full conversations using only javascript's reserved words. Aug 17 21:45:52 Douglas Crockford transcends the global scope. ....l..m...a...o. Aug 17 21:45:58 :p Aug 17 21:46:06 God, I love Javascript Aug 17 21:46:14 I know, my son. Aug 17 21:46:40 i'm reading crockford's ideas about dieting Aug 17 21:46:45 www.crockford.com/pwl/ Aug 17 21:46:46 alexfner: Is your lib called libSOIL.a? Aug 17 21:46:51 More JS, Less crap? Aug 17 21:47:01 close Aug 17 21:47:01 haha Aug 17 21:47:52 Everytime Douglas Crockford blinks his eyes, another IE6 instance is killed. Aug 17 21:48:04 Robdor: yeah Aug 17 21:48:16 and there is much rejoicing Aug 17 21:48:42 Yup Aug 17 21:48:48 I no longer support IE Aug 17 21:48:51 AT ALLZ Aug 17 21:49:48 omg are you kidding me? Aug 17 21:49:50 Douglas Crockford uses IEEE 754 to calculate tips in his head. Aug 17 21:49:59 they dont support us so why should we support them Aug 17 21:50:15 I had no idea you could just whip up a web page and go to town with some JSON and make your db Aug 17 21:50:19 what the hell? Aug 17 21:50:23 yeah Aug 17 21:50:27 YEAH BOI Aug 17 21:50:42 man I wish I had paid attention about 10 months ago :P Aug 17 21:50:49 lol Aug 17 21:51:07 * alexfner is off to do *things* Aug 17 21:54:07 Douglas Crockford's roundhouse kick has no rounding errors. Aug 17 21:55:33 ha ha ha ha Aug 17 21:57:53 what can i use instead of "event.target.id" Aug 17 21:58:20 For.....? Aug 17 21:59:03 event.victim.id? Aug 17 21:59:33 ok so when I lookup daemon in the dictionary it says its another word for demon, yet in the computer world it means something totally different Aug 17 22:00:18 No, No its not Aug 17 22:00:22 its exactly the same Aug 17 22:00:33 daemon tools? background daemon process in linux? Aug 17 22:00:37 tibfib & halfhalo on Flick need to get the element ID Aug 17 22:00:46 which one? Aug 17 22:00:53 event.original.id Aug 17 22:01:16 Anivrom|lolwut: Daemon = FreeBSD Aug 17 22:01:20 LoneStar99: Object.toJSON the event and see what it comes up with Aug 17 22:01:40 Its ALL EVIL Aug 17 22:01:48 LoneStar99: http://ares.palm.com/AresDebug/ Aug 17 22:01:55 love evil Aug 17 22:01:57 run your app in there, set a breakpoint and examine the dom Aug 17 22:02:05 dom/json Aug 17 22:02:34 Anivrom|lolwut: ok thanks Aug 17 22:02:36 * pandora-- waves Aug 17 22:02:40 pandora! Aug 17 22:03:09 :) Aug 17 22:06:53 no Aug 17 22:06:57 its oil Aug 17 22:06:59 crap Aug 17 22:07:01 BOO! Aug 17 22:07:27 AHHHH Aug 17 22:07:29 dekan: oil Back to the GULF from whence you came!!! Aug 17 22:07:29 Okay, Anivrom|lolwut. Aug 17 22:07:31 oil Aug 17 22:07:48 dekan: oil Aug 17 22:07:48 Back to the GULF from whence you came!!! Aug 17 22:08:05 :p Aug 17 22:08:07 dekan: make me a burger Aug 17 22:08:08 One idea factoid shirt battery burger w/ cheese coming right up! Aug 17 22:08:16 sweet thanks dekan Aug 17 22:08:21 * Anivrom|lolwut nom nom no Aug 17 22:08:25 ..m.. Aug 17 22:08:42 haha Aug 17 22:09:14 dekan: make me a burger Aug 17 22:09:15 One mindjail emulator Sprint tooth burger w/ cheese coming right up! Aug 17 22:09:17 maik: how do I erase a factiod Aug 17 22:09:24 mmm sounds good Aug 17 22:09:28 can't have enough tooth Aug 17 22:09:41 none of you could have mentioned this to me? you know I did write that crap that treats sqlite schema like JSON :P "Hey Dave, this is pretty cool and way better than yours" would have been good Aug 17 22:09:42 which one? Aug 17 22:09:45 dekan: forget make me a burger Aug 17 22:09:45 Not a bloody clue, sir. Aug 17 22:10:07 hah Aug 17 22:10:13 that one and the cheeseburger Aug 17 22:10:18 oil doesn't come from the gulf Aug 17 22:10:23 its in the ground Aug 17 22:10:25 dekan: oil Aug 17 22:10:26 Back to the GULF from whence you came!!! Aug 17 22:10:36 dekan:docs Aug 17 22:10:36 My documentation is at: http://wiki.xkcd.com/irc/Bucket Aug 17 22:11:21 anyone have an idea why "event.target.id" does not capture anything with a flick? I get coordinates of flick but not element ID Aug 17 22:11:27 dekan: delete make me a burger Aug 17 22:11:27 UNCAUGHT EXCEPTION: TERMINATING Aug 17 22:11:33 dekan: delete make me a burger Aug 17 22:11:34 Okay, maik, 1 factoid deleted. Aug 17 22:11:42 he doesn't like deleting things for non-ops Aug 17 22:11:45 cheeseburger too Aug 17 22:11:46 please Aug 17 22:11:47 LoneStar99: try event.currentTarget.id or inspect event and see what else is in there Aug 17 22:11:48 not really sure why, but i assume it's a good thing Aug 17 22:11:56 Anivrom|lolwut: do you want to just change it? Aug 17 22:12:18 is it possible to browse the beta feed on the Pre? Aug 17 22:12:25 (vs. the web, and send an sms to the phone) Aug 17 22:12:26 preware? Aug 17 22:12:28 through one of the beta apps Aug 17 22:12:29 pandora--: if you send yourself the link Aug 17 22:12:38 or preware will take you there Aug 17 22:12:41 (one of the apps that lists the beta feed) Aug 17 22:12:46 sugardave: i don't have service on my pre, just wifi Aug 17 22:12:56 you can send the web link Aug 17 22:12:59 the redirect one Aug 17 22:13:01 maik: can you delete that Aug 17 22:13:03 I'll change it Aug 17 22:13:07 oh Aug 17 22:13:08 I'll create a new one Aug 17 22:13:08 I see Aug 17 22:13:10 sugardave: ok will try it out Aug 17 22:13:14 you'd have to use gmail or something Aug 17 22:13:34 hrm Aug 17 22:13:41 if you just want to change a factoid do this: factoid =~ s/what you want changed/what you want to change to/ Aug 17 22:13:45 not sure how i can install beta apps with just wifi Aug 17 22:13:48 ideas? Aug 17 22:13:59 for instance: dekan: foo =~ s/bar/baz/ Aug 17 22:14:15 oh with no service? doesn't it check carrier restrictions when you go to the app catalog? Aug 17 22:14:16 dekan: ~ s/make me a cheeseburger/make me a cheeseburger One $adjective $noun $noun $noun $noun burger w/ cheese comin' right up! (no charge for the $adjective fries *wink*) Aug 17 22:14:17 Okay, Anivrom|lolwut. Aug 17 22:14:24 dekan: make me a cheeseburger Aug 17 22:14:25 One spooky magic emulator comic and squishy salami w/ cheese coming right up! Aug 17 22:14:31 didnt work maik Aug 17 22:14:41 you didn't do it right Aug 17 22:14:47 make me a cheeseburger =~ s/ ... Aug 17 22:14:55 trailing / Aug 17 22:14:59 sudo make me a cheeseburger Aug 17 22:15:12 * maik makes Mousey into a cheeseburger Aug 17 22:15:26 tada! Aug 17 22:15:27 dekan: make me a cheeseburger =~ s/make me a cheeseburger/make me a cheeseburger One $adjective $noun $noun $noun $noun burger w/ cheese comin' right up! (no charge for the $adjective fries *wink*) Aug 17 22:15:27 Okay, Anivrom|lolwut. Aug 17 22:15:28 ok, this isn't as fun as i expected it would be Aug 17 22:15:46 dekan: make me a cheeseburger Aug 17 22:15:46 One moldy cake SDK magic and repulsive wrench w/ cheese coming right up! Aug 17 22:15:50 fail Aug 17 22:15:54 maik.. just delete the bloody factiod Aug 17 22:15:54 good god, epic failure Aug 17 22:15:58 Anivrom|lolwut: n00b Aug 17 22:15:59 you need to escape w\/ Aug 17 22:16:01 and add a / Aug 17 22:16:03 to the end Aug 17 22:16:07 and you aren't s/'ing the trigger Aug 17 22:16:08 man, i'm stuffed Aug 17 22:16:12 as I said 'trailing /' Aug 17 22:16:17 dekan: delete make me a cheeseburger Aug 17 22:16:17 Okay, maik, 1 factoid deleted. Aug 17 22:16:20 dekan: ignore Anivrom|lolwut Aug 17 22:16:20 Okay, maik. Ignore list updated. Aug 17 22:16:24 hahaha Aug 17 22:16:25 lol Aug 17 22:16:27 :p Aug 17 22:16:27 n00b Aug 17 22:16:28 sugardave: nope, i can use the regular app catalog via wifi with no problems Aug 17 22:16:30 :) Aug 17 22:16:39 of course you do that AFTER he adds a thing for my nick Aug 17 22:16:40 dekan: make me a cheeseburger One $adjective $noun $noun $noun $noun burger w/ cheese comin' right up! (no charge for the $adjective fries *wink*) Aug 17 22:16:41 pandora--: oh, then you just need a redirect link Aug 17 22:16:56 grrr Aug 17 22:16:56 when pre web browser goes, it will launch to the beta feed Aug 17 22:16:57 sugardave: i just can't use the "send to phone" feature of the beta apps page, i think Aug 17 22:17:02 right Aug 17 22:17:12 Anivrom|lolwut: change your nick? Aug 17 22:17:20 dekan: make me a cheeseburger One $adjective $noun $noun $noun $noun burger w/ cheese comin' right up! (no charge for the $adjective fries *wink*) Aug 17 22:17:21 Okay, Anivrom. Aug 17 22:17:21 i don't think he saw Aug 17 22:17:23 haha Aug 17 22:17:25 I saw Aug 17 22:17:25 ooh, stupid bot Aug 17 22:17:28 Contrary to his own assertion, Javascript's Global Object does have a name: Douglas Crockford. Aug 17 22:17:30 Tibfib: thanks Aug 17 22:17:30 You're welcome, Anivrom! Aug 17 22:17:34 dekan: stop ignoring Anivrom|lolwut Aug 17 22:17:34 I'm sorry, there's currently nothing associated with that keyphrase. Aug 17 22:17:38 dekan: make me a cheeseburger Aug 17 22:17:38 pandora--: http://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=com.pandorasapp.id Aug 17 22:17:38 One spicy magic idea SDK galaxy burger w/ cheese comin' right up! (no charge for the smelly fries *wink*) Aug 17 22:17:38 botsmack Aug 17 22:17:38 * dekan dodges your attack and strikes you with ***EVISCERATING*** brutality. You have died. Aug 17 22:17:39 dekan: botsmack Aug 17 22:17:39 * dekan dodges your attack and parries with dekan. Aug 17 22:17:47 >.< Aug 17 22:17:48 should take you to it Aug 17 22:17:51 hahaha @ smelly friees Aug 17 22:17:52 with the right app id Aug 17 22:18:31 sugardave: ah yeah you're right Aug 17 22:18:35 that works Aug 17 22:18:36 make me a sandwich Aug 17 22:18:37 * dekan makes a sandwich with lots of comic and device. Aug 17 22:18:43 lame Aug 17 22:18:44 see that Anivrom? Aug 17 22:18:48 make me a samich Aug 17 22:18:49 right AGAIN Aug 17 22:18:51 :P Aug 17 22:18:56 lol Aug 17 22:19:05 * Anivrom sugardave is my arch-nemisis Aug 17 22:19:06 make me a sandwich Aug 17 22:19:06 * dekan walks a sandwich with lots of device and galaxy. Aug 17 22:19:09 i just didn't think to try browsing the precentral beta gallery from my phone Aug 17 22:19:09 haha Aug 17 22:19:21 dekan: die in a fire Aug 17 22:19:21 Oh yea? Why don't I throw your cerulean colored elbow into a fire! Aug 17 22:19:22 that works too Aug 17 22:19:37 dekan: shut up for a bit Aug 17 22:19:37 Okay, Tibfib - be back in a bit! Aug 17 22:19:41 * Anivrom is finishing off this beer Aug 17 22:19:45 \o/ Aug 17 22:19:51 that explains somewhat Aug 17 22:20:31 rawr Aug 17 22:20:34 dekan: oilk Aug 17 22:20:37 phail Aug 17 22:21:54 how in the app flow does the app know like which is the front page Aug 17 22:22:05 is it the top js file in sources.json? the setup function in that or something? Aug 17 22:22:14 its called a scene stack Aug 17 22:22:25 so then the 1st scene.. Aug 17 22:22:25 whatever scene you push last is ontop Aug 17 22:22:30 whatever you pop gets removed Aug 17 22:22:32 the top js file in sources.json is the first .js file loaded Aug 17 22:22:34 from top Aug 17 22:22:36 the last listed scene in sources.json ? Aug 17 22:22:41 okie Aug 17 22:22:48 the order there has nothing to do with execution order Aug 17 22:23:04 right last scene in sources gets put on top Aug 17 22:23:11 so in stylematters sources.json i see "source": "javascripts/css-tools.js" Aug 17 22:23:13 as the top Aug 17 22:23:19 thats not a scene Aug 17 22:23:20 oh last scene? Aug 17 22:23:36 what is a scene then exactly Aug 17 22:23:40 The sources.json gets executed from top to bottom Aug 17 22:23:51 first source loaded first Aug 17 22:24:02 so you can reference things above cuase they are loaded Aug 17 22:24:06 right Aug 17 22:24:08 preload stuff Aug 17 22:24:08 Anivrom: is going crazy, we may need to put it down Aug 17 22:24:09 acidjazz: a scene will usually have an assistant file like: main-assistant.js Aug 17 22:24:22 possibly Aug 17 22:24:24 "source": "javascripts/orientation-handler-assistant.js" Aug 17 22:24:30 that looks like the 1st assistant loaded for stylematters Aug 17 22:24:36 right Aug 17 22:24:44 stylematters is a bad example app Aug 17 22:24:45 lol Aug 17 22:24:53 so you can ref things outside the constructor anytime after that Aug 17 22:24:58 whats a good example app oilsworkn ? Aug 17 22:25:03 wIRC Aug 17 22:25:04 not that app, lol Aug 17 22:25:06 waits for wirc plug Aug 17 22:25:10 haha Aug 17 22:25:15 i dont need to, you both already did Aug 17 22:25:21 though, i make no claims to know the best way to do things Aug 17 22:25:23 you're welcome Aug 17 22:25:23 i just go with what works Aug 17 22:25:33 no i mean something like a template Aug 17 22:25:38 the hello_app is too small Aug 17 22:25:51 i need a sample app that shows how to get to other scenes etc Aug 17 22:25:55 just so i can understand the flow more Aug 17 22:26:18 pushScene() is how you get to another scene Aug 17 22:26:48 im writing an app that has a list of things pulled from ajax.. each element will go to a detailed page of that element Aug 17 22:26:53 i have the listing done Aug 17 22:26:56 the ajax done Aug 17 22:27:04 now i need to write the detailed page Aug 17 22:27:12 i see this LightWeightApplication Aug 17 22:27:15 this a good example? Aug 17 22:27:53 * oilsworkn doesn't remember that app Aug 17 22:28:00 acidjazz, google practical palm webos projects Aug 17 22:28:04 google books Aug 17 22:28:07 thats a great reference Aug 17 22:28:16 or w/e its called Aug 17 22:28:19 oof Aug 17 22:28:24 it goes through many sample apps Aug 17 22:29:12 i dont neccessarily need a book.. just a good sample app to reverse engineer and im good Aug 17 22:29:35 books are filled with sample apps Aug 17 22:29:53 and lots of tips what reverse engineering wont tell you Aug 17 22:30:23 books are for readers. Aug 17 22:30:33 <- tinkerer Aug 17 22:30:33 chuqui: still around? Aug 17 22:30:37 ive gotten pretty far already Aug 17 22:30:47 i just want your guys' opinion of a sample app structured correctly Aug 17 22:30:49 <-- tinkerer too, just like to know the details Aug 17 22:30:57 so that i reverse engineer what you guys think was done right Aug 17 22:31:06 i dont even have enough time for this book to arrive :) Aug 17 22:31:09 its hard to go wrong with pushing scenes lol Aug 17 22:31:16 Acidjazz... I told you its online Aug 17 22:31:17 no i understand that Anivrom Aug 17 22:31:18 google books Aug 17 22:31:27 pdk Aug 17 22:31:29 pdf Aug 17 22:31:29 i more mean the style of the app Aug 17 22:31:30 * Aug 17 22:31:32 on a preference level Aug 17 22:31:36 -_- Aug 17 22:31:49 oh http://books.google.com/books?id=F8ZbVQcypwcC&printsec=frontcover&dq=practical+palm+webos+projects&source=bl&ots=6rgaDwIRk-&sig=TTRohzyGvQPXLxE5g7JI8TA9GsA&hl=en&ei=pA1rTMucCMG78gbBx5W8AQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CCoQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q&f=false Aug 17 22:31:53 haeffb: maaaaybeeee.... Aug 17 22:31:53 cool Aug 17 22:33:04 chuqui: I'm drafting the email on runTextIndexer issue and will send shortly. Aug 17 22:33:50 haeffb: cool. Aug 17 22:33:58 haeffb: thanks! Aug 17 22:33:58 You're welcome, chuqui! Aug 17 22:34:08 botsnack Aug 17 22:34:08 * dekan nom nom nom Aug 17 22:34:25 chuqui: you guys onto DoctoH ? Aug 17 22:34:33 chuqui: and that thing we were discussing...I put the envelope where you suggested, but slightly to the left (it was poking out a little) Aug 17 22:34:56 haha sugardave: I found it anywyas Aug 17 22:34:56 sugardave: appreciate it. Aug 17 22:34:59 the monies is miinnnnee Aug 17 22:44:24 * kesne is back Aug 17 22:44:26 Anivrom: Sup Aug 17 22:45:36 clear to close ;D gotta call my agent tomorrow morning to setup a closing date, their hoping for friday if we can arrange it with the title company and the listing company Aug 17 22:46:20 redid my pdk app after i broke it yesterday, its super basic but eats tons of memory over time, no idea why or where Aug 17 22:51:33 haeffb: got your email. glanced at it. will read it in detail later. thanks. Aug 17 22:51:56 no, thank you! Aug 17 22:58:38 chuqui: how long will the dev portal be down? Aug 17 22:58:48 I'm told no more than an hour Aug 17 22:58:56 mmkay Aug 17 22:59:07 thanks Aug 17 22:59:07 You're welcome, Tibfib! Aug 17 23:02:45 guess ill round out those corners for that guy... Aug 17 23:04:50 not sure if I'll be able to get mongo or couch running on my webhost...that's a bummer :S Aug 17 23:06:18 chuqui: Why are they taking the dev portal down? Aug 17 23:06:25 sugardave: Why not? Aug 17 23:07:13 kesne: to do stuff to it. Aug 17 23:07:17 I probably can....maybe Aug 17 23:07:57 chuqui: Okay. Was just making sure it wasn't for fun. Aug 17 23:08:13 sugardave: mongo is the db thing, right? With JSON and easier find statements and stuff Aug 17 23:08:34 chuqui: i hope you're making it so it remembers who i am when i return :) Aug 17 23:08:57 kesne: yeah, and looks like couchdb is the same type of thing Aug 17 23:09:03 * oilsworkn hates having to log in each time Aug 17 23:09:27 oilsworkn: it's a ploy to get you to return more often.. Aug 17 23:09:35 o.o Aug 17 23:10:18 oilsworkn: log into what? Aug 17 23:10:34 the devportal Aug 17 23:10:38 right Aug 17 23:11:59 sugardave: Ah alright. Is it nosql? Aug 17 23:12:07 yeah Aug 17 23:12:34 couchdb wants me to have erlang, spidermonkey, a whole bunch of stuff Aug 17 23:12:41 each thing adds to potential failure Aug 17 23:16:53 adios all Aug 17 23:17:13 ~where can i find a simple scrimmer widget example Aug 17 23:18:10 I'm to sexy for my shirt Aug 17 23:18:29 halfhalo: dont lie Aug 17 23:18:43 I'm not, and my brothers can't deny Aug 17 23:19:51 man i love webos101 Aug 17 23:20:09 what I love is illegal in 12 states Aug 17 23:20:27 smoking indoors? Aug 17 23:20:32 No Aug 17 23:20:40 oh the other thing Aug 17 23:20:41 I need an hdmi switch Aug 17 23:20:46 and a long ethernet cord Aug 17 23:21:04 and some bubble wrap? Aug 17 23:21:13 yup Aug 17 23:21:23 and some shovels Aug 17 23:21:37 weird al - white and nerdy Aug 17 23:21:42 bubble wrap reference Aug 17 23:21:49 hola folks Aug 17 23:21:55 its been awhile Aug 17 23:21:56 shh he's here Aug 17 23:22:29 hiya BigBiff__ Aug 17 23:22:43 well hello there sugardave Aug 17 23:22:57 hows the coding Aug 17 23:23:14 was gonna ask you the same question Aug 17 23:23:18 sketchy as ever Aug 17 23:23:40 luckily im an artist, so sketchy is a sinch Aug 17 23:23:45 Rahul Sood wants StarGazer or whatever it's called on webOS Aug 17 23:23:51 no webos code for me in awhile - been working on my class wiki Aug 17 23:24:04 writing a text book basically Aug 17 23:24:13 'fun'? Aug 17 23:25:05 I dont code Aug 17 23:25:10 I just pretend i do Aug 17 23:25:16 halfhalo: we know Aug 17 23:25:24 :p Aug 17 23:25:25 haha Aug 17 23:25:37 'fun' Aug 17 23:25:44 Oh, hey, kane and lynch 2 is out Aug 17 23:25:49 AND its on onlive Aug 17 23:25:51 Sweeet Aug 17 23:25:56 "fun"? Aug 17 23:26:06 been learnin alot of jquery Aug 17 23:26:18 everyone needs to go buy borderlands off of steam Aug 17 23:26:19 j"queer"y? Aug 17 23:26:28 heh, i like it Aug 17 23:27:41 last steam game i had was counterstrike Aug 17 23:28:19 Its a great platform Aug 17 23:28:23 css ftw Aug 17 23:28:36 i loved counterstrike Aug 17 23:28:50 css and ftw do not belong together in a sentence Aug 17 23:29:02 had to quit playin when my daughter was old enough to start watchin me play Aug 17 23:29:05 Tibfib: stuff it Aug 17 23:29:18 dont you have an email to open? Aug 17 23:29:23 hehe Aug 17 23:29:24 css is awesome: http://www.zazzle.com/css_is_awesome_mug-168716435071981928 Aug 17 23:29:27 Hey! nice Aug 17 23:30:45 position: absolute - always Aug 17 23:30:56 always Aug 17 23:31:15 no exception Aug 17 23:31:22 dekan, css is awesome http://www.zazzle.com/css_is_awesome_mug-168716435071981928 Aug 17 23:31:22 Okay, Tibfib. Aug 17 23:31:29 css is awesome Aug 17 23:31:29 http://www.zazzle.com/css_is_awesome_mug-168716435071981928 Aug 17 23:31:34 scoobysnack Aug 17 23:31:34 Scoobydoobeedoo! Aug 17 23:31:45 someone give me some good webos news - i'm behind the times Aug 17 23:31:58 tablet? phone? Aug 17 23:32:06 BigBiff__: I disagree, position: fixed works well for me in strategic places Aug 17 23:32:16 pre2 coming out october on verizon. Aug 17 23:32:19 dekan: fight Aug 17 23:32:19 Fight, Fight, Fight, Fight! Aug 17 23:32:22 absolute, always Aug 17 23:32:36 "race war!" Aug 17 23:32:44 absolute(ly) always Aug 17 23:32:50 rimshot Aug 17 23:32:51 rimshot is http://instantrimshot.com/classic/?sound=rimshot Aug 17 23:32:51 har har Aug 17 23:32:59 dekan: forget that Aug 17 23:32:59 I cannot access that data. Aug 17 23:33:02 dekan: delete that Aug 17 23:33:03 Error 42: Factoid not in database. Please contact administrator of current universe. Aug 17 23:33:09 dekan: delete rimshot Aug 17 23:33:10 UNCAUGHT EXCEPTION: TERMINATING Aug 17 23:33:12 botsmack! Aug 17 23:33:13 * dekan dodges your attack and strikes you with ***EVISCERATING*** brutality. You have died. Aug 17 23:33:14 need admin Aug 17 23:33:23 * Tibfib smacks dekan Aug 17 23:33:41 dekan: make me a cheeseburger Aug 17 23:33:41 One hot cake Sprint Mojo galaxy burger w/ cheese comin' right up! (no charge for the hairless fries *wink*) Aug 17 23:33:57 http://www.themoneytimes.com/featured/20100817/justin-bieber-uses-twitter-take-revenge-teen-id-10124782.html Aug 17 23:33:59 haha the fries are awesome Aug 17 23:34:05 someone got pwned Aug 17 23:35:03 dekan: make me a cheeseburger Aug 17 23:35:04 One fast shirt device bacon comic burger w/ cheese comin' right up! (no charge for the shiny fries *wink*) Aug 17 23:35:32 gotta love the bacon and extra shine Aug 17 23:36:01 dawm__: lol Aug 17 23:37:06 hey Aug 17 23:37:12 HEY Aug 17 23:37:12 if an app is web distribution Aug 17 23:37:18 Nyceane: did you win that contest? Aug 17 23:37:19 can I still see it in app catalog? Aug 17 23:37:34 Tibfib, they are announcing it in Sept =( Aug 17 23:37:38 no Aug 17 23:37:42 Ah, that sucks Aug 17 23:37:45 only app cat is in the app cat Aug 17 23:37:49 web and beta are not Aug 17 23:37:50 Nyceane: depends what you mean Aug 17 23:38:04 dawm, how do i get web app from another app then? Aug 17 23:38:13 huh Aug 17 23:38:26 you use the app url on device to pull it up in the app catalog Aug 17 23:38:38 it is not browsable/searchable via the app cat tho Aug 17 23:38:40 if I want to link another web app from my application, I am wondering what should I do Aug 17 23:38:47 You can do that Aug 17 23:38:49 if its not in app cat but in web distribution Aug 17 23:38:49 use the URL Aug 17 23:38:55 ok Aug 17 23:39:07 on the device, the app url opens the app cat Aug 17 23:39:15 and points to the web/beta app Aug 17 23:39:15 finished 2nd beer Aug 17 23:39:18 no more beer Aug 17 23:39:20 oh ok =) Aug 17 23:39:22 thanks Aug 17 23:39:22 You're welcome, Nyceane! Aug 17 23:39:22 * Anivrom finished 2nd beer Aug 17 23:39:29 ugh Aug 17 23:39:30 web apps = green bg, beta apps = grey bg, app cat apps = blue bg Aug 17 23:39:36 murphy is such an asshole Aug 17 23:39:37 you can go in the browser and type in the url Aug 17 23:39:44 it will open app cat directly to that app Aug 17 23:39:45 everything went wrong today making a bedside table Aug 17 23:39:53 Anivrom: those corners aren't rounded enough :/ Aug 17 23:40:06 lies Aug 17 23:40:23 Nyceane: if you want put in http://bit.ly/ringwherebeta on the device Aug 17 23:40:31 that will point to a beta app Aug 17 23:40:42 not available Aug 17 23:40:56 whoa wtf Aug 17 23:41:04 oh yeah Aug 17 23:41:17 its -beta Aug 17 23:41:26 http://bit.ly/ringwhere-beta Aug 17 23:42:03 hmmmmm, palm-dark is much better looking than the normal theme Aug 17 23:43:42 Tibfib: YOU GOT MAIL!!!!! Aug 17 23:44:00 Anivrom: heh, checking em out, I think they'll work Aug 17 23:44:02 :) Aug 17 23:44:08 dont think... know Aug 17 23:45:13 i wish coke would have replied even if it was a form mail, regarding my coke rewards app Aug 17 23:45:43 they dont have time for peasants like you dawm Aug 17 23:45:52 they are a megacorp Aug 17 23:46:08 lol Aug 17 23:46:15 8000 unique installs Aug 17 23:46:42 pfft coke installs their sweet nectar in the stomachs of MILLIONS EVERY DAY Aug 17 23:47:07 maybe because im using unpublished apis to their server ? ;p Aug 17 23:47:30 Anivrom: a couple more pixels? :) Aug 17 23:47:38 ... Aug 17 23:47:41 ............ Aug 17 23:47:44 ....................................... Aug 17 23:47:52 http://www.zazzle.com/css_ninja_style_class_tshirt-235091799113607617 Aug 17 23:47:52 Check out the images you rounded out earlier, I need them to have hte same rounding Aug 17 23:48:11 Why does the ninja class have a font color if the visibility is hiden anyways? Aug 17 23:48:17 Anivrom: please? Aug 17 23:48:46 kesne, you can still have color Aug 17 23:48:53 visibility isnt invisible Aug 17 23:49:04 if i put a red pen in a drawer, its still red, and its hidden Aug 17 23:49:13 Yeah Aug 17 23:49:20 dawm|laptop: pro-logic Aug 17 23:49:26 but why would a ninja class have a font color anyways? Aug 17 23:49:37 And why black? Aug 17 23:49:39 ninjas are black Aug 17 23:49:55 dont be racist kesne Aug 17 23:49:57 gosh Aug 17 23:50:10 lmao Aug 17 23:50:45 Tibfib: you owe me a bug reoprt for thta one Aug 17 23:50:51 spelling errors intentional Aug 17 23:50:57 international? Aug 17 23:51:05 intentional... dont mess me up Aug 17 23:51:06 Anivrom: haha, fair enough. Aug 17 23:51:20 I'm fragile right now Aug 17 23:51:26 dawm|laptop: Then wouldn't a background color be a better choice? Aug 17 23:51:29 SPELLING ERRORS INTERNATIONAL.. - An Elite Group of Typo'ologists Aug 17 23:51:29 all this stress from developer deadlines Aug 17 23:52:03 kesne, no Aug 17 23:52:18 but it should be #000; or #000000; Aug 17 23:52:35 dekan, sei is SPELLING ERRORS INTERNATIONAL.. Aug 17 23:52:36 Okay, Tibfib. Aug 17 23:52:50 dawm|laptop: Black will render the same results Aug 17 23:53:14 yea but its not 100% specific ;p Aug 17 23:53:49 and #000 is shorter = smaller file size = optimized Aug 17 23:53:58 true Aug 17 23:53:59 Nyceane: how did that competition go? Aug 17 23:54:12 but in terms of the layout engine, what runs faster? Aug 17 23:54:17 dohtem, will know by sept Aug 17 23:54:36 dawm|laptop: shorter by one char Aug 17 23:54:37 probably 000000 Aug 17 23:54:53 you could also do rgb(0,0,0) Aug 17 23:54:54 nm Aug 17 23:55:10 black would have to lookup, hex wouldnt Aug 17 23:55:22 Nyceane: ah, keep us posted Aug 17 23:55:44 sure, I'll yell at Rahm Emmuel for you =) Aug 17 23:55:53 ok, i just updated my virtual box Aug 17 23:55:53 palm-install: no devices found Aug 17 23:55:53 palm-install: no device found Aug 17 23:55:55 haha. pl Aug 17 23:55:57 and honestly black prolly looks up as 000000, so 000000 would be better Aug 17 23:56:04 ok* Aug 17 23:57:14 ugh, so much on my plate right now.. Aug 17 23:57:34 scrape some onto the floor for the dogs to eat Aug 17 23:57:35 :) Aug 17 23:58:27 i shutdown a website a few months back due to lack of traffic and lent the domain to another community, now im taking over another community of the same subject just so it doesnt get lost. plus the apps im working on, plus closing/moving on the house and then theres the day job.. Aug 17 23:59:22 Tibfib: good? Aug 17 23:59:53 If you wanted to do 1 more pixel, I wouldn't complain :) but otherwise it looks good Aug 18 00:00:11 I dont really, cause thats exactly how I did it last time Aug 18 00:00:16 15px rounded corners Aug 18 00:00:33 oh okay, They look a *little* bigger, but it's not a big deal Aug 18 00:00:43 lies? Aug 18 00:01:28 Anivrom: you should teach him how Aug 18 00:01:40 he doesn't use photoshop Aug 18 00:01:46 but he could Aug 18 00:01:49 nah Aug 18 00:01:55 he doesn't torrent Aug 18 00:02:02 uhh Aug 18 00:02:07 just download a tryout Aug 18 00:02:15 whats the point, it will expire. Aug 18 00:02:16 u get 30days Aug 18 00:02:29 and then if you have to, there are ways of extending that ;p Aug 18 00:02:31 might as well learn with what tools you will always have Aug 18 00:02:38 aka torrent Aug 18 00:02:43 no Aug 18 00:02:48 changing date doesnt work anymore Aug 18 00:02:58 the CS5 installation on this machine, was a tryout Aug 18 00:03:02 its now full Aug 18 00:03:03 Anivrom: But you can still do it Aug 18 00:03:11 dawm|laptop: SAME HERE :D Aug 18 00:03:14 interesting Aug 18 00:03:15 dawm|laptop: How'd you do it? Aug 18 00:03:21 i plead the 5th Aug 18 00:03:29 heh Aug 18 00:03:42 as in 5 fingers? Aug 18 00:03:58 but only no adobe files were modified Aug 18 00:04:26 dawm|laptop: Hao Aug 18 00:06:32 Hello Aug 18 00:06:42 hi Aug 18 00:06:57 A\S\L? Aug 18 00:07:50 23/F/Canada Aug 18 00:07:57 Im Anivrom's wife btw Aug 18 00:08:00 Love this website: http://freerice.com/ Aug 18 00:08:00 lol Aug 18 00:08:11 Kal: Maybe he was joking? Aug 18 00:08:16 oh Aug 18 00:08:20 rofl Aug 18 00:08:24 yes i was joking Aug 18 00:08:39 oh :P Aug 18 00:08:56 Nice to meet you, Dawm lol Aug 18 00:08:58 This really isn't the ASL type of room Aug 18 00:08:59 but for some reason i had a feeling you were female Aug 18 00:09:10 That's what checkers chat is for! Aug 18 00:09:15 lol Aug 18 00:09:19 pocketparty chat ftw Aug 18 00:09:24 maybe if your a pedo kesne Aug 18 00:09:28 where the worlds horny 10 year olds gather Aug 18 00:10:07 Anivrom: But pocket party doesn't have PMs Aug 18 00:10:13 who needs them Aug 18 00:10:15 let it all hang out Aug 18 00:10:26 Anivrom: Seriously, hang out in checkers chat an you'll see. It gets pretty bad sometimes Aug 18 00:10:37 kesne: so if no one answers, they just leave the rice in the warehouse?! Aug 18 00:10:40 an orgy is as simple as asking for sex in public chat room Aug 18 00:10:56 dohtem: No? Aug 18 00:11:05 ugh what the hell did i start Aug 18 00:11:18 teh pr0ns topic Aug 18 00:11:19 Anywyas Aug 18 00:11:30 I'm gonna minimize irc pm if needed Aug 18 00:11:56 "Sorry Ethiopians. We have all this rice to give you but no one is clicking the links!" Aug 18 00:12:33 dohtem: Where's it say that? Aug 18 00:12:34 wait Aug 18 00:12:39 that freerice thing is a test? Aug 18 00:12:46 i was just randomly clicking stuff Aug 18 00:13:00 kesne: It doesn't. The site just doesnt make sense. Aug 18 00:13:10 dohtem: How so? Aug 18 00:13:49 im up to 100 grains!! FTW Aug 18 00:13:53 if they have the food to give the poor, why not just give it instead of making me play word games Aug 18 00:14:09 dohtem, advertising views Aug 18 00:14:21 they get paid pre view prolly, and then buy rice Aug 18 00:14:23 seems retarded and self serving Aug 18 00:14:40 dohtem: Because they don't have the food. Aug 18 00:14:47 dohtem: How so? They don't make money Aug 18 00:15:07 The ad space buys the rice Aug 18 00:15:18 So if nobody plays, they have no money to buy rice Aug 18 00:15:49 ah, my adblock+ is ruining my charity! Aug 18 00:15:50 Tibfib: sugardave: figured out that glitch with food and water being 0 when bought Aug 18 00:16:10 I assumed it was tacked onto end of array when I have a special case that adds it to beginning Aug 18 00:16:16 kesne too Aug 18 00:16:18 im up to 160grains Aug 18 00:16:24 they should let you twitter Aug 18 00:16:42 Anivro|devMode: What? Aug 18 00:16:50 dawm|laptop: I know Aug 18 00:16:54 hey dohtem , you can set it to multiplacation Aug 18 00:17:06 nvm kesne: if you havent found the glitch dont worry about it Aug 18 00:17:10 dawm|laptop: Back in 07-08, I played a lot. I think I got somewhere like 100,000 grains. Aug 18 00:17:17 Anivro|devMode: I don't play very much. At all Aug 18 00:17:22 np Aug 18 00:17:24 multiplaction = way faster/easier than vocab Aug 18 00:17:26 200 grains of rice! They can have a sushi roll Aug 18 00:17:35 mmm sushi Aug 18 00:17:43 I wrote a freerice bot a while ago Aug 18 00:17:43 i mean how can you get 0x0 = ? wrong Aug 18 00:17:45 For giggles Aug 18 00:17:46 10x10 =? Aug 18 00:19:02 420 grains ;P Aug 18 00:19:27 dawm|laptop: Beat my record ;) Aug 18 00:19:33 500 Aug 18 00:19:37 multiplcation = way faster Aug 18 00:19:45 its only up to 12 Aug 18 00:19:54 highest problem is 12x12 Aug 18 00:20:16 most common is x11 Aug 18 00:20:37 600 grains Aug 18 00:20:50 hey dohtem heh i just noticed something Aug 18 00:21:02 at the bottom it says "This banner pays for Aug 18 00:21:02 your donated rice." Aug 18 00:21:30 yeah, it just saw that. Aug 18 00:21:43 the text. adblock hides the banner Aug 18 00:21:56 i dont have a blocker on chrome, but they arent annoying banners Aug 18 00:22:38 dawm|laptop: Me either Aug 18 00:23:02 heh, i block aggresively. CNN.com loads up only text in my browser Aug 18 00:23:41 im gonna goto 1000 and stop, thats plenty of rice Aug 18 00:24:12 Bono does not agree. Aug 18 00:24:34 Do you know how much rice is in an average meal? Aug 18 00:25:18 dohtem: http://freerice.com/faq.html#question14 Aug 18 00:25:19 well 1000 = a ball of rice Aug 18 00:25:24 and 100 = a pile Aug 18 00:25:57 heh, I stand corrected Aug 18 00:26:10 :) Aug 18 00:26:12 yah tahts like 5 meals Aug 18 00:26:15 why is this sample application called 'lightweight' is that an actuall app type? is it liek faster or something? Aug 18 00:26:17 dawm|laptop: http://freerice.com/faq.html#question20 Aug 18 00:26:28 400 = 2 meals, Aug 18 00:27:19 so i just fed 5 people breakfast Aug 18 00:27:51 dawm|laptop: This website is for carma boosting Aug 18 00:28:07 no i have that already - creditkarma.com Aug 18 00:28:10 er Aug 18 00:28:11 karma Aug 18 00:28:37 whatever the spelling is Aug 18 00:28:49 * sugardave prints Schlitterbahn tickets. Aug 18 00:29:25 A while after they launched they started 20 grains per question Aug 18 00:31:08 i heard a rumor that chuqui was gonna try out for ninja warrior Aug 18 00:32:14 Who here is doing the hackathon? Aug 18 00:32:46 i probably wont be now Aug 18 00:32:57 dawm|laptop: why nnot? Aug 18 00:33:01 ill be signing papers and then moving items to the house Aug 18 00:33:48 dawm|laptop: I'm about as nimble as a ninja hippo. Aug 18 00:34:01 i <3 this framework btw Aug 18 00:34:11 they are ninja hippos? Aug 18 00:34:12 acidjazz: what one? Aug 18 00:34:15 webos Aug 18 00:34:29 you mean mojo Aug 18 00:34:33 yea mojo Aug 18 00:34:36 and all the widgets Aug 18 00:34:38 etc Aug 18 00:34:41 its just way tooe asy Aug 18 00:34:47 i got a sweet setup Aug 18 00:34:59 in win7 w/ the sdk installed on a vmware ubuntu 10.04 Aug 18 00:35:12 wait Aug 18 00:35:15 ssh'ed to ubuntu image to code in putty+vim then i use unity to see the emluator just fine Aug 18 00:35:33 you do know you can run it in win7 without ubuntu right? Aug 18 00:35:37 in screen putty'ed in w/ a palm-log window and a window w/ code Aug 18 00:35:40 yea Aug 18 00:35:43 but you gotta use dos windows Aug 18 00:35:47 w/ shitty scroll Aug 18 00:35:58 also i code on diff machinse sometimes Aug 18 00:36:06 so i can just move this vmware image around Aug 18 00:36:12 and i ahve a much more portable environment Aug 18 00:36:14 uhh so you prefer to run a VM inside a VM Aug 18 00:36:29 acidjazz: the first rule of #webos is don't tell anyone how easy it is to dev for Aug 18 00:36:30 not for emu reasons.. but palm-log and coding reasons Aug 18 00:36:40 i dont use palm-log Aug 18 00:36:46 why not its very informative Aug 18 00:36:47 i putty into the emulator and just use log Aug 18 00:37:32 well i got perf screen sesh in ubuntu i access via putty w/ palm-log .. a build/install window and windows for views/apps/etc Aug 18 00:37:40 i dont use the commandline in windows at all for webos developent Aug 18 00:37:44 dekan: tail is tail -f \/var\/log\/messages Aug 18 00:37:45 Okay, sugardave. Aug 18 00:37:49 dekan: tail Aug 18 00:37:49 tail -f \/var\/log\/messages Aug 18 00:37:52 arg Aug 18 00:37:54 botsmack Aug 18 00:37:55 OUCH Aug 18 00:37:55 then i can just freeze this whole vm and move it over .. start it back up ssh back in and screen -dr and im right where i started Aug 18 00:37:59 i use komodo w/ the webos addon to build/package/install Aug 18 00:38:02 you just palm-log -f Aug 18 00:38:06 putty into the emulator for logging Aug 18 00:38:22 dont need a whole putty session just for that.. Aug 18 00:38:30 well whatever its all preference i guess Aug 18 00:38:44 i have to give a presentation of this whoel thing tomorrow on a laptop Aug 18 00:38:47 dekan: tail =~ s/\/var\/log\/messages/foo/ Aug 18 00:38:47 Okay, sugardave, factoid updated. Aug 18 00:38:50 well i can say the same thing to you for running a VM inside a VM when you could just run the emulator ;p Aug 18 00:38:52 so i just copy my frozen vmware image onto it and boom Aug 18 00:39:11 dawm|laptop: the reason isnt the emulator its the OS Aug 18 00:39:14 ive got a svn repo i throw everything on Aug 18 00:39:20 dawm|laptop: by default i code in vim .. got my own syntax and colors file etc Aug 18 00:39:34 yea i backup to s3 buckets Aug 18 00:39:38 and use svn Aug 18 00:39:51 but still w/ screen my cursor is exactly where it was when i bring my vm image back up Aug 18 00:39:59 i just dont understand VM inside VM just for vim ;p Aug 18 00:40:14 gvim in windows sucks .. coding natively in windows sucks Aug 18 00:40:37 basically also notice how i sad i can just move this whole setup anywhere Aug 18 00:40:44 that alone is a good enough reason Aug 18 00:41:02 in fact what i originally looked for that would be sweet Aug 18 00:41:15 is a vmware image publically avail of ubuntu and the whole sdk installed Aug 18 00:41:26 you could use ares Aug 18 00:41:33 maemo supplied that and ppl loved it Aug 18 00:41:43 im all set :) Aug 18 00:42:00 also im using unity w/ vmware and the emulator Aug 18 00:42:13 so its not inconvenient at all Aug 18 00:42:45 here lemme give you an example.. Aug 18 00:42:46 onesec Aug 18 00:45:51 dekan: tail =~ s/foo/\/var\/log\/messages/ Aug 18 00:45:52 Beeeeeeeeeeeeep! Aug 18 00:46:05 www.notchill.com/palmdev.jpg Aug 18 00:47:24 see what i mean now? Aug 18 00:47:34 winamp... Aug 18 00:47:52 yea im listenint to some piano radio station Aug 18 00:47:58 ;p Aug 18 00:48:03 it really whips the llama's ass! Aug 18 00:48:09 if that setup works for you, then more power to ya Aug 18 00:48:18 lol dohtem Aug 18 00:48:22 windoos Aug 18 00:48:24 nullsoft was so much better before AOL Aug 18 00:48:27 omg I haven't heard that llama thing in a long time Aug 18 00:48:37 i still use winamp classic Aug 18 00:48:44 i mean.. they brought us gnutella Aug 18 00:48:55 and the nullsoft installer Aug 18 00:49:06 pimphat installer ;p Aug 18 00:50:02 and you'd heard the llama bleat like it just got hit too Aug 18 00:51:34 wow Aug 18 00:51:43 everyone from the original nullsoft before AOL left in 03 Aug 18 00:53:05 what's Justin doing these days Aug 18 00:55:07 lol he resigned on my birthday in 04 Aug 18 00:55:26 he has Cockos Aug 18 00:55:38 its like protools for windows or something Aug 18 00:55:56 T-minus 5 minutes. Aug 18 00:56:15 actually Aug 18 00:56:22 1014.org is his blog and it looks up to date Aug 18 00:57:46 nice Aug 18 00:57:54 btw, cockos sounds wrong Aug 18 00:57:57 but whatever Aug 18 00:57:57 i know Aug 18 00:58:01 cockOS Aug 18 00:58:20 i guess after the gnutella stunt, aol watched him like a hawk Aug 18 00:58:44 i remember waste Aug 18 00:59:33 remember when shoutcast streams were a big deal Aug 18 00:59:46 hrm.. woot just sent me $5 Aug 18 01:02:08 remember to notify the IRS! Aug 18 01:14:38 Anivro|devMode: You round? Aug 18 01:18:17 sugardave: is your app officially published now? Aug 18 01:19:58 Anivro|devMode: just in the beta feed Aug 18 01:20:12 * Anivro|devMode Anivrom|devMode Aug 18 01:20:19 hmm how are ppl rating your app then? Aug 18 01:20:23 there is ratings in beta? Aug 18 01:20:30 mhmm Aug 18 01:20:39 they dont transfer to main feed right? Aug 18 01:21:06 not sure...it will be a differeny app id when i rememberdoremember it Aug 18 01:21:16 wtf Aug 18 01:21:18 I seee Aug 18 01:21:31 good idea Aug 18 01:21:41 ill tag beta on the end of my id Aug 18 01:22:25 Anivrom|devMode Aug 18 01:22:28 Er Aug 18 01:22:36 kesne Aug 18 01:22:40 Haha! Aug 18 01:23:06 * Anivro|devMode ignores kesne and continues programming Aug 18 01:25:30 Anivro|devMode: What if I registered this nick? Aug 18 01:25:47 rwhitby: Why do you always ignore me? :'( Aug 18 01:27:23 ok so if I release to beta feed when users update the db's will remain? Aug 18 01:27:29 cause right now you gotta uninstall everytime Aug 18 01:27:35 which sucks for custom decor setups Aug 18 01:27:48 Anivro|devMode: yes Aug 18 01:27:50 and rare inventory stuffs Aug 18 01:27:58 But I dont wanna publish to beta just yet Aug 18 01:27:59 Anivro|devMode: Maybe Aug 18 01:28:03 need some minigamezzzzzz Aug 18 01:28:10 Use Planet Eaters Aug 18 01:28:14 Like seriously, steal the code Aug 18 01:28:30 Its too beefy for a minigame Aug 18 01:28:38 Water it down? Aug 18 01:28:45 It's one scene Aug 18 01:28:52 hum de dum Aug 18 01:28:54 possibly Aug 18 01:29:03 Anivro|devMode: $2000 Aug 18 01:29:15 is what I'll make when I steal your code. Aug 18 01:29:16 I know Aug 18 01:29:25 its gonna be great Aug 18 01:29:29 thanks for the permission Aug 18 01:32:25 if (typeof (response !== "undefined")) passes the condition... Aug 18 01:32:28 but its undefined Aug 18 01:32:33 maybe no quotes? Aug 18 01:32:33 WHAT Aug 18 01:32:35 * sugardave gets SpiderMonkey and ICU installed. "On to erlang." Aug 18 01:32:35 ... Aug 18 01:32:43 sugardave: see above Aug 18 01:32:59 thats my new db bug Aug 18 01:33:09 what am I doing wrong Aug 18 01:33:16 if you want to test if response is undefined or not Aug 18 01:33:18 i have a listwidget that i only want to show up after i populate it .. but the this.controller.setupWidget has to be in thie setup function right? Aug 18 01:33:23 what can i do hide it and then show it? Aug 18 01:33:25 do if (!response) {} Aug 18 01:33:28 bah Aug 18 01:33:30 or if(response) Aug 18 01:33:33 but I wanna be complicated Aug 18 01:33:37 and roundabout Aug 18 01:33:41 dumb Aug 18 01:33:48 :O Aug 18 01:33:51 * Anivro|devMode is offended Aug 18 01:34:24 Anivro|devMode: You only need !=, not !== Aug 18 01:34:37 meh !== works and jslint doesn't chirp at me Aug 18 01:34:40 so I just obey Aug 18 01:34:49 or Aug 18 01:35:00 I use !=========== Aug 18 01:35:01 right syntaxt for that is Aug 18 01:35:23 if (typeof(response) !== 'undefined') {} Aug 18 01:35:31 same thing.... Aug 18 01:35:47 I added space and used " Aug 18 01:35:50 no Aug 18 01:35:53 look again Aug 18 01:35:54 Anivro|devMode: HAHA Aug 18 01:35:58 Anivro|devMode: You idiot Aug 18 01:36:06 lmfao Aug 18 01:36:10 * Anivro|devMode is ashamed Aug 18 01:36:11 Parentheses. Aug 18 01:36:18 no wonder Aug 18 01:36:28 ok so I think I fixed the new db bug :P Aug 18 01:36:32 haha Aug 18 01:36:35 you should start with full stats Aug 18 01:36:36 YOU fixed it? Aug 18 01:36:37 :P Aug 18 01:36:38 LOL Aug 18 01:36:41 yea I fixed it Aug 18 01:36:50 It was a parenthesis problem Aug 18 01:36:52 FYI Aug 18 01:36:58 you caused it to become fixed...that's how I "fixed" the back door of my house Aug 18 01:37:00 I just noticed it before you said it Aug 18 01:37:08 ;)( Aug 18 01:37:18 * Anivro|devMode will not admit error Aug 18 01:37:25 jslint doesn't like if (!thing) ? Aug 18 01:37:34 != as apposed to !== Aug 18 01:37:40 Anivro|devMode: I understand you've been running from the man that goes by the name of the sandman. Aug 18 01:37:41 it always goes with strict Aug 18 01:37:43 yeah never != Aug 18 01:37:46 always !== Aug 18 01:37:49 LOL Aug 18 01:38:02 Anivro|devMode: You only need !=, not !== Aug 18 01:38:11 dude Aug 18 01:38:13 seriously Aug 18 01:38:17 don't listen to him Aug 18 01:38:22 Yeah, really, don't Aug 18 01:38:31 Oh dont worry I'm not, I do whatever jslint tells me to Aug 18 01:38:32 Realistically, you only NEED != Aug 18 01:38:43 except for radix errors Aug 18 01:38:46 :P Aug 18 01:39:07 I call shananigans on radix errors in jslint Aug 18 01:39:12 Anivrom|devMode: So, Like I said, I understand you've been running from the man that goes by the name of the sandman. Aug 18 01:39:18 erlang source almost downloaded.... Aug 18 01:39:43 I think this is the last thing I have to make work for couchdb dependencies Aug 18 01:39:48 * sugardave crosses his fingers. Aug 18 01:39:58 sugardave: you were only half right Aug 18 01:40:01 sugardave: got it to work? with your app? Aug 18 01:40:07 (or trying to ?) Aug 18 01:40:08 if (response) still passes when response is undefined Aug 18 01:40:13 +.5 Aug 18 01:40:22 I already knew that but somehow I trusted you Aug 18 01:40:30 now I gotta type that typeof code out again Aug 18 01:40:30 Tibfib: oh no, I'm just trying to get couchdb on my webhost to back node.js web service testing Aug 18 01:40:35 cause I'm too lazy to scroll up Aug 18 01:40:50 um Aug 18 01:40:55 sugardave: oh, mmkay Aug 18 01:41:05 if response is undefined....it shouldn't pass that Aug 18 01:41:09 well it does Aug 18 01:41:19 is it the string 'undefined' Aug 18 01:41:21 and I had run into this issue before Aug 18 01:41:21 ? Aug 18 01:41:34 No its an object obviously. its a db return Aug 18 01:42:50 launchign with typof to settle this once and for all Aug 18 01:43:08 gee golly Aug 18 01:43:11 it didnt pass Aug 18 01:43:13 okay, that is all kinds of wrong, but whatever....in all my code if I try to check a var that is undefined it evaluates to false and that code is skipped Aug 18 01:43:28 yea maybe its different for response objects Aug 18 01:43:46 I use if (var) {} too Aug 18 01:43:55 and if (!var) {} and it works like it should Aug 18 01:43:57 just not for this one Aug 18 01:44:05 dont know the diff Aug 18 01:44:38 then that means it is technically 'defined' and is either a bug or some weirdness and just be glad you have me to help set you straight :P Aug 18 01:44:49 LOL Aug 18 01:45:00 * Anivrom|devMode lets that one slide Aug 18 01:45:43 what does the magic ares debugger say about response? Aug 18 01:45:49 undefined Aug 18 01:46:09 but in this case undefined is a type Aug 18 01:46:11 not a string Aug 18 01:46:13 idk Aug 18 01:46:21 ypiits just weird Aug 18 01:46:24 you're right* Aug 18 01:46:24 then, as I say, response is technically defined Aug 18 01:46:29 it has interesting properties Aug 18 01:47:19 my next problem is even though it passes and I enter my new stats conditional, my app still freezes in white space ... Aug 18 01:47:42 Anivrom|devMode: you need to rewrite your app in Whitespace Aug 18 01:47:59 * Anivrom|devMode assumes whitespace is an IDE Aug 18 01:48:05 or something similair Aug 18 01:48:09 http://compsoc.dur.ac.uk/whitespace/tutorial.php Aug 18 01:48:13 heh Aug 18 01:48:15 figures Aug 18 01:48:26 all you techie guys and your obscure technologies Aug 18 01:48:51 hahahaha Aug 18 01:49:41 think I found the problem Aug 18 01:49:49 * rwhitby loves reading the source code for the Whitespace sample applications Aug 18 01:49:56 trying to push an item into inventory that hasnt been setup yet LOL Aug 18 01:51:00 rwhitby: :'( Aug 18 01:51:01 nice, a fibonacci one Aug 18 01:52:49 wow these chicken parmesan stuffed breaded chicken cutlets are Orgasmic Aug 18 01:55:52 Shhh, he's back Aug 18 01:56:14 stealing my cliche jokes again kesne? how lame Aug 18 01:56:17 :P Aug 18 01:57:19 I just got "power saving tips" static cling decals for my car! how awesome Aug 18 01:57:29 from my utilities company Aug 18 02:01:38 hmm Aug 18 02:01:43 hey CTLAdvance Aug 18 02:01:49 Hey Anivrom Aug 18 02:01:50 CTLAdvance! Aug 18 02:01:50 CTLAdvance eats to escape his problems as \I always do Aug 18 02:01:57 hahahhaa Aug 18 02:02:18 ... Aug 18 02:02:41 oy Aug 18 02:03:04 what happened to that IDE you were building :P Aug 18 02:03:07 planning to build* Aug 18 02:03:30 no time yet, still have it in the works Aug 18 02:03:36 good stuff Aug 18 02:03:40 this is my weekend and late night work Aug 18 02:04:44 I have like 40 projects started in different areas, so I dont loose my ideas Aug 18 02:04:54 yet not enough time to work on them Aug 18 02:05:07 :P I do that too, jump from 1 thing to the next Aug 18 02:05:17 Luckily I've been able to keep focus on this game Aug 18 02:06:02 good, I work over 60 hours a week aside from this so my time is hit or miss Aug 18 02:06:05 :/ Aug 18 02:06:16 plus ive been traveling Aug 18 02:06:22 that'll do iot Aug 18 02:06:23 it Aug 18 02:07:09 yeah, I was planning to do work when I was in europe 3 weeks ago... I got all screwwed up Aug 18 02:08:00 ok what the heck, In my items HTML template I have my twinkle div higher than my icon div yet the twinkles are below the icon Aug 18 02:08:28 underneath* Aug 18 02:08:29 using index Aug 18 02:08:31 ? Aug 18 02:08:57 no, but I thought if no index is used it goes by declaration order Aug 18 02:09:09 no Aug 18 02:09:15 why wouldnt it Aug 18 02:09:18 well it deppends Aug 18 02:09:22 how does it know to put icon overtop Aug 18 02:09:28 try making the one you want in back index=-1 Aug 18 02:09:32 and leave the rest Aug 18 02:09:45 no index on the others Aug 18 02:10:50 I dont like this rumor of sprint not getting the next device first Aug 18 02:11:08 what next device Aug 18 02:11:19 hey when is the next device expected Aug 18 02:11:33 its all rumors and speculation now Aug 18 02:11:37 i have not heard any rumors about anything. Not even a leak photo or spec Aug 18 02:11:46 there is no leak Aug 18 02:11:49 just rumors Aug 18 02:12:26 HP doesnt like leakers, last time an hp product was leaked, the person was found dead Aug 18 02:12:29 how do i make my listmodel objects clickable? Aug 18 02:12:43 acidjazz: they already are Aug 18 02:12:44 add a listener Aug 18 02:12:53 oh :P Aug 18 02:12:55 add a listTap event handler to the list Aug 18 02:12:56 okie that then :) Aug 18 02:12:56 <--- ares Aug 18 02:13:00 listTap ok Aug 18 02:13:14 ARES! Stop dumbing down anivrom! Aug 18 02:13:17 :D Aug 18 02:13:19 haha Aug 18 02:13:26 I still setup listeners manually Aug 18 02:13:32 Ares doesn't have all the events there Aug 18 02:13:42 :O Aug 18 02:13:50 yea, I know its a shocker Aug 18 02:14:26 man, erlang takes a long time on make install Aug 18 02:15:16 this.listTapHandler = this.listTap.bindAsEventListener(this); Aug 18 02:15:18 somethin like that? Aug 18 02:15:43 well, you need to write a handler function...so that's close Aug 18 02:16:03 then you'd write SomeAssistant.prototype.listTap = function(event) {...} Aug 18 02:16:50 write i wrote that Aug 18 02:16:53 just did a console.log(event) for now Aug 18 02:17:08 i dont understand though how this.listTapHandler = this.listTap.bindAsEventListener(this); is bound to my particular list ? Aug 18 02:17:13 oh Aug 18 02:17:14 like this Aug 18 02:17:26 i see nothing in that line of code that binds that to my list Aug 18 02:17:38 Mojo.Event.listen(this.controller.get(listId), Mojo.Event.listTap, this.listTapHandler); Aug 18 02:17:46 I put mine in activate Aug 18 02:17:52 both of those lines sugardave ? Aug 18 02:17:58 and a corresponding stopListening in deactivate Aug 18 02:18:01 that's one line Aug 18 02:18:10 oh ok Aug 18 02:18:44 is listId something like "groupListWIdget" Aug 18 02:18:50 yeah Aug 18 02:18:54 the id of my group/list Aug 18 02:18:55 ok Aug 18 02:18:56 whatever the id="" is in html Aug 18 02:19:04 of the widget div Aug 18 02:19:46 and make install still goes....I thought make did all the hard stuff and make install just copied things to where they go? Aug 18 02:20:13 gotcha Aug 18 02:20:54 [20100817-19:19:59.616373] warning: Mojo.Event.listen: 'handlerFunction' parameter must be a function. Aug 18 02:20:55 hmm Aug 18 02:21:09 this.listTapHandler.bind(this) Aug 18 02:21:20 no Aug 18 02:21:23 you had already Aug 18 02:21:23 ....... Aug 18 02:21:24 is that the function name Aug 18 02:21:25 :( Aug 18 02:21:36 this.listTapHandler = this.listTap.bindAsEventListener(this); Aug 18 02:21:40 oh I see Aug 18 02:21:45 so you just use this.listTapHandler Aug 18 02:21:46 is that go in active as well? Aug 18 02:21:53 that can go in setup Aug 18 02:22:08 actually Aug 18 02:22:10 changing the other line to Aug 18 02:22:15 Mojo.Event.listen(this.controller.get("groupListWidget"), Mojo.Event.listTap, this.listTap); Aug 18 02:22:27 seemed to run my FirstAssistant.prototype.listTap = function(event) { console.log(event); }; Aug 18 02:22:34 k Aug 18 02:22:37 [20100817-19:21:24.047612] info: [object Event], app/assistants/first-assistant.js:84 Aug 18 02:22:44 would you rather perfer your way? Aug 18 02:23:29 I always use bindAsEventListener on my handlers...not sure what the consequences are for not doing it Aug 18 02:23:36 now i guess im gonna call a push scene to have this list go to the detailed page of the item.. but i need to specify an identifier of that list item Aug 18 02:23:37 ok Aug 18 02:23:41 ill do change it to your way then Aug 18 02:23:54 doesnt prototype have stuff like .click though Aug 18 02:24:11 maybe for browser but not for webos Aug 18 02:24:19 webos prototype has alot removed Aug 18 02:24:26 to make it leaner Aug 18 02:24:54 ok cool still works Aug 18 02:25:03 now i need to find which item in the list i clicked via the event object right? Aug 18 02:25:14 Its something like event.original.id Aug 18 02:25:16 I believe Aug 18 02:25:23 yeah, should be event.item Aug 18 02:25:23 Lemme check Aug 18 02:25:32 thats the whole row sugardave Aug 18 02:25:36 i can just toJSON or somethign right Aug 18 02:25:39 he wants the widget within I think right? Aug 18 02:26:07 Installed the 1.4.5 SDK but a VM does not appear in VirtualBox. Was there some palm-foo cmd we have to run to create the VM? Aug 18 02:26:08 [20100817-19:25:24.809961] error: RangeError: Maximum call stack size exceeded Aug 18 02:26:10 lol Aug 18 02:26:15 ruhroh Aug 18 02:26:22 lordbah: run palm-emulator Aug 18 02:26:31 originalEvent Aug 18 02:26:46 [20100817-19:25:57.386661] info: {"title": "music", "mediaCount": 2}, app/assistants/first-assistant.js:87 Aug 18 02:26:49 was in event.item Aug 18 02:26:51 nice Aug 18 02:27:22 hey Aug 18 02:27:32 hey Aug 18 02:27:36 That's the one ... it's coming back to me ... had some issue because clicking Start Emulator was different from double-clicking the line with the resolution in it. Aug 18 02:27:40 damn, I see an erl binary, but make install failed so it won't copy to where configure for couchdb wants it :( Aug 18 02:27:56 acidjazz: do you want the row to be tappable or something within the row? Aug 18 02:28:16 i want the row to be tappable Aug 18 02:28:19 oh Aug 18 02:28:20 im gonna go to a detailed page of that row Aug 18 02:28:23 then its just event.item Aug 18 02:28:34 yea i added the id i want to access Aug 18 02:28:36 group_id Aug 18 02:28:39 found it via event.item.group_id Aug 18 02:28:43 right Aug 18 02:28:50 now to learn puschscene etc :) Aug 18 02:29:05 and to pass this group_id to taht scene.. Aug 18 02:29:48 Mojo.Controller.stageController.pushScene({name:"nameofscene"},group_id}); Aug 18 02:30:10 in nameofscene constructor there will be an object what will have group_id as a property Aug 18 02:30:26 in the nameofscene-assistant.js Aug 18 02:30:38 oops' Aug 18 02:30:39 okie Aug 18 02:30:45 and stageController Aug 18 02:30:47 no last curly brace Aug 18 02:30:49 is that a class i need to write Aug 18 02:30:51 Anivrom|devMode: you need to take into time of day with happiness/return events. Like he shouldn't be mad I haven't visited him within 8 hours if that was night Aug 18 02:30:52 no Aug 18 02:30:58 Mojo.Controller.stageController.pushScene({name:"group"},group_id); Aug 18 02:31:02 ok Aug 18 02:31:12 acidjazz: just add an arg to the next scene's constructor like group, and then in the constructor you can do this.group_id = group; Aug 18 02:31:21 there you go Aug 18 02:31:31 Tibfib, the numbers need to be tweaked Aug 18 02:31:51 there should be a cap to how much petting will help your happiness :) Aug 18 02:31:53 If you have full stats he shouldnt go down at all in 8 hours Aug 18 02:31:55 hey does anyone have a 1.3.1 doctor? Aug 18 02:32:00 I know, its planned Aug 18 02:32:08 For testing its a quick way to raise happiness Aug 18 02:32:32 Anivrom|devMode: hmm, your annoying to give feature ideas. you already have thought of it :P Aug 18 02:32:37 you're. dangit Aug 18 02:32:51 sugardave: my 1st scenes .js isnt really a class though Aug 18 02:33:00 its a buncnhb of functhions .. i wrote it off of hello_app i think Aug 18 02:33:02 lemme show ya Aug 18 02:33:16 function DecorSetupAssistant(argFromPusher) { Aug 18 02:33:17 } Aug 18 02:33:24 that should be at the top of your assistant Aug 18 02:33:30 replace names as needed Aug 18 02:33:30 he doesn't have argFromPusher Aug 18 02:33:44 if he used palm-generate or one of the other IDEs to make a new scene Aug 18 02:33:58 but he can put w/e he wants in there right? Aug 18 02:34:07 http://webos.pastebin.com/55fyxsmi Aug 18 02:34:24 acidjazz: firstassistant is your constructor Aug 18 02:34:30 ah k Aug 18 02:34:34 function FirstAssistant(group_id) {} Aug 18 02:34:47 function FirstAssistant(group_id) { this.group_id = group_id;} Aug 18 02:34:50 like that Aug 18 02:35:17 http://webos.pastebin.com/75n73EHu Aug 18 02:35:30 yarrrrrr Aug 18 02:35:35 isnt there a sweeter way to organize all that though via class.create ? Aug 18 02:35:47 can you convert that for me? :) Aug 18 02:35:48 probably, I don't use it...js is prototypal Aug 18 02:35:58 ah k Aug 18 02:35:59 no, I don't use class.create Aug 18 02:36:06 john resig ftw Aug 18 02:36:25 Douglas Crockford doesn't worry about scope because all variables are available in all scopes for Douglas Crockford Aug 18 02:36:38 acidjazz: I think a lot of the style matters/mojo matters examples use class.create, though Aug 18 02:36:50 Anivrom|devMode: Are you adding the battle mode? Aug 18 02:36:58 maybe in 2.0 Aug 18 02:36:59 and a lot of the stock phone apps Aug 18 02:37:30 its what im more used to writing Aug 18 02:37:31 but ok Aug 18 02:37:48 so i have to name my view dir group ? Aug 18 02:37:57 Isnt there a function of the Date() object to convert milliseconds into minutes/hours etc Aug 18 02:38:02 acidjazz: are you making these things by hand or what? Aug 18 02:38:10 sugardave: yea the second scene ... Aug 18 02:38:13 you should use palm-generate to create new scenes Aug 18 02:38:14 id like to to understand Aug 18 02:38:20 oh ok Aug 18 02:38:23 how do i do that to just create a scene? Aug 18 02:38:39 it makes the assistant.js and the view.html in the standard places for you Aug 18 02:38:46 okie Aug 18 02:38:54 well, I don't remember...I use the eclipse menu for it Aug 18 02:38:57 there's a flag Aug 18 02:39:06 i found it Aug 18 02:39:08 do palm-generate -h and check it out Aug 18 02:39:20 does anyone know of a backup of where all the doctors are stored? Aug 18 02:39:21 kesne: if you converted pleaters to minigame size I'd prolly love you Aug 18 02:39:24 palm likes to delete all stuff Aug 18 02:39:44 palm-generate -t group -p "what=isthis" ~/palm/palmx Aug 18 02:39:51 I could give you a shameless plug to the full version inside the app :P Aug 18 02:41:27 Anivrom|devMode: I really don't have that kind of time Aug 18 02:41:51 what if I wrote an app that makes time? Aug 18 02:44:09 Anivrom|devMode: I can give you code if you throw the plug in Aug 18 02:45:00 haha, you could turn planet eaters into a good mini game... pet running around eating food :) Aug 18 02:45:49 Tibfib: thats what we're gonna do Aug 18 02:45:52 :) Aug 18 02:46:17 I'm just gonna change the graphics a bit I think Aug 18 02:47:38 barnstorming Aug 18 02:47:52 definition please? Aug 18 02:48:31 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barnstorming_(video_game) Aug 18 02:49:01 you're syaing I should include it as a minigame? Aug 18 02:49:28 yeah, a game like it, little dude flying a little plane Aug 18 02:49:34 sounds good Aug 18 02:49:54 will give me some practice for my next game, a side scrolling space shooter like rtype Aug 18 02:49:55 yeee hawww Aug 18 02:52:48 Lolol http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEApFGRXFuo&playnext=1&videos=qLXJl7iV9fE&feature=sub Aug 18 02:53:10 * Anivrom|devMode has learned not to click youtube links posted by kesne Aug 18 02:53:28 Anivrom|devMode: It's funny Aug 18 02:57:08 arg, and now make clean; make fails **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Aug 18 02:59:57 2010