**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Aug 19 02:59:57 2010 Aug 19 03:00:30 i dont like these palm headers Aug 19 03:00:35 the ones in stylematters Aug 19 03:00:37 tehyre lame/gay Aug 19 03:03:53 oh Aug 19 03:04:07 you can make your own Aug 19 03:05:00 maybe i will Aug 19 03:05:09 so i got a good ? .. i have some images on this app that load from the internet Aug 19 03:05:21 is it easy to like have them load before teh page loads? Aug 19 03:05:34 you could download the images and load them Aug 19 03:05:52 hmm id have to do that on a per-page basis Aug 19 03:06:00 or it could get real ugly Aug 19 03:07:23 halfhalo: arg, your version of the nodules script was messing me up! if test needs "$1" to survive no arguments being passed to it :P Aug 19 03:16:38 lol Aug 19 03:16:50 I have a custom version of nodules, thats why Aug 19 03:17:04 lets me force reloading of all modules Aug 19 03:17:33 yeah, it still needs Aug 19 03:17:40 "$1" Aug 19 03:17:45 instead of $1 Aug 19 03:17:48 :P Aug 19 03:17:54 not on my mac Aug 19 03:17:55 :p Aug 19 03:18:11 if you don't pass a parm to nodules it runs? Aug 19 03:18:15 yup Aug 19 03:18:19 interesting Aug 19 03:18:29 okay another question if you have a minute Aug 19 03:18:34 sure Aug 19 03:19:12 alright, so mongo stuff...do you just git clone inside your main project's lib dir or what? Aug 19 03:19:27 yeah Aug 19 03:19:39 and then what part of it do you require to get everything, or do I need to require individual js inside mongo? Aug 19 03:20:43 only require the index.js file in node-mongo-native/lib/mongodb/ Aug 19 03:21:01 ah Aug 19 03:21:02 okay Aug 19 03:21:06 thank you Aug 19 03:22:10 i'm going for an interview for a coding job on friday :) Aug 19 03:23:12 wear a tshirt that says "wolframalpha > bing" for extra points ;) Aug 19 03:24:39 anyone use wolfram? Aug 19 03:26:15 dangit I need to work but songwave keeps distracting me Aug 19 03:26:43 I like drawing pictures with the blocks Aug 19 03:26:45 * Anivrom giggles Aug 19 03:27:59 tibfib: you need ear muffs Aug 19 03:28:31 * Tibfib just turned off "Include me in "People Here Now" after I check in" on facebook Aug 19 03:29:27 LoneStar99: hah, I'm trying to listen to music in the background but songwave just draws me Aug 19 03:31:13 you are being hypnotized Aug 19 03:31:42 ok need to wake up and work on some fixes, it is to early here Aug 19 03:32:09 halfhalo: one more question, do you use your nodules script to load any project in which you are also requiring the mongo library? I'm getting errors when it tries to load its requirements Aug 19 03:32:43 mebe… that makes my head hurt Aug 19 03:32:58 sugardave: listening to you setting up mongo makes me want to slash my wrists in the most violent manner I can come up with. Aug 19 03:33:20 I got binary mongo working so that's all behind me, this is the last middleware part Aug 19 03:33:28 http://www.newegg.com/Info/TrackOrder.aspx?TrackingNumber=1ZX799330330130250 !!! Aug 19 03:33:46 oh crap, songwave is awsome, what have you done! Aug 19 03:34:59 ok Tibfib: you asked for touch feedback, how do I go about changing stuffs on the down press from a tap event Aug 19 03:35:05 huh? answer that smart guy Aug 19 03:35:12 Mojo -> {cloudthing} node.js <-> mongodb and all JSON all the time Aug 19 03:35:13 it's like Aug 19 03:35:17 it's like heaven Aug 19 03:35:23 Lol Aug 19 03:35:28 Missing some steps Aug 19 03:35:30 :p Aug 19 03:35:35 Mine goes like this: Aug 19 03:36:22 Anivrom: add tap feedback like so:
then in css, you can do .dog.selected {/change it } Aug 19 03:36:34 Mojo | WebApp <-> Journey (JSON Server) <-> SSO Interface <-> MongoDB Aug 19 03:36:58 yeah, I'm doing the "prove I can do it" mode right now :D Aug 19 03:37:03 how would that work for custom buttons... Aug 19 03:37:07 which are just img divs Aug 19 03:37:36 and this is the last glue layer, I think...I may just fudge the path in the loop and see what happens Aug 19 03:38:38 heh Aug 19 03:38:41 ok so is codeslaw going to make a pro version of songwave that has more tracks and lets you save the file you create? Aug 19 03:38:42 I have lotsa layers Aug 19 03:39:32 And am only on the bottom layer :( Aug 19 03:43:53 bah, it doesn't like the full path trick Aug 19 03:43:58 lol Aug 19 03:44:16 my crimping stuff needs to get here nao Aug 19 03:45:08 Anivrom: x-mojo-tap-feedback adds the .selected class to your div Aug 19 03:45:55 Anivrom: what haeffb said, what I posted was just an example Aug 19 03:46:15 jok;iguj Aug 19 03:46:27 ... Aug 19 03:46:35 wife did thta Aug 19 03:46:52 lies Aug 19 03:47:02 hah Aug 19 03:47:05 Weee! Aug 19 03:47:05 I know about those classes, my issue is where I put them in ares. Aug 19 03:47:08 I love newegg Aug 19 03:47:09 I use touch what is the difference? Aug 19 03:47:30 Its always next day shipping Aug 19 03:47:32 Anivrom: the css file? Aug 19 03:47:52 can you do that? Aug 19 03:47:57 it's an attribute Aug 19 03:48:10 Anivrom: oh Aug 19 03:48:17 in mojo you put it inthe html Aug 19 03:48:18 sugardave: i thought he was talking about selected Aug 19 03:48:23 hmm Aug 19 03:48:23 oh Aug 19 03:48:35 * Tibfib loads up ares Aug 19 03:48:45 * Tibfib wonders again why Anivrom uses ares Aug 19 03:48:46
Aug 19 03:49:02 when you touch it, it will get .selected Aug 19 03:49:49 Anivrom: download the src, edit the file by hand :P Aug 19 03:49:49 right, not tap Aug 19 03:49:59 Tibfib: thats what I'm doing Aug 19 03:50:00 tap works as well Aug 19 03:50:09 yeah, sometimes tap works Aug 19 03:50:10 Is touch better? Aug 19 03:50:13 and highlight Aug 19 03:50:19 x-mojo-tap-highlight Aug 19 03:50:21 I've seen that Aug 19 03:50:26 there are too many Aug 19 03:50:28 Someone should figure out what the different ones do Aug 19 03:50:38 I nominate Anivrom Aug 19 03:50:43 * Tibfib seconds Aug 19 03:50:48 all in favor? Aug 19 03:50:54 aye Aug 19 03:51:03 the ayes have it Aug 19 03:51:21 boo Aug 19 03:51:23 eye Aug 19 03:52:26 stupid mojo lists are stupid Aug 19 03:52:35 I think I love lists now Aug 19 03:52:40 * Anivrom crosses fingers and hopes ares doesn't bend him over her knee Aug 19 03:52:45 They are evil. Aug 19 03:52:59 her/its Aug 19 03:53:06 well, I haven't had to contend with lazy lists yet Aug 19 03:53:11 so that ought to be fun Aug 19 03:53:12 its a her Aug 19 03:53:32 I like to refer to ares as a she, tempermental and you gotta butter her up to get what you want Aug 19 03:53:49 bah didnt work Aug 19 03:54:04 I left out some important pieces Aug 19 03:54:05 className: "htmlOverlay" x-mojo-tap-feedback="immediate", Aug 19 03:54:14 in the chrome.js Aug 19 03:54:23 should that not work? Aug 19 03:54:36 ares is completely different. no clue Aug 19 03:54:47 think it would work in styles or is it a class thing? Aug 19 03:54:50
Aug 19 03:54:56 heard some months ago, that a an app can run in the browser? is that right? Aug 19 03:54:59 but I guess you don't have that part Aug 19 03:55:03 LoneStar99: yeah Aug 19 03:55:08 sugardave: I dont create my own divs and there is no html in chrome.js Aug 19 03:55:10 Anivrom: it's an attribute Aug 19 03:55:29 Tibfib: how is that? Aug 19 03:55:38 LoneStar99: trying to find the link Aug 19 03:55:39 this.controller.get(id).setAttribute('x-mojo-touch-feedback', 'immediate'); Aug 19 03:55:51 ah I see Aug 19 03:55:54 lets try that one Aug 19 03:56:15 Brink is up for preorder on steam! Aug 19 03:56:17 I like the caveman way better Aug 19 03:56:20 it's somewhere on developer.palm.com Aug 19 03:57:40 ...can't find it Aug 19 03:57:50 emulator host mode is what I think it's called Aug 19 03:58:03 Tibfib: ok will look for it Aug 19 03:58:06 didnt work. wouldnt have anything to do with the fact that its not a widget, and just a div? Aug 19 03:58:23 Tibfib: have you tried it? Aug 19 03:58:28 found it: http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1744#emulator_host_mode Aug 19 03:58:33 LoneStar99: no need for it Aug 19 03:59:17 my Pre no longer taking screen caps Aug 19 03:59:51 Anivrom: what does your css look like? Aug 19 04:00:12 Tibfib: http://uoid.me/hostmode1 Aug 19 04:00:18 .htmlOverlay { Aug 19 04:00:18 zIndex: "9999"; Aug 19 04:00:18 position:"fixed"; Aug 19 04:00:18 } Aug 19 04:00:29 LoneStar99: already posted it :P Aug 19 04:00:33 thats the class of my div Aug 19 04:00:35 Tibfib: yeah Aug 19 04:00:39 thanks Aug 19 04:00:40 You're welcome, LoneStar99! Aug 19 04:00:43 .htmlOverlay .selected { /*new style*/} Aug 19 04:00:51 no space Aug 19 04:01:00 no space? Aug 19 04:01:05 .htmlOverlay.selected (I THINK) Aug 19 04:01:09 sugardave: I think so Aug 19 04:01:11 I am always confused by when to use the space or not Aug 19 04:01:15 do both Aug 19 04:01:18 heh Aug 19 04:01:21 listen to haeffb Aug 19 04:01:24 OVERKILL! Aug 19 04:01:58 I wonder what I could do to show tap feedback with so many buttons being different Aug 19 04:02:13 Anivrom: darken the button background, that's all you need Aug 19 04:02:43 but my buttons have transparency. would look pretty ugly with a square background Aug 19 04:03:22 re-cut the same graphic Aug 19 04:03:26 I meant use a darker button image Aug 19 04:03:40 bah then I'll need a class for every single button :( Aug 19 04:03:55 or do that fancy shit you designers do with the 3 different images in one and cut off the borders appropriately Aug 19 04:03:57 was looking for something a little more reusable Aug 19 04:04:23 um, can't all the buttons have the same class? Aug 19 04:04:30 .imAButton Aug 19 04:04:31 Anivrom: add the same class name to every button... then .bigClassName.selected {/new css} Aug 19 04:04:47 dangit. sugardave keeps beating me... Aug 19 04:05:28 I dont think we are thinking the same thing here. There are different images used for different buttons and you are saying just use a darker image, but they are different so I'm gonna hve to make all those classes with darker images Aug 19 04:05:51 yep Aug 19 04:05:54 Is each button an image? or does each button have 2 images? Aug 19 04:05:58 or do what I said Aug 19 04:06:00 1 for now Aug 19 04:06:07 ah, you need two images for each Aug 19 04:06:15 you still have to make them, but you should be able to whip up an easy dark version of each one Aug 19 04:06:16 or do a new class for everything Aug 19 04:06:22 sugardave: I generally forget anything you say, refresh my memeory Aug 19 04:06:28 scroll up Aug 19 04:06:32 :P Aug 19 04:06:32 still need 2 images Aug 19 04:06:33 joking Aug 19 04:06:44 look at the palm-button images though Aug 19 04:06:46 for small class Aug 19 04:06:52 the ones they use for the border Aug 19 04:06:56 I get it.. trust me Aug 19 04:06:56 I need to make ces reservations... Aug 19 04:07:00 okay Aug 19 04:07:01 do that Aug 19 04:07:09 I just wanted to avoid all the classes and image version Aug 19 04:07:10 versions Aug 19 04:07:16 sorry charlie Aug 19 04:07:31 Like maybe a sizing thing, gets a few px bigger on selected Aug 19 04:08:09 no. change the image Aug 19 04:08:13 :P Aug 19 04:08:14 boo Aug 19 04:08:52 I did have dup images that had a glow around them, but I deleted them figuring on a different method Aug 19 04:10:03 ls Aug 19 04:10:06 oops Aug 19 04:10:14 I keep getting random calender errors in my log viewer... seems calender app wasn't built so well Aug 19 04:11:52 yay, little guy grew up into stage 2 at midnight Aug 19 04:11:58 huzzah code works Aug 19 04:12:49 * Anivrom is always surprised when his code works Aug 19 04:15:01 Anivrom: run ANY palm app and watch the errors fly Aug 19 04:15:11 I see them all the time Aug 19 04:15:15 But most are calendar Aug 19 04:15:39 calendar seems to do stuff in the bg more often then others Aug 19 04:17:51 Hmm .selected no worky. I know it should cause I've used it before Aug 19 04:33:40 halfhalo: ping Aug 19 04:34:02 hld on, in sc2 game Aug 19 04:34:09 sure Aug 19 04:34:30 halfhalo: does it alert you when someone says your name? Aug 19 04:34:37 haha Aug 19 04:34:39 halfhalo: I bet that makes starcaft2 hard Aug 19 04:34:40 si Aug 19 04:34:43 halfhalo: really hard Aug 19 04:34:52 different computers Aug 19 04:34:53 :p Aug 19 04:35:03 heh Aug 19 04:42:16 halfhalo: nm, I may have figured it out Aug 19 04:50:24 where can i see sample code to make an image clickable and like pannable Aug 19 04:52:23 to make an image clickable just put a listener on the containing div.. Aug 19 04:52:34 and pannable requires a scroller set to "free" Aug 19 04:52:42 google that last one Aug 19 04:53:10 scroller widget* Aug 19 04:55:20 graci Aug 19 04:56:37 whats a good open source free tool to record video of like something Aug 19 04:56:41 i gotta record the emulator doign stuff Aug 19 04:57:27 jing Aug 19 05:06:14 Anivrom: Ping Aug 19 05:06:14 WHOA, my code worked on my third try... usually takes an hour to debug Aug 19 05:07:50 kesne:.. Aug 19 05:07:59 Anivrom: The Minigame Aug 19 05:08:10 Tibfib: I had 5 subtle errors in a block of code earlier, took 5 launches to get it right lol Aug 19 05:08:11 Anivrom: Do you want sounds? Aug 19 05:08:18 sure if you wanna include Aug 19 05:08:44 Anivrom: two errors, forgot a bracket, didn't capitalized something. BOOM Aug 19 05:10:03 odd this button is not showing up at all Aug 19 05:10:05 and i get no errors Aug 19 05:10:10 copied it from http://webos101.com/Button Aug 19 05:10:22
Aug 19 05:11:23 did you set it up? Aug 19 05:11:59 this.controller.setupWidget('activityButton', this.activityButton.attributes, this.activityButton.model); Aug 19 05:12:05 is 'activityButton' the button id? Aug 19 05:12:10 or the type of widget? Aug 19 05:12:31 its gotta be the id ? Aug 19 05:12:50 id or name Aug 19 05:12:57 yeap its the id Aug 19 05:15:04 odd now the functino is not running .. or logging is broken Aug 19 05:15:20 I'm going with the former Aug 19 05:16:09 nope .. not seeing logs Aug 19 05:17:36 yea odd Aug 19 05:17:43 loggint works in the emu not the phone though Aug 19 05:17:44 ohwell Aug 19 05:18:01 yeah, you have to set log level on the phone Aug 19 05:18:03 try lumberjack Aug 19 05:18:07 it's new and exciting Aug 19 05:18:19 dekan: lumberjack Aug 19 05:18:21 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Lumberjack Aug 19 05:24:19 ULTIMATE QUESTION Aug 19 05:24:21 com.palm.app.facebook Aug 19 05:24:29 when launching are there params i can pass to preset a facebook share :-D Aug 19 05:24:39 yes Aug 19 05:24:56 snippets Aug 19 05:24:57 snippets is http://webos101.com/Code_Snippets Aug 19 05:25:23 holy god Aug 19 05:26:20 oh god Aug 19 05:26:28 im gonna basically rape both of you Aug 19 05:27:10 who's both? Aug 19 05:28:25 hg ,gv,hvg,c,fgh Aug 19 05:37:58 Should I work on Checkers? Aug 19 05:43:19 alabama arkansas Aug 19 05:43:51 whatcha writing it in kesne ? Aug 19 05:44:05 acidjazz: In awesome Aug 19 05:44:11 With a little bit of amazing mixed it Aug 19 05:44:13 *in Aug 19 05:44:54 i do love my maw and paw Aug 19 05:44:55 :( Aug 19 05:45:03 oh, I've heard of awesome Aug 19 05:45:05 is that procedural? Aug 19 05:46:23 acidjazz: kesne wrote his own graphics platform similiar to opengl except 3 times faster on average Aug 19 05:46:38 Yeah Aug 19 05:46:42 you need to learn his proprietary language though Aug 19 05:46:57 kinda like c++ only 3 times easier on average Aug 19 05:46:58 And It's got graphics that are, on average, around 2 times better than DirectX 11 Aug 19 05:47:02 Here Aug 19 05:47:06 I give you an example Aug 19 05:47:18 Here is how you make a 3D car render, with lights and controls: Aug 19 05:47:41 make car, add lights, make lights pretty, add controls wasd Aug 19 05:47:43 Simple Aug 19 05:47:47 Just type that in the console Aug 19 05:48:04 Writing programs you throw the console commands into a string and push it through the interpreter. Aug 19 05:48:58 Which generates a viewport for AwesomeView and pushes the rendered material on it. Aug 19 05:49:27 It's all software rendered too, and quite efficient so the CPU strain is relatively low Aug 19 05:49:51 It's also designed for webOS, which allows it to take controll of things like the back gesture Aug 19 05:49:58 you had me until you said software rendered... Aug 19 05:50:05 to listen to it, just add an if statement: Aug 19 05:50:19 if backgesture then do cool stuff with my car. Aug 19 05:50:22 Bedtime...... Aug 19 05:50:23 for me Aug 19 05:50:28 Anivrom: It's really good, actually Aug 19 05:50:55 goodnight pplz Aug 19 05:51:58 how much do I have to pay you all to start a jam session to Home in a webOS channel Aug 19 06:05:36 torchie: $1000 Aug 19 06:07:10 deal Aug 19 06:07:44 goodnight Aug 19 06:07:44 night night, Tibfib Aug 19 06:10:48 mongo is slow on my shared host Aug 19 06:19:43 sugardave: Serves you right! Aug 19 06:27:57 morning Aug 19 06:29:39 swiss Aug 19 06:30:00 it should be here within a week Aug 19 06:30:49 swisstomcat: PING! Aug 19 06:31:08 pong Aug 19 07:08:53 * rwhitby notices a new app catalog app called "Sea Bird" which has a background picture of clouds behind the RSS feed article text that you're trying to read, and the clouds make the text harder to read. Aug 19 07:09:48 rwhitby: Lol Aug 19 07:52:00 kesne: dood thats hot Aug 19 07:52:04 ? Aug 19 07:52:15 kesne: just read scroll Aug 19 07:52:24 acidjazz: What? Aug 19 07:52:27 hey acidjazz .. still here? Aug 19 07:52:30 kinda whats up Aug 19 07:52:44 drinking .. celebrating my beta presentation of the app ou guys helped me write Aug 19 07:52:55 works happy Aug 19 07:53:05 cool Aug 19 07:53:10 kesne: i just read that scroll.. of what you made Aug 19 07:53:11 so you figured out the divider stuff? Aug 19 07:55:57 yea works perfect Aug 19 07:56:08 i also modded the css/images to make my own and match the colors of the app design Aug 19 08:01:32 acidjazz: do a writeup for webos101.com Aug 19 08:10:09 swisstomcat: good idea .. will do. Aug 19 08:10:36 thx .. that way everyone can learn from your example Aug 19 08:23:08 Im out Aug 19 08:23:12 spent the day doing nothing Aug 19 08:23:13 later Aug 19 10:32:21 rehi Aug 19 11:42:22 morning all Aug 19 11:44:36 morning lonestar Aug 19 11:52:38 just made output code 43% smaller, by adding classes, and not hard-coding style in code Aug 19 11:54:18 2079 chars before --> 1185 chars new system Aug 19 11:55:27 bobchatter? Aug 19 11:58:39 yeag Aug 19 11:59:18 on large conversations, it will really make a different Aug 19 12:00:00 different->difference Aug 19 12:09:00 http://bobchatter.com/im/sonido/tmp/12b8f1ad7a50d3e9aae0a43a51b74c67.mp3 Aug 19 13:49:46 Anybody know what this error in the log is? Aug 19 13:49:50 palm-webos-device user.crit LunaSysMgr: {LunaSysMgrJS}: com.palm.app.clock: Error: launching for update, palmInitFramework347:2528 Aug 19 13:52:21 no Aug 19 13:53:24 Running out of places to check. Tried through Palm Chat and they didn't even know about ares.palm.com/AresLog. Then the pointed me to the developer site. Aug 19 14:00:59 what is the problem? Aug 19 14:01:02 is this a problem with the clock app or just something you saw in the log? Aug 19 14:05:31 Just something I'm seeing in the log, like every 5-10 minutes. Aug 19 14:57:40 bbl Aug 19 14:59:23 Subway had a promotion today 7-10am free breakfast sandwich and coffee so like a good soldier I went to 3 different subways and got 3 breakfasts haha woot Aug 19 15:18:26 And how is everyone doing this evening/morning/afternoon? Aug 19 15:19:27 not bad Aug 19 15:19:30 well thanks Aug 19 15:19:31 u Aug 19 15:19:32 and good idea on the breakfast ;) Aug 19 15:19:56 good Aug 19 15:20:05 mornin all Aug 19 15:22:54 morning Aug 19 15:23:56 Haha Aug 19 15:24:24 Yea it was great, I was full by th second one but got a third anyways Aug 19 15:33:04 Anivrom|pre: NICE Aug 19 15:33:41 moooooooooooooooooooorning Aug 19 15:34:29 good morning maik Aug 19 15:37:00 Well, this may just be worth... two in the bush Aug 19 15:53:01 Ctladvance: what's your app/s again? Aug 19 15:53:29 seecrit Aug 19 15:53:37 :) Aug 19 15:53:45 Oh, do you have any published? Aug 19 15:53:51 yes Aug 19 15:53:55 13 I think Aug 19 15:54:03 Noice Aug 19 15:54:07 Any I would know? Aug 19 15:54:52 bing wallpaper search Aug 19 15:54:56 brush stroke pro Aug 19 15:55:01 obama bobble head Aug 19 15:55:41 Oic Aug 19 15:56:23 What are you working on now? ;) Aug 19 15:59:04 seecrit project Aug 19 15:59:18 using PDK Aug 19 15:59:48 Pdk...yum Aug 19 15:59:57 I also have to update a few of my other maps Aug 19 16:00:28 I'm so doing a pdk app next Aug 19 16:15:43 Darn these elevators Aug 19 16:19:46 Hahahaha "I don't even know if nancy pelosi is smart enough to do a google search" Aug 19 16:28:47 halfhalo: mongo is slower than molasses on my webhost...it's crazy Aug 19 16:36:01 good morning chuqui Aug 19 16:36:08 sugardave: morning! Aug 19 16:39:02 Oh hi sugardave I'm good thanks :) you? Aug 19 16:39:38 GooooooooooD MORNING ANI-VROMMMMMM Aug 19 16:39:52 It's about 1000 F here today Aug 19 16:39:57 hah Aug 19 16:40:06 it's my daughter's 12th b-day today Aug 19 16:40:12 she's opening presents Aug 19 16:40:21 Nice! Aug 19 16:40:31 Easybake I hope Aug 19 16:40:42 Every kid needs an easy bake Aug 19 16:40:50 she got that long ago, made about 3 cakes and shunned it forever Aug 19 16:41:00 sugardave, thanks for the warning, i suppose that gives a day or two before that heat comes this way (east) Aug 19 16:41:01 I need an easy bake :( Aug 19 16:41:12 flea: stock up on ice Aug 19 16:41:18 haha Aug 19 16:41:27 this summer has been downright oppressive Aug 19 16:42:02 dunno if you have the humidity like here in the south-east, its been sickly Aug 19 16:42:44 Rawr I live in canada, its so hot here my igloo started melting... And I had to put the sleigh dogs away Aug 19 16:44:12 Nyceane: ni hao Aug 19 16:44:23 flea: our humidity is about 50-55% normally...but I travel to Houston/Beaumont where the humidity is closer to 200%, so I know what you mean Aug 19 16:44:32 hah Aug 19 16:44:37 flea: where are you? Aug 19 16:44:44 it's been pretty horrendous in dallas Aug 19 16:44:53 hi Anivrom =D Aug 19 16:44:53 i think we had 30 days in a row over 100F before yesterday Aug 19 16:45:29 Up here its qbout 80% on average. Right beside a lake Aug 19 16:45:41 bougyman raleigh Aug 19 16:46:10 not as bad as georgia thank god Aug 19 16:47:02 went to airborne school in columbus, ga in august years ago... i'll take middle-east desert weather any day over that Aug 19 16:48:30 yeah i didn't mind the heat growing up in the mojave desert. Aug 19 16:48:38 probably because I grew up in the mojave desert. Aug 19 16:48:46 spent some time there @ irwin Aug 19 16:48:49 was good weather Aug 19 16:48:50 but houston at 85% is more unbearable than mojave was at 120F Aug 19 16:49:07 little nosebleed/lip chapping action at first but after that i got used to it Aug 19 16:49:13 er 85F with 85% humidity Aug 19 16:49:22 yeah chapstick is a must in the desert. Aug 19 16:49:50 where are you bougyman? Aug 19 16:49:55 dallas Aug 19 16:50:01 live in arlington, work in dallas. Aug 19 16:50:40 neat, u get oppressive winters and oppressive summers Aug 19 16:50:59 and that's it Aug 19 16:51:05 a week of spring and a few days of fall. Aug 19 16:51:14 haha Aug 19 16:51:37 great for y vegetable garden Aug 19 16:52:56 did you grow up near barstow? Aug 19 16:53:08 that place is ... desolate .. aka (nice) Aug 19 16:54:21 i just brought my 2 lamp servers back online after ~2 years offline, they're both gentoo .. so i'm probably going to be 200% busy for the next day or month Aug 19 16:55:29 quad pII and dual pIII .. paint will dry faster than these compiles :( Aug 19 16:56:02 i grep up in mojave, went to mojave high. Aug 19 16:56:10 about 12 miles west of edwards A.F.B. Aug 19 16:56:18 we played barstow in football :) Aug 19 16:56:46 flea: aha, a gentoo comrade Aug 19 16:57:40 scary Aug 19 16:57:46 people really use genpoo? Aug 19 16:57:56 I assume they just haven't found arch or lfs. Aug 19 16:58:17 bougyman: arch is totally different in almost all respects Aug 19 16:58:29 and lfs... takes a different stance on what is mutual Aug 19 16:58:56 you're right, i like the differences. Aug 19 16:59:29 i've never seen such poor Q/A on an open source project than gentoo outside of perhaps asterisk. Aug 19 17:00:02 its elitist in many ways Aug 19 17:00:12 it used to be different, way different... the gentoo wiki used to be a primary source for any os Aug 19 17:00:15 everyones expected to be able to support themselves to a strong degree Aug 19 17:00:22 after the crash, yea it went downhill Aug 19 17:00:36 and irc got flooded with the most noob issues Aug 19 17:00:46 taking focus away from the real tricky issues Aug 19 17:01:21 i've ran gentoo on desktops and servers since 2003 Aug 19 17:01:43 but when win7 came out i abandonded linux entirely as a desktop Aug 19 17:01:50 tired of fighting a losing battle :/ Aug 19 17:01:58 me too, something around that year, I guess Aug 19 17:02:12 but mostly because i have pro-audio gear that ... will never work in linux Aug 19 17:02:16 though I'm totally lost on windows machines and actually rarely run into problems on linux... Aug 19 17:02:21 i bailed on gentoo at 2001.4 when perl and python both broke. Aug 19 17:02:23 same :) Aug 19 17:02:30 @ madnificent Aug 19 17:02:42 i've been mostly debian since 95, but arch these days, just not in produciton yet. Aug 19 17:02:43 2004.1 Aug 19 17:02:44 either case, I guess this is offtopic :) Aug 19 17:02:52 before 2004.x it was gentoo 1.x Aug 19 17:02:56 we'll have to move to something different before squeeze releases. Aug 19 17:02:59 it'll probably be arch. Aug 19 17:03:07 flea: yes, my dyslexia, 2004.1 Aug 19 17:03:31 that was also the change from 2.4 to 2.6 era Aug 19 17:03:38 a hard time to get into gentoo Aug 19 17:03:38 debubtu is going to force upstart now. Aug 19 17:03:51 screw upstart Aug 19 17:04:02 i've been runit for my PID 1 for a decade, not going to change now. Aug 19 17:04:17 arch is one distribution that runit has no problem managing. Aug 19 17:09:14 i cant believe my poweredge 6100 kept the hw clock ! i must've changed that battery else there is no other explanation Aug 19 17:12:19 dekan: funkantron is Bring in 'da noise, bring in 'da Funkatron! Aug 19 17:12:19 Okay, sugardave. Aug 19 17:15:11 whaddido? Aug 19 17:15:42 nuffin Aug 19 17:15:45 dekan: funkatron Aug 19 17:15:46 So's your face. Aug 19 17:15:51 oh shit Aug 19 17:16:01 dekan: funkatron is Bring in 'da noise, bring in 'da Funkatron! Aug 19 17:16:02 Okay, sugardave. Aug 19 17:16:13 maik: delete factoid funkantron (misspelled) Aug 19 17:16:20 dekan: funkatron Aug 19 17:16:21 Bring in 'da noise, bring in 'da Funkatron! Aug 19 17:16:24 that's better Aug 19 17:16:34 excellent Aug 19 17:18:30 fyi: there are a couple of PDK contracts at Elance, presumably from people trying to cash in on the hot apps contest Aug 19 17:19:55 Why not just publish it yourself and make all the money? Aug 19 17:20:45 I don't do PDK, plus there's no guarantee I'd make it into the money spots...however, writing it for someone else is guaranteed money and they can shoulder the other risk Aug 19 17:21:00 * madnificent is still sad he can't compete in the contest Aug 19 17:23:12 hehe Aug 19 17:23:19 sugardave: ++ Aug 19 17:23:27 :) Aug 19 17:27:05 maik: say hello Aug 19 17:27:05 Hello! Aug 19 17:27:22 maik: CTLAdvance Aug 19 17:27:23 CTLAdvance eats to escape his problems as \I always do Aug 19 17:27:36 maik: delete factoid CTLAdvance Aug 19 17:27:44 okay, devs, if you're hitting the "cannot save your app submission at this time" error in the dev portal, info on a workaround is now here; http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?p=37767#p37767 Aug 19 17:28:00 we're working on a real fix, but this will hopefully get you past it for now. Aug 19 17:28:10 maik: list CTLAdvance Aug 19 17:28:20 dekan: list CTLAdvance Aug 19 17:28:21 Error 42: Factoid not in database. Please contact administrator of current universe. Aug 19 17:28:32 dekan:CTLAdvance Aug 19 17:28:32 CTLAdvance eats to escape his problems as \I always do Aug 19 17:28:52 grin Aug 19 17:29:26 hmmm...I wonder if it's time to start looking at moving to a vps Aug 19 17:29:55 for Aug 19 17:31:11 Chuqui: yay Aug 19 17:31:38 chuqui! Aug 19 17:31:38 "LOOK, A PUPPY!!" Aug 19 17:32:00 and sparkly ponies! Aug 19 17:32:42 CTLAdvance: for anything...it's probably not time yet, but I don't want to screw myself if I get lucky over the next few feature adds and suddenly can't service app requests Aug 19 17:33:24 specifically, I'm looking at mongodb and it is dog slow on my webhost...like really bad. 30+ seconds to run through the test of adding some data, reading it, etc. Aug 19 17:34:25 sugardave: Are you on a low memory system? Aug 19 17:34:43 Robdor: probably, plus I had to resort to using a prebuilt binary Aug 19 17:34:54 and I have no idea how many other users are on it Aug 19 17:35:06 sugardave: low memory != mongodbs world Aug 19 17:35:11 yeah Aug 19 17:35:20 neither is 32bit for serious work Aug 19 17:35:44 it is 64-bit at least Aug 19 17:36:05 sugardave: I blame upi Aug 19 17:36:10 brb, restart :/ Aug 19 17:36:29 it's smoking fast on my local machine Aug 19 17:36:36 that's it, I'm going to study. If I stop slacking off, I might still have time to write an object system Aug 19 17:36:45 go go go Aug 19 17:37:02 gone! Aug 19 17:37:06 procrastinate! Aug 19 17:37:13 YAY Aug 19 17:37:24 hard work may pay off eventually, but procrastination always pays now! Aug 19 17:37:32 Yup Aug 19 17:39:05 TOTALLY just types mah password on the wrong computer Aug 19 17:39:23 * DougReeder waves hello Aug 19 17:39:33 uh-oh....password change process initiated Aug 19 17:39:52 Nah, didn't hit enter Aug 19 17:39:52 hi DougReeder Aug 19 17:39:55 lol Aug 19 17:40:03 at least you didn't type it into the chat Aug 19 17:40:12 CTLAdvance: list dekan Aug 19 17:40:36 maik: please delete funkantron (notice the extra n there) Aug 19 17:40:49 Why is it so much work to merge two code branches that I both created? Aug 19 17:40:59 Because? Aug 19 17:41:04 Borderlands Time! Aug 19 17:41:05 dekan: funkantron Aug 19 17:41:06 A thousand apologies, effendi, but I do not understand. Aug 19 17:41:10 yay Aug 19 17:41:11 sugardave: huh? Aug 19 17:41:11 thanks Aug 19 17:41:12 You're welcome, sugardave! Aug 19 17:41:32 maik Aug 19 17:41:33 it wasn't there? Aug 19 17:41:35 wth? Aug 19 17:41:43 :D Aug 19 17:41:44 can you delete the facts for CTLAdvance... Aug 19 17:41:52 dekan: literal CTLAdvance Aug 19 17:41:52 CTLAdvance (#288) eats to escape his problems|(#289) CTLAdvance likes to eat.|(#297) eats to escape his problems as \I always do Aug 19 17:42:01 :) Aug 19 17:42:05 CTLAdvance: nope Aug 19 17:42:06 Has the submission bug been fixed for anyone? Aug 19 17:42:11 :D Aug 19 17:42:14 bah Aug 19 17:42:21 DougReeder: chuqui just posted a link to a workaround Aug 19 17:42:36 http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?p=37767#p37767 Aug 19 17:43:58 Ugh. That is such a lame workaround. Aug 19 17:44:28 you cant delete my factoids Aug 19 17:44:34 do I have to call dkirker Aug 19 17:44:41 :) Aug 19 17:44:42 DougReeder: yes, but it's bettter than dead in the water until we fix the portal Aug 19 17:44:51 what's going on? Aug 19 17:44:58 CTLAdvance: you didn't set your factoid, someone else did. who am i to deny someone's creativity Aug 19 17:45:03 hahaha Aug 19 17:45:13 -chuqui Mmmm, no comment. Aug 19 17:45:30 i'll not be abusing my administrative powers for the needs of the weak Aug 19 17:45:32 and hey, I hid a sparkly pony in the sample code. don't I get credit for that, at least? Aug 19 17:45:35 No, no. I guess not. Aug 19 17:45:45 yeah, kinda lame. oh well Aug 19 17:45:46 i want a sparkly pony!!! Aug 19 17:45:48 dekan is causing issues Aug 19 17:45:52 he needs to be blocked Aug 19 17:45:59 anyone here have a webos device with them and willing to test something for me? Aug 19 17:46:02 dkirker: CTLAdvance is whining Aug 19 17:46:08 oh boy.... Aug 19 17:46:10 MOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM Aug 19 17:46:14 dkirker, maik needs to be blocked as well Aug 19 17:46:19 I'll deal with this after my meeting with my boss Aug 19 17:46:27 if dekan becomes an issue, he'll have to go Aug 19 17:46:28 * CTLAdvance hands dkirker the ban hammer Aug 19 17:46:36 dkirker: CTLAdvance is a liar Aug 19 17:47:10 no im not Aug 19 17:47:23 stop lying Aug 19 17:47:28 (no installation required for my testing) Aug 19 17:47:28 * oilsworkn is telling Aug 19 17:47:30 your causing an issue Aug 19 17:47:34 we need to ban maik Aug 19 17:47:35 as well Aug 19 17:47:39 CTLAdvance: it's "you're" Aug 19 17:47:42 my causing an issue? Aug 19 17:47:59 such fury Aug 19 17:48:09 shun the non-believer Aug 19 17:48:12 shuuuuun Aug 19 17:48:18 I already commited my bugfix release to Subversion -- I don't want to bump the version number again. Aug 19 17:48:22 HattCzech why type ' Aug 19 17:48:29 HattCzech_work: whatcha need? Aug 19 17:48:31 nm Aug 19 17:48:32 i see Aug 19 17:48:40 maik: you on your way to candy mountain? Aug 19 17:48:41 CTLAdvance: because people think you're stupid if you don't or appear to know the difference Aug 19 17:48:44 maik and dkirker need to go Aug 19 17:48:54 oilsworkn: ya, come on oilsworkn, let's gooooooo Aug 19 17:49:08 * oilsworkn is not letting you take his kidney Aug 19 17:49:10 big rock candy mountain? I love that place Aug 19 17:49:17 heh Aug 19 17:49:29 its fuckin irc, if you really care Aug 19 17:49:31 kill yourself Aug 19 17:49:34 ohh Aug 19 17:49:37 sorry, where did that come from Aug 19 17:49:43 * oilsworkn thinks someone needs a time-out Aug 19 17:49:53 im going away for 5 minutes Aug 19 17:49:58 but ill be back Aug 19 17:50:02 Chuq, thanks for the workaround; it is better than nothing. But is there an ETA for a real fix? Aug 19 17:50:05 CTLAdvance.setTimeout({}.bind(this), 1800000); Aug 19 17:50:05 haha Aug 19 17:50:24 sugardave: nice Aug 19 17:50:29 CTLAdvance: i didn't say i cared. i told you why you should care Aug 19 17:50:49 and I told you what people should do if they actually care Aug 19 17:50:55 esp in irc Aug 19 17:51:06 HattCzech_work: hello? Aug 19 17:51:11 that's fine, then i'll continue on thinking you're stupid :) Aug 19 17:51:11 are you there man?! Aug 19 17:51:22 sugardave: unfortunately for us, someone used kesne.setInterval() a while ago and he keeps showing up xD Aug 19 17:51:31 ooops Aug 19 17:51:38 the difference is subtle Aug 19 17:51:41 yet so important :D Aug 19 17:51:45 someone name an unsuccessful advertising campaign Aug 19 17:51:49 :) so bee itt Aug 19 17:51:50 your stupid! Aug 19 17:51:58 maik: kin Aug 19 17:52:01 maik: OS/2 Warp Aug 19 17:52:02 where's my stupid? Aug 19 17:52:03 Woot I'm going on vacation for a week starting tomorrow. And my 1 yr anniversary is on saturday Aug 19 17:52:08 nice! Aug 19 17:52:16 maik: exactly :) Aug 19 17:52:26 i'm going on a mini vacation this weekend to utah Aug 19 17:52:32 Anivrom|pre is married? Aug 19 17:52:33 just 3 days Aug 19 17:52:47 oilsworkn: absolutely Aug 19 17:53:04 my whole world is out of balance now Aug 19 17:53:16 up is down and down is up! Aug 19 17:53:19 My wife is Kal if you've ever seen her in here. She onl joins when she wants to keep tabs on me Aug 19 17:53:26 HattCzech_work: you're back! Aug 19 17:53:27 hmmm, stupid work internet Aug 19 17:53:27 lol Aug 19 17:53:38 hah Aug 19 17:53:44 cut off after "shun the non-believers!" Aug 19 17:53:49 Anivrom|pre: married life kicks ass right? Aug 19 17:53:51 you missed all the good parts Aug 19 17:53:56 i know! Aug 19 17:53:56 ALL of them Aug 19 17:54:01 Married life is amazing Aug 19 17:54:02 Anivrom|pre: does she make sandwiches? Aug 19 17:54:05 * pandora-- just got hitched 6 months ago Aug 19 17:54:12 oilsworkn: if I ask for them Aug 19 17:54:13 and that didn't go through :( Aug 19 17:54:18 i even tried to "shuuuuuuunnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn... nnnnnnn!" Aug 19 17:54:31 everyone who was in here (while you were gone) is guaranteed to get a Hurricane Aug 19 17:54:40 for free Aug 19 17:54:40 I get anything if I ask for it Aug 19 17:54:43 SOB! Aug 19 17:54:43 * oilsworkn wishes he had a sandwich making machine Aug 19 17:54:44 hahah Aug 19 17:54:49 haha Aug 19 17:54:59 anyone willing to test something on their phone? Aug 19 17:55:02 yes Aug 19 17:55:05 what up? Aug 19 17:55:16 I just love my wife enoug to ask within reason Aug 19 17:55:28 HattCzech_work: memememem Aug 19 17:55:43 send a text message to the same contact (with 2 mobile numbers) Aug 19 17:55:53 :O Aug 19 17:55:57 example: ... Aug 19 17:56:04 Lol Aug 19 17:56:09 I don't have any friends, much les friends with 2 mobile #s Aug 19 17:56:19 Roight Aug 19 17:56:30 sugardave: you can add me as a friend :) Aug 19 17:56:42 though i only have one mobile number Aug 19 17:56:48 hahaha Aug 19 17:56:55 HattCzech_work: you're screwed Aug 19 17:57:28 just give one contact the numbers from two contacts Aug 19 17:57:32 Heh Aug 19 17:57:37 they don't have to be the same persons phone, do they? Aug 19 17:57:37 oh, well sure Aug 19 17:58:23 I'm just messing with him, I have to go to the store anyway...and I bet he's been disco'd again Aug 19 17:58:26 hahahaha Aug 19 17:58:35 POS work internet Aug 19 17:58:46 * oilsworkn imagines HattCzech getting "disco'd" Aug 19 17:58:54 *lights flash* Aug 19 17:59:01 he reappears with a fro and white bellbottoms Aug 19 17:59:10 haha Aug 19 17:59:12 lol, definitely no fro Aug 19 17:59:26 but the bellbottoms... Aug 19 17:59:31 HattCzech_work: you've missed your window, I got to go Aug 19 17:59:32 bbl Aug 19 17:59:34 chuqui ping Aug 19 17:59:34 and a coat with no shirt Aug 19 17:59:35 no, not those either :) Aug 19 17:59:38 zipped half-way down Aug 19 17:59:40 and big gold chains Aug 19 17:59:42 hahaha Aug 19 18:00:24 digitalpowers: pong Aug 19 18:00:47 okay, so can anyone test that for me? :/ Aug 19 18:01:01 chuqui: just wanted to let you know if they did do an update yesterday it still didnt fix uploading Aug 19 18:01:23 digitalpowers: no, still working on it. but info and workaround is here: http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=8387&p=37767#p37767 Aug 19 18:01:36 ooh workaround, thanks Aug 19 18:01:36 Ares automatically puts the icon in root folder... Aug 19 18:02:10 lets see how long this lasts :/ Aug 19 18:02:19 * oilsworkn starts stopwatch Aug 19 18:02:29 haha, thanks Aug 19 18:02:56 i have to say, the addition of recaptcha to webchat is annoying Aug 19 18:03:19 so anyone willing to text spam someone so they can test for me? :) Aug 19 18:03:25 i agree Aug 19 18:03:47 (you can even text spam yourself if it makes you happy) Aug 19 18:04:10 although, the messages will probably not go through, so there will be no spamming Aug 19 18:05:07 alrighty... im back Aug 19 18:05:25 chuqui thanks for that work around info Aug 19 18:05:27 your back? Aug 19 18:05:27 hmmm, not a helpful crowd today, eh? ;) Aug 19 18:05:41 lol oilsworkn Aug 19 18:06:14 HattCzech_work: i have no will to annow people with texts :) Aug 19 18:06:17 hmmm, odd Aug 19 18:06:21 annoy* Aug 19 18:06:39 like i said, it most likely will not go through Aug 19 18:06:48 (based on my testing) Aug 19 18:06:59 you were gone? Aug 19 18:07:16 who was? Aug 19 18:07:30 whoa! talk about delay Aug 19 18:07:42 what now? Aug 19 18:07:47 that you were gone was sent when CTLAdvance said he was back Aug 19 18:08:11 wow Aug 19 18:08:12 ah Aug 19 18:08:19 ahaha! your the man chuqui! Aug 19 18:08:26 and then it popped up on the pre Aug 19 18:08:26 i was just about to ask if anyone saw that message Aug 19 18:08:35 no I was watching, on a call :) Aug 19 18:08:36 rehi Aug 19 18:08:44 hey swiss Aug 19 18:08:56 nothing like debating while on a conf call Aug 19 18:08:59 on irc Aug 19 18:09:02 great, so now some of my messages are out of order Aug 19 18:09:30 * oilsworkn quickly blames halfhalo Aug 19 18:09:41 totally Aug 19 18:09:56 or, puffy doesn't hang out in #webos Aug 19 18:10:00 its puffys fault! Aug 19 18:10:45 hmmm, oilsworkn, you may need to stop the stopwatch Aug 19 18:11:01 hah Aug 19 18:11:07 8 mins Aug 19 18:11:44 horrible... I don't know what crap they have at work, but it makes many things intolerable Aug 19 18:11:45 digitalpowers: (looks inside shirt) yes, I guess I am! Aug 19 18:11:48 maik, do you live in washington Aug 19 18:11:57 why? Aug 19 18:12:13 hey chuqui, one suggestion for palm, why can't palm have active installs? Aug 19 18:12:15 yes*, why? Aug 19 18:12:18 he is going to stalk you Aug 19 18:12:27 all these challenges should be based on active installs rather than just "installs" Aug 19 18:12:31 i think he might be mad that i'm not deleting the factoids about him Aug 19 18:12:37 * oilsworkn is also in washington Aug 19 18:12:41 nice Aug 19 18:12:47 but i think this was brought up before Aug 19 18:12:48 oilsworkn: where? Aug 19 18:12:51 yakima Aug 19 18:12:56 no way Aug 19 18:12:58 i'm in Pullman Aug 19 18:13:05 yeah, we did talk about this before, lol Aug 19 18:13:09 heh :) Aug 19 18:15:19 active installs? Aug 19 18:17:47 as opposed to inactive installs. get with it chuqui Aug 19 18:17:58 oh, yeah. right. sorry Aug 19 18:18:03 lol Aug 19 18:18:24 sorry. fighting my inbox this morning. It's winning. Aug 19 18:19:27 * oilsworkn can only imagine the amount of email/spam chuqui gets Aug 19 18:19:51 its probably measured in gigs Aug 19 18:19:52 much less than I did at a previous job. but it takes longer to properly handle. Aug 19 18:27:14 hey chuqui Aug 19 18:27:42 swisstomcat: ping Aug 19 18:27:49 pong Aug 19 18:28:03 syn ack Aug 19 18:28:22 SOH Aug 19 18:28:29 ETX Aug 19 18:29:35 some of my apps only have 35% active installs Aug 19 18:29:43 that kinda sucks =( Aug 19 18:30:06 35% active installs? Aug 19 18:30:08 chuqui: yes? Aug 19 18:30:21 yah =| Aug 19 18:30:56 metrix or something? Aug 19 18:32:31 Not necessarily a bug -- I have half a dozen apps I downloaded during the Summer Half Off, that I haven't run yet. Aug 19 18:32:57 swisstomcat: oh, I thought you were pinging me. Aug 19 18:33:23 oh, and i thought you were pinging me Aug 19 18:33:25 ah. in box down from 170 (when I woke up) to under 100. Aug 19 18:34:13 * oilsworkn claps Aug 19 18:35:22 The App Catalog lowers the barrier to users installing apps -- it doesn't lower the barrier to users actually using apps. Aug 19 18:36:05 i got a support email for one of my apps that was "kiss my ass" Aug 19 18:36:13 oilsworkn: lol :) Aug 19 18:36:17 so i replied with "present it and i will provide" Aug 19 18:36:21 they never responded Aug 19 18:36:42 heh Aug 19 18:37:56 * DougReeder waves goodbye Aug 19 18:38:58 I get a lot of support emails that are completely blank Aug 19 18:39:07 i do as well alex Aug 19 18:39:09 and just say, "sent from my Palm pre" Aug 19 18:39:15 same here Aug 19 18:39:40 yeah, bunches of those Aug 19 18:39:45 sometimes i get ones like "aslfalskfhelkaeflksjef" Aug 19 18:39:50 and i reply with "wlekjrhlkasecjlksef" Aug 19 18:39:56 lol Aug 19 18:40:04 I either get those, or emails where people explain to me a flaw in my game, but the flaw never makes any sense, and I'm pretty sure they're talking about the flaw in their minds Aug 19 18:40:16 cause they are just making it up Aug 19 18:40:21 or the reason they cant beat the game Aug 19 18:40:27 dekan: haiku Aug 19 18:40:28 blames PuffTheMagic / also blames puffthemagic / well, it is his fault Aug 19 18:40:55 haha Aug 19 18:42:10 "an old ad for Rath bacon shows bacon pancakes being made by pouring batter over full strips of cooked bacon. Aug 19 18:42:12 Read More http://www.wired.com/geekdad/2010/08/the-great-bacon-odyssey-extreme-bacon-pancakes/#ixzz0x4wPTtis" Aug 19 18:42:19 wow wired Aug 19 18:42:27 automatically added that to my copying of text Aug 19 18:42:29 impressive! Aug 19 18:42:38 I copied the line above Aug 19 18:42:41 and the second part came with it Aug 19 18:42:48 alexfner: are you using Chrome? Aug 19 18:43:19 So liak rawr n stuf rite Aug 19 18:43:55 alexfner: nevermind Aug 19 18:44:12 YAY NEWEGG Aug 19 18:44:23 Free shipping = next day shipping Aug 19 18:44:26 nope! Aug 19 18:44:54 * oilsworkn <3 newegg Aug 19 18:47:08 dekan: 2**32-1 Aug 19 18:47:09 maik: 4294967295 Aug 19 18:47:24 newegg != amazon Aug 19 18:47:25 fact Aug 19 18:47:34 congratulations...? Aug 19 18:48:07 Once I get profile/cash system/minigames up I think its time for some public beta love Aug 19 18:48:12 alexfner: what an astute observation Aug 19 18:48:16 :) Aug 19 18:49:14 If only my testers actually tested http://forums.precentral.net/2602600-post753.html Aug 19 18:49:32 is the post that spawned lumberjack xD Aug 19 18:50:53 amazon is two days on average Aug 19 18:50:57 newegg is next day Aug 19 18:51:09 new egg is computer parts Aug 19 18:51:13 amazon is everything else Aug 19 18:51:17 yup Aug 19 18:51:30 * oilsworkn made an amazon order the other day Aug 19 18:51:35 a belt Aug 19 18:51:38 a pen Aug 19 18:51:42 and an audio cable Aug 19 18:51:43 lol Aug 19 18:51:47 I agree with oilsworkn Aug 19 18:51:49 * halfhalo made amazon order today. and newegg yesterday Aug 19 18:52:02 except when amazon is cheaper (like a new NAS) :) Aug 19 18:52:03 has anyone figured out a way to add line breaks into your app supmission description? Aug 19 18:52:23 digitalpowers: i dont believe you can Aug 19 18:52:30 weak sauce Aug 19 18:52:32 they strip everything Aug 19 18:52:35 it would be nice, though Aug 19 18:52:37 and \n's don't appear in html Aug 19 18:54:33 woot shape sorter submitted! Aug 19 18:55:39 Who in the what now Aug 19 18:56:46 digitalpowers: grtz! Aug 19 18:57:06 ok i lied, the automated thing kicked it out for having "an executable" and for being of type pdk Aug 19 18:57:10 which seems ironic Aug 19 18:58:01 oh well, i am going to go get some taco thursday, i will figure it out when i get back Aug 19 19:06:06 Gettin dozy.... Aug 19 19:06:35 * HattCzech_pre zzzzzZZZzzz... Aug 19 19:06:40 * Mousey hands Anivrom|pre a pillo Aug 19 19:06:44 * Mousey w and blankie Aug 19 19:06:48 dekan: naplunch Aug 19 19:06:49 * dekan dims the lights and fluffs the pillows. Aug 19 19:07:19 sugardave, ready to test now? :) Aug 19 19:07:52 what am I supposed to do now? Aug 19 19:08:26 find (or make) a contact with two mobile numbers Aug 19 19:08:48 and try to send a text to both numbers at the same time Aug 19 19:09:01 Pass in your life as an arg to his function and see if it can convert it to json for storage. Aug 19 19:09:05 ohh... let me get you a link Aug 19 19:09:30 Effectively terminating the original Aug 19 19:09:32 oh, I need your app? Aug 19 19:09:41 nope Aug 19 19:09:49 okay Aug 19 19:09:54 so regular chat app can do this? Aug 19 19:11:13 dekan: any ideas? Aug 19 19:11:14 kiss it into a wrench and try walking the tiny thing until it works Aug 19 19:11:18 okay Aug 19 19:11:21 I sent a message Aug 19 19:11:26 now what? Aug 19 19:11:32 http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=7675 Aug 19 19:11:37 do I have only 36 hours to live now? Aug 19 19:11:41 did it actually send? Aug 19 19:11:54 I don't think so.... Aug 19 19:11:58 one number was my own Aug 19 19:12:03 and the other is my wife's Aug 19 19:12:12 and I don't hear any noises Aug 19 19:12:22 that's what I expected Aug 19 19:12:39 read that topic, you'll see what I'm talking about Aug 19 19:12:58 I want palm to confirm that it IS a bug Aug 19 19:15:00 bumped Aug 19 19:15:55 awesome, thanks Aug 19 19:16:02 np Aug 19 19:16:29 for your viewer pleasure: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knYCilujrFM Aug 19 19:17:04 "soft" drinks... As opposed to what? "hard" drinks? Aug 19 19:17:25 now now Aug 19 19:17:35 I used to be right into the yo yo Aug 19 19:18:45 that dude probably gets all the chicks Aug 19 19:20:32 hahah "The ShamWow guy is pretty good." Aug 19 19:20:49 Wonder how he gets it to sleep for that long. Aug 19 19:21:04 Must be some crazy lube on that sucker Aug 19 19:21:05 lol Aug 19 19:21:13 ya, pretty freaking amazing Aug 19 19:21:15 dekan: lame! wanna see a yo yo trick? Aug 19 19:21:15 Okay, alexfner. Aug 19 19:21:18 lame! Aug 19 19:21:21 haha Aug 19 19:21:26 awe, not quite long enough Aug 19 19:21:30 Anivrom|pre: lame! Aug 19 19:21:34 bah Aug 19 19:21:36 dekan: lame! Aug 19 19:21:37 wanna see a yo yo trick? Aug 19 19:21:37 dekan: lame! Aug 19 19:21:38 wanna see a yo yo trick? Aug 19 19:21:51 i wasn't sure if he picked up on triggers destined to other people Aug 19 19:21:52 the top comment for that was "I bet he got pussy that night" Aug 19 19:21:55 that is lame! Aug 19 19:21:55 er, short triggers Aug 19 19:22:08 that doesn't work? Aug 19 19:22:14 Dekan: lame! is Alexfner: hey check out my new app Aug 19 19:22:14 Okay, Anivrom|pre. Aug 19 19:22:23 lame! Aug 19 19:22:23 lame! Aug 19 19:22:33 Phail Aug 19 19:22:41 Dekan: lame! Aug 19 19:22:42 Alexfner: hey check out my new app Aug 19 19:22:44 the fail pail is full! Aug 19 19:22:48 Haha Aug 19 19:23:01 oh oho ho! Aug 19 19:23:11 is it necessary to use webos quick install to use preware? Aug 19 19:23:34 Or log into your phone.. Aug 19 19:23:43 I believe so Aug 19 19:23:53 or at least the easiest Aug 19 19:24:19 Easiest yes but apparently not the only option Aug 19 19:24:47 Says rwhitby as of yesterday Aug 19 19:25:05 Anivrom|pre: what other option? Aug 19 19:25:08 Hello! Aug 19 19:25:25 pandora--: I think there's some install script you can run from inside novaterm/ssh Aug 19 19:25:29 Not a bloody clue sir! Aug 19 19:25:42 hey Kesne Aug 19 19:25:48 Hey CTLAdvance! Aug 19 19:26:26 "lets just say we met on an oil rig and were lovers for fifty years" Aug 19 19:26:33 But that's not true.. Aug 19 19:26:42 oh man, I love how preware.org looks like a giant Mojo app in my browser Aug 19 19:26:49 Its a joke! Like a really brilliant joke! Aug 19 19:27:14 oh my Aug 19 19:27:28 and i thought digitalpowers did a good job at www.digitalpowers.com Aug 19 19:27:36 pandora--: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Preware#Installing_Preware_from_the_Commandline Aug 19 19:27:47 granted it's not supposed to be completely Mojo like Preware's site is Aug 19 19:28:11 Bad Request (Invalid Hostname) Aug 19 19:28:13 I like it Aug 19 19:28:14 simple Aug 19 19:28:17 clean Aug 19 19:28:54 yeah Aug 19 19:28:58 very webos like Aug 19 19:29:25 i like the HTTP 400 error Aug 19 19:29:48 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrlSkU0TFLs&feature=youtube_gdata_player Aug 19 19:32:12 So funny Aug 19 19:33:14 what's a good way to promote your app? Aug 19 19:33:27 it seems that everytime i work hard on something, it doesnt get the result i am looking for =( Aug 19 19:33:41 Hey I have a question I posted this in the forum too but thought I ask here I'm on the final compile step for the demo app - but I get the following errors when I run : arm-none-linux-gnueabi-gcc -o simple simple.cpp "-I..\..\..\..\include" "-I..\..\..\..\include\SDL" "-L..\..\..\..\device\lib" -Wl,--allow-shlib-undefined -lSDL -lGLESv2 -lpdl http://ow.ly/i/3iAg Aug 19 19:38:56 Hey I have a question I posted this in the forum too but thought I ask here I'm on the final compile step for the demo app - but I get the following errors when I run : arm-none-linux-gnueabi-gcc -o simple simple.cpp "-I..\..\..\..\include" "-I..\..\..\..\include\SDL" "-L..\..\..\..\device\lib" -Wl,--allow-shlib-undefined -lSDL -lGLESv2 -lpdl http://ow.ly/i/3iAg (resent had to change Nick - cause forgot my real Nicks passwo Aug 19 19:38:56 shows up) Aug 19 19:41:22 eWizardII_dev: webos.pastebin.com please Aug 19 19:41:58 I thought princeton students never had questions, only answers? Aug 19 19:43:06 haha - how can one learn without questioning Aug 19 19:43:15 http://webos.pastebin.com/jYHauVPu here is the pastebin Aug 19 19:43:37 I thought princeton students inherently knew it all :P Aug 19 19:44:09 If we knew all what would be the point of being here in the first place. Aug 19 19:44:39 To get that piece of paper right? Aug 19 19:44:43 ;) Aug 19 19:44:52 * oil printed one of those out on his printer Aug 19 19:45:02 Nah, to further knowledge of course - what is your field? Aug 19 19:45:02 Lol Aug 19 19:45:06 it's right next to my Pope Card Aug 19 19:45:33 * oil didnt know sugardave protects child molesters xD Aug 19 19:45:46 nah, it's a different papal system :D Aug 19 19:45:51 lol Aug 19 19:45:58 chucrh of the subgenius, I think...it's been a long time Aug 19 19:46:55 On the other hand - know why I'm having compiling problems though? Aug 19 19:48:21 eWizardII_dev: I'd help, but I don't know anything about it :D Aug 19 19:49:23 @sugardave Ah okay then maybe someone else will. Aug 19 19:50:44 who's selling a car Aug 19 19:50:46 I need to buy one Aug 19 19:50:56 carmax Aug 19 19:50:58 or drive one for an extended period Aug 19 19:50:59 they sell cars Aug 19 19:54:40 here is a question, I have text in an anchor tag, can I use css so that it cant be selected Aug 19 19:55:33 So wait Anivrom|pre do you know? Aug 19 19:55:48 eWizardII_dev: he doesn't know Aug 19 19:55:57 he uses Ares and writes SDK apps Aug 19 19:56:10 Ah, I see. Aug 19 19:56:16 Ok so whos the smart guy at palm that said "hey I got an idea, lets make the youtube app erase its buffer everytime someone minimizes the card so that they will have to reload the video everytime. Nevermind the fact that they might be offline by that time Aug 19 19:56:16 ... Aug 19 19:56:54 I realized that same thing too - I was like okay that's lame. Aug 19 19:57:40 mmm those were goooood tacos Aug 19 19:57:46 CTLAdvance: just don't use an anchor tag, then it can't be selected Aug 19 19:57:57 Dekan: any ideas? Aug 19 19:57:58 kiss it into a device and try shrieking the iridescent thing until it works Aug 19 19:58:17 so it looks like the 2 errors about my submission being a pdk app and being an executable are just something we email chuqui about Aug 19 19:58:25 Try that ewizard Aug 19 19:59:00 Okay. Aug 19 20:00:43 CTLAdvance: you could "hide" the anchor decoration, but if they tap it, it will still go Aug 19 20:01:08 I don't think you can disable an anchor in css, but I'm barely medium proficient with css at this point in my life Aug 19 20:01:13 digitalpowers he's @palm.com right? just wanted to make sure Aug 19 20:02:30 thanks! Aug 19 20:02:30 You're welcome, CTLAdvance! Aug 19 20:02:42 shut up dekan, or erase my factoids! Aug 19 20:03:02 Sugardave: didn't someone try that before and got it working by disabling all anchors Aug 19 20:03:11 I don't know Aug 19 20:03:34 how do you disable them in css? Aug 19 20:04:25 Can't remember but whoever it wa found a workaround.dont know how pretty it was tough Aug 19 20:04:30 Though either Aug 19 20:04:55 Jus sayin its possible Aug 19 20:05:13 eWizardII_dev who is? chuq? Aug 19 20:05:29 if you absolutely have have them not clickable, I guess you could do some fancy regexp to grab the link text and obliterate the anchor Aug 19 20:05:41 s/have have/have to have/ Aug 19 20:06:10 digitalpowers Yea him. Aug 19 20:06:11 I think since I started with css and have gained negative knowledge since, so I think I'm a little less than incompetant Aug 19 20:07:12 wait Aug 19 20:07:17 Why not just do some ugly text formatting and put a space between www. And domain? Lol Aug 19 20:07:25 why didnt i just leave them in the div... wtf Aug 19 20:07:59 I used the anchor to control the class... it was late when I wrote this Aug 19 20:08:02 * CTLAdvance grin Aug 19 20:08:06 haha Aug 19 20:08:10 Lol Aug 19 20:12:17 Robdor, the glowing sparkles on the balls, are they individually created and animated or is there somethin clever going on there Aug 19 20:12:42 Yeah, the are individually created. It's just a simple particle engine. Aug 19 20:12:59 I see Aug 19 20:13:33 I might do the same, I gtta see how much room I have to play with in my main loop Aug 19 20:14:16 Each ball has a colleciton of particle structs. Based on a random speed and direction I move the particles in each game loop. Aug 19 20:14:51 I got that part figured out : Aug 19 20:15:28 Just didn't know if you did some fancy image based grouping or something Aug 19 20:15:37 I do batch render them Aug 19 20:16:14 eWizardII_dev yeah chuqui is the developer liazion for palm or some such, basically he is the guy we all complain to when stuff doesnt work Aug 19 20:16:20 And I only create a new set of (6 I think) particles every time the ball moves 10 pixels. Aug 19 20:16:41 I see, that's more of a visual fix though Aug 19 20:17:01 has anyone put up a keyword searchable archive of the channel logs? Aug 19 20:17:09 Otherwise you'd be flooded with particles Aug 19 20:17:41 right Aug 19 20:17:47 Assuming 6 per : Aug 19 20:18:28 Could certanly do 3 per and batch every 5 pixels but whatever. 6 of one half dozen of the other Aug 19 20:20:05 Exactly. Because the center of particles is white if I bunched too many together they ended up creating a white blob with colored edges. It looked cool, but wasn't really what I was trying to go for. Performance was still good though. Aug 19 20:21:25 Actually, this is what it looked like: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emhIvNo6XpY Aug 19 20:21:50 I didn't give them a random TTL so it made more of a streak than a sparkle. Aug 19 20:22:28 Yea. That's all its missibg thoigh is randomness Aug 19 20:27:13 Anivrom|pre: So can you spill any details on your game yet? :) Aug 19 20:33:02 Dc'ed Aug 19 20:33:28 Pm email I'll send ipk Aug 19 20:34:17 Anivrom|pre: Hey Aug 19 20:34:26 Hi Aug 19 20:36:23 if anyone wants to try out my pdk game shoot me a pm, i just finished it but i never mind feedback Aug 19 20:40:29 dekan: 13:37 is the new 16:20 Aug 19 20:40:30 Okay, maik. Aug 19 20:42:24 /msg digitalpowers OMG PUHLZEEZ!!??!/11 Aug 19 20:43:21 ooh, Emergency Lights has 6 downloads/day for the past couple of days Aug 19 20:45:51 Digitalpowers aint answerins Aug 19 20:51:32 Dekan: wanna fight? is join the army! Aug 19 20:51:33 Okay, Anivrom|pre. Aug 19 20:51:41 Wanna fight? Aug 19 20:51:42 join the army! Aug 19 20:51:48 Huzzah Aug 19 20:52:26 Shhhh... Aug 19 20:52:41 omg! Aug 19 20:53:13 totally! Aug 19 20:57:20 Interesting game. Graphics may need some polishing. Aug 19 20:57:59 And the screen rotation definitely needs a filter to keep it smooth Aug 19 20:58:11 ok, sub sd video on a 1080p+ screen sucks Aug 19 20:58:18 But very intersting concept. Aug 19 20:58:34 morning Aug 19 20:58:39 murnin Aug 19 20:58:44 Hiiiiiiiiiii Aug 19 20:58:50 howdy everyone Aug 19 20:58:50 UPS needs to be here nao Aug 19 20:58:53 I want my crimper Aug 19 20:59:00 Lulz Aug 19 20:59:15 morning Aug 19 20:59:30 Halfhalo has a hot date and just HAS to have that "look" Aug 19 20:59:43 the crimped look? Aug 19 20:59:46 hi Tibfib, rwhitby Aug 19 20:59:54 hello dkirker Aug 19 20:59:55 Yea Aug 19 21:00:02 Its all the rage Aug 19 21:00:04 hi CTLAdvance Aug 19 21:00:08 Dirka Aug 19 21:00:14 hello Anivrom Aug 19 21:00:14 lol Aug 19 21:00:27 Ctladvance Aug 19 21:00:27 Ctladvance eats to escape his problems as \I always do Aug 19 21:00:33 say Hi everyone! Aug 19 21:00:34 Hi everyone! Aug 19 21:00:35 El oh...el Aug 19 21:00:44 dekan: literal say Aug 19 21:00:45 0x90 Aug 19 21:00:49 dekan: what was that Aug 19 21:00:49 Tibfib: That was 'CTLAdvance' (#297): eats to escape his problems as \I always do Aug 19 21:00:52 Say goodnight kevin Aug 19 21:00:53 Goodnight kevin! Aug 19 21:01:03 "home alone reference" Aug 19 21:02:18 That kid actor kinda disappeared off the planet, resurfacng here and there for smalltime gigs Aug 19 21:02:39 I heard he looks the exact same, just older and creepy Aug 19 21:02:40 * Tibfib googles Aug 19 21:02:45 Haha Aug 19 21:02:54 Older and creepy, noice Aug 19 21:03:48 :O http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2564070144/nm0000346 Aug 19 21:03:57 * Tibfib was right Aug 19 21:04:20 Wow... Aug 19 21:04:31 * Anivrom|pre tibfib WAS right Aug 19 21:05:16 Now who woulda thunk Aug 19 21:10:08 haeffb: ping Aug 19 21:10:25 make me a sandwich Aug 19 21:10:26 * dekan makes a sandwich with lots of sword and Pixi. Aug 19 21:10:33 * Tibfib eats sandwich Aug 19 21:11:49 Can you pass an object as your launch arguments? http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1873&Itemid=244#.showBanner Aug 19 21:12:53 Dekan: make me a cheeseburger Aug 19 21:12:54 One repulsive salami Mojo Sprint phone burger w/ cheese comin' right up! (no charge for the sparkly fries *wink*) Aug 19 21:13:19 * Anivrom|pre 's eyes gloss over looking at sparkly fries Aug 19 21:13:39 Tibfib: common sense says no, but i've never tried Aug 19 21:13:59 dekan, make me a cheesburger $verbs up a $adjective $adjective $noun burger with lots of $noun and a side of $noun Aug 19 21:14:00 Okay, Tibfib. Aug 19 21:14:02 Tibfib: I'm going to go with no Aug 19 21:14:06 dangit. Aug 19 21:14:11 that would be retarded. Aug 19 21:14:22 if you wanted to get fancy, you could make an object and then string it out Aug 19 21:14:42 heh Aug 19 21:14:44 argg, I need to launch different scenes with different parameters with that Aug 19 21:15:23 argv[1].forceJSON Aug 19 21:15:25 er Aug 19 21:15:28 arv[1].evalJSON Aug 19 21:15:31 but you'd have generic code that rebuilds the object and looks for the properties you want Aug 19 21:15:40 +g Aug 19 21:15:41 i give up Aug 19 21:16:35 Was gonna suggest what sugardave said Aug 19 21:16:42 That would work great Aug 19 21:17:08 sugardave: so I'd use the default case? Aug 19 21:17:26 App assistant has switch case for parameters Aug 19 21:17:34 well, I'm guessing this goes to handleLaunch? Aug 19 21:17:39 yeah Aug 19 21:17:48 * Tibfib tries an object anyway Aug 19 21:18:15 * Anivrom|pre waits for it... Aug 19 21:18:40 so, you can handle it however you want...arg[1].evalJSON() like maik said, then maybe your object is like {'launchParmName': 'something', 'launchParmValue': 'load'} Aug 19 21:19:08 and then switch to your heart's content on launchParmName, etc. Aug 19 21:19:12 Tibfib: yes Aug 19 21:19:21 haeffb_pre: you can pass an object? Aug 19 21:19:26 You better be able to Aug 19 21:19:27 yes Aug 19 21:19:34 haeffb_pre: you are awesome Aug 19 21:19:53 yes Aug 19 21:20:10 oh, well that's better then Aug 19 21:21:59 lol Aug 19 21:22:18 "my wife walked in on my wooting-off and i wasn't embarrassed" Aug 19 21:22:38 heh Aug 19 21:25:11 chuqui: any word on my runTextIndexer issue? Aug 19 21:25:45 step 1: cry in corner Aug 19 21:25:53 haeffb: in all honesty, I haven't had a minute to deal with it yet. it's in my inbox and I haven't been able to get to it yet. Aug 19 21:26:05 how far down is your inbox now? Aug 19 21:26:12 lol Aug 19 21:26:14 no problem, just curious. I'm going to submit the app regardless... Aug 19 21:26:39 Chuqui: keep being honest and you'll have my respect everytime Aug 19 21:26:48 Quick question for those who have tried to submit via PDK how much time does it take Palm to approve the app? Aug 19 21:27:10 Anivrom|pre: oh, I'll find some other way to leave you disappointed. I'm sure... Aug 19 21:27:30 the hot tub's too hot Aug 19 21:27:31 haha Aug 19 21:27:39 Hahaha, Aug 19 21:28:06 +respect for that honesty chuqui Aug 19 21:28:16 dekan: tairy greene No, not Little Dancing Man... Little DANSON Man! Aug 19 21:28:17 Okay, alexfner. Aug 19 21:28:30 tairy green? Aug 19 21:29:02 http://lmgtfy.com/?q=tairy+greene Aug 19 21:29:37 the acting seminars for childran are hilarious Aug 19 21:29:39 among other things Aug 19 21:29:54 Tibfib: wait, I didn' tknow you were referring to showBanner Aug 19 21:30:00 nooooooooooo Aug 19 21:30:05 although, I don't know why you wouldn't be able to.. Aug 19 21:30:07 Hahaha Aug 19 21:30:17 dekan: absolut The hot tub's too hot! I'm NOT coming down here any more! Aug 19 21:30:18 Okay, alexfner. Aug 19 21:30:44 * alexfner gives dekan *Tim and Eric, Awesome Show, Great Job!* Aug 19 21:30:44 * dekan now contains *Tim and Eric, Awesome Show, Great Job!*. Aug 19 21:30:45 I'd try it and see if I were you Aug 19 21:31:03 * Tibfib is testing it out Aug 19 21:31:04 dekan: inventory Aug 19 21:31:04 I am carrying a towel, the Hoe of Destruction, dekan, Anivrom's soul, The Sugardavian Guide to 'Stupid Mojo Tricks: Do as I say and not as I do Edition', a smack in the mouth, a swift kick in the ass, a puppy, some quad-ply toilet paper, some ancid salmon of contrition, some more rancid salmon of contrition, and *Tim and Eric, Awesome Show, Great Job!*. Aug 19 21:31:15 dekan: shut up for a bit Aug 19 21:31:16 Okay, Tibfib - be back in a bit! Aug 19 21:32:43 come on people, buy more WD-40 so we can get to the next item :) Aug 19 21:33:21 dekan: what is best in life? is To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women. Aug 19 21:33:22 Okay, sugardave. Aug 19 21:33:28 dekan: what is best in life? Aug 19 21:33:29 To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women. Aug 19 21:34:25 what the crap. Aug 19 21:34:30 dekan: I told you to shut up! Aug 19 21:34:31 Unhand me, defiler! Aug 19 21:34:37 pie Aug 19 21:34:41 howdy everyone Aug 19 21:34:55 scoobysnack Aug 19 21:34:55 Scoobydoobeedoo! Aug 19 21:35:19 botsnack Aug 19 21:35:19 * dekan nom nom nom Aug 19 21:35:24 dkirkersnack Aug 19 21:35:32 botsmack Aug 19 21:35:32 * dekan dodges your attack and parries with a headcrab. Aug 19 21:35:45 Poll: workin hard or hardly workin? Aug 19 21:35:48 Im in a suit, its all good Aug 19 21:35:52 hardly workin Aug 19 21:35:53 both! Aug 19 21:35:57 eating a honeybun Aug 19 21:36:03 wow crazy uploaded an update to the app cat and went live in 24 hours... Aug 19 21:36:12 oh man....I love honeybuns Aug 19 21:36:13 hardly workin hard Aug 19 21:36:21 halfhalo: suits don't matter! remember the scientists!??! they had suits UNDER their lab coats, but did that stop the headcrabs? Aug 19 21:36:24 DID IT!? Aug 19 21:36:25 i think not. Aug 19 21:36:28 but Chinese food is incoming Aug 19 21:36:47 Super suit Aug 19 21:36:51 It has lazers Aug 19 21:36:54 ooooooh Aug 19 21:37:02 wait, not an HEV suit? Aug 19 21:37:17 no, supersuit Aug 19 21:37:50 hmm Aug 19 21:38:10 Anivrom|pre: How's the app going? Aug 19 21:39:29 sugardave: has chinese earlier Aug 19 21:39:38 moo gai pan Aug 19 21:39:53 I'm workin my dayjob... So app is going great. Aug 19 21:40:33 get your wife codin' on the app Aug 19 21:40:40 lol Aug 19 21:40:51 be like "are you making sandwiches? no? get to codin!" Aug 19 21:41:09 sudo make me a samich Aug 19 21:41:50 * halfhalo nomnomnom Aug 19 21:42:55 Ok just had a random superflick that scrolled entire irc channel, oilsworkn, fix it! Aug 19 21:43:07 You don't have a wife so the onus is on you Aug 19 21:43:12 SUPERFLICK! Aug 19 21:43:27 Anivrom|pre: That's a feature Aug 19 21:43:29 * oilsworkn gets Anivrom|pre's wife to fix it Aug 19 21:43:43 * oilsworkn bribes her with sandwiches Aug 19 21:44:00 Women don't each sandwiches, they make them Aug 19 21:44:05 Can't bride someone with something they can get themselves Aug 19 21:44:08 s/each/eat Aug 19 21:44:18 Anivrom|pre: thats not right Aug 19 21:44:22 i can bribe you with money Aug 19 21:44:26 but you can get that yourself with a job Aug 19 21:44:36 fake money! Aug 19 21:44:39 oilsworkn: Jokes on you! Aug 19 21:44:39 if (!female) { sandwiches.each(...);} Aug 19 21:44:41 the flammable man has a point Aug 19 21:44:46 That's like me saying to bill gates: ill give you a hundred bucks to make me a sandwich Aug 19 21:45:11 oilsworkn: You american money has no value in the great country of Canada! Aug 19 21:45:25 Oh great parity Aug 19 21:45:26 lol Aug 19 21:45:30 1CAD is like 1.1USD Aug 19 21:45:37 or maybe its the other way around Aug 19 21:45:40 i think our money is still better Aug 19 21:45:43 It used to be 10000000CAD is 1USD Aug 19 21:45:47 so 1.1CAD = 1USD Aug 19 21:45:52 They have like manopoly money Aug 19 21:46:02 when i went there on my 19th birthday it was like a buck fifty per us dollar Aug 19 21:46:19 This thing needs a spell check Aug 19 21:46:31 "this thing"? Aug 19 21:46:39 Anivrom|pre: Do you have any purple bills? Aug 19 21:46:47 oilsworkn: xchat Aug 19 21:46:59 xchat at my house has spellcheck Aug 19 21:47:03 :O Aug 19 21:47:06 Hao? Aug 19 21:47:18 google.com? Aug 19 21:47:39 pie.com Aug 19 21:47:51 thisisnotapornwebsite.com Aug 19 21:48:10 get Anivrom|pre's wife to spell check all your messages Aug 19 21:48:31 lol Aug 19 21:50:26 Maybe you should incorporate spell check into your crappy app considering pre keyboard = typos Aug 19 21:50:29 Oooooh snap Aug 19 21:51:12 Crappy/subpar Aug 19 21:51:29 are you talking about wirc? Aug 19 21:52:31 * oilsworkn adds if (this.nick.includes('anivrom')) { /* trigger preware to remove wirc */ } to wirc Aug 19 21:52:33 more like won'twirc Aug 19 21:52:39 You know exactly what I'm talking about. You're in denial Aug 19 21:53:11 * Anivrom|pre edits source of wirc and removes condition Aug 19 21:53:25 * halfhalo edits source of source for kicks Aug 19 21:53:26 * oilsworkn puts it in the compiled service :) Aug 19 21:53:40 Hurray for webos and its open source glory Aug 19 21:54:04 * Anivrom|pre reverse engineers service Aug 19 21:58:20 well if you're going to go through all that, might as well fix what your problems are while you're there :) Aug 19 21:58:21 Noted! has been submitted to app catalog. Aug 19 21:58:23 YES, you can pass an object~ Aug 19 21:58:27 hurray Aug 19 21:58:44 chuqui: do you want me to post a documentation error here or in the forums, or in an email? Aug 19 21:58:55 yes, yes, and yes Aug 19 21:58:57 haeffb: palmpreuser1001 is going to bash it Aug 19 21:58:58 all 3! Aug 19 21:59:16 no, he likes noted now. Hates done. it's "too complicated" Aug 19 21:59:22 oh, damn Aug 19 22:00:32 Tibfib: forums works. or pdc@ Aug 19 22:01:07 chuqui: k, I'll post it later Aug 19 22:01:18 Tibfib: ack Aug 19 22:01:42 bbl Aug 19 22:04:07 Howdy Aug 19 22:09:23 Poll: you a smart feller or a fart smeller? Aug 19 22:09:47 Poll: Do you think Anivrom|pre is annoying? Aug 19 22:10:02 kesne is the one asking that? Aug 19 22:10:07 Poll: is that ironic? Aug 19 22:10:10 Yes Aug 19 22:10:11 yes Aug 19 22:10:12 Heh Aug 19 22:10:14 lol Aug 19 22:10:41 Jus sayin... Aug 19 22:10:45 Poll: are you married? Aug 19 22:10:55 Me, I am Aug 19 22:11:14 that thing in secondlife doesn't count kesne Aug 19 22:11:15 dekan: off-topic Aug 19 22:11:16 go to #mobile-watercooler Aug 19 22:11:23 off-topic Aug 19 22:11:23 go to #mobile-watercooler Aug 19 22:11:29 on-topic Aug 19 22:11:33 haeffb: No need to tell dekan Aug 19 22:12:24 Dekan: off-topic is #mobile-watercooler Aug 19 22:12:24 Okay, Anivrom|pre. Aug 19 22:12:32 Off-topic Aug 19 22:12:33 go to #mobile-watercooler Aug 19 22:12:34 #webos-watercooler too Aug 19 22:12:44 I think Aug 19 22:12:48 Tibfib: it's gone, though it could be remade Aug 19 22:12:54 we have the technology Aug 19 22:12:55 oh, nevermind then Aug 19 22:13:14 Tibfib: apparently there was a coup, and the name changed. But since no-one here seems to use it, the name change seems to be moot. Aug 19 22:13:47 wasnt eguy the leader behind it and got rid of his pre? Aug 19 22:13:48 whoa, app submission has changed a lot lately. well done palm! (chuqui) Aug 19 22:14:10 oilsworkn: yeah, and the S/N ratio tripled on that day Aug 19 22:14:24 lol Aug 19 22:14:26 off_topic > /dev/null Aug 19 22:14:30 dekan, you're even more annoying that=n kesne some days... Aug 19 22:14:30 I cannot access that data. Aug 19 22:14:40 heh Aug 19 22:14:41 lol Aug 19 22:14:51 who has power to change the topic of this channel? there is a good quote addition Aug 19 22:14:58 I do Aug 19 22:15:01 lol Aug 19 22:15:10 yes, chuqui: greatly appreciate the changes in app submittal. it was a breeze. Aug 19 22:15:53 dekan: kesne is chuq says kesne is only slightly less annoying than dekan Aug 19 22:15:54 Okay, rwhitby. Aug 19 22:16:09 haha Aug 19 22:16:24 dekan: remember chuqui kesne Aug 19 22:16:25 Okay, maik, remembering "you're even more annoying that=n kesne some days...". Aug 19 22:16:34 haha Aug 19 22:16:39 :D Aug 19 22:16:44 * maik pats dekan Aug 19 22:16:45 * dekan purrrrrrrrrr Aug 19 22:16:58 impressive Aug 19 22:17:22 i haven't ever had a chance to use that, not a whole lot of funny stuff goes on in here :) Aug 19 22:17:28 hah Aug 19 22:18:19 am i the only one annoyed by p|c's new top bar thinger? Aug 19 22:18:54 oilsworkn: whose? Aug 19 22:18:55 lol Aug 19 22:19:06 allstate homeowners insurance can cover data recovery due to a virus .. Aug 19 22:19:08 precentral Aug 19 22:19:48 right... are they going to cover you sending your drive in to get it torn apart and recovered bit by bit? Aug 19 22:21:07 oilsworkn: you're not the only one annoyed by it Aug 19 22:21:14 ok Aug 19 22:21:57 I don't mind it... I'm indifferent Aug 19 22:22:04 i havent been to pc if foreva Aug 19 22:22:06 so long as it doesn't move when i scroll down, i'm fine with it Aug 19 22:23:57 awe, daughter had her first dentist appt today Aug 19 22:24:15 be sure to film her when shes high Aug 19 22:24:20 apparently the internet likes those kinds of vids Aug 19 22:24:28 heh, just a checkup Aug 19 22:24:31 ah Aug 19 22:25:15 uh oh Aug 19 22:25:21 dekan: forget CTLAdvance Aug 19 22:25:21 how did your meeting go? Aug 19 22:25:22 So's your face. Aug 19 22:25:26 hahaha Aug 19 22:25:31 haha Aug 19 22:25:33 try delete Aug 19 22:25:43 nice! Aug 19 22:25:46 wtf Aug 19 22:25:55 It insulted me Aug 19 22:25:57 * rwhitby cheers Aug 19 22:26:02 cry about it Aug 19 22:26:02 lol Aug 19 22:26:05 :) Aug 19 22:26:06 "dont insult me when im ops" Aug 19 22:26:19 "respect ma authoritay" Aug 19 22:26:25 haha Aug 19 22:26:26 The deed is done Aug 19 22:26:26 "learn how to use it" Aug 19 22:26:39 maiks crusin for a kickin! Aug 19 22:26:45 xD Aug 19 22:26:46 Well, if it wouldn't have insulted me, "delete" was next on the list. Aug 19 22:26:54 lol Aug 19 22:27:12 mmhmm... Aug 19 22:27:33 it could have come up with a number of any other responses associated with "don't know" Aug 19 22:27:42 bots should only speak when spoken do, and should do so respectfully at all times Aug 19 22:27:52 you should feel lucky that it responded with something a user gave him :) Aug 19 22:27:59 i cant wait to laugh at the next person that is all "dekan: this is this" and nothing happens Aug 19 22:28:14 Yeah. I don't mind having dekan around, with one requirement: If somebody enters a factoid for a user, the user the factoid is about should be able to delete the factoid. Aug 19 22:28:14 especially in professional technical channels like this one Aug 19 22:28:27 say *cry* Aug 19 22:28:27 *cry! Aug 19 22:28:30 hah Aug 19 22:28:32 all bot facts should also be editable by all users Aug 19 22:28:38 including ones own factoid Aug 19 22:28:42 CTLAdvance: negative, sir, that's ripe for abuse Aug 19 22:28:51 or CTLAdvance will go cry to the op :) Aug 19 22:28:51 So is the current setting. Aug 19 22:29:02 More like an calm discussion Aug 19 22:29:04 Well Aug 19 22:29:06 afaik you can edit factoids, you just need to know how Aug 19 22:29:08 * oilsworkn was joking Aug 19 22:29:22 I am beginning to see some disagreement on how bots should work in this channel. Aug 19 22:29:26 the current setting is ripe for abuse? Aug 19 22:29:57 no one seems to have a real problem with dekan, other than CTLAdvance, and i'm not sure how genuine his dislike is Aug 19 22:30:14 the main problem with the bot Aug 19 22:30:20 bots in a professional technical channel that is listed on Palm's developer page as a support channel should be useful, not a plaything for teenagers. Aug 19 22:30:21 well pandora-- doesn't like him either, but i'm pretty sure i've turned off all of the annoying stuff. and if it gets too annoying you can tell it to shut up Aug 19 22:30:23 is that 80% of the conversation becomes about him Aug 19 22:30:25 a blog post on the most recent offiial palm blog says you can tap your spacebar to wake up your device yet it doesnt work for me...any ideas ? Aug 19 22:30:27 Well, if I wasn't an op, and I couldn't mod dekan, I can't say I have appreciated factoids set about me. Aug 19 22:30:46 oil Aug 19 22:30:47 I asked you nicely to fix it earlier and you refused, and proceeded to be an ass... so I simply asked dkirker.... Aug 19 22:30:53 nothing for me apparently Aug 19 22:30:53 other people can edit factoids about CTLAdvance, he just can't edit his own Aug 19 22:31:11 and that should never be the case with a bot Aug 19 22:31:19 i'm sorry, my "ass"ness was sarcasm and i didn't think you were that serious about it Aug 19 22:31:45 This is a professional channel. As is such, any bot in this channel should store respectful facts pertaining to the channel's main topic. This prevents abuse. Aug 19 22:32:03 dkirker: +1 Aug 19 22:32:04 well then not everyone should be able to set facts Aug 19 22:32:09 nor should they be able to edit them Aug 19 22:32:21 dekan: delete CTLAdvance Aug 19 22:32:22 Okay, maik, 3 factoids deleted. Aug 19 22:32:25 dekan: ignore CTLAdvance Aug 19 22:32:25 Okay, maik. Ignore list updated. Aug 19 22:32:36 better? Aug 19 22:33:14 in fact, there is no reason why a bot in a professional channel should store factoids about usernames anyway Aug 19 22:33:28 well that's more or less semantics Aug 19 22:33:29 +1 rwhitby Aug 19 22:33:33 correct regex for 3 digit number is "[0-9][0-9][0-9]" right? Aug 19 22:33:39 you could say poop is fun, and if someone happens to have a nick of poop, it's about them Aug 19 22:33:40 sure Aug 19 22:34:06 technically there should be code that checks nicks before it speaks Aug 19 22:34:16 * rwhitby rests his case, seeing the example given Aug 19 22:34:18 LoneStar99: [0-9]{3} Aug 19 22:34:23 and there is, which is why you can't edit things about yourself and why quotes works so well Aug 19 22:34:25 oilsworkn: ok thanks Aug 19 22:34:26 :) Aug 19 22:34:32 that will force it to be 3 Aug 19 22:34:41 you can do {1,3} or whatever if you want a range Aug 19 22:34:53 I really don't want to see this bot storing facts that users deem to be disrespectful. If it continues to remain out of hand, the bot will go. I can't regulate that the bot not store facts about individual nicks, because then we cannot have the user mojo in the channel, but I want the content to remain appropriate and professional. Aug 19 22:35:19 The "user mojo" being one example. Aug 19 22:35:31 dkirker: then there shouldn't be a bot that can take any facts from just anyone Aug 19 22:36:01 because no one can guarantee that "poop is fun" is a) not disrespectful and b) "poop" is not someone's nickname Aug 19 22:36:03 maik: Then maybe the bot needs to contain a list of trusted users that can set facts. Aug 19 22:36:08 oilsworkn: what about from 1-100 [0-9]{1,3} ?? Aug 19 22:36:24 yeah, that should work Aug 19 22:36:33 though it would also match 001 Aug 19 22:36:40 (if that makes any difference) Aug 19 22:36:57 oilsworkn: ok thanks Aug 19 22:37:11 maik, the bot could be coded to do that for a user, stop dodging the statement Aug 19 22:37:24 CTLAdvance: do what? i'm not dodging anything Aug 19 22:37:55 i'm sorry you got all butt-hurt about your colleagues setting facts about you and not being able to do anything about it, it's the nature of any infobot Aug 19 22:38:00 your making a fit over the bot not being able to decipher if something is associated with a user, when it could be easily coded to do so Aug 19 22:38:09 clearly there needs to be a more controlled bot in there and a Bucket bot doesn't fit the bill Aug 19 22:38:13 i didn't say that Aug 19 22:38:19 and in an infobot we could then correct the, Aug 19 22:38:21 them Aug 19 22:38:24 no need to be an ass Aug 19 22:38:37 i said if someone sets a factoid "poop is fun", whether or not it's someone's nickname, it's a word and it has the potential to be Aug 19 22:38:39 I think that somebody setting a factoid that somebody else has an eating disorder is something worth being upset over... Aug 19 22:38:43 I can quote the log maik Aug 19 22:39:10 * oilsworkn gets popcorn Aug 19 22:39:22 oilsworkn: ok thanks got it working Aug 19 22:39:23 * rwhitby grabs some of oilsworkn's popcorn Aug 19 22:39:28 iirc i'm not the one making a fit over it, i thought it was funny that you wanted the factoid changed, but it's changed Aug 19 22:39:29 LoneStar99: np Aug 19 22:39:39 i said in teh very beginning if enough people didn't like it i'd kill, and have done so Aug 19 22:39:51 oilsworkn: popcorn is the shit! Aug 19 22:39:53 it's certainly not something worth getting worked up over Aug 19 22:39:58 maik: thank you Aug 19 22:40:40 and I thank you for deleting it, you should have done it earlier when I asked the first time... now stop being an ass and get back to work Aug 19 22:41:15 stop calling me an ass, i told you i wasn't doing it to be mean, i thought it was funny and didn't think you were that serious about it Aug 19 22:42:09 alright then maik Aug 19 22:42:11 its done Aug 19 22:42:13 thanks Aug 19 22:42:23 This is better than daytime tv Aug 19 22:42:25 you're certainly welcome Aug 19 22:43:00 although there should have been a "jackass, aisle one" somewhere in there Aug 19 22:46:46 so how about that mojo, eh? Aug 19 22:46:57 its crap? Aug 19 22:47:19 :p Aug 19 22:48:31 the dane cook "daddy just hit mommy at the dinner table" silence Aug 19 22:49:51 yup Aug 19 22:49:55 oh, oh, oh! Aug 19 22:50:03 * oilsworkn imagines that as dead silent with quit wimpers Aug 19 22:50:06 crimper is here! Aug 19 22:50:44 cable crimper? Aug 19 22:50:52 yeah Aug 19 22:50:56 halfhalo: couch node library works with nodules Aug 19 22:51:00 hollaaa Aug 19 22:51:01 nice Aug 19 22:53:46 im not using nodules for my current project due to hashlib Aug 19 22:54:10 I just wanted to see if I could get it to do something...and something it does Aug 19 22:54:21 now to figure out how to actually write server-side .js Aug 19 22:54:24 properly Aug 19 22:54:28 meh Aug 19 22:55:00 * oilsworkn bets its the same as other js xD Aug 19 22:55:14 close Aug 19 22:55:19 some of this code I'm looking at...it's definitely different than what I'm used to Aug 19 22:55:26 (only Mojo, so already a disadvantage) Aug 19 22:55:46 Its all event based Aug 19 22:57:14 its fast though Aug 19 22:57:17 really fast Aug 19 22:57:22 and easy Aug 19 22:57:34 like that chick at the bar? Aug 19 22:57:47 yes, but much more exclusive Aug 19 22:58:01 oh, chick at the sports bar Aug 19 22:58:08 lol Aug 19 23:01:20 new gigabit router as well Aug 19 23:01:31 fun. for work or play? Aug 19 23:01:32 I just tried to ctrl+s in vi Aug 19 23:01:36 we have plenty of those here at work :) Aug 19 23:01:54 sugardave: oops! Aug 19 23:01:54 lol Aug 19 23:02:14 yeah, fail :D Aug 19 23:02:45 i tried to cmd+r IRC and some MSN conversations while wooting today Aug 19 23:02:58 wootoffs still goin! Aug 19 23:03:03 ya Aug 19 23:03:05 16 pack shamwow! Aug 19 23:03:07 xD Aug 19 23:03:38 for mopping up after those hooker beatings? Aug 19 23:03:50 lol Aug 19 23:03:56 haha Aug 19 23:03:58 woot always has the best product "descriptions" Aug 19 23:04:01 totally Aug 19 23:04:09 i love that they get away with it Aug 19 23:04:37 sometimes they just totally make fun of the product Aug 19 23:04:46 you would think that the companies would have a problem with it Aug 19 23:05:23 nah, i think they know what their getting into when they set up the deals Aug 19 23:05:34 lol Aug 19 23:05:48 I say...let 'em crash! Aug 19 23:12:14 I heart gigabit Aug 19 23:15:00 10GbE :D Aug 19 23:15:16 mmmmm Aug 19 23:15:36 we have 10G to SJC and LAX :) Aug 19 23:15:51 Not at home :( Aug 19 23:16:00 no, sadly, just work :( Aug 19 23:16:06 * oilsworkn doesn't move enough data around to need gigabit Aug 19 23:16:17 * dkirker should pull an oil and live at work Aug 19 23:16:28 lol Aug 19 23:16:32 * oilsworkn works very little Aug 19 23:16:34 I have… something… at work Aug 19 23:16:35 here's what you do, get a managed switch with at least 10 gig ports, then get a box with 10 gig nics and LACP the lot of them Aug 19 23:16:41 viola! 10GbE! Aug 19 23:16:54 hehe Aug 19 23:16:55 voila* Aug 19 23:18:03 Has anyone here built the WebOS Internals Development Kit before? Aug 19 23:18:29 Error454: probably want to ask on #webos-internals :) Aug 19 23:19:01 thanks, I did but I think everyone there is on a siesta Aug 19 23:19:08 yup Aug 19 23:19:28 mmmm, siesta Aug 19 23:19:35 I could use one of those, and a fiesta! Aug 19 23:21:01 I made an app that turns my pre into a houseboat Aug 19 23:21:10 I'm on a boat! Aug 19 23:21:20 in the water? Aug 19 23:21:37 you better not be hiding in your neighbors boat again, the one that he parks in the driveway! Aug 19 23:21:42 I should bring an inflatable boat into work Aug 19 23:21:50 alexfner: >.< Aug 19 23:22:33 here's what you do, you bring one of those inflatable emergency boats that inflates itself, to work Aug 19 23:22:49 lol Aug 19 23:22:50 then pull the fire alarm, and release the boat. Try to convince your coworkers to get in the boat Aug 19 23:23:15 you will receive $100 for each coworker you can get in the boat at once Aug 19 23:23:31 (with the condition that the fire alarm is on) Aug 19 23:23:45 oh and I am in no way advocating pulling the fire alarm Aug 19 23:23:52 yeah, my node code can talk to couchdb Aug 19 23:23:53 * oilsworkn heads home Aug 19 23:24:10 My node code talks to everathang Aug 19 23:24:39 halfhalo: God? Aug 19 23:24:52 you rang? Aug 19 23:24:53 hp released their quarterly earning today Aug 19 23:25:17 Yup Aug 19 23:25:18 I had heard that there was a semi-official blackout until the quarterly earnings were released Aug 19 23:25:23 we may finally hear some webOS news Aug 19 23:27:49 Ok, this is an 8 port switch… I only wanted a 5 port... Aug 19 23:28:17 you could pack the other 3 ports with some clay or something Aug 19 23:28:21 I don't understand how Palm news would affect sales numbers for any current HP division, EB, IPG or other. The blackout makes no sense. Aug 19 23:28:27 hmmmm Aug 19 23:32:03 its green though... Aug 19 23:34:06 the blackout makes perfect sense Aug 19 23:34:39 now, the question is how bad can I screw up crimping Aug 19 23:34:43 you don't want to announce something that isn't ready to roll Aug 19 23:34:49 chuqui: ping Aug 19 23:34:53 what's green? Aug 19 23:34:56 money? Aug 19 23:35:25 no, my new switch Aug 19 23:35:51 why did you buy a switch, again? Aug 19 23:36:30 because i needed another one so I could just have one cable runnign across my floor to my ps3, dvr, etc? Aug 19 23:36:58 i'd rather route the packets myself Aug 19 23:36:58 I finished my first PDK game if anyone is of a mind to try it PM me your email and i will send you an IPK Aug 19 23:37:01 more control :P Aug 19 23:37:15 and I bought a ethernet crimper so I could fix all my cords instead of buying new ones Aug 19 23:38:49 halfhalo: just remember, wh/or,or - wh/gr,bl - wh/bl,gr - wh/br,br Aug 19 23:40:33 meh, I need pictures Aug 19 23:40:40 but thats for later Aug 19 23:41:20 The blackout makes no sense in the context of waiting for quarterly earnings. Aug 19 23:43:48 of course it does Aug 19 23:44:11 it just doesn't make sense to people who want that information Aug 19 23:44:19 but it makes sense to executives of hp Aug 19 23:44:23 How does it make sense? Aug 19 23:44:45 The customers of the most profitable division in HP don't know the word Palm Aug 19 23:44:59 * digitalpowers is off and running Aug 19 23:45:24 People buying $500k worth of storage don't know what webos is Aug 19 23:51:28 hey Aug 19 23:51:36 the guy that made that evo vs iphone video Aug 19 23:51:39 rocks a broke palm pre Aug 19 23:51:51 hah nice Aug 19 23:51:53 he also got fired Aug 19 23:51:58 they just had him on AOTS Aug 19 23:52:33 they asked if he was indeed using a moto razr, and he replied 'no its a halfbroken palm pre, but might as well be a razr' :( Aug 19 23:52:50 they suspended him, then asked him to come back, and he told them to fuck off Aug 19 23:52:59 'they' never asked him to come back Aug 19 23:53:07 his supervisor asked if he was, but corp never did Aug 19 23:53:12 ah Aug 19 23:53:35 that was litterly 2minutes ago when he said that ;p Aug 19 23:53:37 live tv ftw Aug 19 23:53:53 just from what i remember reading Aug 19 23:54:41 here's what I hope Aug 19 23:54:51 webos 2.0 brings a canvas interface for the camera Aug 19 23:54:56 because if it does Aug 19 23:55:05 webos2.0 brings more gbs Aug 19 23:55:06 I have this great idea, for webcam on the cheap, through the phone Aug 19 23:55:11 wait wait listen Aug 19 23:55:48 so if the interface to the camera is through canvas, and we get websockets, you can send pixel data from teh canvas through websockets Aug 19 23:55:56 does it have the wifis? Aug 19 23:56:09 and rebuild the image in any webbrowser with canvas and websockets Aug 19 23:56:41 so yeah, that would be awesome Aug 19 23:56:59 cause you could send camera data, low latency over the internet Aug 19 23:57:05 super simple Aug 19 23:57:08 cash money Aug 19 23:57:10 ya dig? Aug 19 23:57:31 woot for webos tablet early 2011 Aug 19 23:57:48 that means we'll finally get an onscreen kb :P Aug 19 23:57:54 well an official Aug 19 23:58:19 * rwhitby registers palmpad-internals.org ... Aug 19 23:58:27 lolz Aug 19 23:58:54 you'll have to own 2 touchstones to properly support/charge the palmpad :P Aug 19 23:59:13 or the newly announced TouchBoulder Aug 19 23:59:17 I have three on the desk in front of me here, so no problem Aug 19 23:59:34 I have 3 plugged in and two as spares Aug 19 23:59:40 i had one here on my desk but i think i put it away Aug 19 23:59:54 * Anivrom has 0 touchstones Aug 20 00:00:06 * Anivrom uses old fashion usb cable... Aug 20 00:00:09 I have three and wife has two Aug 20 00:00:10 I have a touchstone Aug 20 00:00:17 would be nice if it could do some sort of device<->stone only data connection Aug 20 00:00:20 the usb cable that goes into it has completely shredded Aug 20 00:00:25 her pixi starting to come apart at the seams Aug 20 00:00:30 and my original palm pre no longer holds a charge Aug 20 00:00:33 fml Aug 20 00:00:46 i would love to not plug in the usb cord Aug 20 00:00:47 or more precisely, the touchstone back is coming apart at the seams Aug 20 00:01:26 I would love it palm would provide access to synergy services for apps, so you could store data from your apps on palm's secure servers, so that it moves with the palm profile Aug 20 00:01:28 amirite? Aug 20 00:01:40 my app has not ben approved yet. Aug 20 00:01:48 and it would be simple, you wouldn't control syncing, it'd be controlled by synergy Aug 20 00:01:58 alexfner: uamrite Aug 20 00:02:14 I know I know Aug 20 00:02:18 my ideas Aug 20 00:02:32 have we had the conversation about webOS not supporting TKIP certs? Aug 20 00:04:07 ...errr AES? Aug 20 00:04:11 instead of tkip Aug 20 00:04:14 i don't know Aug 20 00:04:18 I'm just making it all up Aug 20 00:07:08 all I know Aug 20 00:07:19 Ok so say I wanna start my app up in 1 scene if database is not empty but another if database is empty. Aug 20 00:07:21 it some part of the wireless around campus is not supported Aug 20 00:07:32 Anivrom: go on... Aug 20 00:07:38 alexfner: I've been thinking of a way to have a "palm profile squirrel" app, which stores stuff that you give it in a cookie when then gets stored in your profile Aug 20 00:08:00 thats it. wondering how to do that. Aug 20 00:09:30 rwhitby: yeah but do we have any public apis that offer access to the profile? Aug 20 00:10:01 alexfner: no, but I believe app cookies are stored there Aug 20 00:10:06 yup Aug 20 00:10:13 stored in your palm profile? Aug 20 00:10:20 but app are limited to a total of 4k of cookies Aug 20 00:10:47 wait, are you saying app cookies are stored in your palm profile? Aug 20 00:10:53 yup Aug 20 00:10:54 ok, so the cookie would need to be an index into some other secure storage location on the internet Aug 20 00:11:04 yeah Aug 20 00:11:14 thats what I'm doing as part of my sso thing Aug 20 00:11:27 I honestly had no idea Aug 20 00:11:43 is there any way to ask for the cookie from your profile? Aug 20 00:11:58 its loaded when you log into your profile Aug 20 00:12:05 i dont believe you can re-request the cookie Aug 20 00:12:05 hmm Aug 20 00:12:14 so it just sits there Aug 20 00:12:20 well here's what I am confused about Aug 20 00:12:23 I have apps with cookies Aug 20 00:12:34 that I assumed were deleted when the app was deleted from the device Aug 20 00:12:39 i have cookies with chocolate chips Aug 20 00:12:39 they are Aug 20 00:12:49 so then why are they kept in synergy? Aug 20 00:13:01 i dont know if they're deleted from your profile or not Aug 20 00:13:04 in case you doctor without deleting the app Aug 20 00:13:06 but you would only find out after a doctor Aug 20 00:13:13 ah I see Aug 20 00:13:15 Anivrom: why database empty? Aug 20 00:13:24 first time launching? Aug 20 00:13:25 so it wouldn't protect if you deleted from the device Aug 20 00:13:31 just store a pref like "firstuse" = false Aug 20 00:13:41 but if you lost the device and got a new one, it should... Aug 20 00:13:45 well Aug 20 00:13:47 if (firstuse) pushSceneOne Aug 20 00:13:57 else pushSceneTwo Aug 20 00:13:58 they would need to know your profile name/pass Aug 20 00:14:02 to restore it Aug 20 00:14:02 sugardave, newest IHS doesnt work, cant select teams, and flasher button on prefs page does nothing, flasher type doesnt save, and flasher only shows 1 color (is mine just broke?) Aug 20 00:14:04 I'm not worried about figuring out which scene to push when. Aug 20 00:14:11 its figuring out how to push which scene Aug 20 00:14:15 oil: well it's a new device, so I'd assume on startup it would grab the cookie Aug 20 00:14:19 My main always launches Aug 20 00:14:20 like it does contacts Aug 20 00:14:26 I just told you how Aug 20 00:14:29 only when you log into your profile Aug 20 00:14:30 dawm__: I think yours is just broke....hmmm...I will delete and install what's on beta feed. should be 0.0.3 Aug 20 00:14:33 er 0.0.4 Aug 20 00:14:37 0.0.4 Aug 20 00:14:37 Anivrom: in the stage assistant Aug 20 00:14:39 haeffb: it was kinda vague. Aug 20 00:14:45 maybe my cookie is too old? Aug 20 00:14:49 Anivrom: put it in there, and try to query the database Aug 20 00:14:50 want me to write your code for you? Aug 20 00:14:56 because I will... Aug 20 00:14:56 no Aug 20 00:14:56 dawm__: ah, yeah delete first Aug 20 00:15:02 ok ill try in a bit Aug 20 00:15:04 brb Aug 20 00:15:07 _global.firstuse = true; Aug 20 00:15:16 Anivrom: if the database returns null, push sceneA, if it's not, push sceneB Aug 20 00:15:36 sigh* its not about vars and such, I just need to know where to check and how to stop my app from launching Main all the time Aug 20 00:15:36 so let's say I have a cookie for your high schore Aug 20 00:15:49 Anivrom: I just told you, in the stage assistant Aug 20 00:15:54 if (_global.firstuse) { _global.firstuse = false; this.controller.stageController.pushScene('firstuse'); } Aug 20 00:15:54 I got it Aug 20 00:16:37 noice Aug 20 00:17:15 let's say you have a cookie for your high score. If a user loses the phone, and goes to a new device, and logs into their palm profile on that device, the cookie should download, and the score should be on teh device again? Aug 20 00:17:26 was just unsure of where to put it, and was a little confused on how to override the app pushing main Aug 20 00:17:51 well it only pushes main if you tell it to, so you just decide not to tell it to Aug 20 00:17:58 but I see the code on webos101 Aug 20 00:18:12 alexfner: there is no code pushing main Aug 20 00:18:18 It does it automatically... Aug 20 00:18:29 its the default scene Aug 20 00:19:06 stoopid Ares Aug 20 00:19:27 rgr Aug 20 00:19:38 surely you can override that Aug 20 00:19:42 So in straight mojo you have to specify the default scene or your app doesn't do anything? Aug 20 00:19:46 no Aug 20 00:19:55 if you don't specify a scene, it pushes main Aug 20 00:19:55 so ares and mojo are the same Aug 20 00:20:08 in that respect Aug 20 00:20:09 it looks for a scene called main, I mean Aug 20 00:20:15 if it doesn't exist, then it dies Aug 20 00:20:32 but if I push something else in stage assistant it wont push main Aug 20 00:20:38 right Aug 20 00:20:48 now its clear Aug 20 00:21:01 I wasnt sure how webos handled scene pushing on startup Aug 20 00:21:09 it doesn't Aug 20 00:21:14 you have to call pushScene Aug 20 00:21:16 app/webos Aug 20 00:21:37 I dont call pushScene to get main to push when my app starts Aug 20 00:21:42 so clearly it must default Aug 20 00:21:55 no app assistant? Aug 20 00:22:01 I gots one but its empty Aug 20 00:22:10 * oil pushes his first scene in the app assistants Aug 20 00:22:23 I'm too simple for multi-stage apps Aug 20 00:22:27 LULZ Aug 20 00:22:31 all my shit goes in the stage controller Aug 20 00:22:44 * Anivrom feels sheepish Aug 20 00:22:49 or you push your first push in the stage assistant Aug 20 00:22:55 StageAssistant.prototype.setup = function() { Aug 20 00:22:55 this.controller.pushScene({name: "main", disableSceneScroller: true}); Aug 20 00:22:55 this.controller.setWindowOrientation("left"); Aug 20 00:22:57 its gotta be one of those two Aug 20 00:23:04 well there you go Aug 20 00:23:05 Anivrom: yeah, that's the one Aug 20 00:23:05 Good thing I actually know my code Aug 20 00:23:34 stoopid Ares Aug 20 00:23:45 lol Aug 20 00:23:57 I'm sure I typed it in, but that was prolly the first line I ever wrote in webos, and just forgot about it Aug 20 00:24:03 :P Aug 20 00:24:21 and by typed, you mean, found on the internet and copy/pasted? Aug 20 00:24:33 no, practical palm webos projects Aug 20 00:24:36 So typed Aug 20 00:24:46 oh god there's oil on my shoes! Aug 20 00:24:55 that happens sometimes Aug 20 00:24:56 dekan: oil Aug 20 00:25:00 bah Aug 20 00:25:07 dekan got the boot Aug 20 00:25:13 oh I see Aug 20 00:25:22 check logs :) Aug 20 00:25:35 the great dekan debate of 2010 Aug 20 00:25:35 dangit.. now I'm gonna run into asynch issues... Aug 20 00:25:46 lol Aug 20 00:25:48 asynch opportunities Aug 20 00:25:48 * oil hates those Aug 20 00:26:01 I gotta wait for data to load before I decide which scene to push Aug 20 00:26:04 .// wrists Aug 20 00:26:14 oh Aug 20 00:26:15 lol Aug 20 00:26:17 thats no good Aug 20 00:26:20 opportunities Aug 20 00:26:30 And I really dont feel like bringing the bakery back Aug 20 00:26:33 push a splash screen and show stuff off Aug 20 00:26:35 and using a cookie Aug 20 00:26:37 then when its loaded Aug 20 00:26:42 swap it with your scene Aug 20 00:26:50 you don't HAVE to use the cookie bakery Aug 20 00:26:58 you can wield them directly Aug 20 00:27:04 Yea I'll just create a function that gets called a the end of my db chain.. duh Aug 20 00:27:10 duh Aug 20 00:27:12 duh Aug 20 00:27:16 doh! Aug 20 00:27:16 huh Aug 20 00:27:57 wait...we don't HAVE to use the bakery? Aug 20 00:28:10 hmm never done prototype functions before. I can just do StageAssistant.prototype.pushFirstScene = function() {}? Aug 20 00:28:11 :P Aug 20 00:28:22 Anivrom: yes Aug 20 00:28:23 my app has still not been approved Aug 20 00:28:24 noice Aug 20 00:28:25 never done prototype functions before? Aug 20 00:28:33 you've been writing apps this whole time? Aug 20 00:28:34 it's going on...like...three hours Aug 20 00:28:41 no, I just create actual functions Aug 20 00:28:45 and then in the other ones, you have this.pushFirstScene() Aug 20 00:28:56 haeffb: lame Aug 20 00:29:04 i no rite? Aug 20 00:29:30 or, in his case, this.pushFirstScene.bind(this) Aug 20 00:29:43 um Aug 20 00:29:47 so's he can use this.contolller, etc. Aug 20 00:29:50 No, it wont be setup as a callback Aug 20 00:29:50 aww...I was setting him up Aug 20 00:30:13 ... the bomb? Aug 20 00:30:14 booo...callbacks are fun! Aug 20 00:30:55 so webOS doesn't support TTLS/PAP Aug 20 00:30:57 and that's what we need Aug 20 00:31:02 cause I have wireless everywhere around campus Aug 20 00:31:07 that I cannot connect to Aug 20 00:31:18 and it would improve battery life, and data use Aug 20 00:32:07 world peace? Aug 20 00:33:17 why is mobile-watercooler all about expensive, fast cars? Aug 20 00:33:34 there's actually ppl in it? Aug 20 00:33:49 is it time to ask questions? Aug 20 00:35:15 * Anivrom isnt getting any coding done with his wife watching failblog.org beside him Aug 20 00:36:04 * sugardave has coder's block. Aug 20 00:36:13 * digitalpowers hates web pages Aug 20 00:36:18 * alexfner is eating lamb shank with mashed potatoes, lamb gravy, and grilled brussel sprouts Aug 20 00:36:41 * Tibfib is dealing with stupid mojo lists Aug 20 00:36:46 * Anivrom just ate fried vegetables with corn on the cob and rice Aug 20 00:37:11 * digitalpowers is trying to convince his wife to cook him dinner, he will even settle for wife 2 cooking Aug 20 00:37:54 * Tibfib wonders who will break the action train Aug 20 00:38:02 * Anivrom knows it wont be him Aug 20 00:38:11 * digitalpowers is a likely candidate Aug 20 00:38:21 * halfhalo hi Aug 20 00:38:28 * Anivrom Halfhalo: HEY! Aug 20 00:38:40 * Anivrom whats up? Aug 20 00:38:53 * halfhalo playing borderlands with little brother Aug 20 00:39:00 * Anivrom I see I see Aug 20 00:39:16 god this lam is delicious Aug 20 00:39:17 * digitalpowers wonders what Anivrom thought of his game Aug 20 00:39:17 * halfhalo yup Aug 20 00:39:19 lamb* Aug 20 00:39:25 * halfhalo ... Aug 20 00:39:46 * Tibfib didn't lose Aug 20 00:39:59 * Anivrom digitalpowers: it was good, need to smooth out the jitter on the circle through some sort of filtering Aug 20 00:40:04 * haeffb is grillin chikin Aug 20 00:40:06 * Anivrom and the graphics should be smoother and less gritty Aug 20 00:40:08 digitalpowers: did you get my feedback? Aug 20 00:40:40 * Anivrom alexfner: clearly we are talking through telekenesis... can't you see the thought train, now get on board or get out Aug 20 00:41:50 * Anivrom wonders why you would need to save first use data to a database, why not just set the value when you load/create the database on startup Aug 20 00:42:09 what? Aug 20 00:42:47 * Anivrom if response == undefined { firstuse = true } else { firstuse = false} Aug 20 00:43:23 redundancy in case the cookie got deleted Aug 20 00:43:52 * Anivrom if it got deleted then you lost the data anyways... and you might as well show first startup Aug 20 00:43:57 I use a cookie to check for first run and then the db (if I"m using one) Aug 20 00:44:18 well in my case it works fine without saving it to db Aug 20 00:44:20 Anivrom: not if you are saving a superset of the data in a db Aug 20 00:44:27 right. Aug 20 00:44:42 and then loss of cookie doesn't mean loss of startup data Aug 20 00:44:52 my app depends on the db so if its gone, you're starting over lol Aug 20 00:45:18 and start over = put in stats for a "new one" Aug 20 00:55:14 ok so say I wanna call a prototype function from my database.js file, I can't really can I? Aug 20 00:55:42 * Anivrom recalls getStageAssistant method Aug 20 00:55:47 or somethings Aug 20 00:57:24 a prototype function of what? Aug 20 00:57:31 stage assistant Aug 20 00:58:04 custom one, pushFirstScene Aug 20 00:58:06 pass the stage assistant function to the database.js function Aug 20 00:58:18 i.e callback Aug 20 00:58:25 i.e. read above Aug 20 00:59:58 oorrrrr I can ref out the stage assistant and just use that Aug 20 01:00:11 despises callbacks Aug 20 01:00:25 callbacks are the way of asynchronicity Aug 20 01:00:26 so do I! Aug 20 01:00:36 master the callback and you will be rewarded Aug 20 01:00:40 or something Aug 20 01:00:51 70 virgins? Aug 20 01:01:06 callbacks are the shiznit Aug 20 01:02:08 hate em hate em hate em Aug 20 01:02:39 ok so I create an object that is my function if firsttime push first else push main, then I just keep passing that object through the db chain as an arg until I need it at the end? Aug 20 01:02:51 * Anivrom hates stepping out of his comfort zone Aug 20 01:05:44 screw this, I'm just gonna create a non-prototype function in my database.js and use Mojo.Controller.stageController.pushScene Aug 20 01:06:08 * Anivrom waits for someone to confirm whether this will work or not Aug 20 01:08:32 it will Aug 20 01:08:54 yea I'm almost done Aug 20 01:11:26 as soon as I fix the 20 syntax errors Aug 20 01:11:38 finding 1 per launch as I get further into the execution lol Aug 20 01:14:06 hmmmmmmmmm the file picker ui won't load on my pre Aug 20 01:14:16 haeffb: Cannot call method 'transaction' of null cupcake.js: 98 Aug 20 01:14:20 any ideas? Aug 20 01:14:40 I'm calling it striaght from stage assistant setup method Aug 20 01:14:57 worked fine when it was in main assistant setup method Aug 20 01:15:26 yup Aug 20 01:15:32 no idea what I;m doing at all Aug 20 01:16:50 oh duh Aug 20 01:16:57 I use cupcakes before its initialized Aug 20 01:17:18 thanks haeffb Aug 20 01:18:59 yeah, don't do that Aug 20 01:19:51 ok so new error, cannot set property 'src' of object, which would mean it hasn't run my game.js globals code yet, but i thought it runs all that stuff before it gets into stage setup()... Aug 20 01:20:31 Anivrom: you could do something like db.initDb = function (callback) { if (callback) this.callback = callback; ...load db...} Aug 20 01:20:47 jesus how do people do this Aug 20 01:20:57 it doesn't run anything until you tell it to... Aug 20 01:20:57 yea. totally lost Aug 20 01:21:40 I'm sure you're tired of explaining too, so dont bother, I'll just hack and slash my way till I get it Aug 20 01:22:24 callbacks make my head hurt in places I didnt even know existed Aug 20 01:22:31 here's what I do.... Aug 20 01:23:02 oh Aug 20 01:23:03 nvm Aug 20 01:23:36 oh. ok Aug 20 01:23:47 That code thats throwing the error is inside my game.init() which is called in my main setup() which doesn't get called cause I moved it to this function, at the end of my db chain Aug 20 01:23:59 I'm logically flawless tonight Aug 20 01:25:47 helps if you actually remember how your code works. You stop working on something for too long and you gotta refresh your memory Aug 20 01:25:59 Or your app will do it for you in the way of random errors :P Aug 20 01:31:47 Mojo.Function.Synchronize, wow. anyone use this for mass db calls? it would avoid chains completely Aug 20 01:31:54 http://www.weboshelp.net/webos-mojo-development-resources/api-reference/671-mojo-function-synchronize?catid=56%3Amojofunctionsynchronize Aug 20 01:32:51 Anivrom: good luck making it work Aug 20 01:32:55 o rly? Aug 20 01:33:00 I think I had it working in single-stage apps Aug 20 01:33:11 but breaks horribly in multi-stage Aug 20 01:33:15 ah Aug 20 01:33:22 I dont forsee any game I make multistage Aug 20 01:33:32 I was trying to integrate it into my db helper stuff Aug 20 01:33:34 And I dont plan on making anything but games unless its simple Aug 20 01:33:59 I don't know...the one you're working on could benefit from a dashboard stage, I think Aug 20 01:34:15 Yes but, I dont have background processes Aug 20 01:34:48 and its not planned. we were gonna but decided the battery usage/functionality tradeoff didnt work Aug 20 01:37:31 Interesting. stopListening relaly is as simple as changing liste to stopListening Aug 20 01:38:02 yep, if you do the listen right Aug 20 01:38:09 "right" Aug 20 01:38:09 I put it in activate Aug 20 01:38:16 if thats what you're talkign about Aug 20 01:38:24 no Aug 20 01:38:26 hang on Aug 20 01:38:36 Mojo.Event.listen(this.controller.get("widgetWrapper"), Mojo.Event.flick, game.flickingHandler.bind(this), true); Aug 20 01:38:44 I dont bindAsEventListener Aug 20 01:39:14 Which I think is what the criteria is Aug 20 01:39:21 "right" means setting it up so the handler is a reference to the function you can re-use Aug 20 01:39:31 a la what you have Aug 20 01:39:35 oh Aug 20 01:39:36 noice Aug 20 01:39:49 * halfhalo is failing Aug 20 01:39:57 at what? Aug 20 01:40:25 terminating an ethernet cord Aug 20 01:40:35 oh, I've never made cables Aug 20 01:41:05 if this is my listen ... Mojo.Event.listen(this.controller.get("widgetWrapper"), Mojo.Event.tap, game.tapHandler.bind(this), true); Aug 20 01:41:18 this should work fine right? Mojo.Event.stopListening(this.controller.get("widgetWrapper"), Mojo.Event.tap, game.tapHandler); Aug 20 01:41:28 dont need the bind fluff or the arg at the end Aug 20 01:41:52 weboshelp does it differently than me Aug 20 01:42:29 oh. nvm they have both examples Aug 20 01:42:45 you need to bind it somewhere Aug 20 01:42:56 I do in the listen function.. Aug 20 01:43:04 listen method* Aug 20 01:43:19 it doesn't work like that Aug 20 01:43:24 :( Aug 20 01:43:35 I would think that wouldn't work right, those would be 2 different functions once evaluated Aug 20 01:43:38 wouldn't they? Aug 20 01:43:44 do this.tapHandler = game.tapHandler.bind(this) and then listen to this.tapHandler and stop listening to this.tapHandler Aug 20 01:43:50 that Aug 20 01:43:53 ok Aug 20 01:44:00 pre-bind in the reference Aug 20 01:44:08 alright. Aug 20 01:44:30 and I don't know if there are any ramifications to using bindAsEventListener instead of bind Aug 20 01:46:47 so no "var this.tapHandler" needed? just this.tapHandler and javascript automagically creates the var? Aug 20 01:47:09 "this" is the constructor/controller Aug 20 01:47:14 right. Aug 20 01:47:30 so you don't need a var, you just added a property to the constructor prototype Aug 20 01:48:08 and javascript will add it? I still have a hard time wrapping my head around that cause I come from languages that are more strict in var declaration Aug 20 01:48:45 short answer is yes Aug 20 01:48:49 ill assume yes to save you the response Aug 20 01:48:50 oh :P Aug 20 01:50:21 * Anivrom crosses fingers Aug 20 01:51:03 getting there somewhat... Aug 20 01:51:15 Anivrom: it's like MainAssistant.prototype.checkBogosity = function(... could be made with: this.checkBogosity = function(... in you constructor Aug 20 01:51:26 oh Aug 20 01:51:39 this = assistant.prototype Aug 20 01:51:51 in that case right Aug 20 01:52:01 lets not get into the "other" cases Aug 20 01:52:08 usually inside a function ' Aug 20 01:52:15 'this' refers to the function Aug 20 01:52:25 not in my experience Aug 20 01:52:27 and that's why we have bind Aug 20 01:52:30 but that doens't mean anything Aug 20 01:53:20 I mean in inner functions...like if you don't .bind(this) on some things, this won't be what you want Aug 20 01:53:22 I've been known to be wrong once or twice Aug 20 01:53:36 so something like .each() Aug 20 01:54:06 if you don't pass this as a 2nd arg, you can't do things like this.controller inside the iterator function you passed as the first arg Aug 20 01:54:14 right Aug 20 01:54:26 I sorta get that part Aug 20 01:55:09 javascript is a scope nightmare. gimme visual basic with its silky smooth scoping. Aug 20 01:55:55 function scope, simple simple Aug 20 02:02:31 digitalpowers: did you get my recommendations? Aug 20 02:02:42 yay, conversion done Aug 20 02:03:09 although I still get a white screen for a half second while everything loads up Aug 20 02:04:39 still not approved. Aug 20 02:04:46 noted? Aug 20 02:04:48 I'm losing all faith in app reviewers Aug 20 02:05:15 noted Aug 20 02:05:21 hmmm any reason? Aug 20 02:06:37 I dunno. It's been like 5 hours since I submitted it. Aug 20 02:06:48 jeez, reviewers these days Aug 20 02:07:09 oh I thought it was rejected. Aug 20 02:07:17 Got not approved and rejected comfused Aug 20 02:07:39 haeffb: how fast do apps get approved these days? Aug 20 02:07:51 my last one was about 24 hrs Aug 20 02:07:55 20 hrs Aug 20 02:08:12 http://simplenoteapp.com/ Aug 20 02:08:25 we'll be back soon... Aug 20 02:08:51 Anivrom: I wanted to add their new logo to my icon but they won't let me Aug 20 02:09:06 would have been slick Aug 20 02:09:16 interesting Aug 20 02:09:31 Didnt know you were into abstract Aug 20 02:09:56 btw Douglas Crockford doesn't use exception handling. All of his code is exceptional. #okimdone Aug 20 02:17:03 lol Aug 20 02:20:40 * Anivrom finally gets around to adding stopListening to game. Aug 20 02:24:26 hello Aug 20 02:24:34 everyone Aug 20 02:25:08 liak ohai n stuf rite Aug 20 02:25:58 tibfib: lies Aug 20 02:26:00 Error: Error: requireFunction Failed: Mojo.Event.stopListening: 'handlerFunction' parameter must be a function. Aug 20 02:26:04 as per your instructions Aug 20 02:26:13 paste it Aug 20 02:27:27 http://webos.pastebin.com/j8WZ2fTy Aug 20 02:30:17 idk if you need true... Aug 20 02:30:43 that code is fine Aug 20 02:31:07 as far as I can tell Aug 20 02:31:08 whats this liak ohai n stuf... Aug 20 02:31:30 its liak the coolest new thing n stuf rite Aug 20 02:31:39 http://webos101.com/Mojo.Event.stopListening Aug 20 02:32:01 sugardave: doesn't really tell me anything new Aug 20 02:32:16 it clears up the part about whether to use true or not in the stoplistening Aug 20 02:32:27 oh I didnt get rid of true? Aug 20 02:32:30 thoujght I did Aug 20 02:32:32 you're supposed to, but that shouldn't change your reference between setup and cleanup Aug 20 02:32:50 not in what you pasted Aug 20 02:33:00 you only have 3 args in your stoplistening Aug 20 02:33:05 I see it Aug 20 02:34:55 Have I ever mentioned that college financing sucks? Aug 20 02:35:02 Ok so no errors Aug 20 02:35:05 I could own a really nice house Aug 20 02:35:17 or an education Aug 20 02:35:22 choices! Aug 20 02:35:49 * haeffb self-educates Aug 20 02:35:54 or is that medicates? Aug 20 02:36:04 I can never remember Aug 20 02:36:07 idk why I'm putting stop listening events in cleanup()... I never pop the main scene. Aug 20 02:36:27 just a good habit Aug 20 02:36:39 I should put it in deactivate no? Aug 20 02:36:44 no Aug 20 02:36:55 unless you put the listen in activate() Aug 20 02:37:11 si Aug 20 02:37:17 else when another scene is pushed/popped, your listeners won't listen Aug 20 02:37:21 as per sugardave's instructions Aug 20 02:37:26 Hi Aug 20 02:37:32 I dont need them to listen if its on another scene Aug 20 02:37:36 hi kate Aug 20 02:37:42 wut u doin her Aug 20 02:37:43 trueish Aug 20 02:37:48 hi kate Aug 20 02:37:52 tap/flick/drag events? Aug 20 02:37:52 hanging out Aug 20 02:37:53 lol Aug 20 02:37:58 down the street Aug 20 02:38:01 the same old thing Aug 20 02:38:03 we did last week Aug 20 02:38:29 how is that truish? Aug 20 02:38:35 Anivrom: then move them all to activate/deactivate Aug 20 02:39:04 I dunno...there may be some obscure reason... Aug 20 02:39:16 alright, since I bind with (this) I wont run into scope issues due to the fact that my deactivate is in my game.js Aug 20 02:39:25 correct? Aug 20 02:39:47 your deactivate is in game.js? Aug 20 02:39:54 yea. i a smart Aug 20 02:39:57 how does it get called? Aug 20 02:40:17 this.controller.listen(this.controller.stageController.document, Mojo.Event.stageDeactivate, game.stageDeactivate.bind(this), true); Aug 20 02:40:19 thar Aug 20 02:40:23 in setup Aug 20 02:40:38 I dont have a mainscene deactivate Aug 20 02:40:40 to clarify Aug 20 02:40:49 oh...k.... Aug 20 02:40:53 games are a bit different Aug 20 02:41:06 there may be some cases where you want to listen to something on a scene that's not active...but tap/drag/flick definitely not Aug 20 02:41:37 so I guess I should create a mainassistant deactivate method? Aug 20 02:41:40 function* Aug 20 02:41:47 there should already be one Aug 20 02:41:48 and then put my stoplistens in there Aug 20 02:41:52 not in ares Aug 20 02:41:55 :D Aug 20 02:41:56 that's dumb Aug 20 02:41:57 again Aug 20 02:42:02 if you put the listens in activate() then yes Aug 20 02:42:05 sugardave we've been through this all before lol Aug 20 02:42:38 ok so deactivate gets called no matter what if cleanup is called right? Aug 20 02:42:50 in the application launch cycle it has the names of all the functions Aug 20 02:42:53 cause if I for some reason pop main, I dont want the listeneres to persist Aug 20 02:43:03 yes Aug 20 02:43:11 deactivate is called before cleanup Aug 20 02:43:14 alright Aug 20 02:43:17 deactivate happens when the scene is deactivated, either by swap to new, push to new, or pop Aug 20 02:43:23 good stuff Aug 20 02:43:46 wut up biff? Aug 20 02:43:55 haeffb! Aug 20 02:44:01 no doubt! Aug 20 02:44:09 hmm Aug 20 02:44:14 heh, how's webos ville? Aug 20 02:44:14 skool start yet? Aug 20 02:44:23 o ya - into week 3 Aug 20 02:44:26 rockin' and rollin' Aug 20 02:44:30 technically shouldnt I put my document deactivate/activate listeners in my stage assistant instead of main? Aug 20 02:44:31 wow. first day here. Aug 20 02:44:32 we start crazy early Aug 20 02:44:52 it's kickin my butt too Aug 20 02:45:06 technically it doesn't matter, unless you swapscene main for something else Aug 20 02:45:23 * haeffb couldn't be a teacher with today's teens. Aug 20 02:45:32 well I have sceneLoaded conditionals that dont reactivate setup/activate stuffs Aug 20 02:45:58 * BigBiff_ not sure i can do it for 18 more years Aug 20 02:46:02 lol Aug 20 02:46:08 My wife just quit teachers college Aug 20 02:46:25 had 1 year left to becoming an art teacher for gr 7-8's Aug 20 02:46:40 eww middle school Aug 20 02:47:16 BigBiff_: still haven't seen the app... Aug 20 02:47:17 She's getting involved with a banner making business with my MOM of all people. she hangs out with my mom like 4 times a week. They are best buddies. Aug 20 02:47:19 Kinda scary Aug 20 02:47:22 heh Aug 20 02:47:33 still havent moved it to my new comp Aug 20 02:47:42 it just sits there on my phone Aug 20 02:47:49 only being used by 4 people Aug 20 02:47:53 hehe Aug 20 02:48:42 i need to throw all my eclipse workspaces in 'my dropbox' i guess Aug 20 02:49:00 just too lazy Aug 20 02:49:20 yeah. teachers. work 4 hrs a day and take summers off... Aug 20 02:49:29 "work" Aug 20 02:49:36 no, its real work Aug 20 02:49:37 precisely Aug 20 02:49:42 hehe Aug 20 02:50:18 yell at kids for a minute, check email, call it a day Aug 20 02:50:23 Putting up with kids is real work, im sure all you parents know that, now try multiplying that by 30, AND trying to get them to sit still while you TEACH them things Aug 20 02:50:27 sweet gig if you can get it. Aug 20 02:50:38 hey BigBiff_, this might be useful: http://www.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/noted Aug 20 02:50:41 it's all in who you know Aug 20 02:51:01 * BigBiff_ looking Aug 20 02:51:35 Anivrom made the pretty icon Aug 20 02:51:52 apparently not so pretty since haeffb was trying to replace it Aug 20 02:51:53 :P Aug 20 02:52:10 I wasn't going to replace it. just stick the logo in the bottom left corner Aug 20 02:52:21 with a red NOTED stamp on it Aug 20 02:52:29 sweet Aug 20 02:52:48 did you do the snazzy jquery too? Aug 20 02:53:03 jquery? Aug 20 02:53:18 oh, is that built into that site? Aug 20 02:53:23 oooh....forgot about the noted stamp. I'll have to get right on that. Aug 20 02:54:28 * BigBiff_ is so out of the loop Aug 20 02:54:59 * Anivrom moves for statment up a few lines Aug 20 02:55:10 there, now you're in Aug 20 02:55:18 hehe Aug 20 02:55:36 im all "each" now Aug 20 02:55:40 boo Aug 20 02:55:49 whatever happened to good old fashion js Aug 20 02:56:06 that's just too much book learnin Aug 20 02:56:41 $(bla).each(do everything for me) Aug 20 02:56:43 done Aug 20 02:57:02 no book learnins aneedid Aug 20 02:57:44 agenda is still my most-used app Aug 20 02:58:01 BigBiff_: I agree, I love each Aug 20 02:58:23 dont forget Aug 20 02:58:30 absolute - always - no exceptions ever Aug 20 02:58:42 (position, that is Aug 20 02:58:44 ) Aug 20 02:59:17 I still use fixed for some scenes and all absolute as children of it Aug 20 02:59:46 did i mention i'm still bad at css? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Aug 20 02:59:56 2010