**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Aug 21 02:59:57 2010 Aug 21 03:01:02 haeffb: moving the slider does not change anything Aug 21 03:01:09 value still the same Aug 21 03:03:33 you have to define the model and attributes before the setupWidget, not after Aug 21 03:05:42 ok let me try that Aug 21 03:09:06 haeffb: ok still nothing... slider moves, but value does not seem to change Aug 21 03:10:24 haeffb: is "this.sleepSliderModel.value" in function correct? Aug 21 03:11:13 yes, that should be fine Aug 21 03:14:09 brb Aug 21 03:21:39 haeffb: it works, now, but the slider app load, always defaults to the left of slider even if value is 100 etc... Aug 21 03:29:17 LoneStar99: pastebin again Aug 21 03:29:55 OK Aug 21 03:31:21 haeffb: http://pastebin.com/Si44PeAe Aug 21 03:32:04 what is the value of BasCookie.cookies.someCookie.dough.zzz Aug 21 03:32:45 cookie value Aug 21 03:33:12 do a log output so you can see exactly what is going into the Model.value Aug 21 03:37:19 haeffb: if the slider value is set at '80' the position on slider should dislay it at 80 right? Aug 21 03:38:37 I believe so Aug 21 03:40:58 yeah i would think, so, but for me it always defaults to 0 "left" position on app loading Aug 21 03:44:12 thunderstorm caused a powercycle Aug 21 03:44:33 wow, raining hard out yonder? Aug 21 03:44:40 twas Aug 21 03:45:23 k Aug 21 03:45:41 pretty dry here in south texas, rained some weeks ago Aug 21 03:52:09 brb Aug 21 03:57:20 testing Aug 21 03:59:05 1.. 2.. 3.. Aug 21 03:59:37 we cant hear you Aug 21 03:59:52 sry, just playing with colors Aug 21 04:00:47 yeah Aug 21 04:02:21 I think this will work Aug 21 04:11:38 just installed navit and it doesn't seem to want to start up. I'm using 1.4.5 Aug 21 04:23:48 so i am loading images in my app pulled from the internet Aug 21 04:24:12 and the are loading from top to bottom Aug 21 04:24:18 and it kinda makes it load like a web page Aug 21 04:24:28 is there any easy way to preload them? Aug 21 04:50:36 f-cking eclipse deleted a file... which can't be reproduced.... Aug 21 04:50:39 f-ck Aug 21 04:52:02 hello everyone Aug 21 04:52:04 I return Aug 21 05:40:06 Hey Aug 21 05:44:49 CTLAdvance: Hey Aug 21 05:45:02 hello kesne Aug 21 05:45:09 LoneStar99: Hey Aug 21 05:45:22 Hey Kesne Aug 21 05:45:35 Was getting ready to call it quits Aug 21 05:45:43 How are you doing Aug 21 05:45:49 CTLAdvance: no quitting Aug 21 05:46:06 CTLAdvance: LoneStar99 is right Aug 21 05:46:08 ok take an extended break for the evening Aug 21 05:46:22 or morning I should say now Aug 21 05:48:24 accidentally deleted a file, wasted some time having to recreate it Aug 21 05:48:42 * dkirker falls over Aug 21 05:48:46 zzzzzzzz Aug 21 05:49:34 sucks Aug 21 05:52:52 Kesne did you say someone posted your number on 4chan Aug 21 05:52:58 Yeah Aug 21 05:52:59 hahahahahaha Aug 21 05:53:00 why? Aug 21 05:53:05 oy Aug 21 05:53:09 oy? Aug 21 05:53:12 WAS IT YOU!? Aug 21 05:53:14 thats not good Aug 21 05:53:17 no Aug 21 05:53:40 I wouldnt want that to happen to me, so I wouldnt do it to someone else Aug 21 05:53:50 people calling you? Aug 21 05:54:02 god palm's engineering is amazing Aug 21 05:54:28 to think that a company could develop such great software, AND hardware with such a small footprint is pretty amazing Aug 21 05:54:32 http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Palm-Pre-Teardown/809/3 Aug 21 05:54:42 alright Aug 21 05:54:46 I need to go to sleep Aug 21 05:58:17 CTLAdvance: One text Aug 21 05:58:22 CTLAdvance: Thank god nobody cared Aug 21 05:58:31 yeah... thats not good Aug 21 05:58:39 I would change your number Aug 21 06:01:20 night everyone Aug 21 06:02:26 got a pre plus developer device today Aug 21 06:02:34 very excited Aug 21 06:02:38 this makes everything so much simpler Aug 21 06:02:42 welcome to the club Aug 21 06:02:44 than trying to use my phone to develop Aug 21 06:02:53 I have had a really hard time getting one Aug 21 06:03:28 mine was free Aug 21 06:03:37 mine too! :D Aug 21 06:08:24 did you attend the dev days? Aug 21 06:08:40 yup Aug 21 06:09:16 ah, well see, I had finals that week, so there was no way I was going Aug 21 06:09:32 now do you see? Aug 21 06:09:36 do you see what I have done? Aug 21 06:10:04 you… cheated? Aug 21 06:10:50 no no, I enhanced my odds! Aug 21 06:13:14 this original pre of mine is starting to look old Aug 21 06:13:19 I could use some new hardware... Aug 21 06:17:05 alright chat tommorrow gonna hit the hay Aug 21 06:17:06 'lates Aug 21 06:17:13 peace! Aug 21 06:22:22 Hey all Aug 21 06:24:09 alexfner: HJow do I know you? Aug 21 06:27:27 yes Aug 21 06:27:32 I am in here most every day Aug 21 06:27:59 I officially quit my job Aug 21 06:28:01 to make apps Aug 21 06:28:04 for webOS Aug 21 06:28:21 and maybe open an espresso shop in the future Aug 21 06:35:57 that's awesome Aug 21 06:36:01 good luck Aug 21 06:36:14 well it's not entirely true Aug 21 06:36:18 I did quit my job Aug 21 06:36:25 err, not quit, but not coming back Aug 21 06:36:36 but I will be going to classes and developing apps Aug 21 06:36:41 not opening an espresso shop Aug 21 06:36:59 nice. you in college/university? Aug 21 06:37:10 yes Aug 21 06:37:53 cool. I'm a junior in computer engineering Aug 21 06:38:01 werd Aug 21 06:38:04 sophomore Aug 21 06:38:07 where at? Aug 21 06:38:21 uahuntsville. it's in alabama. Aug 21 06:38:29 you? Aug 21 06:38:42 michigan Aug 21 06:38:45 ann arbor Aug 21 06:38:59 do you make webOS apps? Aug 21 06:39:32 no, but I've had my pre since launch day & have been an avid webos supporter Aug 21 06:39:46 played around some last summer (2009) with apps Aug 21 06:39:55 have you considered it? or is it not of interest? Aug 21 06:39:57 but not much time between work/class Aug 21 06:40:14 no actually I love the prospect of it Aug 21 06:40:39 yes yes Aug 21 06:40:52 I am really excited, cause I finally have a dev device Aug 21 06:40:57 and finally got out of that job Aug 21 06:41:01 and I'm going for it Aug 21 06:41:13 that's cool. you have any apps out? Aug 21 06:41:50 critical mass Aug 21 06:41:56 but that was back in february Aug 21 06:42:00 and I haven't released anything since Aug 21 06:42:04 but I am working on stuff now Aug 21 06:42:07 nice, got it! Aug 21 06:42:10 great! Aug 21 06:42:32 I seriously have over 325 "official" palm apps downloaded Aug 21 06:42:59 probably around 350 now with the new PDK ones out Aug 21 06:43:19 nice Aug 21 06:43:31 man, using a palm pre plus after using a regular palm pre for a year really makes me excited about the prospect of new hardware Aug 21 06:43:51 really? that's tight Aug 21 06:44:05 I've been really really wanting to try one out Aug 21 06:44:27 my pre slider is horrid Aug 21 06:44:31 and this one is really nice Aug 21 06:44:50 the buttons are so used, the finish is partially gone from them, enough to be hiddeous Aug 21 06:44:55 so this has no buttons Aug 21 06:45:02 more memory Aug 21 06:45:06 a clickier keyboard Aug 21 06:45:16 and a great slider Aug 21 06:45:19 so yeah, melikes Aug 21 06:46:21 sweet! I'm on my 3rd referb from sprint, so don't have scratches for a long time haha Aug 21 06:47:16 but alas, it's late. I'm out Aug 21 07:47:55 hi guys ... anyone known how to get or set cookies from webview? Aug 21 13:48:13 good morning #webos Aug 21 13:48:30 haeffb_: howdy Aug 21 13:49:09 I am wondering why all these xChat themes make the server messages stand out more than the actual channel messages Aug 21 13:49:18 seems backwards to me Aug 21 13:50:12 Decided not go with mIRC? Aug 21 13:50:26 no decision yet, but I am liking xchat Aug 21 13:50:33 hmm, may have to try it Aug 21 13:51:13 i use silverx's xchat Aug 21 13:51:22 brb, gonna go get my right username.... :) Aug 21 13:51:28 er silverex Aug 21 13:52:51 mornig Aug 21 13:53:03 that feels better! Aug 21 14:00:50 hmm, I don't think the wor chat thing works in my browser Aug 21 14:00:56 :S Aug 21 14:01:19 it's a flash thingy Aug 21 14:01:30 well, it's running...I just don't seem to be able to talk Aug 21 14:01:41 I don't understand why were not using irc though Aug 21 14:01:49 yeah, me neither Aug 21 14:02:27 wow, developer.palm.com is really broken in firefox 4 Aug 21 14:02:38 I'll try ff Aug 21 14:02:45 almost as bad as on the phone Aug 21 14:03:04 me third Aug 21 14:07:18 Tibfib: are you going to support cross-app launch in MM? Aug 21 14:07:28 sugardave: like? Aug 21 14:08:02 like if you wanted to launch a specific room from your app, that'll be supported Aug 21 14:08:04 like, my app would launch MM and create a room/area/whatever you are calling it Aug 21 14:08:06 sweet Aug 21 14:08:21 how about creation? Aug 21 14:08:34 sugardave: from another app? hmm Aug 21 14:08:39 like it's a new room that doesn't exist yet? Aug 21 14:08:52 I'll think about that one Aug 21 14:09:09 cool Aug 21 14:10:51 oh hell, I think I just broke ff Aug 21 14:11:27 ff was alredy broken, you just found where Aug 21 14:13:18 arg. I think my pre luna resets more with 1.4.5 Aug 21 14:13:38 really? I haven't seen a single one... Aug 21 14:14:45 my pre won't wake up, and then it does and luna resets Aug 21 14:16:09 I saw that frequently under 1.4.1, but not since updating. Aug 21 14:16:37 I cannot copy/paste in that flash chat Aug 21 14:17:23 Heh, I _have_ to copy & paste because I can't type ' or ? because it screws up my key layout in the flash chat Aug 21 14:18:05 maybe I can paste into it Aug 21 14:18:24 I can paste Aug 21 14:23:14 the flash chat annoys me. Aug 21 14:23:20 yes, it is lame Aug 21 14:26:39 trying to follow the http://www.webos101.com wiki on using Ares, and am lost on the first step... Aug 21 14:26:57 Create a new folder off Applications by clicking the +Folder icon Aug 21 14:26:59 why would you do that? Aug 21 14:27:08 don't have git installed Aug 21 14:27:16 ah Aug 21 14:27:20 er. I do, but don't know how to use it... :) Aug 21 14:27:33 but looks like I'm in the same boat with Ares Aug 21 14:27:34 haha Aug 21 14:27:36 yeah, it took me a few hours to get everything set up Aug 21 14:27:44 when I started messing with git Aug 21 14:27:51 git is way confusing to begin with Aug 21 14:27:56 actually I have egit or some such setup in eclipse Aug 21 14:27:59 I don't really get it, but I can do what I want to do Aug 21 14:28:23 Tibfib: I sort of get git...I can checkout/clone with it, that's all I care about atm Aug 21 14:28:27 :D Aug 21 14:28:43 yeah, lol, I know how to fork and commit to others source :) Aug 21 14:28:50 but that's basically it Aug 21 14:29:14 haeffb: you can download the source as a tarball or something, and then get somebody to upload changes for you if you can't make Ares work Aug 21 14:29:27 what's the git url? Aug 21 14:29:37 I can pull it straight into eclipse Aug 21 14:29:48 githuhttp://github.com/webOSroundup/Hackathon-Number-1 Aug 21 14:29:51 er Aug 21 14:29:53 http://github.com/webOSroundup/Hackathon-Number-1 Aug 21 14:30:58 or maybe not... Aug 21 14:31:19 you have to register your ssh signature with github or something like that Aug 21 14:34:21 I have done that in the past Aug 21 14:34:31 done & myles are on github Aug 21 14:35:02 I haven't tried to use egit...I have it installed, but maybe it's broken :D Aug 21 14:38:55 just too many options & no docs Aug 21 14:40:19 hmmm...what I seem to lack is the knowledge of hot clone a project then make eclipse use that dir as a webos project Aug 21 14:41:28 same here Aug 21 14:41:50 although I did import wirc sometime ago, so I know it's possible... :) Aug 21 14:41:52 I'm jus tmaking a new project with the same name, then I'll clone it Aug 21 14:42:19 oh that doesn't work Aug 21 14:47:19 ar Aug 21 14:47:42 sugardave: Are you still trying to import the git project into eclipse? Aug 21 14:48:42 I think we both is Aug 21 14:49:06 jkovacs: yes Aug 21 14:49:08 here's what I did: clone the project to filesystem, then create new webos project in the same directory. dismiss error message about appinfo.json and cancel project wizard, then right click the project in the proejct explorer -> open Aug 21 14:49:17 I just did that Aug 21 14:49:28 seems to work, but not sure if I will be able to push Aug 21 14:49:33 I guess I can from command line Aug 21 14:49:46 pushing will be a new experience for me anyway :D Aug 21 14:50:09 me too I still don't have this ssh key thingy Aug 21 14:50:16 I have that :D Aug 21 14:50:38 if you right click the project -> team -> share you can add the project to the git repo again Aug 21 14:51:01 then you'll have the commit actions in eclipse again Aug 21 14:52:53 ah, okay I will try that...thanks! Aug 21 14:54:02 Ok, I'm in. Aug 21 14:54:24 hmm, it won't let me add a repo :D Aug 21 14:55:05 oh hey there it is Aug 21 14:55:16 Crap! I lied... I can't remember how I got started with another repo Aug 21 14:55:49 you guys might get to see my .project files :D Aug 21 14:56:31 cool, got my public key set up Aug 21 15:02:15 * haeffb needs to clean old projects out of eclipse! Aug 21 15:02:46 yeah, my bar is almost scrollable with them all collapsed Aug 21 15:03:09 funkatron: comes in and organizes shit. awesome. Aug 21 15:03:20 lol yeah Aug 21 15:03:35 he has experience with open source projects... we need him :) Aug 21 15:03:38 hah, I've just done this a couple times. Aug 21 15:05:22 okay, bbiaf Aug 21 15:09:21 I don't like the way xchat (and mirc) minimize Aug 21 15:09:31 cygwin/irssi Aug 21 15:09:52 it doesn't color, though...it's just an old terminal app Aug 21 15:10:15 xchat is fine, I just have to go hunt in my "hidden icons" whenever I minimize it. Aug 21 15:10:52 there's probably some hidden setting somewhere that I can change. Aug 21 15:10:54 you can have it show up Aug 21 15:11:09 I like how it minimizes :) Aug 21 15:13:18 to the icon tray? Aug 21 15:13:23 yeah Aug 21 15:13:36 you can move it to always show up in the icon tray Aug 21 15:13:50 Tibfib: do you use a .gitignore per project or a "global" core excludes file? Aug 21 15:14:06 Ok, have done that Aug 21 15:14:09 no clue. Aug 21 15:14:20 funkatron! I don't remember how you got me started with git on spaz Aug 21 15:14:34 I can't remember to do the same with the hackathon git Aug 21 15:14:35 I think I will blow off the ignore stuff, we will end up with a slightly dirtier repo :D Aug 21 15:14:51 tibfib: fork it, use your own repo Aug 21 15:15:01 I got that far :) Aug 21 15:15:15 okay, where are ya stuck atm? Aug 21 15:15:29 I can't get the source from my git project Aug 21 15:15:33 my forked git project Aug 21 15:15:40 okay, what are you doing to get it? Aug 21 15:16:10 I tried opening a repository (using git gui) Aug 21 15:16:14 ah Aug 21 15:16:20 you need to make your own repo locally Aug 21 15:16:30 Okay, well I've done that too Aug 21 15:16:34 okay Aug 21 15:16:35 but I can't fetch the stuff Aug 21 15:16:51 did you clone your github repo? Aug 21 15:16:58 No, should I have? Aug 21 15:16:59 or did you just make a new, local, empty one? Aug 21 15:17:02 that's the easiest way Aug 21 15:17:09 okay, I'll do that Aug 21 15:17:14 I would blow away the existing local repo (jsut delete the folder Aug 21 15:17:27 Tibfib: I cloned first, then made a new eclipse proj on tha texisting dir, and ignore the error about appinfo.json Aug 21 15:17:37 when you clone your github repo it will set it up as "orgin" in your local, and yu push and pull from that Aug 21 15:19:13 Nice, that's just what I needed Aug 21 15:19:19 thanks funkatron Aug 21 15:19:57 which one of you is Frank Zammetti Aug 21 15:19:59 np tibfib Aug 21 15:23:24 none of us is Frank Zammetti, as far as I know. I'm sure I'm not. Aug 21 15:23:44 I don't think I am Aug 21 15:24:33 * Tibfib checks license Aug 21 15:24:35 nope, not me Aug 21 15:27:13 word Aug 21 15:28:50 hey Tibfib has anybody started with the article list scene? Aug 21 15:28:58 I don't think so Aug 21 15:29:06 I just posted in the chat Aug 21 15:29:10 we should make an irc channel Aug 21 15:29:18 yup Aug 21 15:29:22 that chat is gonna make me stab myself in the eye Aug 21 15:29:26 hahaha Aug 21 15:29:28 sugardave: give me a task.... Aug 21 15:29:37 funkatron: yeahhh Aug 21 15:29:50 yup Aug 21 15:29:59 can yo go ahead and open a channel? Aug 21 15:30:03 if needed, I can stab people in the eye so they can keep coding Aug 21 15:30:21 #wor-hackathon Aug 21 15:30:46 I have no idea how to OP channels Aug 21 15:31:03 haeffb: first task, decide if this app needs to be multi-stage :D Aug 21 15:31:18 no. Aug 21 15:31:20 next? Aug 21 15:31:30 join above channel Aug 21 15:31:35 done did Aug 21 15:36:47 funkatron: does spaz take a launch param to tweet something? Aug 21 15:37:08 kinda? there is code to kinda do that Aug 21 15:37:30 just thinking that this app could call Spaz to tweek fav urls Aug 21 15:37:38 s/tweek/tweet Aug 21 15:38:16 oh yeah, that would be sweet Aug 21 15:38:29 altho that's kind of a roundabout way of getting there. Aug 21 15:38:30 easier than putting twitter integration into the app itself Aug 21 15:39:27 you can share things on twitter via a spacial share website, too Aug 21 15:39:37 it's not really done, but it's like halfway done Aug 21 15:39:40 like on facebook too Aug 21 15:39:53 join #wor-hackathon if you want to talk about the hackathon Aug 21 15:52:35 dkirker: ping! Aug 21 15:59:14 hiya Tibfib! Aug 21 17:01:26 sugardave: so is there a channel for this hackathon? Aug 21 17:01:38 (and sorry for being late to the party) Aug 21 17:01:43 hackathon? Aug 21 17:01:49 official chat is here: http://gsnap.com/webosroundup/1387 Aug 21 17:01:58 some of us are in #wor-hackathon Aug 21 17:02:41 thanks jkovacs Aug 21 17:53:00 Hey Aug 21 17:53:36 I thought you weren't helping Aug 21 17:53:46 #wor-hackathon Aug 21 17:55:20 kesne: ^^^ Aug 21 17:55:32 I want a free touchstone Aug 21 17:55:35 I'm not developing Aug 21 17:55:36 Only UI Aug 21 17:55:42 I hate developing on Git Aug 21 17:55:47 leecher Aug 21 17:55:50 +1 Aug 21 18:52:27 I has returned Aug 21 18:53:39 are their any fun games for the pixi ? Aug 21 18:55:52 haeffb: For the WOR app are you using cookies for everything? Aug 21 18:56:15 I don't even know if there will be preferences.... Aug 21 18:56:28 haeffb: You're the head of that section though :O Aug 21 18:57:00 nope, I'm just the only one in there. & I made it up. Aug 21 18:57:25 haeffb: Heh. Text color/size? Aug 21 18:57:51 onion here who is working on PDK stuffs? Aug 21 18:59:04 so far, I have an option to enable/disable landscape... Aug 21 18:59:15 haeffb: Can I join you? Aug 21 19:04:27 sure Aug 21 19:07:17 haeffb: It's in the git, no? Aug 21 19:16:04 haeffb: I'll take a look in a bit Aug 21 19:16:24 no Aug 21 19:16:32 can't get it there yet Aug 21 19:19:46 haeffb: Where is it? Aug 21 19:21:49 I'm still working out how to push/pull git stuff Aug 21 19:23:46 haeffb: Okay. Well if you want, you COULD just send me the files Aug 21 19:29:36 still trying to get git Aug 21 19:33:47 Does anyone know how late the hackathon is going? Aug 21 19:34:03 10pm eastern Aug 21 19:34:21 ahh :( maybe next time Aug 21 19:49:42 haeffb: What are you using to store settings? Aug 21 19:50:18 cookie Aug 21 19:54:04 haeffb: Okay. Got git working yet? Aug 21 20:15:22 kesne, not sure Aug 21 20:15:29 haeffb: Alright Aug 21 20:15:38 haeffb: Well I have settings ideas for you Aug 21 20:24:22 hi Aug 21 20:24:42 howdy Aug 21 20:27:57 kesne: what ideas? Aug 21 20:28:32 haeffb: Text color/size Aug 21 20:29:09 Prefs are easy, somebody has to write the code to change text color/size though Aug 21 20:42:51 haeffb: That's really really easy Aug 21 20:43:08 Ok. bbiab. have to reboot. Aug 21 21:05:30 hi all! Aug 21 21:06:03 hi JenP! Aug 21 21:06:11 * JenP waves Aug 21 21:06:28 everyone is in #wor-hackathon Aug 21 21:06:35 what's that? Aug 21 21:06:48 webOSRoundUp Read It Later Hackathon :) Aug 21 21:06:59 o cool Aug 21 21:07:04 http://www.webosroundup.com/2010/08/the-wor-hackathon/ Aug 21 21:07:51 food time! Aug 21 21:07:53 very cool Aug 21 21:07:56 ciao Aug 21 21:08:01 byes Aug 21 21:23:29 howdy folks Aug 21 21:49:23 maik: Ping Aug 21 21:51:54 hi Aug 21 22:12:11 anyun here? Aug 21 22:17:14 * MetaView turns around Aug 21 22:18:11 * JenP waves Aug 21 22:18:28 seems to be quite crowdy here :D Aug 21 22:18:40