**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Aug 22 02:59:58 2010 Aug 22 03:00:05 I think I left that out Aug 22 03:01:29 I don't remember Aug 22 03:01:31 hah Aug 22 03:01:34 let me try this all again Aug 22 03:01:36 alright Aug 22 03:01:39 so we can move past that question Aug 22 03:01:42 to question 3 Aug 22 03:02:23 I've got a texture that is being compressed in soil, it is supposed to be the background for the game, and on display it looks quite compressed Aug 22 03:02:50 any suggestions here? I made the texture to fit the pixels perfectly... Aug 22 03:03:11 The texture needs to be a power of two Aug 22 03:03:33 I have done that, padded the rest of the image in grey Aug 22 03:03:43 it's 512x512 Aug 22 03:04:49 On my big textures like that they look compressed on my monitor, but they don't on my device for some reason. Aug 22 03:05:02 Maybe that's the same case for you. Aug 22 03:05:20 ah, gotcha Aug 22 03:05:44 yeah I guess I need to get this to compile correctly for the device Aug 22 03:05:47 that's the next task Aug 22 03:12:56 It could indicate a problem, but I'm not going to worry about it until I see muddy looking textures on the device. Aug 22 03:17:17 It's time to get the kids to bed. Good night everybody. Aug 22 03:18:36 hey Aug 22 03:19:02 harro Aug 22 03:19:02 treo700 had some sortof interface software to sync. where can I get the equivilant software for a pre? Aug 22 03:24:46 Hi ShadeS: are you talking about syncing to the cloud? Aug 22 03:43:27 man I cannot get this to compile for the device Aug 22 03:43:45 anyone around want to help out? Aug 22 03:46:39 hi alexfner, would help, but have limited experience with pdk Aug 22 04:23:02 pretty quiet in here Aug 22 05:16:30 it is quiet in here Aug 22 05:16:46 hey dkirker, know anything about that there pdk? Aug 22 05:23:51 glad i have a beer Aug 22 05:23:55 hackathon over Aug 22 05:24:07 I didn't hear a word of anything Aug 22 05:24:16 until the final goodbyes Aug 22 05:24:42 lol - cuz they made you mute.... Aug 22 05:25:00 yeah, I hit chat not call, so I thought my shit would be off Aug 22 05:25:02 but nooooo Aug 22 05:25:18 who is balmer? Aug 22 05:25:28 grrokgames, I think Aug 22 05:25:32 made wobble words Aug 22 05:25:37 and some other stuff Aug 22 05:25:46 got hired by Palm a couple of months ago, I think Aug 22 05:26:00 oh, right Aug 22 05:26:16 cool, everyone was at hackaton? Aug 22 05:27:02 a lot of people in the beginning Aug 22 05:27:05 webosroundup? Aug 22 05:27:09 yeah, we was git'in and skype'in Aug 22 05:27:24 not a lot of cod'in though Aug 22 05:27:33 nice, was to busy finding a liquid pencil Aug 22 05:27:34 haeffb: so is that it, or is there a regroup occurring? Aug 22 05:27:51 they're going to put it back on git Aug 22 05:28:00 oh good Aug 22 05:28:01 and then try to figure out how to manage Aug 22 05:28:04 so what were you guys making? Aug 22 05:28:16 a read it later app Aug 22 05:28:22 bookmark storage Aug 22 05:28:31 oh that's cool Aug 22 05:28:55 sugardave: sounds like the kindle Aug 22 05:29:03 the background and the font colors really don't work Aug 22 05:29:07 so is it over? Aug 22 05:29:14 not really, it's just for web pages Aug 22 05:29:17 did you guys successfully hack the palm pre into pieces? Aug 22 05:29:39 and then reassemble it into the palm c40 Aug 22 05:30:09 rwhitby would not be pleased Aug 22 05:30:51 yeah, I thought about that when I was fixing the background image css Aug 22 05:31:31 man you guys are speaking in code Aug 22 05:31:33 america's playground "wlamart" was a madhouse Aug 22 05:31:43 cause I still don't know what the point of the hackathon was Aug 22 05:31:50 or what it was meant to do Aug 22 05:31:54 and what the result was Aug 22 05:31:59 alexfner: same here, but maybe it is the beer Aug 22 05:32:43 LoneStar99: it is not the beer, all I've had is iced tea as try to get my app compiled for the device (PDK) Aug 22 05:32:53 it was about 30 developers all working to create an app in one day Aug 22 05:33:08 with no planning Aug 22 05:33:15 and no real leadership Aug 22 05:33:26 and most of us not knowing how to use git outside of an initial clone :D Aug 22 05:33:36 it was exciting Aug 22 05:33:45 exhilirating Aug 22 05:33:52 so did you finish the app? Aug 22 05:33:56 haha Aug 22 05:33:57 sort of Aug 22 05:34:05 it kinda works-ish Aug 22 05:34:20 what was the app supposed to do? Aug 22 05:34:35 00:27 < sugardave> a read it later app Aug 22 05:34:35 00:27 < sugardave> bookmark storage Aug 22 05:34:52 uses the read-it-later API to access saved bookmarks (urls) to read Aug 22 05:34:58 and save to the API Aug 22 05:35:09 why not just save bookmarks? Aug 22 05:35:42 you can use the read-it-later site to add bookmarks, add them on your phone, have access to them either place Aug 22 05:36:10 go to a different PC and they're still available Aug 22 05:36:18 oh I see Aug 22 05:36:33 so basically, make an app that interfaces with an existing web API? Aug 22 05:37:34 yes Aug 22 05:37:47 was this the webosroundup hack? Aug 22 05:37:51 yes Aug 22 05:37:56 was it RESTful? Aug 22 05:38:00 the api, I mean Aug 22 05:38:30 Yes Aug 22 05:38:42 cool Aug 22 05:38:42 so you had someone who could do that? Aug 22 05:39:09 do what? Aug 22 05:39:38 Frank Zammetti was involved Aug 22 05:39:49 it is not very complicated to do build a such a service, just time intensive to get all working together in a short period of time Aug 22 05:39:51 author of Practical Palm Pre Projects (or somesuch) Aug 22 05:39:53 who understand rest api's Aug 22 05:40:06 alexfner: i do Aug 22 05:40:23 LoneStar99: but you weren't there! Aug 22 05:40:36 I think Frank wrote the api code Aug 22 05:41:14 there were a lot of "well-known" developers hacking Aug 22 05:41:24 so do we have an app? Aug 22 05:41:29 http://webos101.com/WebOSroundup_Hackathon Aug 22 05:41:32 alexfner: was not there, but the bookmark service, thingy is not very complicated Aug 22 05:41:39 it will likely be in the beta feed tomorrow Aug 22 05:41:44 the RIL API is pretty simple Aug 22 05:42:19 it looks nice Aug 22 05:44:20 will join the next hack-a-thon was busy today Aug 22 05:44:21 laters, way past my bedtime! Aug 22 05:44:31 adios haeffb Aug 22 05:44:42 does anyone know of a good site to get zip codes from long/lat Aug 22 05:46:23 you will have to use an api for that Aug 22 06:01:29 Hey Aug 22 06:02:03 sup kesne Aug 22 06:03:26 heyo Aug 22 06:04:22 Just finished pwning cloudhopper Aug 22 06:04:30 dkirker! Aug 22 06:04:40 hi kesne Aug 22 06:04:58 time to go look at the stars! Aug 22 06:05:07 nice Aug 22 06:05:17 what? Aug 22 06:05:25 I got 100,000 Aug 22 06:06:16 So, my tab key isn't working like it should Aug 22 06:09:55 LoneStar99: http://listen.grooveshark.com/#/s/Pancake+Lizard/umssw enjoy Aug 22 06:10:04 aphex twin, hot off the presses Aug 22 06:10:11 I love webOS Aug 22 06:10:31 are you going to marry it? Aug 22 06:11:45 or does it not feel the same way about you? Aug 22 06:11:58 have you even told it you feel this way? Aug 22 06:12:36 alexfner: nice Aug 22 06:13:00 LoneStar99: you like? Aphex Twin is great Aug 22 06:13:55 yeah it is nice, like the UI of grooveshark also Aug 22 06:15:04 alexfner: was i chatting with you about combining style in thml? Aug 22 06:15:07 html Aug 22 06:15:18 and how bad it was Aug 22 06:15:20 ? Aug 22 06:15:31 hrm, maybe? Aug 22 06:15:38 why do you ask? Aug 22 06:15:56 I made the hackathon app logo :D Aug 22 06:16:29 well anyways cleaned that shit up, and is about 33-43% more efficient Aug 22 06:16:38 adding classes Aug 22 06:16:38 nice nice Aug 22 06:16:43 yeah I was talking to someone about it Aug 22 06:16:50 using prototypes class type? Aug 22 06:17:17 Im out everyone Aug 22 06:17:21 Have a nice night! Aug 22 06:17:25 later Aug 22 06:17:45 neah took a few hours to match code with defined css classes Aug 22 06:18:58 but at the end is alot more efficient Aug 22 06:19:52 yessir Aug 22 06:19:56 it's something I need to do Aug 22 06:20:07 everything is written with prototypal inheritance Aug 22 06:20:13 but there are places where classes would have been better Aug 22 06:20:29 interesting Aug 22 06:23:07 the next release of my app will include "parties" kinda like a irc channel but different, but anyways the feature will work better on optimized UI code Aug 22 06:23:56 I bet Aug 22 06:24:30 if it was plain text would be fine, but it is very dynamic in nature Aug 22 06:29:00 alexfner: where u at? Aug 22 06:29:22 here! Aug 22 06:29:50 state? Aug 22 06:30:22 NY Aug 22 06:30:25 right now Aug 22 06:30:28 MI in about a week Aug 22 06:31:07 what about you? Aug 22 06:31:30 TX, 1.5 months back in CA Aug 22 06:32:37 ah werd Aug 22 06:32:39 hot there? Aug 22 06:32:46 yeah Aug 22 06:32:54 microbrews there? Aug 22 06:32:54 abit to hot Aug 22 06:34:55 not here Aug 22 06:35:11 no no? Aug 22 06:35:22 what art thou drinking sire? Aug 22 06:35:36 taking a nip of tequila Aug 22 06:36:08 oh oh I see Aug 22 06:36:15 I thought you said bEEr Aug 22 06:36:17 cerveza? Aug 22 06:36:21 that too Aug 22 06:37:42 i drink anything, not very picky, just enjoying the moment Aug 22 06:38:16 hahaha Aug 22 06:40:53 yeah, i guess had reached my lowest some months ago, now it is just magic Aug 22 06:43:20 hmm? Aug 22 06:45:57 magic - when it all comes together - and makes something magical... Aug 22 06:50:26 alexfner: did u figure out the compiling issue? Aug 22 06:50:33 no Aug 22 06:50:41 I need to get some stuff together Aug 22 06:50:49 it's an issue with no properly linking static libraries Aug 22 06:53:23 just know C++/C is very picky Aug 22 06:54:10 yeah Aug 22 06:56:25 atleast found the liquid pencil Aug 22 06:57:34 sharpie released a pencil that uses liquid, not breakable lead "graphite" Aug 22 07:01:28 saw that Aug 22 07:01:30 interesting Aug 22 07:04:55 yeah got a few, they look like a pen Aug 22 07:05:06 hah Aug 22 07:05:14 I heard they don't work so well? Aug 22 07:05:38 they work awesome to me Aug 22 07:06:16 people are just to fucking picky these days on small things Aug 22 07:07:36 LoneStar99: some super chill shit http://listen.grooveshark.com/#/s/Toys/cw9oo Aug 22 07:09:14 noticed with an app, u can't win Aug 22 07:09:30 hmm? Aug 22 07:10:05 free --> folks bitch paid --> they still bitch Aug 22 07:10:18 so make it paid Aug 22 07:10:20 now now Aug 22 07:10:25 people like both Aug 22 07:11:57 on the same app, have worse feedback on free, mind you it is the same code Aug 22 07:14:25 still need to get palm to remove one feedback Aug 22 07:15:51 the developers who make the most money are going to be the ones who are good at striking a balance between what a paid and a free app should contain Aug 22 07:21:20 yeah, have not been able to accomplish either, do not care anymore, will just build my IM/ Chat to the best it can be Aug 22 07:22:45 if the best I could build is not accepted by most, oh well, atleast it was tried Aug 22 07:28:20 any pixi users here who would like to test a build of VBA for me? Aug 22 07:30:01 ah, not at this time of night! Aug 22 07:30:04 wish I had a pixi Aug 22 07:30:51 dtzWill: no pixi here, just emulator pixi Aug 22 07:42:34 thought i'd ask :) Aug 22 07:42:42 trying to support the other half of the userbase heh Aug 22 13:55:40 hey guys what is my palm pre sync software? Aug 22 13:55:44 +called Aug 22 14:05:18 what palm pre sync software? Aug 22 14:05:23 jkovacs: sleep all day? Aug 22 14:05:33 slept like 4 hours :( Aug 22 14:15:40 * haeffb still hacking Aug 22 14:15:49 well...after 8 hrs sleeping... Aug 22 14:16:13 on relego or something else? Aug 22 14:16:14 ShadeS: do you mean synergy? Aug 22 14:17:42 playing with Relego, studying what others did Aug 22 14:17:59 trying to figure out how to enable the light/dark theme Aug 22 14:19:10 var sceneDiv = this.controller.get('main'); is not working for some reason that I can't grasp Aug 22 14:19:13 ok. They should set up a svn repository (or clean up the git thingy), I'd like to continue working on it at some point Aug 22 14:19:23 they're going to put it back in git Aug 22 14:19:57

Aug 22 14:20:28 so, what am I missing here...? Aug 22 14:20:36

? :p Aug 22 14:20:51 it's 20 lines down, didn't want to paste the whole scene Aug 22 14:21:02 what's the problem with that line? Aug 22 14:21:08 sceneDiv === null ? Aug 22 14:21:22 this.controller.get("main") ? Aug 22 14:21:22 it the line above that isn't working Aug 22 14:21:24 yes Aug 22 14:21:29 oh I missed that Aug 22 14:36:49 where do you call it? maybe the scene isn't setup yet, or somethign like this? Aug 22 14:36:57 or this isn't what you think it is... Aug 22 14:38:50 I think they're discussing it in Skype just now Aug 22 14:40:11 in scene.activate() Aug 22 14:40:31 anybody have link to ares debugger? Aug 22 14:41:24 http://ares.palm.com/AresDebug/ Aug 22 14:46:44 new github whooo Aug 22 14:51:11 "mojo-scene-main" Aug 22 15:00:41 :( Aug 22 15:01:03 * jkovacs has to do some java work now and is not very happy about that Aug 22 15:43:53 is relego back on github yet? Aug 22 15:44:20 yes Aug 22 15:44:26 yay' Aug 22 15:46:42 ey Aug 22 16:14:00 morning folks Aug 22 16:17:17 oh palm, how you irritate me with your sdk installation Aug 22 16:17:57 anyone have a working version of the emulator running in windows? Aug 22 16:18:30 here Aug 22 16:20:07 win7 64-bit? or something else? Aug 22 16:22:01 LoneStar99: ? Aug 22 16:23:49 anyone else around? Aug 22 16:27:25 yeah Aug 22 16:27:27 64 Aug 22 16:27:30 win7 Aug 22 16:32:12 and the emulator works? Aug 22 16:32:17 i'm having issues Aug 22 16:32:32 tells me it doesn't have access to the jar file Aug 22 16:33:40 HattCzech: did u choose to install in default location? Aug 22 16:33:50 yeah Aug 22 16:33:58 the path is fubared Aug 22 16:34:07 it's got a \\..\ in there Aug 22 16:34:12 but i can't modify the file Aug 22 16:35:16 is the palm folder in "C:\Program Files (x86)" or "C:\Program Files" Aug 22 16:36:32 x86 Aug 22 16:36:56 i can't seem to find the java 64-bit for win7 Aug 22 16:37:30 (all java and palm stuff is in the x86 folder) Aug 22 16:38:13 run "cmd" --> java -version what does it display? Aug 22 16:38:32 java version "1.6.0_21" Aug 22 16:39:01 what about under that line? Aug 22 16:39:14 Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.6.0_21-b07) Aug 22 16:39:22 Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 17.0-b17, mixed mode, sharing) Aug 22 16:40:13 ok that is installed correctly Aug 22 16:41:05 in "C:\Program Files (x86)\Palm\SDK\bin" you have clicked on "palm-emulator" ? Aug 22 16:42:14 Unable to access jarfile C:\Program Files (x86)\Palm\SDK\bin\\..\share\jars\webo s-emulator.jar Aug 22 16:42:25 that \\..\ is breaking things Aug 22 16:42:53 (there's no space in webos, that was a line break from the console) Aug 22 16:43:51 I think I'm going to make an app called "Good Reviewer" and it will be a tutorial on how to properly review an app. That is, if there's a problem, you contact the dev first. A 0-star and "won't install" rating is not going to fix your fucking problem, idiot Aug 22 16:44:16 not to mention is complete bullshit in the first place Aug 22 16:44:41 sugardave: yeah i got some bullshit feedback the other day "yet another non functional app" 0 rating Aug 22 16:45:03 contacted chuqui, but it still has not been removed Aug 22 16:45:23 yeah, i hope they fix that in the near future Aug 22 16:45:33 this is beta so I don't care as much, but dammit people are even more stupid than I recall Aug 22 16:45:40 what's the download link for the arm compiler for pdk apps? Aug 22 16:45:43 HattCzech: looking into the fix, Aug 22 16:46:02 LoneStar99: thanks, from what i can tell, i need the emulator.bat from a 32-bit install Aug 22 16:46:27 http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=8401&view=previous Aug 22 16:47:12 aha, codesourcery Aug 22 16:47:18 HattCzech: what file contains the "bin\\.. Aug 22 16:47:19 magic Aug 22 16:47:43 sugardave: people just like to complain, Aug 22 16:47:59 the palm-emulator.bat has this line... Aug 22 16:48:08 set JARS_DIR=!HERE!\..\share\jars Aug 22 16:48:17 and !HERE! is a path ending with \ Aug 22 16:48:23 take out \.. Aug 22 16:48:28 er ] Aug 22 16:48:31 dammit Aug 22 16:48:32 just \ Aug 22 16:48:51 i can't Aug 22 16:48:52 okay Aug 22 16:48:56 let me get this Aug 22 16:48:56 HattCzech: is this your first install of emulator in win7? Aug 22 16:49:02 take out the \ after the ! Aug 22 16:49:09 for the 465 build, yes Aug 22 16:49:12 why can't you take it out? Aug 22 16:49:20 sugardave: i can't edit the file Aug 22 16:49:29 it's a .bat file? Aug 22 16:49:31 the file could not be saved because it is write-protected Aug 22 16:49:35 yeah :/ Aug 22 16:49:44 admin up and remove that flag Aug 22 16:49:50 i tried editing the permissions, but something is preventing me from doing it Aug 22 16:49:51 attrib -r file Aug 22 16:49:54 i am admin Aug 22 16:50:05 attrib -a -s -h -r file Aug 22 16:50:26 I assume that still works Aug 22 16:50:29 HattCzech: i would remove the install, restart computer and reinstall Aug 22 16:50:36 access denied Aug 22 16:50:43 wtf> who owns that file? Aug 22 16:50:46 i've tried that 3 times now :/ Aug 22 16:50:46 and make sure you use, default folder Aug 22 16:50:59 i'm definitely with you on the wtf Aug 22 16:51:04 and i am using default folders Aug 22 16:51:32 i had to install - remove and reinstall to get mine sdk/ emulator to work correctly Aug 22 16:51:41 owner is system Aug 22 16:51:54 i've tried that with all components Aug 22 16:52:04 removed java, virtualbox, and the sdk Aug 22 16:52:12 then installed them in the proper order Aug 22 16:52:23 safe mode, make that file your bitch Aug 22 16:52:24 HattCzech: what is your email. will email u my bat file Aug 22 16:52:26 it's only the 465 build that's giving me this problem Aug 22 16:52:32 hattczech@gmail.com Aug 22 16:52:51 which file do you need? Aug 22 16:52:52 this has just been horribly retarded Aug 22 16:52:59 palm-emulator.bat Aug 22 16:54:21 http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=8353&view=previous Aug 22 16:54:26 that kinda explains some things Aug 22 16:54:31 but doesn't solve the problem Aug 22 16:55:00 haeffb: are you guys working on Relego? Aug 22 16:58:15 HattCzech: http://admin.work.lonestarbeer.operaunite.com/file_sharing/content/ Aug 22 17:00:09 lame! totally lame! Aug 22 17:00:11 same problem Aug 22 17:01:33 HattCzech: remove the current install, reboot, and reinstall Aug 22 17:01:52 tried that :( Aug 22 17:01:58 i'm probably giving up for today Aug 22 17:02:07 and hopefully can play with pdk stuff since it doesn't use the emu Aug 22 17:02:25 HattCzech: it must be something with your win7 install then Aug 22 17:02:30 it might be Aug 22 17:02:41 which is also frustrating Aug 22 17:02:51 just means i need an ssd ;) Aug 22 17:02:59 so i have a reason to reinstall Aug 22 17:03:32 did u upgrade from vista? Aug 22 17:03:40 nope, clean install Aug 22 17:03:53 well, win7 rc2 -> win7 Aug 22 17:04:02 i had to install win7 in a different directory Aug 22 17:07:39 HattCzech: i bet that is what it is Aug 22 17:08:01 yeah, i've had some other odd issues as well Aug 22 17:08:05 ssd time :) Aug 22 17:08:20 guantee that is what it is... Aug 22 17:10:17 i upgraded from vista to win7 Aug 22 18:03:57 sugardave: not at the moment Aug 22 18:12:51 Has anyone tried to use javascript includes that don't pass lint checks? Aug 22 18:17:36 Error454: the lint check disalows certain things that are allowed in javascript, so it may well work Aug 22 18:19:28 I'm trying to use the Raphael vector graphing library, the whole thing is wrapper in a self-executing function but it doesn't get executes, none of the variables are visible once I start the app. Running lint, it bails 21% in because of too many errors. Aug 22 18:19:38 ^wrapped Aug 22 18:21:16 I was debating if it is worth my time to wade through and clean up the code. Aug 22 18:30:44 anyone tried using zlib in a pdk app? Aug 22 18:32:05 I think when I compiled ffmpeg I saw it in there, I didn't explicitly use it Aug 22 18:32:17 how would i use it? Aug 22 18:33:19 Have you compiled it as a library yet? Aug 22 18:36:33 not sure Aug 22 18:36:38 (probably not) Aug 22 18:36:43 Can anyone recommend any good javascript charting libraries for interactive graphs on webos? I'm looking at flotr. Aug 22 18:37:20 In general, you need to compile it as a library, include "zlib.h" in your app, call the zlib functions and then link the library in your build script. Are you using scratchbox2? Aug 22 18:37:46 nopr Aug 22 18:37:49 nope* Aug 22 18:38:11 not in linux Aug 22 18:38:17 win7 Aug 22 18:38:24 HattCzech: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_Internals_PDK learn it, use it, love it, it will make compiling your PDK stuff simple. Aug 22 18:38:37 HattCzech: setup a virtualbox ubuntu if you need to Aug 22 18:40:06 hmm, even more work :/ fun Aug 22 18:41:18 If you are looking to compile and use linux source in your PDK apps, scratchbox will save your life. It makes most things as simple as ./configure/make Aug 22 18:47:59 i will work on that later, then :/ urg Aug 22 18:48:11 thanks, though Aug 22 18:50:50 Good luck, don't give up! Aug 22 18:57:38 hello everyone Aug 22 19:00:35 hi there Aug 22 19:09:59 howdy alexfner Aug 22 19:49:32 ProtoChart it is, sheesh, too many options. Aug 22 21:08:41