**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Sep 01 02:59:57 2010 Sep 01 03:01:29 dannnnngit. I should go to bed. Sep 01 03:01:36 me too Sep 01 03:03:18 me too Sep 01 03:03:30 but I'm waiting on sugardave to fix my problem. Sep 01 03:03:36 * Tibfib finds the good stuff Sep 01 03:03:48 * haeffb is reading through the list widget code Sep 01 03:05:02 haeffb: uh, yeah...about that Sep 01 03:05:09 it's going to have to wait Sep 01 03:05:20 really?!?!?!? Sep 01 03:05:44 well, let's see....oh I know experiment time Sep 01 03:06:00 * Tibfib is excited. Sep 01 03:06:44 OOPS I MOVED IT HAHAHAHA SORRY GUYS Sep 01 03:07:00 * sugardave is faster than funkatron. Sep 01 03:07:03 woot! Sep 01 03:07:45 * Tibfib wonders when we won't use dropbox anymore Sep 01 03:08:23 I htink DropBox might have been my fault Sep 01 03:08:55 ... Sep 01 03:09:50 this channel probably isn't under NDA, is it? Sep 01 03:10:29 well its publicly serachable from google so maybe :P Sep 01 03:13:50 we need an nda channel Sep 01 03:13:52 haeffb: I have read your posts, isn't it obvious the thing is bugged? Sep 01 03:14:27 it looks bugged to me. but maybe I just don't understand how to properly implement the thing. Sep 01 03:14:54 okay, I will look at the uiWidgets because I have no clue how either :P Sep 01 03:15:01 speaking of implementation, Douglas Crockford is Chuck Norris' stunt double. Sep 01 03:15:36 haeffb: in the meantime, check out the iHS update and see your team schedule Sep 01 03:15:50 schedule!?!? awesome! Sep 01 03:15:56 just football right now Sep 01 03:16:30 and, surprise, it's ugly Sep 01 03:16:53 but I just wanted to get the function in place before the games started Sep 01 03:16:54 downloading Sep 01 03:17:16 slowly...something seems to be using all my bandwidth Sep 01 03:17:20 hmmm Sep 01 03:17:35 downloading 2.0? Sep 01 03:18:00 *sdk* Sep 01 03:18:02 what is 2.0? Sep 01 03:18:06 ...cough cough Sep 01 03:18:18 You get me all excited when you say 2.0 but then I remember its just the sdk Sep 01 03:18:32 the sdk does come with an emulator... Sep 01 03:18:39 and? Sep 01 03:19:07 not sure Sep 01 03:19:12 lol Sep 01 03:20:24 well. this is quite cool Sep 01 03:20:43 * Tibfib sleeps Sep 01 03:23:01 schleeps for meh too Sep 01 03:24:42 haeffb: okay, what am I looking at? Sep 01 03:24:52 in uiWidgets? Sep 01 03:24:56 yeah Sep 01 03:25:14 line 28 in setup() of lazy-list-assistant.js Sep 01 03:25:46 this.list.push.apply(this.list, this.makeItems(100, 0)); Sep 01 03:25:51 okay Sep 01 03:26:04 change that to 50 and break the lazy list Sep 01 03:26:20 just so I know it's not just me... :) Sep 01 03:26:58 time to sleep. later gators Sep 01 03:27:14 okay, but I think the reason it fails is line 44 Sep 01 03:27:50 I may have an older version.... line 44 is blank Sep 01 03:28:00 which SDK did you pull from? Sep 01 03:28:03 oh Sep 01 03:28:16 if ((offset > this.list.length-50) && (this.list.length < this.maxListLength)) { Sep 01 03:28:22 in itemsCallback Sep 01 03:29:23 Ok, just pulled the 1.4.5 version of uiWidgets, & it is different. Sep 01 03:29:32 like what you have Sep 01 03:29:50 I see that I read it wrong anyway, so that may not be the issue Sep 01 03:29:53 old one was if ((offset > 50) && (this.list.length < this.maxListLength)) { Sep 01 03:29:59 thought that first thing was going to return 0 every time Sep 01 03:30:48 I'm going to copy the new one into eclipse & run it... Sep 01 03:31:14 it's still broken Sep 01 03:31:18 just checked it Sep 01 03:31:34 you only get 49 items Sep 01 03:31:56 ARGGG! Some please fix the dropbox for mac. Sep 01 03:32:05 :( Sep 01 03:33:33 so, the way I see this, the only way I can make it work is to keep track of how many records are in the DB Sep 01 03:33:53 if I setLength() to that number, it works. Sep 01 03:34:25 but I don't know how adding or deleting list items will affect it. Sep 01 03:35:55 yeah, that sucks Sep 01 03:37:25 and now I can't even get that to work. Sep 01 03:37:43 oh, well, time to get some zzzz's Sep 01 03:37:56 night Sep 01 03:38:37 but notice that their method does not work unless they know the maxListLength up front. Sep 01 03:38:47 so I'm really in the same boat Sep 01 03:41:44 * halfhalo is watching top gear after 2.0 js service dissapointment Sep 01 03:43:50 hey folks Sep 01 03:43:54 honory thy NDA Sep 01 03:44:11 just because some stuff went to the media doesn't mean we don't have an nda Sep 01 03:44:28 we know Sep 01 03:44:35 hence the ducks Sep 01 03:44:50 * halfhalo is mad because he can Sep 01 03:44:56 't play with it now Sep 01 03:44:58 awesome thread to promote and bump :p http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre/261255-telethon-webos-internals-part-2-thanksgiving-edition.html Sep 01 03:46:47 can't play with nothing Sep 01 03:46:52 much ado about nothing Sep 01 03:46:52 if anyone get's that Sep 01 03:46:58 I'll take my high fives later Sep 01 03:47:09 will do Sep 01 03:47:48 NOTHING Sep 01 03:47:54 no body...? Sep 01 03:48:06 i am a somebody Sep 01 03:48:07 nope Sep 01 03:48:18 just wikipedia it Sep 01 03:49:04 I hope that no one breaks this NDA, we need this information! Sep 01 03:49:53 it'd be nice if right click in finder in mac had the option to open terminal from that location Sep 01 03:49:54 another telethon <3 Sep 01 03:50:11 hi oil, my best krc\\\\ Sep 01 03:50:21 err irc creating webos friend :D Sep 01 03:50:27 * halfhalo votes oil gets no monies Sep 01 03:50:43 * oil doesnt think halfhalo gets a vote xD Sep 01 03:50:51 * halfhalo thinks he does Sep 01 03:50:54 he doesnt lol Sep 01 03:50:59 AND THATS ALL THAT MATTERS Sep 01 03:51:08 * oil has never seen halfhalo at any of the supersecret webos-internals meetings when we decide upon things Sep 01 03:51:19 like how best to accomplish world domination, Sep 01 03:51:20 lol Sep 01 03:51:25 you know, normal stuff for supersecret meetings Sep 01 03:51:36 but yea... awesome irc client bro :D Sep 01 03:51:40 thanks Sep 01 03:51:40 Thats because I leave my house sometimes Sep 01 03:51:47 if you're in early access, check the drop box. santa left some toys. Sep 01 03:51:59 <3 chuqui Sep 01 03:52:07 yay, thanks! Sep 01 03:52:08 chuqui: just the person i wanted to see :) Sep 01 03:52:17 (hides behind a puppy) Sep 01 03:52:20 can i change the e-mail address for the dropbox permissions? Sep 01 03:52:21 pfft mr von rospach i was accepted butr i cant find it lol. Sep 01 03:52:27 * iWinRar checks his email Sep 01 03:52:37 (can i invite another of my e-mail addresses, then remove the current one?) Sep 01 03:52:47 i got the orginal email nothing beyond that Sep 01 03:52:47 HattCzech: yes, but give me a bit. I'm a bit busy on that stuff right now. send me email and I'll get it to you. Sep 01 03:53:01 will do Sep 01 03:53:08 I'm WAY backed up with new requests. I'll work on them as fast as I can, folks. Sep 01 03:53:15 you're kidding Sep 01 03:53:32 lol thanks, i mean i got the email saying follow these steps nothing beyond that, u have to accept those too? Sep 01 03:53:57 you guys think webOS 2.0 is awesome, you should see webOS 3.0 Sep 01 03:54:11 tho currently im no REAL app maker, im sure trying tho :D Sep 01 03:54:14 you don't see webOS 3.0...you feel it Sep 01 03:54:24 lol Sep 01 03:54:45 * halfhalo doesn't make apps. He makes fun of them Sep 01 03:54:51 hard to keep up with the compitition lol Sep 01 03:55:04 halfhalo join half the reviewer of webos apps lol Sep 01 03:55:12 err reviewers Sep 01 03:55:19 chuqui, you're a popular person... Sep 01 03:55:36 yeah, but I know enough to take apart the apps to make fun of it more Sep 01 03:56:04 lol Sep 01 03:56:06 WOA Sep 01 03:56:09 thats cool Sep 01 03:56:43 i am addicted to angry birds at the moment... got like 16 more levles and then 3staring it up Sep 01 03:57:04 chuqui, i have questions, too. :^\ someone dropped your name Sep 01 03:57:18 qacat: sure Sep 01 03:57:30 IT WASN'T ME Sep 01 03:57:32 oh wait Sep 01 03:57:33 get back to work chuq lol Sep 01 03:57:34 it was me Sep 01 03:57:39 chuqui, how strange is it that palm dev requires both paypal AND a credit card? Sep 01 03:57:51 sugardave, no, i am sure it wasn't Sep 01 03:58:08 e-mail sent chuqui, and thanks (not a big deal, just when you have time... i'm sure there are other more pressing needs) Sep 01 03:58:30 poor person lol Sep 01 03:58:35 chuqui, it marks me as a "community member" rather than a "developer" and the account page has a happy little notice that i can upgrade my membership Sep 01 03:58:46 this seems familiar.... Sep 01 03:58:56 chuqui, i can send e-mail if you have. Sep 01 03:59:14 I blame oil Sep 01 03:59:14 sugardave, it does? Sep 01 03:59:15 yes, please Sep 01 03:59:21 :/ Sep 01 03:59:24 qacat: yes, maybe I just remember reading it Sep 01 03:59:33 sugardave, i can't imagine Sep 01 03:59:35 oil is the root of all evil Sep 01 03:59:42 look at the war on terror Sep 01 03:59:45 * oil gets a lot of credit Sep 01 03:59:47 harhar Sep 01 04:00:03 * halfhalo blames oil for EVERYTHING Sep 01 04:00:19 global warming too Sep 01 04:00:20 :D Sep 01 04:00:50 wow, thats a suprise Sep 01 04:01:43 sugardave, irssi scrollback memory ftw Sep 01 04:02:27 see, webOS 3.0 scrolls based on your eye movements Sep 01 04:02:27 haha Sep 01 04:02:51 opps :D Sep 01 04:03:30 they should have jumped to v3 Sep 01 04:03:39 and been all "so we skipped a number, get over it" Sep 01 04:04:01 like winamp 3 to 5 jump :) Sep 01 04:04:20 nah, 2 to 4, like java Sep 01 04:04:23 but v3 to v5 was kinda fail :P Sep 01 04:04:32 i moved to fobar2000! Sep 01 04:04:36 well Sep 01 04:04:40 3 was complete garbage Sep 01 04:04:45 probably why they jumped to 5 Sep 01 04:04:46 which is good Sep 01 04:04:57 "test version Sep 01 04:04:58 " Sep 01 04:05:16 preware is jumping to v3 for sure Sep 01 04:05:26 i love how hp/palm built up hype with an extrem advance on the OS Sep 01 04:05:36 kinda like win7 and microsoft Sep 01 04:05:58 win7 is more vista then not Sep 01 04:06:06 now we just need new hardware :) Sep 01 04:06:14 i list it as vista with out the suck Sep 01 04:06:21 its what vista shoulda been Sep 01 04:06:26 * oil stands in line behind HattCzech Sep 01 04:06:44 lol Sep 01 04:06:45 anyone use multiple dropbox accounts on the same computer? Sep 01 04:06:55 i'm trying to set it up for work/personal... on win7 Sep 01 04:06:59 * iWinRar cuts in line and pushes HattCzech out of place Sep 01 04:07:13 * HattCzech slaps iWinRar with a large trout Sep 01 04:07:23 such a fish abuser! Sep 01 04:07:23 * HattCzech and steps back in his place Sep 01 04:07:31 * oil pulls out knife Sep 01 04:07:41 hehe, had to stick with the default irc traditions Sep 01 04:07:41 * alexfner screams like a tiny girl Sep 01 04:07:45 sushi? Sep 01 04:07:56 * halfhalo kills everyone else Sep 01 04:08:23 then the cops show up Sep 01 04:08:25 and halfhalo is all Sep 01 04:08:28 "its oils fault" Sep 01 04:08:33 damn mirc and its abuse for food Sep 01 04:08:33 haha Sep 01 04:08:34 yup Sep 01 04:08:36 but alas, im dead Sep 01 04:08:48 meh, its still your ault Sep 01 04:08:50 fault Sep 01 04:08:58 * HattCzech slowly gets up with dismembered parts with an evil hungry look in his eyes Sep 01 04:08:59 oil's only HALF over Sep 01 04:08:59 well damnit, halfhalo... now look what you've done... Sep 01 04:09:06 oil's deadness caused complete carnage Sep 01 04:09:10 now we're all zombies Sep 01 04:09:17 so yea :D http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre/261255-telethon-webos-internals-part-2-thanksgiving-edition.html LOL Sep 01 04:09:21 * oil eats halfhalos brain Sep 01 04:09:28 * oil continues on, still hungry Sep 01 04:09:28 * HattCzech begins to eat along with oil Sep 01 04:09:30 that needed to be plugged again Sep 01 04:09:35 twas only a snack Sep 01 04:10:24 HattCzech gets sued by the jackson estate for looking too much like michael Sep 01 04:10:34 lol Sep 01 04:10:40 my nose! Sep 01 04:11:14 * halfhalo has ice Sep 01 04:11:29 keep it on ice, i'll need that later Sep 01 04:11:44 screw you, this is my dinner Sep 01 04:12:17 zombies dont eat other zombies Sep 01 04:12:18 not cool bro Sep 01 04:12:23 screw oil Sep 01 04:12:27 such a natural lube Sep 01 04:12:29 so it is okay Sep 01 04:12:33 ... Sep 01 04:12:44 * oil exits conversation Sep 01 04:12:49 lol Sep 01 04:12:53 * halfhalo backs away slowly Sep 01 04:13:06 i tend to have that affect Sep 01 04:13:11 and halfhalo slips on an oil puddle Sep 01 04:13:18 and is left within grabbing range of iWinRar Sep 01 04:13:27 * oil accepts blame for it Sep 01 04:13:30 xD Sep 01 04:13:31 * halfhalo uses oil as a oily human shield Sep 01 04:14:33 * iWinRar uses spiked gloves to grab halfhalo Sep 01 04:15:05 * halfhalo sets off nuke, taking everyone within 20 miles out Sep 01 04:15:56 brb Sep 01 04:24:42 yay! both dropboxes work now Sep 01 04:24:47 no? Sep 01 05:06:01 http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=2637715 Sep 01 05:06:05 more fun times LOL Sep 01 05:18:06 who is Adora? Sep 01 05:18:10 I always see her tweets Sep 01 05:18:49 Lisa Sep 01 05:19:01 Lisa who? Sep 01 05:19:22 hey mr whitby :D Sep 01 05:19:38 She's crazy Sep 01 05:19:56 adora has a boble head Sep 01 05:20:01 which alone makes her awesome Sep 01 05:20:04 good restuarant she made everyone go to though Sep 01 05:20:05 rwhitby needs one :D Sep 01 05:20:21 hmmm, my phone doesn't like me all of the sudden Sep 01 05:20:30 cant blame it :P lol Sep 01 05:20:31 i can't putty or novaterm into it Sep 01 05:20:55 you guys Sep 01 05:20:58 stop speaking in code Sep 01 05:21:00 i think it's time for a reboot Sep 01 05:21:02 who the hell is Adora? :D Sep 01 05:21:56 she is part of palms something relatshins Sep 01 05:32:19 Hello Sir, does XMLHttpRequest oblect work in JS? Sep 01 05:32:22 I mean in palm Sep 01 05:45:33 Hey all Sep 01 05:47:52 kesne: hey Sep 01 05:48:39 Whats up? Sep 01 05:52:51 rohit2: XHR works in Mojo or you can use Ajax.Request Sep 01 05:56:18 there's some very interesting shenanigans going on in hur Sep 01 05:56:36 I'm sure I don't know what you mean Sep 01 05:56:49 alas, it is time for sleep Sep 01 05:57:07 sleep softly Sep 01 06:06:04 kesne: just replying to you're "hey all" Sep 01 06:06:24 *your Sep 01 06:20:20 Good morning Sep 01 06:24:58 morning Sep 01 06:25:57 Anyone got 2.0 early access? Sep 01 06:27:20 I do not know, that sort of stuff is usually under NDAs Sep 01 06:27:32 dawm: Hey Sep 01 06:27:32 which I keep reminding everyone to honor Sep 01 06:27:34 :D Sep 01 06:34:25 * lemketron just whistles quietly Sep 01 06:35:10 * alexfner observes patrons as they whistle Sep 01 06:36:26 hi Sep 01 06:36:30 * hotdp all this whisles reminds of an old stupid song http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAifzyTw0e8 Sep 01 06:36:41 it must be kinda neat to work at palm, considering that they've picked some trends that seem to be growing Sep 01 06:36:48 heh Sep 01 06:37:09 I don't know if you've ever heard of the trends I'm talking about, but this one is called the internet, another is web browsers, and a third is smart phones Sep 01 06:37:09 alexfner what do you mean with "trends" Sep 01 06:37:29 lol Sep 01 06:37:56 and html... css... javascript... opengl... node.js... ? Sep 01 06:38:05 oh right, forgot those :D Sep 01 06:38:07 * hotdp is ounderstands Sep 01 06:38:14 something I would like palm to publish, is whether or not their services running on the device are faster under node or native c Sep 01 06:38:25 or if it's not that easy to simplify Sep 01 06:38:35 if there are some benefits, and some disadvantages Sep 01 06:38:39 one is interpreted, and one is native. Sep 01 06:38:54 yer that would be nice and what about cpu usage Sep 01 06:39:02 oh, and one will be available to developers to create their own services, and the other... not so much. Sep 01 06:39:02 so I would expect native to be quicker, but then I would question why palm would move to the interpereted Sep 01 06:39:16 for themselves, I mean Sep 01 06:39:35 I understand that node offers an outlet to developers Sep 01 06:39:40 there's a mix. web stuff makes sense to do in js. Sep 01 06:39:47 ah Sep 01 06:39:54 but some other services make more sense to be native. email to name one. Sep 01 06:40:14 so *do you think* email will stay a native service ? :D Sep 01 06:40:24 and other services that talk to other native parts of the system, e.g. kernel, telephony, location, etc. Sep 01 06:40:40 how do you mean "stay" ? Sep 01 06:40:58 oh, I guess I supposed that as of 1.4.5 it was written in native code Sep 01 06:41:33 no, it was previously running in a different interpreter Sep 01 06:41:38 java? Sep 01 06:41:43 * lemketron smiles Sep 01 06:41:51 another thing I will be interested in, is seeing how 2.0 handles when node crashes Sep 01 06:41:54 it's WAY faster now. Sep 01 06:42:12 and ridding the device of a java VM must free up some resources Sep 01 06:42:25 what is this "crash" of which you speak? Sep 01 06:43:00 hah, well I've written some code in node that didn't check for errors well, and would terminate itself on error Sep 01 06:44:03 there's so much to find out about Sep 01 06:45:07 for example, another topic of interest is multitouch event coords in js Sep 01 06:45:26 ...we'll see... muhahaha muhahaha muhahaha Sep 01 06:46:14 mande #node.js is buzzing about webos Sep 01 06:46:17 man* Sep 01 06:48:30 * alexfner wonders if a binary data handle will come to ecma script in the future, as he realizes that the room is virtually empty except for a few maintenance workers Sep 01 06:49:18 * alexfner forgets that it's the middle of the night, some times... Sep 01 06:51:35 only in some parts of the world Sep 01 06:52:26 rwhitby: the parts that count! :) Sep 01 06:54:18 I guess one thing I've always wondered about, is that american tech journalist sites portray australia's internet as if the Australian government is regulating morality on the internet, do you find this to be true? or would you have any interest in elaborating? Sep 01 06:56:08 the government has been threatening to do so for 20 years. it never happens. Sep 01 06:56:24 morning Sep 01 06:56:30 the overseas media only report when they threaten to do so, not when they back down again Sep 01 06:57:02 rwhitby: yeah that is some of the impression I get Sep 01 06:57:34 It depends on the sites that I read, but many of them are willing to portray the internet as "under attack", although that may sound ridiculous Sep 01 06:57:45 ...err the openness of the internet* Sep 01 06:58:53 morning swisstomcat, you have a lot to catch up on :D Sep 01 06:58:55 good morning swisstomcat Sep 01 06:59:11 morning Sep 01 06:59:14 what happened? Sep 01 06:59:45 hehe Sep 01 07:00:20 you read the blogosphere about 2.0? Sep 01 07:02:07 webOS 2.0 ... yeah :) Sep 01 07:03:06 checketh thine drop boxeth Sep 01 07:04:44 yay! Sep 01 07:05:37 it's all a metaphor Sep 01 07:06:08 to be or not to be Sep 01 07:08:55 did it come yet? Sep 01 07:09:13 i dont see my link Sep 01 07:59:22 They're gonna release 2.0 earlier than any other carriers to compensate for their negligence... I hope. Sep 01 07:59:36 *Verizon* Sep 01 08:05:42 eh? Sep 01 08:05:59 yea Sep 01 08:06:07 is that a statement? Sep 01 08:22:24 hotdp: its my prediction. (Hopeful Prediction) Sep 01 08:22:43 hehe Sep 01 08:53:33 hej Sep 01 09:23:33 hmm Sep 01 09:27:16 rehi Sep 01 09:31:53 re Sep 01 10:37:41 rehi Sep 01 11:46:16 Someone inhere who use smaato ?? Sep 01 11:47:09 something to eat? Sep 01 11:56:15 www.smaato.com **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Sep 01 12:36:29 2010 Sep 01 12:43:36 Morning all Sep 01 12:43:50 mornin' Sep 01 13:04:16 anything new going on Sep 01 13:05:35 WebOS 2.0 :) Sep 01 13:08:41 webOS 2.0? Sep 01 13:09:25 anything new going on <-- Sep 01 13:09:53 oh Sep 01 13:09:53 guess that's new Sep 01 13:09:56 really? Sep 01 13:10:25 ya I'd say Sep 01 13:11:11 and? in china a sack of rice toppled over Sep 01 13:11:38 hotdp, who has WebOS 2.0 already? Sep 01 13:12:31 NDA i think? Sep 01 13:18:24 when was it released Sep 01 13:18:58 bhodder look at http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2107 Sep 01 13:19:05 yesterday Sep 01 13:20:55 wow thats great Sep 01 13:20:57 :) Sep 01 13:23:15 yep Sep 01 13:35:26 now just need to get it :) Sep 01 13:47:40 morning all Sep 01 13:47:54 morning' Sep 01 13:50:03 HattCzech_work good morning Sep 01 13:51:26 morning HattCzech_work Sep 01 13:51:48 hotdp, Do you have WebOS 2.0 yet? Sep 01 13:52:02 Nope Sep 01 13:52:17 to answer that question in the positive in a public channel would be to break an NDA Sep 01 13:52:47 as i said before :) Sep 01 13:52:54 rwhitby: will there be another channel created here soon? :) Sep 01 13:53:12 HattCzech_work: I don't believe NDAs are tied to channels Sep 01 13:53:45 what is it you are refering to as NDA? Sep 01 13:54:18 oh i know, but i'm wondering if there will be a place to discuss things related to things that might be available in the newer version Sep 01 13:54:42 bhodder: Non Disclosure Agreement. A legal agreement that prevents anyone who might have webOS 2.0 from discussing it. Sep 01 13:55:01 i asked chuq if they would consider having a restricted section on webos101 Sep 01 13:55:27 ohh ok Sep 01 13:55:48 Sorry did not catch the acronym there Sep 01 13:57:10 palm might have a discussion area on the dev forums Sep 01 13:57:30 Thats true Sep 01 13:57:37 okay, cool Sep 01 14:00:12 * haeffb_pre wonders if he could install multiple SDK's on win7 Sep 01 14:00:35 they let you do that? Sep 01 14:00:45 you can install stuff yourself in windows? Sep 01 14:00:56 i thought they had a marketplace thing Sep 01 14:01:18 swisstomcat: !! Sep 01 14:01:50 madnificent! Sep 01 14:02:04 * swisstomcat gives madnificent a catrub Sep 01 14:02:32 catrub? Sep 01 14:02:32 * madnificent ignores the fact that swisstomcat is really a man and enjoys the catrub Sep 01 14:02:53 lol Sep 01 14:03:07 it's catru-b, it's like roofies Sep 01 14:03:17 he's trying to take advantage of you Sep 01 14:03:31 swisstomcat: have you found out the shipping costs for the pre? Sep 01 14:03:41 oh Sep 01 14:04:07 forgot about that, sorry Sep 01 14:04:25 i'll visit the post office later today when i go home Sep 01 14:04:37 swisstomcat: great! Sep 01 14:07:40 swisstomcat: you code on webos for your job? Sep 01 14:07:55 "side-job" Sep 01 14:08:21 i'd rather do something with developer support as my job Sep 01 14:11:03 point taken Sep 01 14:11:47 maybe when palm decides to have some european developer relations Sep 01 14:16:02 swisstomcat: phone apps aren't the best to generate a living :) Sep 01 14:17:47 yeah Sep 01 14:39:07 stop crushing my hopes and dreams Sep 01 14:39:49 sugardave: but it's so much fun! Sep 01 14:42:06 that's true Sep 01 14:42:18 hsh Sep 01 14:42:50 phone apps are great for generating beer money though Sep 01 14:43:22 unless you're talking about angry birds Sep 01 14:43:50 I heard they weren't doing good on webOS either Sep 01 14:44:01 On other platforms, sure Sep 01 14:44:14 i though they got many sales Sep 01 14:47:43 they've made $18k so far on webos... and will almost definitely get another $100k on top of that Sep 01 14:48:10 and it's been available for 1 week? Sep 01 14:48:52 We're not all Angry Birds though :) Sep 01 14:51:53 bbl Sep 01 14:51:56 some generate money, but many of those apps don't... webos has a sufficiently small app catalog to get some attention on each new app, so you've got a shot at making money Sep 01 14:52:50 @webosinternals Got #webOS 2.0 early access? Always use palm-install from the official #palm SDK to install Preware testing versions … nothing else needed. Sep 01 14:52:52 hmm Sep 01 14:56:49 bbl Sep 01 15:17:11 your all adopted\ Sep 01 15:19:37 you know what I just realized? We still have no flash... Sep 01 15:21:41 that's a good thing Sep 01 15:21:51 I like mah flashes.... Sep 01 15:22:51 why do you want flash? Sep 01 15:25:25 BECAUSE I DO Sep 01 15:25:34 * halfhalo now goes to do timesheet Sep 01 15:32:25 anybody bored? http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=8617 Sep 01 15:39:33 morning webaws Sep 01 15:41:04 we got a live one here Sep 01 15:41:40 Anivrom: need an answer for this: http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=8617 Sep 01 15:41:43 go Sep 01 15:42:08 You are not authorised to read this forum. Sep 01 15:42:13 there's your answer Sep 01 15:42:14 bummer Sep 01 15:42:40 any idea why that would come up? Sep 01 15:43:00 you're not special Sep 01 15:43:01 clearly im registered Sep 01 15:43:38 man, angry birds ui is sooooo smooth Sep 01 15:43:48 I wanna learn c++ now Sep 01 15:44:05 screw this mojo widgets stuffs Sep 01 15:45:49 * Anivrom has just learned the power of the $("blah").style.webkitTransform = 'rotate' Sep 01 15:45:52 muauahahahahahahah Sep 01 15:47:06 NOBODY IS ANSWERING MY QUESTION :( Sep 01 15:47:23 I bend over backwards to help you people, and for what?! Sep 01 15:47:25 NOTHING! Sep 01 15:47:42 give me access Sep 01 15:47:47 talk to chuq Sep 01 15:47:50 and ill anword it Sep 01 15:47:56 answord too Sep 01 15:48:00 chuqui: hi Sep 01 15:48:21 you have to apply for early access, there's a post about it somewhere Sep 01 15:48:26 oh I see Sep 01 15:48:59 kinda gay you can't have more than 1 exhibition Sep 01 15:49:03 well speakin of chuqui Sep 01 15:49:08 weird Sep 01 15:49:23 good morning, all. Sep 01 15:49:25 chuqster Sep 01 15:49:35 I needz teh earleh accesses Sep 01 15:49:49 chuqui: good morning Sep 01 15:50:20 what exactly am I supposed to write in this email? Sep 01 15:50:35 "hi, give me teh early accesses pl0x Sep 01 15:50:38 " Sep 01 15:50:52 yeah, that'd work. Sep 01 15:50:59 don't overthink it. Sep 01 15:51:03 lol Sep 01 15:57:15 Godmorning chuqui Sep 01 16:00:24 ok so I have a question: setTimeout is kinda like "wait", but what if you have psuedo-async code executing such as in a setInterval timer, then you execute setTimeout, since js isnt multithread. Sep 01 16:01:15 it still works Sep 01 16:01:32 oh goodie Sep 01 16:01:36 are you asking if you can call setTimeout during something running in setInterval? Sep 01 16:01:43 the answer to that is yes Sep 01 16:01:49 excellent Sep 01 16:02:20 just keep track of timer ids so you can clear them Sep 01 16:02:48 You mean of setTimeout Sep 01 16:03:03 Isnt it basically a timer?... Sep 01 16:03:19 yeah, but if you exit the loop or scene, that timer will still run Sep 01 16:03:25 unless you clearTimeout on it Sep 01 16:03:29 or clearInterval Sep 01 16:03:32 whichever it is Sep 01 16:08:33 lies Sep 01 16:10:25 what the hell is my dept id... Sep 01 16:10:39 yay, an answer :D Sep 01 16:10:43 halfhalo: 42 Sep 01 16:11:49 bah Sep 01 16:12:12 i REALLY need a few weeks off my (lame) real job to work on all this tasty new webos 2.0 stuff Sep 01 16:12:18 this job is killing my buzz!! Sep 01 16:12:22 -_- Sep 01 16:13:40 chuqui, After you have sent the email how long does it take to join early access? Sep 01 16:13:41 yay no monies due to no working due to schools! Sep 01 16:14:14 bhodder: next release, you'll be set Sep 01 16:14:20 lol Sep 01 16:14:41 ohh ok thanks sugardave Sep 01 16:15:11 bhodder: just kidding...I'd imagine by the end of the week or end of enxt week you'll be all set ;) Sep 01 16:16:07 yes apparently he is flooded Sep 01 16:16:15 while you wait, you can come do my day job for me Sep 01 16:16:15 no way Sep 01 16:24:52 think i'll pass already have a day job Sep 01 16:25:02 any good? Sep 01 16:25:08 we get free snacks! Sep 01 16:25:15 and beers after 5! Sep 01 16:25:31 and strippers after 7!* Sep 01 16:25:42 (*this isn't true) Sep 01 16:25:50 and cab chips after 9! Sep 01 16:26:13 and rehab after 2 months! Sep 01 16:26:28 and funeral insurance after 1 year! Sep 01 16:26:58 and flowers to the family after every 5 years! Sep 01 16:27:30 and weekly haunting rights for eternity! Sep 01 16:28:04 just had to pull the eternity card so soon eh??? Sep 01 16:28:14 didn't know where to go, i panicked! Sep 01 16:28:31 pfft figures Sep 01 16:29:23 should have thrown in a "honorary bronze statue of your likeness in the park of your choosing after 50 years!" Sep 01 16:29:35 that woulda worked Sep 01 16:29:57 and then maybe a "secular holiday in your name enacted after 100 years of your absence!" Sep 01 16:30:43 and then maybe a "complete deviation from the orignal meaning of your secular holiday after 500 years of your absence!" Sep 01 16:30:53 Ya mines pretty good Sep 01 16:30:54 but still maintains the name Sep 01 16:30:58 perfect Sep 01 16:31:05 bhodder: but does it give you all this? Sep 01 16:31:16 lol not quite Sep 01 16:31:28 close but not quite Sep 01 16:31:45 then perhaps a "religion founded upon words that you never said, following with your immediate deification and acts of terrorism done in your name!" Sep 01 16:32:05 after 1000 years! Sep 01 16:32:12 yes! Sep 01 16:32:29 so that's basically my job. interested? Sep 01 16:32:42 you had me at bronze statue Sep 01 16:32:57 they had us all at the bronze statue Sep 01 16:33:12 ... and thats how they getcha! Sep 01 16:33:29 * Anivrom is car shopping Sep 01 16:33:40 what are you looking at Sep 01 16:35:35 anything with 4 wheels Sep 01 16:36:15 called a guy about a mazda protege 5. still waiting on if he sold it or not Sep 01 16:36:37 '02, 193k, 3000 bucks Sep 01 16:36:42 not bad. Sep 01 16:36:52 mileage could be lower but w/e Sep 01 16:36:56 indeed Sep 01 16:37:03 oh and its standard :D Sep 01 16:37:05 ya but still not bad Sep 01 16:37:11 nice Sep 01 16:37:24 never owned a standard before but wanted one Sep 01 16:37:31 I love the feeling of actually driving Sep 01 16:37:42 i am a completely mediocre standard driver Sep 01 16:37:53 I am submediocre Sep 01 16:38:16 I drive over 100k a year cause i drive for a living, but even my truck is auto Sep 01 16:39:23 all I drive is standard Sep 01 16:39:26 :) Sep 01 16:39:57 * halfhalo was given an auto, so he doesn't complain Sep 01 16:40:23 Mine just died. 99 neon with 250k on it. wasnt worth the 1k to fix it Sep 01 16:41:05 GAH i respond to a craigslist ad selling a laptop 20 minutes after it's posted, and he's already showing it to someone else Sep 01 16:41:10 how the freaking hell Sep 01 16:41:13 lol Sep 01 16:41:15 wow no better off getting something else Sep 01 16:41:44 scrapped it for 150 but the tow truck cost 100 lol!? Sep 01 16:42:09 the other car I had was a 96 honda accord with 499k and had to scrap it, woulda cost like 2k to fix Sep 01 16:42:16 lol Sep 01 16:43:07 so you made 50 off your car Sep 01 16:43:15 95 firebird 3d, 120k v6 6speed Sep 01 16:43:18 2900 Sep 01 16:43:24 thats not bad Sep 01 16:43:54 I would love a firebird. old firebird/transams and old camaros are 2 of my fav cards Sep 01 16:43:58 cars too! Sep 01 16:44:22 I like the firebirds and wish I had a 6speed one Sep 01 16:44:53 so many cavaliers lol Sep 01 17:20:01 hi Sep 01 17:21:19 hey hey Sep 01 17:21:40 hows it going? Sep 01 17:41:42 checking out the 101 cross-app launching page....anybody ever thought of organizing some kind of "standard" way to handle queries to your app and get back a list of launch parms? Sep 01 17:42:00 --help Sep 01 17:42:02 ? Sep 01 17:42:13 Mousey: I don't think that works :D Sep 01 17:42:17 ;_; Sep 01 17:42:31 it MAY be unnecessarry...don't know since I haven't done multi-stage yete Sep 01 17:43:04 but it would be cool if I can say (if app exists; query it for launch parms; do some cross-launch with a parm) Sep 01 17:55:13 wakawakawaka Sep 01 17:55:57 ugg, using ubuntu on my T400 Sep 01 17:56:01 it is the suck Sep 01 17:57:07 Stupid video cards Sep 01 17:57:13 chuqui: Hey Sep 01 18:02:42 urg Sep 01 18:02:49 getting like 20 seconds of battery Sep 01 18:05:50 whats a good free twitter client that knows how to talk to the new API? Sep 01 18:06:04 jesus linux sucks right now Sep 01 18:11:03 Robi_: Spaz? I don't know, I tweet very little and never from my phone Sep 01 18:13:23 nah, that app sucks Sep 01 18:14:18 * DougReeder waves hello Sep 01 18:18:04 I agree, spaz sucks :p Sep 01 18:18:41 'afternoon Sep 01 18:21:55 IT SUCKS BRO Sep 01 18:21:58 stupid c question(fyi I don't know c) Sep 01 18:22:13 ummm... global vars are how? Sep 01 18:22:18 a lot of people are trying Spaz today because TweeFree died, so I've gotten 3 or 4 "THIS FUCKING SUCKS" Sep 01 18:22:27 * halfhalo whistles Sep 01 18:23:35 halfhalo: put them outside of all { } Sep 01 18:23:36 lol Sep 01 18:24:10 twee free died, what does that mean? Sep 01 18:24:52 TweeFree was not updated to support oAuth Sep 01 18:25:17 god... stupid wifi Sep 01 18:25:35 keeps dropping irc conn Sep 01 18:25:46 but that seems to easy Sep 01 18:26:33 bip... Sep 01 18:27:14 znc Sep 01 18:27:24 ? Sep 01 18:28:02 so, ironically, I go and mistype my pass for sudo ifconfig wlan0 down and it starts working again Sep 01 18:28:47 well that seems like an embarassing problem Sep 01 18:28:51 or was it intentional? Sep 01 18:30:38 ok, broke again Sep 01 18:31:06 love how the bit rate is 0kb/s Sep 01 18:32:20 people thought we'd get a new macbook air Sep 01 18:32:24 they were wrong Sep 01 18:36:09 Roy-Pre101: ping Sep 01 18:38:14 i wouldn't mind if they came out with a core iX 13" macbook pro Sep 01 18:38:18 * halfhalo is stumped by stupid program Sep 01 18:38:20 oh well Sep 01 18:40:45 chuqui: Ping, the new social service integrated into itunes, you got it! Sep 01 18:41:27 [grins] I thought you meant "Ping, the Magic Duck". Sep 01 18:48:55 * DougReeder waves goodbye Sep 01 18:49:21 omgomgomgomg Sep 01 18:49:39 i have Sep 01 18:50:18 this.controller.get('imgFirst').src = "imagelink"; <--- why does that not work! Sep 01 18:50:26 I have used it befor with no problems Sep 01 18:50:37 hotdp, are you modelChanged after? Sep 01 18:51:12 no Sep 01 18:51:23 you need that in order for it to update visually Sep 01 18:52:48 i am not doing it the other places i use similar? Sep 01 18:53:05 but: this.controller.modelChanged(this.imgFirst); <-- wight? Sep 01 18:53:08 right* Sep 01 18:53:19 no. Sep 01 18:53:45 http://www.weboshelp.net/webos-mojo-development-resources/api-reference/336-mojocontrollerscenecontrollermodelchanged Sep 01 18:54:31 this.controller.modelChanged(this.imgFirst, this); <-- ?= Sep 01 18:54:37 modelChanged(this.imgFirstModel, true) Sep 01 18:54:39 I believe Sep 01 18:54:54 ummm Sep 01 18:54:54 or w/e your model name is Sep 01 18:55:04 I'm not sure you have to do modelChanged for that Sep 01 18:55:09 you do Sep 01 18:55:16 element.src = "newSrc" should just work Sep 01 18:55:22 negativessss Sep 01 18:55:34 sugardave it also works Sep 01 18:55:37 but not here Sep 01 18:55:38 It dont work for me Sep 01 18:55:45 Anivrom it still does not work Sep 01 18:55:53 I don't have models/attributes for any html elements Sep 01 18:56:02 only widgets Sep 01 18:56:31 hotdp: try doing a this.controller.activate() after you change the source and see what happens Sep 01 18:56:42 http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=4024 Sep 01 18:56:44 read that Sep 01 18:56:45 note, if you do other things in activate this may not be the best solution :D Sep 01 18:57:05 just this.controller.activate(); ? Sep 01 18:57:38 Anivrom: that's for if you are using a picture widget in Ares...he's talking about not Ares Sep 01 18:57:47 hotdp: yeah, it's like a "refresh" sort of Sep 01 18:57:52 sugardave it does nothing.. Sep 01 18:57:57 i don't get it! Sep 01 18:58:05 hmm...you sure the src is correct? Sep 01 18:58:15 I have had a nightmare of a time to get .src to update correctly Sep 01 18:59:07 I have to use this.controller.get("picture1").firstChild.src = "images/my-new-image.jpg"; Sep 01 18:59:26 And even then I have to set the src in designtime in order for it to work, Ares bug I think Sep 01 18:59:30 Anivrom: is that a Picture widget or an tag? Sep 01 18:59:44 a picture widget is just a div with a img tag Sep 01 18:59:58 and a model Sep 01 19:00:01 and attributes Sep 01 19:00:06 that the tag does not have Sep 01 19:00:11 sugardave i am sure. The src is hardcodded Sep 01 19:00:21 it works on another scene Sep 01 19:00:36 I had the same problem Sep 01 19:00:44 Same code works in 1 scene and not the other Sep 01 19:01:12 Anivrom: I bet if you looked in the DOM, you'd find another (at least one) div wrapped inside that Picture widget...which is why .firstChild.src would work Sep 01 19:01:21 Right. Sep 01 19:01:29 Its just a div with an img tag inside it Sep 01 19:01:31 I'm sure Sep 01 19:01:40 sugardave, if i write the code in the scene.html it works Sep 01 19:01:43 but for a straight up tag, .src should work with nothing else Sep 01 19:01:50 but i can not change it in the assistiant Sep 01 19:02:12 any errors? Sep 01 19:02:18 hotdp: okay, then are you sure you are getting the right element? Sep 01 19:02:45 yer Sep 01 19:02:49 the naming is the same Sep 01 19:02:51 copy/paste Sep 01 19:03:19 Sep 01 19:03:28 this.controller.get('imgFirst').src = "http://hwcdn.themoviedb.org/posters/980/4bc967bc017a3c57fe02f980/the-terminators-cover.jpg"; Sep 01 19:04:13 i have also tryed to use an div and change innerhtml, that does not woth either.. Sep 01 19:04:28 hotdp: are you trying to update this in an ajax request or something? Sep 01 19:04:41 perhaps your 'this' is lost Sep 01 19:04:50 would throw an error Sep 01 19:05:00 hotdp is there any errors Sep 01 19:05:06 yes ajax request Sep 01 19:05:16 hmm good point Sep 01 19:05:27 but where i take the code from i also do it in ajax Sep 01 19:05:40 no errors Sep 01 19:06:03 hotdp: can you pastebin the ajax request? Sep 01 19:06:08 sure thing Sep 01 19:07:41 is it because i do an ajax request inside an ajax request? Sep 01 19:07:51 ah Sep 01 19:07:56 heh Sep 01 19:07:57 that could do it, maybe Sep 01 19:08:54 what should i do :) Sep 01 19:09:03 run like the dickens! Sep 01 19:09:05 pastebin :D Sep 01 19:09:36 http://pastebin.com/njyD8csD Sep 01 19:09:38 remove the url if it's got a key in it or something Sep 01 19:09:50 have removed ;) Sep 01 19:10:29 hotdp: it might be because you're missing .bind(this) on the internal success and error handlers Sep 01 19:10:47 s/internal/inner/ Sep 01 19:11:42 dammit! Sep 01 19:11:54 need to take my glasses with home from owrk Sep 01 19:11:55 fixed? :) Sep 01 19:12:53 ........... Sep 01 19:13:02 * hotdp whispers yes.. Sep 01 19:13:08 woohoo! Sep 01 19:13:09 lol Sep 01 19:13:22 but thanks :) once again Sep 01 19:13:25 np Sep 01 19:13:38 wakawakawaka Sep 01 19:16:02 if i want the img always to be center? Sep 01 19:16:10 how can i do that without margin or padding Sep 01 19:16:25
works sometimes :D Sep 01 19:16:41 or a slightly more complicated mathematical method. Sep 01 19:16:47 is always an option Sep 01 19:17:09 sugardave: will that center it both x and y? Sep 01 19:17:16 I think just x Sep 01 19:17:24 is that std. html ? Sep 01 19:17:29 that's OLD html that was shunned early on, I think Sep 01 19:17:38 oki Sep 01 19:18:12 $("firstImg").style.width and height are a good place to start Sep 01 19:18:54 sugardave if i want on black background that fills the whole screen? if the image is not as width as the screen Sep 01 19:19:08 imgWrapDiv.left = (img.style.width - 3200 / 2 + 'px'; Sep 01 19:19:17 imgWrapDiv.left = (img.style.width - 320) / 2 + 'px'; Sep 01 19:19:19 rather Sep 01 19:19:38 hotdp: I'd wrap the image in another div that had a black background Sep 01 19:19:45 and then center the image in it Sep 01 19:19:46 http://www.w3schools.com/css/pr_background-color.asp Sep 01 19:20:16 that way I could put the image wrapper div wherever I want and the image goes with it Sep 01 19:20:24 but I suck at design, so, yeah Sep 01 19:21:33 thanks Sep 01 19:21:37 i give it a try Sep 01 19:23:44 works fine Sep 01 19:50:29 http://www.thewildernessdowntown.com/ Sep 01 20:09:30 isitoutyet? Sep 01 20:09:42 hey, stop stealing my material! Sep 01 20:10:19 fine Sep 01 20:10:21 isithereyet? Sep 01 20:10:42 wait, that looks like is I there yet Sep 01 20:18:34 * sk4jc wonders how far down chuq's email list he is Sep 01 20:19:00 you just won a trip to the end of the list now Sep 01 20:19:03 :( Sep 01 20:19:20 fifo right? maybe? Sep 01 20:20:46 when is PAX ? Sep 01 20:24:26 sk4jc: fifouymi (fifo unless you mention it) Sep 01 20:24:36 hah Sep 01 20:26:26 sugardave: I'll keep that in mind for next time Sep 01 20:26:56 haeffb_pre: PAX is 9/3 - 9/5 Sep 01 20:27:42 new device announcement? Sep 01 20:28:20 I'm not makeing one Sep 01 20:28:24 making, either Sep 01 20:28:51 rahulsood tweet... Sep 01 20:29:33 yeah, maybe we'll see the Hurricane :D Sep 01 20:30:00 countdown to PAX is on people. this is the first event I've looked forward to in awhile!! Sep 01 20:30:40 sounds promising... Sep 01 20:31:11 maybe we'll see what the C40 is Sep 01 20:31:20 wht is PAX Sep 01 20:31:43 I think it's a big gaming convention Sep 01 20:31:44 something...anything... Sep 01 20:32:44 meh, e3 is better Sep 01 20:45:25 I sense something in the Force Sep 01 20:45:37 sugardave: that's me, sorry Sep 01 20:45:42 cut it ou Sep 01 20:45:44 out Sep 01 20:46:12 just a minute! I'm having some issues with the matrix, it'll be up and running again in no time Sep 01 20:56:25 hi Sep 01 20:56:33 Regarding PAX - http://twitter.com/rahulsood "...there are many unannounced features for webOS 2.0, it is truly an awesome endeavor." Sep 01 20:56:35 sup MetaView Sep 01 20:56:40 he'll be speaking too Sep 01 20:56:51 I have apps pending from 27th, should I start to worry about? Sep 01 20:56:52 so might get to hear something about webos 2.0 Sep 01 20:57:04 MetaView: updates or new releases Sep 01 20:57:08 updates Sep 01 20:57:14 meta updates, or full Sep 01 20:57:21 the week before updates were really fast Sep 01 20:57:23 my meta updates have taken between 1 and 5 days Sep 01 20:57:30 full updates both took 3 days Sep 01 20:57:36 full updates Sep 01 20:57:42 and 2 meta updates Sep 01 20:57:49 wth is !!(something) ? Sep 01 20:58:45 Did you know that SDL_Update acts differently on desktop and on device? Sep 01 20:59:52 what is SDL_Update Sep 01 21:03:07 SDL_Update? a call to update the screen (PDK) Sep 01 21:05:12 i dont useit Sep 01 21:05:43 i use SDL_Flip Sep 01 21:16:22 good afternoon Sep 01 21:17:50 is it? Sep 01 21:18:17 i recon it is better than it could be Sep 01 21:20:54 anyone doing any advertising in a pdk app? and if so ... how? Sep 01 21:21:21 no, not yet Sep 01 21:24:37 me either, although i would like to Sep 01 21:24:55 just not sure how i would easily display an add using the opengl and c++ stuff Sep 01 21:30:08 digitalpowers: a plain image would work and a redirection to the webbrowser when the user clicks - don't know if it is compatible with admob Sep 01 21:30:46 yeah that was my concern trying to find a mobile developer that it would work with Sep 01 21:31:36 what are you looking todo Sep 01 21:32:00 was going to release a lite version of my game with advertising Sep 01 21:32:28 but i think i will do a demo mode instead that limits play to a time or certain score then bugs you to dl the full version Sep 01 21:32:39 if you use admob, they provide the ad as xhtml, which then automatically will open in the browser when you click on the content Sep 01 21:32:52 Yeah admob is garbage Sep 01 21:33:01 their fill rates are less than 20% for most users Sep 01 21:33:03 on webOS Sep 01 21:33:32 yeah they seem to have a lot of problems keepign their advertisers happy Sep 01 21:33:37 Before apple made quattro apple only, it was giving me high 90% fill rates Sep 01 21:33:56 Once google bought ad mob, it turned to trash Sep 01 21:34:00 do these things not work with regular xhr anymore or something? Sep 01 21:34:31 we rolled our own for admob, quattro, and some other one I keep forgetting Sep 01 21:34:37 I need an app for OS X that will read my iTunes library, sync with my Pre, and convert my ALAC and 320kbit AAC to 128kbit AAC before syncing Sep 01 21:34:46 rolled your own what Sep 01 21:34:56 Basically I need a replacement for iTunes talking to the Pre like an iPod and I'm too lazy to write one Sep 01 21:34:59 ad request library Sep 01 21:35:08 oh to replace the others Sep 01 21:35:14 I just used ajax and their api docs Sep 01 21:35:17 sugardave i hear that is the best way to go, if one doesnt fill you find another Sep 01 21:35:19 oh no Sep 01 21:35:24 a request system, Sep 01 21:35:28 Yeah I made my own Sep 01 21:35:32 Theirs works better Sep 01 21:35:39 better fill rates then the one on the blogs Sep 01 21:36:06 my question is how to display them in a opengl/c++ app, and if any of the services support that directly Sep 01 21:36:09 With ad mob also they base results on if you are on wifi, or cell network. There are little to no ads for wifi Sep 01 21:36:16 digitalpowers: yeah, smart money is on a system that will roll through various providers if you start getting blanks Sep 01 21:36:30 digitalpowers: Guarantee they don't have anything premade Sep 01 21:36:33 admob isn't that bad for me Sep 01 21:36:39 ad mob had code, not sure if its for c/CPP Sep 01 21:36:45 Because on iOS you can just use a regular UIKit widget so they never wrote one Sep 01 21:36:47 They have an iphone code package Sep 01 21:36:51 but to render the xhtml you would need a html renderer :) Sep 01 21:36:56 and you can download it, its objective c Sep 01 21:37:01 just port it to webOS Sep 01 21:37:08 profit! Sep 01 21:37:20 we seem to be missign a step here Sep 01 21:37:33 Quatro had some nice code Sep 01 21:37:47 CTLAdvance: But if it's a UIKit widget you need to rewrite half that to get a "port" Sep 01 21:37:51 quattro/iad is apple only now? Sep 01 21:37:52 I cant believe apple walked away from all of the money from ads on other device by making them appl eonly Sep 01 21:38:06 You'd basically just be figuring out how they talk to the server and writing the rest yourself Sep 01 21:38:12 Amaranth - are you sure I didnt look it over completely Sep 01 21:38:15 I wonder what that means for my currently "active" campaigns Sep 01 21:39:12 I wish we had a webkit API in the PDK Sep 01 21:39:21 But I guess their solution for that is hybrid apps Sep 01 21:39:45 i wonder if they are going to do another hot apps competition for the hybrids Sep 01 21:40:35 hope so, but then I'd still need someone to write the PDK part :D Sep 01 21:40:50 That'd be nice, I have some ideas that can only be done as hybrid apps Sep 01 21:41:03 Well, unless I can pull it off with the "sockets" API Sep 01 21:41:06 sugardave: ask :) Sep 01 21:41:08 Which afaik is just node.js? Sep 01 21:41:38 seems like there is a niche to fill here though, someone needs to provide ads that are designed for opengl apps, maybe even 3d or fmv ads that can be dl'ed in the background and then displayed, would need to be higher cost ads though, with fewer displays Sep 01 21:41:49 MetaView: I will probably do just that :D Sep 01 21:42:50 I guess no one syncs music to their pre from OS X though? Sep 01 21:43:18 osx = not windows, that is aproblem for me Sep 01 21:43:23 that and i hate itunes Sep 01 21:43:36 i just drag and drop the files over Sep 01 21:43:44 is that "syncing" ? Sep 01 21:43:46 I hate iTunes too but not as much as I hate everything else Sep 01 21:44:04 it helps that i dont care to listen to music much Sep 01 21:44:07 techrush: Sure, if I wanted to manually convert to 128kbit AAC before I sync Sep 01 21:44:31 hrmmm i hopped into this convo late sorry Sep 01 21:44:34 why are you using AAC / Sep 01 21:44:36 ? Sep 01 21:44:45 I'm actually using ALAC Sep 01 21:45:32 ok Sep 01 21:46:03 * sk4jc just got the email of awesomeness, thanks Chuq Sep 01 21:50:53 sk4jc: NOOOOOOO! Sep 01 21:51:26 still no approvement Sep 01 21:51:36 going to submit another app... Sep 01 21:57:42 !!!!! Sep 01 21:57:48 * halfhalo just found something he liked Sep 01 21:59:24 I, too, have found things I like Sep 01 21:59:57 Maybe there should be a private invite-only channel for those who are under NDA. :) Sep 01 22:00:48 Speaking of which, I had early access to an old thing and got the enrollment message for the new thing, but I don't have access to the other new thing, I emailed chuqui last night but I'm sure he's busy :) Sep 01 22:01:16 make sure you are looking in the right place and have enabled the new thing Sep 01 22:04:32 lol Sep 01 22:06:03 http://pipeline.corante.com/archives/2010/02/23/things_i_wont_work_with_dioxygen_difluoride.php Sep 01 22:07:27 I dont' see how I can enable anything Sep 01 22:07:42 The place where stuff was put previously contains no new stuff Sep 01 22:07:44 nice talk... Sep 01 22:08:12 wasn't there some size problesm with the old stuff already? Sep 01 22:08:19 maybe the new stuff is too big Sep 01 22:08:47 Arrgh`: just a bit.... Sep 01 22:08:54 http://closuretools.blogspot.com/2010/08/introducing-closure-linter.html Sep 01 22:08:55 I'm getting folks through as fast as possible. Sep 01 22:09:24 chuqui: No rush, good to hear I haven't fallen through the cracks, keep up the great work. :) Sep 01 22:09:25 you do NOT want access to my inbox today. It's causing mere mortals to weep Sep 01 22:09:45 chuqui: shall I be concerned about a full update not approved since 27th? or is it normal today/this week? Sep 01 22:09:48 it's a good problem to have, though Sep 01 22:10:41 chuqui: you could use a webos phone and process your emails on the go :D Sep 01 22:10:56 good luck with that Sep 01 22:11:07 so many emails hell need a blackberry 9000 Sep 01 22:11:20 The last of the real email keyboards Sep 01 22:11:25 everybody knows chuqui's got the awesome BT keyboard patch/setup Sep 01 22:11:32 yeah Sep 01 22:11:40 I wish I could have that Sep 01 22:18:10 69 files changed in my dropbox!? Sep 01 22:18:50 ooh, docs Sep 01 22:20:51 * maik starts his emulator Sep 01 22:21:12 enjoy Sep 01 22:22:06 * Tibfib still waits for dropbox Sep 01 22:22:09 i do believe that was the fastest boot-up i've ever seen Sep 01 22:22:20 oooh VPN Sep 01 22:27:56 remember the NDA Sep 01 22:28:11 DELETED Sep 01 22:28:29 what was Sep 01 22:28:37 The interents Sep 01 22:48:55 what are we talking about again? Sep 01 22:52:18 worst thing is when you can't stop playing your own stuff.. Sep 01 22:55:01 7 reviews waiting... Oh well Sep 01 23:06:59 lemketron: if a person wanted to run two versions of SDK on win7, what's the recommended approach? Sep 01 23:08:06 one 32 and one 64 might work Sep 01 23:09:01 look at the old me's dropping like flies... Sep 01 23:09:11 sugardave: fixed my list yet? Sep 01 23:09:23 nope, it's unfixable Sep 01 23:09:43 looking into WP7 SDK? Sep 01 23:09:55 like you said, even their example has to know the length Sep 01 23:10:02 so what can you do? Sep 01 23:10:06 hell if I know Sep 01 23:10:27 I will peruse the list widget code to see if I can figure anything...but that's not likely Sep 01 23:14:48 haeffb__: You mean keeping around multiple versions of the emulator image? Sep 01 23:16:00 I would always recommend installing the latest SDK, but it should still be able to unpack/boot archived vmdk.zip images, and of course any VMs that have already been created should be bootable from the VirtualBox gui and won't go away until you actually remove them. Sep 01 23:16:07 yes, I suppose that's what I mean. So that I can test on 1.4.1, 1.4.5, etc Sep 01 23:16:18 righteyo Sep 01 23:16:41 hi lemketron Sep 01 23:21:21 haeffb: See also slide 20 of this presentation: http://www.slideshare.net/fpatton/lemke-steve-debugging-palm-dev-day Sep 01 23:21:48 which tells you where to find a given SDK's vmdk.zip file, and where to stash it so the palm-emulator will always offer it even after you install newer SDKs. Sep 01 23:21:49 It's a long shot, but are you Steve Lemke from Courtenay BC? :) Sep 01 23:21:55 nope Sep 01 23:22:04 no, eh? Sep 01 23:22:07 That's better ;) Sep 01 23:22:09 hahaha Sep 01 23:22:36 don't know anything aboot Courtenay Sep 01 23:22:45 Oh, he's a Lemky, never mind Sep 01 23:23:02 You know, I didn't quite believe you until I checked on my end ;) Sep 01 23:23:42 huh, never seen it spelled that way, though some people try to add a "p" after the "m". Sep 01 23:33:04 heh. lemketron's been around, without ever leaving the company... Sep 01 23:33:51 heh. found the second slide, eh? Sep 01 23:34:04 14 years last month. Sep 01 23:34:05 lol Sep 01 23:34:08 nice Sep 01 23:34:26 what an interesting ride. Sep 01 23:35:04 including a few rounds of "fasten your seat belts"... :-) Sep 01 23:35:20 hope you have it on tight right now... Sep 01 23:35:31 It must've been intensely frustrating in the dark age between 2002ish and 2007 Sep 01 23:35:45 where did those years go? Sep 01 23:36:02 Hey, Palm had some sweet WinMo phones then. =P Sep 01 23:36:05 ha Sep 01 23:36:10 oh yeah, that's when I had kids, so it was easier to not be as concerned about the "darkness" Sep 01 23:36:24 lol Sep 01 23:36:37 say, what is "open service handles" in WORM? Sep 01 23:36:48 outstanding service requests, iirc. Sep 01 23:36:54 (subscribed?) Sep 01 23:37:01 kk Sep 01 23:37:32 lemketron: BTW, Lumberjack now has dbus capture Sep 01 23:37:41 :) Sep 01 23:38:08 nice Sep 01 23:38:25 wait, dbus? Sep 01 23:38:38 yep Sep 01 23:38:54 we had to add an ouroboros filter of course Sep 01 23:39:06 heh, I worked for a wireless software company in 2000-2003, they'd figured out how to enable multitasking on classic PalmOS using stuff from Kadak Sep 01 23:39:36 who was that? Sep 01 23:39:42 Infowave, in Vancouver BC Sep 01 23:39:44 * oil is thinking about adding handles/node graphs to lumberjack as well Sep 01 23:40:09 * haeffb__ just used AresLog for the first time. nice. Sep 01 23:40:18 * lemketron fondly recalls AMX on 68K. 32K of RAM, running for three months on two AAA batteries... Sep 01 23:40:50 technically 128K of RAM, but 32K of dynamic heap, 14K used by the system, and the other 18K free for your app to use as it wished. Sep 01 23:40:54 I remember my Psion 5mx consuming 150mA with the backlight on, or 90ish off Sep 01 23:41:18 Luxury! You tell that to the kids these days... Sep 01 23:41:36 "Ares will also be able to debug devices over USB" Sep 01 23:41:43 as in someday, or as in can now? Sep 01 23:42:22 heh, 'While this [AMX] kernel is technically capable of multitasking, the "terms and conditions of that license specifically state that Palm may not expose the API for creating/manipulating tasks within the OS."' Sep 01 23:42:26 No disclosure, no problem Sep 01 23:42:50 sorry to talk work and interrupt you oldtimer's reminisciences (or however you spell that) Sep 01 23:42:51 Yup. Palm was a little startup and got a great deal on AMX because we weren't allowed to expose the multi-tasking APIs to external developers. Sep 01 23:43:09 always cracked me up that people said the Palm Pilot didn't do multitasking. Sep 01 23:43:43 and again when another popular smartphone shipped and nobody seemed to mind that it didn't multitask. Sep 01 23:43:56 Speaking of reminiscing: http://www.doonesbury.com/strip/retro/timeline/90s/930827.html Sep 01 23:44:10 * dgathright wonders if he still has his Palm Pilot buried in a box somewhere Sep 01 23:44:41 oh, and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xc3JzS0K3ys Sep 01 23:44:58 Yep, the classic Eat up Martha Sep 01 23:45:41 I think it was this guy that did the AMX skullduggery: http://www.kylheku.com/~kaz Sep 01 23:51:52 haeffb: Actually, it should work now, on 1.4.5. Sep 01 23:52:13 I would've thought there'd be a little more excitement about it, but haven't really even heard of anyone trying it yet. Sep 01 23:52:36 lemketron: i don't suppose you handle dropbox, do you? ;) Sep 01 23:52:46 no, but I can see it Sep 01 23:53:45 i can see it as well Sep 01 23:54:18 need access to other folders, so i sent an e-mail Sep 01 23:56:05 i m still at rank 76 =( Sep 01 23:56:11 i need 1000 downloads =| Sep 01 23:57:04 ??? Sep 01 23:57:44 lemketron: was that directed at me? Sep 01 23:58:06 No, Nyceane Sep 01 23:58:14 hehe Sep 01 23:58:30 Nyceane: don't you have one in the top 20 or something? Sep 01 23:59:36 yah, my other one is 76 tho =( Sep 01 23:59:45 oh. I get it. Rank. Nothing to do with dropbox. Sep 02 00:00:06 I need the credit to buy a palm =| Sep 02 00:00:59 if you're in the top 20, you'll have enough credit Sep 02 00:01:10 you should be happy about that Sep 02 00:02:26 ok =D Sep 02 00:02:27 when's the PDK contest end? Sep 02 00:02:34 29 more days Sep 02 00:04:26 haeffb, did you enter the contest? Sep 02 00:05:25 hmmm, how well would an o2 sim card work in the us? :/ Sep 02 00:05:56 If you don't mind paying a fortune for roaming, fine. ;) Sep 02 00:06:24 it was pre-paid :) Sep 02 00:06:31 and it's like 4 years old or something Sep 02 00:06:50 Oh, well if it's not linked to an active account it just won't work IIUC Sep 02 00:07:32 hmmm Sep 02 00:07:41 well, dev device anyway, oh well Sep 02 00:08:02 A SIM is nothing special, it's what connects you as an *account holder* to some carrier Sep 02 00:09:08 Your phone numbers, billing, etc. go along with the SIM. If you're already with T-Mo or AT&T and the new device is unlocked, you should be able to just pop your current sim in the new device and you're off to the races Sep 02 00:09:44 If it's a European device you're extremely unlikely to get 3G data service, you'll be on EDGE Sep 02 00:10:06 us device Sep 02 00:10:12 at&t pre plus Sep 02 00:10:24 How much? :) Sep 02 00:10:26 it was asking for a sim, but i don't really have one Sep 02 00:10:40 I dunno offhand if AT&T/T-Mo have PAYG accounts Sep 02 00:11:09 well, i don't need it as a phone, just wondering if i could plug in a random sim and have it work Sep 02 00:11:15 but i bypassed it, so meh Sep 02 00:11:35 Nyceane: Yeah, I entered my Angry Birds app...think it will do well? Sep 02 00:12:12 haeffb__: you talking about your cannon game? Sep 02 00:12:34 no, I was just kidding. I'm not a C programmer Sep 02 00:21:29 so ive been off the grid all day.. someone give me a rundown of the happenings today Sep 02 00:22:02 sun rose .. it got hot .. now it's going down .. Sep 02 00:22:04 getting cooler Sep 02 00:24:39 ...and darker. Sep 02 00:27:05 odd Sep 02 00:27:15 thank you palm for adding webos101 Sep 02 00:27:37 bought some food at a place at work last week, debit cleared, but today they just credited it back.. oh well free meal for me ;P Sep 02 00:27:59 the precentral article was pretty bad. http://www.precentral.net/palm-launches-webos-101-developer-wiki?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+Precentralnet+(PreCentral.net) Sep 02 00:28:07 oh yah Sep 02 00:28:13 i like how they didnt know it wasnt a palm site Sep 02 00:28:56 yeah, a quick look at the site would show it's older than today/yesterday Sep 02 00:29:02 heh Sep 02 00:29:27 and palm "made" a page with needed articles Sep 02 00:29:27 can anyone recommend a good cheap wifi router? that say i could buy AT bestbuy, ill be needing one saturday Sep 02 00:29:59 Hmm... Good ~and~ Cheap? Sep 02 00:30:53 I've had bad results with D-Link DIR-655 and DIR-825, I'd probably go with a Linksys WRT610N but it's not that cheap Sep 02 00:30:53 You'll need to define "good". Sep 02 00:31:17 My definition of "good" is "is capable of running Tomato, or, failing that, DD-WRT" ;) Sep 02 00:31:25 * Tibfib wants to discuss a certain new version of hte sdk Sep 02 00:31:27 i lost my wrt54g when i moved to this apartment Sep 02 00:31:33 i dont know where i put it Sep 02 00:31:37 You can still buy them cheap Sep 02 00:31:55 I'd go to dd-wrt's website and look at the list of supported routers. Sep 02 00:32:20 yeah but that means i gotta do even more work Sep 02 00:33:24 http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Supported_Devices#List_of_Incompatible_Routers Sep 02 00:35:07 so I found that my buffalo router configured as an access point is limiting my download speeds to ~700kbps Sep 02 00:35:23 and I am not smart enough to change it. Sep 02 00:37:43 oh webOS how I love you Sep 02 00:38:05 Tibfib: =] Sep 02 00:38:44 * haeffb__ is installing something new. Sep 02 00:38:45 hah, I'm more excited about the new version as a user rather than a developer. Sep 02 00:39:03 although I'm pretty excited about both Sep 02 00:39:12 <--- having a heck of a time trying to get the 1.4.5 emulator to install on Vista64! I've changed the System Path to include Java, still flashes a window, then nothing! Sep 02 00:40:09 Uninstalled/reinstalled. Installed latest version of Virtual Box. Stumped right now. Sep 02 00:41:12 Tibfib: Opposite for me. While I'm certainly excited as a user, I'm 100x more excited as a dev. Been waiting for Mojo Core & Node for like 6 months. :) Sep 02 00:45:14 uh. me likes this new thing. Sep 02 00:45:21 haeffb__: me too Sep 02 00:53:48 Ok, got the emulator running! (finally!!!) :) Sep 02 00:56:21 hey, quick questions, does anyone know what devices will be able to run webOS 2.0? Sep 02 00:56:46 well currently theres only the pixi and pre Sep 02 00:56:48 sooo.. Sep 02 00:58:11 so pre, pre plus, pixi, and pixi plus? Sep 02 00:58:26 thats all that exists right now Sep 02 00:58:28 so yah Sep 02 00:58:31 * creationix is new to palm phones Sep 02 00:58:48 i dont think hpalm is looking to force people to upgrade to run the newer Sep 02 00:58:50 Dark rumours of a webOS tablet have been circulating for months Sep 02 00:59:35 OK, so they're more than rumours :) http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/19/hp-confirms-webos-tablet-for-early-2011/ Sep 02 01:00:18 tablet would be cool Sep 02 01:00:22 lol Sep 02 01:00:27 more money for us =D Sep 02 01:00:46 hot tablet app Sep 02 01:06:51 so, what tools do people expect to use to debug node.js services? Sep 02 01:07:11 bah, tools Sep 02 01:07:19 awesome one Sep 02 01:07:23 ones Sep 02 01:08:18 easy way to see console output would be awesome Sep 02 01:08:35 there are debugger tools for node Sep 02 01:08:44 not sure what works with the new webos though Sep 02 01:10:29 rwhitby: http://github.com/dannycoates/node-inspector Sep 02 01:12:47 WOW Sep 02 01:13:00 looking for a router, i stumbled upon this crap bestbuy is pushing Sep 02 01:13:01 http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Networking/Wireless-Networking/abcat0503001.c?id=abcat0503001 Sep 02 01:13:21 basically how i read that.. wireless G is crap.. and yet i do everything they say it cant Sep 02 01:14:01 * sugardave has only G. Sep 02 01:14:08 I'm fine Sep 02 01:14:11 It's a bit rich to claim you can't stream music over G... 224kbps average should fit just fine Sep 02 01:14:20 HD video not so much though Sep 02 01:14:27 ive streamed many netflix movies in HD Sep 02 01:14:51 the capacity of my router is only limited by my internet access speed.. Sep 02 01:15:01 the way that chart looks, its like a N router makes your internet faster Sep 02 01:27:23 * rwhitby creates http://webos101.com/Node.js Sep 02 01:48:11 I wish I knew why Ares always locks up Safari on my mac ... Sep 02 01:58:30 java plugin? Sep 02 01:58:33 that'd be my guest Sep 02 01:58:36 guess* Sep 02 01:58:43 the java plugins cause the hang ups Sep 02 01:58:53 from my experience Sep 02 01:58:57 you could check error console Sep 02 01:59:00 see if it throws anything Sep 02 01:59:48 i wonder if using node.js vs java will speed the whole damn thing up.. java has always seemed slow Sep 02 02:03:35 this is an awesome article: http://howtonode.org/what-is-this Sep 02 02:03:42 thanks rwhitby Sep 02 02:05:35 according to lemke, there are some places where native is better than node, but java seems to be the least ideal, and most services had been moved to native by 1.4.5 Sep 02 02:05:53 and some will stay native because it's considerably better Sep 02 02:06:00 but for others node is ideal Sep 02 02:06:53 moved to native by 2.0 ... 1.4.5 is still all java Sep 02 02:12:12 haeffb__: no worries - hopefully people will add more to the page Sep 02 02:20:39 lemke seemed to indicate java was gone by 1.4.5 Sep 02 02:21:35 it's still there on my phone i am pretty sure Sep 02 02:22:25 pretty sure it's there Sep 02 02:23:58 you guys! Sep 02 02:24:01 !! Sep 02 02:24:13 well maybe it's not there, in the future D: Sep 02 02:25:09 heh Sep 02 02:25:17 you can always rm `which java` Sep 02 02:25:18 :) Sep 02 02:26:35 halo all Sep 02 02:29:21 hey Sep 02 02:31:50 stacks are so cool Sep 02 02:33:49 Tibfib: you began messing with 2? Sep 02 02:34:02 have you used them? I wouldn't know since all that stuff is under NDA Sep 02 02:34:17 it could be possible. Sep 02 02:34:27 alexfner: you're not in early access? Sep 02 02:34:39 I've seen "artist's representations" Sep 02 02:34:44 looks pretty sweet Sep 02 02:34:51 Tibfib: I guess I was saying, that is something that shouldn't be discussed in here, since it's under NDA Sep 02 02:35:09 I'm didn't say whether I had it, just that it was cool :) Sep 02 02:35:22 yeah I was just worried where that comment could lead Sep 02 02:35:23 palm announced them publicly Sep 02 02:35:25 so I was preemptive Sep 02 02:37:44 have not downloaded "X.x" SDK --> will do that now Sep 02 02:39:48 you guys suck at being sekrit, didn't you ever play spy when you were kids? Sep 02 02:40:09 :D Sep 02 02:40:12 secrets are for wimps Sep 02 02:49:44 sugardave: have working list code. but it feels like hack. Sep 02 02:53:05 have used dropbox in the past, but how do i access files from palm? Sep 02 02:53:34 guess i have not used it in months Sep 02 02:56:49 LoneStar99: maybe palm sent you an email with instructions? Sep 02 02:57:38 sugardave: argh. retract that last statement Sep 02 02:58:45 hmmm... i see a parrot, frog, and boston Sep 02 02:59:06 but no files... **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Sep 02 02:59:58 2010