**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Sep 05 02:59:57 2010 Sep 05 03:00:01 * oil would try to bite it out of air? Sep 05 03:00:12 MONKEY Sep 05 03:00:15 I suppose you can do that as well... Sep 05 03:00:19 lol Sep 05 03:02:05 * halfhalo wakawakawaka Sep 05 03:06:31 * halfhalo has over 10 dollars worth of pennies in front of him Sep 05 03:55:56 has anyone had the problem with RadioButtons where, if you specify a value during setup it messes up the sizing? Sep 05 04:26:27 * oil doesn't think hes ever used one of those radiobuttons Sep 05 04:30:17 mah screen! its brokked! How will I procrastinate by watching top gear nao! Sep 05 04:30:31 sux Sep 05 04:30:42 last time my screen went out it was a slow death Sep 05 04:30:51 same with this one Sep 05 04:30:53 giving me time to replace it before it was completely unusable Sep 05 04:31:04 it just, became harder to turn it on Sep 05 04:31:05 lol Sep 05 04:31:28 Well, I do have a second monitor tied to the computer, but I also use it for my other desktop Sep 05 04:31:49 goodnight everyone Sep 05 04:32:03 But for some reason the connection to the broken monitor keeps causing static on the screen Sep 05 04:32:42 Well, not static static, but pixel static Sep 05 04:34:08 I may try to pick up another one of the samsung monitors I have for my desktop Sep 05 04:34:17 2048x1152 for 200 ftw Sep 05 04:35:58 * oil has 4480x3248 xD Sep 05 04:36:05 nice Sep 05 04:36:28 with 3 monitors Sep 05 04:37:40 I have 3 monitors on my desk, but their all different sizes Sep 05 04:37:58 21.5" 1680x1050 viewsonic on the left tied to the mac mini Sep 05 04:38:21 2048x1152 21.5" tied to both mac mini and windows desktop Sep 05 04:38:33 and 1280x1024 19" tied to desktop Sep 05 04:38:56 Can't really fit anything bigger on my desk Sep 05 04:40:15 * oil has 2 19s around a 27 Sep 05 04:40:42 God, what I would give for a 27 at home... I have a 28 dell at work thats amazing Sep 05 04:42:50 only like $300 Sep 05 04:43:08 Cost isn't really an issue.. space is Sep 05 04:44:23 lol Sep 05 04:44:28 get a bigger desk Sep 05 04:44:42 the only solution, haha Sep 05 04:44:45 bah Sep 05 04:44:54 it weighs like a ton Sep 05 04:46:52 my desk is one of those foldable jobs Sep 05 04:46:56 weighs nothing Sep 05 04:47:01 lol Sep 05 04:47:03 heh Sep 05 04:47:10 mine was built in place Sep 05 04:47:12 solid wood Sep 05 04:47:16 fancy Sep 05 04:47:21 * rwhitby does absolutely everything on a 15" macbook Sep 05 04:47:33 * oil weeps for rwhitby Sep 05 04:47:45 * rwhitby is efficient ;) Sep 05 04:48:32 More like WRONG Sep 05 04:48:55 I have a 15" mbp... not a fan Sep 05 04:49:14 * oil has a hp laptop fished from the dumpseter Sep 05 04:49:42 lol Sep 05 04:49:49 * halfhalo has a Lenovo T400, Asus C90s, Asus AS1410, and a work provided MBP Sep 05 04:49:54 its screen had broken off Sep 05 04:50:03 * oil fixed it up with like $30 worth of parts off ebay Sep 05 04:50:06 works a charm now Sep 05 04:50:10 * halfhalo is also a staff member of a notebook forum, so he has an excuse Sep 05 04:50:19 lol Sep 05 04:51:08 * halfhalo does feel like a new laptop though... but nothing tickles his fancy Sep 05 04:51:21 i rarely use my laptop as it is Sep 05 04:51:26 dont know what i would do with another Sep 05 04:51:46 I using nothing other Sep 05 04:52:20 not even at work? Sep 05 04:52:31 nope Sep 05 04:52:38 * halfhalo really only uses the T400 and as1410 for schoolwork and the mbp at work, then a mac mini or custom desktop at home Sep 05 04:52:41 same session travels with me 24 hours a day Sep 05 04:53:43 I've been taking the T400 and as1410 with me to class since the T400 lasts FOREVER in windows and the 1410 has linux Sep 05 04:54:49 two laptops to class? Sep 05 04:54:50 jeez Sep 05 04:54:54 I basically turn the !400 on at 11 in the morning and it lasts until 4 Sep 05 04:55:08 well the 1410 weighs about the same as my zune hd Sep 05 04:56:13 urg - webos quick install does not see the palmpre... keeps telling me that no devices are connected. Sep 05 04:56:20 should i mount it? Sep 05 04:56:36 is developer mode on? Sep 05 04:56:57 rwhitby: no backup laptop? Sep 05 04:57:15 my backup laptop has a jet engine Sep 05 04:57:21 literally Sep 05 04:57:38 halfhalo, yes, i just set it on... Sep 05 04:57:49 did you restart the phone... Sep 05 04:58:38 halfhalo, the thing demanded it that i restart.. didna have any choice Sep 05 04:59:21 novacmd is running, too Sep 05 04:59:26 hmm... Then I have no idea. We really don't use QI here Sep 05 04:59:38 oil: don't need a backup laptop when everything you do is in repositories (commercial or open source) Sep 05 04:59:43 been running for a while Sep 05 04:59:49 oh? Sep 05 04:59:51 hrm Sep 05 05:00:08 evn fails finding in device management Sep 05 05:00:17 windows? Sep 05 05:00:22 debian Sep 05 05:00:28 lenny Sep 05 05:00:36 bah, linux Sep 05 05:00:46 heh Sep 05 05:01:11 found a uncaught exceptions, too Sep 05 05:01:34 restart? Sep 05 05:02:11 keep re-running qi Sep 05 05:02:13 smash against wall? Sep 05 05:02:20 uh, no Sep 05 05:02:27 I vote oils solution! Sep 05 05:02:52 brand new, disagree Sep 05 05:02:53 call palm support hotline? Sep 05 05:02:53 xD Sep 05 05:03:13 can't imagine that is terribly hot on their list of support tiems Sep 05 05:03:15 items Sep 05 05:03:23 haha Sep 05 05:03:33 seriously though, i know nothing of quick install on linux :/ Sep 05 05:03:35 see, if you were running windows I would just say reboot and it would either fix the issue or brake their computer so they can't come back! Sep 05 05:03:41 i would attempt to help if i could Sep 05 05:03:56 will see if i can make standlone works Sep 05 05:04:39 if you have the sdk Sep 05 05:04:47 you can palm-install stuff Sep 05 05:05:02 palm-install makemeasamich Sep 05 05:05:46 its not working... Sep 05 05:07:55 sudo Sep 05 05:08:20 now its on fire... Sep 05 05:08:31 success! Sep 05 05:08:56 ... Sep 05 05:09:06 * halfhalo stares at pre on fire... Sep 05 05:10:22 * halfhalo gets marshmellows Sep 05 05:11:18 * halfhalo hands oil some marshmellows Sep 05 05:11:44 can i have one Sep 05 05:12:01 * halfhalo hands CTLAdvance a marshmellow Sep 05 05:12:02 wait Sep 05 05:12:23 * CTLAdvance remembers he has some ultra large camping marshmellows Sep 05 05:12:38 * CTLAdvance hands halfhalo a ultra large camping mellow Sep 05 05:12:45 * halfhalo already has some Sep 05 05:13:26 * CTLAdvance just dropped a burning mellow on his pant leg.... and goes up like halfhalos pre Sep 05 05:14:20 flaming marshmellow goo is no fun for anyone Sep 05 05:14:39 hah Sep 05 05:15:39 * halfhalo is eating marshmellows whie watching top gear Sep 05 05:17:13 * oil wonders if he can find some marshmellows now, thanks a lot Sep 05 05:17:15 brb Sep 05 05:17:23 hah Sep 05 05:21:05 g.evening.all Sep 05 05:30:04 :( Sep 05 05:34:29 howdy oil Sep 05 05:34:38 hey Sep 05 05:34:47 lol Sep 05 05:34:51 didn;t find any? Sep 05 05:34:56 though, every time i see you join, i think, ns identify student1 Sep 05 05:34:57 haha Sep 05 05:35:10 no Sep 05 05:35:19 * halfhalo sends oil some Sep 05 05:35:21 no marshmellows to be found Sep 05 05:35:58 oil, yeah Sep 05 05:37:02 have signed on wasted plenty of times, and never revealed any password, guess i must get wasted more often Sep 05 05:38:24 sounds like a very good plan Sep 05 05:38:52 yeah, Sep 05 05:40:12 Ahhh the beauty of znc Sep 05 05:40:59 how is yalls labor day weekend going thus far? Sep 05 05:41:09 Weekendy Sep 05 05:42:55 * oil is going to his grandmothers surprise 80th birthday party tomorrow Sep 05 05:43:36 oil, wow enjoy that Sep 05 05:43:47 Lol... I'm going to mines as well. Although not 80 and not surprise Sep 05 05:45:16 have no grand parents here, all gone Sep 05 05:48:17 but going with my dad, to classify some palm trees in the morning Sep 05 05:51:38 * oil hopes its not too much of a surprise Sep 05 05:51:47 and we still get to celebrate her 81st Sep 05 05:51:48 oil: lol Sep 05 05:52:16 i am sure it will be cool Sep 05 05:52:19 Going to el torritos here Sep 05 05:52:42 And cleaning my cars headlights tomorrow as well Sep 05 05:53:23 They be diiiirty Sep 05 05:55:24 halfhalo: el torrito? a restaurant? Sep 05 05:55:31 Si Sep 05 05:56:06 Fake Mexican.... But good fake Mexican Sep 05 05:57:04 i am thinking if they have some in san diego, sounds familar Sep 05 05:57:14 They should Sep 05 05:57:41 all mexican food i have eaten in southern cali, kinda sucks Sep 05 05:58:00 Meh, I take what I can get Sep 05 05:58:11 the burritos with fries and meat are good Sep 05 05:58:37 Although there's this little hole in the wall place in la that was amazing Sep 05 05:58:56 halfhalo: what happened to the place? Sep 05 05:59:22 Nothing, i just don't know whee it is anymore Sep 05 05:59:29 And it was pretty price Sep 05 05:59:31 Pricy Sep 05 05:59:39 Like 30 a person Sep 05 06:00:41 about 2 weeks went to a mexican restaurant with my dad for "lunch" he had one glass of wine, the tab $130 Sep 05 06:00:59 Also found a little chinese place in la while escaping from the nab finals and e3 traffic Sep 05 06:01:09 most expensive mexican food ever and it was like a 6.5 Sep 05 06:01:18 Someone in the party had saki for t he first time Sep 05 06:01:21 Funniest Sep 05 06:01:23 Drunk Sep 05 06:01:25 Ever Sep 05 06:01:36 love Saki Bombs Sep 05 06:01:42 ESP when he was stuck in the trunk of my car Sep 05 06:01:54 have u ever eaten at pinks hotdogs? Sep 05 06:02:05 Yeah, there's one near my school Sep 05 06:02:16 those are sweet Sep 05 06:02:20 Yup Sep 05 06:02:34 Ever been to the original tommies burger Sep 05 06:02:58 halfhalo: never but i assume very good? Sep 05 06:03:07 Oh... My.. God... Sep 05 06:03:10 It is amazing Sep 05 06:03:19 Just a little shack, but soooo goooood Sep 05 06:03:57 love good burgers Sep 05 06:04:14 Yeah Sep 05 06:04:16 the best fast food burger "In and Out" Sep 05 06:04:32 Meh, I prefer tommies chili burgers Sep 05 06:04:36 and whataburger in texas Sep 05 06:04:52 But I did have innout for lunch today Sep 05 06:05:02 tommies is fast food?, ain't no tommies in SD Sep 05 06:05:13 we have none of those here Sep 05 06:05:23 Not the original one, but the others usually are Sep 05 06:05:29 There's two chains Sep 05 06:05:38 but we do have a few local fastfood burger joints that are excellent Sep 05 06:06:05 Both are around the same quality, with the original tommies better than the other, which is usually in. Malls Sep 05 06:06:32 There's really no local plAces near where i live Sep 05 06:06:42 There was one near my highschool Sep 05 06:06:44 "original tommies burgers" are only in the LA area, from what i see on the tommies map Sep 05 06:07:00 Yeah Sep 05 06:07:03 we got a place called miners which is great Sep 05 06:07:13 then there is another place called majors, which is funny Sep 05 06:07:48 The first tim ei have ever been to sonic was at dev days.. Not as good as i thought it would be Sep 05 06:08:06 oh, we got one of those Sep 05 06:08:08 never been there though Sep 05 06:08:20 It was just... Meh Sep 05 06:08:27 i hear their drinks are good Sep 05 06:09:15 halfhalo: the long hotdogs and chees tators at sonic are good Sep 05 06:09:24 that is all i eat at sonic Sep 05 06:09:55 The nearest one to me is like an hour away Sep 05 06:10:03 sonic here like 2 minutes away, but have not been in like 6 months + Sep 05 06:10:11 its on the other side of town from me Sep 05 06:10:22 Would rather go to taco bell and get 3bean and cheese burritos Sep 05 06:12:49 i would rather go to jack in the box and get junior bacon cheeseburers Sep 05 06:12:50 Mmmmmmmmmm Sep 05 06:12:56 Taco bell..... Sep 05 06:13:30 Ehhhh... Jack in the box is a meh for me Sep 05 06:14:42 i like jack and the box, but the last time, i went to one, some dirty bum, was passed out taking a shit Sep 05 06:15:18 thats part of the fun! Sep 05 06:15:32 Lol Sep 05 06:17:44 do not get grossed out with anything, but something about a dirty tweeker, or dirty bum... Sep 05 06:27:24 anyone ever resize an image with javascript? Sep 05 06:35:04 argh Sep 05 06:35:21 palm-install: FAILED_IPKG_INSTALL Sep 05 06:35:23 still Sep 05 06:36:08 qacat what version of SDK you using? Sep 05 06:36:25 dev mode, using the command line interface installer method, novacmd is running as super user to get the usb and still! Sep 05 06:36:32 uh, latest... Sep 05 06:37:29 LoneStar99, i installed it last week Sep 05 06:37:45 LoneStar99 Version: 1.4.5-svn307799-sdk1457-pho465 Sep 05 06:38:21 palm-install shows the device, but doesn't reach it Sep 05 06:38:46 i don Sep 05 06:39:03 i don't know what data socket 12 is Sep 05 06:39:35 but it starts a temp channed, novacom closes 4116 (i presume it is pertinent) then it foes through the routine. Sep 05 06:40:23 there are out of sequence packets., but that doesn't seem strange, since my emulator does that to my crummy calculateor Sep 05 06:40:56 (and this package is the webos internals preware!, not my crummy calculator Sep 05 06:40:59 ) Sep 05 06:46:01 you using linux? Sep 05 06:50:53 LoneStar99: he is Sep 05 06:55:14 qacat: running - win7 here Sep 05 07:15:42 what's some cool aps to check out? Sep 05 07:17:43 ShadeS: like what you looking for? Sep 05 07:18:15 dunno Sep 05 07:18:19 system stuff Sep 05 07:18:26 I use ssh and terminal from my palm Sep 05 07:19:32 ShadeS: not sure about them sort of apps... Sep 05 07:32:28 naybody here? Sep 05 07:32:56 yeah Sep 05 07:36:51 what up alexfner Sep 05 07:37:45 hey hows it going man Sep 05 07:38:06 went and hung out and talked to people tonight Sep 05 07:38:08 it was neat Sep 05 07:38:19 talked to a guy from detroit, romania, switzerland, among others Sep 05 07:38:31 really where u go out to? Sep 05 07:39:02 a pub? Sep 05 07:40:24 hah, no a house Sep 05 07:41:34 right on, was it a party? Sep 05 07:42:09 something like that, I spose :D Sep 05 07:43:09 cool - sounds like a good time Sep 05 07:53:23 very chill here Sep 05 07:53:26 yeah man, people are great Sep 05 07:53:29 yeah it is Sep 05 07:54:02 people are great or they suck Sep 05 07:55:00 no in between Sep 05 07:56:02 hah Sep 05 07:56:04 ridiculous Sep 05 07:56:06 and you know it Sep 05 07:56:21 this is not 1 bit binary we're dealing with Sep 05 07:56:23 this is 8 bit Sep 05 07:56:27 so there's a spectrum Sep 05 07:56:34 of 256 different possibilities Sep 05 07:56:39 ranging from suck to great Sep 05 07:58:08 yeah, but think for the most part it is either 0 or 256, but humans, make excuses for everything in between "gray" area Sep 05 07:58:55 that is when attorneys come into the calculation everything between 1-255 Sep 05 08:01:14 alexfner: did you enter the PDK competition? Sep 05 08:04:35 I am working on it Sep 05 08:05:20 what you working on? a game? Sep 05 08:14:33 the pixi dust app looks killer, will download it tommorrow Sep 05 08:17:17 a game Sep 05 08:17:36 pixi dust is rather dull Sep 05 08:17:50 if I turn it to one side it automatically clears the screen Sep 05 08:17:54 and that feels like a limitation Sep 05 08:17:59 and that annoys me immensely Sep 05 08:21:42 just downloaded, it is cool, but lacking Sep 05 08:22:40 i thought it was gonna be better Sep 05 08:22:58 like some planet or solar system type app Sep 05 08:28:53 yeah Sep 05 08:34:01 gave it a 3 Sep 05 08:42:54 alright chat tomara Sep 05 10:00:46 hey Sep 05 12:44:12 I am loading some data from an html5db in order to build a list. I'm using setupWidget() from the transaction's callback, but it won't work. Any idea on how to do that ? Sep 05 12:45:20 log tells me that "WidgetController: Could not instantiate widget ' levelSelector ', since it has not been setup" Sep 05 12:49:40 setupWidget with items: [] Sep 05 12:49:58 then in your callback, myListModel.items = newStuff; Sep 05 12:50:08 this.controller.modelChanged(myListModel); Sep 05 12:50:25 and BOOM! goes the dynamite! Sep 05 12:54:56 hey haeffb Sep 05 12:55:06 morning! Sep 05 12:55:23 ! to u 2 Sep 05 12:55:30 hey Sep 05 12:57:45 hi swiss Sep 05 12:57:50 and metaview Sep 05 12:58:33 ty haeffb Sep 05 12:59:41 hi Sep 05 12:59:49 good afternoon Sep 05 13:01:10 haeffb is correct, famic Sep 05 13:01:23 hallo metaview Sep 05 13:01:58 i'm translating a 3 piece introduction to phonegap for the palm developer portal (to german) Sep 05 13:02:12 although there would be a better way if I could get this stupid lazy loading to work Sep 05 13:03:42 still working on that? Sep 05 13:05:00 uh, oh ... Porn 4 U N I (@porn4uni) is now following your tweets Sep 05 13:06:13 still fighting the lazy list thing? Sep 05 13:07:35 haeffb: ^^ Sep 05 13:07:57 still fighting...but feebly Sep 05 13:09:40 making progress? Sep 05 13:11:04 no. I just posted on dev forum and waiting for someone smarter than me to tell me what's up. Sep 05 13:19:43 that should take too long... ;) Sep 05 13:19:43 ('nt) Sep 05 13:30:29 sportscenter top 5 play: http://www.columbiatribune.com/photos/galleries/2010/sep/04/mu-23-illinois-13/6352/ Sep 05 15:38:30 what's the preferred method of creating 'classes' in javascript? is it to define the constructor and then prototype the methods? or do a whole nested function thing ? Sep 05 15:59:52 looks like the prototype way is more accepted and better .. might be the fact that if you do the nested function thing, you copy the function over and over instead of applying the function to the type itself Sep 05 16:05:09 bpadalino: that is correct Sep 05 16:05:38 at least on webos, i've never seen a class defined another way Sep 05 16:06:30 er, rather i've never seen a method of a defined class executed without prototype Sep 05 16:08:58 yeah, prototype seems to be the way to go Sep 05 16:09:26 from the man himself: http://javascript.crockford.com/prototypal.html Sep 05 16:11:12 bah, the 10 last tickets to jsconf.eu were sold out in seconds Sep 05 16:11:49 prototype it is! good to know Sep 05 16:13:13 bpadalino: all i know is, when i tried to avoid prototype, it made my life suck lol Sep 05 16:13:24 bpadalino: btw, what the heck are you doing in userland? :D Sep 05 16:13:25 understandable.. thanks for the insight Sep 05 16:13:45 node.js looked interesting to me Sep 05 16:15:34 bpadalino: it is super interesting.. so much is being abstracted to the js layer of things.. it's pretty amazing imo Sep 05 16:16:06 the advances of making js run fast are the real good parts .. the event loop and async IO stuff with callbacks are great too Sep 05 16:51:46 hi al Sep 05 16:52:18 what about selectibg multiple images? is there still no chance? Sep 05 17:08:10 hallo noaxess Sep 05 17:16:46 hmm Sep 05 17:16:51 hrm hmm harm Sep 05 17:18:11 what's everyone up to? Sep 05 17:18:28 webOS development Sep 05 17:18:52 searching an app/patch to multi select images, messages, contacts.. Sep 05 17:19:03 playing with YQL and having problems Sep 05 17:22:38 noaxess_kubuntu: as far as I am aware, no such thing exists? Sep 05 17:23:00 swisstomcat: why working with YQL? Flickr or something? Sep 05 17:23:03 hm... we need to creat one... Sep 05 17:23:08 Anivrom: how's it going? Sep 05 17:23:13 it exists in the minds of the people. Sep 05 17:23:24 It is up to us developers to actualize that idea Sep 05 17:23:29 alexfner: YQL to get some data from a rss feed (feedburner) Sep 05 17:23:29 noaxess_kubuntu: I don't know that we can, it's an issue of giving apps access to stuff they haven't asked for access too Sep 05 17:23:30 we have the technology Sep 05 17:23:34 eg. if you want create a photo album an put multiple images at once Sep 05 17:25:16 or maybe selecting multiple contacts... Sep 05 17:25:34 alexfner: hewohw Sep 05 17:26:17 so I says to mable I says Sep 05 17:26:44 Anivrom: you're not making any sense! Get that Canadian goose out of here! Sep 05 17:26:55 nevar Sep 05 17:27:39 "Rick Rubin to produce Britney Spears new album, since she looks 70. It will be a raw, and emotional acoustic versions of '80s McDonalds jingles." Sep 05 17:28:36 haha Sep 05 17:33:33 haha Sep 05 17:39:25 ugh, somewhere water is leaking under my floor Sep 05 17:41:26 MAybe you should have used to washroom... Sep 05 17:41:29 thats nasty Sep 05 17:41:40 used the* Sep 05 17:47:26 * halfhalo sues everyone Sep 05 17:51:38 you guys like HAM radio/emergency scanners? Sep 05 17:51:59 how could we not? Sep 05 17:52:09 meh, I never got into it :D Sep 05 17:52:14 but, I have this app here.... Sep 05 17:52:24 anybody want to beta test it real quick? Sep 05 17:52:29 your app? Sep 05 17:52:34 yep Sep 05 17:52:42 probably won't work in europe? Sep 05 17:52:46 it will Sep 05 17:52:47 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8qYd4Os0jM warning, some scarring may occur Sep 05 17:52:50 it's straming mp3 Sep 05 17:52:56 streaming Sep 05 17:53:10 it's a player for the streams on radioreference.com Sep 05 17:53:20 so not all areas are covered, but there are some European ones Sep 05 17:53:21 ayeeeee Sep 05 17:53:31 my eyes hurt, anivrom Sep 05 17:53:40 <3 just for you swiss Sep 05 17:53:56 grrrr Sep 05 17:54:03 Angry car looks angry Sep 05 17:54:42 * halfhalo looks at a golf gti parked in front of his house Sep 05 17:54:53 * halfhalo notes how small it looks Sep 05 17:55:15 * halfhalo goes to hug his suv Sep 05 17:56:03 * haeffb having issues with .png on a palm-menu-icon Sep 05 17:56:04 * halfhalo then notices the MASSIVE volvo parked next to his suv which makes it look like a midget car Sep 05 17:56:51 * halfhalo is waiting till he comes home from his grandmothers birthday to clean his cars headlights Sep 05 17:56:52 haeffb: what issue? Sep 05 17:57:04 * halfhalo hasn't done webos programming in YEARS Sep 05 17:57:11 halfhalo: how old? Sep 05 17:57:13 like the bottom third of the .png is cut off. Sep 05 17:57:20 too tall Sep 05 17:57:22 * halfhalo dunnos Sep 05 17:57:24 and it's reproduced to the right of the button Sep 05 17:57:26 lol Sep 05 17:57:29 they like to be 32px Sep 05 17:57:31 32x64... Sep 05 17:57:42 copied from stock palm icon Sep 05 17:57:45 & modified Sep 05 17:57:52 haeffb: that's an odd issue Sep 05 17:58:05 do you change any of the css when you add your custom icon? Sep 05 17:58:24 .palm-menu-icon.subtask { background-image: url(../images/icon-subtask-32x32.png); } Sep 05 17:58:28 are you making your own menu-icon-looking button or is this for a real command menu? Sep 05 17:58:42 just like I do for the icons above and below it, which work fine. Sep 05 17:58:48 command menu Sep 05 17:58:50 hmm, odd Sep 05 17:59:03 yeah, odd Sep 05 17:59:04 haeffb: adding subtasks to done! ? Sep 05 17:59:07 yes Sep 05 17:59:09 hmmm, that is strange Sep 05 17:59:20 you should let people that don't pay for pro use them :) (locally) Sep 05 17:59:20 * oil suggests retreat Sep 05 17:59:27 * halfhalo looks at ferarri down the street and wants to hit it with a hammer Sep 05 18:00:39 * swisstomcat remembers that movie Sep 05 18:00:50 oh no, it was a corvette there Sep 05 18:00:54 BAHAHAHAHAHA: http://forum.notebookreview.com/sony/515691-smashing-my-new-sony-vaio-p11z9e.html Sep 05 18:01:02 * halfhalo likes the corvette on the street Sep 05 18:01:15 * halfhalo doesn't like the ferarris. Their not tuned right Sep 05 18:02:06 register to see pics ftl Sep 05 18:02:19 i used to have this car (in the front): http://www.joe-ks.com/archives_sep2008/SmartCarPlain.jpg Sep 05 18:02:27 Derderder..... Sep 05 18:02:34 stupid users attaching images Sep 05 18:02:56 OH GOD MY EYES THEY BURN Sep 05 18:03:33 hehe Sep 05 18:03:55 http://www.auto4fans.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/2012-ford-boss-302-mustang.jpg Sep 05 18:03:57 * halfhalo droools Sep 05 18:04:07 not bad Sep 05 18:04:21 not a fan of the green, but besides that, love the car Sep 05 18:04:53 * halfhalo is weird in that he is the only one of his friends that wants an american car Sep 05 18:04:55 better: http://www.dodgeautosinfo.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/Dodge-Challenger-1.jpeg Sep 05 18:05:26 Ehhh... the challenger really has been stagnant for a few years Sep 05 18:05:43 same with the charger Sep 05 18:06:19 hallo phb Sep 05 18:06:50 hey Sep 05 18:06:56 get a mustang Sep 05 18:06:59 solution Sep 05 18:07:03 * halfhalo does have a soft spot for the jaguar xf supercharged Sep 05 18:07:14 halfhalo: do you have a softspot for 110k? Sep 05 18:07:15 I was watching Mecum auto auction last night and there was a 2008 Challenger that went for around $47K Sep 05 18:07:20 yes, yes I do Sep 05 18:07:29 * oil couldn't care less about cars Sep 05 18:07:35 we know Sep 05 18:07:42 :p Sep 05 18:07:48 http://www.dragtimes.com/Buick-Grand-National-Timeslip-15965.html Sep 05 18:07:52 friend has that car Sep 05 18:07:52 neither does my family Sep 05 18:07:57 command menu button: http://img824.imageshack.us/i/capturejs.png/ Sep 05 18:08:06 the grand national Sep 05 18:08:10 although my uncle drives a 2007 super snake as his police car Sep 05 18:09:11 oil: *High fives* Sep 05 18:09:36 icon: http://img94.imageshack.us/i/iconsubtask32x32.png/ Sep 05 18:10:56 * oil buys print Sep 05 18:11:07 * alexfner prints ads Sep 05 18:11:26 how local mom makes $77 an hour? Sep 05 18:12:27 hah Sep 05 18:12:29 http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/ab74f7e3b4/best-price-is-right-contestant-ever-from-that-happened?rel=player Sep 05 18:12:39 I think she's fixing icons at home. Sep 05 18:17:30 webos doesn't like .palm-menu-icon.subtask Sep 05 18:17:35 .sub-task works Sep 05 18:17:53 go figger Sep 05 18:18:00 hmmm Sep 05 18:18:21 I was actually messing with them last night to make my own command-look buttons Sep 05 18:20:09 I made one for play/pause buttons using mini-player-icon-play/pause and .palm-menu-icon.play Sep 05 18:24:28 argg, lists + drawers + lists in drawers = pain in butt Sep 05 18:25:13 bbl Sep 05 18:25:47 no drawers in lists + lists in drawers = pain. Sep 05 18:26:52 I shunned Drawers after messing with them one week Sep 05 18:28:00 http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1932&Itemid=310 Either blind or there is no information regarding my problem here: I want to change the value of a TextField widget. Not a hinttext, but the value as if a user would've written it Sep 05 18:28:20 Not sure if I can do that, but I wanted to ask just in case Sep 05 18:28:33 sure you can Sep 05 18:28:49 change he model.valu and call modelChanged Sep 05 18:29:17 Oh =) sweet, thanks Sep 05 18:29:21 np Sep 05 18:40:35 sugardave: Did some trial and error and failed. Could you point me in the right direction? Sep 05 18:40:59 Tried sending one with Mojo.Event.send Sep 05 18:42:17 eml: so if you use the example objects on the TextWidget page...at the spot you want to change the value, you do something like this: Sep 05 18:42:45 this.model.value = "The New Thing"; this.controller.modelChanged(this.model); Sep 05 18:43:02 ...argg so I can't seem to set up lists based on different widget id's for each list item. Sep 05 18:43:02 and it should update the text widget Sep 05 18:43:17 Tibfib: how come? Sep 05 18:43:31 Error: Error: Caught exception in List widget 'pr02-list' setup(): TypeError: Cannot read property 'length' of object, palmInitFramework355:2535 Sep 05 18:44:09 wait Sep 05 18:44:10 Tibfib: are these lists in lists? Sep 05 18:44:12 nevermind for a second Sep 05 18:44:15 k Sep 05 18:46:55 okay, nevermind to my nevermind. I was saying the model was the items (not model.items) Sep 05 18:47:16 still gives me the same errors Sep 05 18:47:18 wait. are we supposed to mind or not? Sep 05 18:47:42 you are supposed to mind. Sep 05 18:47:55 https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=8638 Sep 05 18:48:19 saw that Sep 05 18:48:23 I'm going a level deeper Sep 05 18:48:31 a list of drawers, with lists in the drawers Sep 05 18:48:36 yeah. Sep 05 18:48:40 weird. Sep 05 18:49:06 Tibfib: it sucks, don't do it Sep 05 18:49:24 it is a good ui, I want to do it Sep 05 18:49:43 this seems familiar...I had to bail on one of the list/drawer/list or drawer/list/drawer combos Sep 05 18:49:44 running this http://webos.pastebin.com/ybTrBYfj after the list setup throws those errors Sep 05 18:49:54 get it working and I'll add it to done for subtasks... :) Sep 05 18:50:02 haha Sep 05 18:50:43 hah Sep 05 18:50:54 I think the reason the drawers work is because they don't requre a widget setup Sep 05 18:51:02 Tibfib: the only place you have length is going into the loop...and that's the main list, is it broken? Sep 05 18:51:07 instantiateChildWidgets ? Sep 05 18:51:23 sugardave: I don't believe so Sep 05 18:51:27 the list works fine Sep 05 18:51:35 oh, setupWidget is throwing the error Sep 05 18:52:53 jsonlint tells me my list is valid Sep 05 18:53:27 * Tibfib looks into instantiateChildWidgets Sep 05 18:53:46 you normally call that after setupWidget if you need it Sep 05 18:54:22 I've never used it before, is it a scene method? Sep 05 18:54:49 yeah Sep 05 18:54:53 this.controller.instan.... Sep 05 18:55:14 looks like it's not documented Sep 05 18:55:20 http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1610 Sep 05 18:55:38 >.< Sep 05 18:55:42 that wasn't in the docs docs Sep 05 18:55:46 heh Sep 05 18:56:17 do I pass something to instantia...... Sep 05 18:56:31 I usually pass document Sep 05 18:56:38 okay, I'll try that Sep 05 18:56:40 though I THINK it's any parent element where the widget is Sep 05 18:57:25 oh, I see what it does... let me think it it'll help me Sep 05 18:58:06 no. I don't believe so Sep 05 18:58:21 i used it when i added buttons to my list after setting it up Sep 05 18:58:21 "If using a list widget, widgets inside the itemTemplate are automatically instantiated. You can set them up by using their name attribute, causing their models to be the same as the list model." Sep 05 18:58:45 I don't want the model to be the same... :/ Sep 05 18:59:15 that's what I need, but subsituting a property of the list item to be the sublist's model Sep 05 18:59:54 you have to cheat Sep 05 19:00:11 and make a "sub-items" object or something Sep 05 19:00:15 I tried that. I get caught Sep 05 19:03:01 http://webos.pastebin.com/ybTrBYfj Sep 05 19:04:04 I saw that one already Sep 05 19:04:16 that's me cheating. Sep 05 19:04:19 ah Sep 05 19:04:21 :D Sep 05 19:04:26 were you thinking of another way? Sep 05 19:04:46 yeah Sep 05 19:05:04 you can setupWidget on the sublist, but can't have a model Sep 05 19:05:33 listModel = { items: [regular list], 'subitems': [inner list items]} Sep 05 19:05:35 but the problem Sep 05 19:05:40 use an attribute to set itemsProperty Sep 05 19:05:52 is that you have to calculate subitems array in your loop, then update the new sublist's items Sep 05 19:05:58 it's crappy Sep 05 19:06:07 haeffb's way sounds better Sep 05 19:06:13 haeffb: nice! Sep 05 19:06:18 that might be it. Sep 05 19:07:10 listModel = {items: [ {item1data... subitems: [ ]}, [item2data... subitems: [ ]} }; Sep 05 19:08:13 wait so do I put the itemsProperty in the innerlist attributes or the main list? Sep 05 19:08:19 OH Sep 05 19:08:22 okay, I see Sep 05 19:09:55 but wouldn't it have to be: listModel = {items: [ {item1data...}, [item2data...}], subitems: [] }; Sep 05 19:11:28 or could I say items.subitems for the itemsProperty? or something like that? Sep 05 19:12:30 no, my way. Sep 05 19:12:57 itemsProperty: subitems in setupWidget for EACH sublist Sep 05 19:13:38 and EACH main list item needs a subitems property Sep 05 19:14:00 sublists have dynamic names? Sep 05 19:14:09 should have* Sep 05 19:14:15 I dunno how you're setting them up. Sep 05 19:14:24 or dynamic id's Sep 05 19:14:31 but they have to be unique Sep 05 19:14:36 id's, that is Sep 05 19:15:24 I could use name, or do dynamic id's Sep 05 19:15:56 it worked! Sep 05 19:16:00 i think so Sep 05 19:16:24 with name u only have to setupWidget once for the sublists ? Sep 05 19:16:34 with id u have to do it for each one. Sep 05 19:17:07 went with name and it worked Sep 05 19:17:22 nice! thanks haeffb and sugardave Sep 05 19:17:33 no prob Sep 05 19:17:41 hah, nda's are tough: http://twitter.com/chofter/status/23082085964 Sep 05 19:18:19 wait... did palm announce that? Sep 05 19:18:25 they did html5 stuff Sep 05 19:20:17 Tibfib: http://www.webos101.com would be a good place to document what you did... :) Sep 05 19:20:25 haeffb: definitely will Sep 05 19:21:03 that was some crazy mojo magic Sep 05 19:21:15 Mojo is magic Sep 05 19:21:51 tibfib: yeah, that one seems border-line Sep 05 19:29:35 brilliant. this app is kinda slick :) Sep 05 19:34:45 hi Sep 05 19:36:55 <_azdak> hey yall Sep 05 19:37:20 <_azdak> anybody around done a lot of dashboard apps? Sep 05 19:39:51 not really Sep 05 19:39:55 haeffb? Sep 05 19:40:06 I think a few of us have done a few dashboard apps Sep 05 19:40:38 <_azdak> I'm trying to figure out some scope stuff Sep 05 19:40:39 a couple Sep 05 19:40:53 * oil has dabbled Sep 05 19:41:14 <_azdak> I've got an ajax call that I want to be callable from both dashboard and card stage Sep 05 19:41:15 Tibfib: I wanna see it Sep 05 19:41:25 haeffb: the app or code? Sep 05 19:41:30 the app. Sep 05 19:41:35 and the code :) Sep 05 19:41:42 mmkay Sep 05 19:41:53 <_azdak> and I'm having trouble figuring out where to put it/ how to reference it Sep 05 19:42:10 does SDL_mixer plays OGG files? Sep 05 19:42:14 -s Sep 05 19:42:18 _azdak: I would put it in a separate .js file and include in sources.json Sep 05 19:42:20 _azdak: I use a global .js file to do my stuff Sep 05 19:42:25 lol Sep 05 19:42:30 first! Sep 05 19:42:35 haeffb: I'll send you an email in a few minutes Sep 05 19:42:40 cool Sep 05 19:43:23 <_azdak> so I should be able to throw in an ajax-assistant.js (or whatever) Sep 05 19:43:25 I need a single word for "make this task no longer be a subtask" Sep 05 19:43:35 _azdak: yes Sep 05 19:43:37 <_azdak> and then call AjaxAssistant.send() or whathave you? Sep 05 19:43:47 well.. Sep 05 19:44:00 <_azdak> it's the scope that's confusing me Sep 05 19:44:12 here's an example: Sep 05 19:44:14 haeffb: makethistaskitsowntask Sep 05 19:44:39 subtask Sep 05 19:45:06 http://www.pastie.org/1140139 Sep 05 19:45:14 that is in a utils.js Sep 05 19:45:34 and I call utils.makeDueDate(...); Sep 05 19:46:00 makethissubtaskitsownsubtask ? Sep 05 19:46:16 <_azdak> ah I see Sep 05 19:46:41 <_azdak> gotta create the object Sep 05 19:47:01 <_azdak> the whole controller model was throwing me off Sep 05 19:47:15 <_azdak> Thanks a bundle Sep 05 19:47:33 _azdak: you will want to pass a callback from your sceneAssistant to the ajax stuff so that it can call the callback with your ajax results Sep 05 19:47:37 or you could do Global = ({send: function(){..dostuff}, do: function(){..dootherstuff}}) Sep 05 19:48:00 syntax might be a tad off, but you get the idea Sep 05 19:48:19 then if you want to call a function, just do Global.do() Sep 05 19:49:46 <_azdak> ok cool Sep 05 19:50:37 <_azdak> I'm still a little fuzzy what assistants get run & when Sep 05 19:50:43 <_azdak> but it's starting to make sense Sep 05 19:50:58 haeffb: "promote" Sep 05 19:51:21 not bad Sep 05 19:51:30 "unindent" ? Sep 05 19:51:39 un-sub Sep 05 19:51:43 dedent Sep 05 19:51:46 postdent Sep 05 19:52:00 outdent Sep 05 19:52:23 de-subify Sep 05 19:55:13 meeep Sep 05 20:06:53 <_azdak> OK- so I set up an ajax-assistant per the link Sep 05 20:07:09 <_azdak> but Mojo.Event.listen(this.controller.get('go_button'),Mojo.Event.tap, ajax.send.bind(this)); Sep 05 20:07:18 <_azdak> is throwing an undefined Sep 05 20:07:30 did you include it in sources.json? Sep 05 20:07:34 <_azdak> ya Sep 05 20:07:38 where? Sep 05 20:07:42 with the stage assistant? Sep 05 20:07:58 well app assistant Sep 05 20:08:42 <_azdak> http://www.pastie.org/1140191 Sep 05 20:09:00 yeah, that's it Sep 05 20:09:09 <_azdak> I honestly haven't the faintest idea how the json includes work hahahaha Sep 05 20:09:12 okay, did you say ajax = new Object Sep 05 20:09:20 <_azdak> yup Sep 05 20:09:24 hmmm Sep 05 20:12:04 <_azdak> ajax-assistant looks like: http://www.pastie.org/1140200 Sep 05 20:15:55 <_azdak> I'm calling the bind in MainAssistant.setup(), maybe a timing issue? Sep 05 20:16:39 doubt it Sep 05 20:17:19 Does anyone with a mac have an example buildit_for_device.sh and runit_sh for tiltodemo or another pdk app other than simple that I can look at? Sep 05 20:17:27 I dunno if this is proper syntax: this.sendContinue.bind(this).defer() Sep 05 20:17:54 although I don't think that's causing the current issue Sep 05 20:18:06 this.sendContinue.defer.bind(this) ? Sep 05 20:18:50 what is defer supposed to do, anyway? Sep 05 20:19:02 why are you even binding it, _azdak? Sep 05 20:19:05 that sounds very synchronous Sep 05 20:19:34 sugardave: waits until stack is empty to do the function, or something liek that Sep 05 20:19:34 oh noes Sep 05 20:21:25 <_azdak> , yeah that was it- the this.sendContinue.bind(this).defer() Sep 05 20:21:47 <_azdak> it's calling send(), it's messing up after that Sep 05 20:22:00 nice Sep 05 20:22:23 <_azdak> yup, should be able to finagle it now. thanx! Sep 05 20:24:04 no problem Sep 05 20:25:59 haeffb: sent, let me know if you think of a better place to access the bookmarks Sep 05 20:26:35 it now looks off with the arrows. Sep 05 20:50:29 Tibfib: nice. Sep 05 20:51:46 haeffb: thanks. it's a rewrite of the first app I ever wrote Sep 05 20:52:00 only took me a few hours sadly. original took weeks/months Sep 05 20:52:34 * oil has yet to rewrite his first app Sep 05 20:52:36 some rendering artifacts on scrolling in the chapters Sep 05 20:52:55 haeffb: can't control that... webview widget Sep 05 20:53:00 using emu? Sep 05 20:53:47 my first app is hideous Sep 05 20:54:01 it didn't use classes, instead used javascript new Sep 05 20:54:12 it wasn't very object oriented Sep 05 20:54:13 erm.. Sep 05 20:54:15 is what I am saying Sep 05 20:54:17 * Anivrom doesn't use classes Sep 05 20:54:23 neither does sugardave Sep 05 20:54:31 Anivrom: get with the program, and start using classes, you programmer! Sep 05 20:55:04 or else we're going to throw you off the boat Sep 05 20:55:04 i use objects, but not classes too Sep 05 20:55:15 everything in javascript is an object :) Sep 05 20:55:26 see... i'm totally in the flow Sep 05 20:55:30 hah Sep 05 20:55:36 teach me your ways joe! Sep 05 20:55:40 all for one Sep 05 20:55:59 one for all? Sep 05 20:56:19 Tibfib: yes Sep 05 20:56:35 haeffb: emu makes it look TERRIBLE, regular device isn't that bad Sep 05 20:57:08 * haeffb never used Class.Create() Sep 05 20:57:18 huzah Sep 05 20:57:22 start using class.create! Sep 05 20:57:30 no! I refuse! Sep 05 20:57:30 haven't you guys watched the dev video about the facebook app? Sep 05 20:57:35 nope Sep 05 20:57:48 * Anivrom tends to stay away from useful videos Sep 05 20:58:10 * alexfner slaps you all with a wet fish. Sep 05 20:58:29 * Anivrom fillets the fish and fries it up with tar tar sauce Sep 05 20:58:41 * haeffb takes a bite o' fried fish Sep 05 20:58:42 haeffb: have an idea where to put bookmarks command menu Sep 05 20:58:42 wow, you just cooked the whole fish Sep 05 20:58:46 didn't even remove the scales Sep 05 20:58:50 triple post ftw Sep 05 20:58:56 ... "fillets" Sep 05 20:59:04 oh Sep 05 20:59:06 didn't read Sep 05 20:59:08 phail Sep 05 20:59:17 well first thing in coding is to get the job done Sep 05 20:59:20 well you did a shitty job filleting, there were tons of bones Sep 05 20:59:23 fair enough is one of the top rules here Sep 05 20:59:30 I never gave you any Sep 05 20:59:32 How would you know Sep 05 20:59:36 Tibfib: the other side? Sep 05 21:00:02 haeffb: true, or I could put it as a list item below the how to? Sep 05 21:00:27 no, I'd leave it as a command menu Sep 05 21:00:35 okay, I'll just move it then Sep 05 21:01:29 srsly guise Sep 05 21:01:33 start using Class.Create Sep 05 21:01:37 it will make you more powerful Sep 05 21:01:48 and soon we can take over the world.... muhahaha muhahaha muhahaha! Sep 05 21:03:23 for those who havent seen, the new viral video is here. Sep 05 21:03:25 http://tvnz.co.nz/technology-news/barking-man-internet-hit-3465283 Sep 05 21:04:27 the video is a video of the video? Sep 05 21:11:46 oil: you're a video of a video of the video Sep 05 21:12:01 lol, its a youtube video of like msn video or something Sep 05 21:20:03 I love the videos where people record their tv screen from their shake handheld camera, and they're sitting to the side of the tv. Sep 05 21:21:27 how to rename the "Delete" button label in swipe-to-delete? Sep 05 21:22:07 * oil wishes he knew Sep 05 21:22:21 ive looked, i dont think its possible without rolling your own swipe code Sep 05 21:24:45 WebOS dev is done exclusively in web technologies right? that means you can't use libraries already available? (perl, for instance) Sep 05 21:25:16 well perl is usually based on c executables, so you could use the c code Sep 05 21:25:40 you could use any c/c++ libs already available Sep 05 21:25:51 for example, SOIL, chipmunk, to make a game Sep 05 21:26:00 and SDL and the PDK lib are all c/c++ Sep 05 21:26:05 makes sense? Sep 05 21:26:31 haeffb: I think you can do it by finding the class and editing it via javascript Sep 05 21:27:23 alexfner: so it'd have to be C code in order to have libraries? Sep 05 21:30:18 * sugardave uses OOP but not classical. Sep 05 21:34:51 haha ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OtFLnsPRxw Sep 05 21:37:19 summatusmentis: your programming language choices are c/c++, or web languages like html/css/javascript Sep 05 21:37:50 summatusmentis: With c/c++ you can include most any available c/c++ libraries on the web Sep 05 21:42:47 NODE NODE NODE JS! Sep 05 21:45:30 oh man Sep 05 21:45:33 I think my pre just died Sep 05 21:45:35 this would suck Sep 05 21:45:44 tomorrow is labor day Sep 05 21:45:50 no one is open at 5:45 on a sunday Sep 05 21:45:55 no one will be open tomorrow Sep 05 21:46:04 and I was just supposed to get an important phone call Sep 05 21:47:14 it didn't die, it just shut itself off and wouldn't turn back on until I removed the battery... maybe Sep 05 21:56:33 * Anivrom is eating a huge thick steak with some bullzeye sauce, soo good Sep 05 21:57:12 * haeffb shoots Anivrom for putting sauce on a steak again. Sep 05 21:57:31 * Anivrom puts extra sauce on just to spite haeffb Sep 05 22:00:52 can't use inspector on device? Sep 05 22:01:28 Anivrom: how do you look at DOM in aresDebug? Sep 05 22:01:29 harem? Sep 05 22:01:38 just type the var Sep 05 22:01:47 in the debug commandline Sep 05 22:01:49 no, I want to see the html Sep 05 22:01:57 yea Sep 05 22:02:15 this.controller.get("element") Sep 05 22:02:18 type that Sep 05 22:04:08 anyone have experience with fixedHeightItems Sep 05 22:04:21 list attribute Sep 05 22:04:36 initialAverageRowHeight as well Sep 05 22:05:34 the keypad ont he Pre stopped working. I really hope Palm new device is better quality Sep 05 22:12:21 haeffb: if you figure out how to change the delete text, drop me a line :) Sep 05 22:13:24 oil, will do. Sep 05 22:13:41 so when i recreate the main scene in wirc, i can do swipe-to-part :) Sep 05 22:13:44 n8 everyone Sep 05 22:14:17 night Sep 05 22:14:19 later Sep 05 22:17:56 so no one has experience with initialAverageRowHeight or fixedHeightItems for list attributes? Sep 05 22:18:02 * Anivrom looks at oil Sep 05 22:18:20 should i have? Sep 05 22:18:21 my experience is the more you mess with it the more of a mess it becomes :) Sep 05 22:18:50 I'm getting soem weird behaviour out of my lists because I change the min height in the css Sep 05 22:19:21 and when an item is tapped it offsets everything by a bit and the bg image gets offset by almost half Sep 05 22:20:30 yeah Sep 05 22:20:46 Anivrom: TypeError: Cannot call method 'get' of undefined Sep 05 22:21:08 the program has to be stopped via breakpoint haeffb Sep 05 22:21:09 so create your own list widgeet? Sep 05 22:21:23 that is very similar to the original, but betta Sep 05 22:21:38 I know what you're thinking, a lot of work Sep 05 22:21:48 true Sep 05 22:21:51 um that still wouldnt guarentee my probelm would be fixed. Sep 05 22:22:29 haeffb: worked? Sep 05 22:22:45 yes it would Sep 05 22:22:48 not yet. I had to add someplace to break Sep 05 22:22:52 it would be the one guarantee to rule them all Sep 05 22:23:22 haeffb: You can't use the debugger command line unless the app is stopped Sep 05 22:23:37 stopped/paused Sep 05 22:26:19 still not seeing what I want Sep 05 22:26:42 but you are seeing the dom correct? Sep 05 22:28:51 not going to work Sep 05 22:29:02 I have no way to break it while in process of swiping. Sep 05 22:29:18 oh Sep 05 22:29:31 Well why do you need to see it in the process? Sep 05 22:29:35 the dom will be the same wont it ? Sep 05 22:30:38 no, the swipe-container is added to the DOM when you're in the process of swiping Sep 05 22:30:51 and then removed when you stop swiping Sep 05 22:31:15 you can't put a breakpoint in the swipe code? Sep 05 22:31:26 there is no swipe code in the app Sep 05 22:31:32 that's in framework. Sep 05 22:31:36 I mean in the mojo.js code Sep 05 22:32:27 or w/e Sep 05 22:33:09 how do you get to that in debugger? Sep 05 22:33:35 load the script in wherever its being run locally right? Sep 05 22:33:38 * Anivrom is guessing Sep 05 22:33:57 I dont use the standalone and its a bit different than the Ares debugger Sep 05 22:34:02 with the loading of scripts and such Sep 05 22:34:37 I'm using the Ares debugger Sep 05 22:34:55 oh you're building a project in ares? or have imported it into ares? Sep 05 22:36:00 deleteTemplateName = "list/delete-item"; Sep 05 22:36:12 no, you can use ares debugger with any app Sep 05 22:36:25 I know you can, its called hte standalone ares debugger Sep 05 22:36:31 oh, ok Sep 05 22:36:33 nevermind Sep 05 22:36:35 its a little different than the built in one Sep 05 22:36:46 in that you have to specify the script you want to debug Sep 05 22:36:54 script/path/app Sep 05 22:37:54 If I were you I would make a copy of the .js file that runs the swipe code, import your project to ares (very easy) change the index.html source inclusion to point to your copied .js file with the swipe code you want to look at Sep 05 22:38:07 then just open it up in the real ares and breakpoint it Sep 05 22:38:24 copy the .js file into ares Sep 05 22:38:38 haeffb: see above Sep 05 22:39:11 * haeffb looking at listwidget code now. Sep 05 22:39:58 looks like Delete and Cancel are hard-coded into the template with no way to access them Sep 05 22:40:06 heh Sep 05 22:40:23 must have different template files for localization... ? Sep 05 22:40:40 one would think Sep 05 22:40:50 ask a german if his are translated Sep 05 22:40:57 template: Mojo.Widget.getSystemTemplatePath(deleteTemplateName) Sep 05 22:41:03 they're all asleep... :) Sep 05 22:41:43 * haeffb assumes Mojo.Widget.getSystemTemplatePath points to a localized template folder Sep 05 22:42:04 but you wouldnt' be able to override Sep 05 22:43:37 nope Sep 05 22:43:52 I could hack my phone and change it for all apps! Sep 05 22:43:58 but only on my phone. Sep 05 22:44:03 heh Sep 05 22:44:05 and not at all what I wanted to do Sep 05 22:44:09 sigh. Sep 05 22:44:19 what is your intended purpose? Sep 05 22:44:23 oil: looks unpossible Sep 05 22:44:35 to change "Delete" to "Something Else" Sep 05 22:44:41 right Sep 05 22:44:45 whats the something else Sep 05 22:45:06 "TheOneWordThatMeansMakeThisTaskNotBeASubtaskAnymore" Sep 05 22:45:39 hmmm I can't imagine that being intuitive to a swipe Sep 05 22:50:00 "Unleash" Sep 05 22:51:47 haeffb: ever find out how to change the delete item? Sep 05 22:52:07 Tibfib: I think he just comcluded you can't Sep 05 22:52:13 it uses a template Sep 05 22:52:13 I can't. Sep 05 22:52:21 someone else may be able to... Sep 05 22:52:49 Anivrom: in a parent task's details, I show subtasks in a list. swipe to delete from that list should "unsubtask" that subtask. Sep 05 22:52:58 look at C:\Program Files (x86)\Palm\SDK\share\refcode\webos-framework\335\templates\list\delete-item.html Sep 05 22:53:13 Tibfib: yes, Delete and Cancel are hardcoded Sep 05 22:53:18 in div's with no id Sep 05 22:53:19 Tibfib: wouldnt changing that chagne it for all apps Sep 05 22:53:33 haeffb: use this.controller.select to get the class Sep 05 22:53:46 and roll through them and change the interhtml when you find it Sep 05 22:54:22 Tibfib: the swipe-container is added dynamically when you start swiping Sep 05 22:54:39 so I can't access it thru app code Sep 05 22:54:55 hmm, you could hack together a flick listener. Sep 05 22:55:03 not worth it though Sep 05 22:55:12 would have to be flick and drag Sep 05 22:55:29 I think in my UI paradigm, "Delete" means "UnSubThisTask" Sep 05 22:55:35 haeffb: what are you trying to do? Sep 05 22:55:49 Anivrom: in a parent task's details, I show subtasks in a list. swipe to delete from that list should "unsubtask" that subtask. Sep 05 22:55:57 can you put a listener for "element was added"? Sep 05 22:56:01 I get it :P Sep 05 22:56:06 is that possible? Sep 05 22:56:32 haeffb: swipe to delete, deletes it? or just puts into the todo list as it's own task? Sep 05 22:57:00 really, it just removes the "parent" property from the subtask Sep 05 22:57:22 meh, I dislike that ui Sep 05 22:57:29 swipe to delete should actually delete it. Sep 05 22:57:37 It will in the main task list. Sep 05 22:57:48 And then have an "action" button or something that will un sub it Sep 05 22:58:28 I think unsubbing should be a separate button that maybe sits inside the row Sep 05 22:58:31 when you delete, just pop an alert that says "do you want to make this a new top-level task?" or something Sep 05 22:58:49 sugardave: then you're hiding a feature 1 layer down Sep 05 22:58:50 if they say no, just get rid of it completely, if yes then still "delete Sep 05 22:58:52 * haeffb considering options Sep 05 22:58:54 " it from the main list Sep 05 22:58:55 yeah, go for a button or sugardave's Sep 05 22:59:16 like the little i in tasks app Sep 05 22:59:26 I know that gets ride of precious text real estate though Sep 05 22:59:36 I already have all kinds of buttons/icons in each row. Sep 05 22:59:39 oh, I was thinking for sugardave's idea: have it be a banner notification: "tap to ..." Sep 05 22:59:40 yea Sep 05 23:00:18 haeffb: what about double tapping brings a confirmation box up asking to unsub or cancel Sep 05 23:00:35 users aren't going to know about that Sep 05 23:00:50 they wont know to "delete" the task to unsub it either Sep 05 23:01:00 yeah, I don't like that one either Sep 05 23:01:02 http://img29.imageshack.us/i/captureygk.png/ Sep 05 23:01:05 all you need is to do it once Sep 05 23:01:41 I think double tapping would be an efficient way to do it. no screen clutter Sep 05 23:01:46 haeffb: can you click on the sub task to show the task info? Sep 05 23:01:47 and they would only have to learn about it once Sep 05 23:02:08 don't know yet Sep 05 23:02:25 infact double tapping could open a custom dialog with a slew of options Sep 05 23:02:35 no double tapping Sep 05 23:02:38 haeffb: I'd go for just having it on the sub task details Sep 05 23:02:40 hold, though.... Sep 05 23:02:49 or, just have a popup submenu for the subtask on click Sep 05 23:02:53 yea hold would be good Sep 05 23:03:10 list selector Sep 05 23:04:02 tap on a subtask, submenu with... "Edit subtask" "Remove from Subtasks" ... Sep 05 23:04:20 spose that would work Sep 05 23:04:32 "edit ... ", "make top-level task", "delete" Sep 05 23:04:39 its 1 more click to the process although that might be a necessary evil Sep 05 23:04:54 the subtasks are in a drawer, btw. tapping on the "2 Subtasks" line opens/closes the drawer Sep 05 23:09:39 haeffb: did you get what I was working on working? Sep 05 23:09:51 drawers in lists with lists in drawers? Sep 05 23:09:57 which what? Sep 05 23:10:24 oh, no. I have a palm-list of with lists in drawers Sep 05 23:10:31 not a list of lists in drawers Sep 05 23:10:48 I see Sep 05 23:10:56 much simpler to implement Sep 05 23:11:37 oops left the iced tea in freezer for too long Sep 05 23:11:39 now its "iced" tea Sep 05 23:49:28 morning Sep 05 23:53:04 * haeffb don't like the submenu Sep 05 23:53:22 going with menu-icon-back.png icon Sep 06 00:02:13 rwhitby: morning Sep 06 00:15:27 Grr having scope issues Sep 06 00:15:44 lol Sep 06 00:15:47 i love google voice Sep 06 00:16:16 it does call screening where it asks the caller to say their name, and then when you pick up it says "you are receiving a call from:" Sep 06 00:16:28 so my friend calls me Sep 06 00:16:37 i pickup, it says "you are receiving a call from: what, huh?! Press 1 to accept Sep 06 00:17:20 Question: how do I reference an html element from my main scene (MainAssistant.prototype.animatePlusMinus) when I call the function from an external .js file Sep 06 00:17:54 Anivrom: you might be able to do it by passing this.controller or this Sep 06 00:18:17 is the main scene initialized? Sep 06 00:18:20 how would I pass this to my main scene from game.js lol Sep 06 00:18:27 alexfner: yes Sep 06 00:18:32 Anivrom: callBackFunc? Sep 06 00:18:49 * Anivrom doesn't get it Sep 06 00:18:55 * alexfner clearly! Sep 06 00:18:58 code Sep 06 00:19:00 show us teh code Sep 06 00:19:03 external.dothis(blah, blah, this.mainAssistantCallBackFunc.bind(this)) Sep 06 00:19:23 then in external dothis: function(arg1, arg2, callBackFunc) Sep 06 00:19:37 then call callBackFunc with your args whenever you want in the external function Sep 06 00:19:50 * Tibfib wonders if he was remotely close to what Anivrom was talking about Sep 06 00:19:57 negative Sep 06 00:20:09 then define yourself Sep 06 00:20:24 I think my solution is to create a var that refs main's this Sep 06 00:20:31 why can't you pass it? Sep 06 00:20:34 infact I think I already have one I just dont use it Sep 06 00:20:50 How can I pass it if I'm not calling it from main Sep 06 00:21:12 you could do Mojo.Controller.stageController.activeScene() Sep 06 00:21:21 which is the same as this Sep 06 00:21:28 (I think it's activeScene()) Sep 06 00:21:37 * Anivrom 's head implodes Sep 06 00:21:40 let me google that Sep 06 00:22:37 nah I think I'll just ref out "this" during setup of main scene Sep 06 00:22:58 and yea I already do that Sep 06 00:23:04 lol I just never used the var Sep 06 00:23:30 ... you're just wasting a var Sep 06 00:23:38 How so? Sep 06 00:23:51 What if main isnt the active scene Sep 06 00:23:56 I mean, you are using one when you don't need one. Sep 06 00:24:01 I know what you meant Sep 06 00:24:12 why would you change an element of the main scene if it isn't active? Sep 06 00:24:36 Cause I'm bass ackwards like that? Sep 06 00:24:55 * Tibfib gives up Sep 06 00:25:02 Anivrom: :P Sep 06 00:25:07 It's better to precache in game programming anyways :P Sep 06 00:31:01 .plusminusAnimate{opacity: 0; -webkit-transition: opacity top 1s linear;} somehow I doubt this is working Sep 06 00:31:07 Since it's not :P Sep 06 00:36:12 hurray for random modem restarts Sep 06 00:36:31 canadian modems, can't trust em Sep 06 00:47:47 ... Sep 06 00:47:57 znc half went down today... Sep 06 00:48:46 well, it went down for me but not my testing bot... Sep 06 00:49:35 * halfhalo cries Sep 06 00:57:56 anyone know which types of touch events webOS supports outside of mojo? Sep 06 00:58:04 i.e. webkit touch events Sep 06 00:58:23 there's some mouse events that work differently than tap etfc Sep 06 00:58:24 etc Sep 06 00:58:50 that didn't make any sense Sep 06 00:58:58 Read it again Sep 06 00:59:30 tap = touch event Sep 06 00:59:42 yeah, and you talked about mouse events Sep 06 00:59:50 so that confused me, cause I asked about tap = touch Sep 06 00:59:52 Yeah, mouse events within webos Sep 06 01:00:04 yeah, you noted how mouse events work differently than tap/touch events Sep 06 01:00:26 which doesn't answer my question about which touch events webOS supports Sep 06 01:00:48 It does, I just gave you a few touch events that you might not have heard of Sep 06 01:00:54 I just realized that critical mass has no reason to use Mojo if I can just use html5 Sep 06 01:00:56 You never stated what you needed the events for Sep 06 01:01:07 So I assumed anything different would be a good thing Sep 06 01:01:09 :) Sep 06 01:01:09 you're saying that webOS interprets touch events as mouse events? Sep 06 01:01:33 now, mojo.cookie automatically backs up to one's palm profile? Sep 06 01:01:35 is that correct? Sep 06 01:02:06 si Sep 06 01:02:46 so if I use regular old html cookie storage, we don't have any backup...? Sep 06 01:02:54 no idea Sep 06 01:02:59 I wonder how much my users care if they can have a faster load time? Sep 06 01:03:05 lmfao there's a moth in the apt and my cat is chasing it EVERYWHERE Sep 06 01:03:19 it's also not clear how to set screen orientation Sep 06 01:03:23 without mojo Sep 06 01:12:57 Um Sep 06 01:13:04 I doubt you can do anything without mojo O_o Sep 06 01:13:40 in sdk* Sep 06 01:27:24 Anivrom: what does that even mean? Sep 06 01:27:27 you can do a lot Sep 06 01:27:45 I just need a few specific things, and if I can do them with html, I don't have to worry about loading mojo Sep 06 01:28:03 example of things you can do without mojo? Sep 06 01:28:09 just curious Sep 06 01:34:42 you can still draw html elements Sep 06 01:34:50 still draw anything available in html, js or css Sep 06 01:34:54 just can't use mjo stuff Sep 06 01:46:33 Anivrom: fair nuff? Sep 06 01:46:39 indeed Sep 06 01:46:55 Just dont know how well that would work for anything more than a basic app :P Sep 06 01:46:59 hmmm, is the music remix 2.0 dude allowed to publish his app as closed source? Sep 06 01:47:15 considering he used the regular music app which is open source Sep 06 01:47:23 yea he can't Sep 06 01:47:39 * Tibfib wonders who will be the first to tell him Sep 06 01:47:48 * Anivrom nominates tibfib Sep 06 01:47:57 * Tibfib saw that coming Sep 06 01:48:04 * Anivrom lol's Sep 06 01:48:44 Tibfib: actually, the original Palm music app is not open source Sep 06 01:48:45 I'm not experienced in the matters of open source, someone who knows what they are talking about should tell him Sep 06 01:48:49 rwhitby: it's in the sdk Sep 06 01:48:58 yes, but not Open Source Sep 06 01:49:16 ........ Sep 06 01:49:17 Palm webOS core application source code has been included in this directory and is licensed to you pursuant to the terms and conditions set out in the PALM SOFTWARE DEVELOPMENT KIT LICENSE AGREEMENT. Sep 06 01:49:20 thats oxymorionic Sep 06 01:49:21 that's not open source? Sep 06 01:49:28 correct Sep 06 01:49:51 oh, well shucks. I wanted to check out the source and stuff. Sep 06 01:50:02 and help with it. Sep 06 01:50:06 closed source FTL Sep 06 01:50:07 They are allowing us to edit the code, wouldnt that mean open source? Sep 06 01:50:31 shared source and open source are different .. Sep 06 01:50:38 just because you can see it doesn't mean you have the right to distribute it Sep 06 01:50:39 Interesting Sep 06 01:50:59 well wouldnt the hb community be commiting criminal offences then? Sep 06 01:51:01 yeah, but palm gives us the right to use their code, right? Sep 06 01:51:05 Palm's SDK code has a restriction on use, it can only be used for webOS devices. Sep 06 01:51:08 So it does not comply with the Open Source definition. Sep 06 01:51:14 oh, okay Sep 06 01:51:15 Oh I see Sep 06 01:51:36 so that means he doesn't have to publish his work off of the music app? Sep 06 01:52:03 And their license agreement does not require any derivative work to distribute source code, it only requires that derivative works can only be for webOS devices. Sep 06 01:52:17 ah, gotcha Sep 06 01:52:22 .plusminusAnimate{-webkit-transition: opacity top 0.5s linear;} why willi t not accept this as a valid class..... Sep 06 01:53:03 of course, you can use a moral argument to try and convince him to provide source code, but it's a moral argument, not a legal one. Sep 06 01:53:03 I don't know how they want us to edit multiple style attributes at the same time Sep 06 01:53:17 has anyone had the problem with RadioButton widgets where if you set the value during instantiation it screws up the sizing? Sep 06 01:53:28 maik: pastie Sep 06 01:53:29 and BTW, no WebOS Internals source code is derived from Palm source code. Sep 06 01:53:37 Tibfib? Sep 06 01:53:38 maik: I've had problems with sizing on radio buttons no matter what I do Sep 06 01:53:51 maik: never had that issue, pastebin it and let's seee Sep 06 01:54:00 oh, apparently it's common Sep 06 01:54:05 although I stopped using radio buttons a long time ago Sep 06 01:54:05 yea Sep 06 01:54:15 it's normal instantiation, where you put value: in the model Sep 06 01:54:16 then what is it derived from? Sep 06 01:54:28 except if you put value: in the model it doesn't go below a certain size Sep 06 01:54:42 i want mine to be pretty small, and it only works if i completely remove value: from the model definition Sep 06 01:54:42 rwhitby: yeah.... there's no way you figured out everything with the docs :) Sep 06 01:54:47 You looked at the threads miak? Sep 06 01:54:55 they didnt help me Sep 06 01:55:28 i tried setting model.value and modelChanged during activate (instead of instantiation in setup), but it gives the same behavior Sep 06 01:55:56 i looked and think i may ahve found something, but i wanted to ask in here to see if anyone had a better answer Sep 06 01:57:05 http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=7520 Sep 06 01:57:34 the last two or three posts in that thread looked promising, trying one now Sep 06 01:57:53 .palm-radiobutton.two div { Sep 06 01:57:53 width: auto; Sep 06 01:57:53 } Sep 06 01:58:05 .three for 3-button radiobutton, etc Sep 06 01:58:32 alexfner: "derived from" is a specific term in copyright. you can look at something, work out how it works, and write something that is interoperable with it, without being derived from it. Sep 06 01:59:15 :) Sep 06 01:59:26 so what is webos-internals primary role now Sep 06 01:59:30 with the PDK out Sep 06 01:59:34 sweet, that fixed it exactly Sep 06 01:59:58 cause I saw that you guys had made your own pdk until palm's came out Sep 06 02:00:59 I'd say overclockign the crap outta our pre's is a major department :P Sep 06 02:01:19 yeah, I guess a lot of this is in flux because of 2.0 though Sep 06 02:01:31 so it'll be interesting to see what we can talk about once 2.0 has been reached Sep 06 02:01:35 I'll hold my questions until then Sep 06 02:04:30 when do you think 2.0 will be out? Sep 06 02:04:44 my guess is mid november Sep 06 02:04:52 i wish they would add a way to minimize apps instead of having them fill out the screen Sep 06 02:05:11 what do you want to minimize ? Sep 06 02:06:27 like Im programs for eg Sep 06 02:07:05 oh... well dashboards can do that Sep 06 02:07:10 it's up to devs to use them Sep 06 02:07:48 Palm does not allow certain programs to run in the background Sep 06 02:07:57 alexfner: there is always stuff under the hood which cannot be done with published APIs. That's where WebOS Internals lives Sep 06 02:08:01 I hope that change with 2.0 Sep 06 02:08:42 alexfner: for example, none of Preware, Save/Restore or Govnah can be done with the PDK. Sep 06 02:08:54 Deihmos: there's javascript services Sep 06 02:08:56 i am sure a new device will launch with 2.0 Sep 06 02:09:07 they all require additional capabilities which are not available in Palm's supported SDK or PDK APIs. Sep 06 02:09:08 i actually like the fact that most everything taking up cpu cycles is visible .. so i can toss it when i don't like it Sep 06 02:09:28 bpadalino: me too, I hate that about android Sep 06 02:09:34 among lots of other things Sep 06 02:09:42 * halfhalo has an archos tablet coming soon to work to play with Sep 06 02:10:03 I guess internals is just a way for the community to vote on new features Sep 06 02:10:05 minimize seems to exemplify the "out of sight, out of memory" ethos Sep 06 02:10:12 think of how many of those features have made it into webOS Sep 06 02:10:14 what i really don't like about android is the software Sep 06 02:10:15 a very decent number Sep 06 02:10:32 the email client is terrivle and the UI is ugly and not well designed Sep 06 02:10:44 i'm interested to see how many of the '2.0 features' featured on the beta page will actually come out in the first release .. Sep 06 02:10:49 webos is THE phone OS Sep 06 02:10:55 lets just wait for the world to realise that Sep 06 02:10:57 * Tibfib wants to make a gmail app Sep 06 02:11:02 make one Sep 06 02:11:13 bpadalino: I got stuck at parsing data Sep 06 02:11:22 I'll probably pick it back up sometime Sep 06 02:11:30 after experiencing android i don't understand how it took off like that Sep 06 02:11:34 although I'm just waiting for palm to make theirs suck less Sep 06 02:11:36 the software seems so dated Sep 06 02:11:58 it does not look modern like iphone os or webos Sep 06 02:12:01 terrible hardware doesn't help palms case .. Sep 06 02:12:03 palm's email application is really decent Sep 06 02:12:09 now I don't see a need to write a different one Sep 06 02:12:10 Deihmos: everytime my friend shows me something on his android phone it looks/feels like he's using windows 3.1, no lie Sep 06 02:12:13 alexfner: not for gmail Sep 06 02:12:13 lots of my friends with pres have had at least 4 Sep 06 02:12:22 * Tibfib is on 3rd Sep 06 02:12:25 well it doesn't support threaded messaging and stuff Sep 06 02:12:31 or archiving. Sep 06 02:12:32 Anivrom, that is the same way I felt Sep 06 02:12:47 Tibfib: but what I've heard is that writing a node service for gmail would be a pain, so it's staying C Sep 06 02:12:53 and that's all rumor Sep 06 02:12:54 from me Sep 06 02:13:00 so enjoy that Sep 06 02:13:02 while it lasts Sep 06 02:13:06 he shows me this "killer app" which turned out to be a digging game with web flashgame graphics Sep 06 02:13:07 alexfner: it would be hard for palm to do? Sep 06 02:13:11 if i first got an android phone it wouldn't matter but after using webos it looks so ugly Sep 06 02:13:25 Tibfib: it's just much easier and more natural to write in c/c++ Sep 06 02:13:39 oh, got it Sep 06 02:14:01 alexfner: why does that matter? Sep 06 02:14:35 * Anivrom can't figure out why this code isnt working!!!! Sep 06 02:14:49 I bet dekan would have some ideas... Sep 06 02:15:11 Tibfib: just saying, if you're going to write a gmail client, it might be a lot harder than just fighting palm in a battle of fisticuffs Sep 06 02:15:27 to make one* Sep 06 02:16:08 yeah, I'm probably not going to do it, just want to Sep 06 02:16:21 http://pastebin.com/DZu5G6Le Sep 06 02:16:26 Anyone have any ideas? Sep 06 02:16:46 anyone have any ideas why my speakers change volume by themselves between two levels Sep 06 02:16:51 they drop down sporadically Sep 06 02:16:54 then fall back up Sep 06 02:17:03 is .className a usable property? Sep 06 02:17:09 Yes Sep 06 02:17:14 I use it all the time Sep 06 02:17:14 * Tibfib tucks that into his brain Sep 06 02:17:39 would trying to add the opacity bit via javascript be messing it up? Sep 06 02:17:55 Technically I want it to jump to 100% opacity instantly , then slowly fade out over 0.5 seconds Sep 06 02:18:01 and technically this shoudl work Sep 06 02:18:26 aniv Sep 06 02:18:31 are you trying to use addClassName ? Sep 06 02:18:37 is that what you intended to do? Sep 06 02:18:38 no, I can set the opacity fine if I take out the className = "" and set opacity to a random value Sep 06 02:18:43 no Sep 06 02:18:52 is the opacity working? Sep 06 02:18:55 is the animation working? Sep 06 02:18:59 Yes. Sep 06 02:19:12 Until I try and do fancy classname stuffs Sep 06 02:19:30 so both work? Sep 06 02:19:43 I need it to instantly go to 100% and then fade, but if I had the animation class on all the time, it will want to fade up to 100% Sep 06 02:20:14 I'm not sure what webkit-transition: all is Sep 06 02:20:20 heh Sep 06 02:20:24 not many ppl do Sep 06 02:20:40 kesne is all up in da mixzz Sep 06 02:20:57 MOSTLY, I just don't understand what you're trying to communicate Sep 06 02:21:04 what is supposed to happen, what doesn't happen? Sep 06 02:21:18 I dont think the third time will be any more clear then Sep 06 02:21:34 well I wasn't listening before Sep 06 02:21:40 then scroll up Sep 06 02:21:42 -_- Sep 06 02:21:49 it's like I'm speaking english and you're speaking canadian Sep 06 02:21:54 and we're just not getting one another Sep 06 02:22:09 yet I can understand rwhitby fine Sep 06 02:22:18 :D Sep 06 02:22:32 The reason you can't understand me is cause you dont know webkit transitions Sep 06 02:22:34 * halfhalo is looking at el cheapo cars for learning manual Sep 06 02:22:36 so dont worry about it Sep 06 02:22:50 * rwhitby doesn't speak canadian anyway Sep 06 02:22:50 hah, alrighty then Sep 06 02:22:57 :) Sep 06 02:23:11 I don't know webkit-transitions personally, but I do use them, and understand what they are Sep 06 02:23:28 but I don't understand what you're trying to communicate because you still haven't told me what you want to happen and what isn't happening Sep 06 02:23:36 yes I have you werent listening Sep 06 02:23:58 alright, no solution then Sep 06 02:24:04 I mean, we could solve this in about a minute Sep 06 02:24:12 if I could understand what you wanted to happen Sep 06 02:24:28 Tibfib> would trying to add the opacity bit via javascript be messing it up? Sep 06 02:24:29 Technically I want it to jump to 100% opacity instantly , then slowly fade out over 0.5 seconds Sep 06 02:24:40 I need it to instantly go to 100% and then fade, but if I had the animation class on all the time, it will want to fade up to 100% Sep 06 02:24:49 pasting what I wrote earlier Sep 06 02:24:56 Anivrom: show(), then do the transition? Sep 06 02:25:12 show puts opacity at 100%? Sep 06 02:25:23 no, but it uses display Sep 06 02:25:53 so aniv Sep 06 02:26:00 I'm going to give you some sexy code here, okay? Sep 06 02:26:05 guess I need to explain more, when you use webkit transitions the way I am, when you cahnge a value, no matter what it is, it will animate to that value Sep 06 02:26:09 I know I don't understand webkit transitions, but this will work, got me? Sep 06 02:27:02 if the value of opacity is 0, and i want it to get to 1, I can't simply put opacity 1. Sep 06 02:27:16 it will take 0.5 seconds to do so Sep 06 02:27:26 So I need to "turn off" the animation class then set the value to 1 Sep 06 02:27:33 then turn it back on so I can animate back down again Sep 06 02:27:59 Anivrom: try delaying stuff? Sep 06 02:28:01 Tibfib: thats why show wont work Sep 06 02:28:08 maybe it's happening too fast Sep 06 02:28:16 * Tibfib dunnos Sep 06 02:28:29 Anivrom: here you go Sep 06 02:28:29 Nah I tried turning up the transition speed Sep 06 02:28:54 * Anivrom waits Sep 06 02:29:12 down the transition speed* Sep 06 02:30:17 oh sorry Sep 06 02:30:54 .setStyle{'-webkit-transition': none}; .style.opacity = 1.0; Sep 06 02:32:44 Anivrom: http://pastebin.com/btvp1x4Q Sep 06 02:32:48 prolly more css than you need Sep 06 02:32:54 you were forgetting style, for sure Sep 06 02:32:59 but I just ditched that code Sep 06 02:33:03 Hi all! Sep 06 02:33:07 in favor of something that should work over and over again Sep 06 02:33:38 that has a capitalization error or two Sep 06 02:33:49 but I've given you what you need Sep 06 02:34:11 well technically I dont think this will work cause I need to animate a few more style attributes at the same time Sep 06 02:34:19 is there a way to handle the :active event of an element? Sep 06 02:34:21 oh, what else? Sep 06 02:34:29 you only requested opacity... Sep 06 02:34:44 was taking it one step at a time Sep 06 02:34:56 i'm using mousedown/mouseup currently, but if i press my button, then slide my finger up and release it, then mouseup event never fires Sep 06 02:35:01 well you could just make it webkit-transition: all instead of opacity Sep 06 02:35:05 see! Sep 06 02:35:07 I'm in a car headed towards Memphis... On IRC... On my phone. Crazy.... Sep 06 02:35:08 I know what it means! Sep 06 02:35:09 Hah! Sep 06 02:36:00 maik: I know you can do css for :active on anchors Sep 06 02:36:32 right, that's what i'm doing Sep 06 02:36:39 maik: add x-mojo-touch-feedback = "momentary" and then you can use the .selected class Sep 06 02:37:12 with :active and :visited and all that...I think order in stylesheet matters Sep 06 02:37:28 that's good to know, though i'm more worried about doing javascript on touch, and more when it's "released" Sep 06 02:37:40 it does Sep 06 02:37:51 a custom html element? Sep 06 02:37:59 maik: webos tends to fire tap events on mouseup sometimes Sep 06 02:38:08 if you're dragging Sep 06 02:38:59 atleast that's what i've found :P Sep 06 02:39:10 alexfner: ya. i'm copying the menu buttons because i want them placed somewhat arbitrarily Sep 06 02:39:31 actually, now i'm not so sure the placement is arbitrary. i might have to rethink this now Sep 06 02:39:39 * halfhalo eyes a el cheapo mini Sep 06 02:39:41 which menu, the upper left hand menu? Sep 06 02:39:53 no, the command view menu or whatever it is Sep 06 02:40:03 er command button Sep 06 02:40:05 s Sep 06 02:40:18 the button widget? Sep 06 02:40:20 I am confused Sep 06 02:40:24 man I get confused sometimes Sep 06 02:40:36 http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1638 Sep 06 02:40:37 those Sep 06 02:41:10 so you're making your own? Sep 06 02:41:22 add an event listener for a tap on the elements id? Sep 06 02:41:31 or you need something to happen on tapDown, tapUp? Sep 06 02:41:58 this.controller.get("buttonid"); Sep 06 02:42:26 then add an event listener for that? Sep 06 02:42:33 if you're going to try mouse events, they're really odd Sep 06 02:42:58 alexfner: oh thanks a lot, i think that should really help Sep 06 02:43:30 are you being sarcasmic? Sep 06 02:43:35 nope Sep 06 02:43:49 i didn't realize mouseup/down were wonky Sep 06 02:46:26 Does palm still offer discounted developer devices? Sep 06 02:46:54 CTLAdvance: http://www.palm.com/us/products/phones/developer-phones.html Sep 06 02:47:26 you're probably better off just buying it on a plan and paying an ETF Sep 06 02:47:40 alexfner: you sure there is a tapDown/tapUp event? Sep 06 02:47:47 no, there isn't Sep 06 02:47:55 gah we got lost in translation Sep 06 02:48:03 I was asking if you needed down and up events Sep 06 02:48:15 ya, i need up and down events Sep 06 02:48:50 maik: this is poorly documented for webOS Sep 06 02:48:53 i could always add a document.mouseUp to mute the sounds that could be playing Sep 06 02:48:57 it's largely up to your experimentation Sep 06 02:49:15 but I think that if it throws a mouseup, it's completely artificial Sep 06 02:49:28 like, it just throws it after mousedown and mouseover Sep 06 02:49:36 and mousemove* Sep 06 02:49:38 ah Sep 06 02:49:55 and doesn't wait for the actual event Sep 06 02:52:12 sigh :/ Sep 06 02:52:19 that;s why we need touchevent support :) Sep 06 02:54:51 btw alexfner your magic code doesn't work. Sep 06 02:55:18 yeah cause I made an error Sep 06 02:55:22 did you fix the error? Sep 06 02:55:33 yessir. Sep 06 02:56:07 You changed wktdown to wktUp? Sep 06 02:56:24 I can't remember what I did Sep 06 02:56:44 http://pastebin.com/MDLUJJ1v Sep 06 02:56:48 that should work Sep 06 02:56:52 if it doesn't, I suck Sep 06 02:56:53 bpadalino - thanks Sep 06 02:56:57 hail to thee! Sep 06 02:57:00 ill probably just buy a used one Sep 06 02:57:03 no problemo Sep 06 02:57:10 yeah, that's the cheapest option Sep 06 02:57:13 just wondering on a price Sep 06 02:57:28 au revoir Sep 06 02:57:33 pixi plus seems like $150 on ebay Sep 06 02:57:36 I have too many lines already so cant get anything else Sep 06 02:57:40 yeah Sep 06 02:58:02 I have several pres Sep 06 02:58:12 need a pixi Sep 06 02:58:28 craigslist is a good place too Sep 06 02:58:31 I can get a pixi on sprint for less than 100 with clean esn Sep 06 02:58:33 yep Sep 06 02:59:25 Palm Pre and Pixi are going for next to nothing right now Sep 06 02:59:39 especially now the evo and epic are out peopel are switching Sep 06 02:59:40 alexfner: indeed it doesn't work **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Sep 06 02:59:57 2010