**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Sep 09 02:59:57 2010 Sep 09 03:00:00 real balsamic is 'spensif Sep 09 03:03:39 GC can go die in a fire while I pour lots of gasoline on it Sep 09 03:04:50 GC is the only reason webOS exists Sep 09 03:05:36 you should be thanking palm for not using IE8s javascript engine Sep 09 03:07:41 what is GC? Sep 09 03:08:07 grilled cheese? Sep 09 03:08:11 http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2064 Sep 09 03:08:24 the most hanus thing ever invented Sep 09 03:08:29 thanks to Anivrom, I have been googling toasted tomato sandwiches Sep 09 03:08:33 and now I want one Sep 09 03:08:36 damn IE8 and below totally suck' Sep 09 03:08:40 chea1 Sep 09 03:09:05 how did I not know of this?! Sep 09 03:09:07 Anivrom: you could avoid GC using c/c++ but then you're expected to manage your own memory Sep 09 03:09:21 so it's all about value propositions and trade-offs Sep 09 03:09:24 I know, which I wouldnt mind Sep 09 03:09:27 economics ya dinguses! :D Sep 09 03:10:05 Anivrom: do you remember that time you tried to manage my memory, I completely forgot who I was and woke up three days later in kentucky Sep 09 03:10:17 that was the dogs fault Sep 09 03:10:17 ...good times... Sep 09 03:10:22 I told him not to touch the vial Sep 09 03:10:31 Anivrom: ok reading on it Sep 09 03:19:36 should I be worried about the performance hit between if (this.scenery.trees.x1 < this.scenery.trees.width-1) { -and- if (this.scenery.trees.x1 < this.scenery.trees.width) { when its being executed 30 times a second? along with a slew of other things? Sep 09 03:20:18 Anivrom: Sep 09 03:20:41 Anivrom: the only performance optimization for that would be making a reference to this.scenery.trees Sep 09 03:20:47 and storing it and calling that Sep 09 03:20:58 but that shouldn't do it Sep 09 03:21:10 storing it will help a bit though Sep 09 03:21:13 huh? Sep 09 03:21:21 why 30 times a second? Sep 09 03:21:23 but critical mass does lots of stuff like that all the time Sep 09 03:21:57 You mean inside the loop make a reference? Sep 09 03:22:00 Anivrom: a game i foragot Sep 09 03:22:09 not inside teh loop Sep 09 03:22:19 where then lol Sep 09 03:22:23 then it would be generating the reference every time the loop ran Sep 09 03:22:30 guh I meant the loop function Sep 09 03:22:33 somewhere outside the loop but in the right context Sep 09 03:22:40 And how much performance would that really save? Sep 09 03:22:45 this.ref = this.scenery.trees Sep 09 03:22:54 then you can just call this.ref.x1, etc Sep 09 03:23:08 or you can store in a variable Sep 09 03:23:10 Also wouldnt it be almost the same performance since I'm still accessing tihs Sep 09 03:23:26 this is only needed if you want to store it in the parent objects prototype Sep 09 03:23:38 Yea but thats what your sample code did lol Sep 09 03:23:54 well I usually have a reason to store it in the prototype rather than a local variable Sep 09 03:24:02 but this is just a minor optimization Sep 09 03:24:04 Well thats what I'm doing. Sep 09 03:24:06 but it is one :) Sep 09 03:24:17 this.scenery.trees is stored in the prototype Sep 09 03:24:29 So either you're not making sense or I'm not making sense of it Sep 09 03:24:49 yeah but if you make a reference to this.scenery.trees the javascript engine doesn't have to trace as far down the tree to get to what it wants Sep 09 03:24:52 so it is faster Sep 09 03:25:01 Wonder how much Sep 09 03:25:09 microseconds? :) Sep 09 03:25:16 I couldn't say Sep 09 03:25:20 Anyone else wanna chime in on the performance enhancements? Sep 09 03:26:03 I think my performance hit is more due to the fact that I'm drawing 9 rather large images per frame Sep 09 03:26:20 which I can't avoid unfortunately Sep 09 03:27:18 anyone here use/try supernes? :) (heard of it? O:)) Sep 09 03:27:20 Anivrom: I can help you with more performance improvements if you're interested, but that was the only thing you asked about :) Sep 09 03:28:26 Well do you really know what is improvements and what isnt? I need actually figures Sep 09 03:28:34 actual* Sep 09 03:29:05 unfortunately the timer in js isnt exactly reliable otherwise I'd just poll the time every frame Sep 09 03:29:12 http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2064&Itemid=414 Sep 09 03:29:19 for the most part, yes Sep 09 03:29:37 I posted that to LoneStar99 like 25 minutes ago Sep 09 03:29:39 I've read it :P Sep 09 03:30:39 do you want my help or not? :) Sep 09 03:31:06 I'm thinking about it :P Sep 09 03:31:15 alright think away Sep 09 04:06:51 well aniv? Sep 09 04:07:04 Yea we'll take a look at it tomorrow Sep 09 04:07:15 okey dokey Sep 09 04:07:17 I'm gonna go to bed soon as soon as I get these 2 characters animating :P Sep 09 04:07:26 hah, alright :) Sep 09 04:19:45 if (this.loopInterval > this.loopIntervalMax) {this.loopInterval;} <----- lmfao I need sleeep Sep 09 04:22:20 whhaaat the fuck is that? Sep 09 04:24:22 hah Sep 09 04:24:33 I was wondering why it never entered the loop again Sep 09 04:24:43 for the this.loopInterval = 0 bit Sep 09 04:24:54 ever hear of for loops? Sep 09 04:24:58 forgot* Sep 09 04:25:05 O_o Sep 09 04:25:15 ... Sep 09 04:25:25 its inside a for loop Sep 09 04:25:39 I never reset it once it reached my max Sep 09 04:25:43 thats why I luled Sep 09 04:26:00 * halfhalo is leaving this wtfcode alone Sep 09 04:29:23 is it faster to a) execute an if b) assign a variable a new value derived from subtracting 2 vars Sep 09 04:29:37 assuming a) Sep 09 04:36:56 Anivrom: you shant worry about your algorithm, unless you can find a better way to do it. So I can't tell you how to make your algorithm better, but I can tell you how to better manage objects Sep 09 04:37:11 I see Sep 09 04:37:17 so your question about if statements versus assigning a variable is too abstract to answer Sep 09 04:37:18 Well I'll send you soem code tomorrow and we can talk it over Sep 09 04:37:30 cause it's all about context Sep 09 04:37:32 cool Sep 09 04:52:57 alright enough for tonight goodnight pplz, gotta go to work for the first time in a week tomorrow, and im not even on vacation :O Sep 09 05:16:20 So what should I do when I wake up with a million dollar idea? Sep 09 05:19:18 don't tell anyone, unless they have a million dollars. =P Sep 09 05:20:33 Tice to see TADN is getting some news Sep 09 05:24:15 hrm? Sep 09 05:28:04 if i set a javascript variable in a document, how do i reference that in a script file? Sep 09 05:28:35 pass it through a function? Sep 09 05:28:46 would that be appropriate? or do you want something else? Sep 09 05:28:55 I mean if you define a class in a script file Sep 09 05:28:59 and include that script file Sep 09 05:29:01 i don't think i've thought this plan all the way through Sep 09 05:29:08 master? Sep 09 05:29:11 and then declare an instance in the main file Sep 09 05:29:17 everything applies :D Sep 09 05:29:30 you just need to pass vars to the class Sep 09 05:29:49 (I was talking about using Class.Create in prototype) Sep 09 05:29:52 yes? Sep 09 05:29:57 ramble ramble ramble Sep 09 05:30:53 If you're trying to access variable from another class you're doing it wrong, imho Sep 09 05:31:06 Do as alexfner instructed :) Sep 09 05:33:15 Hello everyone Sep 09 05:33:26 i've got it now, no need for steenkin variables Sep 09 05:33:31 thanks :) Sep 09 05:33:46 yay Sep 09 05:36:55 hey Sep 09 05:37:53 hi to anyone who is up Sep 09 05:38:45 Hi Sep 09 05:39:54 I was wondering are the Devs as pissed off at vzw as their customers are. Sep 09 05:40:21 About what? Sep 09 05:40:23 about which thing? Sep 09 05:40:37 1.4.5 Sep 09 05:40:47 naaa dev's are focused on 2.0 Sep 09 05:41:08 2.0 is a game-changer Sep 09 05:41:55 2.0 is a whole new stadium, a new coach, and steroids Sep 09 05:42:01 and you think 2.0 will be released on vzw when they are going to EOL the Pre in Oct. Sep 09 05:42:29 oh sure. It's going to be released. Palm has a contract. Sep 09 05:42:51 anyway, there's a "next webos device" in the wings. Sep 09 05:43:05 well if palm has a contract then 1.4.5 should be released Sep 09 05:43:11 no Sep 09 05:43:16 it should, yep. Sep 09 05:43:21 these releases are up to the carriers Sep 09 05:43:23 entirely Sep 09 05:43:25 they test them Sep 09 05:43:33 and decide whether or not they pass Sep 09 05:43:48 are you blind they already released it on the Pixi Sep 09 05:43:59 I am not blind Sep 09 05:44:08 ahhhh. Sep 09 05:44:10 but I am saying that we don't know if they have a contract Sep 09 05:44:14 it's already been tested Sep 09 05:44:19 but we do know that the relative carrier makes the decision Sep 09 05:44:23 not Palm Sep 09 05:44:26 and not a contract Sep 09 05:45:11 but a lot of devs are losing money and a lot of customers can't use the new pdk apps Sep 09 05:45:29 this is true Sep 09 05:45:33 but that isn't verizon's problem Sep 09 05:45:36 it's Palms Sep 09 05:46:17 how is it palms when they already gave vzw the update Sep 09 05:46:33 It's palm's problem that they are losing revenue. Sep 09 05:46:39 if for some reason verizon saw not releasing 1.4.5 until now as a threat to their business, they would have done it Sep 09 05:46:42 then palm/hp should pressue vzw Sep 09 05:46:43 That is the result of a vzw decision. Sep 09 05:46:49 right Sep 09 05:46:51 exactly Sep 09 05:47:03 well who knows what's really going on Sava Sep 09 05:47:17 otoh, it may well be a STUPID decision on VZW's fault. Pissing off customers is never a good idea. Sep 09 05:47:29 I mean, it's a lot of legal and policy decisions that I don't think we have enough information to really understand Sep 09 05:47:53 some have even filed fcc complaints Sep 09 05:47:53 and don't forget marketing droids. Lots of decisions based on the marketing droids. Sep 09 05:48:09 vzw has lots of droids Sep 09 05:48:20 right Sep 09 05:48:26 yeah those pieces of turds Sep 09 05:48:28 verizons strategy has been based on android Sep 09 05:48:32 so that's how they make their money Sep 09 05:48:39 so that's where they will spend the most time/effort Sep 09 05:48:52 exactly. In regard to palm, simply think "These are not the droids you're looking for" and much comes clear. Sep 09 05:48:55 att has iphone, vzw has droid and .... has palm. Sep 09 05:48:57 greek yogurt with peaches Sep 09 05:49:08 yum Sep 09 05:49:21 but how are they losing money if they release 1.4.5 Sep 09 05:49:40 sort of forces you to change to a different phone. Sep 09 05:49:46 it's not even on their servers Sep 09 05:50:05 have there been errata fixes for a second publishing of orly's webos book? Sep 09 05:50:20 palm pre users will change to a different carrier before they change to droid Sep 09 05:50:31 marketing guys don't think that way. Sep 09 05:50:53 then they don't know the palm community Sep 09 05:50:58 and I also don't think it's true Sep 09 05:51:11 those people will probably go android Sep 09 05:51:19 because there isn't a different/better webOS offering Sep 09 05:51:50 I would never go to droid unless it has webos Sep 09 05:52:06 It's not droid then ;) Sep 09 05:52:27 each platform has it's ups and downs Sep 09 05:52:47 the next version of critical Mass is going to hit iphone/android/webOS simultaneously using phonegap Sep 09 05:52:56 just can't deny those larger customer bases Sep 09 05:53:36 well I messed around with them at the vzw and didn't like how it worked or felt Sep 09 05:54:24 the UI is definitely not as intuitive as webOS Sep 09 05:54:51 especially those hardware buttons on the bottom of the phone, I am never sure which one to press to get what I want Sep 09 05:55:17 well I would get a pre2 if it came on Vzw maybe that's why they are waiting but that's like a couple months away Sep 09 05:55:22 but it was able to offer affordability and scale that webOS never could Sep 09 05:55:48 alexfner: I'm yet to understand what Samsungs ok button is for Sep 09 05:56:23 affordability? Sep 09 05:56:34 Touchscreen phone needs an ok button? :) Sep 09 05:57:25 hah Sep 09 05:57:36 the pre+ was very affordable even when it was 90 and the droid was 200 Sep 09 05:57:43 TheSavaLord: device manufacturers get a portion of mobile advertising revenue, so it is less expensive for them Sep 09 05:57:52 TheSavaLord: Google manages the code so they don't have to Sep 09 05:58:01 TheSavaLord: Google offers the scale so they don't have to Sep 09 05:58:13 all they have to do is build phones and get out their money rakes Sep 09 05:58:20 I don't know bout you guys but I'm in love with webOS. I'm on sprint and hopefully I don't have to switch carriers but I will if something is not out by the end of the year. Sep 09 05:58:56 ohhh you mean affordable to them and not the end user Sep 09 05:59:23 well the end user is always going to pay 199 , or 299 for a high end smartphone Sep 09 05:59:26 so yes Sep 09 05:59:53 you can get a pre+ for free Sep 09 06:00:21 I guess it isn't a smartphone then Sep 09 06:01:14 it isn't considered high end Sep 09 06:01:35 and the orignal droid is? Sep 09 06:01:41 Its old though, with ancient hardware specs. Sep 09 06:02:41 that works better and faster then the highspec phones Sep 09 06:02:58 In some areas yea.. Sep 09 06:03:00 the original droid isn't available anymore? Sep 09 06:03:13 Doubt it.. Sep 09 06:03:35 they sure do have it at the vzw store Sep 09 06:04:07 oh, well not online... Sep 09 06:04:16 I'd assume they're prolly just clearing out inventory Sep 09 06:04:23 Maybe some local stores still have some leftover stock? Sep 09 06:04:24 they definitely had it when I gor my pre Sep 09 06:04:35 got Sep 09 06:04:39 Yea, trying to liquify it! Sep 09 06:04:44 *liquidate Sep 09 06:04:50 hahaha Sep 09 06:04:54 liquify it Sep 09 06:04:55 hahah Sep 09 06:04:58 yup Sep 09 06:06:02 when I got my pre which was like in may or aprill they only had the droid Sep 09 06:06:17 What? At your local store? Sep 09 06:06:19 well yeah Sep 09 06:06:28 that was before droid incredible Sep 09 06:06:29 droid x Sep 09 06:06:31 droid 2 Sep 09 06:06:31 ohh and the droid eris which was even worse then the droid Sep 09 06:06:35 which have completely replaced that Sep 09 06:07:34 I really wish I could use the new wirc Sep 09 06:07:48 Is it 1.4.5 or something? Sep 09 06:08:12 only works with .5 Sep 09 06:08:29 like all pdk apps Sep 09 06:08:36 Get an earlier version. Sep 09 06:08:42 I'm still using it. Sep 09 06:08:57 that's what I am using but it's buggy as hell Sep 09 06:10:17 do a channel list Sep 09 06:13:07 man chipmunk is failing me right now Sep 09 06:13:27 for no apparent reason it's restricting the movement of some objects Sep 09 06:13:30 bodies* Sep 09 06:13:33 but not others Sep 09 06:13:51 but like every single app being released now is for .5 Sep 09 06:14:04 just call vzw and complain Sep 09 06:14:08 or vote with your dollar Sep 09 06:14:12 anyone know how to view memory usage in emulator? Sep 09 06:14:14 those are the best options you've got Sep 09 06:14:17 I have Sep 09 06:14:26 ask for a monthly credit? Sep 09 06:14:32 LoneStar99: palm inspector? Sep 09 06:14:57 alexfner: palm inspector is used for that? Sep 09 06:15:52 I'm already getting a monthly credit because they had me on the phone for 3 hours on a gps issue. Sep 09 06:16:08 TheSavaLord: I've been thinking about jumping ship until the next device. IF Verizon will give me a phone at 2-year signon cost... Sep 09 06:16:17 3 hours? Wow Sep 09 06:16:59 LoneStar99: well you can view lots of resources, otherwise you'd need to look at sshing to the phone Sep 09 06:17:30 and I lost personal data because the tech told me if I reset the palm it will start working. Sep 09 06:17:48 alexfner: oh ok Sep 09 06:18:15 didn't work at all. even VZnav couldn't get a lock Sep 09 06:18:43 so I got my 3rd replacement within 3 weeks Sep 09 06:19:15 and this one has issues with keyboard Sep 09 06:19:32 and verizon phones have a-gps issues Sep 09 06:19:35 in 1.4.5 Sep 09 06:19:41 so this could have been a reason for delaying it Sep 09 06:20:02 because they might have said "we want this fixed before we put newer software on the phone" Sep 09 06:20:06 I don't know Sep 09 06:20:11 they had those issues in all webos Sep 09 06:20:13 I'm just giving you an idea of how that can work Sep 09 06:20:22 no, this is not a problem on sprint Sep 09 06:20:35 admittedly google maps is slowed, but everything else is instantaneous Sep 09 06:20:50 alex it has to do with their cell towers needing extra code Sep 09 06:21:28 do all vzw phones have that problem? Sep 09 06:21:34 I think naught Sep 09 06:21:38 yes Sep 09 06:22:14 everyone I had has had that issue. and go look on precentral Sep 09 06:22:15 really? Sep 09 06:22:20 yeah, all palm pres Sep 09 06:22:29 not all verizon phones Sep 09 06:22:31 not droids Sep 09 06:22:40 not any other verizon phone that uses a-gps Sep 09 06:24:18 but then they could have a deal with google to cripple the pre Sep 09 06:24:55 all that I know is agps works just fine as soon as you load up VZnav Sep 09 06:25:46 but try any other app and it takes 2+ mins or not at all to get a lock Sep 09 06:27:13 it has to do with extra code they send to the towers. vznav has that code and vzw won't release that code to other apps. Sep 09 06:28:09 Its super unlikely that they have a deal with google or anyone else to hurt Palm. Somebody would leak the details sometime, and there would be a shitstorm of lawsuits, and yea... it'd be bad. Sep 09 06:29:20 I don't know what the a-gps issue is, as verizon nor palm has discussed it at length Sep 09 06:30:52 Anyone know what the submission time is for apps for the time? Sep 09 06:31:04 hotdp: what? Sep 09 06:31:54 hotdp: I think your sentence is broken somewhere. Sep 09 06:32:00 heh Sep 09 06:32:24 awe geeze Sep 09 06:32:35 I spent an hour getting pissed at random functionality Sep 09 06:32:43 only to find that I had left in legacy code that screwed things up Sep 09 06:35:23 oh man this is working oh so nicely now Sep 09 06:35:35 Whatcha workin on? Sep 09 06:37:17 a little game Sep 09 06:37:25 I couldn't describe it well Sep 09 06:37:44 it's like a combination of air hockey and shuffleboard, but the scoring works like neither Sep 09 06:37:50 so enjoy that Sep 09 06:37:55 genius.... Sep 09 06:39:42 I know! Sep 09 06:46:24 After $75k a year, making more money stops bringing happiness to the average American... Sep 09 06:47:39 Saw that on Engadget or Asylum or something... Sep 09 06:47:46 Google News* Sep 09 06:47:56 alexfner, for the time i submit my app to it gets pulished Sep 09 06:48:03 last time i dit it it toke 2-3 days Sep 09 06:54:18 hmm Sep 09 06:55:08 well it depends hotdp on whats up at palm. and they don't make that public so up to aa week Sep 09 06:55:36 I am askin, so if you or others have just published it could be an indication of the time now Sep 09 06:56:15 yeah well i just read up to a week Sep 09 06:56:34 you have just published? Sep 09 06:57:09 no Sep 09 06:57:22 thats what i read on the forums Sep 09 07:00:03 roger Sep 09 09:03:42 Say.. Can scenes be created on the fly? Sep 09 09:06:04 eh? Sep 09 09:06:25 Yes, that's what I'm asking :) Sep 09 09:09:11 i don't understand what you mean ? Sep 09 09:09:23 Can you explain what you will do? Sep 09 09:09:55 Is it possible to create scene dynamically Sep 09 09:13:20 Now you've created scenes (views with assistants) and then you package your app. What I'd like to do know if it's possible to create those scenes while the app is running. Sep 09 09:17:16 hmm. Perhaps I can simply call pushScene and take it from there.. I have to read more. Sep 09 09:22:23 teemu: look at the Lumberjack source code Sep 09 09:22:48 Roger. Sep 09 09:58:16 brand new phone no sound from ear piece and no sound when playing games but i get ringtones and system sounds anyone have any ideas? Sep 09 09:58:51 and the music volume is up? not only ringtone Sep 09 09:59:10 yes i have pandora open right now music volume is up Sep 09 09:59:38 vibe switch is off Sep 09 10:00:24 but the bar changes when you turn the music volume up and down? Sep 09 10:00:27 i am running uberkernel and a selection of patches. Sep 09 10:00:28 yes Sep 09 10:01:29 i donno then Sep 09 12:55:53 morning all Sep 09 12:57:35 HattCzech_work morning Sep 09 13:52:21 Hi all Sep 09 13:52:35 Can someone tell me if by being in dev mode my Pre is unlocked? Sep 09 13:52:54 If not, what's the best way to unlock it? Results on the forum were too vague =/ Sep 09 13:53:10 hello Boopop Sep 09 13:53:14 Hello :) Sep 09 13:53:16 the answer is No Sep 09 13:53:24 No and...? :P Sep 09 13:53:41 have you tryed google? Sep 09 13:53:52 Yes, haven't found anything that costs £25 :S Sep 09 13:53:58 that doesn't* Sep 09 13:54:13 then you might have to pay 25£ Sep 09 13:54:23 that is cheap Sep 09 13:54:26 How come there isn't a preware app or something? Sep 09 13:54:36 Last time I unlocked a phone it cost me £5, lol Sep 09 13:54:37 If it was possible for free it would be hard to earn money on it Sep 09 14:06:55 got a palm pre replaced yesterday now have to return to the store because the replacement also has problems Sep 09 14:07:49 Ugh I give up Sep 09 14:08:06 the money it costs me to unlock this thing negates the saving I get with switching provider Sep 09 14:08:07 LAME Sep 09 14:08:23 Back in the day you could unlock phones for a pittance Sep 09 14:10:41 my phone was bought unlocked.. that is also a option Sep 09 14:10:53 sadly a bit late xD Sep 09 14:20:29 rwhitby: lumberjack isn't showing me log messages for my PDK app. Sep 09 14:20:43 Do you know if you need to set it up differently to work right? Sep 09 14:29:37 Roy-Pre1011: do pdk apps log the same way? Sep 09 14:29:56 i've been doing fprintf to log for pdk Sep 09 14:29:57 Funny you should ask! Mostly, yes. Sep 09 14:30:30 Read this: http://webos101.com/Debugging_PDK_Apps Sep 09 14:31:41 okay, so essentially the same as fprintf, just to the main log Sep 09 14:34:20 yep Sep 09 14:39:29 so got a new replacement pre from sprint yesterday. just to find out it is stuck in headphone mode. anyone have a fix for this? Sep 09 14:39:51 already tried screwing the hell out of it with a pair of headphones Sep 09 14:40:00 play music, plug/unplug till it figures it out Sep 09 14:41:10 would youtube videos work the ssame dont' have music on it yet and pandora hasn't installed. just doctored it to try to get it out of that crap Sep 09 14:44:28 not working. guess its back to sprint again Sep 09 14:45:37 :S Sep 09 15:01:50 Roy-Pre1011: You need to use custom filter I think for non-mojo log messages in preware Sep 09 15:02:45 btw I think the packageid will be part of each message even without openlog() Sep 09 15:02:53 err I meant lumberjack not preware Sep 09 15:02:57 need more coffee lol Sep 09 15:22:49 Ok, this is just weird Sep 09 15:23:00 no, this is IRC Sep 09 15:23:18 I'm doing the same thing Live HTTP Headers says Firefox is doing to login to my Google Voice account but I'm getting redirected back to the login page Sep 09 15:24:53 I'm about to try it with telnet and literally copy/paste what firefox submitted Sep 09 15:25:17 oh, wait, TLS, can't do that :P Sep 09 15:33:39 I suppose I could always go back to the non-mobile sign in, although I then have to download like 10x more data :/ Sep 09 15:49:09 Hi all, what's an easy way to text all my contacts at once? Sep 09 15:58:25 theres a group txt app in tyhe catalog Sep 09 15:58:45 i think its called TXT Group or something similar Sep 09 15:59:01 http://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=com.hattczech.txtgroup Sep 09 16:02:02 There's a group text patc as well which O think is better Sep 09 16:02:17 Patch* Sep 09 16:06:34 Thanks dawm and Anivrom|pre Sep 09 16:07:29 Anivrom|pre: i didn't know there was a patch Sep 09 16:07:34 how would that even work? Sep 09 16:07:38 Yessir Sep 09 16:07:40 and thanks for the plug, dawm :) Sep 09 16:07:50 Idk but it allows infinate recipients Sep 09 16:08:03 I think you just keep adding them to the top bar Sep 09 16:08:11 ohhh, yeah, uncaps message recipient limit, but doesn't let you setup groups Sep 09 16:08:13 Infinite Sep 09 16:08:23 Yea Sep 09 16:08:48 makes sense Sep 09 16:08:53 i've recommended that people use that with my app Sep 09 16:09:08 I generally don't have a group I text at once. If I'm texting multiple its pretty random Sep 09 16:09:59 I downloaded text group though, just rarly need it Sep 09 16:15:22 What do people think aboyt tge new Toshiba Tablet? Sep 09 16:15:26 With android Sep 09 16:19:54 HattCzech_work: How can I select all my contacts for your group texting app? Sep 09 16:20:00 I'm getting a new number you see :3 Sep 09 16:20:03 that's what I need it for Sep 09 16:20:07 I think webos or nothing :) Sep 09 16:24:35 Boopop: you'd have to add them 1 by 1 (unfortunately) Sep 09 16:24:41 nuuuuuuu ='( Sep 09 16:24:49 and if you're only doing it once, the patch and regular messaging app would probably be the best way to go Sep 09 16:25:15 * Anivrom|pre just realized he left one of his earbuds sitting in his coffee cup.... Submerged.... For 10 minutes Sep 09 16:25:21 If there a way to hide MSN & FB contacts that'd work HattCzech_work Sep 09 16:25:29 if there's a group of people you regularly text, that's where my app becomes useful Sep 09 16:25:40 yeah :) Tis a good app by the looks of it Sep 09 16:25:48 *thumbs up* :P Sep 09 16:25:52 thanks Sep 09 16:26:05 need to do some updates, but have to find the time :/ Sep 09 16:26:33 Moving to a tesco contract I am Sep 09 16:26:42 500 mins, unlimited texts and 500mb data Sep 09 16:26:46 Boopop: if the contacts are stored in their respective accounts, i'd unlink the accounts, choose the people you want, then add the accounts back Sep 09 16:26:49 £10 a month, 1 month contract Sep 09 16:26:55 HattCzech_work: give me all your profitsss and I'll do your updates for free! Sep 09 16:27:17 Anivrom|pre: my profits are very small, i might get the better end on that one :D Sep 09 16:27:25 Haha Sep 09 16:27:31 HattCzech_work: Thanks but I've got about 40 sim contacts linked to fb, so it might be more effort than it's worth xD Sep 09 16:27:48 Unless deleting my fb account from my phone deletes all my fb contacts...but then I still wouldn't know about MSN contacts Sep 09 16:28:09 This is probably more effort than it's worth, I imagine I should just do it the old fashioned way Sep 09 16:32:24 If anyone joines asking about Komodo and 2.0 have them annoy sugardave. Sep 09 16:32:59 Templarian: ? Sep 09 16:33:05 lol Sep 09 16:33:14 I must admit that I've been using eclipse now for some time :P Sep 09 16:34:57 Good god Sep 09 16:35:13 We won't be suffering any losses to the Sony Ericsson Vivaz Pro Sep 09 16:35:21 £370 Sim free Sep 09 16:35:25 RESISTIVE screen Sep 09 16:35:27 RESISTIVE Sep 09 16:35:29 AND Sep 09 16:35:31 to top it off Sep 09 16:35:36 Symbian S60 OS Sep 09 16:35:39 wtf, seriously Sep 09 16:35:49 Doesn't have wifi Sep 09 16:36:05 http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/review/1731830/sony-ericsson-vivaz-pro Sep 09 16:36:09 sugardave: Probably for the best, I have no real idea if I'll have time to fix any problems that come up. Sep 09 16:37:59 Templarian: ah, yeah...I still think your Komodo stuff is better than the Eclipse plugin :D Sep 09 16:40:40 sugardave: they add debugging to eclipse yet? Sep 09 16:44:42 Rawr sugardave! Sep 09 16:45:36 That scan do app is pretty leet. I have evaded the cops 5 times already Sep 09 16:48:31 I'll paypal your share of the heist money tomorrow morning Sep 09 16:48:47 Is it possible to create elements such as buttons dynamically or do they have to exist before.. activate? Sep 09 16:49:11 hey there...is an dev here which is using komodo and installed the beta webos 2.0 sdk? Sep 09 16:49:21 got some problems with it Sep 09 16:49:27 ahahahahahaha Sep 09 16:49:49 :) Sep 09 16:50:39 Douth, be careful not to talk about non disclosure agreement stuff Sep 09 16:50:52 Which is basically all of the 2.0 sdk Sep 09 16:51:14 I know ;) Sep 09 16:52:43 just want to know if anyone use it to and get it on work with komodo ;) Sep 09 16:52:45 cause I have the problem with komodo that it always say "Package could not be completed" by device (1.4.5) emulator (1.4.1 and 2.0) I reinstalled komodo but it doesnt solve the problem Sep 09 16:52:47 Unless you work for precentral. Then you're exempt from the nda and all penalties Sep 09 16:53:40 :D Sep 09 16:53:42 no all people who joined the NDA should accept that its closure!!! Sep 09 16:54:13 so i dont wanna talk about 2.0 just about my problem with komodo ;) Sep 09 16:54:33 :) Sep 09 16:55:45 so anyone have an idea?! or got the same problem?? Sep 09 16:59:03 How about my question? :) Sep 09 17:01:27 komodo always say "Package could not be completed" by device (1.4.5) emulator (1.4.1 and 2.0) I reinstalled komodo but it doesnt solve the problem Sep 09 17:03:30 artifact: is that so. Sep 09 17:05:15 artifact: Simple fix adding a path variable. Sep 09 17:05:36 In Komodo go to Edit -> Preferences -> Edit environmental something. Sep 09 17:06:37 Templarian: okay and there is an option / path for webOS? Sep 09 17:06:48 Make sure that the PalmSDK (and maybe PalmPDK are set. Sep 09 17:07:19 artifact: it's a bug in komodo it has a dumb problem of not refreshing the path variables. Sep 09 17:07:53 its there : C:\Program Files\Palm\SDK Sep 09 17:08:12 Is that the correct path on your disk? Sep 09 17:08:54 I guess if you are on non 64 bit it looks right. Sep 09 17:09:14 yes there are the folders share and bin and i'm on a 32bit system Sep 09 17:09:15 The 2.0 install overwrites the 1.4.x install right? Sep 09 17:09:33 NDA Sep 09 17:09:50 * Templarian hits hotdp with a bat. Sep 09 17:09:51 Lol Sep 09 17:10:06 Too bad dekan wasn't here. Sep 09 17:10:16 good moring heathens! Sep 09 17:10:33 Templarian it says we can not talk about 2.0 in public? Sep 09 17:10:34 Dekan: 2.0 is NDA!!1!1one!eleven Sep 09 17:10:39 and that is what we are doing? Sep 09 17:10:57 hotdp: you didnt read it? Sep 09 17:11:01 No, we are asking basic troubleshooting questions. Stop reading. Sep 09 17:11:06 Templarian: i think so...but I have 1.4.1 in virtual box Sep 09 17:11:24 artifact: run the command manually and see what it says. Sep 09 17:11:29 So we can talk about installing 2.0 ? Sep 09 17:11:31 From cmd that is. Sep 09 17:11:35 I am confussed Sep 09 17:11:42 hotdp: stop thinking so much. Sep 09 17:11:47 first no one can talk, now something is alowed? Sep 09 17:12:08 hotdp: go read the nda. Sep 09 17:12:19 speaking of which... can I have multiple versions of the emulator in Virtualbox and choose which one to load? Sep 09 17:12:23 we are not talking espacially bout 2.0 we talking about basic install paths and komodo ;) Sep 09 17:12:36 Templarian i have READ the NDA Sep 09 17:13:01 ok i say nothing Sep 09 17:13:05 not my case Sep 09 17:13:48 ^^ Sep 09 17:14:13 artifact: do "palm-install --version" in CMD Sep 09 17:14:21 I'm friend of NDA but i think what we writing about doesnt matter for it... Sep 09 17:14:24 okay Sep 09 17:14:52 it's version 2.0.0 Sep 09 17:15:10 Now step through packaging and installing to the device through cmd. Sep 09 17:15:19 Find the failure point. Sep 09 17:15:43 through cmd there isnt any problem....works well Sep 09 17:15:50 just in komodo i got problems Sep 09 17:16:12 which make's it less konfortable Sep 09 17:16:22 in global search type "path" click the view / edit enviromental. Sep 09 17:16:48 Easier way. Sep 09 17:16:56 Hit ctrl+r inside of komodo and run the same commands. Sep 09 17:17:30 Komodo's internal command line uses it's own varaibles if it errors there it will show in the output panel (which I supress since it's useless). Sep 09 17:17:41 :/ Sep 09 17:18:02 * Templarian throws a match at oil_laptop. Sep 09 17:18:19 okay so i will try the install command in komodo Sep 09 17:19:59 okay I'm confused right now :D how the command have to look like? Sep 09 17:20:29 cd C:\|palm-install blah Sep 09 17:20:39 It's a really dumb command line. Sep 09 17:20:49 Mostly made for writing macros etc. Sep 09 17:21:18 lol Sep 09 17:21:43 * Templarian mumbles something about Windows Phone 7 and green fields and no crab grass. Sep 09 17:21:45 * oil_laptop wonders if Templarian uses his beloved komodo for wp7 dev :) Sep 09 17:22:01 but after that i must link to a packed app? Sep 09 17:22:07 oil_laptop: lol. Visual Studio trumps all these dumb editors (but you know that). Sep 09 17:22:15 lol Sep 09 17:22:58 artifact: I'm just doing this idea to test if your pathing varaibles are indeed correct. This happened to someone else but it magically started working. Sep 09 17:23:14 magic, yay Sep 09 17:23:18 They probably restarted their computer and the pathing variables reset. Sep 09 17:24:37 okay i think i will do a restart and have a look if its working after it?! Sep 09 17:24:56 turn if off and on again = tech support #1 :) Sep 09 17:25:24 :D hehe yes :D Sep 09 17:27:10 You know how many times I've gotten emails from people that say Komodo won't package and install... then 2 minutes later. I restarted and it works now. Sep 09 17:49:15 pie Sep 09 17:53:41 Templarian: eclipse debugging....good question! I don't use it and not sure if it works or not Sep 09 17:56:22 Templarian: it doesn't work :-S i deinstalled komodo again and did a restart......than i reinstalled it and the webos plugin is still there :-O and doenst work too :D Sep 09 17:57:43 artifact: Join Windows Phone 7, you will like it more. Sep 09 17:57:54 :D never :D Sep 09 17:58:30 but well it looks like i have to use eclipse again :( Sep 09 17:58:58 * Templarian hands artifact a pistol just incase. Sep 09 17:59:12 :D Sep 09 17:59:33 so i really dont know what the problem could be Sep 09 18:01:17 just will try to reinstall the addon Sep 09 18:01:31 but wp7 noway :-O Sep 09 18:04:12 hell no it doesn't work :( Sep 09 18:05:20 Intermerestitting Sep 09 18:07:46 so now installing eclipse :( bye bye RAM :-S Sep 09 18:10:24 Someone spraypainted a koomba on the roof of a building. WIN Sep 09 18:18:26 is webos 2.0 going to work on the non plus pixi ? Sep 09 18:18:52 and by work i dont mean the way iOS 4 "works" on the iphone 3g :) Sep 09 18:19:33 i think there will be a webos 2.0 hot app coming soon lol =D Sep 09 18:24:21 techrush don't think that kind of information has been released Sep 09 18:24:30 ok Sep 09 18:24:34 :[ Sep 09 18:24:35 thanks Sep 09 18:24:59 heres to hoping i geuss Sep 09 18:25:00 But i think it will :( Sep 09 18:25:06 :) Sep 09 18:25:21 don't think it will requiere more cpu then 1.4.5 Sep 09 18:25:27 but that only my guess Sep 09 18:26:16 i saw a screenshot of dropbox support ...would be curious how that would work on the pixi with no wi-fi Sep 09 18:26:28 syncing up to 2gb of stuff via 3g seems kind of weird Sep 09 18:28:47 you got a point Sep 09 18:28:57 but it is up to you to sync 2gb Sep 09 18:29:08 but nice to have the choice eh? Sep 09 18:47:30 Just wrote up some new code in internalz to fix a major stuttering problem in a new scene I made last night. Time to test her. GoGo Gadget Lumberjack! <3 oil Sep 09 18:53:48 Lol techrush yeah guess that would throw a wrench in the dropbox idea. Sep 09 18:54:00 :( Sep 09 18:55:33 Oil: ping Sep 09 19:18:53 Why does terminal say palm-log not found when I try and turn on logging on my pre? Sep 09 19:19:44 it hates you? Sep 09 19:21:57 No but seriously? I have Mojo.Log.info commands that aren't showing up in lumberjack (which I think lets the log level automagically anyways) Sep 09 19:22:26 Sets the log* Sep 09 19:24:38 There we go Sep 09 19:28:10 I don't think lumberjack sets the log level Sep 09 19:32:16 Oh? Its got options for which log level you wanna look at so I assumed ut would be fully functional Sep 09 19:32:50 lol... Sep 09 19:32:54 functional apps... Sep 09 19:34:34 Anivrom|pre: I think it might parse for that log level Sep 09 19:34:57 haeffb_pre: u around? Sep 09 19:34:58 not set it Sep 09 19:35:13 That's unfortunate Sep 09 19:37:04 novaterm in and set it Sep 09 19:38:10 yo Sep 09 19:39:11 Bmyers: yo Sep 09 19:39:22 hi Sep 09 19:41:42 egaudet: Anivrom|pre: it sets the log level Sep 09 19:41:46 to debug on start Sep 09 19:41:50 Yay Sep 09 19:41:56 for lunasysmgrjs or whatever it is Sep 09 19:42:00 Btw oil found a bug in LJ Sep 09 19:42:06 im not surprised Sep 09 19:43:40 The time for each log is showing 1 hour past actual. Sep 09 19:43:50 hm Sep 09 19:52:34 oh man, WHY ISN'T THERE OPRAH MOBILE APP FOR WEBOS?!?! Sep 09 19:52:37 Hi Folks. Wanted just to make a quick mention of an opening in NYC for a WebOS developer w/Javascript. Salary to $125k + 10% bonus. if interested, you can hit me off line. Thanks and good day :) :) Sep 09 19:54:03 oil logs shit from the future Sep 09 19:54:22 that way you always have an hour to fix the problem Sep 09 19:54:27 :-/ Sep 09 19:54:51 haha Sep 09 19:56:12 hmmm, sprint has also incorrectly identified my phone as my wife's phone...does this mean they have taken the Pre out of their back-end DB? IS THE C40 COMING OUT TOMORROW?!?! Sep 09 19:56:56 forgive me everyone, I've been laid up immobile for the last 72 hours, so I'm a little stir-crazy Sep 09 19:57:18 who did you kill Sep 09 19:57:33 um...nobody Sep 09 19:58:18 THERES your problem Sep 09 20:00:00 sugardave: take deep breathes Sep 09 20:02:22 Bmyers: wanna check out this scanner app? Sep 09 20:02:40 scanner app? Sep 09 20:02:54 emt/police scanner streaming Sep 09 20:03:26 it's basically a front-end for radioreference.com Sep 09 20:04:00 oh sure Sep 09 20:04:04 i like those apps Sep 09 20:04:08 oh noes, my dropbox is full Sep 09 20:04:15 and I didn't do anything Sep 09 20:04:18 mine is empty!! Sep 09 20:04:32 * halfhalo blames oil Sep 09 20:04:45 * oil loaded it with donkeyporn Sep 09 20:04:53 lol Sep 09 20:04:57 * halfhalo goes to get foooood Sep 09 20:09:40 Sugardave: I gave the monkey in the red suit the money for that thing, he said he's paypal it last night did you get it? Sep 09 20:10:02 oil: what does it set the level for? Sep 09 20:10:10 * egaudet goes to git Sep 09 20:10:14 He'd* Sep 09 20:10:23 /me stabs git Sep 09 20:10:37 ... Sep 09 20:10:44 FAIL KB FAIL Sep 09 20:13:38 egaudet: for luna Sep 09 20:13:47 mine is set to info by default Sep 09 20:13:56 Anivrom|pre: not yet, I'll send my collectors around eventually Sep 09 20:14:01 in the prefs of lumberjack, it has a setting Sep 09 20:14:03 it defaults to debug Sep 09 20:14:06 Bmyers: sent Sep 09 20:14:08 when you start lumberjac, it changes it Sep 09 20:14:12 and changes it back to error on exit Sep 09 20:14:21 I guess I must have changed it to info and dont' remember Sep 09 20:14:25 sugardave: roger roger Sep 09 20:14:43 now, to see if you're smarter than haeffb_pre Sep 09 20:14:52 i plan to expand it to let you change hte loglevels for everything Sep 09 20:15:17 but right now... back to work Sep 09 20:15:18 bbl Sep 09 20:15:26 i dunno. haeffb is really smart isnt he? Sep 09 20:16:47 So yea earlier today I realized my left earbud was completely submerged in my coffee for atleast 10 minutes. Well I am happy to report that palms stock headphones did not break \o/ Sep 09 20:17:36 * haeffb_pre expects intuitive UI's Sep 09 20:17:43 haha Sep 09 20:18:04 it would have probably been more intuitive if you had more than one scanner in your list :P Sep 09 20:18:40 btw, you don't have to select all the way down to the county level Sep 09 20:20:19 Maybe that should be stated somewhere. For instance have it actively gather the channels everytime the lists are changed. That way we know its working :) that would be expected behaviour and intuitive (imo) Sep 09 20:20:19 For instance/or Sep 09 20:21:01 Jus sayin Sep 09 20:21:17 I thought about it...and it would probably work fine when the data is already cached, but first time pulling the big lists from ajax it kind of messes up Sep 09 20:21:32 but, that's probably just a bug Sep 09 20:21:39 it's definitely not release-ready yet Sep 09 20:22:52 got to add the "hot feeds/new feeds" stuff...and some other secret details (feature to really differentiate mine from the only other one out for webOS) Sep 09 20:23:27 I just murdered a goat and didn't get caught cause I was listening to the police scanner: Thanks sugardave! Sep 09 20:23:32 haha Sep 09 20:24:03 Share your sugatdavian police scanner storey at www.sugardavianpolicestorysharingwebsite.com today! Sep 09 20:25:05 Premium fees may apply** Sep 09 20:25:35 I am considering some kind of pre-set tweets you can send: "OMG LOL SUM1 WUZ JUS KEELED: [scanner channel]" Sep 09 20:26:02 I really hate those " take this quiz to continue" websites where every quiz charges to your cell phone like 25 dollars Sep 09 20:27:07 But in nanoprint in the bottom left corner covered by adds that tell you your ip has been "selected" Sep 09 20:27:50 Everyones trying to make a buck Sep 09 20:36:10 Is there a way to destroy vars in js? I know I could just do myVar = null but wouldn't it be better to erase it all together? Cause I notice my vars persist even after I back gesture out of a scene Sep 09 20:36:31 null them and be happy Sep 09 20:36:33 Because they are global Sep 09 20:38:37 Anivrom|pre: even var's created in the scene setup, activate, etcx Sep 09 20:38:50 ? Sep 09 20:39:00 Don't think so Sep 09 20:39:16 Just one ones outside the constructor Sep 09 20:39:17 oh, just var's created outside of the scene? Sep 09 20:39:22 gotcha Sep 09 20:39:30 * Tibfib doesn't use any of those Sep 09 20:39:41 Um Sep 09 20:40:15 * Anivrom|pre wonders where tibfib sets up his vars then Sep 09 20:41:01 I create var's within the scene scope if I need them in a function, and use this.var's if I need a var throughout the scene Sep 09 20:42:24 err, I create var's within the function if I need them, and use this.var's if I need a var throughout the scene Sep 09 20:42:48 bbl Sep 09 20:43:39 I generally setup my scene scope vars in the myassistant.prototype = {vars here} Sep 09 20:43:40 Yea so essentially I'm doing the same thing but they persist, Sep 09 20:47:33 how do you know they persist Sep 09 20:57:15 egaudet: I know they persist cause when I load the scene up again all the items are in the same spot and they resume animating lol Sep 09 21:01:30 delete myvar Sep 09 21:01:37 ; Sep 09 21:01:37 delete it good Sep 09 21:02:04 I thought you didn't have to worry about resource lifecycle with JS Sep 09 21:02:14 just keep things in proper scope Sep 09 21:05:18 Well when your programming games you should worry if 5mb worth of images sits in ram and never gets used again Sep 09 21:06:03 "proper scope" Sep 09 21:06:50 Anivrom|pre: they will get collected when needed Sep 09 21:08:21 I'm a noob so feel free to school me :P Sep 09 21:12:16 lol.. hit a threshold for my vps due to the irc logger Sep 09 21:12:19 makes me laugh Sep 09 21:14:41 delete(var) works well Sep 09 21:14:47 er delete var, maybe Sep 09 21:15:20 oh, I see that haeffb_pre already beat me to it Sep 09 21:15:25 * sugardave shakes his fists. Sep 09 21:21:11 wakkawakkawakka Sep 09 21:25:39 Hi Sep 09 21:35:02 haeffb_pre: I though I was declaring in proper scope. I'm assigning vars to the assistant.prototype object. Any reason why they would persist after popping the scene with such a scope? Sep 09 21:48:53 hello everyone Sep 09 21:49:46 Hello good sir Sep 09 21:50:10 has anyone had any weird issues since upgrading to webos 1.4.5? Sep 09 21:50:34 My phone seems to sometimes shit off after that update Sep 09 21:50:38 oops Sep 09 21:50:41 shut off Sep 09 21:50:48 my aplogogies Sep 09 21:50:52 OMG SWAER WORD Sep 09 21:50:54 BANSTICK! Sep 09 21:51:44 I had to re-initalize my phone and sign in to all my accounts after that Sep 09 21:52:09 I was just wondering if anyone had experienced anything similar Sep 09 21:55:56 I take it than that this is not normal? Sep 09 21:57:42 august reports are in. 344 sales of various apps. Sep 09 21:58:20 ? Sep 09 21:58:54 your apps? Sep 09 21:59:09 me? Sep 09 22:00:54 sup devs Sep 09 22:02:11 yep, my apps Sep 09 22:02:16 Myles, Done, Noted Sep 09 22:02:38 July was 635, with only Myles & Done Sep 09 22:04:01 it's the recession! Sep 09 22:04:14 :) Sep 09 22:04:34 btw, making any progress on Nirvana? Sep 09 22:06:55 no api yet Sep 09 22:08:45 July was 686, June was 635 Sep 09 22:09:36 haeffb: nice! Sep 09 22:09:43 haeffb: all paid apps? Sep 09 22:09:47 yes. Sep 09 22:09:52 my paid apps are down pretty low Sep 09 22:10:00 august sales were half June/July Sep 09 22:10:09 but, a Yammer client isn't exactly in high demand Sep 09 22:10:12 need some new hardware to get new users Sep 09 22:10:57 someone just needs to write a porn app Sep 09 22:11:00 they'd be set for life Sep 09 22:11:09 don't think palm would let it through Sep 09 22:11:17 or a virtual girlfriend app, which emails, txts, and calls you and nags/seduces Sep 09 22:11:25 cause most palm users are nerds Sep 09 22:11:29 and thus will die virgins Sep 09 22:11:33 ouch Sep 09 22:11:38 and want to feeling of at least maybe kinda sorta having a gf Sep 09 22:11:43 :P Sep 09 22:12:12 cept for you pandora, someone already opened your box Sep 09 22:12:35 wow... did i really just turn mythology into a dirty joke Sep 09 22:12:42 * Wolvenhaven has issues Sep 09 22:12:58 oh damn Sep 09 22:13:10 except for the fact that i have a penis Sep 09 22:13:17 but hey, whatevah :) Sep 09 22:13:28 hahah, that was a nice conversation Wolvenhaven was having all by himself :) Sep 09 22:13:41 i think out loud Sep 09 22:14:01 specially in irc where i can go back and read it and go "wow, that's ANOTHER brilliant idea i've come up with while drunk" Sep 09 22:14:01 and thinking about my non-existent vag Sep 09 22:14:09 lol Sep 09 22:14:20 well pandora is a woman, so i didn't know if you were or not Sep 09 22:14:27 it was a 50-50 shot Sep 09 22:14:47 yes yes i know, i took the name more from the /box/ but never added that to the handle Sep 09 22:14:57 so its really: pandora['s box]-- Sep 09 22:14:57 oh ok Sep 09 22:15:09 so what you're saying is you're a giant pussy? Sep 09 22:15:14 or, vase, depending on which version of the myth you subscribe to Sep 09 22:15:20 you need to work on your self esteem :P Sep 09 22:15:23 clearly Sep 09 22:15:30 lol Sep 09 22:15:51 i'm having to refresh myself on java, and beans and xml and stuff Sep 09 22:16:00 and it makes me want to bash my head in Sep 09 22:24:14 Wolvenhaven: heh what for? Sep 09 22:24:36 javabeans are nice when they're abstracted through a smart system like groovy/grails Sep 09 22:25:09 where all properties are really just javabean getter/setter calls, abstracted out through the groovy interpreter Sep 09 22:25:59 because i'm hopefully getting a programming job Sep 09 22:26:09 and they showed me the source code and told me how they were doing it Sep 09 22:26:11 those are overrated Sep 09 22:26:23 programming jobs? Sep 09 22:26:28 yup Sep 09 22:26:28 :p Sep 09 22:26:33 lol dude i'm 20 Sep 09 22:26:41 this honestly will be my first real job ever Sep 09 22:26:42 * halfhalo is 19 Sep 09 22:26:47 and it's better than flipping burgers Sep 09 22:26:55 * halfhalo has a webdev programming job Sep 09 22:27:06 i did that for years but through my school Sep 09 22:27:08 so i didn't get paid for it Sep 09 22:27:27 i'm excited about it Sep 09 22:27:32 * halfhalo is certified by the state of california as a webmaster due to a class in highschool Sep 09 22:27:54 computer programming causes cancer according to the state of california Sep 09 22:28:04 heh Sep 09 22:28:18 * halfhalo likes webdev. Its not real programin Sep 09 22:28:27 halfhalo: i had no idea CA certified webmasters Sep 09 22:28:39 Eh, its through Ventura County ROP Sep 09 22:28:42 * Tibfib bets halfhalo made a few people mad with that statement Sep 09 22:28:56 * halfhalo doesn't care Sep 09 22:28:57 i depends on the language you use really Sep 09 22:29:07 * halfhalo has a quiz in a computer class he doesn't want to take Sep 09 22:29:16 * halfhalo does rails/php Sep 09 22:29:18 i have a bigass quiz tomorrow Sep 09 22:29:28 but not for programming Sep 09 22:29:31 my compsci quizzes are so stupid Sep 09 22:29:40 at the FAA for my helicopter pilot license Sep 09 22:29:40 you can take them as many times as you want before the deadline Sep 09 22:29:41 w00t Sep 09 22:29:45 * halfhalo is in a "conceptual" class Sep 09 22:29:46 * Tibfib has a chem test tomorrow. shmeh Sep 09 22:29:50 and they tell you which ones you got wrong Sep 09 22:29:56 so you just open a new tab and guess again Sep 09 22:29:59 lol Sep 09 22:30:17 my teacher never understood why all the quizzes were so "easy" and we all got 100s Sep 09 22:30:36 nice pandora, i'd love to finish up my fixed wing but it got too expensive Sep 09 22:30:45 grrr Sep 09 22:30:50 Really don't want to take it Sep 09 22:31:13 Wolvenhaven: yeah, heli is about 2x per hour Sep 09 22:31:23 glad to be through with that part of it Sep 09 22:31:24 hah Sep 09 22:31:32 the one i was doing was like $5k, halfway through it went to $15k and i said no thanks Sep 09 22:31:43 15k for fixed wing?????? Sep 09 22:31:46 jeebz Sep 09 22:31:53 for private or commercial? Sep 09 22:32:01 yea, ground school, 40 hours, and gas Sep 09 22:32:03 private Sep 09 22:32:10 single engine Sep 09 22:32:38 ya man, 15k is ridiculous Sep 09 22:32:46 5k is about right for fixed wing Sep 09 22:32:57 yea Sep 09 22:32:59 whatchutalkinaboutwillis? Sep 09 22:33:03 porn Sep 09 22:33:14 oh I see Sep 09 22:33:17 makes perfect sense Sep 09 22:33:19 i'm probably just going to wait till i've got money, and get both my fixed and rotary at once Sep 09 22:33:33 yeah it's a good idea to go fixed to rotary if you can Sep 09 22:33:40 much cheaper/easier that way Sep 09 22:33:48 i did a couple hours in a helo cause my instructor had both Sep 09 22:33:51 and it was amazing Sep 09 22:33:58 but, i never really was into fixed, so helis all the way for me Sep 09 22:34:05 yeah it's fun :) Sep 09 22:34:15 especially if you're by the beach Sep 09 22:34:19 nice Sep 09 22:34:31 i did my training in long beach, cruising the coast is sweeeeeeeet Sep 09 22:34:33 even with the like additional 400lbs of the safety skids it was awesome Sep 09 22:34:46 safety skids? Sep 09 22:35:05 yea, they attach giant metal arms to the skids that have beachball sized balls on the ends Sep 09 22:35:20 wow crazy Sep 09 22:35:20 and they're sprung Sep 09 22:35:26 it's so you don't flip it landing Sep 09 22:35:31 yeah i've seen those on R/C helicopters Sep 09 22:35:32 lol Sep 09 22:35:48 yea Sep 09 22:35:51 giant version of that Sep 09 22:36:09 I love how twitter just doesn't load for me... Sep 09 22:36:20 bbl quizy timy Sep 09 22:36:34 the problem is Sep 09 22:36:43 i need to make a LOT of money to do all the stuff i want to do Sep 09 22:36:54 :) Sep 09 22:36:57 you guys have your own private helicopters too? Sep 09 22:37:04 programming is a good place to be for funding that stuff Sep 09 22:37:06 I fly mine everywhere Sep 09 22:37:17 alexfner: i rent an r22 Sep 09 22:37:20 yea, i'm also good with stocks Sep 09 22:37:30 i flew a 2 seater egg beater, i forget who made it Sep 09 22:37:38 i think it was a bell Sep 09 22:37:54 do you ever spill fresh, hot espresso on your lap while you're in the bus and think "I shouldn't have brought this on the bus in this tiny cup without a lid" Sep 09 22:38:21 the thing is, i want a BMP-1 eventually too Sep 09 22:38:24 and those are expensive Sep 09 22:38:37 Wolvenhaven: a little difficult to be good with stocks right now. things are pretty damn sideways unfortunately Sep 09 22:38:49 that's why you short stock Sep 09 22:39:10 shorting works if it's actually going down Sep 09 22:39:15 hah Sep 09 22:39:17 porn app...wow, I can't believe nobody has thought of that yet Sep 09 22:39:19 so damn sideways right now Sep 09 22:39:23 yea it is Sep 09 22:39:30 i made a ton off of dell though Sep 09 22:39:41 shorted the stock the second i heard about that hardware defect Sep 09 22:39:44 yeah some are up and some are down of course, just generally sideways for the past few weeks Sep 09 22:39:48 nice Sep 09 22:40:02 and netflix was going up and down about $20 a week for like a month and a half Sep 09 22:40:13 then instead of going back down they went up $40 and i lost a ton :P Sep 09 22:40:18 lol Sep 09 22:40:24 yup Sep 09 22:40:30 i pulled from SBUX early too Sep 09 22:40:36 still made a great chunk on it Sep 09 22:40:39 i've also been holding onto some nvidia stock for liek 4 years now Sep 09 22:40:44 because the tanked Sep 09 22:40:46 hahahha nice Sep 09 22:40:48 and i've yet to break even Sep 09 22:40:56 ya they had a great run for a while Sep 09 22:41:00 as horrible as the whole oil spill thing was Sep 09 22:41:04 teach me the ways of the stock market Sep 09 22:41:07 that was a great run of money for me Sep 09 22:41:12 actually, screw that Sep 09 22:41:13 alexfner: amazon.com Sep 09 22:41:20 the stock market will never appreciate at the level of my student loans Sep 09 22:41:27 hehehe Sep 09 22:41:29 HAH! I win! Sep 09 22:41:29 http://www.investopedia.com/ Sep 09 22:41:38 you can play a virtual market Sep 09 22:41:39 to learn how Sep 09 22:41:50 they've got some awesome teaching guides too Sep 09 22:42:12 what's funny is with etrade, if you move stocks between portfolios, it thinks you paid $0 for them Sep 09 22:42:29 so i've got some portfolios that have like a 10,000% return rate Sep 09 22:42:30 hahaha up 183848234% Sep 09 22:42:32 plus figure in 15% capital gains at the end of your time Sep 09 22:42:35 actually Sep 09 22:42:37 prolly 20% Sep 09 22:42:50 Wolvenhaven: any gold/silver? Sep 09 22:42:51 not worth it Sep 09 22:42:54 I've got a better idea Sep 09 22:42:56 no Sep 09 22:43:08 * sugardave does DRIPs. Sep 09 22:43:09 i only play around with about $5k at any one time Sep 09 22:43:12 you make your own website, and allow people to send in ideas that they want funded, technology oriented ideas Sep 09 22:43:21 then you get to choose which one's to fund with your own money Sep 09 22:43:25 and some day make it big Sep 09 22:43:26 after i hit a certain profit, i shunt it all into a savings account, and start from the seed again Sep 09 22:43:42 i don't make as much money as i could that way, cause i could make serious money using all of it Sep 09 22:43:49 but i also don't risk more than 10-20% of it Sep 09 22:43:53 sure for the risk Sep 09 22:44:02 smart Sep 09 22:44:18 it works Sep 09 22:44:35 paid for school, spending money, and some other stuff Sep 09 22:44:43 nice Sep 09 22:44:45 i wasn't allowed to touch the money until recently Sep 09 22:44:50 just sue people, I hear you can make a lot of money doing that... Sep 09 22:44:50 why? Sep 09 22:44:52 cause my dad was executor of my account Sep 09 22:45:02 Wolvenhaven: ah Sep 09 22:45:11 heh Sep 09 22:45:22 i was allowed to do whatever i wanted with it inside the account, but i couldn't withdraw any Sep 09 22:45:31 interesting Sep 09 22:45:42 cause honestly i would spend most of it Sep 09 22:46:29 Robdor: Hey rob, if I want to get some information about the two bodies that collide in chipmunk, do I use cpArbiter? Or what would be the appropriate way in the callback? Sep 09 22:46:32 well, stocks are shit right now, but realestate is a good place to go if you have the $ Sep 09 22:46:33 speaking of suing people....does anybody know why there's a class action suit against HP/Palm? Sep 09 22:46:45 I got this thing in the mail today Sep 09 22:46:48 the touchscreen thing dave Sep 09 22:46:51 sugardave: yeah Sep 09 22:46:54 they're sueing everyone Sep 09 22:46:56 really? Sep 09 22:47:00 yea Sep 09 22:47:05 something about multitouch Sep 09 22:47:05 what is wrong with the touchscreen? Sep 09 22:47:06 sugardave: I'd assume most companies have at least one class action suit against them at a time Sep 09 22:47:15 apple has a patent on multitouch Sep 09 22:47:17 they're suing apple, hp, ms, and some other people Sep 09 22:47:26 so how does that apply to us? Sep 09 22:47:32 sugardave: are you an HP stockholder? Sep 09 22:47:39 alexfner: I had some PALM Sep 09 22:47:51 lol, i shorted palm Sep 09 22:47:54 and felt really bad about it Sep 09 22:47:58 hp* Sep 09 22:48:00 I don't know how to short stocks Sep 09 22:48:06 lol Sep 09 22:48:07 I understand it for options Sep 09 22:48:13 sugardave: same thing Sep 09 22:48:17 it's reverse stocks dave Sep 09 22:48:19 or, same principle rather Sep 09 22:48:26 wait, so someone explain this lawsuit, a link? Sep 09 22:48:27 you know the stock is going to go down Sep 09 22:48:45 so what you do is you borrow say 10 shares of the stock from someone, and promise to return the stocks at a later date Sep 09 22:49:00 alexfner: I'm looking at this description...it seems more related to the accquisition/merger Sep 09 22:49:26 i know there was a suit against the former HP CEO Sep 09 22:49:26 Wolvenhaven: ah, I got it Sep 09 22:49:29 but maybe that's different Sep 09 22:49:30 so you bought the stocks for $40, you spent $400 doing it, the stocks go from $40 to $10, which is a $300 difference, you buy 10 stocks at $10 and return them Sep 09 22:49:49 so you make $300 Sep 09 22:49:53 neat Sep 09 22:49:59 identical to buying them low and selling them high Sep 09 22:50:10 only instead of betting on the company doing good, you bet on them doing bad Sep 09 22:50:21 so as long as the market isn't being dumb like it is now Sep 09 22:50:25 you can make money regardless Sep 09 22:50:55 i don't touch options, i play with them in simulators but they're too risky for me to actually do Sep 09 22:52:08 i'm still kicking myself for not shorting transocean and bp Sep 09 22:52:19 i made a lot on their rebound Sep 09 22:52:28 but nothing compared to what people would have made on the fall Sep 09 22:52:53 alexfner: Sorry, I didn't notice my icon bouncing. You can get the shapes with an arbiter cpArbiterGetShapes(arb, &a, &b) and then get the body from the shapes. Sep 09 22:53:06 my understanding of shorting stocks is you are actually screwing everyone else over pretty badly and causing the market to be even more unstable Sep 09 22:53:20 its a fairly unethical practice isnt it ? Sep 09 22:53:30 i don't think so Sep 09 22:53:57 Robdor: werd, thanks dood Sep 09 22:54:27 the stock market is simply making investments for financial gains. if you know a company will do good, bet on it, if you know they're going to do bad, may as well bet on it Sep 09 22:54:27 im just repeating what a friend told me honestly but hes generally knowledgable on the topic Sep 09 22:54:28 techrush: short stocks have just been vilified, but they are pretty necessary Sep 09 22:54:29 i could be wrong Sep 09 22:54:37 i don't let ethics get in the way of me making money Sep 09 22:54:39 alexfner: no problem Sep 09 22:54:49 Wolvenhaven, you should have been a lawyer then Sep 09 22:54:52 techrush: they are a way of voting that a company has made a bad decision, or many bad decisions Sep 09 22:54:53 lol Sep 09 22:54:56 techrush++ Sep 09 22:55:20 seriously i think that is the mindset of a succesful attourney Sep 09 22:55:30 i have disney, apple, citigroup, microsoft, bp, transocean and other stocks Sep 09 22:55:32 although probably the mindset of a succesful trader also Sep 09 22:55:43 if i let my personal feelings dictate what i bought, i wouldn't have any of those Sep 09 22:56:13 techrush: let's say you saw a certain company was overleveraging itself, and providing insurance on overvalued mortgages, for example Sep 09 22:56:26 lol Sep 09 22:56:48 then know where to position yourself on that stock, because it's going to do /something/ big Sep 09 22:56:48 techrush: you could short said company (AIG anyone?) and make a tremendous amount of money, but you'd also be serving to try and discourage the practices of that company Sep 09 22:56:57 but here's the thing Sep 09 22:57:04 the issue is not short selling in itself Sep 09 22:57:14 in that case, i waited until it ate shit, and just bought Citi really low Sep 09 22:57:14 :) Sep 09 22:57:33 yep Sep 09 22:57:41 i got citi for like $3.something Sep 09 22:57:57 but that all the financial companies work together to craft deals, so what is to prohibit them from intentionally making what look like bad decisions, making a tremendous amount of money, then shorting themselves as they watch it all crash and burn Sep 09 22:58:18 There was a hedge fund called Magnetar, they appear to have done this, although it will be hard to prove Sep 09 22:58:34 Wolvenhaven: exactly Sep 09 22:58:47 i got bp and transocean for like $20s Sep 09 22:58:54 now they're like $40 and $60 respectively Sep 09 22:58:58 they essentially artificially propped up CDOs (Collateralized debt obligations) while shorting the CDOs they were propping up Sep 09 22:59:10 got me? Sep 09 22:59:14 did everyone follow that? Sep 09 22:59:15 yup Sep 09 22:59:19 yea, but it goes along with eating your own seed corn Sep 09 22:59:19 You're going to have a test next week Sep 09 22:59:29 yeah no doubt there's LOTS of shady operations in the financial industry Sep 09 22:59:30 so you better understand the material Sep 09 22:59:33 if you poison your market like that Sep 09 22:59:34 it's the foundation Sep 09 22:59:36 it will die Sep 09 22:59:54 sure a couple of groups do it, there is a way to cheat at everything Sep 09 23:00:04 but if it was a majority thing, no one would trust the market and it would collapse Sep 09 23:00:06 planet money and this american life did a whole show with propublica about Magnetar, it was excellent Sep 09 23:01:03 i understand it Sep 09 23:01:11 but honestly, i'm making money and i'm good at it Sep 09 23:01:20 when i stop making money i'm out Sep 09 23:01:48 so it doesn't really bother me if the system is corrupt or ideal Sep 09 23:02:13 that's a really shitty and greedy way to look at it, but that's how i treat it Sep 09 23:02:30 Wolvenhaven, did they base the movie american psycho off of you ? Sep 09 23:02:35 lol Sep 09 23:02:50 i always thought these people at least didnt really get that they were being shitty and greedy Sep 09 23:02:57 but you are well aware of it Sep 09 23:03:01 what would you do if you found a dead monkey in your car when you went to the parking lot, and you knew that you had upset the ringmaster at the local circus? Sep 09 23:03:07 it is clear that you have been framed for monkey murder Sep 09 23:03:09 what do you do? Sep 09 23:03:46 how fresh is the monkey corpse ? can i still take it home and eat it ? Sep 09 23:03:50 lol Sep 09 23:03:54 always wanted to eat monkey brain ever since i saw indiana jones Sep 09 23:03:57 you can do... whatever... to it Sep 09 23:03:59 mmmm stewwww Sep 09 23:04:00 as long as it died in a humane manner it's not a crime Sep 09 23:04:10 I'm going to make a game called monkey murder, it's going to be a cheap rip off of Clue! Sep 09 23:04:17 lol Sep 09 23:04:28 Wolvenhaven: there's blood all over the front seat of your new car Sep 09 23:04:40 "Local variables are 60 percent to 26 times faster than global variables for tight inner loops." O_O Sep 09 23:04:48 i drive a 9 year old truck :P Sep 09 23:04:56 Wolvenhaven: well, this is all hypothetical Sep 09 23:04:59 lol Sep 09 23:05:31 i doubt anyone would want to mess with me though :P Sep 09 23:05:57 I got a great video today of some crazy preacher guy in the diag Sep 09 23:06:01 diag = quad Sep 09 23:06:08 i love them Sep 09 23:06:13 they visit my school twice a year Sep 09 23:06:21 and stand in the "freedom of speech" circle Sep 09 23:06:31 yeah, we have some regulars, but this guy was just in town for like this week Sep 09 23:06:36 ah Sep 09 23:06:49 what normally happens is we'll bring beers and sit and listen Sep 09 23:06:53 he was making such abhorrent statements that it broke down to people just mocking him Sep 09 23:06:57 passing around cigarettes Sep 09 23:07:03 and then the GSA people show up and start making out Sep 09 23:07:17 some hippies started a drum circle where their beats were centered around his preaching Sep 09 23:07:26 and then they would scream out crazy hippy stuff Sep 09 23:07:43 and then the christian fellowship people show up and start preaching real christianity overtop the crazies Sep 09 23:07:50 good times Sep 09 23:07:53 everyone skips class Sep 09 23:07:59 and some guy (who was being sarcastic) had a sock on his hand that he would talk about the book of cotton and stuff, he was making all sorts of references to clothes, it was entertaining Sep 09 23:08:08 lol Sep 09 23:08:14 we had some FSM people show up to mock them Sep 09 23:08:16 it was awesome Sep 09 23:08:19 nice Sep 09 23:08:23 FSM? Sep 09 23:08:29 flying spaghetti monster Sep 09 23:08:30 flying spaghetti monster Sep 09 23:08:39 and his noodly appendage Sep 09 23:08:41 ramen Sep 09 23:08:56 what college is this? Sep 09 23:09:05 it's a big thing Sep 09 23:09:08 it's not just my college Sep 09 23:09:27 a guy created it to counter the intelligent design people who were forcing ID into school science books Sep 09 23:09:34 oh I see Sep 09 23:09:38 yeah I have heard of that Sep 09 23:09:39 and it became a kind of viral cult classic thing Sep 09 23:09:40 nice Sep 09 23:09:44 yeah they denied evolution and stuff Sep 09 23:09:57 and I was like "what do you think when you look up in the sky and see stars?" Sep 09 23:10:12 ours are brother max and little john Sep 09 23:10:26 and then these somewhat moderate christians wanted to talk to me, and that wasn't so bad Sep 09 23:10:42 alexfner: stars are the tiny pinholes in the sack cloth that god puts over the earth at night Sep 09 23:11:17 OH I SEE Sep 09 23:11:30 they also wanted to claim that the earth was 7k old Sep 09 23:11:44 and this guy wanted to make all public institutions private Sep 09 23:11:48 to which I just laughed Sep 09 23:11:54 cause I go to U Michigan Sep 09 23:12:08 7? them's heretics then....all the good lord's flock knows the earth is only 6000 years old Sep 09 23:12:37 it was weird, he was invoking scientific arguments in all sorts of completely wrong ways Sep 09 23:12:42 i love the ones who go on and on about how looking at a girl not wearing puritain clothes is a sin and stuff Sep 09 23:12:52 it's not weird dude, it's how they are Sep 09 23:13:05 guess they should poke out their eyes, then Sep 09 23:13:05 and I was like, "yo dawg, I heard you like god in your science so I put some irrationality in your science so you can lie while you God" Sep 09 23:13:08 that's normal for them, corrupting and bastardizing something for their uses Sep 09 23:13:30 seriously, we need to get this dropbox stuff figured out Sep 09 23:13:33 I have growl Sep 09 23:13:46 and seeing 400 messages a day about files deleted/added is absurd Sep 09 23:13:49 I actuallt have people like this in my extended family Sep 09 23:14:04 alexfner: you got dropbox IM, too?!?! Sep 09 23:14:10 werd Sep 09 23:14:19 it's awesome Sep 09 23:14:32 no, I'm a member of a very popular dropbox group where everyone shares pictures of their cats and dogs Sep 09 23:14:53 lol Sep 09 23:15:06 i get my puppy saturday Sep 09 23:15:12 nice Sep 09 23:15:17 so I upload a zip of my cat pictures, and a zip of my dog pictures Sep 09 23:15:18 mine is sleeping at my feet right now Sep 09 23:15:23 and someone keeps unzipping themin the dropbox Sep 09 23:15:31 my cat is next to me Sep 09 23:15:44 unleashing hundreds of cat and dog pictures upon the dropbox :) Sep 09 23:15:45 idiots that dont understand how dropbox works Sep 09 23:15:50 by puppy i mean 85lbs monster 10 month old dog Sep 09 23:15:53 dawm|laptop: yup. Sep 09 23:16:04 my dropbox was 'full' @ 128% Sep 09 23:16:08 lies Sep 09 23:16:14 cause there were multiple copies of the same crap Sep 09 23:16:45 wtf.. martha stewart makes dog toys now? Sep 09 23:16:50 I just need to remove my dropbox IM client and rely on the web interface instead Sep 09 23:18:15 wow Sep 09 23:18:29 my linux laptop and webos phone can't find each other with bluetooth Sep 09 23:18:33 mooooooooooo Sep 09 23:18:41 Their both linux, what do you expect Sep 09 23:18:49 "Reversing loop conditions so that they count down instead of up can double the speed of loops. Counting down to zero with the decrement operator (i--) is faster than counting up to a number of iterations with the increment operator (i++)." wow Sep 09 23:19:02 bull Sep 09 23:19:20 idk this giuy seems to know what he's talking about Sep 09 23:19:31 I call BULL SHIT Sep 09 23:19:50 Wolvenhaven: only if your laptop can search for HID devices via bluetooth Sep 09 23:19:52 I'm totally gonna optimize the crap outta my code after I'm done with this page Sep 09 23:20:01 the pre is pretty limited on it's bluetooth features Sep 09 23:20:02 it found it after a good 3 minutes pandora Sep 09 23:20:03 all these things I've been doing wrong lol Sep 09 23:20:04 (very) Sep 09 23:20:13 Wolvenhaven: cool Sep 09 23:20:16 douglas crockford hates ++ and -- Sep 09 23:20:20 wow Sep 09 23:20:22 don't piss him off Sep 09 23:20:23 LOOK GAIS IM DOING STUFF BACKWARDS AND IT WORKS! Sep 09 23:20:24 Anivrom: can I see the specific page you're referring to? Sep 09 23:20:26 i can't bluetooth pictures to my computer? Sep 09 23:20:33 THATS BECAUSE ITS BROKAN! Sep 09 23:20:36 http://homepage.mac.com/rue/JS_Optimization_Techniques/ Sep 09 23:20:55 it doesn't make any sense that a virtual machine would be made to do things that no one does faster than things that everyone does Sep 09 23:20:56 Wolvenhaven: nope :) Sep 09 23:21:00 ugh Sep 09 23:21:03 I am going to point out that is running of a .mac page Sep 09 23:21:09 now i gotta go unplug my stupid hockey puck Sep 09 23:21:10 Wolvenhaven: thats what i'm sayin, bluetooth is only for HID for the pre Sep 09 23:21:13 _nothing_ on .mac pagges are real Sep 09 23:21:13 and steal that cable Sep 09 23:21:21 just to transfer these pictures Sep 09 23:21:28 Wolvenhaven: just the headset, and car stuff mostly. Sep 09 23:21:29 haeffb_pre: hah Sep 09 23:21:33 halfhalo: hah Sep 09 23:21:38 haeffb_pre: you didn't see anything Sep 09 23:21:42 * maik jedi mind wave Sep 09 23:21:57 i pity the fooooooooool that falls in love with you Sep 09 23:22:13 these are not the droids I'm looking for Sep 09 23:22:56 ok, that js optimization stuff may work on some crappier js engines Sep 09 23:23:00 except your using v8 Sep 09 23:23:15 Anivrom: your best bet is to read about optimizations for v8 Sep 09 23:23:17 http://code.google.com/apis/v8/design.html Sep 09 23:23:37 Wow you read the whole thing that fast? Sep 09 23:23:40 * halfhalo has chrome as his default browser but it brokked Sep 09 23:23:42 *sarcasm* Sep 09 23:23:45 * halfhalo is getting pissed off Sep 09 23:24:03 no, I skimmed, and I didn't find validity in it Sep 09 23:24:05 It's got alot of tips not related to js engines Sep 09 23:24:06 I mean Sep 09 23:24:11 some of it is just duh worthy Sep 09 23:24:24 other stuff is really more v8 dependent than anything else Sep 09 23:24:34 so you're better off to focus on how v8 works Sep 09 23:25:14 lulz Sep 09 23:25:21 the chess array thing is funny Sep 09 23:25:49 I'll get you Jason Gillespie Sep 09 23:25:55 you and that other guy Sep 09 23:26:06 ? Sep 09 23:26:18 ? Sep 09 23:26:32 murder Sep 09 23:26:37 butter? Sep 09 23:26:48 meh Sep 09 23:27:28 I don't care how many times I've made this joke Sep 09 23:27:33 it's still funny Sep 09 23:28:18 I'm going to make an app called internet explorer that opens a bunch of security holes, displays webpages improperly, overlays "sucks" over comptetitor logos, and crashes every few minutes Sep 09 23:28:31 just like the real thing! Sep 09 23:28:38 did I miss anything? Sep 09 23:29:00 oh, and it has ActiveX plugins... Sep 09 23:29:06 lulz Sep 09 23:29:37 taking an intro to login class along side discrete math Sep 09 23:29:41 stuff is so stimulating Sep 09 23:29:49 it's my cocaine Sep 09 23:29:55 logic* Sep 09 23:29:57 not login Sep 09 23:30:00 that didn't make any sense Sep 09 23:30:05 lies Sep 09 23:30:07 philosophy - intro to logic Sep 09 23:30:17 and discrete math Sep 09 23:30:19 there we go Sep 09 23:32:30 in school? Sep 09 23:32:40 werd Sep 09 23:33:20 i hate math Sep 09 23:33:28 math is so great! Sep 09 23:33:30 come on! Sep 09 23:33:34 let's have a math party! Sep 09 23:33:37 * Anivrom pukes on math Sep 09 23:33:45 Seriously? Sep 09 23:33:54 I'm not bad at it I just dont like it Sep 09 23:33:54 who here doesn't like math, but does like programming? Sep 09 23:34:11 Those are perfectly harmoneous states Sep 09 23:34:15 of being* Sep 09 23:34:21 keep in mind I will judge you very harshly for your response Sep 09 23:34:24 i like em both :) Sep 09 23:34:32 When programming ina high level language the need for math is reduced Sep 09 23:34:38 therefore you can not like math and be a programmer Sep 09 23:34:41 * pandora-- joins alexfner's math party Sep 09 23:34:47 * pandora-- brings the pi Sep 09 23:34:52 LOL? Sep 09 23:35:02 cherry.pi Sep 09 23:35:02 booya! Sep 09 23:35:05 lol Sep 09 23:35:16 i love programming Sep 09 23:35:21 and i'm good at it Sep 09 23:35:21 it'd be pi.cherry =D Sep 09 23:35:22 i suck at math Sep 09 23:35:24 I've forgotten so much math Sep 09 23:35:24 cherry.pi = ohschnapps Sep 09 23:35:36 pi.apple Sep 09 23:35:37 i have never EVER had a programming problem that required me to use all the bullshit they've taught me Sep 09 23:35:55 I find that hard to believe Sep 09 23:36:05 alexfner: that link you gave never really helped any in optimization. I'll stick with my halfbaked link. Sep 09 23:36:15 i can turn an equasion into a method just fine Sep 09 23:36:18 that's simple Sep 09 23:36:26 but i personally have a very hard time doing it myself Sep 09 23:36:38 Anivrom: hah, well I guess it just explains talking points for v8 Sep 09 23:36:45 let me see if I can dig up something better Sep 09 23:36:49 i ended up writing about a 100 micro programs to pass my math classes Sep 09 23:36:56 I can google it myself :) Sep 09 23:36:59 that would solve, including all the work, everything for the tests Sep 09 23:37:13 this isn't google, I have a dungeon where I keep this stuff Sep 09 23:37:36 and a man servant named Dazzler who is basically the dungeon librarian Sep 09 23:37:54 lol Sep 09 23:37:58 "It puts the lotion on it's skin, or else it gets the hose again" Sep 09 23:38:02 kind of like that Sep 09 23:38:13 haha Sep 09 23:38:41 no wonder http://www.thewildernessdowntown.com/ states that it should be run in chrome. Chrome runs V8, never knew that Sep 09 23:38:55 I ran it in firefox and my computer shot me in the face Sep 09 23:39:00 and downloaded chrome for me Sep 09 23:39:03 and installed it Sep 09 23:39:07 and then terminated you Sep 09 23:39:19 uhh Sep 09 23:39:25 well im still alive so apparently not :) Sep 09 23:39:33 guess not Sep 09 23:39:39 i > mycomputer Sep 09 23:39:45 it must have had a segment fault Sep 09 23:41:34 i'm getting so tired of the "you must have silverlight installed" crap i'm seeing more and more Sep 09 23:42:07 someone needs to compile a list and DDoS all those sites Sep 09 23:42:10 Ok I have no clue why my minigame starts hiccuping after about 10 seconds of runtime. I'm not doing any new object creation except for pushing and shifting an array element once every few seconds. Sep 09 23:42:13 haha Sep 09 23:42:25 I know a guy who's got an ARMY of hosts Sep 09 23:42:30 * halfhalo does Sep 09 23:42:31 Anivrom: can I see some code ? :) Sep 09 23:42:40 I don't mind going through it Sep 09 23:42:49 but you just have to show me yours and I'll show you mine :) Sep 09 23:43:01 * Anivrom throws up Sep 09 23:43:05 lol Sep 09 23:43:10 .......damn misuse of words!?! Sep 09 23:43:20 anyone ever seen Arrested Development? Sep 09 23:43:26 <-- Tobias Sep 09 23:44:20 gotta get this edited function from internalz Sep 09 23:47:11 alexfner: There's always money in the banana stand *wink* Sep 09 23:48:02 http://pastebin.com/TFuc3BmG Sep 09 23:48:13 hahaha Sep 09 23:48:21 dohtem nice Sep 09 23:49:23 i's like to get the DVDs and start over Sep 09 23:49:37 catch all the episodes I missed Sep 09 23:50:29 i just realized how close webOS 2.0 is to web 2.0 :( Sep 09 23:50:36 2.1 cant come soon enough! Sep 09 23:52:03 67K web developers have released 4K apps to the apple store Sep 09 23:52:07 those numbers seem odd Sep 09 23:52:26 63k apps were rejected Sep 09 23:52:30 lol! Sep 09 23:52:40 for no reason other than "the great lord jobs says no" Sep 09 23:52:41 sorry, mised the tie-in, that's with appcelerator titanium Sep 09 23:52:42 61k apps are crapplets which arent counted Sep 09 23:53:08 i think the best bit is apple's original 1984 comercial Sep 09 23:53:17 and now they've become the personification of it Sep 09 23:53:33 Anivrom: want to give me an idea of what I am looking at here? I looked over it but there aren't any comments :) Sep 09 23:53:51 who needs comments? Sep 09 23:53:57 MainLoop is the animation loop? Sep 09 23:54:01 yar Sep 09 23:54:08 other programmers to try and understand your code Sep 09 23:54:19 I dont program so others can figure it out :P Sep 09 23:54:24 lol Sep 09 23:54:35 what is the newTargetCounter stuff? Sep 09 23:54:50 randon items that drop from the sky Sep 09 23:54:57 in 4 columns Sep 09 23:55:13 I make comments like // This is really bad Sep 09 23:55:56 the target counter increments to the countermax at which point it resets and adds a new falling object Sep 09 23:56:19 Anivrom: one thing I am thinking about is those pngs Sep 09 23:56:25 what about them Sep 09 23:56:30 you may be a lot better off to go with .gifs Sep 09 23:56:39 Gifs look horrible Sep 09 23:56:50 BITMAPS! Sep 09 23:56:52 The edges get all crusty like 10 day old underwear Sep 09 23:56:57 that should all just depend on how you compress them? Sep 09 23:57:01 No Sep 09 23:57:08 They are only 256 colours Sep 09 23:57:13 the edges dont fade gracefully Sep 09 23:59:36 I dont get why its fine up until a certain point and then starts stuttering Sep 09 23:59:51 The objects I push into the array only hold refs to teh imgs Sep 10 00:00:07 and simple numeric values for the other subproperties Sep 10 00:00:18 I t hink it's triggering GC but I dont know why Sep 10 00:03:57 hmm Sep 10 00:05:10 I gotta take the bg being drawn every fram out and put it in my ctxBG but for some reason nothing shows up when I draw to ctxBG Sep 10 00:06:18 I wonder if canvas attempts to draw pixels outside the bounds of the canvas element Sep 10 00:06:28 if so thats alot of wasted cycles Sep 10 00:06:43 if you're redrawing the bg every frame, that's a bit of a performance killer Sep 10 00:06:51 especially if it's a large image Sep 10 00:06:59 you might just want to embed it in a div and leave it there Sep 10 00:07:01 Yea but I already planned to take it out Sep 10 00:07:04 or make it an image tag Sep 10 00:07:09 so that is definitely going to hurt Sep 10 00:07:12 Nah I just have a bg ctx Sep 10 00:07:49 but I wanted to get the code up and running last night without optimizing so I just threw it in the main loop Sep 10 00:07:49 another thing Sep 10 00:07:50 ping Roy-Pre1011 Sep 10 00:09:16 Anivrom: you appear to be creating new objects each time newTarget is called, could you reuse those objects that are already created instead? Sep 10 00:09:24 how often does that fire? Sep 10 00:09:32 well Sep 10 00:09:58 main loop triggers about 40 times a second and it counts up to 10-70 Sep 10 00:10:04 for now, gets faster over time Sep 10 00:11:05 I was thinking bout reusing them but I have to figure out the logic Sep 10 00:11:29 reusing objects is going to be a lot faster and fire GC less Sep 10 00:11:59 cause if that .push is firing once a second, it should be taking up quite a bit of memory pretty quickly Sep 10 00:12:01 idk about alot faster and I can't imagine it's the cause of my gc issues Sep 10 00:12:46 I dont see how a 4 prop object can trigger GC in under 10 seconds Sep 10 00:12:54 4 prop? Sep 10 00:13:00 4 property Sep 10 00:13:01 SOMEBODY GET ROY ONT HE PHONE Sep 10 00:13:06 how large is the array becoming? Sep 10 00:13:29 it gets shifted when the old object reaches the bottom of the screen Sep 10 00:13:42 so its only 1-5 big at any given time Sep 10 00:13:52 and its not holding anything but refs and simple numbers Sep 10 00:14:47 I think I might have been reaching my loop performance cap which was causing the stuttering Sep 10 00:14:59 yeah I'm just going through stuff with ya Sep 10 00:15:04 not trying to cause any issue Sep 10 00:15:56 so when you're pushing and popping on the array, you're creating memory and then removing it's references Sep 10 00:15:58 I moved the bg draw to my canvas BG element and things seem to be smooth which is why I think I reached my frame performance cap Sep 10 00:16:01 so that could trigger a GC Sep 10 00:16:05 Yea I know but its so minimal Sep 10 00:16:16 yeah but it's part of a continuous loop Sep 10 00:16:56 * When allocations fail due to memory shortages. Sep 10 00:16:57 * When webOS detects high memory pressure (i.e. low memory availability that can lead to the “Too Many Cards” prompt), and requests a clean up. Sep 10 00:16:59 * When the device is idle. Sep 10 00:17:11 I doubt I'm fulfulling any of those conditions with the objects I'm creating Sep 10 00:17:49 I was thinking out the logic on how to make the array static today Sep 10 00:17:53 so its in the works Sep 10 00:18:19 I mean I don't see too much in here that is that bad, aside from super long references Sep 10 00:18:31 mhmmm Sep 10 00:18:42 I'm gonna ref out all the img vars Sep 10 00:18:50 since they get used every loop Sep 10 00:19:07 so I might suggest giving this.characters.pet it's own .draw() function Sep 10 00:19:20 idk if it will make that much of a differnce in V8. based on that website it sounds like they do a good job handling scope chains Sep 10 00:19:21 that way everything for the pet stays inside the pet Sep 10 00:19:37 hmm Sep 10 00:19:43 we don't want pet guts in the main Sep 10 00:20:14 Guess I could put the draw function at the top of the character object tree Sep 10 00:20:37 that way your animation loop is just calling a few draw() functions Sep 10 00:20:47 and inside those draw functions the scope is entirely local Sep 10 00:20:49 wtf.. they have new ipod touches? Sep 10 00:20:51 well it will still be calling all of them Sep 10 00:21:14 right, but it doesn't have to do this.characters.pet.img.src Sep 10 00:21:20 it could just do this.img.src Sep 10 00:21:35 You mean this.characters.pet.img Sep 10 00:21:47 And I was gonna create a ref for all img's Sep 10 00:22:02 this.petImg Sep 10 00:22:03 and multiply that times the fifty or so times it's done in the program, and the 30 times a second Sep 10 00:22:06 this.catImg Sep 10 00:23:14 all I'm saying is that you've put everything inside the MgCatChaseAssistant.prototype, and you might want to consider compartmentalizing your code a bit more Sep 10 00:23:25 ellaborate Sep 10 00:23:35 I dont know how js interprets scope and stuffs Sep 10 00:23:48 if anyone else wants to chime in as well it would be appreciated Sep 10 00:24:01 js is function-scoped Sep 10 00:24:04 function cat() {} Sep 10 00:24:05 that's what I know Sep 10 00:24:09 lol Sep 10 00:24:10 so here's what you do Sep 10 00:24:18 for the characters and scenery and stuff Sep 10 00:24:23 * Anivrom pats sugardave on the head and gives him a cookie Sep 10 00:24:46 you create objects, and add to their prototypes the relative code for those objects Sep 10 00:24:47 but you can persist something beyond the life of its function by using a closure Sep 10 00:24:52 so for cat Sep 10 00:24:59 cat.protype = { Sep 10 00:25:09 this.src = "blah.png"; Sep 10 00:25:15 this.x = 127 Sep 10 00:25:19 etc. etc. Sep 10 00:25:23 this.draw() { Sep 10 00:25:27 drawcode Sep 10 00:25:29 }} Sep 10 00:25:53 then create an instance of cat inside MgCatChaseAssistant Sep 10 00:25:59 's prototype Sep 10 00:26:24 so MgCatChaseAssistant.prototype's setup function would have something like this Sep 10 00:26:35 this.cat = new cat(); Sep 10 00:27:04 this is the most object oriented approach I can think of Sep 10 00:27:09 right now it seems to all sort of be in one stream Sep 10 00:27:22 I like Crockford's durable object method...you don't use new Sep 10 00:27:24 and everything sits on the assistant's prototype, constantly staying in one large memory tree Sep 10 00:27:43 you could also do this.cat = cat.prototype; I suppose Sep 10 00:27:44 sugardave: you must have watched the same youtube vid I did Sep 10 00:27:50 nope Sep 10 00:27:53 I read the book Sep 10 00:28:00 vid was based on teh book Sep 10 00:28:04 so same thing Sep 10 00:28:04 and then wrote my stuff Sep 10 00:28:08 and it's awesome Sep 10 00:28:24 do you see the difference in what I described Anivrom? Sep 10 00:28:36 Yes. Just dont know exactly how to actualize it Sep 10 00:28:42 Since I dont fully understand the concept Sep 10 00:28:44 but its ok Sep 10 00:28:53 I'll go with what I got and see if I need more perf Sep 10 00:28:59 funkatron: yo Sep 10 00:29:05 I could rewrite your code when I go home and show you, if you have any interest Sep 10 00:29:10 lol Sep 10 00:29:41 I'm not interested in you writing my code for me. I'd rather figure it out myself so I better understand it Sep 10 00:30:06 alright Sep 10 00:30:14 well I can give you a link to something taht is closer to the idea Sep 10 00:30:20 sure Sep 10 00:30:57 anyone with any experience with a scene not scrolling when nodes are appended to the body? Sep 10 00:31:12 clintandrewhall_: is your scene scroller disabled? Sep 10 00:31:26 heh Sep 10 00:31:30 start at the beginning Sep 10 00:31:36 sugardave: I'm using PhoneGap... I'm not sure? Sep 10 00:31:43 oh Sep 10 00:32:04 Anivrom: I made this a while ago, I actually don't ever use javascript new anywhere. Ignore the event management code, it's absolute shit. But take a look at how I structured the main object Sep 10 00:32:05 http://alexhaefner.com/editor-unstable.html Sep 10 00:32:24 that's more of what I am talking about Sep 10 00:33:07 sorry, hiccup Sep 10 00:34:33 clintandrewhall: never used phonegap, you'd have to find the generated code where it does something like pushScene(...) Sep 10 00:34:41 and see if it is disabling the scene scroller Sep 10 00:35:06 I've been looking through that code... it's very simple, and I see nothing like that Sep 10 00:35:12 hmm Sep 10 00:35:18 no Mojo at all? Sep 10 00:35:23 the assistant pushes the scene, that's about it Sep 10 00:35:32 clintandrewhall: maybe you can post the relevant snippet to pastebin.com Sep 10 00:35:33 I'm pulling it up now Sep 10 00:35:40 anivrom: sure Sep 10 00:36:55 Anivrom: sorry I was not more helpful, but hopefully that link's source will be helpful Sep 10 00:36:57 I am going to bo Sep 10 00:36:59 go* Sep 10 00:37:01 bbl Sep 10 00:37:05 peace Sep 10 00:37:27 the relevant code is here: http://github.com/phonegap/phonegap-palm/blob/master/framework/www/app/assistants/First-assistant.js Sep 10 00:38:04 When I append children or nodes on line 26, the view will not scroll Sep 10 00:39:52 perhaps I'm not appending to the correct element... I've tried document.body and controller.SceneScroller Sep 10 00:40:44 sceneScroller Sep 10 00:40:57 right... sorry, I cap'd it Sep 10 00:41:11 the markup shows up, no scrolling Sep 10 00:41:38 I doubt it matters, but what if you do the DOM appends in .activate() instead of .setup()? Sep 10 00:42:03 I can try that... Sep 10 00:42:24 jus sayin... Sep 10 00:42:49 oh hey Sep 10 00:42:57 real football is about to start Sep 10 00:43:10 morning all Sep 10 00:43:11 nfl? Sep 10 00:43:18 yes Sep 10 00:43:21 LOL Sep 10 00:43:37 ahem, REAL football is actually acronymed CFL Sep 10 00:43:49 3 downs Sep 10 00:44:00 dumb Sep 10 00:44:01 better special teams Sep 10 00:44:11 longer field Sep 10 00:44:14 Bigger ball Sep 10 00:44:24 Harsher weather Sep 10 00:44:29 A Mans Game Sep 10 00:44:37 Puts hair on your chest just watching it Sep 10 00:44:37 and popular all over the world Sep 10 00:44:40 oh wait Sep 10 00:44:53 pfft only cause its united states that the nfl is more popular Sep 10 00:45:09 really...hmmm...I wonder waht Mexico City thinks? Sep 10 00:45:29 Why would mexico city care about anything canada int he first place. Bad reference Sep 10 00:45:30 And the UK Sep 10 00:45:33 i <3 mysqldump Sep 10 00:45:47 dumping DB from one the old server to the new Sep 10 00:45:48 UK doesn't care about football period. Sep 10 00:45:53 US or CAn Sep 10 00:45:59 untrue Sep 10 00:46:19 200mb forum db mirrored almost instantly ;D Sep 10 00:46:24 canada is big with football? Sep 10 00:46:31 face it, nfl players might as well be wearing skirts and handing flowers out to each other Sep 10 00:46:43 LoneStar99: Fairly big Sep 10 00:46:46 not as big as hockey Sep 10 00:46:52 Which we CRUSH america in Sep 10 00:47:18 hi all! Sep 10 00:47:26 *vancouver 2010* cough* Sep 10 00:48:01 yeah, help a canadian doctor with his yard today Sep 10 00:49:24 they are friends of my folks, i think he spent $20,000 on a palm tree once Sep 10 00:50:06 only 2 or 1 other palm tree in the US like it Sep 10 00:54:54 kesne is back in school.. no wonder he did not have time to debug his app Sep 10 00:55:03 aye Sep 10 00:55:58 how was your first day of school? Sep 10 00:56:08 any bullies? Sep 10 01:00:16 just tried google instant, it is no big deal... not a great innovation Sep 10 01:00:48 as reported by some tech sites..."the greatest innovation is search..." Sep 10 01:06:02 hey guys: nook or kindle? Sep 10 01:06:29 kindle, Sep 10 01:06:46 atleast want to buy a kindle Sep 10 01:07:51 Yeah, the real problem is I can get a nook tomorrow but a kindle will be like a month Sep 10 01:08:49 ugh ares refuses to launch my app.... Sep 10 01:08:58 yeah, saw that there is a waiting list Sep 10 01:08:59 dont know whether its my phone or ares Sep 10 01:09:19 * halfhalo has kindles Sep 10 01:09:33 halfhalo: nice, want to get one, soon! Sep 10 01:09:50 * Anivrom is waiting for palmpad Sep 10 01:10:15 kesnse you around? Sep 10 01:10:52 kesne, have question about some emoticon chart you linked to some days ago Sep 10 01:11:01 ok Sep 10 01:11:09 hey guys Sep 10 01:11:12 i have a project for someone Sep 10 01:11:15 http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003ZVSHB0?ie=UTF8&tag=tecex04-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=B003ZVSHB0 Sep 10 01:11:25 kesne: what u mean about webos support? Sep 10 01:11:26 the controller software they are releasing is for the iphone Sep 10 01:11:28 but it's open source Sep 10 01:11:39 so someone can write control software for other phones Sep 10 01:11:44 someone write a webos version Sep 10 01:11:45 LoneStar99: It shows up in the messaging app Sep 10 01:11:51 cause i'm buying one of those helos Sep 10 01:12:21 brb restarting Sep 10 01:12:24 kesne: palm native messaging app? Sep 10 01:12:54 LoneStar99: yes Sep 10 01:14:30 oh ok, i was thinking, webos would automatically parse json and add some funny icons Sep 10 01:16:45 halfhalo: how is the kindle? Sep 10 01:16:55 I spent like 30 minutes playing with a nook at B&N today Sep 10 01:17:02 it's kind of slow Sep 10 01:17:09 the kindle is awesome Sep 10 01:17:26 Not the e-ink part, I know that is going to be slow. The touch screen part was laggy too Sep 10 01:36:57 So I just put in an order for a Kindle Sep 10 01:37:17 They can't give a confirmed delivery date but they expect it to ship on the 20th Sep 10 01:47:48 sugardave: the icon sux Sep 10 01:47:59 and get a real splash screen.. Sep 10 01:48:13 Bmyers: WHAT?! You gotta be kidding me...I spent hours on that icon Sep 10 01:48:21 its lame dude... Sep 10 01:48:23 shoulda outsourced to moi Sep 10 01:48:39 looks like an icon for an outhouse app Sep 10 01:48:43 haha Sep 10 01:48:54 poopty pants? Sep 10 01:48:56 :P Sep 10 01:49:02 i gotta sign up or u gots some creds for me? Sep 10 01:49:23 Bmyers: no signup required Sep 10 01:49:33 oh Sep 10 01:49:40 that's just there in case there is some radioreference.com registered stuff I add Sep 10 01:49:48 ok Sep 10 01:50:54 connecting.. Sep 10 01:51:02 it will do that for a while Sep 10 01:51:11 not sure if there's anything I can do to speed it up Sep 10 01:51:11 design feature? Sep 10 01:51:25 hi guys! Sep 10 01:51:30 hi JenP Sep 10 01:51:34 TQOS! Sep 10 01:51:39 Hey JenP Sep 10 01:51:42 lol Sep 10 01:51:51 I see you're settled into your new place now. Sep 10 01:51:55 says it streaming.. Sep 10 01:52:08 have to wait for someone to actually get arrested or something n ow Sep 10 01:52:13 well no actually i'm sitting in my hotel room right now..but will be home tomorrow Sep 10 01:52:24 oh.......>_> Sep 10 01:52:28 yeah, I'll be adding the "new scanners" and "most listeners" search Sep 10 01:52:39 web cam time? Sep 10 01:52:57 ? why you planning on putting on a show? Sep 10 01:53:08 Bmyers: California Highway Patrol is pretty active Sep 10 01:53:09 g, wrong window.. Sep 10 01:53:20 lolll Sep 10 01:53:26 lol Sep 10 01:53:27 :) Sep 10 01:53:28 I think he wants to see your functions() Sep 10 01:53:31 the one in Japan for the airport traffic control is interesting to listen to Sep 10 01:53:48 lol Sep 10 01:53:48 not if its in japanese Sep 10 01:53:55 wait, what? Sep 10 01:54:05 someone should die here soon.. i'll just wait Sep 10 01:54:09 haeffb! Sep 10 01:54:11 haha Sep 10 01:54:14 hey. Sep 10 01:54:34 i'll just make a 911 call myself and see if it comes thru the scanner app Sep 10 01:54:39 omg Sep 10 01:54:43 lol Sep 10 01:54:50 that sounds like a great idea Sep 10 01:55:03 maybe I should put that in the "what to do if you don't hear anything" help Sep 10 01:55:11 drunken naked woman on the street corner usually works Sep 10 01:55:13 rebuilding search index for a forum, db records went from 256k to over 1million.. and its not done yet ;P Sep 10 01:55:15 i'll go with that again Sep 10 01:56:08 if i minimize the app it;ll still stream? Sep 10 01:56:33 hmm...I think so, it's "media" type so unless something else starts playing that will pause it Sep 10 01:57:04 as nice as the app is to look at i might want to look at other stuff too.. Sep 10 01:57:18 web cam? Sep 10 01:57:22 oh man, but I plan on streaming huge banner ads Sep 10 01:57:53 u can still run the ads Sep 10 01:58:10 but your click thru might not be that good in the background Sep 10 01:58:17 web cam.. Sep 10 01:58:20 yeah, I doubt it :D Sep 10 02:00:07 web cam is webos 2.0 Sep 10 02:00:16 is it really? Sep 10 02:00:17 and/or "roadrunner" Sep 10 02:00:20 sure I'll webcam. Sep 10 02:00:33 and/or C40 Sep 10 02:00:35 I put on my robe and wizard hat Sep 10 02:00:44 I'll grab my heels Sep 10 02:00:45 lol Sep 10 02:01:05 what is that site again? Sep 10 02:01:06 you'll grab your...oh wait I should stop now Sep 10 02:01:09 sounds uncomfortable Sep 10 02:01:13 bash.org Sep 10 02:01:17 lol Sep 10 02:01:19 http://bash.org Sep 10 02:02:07 no one is getting arrested here sugardave Sep 10 02:02:13 i may have to move Sep 10 02:02:31 dug Sep 10 02:02:33 duh Sep 10 02:02:38 http://bash.org/?924892 Sep 10 02:02:45 bloody brits Sep 10 02:02:48 sound was all the way down Sep 10 02:02:56 hahaha Sep 10 02:02:58 hahahhaha Sep 10 02:03:00 yeah, its working.. Sep 10 02:03:05 Bmyers: classic Sep 10 02:03:21 got a 22 on 9th ave Sep 10 02:03:33 what's a 22? Sep 10 02:03:38 dunno... Sep 10 02:03:41 sounds bad tho Sep 10 02:03:44 i've heard 51/50... Sep 10 02:03:51 they are send a few cars Sep 10 02:03:55 5150 Sep 10 02:04:02 good album . Sep 10 02:04:09 dont care what anyone says Sep 10 02:04:29 http://www.radiolabs.com/police-codes.html Sep 10 02:05:01 still streaming in the background Sep 10 02:05:06 hey, that looks like good reference information Sep 10 02:05:10 Bmyers: awesome Sep 10 02:05:36 family dispute... ooohhh.. Sep 10 02:05:48 Bmyers = 507 Sep 10 02:06:04 sugardave: if you'd have included that link, I wouldn't have had so much trouble getting started. Sep 10 02:06:17 lol Sep 10 02:06:25 Public nuisance ? Sep 10 02:06:51 haeffb: :P Sep 10 02:07:18 nodnod Sep 10 02:07:21 390D: drunk AND unconscious Sep 10 02:07:43 * haeffb watching wipeout Sep 10 02:08:06 whats a D.D.L? 10-27 Sep 10 02:08:35 stalled.. Sep 10 02:08:49 it should eventually pick back up Sep 10 02:09:00 i was switching streams Sep 10 02:09:01 hahaah flipping channels and saw jersey shores cat fight Sep 10 02:09:05 ah Sep 10 02:09:12 SNOOKIE Sep 10 02:09:19 LOL Sep 10 02:09:29 born in poughkeepsie i heard Sep 10 02:09:35 lol Sep 10 02:09:51 yeah, channel change kind of sucks....I even completely destroy the old audio object and make a new one, but it seems to want to "finish" something on the old one and you have to wait for the timeout Sep 10 02:10:28 u sound like a programmer now.. Sep 10 02:11:07 it's merely a smokescreen Sep 10 02:11:54 well seems to work sugardave Sep 10 02:12:03 gonna do some polishing on there Sep 10 02:12:09 oh yeah Sep 10 02:12:19 the player model screen it a little awkward Sep 10 02:12:33 wtf does this mean: "Uncaught TypeError: Object function anonymous() { { this.initialize.apply(this, arguments);} } has no method 'pushScene'" Sep 10 02:12:36 the player thing? Sep 10 02:12:50 yeah Sep 10 02:13:03 I will probably turn it and the feed "panel" into real custom dialogs that will look a lot better Sep 10 02:13:03 daddysmurf. Sounds like you're trying to push a scene with the wrong var Sep 10 02:13:21 but I need some placeholders and wondered what it would look like with palm-groups Sep 10 02:13:22 ughh, I hate css Sep 10 02:13:28 interesting, but not great Sep 10 02:13:30 and yes, it hates me too Sep 10 02:13:38 I hate css too Sep 10 02:13:50 I'm back to the same problem of css transitions Sep 10 02:14:54 there is also other radioreference data I can glean from their db, even if it isn't technically included in the published API...I know the guy who runs it :D Sep 10 02:15:14 woot you go sugardave! Sep 10 02:15:46 http://bash.org/?921134 Sep 10 02:16:14 Anivrom: I took all the arguments out of the call: "Mojo.Controller.StageController.pushScene('a-question');" did I miss something? Sep 10 02:16:17 funny Sep 10 02:16:21 slow missle Sep 10 02:16:23 lol Sep 10 02:16:36 daddysmurf: where are running that code? Sep 10 02:16:46 daddysmurf: is that what caused the error or is that how you tried to fix it? Sep 10 02:16:46 that will not work Sep 10 02:16:54 cant do hyphens Sep 10 02:16:56 sugardave: in my initial scene's assistant.js Sep 10 02:16:58 "Mojo.Controller.StageController Sep 10 02:17:02 Anivrom: both Sep 10 02:17:04 stageController Sep 10 02:17:30 this.controller.stageController.pushScene("a-question"); Sep 10 02:17:33 ahhhhhhhhh Sep 10 02:17:34 tytytyty Sep 10 02:17:37 So no hyphens in scene name and stageController Sep 10 02:17:44 Anivrom: untrue Sep 10 02:17:45 or are hyphens allowed? Sep 10 02:17:48 unless, as Bmyers says, you can't use hyphens Sep 10 02:17:51 BMEYERS SAID IT Sep 10 02:17:53 http://www.emergencystream.com/video_streams/CA/SanFrancisco2.html Sep 10 02:17:54 hyphens are allowed Sep 10 02:17:56 it just let me use hyphens Sep 10 02:18:03 ok. underscore? Sep 10 02:18:15 I don't think it liked underscores Sep 10 02:18:19 commercial airplane crashed in cali Sep 10 02:18:27 tried it a couple nights ago, and it failed miserably Sep 10 02:18:30 it_just_let_me_use_hyphens ? Sep 10 02:18:31 one of the two got screwy i though Sep 10 02:18:37 t Sep 10 02:18:51 lol Sep 10 02:19:59 well I just saw something I've never seen before Sep 10 02:20:09 my palm charger came apart, the part of it that plugs into the wall Sep 10 02:20:22 ? Sep 10 02:20:40 it just came apart Sep 10 02:21:07 http://bash.org/?919845 Sep 10 02:21:11 it comes apart, but usually not on its own Sep 10 02:21:15 were you pulling on it? Sep 10 02:21:32 JenP: this is a family channel. Sep 10 02:21:39 haha Sep 10 02:21:42 huh? Sep 10 02:21:48 no the plug!!! Sep 10 02:21:57 the wall thingy Sep 10 02:22:00 what kinda plug? ew Sep 10 02:22:04 usually comes connected when you are born Sep 10 02:22:06 just stop. Sep 10 02:22:18 sugardave: loose the scrollie pill thing. you're just burning up cycles with that Sep 10 02:22:38 wait, my bad. this is NOT a family channel. Sep 10 02:22:43 Bmyers: no can do, its a "killer feature" Sep 10 02:22:51 major sales point Sep 10 02:23:14 10,000 preorders based on that marquee alone Sep 10 02:23:20 hey, it proves -webkit-marquee works :D Sep 10 02:23:22 the pre doesnt have cpu cycles to burn like that Sep 10 02:23:35 its webkit. Sep 10 02:23:40 ultra uber super fast Sep 10 02:24:01 no, it just came apart Sep 10 02:24:19 I can't make it do what I really want though, and it's buggy when you restart Sep 10 02:24:27 it will just show the numeric values sometimes Sep 10 02:24:33 yo sup Sep 10 02:24:48 COLESLAW Sep 10 02:24:52 anyone with a pixi around want to test an app real quick? Sep 10 02:25:05 * Anivrom looks at haeffb Sep 10 02:25:13 * Anivrom looks at jenp Sep 10 02:25:26 * JenP looks at alexfner Sep 10 02:25:36 looks down. Sep 10 02:25:39 * codeslaw looks to the skies. Sep 10 02:26:17 codeslaw: send it Sep 10 02:26:22 or link it Sep 10 02:26:44 just don't pull it Sep 10 02:27:03 yeah bad things happen when you pull on it Sep 10 02:27:24 pm me das email addressj Sep 10 02:27:24 I'd argue good things happen when you pull it Sep 10 02:27:30 http://bash.org/?917681 Sep 10 02:27:36 oh, haeffb : 1.4.5? Sep 10 02:27:43 sprint pixi, yes Sep 10 02:27:48 at gmail Sep 10 02:28:43 * haeffb wants to keep gmail's spam filters employed. Doing my part to help the economy Sep 10 02:29:32 sent Sep 10 02:29:56 hold down one finger, then release to get started Sep 10 02:30:10 1 finger creates a black hole, you can move it Sep 10 02:30:14 2 fingers creates a vortex Sep 10 02:30:22 3 does something i don't like yet and am probably taking out Sep 10 02:30:45 THATS WHAT SHE SAID Sep 10 02:30:57 i halved the particle count for that pixi ipk, since it crapped up swisstom's pixi Sep 10 02:31:05 If you dont like it "yet" maybe you'll lik eit in the future. Just keep trying Sep 10 02:31:21 she said that too.. Sep 10 02:31:28 lol Sep 10 02:31:44 * Anivrom tailored the comment to a specific response Sep 10 02:31:59 and GOT IT Sep 10 02:32:07 * Anivrom high fives bmeyers Sep 10 02:32:10 thing is Anivrom i whipped this one up over the weekend just as a quick 2nd entry into the contest Sep 10 02:32:17 I see Sep 10 02:32:28 i think it's pretty cool and all, but i need to move my efforts to my 2 webos 2.0 apps in progress Sep 10 02:32:49 i might tweak the 3 finger thing and add later, or something Sep 10 02:32:53 send me the source I'll pickup the torch :P Sep 10 02:33:56 seems to be workin Sep 10 02:33:58 hmm, i'd have to consider it Sep 10 02:34:04 haeffb: hows framerate? Sep 10 02:34:29 a little jerky? but Ok. Sep 10 02:34:37 let me try it on the pre to compare. Sep 10 02:34:51 well Pre is going to kickass, that's half as many particles as the pre version Sep 10 02:35:05 i might lower it some more though, does it feel like too few already? Sep 10 02:35:37 you have a pre version I can compare? Sep 10 02:36:10 as far as too few, I'd say no Sep 10 02:36:46 i'm about to send you a dual version, that checks at runtime how many particles to add Sep 10 02:37:27 well time to go pack. I'll tty all later Sep 10 02:37:29 nite Sep 10 02:37:33 later JenP Sep 10 02:40:05 ok honestly why isnt this bloody code working Sep 10 02:40:44 haeffb: sent new ipk, tell me if thats better. lowered and thickened the particles Sep 10 02:40:52 SCREW WEBKIT TRANSITIONS Sep 10 02:41:12 I love webkit transitions...they're so helpful :D Sep 10 02:41:23 not when they dont work! Sep 10 02:41:33 oh, well you have to use the working ones Sep 10 02:43:32 particles are longer on the pixi in the first version than pre in second version Sep 10 02:43:34 sugardave: http://pastebin.com/Mjmk5gPa Sep 10 02:44:12 I know the double 0 opacity is redundant Sep 10 02:44:19 I just noticed, but it should still work Sep 10 02:44:25 hmmm usb is faster on pixi than pre Sep 10 02:44:33 weird Sep 10 02:44:55 how much longer are they on the pixi? twice? Sep 10 02:45:59 i take it back... it just takes longer for them to become short. Sep 10 02:46:13 ah ok Sep 10 02:46:47 anivrom what is not working? Sep 10 02:46:49 I'd say it's "playable" on the pixi. not quite as nice as the pre, but unless you have them side by side, you probably won't notice Sep 10 02:47:04 did you try the 2nd ipk i sent on the pixi? Sep 10 02:47:12 the link I posted Sep 10 02:47:26 yes, that's what i'm comparing now Sep 10 02:48:23 i think i'll go back to 1px wide particles on pixi, should help with performance Sep 10 02:48:52 Anivrom: this won't work? http://pastebin.com/DVLJxS0Q Sep 10 02:49:50 What do you mean when you say its better to set it in the html? Sep 10 02:50:18 thanks for the help haeffb, let me know if you need anything Sep 10 02:50:24 help with an icon or something Sep 10 02:50:30 or beta testing Sep 10 02:51:42 sugardave: so I apply both at once to get it to jump to 100% and scale down and then remove both before doing it again? Sep 10 02:51:45 I tried this before Sep 10 02:53:10 Anivrom: that's why I said it's better to set 'fadeClass' in the HTML Sep 10 02:53:20 I just used your code as an example of how you COULD do it Sep 10 02:53:22 And I asked what exactly that meant Sep 10 02:53:36
Sep 10 02:53:40 I see. Sep 10 02:54:07 then you just add/remove fadeout when appropriate Sep 10 02:54:19 Ok I'll attempt said technique Sep 10 02:55:15 oi6ul,6skou56k56u5iy5u,ky5uy,k4etwymjeyu,meyuik Sep 10 02:55:27 remove it first then add it right? so I dont get duplicate classes? or will it know not to add it twice Sep 10 02:55:47 I think it doesn't do anything if you add it twice Sep 10 02:55:57 if it already has that class, it doesn't do anything Sep 10 02:56:02 ok Sep 10 02:56:24 gah I hate css Sep 10 02:56:45 I've learned inifinitely more than I knew when I started...I love webOS **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Sep 10 02:59:57 2010