**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Sep 12 02:59:57 2010 Sep 12 03:32:14 is there anything within the sdk that recognizes the device has been plugged in via usb and can initiate syncing of files to /media/? Sep 12 03:34:58 not in the sdk, no Sep 12 03:36:39 so if I want users to "sync" their files, they'd have to do it from the computer they're syncing from? Sep 12 04:24:30 * haeffb made it home safely. Sep 12 04:24:40 Mizzou 50, McNeese 6 Sep 12 04:24:45 not much of a game Sep 12 04:24:48 wow Sep 12 04:28:34 * Anivrom is almost done his first minigame Sep 12 04:33:48 nice Sep 12 04:34:26 Hmmm Sep 12 04:34:36 It appears I am going to need to harness the power of multitouch Sep 12 04:34:45 Where's codeslaw! Sep 12 04:35:29 went for some slaw **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Sep 12 04:52:32 2010 Sep 12 04:58:08 Is it possible to get the SDKs for PalmOS anymore? Sep 12 04:59:22 jackman: maybe, but not from palm Sep 12 04:59:36 creationix: I have heard of you, what exactly do you do at creationix? Sep 12 04:59:36 alexfner: do you know of an archive? Sep 12 04:59:43 just out of curiousity Sep 12 04:59:58 jackman: You'd have to look at the people who license PalmOS, as Palm doesn't do that anymore Sep 12 05:00:15 alexfner: I write node libraries and organize community events Sep 12 05:00:32 are you tim by any chance? Sep 12 05:00:39 and provide node support and write blog articles Sep 12 05:00:41 yep Sep 12 05:00:55 ah alright I'll shoot you an email right now Sep 12 05:02:20 howdy alexfner Sep 12 05:03:22 hey LoneStar99 Sep 12 05:03:26 how's it going? Sep 12 05:06:40 good, just chilling tonight, gonna test my product tommorrow Sep 12 05:07:14 alexfner: ahh, now I remember why your name sounded familiar (I just got the email) Sep 12 05:07:25 btw, my kiddos love the game Sep 12 05:07:34 hah that's great Sep 12 05:07:38 I'm always happy to hear that Sep 12 05:07:52 I also feel kind of bad to have hit such a lax development pace as of late Sep 12 05:08:02 have you played with this pdk thing that doesn't run on my ATT pre Sep 12 05:08:08 I have Sep 12 05:08:18 I am working on a game of a similar style using the pdk Sep 12 05:08:25 as I can take advantage of a true physics engine Sep 12 05:08:32 "working" on a game :P Sep 12 05:08:53 ? :) Sep 12 05:09:02 I'm assuming there is no way to force 1.4.5 on my att phone, am I correct? Sep 12 05:09:10 you are correct Sep 12 05:09:38 that sucks. I also have a sprint pre from a friend, but the account is overdue so I can't activate the phone (meaning no app store) Sep 12 05:09:57 ah, that does indeed suck Sep 12 05:10:02 creationx: #webos-internals might have a thing to say about that. Something about comm boards and carrier tokens Sep 12 05:12:20 http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/11/business/economy/11tax.html?src=twt&twt=nytimes Sep 12 05:12:26 interesting read for those politics minded Sep 12 05:14:03 it's interesting Sep 12 05:14:08 whoops wrong chat! Sep 12 05:14:14 but the article is still great Sep 12 05:14:15 so read! Sep 12 05:22:50 whoa Sep 12 05:22:52 no... because it's on the wrong channel, i can't read it Sep 12 05:22:53 it goes against my principles Sep 12 05:23:08 well I am sorry, I apologize, I must! Sep 12 05:24:23 Support your local search and rescue: GET LOST Sep 12 05:25:56 huh? Sep 12 05:26:15 good news and bad news, peeps using bobc, but have bad ratings Sep 12 05:26:35 did you do that ui overhaul like I suggested? Sep 12 05:26:59 who's talking to who? Sep 12 05:27:28 not sure, people just chat to each other, Sep 12 05:27:49 lol! Sep 12 05:27:57 he wasnt talking about bobchatter LoneStar99 Sep 12 05:28:09 oh Sep 12 05:28:54 though the answer is still true Sep 12 05:30:48 haha Sep 12 05:31:09 was thinking the same thing lol. Just didnt have the BALLS to say it Sep 12 05:31:29 what are we talking about, guise? Sep 12 05:31:43 then again, your name IS BALLrog Sep 12 05:33:23 well, do not care about negative feedback, it is free for people to use, and will continue to make it better, but will say happy saturday Sep 12 05:34:40 happy saturday Sep 12 05:36:55 happy sunday Sep 12 05:37:00 here Sep 12 05:37:02 ho ho hum Sep 12 05:37:03 true enough Sep 12 05:43:51 it's getting to the point where the entire app store says "cannot run on your current operating system" : Sep 12 05:43:54 :p vzw-- Sep 12 05:48:01 giving my jeep to the gardener, he is so stoked Sep 12 05:48:31 well cherokee Sep 12 05:48:59 just giving it? Sep 12 05:49:01 got a new vehicle? Sep 12 05:51:42 well, drove it for about 800 miles Sep 12 05:54:05 it is older, like 1995 very long story, but going back with a backpack and 1 luggage bag Sep 12 05:54:21 Goodnight everyone Sep 12 05:54:52 night ani Sep 12 05:55:18 free as in beer Sep 12 05:55:59 going back where? Sep 12 05:57:31 going to back to Sep 12 06:00:00 alexfner: going back, against all odds, this time I will win. Sep 12 06:01:18 going back where? Sep 12 06:01:36 I have never won shit, but life really f-cked me for the past 2 years, so getting that back Sep 12 06:02:25 I see Sep 12 06:04:18 excited, to see if my life could get worse than it was Sep 12 06:05:05 now now Sep 12 06:05:09 optimism is key Sep 12 06:05:41 I would encourage you to look at everything optimistically Sep 12 06:08:51 alexfner: was confused for a long while, now i am ready to take anything down, that took me down Sep 12 06:09:42 non violent? :) Sep 12 06:09:59 yeah Sep 12 06:10:15 what motivates you? Sep 12 06:10:22 if I may ask? Sep 12 06:11:55 innovation Sep 12 06:13:33 why innovation? Sep 12 06:15:49 without innovation the human race is fucked, it would not be any different that monkies Sep 12 06:16:22 yeah but what is innovation? Sep 12 06:16:36 some want to argue that innovation is doing 99% the same, and 1% different Sep 12 06:16:48 what do you think? Sep 12 06:18:52 alexfner: one of the most innovative ideas, is still waiting... Sep 12 06:19:42 how so? Sep 12 06:20:18 it has been overlooked Sep 12 06:20:40 that doesn't make it innovative Sep 12 06:21:09 yes it does, because it can revolutionize everything Sep 12 06:21:36 it has been overlooked Sep 12 06:21:40 but you're being very vague Sep 12 06:21:59 put down the bong Sep 12 06:22:03 making a new product can revolutionize everything Sep 12 06:22:09 have to be vague, Sep 12 06:22:27 innovation is a pretty specific idea to be vague about Sep 12 06:25:11 alexfner: this is one thing that I have that science or theorists do not have. Sep 12 06:25:24 what is that? Sep 12 06:27:02 can not reveal anything, because it is something I want to build, and can be taken away rather quickly Sep 12 06:28:39 I don't understand Sep 12 06:28:44 it is very simple Sep 12 06:30:50 well you're intentionally not making it so, I asked you about what motivates you and you backed into a corner you won't answer anything about :D Sep 12 06:31:09 we should probably just move on... :) Sep 12 06:34:51 yeah. I will see if my theorem works within 7 years. Sep 12 06:35:34 oh you started talking about this the other day Sep 12 06:37:53 http://blog.plover.com/math/Gdl-Smullyan.html Sep 12 06:40:44 alexfner: i have my own theory, Sep 12 06:44:04 which is? Sep 12 06:48:02 a box Sep 12 06:49:12 ...that you don't want to talk about? Sep 12 06:49:18 is it based on mathematics? Sep 12 06:49:50 yeah on mathematics that have not been defined Sep 12 06:50:01 what does that mean? Sep 12 06:51:41 not sure, it is numbers that numbers can not calculate Sep 12 06:53:12 you can calculate the speed of light, and the speed of sound, but can you calculate this... Sep 12 06:54:24 well, I'm just going to go out on a limb here, and say "no". But that's not because *it* might not be calculable, but because I have no idea what the hell *it* is Sep 12 06:55:19 it is very simple Sep 12 06:56:09 simple. simple. simple. Sep 12 06:58:36 alexfner: will chat tommorrow. need to order some sandals Sep 12 06:58:38 it is simple Sep 12 06:58:42 but it is not anything Sep 12 06:58:48 that you can describe to me Sep 12 06:58:50 werd Sep 12 06:58:52 alright Sep 12 06:58:55 ttyl Sep 12 06:59:38 it is a box Sep 12 07:01:57 ok laters Sep 12 07:06:50 oil: burn Sep 12 07:07:12 ? Sep 12 07:14:07 BURN! Sep 12 07:14:11 BURN OIL BURN! MUHAHA **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Sep 12 11:57:28 2010 Sep 12 13:28:40 anyone familiar with the different kernels Sep 12 13:28:51 in what way? Sep 12 13:29:07 i know uberkernal with different speeds Sep 12 13:29:12 i see there are two of them Sep 12 13:29:26 yer Sep 12 13:29:47 there is uber and asnother one Sep 12 13:29:58 what is the differencr and which is better Sep 12 13:30:28 delta dagger is the other one Sep 12 13:30:49 i have not used that one, so can't help :) Sep 12 14:13:08 shoudl i overclock this pre? thinking about 600mhz Sep 12 14:15:37 go for the 800 or 1ghz oc Sep 12 14:15:41 theyre awesome Sep 12 14:25:07 this pre is pass warranty Sep 12 14:25:25 cannot take that chance Sep 12 14:38:27 i run 1ghz Sep 12 14:42:58 that is a high OC Sep 12 14:43:03 50% Sep 12 14:46:12 hmm from std palm yes Sep 12 14:46:21 but palm has underclocked the phone Sep 12 14:46:31 But it is a large increese Sep 12 15:20:34 pygi: heya Sep 12 15:20:42 heya :) Sep 12 15:20:55 so, what's the scoop on the vps? Sep 12 15:21:54 wanna move it over to PM? :) Sep 12 15:22:03 sure :D Sep 12 15:23:54 sekrits Sep 12 15:24:02 always gotta be sekrits Sep 12 15:24:14 * haeffb looking at ExperimentalComboBox widget Sep 12 15:27:19 $L("Morning") Sep 12 15:28:21 $L("Good Morning") Sep 12 15:30:55 haeffb, you wanna know two? :p Sep 12 15:30:58 too* Sep 12 15:31:33 * haeffb doesn't even know what vps means. Sep 12 15:31:45 morning, bmyers et al. Sep 12 15:32:16 there are a number of undocumented "experimental" widgets Sep 12 15:33:56 ExperimentalComboBox ExperimentalGridList ExperimentalWrapAround ExperimentalForm ExperimentalDataDiv Sep 12 15:34:32 i think the ExperimentalWrapAround comes with a free HappyEnding Sep 12 15:35:09 AddressingWidget Sep 12 15:35:21 SmartTextField Sep 12 15:35:32 TruncTextField Sep 12 15:36:03 Pager Sep 12 15:36:06 haeffb, :P Sep 12 15:37:11 @fileOverview This file discusses the Pager Widget class which can be used to ...; Sep 12 15:37:22 kinda leaving us in the dark, there, Palm Sep 12 15:38:47 looks like it's intended to allow scrolling by page Sep 12 15:46:22 ah textfields, got a question for that. my user has the option to change a textfield. controller listens at it with "Mojo.Event.propertyChange" -> Q: after that an alert dialog should ask if he really wants to change. but it pops fast away. stopListening before calling the alertdialog does not work. Sep 12 15:46:39 how this can be solved? Sep 12 15:50:24 when do you show the alert dialog? Sep 12 16:02:18 morning all Sep 12 16:02:40 hi jenp Sep 12 16:02:53 hi Bmyers Sep 12 16:03:22 hows tricks? Sep 12 16:03:36 bleh how bout you? Sep 12 16:04:06 sunday. greyday.. Sep 12 16:04:15 here too Sep 12 16:05:11 hope to some code'n down Sep 12 16:05:29 ? Sep 12 16:05:41 done Sep 12 16:05:50 smiles...me too! Sep 12 16:06:00 what are you working on Sep 12 16:06:14 some updates.. Sep 12 16:06:22 maybe a new feature or two Sep 12 16:06:27 very cool Sep 12 16:06:42 last night i broke my app so i've got to figure out what the hell i did Sep 12 16:07:54 not supposed to break them Sep 12 16:08:05 what can I say...I'm gifted Sep 12 16:08:12 JenP you don't use svn? Sep 12 16:08:43 sure I do...but I like the challenge Sep 12 16:08:51 I wonder what are the chances of a new webos device before year end? chances look a bit slim Sep 12 16:09:44 Deihmos: no idea, but I've got my fingers crossed Sep 12 16:12:44 sunny and 70 deg here Sep 12 16:13:06 very nice Sep 12 16:21:21 haeffb: in the method that saves the pref. Sep 12 16:23:22 haeffb: hrm the method is triggered by the mojo.event.property.change Sep 12 16:25:15 so, it's when your textfield loses focus... Sep 12 16:25:28 the propertyChange event is called. Sep 12 16:25:37 what happens that causes it to lose focus? Sep 12 16:26:13 Deihmos: my opinion the chances are approaching 100% Sep 12 16:27:25 why do you think that Sep 12 16:30:39 haeffb: when the new entry was done, it loose focus. Sep 12 16:31:00 how does it know when it was done? Sep 12 16:31:16 Deihmos: because it's way overdue Sep 12 16:31:29 because 2.0 is in testing Sep 12 16:31:48 because I think it's highly likely that 2.0 will be released on new device(s) Sep 12 16:33:48 haeffb: is there a method like this.item.justLostFocus? :) Sep 12 16:34:24 what are you doing after entering the text? Sep 12 16:35:00 that causes the textfield to lose focus? that triggers the propertyChanged event? Sep 12 16:37:02 ah! if the user taps somewhere else in prefs it work. it just appears when using the back-gesture Sep 12 16:40:19 right. your dialog is a part of the scene. when the scene is popped, so is the dialog. Sep 12 16:41:26 you have a couple of options. 1) would be to catch the Mojo.Event.back (?) event, stop it and show the dialog then popScene() manually Sep 12 16:41:48 2) would be to allow the back gesture as an "undo" and add a "verify" button Sep 12 16:46:38 hi Sep 12 16:47:08 hi MetaView Sep 12 16:48:25 hey hotdp, Swedish? Sep 12 16:48:35 Close Sep 12 16:48:37 Danish Sep 12 16:48:42 you? Sep 12 16:52:11 I'll take a danish Sep 12 16:52:20 * haeffb hungry Sep 12 16:52:25 i'd like a bear claw Sep 12 16:52:43 different country Sep 12 17:48:35 Yer is kind of confussing that you have cookies called "Danish" Sep 12 17:48:44 When people from Denmark is Danish Sep 12 17:54:16 and then theres the whole Berliner thing Sep 12 17:54:29 "I am a jelly donut" Sep 12 18:03:36 haeffb: passing "preventCancel: true" would be maybe an option, but then on back-gesture the card is minimized Sep 12 18:09:06 i see quickoffice is coming to webos finally Sep 12 18:09:16 do you have to wait until 2.0 Sep 12 18:12:04 you can listen for the back event, then event.stopPropagation() or something like that to prevent the card from being popped. search the forums for Mojo.Event.back... ? Sep 12 18:12:21 * haeffb off to play basketball. bbl. Sep 12 18:18:32 hi, how can I check if any file-path is correct and that the file really exists? With Mojo SDK? Sep 12 18:21:15 ...I've a file-path and just wanna check if the file-path is correct -> if the file exists. Sep 12 18:21:24 how can I do this? any ideas? Sep 12 18:35:07 try { } catch () { } should work in Mojo or???? Sep 12 19:04:06 hmmmm > $200.00 in bank account when making $200 credit card payment...two days later, still > $0 when considering the $200.00 payment, yet credit card company returns the payment for "insufficient funds" AND charges me $20 for the privilege....really? Sep 12 19:04:24 I swear, if I had heavy artillery, there would be some problems Sep 12 19:04:45 * halfhalo sends sugardave some heavy artillery Sep 12 19:05:15 awesome, I should strap up the mini-vulcan when I head to the bank tomorrow Sep 12 19:05:34 "I need to talk to a manager....now" Sep 12 19:16:08 anyone has a good start how to make SDL pixi compatible? Sep 12 19:39:09 what did I miss? Sep 12 19:39:36 Just used up the last of my Lloyd Dobler ritual espresso, now I have to return to mighty good #46 Sep 12 19:39:42 how sad, am I correct? Sep 12 19:39:54 * MetaView will not answer Sep 12 19:40:06 MetaView: Damn you!?! Sep 12 19:40:12 sry Sep 12 19:40:17 come on, answer? Sep 12 19:40:29 but I hardly understand your question about the Lloyd Dobler thing Sep 12 19:40:39 well, let me say: Maybe Sep 12 19:40:50 The name of their summer seasonal espresso was the "Lloyd Dobler" Sep 12 19:40:56 ritual coffee is in san francisco Sep 12 19:41:03 ok Sep 12 19:41:03 I had the privilege of going there Sep 12 19:41:09 and ended up leaving with a bag of beans Sep 12 19:41:13 but I am in the midwest now Sep 12 19:41:13 cool Sep 12 19:41:16 and without said beans Sep 12 19:41:20 so this is a sad story? Sep 12 19:41:40 but: I don't drink coffee, I don't ever was in San Francisco Sep 12 19:41:57 sounds not that said, at least for a tea drinker Sep 12 19:42:28 btw, I didn't had a once of Orange Jaiipuur since month, that's sad ;) Sep 12 19:43:09 'tis sad Sep 12 19:43:11 I suppose Sep 12 19:43:17 :) Sep 12 19:48:49 bbl Sep 12 20:23:07 nyone have any recommendations for good tools for choosing complimentary colors? I have a couple base colors, but I really need to mix it up with some variation. Sep 12 20:24:53 http://webdesignledger.com/tools/10-super-useful-tools-for-choosing-the-right-color-palette Sep 12 20:24:59 bah, wrong channel Sep 12 20:25:07 well, i suppse it's relevent :P Sep 12 20:25:08 there's a great adobe site Sep 12 20:25:16 kulers.adobe ? Sep 12 20:25:21 something like that Sep 12 20:25:23 ah, right! Sep 12 20:25:29 thanks Sep 12 20:25:34 you're welcome Sep 12 22:22:03 creationix: good evening Sep 12 22:22:09 evening Sep 12 22:41:55 pandora--: switch (this.fallingTargets[i].imgIndex) { Sep 12 22:41:56 case 0,1,2,3: // do some code Sep 12 22:42:01 orly? Sep 12 22:42:06 can I setup multiple conditions like that? Sep 12 22:42:17 I recall seeing something like that somewhere Sep 12 22:42:41 apparently switch case statements execute faster than if statements Sep 12 22:44:36 yes Sep 12 22:44:44 that would be the proper thing to use Sep 12 22:50:24 * oil has never seen a switch case setup like that Sep 12 22:50:27 with commas that is Sep 12 22:50:33 but that doesn't mean you can't Sep 12 22:50:40 worth a shot Sep 12 22:51:04 ive always done it case 0: case 1: case 2: dosomething(); break; Sep 12 22:51:13 no the commas will probly break Sep 12 22:51:19 yeah, what oil said Sep 12 22:51:33 if you don't break in the case, it flows to the next Sep 12 22:52:38 * Anivrom is switching to if statements Sep 12 22:52:47 speed benefits are minimal Sep 12 22:53:44 JenP: http://www.precentral.net/app-gallery/app-catalog/colorharmony Sep 12 22:54:06 kaervek_: nodnod...yeah I like that one Sep 12 22:54:22 just dawned on me to take a alook in the catalog :P Sep 12 22:54:43 lol oh i'm sorry i thought you wanted something on your desktop PC Sep 12 22:55:13 i did Sep 12 22:55:17 but hey, this works too Sep 12 22:55:20 Anivrom: there's an argument to be made that switch()es are cleaner Sep 12 22:55:38 i prefer them for code style Sep 12 22:55:42 * Anivrom throws the arguement out the window on grounds of stubborness Sep 12 22:55:44 (when appropriate) Sep 12 22:56:06 they do execute a fraction faster though Sep 12 22:56:21 ah, this is brilliant. i love the simple list of all these different schemes. this is going to be indespensable Sep 12 22:57:58 would be nice if i could email the hex from the app Sep 12 22:59:04 anyone know when quickoffice would be out Sep 12 22:59:20 it will be out quick is the word on the street Sep 12 23:01:29 haeffb: ping Sep 12 23:02:08 Heh. Checking your performance via the Date().getTime() method is like Heizenbergs uncertainty principle. if you check the time you lose performance, and if you dont lose performance you dont get the time Sep 12 23:02:27 lol Sep 12 23:02:49 :( Sep 12 23:04:13 is there a way to get the difference, pre- and post-? Sep 12 23:04:16 Mojo's got some kind of perf thing Sep 12 23:04:23 timers for testing, etc. Sep 12 23:04:28 using that to measure the change Sep 12 23:04:33 kaervek_: thats the paradox Sep 12 23:04:40 You can't know the performance without checking it Sep 12 23:04:45 but by checking it it changes the performance Sep 12 23:04:50 ah, right... Sep 12 23:05:26 You can't know the speed of a particle and the location at the same time. If you check the location it loses speed, and it if you check the speed it changes the location Sep 12 23:05:45 framework_config.json: timingEnabled: true or something like that Sep 12 23:05:46 so you have to use probability formulas to guess Sep 12 23:05:52 and things won't collide faster than the speed of light Sep 12 23:05:53 right, because speed is never a constant Sep 12 23:05:57 it's a change in momentum Sep 12 23:06:01 or something lol Sep 12 23:06:03 well no Sep 12 23:06:22 The particles you are checking the location with, (photons) change the location Sep 12 23:06:24 been a long time since i went over physics Sep 12 23:06:42 it's just simpler to say "GOD MADE IT SO" and burn the heretics Sep 12 23:06:45 :P I'm a physics nut Sep 12 23:06:48 i'm tired of learning new shit Sep 12 23:06:54 "went over." that makes it sound like i ever had a firm grasp on it to begin with. Sep 12 23:06:57 ha Sep 12 23:07:05 Wolvenhaven: I agree! Sep 12 23:07:14 I never did physics or chemistry Sep 12 23:07:19 regret not doing physics Sep 12 23:07:27 took me 3 years to grasp relativity though. Sep 12 23:08:09 * sugardave is going to push an update tonight and call out a specific user in the beta notes for being an ass. Sep 12 23:08:23 * Anivrom knows who that user is! Sep 12 23:08:30 ima build a big rocket ship and go slingshotting around in space at a signifigant fraction of C so i can come back in the future Sep 12 23:08:35 it's Garrett B. Sep 12 23:08:43 he gets a big spread in the beta notes Sep 12 23:08:43 Wolvenhaven: .... LOL Sep 12 23:09:30 Logically, since going back in time is not possible, ANY duration of a trip would make you come back in the future haha Sep 12 23:09:48 You meant the distant future Sep 12 23:09:58 yes Sep 12 23:10:07 but to me it'd only be a few months Sep 12 23:10:10 but all of you would be dead Sep 12 23:10:13 and your children too Sep 12 23:10:14 :) Sep 12 23:10:21 damn, this is sounding better and better Sep 12 23:10:36 but then think about all the new things you'd have to learn Sep 12 23:10:42 hell, i'll leave, come back in 5 years relative time Sep 12 23:10:49 and all the hot underage teen stars will be legal Sep 12 23:10:54 but i'll have only aged a few weeks Sep 12 23:11:04 but it wont change the fact that they STILL wont want you LOL Sep 12 23:11:18 dude if i'm the first guy to go forward in time using relativity Sep 12 23:11:26 i'll be the most famous person in the world Sep 12 23:11:59 i'll kidnap justin beiber and bring him with me, so i can threaten the future with him Sep 12 23:12:11 "if you don't let me do this i'll release him on you" Sep 12 23:12:24 it worked for canada Sep 12 23:12:44 the US wouldn't share it's pie, so they released him on us, and look at the devistation he's caused Sep 12 23:13:35 sorry Sep 12 23:13:37 i'm drunkish Sep 12 23:13:39 i ramble Sep 12 23:15:07 lol Sep 12 23:15:24 I'm sober and I still ramble Sep 12 23:16:35 i got all the beer bottles from my friend's bday party this weekend Sep 12 23:16:38 empty and full Sep 12 23:16:45 and i've got like 15 full ones Sep 12 23:16:48 so i'm trying to empty them Sep 12 23:16:52 so i can use them Sep 12 23:17:02 Be swift my friend Sep 12 23:17:41 so when my friends all dump their collections at my house Sep 12 23:17:49 i should have enough bottles for another batch Sep 12 23:17:55 :P Sep 12 23:18:14 use them for what? Sep 12 23:18:20 i make my own beer Sep 12 23:18:22 I cached in a years worth of bottles, like maybe 30-40, and only had enough for a six pack Sep 12 23:18:35 I was thoroughly disappointed Sep 12 23:18:38 lol Sep 12 23:18:47 years worth of bottles for you is 40? Sep 12 23:18:54 that's about a months worth for me Sep 12 23:18:57 I try not to spend too much Sep 12 23:19:06 heh Sep 12 23:19:19 $120+ a month on beer Sep 12 23:19:25 which is why i started making my own Sep 12 23:19:34 and it's pretty good, i'm drinking the first batch now Sep 12 23:20:01 I'd sorta like to learn how to make beer Sep 12 23:20:05 Yeah...i'll stick to shoes Sep 12 23:20:14 rofl Sep 12 23:20:27 I'm glad my wife isnt a clothes monger Sep 12 23:20:31 lol Sep 12 23:20:35 I'm the one that has to buy stuff for her Sep 12 23:20:43 i've got expensive hobbies :P Sep 12 23:20:46 (which is better that way) Sep 12 23:20:58 shooting is really expensive Sep 12 23:21:08 well if you consider remote control planes expensive then mine is fairly expensive Sep 12 23:21:15 the way i drive is expensive(in gas/tires/clutches) Sep 12 23:21:22 beer is expensive Sep 12 23:21:25 heh Sep 12 23:21:36 oh Sep 12 23:21:51 my dad picked up my loaded handgun off my bedside table and asked "is this real?" earlier Sep 12 23:22:17 "idk dad, do you feel lucky?" Sep 12 23:22:28 "no, i keep a fake handgun on my bedside table, next to a loaded spare magazine, in case someone breaks in the house, ofc it's real and it's loaded, put it down" Sep 12 23:22:30 huh? why would you have a loaded hand gun on your bedside table? Sep 12 23:22:33 "well, do ya punk?" Sep 12 23:23:07 are you feelin lucky, dang screwed that ref up Sep 12 23:23:18 lol Sep 12 23:23:33 because i'm lazy gen Sep 12 23:23:36 I shall sob uncontrollably now Sep 12 23:23:36 jen* Sep 12 23:23:49 too much work to unload it, put it away, get it out, load it Sep 12 23:23:52 every time i go somewhere Sep 12 23:24:00 are you a cop? Sep 12 23:24:03 no Sep 12 23:24:11 do you live in compton? Sep 12 23:24:17 nope Sep 12 23:24:30 then why would you need to keep a gun on you at all times? Sep 12 23:24:37 it stays in my truck Sep 12 23:24:45 except when it's not Sep 12 23:24:53 touche Sep 12 23:24:57 if it's not, then i'm in my house Sep 12 23:25:16 soooo....why? Sep 12 23:25:54 cause we've got this awesome problem with parking lot gangs Sep 12 23:26:07 who go after people who are alone Sep 12 23:26:15 where do you live? Sep 12 23:26:18 georgia Sep 12 23:26:22 harlem Sep 12 23:26:27 oh Sep 12 23:26:29 lol Sep 12 23:26:30 :P Sep 12 23:26:33 mostly it's retarded kids my age trying to steal steroes Sep 12 23:26:40 how old are you? Sep 12 23:26:44 but i've dealt with a group of them once already Sep 12 23:26:46 20 Sep 12 23:26:52 stereos and handguns? lol Sep 12 23:26:52 and i'm not doing that again Sep 12 23:27:30 hmmm...well that sucks that you have to arm yourself. I'm sorry Sep 12 23:27:33 they were also doing it really bad in my school's parkinglots around town Sep 12 23:27:51 till they started stationing a police office in every. single. lot. all night to deal with them Sep 12 23:28:08 that is so sad Sep 12 23:28:21 it's darwinism Sep 12 23:28:28 they're going to start getting killed if they keep it up Sep 12 23:29:00 the campus cops get PISSED when a girl gets robbed walking near/at the school campus Sep 12 23:29:17 wonder why? Sep 12 23:29:24 >_> Sep 12 23:29:31 it's always for drug money too Sep 12 23:29:44 the last 3 people they've grabbed were all doing it to pay for cocaine habits Sep 12 23:29:59 that is just so sad Sep 12 23:30:07 they chose to do it Sep 12 23:30:14 My sister was a crack addict Sep 12 23:30:32 i'm perfectly accepting of people using whatever drugs they want Sep 12 23:30:39 as long as they do it by themselves Sep 12 23:30:42 and it doesn't affect me Sep 12 23:31:03 guns != darwinism Sep 12 23:31:04 the second they decide to do something that negatively effects me, is when i start getting pissed Sep 12 23:31:05 I have a different view due to the fact that my sister ruined her life over it. Sep 12 23:31:07 for the record Sep 12 23:31:32 summatusmentis, if one of those guys tries robbing a student in a parking lot, the cop is just going to shoot them without asking questions Sep 12 23:31:47 so they're stupid Sep 12 23:31:50 well..i disagree. I think it's so sad what drugs do to people. Sep 12 23:31:53 doesn't make it darwinism Sep 12 23:31:59 yes it does Sep 12 23:32:06 Anivrom: mine too Sep 12 23:32:11 if you're stupid enough to engage in an act which gets you killed Sep 12 23:32:26 instead of being smart enough to modify your behavior to suit the environment Sep 12 23:32:39 but she's clean now. for about 2 years. she just got married last week Sep 12 23:32:42 justifying murder through evolution is something I can't stand Sep 12 23:33:04 well I've got to go make Sunday dinner. I'll tty all later Sep 12 23:33:05 particularly when "a cop sitting in a parking lot" is not part of the "environment" in the same way Sep 12 23:33:05 it was a great racket for a while, i'm sure they made lots of money, but now that people are taking steps to prevent it, continuing along doing the same thing is stupid Sep 12 23:33:13 JenP: cya Sep 12 23:33:17 cya Sep 12 23:33:48 right, so the reason animals develop camoflague has nothing to do with predators who will kill them, and everything to do with the environment around them Sep 12 23:34:13 it's two separate issues Sep 12 23:34:30 no it isn't Sep 12 23:34:53 dekan: fight Sep 12 23:35:03 * Anivrom fight fight fight fight! Sep 12 23:35:06 they found a niche to exploit, the niche is now gone, continuing to try to exploit it will lead to them being removed, instead of moving on and finding a new niche Sep 12 23:35:59 I understand the parallels Sep 12 23:36:31 and i've dealt with way too many people who are fucked up on drugs and trying to get money to care how that i don't give a shit what happens to them Sep 12 23:36:43 that don't care how* Sep 12 23:47:17 ping Roy-Pre101 Sep 12 23:47:46 ping YourMom Sep 12 23:47:57 don't you start with me! Sep 12 23:47:59 funkatron: yo. Sep 12 23:48:30 Roy-Pre101: can i pick your brain some about some Mojo junk? Sep 12 23:52:10 funkatron: guess thats a silent NO Sep 12 23:52:14 hahah Sep 12 23:53:13 okay, if someone else can help: It seems like if you use the AppAssistant and have in your appinfo.json settings "nowindow":true, your StageAssistant jut never gets run Sep 12 23:53:21 is that correct? am I wrong about that? Sep 12 23:53:53 Gogo gadget OIL Sep 12 23:53:54 or, I should say, if you do createStageWithCallback, how do you say "use this stageAssistant? Sep 12 23:54:12 Gogo gadget oil_pre Sep 12 23:54:14 ? Sep 12 23:54:19 oh hye Sep 12 23:54:21 "assistantName":"StageAssistant" Sep 12 23:54:26 BAM Sep 12 23:54:36 I had solved the problem myself like 6 months ago Sep 12 23:56:35 derp Sep 12 23:57:22 you could just look at wirc source :) Sep 12 23:57:59 hmmm spend 20 minutes looking through source, or ask the person that wrote the source and get the answer in 5 seconds. Sep 12 23:58:04 guys, someone needs to write webos control code for the AR parrot RC drone please Sep 12 23:59:13 it's way beyond my level of ability Sep 13 00:00:03 well, it's not like I didn't spend about half an hour-45m looking myself. I'm def not the type to ask first 8) Sep 13 00:30:14 funkatron: YOu're correct. Sep 13 00:30:29 If you set nowindow to true it runs your app assistant Sep 13 00:30:47 Sorry, you asked just as the dinner bell rang. Sep 13 00:37:02 np! Sep 13 00:38:08 so if we have objects and data we want usable by the whole app Sep 13 00:38:38 I'm setting them as properties of the AppAssistant and then mapping them to be available within each scene Sep 13 00:38:48 like so: sc.app = Mojo.Controller.getAppController().assistant.app; Sep 13 00:39:34 then I can access them from sc.app within the sceneAssistants. Sep 13 00:39:42 I'm wondering if there's a better practice people know of Sep 13 00:43:27 funkatron: you might want to look at the "how we built the facebook app" youtube vid that ben and dion posted Sep 13 00:43:39 when are they gonna release the code for that? Sep 13 00:44:23 funkatron: That's a perfectly good way to do it. Sep 13 00:44:34 is it this one, alexfner? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kj4N1zduGyo Sep 13 00:47:11 funkatron: http://www.youtube.com/user/Palm#p/c/3156EA1DB74F3C75/4/g-Ns-X1BC8s Sep 13 00:47:26 thanks! Sep 13 00:48:41 well, I got Spaz working as a nowindow:true app. yay!w thanks for your help folx Sep 13 00:50:12 great....can't install my app from the beta feed, so can't install the update from the beta feed Sep 13 00:50:53 boom Sep 13 00:51:30 I even rebooted the phone Sep 13 00:51:32 wth? Sep 13 00:53:30 hmmm Sep 13 00:53:40 removed the last 2 apps I had installed and it works now Sep 13 00:55:03 2 PDK apps Sep 13 00:55:09 one with the haxe framework Sep 13 00:55:31 only 17% used on /media/internal Sep 13 01:19:55 my cat is jumping so high for this fly Sep 13 01:20:01 I think the fly is teasing her Sep 13 01:24:07 evening all Sep 13 01:25:07 evening Sep 13 01:27:14 hello anivrom Sep 13 01:27:24 yays Sep 13 01:28:08 sold 10 out of 15 wallets! Sep 13 01:43:47 bah running into my first real performance issues with canvas Sep 13 01:44:41 really, canvs running slow? Sep 13 01:47:29 I'm outprocessing my mainloop Sep 13 01:47:47 it has 55 ms to work with and I'm using it all up in later levels of this minigame Sep 13 01:48:06 you only really notice it when the user taps due to the bounds check on tapping Sep 13 01:48:28 wow, how is the minigame going? any screen shots yet? Sep 13 01:48:32 but I think I have an optimization point. Sep 13 01:48:45 wait no I dont Sep 13 01:49:18 bah its already optimized in that area Sep 13 01:49:27 Minigame is about 1 day from being finished Sep 13 01:50:50 my cat is having entirely way too much fun with this fly Sep 13 01:55:02 sugardave: ping pong Sep 13 01:56:07 nvm. I might have a workaround Sep 13 02:06:11 ++ Sep 13 02:06:51 mad men on now Sep 13 02:36:23 sweet. optimized some more code. That should free up the necessary performance to have the game run smooth Sep 13 02:49:11 nice to here! cheers! Sep 13 02:49:41 Anivrom why optimize? moores law will just render it useless in 6 months :P Sep 13 02:50:02 I need it to function up until those 6 months Sep 13 02:50:26 lol Sep 13 02:50:31 reminds me of the onion movie with the bates 5000 Sep 13 02:50:33 i actually had someone ask that in class last year Sep 13 02:50:56 have you seen that clip? Sep 13 02:51:02 nope Sep 13 02:51:23 WOW YOUTUBE: Why isnt my search query "the simpsons kids these days can be so cruel we can thanks mom" showing any results! I dont get it Sep 13 02:51:52 lol Sep 13 02:52:24 http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/80428486/ most laughter you'll ever have within 3:12 seconds Sep 13 02:56:28 ok maybe exaggerating the last bit. but funny stuff right? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Sep 13 02:59:57 2010