**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Sep 14 02:59:57 2010 Sep 14 05:17:04 FYI: WebOS 1.4.5 is released on the Pre+ for both VZW and AT&T. Sep 14 05:29:15 sooo Sep 14 05:29:25 people can't download URLs on palmos anymore Sep 14 05:29:28 thoughts? Sep 14 05:30:06 anyone use these OC kernels Sep 14 05:30:18 What like uberkernal? Sep 14 05:30:59 yea Sep 14 05:31:14 I was trying govnah but after a reboot it resets to default Sep 14 05:32:06 hmm... Sep 14 05:32:11 Doesn't sound right. Sep 14 05:32:20 vzw 1.4.5 download is c r a w l i n g Sep 14 05:32:44 The 1.4.5 Anticipation Thread on P|C is crawling too. Sep 14 05:33:33 * cxreg is removing any problem patches as the download inches along Sep 14 05:33:52 yea i can't stream an audio file on my palm pre anymore Sep 14 05:33:56 why is that? Sep 14 05:34:58 * Gu1l7y_work "The battery must be at least 30% full before you install the update." Sep 14 05:35:00 wtf! Sep 14 05:35:06 its only at 13% Sep 14 05:39:12 * Gu1l7y_work thinks his battery must be at 21% by now... Sep 14 05:39:26 But its only at 18% Sep 14 05:39:36 any hints if theres a gps fix hidden inside? i'm guessing not Sep 14 05:42:51 Not sure yet. Sep 14 05:43:00 * kesne_pre pokes head in to see if anybody is here. Sep 14 05:44:35 Nobody interesting Sep 14 05:44:47 I'm interesting! Sep 14 05:45:24 Hah, that's funny Sep 14 05:45:51 I was bein serious.. Sep 14 05:45:57 not really! Sep 14 05:46:44 Haha Sep 14 05:47:03 Kesne_pre: I assume the "pre" affix means your wirc'ing on your phone? Sep 14 05:47:18 Aye Sep 14 05:47:34 My assumption confirmed! Sep 14 05:47:37 Had some free time Sep 14 05:47:43 I hear ya. Sep 14 05:47:45 Thought I'd say hello Sep 14 05:47:55 I rarely come here anymore Sep 14 05:48:12 * Gu1l7y_work holds hand up Sep 14 05:48:17 Gimme a high five! Sep 14 05:48:22 Why? Sep 14 05:48:29 I just got the 1.4.5 update. Sep 14 05:48:30 lol Sep 14 05:48:41 * kesne_pre has had that for months Sep 14 05:48:49 buzzkill Sep 14 05:49:16 Hehe Sep 14 05:49:17 That was like below the belt man. Sep 14 05:49:27 Sweet Sep 14 05:49:31 I hate school Sep 14 05:49:41 You in school right now? Sep 14 05:49:55 No Sep 14 05:50:01 I just finished hw Sep 14 05:50:17 hs*? Sep 14 05:50:30 Home work Sep 14 05:50:33 aah Sep 14 05:50:39 I miss doin that. Sep 14 05:50:44 Hah Sep 14 05:50:49 I really do. Sep 14 05:50:52 I just read some descartes Sep 14 05:50:59 eeh Sep 14 05:51:10 This guy is crazy Sep 14 05:51:40 I remember the name, not much else though. Sep 14 05:51:55 Reading it for Psychology Sep 14 05:52:00 My 2nd fav class. Sep 14 05:52:08 Next to Theory of Knowledge Sep 14 05:52:08 1st fav? Sep 14 05:52:11 aah Sep 14 05:52:24 I was more into Physics. Sep 14 05:52:28 Eh Sep 14 05:52:34 I'm in chem Sep 14 05:52:39 EEK! Sep 14 05:52:42 Not really into science Sep 14 05:53:01 Heh Sep 14 05:53:03 I'd rather do history or math than chem. Sep 14 05:53:06 I also like language Sep 14 05:53:10 History is good Sep 14 05:53:13 Math is eh Sep 14 05:53:23 I like anything to do with writing. Sep 14 05:53:27 ie-journalism. Sep 14 05:53:32 It's boring for me, and tedius, and unnessesary. Sep 14 05:53:42 * kesne_pre hates writing essays. Sep 14 05:53:44 ok, lemme rephrase. Sep 14 05:53:56 I like writing things that I'm passionate about. Sep 14 05:54:04 Eh Sep 14 05:54:12 I'm indifferent Sep 14 05:54:19 heh Sep 14 05:54:30 Wrote about 100 articles for an independent student newspaper Sep 14 05:54:50 Yea, that doensn't sound too gr8. Sep 14 05:55:25 Got a job? Sep 14 05:55:43 WebOS dev. Sep 14 05:55:49 Still very young though. Sep 14 05:56:10 Any money in that yet? Sep 14 05:57:12 Few thousand Sep 14 05:57:25 Trying to make some money for college Sep 14 05:57:44 Parents already paying bucketfuls for my brother. Sep 14 05:59:06 Plan to keep developing as a career? Sep 14 05:59:13 Nah Sep 14 05:59:33 Why not? Sep 14 05:59:59 Developing apps is a hobbby, needmore Sep 14 06:00:30 I would. Sorta part-time or on-off... Sep 14 06:01:27 What have you developed? Sep 14 06:01:43 Checkers Sep 14 06:02:23 In the Palm catalog or homebrew? Sep 14 06:03:06 Catalog Sep 14 06:03:37 Sweet, I'll check it out. Sep 14 06:04:04 One of the most popular apps Sep 14 06:05:37 Would you agree that its popularity is in part because of its inherent simplicity and the fact that most people know the game? Sep 14 06:06:26 * Gu1l7y_work scratches head. Sep 14 06:06:35 I think simplicity is the wrong word. Sep 14 06:06:46 Yes, I suppose Sep 14 06:06:58 But I mean, 400,000 downloads... Sep 14 06:07:24 * cxreg enjoys the checkers game, but the AI is a little weak ;) Sep 14 06:07:39 * kesne_pre shoots cxreg. Sep 14 06:07:42 lol Sep 14 06:07:47 Problem solved! Sep 14 06:08:21 * Gu1l7y_work kesne_pre>cxreg Sep 14 06:08:25 lol Sep 14 06:08:32 I'm confused Sep 14 06:08:38 That's so raven! Sep 14 06:08:42 I have to go Sep 14 06:08:45 Farewell Sep 14 06:08:50 * kesne_pre leaves. Sep 14 06:08:53 lata Sep 14 06:08:56 kesne_pre: actually it turns out that you can cheat by keeping pieces in the back row by not jumping a piece when you could Sep 14 06:09:04 that's an illegal move but the game allows it Sep 14 06:09:13 and therefore you defend your homerow forever Sep 14 06:09:17 Illegal is really relative Sep 14 06:09:32 Contact out support dept. Sep 14 06:09:39 They'll deal with you. Sep 14 06:09:43 heh Sep 14 06:09:48 * cxreg shrugs, not that important Sep 14 06:09:51 Seriously Sep 14 06:09:54 I want you to. Sep 14 06:10:07 Support@keen-studios.net Sep 14 06:10:30 Or for me, apps@keen-studios.net Sep 14 06:11:01 ok maybe Sep 14 06:11:24 Or jordan.gensler@keen-studios.net Sep 14 06:11:32 Or pimpdaddy@keen-studios.net Sep 14 06:11:44 Or themotherfuckingceo@keen-studios.net Sep 14 06:11:50 lol Sep 14 06:11:57 whitepants@keen-studios.net Sep 14 06:12:02 ^^ all genuine emails Sep 14 06:12:28 oil_pre: actually, it's whitejeans@keen-studios.net Sep 14 06:12:32 No joke Sep 14 06:12:33 Email them Sep 14 06:12:38 Anyways Sep 14 06:12:44 I really have to go now Sep 14 06:12:45 Bye Sep 14 06:17:16 gps Sep 14 06:17:18 nothing like it Sep 14 06:20:23 I had something to do that I have now completely forgotten Sep 14 06:20:25 that sucks Sep 14 06:24:49 alexfner: vzw? Sep 14 06:26:08 hrm? Sep 14 06:26:36 vzw sprint att bell? Sep 14 06:26:39 lol Sep 14 06:27:30 sprint Sep 14 06:27:40 aah' Sep 14 06:27:43 nvm Sep 14 06:35:42 Can anybody confirm that the app catalog isn't down? i just did my 1.4.5 update and its broken... Sep 14 06:36:22 It works finehere Sep 14 06:36:58 Just started working... Im retarded... Sep 14 07:16:41 <_azdak> man- Mojo mangles prototype a bit Sep 14 07:17:10 <_azdak> I've got an element that will hide() but not remove() Sep 14 07:17:16 <_azdak> bizarre Sep 14 07:33:27 argh, "Named Pages In The Launcher" collides with "Command Line" in 1.4.5 Sep 14 07:34:01 :S Sep 14 07:39:39 * cxreg wants preware-mergetool :) Sep 14 08:05:48 finally I have the new wirc installedd Sep 14 08:06:42 Any better than the old? Sep 14 08:06:59 yeah! Sep 14 08:07:20 how? Sep 14 08:08:02 along with it of course having a lot of new features like dcc chat/send and notify Sep 14 08:09:09 You just get 1.4.5? Sep 14 08:09:18 yep Sep 14 08:09:49 was just released for both vzw and att Sep 14 08:10:48 I was stuck with the very old ver of wirc Sep 14 08:10:52 Yea I got it a lil bit ago. Sep 14 08:11:01 Im just downloading app after app. Sep 14 08:11:54 I had it since 1am est was installing my patches back Sep 14 08:12:30 I got it after the second post on P|C. Sep 14 08:12:38 Notified by email. Sep 14 08:13:13 I didn't even noticed it I constantly check on twitter thou Sep 14 08:14:45 I was resting and didn't check twitter for about an hour when I came back it was released lol Sep 14 08:16:43 I prob woont even get angry birds for a while there is a bunch of other stuff I wanted to check out. main one off the bat was Wirc Sep 14 08:20:47 No, get Angry Birds. I got it like an hour ago and I'm not letting myself play it until I'm off work. If I play it I'll get fired... its sweet. Sep 14 08:21:10 ? Sep 14 08:21:17 You play it so you can get fired? Sep 14 08:21:22 no gps fix Sep 14 08:22:03 well no money in the bank right now Sep 14 08:22:46 so people are still going to be upset about the gps issue Sep 14 08:27:15 going to have to reinstall the GPS fix Sep 14 08:28:59 Why? Sep 14 08:29:10 Have you made sure Google Services is on? Sep 14 08:29:28 Mine works, and the only others I've heard of trying say its working fine. Sep 14 08:30:13 do you use vz nav Sep 14 08:30:27 No. Sep 14 08:30:37 I've got the icon removed. Sep 14 08:31:09 ok when my google services is on it grabs the location that is like 5 miles from me Sep 14 08:31:43 not really 5 miles but a 5mle radius Sep 14 08:31:58 more like 1 mile but still Sep 14 08:32:06 Mines dead on at like less than 3 meters all the time. Sep 14 08:32:15 I can watch myself walk around work. Sep 14 08:33:20 well I can get that but I have to load vz nav for few secs thhen close it Sep 14 08:38:32 strange I have some new icons and I know I uninstalled the unhide developer mode patch but it isn't hidden Sep 14 08:39:09 they ar USB passthru Sep 14 08:39:21 phone prefs Sep 14 08:39:33 first use Sep 14 08:41:21 maybe it's the theme that unhid them Sep 14 13:24:35 morning everyine Sep 14 13:24:59 good morning LoneStar99 Sep 14 13:27:55 morning hotdp Sep 14 13:32:39 hotdp: this a new company http://deemon.in/ Sep 14 13:58:58 Ok so my question is prolly on a forum somewhere but I'm on my pre and can't search right now, govnah won't change my profiles when I select them. Am I "doing it wrong"? Sep 14 14:03:52 haeffb_pre: do you use UK? Sep 14 14:04:20 no, stock. Sep 14 14:04:30 no patches no themes Sep 14 14:05:44 no problems Sep 14 14:06:30 I'd cry without my patches and my eve online theme Sep 14 14:07:03 LoneStar99 serius? Sep 14 14:25:20 Anivrom|pre: losing another one: https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=8876 Sep 14 14:26:10 sugardave like your answer :D Sep 14 14:26:34 thanks :D Sep 14 14:30:21 Meh he pointed out a flaw in webos developing in general. Not just ares. His question could equally have been asked while working in straight mojo. :) Sep 14 14:30:38 face it Sep 14 14:30:40 losing another one Sep 14 14:31:29 except I don't have anything starting at me called 'borderStyle' so I'm not sure the same question would have been asked Sep 14 14:31:32 Lol. I don't really care how many ppl use Ares tbh. Its a preference. I prefer it cause its what I'm used to. Sep 14 14:32:31 I only play the hardcore ares fanatic cause its fun to do so Sep 14 14:32:52 You rarely hear me say "use ares, not mojo" Sep 14 14:33:11 I just like educating ppl on the benefits of ares Sep 14 14:33:16 And there are many Sep 14 14:33:28 I use the Ares debugger now Sep 14 14:33:28 So don't skew the facts :P Sep 14 14:33:32 when I want to kill firefox Sep 14 14:33:47 Heh Sep 14 14:34:26 There are definitely some downfalls to ares and I'm always willing to talk/point them out to ppl Sep 14 14:34:55 * hotdp eats some popcorn Sep 14 14:35:17 popcorn is always great! Sep 14 14:35:23 Nah I'm done. Just want the record to be straight Sep 14 14:35:28 wow, at&t/vzw finally got 1.4.5? Sep 14 14:35:32 yes when there is good conversaion :D Sep 14 14:35:44 That's what I hear Sep 14 14:36:08 I need to come up with some "updates" Sep 14 14:36:17 Someone wa talking about downloafding it last night on vzw Sep 14 14:36:25 He Sep 14 14:36:28 Heh* Sep 14 14:36:56 "What's new in this version - version number changed" Sep 14 14:38:03 "and changed the marquee to "welcome vzw and att customers!" Sep 14 14:43:17 there is still no 1.4.5 for att pixi Sep 14 14:45:04 lame Sep 14 14:45:12 what about their pre plus? Sep 14 14:45:43 pre got it but no pixi Sep 14 14:45:53 interesting Sep 14 14:46:03 yap same thing with verizon Sep 14 14:46:10 pixi got it first few weeks later pre got it Sep 14 14:46:10 ;] Sep 14 14:55:47 Hi everybody Sep 14 14:55:55 hi Robdor Sep 14 15:01:56 Hallelujah! 1.4.5 is finally out for Verizon! Sep 14 15:02:31 u should thank mr. ski mask :D Sep 14 15:03:04 lol Sep 14 15:03:45 Ha ha ha. I sure am thankful to him. Sep 14 15:03:56 why... how is my phone not dead yet.... Sep 14 15:06:50 my batter in pre is at 75% health Sep 14 15:06:50 :S Sep 14 15:07:17 well, I didn't charge it last night, and when I checked just now it was at 38% Sep 14 15:07:25 * sugardave stares down a new 30-year amortization schedule. Sep 14 15:07:52 halfhalo: i mean according ot dr. battery... so the health of my battery went down by 25% over a year Sep 14 15:07:55 :S Sep 14 15:08:01 lol Sep 14 15:08:12 I know my battery has... issues Sep 14 15:08:20 the last 20% really arn't there Sep 14 15:08:22 which sucks... the battery is bad as it is but now it's even worst :S Sep 14 15:08:42 halfhalo: i had the thing happening to me... 35% battery left and in one second 0% left Sep 14 15:08:48 and the phone would shut down lol Sep 14 15:09:44 the point is that I don't want to buy a new batter if new phone will come out soon :P Sep 14 15:10:00 well, I have two other batteries, so its not a big deal Sep 14 15:10:14 i don't ;P Sep 14 15:10:15 and this one is a 1400mAh as well Sep 14 15:10:26 send me one ;d Sep 14 15:10:32 NEIN Sep 14 15:10:43 ;( Sep 14 15:10:46 One is for the dev pre, one came with the pre, bought my aftermarket Sep 14 15:11:10 i c Sep 14 15:11:25 I have a smattering of usb cables and car chargers as well Sep 14 15:11:34 since they were cheeeeeeeep at dev days Sep 14 15:11:48 the wall charger on ebay goes for 10 bucks Sep 14 15:11:53 original one from palm Sep 14 15:11:56 i need to get one Sep 14 15:12:02 heh, I have two Sep 14 15:12:10 I have like 4 touchstones though Sep 14 15:12:15 u suck ;P Sep 14 15:12:51 i got 2 touchstones Sep 14 15:12:57 my sis got one my bro got one Sep 14 15:12:58 ;] Sep 14 15:13:44 hrh Sep 14 15:14:07 i got them cheap from verizon for 10 bucks with car charger Sep 14 15:14:08 ;] Sep 14 15:14:29 I got one when I first got the pre, then another for some reason... then one at dev days and two from radio shack when they were like 20 bucks Sep 14 15:15:05 nice Sep 14 15:16:18 yup Sep 14 15:19:57 * Anivrom|pre has 0 touchstones still Sep 14 15:21:00 But idk how long this usb cord is gonna last so I'm gonna have to fork up some money soon. Although duracelll has that smartpad charging thing which looks good too. Sep 14 15:21:14 Don't think it will work with pre though Sep 14 15:25:54 i dont know how u cant have touchstone... touchstone is great Sep 14 15:28:07 I only have one, but should be getting another one from the hackathon thing at some point Sep 14 15:44:21 anyone else have trouble with webos doctor on x64 windows 7? Sep 14 15:51:54 if anyone wants a handmade US grade Duct Tape wallet, I make them myself Sep 14 15:52:19 http://deemon.in/ Sep 14 15:53:23 current size fits, state IDs, business cards, debit cards, cash folded up Sep 14 15:55:03 will begin selling them in surfshops in San Diego soon Sep 14 16:03:43 sugardave: I agree with you, CTLAdvance does smell like fermenting wheat products Sep 14 16:03:53 Oh hi CTLAdvance Sep 14 16:04:36 lol Sep 14 16:04:42 nice Sep 14 16:06:06 Was talking about ANOTHER CTLAdvance...er... From Liberia. Yea Sep 14 16:06:07 We'll go with that one Sep 14 16:06:34 Hey LoneStar99, do you know of any hints on the subject of the palm "staying awake and keeping the gps online"? I'm just experiencing that no matter what I do, the gps stops working Sep 14 16:07:12 I read that I shouldn't do a activitystop, only activitystart...is that true? Sep 14 16:07:15 plasmasolutions: when does it stop working, when the screen dims? Sep 14 16:07:34 Liberia! Sep 14 16:08:02 the screen dims, it is working some seconds... then stops Sep 14 16:08:55 Any issues with me anivrom? Sep 14 16:11:09 I read some things like: Starting the music player when gps'ing, but this can't be palms solution for real,..is it Sep 14 16:12:45 plasmasolutions: have not messed with GPS, yet, but that behavior is affecting Sep 14 16:13:19 one of my apps, in producing sound when the phone dims Sep 14 16:14:09 But when you're writing an application that keeps on tracking your movements while the device is dimmed you need that working Sep 14 16:14:39 This case is not that special, is it Sep 14 16:23:02 good morning, all Sep 14 16:23:18 good morning Sep 14 16:23:53 morning Sep 14 16:24:05 chuqui, do you know of any solutions to hold the gps online when the device is going to sleep Sep 14 16:24:20 no, I don't. Sep 14 16:24:51 It's really sad, noone is knowing a solution for this case Sep 14 16:26:58 plasmasolutions: startTracking or whatever it is isn't working? Sep 14 16:27:20 startTracking is working as long as the device is not going to sleep Sep 14 16:27:29 hmmm Sep 14 16:27:35 I'm doing a startActivity Sep 14 16:27:36 what carrier? Sep 14 16:27:44 but it doesn't work Sep 14 16:27:48 O2 Germany Sep 14 16:27:56 interesting Sep 14 16:28:03 Yes it is... Sep 14 16:29:43 plasmasolutions: I don't see a 'startActivity' here: http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1673 Sep 14 16:30:36 Yes, that's right...for gps location tracking, you don't need a "startActivity" sequence Sep 14 16:30:53 Chuqui: you are my modern day superhero Sep 14 16:30:57 anyone have any good hosting recommendations Sep 14 16:31:14 CTLAdvance: get one with lots of hdd/ram/bandwidth Sep 14 16:31:22 lol Sep 14 16:31:26 linode ftw Sep 14 16:31:26 But if you'd like to have the tracking continue while your device sleeps, you should signalize: "Hey I'm doing something now!" Sep 14 16:31:26 yes I know that much :) Sep 14 16:32:01 plasmasolutions: what is this 'startActivity' thing, though? Sep 14 16:32:21 One moment sugardave...I'll send you a link Sep 14 16:32:24 k Sep 14 16:33:27 http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1797 Sep 14 16:33:37 Anivrom|pre: (blush) Sep 14 16:33:39 sorry, it's activityStart Sep 14 16:33:55 plasmasolutions: ah, I see...power management stuff...let me read Sep 14 16:34:47 k Sep 14 16:36:31 plasmasolutions: looks like this is reasonable to expect it to live. However, I haven't messed with the gps since last year....I thought it wouldn't need to be messed with, but I guess you're finding otherwise Sep 14 16:37:14 Note to self. 2 wirc channels open makes for 1 slow stock pre Sep 14 16:37:38 Sugardave, Yes I do :D Sep 14 16:37:40 really? that shouldn't be Sep 14 16:39:32 I read that same post when I was considering a background process for my game Sep 14 16:39:44 Looks like they really nerfed it Sep 14 16:40:29 ... it's so annoying Sep 14 16:41:21 I bet. I agree they should up the timeout length to say 1 minute Sep 14 16:42:44 1 minute?! Sep 14 16:42:50 Pre charges like molasses with wirc open as well Sep 14 16:43:02 Yea... Sep 14 16:49:19 * Anivrom|pre blames oil for all wirc complaint as stated above Sep 14 16:49:29 Complaints too Sep 14 16:51:00 Screw this I'm getting a touchstone liak 2day Sep 14 16:51:08 Liak mb Nao Sep 14 17:01:57 <_azdak> wow this is weird Sep 14 17:02:22 <_azdak> for whatever reason .insert() seems to remove the original element Sep 14 17:02:37 <_azdak> it's not *supposed* to work that way, right? Sep 14 17:27:16 @chuqui, ping =) Sep 14 17:28:38 Nyceane: pong Sep 14 17:29:15 chuqui, can i msg you privately? Sep 14 17:29:32 of course... Sep 14 17:36:05 So what do you guys do to market your apps and gain mindshare? It seems that most people that play Plasma Cannon love it, I'm just not sure how to get it onto more phones. Sep 14 17:46:53 webosroundup can give you a review Sep 14 17:47:07 robdor, which rank are you in? Sep 14 17:48:14 63 Sep 14 17:48:39 * Anivrom|pre is on his way to the source too see if he can find a reasonably priced touchstone Sep 14 17:49:44 Nyceane: I think I will be getting a few reviews this week from different webOS sites. I contacted a few last Friday with good responses. Do banner advertisements on sites like webosroundup work well? Sep 14 17:54:20 Wow. Friggin ghetto canadian version of radio shack (the source bought radio shack) doesn't carry touchstone, atall Sep 14 17:55:29 lol Sep 14 17:56:09 Honestly, its like I'm living in the stoneage here. Sep 14 17:57:53 hah Sep 14 18:00:17 all I ask is for proprietary induction harging technology. Is that too much to ask!!??? Sep 14 18:03:43 Ok eve since I installed the new govnah and UK kernel my phone has gone to sludge Sep 14 18:04:29 Randomly ignores touch events requiring turning off/on the screen Sep 14 18:24:01 sugardave: your scan do app falsely shows the first run dialog Sep 14 18:24:10 Shows/showed Sep 14 18:24:17 shocker :p Sep 14 18:24:42 :P Sep 14 18:31:04 hi Sep 14 18:31:31 hi Sep 14 18:31:35 @ submission for app catalog they ask for a "company", tagged with * that it is required. Sep 14 18:31:50 i have no company. did this in my freetime for fun. Sep 14 18:31:50 * halfhalo_pre may have found a wirc bug. AGAIN Sep 14 18:33:15 I just made one up... Sep 14 18:33:42 and what shall i write now? Sep 14 18:34:41 leiru just write you name then ;D Sep 14 18:37:05 hotdp, what does your name mean? Sep 14 18:37:49 Long story Sep 14 18:37:56 But my name is David Petersen Sep 14 18:38:04 the hot is another styre Sep 14 18:38:07 Lol Sep 14 18:38:08 story* Sep 14 18:38:18 Anivrom|pre shut it ;) Sep 14 18:38:56 The storey involves a chimpanzee, a hot air balloon, nd lots of alcohol Sep 14 18:39:01 Story* Sep 14 18:39:25 * halfhalo_pre has tapes Sep 14 18:39:40 Heck its already on youtube Sep 14 18:39:52 Wel... The r rated version of youtube Sep 14 18:41:48 it reminds of me this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80LMoyWD00U Sep 14 18:42:09 * Anivrom|pre is afraid to cclick Sep 14 18:42:17 it's on youtube -_- Sep 14 18:43:19 how long on average does app approval take? Sep 14 18:43:38 anivrom, did you watch the video? Sep 14 18:43:56 egaudet, 2 to 5 days Sep 14 18:48:11 * halfhalo silly silly trillian Sep 14 18:54:18 Nyceane: he Sep 14 18:54:28 Heh* Sep 14 18:54:39 I swear my pre's keys are failing Sep 14 18:54:46 =( Sep 14 18:57:11 heyo Sep 14 18:58:45 hey codeslaw Sep 14 18:58:53 whats up Sep 14 19:01:17 Codeslaw is a code monger Sep 14 19:01:31 lol Sep 14 19:01:39 i horde the stuff Sep 14 19:01:41 Hide your codezzz he'll mong them Sep 14 19:02:01 He tried stealing min yesterday and publishing it as his own Sep 14 19:02:06 Luckily I'm one sly fox Sep 14 19:03:31 Anivrom|pre: how are the keys failing? Not registering a key press? Sep 14 19:03:33 Someone who uses Metrix here? Sep 14 19:03:50 Something like that Sep 14 19:17:52 Anivrom|pre: when did it show the first run dialog incorrectly? Sep 14 19:18:29 On its second run? Sep 14 19:18:44 hmmm, not here Sep 14 19:18:57 are you sure it wasn't the beta notes dialog after a new install? Sep 14 19:19:10 Well as you know sugardave, its rare for a bug to happen consistently :P Sep 14 19:19:11 s/new install/upgrade/ Sep 14 19:19:30 there are 2 potential "first run" dialogs Sep 14 19:19:42 there's a beta notes one that should only show once Sep 14 19:19:51 the other one will show again if you fail to pick a school Sep 14 19:19:53 Hmm, maybe you should call them both first run then :) Sep 14 19:20:29 It said first run as the title and showed directly after I booted up Sep 14 19:20:59 Shouldn't call them both first run* Sep 14 19:21:21 I don't...one is called "first run" and the other is called "beta notes" Sep 14 19:21:36 Well then it was first run Sep 14 19:21:49 did you pick a school? Sep 14 19:21:50 are there any rules in the app catalog against changing system files like icons? Sep 14 19:22:17 even if you can easily switch back? Sep 14 19:22:36 Sugardave: the app in question is scan do remember? Sep 14 19:22:45 Anivrom|pre: oh oh oh Sep 14 19:22:56 I will check it Sep 14 19:22:57 :) Sep 14 19:23:06 got flasher on the brain Sep 14 19:23:55 that one should throw first run if you eschew the manual location info on the preferences page, I will add some other thing to keep it from popping Sep 14 19:24:37 Just ran it again and got first use. Mind you I don't do anything but run it then close it. Maybe your toggle gets triggered at the inappropriate time Sep 14 19:24:58 it won't trigger until you select at least a country from that preferences page Sep 14 19:25:06 Oh Sep 14 19:25:20 Idk if I like thatdecision Sep 14 19:25:21 after that it should just drop you at the main scene Sep 14 19:25:40 they need to go to the preferences page or they're just sitting there like dumbasses Sep 14 19:25:44 Guess its ok Sep 14 19:26:14 the hope is to use GPS to get the initial location...if that works, then this problem will disappear Sep 14 19:27:19 Well tonnes of other apps do it so it shouldn't be hard Sep 14 19:27:39 yeah, my problem is that not all countries are represented by radio reference :D Sep 14 19:27:54 so what to do if someone is in China, for instance Sep 14 19:30:46 Well then check the country like oil does in wirc Sep 14 19:31:56 when did i do that? Sep 14 19:32:10 13 hours in the future Sep 14 19:36:59 ah Sep 14 19:40:19 Oil:I saw a country check function so I assumed it was a gps country check function apparently you're not smart after all Sep 14 19:40:32 HAH Sep 14 19:40:34 /wrists Sep 14 19:40:50 * Anivrom|pre blames oil for oil not being smart Sep 14 19:47:29 * Anivrom|pre waits for a gps country checking version of wirc to be pushed 12 hours 55 minutes in the future Sep 14 19:47:39 lol Sep 14 19:48:10 the country check in wirc might be for which server you got assigned to when you hit irc.freenode.net....but I don't know, really Sep 14 19:48:37 Dangit, that means I'll have to wake up at 3:48 est... Oil, don't wait up for me I'll update in the morning :) Sep 14 19:49:15 no, freenodes server decides which one to send you to when you use irc.freenode.net Sep 14 19:49:16 SuperNES nice Sep 14 19:49:29 It was in packages.js line 700 + - 200 lines Sep 14 19:49:40 no country check Sep 14 19:49:41 Didn't look like much so it must not have done anytging useful Sep 14 19:49:55 if I ever stop being lazy I'll give oil a patch for wirc that fixes a bug in /me statements in private messages Sep 14 19:50:00 BUT... i'm lazy Sep 14 19:50:12 lol Sep 14 19:50:17 Lol Sep 14 19:50:55 you know what app I really miss from android? The gmail client as a native app. I really like the way it does message threading Sep 14 19:51:01 is there something like that for webos? Sep 14 19:51:08 nope Sep 14 19:51:12 opportunity! Sep 14 19:51:14 you can make it! Sep 14 19:51:17 Yup! Sep 14 19:51:22 could someone make it, or is it some crazy google patent Sep 14 19:51:28 lol Sep 14 19:51:34 someone could make it, but were lazy Sep 14 19:51:56 but, thats halfhalos fault Sep 14 19:52:02 I'm not lazy, but have quite the opposite problem, I say yes to too many things Sep 14 19:52:06 lol Sep 14 19:52:11 now I maintain about 50 open source projects Sep 14 19:52:17 ... Sep 14 19:52:21 hotdp: :D Sep 14 19:52:31 :D Sep 14 19:52:33 yours? Sep 14 19:52:49 Developer: dtzTech Sep 14 19:52:53 must be you :P Sep 14 19:53:05 * oil believe it was dtzJim Sep 14 19:53:24 Bed time good night Sep 14 19:55:49 I hate everyone join to the node thing tonight Sep 14 19:56:07 yeah, I never get to do anything fun Sep 14 19:56:59 "gimme some suga', I AM your neighbour!" best line Sep 14 19:57:28 halfhalo: where are you based Sep 14 19:57:34 fly me in and I'mm organize something there Sep 14 19:57:42 * creationix loves to organize node meetups Sep 14 19:58:58 creationix: that would require more than just halfhalo living i n tha area. Last I heard he is a hick in the mountains of tennesee Sep 14 19:59:35 I used to live in the middle of nowhere in western Arkansas Sep 14 19:59:37 it was great Sep 14 19:59:46 I spent my days feeding cows and repearing fences Sep 14 19:59:47 Of course, a party for 2 is always fun, just changes the agenda slightly Sep 14 19:59:56 * oil imagines halfhalo sitting on a porch with a shotgun and like 3 teeth, holding a jug with "XXX" on it Sep 14 19:59:59 Lol Sep 14 20:00:12 You mean repairin' Sep 14 20:00:17 lol Sep 14 20:00:24 Hahaha Sep 14 20:00:31 that's arkansas spelling Sep 14 20:00:37 * Anivrom|pre is started to get the picture Sep 14 20:01:06 The nearest town was 5 miles away, it only had 101 people Sep 14 20:01:08 they don't allow "spelling" in Arkansas....that's like "witchcraft" Sep 14 20:01:13 the nearest gas station was 20 miles away Sep 14 20:01:28 Noice Sep 14 20:01:45 while living with your wife Sep 14 20:01:49 and by wife i mean cousin Sep 14 20:02:00 cousin-aunt Sep 14 20:02:03 lol Sep 14 20:02:03 second cousin Sep 14 20:02:08 first cousin is illegal Sep 14 20:02:11 Bah beat me to the cousin/spouse joke Sep 14 20:02:12 lol Sep 14 20:02:20 creationix: only if somebody tells Sep 14 20:02:23 well, full keyboard > pre keyboard Sep 14 20:02:46 True enough. Still waiting for you to magically fix that somehow oil Sep 14 20:03:06 can the pre use the fancy apple bt keyboards? Sep 14 20:03:14 no Sep 14 20:03:20 that's a shame Sep 14 20:03:27 you could make it so! Sep 14 20:03:42 Pre is diabolically apposed to anything apple. Case and point: itunes compatibility Sep 14 20:03:42 I'm seeing a common theme here... Sep 14 20:03:52 lol Sep 14 20:04:02 what, that there is plenty of development opportunity? Sep 14 20:04:33 person a asks for feature, person b says, no, but you can make it! Sep 14 20:04:53 creationix: stop being so friggin lazy and contribute to the bloody communit already. We are giving you lots of opportunities yet you refuse to work. Sep 14 20:05:10 lol Sep 14 20:05:28 "same as it ever was" Sep 14 20:05:35 don't worry, I have plans... Sep 14 20:05:36 #webos doesn't hav a welfare system, so you're either in or out.. Sep 14 20:06:24 Talking heads: same as it ever was, thanks sugardave now You have that song stuck in my head Sep 14 20:06:41 you are welcome Sep 14 20:07:12 "You are the dancing queen!" Sep 14 20:07:19 Stop! Sep 14 20:07:22 is that better? Sep 14 20:07:28 lol Sep 14 20:07:30 Get outta my head!! Sep 14 20:07:47 oh shit Sep 14 20:07:49 inception! Sep 14 20:07:49 sugardave, now we're talking Sep 14 20:07:54 * Anivrom|pre starts bashing head against wall of cell Sep 14 20:08:03 creationix: I'm near LA Sep 14 20:08:21 cell? thats where your wife keeps you? Sep 14 20:08:29 Yes :( Sep 14 20:08:32 halfhalo: cool, I hope to meet up with the group down there Sep 14 20:08:38 Alls I got is a computer Sep 14 20:08:39 I used to live in Orange County years ago Sep 14 20:08:43 heh Sep 14 20:08:49 women are evil man =| Sep 14 20:08:55 Lol Sep 14 20:08:56 I live in the San Frenando Valley Sep 14 20:08:56 * oil is in washington state Sep 14 20:09:11 Uh oj I smell a relationship hurt storey coming on Sep 14 20:09:12 creationix, i live in LA, i use to live in OC Sep 14 20:09:18 I still wish there was some kind of Palm/HP facility in Austin that we could have a dev days or something at Sep 14 20:09:35 * oil goes back to work Sep 14 20:09:38 * techrush fullerton OC Sep 14 20:09:54 I could have gone for the node thingie, but it meant that I had to miss work and also miss CES since I only have money for one of the two Sep 14 20:10:02 stupid hotel rooms being pricey Sep 14 20:10:03 He speaks! Sep 14 20:10:42 halfhalo: you coulda crashed at my place, why didn't you say something? Sep 14 20:10:56 because you cwazy Sep 14 20:11:11 your wife could've kept him in a cell too Sep 14 20:11:15 halfhalo: easy solution, drive to SF when it's time to sleep and find some sidewalk Sep 14 20:11:24 AND I still have class today and tomorrow Sep 14 20:11:46 sugardave: SF + sidewalk sleeping = soap on a rope Sep 14 20:12:06 but, it's free Sep 14 20:12:28 Butt rape is always free Sep 14 20:12:30 Unless you get mugged Sep 14 20:12:42 Then it cost YOU money to get violated Sep 14 20:12:47 Its a cruel world Sep 14 20:12:59 you mean like paying taxes Sep 14 20:13:09 Yes Sep 14 20:13:28 Can you believe what thedemocrats wanna do with te bush tax cuts Sep 14 20:13:55 * halfhalo can't wait for ces to see what palm has instore Sep 14 20:13:58 Only raise the high income taxes but leave everyone elses low. How is that fair? Sep 14 20:17:00 oh you mean roll back the tax cuts as they were designed to be? Sep 14 20:17:29 Yes. Sep 14 20:18:00 And hurt an already hurting economy Sep 14 20:18:05 yeah, I have a hard time getting worked up about that...if you are making 1/4 million a year and you can't survive unless you have a tax cut, then you deserve to fail Sep 14 20:18:50 Ok so you're gonna take money awa from the ppl that make jobs and stimulate the economy? Sep 14 20:18:59 where are the jobs? Sep 14 20:19:05 where is the stiumated economy? Sep 14 20:19:11 mah pants Sep 14 20:19:12 it's all a buch of bullshit Sep 14 20:19:52 let's see...give a smal number of rich people some tax cuts so they can sit on the money, or give it to a much larger pool of people who actually need to spend it to live Sep 14 20:19:56 hmmm Sep 14 20:20:09 that's a tough one Sep 14 20:20:12 So you're saying if all the business owners lost their businesses we wouldn't be any worse off? Ok Sep 14 20:20:29 2.2% of small business owners affected Sep 14 20:20:39 Sugardave: you're not understanding what is proposed. Sep 14 20:20:40 that's 97.8% NOT affected Sep 14 20:20:51 yes, I just watched a story on it the other day Sep 14 20:21:27 the proposal only extends the tax cut for families making less that $250K a year Sep 14 20:21:39 Everyone has cuts rigt now. They want to "keep" the cuts oneveryone but high income. That's not fair Sep 14 20:21:48 Its a cash grab Sep 14 20:22:03 not hardly...we all knew they would be rolled back in 2011 Sep 14 20:22:14 the "greatest" president ever made it so Sep 14 20:22:32 *greatest being some made up terminology that represents the opposite of greatness Sep 14 20:22:34 Only cause congress wouldn't approve it if he didnt Sep 14 20:22:46 then his pussy-ass should have stuck to his guns Sep 14 20:22:57 He wanted it permanently Sep 14 20:23:19 oil: lol dtzJim. probably :D Sep 14 20:23:33 Congress runs your president. He didn't have much of a choice other than an executive order Sep 14 20:23:40 and? Sep 14 20:23:43 did he do it? Sep 14 20:23:44 nope Sep 14 20:24:37 and, if you want to get into a discussion about the "fairness" of things...let's talk about the fairness of your buddies in Halliburton being given "no-bid" open-ended contracts Sep 14 20:24:45 how is that fair to smaller companies that compete with them? Sep 14 20:25:47 Hey I never gave my stance on that issue before so don't assume I agree with whatever is happening Sep 14 20:26:20 no, but you asked my if it's "fair" to roll back the tax cuts on people that could afford it Sep 14 20:26:36 I think contract bidding should be completely inclusive and unbiased Sep 14 20:26:49 me, too...yet that's not what we get here Sep 14 20:27:01 Yea so why bring up the fairness of another issue Sep 14 20:27:33 we get "oh, my cousin/frat buddy/first anal sex partner runs company X, we need to make sure we get them as much favor as possible." Sep 14 20:28:38 Anivrom|pre: It's a statement on it doesn't matter if one thing is "fair" or not, things are Sep 14 20:29:10 They did a similar thing with a major subway manufacturing company getting the contract for a remodenization without a bidwar Sep 14 20:29:21 hwody Sep 14 20:29:49 Fairness matters. So I think taxes should be fair and contract bidding should be fair Sep 14 20:32:17 and what would a "fair" tax system be? the "Fair Tax"? I'm all for it Sep 14 20:33:06 Technically fair taxes would be the elimination of tax brackets and implement a single percentage Sep 14 20:33:19 But that's not a reality yet Sep 14 20:33:53 fair tax is tax based upon consumption Sep 14 20:34:12 the more you spend on "non-essentials," the more you pay in taxes Sep 14 20:34:51 Well we already have that. The unfair part is the incme tax side Sep 14 20:34:59 we don't have that Sep 14 20:35:07 we have sales tax, and it's not the same Sep 14 20:35:16 You don't get taxed on your income? Sep 14 20:35:31 stupid sales tax going up to 10% here.... Sep 14 20:35:32 you bet your ass I do Sep 14 20:35:40 more than 30% Sep 14 20:35:47 that's "fair" Sep 14 20:35:56 We have sales tax too :) 13% of purchases that qualify (whcih is alot) plus income tax Sep 14 20:36:06 because most of that tax money is going to prop up a failing Ponzi scheme Sep 14 20:36:32 oh and to support people who (fairly?) don't have to pay income taxes Sep 14 20:36:46 oh and to pay for services for illegal aliens Sep 14 20:36:46 But I think sales tax and income tax should be taxed evenly across the board Sep 14 20:37:04 Not the same percentage for both but evenly across all brackets Sep 14 20:37:39 fair tax eliminates/supplants sales tax and completely eliminates income tax...therefore, it will never happen Sep 14 20:37:42 Tron Legacy looks like sex. Sep 14 20:38:59 And I'm deperately waiting for catfish to come out Sep 14 20:39:39 Don't watc the trailer for anyone who is asking "what is catfish" Sep 14 20:39:58 I hope Tron Legacy doesn't suck Sep 14 20:40:01 there shouldn't be any tax other than police and military Sep 14 20:40:07 Just go see it. You need to know as little about the film as possible is what critics sat Sep 14 20:40:10 Say* Sep 14 20:40:34 this country is screwed, it is all debt!! Sep 14 20:40:42 Nyceane: how would government function without money? They need atleasy some form of tax. That I agree with Sep 14 20:41:08 Anivrom, that's what I said, tax for military + police Sep 14 20:41:21 everything else will be privatized Sep 14 20:41:32 sugardave: I really really hope it doesn't suck too. The whole son meets his father in the computer world sounds like a great concept though Sep 14 20:42:26 (in the trailer so don't flame about spoilers) Sep 14 20:43:08 OMG FLYNN'S "ALIVE"?!?!?!?! Sep 14 20:43:25 :P Sep 14 20:43:51 Those light cycles look so awesome. Sep 14 20:44:09 no country can survive, just printing money it don't have, we will all be working for the chinese government like in the movie 1984 Sep 14 20:44:13 still don't know what I think about Flynn as MCP Sep 14 20:44:22 Huh Sep 14 20:44:34 anybody is gona go see social networks? Sep 14 20:44:37 I don think he's mcp is he? Sep 14 20:44:46 *shrug* Sep 14 20:44:54 looked pretty MCP-ish in the trailer I saw Sep 14 20:44:58 That wasn't in the trailer so I hope that's not a spoiler Sep 14 20:45:27 I only saw the first trailer when we went to see Alice in Wonderland Sep 14 20:45:32 so it's been a while Sep 14 20:45:43 Snark or w/e his name was could be viewed as mcp too if you watched a trailer of him in it Sep 14 20:45:48 it struck me that he looked a lot like the MCP dude Sep 14 20:45:55 Sark Sep 14 20:46:02 That's it Sep 14 20:46:36 "I have given all my functions to you sark" Sep 14 20:46:43 And then he gets owned Sep 14 20:46:43 bloat Sep 14 20:47:45 I can't wait to see how they represent todays computers$ Sep 14 20:48:15 it's Disney, yeah? Sep 14 20:48:35 Yea. Only by ownership Sep 14 20:49:02 Don't think they have much say in the production., Sep 14 20:49:03 well, I hope we get as little product placement as possible Sep 14 20:49:08 what is MCP? Sep 14 20:49:18 LoneStar99: omg, you haven't seen Tron? Sep 14 20:49:24 mcp = master control program Sep 14 20:49:41 LOL mickey comes in and starts riding light cycles with pluto chasing behind. Sep 14 20:50:12 Anivrom|pre: nah, I mean with DIsney dollars, producers didn't have to sell out to Apple (for example) Sep 14 20:50:27 Then it cuts to a advertisement of Tron Legacy: THE GaME "where you can race lightcycles with all your favourite disney characters" Sep 14 20:50:39 that will be cool, though Sep 14 20:50:40 Ah I see Sep 14 20:50:45 heh... tron... Sep 14 20:50:54 twas a funny booth at e3 Sep 14 20:50:55 I'd totally be pete. Sep 14 20:51:04 That fat rude neighbour Sep 14 20:51:11 Who always has bbqs Sep 14 20:51:33 And a 5 oclock shadow even at 9am Sep 14 20:51:35 I'd be Donald Duck Sep 14 20:51:38 well my particle app has been published, still don't see it in the catalog yet though Sep 14 20:51:40 tons of new apps today Sep 14 20:51:47 codeslaw: woo! Sep 14 20:51:57 I'd be the homicidal person who kills everyone Sep 14 20:51:59 oh, wait! Sep 14 20:52:19 codeslaw: one day, you, HattCzech, and I should get together and you guys can boot camp me some C/C++ and PDK action Sep 14 20:52:22 Uhh you mean donald duck? Sep 14 20:52:31 I already chose him Sep 14 20:52:38 He can be pretty emo Sep 14 20:52:46 oh ya, you wanting to get in on it? Sep 14 20:52:59 Especially in space jam. Sep 14 20:53:06 i'm kind of ready to hunker back down with 2.0 and get my image apps ready for the big time Sep 14 20:53:12 codeslaw: one day, sure :D too many irons heating up right now Sep 14 20:53:12 codeslaw: me t Sep 14 20:53:16 Too* Sep 14 20:53:22 truth Sep 14 20:53:25 Was planning on learning it myself Sep 14 20:53:39 But a tutor is always the preferred method Sep 14 20:53:58 Once I finish this game up Sep 14 20:54:15 Running into performance issues with canvas. Sep 14 20:54:27 what kind of performance issues Sep 14 20:54:36 Need less cycles wasted on fluff Sep 14 20:54:50 mm Sep 14 20:55:07 hey, what do you guys generally do for arrow controls in games? Sep 14 20:55:11 Uhh it can't render all my stuf in time for the next frame when tap events are going later in the levels Sep 14 20:55:31 the physical keyboard? tilting the device? Sep 14 20:55:33 Master Control Program Sep 14 20:55:51 creationix: a combo of device tilt, keys, and touch events simultaneously is best Sep 14 20:55:52 Anivrom|pre: do you update the whole screen each loop, or are you partially rendering only whats needed Sep 14 20:55:52 'all your bases are belong to us" Sep 14 20:56:17 LoneStar99: http://bit.ly/br5SgE Sep 14 20:56:45 Codeslaw, due to the nature of the minigame's scenery and theway it has to animate, almost all layers get updayed every frame Sep 14 20:56:47 creationix: nice! Sep 14 20:56:54 Anivrom|pre: with my sousaball (which I developed on an EEEPC 701) I had two layers of canvas Sep 14 20:57:03 the EEEPC is about the same performance of the palm pre Sep 14 20:57:06 Minus the sky layer which is drawn on a bg anvas once on startup Sep 14 20:57:33 Anivrom|pre: yeah, that's going to be hard Sep 14 20:58:21 I know all about layering canvas elements I do it in the main game, but this minigame (game within my game) needs it all to be drawn every frame Sep 14 20:58:38 I lowered the frame rate to 18 fps even. Sep 14 20:58:56 And optimized pretty much all my code as much as I could Sep 14 20:59:05 There are a few things left to optimize Sep 14 21:01:59 My main game runs like greased lightning cause I only draw a about 100x100 worth of pixels every frame. Rest is drawn on demand Sep 14 21:03:08 Woot. Wife is making sushi again tonight Sep 14 21:03:28 And I gots some red wine left from yesterday Sep 14 21:03:53 And she said it was her turn to make me happy Sep 14 21:03:56 Tonight Sep 14 21:04:09 I shall be havin a great night indeed. Sep 14 21:05:20 codeslaw: so multitouch is a pdk exclusive feature right? Sep 14 21:05:39 you can get 2 fingers with the sdk Sep 14 21:05:46 but only pinch/squeeze/rotate data Sep 14 21:05:47 Oh? Sep 14 21:05:54 Bah Sep 14 21:06:00 not explicit points, nor can you get tap start/end for each Sep 14 21:06:05 its weak Sep 14 21:06:11 You can't find out both touces locations? Sep 14 21:06:16 Wow Sep 14 21:06:18 Weaksauce Sep 14 21:06:31 there are "plans" according to the non-private forums for webkit style touchEvents Sep 14 21:06:44 its only useful for scaling and rotation Sep 14 21:07:15 excuse me, safari-style touchEvents Sep 14 21:07:30 i dont think its built into the webkit specification Sep 14 21:22:59 ok, new paint program in the catalog: Touch Paint Sep 14 21:23:07 i buy it, because, i buy every paint program Sep 14 21:23:50 this one SAVES paintings, no screen shot required Sep 14 21:24:14 even attaches them to an email Sep 14 21:25:09 my only guess for how they do this without using illegal functionality is by storing every action, redrawing programmatically and encoding to base64 Sep 14 21:25:19 then attaching that to an email via dataURL Sep 14 21:25:46 it's SDK? Sep 14 21:25:51 or no Sep 14 21:25:52 yes Sep 14 21:25:53 sdk Sep 14 21:25:56 PDK would be easy Sep 14 21:25:58 ish Sep 14 21:26:01 this is SDK Sep 14 21:26:03 interesting Sep 14 21:26:16 how much was it? Sep 14 21:26:29 i'm impressed by the effort, though it does nothing but draw straight lines on the screen like almost every other paint app Sep 14 21:26:35 .99 Sep 14 21:28:20 that's cool, $.99 is a good price to learn something new :D Sep 14 21:28:34 indeed =P Sep 14 21:28:50 it's kind of a moot effort, with file IO coming with 2.0 Sep 14 21:29:11 heh Sep 14 21:31:07 has anyone gotten macfusion working on snow leopard Sep 14 21:31:31 I want to sftp into my emulator to edit files live Sep 14 21:31:32 i used it for a while... then went to the amazingness of transmit 4 Sep 14 21:32:16 halfhalo: does transmit mount as kernel level files like macfuse Sep 14 21:32:32 I want to be able to open sftp files with dumb apps like textmate Sep 14 21:32:47 yeah, transmit 4 has the option Sep 14 21:33:01 wait a second Sep 14 21:33:17 PDK apps don't run in the emu...is that correct? Sep 14 21:33:21 yes Sep 14 21:33:37 like when you're developing them, you have to run them on the phone? Sep 14 21:33:58 so...I could just install SDK/PDK into my win7 image? Sep 14 21:34:20 dont have to Sep 14 21:34:24 only if you need PDL functions Sep 14 21:34:31 it won't work in ubuntu Sep 14 21:34:36 true Sep 14 21:34:53 but pdk comes with SDL and openGL es for mac and windows Sep 14 21:35:08 compiles straightup with g++ Sep 14 21:35:12 that probably won't work in virtualbox, huh? Sep 14 21:35:14 on my mac Sep 14 21:35:35 i have 0 experience compiling code in virtualbox Sep 14 21:35:42 creationix: you can try out transmit 4 for 7 days to see if you like it Sep 14 21:35:54 I think I will try this out Sep 14 21:38:53 transmit won't work either Sep 14 21:39:02 why not? Sep 14 21:39:04 how about mounting virtualbox's fs in the parent os Sep 14 21:39:11 halfhalo: Disconnects right away Sep 14 21:39:14 just like macfuse Sep 14 21:39:35 I've never gotten sftp to work on snow leopard Sep 14 21:39:36 does it give any error message? Sep 14 21:39:43 I use it all the time... Sep 14 21:40:07 halfhalo: nope, just prompts for the password over and over Sep 14 21:40:33 are you using a key for it? Sep 14 21:42:25 I tried without a key and it didn't work Sep 14 21:42:37 I added my personal key to the image and still asks for password Sep 14 21:42:44 I can ssh on the command line with no problem at all Sep 14 21:42:53 root@localhost port 5522 right? Sep 14 21:44:10 does the emu come with an ssh server installed by default? Sep 14 21:44:32 yep Sep 14 21:44:43 hmmmmm Sep 14 21:44:43 http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1744#emulator_host_mode Sep 14 21:44:55 maybe it's rejecting clients it thinks are funny Sep 14 21:45:24 maybe... I can play with it when I get home, but for right now I'm stuck on my windows laptop Sep 14 21:45:45 halfhalo: though it seems to work great with my vps servers Sep 14 21:45:53 unless I can pull it up via logmein Sep 14 21:46:03 yeah, I love transmit for webdev Sep 14 21:46:17 :/ Sep 14 21:46:36 apparently my mini is off... for the last 11 minutes... Sep 14 21:47:32 which is weird.. since it should never be off except for hardware failure Sep 14 21:49:01 THERE we go, it just reconnected Sep 14 21:54:51 hmm, still can't ssh into the emu Sep 14 21:54:53 strange Sep 14 21:58:58 it doesn't like a blank password Sep 14 22:01:03 If I change the password in the emu, it doesn't help Sep 14 22:01:07 and I added my ssh key Sep 14 22:01:21 I know... :p I tried the password thing as well Sep 14 22:15:21 Lol Sep 14 22:15:47 Apparently i don't have my last class today Sep 14 22:16:16 Which is sweeeet Sep 14 22:16:44 Really don't feel like learning the concepts of programming languages today Sep 14 22:17:20 Helloo Sep 14 22:17:25 I have a problem with my Pre :( Sep 14 22:17:42 It insists on phoning the number my sister has on her fb instead of the one stored on my sim Sep 14 22:17:54 even when I set the SIM as the primary profile Sep 14 22:18:12 She edited her number on fb so it was correct, then I synched my fb with synergy Sep 14 22:18:33 still the wrong number, and there's no way for me to set the primary number to phone without unlinking the profiles Sep 14 22:18:36 creationix: You need to stream the node thing live today so the 5 other people who have used node before but can't make it can watch Sep 14 22:18:38 any ideas anyone? :) Sep 14 22:19:29 halfhalo: we'll try to record it Sep 14 22:19:37 but no promises Sep 14 22:19:54 Bah, thats not live Sep 14 22:20:12 well, the problem with live is it often kills the uplink Sep 14 22:20:21 Maybe I'll just unlink it and let my sister mock me with her iPhone... Sep 14 22:20:27 most offices seem to have really crappy uplink Sep 14 22:21:00 Ustream Sep 14 22:21:11 Anybody? =/ Sep 14 22:21:31 Boopop: sorry, no clue Sep 14 22:21:31 * halfhalo really wants to see it Sep 14 22:21:55 :( Thanks anyway creationix. Maybe a forum post is in order. It seems a really strange problem Sep 14 22:22:23 halfhalo: look at the rsvp list, find a name you recognize and tell them to record it Sep 14 22:22:28 I'll be busy helping run the event Sep 14 22:56:45 notice that my ipkg is deleted from windows %tmp% folder rather quickly, how do i copy the IPK, using eclipse 3.6 Sep 14 22:57:15 LoneStar99: just use palm-package to build it Sep 14 22:58:59 Oh I have a question Sep 14 22:59:05 If I have to doctor my phone Sep 14 22:59:05 good idea, first time ever using palm-package Sep 14 22:59:10 will that get rid of the unlocked-ness? Sep 14 23:06:34 thanks sugardave u saved the day again Sep 14 23:23:04 Out of interest, anyone here actually have a pixi? Sep 14 23:34:40 Boopop, i own a pixi Sep 14 23:34:50 i mostly love it Sep 14 23:34:55 mostly? :P Sep 14 23:35:00 How come you didn't spring for a pre? Sep 14 23:35:07 wasnt about the price Sep 14 23:35:14 was the form factor and durability Sep 14 23:35:21 I see Sep 14 23:35:25 you reckon it's better made then? Sep 14 23:35:31 yea Sep 14 23:35:39 The lack of Wifi is a bummer =/ Sep 14 23:35:48 yea i dont have the plus so no wifi Sep 14 23:35:57 luckily sprint's network is good here Sep 14 23:36:03 If there's anything I reckon I'm less likely to come across than a Pre owner Sep 14 23:36:10 it's a pixi owner xD Sep 14 23:36:15 I would never even consider a "smartphone" if it didn't have the wifis Sep 14 23:36:20 yea i've never met another person who owns one Sep 14 23:36:24 Is the keyboard any better? Sep 14 23:36:30 i like it better yea Sep 14 23:36:40 yeah sugardave, wifi is kinda crucial for me xD Sep 14 23:36:51 I'd eat up my 500mb a month allowance in 5 minutes without wifi Sep 14 23:36:56 oh Sep 14 23:37:01 im on an unlimited plan Sep 14 23:37:03 so no worries Sep 14 23:37:11 i do about 2.5gb a month usually Sep 14 23:37:13 well so am I...until you read the fair usage policy Sep 14 23:37:13 hehe Sep 14 23:37:14 :P Sep 14 23:37:35 yea sprint is about the only semi-legit unlimited plan out there Sep 14 23:37:40 Wondering whether I should have gone with TMobile plan Sep 14 23:37:41 is it fair to me if other people don't use their network to its fullest potential? no, it isn't fair at all Sep 14 23:37:46 i think their ceiling is 5gb but even then they dont enforce it strictly Sep 14 23:37:46 Just signed up to tesco Sep 14 23:38:04 1 month rolling contract, 500 mins, unlimited texts and 500mb data Sep 14 23:38:19 tmobile however have a 12 month contract 600 mins, unlimited texts and 3gb data Sep 14 23:38:36 i basically have unlimited everything for a super cheap rate because of a corporate discount Sep 14 23:38:39 :D Sep 14 23:38:42 nice Sep 14 23:38:55 Any of you two know if doctoring my phone will null the fact that it's unlocked? Sep 14 23:38:59 I hope it doesn't :( Sep 14 23:39:07 I don't think it will, but I'm no expert Sep 14 23:39:08 im not sure but i doubt it Sep 14 23:39:16 haven't doctored it much since the beginning Sep 14 23:39:18 OK, thanks :) Sep 14 23:39:35 #webos-internals should be able to answer definiteively, though Sep 14 23:39:35 Software updates certainly won't right? ala webOS 2.0 and such Sep 14 23:39:57 thanks sugardave, will ask in there Sep 14 23:40:05 oh that's right...doctors are for certain carriers...hmmm. Sep 14 23:40:13 os updates and such shouldn't affect it, no Sep 14 23:40:18 Yeah, that's what I was thinking >.< Sep 14 23:40:27 Should have written down that unlock code >.> Sep 14 23:40:31 heh Sep 14 23:41:05 Mind...isn't an OS update similar to doctoring? Sep 14 23:41:16 I swear, if updating to 2.0 relocks my phone Sep 14 23:41:19 I'll weep Sep 14 23:41:21 ='( Sep 14 23:41:56 whats the ETA on 2.0 ? Sep 14 23:42:04 lol who knows xD Sep 14 23:42:11 ic Sep 14 23:42:51 I think I've read later this year but that's harertain Sep 14 23:43:02 hardly certain* Sep 14 23:43:35 So... Sep 14 23:43:37 When I go back to uni Sep 14 23:43:44 and both my flatmates have android phones now Sep 14 23:43:47 and I now have a pre Sep 14 23:43:56 what do I say to them to show how my phone's better? :P Sep 14 23:44:08 just show them the badass multi tasking Sep 14 23:44:12 usually does it for me Sep 14 23:44:30 well they say android has multi tasking Sep 14 23:44:36 but then so does my sister of her iphone 4 Sep 14 23:44:45 but controlling multitasking on that is HORRID Sep 14 23:44:48 right but its not like its just a feature on a checklist Sep 14 23:44:51 yea Sep 14 23:45:09 "double click the button, then touch an icon and hold, then touch the icon" Sep 14 23:45:12 what's that all about Sep 14 23:45:14 talk about tacked on Sep 14 23:45:19 if someone doesnt see how much nicer the multitasking is on webOS than they probably arent gonna really get it anyways Sep 14 23:45:22 android's multi tasking sucks Sep 14 23:45:22 no use trying to convince them Sep 14 23:45:27 everything is in the background Sep 14 23:45:36 i have to kill every app before playing angry bird Sep 14 23:45:43 lol Sep 14 23:45:44 gutted Sep 14 23:45:53 otherwise the app runs very slow Sep 14 23:45:59 don't you have to have some theme/skin to make it look at all pleasing too? Sep 14 23:46:05 or my roomates iphone 4 irc client that will only stay connected i nthe background for 4-5 minutes Sep 14 23:46:11 while i rock out on wirc for 4-5 hours Sep 14 23:46:12 :) Sep 14 23:46:34 Sister's iphone 4 is pretty, the hardware that is Sep 14 23:46:38 but I HATE the OS Sep 14 23:46:40 I mean god Sep 14 23:46:42 it's AWFUL Sep 14 23:46:47 I used to like it Sep 14 23:46:48 it feels limiting after you've used webOS Sep 14 23:46:57 back before I'd tried anything else Sep 14 23:46:57 techrush, iPhone is made to be efficient, so they'll kill the connection to save you battery Sep 14 23:47:15 the biggest problem with android is that its designed by "software engineers" and not hardware Sep 14 23:47:17 im a grown up. i can manage my own battery thanks Sep 14 23:47:30 What I don't like about iOS Sep 14 23:47:32 software engineers have no sense of programming when it comes to conserve your battery Sep 14 23:47:37 is the fact you can never see your background Sep 14 23:47:44 without a load of apps in front of it Sep 14 23:47:46 which is a bummer Sep 14 23:47:57 only image you can see proper is the screensaver Sep 14 23:47:58 i think thats the weirdest complaint ive heard Sep 14 23:48:10 if you want a picture frame they sell them for $80 now Sep 14 23:48:11 :P Sep 14 23:48:24 Shhh Sep 14 23:48:41 I like my wallpaper Sep 14 23:48:58 i just have some flat gray pattern as mine Sep 14 23:49:00 I like an OS that lets me see a clean empty screen apart from a taskbar at the bottom Sep 14 23:49:21 iOS isn't that app Sep 14 23:49:24 OS* even Sep 14 23:49:27 i usually have 4-5 cards open so i dont see the wallpaper much Sep 14 23:49:40 Looking forward to playing with my friend's Wildfire Sep 14 23:49:46 Really? I rarely have 2 open Sep 14 23:49:48 lol Sep 14 23:49:59 thats kind of the whole point of the OS isnt it ? Sep 14 23:50:06 True :P Sep 14 23:50:09 swiping back and forth between the cards without having to wait for them to open Sep 14 23:50:09 But I just close things Sep 14 23:50:11 it's what I do Sep 14 23:50:19 i almost always have the phone/sms/browser open Sep 14 23:50:34 if I'm not using something until the next time I wake the phone up Sep 14 23:50:35 I'll close it Sep 14 23:50:39 when you have a Sprint Pre, you don't multi-task much or you face the dreaded tmc error Sep 14 23:50:41 just seems logical Sep 14 23:50:53 sugardave, yea but 4-5 cards isnt much Sep 14 23:50:57 Oh I got that on my O2 pre a few weeks ago Sep 14 23:51:03 in between uberkernels Sep 14 23:51:08 uberkernel seems to fix tmc Sep 14 23:51:14 i havent gotten the tmc error once since i switched to uberkernel on my pixi Sep 14 23:51:15 techrush: yeah, 4-5 is about as much as I have open if I forget to close some things :D Sep 14 23:51:23 I don't oc mine Sep 14 23:51:28 Neither do I :P Sep 14 23:51:29 me either Sep 14 23:51:33 Uberkernel is still better Sep 14 23:51:34 it's my dev phone and my only phone Sep 14 23:51:42 howdy.. can someone email me the "package-install" file from the SDK 1.4.5?? Sep 14 23:51:48 you cant even overclock the pixi i recall Sep 14 23:51:55 package-install? Sep 14 23:51:59 memcache seems to help though Sep 14 23:52:00 sorry ... Sep 14 23:52:02 palm-install Sep 14 23:52:05 palm-install Sep 14 23:52:12 diegoATearthoid.com Sep 14 23:52:54 deleted my sdk 1.4.5 inplace of another, and can't upload my IPKG to palm... Sep 14 23:53:07 much appreciated!! Sep 14 23:53:51 That's 10 cards open Sep 14 23:53:59 tis a little sluggish but still rather good ^^ Sep 14 23:54:31 I don't find iOS anywhere near as fun to use as webOS Sep 14 23:54:37 flicking apps up to close them is aaawesome :D Sep 14 23:54:56 yea when you "close" an app in iOS now it just goes down to your multitasking area Sep 14 23:55:06 yeah Sep 14 23:55:06 annoying Sep 14 23:55:11 that's what I've noticed with her phone Sep 14 23:55:26 Very unintuitive Sep 14 23:55:31 i wonder why nobody has come out with a webos or android version of an ipod touch Sep 14 23:55:44 those things are super popular Sep 14 23:56:28 I'd get an iPod Touch...if I could hack it like I can my 5G iPod xD Sep 14 23:56:33 Got rockbox on it, love it <3 Sep 14 23:56:50 Well even then I probably wouldn't, not enough storage space Sep 14 23:56:50 i had a 2nd gen ipod touch Sep 14 23:57:01 i would buy another one if i didnt have to sync it with itunes Sep 14 23:57:18 I hate itunes with a passion Sep 14 23:57:53 anyway, I require sleep Sep 14 23:57:55 byyee Sep 14 23:59:04 laters, going to dinner Sep 14 23:59:06 adios Sep 15 00:04:51 woo, Wipeout is on Sep 15 00:11:38 is there an app or plugin that interferes with access usb drive mode when plugging the phone into a computer running linuxmint9 btw if that matters Sep 15 00:11:50 and its a sprint pre Sep 15 00:12:55 no? Sep 15 00:13:24 ok i'll try a different computer Sep 15 00:22:53 Nyceane: privatizing roads not a good idea. Sep 15 00:26:53 haeffb! Sep 15 00:27:01 do you use popupSubmenus much? Sep 15 00:27:14 some Sep 15 00:27:40 noted uses them for the sort menu Sep 15 00:27:47 so, is there ANY way to access the label (or any other property but command) when the user taps it? Sep 15 00:28:05 haeffb, so we dont build bridges that doesn't go anywhere Sep 15 00:28:15 they all go somewhere. Sep 15 00:28:43 if you only need to go where "corporate" wants you to go, then privatizing may be fine. Sep 15 00:29:08 sugardave: never tried Sep 15 00:29:25 although you could always access other properties in the model, right? Sep 15 00:29:54 it doesn't seem to pass anything to 'onChoose' but the command value and the element Sep 15 00:30:04 there isn't a "model" per se Sep 15 00:30:16 unless there's a different way to wield them Sep 15 00:30:20 so loop thru the model with the command Sep 15 00:31:14 items: MyAPP.sortItems Sep 15 00:31:42 so I can loop thru that array to find which element matches the command value Sep 15 00:31:53 bogus Sep 15 00:32:22 that will be faster than looking them up in the db, though Sep 15 00:32:30 which is what I was facing down just now Sep 15 00:36:13 wircer! Sep 15 00:36:21 BAN Sep 15 00:37:59 srsly, I joined expexting dev convo for a screenshot, but nothing... Sep 15 00:38:27 it doesn't seem to pass anything to 'onChoose' but the command value and the element Sep 15 00:38:36 haeffb: yeah Sep 15 00:38:46 so loop thru the items array with the command Sep 15 00:39:00 lulz Sep 15 00:39:01 that's what I'm going to do Sep 15 00:39:02 * haeffb making some dev convo for oil's screenshot Sep 15 00:39:03 dev convo Sep 15 00:39:05 oh Sep 15 00:39:07 I get it Sep 15 00:39:09 lol Sep 15 00:39:12 doh! Sep 15 00:39:23 * haeffb gave it away! Sep 15 00:39:44 so how about that webOS 2.0? Sep 15 00:39:45 rule 1 of screenshots, don't talk about screenshots Sep 15 00:40:02 lol Sep 15 00:40:12 sugardave: yeah, how about it? Sep 15 00:40:20 i ported it to my Droid X Sep 15 00:40:24 whatd you do with it? Sep 15 00:40:32 I, for one, can't wait for our new webOS 2.0-enabled overlords Sep 15 00:40:56 pandora--: I'm running it across 5 of the cells in my PS3 Sep 15 00:41:00 it's smokin' Sep 15 00:41:02 ah nice Sep 15 00:41:31 i also put it on my nintendo 3DS, so i have webos-2.0 3D desktop Sep 15 00:41:33 it's pimp Sep 15 00:41:40 that's pretty cool Sep 15 00:41:42 ugg.... sticky bit has come loose Sep 15 00:41:55 dammit Sep 15 00:42:02 wanted bofh stuff in screenie Sep 15 00:42:44 lol Sep 15 00:42:53 i may be back for a dark-theme screenshot :) Sep 15 00:43:04 yuhuh Sep 15 00:43:21 gotta close it out though to restart the nick color cache :) Sep 15 00:43:27 Speaking of wirc... wheres that patch i made Sep 15 00:44:17 :) Sep 15 01:11:37 i m still waiting for my WebOS 2.0 =-( Sep 15 01:52:40 curious, did anybody here try changing an app name on submit to the catalog? Sep 15 01:53:39 any potential problems with that? Sep 15 01:58:26 you can do that Sep 15 02:05:04 is the node.js meetup going on tonight? Sep 15 02:05:15 its on now Sep 15 02:05:31 started at 6 Sep 15 02:05:40 halfhalo: are you at it? Sep 15 02:05:45 I wish... Sep 15 02:06:15 I also am not at it Sep 15 02:06:40 but it's Ok, because I don't even know what node is. Sep 15 02:06:42 6 eastern? Sep 15 02:06:46 or 6 pacific? Sep 15 02:06:48 :D Sep 15 02:06:49 6 pacific Sep 15 02:07:06 node is javascript for everything else Sep 15 02:07:15 including but not limited to building an aircraft Sep 15 02:08:36 I *would* like to build an aircraft.... Sep 15 02:11:34 node prints money Sep 15 02:11:40 yup Sep 15 02:14:57 so the aircraft would be built of of money? Sep 15 02:15:15 yup Sep 15 02:15:51 back from the past Sep 15 02:16:15 wow charles bronson movie on! Sep 15 02:17:27 haeffb: a plane made of money can't be bad Sep 15 02:17:39 anyone here using SDK 1.4.5? which can email me the "palm-install" file? Sep 15 02:18:06 why would you need the palm-install file? Sep 15 02:18:46 cuss, i installed another SDK version, and it ain't working... for current 1.4.5 apps... Sep 15 02:19:17 palm-install is a bat file. Sep 15 02:19:22 you need the .jar Sep 15 02:20:01 which ever files, i need to make an ipkg Sep 15 02:20:12 it should be 1 or 2 files... Sep 15 02:21:33 perhaps "palm-install" bat file might be suffice Sep 15 02:25:00 aren;t the files on github? Sep 15 02:25:24 no, but you can redownload the 1.4.5 sdk Sep 15 02:27:40 node is basically a platform Sep 15 02:27:43 for javascript services Sep 15 02:27:53 the javascript services are written in regular old javascript Sep 15 02:27:58 but they're written with callbacks Sep 15 02:28:06 and events, thus the non-blocking part Sep 15 02:28:10 and node runs on v8 Sep 15 02:28:15 but an expanded version of v8 Sep 15 02:28:25 with c modules for http servers, tcp connections, etc. Sep 15 02:28:37 and node can be expanded by adding c modules Sep 15 02:28:55 so think of javascript without the dom, running a server Sep 15 02:29:02 got it? Sep 15 02:29:42 LoneStar99: palm-package? Sep 15 02:30:06 I got the aircraft out of money part. the rest of it...not so much. Sep 15 02:30:19 hold, up i may be able to extract the file from the 1.4.5 downloaded file Sep 15 02:30:34 webos-tools.jar Sep 15 02:31:59 boo.... that did not work, it is an .exe file Sep 15 02:32:10 LoneStar99: want palm-package? Sep 15 02:34:38 Tibfib: C:\Program Files (x86)\Palm\SDK\bin\"palm-package" and also need the webos-tools.jar Sep 15 02:34:59 ok, let me do so experimentation here Sep 15 02:35:38 hmmm, I had the 1.4.5 ones, not sure where they went Sep 15 02:46:13 JSLint will NOT hurt my feelings cause I will pay no attention to its warnings, :D Sep 15 02:47:30 http://www.aboutwebos.com/2010/09/11/webos-app-review-task-management-with-done-and-toodledo/ Sep 15 02:50:38 3rd launch, 2 typos fixed... maybe ill get it right this time Sep 15 02:53:11 joined an independent study class on mobile development Sep 15 02:53:16 It's basically a party Sep 15 02:53:20 and I'm bringing webOS Sep 15 02:53:26 cause they've already got android and iOS Sep 15 02:54:00 haeffb: is that your site? Sep 15 02:54:12 no, a review of Done Sep 15 02:54:28 pretty thorough Sep 15 02:54:42 yeah. Guess I have to fix notifications, though... :) Sep 15 02:55:02 well ya know.. warts are everywhere Sep 15 02:55:33 I really need to put together some docs on how to use it, too. It' Sep 15 02:55:40 s pretty freakin' bloated. Sep 15 02:55:52 I mean, "feature-rich" Sep 15 02:56:17 haeffb: nice artible Sep 15 02:56:24 spend your time on a interface improvements so you dont need documentation Sep 15 02:56:52 I'd rather spend my time on a caribbean island Sep 15 02:57:15 you can only do so much for an interface before it becomes too feature rich to figure out. case and point: 3d studio max Sep 15 02:57:31 Anivrom: yeah but that's not an interface for an average user Sep 15 02:57:40 that's an interface for someone who needs a ton of power Sep 15 02:57:45 right in view Sep 15 02:57:46 meh Sep 15 02:57:59 I look forward to webGL coming to webOS Sep 15 02:58:01 My statement still stands Sep 15 02:58:08 cause what palm should totally do Sep 15 02:58:12 and this is just me talking Sep 15 02:58:22 is they should make some 3d ui widgets, built in webGL Sep 15 02:58:27 coem otu with a new device!??? Sep 15 02:58:30 yea totally Sep 15 02:58:33 cause they've already got 2d ui widgets Sep 15 02:58:38 and it would just be ridiculously badass Sep 15 02:58:47 if you had some people who were able to envision 3d ui widgets Sep 15 02:58:52 and a 3d ui paradigm Sep 15 02:59:19 I sent them some 4d ui widgets... but they said the timeshift feature was a little "overkill" Sep 15 02:59:56 how do you simulate a meta-tap in emulator? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Sep 15 02:59:57 2010