**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Sep 17 02:59:57 2010 Sep 17 03:10:14 alexfner: there is a private bus applicationManager service method which is not available to app cat apps. Sep 17 03:10:25 Anyone successfully done a PDL_LaunchBrowser("mailto:me@website.com"); to launch the email app from the PDK? Can't get it to work. Sep 17 03:10:28 dunno about your second question Sep 17 03:10:53 yeah I'm trying to think something out, for the future Sep 17 03:11:14 (and as for using PDL_LaunchEmail(const char* Subject, const char* Body);... uh... doesn't seem very useful when you can't specify where the email is going. Huh?!) Sep 17 03:12:51 your app doesn't have access to the contacts anyway, so you can't choose the destination for the user. I suspect they don't want to provide a vector for botnet apps sending spam emails. Sep 17 03:13:18 * alexfner is having carmel covered node.js dreams Sep 17 03:14:09 Well, the idea is they'd have to type in their message and click send.. I assume the web browser DOES support mailto, although haven't tested it Sep 17 03:14:30 I just wanted an easy way to send a bug report/comment about the app. Sep 17 03:15:09 yep, but Palm always move slowly on things that could be subverted for nefarious uses Sep 17 03:17:10 hmm, it just hit me, I never actually setup my email account on the phone.. better do that and try mailto again Sep 17 03:32:30 mrfun you can't launch the email application? Sep 17 03:35:29 it doesn't launch using PDL_LaunchBrowser("mailto:me@website.com") - it just opens the @website. But, from the browser, clicking mailto: links DOES open the email app Sep 17 03:36:36 oh well, just going to skip that functionality for my app, not really needed Sep 17 03:46:39 mrfun: I'd love to know how to do that if you figure it out. You could add something to webos101.com. Sep 17 03:47:42 In fact, everyone should go add _one_ new thing to webos101.com right now. Sep 17 03:47:52 A work around might be to launch a website url that in turn launches another url with the mailto... too lazy to test though :) Sep 17 03:48:22 mrfun were you trying to send me something Sep 17 03:48:22 Or you could just send people to a feedback form on your site. Sep 17 03:49:02 a mrfun tried to transfer something to my KVIrc... Sep 17 03:49:06 yeah, that's what I did Sep 17 03:49:16 what were you sending Sep 17 03:49:17 CTLAdvance: it's KVirc's avatar support Sep 17 03:49:26 it's automatic, if it works, you see my pic by my name Sep 17 03:49:35 but I don't have my ports setup right so it never works anyway Sep 17 03:49:58 ok for a moment I thought KVIRC may be a security risk Sep 17 03:50:08 but nothing showed up on my logs Sep 17 03:50:28 nah, somehow it detects that I'm using kvirc too and then tries to download the avatar Sep 17 03:50:35 I see Sep 17 03:50:45 Great! Sep 17 04:00:10 heyo Sep 17 04:01:18 heyo Sep 17 04:07:32 keepfearalive.com Sep 17 04:07:39 http://keepfearalive.com Sep 17 04:07:42 stephen colbert Sep 17 04:07:44 hilarious Sep 17 04:07:49 this is so greart Sep 17 04:26:39 so i wrote this whole program thing for an interactive coaster Sep 17 04:26:44 and it's all done Sep 17 04:26:53 and i just tested it to get baseline weights Sep 17 04:27:06 and the sensor isn't good enough Sep 17 04:27:10 it maxes out too soon Sep 17 04:27:15 heh Sep 17 04:27:19 completely worthless project Sep 17 04:27:27 nerf rings Sep 17 04:27:46 nerf rings? Sep 17 04:28:30 Wolvenhaven: the accelerometer? Sep 17 04:28:38 it's a pressure sensor Sep 17 04:28:43 where? Sep 17 04:28:50 i'm not talking about webos Sep 17 04:28:51 :P Sep 17 04:28:54 sorry Sep 17 04:29:02 my drunken rant last night about the coding i was doing Sep 17 04:31:21 you did drunken coding Sep 17 04:31:39 on arduino? Sep 17 04:31:47 no, phidgets Sep 17 04:31:57 similar concept, but it comes with a friendly API Sep 17 04:32:19 you're a friendly api Sep 17 04:32:28 are you coming onto me? Sep 17 04:33:01 :P Sep 17 04:34:02 hah, ofcourse Sep 17 04:34:13 don't be ridiculous that's exactly what I amd oing Sep 17 04:44:29 lol Sep 17 04:44:35 alexfner: https://gist.github.com/7eca341f14b5aefa18f9 Sep 17 04:44:45 my API has a bunch of dependancies Sep 17 04:44:52 like boobs have to be installed and stuff Sep 17 04:45:38 creationix: nice find, is that on your git, or someone else's? Sep 17 04:45:48 it's my gist Sep 17 04:45:50 not in a repo yet Sep 17 04:45:54 I haven't *quite* got git figured out yet Sep 17 04:46:04 I mean, I tried to setup a repository and it failed miserably Sep 17 04:46:09 and I have been unsuccessful since Sep 17 04:46:23 isn't it like a apt-get version of svn? Sep 17 04:46:28 or something Sep 17 04:46:39 lol Sep 17 04:49:43 you should try gazaar Sep 17 04:49:47 *bazaar Sep 17 04:49:54 it's got the power of git, but simple like svn Sep 17 04:50:02 too bad all the communities are around git though Sep 17 04:50:39 git needs to get a new name! HAH Sep 17 04:51:03 your a git Sep 17 04:55:13 you're* Sep 17 05:12:56 should I go see deadmau5? Sep 17 05:13:01 I don't know! Sep 17 05:13:03 I can't decide! Sep 17 06:21:49 garr Sep 17 06:22:03 SDL freaking out, cause I tried to load more textures Sep 17 07:17:04 just got a 1 rating on my text2voice app, b/c it does not pick up punctuation. what the fuck it that.. "hello idiot COMMA i am a useless lady, which leaves shitty Feedback" Sep 17 07:18:08 LoneStar99: now now, people wouldn't want to download your apps if they heard you responding like that to users :D Sep 17 07:18:21 alexfner: lol Sep 17 07:18:33 I'm serious Sep 17 07:18:37 everything here is public Sep 17 07:20:20 just very frustrating, alot of work, for one rating to kill an app Sep 17 07:21:21 have lost so much money b/c of ratings... Sep 17 07:22:11 that's just a perception Sep 17 07:22:13 I alsp have bs ratings Sep 17 07:22:16 but I would argue it isn't reality Sep 17 07:22:23 some from people who have apps who a competition Sep 17 07:22:49 So i understand LoneStar9 Sep 17 07:23:22 look Sep 17 07:23:31 reviews can have a small effect on your ap downloads Sep 17 07:23:39 but that's hardly the tip of the iceberg Sep 17 07:24:01 you can't expect your icon, rating,and name to be the ways you will sell your app Sep 17 07:24:06 you have to promote THE HELL out of it Sep 17 07:24:08 hmm i don't know.. if you scroll down the list i think the number of stars have a effect Sep 17 07:24:40 if you can market your app well, people are going to go to the app catalog, download it, and try it out with what you have told them in mind Sep 17 07:24:53 you risk getting bad review when you don't educate your users enough Sep 17 07:24:59 so if you want better reviews, you need to prime your audience Sep 17 07:25:05 and what I mean by that is Sep 17 07:25:07 my app got killed, when it went from a 5.0 to a 4.8, it is dead for the most part now. Sep 17 07:25:21 they can't just learn about your app from a listing in the app catalog Sep 17 07:25:27 LoneStar99 what app is killed? Sep 17 07:25:30 you just have to promote it everywhere Sep 17 07:25:46 where is "everywhere" alexfner? what do you do ? Sep 17 07:26:05 all the webos community sites Sep 17 07:26:10 twitter Sep 17 07:26:12 facebook Sep 17 07:26:13 http://urloid.com/palm4 Sep 17 07:26:57 a website dedicated to the app Sep 17 07:27:05 I mean, it's your job to educate your users Sep 17 07:27:10 a 4.8 rating cost me a price in the hot apps, plus hundreds of purchases... so thousands of dollars Sep 17 07:27:22 LoneStar99: that's just completely unproveable Sep 17 07:27:25 so I can't argue that Sep 17 07:27:32 it is forsure, Sep 17 07:27:38 because stars don't equate to anything Sep 17 07:27:54 a 4.8 displays as a 5 to the users Sep 17 07:27:57 I mean Sep 17 07:28:03 there is just no way to argue this Sep 17 07:28:27 if you want to mope about one sour review, and have that be the reason that your app isn't doing as you expected, that's fine. But it's not realistic Sep 17 07:28:39 palm knows about the problem, when i had a 5 rating i had like 5+ purchases a day after the 4.8 I got one purchase a week if any Sep 17 07:29:12 you're being very unrealistic, I don't know how to say this to you Sep 17 07:29:25 LoneStar99 cool app Sep 17 07:29:44 alexfner: not saying it to say it, it is a proven fact Sep 17 07:29:57 but it isn't Sep 17 07:30:05 my app was hitting 6k+ downloads a day for about a week and a half. Then it started to drop off Sep 17 07:30:09 (free app) Sep 17 07:30:27 it had nothing to do with the star rating, which moved from 3 to 4.6 Sep 17 07:30:31 i wrote emails to palm and they acknowledged that there was problem... Sep 17 07:30:43 it had to do with the fact that the audience for my app was only so big Sep 17 07:30:49 but it never really got resolved Sep 17 07:30:53 and the exposure of my app was declining Sep 17 07:31:12 so what's the problem with the system? Sep 17 07:32:17 when my app was a 5.0 it would be listed in hot apps, with a 4.8 it was thrown out of the list, and never reappeared Sep 17 07:32:43 some raking system bug or something... Sep 17 07:33:29 hot apps isn't based on your star rating in any way Sep 17 07:33:37 it's based on download numbers for free apps Sep 17 07:33:41 and revenue for paid apps Sep 17 07:34:29 oh you mean hot apps in the catalog Sep 17 07:34:34 well they changed the algorithm Sep 17 07:34:38 it does not matter now, have moved onto other apps, it was just a great disappointed Sep 17 07:34:39 but again Sep 17 07:34:47 yeah Sep 17 07:34:53 yeah but I guess the point I'm trying to get across Sep 17 07:35:02 is that it isn't palm's job to make your app a success Sep 17 07:35:04 hot apps in the catalog Sep 17 07:35:25 and the app catalog shouldn't be where users are first exposed to your application, or they'll have no reason to download it Sep 17 07:35:46 you have to educate users if you want them to download your application Sep 17 07:35:47 i agree, never depended on palm to make any of my apps a success, if anything all my apps have been a failure, Sep 17 07:35:50 and you have to market to them Sep 17 07:36:07 alexfner, how should i promote? I am from Denmark, so when i twit or facebook anything releated to Palm they don't even KNOW what palm is? What can i do`? Sep 17 07:36:27 to much time spent and to little return... but screw it, will continue building more apps Sep 17 07:36:28 well are your applications available in the US? Sep 17 07:36:55 well you might continue to be disappointed if you don't change your marketing and promotion Sep 17 07:37:01 I'm just trying to be realistic here man Sep 17 07:37:19 LoneStar99: http://sivers.org/multiply Sep 17 07:37:23 check that out Sep 17 07:37:27 alexfner my apps a avalible all over the market Sep 17 07:37:57 so if you tweet about them, make a facebook page, etc. Americans wouldn't have a problem getting access to that information Sep 17 07:37:59 But Palm is not avalible in my country Sep 17 07:38:12 So a facebook page for the app? Sep 17 07:38:13 right, so you need to promote to people who do have palm phones Sep 17 07:38:17 a facebook page Sep 17 07:38:17 Or buisiness? Sep 17 07:38:22 posts on precentral Sep 17 07:38:26 about the app Sep 17 07:38:37 interesting Sep 17 07:38:47 I understand. So i talk about the app and link to the facebook page? Sep 17 07:38:55 and the app catalog Sep 17 07:39:15 is facebook a better page then the homepage of my buisiness? Sep 17 07:39:16 the facebook page also gives you retention (so users will come back for updates and other apps) Sep 17 07:39:22 hotdp: well, yes Sep 17 07:39:27 I mean, it's simpler Sep 17 07:39:32 lots of people have facebook accounts Sep 17 07:42:33 alright folks, gonna hit the hay, chat later Sep 17 07:42:55 alexfner: thanks for da info, Sep 17 07:43:03 later Sep 17 07:47:44 alexfner i will try it :D Sep 17 07:47:54 good luck Sep 17 07:48:03 We have 3 apps so have to figure out how to promote all three Sep 17 07:48:12 remember, people have to know about it before they want it Sep 17 07:48:13 :D Sep 17 07:48:27 good night Sep 17 07:48:29 I am out Sep 17 07:48:37 good night Sep 17 07:48:39 and thanks Sep 17 08:13:56 good morning Sep 17 08:28:35 good morning warpdesign_ Sep 17 10:45:28 afternoon Sep 17 11:09:27 Hi Sep 17 12:06:29 reporting live from the webos-internals booth at froscamp in zürich, switzerland Sep 17 12:15:56 swisstomcat cool :D Sep 17 12:16:10 is there anything cool happening? Sep 17 12:31:31 i gave a webos programming workshop Sep 17 12:33:41 did it go well ? Sep 17 12:42:22 hi swisstomcat Sep 17 12:42:26 how many people came in ? Sep 17 12:42:40 8 or so Sep 17 12:48:15 it was interesting Sep 17 12:48:25 i showed sdk development and ares Sep 17 12:48:34 what did they say? Sep 17 12:48:50 most were impressed Sep 17 12:48:56 someone even came from germany Sep 17 12:49:17 cool Sep 17 12:49:24 did they talk german ;) Sep 17 13:08:33 yeah Sep 17 13:08:39 aber sicher :) Sep 17 13:16:09 @twtomcat is giving an introduction to #webOS Development at #FrOSCamp http://twitpic.com/2p7f Sep 17 13:29:34 swisstomcat: neat! Sep 17 14:04:25 morning folks Sep 17 14:14:00 have a time warner cable modem, and need to add wifi capabilities, do I buy a router to connect to modem, or a wireless hub? Sep 17 14:20:14 LoneStar99: router Sep 17 14:20:29 wireless router Sep 17 14:23:57 ok thanks haeffb Sep 17 14:24:08 need to install one at a friends house later Sep 17 15:48:34 wow got an email from palm about a "bug" in one of my apps, weird thing i suspended the app like 2 weeks ago. Sep 17 15:49:58 but anyways it was not bug, the screen is white on purpose Sep 17 16:15:33 lol Sep 17 16:16:02 hello warpdesign_ Sep 17 16:16:04 hi Sep 17 16:16:19 howdy everyone Sep 17 16:16:53 hi Sep 17 16:17:09 been very silent in here this fine friday --> world (morning, afternoon, evening) Sep 17 16:17:20 how'da'ya'do Sep 17 16:17:21 didn't receive any bug report from them, although there are surely some bugs left ;) Sep 17 16:17:22 ok meeting now, chat later Sep 17 16:24:37 hey everyone Sep 17 16:24:45 i'm at froscamp Sep 17 16:26:55 enjoy Sep 17 17:54:57 Wow kidding me in over an hour no one has said a word? Sep 17 17:56:29 in my defense I'm both new here and gainfully employed Sep 17 17:57:35 Oh hai fprimex welcome to webos Sep 17 17:57:43 thanks! Sep 17 17:58:03 Are you new to webos development? Sep 17 17:59:13 yeah, I picked up a pre a few weeks ago and have really been enjoying patching it Sep 17 17:59:21 * bikefridaywalter is a noob and also gainfully employed and honestly came here just to bother chuqui who refuses to respond to me anyways :D Sep 17 17:59:24 Hehe. Sep 17 17:59:51 Chuqui is severely busy. If we could he would respond. Sep 17 18:00:03 I'm considering looking into porting keepass somehow, since folks (and myself) would find it useful, if the forums are any indication Sep 17 18:00:04 i know, i gathered that Sep 17 18:00:05 Even old timers don't get responses sometimes Sep 17 18:00:13 chuqui doesn't talk to the little people! Sep 17 18:00:21 :P Sep 17 18:00:30 nah, he my boy Sep 17 18:00:42 i managed to get a non-stock email out of him :D Sep 17 18:00:55 I use Lastpass on webOS atm. it kind of sucks, but it's adequate Sep 17 18:00:58 Nownow don't pass around the hatorade. Instead lets think happy thoughts of love and flowers Sep 17 18:01:13 i'd suggest helping wtih keyring.. it's fairly solid Sep 17 18:01:19 chuq is busy reverting unzipped files in Dropbox Sep 17 18:01:32 Lol Sep 17 18:01:40 Bloody hooligans. Sep 17 18:01:53 oh yeah, so holy shit, I finally rewrite Spaz to use Mojo lists Sep 17 18:02:10 like 15 hours later, it's awesome Sep 17 18:02:14 oh mah god! really? woooow! Sep 17 18:02:14 bikefridaywalter: not familiar with keyring, but I'll look into it Sep 17 18:02:16 OH! it's u! many thanks for spaz ^__^ Sep 17 18:02:17 They should ban all you disrespectful kids from the EAP and just have me as the trusted source Sep 17 18:02:23 oh, thanks bikefridaywalter Sep 17 18:02:35 * fprimex high fives funkatron Sep 17 18:02:43 funkatron: thanks for the app, run it every day Sep 17 18:02:46 yeah, it was some crazy shit getting all the listTap/tap stuff sorted out Sep 17 18:02:47 frimpex: it's not pretty or anything, but it works Sep 17 18:02:49 thanks fprimex Sep 17 18:02:55 NOW GO RATE IT 5 STARS Sep 17 18:02:58 * Anivrom|pre low blows funkatron for no apparent reason Sep 17 18:03:03 * bikefridaywalter does as he's told Sep 17 18:03:05 * funkatron doubles over Sep 17 18:03:36 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpLcJ-tRSbY Sep 17 18:03:54 shame it's not the original Sep 17 18:04:09 sometime when i find the chance i'm gonna figure out how to port over foxit for embedded linux.. SO WE CAN READ PDFs Sep 17 18:04:31 * bikefridaywalter pours the hatorade all over the head of Palm's PDF Reader Sep 17 18:04:39 oh here we go http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mV1LWhNpTJU Sep 17 18:04:57 but yeah, Spaz is like, a lot faster and less shitty now Sep 17 18:05:11 maybe I'll eventually release this version Sep 17 18:05:22 i wouldn't call it shitty even when it was shittier Sep 17 18:05:30 well thank you Sep 17 18:05:35 now it should be even less not shitty! Sep 17 18:05:39 Yeah the included reader is pretty bad considering it kicks you in the nads when you try and open over 70% of all pdf files Sep 17 18:05:41 i mean i never went for those retarded paid apps but there was nothing free that was close and had a lot of nice features i liked Sep 17 18:05:55 no sellout bro Sep 17 18:06:23 i've been playing with pdftk trying to figure out if there's metadata or something that's causing the pdfs to fail and i can't find any patterns Sep 17 18:06:52 there was some talk on precentral forums about palm saying it was a tagging issue Sep 17 18:07:08 like metadata in the PDF? Sep 17 18:07:11 and pdftk can change everything including creator, creation date, pdf ids, etc. Sep 17 18:07:18 so i was thinking that was it, but nope. Sep 17 18:07:26 I see Sep 17 18:07:34 next step: look at raw data Sep 17 18:07:38 I'm good at asking the obvious questions Sep 17 18:07:46 then: get frustrated and port over foxit :D Sep 17 18:07:57 I write all my postscript by hand Sep 17 18:10:55 and on that note Sep 17 18:11:02 I need to eat something. ttyl folkx Sep 17 18:32:31 I guess the PDF reader runs out of memory? Sep 17 18:32:56 Should port xpdf, once again Sep 17 18:33:53 i don't think it's a memory issue Sep 17 18:34:15 there are some large pdfs that open fine, whereas smaller ones do not Sep 17 18:34:48 though maybe that's too simplitic.. it may be that there are complex graphics that are more costly to render Sep 17 18:34:55 doesn't has much to do with the size of the document Sep 17 18:35:15 it's the internal element tree and the gfx Sep 17 18:35:38 PalmPDf had always problems with some PDFs which just were too big during rendering Sep 17 18:35:55 the element tree could take several MB of memory, just for nothing Sep 17 18:36:38 hm, i wonder if porting anything over won't be cursed then Sep 17 18:36:39 then you have bitmaps inside which are only some 100 pixels on the screen but internal they are 8MPixel photos Sep 17 18:37:16 Don't know, if one ports xpdf for example, one could at least try to catch some things better Sep 17 18:43:57 didn't realize foxit for embedded linux wasn't f/oss.. i was up late last night and read "easily ported" and that's the take home message i got, so xpdf would be better Sep 17 19:42:43 I'm losing my mind with all this peace and quiet. Sep 17 19:43:20 k whatever trever Sep 17 19:43:29 I thought that it was already lost. :) Sep 17 19:43:37 thats your name isn't it Sep 17 19:43:42 trever Sep 17 19:43:43 Anivrom|pre: I suppose we could go old school and everyone could pipe in what their mp3 player is currently on Sep 17 19:45:07 NP: Sep 17 19:48:09 Haha Sep 17 19:48:27 i'm rocking the peace and quiet, what can i say? :D Sep 17 19:48:49 I'm rockin the casbah Sep 17 19:49:05 And it feels alright Sep 17 19:53:37 Kai forte coupe looks like a good car but they coulda made it look more sporty -_- like a RX-8 or something. Sep 17 19:55:27 BMC Impec mo' beta http://www.bmc-racing.com/us-en/impec/ Sep 17 19:57:52 bikefridaywalter: I'm not a bike guy other than superbikes/crotchrockets Sep 17 19:58:51 * bikefridaywalter shrugs Sep 17 19:58:55 yr loss :D Sep 17 19:59:13 Lol. I just don't like physical excertion Sep 17 19:59:23 * bikefridaywalter sighs Sep 17 20:00:21 But trust me I've done my share of cycling. Cycled to work 30 minutes a day for 3 months before I got a car Sep 17 20:00:45 good on ya Sep 17 20:00:45 But after I got a car my bike rusted Sep 17 20:01:03 :P and rusts even still Sep 17 20:01:19 you need one of these when they're ready https://bikefridaywalter.wordpress.com/2009/10/03/etikit/ Sep 17 20:04:15 bikefridaywalter: well I'll have wheels by tomorrow so I don't think I'll be buying a bike soon :P I actually prefer to roller blade Sep 17 20:04:33 oh man i am so bad with roller blades Sep 17 20:04:42 Dangit. Now I have rock the casbah stuck in my head Sep 17 20:04:49 last time i tried them i had a gaggle of pre-teens laughing at me Sep 17 20:05:25 Rollerblades become a part of my legs when I put them on Sep 17 20:05:44 that's how i feel about my bike Sep 17 20:06:01 course it ain't no POS, either.. tailored to fit makes all the difference Sep 17 20:07:25 Lol. I rode a ccm 21 speed from walmart. I could qulify for the olympics with that thing. Sep 17 20:07:50 I'd be the special olympics but they're all the same! Sep 17 20:08:52 wow, redrawing the entire screen in canvas per frame is killer Sep 17 20:09:13 Killer to your performance? Yeah Sep 17 20:09:17 yep Sep 17 20:09:24 the only reason you could qualify for the olympics is because of all the strength it took to push that robot-welded piece of garbage around Sep 17 20:09:45 Lol. Heavier the better right? Sep 17 20:09:59 for training, hell yes :D Sep 17 20:10:35 http://github.com/creationix/com.creationix.sousaball/blob/master/lib/main.js#L33-47 Sep 17 20:10:40 Creationix: do you "need" to draw the whole frame everytime or are there parts that don't need to be drawn? Sep 17 20:10:54 I don't need to Sep 17 20:10:57 I just want to Sep 17 20:11:04 but it appears it's too expensive Sep 17 20:12:20 Why would you want to if you don't need to lol Sep 17 20:12:38 so I could add more cool animations Sep 17 20:12:54 and simplify the code Sep 17 20:12:57 a lot Sep 17 20:13:02 Well then that's a "need" Sep 17 20:13:14 need or not, it's too slow Sep 17 20:13:25 Yea Sep 17 20:13:27 runs great on my mbp though :) Sep 17 20:13:33 Heh Sep 17 20:13:40 the js process is 93% idle Sep 17 20:13:58 O rly. Sep 17 20:15:48 I'm having perf issues with my minigame too cause I redraw. Only thing is there isn't any other way arounf mine except creating a separate canvas for every elemetnt and just moving the canvases across the screen Sep 17 20:16:52 Which I migt as well make a DOM game at that point. Although half is bg redraw and other half is legitimate canvas stuff Sep 17 20:19:22 I find css transformations/transitions to be laggy and very inconsistant Sep 17 20:19:58 Especially when you have a game loop running at 18 fps Sep 17 20:20:07 With is slow by games standards Sep 17 20:20:16 Which Sep 17 20:20:49 I think the true power of webOS is waiting to be found in new hardware Sep 17 20:20:57 it's pretty limiting on the pre Sep 17 20:21:01 though it's a great toy Sep 17 20:21:31 Heh. No we just need to have better access to the gpu in the sdk enviroment Sep 17 20:21:49 acellerated canvas would be awesome Sep 17 20:21:58 and a newer webkit version Sep 17 20:22:10 Harness those threads for cpu stuffs! Sep 17 20:22:17 css3 transforms are gpu right? Sep 17 20:22:33 Uhh not necessarily Sep 17 20:22:44 I know they are on desktop browsers Sep 17 20:23:13 anyway, back to optimizing my game to run on the pre Sep 17 20:23:22 I had it running on an eeepc 701 Sep 17 20:23:29 I'm not completly sure about this bs I'm about to spew but.... WebOS is based on webkit which to my knowledge doesn't utilize the gpu Sep 17 20:23:30 so it should be possible Sep 17 20:23:38 webkit can Sep 17 20:23:45 depends on how it's wired up Sep 17 20:23:47 Which is the big question in 2.0, will webkit use the gpu Sep 17 20:23:59 I hope so Sep 17 20:24:04 Thus enabling hardwar accelerated UI Sep 17 20:24:07 the gpu seems decent Sep 17 20:24:29 Which will make the pre's laggy ui seem on par with other platforms Sep 17 20:24:37 laglaglag Sep 17 20:24:39 Seem = be Sep 17 20:24:41 considering we don't even get css or canvas gradients Sep 17 20:24:47 there is a long way to go Sep 17 20:24:54 Heh. That's coming I think Sep 17 20:25:34 2.0 is going to bring alot of changes because they are looking forward to new devices. Sep 17 20:25:49 Forward/ahead Sep 17 20:31:11 so, what the hell is Precentral going on about Palm taking away opoortunities for devs with 2.0? Sep 17 20:32:32 no idea, I just ignore P|C Sep 17 20:34:36 read it, halfhalo, read it and weep Sep 17 20:34:57 meh Sep 17 20:37:02 haeffb_pre: post Sep 17 20:37:26 blah Sep 17 20:37:42 top story at precentral Sep 17 20:38:05