**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Sep 22 02:59:57 2010 Sep 22 03:00:03 It's on line 20 of /projects/makefile/makefile-pdk-device Sep 22 03:00:37 alexfner: remove the glx.h include, change the GL/gl.h include to GLES/gl.h and you should get down to a small number of errors Sep 22 03:02:23 Amaranth: yessir Sep 22 03:05:15 gah Sep 22 03:05:31 Robdor: so I just add -D__PALMPDK__ as a compiler flag? Sep 22 03:05:41 Yeah Sep 22 03:06:21 hmm... Sep 22 03:06:24 that does not work Sep 22 03:06:50 Still getting the same errors? Sep 22 03:08:44 I can package up my SOIL changes and send them over to you if you would like. Sep 22 03:10:32 yeah, maybe Sep 22 03:10:35 this is frustrating Sep 22 03:10:38 not sure what is the matter Sep 22 03:10:56 throws a ton of errors Sep 22 03:13:27 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2742009/soil.zip Sep 22 03:17:06 awe Sep 22 03:17:09 that didn't work Sep 22 03:17:15 man this suck Sep 22 03:17:28 What errors are you getting with my modifications? Sep 22 03:17:59 the same as before Sep 22 03:18:10 it's just unrecognizes openGL commands Sep 22 03:19:22 Robdor: http://pastebin.com/kxAKv8a2 Sep 22 03:20:32 that's build only for the lib Sep 22 03:21:59 Hmmm, it looks like you are only telling the compiler to look in -Isrc/SOIL for files. Try adding this too: -I/opt/PalmPDK/include Sep 22 03:24:05 ah yes Sep 22 03:24:07 it worked Sep 22 03:24:09 but Sep 22 03:24:11 build/libSOIL.a: Malformed archive Sep 22 03:28:19 I mean it all compiled Sep 22 03:28:22 and built Sep 22 03:28:25 but with a malform Sep 22 03:29:13 Sorry, I ducked out for a few minutes. So the output is the same as before minus the compiler errors? Sep 22 03:29:44 minus all the errors Sep 22 03:29:48 but still with malformed archive Sep 22 03:31:56 Try clearing out all of your .o files and building again. Maybe some of them are still sticking around from when you tried building it for your host architecture. Sep 22 03:32:02 ah Sep 22 03:32:03 lets see Sep 22 03:32:05 might have it Sep 22 03:33:29 rob Sep 22 03:33:50 so I just move the executable to a folder with the resources and app info, and package it, and I should be able to move it to the device? Sep 22 03:34:03 (that's appinfo.json Sep 22 03:36:22 alexfner: Yep Sep 22 03:36:34 Oh, you have to strip the binary before submitting it too. Sep 22 03:37:41 -s in compile flag? Sep 22 03:39:25 I just call arm-none-linux-gnueabi-strip as my last step. Sep 22 03:40:00 Last step on the final binary I mean. Sep 22 03:44:36 dude, rob, you've been immensely helpful Sep 22 03:44:41 I owe you much Sep 22 03:45:18 I'm glad that it worked for you. When are you submitting your app? Sep 22 03:56:06 hopefully tonight Sep 22 03:56:13 gonna stay up till 5am if necessary :D Sep 22 03:57:53 this app is taking forever to transfer to the device... Sep 22 03:58:02 I hope it's not the SDK version I am on -_- Sep 22 04:02:05 palm-install should work, and be relatively quick, yes? Sep 22 04:06:53 ught oh Sep 22 04:07:02 Robdor: doesn't launch on the device? Sep 22 04:07:06 any ideas? Sep 22 04:09:06 brb Sep 22 04:11:28 I tap the icon and it lights up for a moment, then nothing Sep 22 04:13:21 wait a minute! Sep 22 04:18:01 alexfner: Did you find the problem? Sep 22 04:31:05 blah blah blah... Go write an article on webos101.com already! Sep 22 04:40:53 hmm Sep 22 04:40:58 I went to get a mcflurry Sep 22 04:41:00 I am back to work Sep 22 04:41:06 I hate to admit that, even Sep 22 04:41:09 Roy-Pre101: Writing articles on webos101.com is for chumps. ;) Sep 22 04:41:24 alexfner: Was it a celebratory mcflurry? Sep 22 04:41:40 kind of, my roomate wanted to go get food Sep 22 04:41:56 and, being that it's past midnight, I offered up mcdonalds as the only option Sep 22 04:42:03 so he took it Sep 22 04:42:07 and then I got a mcfluury Sep 22 04:42:12 to celebrate going to mcdonalds Sep 22 04:42:43 Robdor: Pfft. Sep 22 04:43:18 I've been trying to flesh out the PDK stuff. Sep 22 04:43:23 There's a lot to do. Sep 22 04:44:31 its all lies Sep 22 04:46:57 uh oh Sep 22 04:46:59 rob Sep 22 04:47:02 the app is very slow Sep 22 04:47:05 this doesn't look good Sep 22 04:47:10 on the device Sep 22 04:47:14 oh my god it's amazingly slow Sep 22 04:47:26 s l o w . . . Sep 22 04:47:52 Roy-Pre101: I'll probably be sticking something about triangle strips on there next week. Sep 22 04:49:04 I need to speed up chipmunk Sep 22 04:49:06 thoughts? Sep 22 04:49:15 it's all just chipmunk, maybe Sep 22 04:49:49 alexfner: How many integrations/second are you doing? Sep 22 04:50:26 alexfner: Can you add a page on using Chipmunk to webos101.com? Links to a precompiled library would be nice, too. Sep 22 04:50:45 cpSpaceStep(1/60) Sep 22 04:51:06 Roy-Pre101: I can add a lot to webOS101 on pdk stuff Sep 22 04:51:12 just remind me, or something Sep 22 04:51:57 Are you getting low FPS' or is are is the gravity just slow? Sep 22 04:52:08 alexfner: I'm reminding you... Sep 22 04:52:18 I am not using gravity Sep 22 04:52:42 so I don't know what fps are at, but physics is just running slowly Sep 22 04:52:52 frames per second Sep 22 04:52:58 so a flick on the computer will throw the ball at a very high rate of speed across the screen Sep 22 04:53:05 I know what fps are, I don't know how many I am getting Sep 22 04:53:17 in the pdk, the ball just moves very slowly Sep 22 04:53:33 but will end up across the screen Sep 22 04:54:14 alexfner: Oops, I read "are at" as "are". :) Sep 22 04:54:30 yeah my english is not good, I are engineer Sep 22 04:55:41 Roy-Pre101: I have been reminded Sep 22 04:57:17 Is the ball a textured triangle strip or are you drawing a circle with a line loop? Sep 22 04:57:30 textured cirlce w/alpha Sep 22 04:57:35 there are also a few oddities Sep 22 04:57:49 a few textures are displaying in thewrong places Sep 22 05:03:15 so rob Sep 22 05:03:23 navigating menus and stuff is really spiffy Sep 22 05:03:34 it's just the engine is running slow Sep 22 05:03:45 it's all in the same thread... Sep 22 05:11:39 Running in the same thread shouldn't be a problem. Plasma Cannon runs everything in one thread. My natural instinct is to start looking into the drawing methods when there are performance problems. Sep 22 05:14:56 yeah... Sep 22 05:15:01 I also can't ssh onto the device Sep 22 05:15:05 so I can't see what's going on Sep 22 05:15:07 this is odd Sep 22 05:15:13 cause it isn't that large of a program Sep 22 05:15:18 drawing seems to be fine Sep 22 05:15:33 side from alpha of pngs, but I assumed soil would convert that Sep 22 05:18:35 Sorry to leave you hanging, but I have to get to bed. I have meetings that start pretty early tomorrow. Sep 22 05:18:51 hey thanks for everythng Sep 22 05:18:55 Good luck getting stuff working. Sep 22 05:19:12 without you I wouldn't have a place to be stuck hanging Sep 22 05:19:42 I'm always happy to help. Good night everybody. Sep 22 05:32:39 I guess my values for the physics engine were just too low for a device Sep 22 05:32:49 cause when I crank up the values by about 30x, it all works fine Sep 22 05:32:56 speedy Sep 22 05:36:25 alexfner: is it not based on the clock? Sep 22 05:36:34 the only thing the device should affect is the fps Sep 22 05:36:57 the physics engine is not based on a timer, no Sep 22 05:37:23 I see Sep 22 05:45:11 yeah frames are really not an issue Sep 22 05:45:14 it's completely smooth Sep 22 05:45:19 the values were just too small Sep 22 06:11:29 howdy, been configuring a freebsserverd Sep 22 06:41:32 LoneStar99: yo Sep 22 06:50:15 yo Sep 22 06:53:25 good morning Sep 22 06:54:32 mrong Sep 22 06:54:35 morning Sep 22 07:13:09 good lightning show going on outisd Sep 22 07:13:10 e Sep 22 07:37:38 lightning is getting a little too close... Sep 22 08:37:17 morning Sep 22 08:38:32 morning Sep 22 08:38:48 There is a WP7 tour... should i go? :S Sep 22 09:00:06 hi Sep 22 09:00:34 hi Sep 22 09:01:12 So, are there any actual palm employees here? Sep 22 09:01:38 I'm looking to clarify information regarding distribution of my software Sep 22 09:03:13 They normally come later (time difference) Sep 22 09:03:18 in about 8 hours or so Sep 22 09:03:51 I thought as much Sep 22 09:04:05 Well I suppose I'll throw the question out anyway Sep 22 09:04:26 Are the terms of the acceptance for the palm app catalog compatible with a GPL-type license? Sep 22 09:04:52 ie. can I redistribute my software and allow others to redistribute/modify, while also having it available through the app catalog? Sep 22 09:12:10 hmm Sep 22 09:12:36 Send an email to Palm and ask Sep 22 09:13:27 Good plan. Sep 22 09:13:47 what other "ways" will you distribute? Sep 22 09:17:37 I won't be. But I want to allow others to be able to if they wish to do so Sep 22 09:33:43 Hi all, I've got small stupid question, I want to use http://www.webos101.com/Mojo.Event_-_Detect_Card_Resize so I put this.resizeHandler = this.resize.bindAsEventListener(this); this.controller.listen(this.controller.window, 'resize', this.resizeHandler, false); into setup function and this.controller.stopListening(this.controller.window, 'resize', this.resizeHandler, false); in cleanup function. Sep 22 09:33:43 I don't know where to put code from resize function. I was trying putting it into MainAssistan.prototype.resize = function but this is not workig. Could you help me? Sep 22 09:37:17 Can you pastebin your code? Sep 22 09:37:31 yes, wait a second :) Sep 22 09:40:09 http://webos.pastebin.com/8EcNQZzM Sep 22 09:44:05 and you never enter MainAssistant.prototype.resize = function(event) { ? Sep 22 09:44:11 console.log("test"); Sep 22 09:44:45 And your app is not fullscreen right? Sep 22 09:44:56 No, my app ic not fullscreen Sep 22 09:45:01 *is not Sep 22 09:49:14 and you never enter the method? Sep 22 09:49:20 ok, I don't know why but suddenly it start working Sep 22 09:51:20 that good :P Sep 22 09:51:36 but now I've got a second problem, when I get notification I need to change the positions of my buttons, I know that I can do it using $("something").style.top = ... but I've got all my declarations in css file. Can I do something like $("something").style.top = current + 20px ?? Sep 22 09:55:32 ddluk, sure you can Sep 22 09:59:52 yer Sep 22 10:00:03 WebOS = everything is possibler :P Sep 22 11:20:08 is the palm-inspector unreliable ? I have elements on screen and it tells me they have "display:none;" set o_O Sep 22 11:32:08 hmm.. nvm, it's just a weird way of handling things Sep 22 12:18:57 hi guys ... i want to save a file on device .. anyone known how to do that? Sep 22 12:21:32 file? Sep 22 12:21:36 and where? Sep 22 12:21:47 via code or usb? Sep 22 12:23:15 via code Sep 22 12:23:22 on to device Sep 22 12:24:41 dunno Sep 22 12:25:41 :( Sep 22 12:39:47 raghuk use following Service http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1790&Itemid=273#download Sep 22 12:45:32 morning all Sep 22 12:47:28 good morning LoneStar99 Sep 22 12:49:47 ddluk: can i create a file with download manager via code? Sep 22 12:51:15 raghuk No, you can only download or upload a file. Sep 22 12:53:42 download manager can read cookies and fetch file which is authenticated? Sep 22 12:55:23 is there any ay to view a file, which is authenticated? using any viewers or download manager ? Sep 22 13:19:55 Anyone here? Sep 22 13:26:36 yer Sep 22 13:27:53 error: Error: Cannot call method 'bindAsEventListener' of undefined, line undefined, file undefined Sep 22 13:28:00 Any ideas? Sep 22 13:28:20 yes Sep 22 13:28:34 bindAsEventListener is not defined :) Sep 22 13:28:47 Then what do I use? Sep 22 13:28:56 I guess you do not define the event in setup Sep 22 13:29:04 pastebin Sep 22 13:29:34 I'm trying to use that to make this.handleTap my tap handling function. I thought that was the right code. Sep 22 13:30:06 this.handleTap = this.tap.bindAsEventListener(this); Sep 22 13:30:09 i might be :) Sep 22 13:30:10 THe line in question. Sep 22 13:30:16 If you pastebin the code i will take a look Sep 22 13:30:59 what is "tap" ` Sep 22 13:31:29 http://webos.pastebin.com/Uf7Qneej Sep 22 13:31:32 Not a clue. Sep 22 13:31:37 I'm stealing from Palm's code. Sep 22 13:32:18 1 sec Sep 22 13:33:12 i see a problem Sep 22 13:34:53 Do tell. Sep 22 13:36:23 yes Sep 22 13:36:43 ..What is it? Sep 22 13:36:55 you dont have a "tap" Sep 22 13:37:17 Neither did Palm, and their code worked fine. Sep 22 13:37:30 that sounds very strange Sep 22 13:38:05 what happens if you write "handleTap" insteed? Sep 22 13:39:39 But if it is 100% same code as Palm and it works there it is strange Sep 22 13:41:35 KGF2009: http://webos.pastebin.com/yw0tX5GX ... hope this works Sep 22 13:42:40 that is also a way Sep 22 13:50:04 Next issue: Where do I get SystemService? Sep 22 13:53:30 KGF2009: http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1538&Itemid=285 Sep 22 13:53:49 :) Sep 22 13:59:48 That's not it. Sep 22 14:00:22 Example: this.getTimeZoneValuesReq = SystemService.getTimeZoneValues(this.timeZoneQuery); Sep 22 14:03:29 not sure what u'r looking for Sep 22 15:05:01 is it feasible to attempt compiling on-device Sep 22 16:14:54 anyone already used phonegap ? Sep 22 16:17:21 Ah, thanks for reminding. I have to get that for Symbian.รถ Sep 22 16:23:27 warpdesign__: thinking about it Sep 22 16:26:08 I'm looking for a simple example and can't find any Sep 22 16:26:19 gettings started only show how to prepare your environment.. Sep 22 16:26:29 but nothing about creating a simple "hello world" using phone gap.. Sep 22 16:30:48 warpdesign__: swisstomcat has used phonegap, and I think there is a palm blog post about it Sep 22 16:31:32 hi sugardave get a second interview for CEO with HP yet? Sep 22 16:31:34 if you can't hello world, you'll never know Sep 22 16:31:46 torchie: I compiled RoM MUD on my stock Pre the day I got it Sep 22 16:31:56 Bmyers: not yet, I think I'm next ;) Sep 22 16:32:22 as someone who was in the running for palm, i would think so Sep 22 16:32:51 does webOS have any APIs built in for SVG rendering? Sep 22 16:32:56 no Sep 22 16:33:21 any hope of building librsvg for it? Sep 22 16:34:09 doubtful, but I'm not sure about it Sep 22 16:36:32 sugardave, ok, I'll see with him then Sep 22 16:45:07 oy Sep 22 17:57:44 evening Sep 22 17:58:31 packing for jsconf.eu :) Sep 22 17:59:15 word up homes Sep 22 18:04:53 dirka dirka! Sep 22 18:05:11 dirkadied? Sep 22 18:07:32 Anyone seen catfish yet? Sep 22 18:07:40 October first it comes out in canader Sep 22 18:28:05 yay, jsberlin on thursday, phonegap training on friday and jsconfeu on saturday and sunday :) Sep 22 18:28:21 nice Sep 22 19:09:40 alexfner: Reminding you again. :) Sep 22 19:09:47 heh Sep 22 19:09:54 I'll probably need a few more nudges Sep 22 19:09:56 here and there Sep 22 19:10:07 * Roy-Pre101 nudges alexfner. Sep 22 19:10:30 swisstomcat: Sounds like a fantastic weekend. :) Sep 22 19:22:10 roy-pre101: oh yeah :) Sep 22 19:23:26 man all I need to do to submit this app is get the sound working Sep 22 19:23:40 but for some reason mix_ commands are not working Sep 22 19:32:48 alexfner: That sounds bad. Sep 22 19:32:52 I need to add sound to my app. Sep 22 19:32:54 Any tips? Sep 22 19:33:02 pdk or sdk? Sep 22 19:33:02 chuqui: chuqui! Sep 22 19:33:05 pdk Sep 22 19:33:08 hey hey Sep 22 19:33:16 wakkawakka Sep 22 19:33:18 well, if you need to play multiple sounds concurrently Sep 22 19:33:21 use SDL_mixer Sep 22 19:33:30 I don't think I need to. Sep 22 19:33:30 and if you get it running, let me know :D Sep 22 19:33:35 mornin' chuqui Sep 22 19:33:38 then you can just use SDL_audio Sep 22 19:34:12 I swear, I'm getting old. I went to look up something in Firefox 15 minutes ago and I still can't remember what I Was supposed to search for. Sep 22 19:35:41 Roy-Pre101: time for a faster computer Sep 22 19:35:52 and bigger screen so you can enlarge the text Sep 22 19:35:54 time for caffeine Sep 22 19:36:01 Mmmm Sep 22 19:39:38 chuqui so that contest that we discussed, with the various prizes, if you'll remember that time we discussed this... Sep 22 19:40:16 folks, new york times is looking for a webos Dev in the NYC area. If you're interested, look here: http://jobview.monster.com/JavaScript-Software-Engineer-Job-New-York-NY-US-90506424.aspx Sep 22 19:42:46 chuqui: nice Sep 22 19:45:09 would be neat if I was in the nyc Sep 22 19:46:51 man this is flusterbating Sep 22 19:46:56 can't get mix_audio to work Sep 22 19:47:06 it understands declarations of mix types Sep 22 19:47:11 but not mix_ functions Sep 22 19:48:14 woo! Sep 22 19:48:22 nytimes loves us Sep 22 19:49:11 alexfner: Did you find out what was causing the performance problems? Sep 22 19:49:31 Robdor: yeah, a bad algorithm for detecting he ball throw Sep 22 19:49:40 :D Sep 22 19:49:48 the only thing left is sound Sep 22 19:49:52 which I am failing pretty hard at Sep 22 19:49:57 sdl_mixer.h Sep 22 19:50:01 SDL_Mixer is a pain. Sep 22 19:50:01 not working Sep 22 19:50:40 Are you getting errors? Sep 22 19:50:53 Or is it just not playing sound? Sep 22 19:51:13 errors Sep 22 19:51:19 not recognizing mix_ functions Sep 22 19:51:26 but it does recognize mix_ data types Sep 22 19:52:55 At compile time or link time? Sep 22 19:53:11 compile Sep 22 19:53:20 I mean, mixer is included with the pdk stuff Sep 22 19:53:56 ah Sep 22 19:53:57 got it Sep 22 19:54:07 forgot to link to SDL_mixer :D Sep 22 19:54:15 thanks rob Sep 22 19:54:20 I'm gonna go get som Qdoba, brb Sep 22 19:54:41 Qdoba? Sep 22 19:55:09 do you know of Chipotle? Sep 22 19:55:39 the semi-fastfood mexican restaurant thing Sep 22 19:55:40 it's like that Sep 22 19:56:02 Qdoba is like Chipotle's retarded half brother. Sep 22 19:56:10 :) Sep 22 19:56:29 * swisstomcat is hungry Sep 22 19:57:34 Never heard of them, I don't think we have Qdoba or Chipotle around these parts. :) Sep 22 19:57:48 Qdoba has the best mango salsa Sep 22 19:58:16 Robdor: You're missing out. Sep 22 19:58:52 I still haven't eaten at qdoba Sep 22 19:58:53 how are their tacos Sep 22 19:59:34 Dunno, never had a taco there. But I get stuck at Qdoba in airports and the place just blows, imo. Sep 22 20:00:03 Is it like Taco Bell? Sep 22 20:00:53 nothing is like taco bell Sep 22 20:01:21 Fortunately Sep 22 20:01:29 :) Sep 22 20:01:37 dang Sep 22 20:01:48 there's a qdoba at uni Sep 22 20:01:52 what's new in the world of Palm? Sep 22 20:02:00 but I always eat at this little stand in the middle of the place called salsa2go Sep 22 20:02:37 dohtem: not much, tablet and new phones announced Sep 22 20:04:00 heh, you made me look :) Sep 22 20:04:46 no news .. same old, same old Sep 22 20:05:08 PAAAALM! Sep 22 20:05:35 i'm lining up an anwesome weekend, jsberlin, phonegap training, jsconf.eu (with ben and dion among other rockstars) Sep 22 20:06:02 nice. will you be giving any talks? Sep 22 20:06:18 no, just listening Sep 22 20:06:28 and learning Sep 22 20:06:36 several node talks Sep 22 20:07:29 html5,svg,canvas,couchdb,... Sep 22 20:07:36 I heard a few people excited about jsconf.eu Sep 22 20:17:55 sharepoint is some of the suckiest suck that has ever sucked Sep 22 20:18:12 ohhhhhh Sep 22 20:18:12 snap Sep 22 20:19:30 no he did-int Sep 22 20:19:43 int did = 5 Sep 22 20:21:34 Don't forget the ; Sep 22 20:22:32 ;;;;;;;; Sep 22 20:26:43 n8 everyone Sep 22 20:26:57 later Sep 22 20:29:24 oh man ate that qdoba too fast Sep 22 20:45:55 greetings Sep 22 20:49:49 Hi codeslaw Sep 22 20:49:59 yo Sep 22 21:16:13 anyone here with an ipod nano? Sep 22 21:19:50 nah Sep 22 21:23:15 wanted to get the prior generation to this one, b.c it has fm radio built in Sep 22 21:25:58 Hey all. Sep 22 21:26:29 rwhitby, you around? Sep 22 21:30:39 KGF2009: I perused your pastebin from this morning. Your tap handler was a typo...did you get past that part yet? Sep 22 21:31:08 I did. Sep 22 21:31:12 Now I have an issue with the timezone scene. Sep 22 21:31:31 what's wrong with it? Sep 22 21:32:08 SystemService not defined. Sep 22 21:32:14 doesn't the new ipod nano have an fm radio too? Sep 22 21:32:25 Yes. The 5G does. Sep 22 21:32:40 and it is also beautiful and stuff Sep 22 21:34:18 KGF2009: can you pastebin the part where you try to use the service? Sep 22 21:34:31 I don't have the code with me (on my palm) but it was a SystemService.something call to get the timezone list. Sep 22 21:35:24 well, that's a little vague Sep 22 21:35:42 Gimme 20 minutes and I'll be home. Sep 22 21:35:56 I'll be playing Assassin's Creed II :D Sep 22 21:37:06 KGF2009: here's generally how to use the system service: http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1867 Sep 22 21:37:54 Second time I've gotten that link. Sep 22 21:38:25 KGF2009: that's probably because it's a good one ;) Sep 22 21:38:54 But it's not what Palm used. Sep 22 21:38:57 the part that says: var request = new Mojo.Service.Request(....) Sep 22 21:39:27 Really wish I had the code right now. Sep 22 21:39:29 which Palm example are you looking at? Sep 22 21:39:44 Date and Time. Sep 22 21:39:50 from? Sep 22 21:40:01 ...The palm itself. Sep 22 21:40:07 oh, the phone app? Sep 22 21:40:09 heh Sep 22 21:40:16 com.palm.app.dateandtime Sep 22 21:40:31 yeah, I got you now Sep 22 21:40:48 what is your app id? Sep 22 21:41:10 com.kgf.worldclock Sep 22 21:41:39 I wonder if com.palm apps have "special" globals available....unlikely, but not impossible Sep 22 21:41:48 com.palm apps get to do all kinds of "special" things Sep 22 21:42:29 Yeah. Sep 22 21:42:38 regardless, it is probably something you're missing, where they make some object called SystemService or whatever it is that says undefined Sep 22 21:44:14 You can find it in /usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.dateandtime/app/controllers/timezone-assistant.js Sep 22 21:44:18 I think. Sep 22 21:44:48 Almost home, anyway. Sep 22 21:47:53 KGF2009: it's in the 'models' directory. SystemService.js is what makes that object/class Sep 22 21:48:28 So I copy that over and it'll work? Sep 22 21:48:50 probably copy and then include in sources.json, that might work Sep 22 21:49:00 depends on what else it might depend on in SystemService.js Sep 22 21:49:11 Include it how? Sep 22 21:49:13 this sounds like the hard way to learn Mojo apps Sep 22 21:50:26 you have to include files in sources.json in the app directory....creating a new scene with eclipse or some other ide automatically does it for your scene's assistant, but "extra" .js needs to be added by you Sep 22 21:50:30 I learn faster from example than I ever will from a tutorial. Sep 22 21:50:46 That much I know. Sep 22 21:50:51 I would put forth that these might not be the best examples....sorry Palm peeps :D Sep 22 21:51:24 Perhaps not, but I need that timezone scene for my app. Sep 22 21:51:38 but, you can always try copying that models dir and file and adding the line to sources.json Sep 22 21:51:46 and see if it works Sep 22 21:52:04 bbl Sep 22 22:23:23 When was the hot apps leader board last updated? It seems like i've been stuck in the same place for a while. Sep 22 22:34:42 chuqui: thx :D Sep 22 22:34:53 no problemo Sep 22 22:35:07 now i REALLY can't wait to get off work Sep 22 22:36:38 um, ew? Sep 22 22:36:47 oh, there's no "at", nm Sep 22 22:44:03 lol Sep 22 22:53:33 Hi all Sep 22 22:53:58 Do I just need a cig lighter to usb thingy to get my touchstone working in a car? Thanks :) Sep 22 22:55:28 sorry Mousey what did you say? i was busy "taking care of myself" Sep 22 22:55:54 * Mousey hides Sep 22 22:56:01 :) Sep 22 22:56:28 hopefully the fact that i'm just kidding is implied Sep 22 22:57:19 Anybody? Sep 22 22:57:31 * bikefridaywalter doesn't even have a touchstone Sep 22 22:57:39 :( Sep 22 22:57:56 But they're aaawesome Sep 22 22:58:08 i bet Sep 22 22:58:16 even if mine is slightly defective Sep 22 22:58:17 >.> Sep 22 23:00:46 Looks like I do just need a USB thingy Sep 22 23:00:48 nice Sep 22 23:02:57 so... has anyone else sliced a key open with thumbnail? Sep 22 23:03:24 poor shift key has been penetrated :( Sep 22 23:17:32 Boopop: you need a usb to cig lighter thingy that pushes 1 amp Sep 22 23:17:59 haeffb: Ah...do most of them do that, not many or...? Sep 22 23:19:12 many but not all, I think Sep 22 23:19:21 wtf my phone is acting crazy slow all of a sudden Sep 22 23:19:23 the official Palm one does Sep 22 23:20:47 haeffb: Hmm Well I'm looking at a few different "universal" chargers. As in, ones where it's a lighter to USB and they give you an extra set of cables. Sep 22 23:20:51 That should do it with any luck Sep 22 23:21:29 ugh i think i'm gonna have to pull my battery :( Sep 22 23:22:53 phew managed to reset Sep 22 23:32:05 weird the thing slowing my phone down was trying to reply to an email Sep 22 23:32:57 the 11th message in a thread if i'm looking at this correctly Sep 22 23:33:00 via gmail's imap Sep 22 23:33:06 anyone ever had anything like that before??? Sep 22 23:43:43 is there an api for contact sync? like, how hard would it be to write a LDAP backend for contacts? Sep 22 23:44:13 I'm having trouble with the last item in my list. it doesn't have all my css applied to it. Any ideas? Sep 23 00:34:37 bwahahaha: http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/failblog/~3/1oMYEPExhBI/ Sep 23 00:37:30 Roy-Pre101: did you get the landscape issue resolved in relego? Sep 23 00:37:38 Negative. Sep 23 01:05:15 so i just did the update Sep 23 01:05:19 what did it give me? Sep 23 01:28:21 yo Sep 23 01:34:33 sugardave: You there? Sep 23 01:38:04 Anyone? Sep 23 01:38:47 oil? Sep 23 01:40:44 * haeffb hides in corner Sep 23 01:41:03 haeffb! Yay! Sep 23 01:41:20 Okay, um.. Sep 23 01:41:26 $('tzlist').observe(Mojo.Event.listTap, this.handleTap.bindAsEventListener(this)); Sep 23 01:41:37 How do I stop 'observing' that? Sep 23 01:41:46 Palm has no info on observe at all. Sep 23 01:42:16 yeah, I don't know. That's why I suggested the this.controller.listen(...) instead Sep 23 01:43:55 Okay, how do I use listen? Palm isn't very specific. Sep 23 01:50:13 ping KG Sep 23 01:50:16 KGF2009: Sep 23 01:50:29 pong codeslaw Sep 23 01:51:04 Mojo.Event.listen($('myListeningDiv'), Mojo.Event.tap, this.handleTap.bind(this)); Sep 23 01:51:14 for example Sep 23 01:57:17 And.. Mojo.Event.stopListening($('tzlist'), Mojo.Event.listTap, this.handleTap); Sep 23 01:57:26 Would be the correct function to stop listening? Sep 23 01:58:59 KGF2009: Read webos101.com Sep 23 01:59:12 Read up on bind Sep 23 02:11:21 I hate my pre.... bleh. Sep 23 02:13:49 Hello there Sep 23 02:13:56 where? Sep 23 02:14:00 Here Sep 23 02:14:04 Oh, hello. Sep 23 02:14:06 Hi Sep 23 02:14:12 Breaking news... Sep 23 02:14:16 I hate my Pre. Sep 23 02:14:23 WebOS developers are considered contractors for Palm, correct? Sep 23 02:14:23 You heard it second! Sep 23 02:14:25 lol Sep 23 02:14:29 What happened? Sep 23 02:14:36 everything. Sep 23 02:14:42 Well. Sep 23 02:14:43 Anything I can help you with? Sep 23 02:14:57 My power button broke. I had to fix it, so I'm good now.. Sep 23 02:15:01 Oh cool Sep 23 02:15:06 I still hate it though. Sep 23 02:15:09 My pre has a permanent "stuck in headset mode" problem Sep 23 02:15:18 hot some headphones? Sep 23 02:15:21 got* Sep 23 02:15:30 I have to use the ghastly headset app to force it to phone speaker mode after each phone call Sep 23 02:15:33 It's kinda annoying Sep 23 02:15:53 You have some headphones around you? Sep 23 02:15:53 I took it to the sprint store and they said it was so dirty on the inside that it wasn't within warranty to clean it out. I'm like... seriously? Sep 23 02:15:58 I've tried that Sep 23 02:16:03 It's like permanently stuck Sep 23 02:16:07 eeh. Sep 23 02:16:20 After a restart it goes back to headset mode Sep 23 02:16:44 I'm using my developer money to upgrade to the next palm device Sep 23 02:16:45 lol. Don't jynx me. I don't need another problem out of this phone. Sep 23 02:16:49 heh Sep 23 02:16:55 Oh, and my ringer switch doesn't work that well Sep 23 02:17:02 I think that may be related to the headset, I don't know Sep 23 02:17:04 Sprint Pre? Sep 23 02:17:07 Yep Sep 23 02:17:12 Dec 09 was purchase date Sep 23 02:17:35 Ive never had a phone that had hardware this shoddy. Sep 23 02:17:39 Same here Sep 23 02:17:53 I talked to Palm about it and they said that they can send me a replacement Sep 23 02:18:07 but I either need to deposit $400 on a credit card (which I don't have) or send it to them first Sep 23 02:18:12 and I can't go 2 weeks without a phone Sep 23 02:18:29 If I make a scene pop off and give a variable as it does, and the scene before it has an activate(event) function, where will the variable be in event? Sep 23 02:18:31 PLUS if they find any sort of physical damage on it then they'll charge me retail price for the replacement Sep 23 02:18:31 I'm trying to contact Verizons Exec offices and get an Android replacement... Sep 23 02:18:50 Aww, stick with WebOS! Sep 23 02:18:54 It's the best! Sep 23 02:19:02 I'll be back when the hardware is up to par. Sep 23 02:19:11 I love WebOS. Sep 23 02:19:11 :D Sep 23 02:19:13 Same Sep 23 02:19:23 I HATE THE HARDWARE!! Sep 23 02:19:47 * KGF2009 pokes haeffb. Sep 23 02:19:50 I don't even think my pre is symmetrical anymore. I've only dropped it twice. Sep 23 02:20:01 * Gu1l7y_work pokes haeffb. Sep 23 02:20:06 Lol Sep 23 02:20:11 I baby my Pre Sep 23 02:20:38 Same, but I'm not carrying it in an armoured case though. Sep 23 02:26:29 * haeffb feels poked Sep 23 02:26:47 yes, there will be Sep 23 02:27:15 Where? Sep 23 02:27:20 Anyone know how to put being a WebOS Developer on a resume? Sep 23 02:27:29 Yes Sep 23 02:27:43 Senior Software Developer for WebOS Sep 23 02:27:49 Haha Sep 23 02:27:58 And when they call Ruby up for a reference? Sep 23 02:27:59 Then list projects below it Sep 23 02:28:02 No Sep 23 02:28:04 * KGF2009 doubts he'll charge for his apps. Sep 23 02:28:09 You have your company as the business Sep 23 02:28:11 not palm Sep 23 02:28:21 I don't put contractor anywhere? Sep 23 02:28:39 Why contractor Sep 23 02:28:44 do you do your own work Sep 23 02:28:51 I thought WebOS Devs were technically contractors for Palm Sep 23 02:29:03 no Sep 23 02:29:18 not unless your contracted through palm Sep 23 02:29:18 You're an independent business Sep 23 02:29:29 otherwise your an indepen.... yes Sep 23 02:29:42 Selling stuff from a stand at the mall doesn't make you a contractor for the mall either Sep 23 02:30:08 Do you have to be a certain age to make money from apps? Sep 23 02:30:16 no Sep 23 02:30:22 but you need a tax id Sep 23 02:30:37 From point 20 on the Developer Application Distribution Agreement: Except as otherwise provided in this Agreement, each of the parties shall at all times during the term of this Agreement act as, and shall represent itself to be, an independent contractor, and not an agent or employee of the other. Sep 23 02:30:43 technically you need to be over 18 to agree to any paperwork Sep 23 02:30:43 A what? Sep 23 02:30:48 Aw. Sep 23 02:30:48 They say contractor in there... Sep 23 02:31:01 So I guess my apps have to be free anyway. Sep 23 02:31:03 I use my social security number as my tax ID Sep 23 02:31:17 independent contractor Sep 23 02:31:22 so you dont put that Sep 23 02:31:30 and if you are the senior dev for your company Sep 23 02:31:35 you can put that on your resume Sep 23 02:31:41 So should I put down Independent contractor for Palm or Software Developer for WebOS? Sep 23 02:31:43 popScene(myVar) Sep 23 02:31:51 activate(event) Sep 23 02:31:57 event = myVar Sep 23 02:32:07 Ah. Sep 23 02:32:21 What do I do if event is [object Object]? Sep 23 02:32:35 what was myVar? Sep 23 02:32:57 Mojo.Log.info("Event is %j", event); Sep 23 02:33:43 myVar was event.item.originalItem from a list handleTap function. Sep 23 02:33:49 CTLAdvance: The company I use for distributing my apps isn't technically a registered company. Does it still matter or can I use it on the resume? Sep 23 02:34:42 twbbas: you can put anything you want on your resume Sep 23 02:35:51 Heh, alright Sep 23 02:35:55 Thanks Sep 23 02:36:00 but "webOS Developer" is what I'd put. Sep 23 02:36:18 and/or President & CEO of TCS. Sep 23 02:36:19 Alright, I'll put that Sep 23 02:36:25 lol Sep 23 02:37:56 KGF2009: that means your event is a javascript object. Use the Mojo.Log.info("Event is %j", event); to see what's in the object. Sep 23 02:39:40 haeffb its not good to put fake companies Sep 23 02:39:47 should state self employed Sep 23 02:40:07 * haeffb is sole proprieter of Tiger Country Software, LLC. Sep 23 02:40:19 I understand Sep 23 02:40:25 but he is saying he doesnt have one Sep 23 02:40:41 's alright. I was saying what I'd put... Sep 23 02:40:50 you cant be sole proprieter of an llc :) its one or the other Sep 23 02:40:57 or is llc in the name Sep 23 02:41:02 :) Sep 23 02:41:04 anyways Sep 23 02:43:26 * haeffb is sole owner/organizer Sep 23 02:43:34 :) nice Sep 23 02:44:06 meh. it's just a $50 fee & fill out about 10 fields on a web form. Sep 23 02:45:25 so, I can give myself whatever title I want. Sep 23 02:45:49 President, CEO, Senior webOS Developer, Graphic Artist, and dishwasher. Sep 23 02:46:30 (graphic artist is kind of a stretch, though...) Sep 23 02:48:11 technically, you are sole propriator in LLC if you are one person. Otherwise you have to file for partnership :) Sep 23 02:49:02 point taken Sep 23 02:49:35 * haeffb is still one person Sep 23 02:51:50 Cool. I've got the same problem as Starcraft Sep 23 02:52:02 My game renders too fast and overheats Pre's... Sep 23 02:52:12 so, two new series have been removed from DVR list already Sep 23 02:53:26 lol which ones Sep 23 02:53:37 Mike & Molly Sep 23 02:53:52 anyone familiar with GPS in here Sep 23 02:54:10 and some other that I can't even remember the name of Sep 23 02:54:51 * haeffb listened to a TED talk about the origins of GPS today Sep 23 02:58:12 oy Sep 23 02:58:30 http://www.ted.com/talks/steven_johnson_where_good_ideas_come_from.html Sep 23 02:59:34 how about gps in the device Sep 23 02:59:56 :) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Sep 23 02:59:58 2010