**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Sep 23 02:59:58 2010 Sep 23 03:00:16 oh. Sep 23 03:00:26 nope, know nothing about that. Sep 23 03:00:28 :) Sep 23 03:25:58 heyo Sep 23 03:26:45 howdy Sep 23 03:34:34 Anyone here work with the device location api? Sep 23 03:51:22 * phil_bw wanders by Sep 23 03:52:03 hey has anyone had any luck compiling PDK apps with VC++ 2010? Sep 23 04:13:17 thank goodness we have globalization Sep 23 04:13:27 I don't know what I'd do without my hummus Sep 23 04:13:29 hur hur hur Sep 23 04:39:32 Oh Stella Sep 23 05:04:38 is this aptana eclipe plugin even worth it? Sep 23 05:10:44 the question you really are meaning to ask is Sep 23 05:10:49 what time is it in Europe right now? Sep 23 05:12:35 whys that Sep 23 05:13:01 Have we lost the webOS dev base here in the US Sep 23 05:13:13 the reason Sep 23 05:13:18 is because of jsconf.eu Sep 23 05:13:25 that is why I ask Sep 23 05:13:30 but it isn't right now Sep 23 05:13:33 still, just curious Sep 23 05:13:48 and yes, I know all of Europe isn't in one time zone :D Sep 23 05:14:10 :D Sep 23 05:17:28 I've written one terrible bug into this game Sep 23 05:17:30 that I cannot find Sep 23 05:17:35 but I am publishing tonight regardless Sep 23 05:18:57 UPDATE 1.1: "Brings the ability to play the game as intended" Sep 23 05:21:06 do we have any api to detect a pinch Sep 23 05:25:42 see what I get for joking about software bugs Sep 23 05:31:08 morning Sep 23 05:34:58 good morning Sep 23 05:35:16 i'm leaving for berlin today :) Sep 23 05:36:34 jsberlin meetup, phonegap training and of course jsconf.eu Sep 23 05:37:13 oh very nice Sep 23 05:37:30 jsconf.eu is tomorrow? Sep 23 05:40:16 saturday, sunday Sep 23 05:40:20 tomorrow is phonegap training Sep 23 05:41:39 and partaying! Sep 23 05:41:48 isn't that what you guys do at these things? Sep 23 05:42:03 yeah, that too Sep 23 05:42:10 8-bit party .. whatever that means Sep 23 05:42:22 I think it means you have to stay below 256? Sep 23 05:42:45 hehe Sep 23 05:43:09 I mean, the whole idea of the internet is that we could have conferences with people from all over the world Sep 23 05:43:21 so I can only surmise that the reason everyone gets together is so you can all party Sep 23 05:47:03 do they have big beer gardens in berlin? Sep 23 05:47:22 They didnt have any in Salzburgen Sep 23 05:47:32 at least that I could find Sep 23 05:47:49 well this is odd Sep 23 05:47:54 this texture wouldn't draw Sep 23 05:47:59 unless I made a bunch of pointers to it Sep 23 05:56:05 Oh, pre on tv Sep 23 05:58:45 pre on tv? Sep 23 05:58:53 Yup Sep 23 05:58:58 The defenders Sep 23 06:25:55 Good morning Sep 23 06:26:25 morning hotdp Sep 23 06:27:56 morning Sep 23 06:28:08 you dit not use metrix righr? Sep 23 06:29:06 good morning Sep 23 06:29:10 no, i don't use metrix Sep 23 06:29:14 hi warpdesign Sep 23 06:29:26 all the europeans are in here Sep 23 06:29:29 feel like I should leave Sep 23 06:29:33 D: Sep 23 06:29:41 hehe Sep 23 06:29:42 haha Sep 23 06:30:17 don't mind us Sep 23 06:33:07 hey, when did all these europeans get into the channel! Sep 23 06:33:19 who let them in? Sep 23 06:33:25 :( Sep 23 06:33:32 Maybe it is time you go to bed ? ;) Sep 23 06:33:49 haha Sep 23 06:33:55 I only kid Sep 23 06:34:00 and by kid, I mean joke Sep 23 06:34:04 and by joke, I mean sarcasm Sep 23 06:34:09 and by sarcasm, I mean funny Sep 23 06:40:06 ping swisstomcat Sep 23 06:41:06 pong Sep 23 06:41:18 sounds like time for bed, alexfner :) Sep 23 06:41:38 yeah, just trying to finish this pdk app and submit before I go Sep 23 06:41:46 then get up in the morning and go to class Sep 23 06:42:14 and by morning, I mean 4 hours from now Sep 23 06:45:22 evning LoneStar99 Sep 23 06:51:24 morning hotdp Sep 23 07:22:08 anyone know if I can upload files to ares and build an IPKG even though i used eclipse to build my app? Sep 23 07:22:54 Last i asked Sep 23 07:23:00 Was it only "the other way" Sep 23 07:23:14 why? Sep 23 07:24:39 can't upload an IPGK, b/c I installed a "certain" SDK Sep 23 07:26:33 well the ipkg would be built from your local palm-package Sep 23 07:26:41 so I don't think uploading to ares would do anything Sep 23 07:27:17 Ares uses the local sdk to build the ipk? Sep 23 07:27:55 dunno, just supposing, cause the java applets interact with most of the other stuff Sep 23 07:28:22 oh shit... Sep 23 07:28:36 you are right, Sep 23 07:28:43 gonna try something brb Sep 23 12:32:32 is there no recording app for webos Sep 23 12:58:13 audio recording? Sep 23 12:58:40 video recordning? Sep 23 13:44:56 i found one Sep 23 13:46:18 the webos facebook app use to have over 2 million users a month now it dropped to a little less than 800K Sep 23 13:46:28 i wonder if that means people are switching Sep 23 14:00:01 Deihmos many are swtiching Sep 23 14:00:11 but i think many will switch back if there is a new device Sep 23 14:03:39 is there a way to know the current classes of a pressed list element ? Sep 23 14:03:54 atm when I press an item, there is no round corners Sep 23 14:04:27 but to override that behaviour I need to nknow what to target precisely enough to override some default css rules Sep 23 14:04:59 hello all Sep 23 14:05:12 same problem when I swipe an item out... I get a buggy layout I need to fix :( Sep 23 14:05:48 hotdp switching to what? i'm getting sick of using mobile fb in the browser cause it's got so many issues Sep 23 14:05:53 Hey LoneStar99 Sep 23 14:06:04 damn, I really hate those default css rules Sep 23 14:06:16 swithing device Sep 23 14:06:27 i don't think it has anything todo with the facebook ap Sep 23 14:06:35 if only palm-inspector was reactive enough Sep 23 14:06:37 Famic_ treat CSS like you would treat input calls Sep 23 14:06:51 put in everything, and fill in what you use Sep 23 14:06:56 and leave the rest blank Sep 23 14:07:06 it prevents CSS from breaking other bits of the site Sep 23 14:07:23 oh ok Sep 23 14:07:25 Wolvenhaven: what do you mean by that ? Sep 23 14:07:35 so like if you're doing mouse input Sep 23 14:07:40 and you only want mouse click Sep 23 14:07:48 you still put in onhover, movement, and stuff Sep 23 14:07:53 but you just leave it blank in the code Sep 23 14:08:02 do the same thing for the CSS Sep 23 14:08:29 it should work for webos too Sep 23 14:08:49 what you're saying does end up meaning anything here, right now :/ Sep 23 14:09:23 [10:04] damn, I really hate those default css rules Sep 23 14:10:10 indeed Sep 23 14:10:50 that's what I said... now, can you rephrase your answer some other way ? Sep 23 14:11:10 if you put in your CSS the fields for every element, even if you leave it blank, it should then ignore default rules Sep 23 14:11:24 that's not how css works Sep 23 14:11:30 it's a css hack Sep 23 14:11:34 i used it for years Sep 23 14:11:43 to deal with layout issues Sep 23 14:11:43 o_O Sep 23 14:11:48 iunno if it works for webos Sep 23 14:12:01 but i did it for a long time when i had a layout issue with an xml site Sep 23 14:12:23 if you want to override some settings, you have to specifically set them back to default value Sep 23 14:12:28 in css Sep 23 14:12:48 with a rule that has the same weight has the one that triggered those settings Sep 23 14:12:57 s/has/as Sep 23 14:13:09 it's a tiered rule system though Sep 23 14:13:17 import-inline-direct Sep 23 14:13:42 right now, I don't even know what class is added to my list item when I pres it, so creating a rule with more weight is kind of hard Sep 23 14:13:50 ok Sep 23 14:13:57 i guess i misunderstood the problem, sorry Sep 23 14:14:12 Anyone know how palm's timezone offset works? Sep 23 14:14:47 plus, I don't understand why the default rules end up being so buggy Sep 23 14:15:16 can't figure out what in my own css could cause such a behaviour Sep 23 14:15:50 it might be two different levels having issues Sep 23 14:15:54 for instance, when swiping an item it gets an ugly grey background and a huge top-padding that makes the text come out of its box Sep 23 14:16:09 if you've only defined x and y, and then it gets given z, it could be having an issue there Sep 23 14:16:28 I never defined the list item background or padding myself, so I expect it should be consistent with its predefined rules Sep 23 14:16:33 hmm Sep 23 14:16:53 honestly i'd have to try and create that issue to help i think Sep 23 14:16:57 cause i haven't run into it Sep 23 14:17:11 I need firebug for webos :D Sep 23 14:17:15 lol Sep 23 14:17:26 that palm-inspector is crap Sep 23 14:17:30 have a couple of beers and sit down and slog through a bunch of permutations till it fixes :P Sep 23 14:18:03 I could just say something like "html body #container .palm-list (etc){...}" Sep 23 14:18:08 :D Sep 23 14:18:29 but still, I need the class added when swiping or pressing Sep 23 14:22:45 someone should port firebug lite to webos Sep 23 14:22:52 it's all js Sep 23 14:28:17 Your all js Sep 23 14:28:54 and you're a bad speller :p Sep 23 14:32:36 KGF2009: the timezone offset should return the number of hours difference between GMT and whatever tz you are in Sep 23 14:37:42 morning all Sep 23 14:38:08 morning Sep 23 14:41:58 morning sugardave Sep 23 14:53:46 anyone knows how to address the element you drag when swiping off a list widget ? Sep 23 14:54:57 I'd guess you would use the event for that Sep 23 14:56:03 which event ? Sep 23 14:59:01 Mojo.Event.listDelete Sep 23 14:59:38 this is triggered when I click "delete"... What I'm trying to do is to style the part you move to reveal that button Sep 23 15:04:00 morning everybody Sep 23 15:06:18 hi Sep 23 15:47:30 I've just reinstalled the SDK and now the emu won't load. launching the .bat in a CLI, it says it can't find a jar file (which indeed is not there). Any idea how to fix that ? Sep 23 15:48:16 Famic: make sure your java paths are correct, but if the .jar is truly missing, then you might have to re-install....again :D Sep 23 15:48:42 I just did... twice. Including reboots after uninstall and reinstall ! Sep 23 15:49:01 looks like their current package pmisses some files Sep 23 15:49:29 :( Sep 23 15:52:25 looking into palm-emulator.bat, it seems it's looking for the wrong file. It shoulc look for webos-emulator_x64.jar (which is there) and not webos-emulato.jar Sep 23 16:03:26 Famic: all the list delete styles are in global-lists.css Sep 23 16:03:45 where is global-lists.css ? :) Sep 23 16:06:45 Does someone happen to know why APN settings cannot be saved? It gives me Unable to Write Settings error Sep 23 16:12:37 under SDK directory refcode, stylesheets Sep 23 16:16:42 haeffb_pre: which file did you say ? I lost it when being disconnected and there are many stylesheet directories in there Sep 23 16:17:16 global-lists Sep 23 16:18:14 ty Sep 23 16:18:25 I have only 8 of those Sep 23 16:18:30 hopefully they are the same one Sep 23 16:19:29 how many times did you install SDK? Sep 23 16:20:19 nvm, other ones are in locale subdirs Sep 23 16:38:33 styleMatters from the newer SDK looks like a good tool to sort out css rules Sep 23 16:39:45 Any Metrix users here? Sep 23 16:45:10 hotdp: hey you! Sep 23 16:45:34 hotdp: ok I got myself a Pre but as you I've hit the wall with not having the correct APN in the db. Sep 23 16:45:51 where has the palm-inspector gone now ? It's crappy but it's all we have ! Sep 23 16:46:01 I can't find it in my new SDK install Sep 23 16:46:21 nvm, I found it Sep 23 16:46:24 pfiuu Sep 23 16:46:30 hotdp: have I understood correctly, that I have to add the APN to the db myself now? Sep 23 16:46:45 You have read my post on pc teemu ? :D Sep 23 16:47:06 I have yes :) Sep 23 16:47:21 cool, i strugglet with it for many month ago Sep 23 16:47:29 and endeed up "hacking" the db Sep 23 16:47:39 The damn thing gives me a screen where I can type the settings but it cant save the settings I give Sep 23 16:48:13 I think I'll have to do the same thing as well Sep 23 16:48:17 What are the problem? Sep 23 16:49:39 Well it asks if I want to setup phone settings. I click hell yea and it gives me option to enter internet apn Sep 23 16:49:57 Ok so you can call? Sep 23 16:50:01 And send sms? Sep 23 16:50:04 But when I tap change settings it tries something and then "unable to write settings" Sep 23 16:50:12 Nope. Can't get past profile creation scene Sep 23 16:50:22 It asks for the PIN and then profile Sep 23 16:50:30 Can't get past that Sep 23 16:50:43 Ahh Sep 23 16:50:58 So the phone is not activated yes? Or you dont have a palm profile? Sep 23 16:52:03 It should be activated (how do I know if it isn't) and I don't have a profile. Not that I know of :) Sep 23 16:52:28 Oki you have to tell me from the start ;) Sep 23 16:52:44 The Sim you are using is not supported i guess? Sep 23 16:53:12 I guess not. If you have the db there you could take a peak if my provider is listed there. Sep 23 16:54:49 I dont have sql lite installed pt. Sep 23 16:55:07 What is your "company"? Sep 23 16:55:09 ok Sep 23 16:55:13 saunalahti Sep 23 16:55:22 That's a finnish company then :) Sep 23 16:55:28 Not international Sep 23 16:56:06 Should I modify the db and somehow upload it? That's how I've understood the fix I have to make. Sep 23 16:56:29 hehe Sep 23 16:56:32 Listen Sep 23 16:56:44 You need "data connection" to create a profile Sep 23 16:57:01 * teemu is all ears Sep 23 16:57:26 The way i got it to work was to borrow a sim that is supported Sep 23 16:57:42 Boot the device up Sep 23 16:57:46 Alter the DB Sep 23 16:57:50 and finish Sep 23 16:57:53 anyone knows why it takes longer and longer to install an app on the emulator, even though there isn't that much change in the app ? Sep 23 16:58:10 So you might need to borrow a supported sim? Sep 23 16:58:21 mom, dad, girfriend, firend someones! Sep 23 16:58:28 hotdp: I'll try.. Sep 23 16:58:44 because if it is boosted up once you can alter the db after Sep 23 16:58:59 are there any international companys in finland? Sep 23 16:59:21 Well Sonera (TeliaSonera) Sep 23 17:02:20 "I have my Pre in Sonera's network (Telia-Sonera Finland, actually) and so far have found no problems with connectivity." Sep 23 17:02:47 know someone with that? Sep 23 17:03:21 I can get one from work Sep 23 17:03:31 :) Sep 23 17:03:40 Is it a Palm Pre? Sep 23 17:03:44 Yes Sep 23 17:03:50 Umm what, actually? Sep 23 17:03:56 or plus? Sep 23 17:04:01 What I have? Sep 23 17:04:05 yer Sep 23 17:04:10 Just Pre Sep 23 17:04:16 like it so far? Sep 23 17:04:26 its c0ld outs1de Sep 23 17:04:29 :I I've not even used it! Sep 23 17:04:42 i know ;D Sep 23 17:04:47 but you have hold ir :P Sep 23 17:05:09 Feels nice Sep 23 17:05:15 hi Sep 23 17:05:22 any0n3 up f0r s0m3 sn0wb0ard1ng Sep 23 17:06:38 hotdp: how did you transfer the file between Pre and PC? Sep 23 17:08:37 Quick Install Sep 23 17:08:59 Can't you wait until tomorrow? :P Sep 23 17:09:09 rgr Sep 23 17:09:17 I have to :( Sep 23 17:16:17 Good things to al who wai ;) Sep 23 17:24:52 doing SDL->OpenGL conversion and it seems to be very slow on Pixi Sep 23 18:09:30 Do people like the HTC Desire Z keyboard? Sep 23 18:10:21 hello..i need some assistants. i am unable to go back and continue working an app i started. Im not sure if im going it wrong. I just started yesterday. I use firefox 3.6 and ubuntu. Im not even sure how to get the emulator working through ubuntu. Any help is greatly appreciated. Sep 23 18:16:33 hey Sep 23 18:16:49 anybody know if palmhotapps got updated? Sep 23 18:24:46 anyone? Sep 23 18:25:59 can someone direct me to the correct irc room? Sep 23 18:27:21 nyceane_: I don't think it was updated. My app has been sitting in the same place since Monday. Sep 23 18:37:25 whoever clearwater is, is getting bunch of laptops Sep 23 18:37:33 with a lot of crappy apps Sep 23 18:38:11 and so is Thomas Schoeps Sep 23 18:40:58 It looks like bombing the app catalog with crapps is the way to win the competition. Sep 23 18:50:58 yes Sep 23 18:51:18 clearwater? Sep 23 18:51:24 which apps are that? Sep 23 18:53:58 how goes it? Sep 23 18:54:27 well... Sep 23 18:57:28 well eh? Sep 23 18:58:08 more or less Sep 23 18:58:35 all the fart apps Sep 23 18:58:47 in fact he has 2 fart apps Sep 23 18:58:55 http://www.cyrket.com/search?market=palm&account=35822 Sep 23 18:58:58 also the one with the back in the jeans? Sep 23 18:59:23 he's getting 5 laptops lol Sep 23 19:00:18 I just want one Sep 23 19:02:36 MetaView, you dont have any apps out there thats making top 70? Sep 23 19:03:50 I have one atm Sep 23 19:04:08 I had one, which went down to 73, and another which climb up to 65 Sep 23 19:04:23 Mandel: 73 and Crimson Fields: 65 Sep 23 19:04:35 I still have hope in Mandel for a second laptop :) Sep 23 19:05:03 win 3 Sep 23 19:05:12 good luck =D Sep 23 19:05:13 (doh: forgot the /) Sep 23 19:05:20 i'd only get 1 laptop, maybe none Sep 23 19:06:13 the contest is making me nervous, probably I will not participate in a 3rd, if it is any Sep 23 19:07:16 i duno, depends on the rules Sep 23 19:07:25 i'd participate Sep 23 19:07:32 but i'll play by the rules Sep 23 19:07:37 this time is all about frequently updates, more than the last time Sep 23 19:07:56 if the rule is quality, i'll make quality, if the rule is quantity, although i dont like it i'll still try to get quantity Sep 23 19:08:38 I'm surpressed about the low amount of paid apps in this contest Sep 23 19:08:45 low number Sep 23 19:08:51 maybe 150 at all Sep 23 19:09:18 How many do you think have a webos device? total in the whole world? Sep 23 19:09:39 my opinion on the matter of shitty apps is this Sep 23 19:09:51 people who make them, are out for quick cash, and quick appeal Sep 23 19:10:00 but they don't have the staying power of higher quality apps Sep 23 19:10:05 and they don't drive people to a platform Sep 23 19:10:23 no one buys a webOS device for a fart app, or one of the 300 or so appbookshop.com apps Sep 23 19:11:00 alexfner, i can make quality apps too, but i can crank out a shitty app in matter of seconds Sep 23 19:11:20 yeah sure Sep 23 19:11:26 really? Go! Sep 23 19:11:26 but I'm talking about a long term view Sep 23 19:11:38 1@ Sep 23 19:11:42 and I am of the view that in the long term, those who work on higher quality apps will make out better Sep 23 19:11:45 maybe not... Sep 23 19:11:48 but I am of the opinion Sep 23 19:11:49 20 Sep 23 19:12:01 because I could have a fart app done in about 10 minutes Sep 23 19:12:04 and applied to the app store Sep 23 19:12:07 30 Sep 23 19:12:15 done yet? Sep 23 19:12:29 40 Sep 23 19:14:05 * haeffb_pre needs Farted! and Tipped! to round out my line of apps... Sep 23 19:14:31 http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/09/wifi-on-steroids-gets-final-rules-drops-spectrum-sensing.ars Sep 23 19:14:31 lol Sep 23 19:16:06 alexfner: i'm with you on that Sep 23 19:16:14 on which? Sep 23 19:16:22 i don't like the crap apps that seem to populate the catalog Sep 23 19:16:38 including the majority of the ones that win in the contests Sep 23 19:17:18 yeah Sep 23 19:17:22 I don't fault anyone though Sep 23 19:17:30 I mean, I kind of want money too, as a poor college student Sep 23 19:17:34 what is German for Nirvana ? Sep 23 19:17:44 but I am kinda hoping that my more targeted approach will work out better in the long run Sep 23 19:18:15 i agree, which is why i didn't manage to get my app out for the new contest Sep 23 19:18:25 (that and i still can't get it completely working) :/ Sep 23 19:18:32 I have been working on stuff for a whil Sep 23 19:18:36 just been too busy Sep 23 19:18:40 but if I wanted to publish a crap app Sep 23 19:18:45 I coulda gotten it into the contest Sep 23 19:19:09 I dont like it either, but it is cash... Sep 23 19:19:47 people who made farmville made bunch of crappy apps too Sep 23 19:19:50 until one hit Sep 23 19:20:04 & cash always wins over principle Sep 23 19:20:07 oh yeah, like I said I dont fault anyone for doing it Sep 23 19:20:10 I mean it makes sense Sep 23 19:20:11 that is why I highly prefer they have a judge panel Sep 23 19:20:15 and I'm probably dumb for not doing it Sep 23 19:20:22 and qualify the application by quality through the judges Sep 23 19:20:41 yeah but that would open them up to a lot of legal challenges Sep 23 19:20:43 i kinda wish they still had the application fee Sep 23 19:20:45 when you make it subjective Sep 23 19:20:59 the application fee should only be there for paid apps Sep 23 19:21:01 HattCzech, that would limit the apps in the app store Sep 23 19:21:05 that would be great Sep 23 19:21:17 not if they are trying to hit mileston Sep 23 19:21:18 milestone Sep 23 19:21:33 if you required it for paid apps, then it would sort of require a higher quality app for paid Sep 23 19:21:38 iPhone 20 million apps, although 99% of it is junk, its still a milestone for investors who dont know better Sep 23 19:21:47 # apps milestone is irrelevant Sep 23 19:21:58 haeffb_pre, its relevant for the investors Sep 23 19:22:08 haeffb_pre: Nirvana Sep 23 19:22:23 britney spears sold whatever amount of copies of CDs Sep 23 19:22:29 it doesn't matter to use, but the investors care Sep 23 19:22:36 I still think her music sucks Sep 23 19:22:38 which investors? Sep 23 19:22:53 HP's investors, those agnel investors Sep 23 19:23:11 how many apps in the US catalog? Sep 23 19:23:18 it's 3000 in Germany now Sep 23 19:23:23 people buy Apple vs HP because of apps? Sep 23 19:23:25 almost 5k Sep 23 19:23:33 not likely Sep 23 19:23:46 haeffb_pre, they do in matter of fact, along with all the other reasons Sep 23 19:23:52 this is stock we are talking about Sep 23 19:24:09 more apps = more people likely to buy th phone = more profit a company is likely to generate Sep 23 19:24:16 just a rule of thumb Sep 23 19:24:45 "all the other reasons" so far outweigh # apps that it's ridiculous to even consider tit a factor Sep 23 19:24:50 well that's not entirely true Sep 23 19:25:02 nyceane_ it's not such a direct equation Sep 23 19:25:19 maybe it was true for Palm. Not for HP. Sep 23 19:25:39 alexfner, but it is something people thinks Sep 23 19:26:15 It's more like A = (.4* N)+(.3*Q)+(.8*P) where a is the platform appeal based on applications, N is the number of apps, Q is the overall quality of the apps, and P is the publicity the applications receive Sep 23 19:26:36 and not for Apple Sep 23 19:27:14 and that's completely scientific, don't question it Sep 23 19:27:57 looks scientific to me Sep 23 19:32:26 * alexfner pats haeffb_pre on the head, and gives him a treat Sep 23 19:33:15 yum **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Sep 23 20:48:15 2010 Sep 23 20:48:16 You can try them out if you want: Sep 23 20:48:18 http://www.eclecticdesignstudio.com/games/hoops/com.eclecticdesignstudio.hoops_1.1.0_all.ipk Sep 23 20:48:55 i liked the mines clone Sep 23 20:49:02 http://www.eclecticdesignstudio.com/games/whack-a-mole/com.eclecticdesignstudio.whackamole_1.0.0_all.ipk Sep 23 20:49:06 semi-clone, rather Sep 23 20:49:32 Hoops is a Box2D game where you can play basketball Sep 23 20:49:47 Whack-A-Mole is a quick, well, whack-a-mole game Sep 23 20:50:37 cool Sep 23 20:52:02 keep your pants on folks Sep 23 20:52:05 Did you see Precentral's post about Flash this morning? Sep 23 20:52:48 like every other post about flash they make? Sep 23 20:52:56 hoops is kinda hard Sep 23 20:53:00 "Where is it? WE still don't know, but we're still asking" Sep 23 20:53:12 Yeah, I guess so :) Sep 23 20:53:12 quality journalism Sep 23 20:53:22 Kind of annoying, though, some of the conclusions that were made by the end Sep 23 20:53:24 "It?s slow, it?s cranky, it?s resource hogging. It's, well, it's Flash." Sep 23 20:53:32 "Do we want a slow and painful experience on our mobile devices? No. Nobody wants that. It?s not like Flash is really a great experience on our desktop computers ..." Sep 23 20:53:43 ya Sep 23 20:53:50 Working with haXe, I've actually been surprised how much the phone can do Sep 23 20:54:18 I think I need to hold back, then I throw in some more work for the processor and I've been impressed that its kept up Sep 23 20:54:38 ya it runs smooth Sep 23 20:54:48 but its waaaaay to easy to throw the ball into outer space Sep 23 20:54:49 The difference is just that having Flash would be twice as easy for me to develop with than haXe Sep 23 20:55:01 Being able to use FLAs for graphics alone would be a big time saver Sep 23 20:55:02 haxe is going to perform a lot better than flash though Sep 23 20:55:48 Yeah, you have to be sort of light on the controls Sep 23 20:56:14 When I tried making it less sensitive, you had to really push to get it to go high enough, and you had almost no control over it Sep 23 20:56:33 mm Sep 23 20:56:33 I tried to make it sensitive enough that, if you think about it, you have control over how fast you're throwing it Sep 23 20:56:47 It's tricky though. Working with physics is a lot of toying with numbers Sep 23 20:57:33 The ball is thrown using a mouse joint. Mouse joints have customizable "frequencyHz" and "damping" Sep 23 20:57:45 Now what is the "proper" damping and frequencyHz of throwing a ball? Sep 23 20:57:56 Pfft. I don't know. Time to play with numbers :) Sep 23 20:58:10 16 points in a time trial Sep 23 20:58:15 i missed like 100 shots Sep 23 20:58:54 Pretty good Sep 23 20:59:07 That's like 1 basket every 8 seconds? Sep 23 20:59:13 i guess so Sep 23 20:59:14 Doesn't sound bad for a first try Sep 23 20:59:26 that was after 5 minutes of free play Sep 23 20:59:28 I haven't actually gone through a whole time trial, I think Sep 23 20:59:33 Let me see what I get Sep 23 20:59:43 needs some tweaking, but i could see it being very fun Sep 23 21:00:40 36 Sep 23 21:00:53 Do you like how it works with tipping the phone? Sep 23 21:01:36 . Sep 23 21:01:41 sometimes I think xcode is designed to cause rage Sep 23 21:01:46 it's throwing bad access Sep 23 21:01:48 hah Sep 23 21:01:56 but I didn't change any code Sep 23 21:02:03 from a moment ago Sep 23 21:02:13 yes, the tipping indulges my urge to get that last little boost when i miss something with a bird in angry birds Sep 23 21:02:17 Is your output file read only? Sep 23 21:02:41 codeslaw: Can you tip in Angry Birds? Sep 23 21:03:28 no, thats the point Sep 23 21:03:34 Ah ... :) Sep 23 21:03:59 this is so frustrating Sep 23 21:04:05 cause I can compile and it works fine on the device Sep 23 21:04:10 and it has just stopped workin in xcode Sep 23 21:04:21 codeslaw: Did you try Whack-A-Mole? Sep 23 21:12:28 not yet, dling now Sep 23 21:14:44 mm, it works, but it doesn't feel complete Sep 23 21:15:01 no feedback when i successfully wack something, it fades like a non-wacked mole would Sep 23 21:15:50 you've gone photo-realistic though, so i doubt you want to put a bloody mole pic in there Sep 23 21:15:51 I hesitated on adding sounds. People give you three-star reviews asking for it to connect to the ringer switch :) Sep 23 21:15:55 hah Sep 23 21:16:00 ya people are dumb Sep 23 21:16:03 Just a "squeek" Sep 23 21:16:06 or "eep" Sep 23 21:16:23 doesn't have to be sound, some kind of visual indicator for when you actually hit something Sep 23 21:16:26 I figured it was hidden under your finger, so you wouldn't really see any kind of animation Sep 23 21:16:34 Maybe a dust cloud Sep 23 21:16:37 yes Sep 23 21:16:39 "poof" Sep 23 21:16:49 haha, gotcha ya little bugger! Sep 23 21:17:16 Probably have no chance of placing in the Hot Apps contest, but we'll see Sep 23 21:17:30 MineHX got great reviews, but not so many downloads. Maybe its more of a niche game? Sep 23 21:17:49 Instead, people download games they don't like and give it one or two stars :) Sep 23 21:18:21 quantity vs quality, for the most part Sep 23 21:18:39 Hoops and Whack-A-Mole are the last effort, but things got held up on the website as "Incomplete" Sep 23 21:19:06 Whack-A-Mole was a 2-hour attempt to throw something else out there that people might want to download Sep 23 21:19:47 good afternoon! Sep 23 21:19:54 Shucks howdy! Sep 23 21:20:33 * dohtem tips hat Sep 23 21:21:03 Complete noob when it comes to programming for webOS, but I have a question that I can't seem to hunt down the answer. I want to create a simple app that sends some quick 1 line linux commands. Just want to avoid punching in the same string everytime I want to do some basic tasks from the terminal. Is there anyone that would be willing to help me out or point me in the right direction? Sep 23 21:21:50 I'm having some CSS trouble. When i tap on a list item, my rounded corners appear under a semi-transparent grey rectangle. Sep 23 21:22:10 tap-and-hold, really Sep 23 21:22:56 Any ideas? Sep 23 21:24:33 wezzlewoo: Can you do a batch file? Sep 23 21:25:02 yeah I can write a batch file, or .sh equivalent Sep 23 21:25:13 dohtem: Are you using all the right DIVs? As I recall, there's a specific order of list and list-group DIVs and styles which make the rounding look correct Sep 23 21:25:31 wezzlewoo: Maybe you could write it as a batch file, and save it on your phone? Sep 23 21:25:50 I'm not sure of a way to push commands from the desktop to the terminal Sep 23 21:25:53 hmm.. I checked my divs and I thought I fixed them yesterday. Sep 23 21:26:04 I used the o'reilly book as reference. Sep 23 21:26:13 yeah, I could just run the batch, wanted to just have a quick app with a small grid of preset commands Sep 23 21:26:21 but i'll look again, thanks elyon Sep 23 21:26:44 Looks like ... Sep 23 21:27:04 palm-group, then palm-list, then palm-row single, then palm-row-wrapper, then the content Sep 23 21:27:29 or palm-row first, or palm-row last, or just palm-row ... depending Sep 23 21:27:47 so that's a total of 4 divs before you actually get to the inner content, I suppose Sep 23 21:27:55 someone knows a good pdk, step by step, tutorail? Sep 23 21:28:00 If you're using a list widget, I think you'll need the first two Sep 23 21:28:32 maruku: There should be some documentation somewhere about the Hello World sample from the PDK Sep 23 21:28:42 Otherwise I have a tutorial set up for using haXe with the PDK Sep 23 21:28:55 Might be easier, depending on what you're looking to do Sep 23 21:29:04 elyon: I have palm-row, palm-row-wrapper then my content Sep 23 21:29:13 well I just want to learn Sep 23 21:29:28 dohtem: Do you have palm-group then palm-list first? Sep 23 21:29:35 but I didnt found some good step by step tutorial Sep 23 21:29:43 palm-group? Sep 23 21:29:53 nope Sep 23 21:30:00 no palm-group or palm-list Sep 23 21:30:10 Roy-Pre101: I have remembered, just need a bit more time Sep 23 21:30:21
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Sep 23 21:30:32 Roy-Pre101: going to write an A-Z pdk tutorial Sep 23 21:30:51 it's webos101.com right? :D Sep 23 21:31:22 Here's my tutorial for haXe: Sep 23 21:31:23 http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=70&t=8499 Sep 23 21:31:41 Probably the fastest way to hit the ground running with graphics, animation, click handlers, sounds, images, etc. Sep 23 21:32:02 But otherwise, PDK development is basically a standard C application, with a few Palm-specific calls if you need them Sep 23 21:32:30 But you could really just write applications like a normal Linux application. The only exception is that Linux apps might use OpenGL, while the phone has OpenGL ES, which is a bit different Sep 23 21:32:59 For an example of what a haXe app looks like, you can see "haXe Demo" or "MineHX" in the app catalog Sep 23 21:33:07 who are you talking to? Sep 23 21:33:07 The code is basically like Flash Actionscript Sep 23 21:33:14 maruku Sep 23 21:33:27 oh Sep 23 21:33:28 I'm too lazy to type people's names in front of every sentence :) Sep 23 21:33:46 maruku, for a step by step I hope to post one over the weekend on webOS101.co Sep 23 21:33:48 .com* Sep 23 21:34:11 that sounds so good Sep 23 21:36:18 elyon: my problem is that I'm facing problems trying to set up a project on xCode and then compiling a couple of objects from the terminal Sep 23 21:37:00 I can compile with xCode itself but I dont know how with the shell script file that came with the PDK Sep 23 21:47:22 maruku: rob merell's rake file does the work for you http://github.com/robmerrell/pdk_chipmunk_test/blob/master/Rakefile Sep 23 21:48:07 I saw it the other day Sep 23 21:48:25 but it is now a normal makefile, isnt it? Sep 23 21:48:31 elyon: heh, looks like global-lists.css answers my questions Sep 23 21:48:40 I could not execute it, so I gave up Sep 23 21:49:28 in terminal Sep 23 21:49:43 rake build TARGET=pre Sep 23 21:51:37 rails ftw Sep 23 21:51:48 anyone know the person who made DigiScanner ? Sep 23 21:53:06 maruku: To use my Rakefile you need to have rake installed. Sep 23 21:53:33 Yup. And for that you should use ruby gems Sep 23 21:53:54 aha Sep 23 21:53:58 ok Sep 23 21:54:01 hehe Sep 23 21:54:14 rake and ruby gems Sep 23 21:54:30 thanks dudes Sep 23 21:54:36 maruku: That Rakefile isn't set up to do conditional compilation though. Sep 23 21:54:37 Use ruby gems to install rake Sep 23 21:55:10 what do you mean by conditional compilation? Sep 23 21:55:54 I've been almost 12 years without do any C/C++ work Sep 23 21:56:11 and I'm dustting my knowledge off Sep 23 21:56:21 Where it only recompiles if the file or its dependencies changed. Sep 23 21:56:55 so it will recompile all every time Sep 23 21:56:58 Yeah Sep 23 21:57:01 that wont be a problem Sep 23 21:57:15 I'm thinking of adding a passthrough thing to my node build script Sep 23 21:57:24 at least now that I'm trying to learn and put all the things together Sep 23 21:57:38 thanks a lot Sep 23 21:57:42 One that just adds a file and doesn't try to build it Sep 23 21:59:04 maruku: I'm starting a PDK tutorial series. I plan on having the first one up by the end of the weekend. It's at http://www.robdor.com. It may help dust off your knowledge. :) Sep 23 21:59:56 I've seen your web a couple of hours before!!! Sep 23 21:59:57 hahaha Sep 23 22:00:21 This is the code for the first tutorial: http://github.com/robmerrell/bubble_rush Sep 23 22:00:28 but the tutorials were empty Sep 23 22:01:06 Yeah, I'm writing the first one right now. I'm a pretty crappy writer so it takes a while. :) Sep 23 22:01:14 hahaha Sep 23 22:01:30 I see that you work with xcode too Sep 23 22:01:39 that sounds good to me ;) Sep 23 22:02:09 I'm to lazy to install Xcode Sep 23 22:02:20 Although i did put vs2010 on my laptop Sep 23 22:02:26 It's faaaast with a ssd Sep 23 22:03:20 halfhalo: You aren't missing out on much. :) Sep 23 22:03:25 Lol Sep 23 22:03:34 I need it for macport tho Sep 23 22:04:36 * Tibfib wants hp slate and webOS tablet Sep 23 22:05:29 there are some features of xcode that are really nice Sep 23 22:05:41 excellent debugging Sep 23 22:05:43 The lack of tabs kills me. Sep 23 22:06:29 What's an example of a city in a :15, :30, or :45 minute timezone? Sep 23 22:07:00 alexfner: Are you using Xcode for your game? Sep 23 22:07:18 yes Sep 23 22:07:49 thoughts? Sep 23 22:08:06 Did you try setting up a target for using Palm's arm tools when compiling for a device? Sep 23 22:08:11 I couldn't figure out how to do it. Sep 23 22:08:28 KGF2009: ask rwhitby Sep 23 22:09:08 hah no Sep 23 22:09:11 I just use the rake file Sep 23 22:09:24 xcode is a pain in that sense Sep 23 22:10:21 it took me a while to figure out how to link libraries on compile, because it isn't very straightforward Sep 23 22:10:28 * KGF2009 pokes rwhitby. Sep 23 22:10:37 * alexfner chokes rwhitby! Sep 23 22:10:57 so many things rhyme with poke that are inappropriate to do to another person Sep 23 22:12:37 alexfner: I'm not much of an Xcode fan, but I've been finding Instruments to be incredibly helpful. Sep 23 22:12:42 KGF2009: India has some :15, Adelaide is :30, Chatham Islands is :45 Sep 23 22:13:02 instruments? Sep 23 22:13:17 Mmkay. Good. So my app -will- support those types of zones. Sep 23 22:13:29 Kathmandu is another good one Sep 23 22:13:38 alexfner: It's like valigrind, but better. It helps track down memory leaks and the like. Sep 23 22:13:44 oh Sep 23 22:13:45 Now I just need to figure out how to do time math. Sep 23 22:13:47 that would be helpful Sep 23 22:13:54 cause I definitely have memory leaks Sep 23 22:14:03 KGF2009: just look for the odd ones on http://timeanddate.com/worldclock/ Sep 23 22:14:57 family, Im gonna sleep Sep 23 22:15:04 catch u tomorrow Sep 23 22:15:07 cya Sep 23 22:15:14 later maruku Sep 23 22:15:15 KGF2009: http://timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=63 is the weirdest timezone on the planet. If you can make that one work both sides of when it changes daylight savings, you have a robust app. Sep 23 22:15:16 and thanks for your help Sep 23 22:16:03 lol, that's ridiculous Sep 23 22:16:07 :45 timezone. Sep 23 22:16:45 Regardless, I want to make my app support them. Sep 23 22:17:01 Yeah, you definitely should. just saying it's odd. Sep 23 22:17:10 rwhitby: How can I get UTC time? Sep 23 22:17:26 d = new Date(); d.toUTCString() Sep 23 22:17:36 Oh, wow. Simple. Sep 23 22:17:50 http://w3schools.com/jsref/jsref_obj_date.asp Sep 23 22:20:06 oh nice Sep 23 22:20:12 Robdor: instruments is very nice Sep 23 22:21:44 Javascript's connecting string symbol is + right? Sep 23 22:21:46 Tibfib ever get ape up? Sep 23 22:21:49 Yes Sep 23 22:22:01 halfhalo: nope, been busy :/ Sep 23 22:22:16 should be doing homework right now... Sep 23 22:22:21 * Tibfib whistles Sep 23 22:22:22 Lol Sep 23 22:22:22 alexfner: It helped me track down a memory leak with my particle engine. I was leaking memory with every particle that I was drawing. :) Sep 23 22:22:34 hah Sep 23 22:22:39 there are a few tiny leaks Sep 23 22:22:39 I have a class in... 8 minutes Sep 23 22:22:45 but this app only uses like 6 megs of ram Sep 23 22:22:55 and once you open it you'll realize you don't want to play and close it Sep 23 22:22:57 so I figure it doesn't matter Sep 23 22:23:06 halfhalo: nice Sep 23 22:23:24 an 8 minute long class, eh? :D Sep 23 22:23:26 alexfner: What kind of game is it? Sep 23 22:23:39 sort of like shuffle board Sep 23 22:23:47 but you get points every time a ball collides Sep 23 22:23:56 and the levels are just different arrangments of balls Sep 23 22:24:02 at some point it will have some real diversity Sep 23 22:24:13 but right now there are just two different types of balls Sep 23 22:24:26 When are you going to submit it? Sep 23 22:24:32 tonight Sep 23 22:24:36 once I am done making levels Sep 23 22:24:39 I have 10 levels done Sep 23 22:24:42 11* Sep 23 22:24:44 9 to go Sep 23 22:25:03 Making levels is my least favorite part of making a game. Sep 23 22:25:28 yeah Sep 23 22:25:32 very manual Sep 23 22:27:05 I need to finish Plasma Cannon's level builder so that I can let people who enjoy that kind of stuff build the levels for me. :) Sep 23 22:27:18 games with auto-generated levels are the best. Sep 23 22:27:34 for developers :) Sep 23 22:27:42 Lol Sep 23 22:28:12 Tibfib: +1 Sep 23 22:28:12 microsoft is here at campus Sep 23 22:28:17 recruiting the hell out of campus Sep 23 22:28:25 don't see hp/palm anywhere Sep 23 22:28:36 Punch one of them in face and shout "This is for Vista!" Sep 23 22:28:40 hah Sep 23 22:29:35 Do it. And record it. Sep 23 22:29:41 Perfect YouTube material. Sep 23 22:29:41 :D Sep 23 22:30:41 I see google Sep 23 22:30:47 ge, microsoft Sep 23 22:30:49 no hp Sep 23 22:30:53 guess we're not goot enough :D Sep 23 22:31:09 can someone help me with a cookie problem? Sep 23 22:31:20 possibly Sep 23 22:31:46 oilsworkn: the problem is that the cookie is not being saved, at least on the emulator Sep 23 22:32:15 oilsworkn: it works fine and all, but when you close the app on the emulator (I don't have a phone to test on) the cookie seems to be deleted Sep 23 22:32:30 you call .put()? Sep 23 22:32:36 oilsworkn: yes Sep 23 22:33:06 mbarvian: have multiple cookies with similar names? Sep 23 22:33:10 pastebin a snippit? Sep 23 22:33:49 oilsworkn: absolutely Sep 23 22:34:17 here's where I initialize it, in the stage assistant: http://pastie.org/1177978 Sep 23 22:34:18 hmm, HP filed a trademark for PalmPad Sep 23 22:34:54 maik, like, months ago Sep 23 22:34:57 shutup Sep 23 22:35:02 i mean, oh. Sep 23 22:35:07 hah Sep 23 22:35:10 sorry, common typo, really. Sep 23 22:35:14 oilsworkn: and here's where i store the cookie, in the preferences deactivate: http://pastie.org/1177981 Sep 23 22:35:15 :) Sep 23 22:35:41 oldPreferences.WeightTrackerVersionString doesn't exist Sep 23 22:35:51 nvm Sep 23 22:35:53 lol Sep 23 22:35:57 holy long variable name batman! Sep 23 22:35:57 Tibfib: lol Sep 23 22:36:02 dohtem: sorry Sep 23 22:36:06 :) Sep 23 22:36:48 I assume this.stageAssistant is defined? Sep 23 22:37:01 Tibfib: yes Sep 23 22:37:14 try logging? any errors? Sep 23 22:37:27 whats with the two deactivate functions? Sep 23 22:37:41 good question Sep 23 22:38:19 where? Sep 23 22:38:29 in the deactivate function, there is a deactivate inside it Sep 23 22:38:33 second pastebin Sep 23 22:38:41 oh Sep 23 22:38:44 i always forget.. how do I perform a button/LED press in the emulator again? Sep 23 22:38:47 wow that was a leftover Sep 23 22:38:58 dohtem: center button? Sep 23 22:38:59 home Sep 23 22:39:04 (on windows) Sep 23 22:39:07 * oilsworkn bets that was probably messing something up :) Sep 23 22:39:09 thanks Sep 23 22:39:22 that's it Sep 23 22:39:28 oilsworkn: wasn't it Sep 23 22:39:42 mbarvian: did you log it? Sep 23 22:39:57 btw, I define all the variables in stage assistant before i initialize the cookie Sep 23 22:39:59 like: WeightTracker.units = "lbs"; Sep 23 22:40:01 http://ares.palm.com/AresLog/ Sep 23 22:40:21 I think there might be something wrong with your versionString logic. Sep 23 22:40:22 Tibfib: no I'll log it and see. I don't use ares Sep 23 22:40:29 and i assume this.stageAssistant.cookie exists? Sep 23 22:40:34 that's a stand alone logger. Sep 23 22:40:38 don't need ares. Sep 23 22:41:19 oilsworkn: me too. how would I check? Sep 23 22:41:42 well, if it doesn't, you would be getting an error logged Sep 23 22:41:56 if(this.stageAssistant.cookie.get()){//it exists!} Sep 23 22:41:58 ssh into emulator, tail -f /var/log/messages Sep 23 22:42:00 error Sep 23 22:42:07 quit app Sep 23 22:42:12 Error: Cannot read property 'cookie' of object, line undefined, file undefined, Sep 23 22:42:22 in the deactivate method Sep 23 22:42:22 lol Sep 23 22:42:25 then it's not defined. Sep 23 22:42:28 lol Sep 23 22:42:32 well, this.stageAssistant.cookie must not exist Sep 23 22:42:51 right, isn't it just this.cookie? Sep 23 22:42:59 Mojo.Controller.getAppController.getActiveStageController().cookie might work Sep 23 22:43:02 like i defined it in stageassistant Sep 23 22:43:12 both pasties are from the same scene? Sep 23 22:43:24 no Sep 23 22:43:27 oilsworkn: no, first one is from stage-assistant, second one is from preferences-assistant Sep 23 22:43:34 mbarvian: no, that "this" is the stage assistant controller. The "this" in teh prefs scene is different Sep 23 22:43:45 it's the scene controller Sep 23 22:43:58 Tibfib: ah. so how? use that long function? Sep 23 22:43:58 * oilsworkn never does this stuff in the scene/stage assistants, so im unsure of hte right way to get to the stage assistant from your scene Sep 23 22:44:12 It might work. Sep 23 22:44:14 oilsworkn: how would you do it? Sep 23 22:44:15 I'm checking syntax Sep 23 22:44:23 Tibfib: thanks Sep 23 22:44:29 if its in the stage assistant the cookie is global Sep 23 22:44:31 maybe Sep 23 22:44:33 * oilsworkn does it in a model, separate from any scene or stage Sep 23 22:44:45 its not the cookie being global Sep 23 22:44:46 * alexfner doesn't want to know how oil "does it" Sep 23 22:44:49 its the variable of cookie Sep 23 22:44:51 oilsworkn: do you have a pastie? Sep 23 22:44:53 yeah, that might work Sep 23 22:45:00 Tibfib: that long function? Sep 23 22:45:04 mbarvian: yeah Sep 23 22:45:09 i'm looking at doing my first DB webOS app. Is it possible to use an existing SQLite database? Sep 23 22:45:16 mbarvian: i can link you to the preferences cookie for preware :) Sep 23 22:45:24 mbarvian: you'd be better off making a global var named cookie Sep 23 22:45:32 oilsworkn: that'd word thanks :) Sep 23 22:45:33 well, maybe not better off, just is easier Sep 23 22:45:37 http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/preware.git;a=blob;f=app/models/cookies.js;h=26b25ba3efa6caed2626c1e0125a4d3366c390a7;hb=HEAD Sep 23 22:45:45 i inculde that file in my sources.json Sep 23 22:45:50 * Tibfib does that in his apps Sep 23 22:46:02 and make it a global in the app assistant Sep 23 22:46:05 outside any function, i do Sep 23 22:46:06 var prefs = new preferenceCookie(); Sep 23 22:46:19 then the prefs model can be accessed from anywhere Sep 23 22:46:22 Tibfib: didn't work :( Sep 23 22:46:27 error? Sep 23 22:47:11 Mojo.Controller.stageController.cookie might work Sep 23 22:47:14 * oilsworkn shakes fist at scope issues Sep 23 22:47:19 just do what oil said Sep 23 22:47:28 Object function (){ if(window.opener&&window.opener.Mojo&&window.opener.Mojo.Controller&&window.opener.Mojo.Controller.appController){ return window.opener.Mojo.Controller.appController; } Mojo.requireDefined(Mojo.Controller.appController); return Mojo.Controller.appController; } has no method 'getActiveStageController', line object, file undefined, palmInitFramework347:2527 Sep 23 22:47:49 * oilsworkn uses the same preference/version cookie model in every one of his apps Sep 23 22:47:55 Mojo.Controller.getAppController().getActiveStageController().cookie oh it'd be that Sep 23 22:48:01 lol Sep 23 22:48:42 Tibfib: now it's Cannot call method 'put' of object, line undefined, file undefined, palmInitFramework347:2527 Sep 23 22:49:06 k, give up and do what oil says :) Sep 23 22:49:16 that means cookie is defined, but not as a Mojo.Model.Cookie object Sep 23 22:49:19 Tibfib: alright lol I'll try Sep 23 22:49:36 brb Sep 23 22:50:08 wait Sep 23 22:50:13 you could do this. http://pastie.org/1178010 Sep 23 22:50:22 if you don't want it global Sep 23 22:50:28 yeah Sep 23 22:50:32 lol Sep 23 22:50:48 well Sep 23 22:51:07 often you use preferences all over the app, so global is a good idea Sep 23 22:51:09 except for that second nested deactivate function :) Sep 23 22:51:22 bah, :P Sep 23 22:51:30 it almost looks like global is what he tried to do with that nested function Sep 23 22:51:30 HTML 5 database is an sqlite database, right? Sep 23 22:51:35 WeightTracker.Cookie.storeCookie(); Sep 23 22:51:38 maik, yes Sep 23 22:51:54 so if i wanted to copy over an sqlite database to my phone and use it in an app it would work fine? Sep 23 22:52:05 eh Sep 23 22:52:21 * Tibfib bets it would be more trouble than it's work Sep 23 22:52:24 worth. Sep 23 22:52:29 i could be totally wrong, but i dont think so Sep 23 22:52:50 what would be the best way to transition an existing SQL database to the phone then? Sep 23 22:53:01 SQLite* Sep 23 22:53:13 oilsworkn: the book has a nice section for global cookies Sep 23 22:53:16 * oilsworkn has tried hard to stay away from sqlite :) Sep 23 22:53:22 oilsworkn: i'm gonna try that Sep 23 22:53:34 oilsworkn: any reason in particular? :) Sep 23 22:54:10 updates are a PITA Sep 23 22:54:18 lets say you want to add a field Sep 23 22:54:28 you have to version check and alter the table Sep 23 22:54:37 its a nightmare Sep 23 22:55:14 maik: for loop. Sep 23 22:55:26 >:/ Sep 23 22:55:50 lol Sep 23 22:55:54 it will be strictly read only for the client Sep 23 22:56:10 back Sep 23 22:56:20 codeslaw: I missed you Sep 23 22:56:22 updates will come with a new database version (maybe on the fly) which should be a persistent format Sep 23 22:56:27 there there Sep 23 22:56:27 but it has to be placed deep into the dark and zombie filled hidden recesses of the phone Sep 23 22:56:38 ext:foo Sep 23 22:56:46 puts it in /media/internal Sep 23 22:56:53 codeslaw: did you update songwave for saving and scale? Sep 23 22:57:00 * Tibfib wants Sep 23 22:57:00 can apps put stuff in /media/internal on install? Sep 23 22:57:01 not yet =( Sep 23 22:57:03 Tibfib: and voice sampling Sep 23 22:57:06 or would you need a "first run" to move it Sep 23 22:57:10 nice Sep 23 22:57:15 oilsworkn: good question, probably the latter Sep 23 22:57:18 codeslaw: don't you want my $5? Sep 23 22:57:24 if you even can Sep 23 22:57:28 wait, let's say I have a pdk app built on top of a certain sdk that is unreleased Sep 23 22:57:29 prepay! Sep 23 22:57:34 because the db isn't just a file, its referenced in other databases on the phone Sep 23 22:57:39 so it knows that that db goes with your app Sep 23 22:57:39 is this a problem? Sep 23 22:57:40 oilsworkn: only with the download manager (currently) Sep 23 22:57:58 alexfner: yes, probably Sep 23 22:58:13 i dont think you can just copy/paste the db and begin using it Sep 23 22:58:21 you need to tell the html5 stuff that this db belongs to you Sep 23 22:58:32 I'm pretty sure there is no way to create a db with prefilled info Sep 23 22:59:14 maik: voice sampling would be sweeet Sep 23 22:59:25 ya, digitalpowers gets credit for that suggestion Sep 23 22:59:35 and i do believe codeslaw said he would implement it once we get mic access Sep 23 22:59:42 or he would try is darndest Sep 23 22:59:45 isn't that right, codeslaw? Sep 23 23:00:06 lol Sep 23 23:00:09 I'm excited about when we'll be able to play with more APIs Sep 23 23:00:20 I think that the camera will be fun Sep 23 23:00:32 hmm? Sep 23 23:00:40 say yes Sep 23 23:00:48 ugh.. now that i bought a house and a puppy i have no time for coding.. and no initiative to make time :( Sep 23 23:00:48 They're talking about mic access Sep 23 23:00:58 look ... a puppy? Sep 23 23:01:07 sampling various sounds for use in songwave via the mic :D Sep 23 23:01:17 hah Sep 23 23:01:18 fuck Sep 23 23:01:43 I swear I saw an app once that claimed to record voice. Sep 23 23:01:48 codeslaw: quit IRC as a sign of agreement Sep 23 23:01:57 KGF2009: yeah homebrew Sep 23 23:02:02 hah Sep 23 23:02:09 i dont know what the eff is wrong with my connection Sep 23 23:02:10 KGF2009: zcorder homebrew hacked its way in Sep 23 23:02:13 yeah homebrew will replace "YEEAAA HOMEBOI!" Sep 23 23:02:17 not official at all Sep 23 23:02:28 hah, i win Sep 23 23:02:29 lol Sep 23 23:02:30 poof Sep 23 23:02:31 No, I think it was in the App Catalog. Sep 23 23:02:45 i think not Sep 23 23:03:00 well, the only other way would be what, the app calls with phone Sep 23 23:03:03 server records call Sep 23 23:03:09 returns recording Sep 23 23:03:15 not just that Sep 23 23:03:18 lol Sep 23 23:03:27 I think there's laws against recording phone calls. Sep 23 23:03:29 you can record video and block the lens, then its just audio Sep 23 23:03:36 Tibfib: not everywhere Sep 23 23:03:38 although if it's just you, maybe it's not difficult Sep 23 23:03:43 Tibfib: one party must be aware its being recorded Sep 23 23:03:48 doesnt matter which party Sep 23 23:03:56 kinda stupid ;p Sep 23 23:03:57 Oh, I thought ALL parties had to know? Sep 23 23:04:11 all parties do have to know Sep 23 23:04:16 it was brought up before Sep 23 23:04:22 * Tibfib remembers forum post Sep 23 23:04:31 * Tibfib searches for forum post Sep 23 23:04:47 Federal law allows recording of phone calls and other electronic communications with the consent of at least one party to the call. Sep 23 23:05:11 A majority of the states and territories have adopted wiretapping statutes based on the federal law, although most also have extended the law to cover in-person conversations. Thirty-eight states and the District of Columbia permit individuals to record conversations to which they are a party without informing the other parties that they are doing so Sep 23 23:05:36 These laws are referred to as “one-party consent” statutes, and as long as you are a party to the conversation, it is legal for you to record it. Sep 23 23:05:38 sorry i'll be back later when this connection is stable Sep 23 23:05:53 yeah but if you're going distribute a phone across the world... Sep 23 23:07:12 does the forum search search the private forum(s)? Sep 23 23:07:31 * Tibfib can't find the post Sep 23 23:07:48 no idea Sep 23 23:08:08 I've never had luck with trying to search the forums Sep 23 23:08:35 Actually, the forums search on the left hand side seems to work Sep 23 23:08:39 the forum search itself is decent. Sep 23 23:08:39 But the search up top definitely does not Sep 23 23:08:43 the website search sucks. Sep 23 23:11:51 heh Sep 23 23:23:41 Can I use SVG pictures/icons for my WebOS applications? Sep 23 23:29:17 don't think so Sep 23 23:31:27 You can use SVG inside of an application. I've used it in PDK apps before Sep 23 23:31:40 But for the catalog you'll want to go with PNG for the icon, and PNG or JPG for screenshots Sep 23 23:32:45 I'm wondering if I can use SVG icons for a list inside an SDK application Sep 23 23:32:53 instead of png's Sep 23 23:33:10 elyon: oh, well I don't think you can use it in mojo Sep 23 23:34:57 I can just convert them:P Sep 23 23:37:53 why are u guys letting mbarvian use zammetti's cookie scheme? Sep 23 23:38:05 that's just mean. Sep 23 23:40:38 So if you guys won, say, $1000 or a laptop in the contest, which would you pick? Sep 23 23:41:40 depends on the laptop Sep 23 23:42:21 $1000 Sep 23 23:42:22 If you win at that level in the contest, you can choose between $1000 HP store credit, or an HP Envy 17, which is worth $1400 Sep 23 23:42:29 I don't need a $1000 laptop Sep 23 23:42:32 ... but it isn't cash. It's store credit Sep 23 23:42:45 well, then that's different Sep 23 23:43:10 * haeffb assumes the store credit will be good for Palm tablet and new phone... Sep 23 23:43:20 Ah, hadn't thought of that one ;) Sep 23 23:43:41 I took a look at the Envy, but the touchpad drove me crazy Sep 23 23:43:45 Maybe there's a way to fix it Sep 23 23:43:59 hp envy Sep 23 23:44:02 people, I need x and y values Sep 23 23:44:05 If you rest your thumb on it for left click, it doesn't drag right Sep 23 23:44:06 even if you dont want it, sell it Sep 23 23:44:09 x values between 20 and 300 inclusive Sep 23 23:44:17 on ebay, and then you'll have 1200$ at least probably Sep 23 23:44:21 y values between 100 and 460 inclusive Sep 23 23:44:22 GO GO GO! Sep 23 23:44:31 ... so long as the Nigerians don't fake bid your listing Sep 23 23:44:41 "Could you please send it to my cousin, who lives in Africa?" Sep 23 23:44:43 ive never had nigerians fake bid my listing. Sep 23 23:44:48 i get emails Sep 23 23:44:51 but you just ignore those. Sep 23 23:44:53 That happened to me the last three times I tried to sell computer stuff on eBay Sep 23 23:44:58 Maybe they fixed something Sep 23 23:45:04 Or maybe its because I had "Buy It Now" Sep 23 23:45:07 i ebay an item or two a month Sep 23 23:45:10 44, 55 Sep 23 23:45:11 They would buy it now and kill my listing Sep 23 23:45:25 204 310 Sep 23 23:45:37 oops Sep 23 23:45:41 * haeffb can't follow directions Sep 23 23:45:48 20, 100 Sep 23 23:45:51 68 200 Sep 23 23:45:59 160 440 Sep 23 23:46:12 300, 460 Sep 23 23:46:17 300, 459 Sep 23 23:46:22 300, 458 Sep 23 23:46:39 * haeffb wonders why alexfner can't just make up his own numbers Sep 23 23:46:59 you guys are better at it Sep 23 23:47:03 lol Sep 23 23:47:13 Math.round (Math.random () * 280)) + 20 Sep 23 23:47:23 can we use imaginary numbers? Sep 23 23:47:26 Math.round (Math.random () * 360) + 100 Sep 23 23:47:46 imaginary numbers. Yeah Sep 23 23:47:49 30 * i Sep 23 23:47:55 129i, 237 Sep 23 23:48:20 Or can we give you complex formulas to solve to receive our answers? Sep 23 23:48:22 43.774, 230.12083 Sep 23 23:48:28 first, it's in c/c++ Sep 23 23:48:36 secondly, it needs to not be randomly generated Sep 23 23:48:46 how is us giving them not random? Sep 23 23:48:54 You mean, like a seed number? Sep 23 23:50:07 alexfner, do you have apps in the catalog? Sep 23 23:50:07 no, I just needed numbers for one more level Sep 23 23:50:10 and you provided them Sep 23 23:50:14 yeah, critical mass Sep 23 23:50:19 and coming in a few days when approved Sep 23 23:50:22 Fling Sep 23 23:50:30 brb, gonna move to a non-closing location Sep 24 00:20:56 ugh Sep 24 00:21:04 the ipk you uploaded contains content that is not yet allowed Sep 24 00:21:17 any way to have two sdks on one system at a time? Sep 24 00:22:01 alexfner: nope Sep 24 00:22:18 check out zhephree's (spelling?) blog Sep 24 00:22:31 he has stuff for mac, and an alt solution for windows Sep 24 00:22:33 link? Sep 24 00:23:28 it's frustrating cause I can use this on a 1.4.5 device Sep 24 00:24:01 gooooogled it http://blog.zhephree.com/post/1084012522/how-to-package-webos-apps-as-1-4-5-apps-with-2-0-sdk Sep 24 00:24:04 you can have multiple emulator versions Sep 24 00:24:15 yeah, just not the tools to package Sep 24 00:26:09 I forgot to strip the binary Sep 24 00:26:12 gonna see if that fixes it Sep 24 00:26:42 gah. I hate bugs that don't act like bugs. no errors or nothing Sep 24 00:27:54 those are the best bugs, the bed bugs, if you will Sep 24 00:28:24 they're not bugs, they're features Sep 24 00:28:35 it's starting to look like it. Sep 24 00:29:15 * Tibfib is stumped Sep 24 00:29:38 ajax requesting a contact's info. stuff gets downloaded right. just can't update the html to it. Sep 24 00:29:41 lol? Sep 24 00:29:51 no kidding. Sep 24 00:30:02 it's odd. Sep 24 00:30:26 debugged it out, nothing fails. Sep 24 00:32:41 lol. hide the div earlier. forgot to show it. Sep 24 00:32:47 maybe it's time to stop for the night Sep 24 00:37:36 anyone want to try out this little game I've got here? Sep 24 00:38:31 How can I know the IP Address of the Emulator to ssh to it to start the debugger? Sep 24 00:38:48 127.0.0.1 Sep 24 00:40:49 What should be the port? 22? Sep 24 00:43:33 probably Sep 24 00:44:16 it works with localhost but not 127.0.0.1, totally strange Sep 24 00:48:55 anyone ever get a java null pointer exception using palm-package ? Sep 24 00:49:25 Spanska: localhost 5522 Sep 24 00:49:39 thanks rwhitby Sep 24 00:49:51 (it's a port forward across the virtualbox nat interface) Sep 24 00:50:06 What does this mean exactly? Warning: indicated new content, but not active., palmInitFramework347:2527 Sep 24 00:51:23 ignore it Sep 24 00:51:31 worthless error Sep 24 00:51:53 well. that's incorrect. Sep 24 00:52:07 worthless to us developers. palm might care about it. Sep 24 00:53:56 thanks Tibfib Sep 24 01:06:34 how do you center a command menu group? Sep 24 01:09:32 surround it by blank items Sep 24 01:09:42 folks Sep 24 01:09:43 with* Sep 24 01:09:52 getting a java.lang exception on palm-package with 1.4.5 sdk Sep 24 01:09:54 any thoughts? Sep 24 01:11:47 thanks Tibfib! Sep 24 01:11:58 aeidataworks: np Sep 24 01:13:05 if anyone knows some sort of magic, send me a message Sep 24 01:13:08 alexhaefner@gmail.com Sep 24 01:13:11 gotta go catch the bus! Sep 24 01:13:45 * Tibfib unleashes the spam bots on alexfner's email Sep 24 01:37:11 haylo evryone **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Sep 24 02:04:35 2010