**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Sep 28 02:59:57 2010 Sep 28 03:08:06 hey everybody, it's Roy-Pre101! Sep 28 03:08:19 plus one! Sep 28 03:08:38 hah. Sep 28 03:08:39 awe he's shy! Sep 28 03:10:21 ah, 1011 is code for 102, the p102. he knows when it's going to be released! Sep 28 03:13:16 You figured me out! Sep 28 03:13:26 That's better. Sep 28 03:20:16 i wonder what kind of phone palm will release next Sep 28 03:23:47 you know, odd question I'm sure: But how in the hell do you copy paste within Ares? D: Sep 28 03:25:09 hello kesne Sep 28 03:25:09 hello kesne! Sep 28 03:25:17 how is high school? Sep 28 03:26:00 Deihmos: a smart-brick phone! Sep 28 03:47:16 !hello Sep 28 03:47:16 hello! Sep 28 03:50:45 lol? Sep 28 03:55:25 hola Sep 28 03:57:42 * halfhalo adds internal tables to his sqlite orm for his irc node app Sep 28 04:18:14 whoo... the Event is on Sep 28 04:23:02 the latest version of messaging plugins says it works with "sms tone per contact" but i still get conflicts :/ Sep 28 04:33:33 oh, it helps to read :p order matters Sep 28 04:35:51 Hi everybody Sep 28 04:37:54 In a mojo app is there a way to hide the notification area and the top status bar? Sep 28 04:38:29 i don't think so Sep 28 04:38:41 fullscreen to block the top status bar Sep 28 04:38:50 notifications, nada Sep 28 04:39:23 alexfner: Where do I set the fullscreen mode? I'm kind of mojo retarded... Sep 28 04:41:58 Just for kicks I'm converting Plasma Cannon to a hybrid app to see how performance is. So far I'm really not liking what I'm seeing. Sep 28 04:42:06 this.controller.enableFullScreenMode( true ); Sep 28 04:42:11 where this refers to scene assistant Sep 28 04:42:46 you can also set this.controller.enableFullScreenMode(true); in the stage assistant and it should carry through to all apps Sep 28 04:43:06 Robdor: I think I am going to convert critical mass to a mojo-less app Sep 28 04:43:15 speed it up, load times and such Sep 28 04:43:20 might reduce GC triggers Sep 28 04:44:05 Well, so far I wouldn't recommend the hybrid route. Plasma Cannon drops from 60 fps to 12 fps in hybrid mode. Sep 28 04:44:17 ah Sep 28 04:44:22 not surprising Sep 28 04:46:34 alexfner: thanks for that info about fullscreen! Sep 28 04:46:42 didn't know that...very useful Sep 28 04:46:58 sure sure sure, no problem Sep 28 04:47:27 stage assistant is invoked when the application launches, so any changes to Mojo.etc should hold through scenes unless you change it in one of those scenese Sep 28 04:54:03 I was hoping that making the hybrid app fullscreen would help. It didn't at all. Thanks for the info alexfner. Sep 28 04:54:13 werd Sep 28 04:54:21 well you've put mojo on top, and that's just going to slow things down Sep 28 04:56:08 Robdor: Is there going to be an option to allow embedding mojo in a PDK app? I'm seeing bad performance in a hybrid app test. Sep 28 04:56:15 are you asking if there is a way to not include mojo? Sep 28 04:56:26 because there is Sep 28 04:56:29 and it's rather simple Sep 28 04:56:50 Maybe I didn't phrase that right. I'm new to the whole mojo thing. :) Sep 28 04:57:05 yeah, so what's the question Sep 28 04:57:08 I just wanted to be able to have dialogs and text fields only in certain parts of my agame. Sep 28 04:57:09 we can work it out here :D Sep 28 04:57:40 go on... Sep 28 04:57:53 So instead of decimating performance of the whole game by making it hybrid I want to have something like only the global leader board use mojo controls. Sep 28 04:57:55 like html ? Sep 28 04:58:19 let's take a step back, if you will Sep 28 04:58:26 congratulations on the boy, by the way Sep 28 04:58:32 Thanks :) Sep 28 04:58:34 anyways Sep 28 04:58:45 applications run in v8 instances, right? Sep 28 04:58:53 err Sep 28 04:58:56 webkit instances* Sep 28 04:59:13 Uhh, I guess... Sep 28 04:59:55 so this means when you go hybrid, you have access to all of html, and your game Sep 28 05:00:01 whcih is in the pdk Sep 28 05:00:31 but you're layering mojo on top of that, as an interface to the dom Sep 28 05:00:37 in other words, it's adding a layer of abstraction Sep 28 05:01:12 so we can just remove it, and use classic html/javascript/css if you're comfortable with that, and still take advantage of most parts of mojo where they're needed by initializing them ourselves Sep 28 05:01:26 it's a lot more light weight Sep 28 05:01:38 I'm wondering if I'm still going to have a massive performance hit on the C++ part. Sep 28 05:01:45 and if you want to go hybrid, it might be the only way to get it to work Sep 28 05:02:00 you may, I'm not entirely clear on the way the device manages hybrid applications Sep 28 05:02:17 I was under the impression plug-ins should only really be used for functions that javascript cannot handle Sep 28 05:02:56 http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/09/27/animal.cruelty.videos/index.html?eref=rss_topstories&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+rss/cnn_topstories+%28RSS:+Top+Stories%29 Sep 28 05:04:18 I wonder what Palm is going to do when they have a device with only a virtual keyboard (like a tablet). Are they going to tell PDK devs: "Sorry, but you can't allow text input in your game unless you destroy performance and make it a hybrid app or implement your own virtual keyboard." Sep 28 05:05:29 I guess I'm just tired and cranky. And finding Palm's solutions to things aren't working out too well for me isn't helping. :) Sep 28 05:07:59 Robdor: if you build this on iOS though, having a "hybrid" applcation wouldn't be an option Sep 28 05:08:10 so you'd have to do everything in objective c Sep 28 05:08:14 and maybe that's the best route? Sep 28 05:08:37 On iOS you can embed UI views into your OpenGL apps. Sep 28 05:10:10 So you can embed a text field or a list widget in your app only when you need it. That's what I'm looking for on this side of the fence. Sep 28 05:10:19 ah I see Sep 28 05:10:39 and palm doesn't have a set of c/c++ "widgets", if you will Sep 28 05:10:43 so you tried pdk Sep 28 05:10:49 well we can work on it Sep 28 05:11:00 when you're up for it I could explain to you how to remove Mojo Sep 28 05:12:20 Maybe I'll take you up on that sometime. I don't need it for Plasma Cannon right now. I do have some other game ideas that could save me a lot of time if I don't have to reinvent the UI wheel. Sep 28 05:12:49 I was just testing out performance with Plasma Cannon to see if using a hybrid app was even feasible for my ideas. Sep 28 05:15:27 Well, I'm going to go to bed before I get even more worked up about this. Thanks for the help alexfner! Sep 28 05:15:45 any time Sep 28 05:15:46 later Sep 28 05:44:30 what's wrong with QNX :( Sep 28 07:03:57 Good morning Sep 28 08:43:38 good morning Sep 28 09:50:17 How's it going everybody? Sep 28 09:50:22 hotdp: wb Sep 28 09:50:32 fine, and you? Sep 28 09:50:41 Doing some WebOS while on work? Sep 28 09:51:20 I'm fine thanks. No, not now. I have to do some PHP,LDAP,Postgres thingie for Moodle.. Sep 28 12:51:04 Heyooooooooo Sep 28 12:51:04 Whodere? Sep 28 12:51:23 Anivrom|pre: shh. Sep 28 12:51:41 Oops sorry. Sep 28 12:51:48 * Anivrom|pre covers mouth Sep 28 12:51:59 Some are still trying to sleep. Sep 28 12:52:23 * Templarian wanders off to go wake up. Sep 28 12:52:42 * Anivrom|pre whispers, right sorry. Sep 28 12:53:07 HEY GUYS WHAT's UP? Sep 28 12:58:30 I demo'd an ipad yesterday. It was awesome. Think how much better palms/hp's tablet is gonna be! Sep 28 12:59:48 It all depends on if the gimp the specs like they did with the palm pre's launch. Sep 28 12:59:55 * Anivrom|pre salivates Sep 28 13:03:27 Its a wonder how phone cpu's don't melt. They don't have any fan or airflow at all. Must be stiffling in there Sep 28 13:04:36 My phone's reached 65 celcius before and still works fine. Sep 28 13:04:55 Cpu temp Sep 28 13:05:12 Anivrom|pre : what was awesome about the ipad? Sep 28 13:05:56 The experience of holding a rectangular computer and touching the screen intead of mouse/kb Sep 28 13:06:12 the form factor Sep 28 13:06:18 Not necessarily the ipad Sep 28 13:06:26 But pad in general Sep 28 13:06:47 Which is why I'm pysched for the palmpad Sep 28 13:07:01 whats the latest on that? Sep 28 13:07:07 Webos on a pad is sex Sep 28 13:07:23 well, it may be good Sep 28 13:07:35 but I'd be hard placed to call it "sex" Sep 28 13:07:55 No clue. I'm been so busy doing graphic design contracts haven't even programmed in a week. Which makes me Nah its gonna be sex Sep 28 13:08:46 i guess it depends on the accessories they offer with it Sep 28 13:09:15 * Anivrom|pre runs to the canadian patent office and registers pornPad Sep 28 13:09:26 you r a canuk? Sep 28 13:09:49 Yar. We've had this convo. Your're in vancouver and I'm in toronto Sep 28 13:10:00 ;) Sep 28 13:10:24 <- not in vancouver Sep 28 13:10:36 but ok. sorry if i forgot the convo Sep 28 13:10:40 Calgary that's right Sep 28 13:10:48 you're getting colder Sep 28 13:10:56 New brunswick? Sep 28 13:10:59 NS Sep 28 13:11:05 Lol Sep 28 13:11:11 \o/ Sep 28 13:11:40 thought i should stop you b4 you thought i was a newfie Sep 28 13:11:46 Good to see your area is in good order Sep 28 13:12:17 i am not sure about the tablet platform Sep 28 13:12:28 I have a newfie friend whos the chillest most fun guy you'lll ever hang out with Sep 28 13:12:48 i cant see ppl walking down the street like they do with smartphones Sep 28 13:13:05 driving with your tablet in your face? Sep 28 13:13:15 You're right but its great when you have some time Sep 28 13:13:24 To whip it out Sep 28 13:13:36 couch apps i could see Sep 28 13:13:57 How close are you to the hurricane hitbox? Sep 28 13:13:59 readers, games, social apps Sep 28 13:14:23 in NS? i am in new york right now Sep 28 13:15:13 Oh lulz. But you have atleast called home right? Sep 28 13:15:25 part time home Sep 28 13:15:44 used to live in there full time Sep 28 13:16:05 But everything is good back home? You DID hear about the hurricane right? Sep 28 13:16:35 yes, missed where i am on NS, cape breton area Sep 28 13:17:05 Good good Sep 28 13:24:55 haeffb_pre: good morning sir Sep 28 13:26:02 For all your enjoymentz http://www.walletpop.com/blog/2010/09/27/10-most-overpriced-products-you-should-avoid/ Sep 28 13:26:16 Number one is interesting Sep 28 13:26:17 hi Sep 28 13:27:05 haeffb_pre !!! Sep 28 13:28:44 Anyone catch the angrybirds podcast? Sep 28 13:29:05 Number one in over 80 countries I think he said. Sep 28 13:29:15 wut up? Sep 28 13:29:37 i'm just here dragging Anivrom|pre thru convo's we had in the past.. Sep 28 13:29:45 Lol. Sep 28 13:29:57 Everyone needs a refresher sometimes Sep 28 13:30:25 i wanted to relive my youth of a week ago.. Sep 28 13:30:32 Like what I'm gonna need when I finally have time to get back into my app Sep 28 14:14:05 morning all Sep 28 14:15:52 Morning! Sep 28 14:43:31 well the spammers have won Sep 28 14:43:40 i will be falling from the top 20 within the day Sep 28 14:43:49 the garbage gets paid Sep 28 14:43:56 sigh Sep 28 14:57:20 any jquery coders in the room? Sep 28 14:59:07 indeed Sep 28 14:59:30 I can fake jquery coding... :p Sep 28 15:02:44 codeslaw: sorry to hear that Sep 28 15:03:03 i wish there wasn't such an abundance of crap :/ Sep 28 15:06:46 and nyceane will be getting 2 awards for crap apps Sep 28 15:06:47 fun stuff Sep 28 15:06:53 * halfhalo blames oil Sep 28 15:06:57 lol Sep 28 15:07:59 oil always seems to get the blame :) Sep 28 15:08:11 yup Sep 28 15:08:15 I started a revolution Sep 28 15:16:53 nycenae still won't get a dev phone, even if he won 5 awards Sep 28 15:17:18 "I already spent it all my award money berfore I got it :(" Sep 28 15:25:06 I hope that Palm does a contest like Apple's design awards in the future. Reward developers who try to make good apps instead of developers that make crap and spam the app catalog with meta updates to win. Sep 28 15:27:24 Robdor: I'll still lose :D Sep 28 15:28:15 have we heard anything about the Palm Developer Phone program? Sep 28 15:30:42 halfhalo: any good with knowing where to put the .js files and how to get it to work on the webos? Sep 28 15:32:50 indeed Sep 28 15:33:00 design awards would be awesome Sep 28 15:33:07 anything that awards quality over quantity Sep 28 15:33:20 and doesn't BLATANTLY favor big shops porting their apps from iPhone Sep 28 15:33:45 rovio must need the cash, lets feature both of their apps for the entire duration of their existance on the platform Sep 28 15:34:19 multiple 10k awards to... why? does palm WANT to pay EA games and gameloft 80k? Sep 28 15:34:31 that was a decision that makes no sense at all to me Sep 28 15:34:33 its lose lose Sep 28 15:34:45 multiple payouts to big shops who "need the money" Sep 28 15:35:03 and multiple payouts to "touch me for sound" app developers Sep 28 15:35:09 with shiny icons of course Sep 28 15:35:17 /end rant Sep 28 15:36:13 in any case, it's time to stop relying on hot apps and figuring out how to monetize my stuff without playing these games Sep 28 15:37:15 Me too, I haven't had very many Plasma Cannon sales yet. Although I have been waiting to release my updates after the contest is over. Sep 28 15:44:21 It's actually kind of surprising that I'm #45 in the hot apps contest with so few sales. I don't think Palm users are buying apps as much as I thought. Sep 28 15:44:27 hi Sep 28 15:45:04 afternoon all Sep 28 15:45:08 the paid app category doesn't seem very crowded but I missed the time when I could submit one Sep 28 15:52:13 sugardave: did nyceane say that about this current promo? i know he said that about the last one Sep 28 15:53:09 codeslaw: i don't see why the lite version is even on the board... if they win the top app for paid, the other one is pointless Sep 28 15:53:17 no Sep 28 15:53:26 palm is allowing multiple 10k awards Sep 28 15:53:37 so they can win 100k + 10k Sep 28 15:53:47 and i would think that palm would cater to the individual developers... the ones who could use the money Sep 28 15:53:57 ohhh, that's crap :/ Sep 28 15:54:11 no, they are catering to whomever will carry the weight Sep 28 15:54:49 understandable for a near-dead platform, the question is whether it climbs out of near death or falls all the way in Sep 28 15:55:04 i guess i just give too much credit to some developers Sep 28 15:55:13 Does DST always happen on the same day for every timezone (locally, that is)? Sep 28 15:55:30 hopefully climbs out Sep 28 15:55:34 remember, Palm rakes 30% of Rovio sales Sep 28 15:55:38 but they need to work fast for that to happen Sep 28 15:55:41 truth Sep 28 15:55:48 and waiting to release another phone is taking it's toll Sep 28 15:55:56 blackberry playbook -- i'm porting to that Sep 28 15:56:14 which will let me deploy to any android platform that runs AIR in the future Sep 28 15:56:32 is the bb android? Sep 28 15:56:59 I would doubt it, but it runs AIR Sep 28 15:57:20 ok Sep 28 15:57:26 no its QNX Sep 28 15:57:35 * MetaView looks what this AIR is Sep 28 15:57:53 MetaView: its flash/actionscript packaged in an executable Sep 28 15:58:35 ok, but how fast is it? I know people complaining about the slow flash support on Android Sep 28 15:58:47 no idea how fast it is Sep 28 15:58:57 they are complaining about slow flash VIDEO Sep 28 15:58:59 flash, another near dead platform Sep 28 15:59:07 flash games/apps run quite nice Sep 28 15:59:22 I don't know if they complain about the video performance, why should it slow? Sep 28 15:59:32 haeffb_pre, this is probably a stupid question, but is it possible to link different widgets to the same 'handleTap' function? And if so, how do you tell which one was tapped? Sep 28 15:59:47 there is a tap target Sep 28 15:59:57 on the playbook, flash has hardware accelerated video Sep 28 16:00:02 at tleast for lists you have this ta ptarget Sep 28 16:00:38 Right, but I have a list and a button now. Sep 28 16:03:30 better to use diff fcns then Sep 28 16:03:49 Mmkay. Sep 28 16:04:47 but you might b able to use event.target... Sep 28 16:12:42 Does DST happen on the same date and time, locally? Sep 28 16:13:48 ? Sep 28 16:13:57 no, it's different in each country Sep 28 16:14:06 Lovely. More coding for me. Sep 28 16:14:24 but that's something the OS cares about Sep 28 16:14:48 Yeah, problem is, I don't have the OS helping me out. Sep 28 16:15:28 oh, microcontroller programming? Sep 28 16:15:44 ......What? Sep 28 16:16:59 why you don't have an OS to help you? The only system without a full-featured OS with multiple timezone infos might be a little microcontroller based system, like AVR Sep 28 16:19:06 I'm confused. Sep 28 16:19:16 What do you mean by the OS helping me? Sep 28 16:19:38 Because right now I'm getting a list of timezones from the OS with offsets and converting them myself. Sep 28 16:20:34 hm, right, I tought if you specify an utc-date and let convert it into a timezone, the OS will care about DST Sep 28 16:24:51 I can? Sep 28 16:25:25 I guess you can, try it Sep 28 16:25:48 ...How? Sep 28 16:29:53 http://www.imb-jena.de/~gmueller/kurse/c_c++/c_timzon.html Sep 28 16:30:05 oh, it's in German :) Sep 28 16:30:52 I'm using the SDK, not PDK, so how would C++ help me? Sep 28 16:30:59 going to flash my Pre Plus to 1.4.5 Sep 28 16:31:06 would not, right Sep 28 16:36:37 hey codeslaw Sep 28 16:38:48 n00b question Sep 28 16:39:07 i just installed sdk onto my laptop windows 7 64bit / downloaded virtualbox Sep 28 16:39:08 KGF2009: right, probably not possible, but have you seen this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tz_database Sep 28 16:39:10 and did what it said Sep 28 16:39:17 then i did the plam-generate Sep 28 16:39:20 no emulator Sep 28 16:39:50 am i doing something wrong Sep 28 16:40:00 i see shortcuts but no emulator Sep 28 16:40:34 in Start? Sep 28 16:40:53 haeffb_pre, that for me ? Sep 28 16:41:15 i see sdk on desktop and virtualbox Sep 28 16:44:28 anyway to get it working ? Sep 28 16:47:38 there should be a palm folder in start menu Sep 28 16:47:45 oh Sep 28 16:48:24 im looking forward to it Sep 28 16:48:25 lol Sep 28 16:49:55 Hello Everyone Sep 28 16:49:57 @codeslaw, are you here? Sep 28 16:50:07 yo whats up Sep 28 16:51:39 are you gona maintain at #20? Sep 28 16:51:53 probably not Sep 28 16:51:58 =( Sep 28 16:52:02 you actually have a good app Sep 28 16:52:09 doesn't matter this time around Sep 28 16:52:32 did you do an update today? Sep 28 16:52:36 ya Sep 28 16:52:44 ok, i'll give you some of my ads Sep 28 16:52:57 that will give you like 100 to 200 downloads, hopefully keeps you up there Sep 28 16:53:07 i had good placement, but groundeffects is featured by palm and is prob gonna jump me Sep 28 16:53:10 red necks vs. aliens got knocked down wow Sep 28 16:53:23 ground effects already jumped you Sep 28 16:53:34 oh it updated already? Sep 28 16:53:59 yah Sep 28 16:54:03 you are at #20 Sep 28 16:54:04 just a matter of time with super jump Sep 28 16:54:23 i thas the upward momentum Sep 28 16:54:26 and i'm swinging down hard Sep 28 16:54:31 that guy has 2 apps in $10,000 range already Sep 28 16:54:40 i know Sep 28 16:54:44 not as hard as mech invasion Sep 28 16:55:08 there's only threat from 1 app though, so mech should be fine unless i can jumpit Sep 28 16:55:10 its easier on the mac Sep 28 16:55:15 im opening it for the first time Sep 28 16:55:23 i'm actually trying to send an email blast to my 10,000 paintr lite users Sep 28 16:55:37 but who knows if that will convert anything Sep 28 16:57:26 OMG THIS IS AWESOME!!! Sep 28 16:58:11 UMM.. YEA Sep 28 16:58:18 so i have the dialpad up Sep 28 16:58:20 how do i get rid Sep 28 16:58:27 codeslaw, sounds like kindof spam... Sep 28 16:58:46 We had a disadvantage for PDK, it was really for the iPhone devs to port stuff over Sep 28 16:58:58 right Sep 28 16:59:06 is it spam? they registered and i am the developer, full opt-out options included Sep 28 16:59:37 codeslaw Sep 28 16:59:43 don't know Sep 28 16:59:55 issue an emergency update to paintr that lets you issue a server controlled message when they open the app Sep 28 16:59:59 macman_, press home. Sep 28 17:00:10 codeslaw: not spam Sep 28 17:00:16 CTLAdvance: i already do that Sep 28 17:00:22 lol Sep 28 17:00:25 oy Sep 28 17:00:35 just puts a little textfied on the intro screen that links to the app Sep 28 17:00:36 anyone have a good host recommendation Sep 28 17:00:39 i'd say it's not because as you mentioned, they can opt-out Sep 28 17:00:44 nothing invasive Sep 28 17:00:57 and it's an information e-mail Sep 28 17:01:19 hey, this is another app developed by codeslaw... you liked paintr, you may like this Sep 28 17:01:30 ya Sep 28 17:01:31 but really the sole point of the pdk contest was to get iphone devs... Sep 28 17:01:44 CTLAdvance: agreed, but the free side of that failed utterly Sep 28 17:01:45 congrats if you can make it Sep 28 17:01:54 free side of what Sep 28 17:01:59 of cthe contest Sep 28 17:02:03 oh yeah Sep 28 17:02:04 i wish i could finish my app, but i don't think it would've made it in the top area Sep 28 17:02:14 there are a few awesome pdk free aps from iphone Sep 28 17:02:14 (free side) Sep 28 17:02:16 the paid side is Angry Birds, 3 or 4 indies, then tons of money for EA and Gameloft Sep 28 17:02:24 many of the videos in the catalog are of the app on iphone Sep 28 17:02:27 not webos Sep 28 17:02:34 the free iphone ports aren't in the top 20 though Sep 28 17:03:00 hmm, interesting. There are some really good ones Sep 28 17:03:16 they don't play the spam game though (or know about it) so tehy aren't near the top Sep 28 17:09:06 you can also buy ads from admob Sep 28 17:10:53 how do i press home on sdk Sep 28 17:10:55 or this emulator ? Sep 28 17:11:20 spacebar i think Sep 28 17:12:54 nope Sep 28 17:13:10 Pos1/Home o nthe keyboard Sep 28 17:13:36 on a mac, hm Sep 28 17:13:59 im in the phone and can't ge tout Sep 28 17:14:01 phone/dialer Sep 28 17:14:22 ESC-key? Sep 28 17:14:33 yes Sep 28 17:14:35 thanks Sep 28 17:14:50 on windows it is ESC-key for back gesture and Pos1 or Home key for the home key Sep 28 17:15:00 has KGF2009 figured out how to use the Date object yet? Sep 28 17:16:04 lol Sep 28 17:16:06 what do i do Sep 28 17:16:09 its so new Sep 28 17:17:10 is there a settings ? Sep 28 17:17:54 Hi ho, what's up Sep 28 17:19:59 can i connect to internet on sdk or this emulator ? Sep 28 17:20:37 yes Sep 28 17:20:43 its so new Sep 28 17:20:44 Evening hotdp Sep 28 17:20:48 im staring at the home screen Sep 28 17:20:53 Evning teemu Sep 28 17:20:56 i know how to get into the stuff Sep 28 17:20:58 but what next Sep 28 17:21:09 wrtie "test" Sep 28 17:21:11 grah. Thunderbird carshed on me Sep 28 17:21:14 and pres "google" Sep 28 17:21:18 ok Sep 28 17:21:27 just type it right .. isnt't there a universal search thing Sep 28 17:21:35 macman_ where you from ? Sep 28 17:21:35 do i have to be at home screen Sep 28 17:21:40 California Sep 28 17:21:54 you don't use a webos device? Sep 28 17:22:09 not yet im thinking about it .. im on android atm .. palm pre is very pretty Sep 28 17:22:14 im upgrade eligble in january Sep 28 17:22:20 ok google came up Sep 28 17:22:21 oki Sep 28 17:24:58 so you use the emulator to see if webos is something for you` Sep 28 17:25:14 yes Sep 28 17:25:19 its how i leard about android Sep 28 17:25:28 Just type is in WebOs 2.0 Sep 28 17:25:31 i played with emaultor and figured it out so when i got the device it was easy Sep 28 17:25:39 where on the emualtor ? Sep 28 17:25:40 in the current version it is names universal search Sep 28 17:25:52 you have 2.0 ? Sep 28 17:26:07 dunno Sep 28 17:26:13 don't think you have Sep 28 17:26:19 it is early developer only :) Sep 28 17:26:22 beta Sep 28 17:26:22 palm web os 1.4.5 sdk Sep 28 17:31:34 But you will like WebOS thats for sure :P Sep 28 17:31:34 sugardave, yes KGF2009 has. Sep 28 17:31:52 sugardave how are you? Going to Denmark? Sep 28 17:34:22 The Palm Pre is a really good device. I really like it for a couple reasons, one being that I just picked it up in the verizon store once to look at it and in less than 5 minutes I figured out how to work almost everything about it. Sep 28 17:36:18 sugardave, why? Is there some kind of DST-checking function I haven't heard of? Sep 28 17:49:48 hotdp: no, one of my peers is there instead....maybe next time Sep 28 17:49:57 KGF2009: I don't know, what do you know? Sep 28 17:52:46 KGF2009: are you using Mojo.Format.formatDate? It apparently can take a country code and outputs the appropriate date or time depending on the options you feed it Sep 28 17:53:50 Anyone playing blue defender these days? Sep 28 17:54:20 no? Sep 28 17:54:37 Boo. Its pretty good. Sep 28 17:55:50 Wow dodge ram srt 10. So beast Sep 28 17:56:42 meh, its a truck Sep 28 17:57:05 A beast truck. Sep 28 17:57:39 I'm not into trucks. Sep 28 17:57:57 Neither am I Sep 28 17:58:08 But that truck is KRZY Sep 28 17:58:08 I wonder, do people in USA pay "green tax" every year? Sep 28 17:58:16 The more they polute the more they pay? Sep 28 17:58:24 Nope Sep 28 17:58:33 not yet! Sep 28 17:58:44 but we can change that, just hope harder Sep 28 17:58:58 500 freakin horsepower Sep 28 17:59:02 we do in denmark :( Sep 28 17:59:09 500 is not enough Sep 28 17:59:59 You almost have to put slicks on that badboy Sep 28 18:00:11 Or a jet engine Sep 28 18:00:21 That works Sep 28 18:00:35 sugardave, never heard of that method, but I'll look into it, thanks. Might simplify things. Sep 28 18:00:57 KGF2009: http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1861#.formatDate Sep 28 18:01:00 Disclaimer: results may vary Sep 28 18:01:26 Mojo.Format.formatDate(new Date(), {'time': 'medium'}); Sep 28 18:01:29 for example Sep 28 18:01:47 er Sep 28 18:01:56 Mojo.Format.formatDate(new Date(), {'time': 'medium', 'countryCode': 'us'}); Sep 28 18:02:05 Mojo.sudo.make({me:samich}) Sep 28 18:02:45 Unless I'm misunderstanding, that looks like a way to turn the date into a string based on regional standards, not timezone standards. Sep 28 18:03:01 IE, different ways to show it. Sep 28 18:03:39 KGF2009: sorry 'us' is not right, check this page for ISO 639 codes: http://people.dsv.su.se/~jpalme/ietf/language-codes.html Sep 28 18:04:36 I think the Format object is more for apps that span different countries and need to be displayed differently. Sep 28 18:04:38 KGF2009: it will turn the date into a date OR time string formatted by whatever countrycode you specify Sep 28 18:04:56 But it doesn't change the timezone. Sep 28 18:04:57 KGF2009: think bigger, you can force a country code to display it however you want Sep 28 18:05:16 if I say "give me this new Date()'s time in Hawaii" it will Sep 28 18:05:35 I know how to display the times, and I am. Sep 28 18:05:45 What I need now is a way to detect DST. Sep 28 18:06:02 Does DST always change on the same (local) day and time? Sep 28 18:06:21 no Sep 28 18:07:43 the workaround for that will be to change the locale, compute the value, store it for display, and then switch back to the user's real locale Sep 28 18:07:52 at least, that's how I'd do it Sep 28 18:07:54 but I'm stupid Sep 28 18:08:11 and now it is late naplunch time Sep 28 18:08:14 bbl Sep 28 18:10:32 codeslaw, i really hope you win man... Sep 28 18:10:42 i appreciate the vote of confidence Sep 28 18:10:47 i'm keeping my hopes low Sep 28 18:11:39 hopefully we knock the fart bomb out Sep 28 18:12:27 dundundun..... Sep 28 18:12:45 Codeslaw what place are you in? Sep 28 18:12:48 And for which app? Sep 28 18:12:51 20th Sep 28 18:12:53 songwave Sep 28 18:13:01 Noice Sep 28 18:13:08 i was 15th 2 days ago Sep 28 18:13:12 i'llbe 21st tomorrow Sep 28 18:13:29 You need to hype it up Sep 28 18:13:39 get palm to feature it Sep 28 18:13:40 have been Sep 28 18:13:45 it was featured for 2 weeks Sep 28 18:13:50 songwave is ballin Sep 28 18:13:57 i dig it Sep 28 18:14:02 Append the description to Sep 28 18:14:21 "Now every download gets a free unicorn!" Sep 28 18:14:25 "Songwave is balliln | i dig it" - torchie Sep 28 18:14:36 adding both of those now.. Sep 28 18:14:55 "songwave gives me waves of songs everytime!!!" -anivrom Sep 28 18:15:42 "songwave paid for this review" - halfhalo Sep 28 18:15:49 wait, don't put that Sep 28 18:18:14 lol Sep 28 18:18:30 "I gave my left nut for songwave... And I never looked back.... Ever..." Sep 28 18:18:30 -anivrom Sep 28 18:18:39 Trucks are good.. or can be. Sep 28 18:19:02 Lol! Gee wonder what jtrucks likes.... Sep 28 18:19:21 Anivrom|pre: actually, it's my name. I like (most of) my family ;) Sep 28 18:19:36 Oh noice Sep 28 18:20:20 codeslaw: how many dl do you get per day? Sep 28 18:21:29 mmm around 500 average Sep 28 18:21:37 hm, me too Sep 28 18:21:48 but I'm not even reached the 70 Sep 28 18:21:53 at least with one app :) Sep 28 18:22:00 what about twitter? Sep 28 18:22:13 in the beginning i had around 1800 a day Sep 28 18:22:19 did you used it? add @Palm and maybe Palm will retweet it Sep 28 18:22:39 i'll try that Sep 28 18:23:22 I could translate it for you into German and you add @Palm_de Sep 28 18:23:43 haha awesome Sep 28 18:24:16 MetaView: how do you say unicorn in german? Sep 28 18:24:31 Einhorn Sep 28 18:24:38 Awesome! Sep 28 18:24:43 sounds way more majestic in german Sep 28 18:24:44 but it doesn't exists, not even in Germany Sep 28 18:24:54 http://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=com.victorylinkusa.worldtimepro Sep 28 18:25:01 Soundwave das Einhorn unter den Musikapps? Sep 28 18:25:08 I've got heavy competition. Sep 28 18:25:12 perfect Sep 28 18:25:29 Haha Sep 28 18:25:39 Epic my friends.. Epic Sep 28 18:26:09 Soundwave - Wie ein Säuseln im Wind. Sep 28 18:26:31 soundwave vs. fart bomb Sep 28 18:27:39 songwave btw,not soundwave =D Sep 28 18:27:49 songwave vs. fart bomb Sep 28 18:27:59 we need more downloads on songwave to beat out fart bomb Sep 28 18:28:05 Songwave - schöner als jeder Furz. Sep 28 18:28:39 evening Sep 28 18:28:47 nice one Sep 28 18:30:47 hey, what's the qualification to get a Free Device Program Sep 28 18:30:59 write to pdc@palm.com and ask :) Sep 28 18:31:05 I did lol Sep 28 18:31:15 I want one that can run webos 2.0 app Sep 28 18:31:21 so i can start doing teest Sep 28 18:31:21 you can't have any crappy apps in the catalog ;) Sep 28 18:31:26 =( Sep 28 18:31:36 i just have to suspend them after the contest then lol Sep 28 18:31:54 * KGF2009 wanders off to download songwave. Sep 28 18:32:18 i'll go download it from verizon store later Sep 28 18:33:27 swisstomcat, did you get one? Sep 28 18:34:16 chuqui: ping Sep 28 18:34:18 speaking of test devices, just managed to unlock the Pre Plus from JsConf Sep 28 18:34:34 Nice Sep 28 18:35:12 nice Sep 28 18:35:12 Anivrom|pre: pong Sep 28 18:36:30 chuqui: Developer in Europe are a iritated when getting CDMA-Pixis or SIM-Locked UK-Pres as developer devices Sep 28 18:36:39 a/a bit Sep 28 18:36:58 Free phones for everyone! Sep 28 18:37:13 halfhalo, microsoft will be doing that very soon Sep 28 18:37:15 not that it doesn't work, but I guess people prefer it to also use the devices for daily life Sep 28 18:37:34 yes, MS already had a website to register for free phones Sep 28 18:37:36 halfhalo, i remember microsoft was giving out so many xboxes in the begining, some people manage to win 2 Sep 28 18:37:44 Google gives free phones on there dev confs Sep 28 18:37:59 MetaView: I sympathize. Sep 28 18:38:09 MetaView: it's what we have available. and it's free. Sep 28 18:38:15 * halfhalo wants link to free ms phone Sep 28 18:38:23 * halfhalo never turns down free stuff Sep 28 18:38:46 halfhalo, they are not free atm, due to the fact its not even released yet Sep 28 18:38:47 chuqui: yes, but it makes the good move a bit awkward? Sep 28 18:38:54 Psh.... Sep 28 18:38:59 i got a $300 gift card from windows phone 7 event lol Sep 28 18:39:07 nice Sep 28 18:39:07 halfhalo: its in the recent newsletter Sep 28 18:39:20 people asked me at jsconf party about the phones and why there are not working Sep 28 18:39:28 MetaView: I don't think so. but honestly, no matter what you do, someone will be unhappy. nothing's 100% perfect for everyone. Sep 28 18:39:33 MetaView: so you do your best. Sep 28 18:39:39 umm.. Sep 28 18:39:39 right :) Sep 28 18:39:42 chuqui, what's the qualification for the pre plus? and does it run webos 2.0? Sep 28 18:39:55 http://www.colorwize.com/Earthquake%20Prediction.html Sep 28 18:39:56 weeee Sep 28 18:40:21 Nyceane: honestly, I don't know the qualifications. and I'm trying to stay out of that loop. Sep 28 18:41:08 halfhalo: looks like rain map for Germany Sep 28 18:41:19 Lol Sep 28 18:41:36 I mean if you think about it chuqui von rospach is pretty much the most awesome name... Sep 28 18:41:49 Ever Sep 28 18:41:56 :) Sep 28 18:41:56 I agree lol Sep 28 18:42:13 hotdp always reminds me of that video =| Sep 28 18:42:30 The von makees it like 200 times more aeesome Sep 28 18:42:54 Is there a rule on age for developer accounts? Sep 28 18:42:59 I wish my name was Jon Von Cross Sep 28 18:43:25 if you're under legal age of consent you need your parents approval of the legal parts. Otherwise, no. Sep 28 18:43:34 KGF2009: don't think so. Kesne is like 3 years old and he's got one Sep 28 18:43:51 Nyceane i want change a 12 year old nick Sep 28 18:44:03 Really? I thought he was youger! Sep 28 18:44:15 Which parts are the legal parts? Sep 28 18:44:24 You would think that by the way he acts lol Sep 28 18:44:30 lol Sep 28 18:44:44 And for that matter, what do I put for 'Company Name'? Sep 28 18:45:05 KGF2009 Sep 28 18:45:24 hotdp, what do other people think about hotdp? Sep 28 18:45:32 what is hotdp Sep 28 18:45:35 ? Sep 28 18:45:45 Nyceane Sep 28 18:45:49 for company name you can just use your own name Sep 28 18:45:51 I have only got comment to times Sep 28 18:45:53 hi chuqui Sep 28 18:45:54 Dp are his initials. Sep 28 18:45:56 you and Anivrom|pre Sep 28 18:45:59 ..Okay, how about the tax info? Sep 28 18:46:01 Hot is cause he's sexy Sep 28 18:46:13 not ANY other in 12 years Sep 28 18:46:24 still want to see this video Sep 28 18:47:03 * MetaView looks for privacy settings in its browser Sep 28 18:47:14 swisstomcat: hey! howdee! Sep 28 18:47:16 MetaView, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80LMoyWD00U Sep 28 18:47:23 *his but already forgiven Sep 28 18:47:28 its on youtube Sep 28 18:47:31 KGF2009: you can use your parents tax info. that's part of the parental consent. Sep 28 18:47:42 you might need to cut them in on a percentage... (grin) Sep 28 18:47:49 Lol Sep 28 18:47:54 Nevarrrrrrrrrr!! Sep 28 18:47:56 Aw. Sep 28 18:47:58 Being 15 sucks. Sep 28 18:48:36 Its pretty much the worst age. You're slightly too young for most "big kid" activities Sep 28 18:48:49 hi chuqui. thanks for looking into that question. Sep 28 18:48:56 yay, i'm going to the google developer day in munich :) Sep 28 18:49:07 lucky Sep 28 18:49:51 swisstomcat, you'll get a free google tv =) Sep 28 18:49:58 heh Sep 28 18:50:02 i don't watch TV Sep 28 18:50:10 Google TV is not TV Sep 28 18:50:38 I find it kinda funny that even if someone doesn't speak/read/write a word of english they are forced to program in it. Sep 28 18:51:14 BlackBerry PlayBook announced ... HP/Palm, it's time for your move! Sep 28 18:51:15 yah, but their code is somewhat unreadable Sep 28 18:51:26 because all the variables are being declared in other langauges Sep 28 18:51:35 Unless they have muktilingual cmpilers Sep 28 18:51:40 'forced'? Sep 28 18:52:16 Um yea.... What's your synonym of choice? Sep 28 18:52:31 volunteer Sep 28 18:52:39 swisstomcat: +1 Sep 28 18:52:47 Volunteer frcefully Sep 28 18:52:48 playbook looks so fly :( Sep 28 18:52:56 even though that video wasn't a real life use video Sep 28 18:53:20 I demo'd an ipad yesterday. Pads/books/tablets are so sexy Sep 28 18:53:26 what's rim's developer program like Sep 28 18:53:34 can i develop outside of it Sep 28 18:53:38 choose Sep 28 18:54:04 I almost never see anything about homebrew on blackberry Sep 28 18:54:09 blackberry runs phonegap and webkit Sep 28 18:54:16 (version 6) Sep 28 18:54:57 what of c++ Sep 28 18:55:23 it looks like the only way to distribute is through blackberry app world Sep 28 18:55:27 i thought they run on Java Sep 28 18:55:39 at least thats what I've seen last time Sep 28 18:56:03 yeah I hear java's available on playbook Sep 28 18:56:04 no dice Sep 28 18:57:03 don't break my balls rim :( Sep 28 18:57:24 http://na.blackberry.com/eng/developers/ Sep 28 18:58:24 Question Sep 28 18:58:38 MetaView: how did you unlock your device? Sep 28 18:58:39 i just took the google account off the palm right and it still syncing Sep 28 18:58:44 i turned on airplane mode and issue persist Sep 28 18:58:48 anything i can do to stop it ? Sep 28 18:58:50 hmm Sep 28 18:59:05 calendar or contacts or mail? Sep 28 19:00:32 * haeffb_pre thinks airplane mode doesn't work in emu Sep 28 19:00:42 metaview: Meine Präsentation zum Thema "webOS Programmierung (Übersicht)" ist nun online verfĂźgbar: http://slidesha.re/bK5Iat Sep 28 19:03:34 HattCzech_work: using www.nextgenserver.com Sep 28 19:03:35 swisstomcat, any i think its mail Sep 28 19:03:41 swisstomcat, im learning the emulator/sdk Sep 28 19:03:54 will write some lines about my experience Sep 28 19:03:55 it has sync icon at the bottom .. if i click it it says gmail Sep 28 19:04:25 under contacts > prefs & accounts there is nothing there Sep 28 19:04:29 should i just turn it off and on ? Sep 28 19:04:30 swisstomcat: cool, werde ich mal in meinem Blog verlinken Sep 28 19:04:35 in the emulator, macman? Sep 28 19:04:43 metaview: thx Sep 28 19:04:46 yes Sep 28 19:05:01 ah, a paid service, gotcha... i thought you had managed to do it for free :) Sep 28 19:05:07 i just quit it Sep 28 19:05:20 i'll check prices when i start to travel :) Sep 28 19:05:59 no, I guess it's very hard Sep 28 19:13:14 ping roy-pre101 Sep 28 19:24:06 how do I unregister one device from my profile? Sep 28 19:57:39 in /media/internal/.palm/==... are the attachements? Sep 28 19:57:52 they take quite some space on the usb drive Sep 28 19:58:37 F**k, Not another puzzle Sep 28 19:59:22 ? Sep 28 20:12:43 hi all .. just looking at all options .. probably wrong place to ask Sep 28 20:13:08 my brother in law has a palm pre and has had it for 1 year and i asked him since he is getting something else if i can have his just for testing .. he stated it is not reliable Sep 28 20:13:21 not reliable? Sep 28 20:13:25 In what ways? Sep 28 20:13:29 dunno Sep 28 20:13:33 he didn't elaberate Sep 28 20:13:54 Palm Pre's the best phone I've had. Sep 28 20:14:06 i've only had iphones / blackberrys / androids Sep 28 20:14:11 so big step for me Sep 28 20:14:20 i love the emulator and many many youtbue videos Sep 28 20:15:13 Different people have different experiences. My advice is to not listen to him and give it a shot yourself. Sep 28 20:15:33 After using it for a little, then you can make your opinion. Sep 28 20:15:43 My opinion is 'epic'. Sep 28 20:21:42 nice Sep 28 20:21:46 back from luch Sep 28 20:21:47 lunch Sep 28 20:21:54 yea im on the emulator right now KGF2009 im played with calendars and stuff Sep 28 20:23:41 Personally, out of everything the palm has, my absolute favorite feature is that you can have multiple apps open at once, unlike the iPhone. I don't know about the droid, though. Sep 28 20:25:03 well android multitasking is Sep 28 20:25:09 clunky. Sep 28 20:26:31 macman_: calendar will become epic after installing UberCalendar patch Sep 28 20:27:24 well I'm not sure if my pre's alarms and calendar notifications have actually been going off Sep 28 20:27:32 metaview: yeah, Ăźbercalendar is nice Sep 28 20:27:42 sometimes I wake up two hours late and see no trace of an alarm or calendar notification Sep 28 20:28:06 one time I sat the alarm to 45 minutes for the laundry, didn't hear it or anything Sep 28 20:28:10 dunno if it's just my pre Sep 28 20:28:34 I find that my pre simply isn't loud enough and I hardly ever hear it do anything at all Sep 28 20:28:40 that's probably what it is Sep 28 20:28:41 I'm always missing calls Sep 28 20:28:48 yeah Sep 28 20:28:53 the hardware's unreliable in that Sep 28 20:28:55 I'm on my third pre Sep 28 20:29:18 and this was, I think, supposed to be the revision that sprint got that was supposed to be more durable Sep 28 20:29:23 earpiece is broken. Sep 28 20:30:00 I'm wondering how much of the hardware issues can be attributed to the slider mechanism Sep 28 20:30:46 I've had the touchscreen become a little unresponsive or over-responsive when it gets to higher temperatures. Sep 28 20:31:21 goodn8 everyone Sep 28 20:50:43 Can anyone else install the patch "No Pause of Video on Screen Change" from Preware? Sep 28 21:04:42 rwhitby, what's it mean when it says '2 of 2 hunks ignored'? Sep 28 21:04:52 In Preware, that is Sep 28 21:05:44 it says that in the patch file was for this file 2 parts to patch and both didn't fit Sep 28 21:06:00 So it's broken? Sep 28 21:15:05 Nyceane: really? you're still not going to buy a device? Sep 28 21:16:28 KGF2009: you probably have another patch in the same file installed Sep 28 21:16:37 or the same patch and need to deinstall it Sep 28 21:16:40 which patch? Sep 28 21:17:31 No Pause of Video on Screen Change Sep 28 21:17:40 It's under Video Player. Sep 28 21:19:43 is there a way to clear my device's logs? Sep 28 21:20:00 at least the logs for my app. Sep 28 21:20:18 Let's see..The other patches I have for Video Player are: Add Delete Buttons, and Edit Any Videos Metadata. Sep 28 21:20:30 dohtem: cat /dev/null > /var/log/messages Sep 28 21:20:30 KGF2009: you could download the file which refuses to patch and check it manually Sep 28 21:20:32 log gone Sep 28 21:20:55 they might conflict Sep 28 21:21:37 where am I supposed to put my mp3 files to be found by the media player on my pre? Sep 28 21:21:43 Anywhere. Sep 28 21:21:51 no, this doesn't work Sep 28 21:22:29 sugardave: isnt that backwards? Sep 28 21:22:30 oh, or maybe they are in .downloads Sep 28 21:23:51 dohtem: if you want to clear the logs, what I put will do that Sep 28 21:23:51 And for that matter, that won't delete the logs. Sep 28 21:24:15 no Sep 28 21:24:20 it clears /var/log/messages Sep 28 21:24:22 cat is a command to read the contents of a file. It doesn't edit the file. Sep 28 21:24:45 but you overwrite the messages with 0 Sep 28 21:24:45 cat /dev/null > /var/log/messages EFFECTIVELY deletes the logs by blanking out the log file Sep 28 21:24:51 no Sep 28 21:24:55 /dev/nuill is null Sep 28 21:25:01 what i wrote Sep 28 21:25:08 Why not just rm /var/log/messages ? Sep 28 21:25:11 you overwrite the content of messages with 0 Sep 28 21:25:25 the other will keep the file Sep 28 21:25:26 KGF2009: because what if something wants to write to it? Sep 28 21:25:35 you'd have to rm it, then touch it Sep 28 21:25:48 Let me try your method. Sep 28 21:26:32 Oh. Apologies. Apparently I need to brush up on my linux commands. Sep 28 21:27:33 * dohtem still doesn't know how to ssh into his device. I guess these logs will stay for a bit :( Sep 28 21:27:49 dohtem: you should be able to do it from novaterm Sep 28 21:27:56 dohtem, do you have the SDK? Sep 28 21:28:56 yeah Sep 28 21:29:27 Yeah, plug in your device and open a command line, then type: novaterm Sep 28 21:29:31 Voila. You're in. Sep 28 21:31:17 heh, I'm on windows and I ran the copy of putty that came with the PDK. my working dir is /var/home/root Sep 28 21:31:21 is that it? Sep 28 21:31:27 That's it. Sep 28 21:31:30 *facepalm* Sep 28 21:31:38 I feel silly Sep 28 21:31:46 thanks :) Sep 28 21:31:48 Is it possible to use things like palm-install and palm-launch if the phone is on your wi-fi network? Sep 28 21:31:59 no Sep 28 21:31:59 no Sep 28 21:32:05 it neds usb connection Sep 28 21:32:07 Aww. Sep 28 21:32:58 is it normal that the usb drive connection gets lost fro mtime to time with the pre? Sep 28 21:33:10 Not in my experiences. Sep 28 21:33:44 thanks again guys. I ssh'ed in and cleared my logs. Sep 28 21:37:29 2.5 days left Sep 28 21:39:05 what's the quickest way to delete all items in my list widget? Is there a way to clear the entire list or will I have to iterate through and manually delete each item? Sep 28 21:39:39 dohtem: model.items = []; modelChanged; Sep 28 21:39:45 yes Sep 28 21:40:07 or some weird shit with setLengthAndInvalidate mojo method or something like that Sep 28 21:45:01 sugardave: I'm worried about memory leaks. Will the last list object be automatically destroyed? Sep 28 21:46:39 uggg.... can't install eclipse addons because internets are to crappy over wifi Sep 28 21:49:35 dohtem: I'm not sure what you mean....when you change the list model's item array to a new (empty) array, the old stuff is gone Sep 28 21:50:21 ah, I thought I had to manually delete those objects Sep 28 21:50:47 you have a gc Sep 28 21:51:21 C++ background :) I'm used to doing garbage collection myself Sep 28 21:53:36 dohtem: oh, I see...yeah sometimes I use delete if I want to "make sure", but I think delete only immediately marks the thing as ready for a gc Sep 28 22:03:12 haha Sep 28 22:03:23 man im just stuck on this keyboard and i've fat fingered all keyboards Sep 28 22:03:27 anyone have a virutal keyboard ? Sep 28 22:03:43 sugardave: FYI: busybox syslog will recreate /var/log/messages if it is removed - no need to touch it first Sep 28 22:05:36 hi rwhitby, good morning Sep 28 22:08:28 MetaView: g'day Sep 28 22:09:36 What do you guys think about this new icon for mojo messenger? http://wimg.co.uk/ulw.png Sep 28 22:12:08 ok, attempting vs2010 git integration... Sep 28 22:14:11 http://metaviewsoft.de/wordpress/?p=472 oh well Sep 28 22:14:39 how to tell wordpress not to make smileys and not to process < and > ? Sep 28 22:16:00 or maybe [code]? Sep 28 22:17:12 I used and
Sep 28 22:17:32  Tibfib: LOOOOOVING IIIIT
Sep 28 22:17:57  lol
Sep 28 22:18:16  funkatron: hah, I think I do too. Just not the slight white around the chat bubbles
Sep 28 22:18:48  might be me being picky...
Sep 28 22:19:45  I htink at the small size it could use thicker bevels
Sep 28 22:20:55  hmmm, yeah
Sep 28 22:39:19  how do I make my jump to the top of my List widget?
Sep 28 22:39:34  how do I jump to the top of my List widget?*
Sep 28 22:40:28  you have to use a scroller
Sep 28 22:40:45  a custom scroller/the scene scroller
Sep 28 22:41:16  thanks.
Sep 28 22:55:03  dohtem: revealTop() ?
Sep 28 22:55:36  this.controller.getSceneScroller.revealTop(0) might work
Sep 28 22:56:01  err, this.controller.getSceneScroller().revealTop(0)
Sep 28 22:58:27  Tibfib: I like the icon
Sep 28 23:00:53  did you do it yourself?
Sep 28 23:02:35 * KGF2009 tries to come up with another, simpler idea for an app.
Sep 28 23:05:42  my... my teacher just called regex easy to program with
Sep 28 23:06:00  That all depends on the language.
Sep 28 23:06:32  its related to lexical analyzers...
Sep 28 23:39:54  rwhitby: ah, I never did investigate all the cool things busybox does
Sep 28 23:42:45  haeffb, Tibfib: revealTop() is right - http://developer.palm.com/blog/2010/07/handling-multiple-lists-and-a-command-menu-tips-from-the-facebook-app/
Sep 28 23:44:49  this.controller.sceneScroller.mojo.revealTop(); was all I had to add
Sep 28 23:52:10  palm.regsvc.com/palmdevday - NYC Dev Day
Sep 28 23:57:51  how goes it folks?
Sep 28 23:58:13  it goes
Sep 28 23:58:19  and it goes
Sep 28 23:58:22  and it goes
Sep 28 23:58:26  perpetual motion, eh?
Sep 28 23:58:28  but nobody really knows how it goes
Sep 28 23:58:57  I've spent so much time lately being ineffective with my time that it's really easy to start being effective with my time
Sep 28 23:59:02  ya know what I am saying?
Sep 28 23:59:34  anyways, gonna give a presentation to the people who I used to work with, possible topics are node.js + sproutcore, or node.js + webos
Sep 28 23:59:38  can't decide which to go with
Sep 29 00:00:15  hello folks,
Sep 29 00:00:15  hello folks,!
Sep 29 00:00:29  been away allday feeding the cows and goats
Sep 29 00:00:37  and the children
Sep 29 00:00:46  all the food is poison!
Sep 29 00:02:29  yeah, it is made of mud and straw
Sep 29 00:02:36  and poop
Sep 29 00:04:03  Where are the webOS printers?!
Sep 29 00:05:01  no where right now, they're not selling them yet
Sep 29 00:05:11  with the new Pre 3 Turbo
Sep 29 00:13:13  alexfner: node.js + webos :)
Sep 29 00:13:24  not sure
Sep 29 00:13:28  there won't really be much to show them
Sep 29 00:13:32  to relate the two
Sep 29 00:13:36  whereas with sproutcore
Sep 29 00:13:39  I could do some crazy stuff
Sep 29 00:14:14  plus you could be breaking NDA
Sep 29 00:14:18  with webos
Sep 29 00:22:40  I wouldn't be breaking NDA
Sep 29 00:23:00  I was thinking today, if I got an internship at any part of apple, I would have to stop developing for webOS, wouldn't I?
Sep 29 00:23:08  ...err be a member of the early access program
Sep 29 00:23:17  and not to mention any competitor to palm
Sep 29 00:24:52  alexfner: good question
Sep 29 00:25:08  yeah on that note chuq leaves :D
Sep 29 00:25:38  I mean my company (sencha) sells a product that competes with the gui stuff in mojo, but I don't think it's a conflict of interest to be in the beta program
Sep 29 00:26:22  I guess apple would be a little different though
Sep 29 00:26:52  I would epicly use ext designer if it didn't cost an arm and a leg
Sep 29 00:27:01  yeah, basically anywhere I am looking to go is in direct competition with palm
Sep 29 00:27:29  creationix: how easy is it to upgrade node installs?
Sep 29 00:27:59  alexfner: depends on how you installed it
Sep 29 00:28:03  and how old your code is
Sep 29 00:28:08  always install from source
Sep 29 00:28:11  APIs used to change a log
Sep 29 00:28:12  *lot
Sep 29 00:28:16  I am not worried about keeping any of my code
Sep 29 00:28:20  just install from source again
Sep 29 00:28:24  just need to get on to the latest install
Sep 29 00:28:29  if you keep the same code folder, make sure to distclean
Sep 29 00:28:35  or at least clean
Sep 29 00:28:41  clean eh?
Sep 29 00:28:49  git pull origin master --tags
Sep 29 00:28:53  make distclean
Sep 29 00:28:55  ./configure
Sep 29 00:28:56  make
Sep 29 00:30:00  many thanks
Sep 29 00:30:24  gonna throw together a nodejs + sproutcore demo for a little presentation I am giving for the people who manage the engineering website
Sep 29 00:30:39  little = half hour :D
Sep 29 00:30:48  don't know when it will be, hopefully within the next month
Sep 29 00:30:56  but I don't have much spare time, so getting started now :)
Sep 29 00:43:02  alexfner: good luck
Sep 29 00:43:11  many thanks :D
Sep 29 00:44:04  where does the code that manages stages go? stage-assistant.js ?
Sep 29 01:20:41  summatusmentis: stage-assistant.js manages one stage
Sep 29 01:20:52  app-assistant.js is needed to manage multiple stages
Sep 29 01:21:40  Is there a way to reset your pre without the palm account thing restoring everything? I want to get rid of all my apps and such but not lose my apps 'paid for' status in the catalog.
Sep 29 01:21:59  you never lose your paid for status
Sep 29 01:22:32  I know.
Sep 29 01:22:44  I said that in case anyone suggested a new palm account. XP
Sep 29 01:23:25  Ah, nevermind.
Sep 29 01:27:36 * KGF2009 thinks adding new pages to the launcher should be default.
Sep 29 01:29:12  How do I run a .jar in ubuntu?
Sep 29 01:39:23  KGF2009: you need to have java installed on your linux system
Sep 29 01:40:07  you know what palm should have? a way to minimize apps
Sep 29 01:47:00  the pre makes a good wifi device
Sep 29 01:51:41  what do you mean, a way to minimize apps?
Sep 29 01:54:27  minimize so I don't see the card.
Sep 29 01:54:56  have one of those little icons in the notification bar or something
Sep 29 01:56:05  swipe down to minimize
Sep 29 02:08:03  holy 'not gonna go to dev day' batman!
Sep 29 02:08:17  $359 per night for Hampton Inn
Sep 29 02:10:07  ouch
Sep 29 02:10:18  couch surf!
Sep 29 02:10:20  stay in the financial district
Sep 29 02:11:18  not including tax
Sep 29 02:11:44  maybe I can borrow a doorway
Sep 29 02:12:00  haeffb: what really hotel in NYC?
Sep 29 02:12:09  f-ck
Sep 29 02:12:17  https://secure1.regsvc.com/registration/regPage.aspx?visit=b9c3020c-ed92-4d9c-a5ab-1be86e347682&db=9a3c79fd-7baa-4866-bfbd-e1385aa7935c&servertype=5&Loc=en-US&pageID=539
Sep 29 02:13:01  where is dev days anyways is it a hotel?
Sep 29 02:13:29  cabs are cheap in NYC
Sep 29 02:14:06  haeffb:  the link is expired
Sep 29 02:14:51  http://palm.regsvc.com/palmdevday
Sep 29 02:16:47  found a place i have stayed at for $235 a night
Sep 29 02:20:14  only 1.9 miles from 82 Mercer like 10.00 cab ride
Sep 29 02:22:01  haeffb: how much is tops u want to spend a night?
Sep 29 02:22:28  $17
Sep 29 02:22:42  might be a low-budget doorway
Sep 29 02:22:56  nice, i was thinking $12.99 + Free breakfast
Sep 29 02:23:01  haeffb: couchsurf.org
Sep 29 02:23:27  haeffb: is $235 a night to steep?
Sep 29 02:23:33  for you?
Sep 29 02:24:14  maybe not.
Sep 29 02:26:35  how much will it be to register?
Sep 29 02:27:52  $25 for the last one
Sep 29 02:28:18  it was worth it purely for the glass
Sep 29 02:28:54  heh
Sep 29 02:29:03  and the Pre
Sep 29 02:30:03 * haeffb might wait for the KC dev day
Sep 29 02:30:08  or Austin
Sep 29 02:30:27  shoulda went to the first one. dammit
Sep 29 02:30:29  I would go to the austin, I have an uncle near there
Sep 29 02:30:32  You should have
Sep 29 02:32:43  no kidding. I should have.
Sep 29 02:34:30  oh, look. it's Newt Witter.
Sep 29 02:35:02  crazy, does HP not have a corporate code for the Devs to use for cheaper hotel rooms?
Sep 29 02:35:46  of course not
Sep 29 02:35:59  that sucks
Sep 29 02:36:04  there were deals for hotels for the last dev day
Sep 29 02:36:26  i am getting raped with southwest in the next few days
Sep 29 02:36:28  but then again, I went directly to the hotel's site and saved $20/day
Sep 29 02:36:48  $468 for a one way ticket
Sep 29 02:37:17  nite owls.
Sep 29 02:37:23  99 a day at marriot at dev days
Sep 29 02:37:42  Not the cheapest, but really nice for th emoney
Sep 29 02:37:48  maybe Roy-Pre101 will get me a new device at dev days...
Sep 29 02:38:09  Oh! Oh! get me one to!
Sep 29 02:38:41  Maybe.
Sep 29 02:38:50  Roy-Pre101: where was I supposed to write that article again?
Sep 29 02:38:54  haeffb: what did u use to look for hotels?
Sep 29 02:39:11  just the list on the dev days site
Sep 29 02:39:26  woo! got a "maybe"!
Sep 29 02:40:02  http://www.webos101.com
Sep 29 02:40:11  can I control the height of my submenu?
Sep 29 02:40:13 * haeffb trying to suck up
Sep 29 02:40:25  or chose how many items are visible at any one time?
Sep 29 02:40:29  dohtem: yeah. don't put so much stuff in it
Sep 29 02:40:41  :(
Sep 29 02:40:52  and/or change the css styles being applied
Sep 29 02:40:55  Mercer $695 a night
Sep 29 02:41:01  I think I broke my terminal window.
Sep 29 02:41:10  throwing rocks again?
Sep 29 02:41:34  noradtux_, I did 'cat /dev/urandom' for fun, and now my terminal is displayed in a wingdings-esque font.
Sep 29 02:42:21  Wait, when did I tab-complete that name?
Sep 29 02:42:29  O-o
Sep 29 02:42:40  lol
Sep 29 02:42:57 * KGF2009 must be going crazy.
Sep 29 02:43:59  But yeah, this is my current terminal line: ┐␊⎽▒@┐␊⎽▒-␍␊⎽┐├⎺⎻:·$
Sep 29 02:44:25  question all
Sep 29 02:44:36  Shoot.
Sep 29 02:44:36  i installed sdk and virtualbox on windows 7
Sep 29 02:44:45  i try to run it and nothing happens
Sep 29 02:45:03  check your path variable
Sep 29 02:45:09  alexfner: webos101.com, if you didn't see it.
Sep 29 02:45:23  Unable to access jarfile C:\Program Files (x86)\Palm\SDK\bin\\..\share\jars\webo
Sep 29 02:45:23  s-emulator.jar
Sep 29 02:45:28  how do i fix ?
Sep 29 02:45:28  Roy-Pre101: A few questions, I'm on webos101.com, I'm going to make an A-Z PDK tutorial covering OpenGL ES 1.1
Sep 29 02:45:36  how do you want this structured?
Sep 29 02:45:59  KGF2009 do i go to variables in my env by right clicking on computer
Sep 29 02:46:01  envinorment
Sep 29 02:46:03  or something ?
Sep 29 02:46:44 * KGF2009 blinks.
Sep 29 02:46:48  Why ask me? D:
Sep 29 02:46:54  or anyone ?
Sep 29 02:46:58  just would like to run it
Sep 29 02:47:04  thinking of getting a palm in january
Sep 29 02:47:36  anyone else ?
Sep 29 02:47:38  PDK -> PDK A-Z -> Tut1 ?
Sep 29 02:48:01  alexfner: just do it and ask questions later
Sep 29 02:48:22  macman_: do you have java installed?
Sep 29 02:48:32  yews
Sep 29 02:48:34  yes*
Sep 29 02:48:47  1.6 or something
Sep 29 02:48:53  is the webos-emulator.jar in that folder?
Sep 29 02:49:01  dunno
Sep 29 02:49:05  C:\Program Files (x86)\Palm\SDK\bin\\..\share\jars\
Sep 29 02:49:25  you might need to just find where it is and edit the .bat file
Sep 29 02:49:41   i guess if I can get a cheap flight to NYC and back to SD or LAX, will figure out the hotel when i get there.
Sep 29 02:49:44  C:\Program Files (x86)\Palm\SDK\share\jars
Sep 29 02:49:49  haeffb its there i think
Sep 29 02:49:55  web-osemulator64
Sep 29 02:50:33  but that's not the file the .bat is looking for...
Sep 29 02:50:55  Unable to access jarfile C:\Program Files (x86)\Palm\SDK\bin\\..\share\jars\webo
Sep 29 02:50:55  s-emulator.jar
Sep 29 02:50:59  but i can edit it right
Sep 29 02:51:06  I'd give that a shot
Sep 29 02:51:16  edit the .bat to point to the right file
Sep 29 02:52:15  trying to find how to create an article...
Sep 29 02:52:40  edit an existing one and add the article title to create a link to the new page
Sep 29 02:53:50  "Columbia Police Department is reporting a burglary in progress at Goodwill, 1405 Grindstone Parkway."
Sep 29 02:53:58  who would rob a Goodwill store?
Sep 29 02:54:07  lol?
Sep 29 02:54:12  I've got checkbox widgets in a list... how do I loop through them to get their value/checked state?
Sep 29 02:54:39  aeidataworks: you have the check value in the listModel.items array ?
Sep 29 02:55:09  haeffb says i can't load 32 bit libraries on 64 bit
Sep 29 02:55:11  hmm... so the checkboxes become items in the listModel?...
Sep 29 02:55:19  or, how did you set up the list with checkboxes?
Sep 29 02:55:23  Exception in thread "main" java.lang.UnsatisfiedLinkError: Cannot load 64-bit SW
Sep 29 02:55:23  T libraries on 32-bit JVM
Sep 29 02:55:29  do i dowlnoad 64bit java ?
Sep 29 02:55:37  are you on 64-bit windows?
Sep 29 02:55:44  yes
Sep 29 02:55:48  windows 7
Sep 29 02:55:52  dude, use 32 bit everything
Sep 29 02:56:15  I have always had trouble with the x64 version of the sdk
Sep 29 02:56:44  http://www.webos101.com
Sep 29 02:57:50  aeidataworks: http://www.webos101.com/List_Widget_With_Checkbox_Example
Sep 29 02:58:26  sweet!  thanks
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