**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Oct 04 02:59:57 2010 Oct 04 05:59:01 whee, paid app submitted...it's been almost a year since I submitted my last paid app Oct 04 06:37:42 my screen on my pre keeps waking itself Oct 04 06:37:45 even after a restart Oct 04 06:37:48 this is very odd Oct 04 11:20:44 afternoon Oct 04 11:21:10 Hey swisstomcat Oct 04 11:21:22 hey hotdp Oct 04 11:21:36 what is the job situationen ? Oct 04 11:22:51 got some offers Oct 04 11:23:07 sending out CV's Oct 04 11:23:08 But not a "dream job" ? Or it might be? Oct 04 11:23:18 too early to tell Oct 04 11:23:21 roge Oct 04 11:23:27 maybe palm will call too :) Oct 04 11:23:45 i hope so :) Oct 04 13:09:16 haeffb_pre: !! Oct 04 13:12:11 well, well. what is new this morning? Oct 04 13:15:29 eyote Oct 04 13:15:40 o Oct 04 13:17:12 p Oct 04 13:20:21 l Oct 04 13:23:22 rainy monday. nothing special here Oct 04 13:27:21 hll Oct 04 13:27:47 hello Oct 04 13:38:36 hi warpdesign__ Oct 04 15:30:26 hello friends Oct 04 15:30:42 does the webOS browser have any support for app icons, similar to iOS, for sites? Oct 04 15:30:50 the docs seem to say no Oct 04 15:31:31 * oilsworkn has never seen a favicon in webos Oct 04 15:31:41 * halfhalo thinks oil is a favicon Oct 04 15:31:45 possibly Oct 04 15:32:04 that's some magic web stuff I know nothing about Oct 04 15:38:45 sugardave: new app? Oct 04 15:48:49 haeffb_pre: yeah, I submitted the scanner app last night....Bmyers tipped me to another competitor, so I had to get it out there Oct 04 15:49:04 mine has a "differentiaitng" feature, though...hopefully it will cut down on bad reviews Oct 04 15:49:17 cool Oct 04 15:49:39 * haeffb_pre waiting for review of Done 0.5.0 Oct 04 15:49:53 I still need to add a favorites feature and the "popular streams" search filter Oct 04 15:50:15 what's new in Done 0.5.0? Oct 04 15:50:31 subtasks Oct 04 15:50:34 tags Oct 04 15:50:40 ah, cool Oct 04 15:50:48 lots fo cosmetic stuff Oct 04 15:51:19 hi ho Oct 04 15:51:37 I still have the "group panel as popup panel" system in place....eventually I will probably make a real custom dialog for at least the player Oct 04 15:54:15 he hu teemu Oct 04 15:54:49 sugardave: use a dashboard? Oct 04 15:55:20 * oilsworkn is making a new app purely because he wants to use it :) Oct 04 15:55:38 * halfhalo thinks oil should make a redmine app Oct 04 15:55:44 I never have used a dashboard...I was thinking about it, but not sure what I would do with it in the scanner Oct 04 15:55:56 hmmm...do I want to use it too? Oct 04 15:55:57 does redmine have api/etc? Oct 04 15:56:02 Yup Oct 04 15:56:13 REST api for issues/projects Oct 04 15:56:26 dashboard like pandora or music app Oct 04 15:56:33 * oilsworkn is making simple darts scoreboard app Oct 04 15:56:37 http://www.redmine.org/wiki/1/Rest_api Oct 04 15:57:24 due to always having trouble at a friends house with finding something to take score on Oct 04 15:57:33 yesterday, we used a pizza-box Oct 04 15:59:12 * oilsworkn looks at redmine api Oct 04 15:59:42 Only issue with redmine api is the fact that the xml one is the most complete right now Oct 04 16:00:16 the question is Oct 04 16:00:23 do i really want to deal with tickets on the go? Oct 04 16:00:30 and i think the answer to that is, no Oct 04 16:00:34 lol Oct 04 16:01:10 Theres two reasons you do... charge .99 for the app and tie it into other apps so that people can easily submit bug reports Oct 04 16:01:24 Less work in the long run! Oct 04 16:01:26 lol Oct 04 16:01:43 isnt that just building more work by making it easier to get crappy bug reports? Oct 04 16:01:44 "World, my finger is on the button." Oct 04 16:01:54 i mean, 99% of the emails i get for current apps are "asdfhalksjdfhlaksfh" Oct 04 16:01:56 wait Oct 04 16:02:01 "asdfjklashdflkasgf -- sent from my palm pre" Oct 04 16:02:06 haha Oct 04 16:02:26 i got a video of someones kid emailed to me once Oct 04 16:02:35 I never get emails Oct 04 16:02:57 All my emails are usually from forums Oct 04 16:03:05 "why is my yule log not actually warming me up?" Oct 04 16:03:31 not running long enough Oct 04 16:03:38 lol Oct 04 16:05:22 haeffb_pre: so, looking at Pandora's dashboard....I could do something like that, but it would just be a player control system, maybe with the add-to-favorites feature that can be there, too....this means multi-stage app, huh? Oct 04 16:05:38 yep Oct 04 16:05:50 multistage FTW Oct 04 16:05:53 hmmm, I'll think about it :D Oct 04 16:05:54 it's time for you to take the next step Oct 04 16:05:56 however Oct 04 16:05:58 haha Oct 04 16:06:04 pandora dashboard = ALWAYS IN THE WAY Oct 04 16:06:37 but my single-stage apps work so well :P Oct 04 16:07:01 the rest api isn't even enabled on webosinternals redmine thinger Oct 04 16:07:09 way to give me a horrible unusable idea Oct 04 16:07:17 lol Oct 04 16:07:30 apparently i dont have the power to turn it on or anything either Oct 04 16:07:41 get your $ back Oct 04 16:07:44 you need that sword Oct 04 16:08:01 and then you say "I have the POWEEERRRRR!" Oct 04 16:08:10 hey chuq Oct 04 16:08:40 hey hey Oct 04 16:10:42 [09:10] ok, maybe its NOT working... Oct 04 16:10:43 chuqui: answer my email and approve my app....go! Oct 04 16:10:44 HAH Oct 04 16:10:59 phhht. Oct 04 16:11:05 :D Oct 04 16:11:09 chuqui: still waiting re: Agenda Oct 04 16:11:15 ...go! Oct 04 16:11:55 and still waitinf for a new phone Oct 04 16:12:06 I'm trying to get a dev one Oct 04 16:12:15 but I'm still waiting for a new new phone, too Oct 04 16:12:22 and for a keyboard that doesn't misspell words Oct 04 16:12:31 it's Oct. 4, tomorrow is my birthday...will something good happen? Oct 04 16:12:42 yes! Oct 04 16:12:50 * oilsworkn will buy you a beer Oct 04 16:12:59 oh, wait. To you? Oct 04 16:13:11 oilsworkn: did you get the "send me a beer" app done yet? "D Oct 04 16:13:21 we got a fax machine here Oct 04 16:13:25 haha Oct 04 16:13:37 the phone requests are all boing to the business team, they're going rhrough them and working to get back to and qualify devs. Oct 04 16:13:41 ill fax you $2 and then destroy the local copy Oct 04 16:14:39 chuqui: damn, I personalized my email to you Oct 04 16:14:59 hey, a wircer Oct 04 16:15:12 oilsworkn: you got that on a trigger or something? :D Oct 04 16:15:21 no, i just notice it Oct 04 16:15:31 that won't hurt. Oct 04 16:15:32 NOT LAZY ENOUGH Oct 04 16:16:03 actually, setting it up is more work i think Oct 04 16:16:21 not to mention, i dont think webchat lets you define a custom list Oct 04 16:16:26 ah Oct 04 16:16:30 not that ive ever tried Oct 04 16:17:19 you could use tinyfugue, but that's a bit ov overkill for IRC, I think Oct 04 16:27:57 hallo Oct 04 16:28:07 hi Oct 04 16:29:57 how goes it Oct 04 16:30:20 not bad Oct 04 16:32:31 word Oct 04 17:16:02 hey guys Oct 04 17:26:47 hi Oct 04 17:32:47 Anyone around? Oct 04 17:33:14 no Oct 04 17:33:17 shh Oct 04 17:33:25 Ok. :3 Oct 04 17:34:27 lol Oct 04 17:34:58 Well, if anyone is here. I got some irc information here the other day and would love some assitance for the noob. So feel free to PM me to keep quiet for oils. :D Oct 04 17:35:27 * oilsworkn was kidding Oct 04 17:35:35 throw out your questions Oct 04 17:35:40 Yeah but I see youre in the other channel. Oct 04 17:36:38 ah, the... other.. channel Oct 04 17:36:43 irc. wirc. Oct 04 17:51:45 the other Oct 04 17:51:53 yeah Oct 04 17:51:59 wirc on pixi Oct 04 17:52:08 not so great :/ Oct 04 17:52:09 mmm Oct 04 17:53:06 :3 Will find out. Thanks a ton for your help already though. Oct 04 17:53:32 well, its a really old version Oct 04 17:53:34 you're quite welcome! Oct 04 17:54:03 and by really old, i mean, 4 months Oct 04 17:54:27 lol Oct 04 17:54:38 in internet time thats like half a decade though Oct 04 17:54:42 Ys Oct 04 17:54:51 lol Oct 04 18:00:11 hi Oct 04 18:00:11 * haeffb_pre watching some TED talks Oct 04 18:00:33 does anyone here know what happens to scene processing when the screen locks Oct 04 18:00:53 if i have a function running with setInterval does it still work when the screen locks Oct 04 18:01:05 i believe so Oct 04 18:01:13 currently i'm having a problem getting setTimeout to work when the screen locks Oct 04 18:01:20 it appears that all processing stops Oct 04 18:02:19 i ask because i have a long running process that updates a progress bar Oct 04 18:02:29 and when the screen locks the progress bar stops updating Oct 04 18:02:47 the updating is handled with a recursive setTimeout call Oct 04 18:02:50 any ideas? Oct 04 18:03:58 not really :/ Oct 04 18:05:03 application restarts and scene activation are not a problem because in those instances i know which functions get activated and i handle the update in those functions Oct 04 18:05:13 but there is no event for screen lock and unlock Oct 04 18:05:50 oils, where do i go.. or where did you find the installation thing for wirc? Oct 04 18:06:37 hm? Oct 04 18:07:14 as in i tried to find the ipk for it, but i couldnt Oct 04 18:07:38 i went to http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/armv6/ Oct 04 18:07:48 and found the ipk in the list Oct 04 18:07:58 right. bleh. alright, thanks Oct 04 18:09:14 idk whats up with the feeds Oct 04 18:09:43 lol Oct 04 18:10:52 Ok. Whats something awesome I should do with my phone? Oct 04 18:11:10 make a call? Oct 04 18:11:18 :( Oct 04 18:11:32 lol Oct 04 18:21:52 making calls is lame Oct 04 18:21:54 voice is dead! Oct 04 18:22:22 how about text a girl you really like and then find out that someone who interacted with her in person swooped her up Oct 04 18:22:58 paint a picture Oct 04 18:23:17 @chuqui, is pdk competition finished? Oct 04 18:24:18 Nyceane: yup Oct 04 18:26:12 torchie: sounds like a sore subject Oct 04 18:26:32 my butt still hurts Oct 04 18:26:44 oh Oct 04 18:27:15 hi Oct 04 18:27:27 hi Oct 04 19:16:46 VPBree: Compile RoM 2b4 on your Pre and do some old-school text adventuring Oct 04 19:20:02 somebody should have told dparakete to keep the screen from locking Oct 04 19:24:32 tel net it up Oct 04 19:24:37 shoot that's what I wanted to do! Oct 04 19:25:03 telnet from my phone to play MUDs on the go Oct 04 19:25:07 how's that for portable gaming Oct 04 19:25:57 torchie: heh, I was thinking of writing a MUD client but I'm not sure the two of us constitute a market. Oct 04 19:26:17 (not to mention I don't actually play any MUDs right now...) Oct 04 19:26:47 I was thinking more about some kind of distributed MUD spread out across a bunch of phones...everybody's phone could be an area, the users can make the MOBs, etc. Oct 04 19:26:48 well Oct 04 19:26:54 we could just bring sexy back to MUDs Oct 04 19:27:03 and then make it a webOS exclusive MUD game Oct 04 19:52:33 looking for a voice over ip app for the palm pre...anyone know of one Oct 04 19:52:56 like google voice Oct 04 19:53:12 don't know that there are any Oct 04 19:53:19 how about....google voice? Oct 04 19:53:33 can u use that on the palm Oct 04 19:53:43 I don't know, did you try it? Oct 04 19:54:14 i searched the app catalog\ Oct 04 19:55:50 doesn't work Oct 04 19:56:00 oh well Oct 04 19:56:01 darn it Oct 04 19:56:20 ogtta love att and their horrible coverage Oct 04 19:56:21 I'd imagine we'll see some things in that arena after 2.0 isout Oct 04 19:57:45 a gmail app perhaps? Oct 04 19:57:57 i went to google.com/voice Oct 04 19:58:08 u need to register the phone number of the phone your using Oct 04 19:58:20 i don't have service on my pre Oct 04 19:58:39 i was hoping to make calls thru the number google voice gives u Oct 04 19:58:51 but it still initiates the call thru your cell phone service provider Oct 04 19:59:09 torchie: Don't tempt me (re: mud) Oct 04 20:01:48 http://www.precentral.net/palm-mansion-coming-800x480-no-physical-keyboard Oct 04 20:01:50 lol Oct 04 20:02:22 Roy-Pre101: I'd buy it Oct 04 20:02:27 I'd buy it nine times Oct 04 20:02:33 800x480? Oct 04 20:02:36 :/ Oct 04 20:03:53 no physical? :D Oct 04 20:04:29 whoolio: you're going to want to wait for the SIP client that one of the devs is working on...then make your own asterisk box and rule the world Oct 04 20:04:42 now if they could just cram 800x480 into a really tiny space for some o dat pixel density Oct 04 20:07:50 * sugardave still doesn't get the whole dpi vs. resolution thing. Oct 04 20:12:45 why not Oct 04 20:13:12 think of resolution as the # of pixels Oct 04 20:13:19 and dpi as the size of each pixel Oct 04 20:13:56 so, double the resolution AND double the DPI, and you have a screen that's the same size as before Oct 04 20:13:56 codeslaw: it's probably because I've shut my brain to anything dealing with graphics Oct 04 20:14:06 it'll happen Oct 04 20:14:41 hmmm, okay Oct 04 20:22:12 the faster we get to near-atomic level pixel density Oct 04 20:22:14 the better! Oct 04 20:24:25 whoa, pretty sweet - http://www.google.com/tv/index.html Oct 04 20:24:56 howdy folks Oct 04 20:25:14 howdy partner Oct 04 20:25:30 in san diego, now lousy weather =( Oct 04 20:25:41 overcast and sprinkling... Oct 04 20:26:20 dude, it's pretty much perfect and sunny like 300days/year there. quit yer whining :) Oct 04 20:29:35 yeah true that Oct 04 20:33:26 hmm Oct 04 20:33:43 so i got my dad an augmented reality iphone controlled rc helicopter that runs linux Oct 04 20:33:50 i want to hack it :) Oct 04 20:34:24 Wolvenhaven: that would be awesome, to hack it! Oct 04 20:34:32 i dont think steve will let you Oct 04 20:36:01 it's not an apple product Oct 04 20:36:02 man, it's astounding to me how much used pre's go for, given the age and build-quality issues Oct 04 20:36:15 it's just currently the API is only written for iphone Oct 04 20:36:17 Wolvenhaven: it was a joke Oct 04 20:36:26 the API is actually open source, i can't wait for a webos version Oct 04 20:36:47 google parrot AR drone Oct 04 20:36:54 summatusmentis: How are the prices looking? Oct 04 20:37:08 dohtem: on ebay? ~$100-$150 Oct 04 20:37:29 alright chat tommorrow, no coding till tommorrow Oct 04 20:37:31 laters Oct 04 20:37:35 hmm, I thought they'd be much lower Oct 04 20:37:38 later LoneStar99 Oct 04 20:37:39 dohtem: right? Oct 04 20:37:45 they're really not Oct 04 20:37:49 I want a pre :( Oct 04 20:38:16 * oilsworkn is shocked you still dont have one Oct 04 20:38:36 oilsworkn: I was on SERO Oct 04 20:38:38 rwhitbys got to have like 20 of em xD Oct 04 20:38:39 was/am Oct 04 20:40:03 well, rwhitby is like, not a college student and things Oct 04 20:40:16 lol, true Oct 04 20:41:03 another failed update of UberCalendar patch in the feeds... Oct 04 20:41:16 :/ Oct 04 20:41:32 aww Oct 04 20:41:36 2nd time in a row Oct 04 20:42:04 you know, the extent of my calendar usage is "what day does ## fall on?" Oct 04 20:42:09 Oh, Rod is already awake? Oct 04 20:42:24 idk, i can't keep track of his crazy timezone xD Oct 04 20:42:26 I use the calendar as shopping list Oct 04 20:45:34 oilsworkn: I've been staying on SERO instead of paying expensive prices for the ability to use WebOS Oct 04 20:45:37 UPDATE patches_spamcheck SET time = '1286225119' WHERE sid = '...' Oct 04 20:45:53 oilsworkn: but they changed it now, so I can get WebOS :) Oct 04 20:48:23 ah Oct 04 20:51:17 * oilsworkn has whatever the webos plan is Oct 04 20:58:00 everything data Oct 04 20:58:21 yeah Oct 04 20:58:23 everything webos Oct 04 20:58:27 :) Oct 04 20:58:44 we have that plan, it's nice Oct 04 20:59:47 its nice because i never have to worry about "going over" on anything Oct 04 21:01:00 * MetaView sings "Pass the blame and don't blame me" Oct 04 21:01:45 its ok, they'll blame me Oct 04 21:01:57 * halfhalo blames oil Oct 04 21:02:02 ok, I'm glad Oct 04 21:03:14 Is there a new phone coming anytime soon Oct 04 21:03:24 yes Oct 04 21:03:28 * Oct 04 21:03:30 no Oct 04 21:03:37 *soon defined in astronomical time Oct 04 21:03:53 soon is tomorrow Oct 04 21:04:14 it would totally kick ass if there was a new webOS phone tomorrow Oct 04 21:04:16 soon as in, some time before now and youre tragic death Oct 04 21:04:18 I would get it Oct 04 21:04:24 sugardave: btw, do you take bets if you reached the 20th place? Oct 04 21:04:39 ? Oct 04 21:05:07 if I got in the top 20, it would be a miracle...I don't have any PDK apps :P Oct 04 21:05:21 * oilsworkn would get new webos phone tomorrow if it was on sprint Oct 04 21:05:28 I always mix peoples... Oct 04 21:05:30 sry Oct 04 21:05:31 idk when my contract is up, so i can't jump ship Oct 04 21:05:34 Just saw something on precentral. Interesting Oct 04 21:05:41 MetaView: I think codeslaw was on the cusp Oct 04 21:05:46 No keyboard. Oct 04 21:05:57 My contract is up in june, and I'm debating jumping to a new carrier then Oct 04 21:05:58 rumors mean nothing Oct 04 21:06:02 i was cusped indeed Oct 04 21:06:03 oilsworkn: my contract is up in June...but I"m eligible for upgrade since this past June Oct 04 21:06:06 waiting.... Oct 04 21:06:06 all depends on the phone I guess Oct 04 21:06:13 sugardave: same Oct 04 21:06:37 * oilsworkn hopes its just like the pre with better innerds Oct 04 21:06:43 Sprint better not be dumb and not get a webOS phone before my contract ends Oct 04 21:06:58 * MetaView hopes it's just like the Pixi but with beter screen and stuff Oct 04 21:07:23 i dont think i could take myself seriously if i used a phone called the "pixi" Oct 04 21:07:25 i miss my keyboard <- soft keyboard evo Oct 04 21:07:28 I want a roll-up phone Oct 04 21:07:37 they could call it mixi Oct 04 21:07:38 oilsworkn: lol Oct 04 21:07:40 Mixer Oct 04 21:07:40 a global! Oct 04 21:08:04 though, none of you probably remember earth final conflict Oct 04 21:08:19 no Oct 04 21:08:21 Thats the crap one with travolta, right? Oct 04 21:08:23 never heard of it Oct 04 21:08:24 * oilsworkn hears googling Oct 04 21:08:26 lol Oct 04 21:08:33 no, no travolta Oct 04 21:08:38 * MetaView doesn't care Oct 04 21:08:39 ok, nvr mind Oct 04 21:08:43 no, that scientology crap was something else, battlefield earth I think Oct 04 21:08:52 that was a game? Oct 04 21:08:56 a movie Oct 04 21:08:57 * halfhalo saw the crap one with travolta in theaters and remembers a single scene only Oct 04 21:09:01 thankfully Oct 04 21:09:07 I hear it is THE worst movie of all time Oct 04 21:09:18 even worse than Plan 9 from Outer SPace Oct 04 21:09:37 it was a tv show Oct 04 21:09:52 http://pmimages.worthpoint.com/thumbnails2/1/0307/07/1_eaba1daffb8c5dcd1d4212c999d2e72b.jpg Oct 04 21:09:58 http://macbigot.com/media/Global300x200.jpg Oct 04 21:10:13 they should sue apple for facetime Oct 04 21:10:37 that would be a cool device Oct 04 21:11:00 but she doesn't look like she's holding one in her video Oct 04 21:11:08 they must have a desktop model, too Oct 04 21:11:12 lol Oct 04 21:16:02 just every time someone is all "rollable/foldable screen" on a phone, i think of that :) Oct 04 21:17:28 the answer to the question "did codeslaw just buy that trumpet on ebay?" is "yes". Oct 04 21:17:51 * sugardave used to play the cornet. Oct 04 21:18:03 nice Oct 04 21:18:15 Hi everyone! Oct 04 21:18:51 a trumpet? Oct 04 21:19:15 not just any trumpet Oct 04 21:19:36 a second run 1964 Conn 8B Oct 04 21:19:54 because that totally means something to me beyond "just a trumpet" Oct 04 21:19:56 lol Oct 04 21:20:19 of course they do Oct 04 21:21:07 my first app was finally published: Oct 04 21:21:07 http://www.precentral.net/app-gallery/app-catalog/weight-tracker Oct 04 21:21:38 thanks to everyone for helping me fix bugs Oct 04 21:22:04 you'll get my bill :) Oct 04 21:22:48 oilsworkn: thank for the help :) Oct 04 21:22:52 *thanks Oct 04 21:22:53 lol Oct 04 21:22:58 idk if i helped any Oct 04 21:24:54 is it possible to generate promo codes or something similar? Oct 04 21:24:56 i'd love some testers Oct 04 21:25:48 * mbarvian doesn't actually have a pre or pixi Oct 04 21:25:51 not that i know of Oct 04 21:25:56 just email the ipk Oct 04 21:26:04 oilsworkn: would you be interested in testing? Oct 04 21:26:51 tracking my weight? Oct 04 21:26:58 do i need to know what that corndog just added? Oct 04 21:27:00 oilsworkn: just testing the app ;P Oct 04 21:28:14 sure, send me a copy, ill test it Oct 04 21:28:17 brandonvb@gmail.com Oct 04 21:28:21 oilsworkn: thanks a lot man Oct 04 21:28:28 oilsworkn: it won't take long, i swear Oct 04 21:29:05 oilsworkn: e-mail sent Oct 04 21:31:27 the piece at the top is fancyt Oct 04 21:31:39 lol Oct 04 21:31:48 statistics rows are "tapable" but do nothing? Oct 04 21:33:19 when you go to prefs or goals and return to the main scene, the top thing does its transition thing, but it doesnt need to Oct 04 21:34:05 oilsworkn: thanks for the feedback Oct 04 21:34:11 it says "view goals" Oct 04 21:34:18 but i only see the ability to create one goal Oct 04 21:34:27 oilsworkn: should it be: view goal? Oct 04 21:34:38 and no ability to clear the current one without simply changing it to something else Oct 04 21:34:51 oilworkn: would you like that ability? :) Oct 04 21:34:55 and the rows in goals is tappable, but not functional Oct 04 21:35:01 im just pointing things out :) Oct 04 21:35:12 oilsworkn: no I DEFINITELY appreciate some feedback Oct 04 21:35:22 i dont think im your target market Oct 04 21:35:26 :) Oct 04 21:35:35 oilsworkn: thats fine by me Oct 04 21:35:43 it certainly looks nice though Oct 04 21:35:47 oilsworkn: thanks :) Oct 04 21:35:55 oilsworkn: I'll definitely take into consideration everything you listed Oct 04 21:36:02 yet still keeps the webos "feel" Oct 04 21:36:31 oilsworkn: that's what I was aiming for Oct 04 21:36:35 oilsworkn: glad you noticed ;) Oct 04 21:37:20 appmenu>view goals keeps pushing the same scene Oct 04 21:37:25 stacks them up if you keep hitting it :) Oct 04 21:37:33 oilsworkn: ah, I see Oct 04 21:37:44 oilsworkn: I'll fix that :) Oct 04 21:38:10 wow Oct 04 21:38:20 they let you in the catalog without useless edit menu in your main scene? Oct 04 21:38:26 * oilsworkn curses those who have reviewed his apps Oct 04 21:38:37 oilsworkn: lol I didn't know you needed it? Oct 04 21:38:45 my app got rejected for it Oct 04 21:38:57 even though there was nothing to copy from or paste into Oct 04 21:38:58 oilsworkn: no way?! I'll add it back. Even though it does nothing Oct 04 21:39:08 well, you're already in the catalog Oct 04 21:39:11 dont change it now :) Oct 04 21:39:20 oilsworkn: yeah but don't updates have to be approved as well? Oct 04 21:39:20 though, next time you update it, they might be all "HEY YOU NEED THIS!" Oct 04 21:39:41 btw, about the update process: do cookies and databases get deleted? or do they stay? Oct 04 21:39:41 my only other thought Oct 04 21:39:45 is that about and help are the same thing Oct 04 21:40:00 i would keep help scene, and drop the about dialog Oct 04 21:40:06 oilsworkn: good idea Oct 04 21:40:15 oilsworkn: thanks for the feedback, keep it coming Oct 04 21:40:15 and thats all i got :) Oct 04 21:40:25 on update, cookies and the db stay around Oct 04 21:40:57 actually Oct 04 21:41:03 if you click lose or gain Oct 04 21:41:10 there is no way to "cancel" Oct 04 21:41:17 beyond a 0 change Oct 04 21:41:26 idk if anyone would run into that Oct 04 21:41:28 oilsworkn: yeah, I thought 0 change would be alright Oct 04 21:41:38 just listen to the back gesture Oct 04 21:41:46 oilsworkn: how can you do that? Oct 04 21:41:51 and if you're in the gain/loss "State" run the undo code Oct 04 21:42:07 oilsworkn: link to listen to back gesture? :) Oct 04 21:42:17 * oilsworkn is looking at repo Oct 04 21:42:30 nvm found it Oct 04 21:42:47 http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/preware.git;a=blob;f=app/assistants/pkg-install-assistant.js;h=a3a987fd73bce44adf0eb1cb1c71a4c486454ee7;hb=HEAD#l186 Oct 04 21:42:54 if(event.type == Mojo.Event.back) Oct 04 21:43:28 === Oct 04 21:43:35 DAMMIT Oct 04 21:43:37 whatever Oct 04 21:43:44 at least its not one = Oct 04 21:43:47 heh Oct 04 21:44:06 i dont care about the type comparison Oct 04 21:44:13 just if the values match Oct 04 21:44:16 oilsworkn: what about just pressing outside the rectangle? Oct 04 21:44:18 Douglas Crockford wants you to care Oct 04 21:44:19 and since they're both probably strings? Oct 04 21:44:29 oilsworkn: on the scrim? Oct 04 21:44:35 mbarvian: i tried that first, but it didn't work either :) Oct 04 21:44:47 that would probably work good Oct 04 21:44:48 oilsworkn: no, like, do you think I should do that or implement the back gesture? :) Oct 04 21:44:55 both? Oct 04 21:44:55 xD Oct 04 21:45:01 also Oct 04 21:45:02 oilsworkn: fine by me :) Oct 04 21:45:12 you may want to do a swap instead of a push from your initial "whats your weight" scene Oct 04 21:45:13 sooo google tv is pretty cool Oct 04 21:45:25 i back-gestured back to that scene Oct 04 21:45:30 after choosing Oct 04 21:45:32 oilsworkn: i had no idea there was such a thing as swap Oct 04 21:45:37 is it just swapScene? Oct 04 21:45:38 yeah Oct 04 21:45:41 god Oct 04 21:45:44 i think so Oct 04 21:45:44 that would've been helpful Oct 04 21:45:54 lol Oct 04 21:49:44 oilsworkn: is there a way to override the default prefsItem and helpItem? Oct 04 21:50:07 * oilsworkn never uses default Oct 04 21:50:49 this.controller.setupWidget(Mojo.Menu.appMenu, { omitDefaultItems: true }, this.menuModel); Oct 04 21:50:50 mbarvian: http://webos101.com/AppMenu_Example Oct 04 21:51:05 I noticed some talk earlier on the Precentral forums about the keyboard having built in "fat finger" prevention stuff-Anyone know if this is something the Pixi doesn't have? :p Oct 04 21:51:05 and i put help and prefs in my menumodel and handlecommand it myself Oct 04 21:51:22 SineOt: cause girls dont have fat fingers? Oct 04 21:51:25 mbarvian: there's not a way to overwrite the "default" app menu Oct 04 21:51:27 lol Oct 04 21:51:28 oilsworkn: what's the alternative? Oct 04 21:51:42 alternative to what? Oct 04 21:51:42 oilsworkn: lol Oct 04 21:51:45 idk what you're asking Oct 04 21:51:48 lol @ oilsworkn Oct 04 21:52:06 Tibfib: sure there is Oct 04 21:52:13 omit all the items Oct 04 21:52:17 errr. Oct 04 21:52:18 it's "overwritten" Oct 04 21:52:20 I misphrased Oct 04 21:52:23 i take that back, i ran into a "sunnyD and rum" song yesterday Oct 04 21:52:31 google at your own risk Oct 04 21:52:37 There is no good way to overwrite and set your own "default" items Oct 04 21:52:45 truth Oct 04 21:53:06 just omit the defaults Oct 04 21:53:09 and roll your own Oct 04 21:54:00 mbarvian: http://webos101.com/AppMenu_Example Oct 04 21:54:09 sugardave with his wiki links Oct 04 21:54:11 that's "roll your own" Oct 04 21:54:31 oilsworkn: i just changed the handlecommands for prefsItem and helpItem and that seemed to work fine Oct 04 21:54:46 ok? xD Oct 04 21:55:08 * oilsworkn has never done it like the wiki Oct 04 21:55:09 lol Oct 04 21:55:23 * oilsworkn just goes with what works Oct 04 21:55:27 never whats "correct" Oct 04 21:55:33 though, sometimes they're the same Oct 04 21:55:41 but purely on accident Oct 04 21:55:55 oilsworkn: is there a way that I can show my icon on the default support scene? :) Oct 04 21:56:09 the generated one? Oct 04 21:56:28 ive never used the generated one, and can't offer any help Oct 04 21:56:35 oilsworkn: alright Oct 04 21:56:38 but its probably just some css you could plug in to change it Oct 04 21:58:21 * oilsworkn is going to add "DO IT LIKE OIL" sections to all these wiki pages Oct 04 21:58:22 haha Oct 04 21:58:35 or not, im far too lazy to document anything Oct 04 21:58:40 DO IT DO IT DO IT Oct 04 21:58:42 awwww Oct 04 21:58:48 lol Oct 04 21:58:51 nvm figured it out Oct 04 21:59:07 just had to change the smallicon in the appinfo.json Oct 04 21:59:42 halfhalo: feel free to copy/paste snippits of my code from the repo into there though :) Oct 04 21:59:53 bah, effort Oct 04 22:00:00 see Oct 04 22:00:11 I'll pay someone to do it instead! Oct 04 22:00:39 a sound plan? Oct 04 22:00:44 yup Oct 04 22:00:45 step 1: blame oil Oct 04 22:00:47 step 2: ??? Oct 04 22:00:51 stem 3: proffit! Oct 04 22:00:51 ? Oct 04 22:00:55 yup! Oct 04 22:04:43 @chuqui, why is the palmhotapps still showing negative date? Oct 04 22:04:49 lol Oct 04 22:05:10 * oilsworkn sees "PDK Hot Apps Has Finished!" Oct 04 22:05:14 ny it's not on mine... Oct 04 22:06:06 f5? Oct 04 22:07:51 oilsworkn: i've implented all the functionality you suggested :) Oct 04 22:08:07 lol Oct 04 22:13:05 oilsworkn: I defined the list in html, so I could easily change the values Oct 04 22:13:18 oilsworkn: is there a way to keep the html values while making the items draggable? Oct 04 22:13:30 hm? Oct 04 22:13:37 oilsworkn: let me show you Oct 04 22:14:06 oilsworkn: here is the statistics list on the main scene: Oct 04 22:14:07 http://pastie.org/1199536 Oct 04 22:14:15 oilsworkn: I don't have it setup with mojo Oct 04 22:16:26 and what are you wanting to do with it? Oct 04 22:16:53 oilsworkn: well, you mentioned that it doesn't do anything that a normal list does. I was wondering if I could make the items draggable while keeping the html values there Oct 04 22:17:53 well, since its just in html Oct 04 22:18:00 you would have to roll a lot of your own code to do it Oct 04 22:18:07 _just_ Oct 04 22:18:08 ... Oct 04 22:18:18 if you were using an actual list widget, it would be as simple as a toggle Oct 04 22:18:42 oilsworkn: yeah i know. but I change the values with innerHTML Oct 04 22:18:48 yeah Oct 04 22:18:50 oilsworkn: so that's alright I guess Oct 04 22:19:02 my only comment was that tapping the rows made the "selection" class fire Oct 04 22:19:08 when it didn't do anything from tapping it Oct 04 22:19:18 oilsworkn: is there some disable class that I could apply to them? Oct 04 22:19:21 so there is no need to notify the user that they tapped it Oct 04 22:19:32 just delete x-mojo-touch-feedback="delayed" Oct 04 22:19:35 from the rows Oct 04 22:19:41 oilsworkn: oh great! thanks :) Oct 04 22:19:51 and it wont change hte styles when tapped Oct 04 22:20:16 oilsworkn: that did the trick. I think I've nailed everything you suggested ;) Oct 04 22:20:27 lol Oct 04 22:20:49 now they're going to tell you to add the edit menu on the main scene when you push the update, haha Oct 04 22:21:01 maybe you'll get lucky twice Oct 04 22:21:04 oilsworkn: I put it in there just for insurance ;) Oct 04 22:21:23 oilsworkn: even though that's pretty lame Oct 04 22:21:24 i actually got in an argument with a review over the help scene not having help in the app menu Oct 04 22:21:43 what? but why? lol Oct 04 22:21:44 i lost :/ Oct 04 22:21:48 haha Oct 04 22:21:53 so did you cave? Oct 04 22:22:14 yes Oct 04 22:22:16 lol Oct 04 22:22:22 the help item in the help scene did a swapscene back to the help scene Oct 04 22:22:23 lol Oct 04 22:22:23 pretty pointless Oct 04 22:22:28 great Oct 04 22:22:30 useless Oct 04 22:22:36 but whatever i guess Oct 04 22:22:47 yeah Oct 04 22:22:50 it all depends on who you get Oct 04 22:22:50 how long do updates usually take to get approved? Oct 04 22:22:57 anybody else wana go to health 2.0 at SF? Oct 04 22:23:03 i haven't pushed an update in like almost a year Oct 04 22:23:06 i have like 5 tix that i can put other people on my team Oct 04 22:24:04 * oilsworkn doesn't know what health 2.0 is Oct 04 22:24:13 * oilsworkn is also not in SF Oct 04 22:25:15 oilsworkn: well I'll let you know. I'm submitting an update ;) Oct 04 22:25:24 lol Oct 04 22:27:22 mbarvian, you are in the conference? lol Oct 04 22:27:32 Nyceane: what conference? Oct 04 22:27:40 Nyceane: I guess that means no :) Oct 04 22:27:57 heh Oct 04 22:31:29 oilsworkn: would you recommend using a code compressor before uploading? just a thought Oct 04 22:31:43 * oilsworkn thinks its a waste of time Oct 04 22:31:49 oilsworkn: alright cool Oct 04 22:31:58 and they do sometimes break stuff Oct 04 22:32:09 and, the js is local Oct 04 22:32:11 oilsworkn: ok then. just wondering :) Oct 04 22:32:20 so its not like you're trying to save bytes and speed loading Oct 04 22:32:31 I've already spent my palm's winning money again =| it's such a bad habbit of mine =( Oct 04 22:32:36 idk if it even makes any difference Oct 04 22:32:48 speed-wise for webos apps that is Oct 04 22:32:57 Nyceane: what's health 2.0 Oct 04 22:33:06 like 1.0 Oct 04 22:33:08 but with a new logo Oct 04 22:33:15 i think the only difference it'd make would be in the initial download of the app but Oct 04 22:33:15 lol Oct 04 22:33:17 oooooo Oct 04 22:33:19 lmao Oct 04 22:33:21 new free vps..... Oct 04 22:33:22 the savings might be so small to not be noticeable Oct 04 22:33:28 and an upside-down food pyramid Oct 04 22:33:50 SineOt: thanks :) Oct 04 22:34:56 what do you think about websites for apps? I read somewhere it was recommended. just wondering what your thoughts were Oct 04 22:35:22 websites are always needed.... Oct 04 22:35:30 depends Oct 04 22:35:32 the "website" links for my apps just go to my domain Oct 04 22:35:34 which has nothing on it Oct 04 22:35:35 :/ Oct 04 22:35:40 lol Oct 04 22:35:45 * dohtem needs a website Oct 04 22:35:46 halfhalo: do you have an app? could I maybe see a sample website? :) Oct 04 22:36:06 odd question~ Oct 04 22:36:13 I don'tish and I have no website. Because I'm lazy Oct 04 22:36:16 but does anyone here use OSX, and Ares? Oct 04 22:36:26 SineOt: I HAVE, but I don't. Why? Oct 04 22:36:30 he's only here to blame things on me Oct 04 22:36:32 sacreblue! Oct 04 22:36:35 yup Oct 04 22:36:37 doesn't actually write apps Oct 04 22:36:42 haha Oct 04 22:36:46 just yells at those that do Oct 04 22:36:46 I've found a weird ass bug with Ares and I can't figure out if it's me, or if it's Ares Oct 04 22:36:47 I wrote _one_ Oct 04 22:37:01 which I subsequently lost the code to and can't be arsed to find it Oct 04 22:37:17 see, thats no good, how am i supposed to make fun of something thats non-existant? Oct 04 22:37:20 halfhalo: better than me... I'm still working on my first. Oct 04 22:37:24 other then it not existing that is Oct 04 22:37:44 Use your imagination! Oct 04 22:37:47 * oilsworkn is up to 10? 11? released apps? Oct 04 22:37:56 ive lost count Oct 04 22:37:58 lies Oct 04 22:38:06 using Ares in Safari 5: Fine, using it in Fluid.app, which is just embedding Safari 5's webkit in a new window: 'special' characters like delete and tab get doubled, but nothing else Oct 04 22:38:16 * oilsworkn begins typing/counting Oct 04 22:38:43 xblfriends, dotgame, blocked, blocked homebrew edition, preware, luna manager, wirc, govnah, lumberjack Oct 04 22:38:55 there's got to be more Oct 04 22:39:05 there is certainly a few that were never released Oct 04 22:39:06 lol Oct 04 22:39:12 *you* need a website Oct 04 22:39:23 to list them at least Oct 04 22:39:24 no, he needs to finish wirc Oct 04 22:39:27 lol Oct 04 22:39:28 heh Oct 04 22:39:31 wirc is functional! Oct 04 22:39:35 ish! Oct 04 22:39:40 lol Oct 04 22:39:51 I'm just hoping that hybrid apps on the Pixi get fixed soon >:B Oct 04 22:39:59 not having the 0.3.x wIRC is painfulll Oct 04 22:40:05 yeah Oct 04 22:40:10 030 is when things got lots better Oct 04 22:40:26 more functional? Oct 04 22:40:28 :) Oct 04 22:40:34 yeah Oct 04 22:40:38 it worked in 0.2.4 Oct 04 22:40:44 there was just a lot of bugs and broken bits Oct 04 22:41:55 though, because puffy isn't in #webos Oct 04 22:42:02 ill point out that most of them were service related :) Oct 04 22:42:08 like the ACTION messages getting eaten alive :p Oct 04 22:42:23 lol Oct 04 22:45:05 Nyceane: these challenges sound intresting? Oct 04 22:45:14 -? Oct 04 22:45:19 lol Oct 04 22:45:57 I want to see this done - "Help patients get access to personal health information at the point of care using just their smartphone." Oct 04 22:51:07 palm doesn't offer a changelog for updates? Oct 04 22:51:40 god developing for webos is so nice Oct 04 22:51:41 lol Oct 04 22:52:10 what are you working on? Oct 04 22:52:54 mbarvian: I doubt he's working on it ;) Oct 04 22:53:15 developing for webos is like developing for the web if ie never existed Oct 04 22:53:26 oilsworkn: exactly Oct 04 22:53:29 lol Oct 04 22:53:33 oilsworkn: more like ie was the only browser Oct 04 22:53:38 ie6 i particular Oct 04 22:53:46 heh, I love how my css just fucking works Oct 04 22:53:47 right Oct 04 22:54:06 and I dont have to fire up different browsers/versions of browsers Oct 04 22:54:14 yeah Oct 04 22:54:27 and only 2 screen sizes Oct 04 22:54:34 with the same width Oct 04 22:54:47 (well, hopefully the new devices have some higher resolutions) Oct 04 22:55:17 oilsworkn: very nice yes Oct 04 22:55:21 soon, we'll have to account for those tiny displays on HP printers Oct 04 22:55:25 lol Oct 04 22:55:32 oilsworkn: haha. wait will those things have the catalog? Oct 04 22:55:54 i keep saying "report ink levels correctly patch" is going to be a good one from preware[printer edition] Oct 04 22:55:59 lol Oct 04 22:56:54 lmao.. didnt they put a kill switch or something on the cartridges so you could only refill them so many times before purchasing a new one Oct 04 22:57:51 if you can think of a cheap way to sell more cartridges, im sure its been done Oct 04 22:58:28 a lot of them you can't refill without reflashing the chip to make it report that it's full again Oct 04 22:58:29 win Oct 04 22:58:34 Got a raise Oct 04 22:58:48 woot. Oct 04 22:58:51 $0 x 20 still = $0 Oct 04 22:59:14 lol Oct 04 22:59:16 hah Oct 04 22:59:32 its probably from blaming everything on me, no? Oct 04 22:59:37 now you're flawless? Oct 04 22:59:42 and they're all "whos this oil guy?" Oct 04 22:59:51 yup! Oct 04 22:59:51 "we need to fire him" Oct 04 22:59:59 hire THEN fire! Oct 04 23:00:13 lol Oct 04 23:00:49 * oilsworkn is leaving work Oct 04 23:20:26 laser printers FTW Oct 04 23:21:17 yuuup Oct 04 23:22:53 Brother 2170W for 30$ ftw :Q Oct 04 23:24:03 i have the 2140 Oct 04 23:24:11 no wireless :( Oct 04 23:26:50 haeffb: nice done! update Oct 04 23:55:18 Today is a good day... Oct 04 23:57:42 Tibfib: thanks Oct 04 23:58:17 today IS a good day... Oct 04 23:58:23 Yup Oct 04 23:58:37 New vps and pay raise! Oct 04 23:59:11 Now I have three servers... Oct 04 23:59:20 Devvy, proddy, and staggy Oct 05 00:00:54 Staggy has the mongodb and the tf2 server since it's the best specs Oct 05 00:00:59 And free, but still Oct 05 00:01:14 It's free Oct 05 00:04:11 personal or for work? Oct 05 00:04:16 the servers Oct 05 00:04:16 Personal Oct 05 00:04:34 Work has cloud servers with waaaayyyy to much power for what they do Oct 05 00:05:31 heh Oct 05 00:06:40 Srsly, they do Oct 05 00:07:24 The sites get like 10k hits a day and they can handle 100k if needed Oct 05 00:08:06 Still crashes during the first day of the semester, though Oct 05 00:31:18 http://forums.precentral.net/attachments/future-palm-devices/52247d1286216918-palm-pad-sneak-peek-artist-render-ppad.jpg looks nice Oct 05 00:32:04 unrealistic. but a nice artist render. not crappy like most user created images Oct 05 00:34:10 you are not logged in Oct 05 00:34:14 >:( Oct 05 00:35:29 oh sucks for you :P Oct 05 00:35:55 cool, gotta create an account just to look at a picture Oct 05 00:36:29 * Tibfib can email it to you Oct 05 00:37:26 Tibfib: I honestly don't know how I feel about tablet's with built-in slide-out keyboards Oct 05 00:37:40 yeah, Idk if I like it... Just a slick render :) Oct 05 00:37:48 if anything? I would want something like the "convertible notbook" but thinner Oct 05 00:37:55 oh, yeah, that's certainly true Oct 05 00:41:54 that keyboard would be an ergonomic nightmare :p Oct 05 00:42:30 I may need to fire up some 3D app to get started on my own render, haha Oct 05 00:47:05 has anyone repaired a pre before? Oct 05 00:47:38 fortunately I haven't had to Oct 05 00:48:45 does ifixit have a tear down? Oct 05 00:49:22 it does, yeah Oct 05 00:49:47 I was looking at that, it looks like the speaker is really connected to the casing of the phone, and not the mobo or anything else Oct 05 00:50:12 that's common Oct 05 00:50:55 Hey summa Oct 05 00:51:06 hi VPBree Oct 05 00:51:19 rwhitby: well, so that means the casing is all that likely needs to be replaced? Oct 05 00:51:27 .... Oct 05 00:51:29 im an idiot Oct 05 00:51:58 what? Oct 05 00:52:14 brb Oct 05 00:52:36 hiii Oct 05 00:53:30 hi Oct 05 00:53:53 summatusmentis: http://www.flickr.com/photos/rwhitby/4586342010/in/set-72157624009973040/ Oct 05 00:54:11 speaker is top left in that photo Oct 05 00:54:26 I hate that foam stuff Oct 05 00:54:36 pretty Oct 05 00:54:55 halfhalo: yeah, the accoustic isolation is a bit fiddly when putting things back together Oct 05 00:55:40 Well, it was fine on my sprint pre but somehow completely wrapped around the vibrator thing in the pre plus and broke it Oct 05 00:55:46 * halfhalo bbl home time Oct 05 00:55:58 that slideset is linked from the thread at http://forums.precentral.net/webos-internals/245266-how-disassemble-reassemble-palm-pre.html Oct 05 00:56:02 right, so it's likely the speaker itsef, and not something off the board that the speaker connects to? Oct 05 00:56:19 depends what the problem is Oct 05 00:56:31 right Oct 05 00:56:50 oh, I feel stupid Oct 05 00:56:58 I was thinking about the ear-speaker Oct 05 00:57:17 oh, that's on the front casing Oct 05 00:57:31 I might be getting a pre from someone with a broken ear-speaker Oct 05 00:57:44 but replacing the casing would do it, presumably Oct 05 00:57:45 http://www.flickr.com/photos/rwhitby/4586337540/in/set-72157624009973040/ Oct 05 00:58:29 or I suppose the ear-piece itself Oct 05 00:59:08 you're into the danger zone of disassembly if you want to replace that bit Oct 05 00:59:21 eeeh, bummer Oct 05 00:59:51 I'm just trying to cobble together a working pre :) Oct 05 01:00:14 hopefully so it'll work well enough to tide me over until new hardware comes out Oct 05 01:02:46 replacing comms board or keyboard is easy. going past that gets much harder Oct 05 01:03:08 bummer Oct 05 01:03:49 earpiece is one of the deepest buried things Oct 05 01:06:04 right, I suppose it has to be between the screen and it's casing Oct 05 01:12:12 it's just above the screen, but it plugs into the omap board with a fiddly connector Oct 05 01:12:32 and it's easy to damage the screen around that area Oct 05 01:14:19 mmm Oct 05 01:14:31 I'm not sure I feel comfortable digging around that deepyly Oct 05 01:19:22 I wouldn't be. Oct 05 01:20:51 used pre's are sorta pricy online, it's almost worth it to just use my contract renewal and get a new pre for $50 Oct 05 01:23:28 anybody know where people can get cheap flight last minute? Oct 05 01:23:38 each way is like $160 from LAX to SFO =| Oct 05 01:27:23 drive? Oct 05 01:31:40 that's a nice drive up the coast Oct 05 01:32:09 Yup Oct 05 01:32:26 Although leaving LA at 4pm is not reccomended Oct 05 01:34:36 http://creationix.com/synth/ (try it in safari) Oct 05 02:40:23 hey guys Oct 05 02:40:27 what's the best way to promote my app? Oct 05 02:41:09 as an end user: make sure the icon doesn't totally suck Oct 05 02:41:34 run naked out into the street shooting people Oct 05 02:41:43 and then claim in court your app caused it Oct 05 02:41:53 people will go insane downloading it to see what exactly it does Oct 05 02:45:03 Wolvenhaven, interesting tactic. Oct 05 02:48:50 also Oct 05 02:48:58 submit a version of it to the iphone app store Oct 05 02:49:12 but full of explicit material, it will get press coverage for apple being facist Oct 05 02:49:30 and then in every article during the interview tell people "it's availible on the webos platform though" Oct 05 02:49:38 streighsand effect kicks in, bank Oct 05 02:58:47 <_azdak> hey yall Oct 05 02:59:03 <_azdak> has anybody around used the download manager a lot? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Oct 05 02:59:57 2010