**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Oct 05 02:59:57 2010
Oct 05 03:02:24 <KGF2009> Define a lot.
Oct 05 03:02:54 <_azdak> ha
Oct 05 03:03:07 <KGF2009> You mean the one from Crystal Dev, right?
Oct 05 03:03:37 <rwhitby> or the one that's part of the webOS API?
Oct 05 03:03:45 <_azdak> No, I mean the mojo service
Oct 05 03:04:15 <KGF2009> Nevermind then.
Oct 05 03:05:41 <_azdak> I've got it working to download stuff to media/internal/, I'm just not real clear on how to use that
Oct 05 03:06:51 <_azdak> do I need to ajax to the local, d/l'ed file to pass it as an image object?
Oct 05 03:06:58 <_azdak> cause that seems... weird
Oct 05 03:42:36 <_azdak> hmmm. well-
Oct 05 03:42:43 <_azdak> quiet night haha
Oct 05 04:19:29 <creationix> wow, gps enabled photos are amazing
Oct 05 04:19:43 <creationix> http://creationix.com/lilychurch/Pages/2.html http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&q=37.421192+N,122.11026+W&ie=UTF8&ll=37.421334,-122.110379&spn=0.000625,0.000679&t=h&z=21
Oct 05 04:20:02 <creationix> Using the coordinates from the bottom, I can see the sidewalk and grass from the photo
Oct 05 04:20:35 <creationix> too bad the pre doesn't have that good of a camera
Oct 05 05:37:00 <Gu1l7y_work> hey all
Oct 05 05:37:36 * Gu1l7y_work hears crickets...
Oct 05 05:38:01 <Gu1l7y_work> Well, anyways. Can anyone answer me a question?
Oct 05 05:38:23 <SineOt> sure, if you ask it :)
Oct 05 05:38:54 <Gu1l7y_work> Sweet. Ok, say I type me up a book in my favorite word processor of choice...
Oct 05 05:39:05 <Gu1l7y_work> Then I go through an spellcheck and all....
Oct 05 05:39:16 <Gu1l7y_work> How would I put it in the app catalog?
Oct 05 05:41:23 <rwhitby> ask Appible or BrightHouse ?
Oct 05 05:41:33 <rwhitby> they seem to have it down pat ...
Oct 05 05:41:47 <SineOt> lol... so you want to sell it?
Oct 05 05:42:06 <Gu1l7y_work> See that's what I'm wondering about....
Oct 05 05:42:20 <Gu1l7y_work> If I don't wanna sell it, then I've gotta make my own app right?
Oct 05 05:42:25 <Gu1l7y_work> To display it an all..
Oct 05 05:43:12 <Gu1l7y_work> An I'm not talking about making money, just getting it out there....
Oct 05 05:44:55 <SineOt> well... then there's probably a lot better ways to get it out there? :p
Oct 05 05:45:06 <SineOt> PubIt! just launched, why not use that
Oct 05 05:45:20 <Gu1l7y_work> Ill go check it out....
Oct 05 05:45:51 * Gu1l7y_work dashes away, vapor trail leading behind...
Oct 05 06:29:20 <swisstomcat> morning
Oct 05 06:29:30 <teemu> Morning
Oct 05 06:38:26 <Gu1l7y_work> morning
Oct 05 07:41:25 <hotdp> ohh?
Oct 05 08:40:59 <swisstomcat> morning hotdp
Oct 05 08:43:13 <hotdp> morning swisstomcat :D
Oct 05 08:59:49 <warpdesign__> morning swisstomcat
Oct 05 09:00:07 <swisstomcat> morning warpdesign
Oct 05 11:19:50 <mbarvian> hey guys.  what's the best way to promote your app?
Oct 05 11:22:28 <swisstomcat> lots of options
Oct 05 11:22:34 <swisstomcat> send it for review to precentral
Oct 05 11:22:35 <swisstomcat> twitter
Oct 05 11:22:38 <swisstomcat> facebook
Oct 05 11:50:55 <Bmyers> swisstomcat:  how does facebook promote your app?
Oct 05 11:51:07 <swisstomcat> create a business page
Oct 05 11:51:14 <swisstomcat> add screenshots of your app
Oct 05 11:51:16 <swisstomcat> promote
Oct 05 11:51:36 <Bmyers> have you actually done it?
Oct 05 11:52:21 <swisstomcat> yeah
Oct 05 11:52:35 <Bmyers> and observed results?
Oct 05 11:52:39 <swisstomcat> http://www.facebook.com/pages/ThinMachine/119260241458012
Oct 05 11:53:04 <swisstomcat> haven't paid enough attention to it
Oct 05 11:53:53 <Bmyers> just having trouble understanding how it would promote your app doing that
Oct 05 11:54:09 <Bmyers> ppl search facebook for thinmachine?
Oct 05 11:54:30 <swisstomcat> you can share the site with your friends
Oct 05 11:54:33 <swisstomcat> and through likes
Oct 05 11:55:25 <Bmyers> well, we do that here in irc. how do perspective users find out about your app using facebook?
Oct 05 11:56:27 <swisstomcat> share the site with friends on facebook
Oct 05 11:56:36 <swisstomcat> and through likes
Oct 05 12:00:08 <Bmyers> having a hard time understanding the value of that. i'm not a big facebook'r tho
Oct 05 12:10:01 <swisstomcat> it can't hurt i think
Oct 05 12:10:11 <swisstomcat> e.g webos-internals is on facebook too with their apps
Oct 05 16:00:42 <chuqui> morning, all
Oct 05 16:00:49 <halfhalo> morning
Oct 05 16:01:50 <summatusmentis> hi chuqui
Oct 05 16:03:27 <sugardave> Palm reviewers, today is my birthday, please review my app :D
Oct 05 16:04:16 <halfhalo> lol
Oct 05 16:15:24 <oil> hah
Oct 05 16:15:33 <oil> if i was a reviewer, id push it to the top of the list :)
Oct 05 16:16:08 <halfhalo> the deny list!
Oct 05 16:16:16 <oil> no, im not halfhalo
Oct 05 16:16:25 <halfhalo> well... I am
Oct 05 16:34:00 <swisstomcat> morning chuqui
Oct 05 16:34:49 <swisstomcat> doh
Oct 05 16:34:50 <swisstomcat> bbl
Oct 05 16:39:16 <sugardave> crap, they reviewed it alright...and REJECTED it :P
Oct 05 16:39:26 <halfhalo> awww
Oct 05 16:39:27 <halfhalo> why
Oct 05 16:39:41 <sugardave> "can't edit password field"....that's because it's disabled until you select "save password" :P
Oct 05 16:39:49 <halfhalo> lol
Oct 05 17:09:33 <sugardave> chuqui: thanks :D
Oct 05 17:11:37 <haeffb_pre> sugardave: happy birthday
Oct 05 17:12:09 <sugardave> haeffb_pre: thanks!
Oct 05 17:32:34 <Bmyers> member:sugardave: happy birthday!!!!!!
Oct 05 17:32:57 <Bmyers> oops, didnt mean to call you a member
Oct 05 17:35:15 <oil> lol
Oct 05 17:38:26 <Mousey> hi internets!
Oct 05 17:38:56 <haeffb_pre> hi mouseys!
Oct 05 17:50:18 <dohtem> happy birthday sugardave
Oct 05 17:50:30 <halfhalo> happy happy birthday birthday!
Oct 05 17:50:53 <Mousey> happy birthday sugardave!
Oct 05 18:26:38 <haeffb_pre> chuqui: email sent
Oct 05 18:33:08 <chuqui> haeffb_pre:  got it. let me snoop a bit.
Oct 05 18:43:07 <MetaView> happy sugarday, brithdave
Oct 05 18:43:54 <hotdp> Happy birthday sugardave
Oct 05 18:53:55 <wxl> sheesh
Oct 05 19:16:35 <Robdor> Hi everybody
Oct 05 19:17:23 <hotdp> Hi Robdor
Oct 05 19:33:39 <Nyceane> hi hotdp
Oct 05 19:46:43 <mbarvian> does anyone mind reviewing my app?  you get a $1.99 app for free ;)
Oct 05 19:48:20 <hotdp> the brasile one?
Oct 05 19:48:37 <mbarvian> ?
Oct 05 19:53:12 <MetaView> mbarvian: which app?
Oct 05 19:53:23 <mbarvian> MetaView: my first app, called Weight Tracker
Oct 05 19:53:30 * MetaView is always looking for free stuff :)
Oct 05 19:53:42 <MetaView> ah, I've seen it
Oct 05 19:53:44 <mbarvian> MetaView: are you interested? It's pretty small so it won't take long at all
Oct 05 19:53:48 <MetaView> yes
Oct 05 19:53:52 <mbarvian> MetaView: where? :)
Oct 05 19:53:59 <MetaView> metaview (at) web (dot) de
Oct 05 19:54:21 <hotdp> mbarvian sorry i thought it was something different
Oct 05 19:54:36 <MetaView> I've seen it in the catalog, somehow it took my interest, but I'm not going to pay for anything... almost
Oct 05 19:55:20 <MetaView> I paid for Tanks and probably will for Angry Birds (must agree it's kind of cool) when I have some days to spend
Oct 05 19:55:39 <MetaView> thx, Email arrived
Oct 05 19:55:52 <mbarvian> MetaView: just let me know here ;)
Oct 05 19:56:00 <MetaView> yeap
Oct 05 20:00:02 <mbarvian> MetaView: here's a youtube video if you're interested:
Oct 05 20:00:03 <mbarvian> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKOK_anlEX8
Oct 05 20:04:58 <MetaView> just some thoughts:
Oct 05 20:05:14 <MetaView> might be good to show the unit on the start scene
Oct 05 20:06:07 <MetaView> the abbrivation for kilogramms is kg
Oct 05 20:07:59 <MetaView> the goal scene isa bit difficult to undertsnad
Oct 05 20:08:08 <MetaView> set a goal is always at 150
Oct 05 20:08:22 <MetaView> could show the goal I set
Oct 05 20:09:05 <MetaView> doesn't make a difference between to heavy and to light
Oct 05 20:09:44 <MetaView> would be cool, when it will save if I'm to light or to heavy when I set the goal and will display it in green when I run over my goal
Oct 05 20:10:39 <mbarvian> alright
Oct 05 20:11:02 <mbarvian> so: you want to set units on startup, with the weight?
Oct 05 20:11:08 <mbarvian> that sounds pretty good :)
Oct 05 20:12:16 <mbarvian> and also, just so I'm understanding, you think I should take out the "s" from the abbreviation of the units, making it just like 143 lb or 143 kg?
Oct 05 20:12:26 <MetaView> that was the first I did, chang to kg
Oct 05 20:12:37 <MetaView> for kg it is kg
Oct 05 20:12:43 <MetaView> i don't know about lbs
Oct 05 20:14:55 <mbarvian> alright, cool.
Oct 05 20:15:00 <mbarvian> thanks for the feedback :)
Oct 05 20:15:17 <mbarvian> so, is this an app you would use? would you request other functionality? :)
Oct 05 20:15:43 <hotdp> Its not only for people who will loose weight?
Oct 05 20:17:21 <mbarvian> hotdp: no, it's just an easy way to watch your weight
Oct 05 20:17:27 <mbarvian> or track it, I should say :)
Oct 05 20:19:00 <MetaView> I also works if you need to gain weight
Oct 05 20:19:09 <mbarvian> MetaView: it doe
Oct 05 20:19:10 <mbarvian> *does
Oct 05 20:19:15 <mbarvian> the goals section works both ways
Oct 05 20:19:34 <MetaView> Well, I don't have a weight (the device to get the weight)
Oct 05 20:19:45 <mbarvian> MetaView: that's fine
Oct 05 20:20:08 <MetaView> yes, I think when I'm in the goal scene it should remember the goal
Oct 05 20:20:54 <MetaView> and it should show somehting different depending where I am, if I'm behind the goal: it's a success
Oct 05 20:21:42 <mbarvian> MetaView: how would that work though, since it goes both ways?
Oct 05 20:23:46 <MetaView> when I specify the goal, you remmeber the direction and you test <= or >= at the end
Oct 05 20:24:05 <MetaView> when I'm over the goal, I want to lose weight
Oct 05 20:24:15 <MetaView> when I#m under the goal I want to gain weight
Oct 05 20:26:46 <mbarvian> ah ok
Oct 05 20:32:59 <mbarvian> thanks for the feedback! I'll get right on it
Oct 05 20:33:33 <MetaView> cool :)
Oct 05 20:37:12 <Bmyers> u looking to bulk up the rip MetaView  ?
Oct 05 20:39:35 <MetaView> ?
Oct 05 20:39:49 <MetaView> don't undertsand, sorry, english isn't my native tongue
Oct 05 20:40:30 <Bmyers> bulk up = gain weight , ripped = muscles
Oct 05 20:40:39 <Bmyers> just kidding..
Oct 05 20:41:21 <MetaView> no, not really :)
Oct 05 20:41:46 <MetaView> I'm almost 40 and have 2 kids, I don't have time to punish my body
Oct 05 20:42:29 <Bmyers> kind of gets done for you then..
Oct 05 20:42:42 <MetaView> :)
Oct 05 20:43:04 <MetaView> but I have to care about my weight (top-down)
Oct 05 21:00:43 <Nyceane> when is the next palm developer challenge? =P
Oct 05 21:01:09 <Nyceane> this time I am actually gona build good apps, esp if its on tablet =)
Oct 05 21:04:34 <KGF2009> How does one make a patch?
Oct 05 21:19:10 <KGF2009> haeffb, maybe you can help.
Oct 05 21:19:21 <haeffb> help what?
Oct 05 21:19:38 <KGF2009> How does one make a patch?
Oct 05 21:19:47 <haeffb> anyone know how to stop xchat from loading plugins at startup?
Oct 05 21:19:52 <haeffb> KGF2009: no idea
Oct 05 21:20:02 <haeffb> some linuxy thing, I think.
Oct 05 21:20:19 <KGF2009> Which pluginsn
Oct 05 21:20:26 <KGF2009> ?*
Oct 05 21:20:38 <haeffb> minimize to tooltray or something
Oct 05 21:20:59 <haeffb> I have to disable it everytime I launch xchat
Oct 05 21:21:02 <KGF2009> That's a plugin?
Oct 05 21:21:39 <haeffb> yep
Oct 05 21:22:07 <haeffb> xtray.dll
Oct 05 21:22:41 <KGF2009> Delete it?
Oct 05 21:22:49 <haeffb> I'm sure there's a config file somewhere...
Oct 05 21:23:02 <KGF2009> OS?
Oct 05 21:23:08 * halfhalo has never used xchat on windows before
Oct 05 21:24:12 <haeffb> win7
Oct 05 21:24:19 <haeffb> I may just rename it
Oct 05 21:24:45 <haeffb> brb
Oct 05 21:24:47 <KGF2009> Config is probably in your Application Data.
Oct 05 21:25:30 <haeffb> well, that's weird.
Oct 05 21:25:36 <haeffb> Guess I'd have to reboot.
Oct 05 21:26:19 <haeffb> no, I guess I have to remove it from plugins dir
Oct 05 21:27:31 <haeffb> brb again
Oct 05 21:28:31 <KGF2009> Fixed?
Oct 05 21:28:44 <haeffb> yes
Oct 05 21:28:52 <haeffb> rename didn't work, it still loaded
Oct 05 21:28:57 <haeffb> loads anything in plugins dir
Oct 05 21:29:13 <haeffb> gonna reboot again for Win updates. bbl
Oct 05 21:30:16 <KGF2009> Well. Anyone know where the files are for the lock screen? ( Drag up to unlock, etc. )
Oct 05 21:34:55 <KGF2009> haeffb; files for the lock screen; any idea where they are?
Oct 05 21:36:52 <haeffb> nope
Oct 05 23:20:26 <Bmyers> why is dropbox so hard to understand?
Oct 05 23:20:46 <SineOt> the app?
Oct 05 23:21:03 <Bmyers> desktop app
Oct 05 23:22:00 <SineOt> what's hard to understand about it b_d
Oct 05 23:22:44 <rwhitby> people don't realise drag and drop is move on some platforms, and that double-clicking on an archive expands in place on some platforms
Oct 05 23:24:15 <rwhitby> and then there are just some people who don't ever consider the impact of their actions upon others.
Oct 05 23:25:22 <SineOt> I wouldn't say that was a problem with dropbox per se though
Oct 05 23:25:51 <Loudergood> I find it interesting that palm chose a user writable tool for that stuff
Oct 05 23:25:51 <Bmyers> i agree
Oct 05 23:25:53 <rwhitby> the problem is that Palm chose a two-way collaboration tool to do a one-way distribution job
Oct 05 23:26:04 <Bmyers> exactly
Oct 05 23:26:30 <Loudergood> a web or ftp server would've done the job just fine
Oct 05 23:27:20 <Bmyers> sugardave:  what r u doing to celebrate ?
Oct 05 23:28:39 <SineOt> wait, palm uses dropbox, as in the app from dropbox.com, to do dev stuff?
Oct 05 23:29:18 <mbarvian> hey guys.  What is the easiest way to store something in webos that's not a cookie and is not limited
Oct 05 23:29:19 <mbarvian> ?
Oct 05 23:33:05 <Bmyers> mbarvian:  limited to what?
Oct 05 23:33:17 <mbarvian> Bmyers: storage-wise
Oct 05 23:33:24 <mbarvian> Bmyers: 5kb or whatever the limit is
Oct 05 23:33:35 <Bmyers> what r u storing?
Oct 05 23:33:44 <mbarvian> weights corresponding to weights
Oct 05 23:33:48 <mbarvian> *dates
Oct 05 23:33:56 <Bmyers> o,
Oct 05 23:34:05 <Bmyers> yeah u cant do cookies there
Oct 05 23:34:18 <Bmyers> have you seen cupcake?
Oct 05 23:34:32 <mbarvian> yeah. i use it now.  sql seems too complicated for what I need though
Oct 05 23:34:35 <halfhalo> sqlite orm ftw
Oct 05 23:34:47 <mbarvian> sqlite orm?
Oct 05 23:35:08 <oil> webos needs better sync storage
Oct 05 23:35:11 <mbarvian> what about depot?
Oct 05 23:35:16 <halfhalo> heh, yeah.  I have to port the mostly working one I made in node over, since its almost the same
Oct 05 23:35:19 <Bmyers> depot is an sql wrapper
Oct 05 23:35:21 <oil> depot == sqlite
Oct 05 23:35:54 <Bmyers> but yeah, your options are cookies, depot, sqlite
Oct 05 23:36:25 <mbarvian> oh, so is depot not limited to 5kb?
Oct 05 23:36:39 <Bmyers> it is not
Oct 05 23:36:52 <mbarvian> awesome
Oct 05 23:37:07 <mbarvian> does it sound, based on what i need, that depot should work well?
Oct 05 23:37:44 <Bmyers> personally, i'd skip depot
Oct 05 23:37:57 <Bmyers> and just learn sql
Oct 05 23:38:05 <Bmyers> or use haeffb  's cupcake
Oct 05 23:38:20 <mbarvian> alright
Oct 05 23:38:29 <Bmyers> you'll probably outgrow depot anyway
Oct 05 23:38:40 <Bmyers> might as well bite the bullet now
Oct 05 23:40:01 <Bmyers> kind of personal preference
Oct 05 23:40:30 <Bmyers> use cupcake tho... that way if it doesnt work you can hassle haeffb  about it
Oct 05 23:40:52 <mbarvian> lol
Oct 05 23:41:13 <mbarvian> I'm using cupcake now, except I don't really know how to get it to work the way I want to
Oct 05 23:42:07 <Bmyers> great!
Oct 05 23:42:45 <Bmyers> then you should trash talk cupcake up until haeffb  is shamed into helping you with it
Oct 05 23:43:26 <Bmyers> but i guess he is either not around
Oct 05 23:43:39 <Bmyers> or sitting there in front of his computer with broken fingers
Oct 05 23:43:54 <Bmyers> he would have piped in by now
Oct 05 23:44:09 <Bmyers> whats the problem?
Oct 05 23:44:35 <mbarvian> i want to be able to select all the entries and store them in an array
Oct 05 23:44:39 <mbarvian> i don't even know how it works though
Oct 05 23:44:49 <mbarvian> it's the first time I've dabbled with sql
Oct 05 23:45:24 <Bmyers> select all the weight entries in the db you mean?
Oct 05 23:45:56 <mbarvian> yes
Oct 05 23:49:05 <Bmyers> hmm. cupcake may not be the thing for you
Oct 05 23:49:31 <Bmyers> u have that weight app right?
Oct 05 23:50:41 <mbarvian> Bmyers: yes :)
Oct 05 23:51:00 <mbarvian> Bmyers: I also need to be able to sort them by month
Oct 05 23:51:07 <mbarvian> which I already mentioned
Oct 05 23:51:34 <Bmyers> yup. got your bullet around?
Oct 05 23:51:35 <Bmyers> http://www.webos101.com/Mojo_Storage_Database
Oct 05 23:51:50 <Bmyers> have a look there are see what you think
Oct 05 23:52:01 <mbarvian> Bmyers: sounds good :) hold on
Oct 05 23:53:25 <mbarvian> Bmyers: lol looks complicated.
Oct 05 23:54:19 <mbarvian> Bmyers: just the sql statements
Oct 05 23:55:01 <Bmyers> CRUD
Oct 05 23:55:10 <mbarvian> ?
Oct 05 23:55:17 <Bmyers> create, read, update, delete
Oct 05 23:55:26 <mbarvian> ah
Oct 05 23:55:31 <Bmyers> it's pretty standard stuff
Oct 05 23:55:37 <Bmyers> sql standard...
Oct 05 23:55:58 <Bmyers> but you options are limited at this point
Oct 05 23:56:00 <mbarvian> i mean, i could try it
Oct 05 23:56:19 <mbarvian> depot definitely looks nicer, but it looks like I have more control with this
Oct 05 23:56:37 <Bmyers> have a look at depot
Oct 05 23:56:54 <Bmyers> as i said, sql would be MY choice, depot maybe would be yours
Oct 05 23:57:20 <Bmyers> but, i've been working with sql for 15 years so its an obvious choice for me
Oct 05 23:58:24 <mbarvian> lol
Oct 05 23:58:43 <mbarvian> i have zilch experience with it
Oct 05 23:59:03 <Bmyers> i'm guessing you have a similar amount of experience with depot?
Oct 05 23:59:08 <summatusmentis> I feel like sql doesn't have that much of a learning curve
Oct 05 23:59:43 <mbarvian> yeah.  i mean, it definitely seems manageable
Oct 06 00:00:20 <sugardave> omg
Oct 06 00:00:24 <sugardave> so my app was rejected
Oct 06 00:00:30 <sugardave> and now I have addressed the thing
Oct 06 00:00:40 <sugardave> and I go to either update the rejected app or make a new one
Oct 06 00:00:53 <sugardave> it is FORCING me to re-version?
Oct 06 00:00:57 <Bmyers> yup
Oct 06 00:00:57 <sugardave> that makes no sense
Oct 06 00:01:00 <Bmyers> nope
Oct 06 00:01:09 <Bmyers> bump
Oct 06 00:01:10 <Bmyers> bump
Oct 06 00:01:11 <mbarvian> can i have columns with depot?
Oct 06 00:01:13 <Bmyers> bump it up
Oct 06 00:01:18 <sugardave> because I have a mind master 1.1.0 reject and released already
Oct 06 00:01:22 <sugardave> so I know that it used to work
Oct 06 00:01:31 <sugardave> that's pretty stupid
Oct 06 00:04:56 <Bmyers> sugardave:  gotta do what you gotta do. nature of the beast
Oct 06 00:05:54 <Bmyers> mbarvian:  depot does really work like that. it's about keys and data and stuff
Oct 06 00:06:12 <mbarvian> Bmyers: cool.  it sounds like the right choice for me
Oct 06 00:06:31 <mbarvian> can I have wildcards?
Oct 06 00:06:41 <mbarvian> when I use Mojo.Depot.get?
Oct 06 00:06:46 <mbarvian> that would make it even better
Oct 06 00:09:23 <sugardave> I don't think you can do that
Oct 06 00:39:08 <_azdak> hey yall
Oct 06 00:42:46 <_azdak> Anybody around familiar with the mojo download manager?
Oct 06 00:54:32 <Nyceane> palm is the king!
Oct 06 00:54:37 <Nyceane> I love palm! =P
Oct 06 00:55:49 * Tibfib sucks at composing emails
Oct 06 00:56:17 <Nyceane> I love Palm =P
Oct 06 01:00:06 <_azdak> anybody?
Oct 06 01:00:17 <Tibfib> _azdak: not here
Oct 06 01:00:23 <Tibfib> (not me)
Oct 06 01:00:31 <Nyceane> you dont love palm?
Oct 06 01:00:45 <_azdak> no, I do.
Oct 06 01:00:49 <Tibfib> I love palm
Oct 06 01:01:00 <_azdak> I don't love the documentation
Oct 06 01:01:08 <_azdak> but palm is a-ok by me
Oct 06 01:01:15 * Tibfib is a tad tired of waiting...
Oct 06 01:01:20 <Tibfib> but other than that, I love palm :)
Oct 06 01:02:21 <_azdak> well- anybody know a write up of the palm device file structure?
Oct 06 01:02:55 <_azdak> cause I have no idea where /media/internal is in relation to *anything*
Oct 06 01:02:58 <_azdak> hahahaha
Oct 06 01:07:48 <SineOt> oh man, the new Moto Droid Pro is pretty sweet looking :x
Oct 06 01:07:56 <Bmyers> evo
Oct 06 01:08:32 <SineOt> http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/10/10-05-10droidpb.jpg
Oct 06 01:08:45 <SineOt> although given that I willingly chose the Pixi over the Pre I may just be biased towards that form factor :x
Oct 06 01:10:05 <_azdak> no, I've got a pixi, and it's much better in a lot of ways
Oct 06 01:11:53 <Bmyers> pixi has too small a screen
Oct 06 01:12:04 <Bmyers> for me
Oct 06 01:13:05 <SineOt> width*heightwise, or resolutionwise?
Oct 06 01:13:27 <Bmyers> WxH
Oct 06 01:13:59 <Bmyers> the other smart phone manufacturers seem to have gotten bigger. pixi went smaller
Oct 06 01:14:19 <Bmyers> it's a great replacement for a centro maybe
Oct 06 01:14:29 <Bmyers> but smartphones are changing again
Oct 06 01:14:34 <_azdak> The smaller screen is mildly annoying,
Oct 06 01:14:49 <_azdak> but it's so tiny and doesn't feel like a brick
Oct 06 01:14:56 <_azdak> super easy to use one-handed, as well
Oct 06 01:15:17 <Bmyers> i got big hands anyway
Oct 06 01:15:28 <Bmyers> it doesnt bother me at all
Oct 06 01:15:49 <_azdak> fair enough. I was, actually, moving over from a centro, so was pretty used to it
Oct 06 01:16:04 <Bmyers> centro on steroids..
Oct 06 01:16:15 <Bmyers> but the design is a year old
Oct 06 01:16:31 <SineOt> I was coming over from an enV2, which is a fat flip phone... wanted something smaller
Oct 06 01:16:36 <SineOt> the Pre is a thick monster
Oct 06 01:16:41 <Bmyers> iphone and android are media devices that can make a phone call
Oct 06 01:16:42 <SineOt> can't fit it in pockets
Oct 06 01:17:13 <Bmyers> if u cant fit a pre in your pocket you need to move back to the 80's
Oct 06 01:17:34 <Bmyers> nut-hugger jeans are a little out of style
Oct 06 01:17:37 <Bmyers> :)
Oct 06 01:19:11 <SineOt> not as out of style as baggy cargos or whatever else is out there
Oct 06 01:19:12 <SineOt> :p
Oct 06 01:20:40 <Bmyers> but to the point
Oct 06 01:20:58 <Bmyers> palm zig'd when they should have zag'd with the pixi
Oct 06 01:21:09 <Bmyers> a large size would have made more sense to me
Oct 06 01:21:43 <SineOt> the only thing that I would agree that Palm screwed up on with the Pixi would be two things
Oct 06 01:21:46 <SineOt> no wifi on sprint
Oct 06 01:21:58 <SineOt> going with an armv6 instead of an armv7
Oct 06 01:22:06 <Bmyers> what? no wifi?
Oct 06 01:22:29 <_azdak> no wifi on the non-plus version
Oct 06 01:22:34 <SineOt> apparently sprint bullied Palm into pulling wifi on the Sprint pixi
Oct 06 01:22:47 <SineOt> which got released with wifi with the Plus moniker on Verizon and ATT
Oct 06 01:22:52 <Bmyers> i didnt not know that... lame
Oct 06 01:23:06 <_azdak> yeah, it's annoying, as well
Oct 06 01:23:18 <SineOt> eh, it's really only an issue when downloading games since some of them get a bit massive
Oct 06 01:23:34 <SineOt> 25mb over crappy 3g isn't much fun
Oct 06 01:23:45 <Bmyers> i still use my pre wifi only.
Oct 06 01:23:51 <_azdak> agreed
Oct 06 01:24:06 <Bmyers> its deactivated otherwise
Oct 06 01:24:21 <SineOt> I've just got in the habit of downloading games while I'm at uni, since the 3G is decently fast there
Oct 06 01:24:43 <SineOt> 1400kbps versus 300kbps
Oct 06 01:25:12 <_azdak> I honestly think palm's biggest screwup hardware-wise was not cutting a better rebate deal
Oct 06 01:25:27 <Bmyers> better than free?
Oct 06 01:25:36 <_azdak> the pixi is killer if it cost like $30
Oct 06 01:25:38 <Bmyers> for a while there they couldnt give em away
Oct 06 01:25:43 <SineOt> it's free -now- but that's only a recent thing
Oct 06 01:25:48 <_azdak> no, when they came out
Oct 06 01:25:57 <SineOt> when I bought mine it was supposed to be 99$ after 100$ rebate
Oct 06 01:26:07 <Bmyers> rebates are lame anyway
Oct 06 01:26:13 <rwhitby> SineOt: what difference does armv6 vs armv7 make to an end-user?
Oct 06 01:26:13 <SineOt> but I managed to get Best Buy to price match walmart to 43$ :9
Oct 06 01:26:26 <_azdak> exactly- at $100 it's in the same class as balckberrys and iphones
Oct 06 01:26:30 <Bmyers> they sell those off to 3rd party rebate companies that never intend to pay you anyway
Oct 06 01:26:38 <SineOt> rwhitby: the fact that it took forever for a lot of games (things end users care about) to end up on the Pixi
Oct 06 01:27:06 <rwhitby> SineOt: that's the GPU/CPU choice (a significant cost factor for Pixi), not armv6 vs armv7
Oct 06 01:27:11 <Bmyers> there is so little real estate on pixi, who cares about games on it?
Oct 06 01:28:47 <SineOt> then instead of armv6 versus armv7, it's "picking a slightly different cpu so that stuff written for one can't run on the other when they don't have the tools to make things run on both easily and won't for 6+ months after the phone's release?" P:
Oct 06 02:13:08 * Tibfib forgets that prototype adds some nice stuff
Oct 06 02:16:06 <creationix> s/nice/insane/
Oct 06 02:53:40 <KGF2009> Anyone know of a sort of pattern-lock patch/app for the pre?
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