**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Oct 17 02:59:58 2010 Oct 17 03:02:01 * dohtem spent the day picking apples and stuff Oct 17 03:02:15 Error: Error: Maximum call stack size exceeded, line object, file undefined, palmInitFramework347:2527 Oct 17 03:02:19 wtf is that even supposed to mean Oct 17 03:02:38 it hates you Oct 17 03:02:47 well I realised that months ago Oct 17 03:19:16 morning Oct 17 03:20:10 evening Oct 17 03:27:32 Anivrom: how's your drawers now? Oct 17 03:27:33 \ Oct 17 03:27:41 I threw them out Oct 17 03:27:56 I use commandos now Oct 17 03:31:37 lol Oct 17 03:36:22 oil: So, dev day - Preware Gen 2 architecture session. what do you say. Get the node.js and db8 guys in on the discussion. Oct 17 03:36:43 thats what you're going to do your talk on? Oct 17 03:36:53 no, I mean a separate session Oct 17 03:37:32 oh Oct 17 03:37:41 Palm engineers helping homebrew guys design Preware Gen 2. That's gotta draw a crowd ... Oct 17 03:37:45 lol Oct 17 03:37:51 yeah Oct 17 03:38:24 is oil coming to dev days yet? Oct 17 03:38:29 yep Oct 17 03:38:32 nice Oct 17 03:38:45 cool. Oct 17 03:39:26 haven't hit the mark yet, but I know we will, so webos internals will cover any shortfall if we dont Oct 17 03:39:45 that allows oil the certainty to book stuff Oct 17 03:39:52 what are some of the goals for preware gen 2? Oct 17 03:40:06 background feedloading Oct 17 03:40:11 Anivrom: did you figure out how to limit to specific chars? Oct 17 03:40:12 only downloading the changes to the feeds Oct 17 03:40:14 instant load, background sync, dynamic lists Oct 17 03:40:19 oooh, double oooh Oct 17 03:40:20 haeffb: negative Oct 17 03:40:25 and super ooh at instant load Oct 17 03:40:29 being able to use a db for creating lists etc Oct 17 03:40:33 instead of holding it all in memory Oct 17 03:40:46 just type for package installs Oct 17 03:40:58 other fancy webos2ey stuff Oct 17 03:41:04 universal search in package descriptions Oct 17 03:41:06 yeah, sounds really fancy Oct 17 03:41:33 periodic background syncing Oct 17 03:41:44 Anivrom: charsAllow: this.onlyNum.bind(this), Oct 17 03:42:11 tbh I never looked into it. Oct 17 03:42:20 oh, multiple installs at a time too Oct 17 03:42:26 So you're confirming its a built in property? Oct 17 03:42:34 http://webos.pastebin.com/TtuyL34J Oct 17 03:42:51 it's an attribute Oct 17 03:42:57 of the textfield widget Oct 17 03:43:07 I see. that means its a chrome.js thing for ares Oct 17 03:43:36 what's ares? Oct 17 03:43:42 The BEST IDE IN THE WORLD Oct 17 03:43:46 ... >_> Oct 17 03:44:22 ahaha Oct 17 03:44:24 I guess we should start some wiki pages for Preware Gen2 requirements and architecture Oct 17 03:44:26 rwhitby: save something for Preware 3 Oct 17 03:44:38 preware 3: free kittens! Oct 17 03:45:27 REST! Oct 17 03:46:10 rwhitby: you mean on the redmine roadmap ? Oct 17 03:46:33 like version 2 of http://forums.precentral.net/webos-internals/219021-preware-feature-roadmap.html Oct 17 03:46:46 which is all there now Oct 17 03:46:47 haha Oct 17 03:47:08 oil: yeah, I guess so. Oct 17 03:49:06 well Oct 17 03:49:08 maybe more technical then that Oct 17 03:49:33 * haeffb has donated to the "Send oil away" fund. Oct 17 03:49:39 :) Oct 17 03:50:07 where are people sending oil ? Oct 17 03:50:16 devdays Oct 17 03:50:24 ah, how much would that cost ? Oct 17 03:50:31 * halfhalo voted for prison, but whatevs Oct 17 03:50:36 http://twitter.com/webosinternals/status/27603657847 Oct 17 03:50:59 neat Oct 17 03:51:07 oil: yeah, a post like that would be the input to the working session Oct 17 03:57:36 haeffb: found the chars allowed. It's actually in the events tab in ares Oct 17 03:58:36 there you go, just add a function to filter out the chars you don't want. Oct 17 03:59:01 well the event is the function Oct 17 04:07:09 haeffb: I like the idea and all but practically speaking. It doesn't work. Oct 17 04:07:30 http://pastebin.com/ePt6Tp0g Oct 17 04:07:59 or do I have to return true myself Oct 17 04:08:01 duh Oct 17 04:08:44 is the glass screen for palm pre 2 confirmed ? Oct 17 04:08:58 glass screen? Oct 17 04:09:16 not that I know of Oct 17 04:09:20 yea i read on a couple blogs they were speculating the screen on the pre 2 would be glass Oct 17 04:09:45 aside from it being obvious that it's different since it's flat, I haven't heard anything about the material Oct 17 04:10:53 im excited about the refinements to the original pre. It seems they have worked on all the bad pointed of the hardware. Oct 17 04:11:03 i love seeing a great design refined into perfection :) Oct 17 04:11:15 any news on the camera? Oct 17 04:11:46 25mp camera with 2040p definition Oct 17 04:11:53 takes 3d video too Oct 17 04:12:00 im curious to see if they do a simliar update on the pixi Oct 17 04:12:05 omg...just what I was hoping for...lol Oct 17 04:12:20 everything is better in 3d. just ask the film studios Oct 17 04:12:49 is it really another 3.1" screen Oct 17 04:14:53 techrush: pretty sure they are, a pixi sized device called "Broadway" got picked up in some logs, also sporting a non user replaceable battery Oct 17 04:15:08 Gotta love this glitch in ares where if you cut a widget and paste it again it concatenates 16 to the end of your left and top values Oct 17 04:15:36 SineOt, very interesting.... minus the non replaceable battery :[ Oct 17 04:15:59 eh... if nonreplaceable battery means that it can be made even smaller, then cool Oct 17 04:16:14 agreed Oct 17 04:16:24 idc about size I want life Oct 17 04:16:36 i'd like a bit more ram and cpu and the same or better form factor and ill be happy Oct 17 04:16:40 my bros iphone 4 can last more than a day on 25% battery Oct 17 04:17:06 yea battery life would be nice....got in a load of trouble with my GF last night because of my battery dying :) Oct 17 04:17:43 JenP: if the 1GHz processor is an OMAP3630, the camera interface block on that chip can do up to 8MP. Would depend on what sensor chip is used with it of course. 3MP to 8MP would be a bit of a jump. Oct 17 04:18:26 can't remember which device but lg's got a phone with 11mp Oct 17 04:18:34 i hope it's better. i miss my treo's camera Oct 17 04:18:48 "pictures are overrated" Oct 17 04:19:17 i was hoping for a bigger screen Oct 17 04:19:22 i miss the zoom button Oct 17 04:31:44 Hi everybody Oct 17 04:32:06 TROGDORRRRRRR Oct 17 04:32:16 the burninator? Oct 17 04:32:23 Burninating all the ppls Oct 17 04:32:39 I SAID CONSUMATE V's!!!!! Oct 17 04:32:44 :) Oct 17 04:33:00 My wife bean plasma cannon yesterday Oct 17 04:33:04 beat? Oct 17 04:34:11 hi Robdor Oct 17 04:34:34 Anivrom: What was her score? Oct 17 04:34:47 it was so high it broke the app Oct 17 04:35:09 Did she just spam shots through all of the levels? :) Oct 17 04:35:28 idk your app doesn't have high scores :P Oct 17 04:35:46 * halfhalo is on the hunt for a popcorn maker for work Oct 17 04:35:55 Yeah, it doesn't make much sense to have a leader board when you are trying to get a low score I've found. Oct 17 04:36:45 Once somebody completes all of the levels in as few shots as possible it can't get any lower than that. Oct 17 04:37:51 Roy-Pre101 tweeted that he completed it in 91 shots a few days ago. That beats my best score :$ Oct 17 04:38:30 Roy-Pre101: Are you around? Oct 17 04:38:58 * halfhalo has never played Oct 17 04:40:34 Robdor: Yep Oct 17 04:40:56 well, kinda. AFK for a bit. Oct 17 04:42:59 Roy-Pre101: Could you do me a favor that would help me out with my next Plasma Cannon update? Can you send me the user_data.mja file in com.robdor.plasmacannon on your device? It's just the score data and it would help to compare your score data to an upcoming feature in Plasma Cannon. Oct 17 04:43:16 halfhalo: You haven't played Plasma Cannon yet? Oct 17 04:43:26 nope Oct 17 04:43:32 All the cool kids are doing it Oct 17 04:43:38 * halfhalo isn't cool Oct 17 04:43:50 * Anivrom blames oil for halfhalo not being cool Oct 17 04:44:55 So it's oil that's stopping people from playing Plasma Cannon huh? Oct 17 04:45:32 * halfhalo is looking at popcorn stuff on amazon Oct 17 04:46:00 i wonder if amazon will make kindle for webos Oct 17 04:46:14 they did for berry, android and apple Oct 17 04:46:24 if/when there is a bigger screen, me thinks yes Oct 17 04:47:21 isn't blackberry phones screen smaller than the pre Oct 17 04:47:26 * oil has nothing to do with it Oct 17 04:47:32 I would like to see webos with at least a 4.0 screen Oct 17 06:13:45 hey peeps i just reinvented the list widget inside ares just so i could dynamically resize html widgets inside a scroller Oct 17 06:14:34 fun times Oct 17 06:15:00 apparently it is impossible to have dynamic size widgets inside a list Oct 17 06:15:07 can't be done from ares Oct 17 06:25:59 I have two buttons and I want to use the same button press handler for them. But I'm not sure how to directly access the button attributes. http://pastie.org/1227094 Oct 17 06:30:42 uho: what exactly are you trying to access? Oct 17 06:31:47 so you're defining your own properties n your buttonModel? Oct 17 06:32:31 right Oct 17 06:33:48 event.target.id would be the id of your button Oct 17 06:33:49 hm i didn't know you could define properties outside of what palm has set up Oct 17 06:33:54 i know there is other stuff in the event object Oct 17 06:34:17 oil can you do that? Oct 17 06:34:47 like for rowTap event, it gets event.item = the rows item from the model Oct 17 06:35:08 idk if just tap includes that for a button Oct 17 06:35:24 explore the event object for sure :) Oct 17 06:35:43 the properties...can you define your own in addition to palm's? Oct 17 06:35:53 properties? Oct 17 06:35:58 attributes? model? Oct 17 06:36:07 you can put whatever you want in there afaik Oct 17 06:36:19 but the widget code only reads certain values Oct 17 06:36:30 i dont know if the model for the button is passed to the handler or anything like that Oct 17 06:36:42 ah kk Oct 17 06:38:28 JenP: im going to tie your lumberjack docs into the main scene with a help toggle like we recently added to govnah Oct 17 06:38:41 awesome! Oct 17 06:38:52 i've been running it all day. trying to make sure i understand it all Oct 17 06:39:19 is the app catalog down for everyone else too Oct 17 06:39:53 whoolio: works for me Oct 17 06:40:02 thanks...very strange Oct 17 06:40:34 JenP: also working on adding "palm-worm" type graphs to it right now Oct 17 06:41:09 you'll have to explain that one to me after i finish with lumberjack Oct 17 06:41:31 i will Oct 17 06:41:39 smiles...cool Oct 17 06:42:26 thanks again for documentation help :) Oct 17 06:42:47 my pleasure...plus i always learn more that way Oct 17 07:03:48 oil: I couldn't find any documentation on event.target Oct 17 07:03:59 http://pastie.org/1227135. This is what event.target gave me (second line) Oct 17 07:04:01 not documentation Oct 17 07:04:15 just dump it to the logs and look whats there Oct 17 07:05:36 dump it? what do you mean by that Oct 17 07:06:19 whats up there is event.target/event.target.id/event.target.innerHTML Oct 17 07:07:09 Mojo.Log.error("---------------> event.target <----------------" + event.target) Oct 17 07:07:18 i think he means something like that... Oct 17 07:07:23 then look at it in your logs Oct 17 07:08:02 or in Lumberjack ;) Oct 17 07:08:13 totally in Lumberjack LOL Oct 17 07:08:16 thats what I did tho, its in the pastie Oct 17 07:10:33 i've never an error like that... Oct 17 07:10:38 Hi Adora! Oct 17 07:10:49 error like what? Oct 17 07:11:11 palm_anon_element_0mojo-scene-subjectSele Oct 17 07:11:12 ctMyButton-buttonLabel Oct 17 07:11:15 do like Oct 17 07:11:37 JenP: that's Mojo.Log.info("test: " + event.target.id); Oct 17 07:11:57 for (e in event) Mojo.Log.error(e+': '+event[e]); Oct 17 07:14:06 ahh cool, i'll check it out and get back to you. thanks Oct 17 07:14:31 or if you want to see whats in target Oct 17 07:14:45 for (e in event.target) Mojo.Log.error(e+': '+event.target[e]); Oct 17 07:23:59 oil here's the dump Oct 17 07:24:00 http://pastie.org/1227148 Oct 17 07:24:41 oil do you have lumberjack's ipk on github somewhere. I need to install it to the emu. so I can get screen shots Oct 17 07:25:11 oh found it Oct 17 07:25:40 :) Oct 17 07:25:57 hm got an error when i tried to pull it down with quick install Oct 17 07:26:12 JenP: install it with Preware Oct 17 07:26:25 http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/armv7/org.webosinternals.lumberjack_0.3.1_arm.ipk Oct 17 07:26:25 i don't have preware installed on the emu Oct 17 07:26:34 thanks Oct 17 07:26:40 oh, emu Oct 17 07:26:45 not sure what to look at Oct 17 07:26:50 easier for screen shots Oct 17 07:27:06 you'll want http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/i686/org.webosinternals.lumberjack_0.3.1_i686.ipk instead for the emu Oct 17 07:27:18 uho_: target should have id Oct 17 07:27:21 and you can palm-install http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/i686/org.webosinternals.preware_1.3.8_i686.ipk to the emu Oct 17 07:27:27 doesnt look like they send anything from the widget Oct 17 07:27:33 awesome thanks rod Oct 17 07:28:23 oil: that doesn't give me anything useful though Oct 17 07:28:38 the id would be the same as the button Oct 17 07:28:42 you would know which button was pressed Oct 17 07:30:28 oil: I get this [8:27:13.881283] info: palm_anon_element_0mojo-scene-subjectSelectMyBu Oct 17 07:30:28 Label Oct 17 07:31:09 oh, ares? Oct 17 07:31:15 * oil doesnt know ares stuff Oct 17 07:32:30 no not ares Oct 17 07:32:36 palm emu Oct 17 07:32:41 with eclipse Oct 17 07:39:12 what kind of weird name is that Oct 17 07:39:18 try srcElement Oct 17 07:39:20 .id Oct 17 07:40:58 oil does lumberjack work in Emu? Oct 17 07:41:04 i think Oct 17 07:41:08 never tried Oct 17 07:41:12 i'm not getting logs...just blank Oct 17 07:41:12 dont know why it wouldnt Oct 17 07:41:21 kk no worries i'll do screen shots on my phone Oct 17 07:41:32 * oil will test it out Oct 17 07:42:28 oil, same thing Oct 17 07:43:29 is that what you named your button? Oct 17 07:45:04 this.controller.setupWidget("MyButton", this.buttonAttributes, this.buttonModel); Oct 17 07:45:07 this.buttonModel = { "label" : "Button", "buttonClass" : "","semesterID" : "2011/spring/", "ID" : 1, "disabled" : false }; Oct 17 07:46:05 hm Oct 17 07:46:10 i dont know what to say Oct 17 07:46:55 basically my goal is this. I want to build a list such that each element will run the same function on click (the function using attributes of the list) Oct 17 07:49:48 with a list? Oct 17 07:49:58 i thought this was a button? Oct 17 07:52:36 sorry my internet connection went out, did anybody respond? Oct 17 07:53:27 i said i thought it was a button Oct 17 07:55:14 my examp is a button Oct 17 07:55:22 well thats different Oct 17 07:55:25 i just figured both would use the same logic to implement and button would be a good place to start Oct 17 07:55:31 use a list widget Oct 17 07:55:51 and listen for Mojo.Event.listTap Oct 17 07:56:06 http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/preware.git;a=blob;f=app/assistants/main-assistant.js;h=a9fd3682ba4185a217a5dec53bb7f25e4cce697b;hb=HEAD Oct 17 07:57:04 preware uses it, and event.item in the tap function recieves the item from the list model Oct 17 07:57:07 for the row which was tapped Oct 17 07:57:12 its different then a button Oct 17 09:02:50 oil:ping Oct 17 09:02:58 hey Oct 17 09:03:36 oil: i updated the lumberjack documentation...simple stuff so far. But please take a look and correct anything. Oct 17 09:03:43 time for me to go to bed. Oct 17 09:03:58 will do :) Oct 17 09:03:59 thanks Oct 17 09:04:23 np. nite all Oct 17 09:49:21 any idea why my code would stall on line 15? Oct 17 09:49:21 http://pastie.org/1227288 Oct 17 09:49:27 var cis = notGoingInDom.getElementById('ws-cis'); Oct 17 09:55:19 its weird because I don't get any error information. the code just doesn't get to the other checkpoints Oct 17 09:58:39 hm, Oct 17 09:59:55 what if try catch araound it? Oct 17 10:09:46 ah Oct 17 10:09:50 that helped give me information Oct 17 10:10:02 thanks Oct 17 10:10:31 [20101017-11:06:42.176260] error: TypeError: Object # has no Oct 17 10:10:31 method 'getElementById' Oct 17 10:10:51 I can't do DOM functions on a div? works okay in javascipt on a browser Oct 17 10:11:39 What would you like to do? Oct 17 10:11:51 select a div from within a div Oct 17 10:12:47 why don't you get it directly? Oct 17 10:13:03 this.controller.get('ws-cis') Oct 17 10:13:37 would you like to get the content or set it?´ Oct 17 10:13:41 yeah, this.controller.get Oct 17 10:14:10 oh, because the information I'm getting is from an ajax request. Oct 17 10:14:12 wait, what is notGoingInDom? Oct 17 10:14:22 I get that response and store it inside notGoingInDom Oct 17 10:15:28 http://pastie.org/1227325 <= whole file Oct 17 10:20:34 any ideas? Oct 17 10:21:41 getElementById must not be there if the element is not in the dom? Oct 17 10:22:14 yer Oct 17 10:24:19 here's the url http://courses.illinois.edu/cis/2010/fall/schedule. I can see the element in there. I'm wondering why the error says there is no method "getElementById" Oct 17 10:25:44 it means notGoingInDom doesn't have it Oct 17 10:28:24 ah, you're right Oct 17 10:28:31 I can't use that function, must use others. thanks! Oct 17 10:30:03 :) Oct 17 10:33:44 Okay cool, the parsing works now! Now I'm trying to figure out how to refresh the list after I've added the items Oct 17 10:35:17 modelChanged Oct 17 10:39:24 got it! Oct 17 10:39:37 oil, you are awesome savin my butt Oct 17 10:44:48 haha Oct 17 14:53:41 CollegeGameDay headed to Mizzou this weekend Oct 17 15:10:21 Have a good trip :) Oct 17 15:15:44 have fun haeffb Oct 17 15:16:28 nono not me. ESPN's College Gameday is coming to Columbia for MU-OU game on Saturday Oct 17 15:16:44 oh Oct 17 15:17:02 well nvrmind Oct 17 15:19:25 Why is it that every where I go I'm right outside the 4g coverage zone Oct 17 15:20:35 Any idea why code hangs on line 53? (a push statement) http://pastie.org/1227770 Oct 17 15:20:56 I tried to put it in a try/catch but the catch doesn't report anything Oct 17 15:21:47 It hates you? Oct 17 15:22:08 It hates a lot of people Oct 17 15:22:39 * halfhalo didn't really look since he is on phone Oct 17 15:23:46 =( Oct 17 15:24:12 * halfhalo is in the rain watching a soccer game Oct 17 15:25:39 :) Oct 17 15:26:03 So it hans on line 53 ? "forever" ? Oct 17 15:26:43 Foreva and eva and eva Oct 17 15:27:01 ever ever ever? Oct 17 15:27:09 hmm is that from a son? Oct 17 15:27:12 song* Oct 17 15:27:24 io feel it sounds lige somethink i have heard before? Oct 17 15:27:51 * halfhalo dunnos Oct 17 15:28:40 uho push? i have never used that? Oct 17 15:29:21 Can you push with an object? Or jus arrays? Oct 17 15:29:42 intuition says just arrays Oct 17 15:29:58 i don't believe an object would have push/pop methods. where would it put those elements? Oct 17 15:30:23 Well, prototype may add em Oct 17 15:30:40 that's silly, but perhaps Oct 17 15:30:46 But pure js is just arrays Oct 17 15:30:53 Prototype is silly Oct 17 15:31:11 any early access members in here? i'm having some trouble Oct 17 15:31:20 Mebe Oct 17 15:31:29 can i pm? Oct 17 15:31:30 YEs Oct 17 15:31:51 Depends on hw complexit iss, on phone Oct 17 15:32:07 Wow, that was full of fail Oct 17 15:32:36 heh, i didn't even see the typos until you mentioned it Oct 17 15:57:18 does govnah support boot profiles, mine always boots to some unknown profile...??? Oct 17 16:07:25 mine's been doing the same thing lately. it keeps its actual configuration though at 250/1000 Oct 17 16:10:10 has anyone tried putting a DatePicker in a list? Oct 17 16:11:53 in a list widget? Oct 17 16:11:56 no Oct 17 16:12:45 it's inside of a palm-group, inside of a list Oct 17 16:13:47 it works decently except the label, instead of being vertically centered it is on the bottom of the row item Oct 17 16:17:07 hi, is it possible to use webos on n900 ^ Oct 17 16:17:26 nuovodna: not likely Oct 17 16:17:46 maik: do you have class='label left' ? Oct 17 16:18:15 i don't Oct 17 16:18:51 in the date picker? Oct 17 16:18:58 div* Oct 17 16:24:08 nuovodna why would you? Oct 17 16:24:32 haeffb Oct 17 16:25:24 i have a n900 but i m not satisfied with Maemo 5...i m very fascinated by webos 2.0 (i love gnome technologies!) Oct 17 16:27:04 i don't think much of webos is really based on gnome :( Oct 17 16:27:35 Sorry, I'm trying out Textual -- I think I'm DougReeder using Textual and DougReeder_ using Colloquy. Oct 17 16:29:23 hi Oct 17 16:29:51 when will the webOS 2.0 update be available on the Pixi? Oct 17 16:33:45 v0n, i think palm has said before the end of the year they planned on having webos 2.0 out for current phones .. but i am not an authority on that Oct 17 16:33:46 nuovodna buy i webos device then ;) Oct 17 16:34:38 hotdp, you re right :D i m waiting for palm pre 2 Oct 17 16:35:10 good boy :P Oct 17 16:35:23 hey, does anyone have an example of a listTemplate? Oct 17 16:35:35 yes Oct 17 16:35:43

#{listElements}

<- didn't work for me Oct 17 16:35:43 http://webos101.com/List Oct 17 16:35:49 nuovodna: if you want though, jump into the developer site and grab the SDK, you can play with the emulator and get a feel for it Oct 17 16:35:56 that source is great uho Oct 17 16:36:12 ..I wish I had known about this like 10 hours ago LOL Oct 17 16:36:16 palms doc blows Oct 17 16:36:36 ;) webos101 is refferet to from palms site Oct 17 16:36:48 It learned me how to use list Oct 17 16:38:21 dun learned ya? Oct 17 17:39:07 it's a shame webOS don't automatically merge contact which has same phone number... i.e. one of my contact on my sim card and my friend's facebook profile with his (the same) phone number on it Oct 17 17:49:04 anybody know why this html isn't getting rendered within this list object? http://imgur.com/gozvu.png Oct 17 17:49:20 this is the relevant tag

#{location}

Oct 17 17:57:52 uho use #{-location} Oct 17 17:58:02 - for escaping html Oct 17 18:03:30 thanks! Oct 17 18:20:39 Question: how would I go about changing the tab index of text fields? Oct 17 18:23:57 Ah I see. Oct 17 18:24:01 That easy eh? Oct 17 19:16:20 weird... Oct 17 19:16:32 hi all Oct 17 19:16:58 108 piece lot of 'skater' tees (sizes range from medium to large) for like $50 shipped on ebay.. thats not a bad deal except you would have to wash them all Oct 17 19:17:44 40lbs of shirts Oct 17 19:18:44 that's a lot of shirts Oct 17 19:21:58 you can buy anything on ebay :P Oct 17 19:22:07 nk Oct 17 20:45:58 * Tibfib is getting bitten by arrays being passed by reference Oct 17 20:51:05 THE ARRAYS ARE ATTACKING THE ARRAYS ARE ATTACKING! Oct 17 20:52:17 oh noes! Oct 17 20:53:10 * halfhalo watches as oil gets attacked by circular references JSON objects Oct 17 20:53:22 that will never happen Oct 17 20:53:31 it JUST did Oct 17 20:56:08 dundunDUN Oct 17 20:57:49 question .... will it hose up your whole webOS install if you overwrite a file in an app directory in /media/cryptofs? i swapped out a .PNG file to do a real quick icon patch and my phone has not been the same since. Oct 17 20:58:06 * halfhalo dunnos Oct 17 20:58:37 i didn't really expect to get away with it but the icon swap "worked" Oct 17 20:58:42 swappin a png shouldn't really effect anything else Oct 17 20:59:33 i assume it's still an encrypted file even if it can be pulled off the device and viewed and appear to be normal ... Oct 17 20:59:48 you would be wrong Oct 17 21:00:04 its not encrypted Oct 17 21:00:09 oh? the PNG's in /media/cryptofs are completely in the clear? Oct 17 21:00:14 well Oct 17 21:00:19 it is while the phone is not on usb Oct 17 21:00:19 I do believe so Oct 17 21:00:35 yeah, when the phone is not in USB mode I'm pretty sure it's in the clear Oct 17 21:00:46 accessed with internals/etc Oct 17 21:00:47 because otherwise you wouldn't be able to use Internalz to read files stored in there Oct 17 21:01:11 well all the .js for my app and all the free apps i have installed appears to be in the clear Oct 17 21:01:33 but was not sure if it is completely free of any crypto artifacts ... Oct 17 21:01:35 I think it's only encrypted when the phone is put into USB mode Oct 17 21:02:23 yep, that webOS101.com is a nice site, hmm? :) Maybe you should go write some articles on it? Oct 17 21:02:34 * halfhalo hasen't looked at moho stuff in a while Oct 17 21:03:22 lol Oct 17 21:03:28 the reason i was skeptical is because a while back i wrote app screenshots for a PDK app into the app directory since /media/internal wasn't writable but when i pulled the screenshots off the phone they were bunk. had to write them to /tmp instead. Oct 17 21:04:34 Speaking of which... I'm writing an intro to programming on webOS using Ares article. What should my project be? It needs to be simple enough to finish in about 1500 words. Oct 17 21:05:06