**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Oct 20 02:59:56 2010 Oct 20 03:01:59 any opengl programmers hanging around? Oct 20 03:23:04 let's try tonight: If I wanted to change the command line that Eclipse uses to package/launch an app, where would I do that? Oct 20 03:27:28 go fish Oct 20 03:28:13 sugardave: do you mean the arguments java is supposed to use? or are you talking about the eclipse plugin for WebOS dev? Oct 20 03:29:33 woohoo, successfully converted an OpenGL example intended for one platform to run on WebOS Oct 20 03:29:44 its a christmas miracle! Oct 20 03:44:36 summatusmentis: the plugin Oct 20 03:44:45 I want to modify how palm-package is run Oct 20 03:45:19 phil_bw: wtg! Oct 20 03:45:33 :) Oct 20 03:45:42 this OpenGL stuff is complicated Oct 20 03:53:04 if sprint doesnt get the new pre 2 im gonna cry :( Oct 20 03:54:04 blah.. I don't want to go to Verizon... Oct 20 03:54:12 i wont Oct 20 03:54:14 my new place has crap for sprint signal though Oct 20 03:54:18 too expensive imo Oct 20 03:54:19 Sig hrm, I don't know Oct 20 03:54:36 I'm hoping the Pre2 is comms board compatible Oct 20 03:54:43 man, didn't even realize that Sprint has a new 3G Airrave Oct 20 03:54:58 do want :C Oct 20 03:55:02 an airrave would be nice... Oct 20 03:55:11 too bad I don't have my own internet anymore Oct 20 03:55:25 I thought Pre/Pixi could play 720p.... Oct 20 03:55:30 someone in another apartment not far from this one has a pretty quick connection though... Oct 20 03:55:34 but no? Oct 20 03:55:38 just VGA? Oct 20 03:55:53 sugardave: the eclipse plug will eventually have to call palm-something. grep the scipts for that? Oct 20 03:55:57 yeah, the decoder chip maxes at 640x640 I think Oct 20 03:56:16 Bmyers: I have, but I fear it's all being handled by compiled Java classes Oct 20 03:56:37 well I have a black and white triangle on my screen, I'd say my work is done for the night... Oct 20 03:56:39 * phil_bw wanders off Oct 20 03:56:40 what is it that you want to change? Oct 20 03:56:46 huh! mystery 415 phone call, which is in SF Oct 20 03:57:19 SineOt: might be Palm calling! Oct 20 03:57:56 boo, far less interesting :C Oct 20 03:58:18 political auto dialers! Oct 20 03:58:39 that's no fun Oct 20 04:01:42 yeah, really. I'm on your list because I support the stuff anyways, you don't need to call me at 8:30 to remind me about it :T Oct 20 04:05:19 SineOt: I asked the lady nicely the last time to remove me from their list and it appears to have worked Oct 20 04:05:28 they were calling me daily for a while too Oct 20 04:05:33 it's an auto dialer Oct 20 04:05:40 oh Oct 20 04:05:41 it's just a pre recorded message Oct 20 04:05:45 well you're screwed Oct 20 04:05:49 :) Oct 20 05:12:47 vodka for everybody! Oct 20 05:12:52 yay! Oct 20 05:29:36 morning Oct 20 05:30:10 morning Oct 20 07:14:23 anyone got an AT&T Pre Plus ? Oct 20 07:54:48 nope Oct 20 08:47:05 good morning Oct 20 08:47:30 Hello Oct 20 08:48:08 Anyone know how to get iScroll to work on webOS? Oct 20 11:26:10 Sprint: "I understand you want to upgrade your phone to Palm Pre 2. Since this Oct 20 11:26:10 device is not available to our customers, I am unable provide the Oct 20 11:26:10 details you requested. We hope we will be offering this device to our Oct 20 11:26:10 customer very soon. Once this device is available to our Customer, you Oct 20 11:26:10 will find product and pricing details on Sprint.com and in promotional Oct 20 11:26:11 information at our retail stores. We encourage you to watch news reports Oct 20 11:26:13 or monitor our web site to see if a change in availability occurs." Oct 20 11:27:01 It appears from this response that I'm the only customer they have left... Oct 20 12:31:21 thats funny haeffb , but i am a semi-happy sprint/evo customer Oct 20 12:32:36 so you're not the last one Oct 20 12:56:35 afternoon Oct 20 12:56:43 greetings from warsaw, poland Oct 20 13:02:42 hey swisstomcat , pick me up some good polish sausage will ya? Oct 20 13:04:08 hehe Oct 20 13:04:43 swisstomcat: what r u doing up there anyway? Oct 20 13:05:01 going to the front-trends conference .. speaking about webOS (www.front-trends.com) Oct 20 13:06:51 good for you. enjoy it!! Oct 20 13:07:42 i will .. first time speaking at a conference for me :) Oct 20 13:08:06 easy as cake.. nothing to it Oct 20 13:19:04 i've prepared a cool presentation .. in html5 :) Oct 20 13:34:47 so all .. my brother in law gave me a palm pre (Sprint) only thing not working is at the bottom when you swipe to left it dosen't go back i think and trackpad scrolling is hard .. im going to check his warranty band put it on craigslist if anyone is interested .. im on ATT Oct 20 13:47:54 morning roy-pre101 Oct 20 13:48:37 morning! Oct 20 13:48:43 Evening! Oct 20 13:49:28 Bah, I need to find a roommate for Dev Day now. Oct 20 13:50:02 swisstomcat: Can you look over a draft article I'm writing? Oct 20 13:50:13 sure Oct 20 13:50:25 i'm in warsaw until friday Oct 20 13:51:21 to @inorbit? Oct 20 14:01:06 hi there Oct 20 14:01:22 hi Oct 20 14:01:50 <[AD]Turbo> from the PDK, is it possible to access directly to the framebuffer (/dev/fb) ? Oct 20 14:09:33 im goling to post in other room ok Oct 20 14:09:37 don't get all mad and crazy Oct 20 14:10:42 Anyone know how to access the google maps API that gets loaded into Ares when you add a map widget? It's not available in the global namespace for some reason. Oct 20 14:12:16 hi family Oct 20 14:13:40 i might be able to help, roy-pre101 Oct 20 14:51:39 any opengl expert out there? Oct 20 14:51:59 or at least with some knowledge? (not like me...) Oct 20 14:53:50 not me Oct 20 14:54:49 hehe Oct 20 14:54:55 driving me mad... Oct 20 14:55:29 did you check webos101.com .. i thought there was a tutorial Oct 20 14:56:14 there a web address or a place i can check warranty on a palm pre ? Oct 20 15:19:43 morning Oct 20 15:19:57 mornin' Oct 20 15:20:01 greetings from warsaw Oct 20 15:20:10 Poland again? Oct 20 15:20:13 what's going on? Oct 20 15:20:57 front-trends conference Oct 20 15:21:23 wait a second...did that already happen, or is this a bi-weekly thing? :D Oct 20 15:24:10 nah, it didn't happen yet Oct 20 15:24:14 i talked about it tho Oct 20 15:24:26 ah, I was confused...cool, sounds fun Oct 20 15:24:47 my big appearance will be tomorrow morning Oct 20 15:24:56 first public speaking at a conference :) Oct 20 15:25:04 good luck! Oct 20 15:25:30 thanks, i can use it Oct 20 15:25:58 just remember, they're geeks like you :D Oct 20 15:27:03 yeah, i should be fine Oct 20 15:27:13 i have a cool presentation (in html5) :) Oct 20 15:27:20 sweet :D Oct 20 15:27:20 swisstomcat: ohh Oct 20 15:27:36 my first conference appearance was in sweden Oct 20 15:28:11 i think i know you! Oct 20 15:28:13 tim? Oct 20 15:28:26 caswell Oct 20 15:28:38 yep Oct 20 15:28:44 we met at jsconf.eu Oct 20 15:28:48 in berlin Oct 20 15:28:51 awesome Oct 20 15:29:03 and now i'm at front-trends speaking! what a big step :) Oct 20 15:30:16 good luck Oct 20 15:30:35 thanks Oct 20 15:30:47 i'm excited Oct 20 15:30:52 i'll talk about webOS Oct 20 15:32:44 so, I went to bed last night after fighting with xpath, and then proceeded to dream about coding for WebOS Oct 20 15:34:28 hehe Oct 20 15:35:12 I think it's HP/Palm subliminal messaging trying to tell me not to go to grad school Oct 20 15:43:15 hah Oct 20 15:43:42 i've been fighting with dumbass webview for a few days Oct 20 15:43:49 lame Oct 20 15:44:11 what's the prob? Oct 20 15:53:54 swisstomcat: if you tap a link in webview that has a target on the anchor tag, it doesn't let you open it in the webview Oct 20 15:54:16 swisstomcat: you get an event with data, but the only way to make that link work is to pass that data to the browser app manually Oct 20 15:54:33 the browser has some way of resolving the event data to a url that can't be done in webview Oct 20 15:54:34 :( Oct 20 15:54:46 http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=9412&p=44106#p44106 Oct 20 15:54:48 hrmm Oct 20 15:54:51 strange Oct 20 15:55:34 very Oct 20 15:55:56 <- ncavesoft Oct 20 16:01:34 morning chuqi Oct 20 16:01:41 and greetings from warsaw, poland Oct 20 16:15:42 bbl Oct 20 16:21:56 crap, reboot time Oct 20 16:35:11 rehi Oct 20 16:45:59 sugardave: d'you mind looking at how I'm parsing xml and tell me if I'm being stupid? Oct 20 16:46:41 both things, I don't know.... :P Oct 20 16:46:51 hang on a minute, I have to fix this phone charger Oct 20 16:47:24 sure ;) Oct 20 16:48:00 or if anyone else cares, my code is http://pastebin.ca/1968197 and the output of the xml call (gotten through curl) is at http://pastebin.ca/1968198 Oct 20 16:48:53 how do I kill my ghost again? Oct 20 16:49:12 you use /msg nickserv ghost Oct 20 16:49:21 you might actually need the nick in there at some point too Oct 20 16:49:23 I'm not sure Oct 20 16:49:54 yep, sorry, /msg nickserv ghost Oct 20 16:50:26 thanks Oct 20 16:51:48 dohtem`: you still need to change your nick once you ghost your other one Oct 20 16:51:51 FYI Oct 20 16:54:14 the hell? Oct 20 16:54:44 I just got 19 dollars from app sales... Oct 20 16:55:05 wee? Oct 20 16:55:19 * halfhalo never put it in the appcat Oct 20 16:55:20 I was hoping to get my app out before Pre2 is available in the US Oct 20 16:55:24 I don't think this is going to happen Oct 20 16:57:16 Yup, its still web only, and I think its broken at that... Oct 20 17:07:53 crappy wifi Oct 20 17:13:25 summatusmentis: okay, so I'm just starting to look, are you getting expected log output for thisNode.textContent? Oct 20 17:14:00 no, anything after line 10 isn't producing any log output Oct 20 17:14:13 k Oct 20 17:14:37 but line 8 is showing you the resultType? Oct 20 17:15:08 yes, 4 Oct 20 17:15:11 k Oct 20 17:15:36 let me ponder and compare, this might take a while :D Oct 20 17:16:01 heh Oct 20 17:20:44 sugardave: from what I've gathered, I'm assuming it means my xpath is wrong Oct 20 17:22:46 summatusmentis: well, that may be...but I'm also seeing a difference from what I did (not that I'm an expert)...I have created another var that is the result of .parseFromString and then run .createExpression(xpathString, null) on it Oct 20 17:23:19 do you still have my pastebin from yesterday? Oct 20 17:23:20 what is createExpression()? Oct 20 17:23:29 something I needed to do :D Oct 20 17:23:30 yeah, somewhere Oct 20 17:24:34 so basically, you create a string for the xpath and use it with this .createExpression method on the result of parsing the DOM Oct 20 17:24:42 THEN you evaluate against it Oct 20 17:25:24 interesting Oct 20 17:25:25 hrm Oct 20 17:25:43 and I used a different result type Oct 20 17:25:50 ORDERED_NODE_SNAPSHOT_TYPE Oct 20 17:26:13 do the result types matter? Oct 20 17:27:51 summatusmentis: I think so, it presents the results differently Oct 20 17:27:53 http://webos.pastebin.com/QxsnbuBX Oct 20 17:27:57 take another look here Oct 20 17:28:11 lines 13-15 Oct 20 17:28:50 yeah, hrm Oct 20 17:29:26 alright, thanks Oct 20 17:30:28 container is just the xpath string Oct 20 17:30:49 right Oct 20 17:30:54 hrm Oct 20 17:31:05 let me paste that plist file so you can see how it matches Oct 20 17:32:37 part of the xml I'm getting has html embedded in it, can I just pull that out and use it? is that possible? Oct 20 17:32:44 I need to remove some stuff, one moment Oct 20 17:32:52 summatusmentis: sure, you can just run a regexp on it Oct 20 17:33:02 * halfhalo has to find his easy xml parsing method to show you guys Oct 20 17:33:06 no xpath needed! Oct 20 17:33:25 halfhalo: how are you doing it? Oct 20 17:33:54 IIRC (its been a while since I looked at the code), with dom stuff Oct 20 17:33:59 its much easier than xpath Oct 20 17:34:08 hrm Oct 20 17:34:30 brb Oct 20 17:35:34 summatusmentis: here's a single entry version of the plist file my thing works against: http://webos.pastebin.com/wUz6Sc5e Oct 20 17:36:11 in this case, it's pretty simple, it's always a followed by the value Oct 20 17:36:31 so that's why you see me checking % 2 === 0 to get the property value when I am looping through the results Oct 20 17:37:53 sugardave: sure, that makes sense Oct 20 17:38:24 the killer here was getting the write xpath string Oct 20 17:38:29 s/write/right/ Oct 20 17:39:12 Templarian: hey Oct 20 17:39:28 sugardave: yeah, I'm only kind of folliwng that, but that's ok Oct 20 17:39:39 dohtem: hey. Oct 20 17:39:42 Hi, I just joined this because I want dev feedback on whether or not it's even worth my time to post my idea on a forum Oct 20 17:39:44 dohtem: no. Oct 20 17:39:49 anybody care to entertain me? Oct 20 17:40:00 :( Oct 20 17:40:52 summatusmentis: xpath is comprised of types, axes, and operators...let me see if I can dig up the reference I used Oct 20 17:41:22 sugardave: I've been using the w3c reference Oct 20 17:41:29 yeah, that's the one :D Oct 20 17:41:34 heh Oct 20 17:41:42 Templarian: you present that bus app yet? Oct 20 17:42:04 summatusmentis: check this, too: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms256471.aspx Oct 20 17:42:14 dohtem: that was my friend matt's application, he presented yesterday. Oct 20 17:42:35 PickleFart: what's your idea? Oct 20 17:42:35 sugardave: I've come across that on google Oct 20 17:43:10 summatusmentis: this one shows some simple examples of what xpath will match: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms256086.aspx Oct 20 17:43:29 Templarian: I'm at the SF one now. Oct 20 17:43:56 dohtem: he's at the chicago one. It is 2 days. Oct 20 17:44:31 2 of the other devs went so one of them should have a video. Oct 20 17:44:33 summatusmentis: Im doing something similar to the example on this page http://www.w3schools.com/dom/dom_methods.asp Oct 20 17:44:34 sugardave: thanks, I appreciate it Oct 20 17:44:40 But better Oct 20 17:44:50 thanks sugardave. I have a couple of ideas for simple apps (seems simple to me, anyway) that I'd like to see made. I have no knowledge of how or time to do it myself, but would gladly pay for someone else to make a paid app that does these functions. My idea for a reward system to accomplish this would be that people who wish for an app to be made outline their idea and contributes funds toward the idea. The funds are held by Oct 20 17:45:07 make the app. That trusted group/individual would have to do some administrative work to determine whether the app is possible and the funds contributed are acceptable given the amount of work required for the app. In return for the administrative work, they take some small cut from the funds and deliver the rest to the dev. Oct 20 17:45:21 mmmm, bounties Oct 20 17:45:23 I like it Oct 20 17:45:35 halfhalo: oh, that's the stuff I've been seeing mixed in to the xml searching I'm doing Oct 20 17:46:06 No xpath needed Oct 20 17:46:27 And much easier to read Oct 20 17:46:27 And or write Oct 20 17:46:47 summatusmentis: remember that halfhalo also hates callbacks, so, yeah.... ;) Oct 20 17:47:09 well, I mean... :) Oct 20 17:47:12 I'm sure a bajillion people have thought of that before, so why hasn't it been done Oct 20 17:47:45 Hey, callbacks hate me back! Oct 20 17:48:12 Although they are behaving nicely in my current project right now Oct 20 17:48:18 PickleFart: getting inrastructure to manage it, getting the "trust" set up, etc....but I still like the idea, some Drupal modules get made that way Oct 20 17:48:28 PickleFart: to some extent, the idea of bounties already has been done Oct 20 17:48:40 usually it's "I want to see x feature, and I'll pay x amount" Oct 20 17:48:58 summatusmentis is correct, Elance kind of works like that Oct 20 17:49:56 I've seen it used in open source communitis a fair amount Oct 20 17:50:28 * sugardave thinks about how to use Chip In or whatever it's called. Oct 20 17:50:48 are you talking about with WebOS? The contests are wonderful and I'm sure that devs listen to requests posted in forums when they decide what to make, but currently I don't see where those guys who post on forums "I would gladly pay to have such an app made"...can actually do so. Oct 20 17:51:06 PickleFart: no, for me just in general Oct 20 17:51:16 I just see it used elsewhere Oct 20 17:51:30 also, often times, the way I see it is just centered in a forum thread Oct 20 17:52:55 PickleFart: there isn't a specific bounty system for webOS apps yet....some Precentral threads give us ideas for apps that a number of people seem interested in, but that's no guarantee of getting paid for it ;) Elance, freelancer.com, et al are good for when you have an app idea that YOU want to sell, but don't know how to make and can get a freelancer to do it for you, but you foot the cost of development and make it back (hypothe Oct 20 17:53:30 PickleFart: I say, post your idea at the developer forum and/or Precentral and see what happens :D Oct 20 17:56:19 Okay I will do so. I would think that if one of the major websites or major dev groups took on the administration task, it might work and actually make sure devs are paid for the app *gasp*... Oct 20 17:56:51 * halfhalo doesn't trust those large organizations Oct 20 17:57:06 I wonder about an escrow service, where people can put money into a pool, and then it'll "timeout" if the deliverable hasn't been met Oct 20 17:57:42 isn't there one of those tipjar/chipin type things where I could say "Alright, I'm going to make this app if people donate THIS much"? Oct 20 17:57:44 thanks all. Oct 20 17:58:34 do I smell a... PickleFart Oct 20 17:58:39 lol Oct 20 18:01:37 Okay I posted it, thanks again. Oct 20 18:07:45 CTLAdvance|2: Any chance I inspired you to add to your soundboard? Oct 20 18:15:28 new mac OS X/mission control reminds me of WebOS Oct 20 18:29:29 new macbook air today Oct 20 18:29:41 I was really hoping for either a much lower price, or a different cpu config Oct 20 18:29:43 oh well Oct 20 18:29:49 I don't need a new laptop anyways Oct 20 18:29:54 so my hoping was silly Oct 20 18:31:16 alexfner: if it would fold back int a tablet, I'd be all over it Oct 20 18:32:26 meh, we're a few years away from that Oct 20 18:32:35 tablet os and regular os will have to converge before that happens Oct 20 18:33:24 alexfner: did you see the demo of 10.7? Oct 20 18:34:46 I did not Oct 20 18:34:55 it's getting closer to iOS though, I'd assume Oct 20 18:37:46 quite a bit, actually, in a way that reminds me a lot of webos gestures Oct 20 18:44:12 Jobs doesnt believe in touch screen monitors Oct 20 18:44:22 so you have multi touch track pads Oct 20 18:44:39 and thats it Oct 20 18:45:05 i've had a laptop with a touch screen and it's not all it's cracked up to be Oct 20 18:45:18 I like it Oct 20 18:45:42 they're absolutely right when they say your arms get tired after having it up for a while. touch surfaces are meant to be horizontal if you're using them for any extended amount of time Oct 20 18:46:05 I thinksits good to have both Oct 20 18:46:14 I agree it wouldnt be for extended use Oct 20 18:46:43 But overall I preffer the option of a touch screen over track pad Oct 20 18:47:50 Both would be best Oct 20 18:53:03 http://www.apple.com/macbookair/design.html watch the video Oct 20 18:53:07 specifically the spot about touch Oct 20 18:53:16 they don't just make this shit up Oct 20 18:54:10 Ive owned a tablet PC for 2 years now Oct 20 18:56:19 I can swivel the screen around and use it horizontally Oct 20 18:56:28 That would have been awesome Oct 20 18:57:01 sure, a tablet would be pretty cool Oct 20 18:57:18 you could tape an iPad to the top of an Air and call it good Oct 20 18:57:22 lol Oct 20 18:57:24 hah Oct 20 18:57:27 hah Oct 20 18:59:06 hey mac fan boys, i need a mac utility (gui) that searches files for text like agent ransack used to do for me on the windows side. Can you suggest anything? Oct 20 18:59:08 A tablet would have killed their ipad market Oct 20 18:59:41 universal search> Oct 20 18:59:42 ? Oct 20 18:59:48 or whatever its called? Oct 20 18:59:50 Spotlight? :I Oct 20 18:59:55 bingo! Oct 20 18:59:59 Bmyers: grep Oct 20 19:00:14 yeah grep but not in terminal Oct 20 19:00:23 spotlight will do that? Oct 20 19:00:28 Spotlight or just the Finder search dialog Oct 20 19:00:32 not as nicely as you would like i don't think Oct 20 19:00:33 yup Oct 20 19:00:48 well, yeah. It can search files for text content Oct 20 19:00:52 like show me the line number in a file that my search appears? Oct 20 19:01:26 no, it'll show you file in which it appears though Oct 20 19:02:24 if you already know the file, just open it with something like TextWrangler (real nice, and free) and search for the text and you can get the line number Oct 20 19:03:25 ok, common programmer tool. i thought someone might have had something they could suggest Oct 20 19:03:26 thx Oct 20 19:07:38 does anyone know of a great tutorial on passing user data scene to scene? like a cookie. Oct 20 19:08:53 weboshelp.net has some great tuts, but hasnt been updated in a while Oct 20 19:09:54 checked webos101.com? Oct 20 19:11:10 I will Oct 20 19:11:21 I want to make more sophisticated apps that save a user's preference, like sound or something Oct 20 19:11:22 It's time. Oct 20 19:11:24 =] Oct 20 19:11:38 have you looked at cookies? Oct 20 19:11:58 haeffb: what you think? http://webos101.com/User:Sugardave#Using_Callbacks_Effectively Oct 20 19:12:04 global name spaces, that sort of thing Oct 20 19:12:13 I love that people are selling Verizon Pixi+ with bad ESNs for like... 110$ on ebay Oct 20 19:12:17 yes, i plan to use cookies Oct 20 19:12:23 it is the only way i can store data from a user Oct 20 19:12:32 t8: untrue Oct 20 19:12:35 really? Oct 20 19:12:36 you have depot and sqlite Oct 20 19:12:49 on a website, i can save a user's info in a cookie, and then grab his/her preferences from a mysql db Oct 20 19:12:52 can i use sqlite? Oct 20 19:12:53 okay Oct 20 19:13:34 but for user prefs, a cookie and a global work well Oct 20 19:13:47 when a user starts an pp, i want to save some simple things... definitely nothing a db needs Oct 20 19:13:48 okay Oct 20 19:13:52 yeah, preference data should be in cookies, as long as it is less than 4K Oct 20 19:13:57 did y'all see this mac apps thing for lion? Oct 20 19:14:05 10.7 is a first step to locking down the mac imo Oct 20 19:14:06 what's a mac? Oct 20 19:14:09 heh Oct 20 19:14:27 (love'n my macbook pro right now) Oct 20 19:14:35 dual screen was a breeze Oct 20 19:14:48 plug in another monitor, done... Oct 20 19:14:54 1 giant desktop Oct 20 19:15:43 yeah, but I don't think it's going to be the "first step to locking down the mac" Oct 20 19:15:49 When I update an app, does anyone know how long it takes for the screenshots to be updated? Oct 20 19:15:55 because there's a lot of apps that would never function in the app market place Oct 20 19:16:05 with its 70/30 profit split Oct 20 19:16:09 (photoshop) Oct 20 19:16:15 SineOtter: I agree... it'll be the best, not the only place, to buy them... Oct 20 19:16:37 It only leaves big guys.. right now i use google to find a simple utility but the apps store will make it simpler to find tested and legit stuff Oct 20 19:17:03 maybe the first step to locking down Apple apps, since iLife could easily be moved to running entirely within that and use the Fairplay app DRM stuff Oct 20 19:17:11 but there's always going to be a market for apps outside of it Oct 20 19:17:23 and even if it did lock down, I'm sure that we'd see jailbreaks for it Oct 20 19:17:34 since hell, there's even a jailbreak for the appleTV now Oct 20 19:17:50 still can't actually launch any apps, but it's jailbroken! Oct 20 19:18:13 i hope the mac is never locked down Oct 20 19:18:48 sugardave: your thing on callbacks is awesome, and as a "beginning javascript developer" it really makes it easy to understand them Oct 20 19:19:47 SineOtter: cool, thanks for the look Oct 20 19:20:12 When I update an app, does anyone know how long it takes for the screenshots to be updated? Oct 20 19:25:17 give a detailed description of how the callback sync thing works... sugardave Oct 20 19:25:39 hehe, you mean that last section? I removed that code Oct 20 19:25:47 Synchronize is hard Oct 20 19:26:02 well if it was easy..... Oct 20 19:26:04 I could only make it "work" sometimes and only in single-stage Oct 20 19:26:16 really, only in single stage? Oct 20 19:26:33 yeah, but I'm not 100% sure that I had it right to begin with Oct 20 19:26:48 i tried getting it to work in my one of my multistage apps. no - va Oct 20 19:26:55 yeah Oct 20 19:27:08 hmm. Oct 20 19:27:40 the docs on Synchronize are, um, lacking in the detailed explanation/usage department Oct 20 19:28:04 they apez book had an example Oct 20 19:28:07 apex Oct 20 19:28:09 I found it way easier to implement the callback/fallback system on my db calls Oct 20 19:28:50 the apex book? Oct 20 19:28:52 but sometimes, you need to wait for something form the db before going on to the next scene or something Oct 20 19:29:26 Bmyers: I'm about to demonstrate the power of anonymous functions as callbacks Oct 20 19:29:30 yeah book. it's an older technology that used dead trees with words printed on the pages Oct 20 19:30:25 Legal documents can be WAY hard to wade through and make sense of sometimes :T Oct 20 19:32:48 * SineOtter is trying to figure out if using Palm media images of phones for a simFinger overlay for making YouTube videos would be allowed or not! Oct 20 19:33:04 apress.. not apex..sorry Oct 20 19:33:43 Bmyers: did it work? Oct 20 19:33:58 "for promotion or advertising of any product or service other than the editorial product into which the Content is incorporated;" YouTube app demo: Promotion/advertising of content, or editoral depicting content? Oct 20 19:34:03 what? Oct 20 19:34:33 the synchronize example Oct 20 19:35:11 not in my multistage app but it looked real impressive Oct 20 19:35:16