**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Oct 21 02:59:58 2010 Oct 21 03:00:01 execute multiple instances of node? Oct 21 03:00:05 yup Oct 21 03:01:11 oic Oct 21 03:04:14 So, nobody here uses metrix? Oct 21 03:25:42 rwhitby: just thought I'd let you know that my palm pre is still not starting with the chosen profile.. :( Oct 21 03:26:05 xbonesx: what version of UberKernel do you have installed? Oct 21 03:26:20 1.4.5 Oct 21 03:26:55 1.4.5-??? Oct 21 03:40:33 rwhitby: sry had to tend to the girlfriend, 119 is the version number Oct 21 03:40:50 * halfhalo registered for dev days, but his hotel is looking to be pricey due to cab Oct 21 03:51:22 for developers what are the real benefits of traveling to ny for this event? Oct 21 03:51:34 fun Oct 21 03:51:59 if you have to pay your own way Oct 21 03:56:16 lemketron: Coming to the dev day or won't they let you out of your dungeon? Oct 21 03:58:06 Deihmos: I wouldn't go - you might have to listen to me if you do. Oct 21 03:58:13 lol Oct 21 03:58:23 ooohhhh... LAX to newark... Oct 21 03:58:36 i live in nyc Oct 21 03:59:18 Deihmos: $25 for two days of Palm goodness then. Oct 21 03:59:38 i nah. I don't develop anything but financial statements Oct 21 04:00:04 just go for the food, beer and freebies then Oct 21 04:00:14 work Oct 21 04:00:32 thought you would need to a developer to go Oct 21 04:00:40 rwhitby: sry had to tend to the girlfriend, 119 is the version number Oct 21 04:03:30 xbonesx: ok, what exactly are you experiencing with -119 then? Oct 21 04:06:15 * halfhalo hasn't devved an app in a long time but is trying togo Oct 21 04:07:16 rwhitby: the phone still doesnt start with the chosen profile, it starts with a unknown one with 500mhz across the board Oct 21 04:07:59 xbonesx: do you have it plugged into a charger, or is the battery low? Oct 21 04:08:12 not when i restart no Oct 21 04:10:30 and you've done a complete device shutdown and reboot since installing -119 ? Oct 21 04:10:41 and then gone into Govnah and selected a profile to make it sticky? Oct 21 04:13:58 so you want me to completely turn the phone off as in hold the power button until i get reset options then choose shutdown, or choose restart? cuz i choose restart with the device off the charger with 100% battery then let it boot still have the unknown profiloe chosen Oct 21 04:14:00 Who was the one that's making that online stuff? Oct 21 04:14:53 halfhalo? Oct 21 04:15:04 mebe Oct 21 04:15:08 It is! Oct 21 04:15:12 How's that going? Oct 21 04:15:23 slowly Oct 21 04:15:34 heh Oct 21 04:15:34 shifted priorities Oct 21 04:15:38 Ah I see Oct 21 04:15:40 Alright Oct 21 04:16:00 I'm just considering waiting for the new Metrix and using that Oct 21 04:16:01 xbonesx: reboot is reboot. complete shutdown. Oct 21 04:16:06 But I'm trying to figure it out Oct 21 04:16:11 ok ill do so Oct 21 04:16:34 I was consitering rebranding KSO Oct 21 04:16:47 but that project failed after a few weeks Oct 21 04:16:50 So now I'm stuck Oct 21 04:21:56 so ive done a shutdown, started the phone, chose my profile, and now i need to do a reboot??? Oct 21 04:22:05 rwhitby:? Oct 21 04:31:32 no Oct 21 04:31:48 does the profile stick now? Oct 21 04:33:25 stick? as in when i click it, it works while on the phone? yes... but if i restart the phone it doesnt stay set to that profile Oct 21 04:36:11 with -119 it should Oct 21 04:36:32 if not, delete your /var/log/messages file, reboot the phone, then send me the /var/log/messages file Oct 21 04:36:46 rwhitby: or govnah beta support email :) Oct 21 04:37:13 oil: that won't show if there's another race condition bug, but yes I'll be asking for that too later :) Oct 21 04:37:15 ok Oct 21 04:38:30 after deleting, do i need to be off the charger when i reboot or shutdown? Oct 21 04:39:54 ya read you message... reboot it is Oct 21 04:43:57 ping oil Oct 21 04:46:08 rwhitby: http://paste.ubuntu.com/517209/ Oct 21 04:48:57 halfhalo: ? Oct 21 04:49:16 rwhitby: we should add raw log cleaning and attaching to email/pastebining to lumberjack Oct 21 04:52:19 xbonesx: 2010-06-14T16:44:30.104888Z [17] palm-webos-device kern.warning kernel: [ 17.280000] setting new policy for CPU 0: 500000 - 1000000 kHz Oct 21 04:53:27 xbonesx: looks like it's running 500/1000 Oct 21 04:54:55 don't see any other kernel changes after that. so when you open govnah, it will show that it's running 500/1000 (assuming you have a profile that matches that) Oct 21 04:57:16 I'm surprised at the lack of good GIT GUI app. Oct 21 04:58:17 rwhitby: i have a userspace, min 500, set 1ghz, max 1ghz, changed the core voltage down two notches for 1ghz and 500mhz, 32 compache Oct 21 04:58:39 userspace? Oct 21 04:59:09 if you select userspace, webOS controls the frequencies, not you. Oct 21 04:59:32 no wonder you're running 500/500, cause that's what LunaSysMgr will select unless you're running a PDK game Oct 21 04:59:58 so what do i need to make for a profile? Oct 21 05:00:04 xbonesx: have a read of the help text in Govnah for the governor selection Oct 21 05:02:04 the wiki page? Oct 21 05:02:12 or when you click the uberkernel icon? Oct 21 05:03:01 click on the blue question mark in the govnah advanced settings Oct 21 05:03:48 wow i didnt even see that, been looking right over it, doing some reading now Oct 21 05:07:09 has anyone used the conservative gov much? I was fiddling with it and it seems hard to find a good mix between performance and power saving Oct 21 05:07:10 so if i were to chose screenstate then restart that would work? but because im using userspace lunasysmgr is setting it too what it wants when it boots? Oct 21 05:07:20 yep Oct 21 05:07:29 (without ending up with like a 40 load average) Oct 21 05:07:33 yep to me rwhitby? Oct 21 05:07:45 yep Oct 21 05:10:00 is there a way to get govnah to ignore the charger being plugged in? Oct 21 05:10:16 on the screenstate gov.? Oct 21 05:10:20 xbonesx: keep reading the help text Oct 21 05:10:36 ok Oct 21 05:14:00 created a screenstate 500/1000 and then rebooted, started with the unknown profile again... Oct 21 05:14:07 rwhitby:? Oct 21 05:14:20 Mine restarted with an unknown every time Oct 21 05:14:29 CTLAdvance: with Uber -119 ? Oct 21 05:14:46 hmm.. Oct 21 05:14:51 * CTLAdvance runs to grab his device Oct 21 05:14:59 xbonesx: /var/log/messages Oct 21 05:15:07 one sec Oct 21 05:15:22 want me to delete then restart again? Oct 21 05:16:15 looks like im on 113, is there an update already Oct 21 05:16:58 ya i think rwhitby released one tonight Oct 21 05:17:18 oh snap Oct 21 05:17:29 let me update govnah and uber and ill test again Oct 21 05:17:33 one moment Oct 21 05:18:19 xbonesx: yep Oct 21 05:19:30 * CTLAdvance loves the smell of freshly queried webservers at 1:15AM.... AHHH Oct 21 05:21:24 ok just updated both, restarting, going to set my speed and restart Oct 21 05:22:48 rwhitby: genius Oct 21 05:23:15 rwhitby: i deleted the messeges file and then restarted and now it kept my profile Oct 21 05:23:30 granted it was a screenstate one this time and not a userspace one Oct 21 05:27:58 so, who wants to make a facetime webOS app? Oct 21 05:28:40 * halfhalo thinks a front camera is needed Oct 21 05:28:58 Nonsense! Oct 21 05:29:09 What do you think that small mirror on the back is for?! Oct 21 05:29:11 screw facetime Oct 21 05:29:37 Heh Oct 21 05:29:57 torchie! Oct 21 05:30:02 ! Oct 21 05:30:06 i dont think many people really need to stare at their phones while they talk to someone Oct 21 05:30:06 SUP G? Oct 21 05:30:14 I DO! Oct 21 05:30:19 aint no thang Oct 21 05:30:51 i mean ya it would be nice but... really why Oct 21 05:32:33 what's the point of facetime when you can't see them? Oct 21 05:32:55 good point Oct 21 05:35:03 if only we had a front facing camera in a future device. But we dont Oct 21 05:35:35 I think that's kind of the point of a future device. Add things you don't have right now ;P Oct 21 05:35:36 at least not in the announced ones Oct 21 05:35:55 i honestly dont think its worth the money spent, its not like its going to attract more customers... people want a phone that meets hardware and ease of use first then the camera would be nice Oct 21 05:36:20 kesne: so is there a public facetime protocol spec yet? Oct 21 05:36:33 rwhitby: I have no idea Oct 21 05:36:36 were at the end of the food chain when it comes to smartphones, behind blackberry, etc... Oct 21 05:37:21 I think Facetime isn't public, but it's not exactly something super complex either Oct 21 05:37:39 I think it's just email/phone number and some H264 Oct 21 05:37:39 I think it is public... Oct 21 05:37:47 But I might be wrong Oct 21 05:37:55 sourceforge? Oct 21 05:38:30 * rwhitby bets it's not public, and people are just remembering the reality distortion field statement that it was Oct 21 05:39:28 holla! Oct 21 05:41:39 brb ubuntu updates Oct 21 05:42:23 Hmm Oct 21 05:42:27 I need to do something Oct 21 05:42:31 Is facetime on anything other than mac products Oct 21 05:42:43 No Oct 21 05:44:33 at this point, no Oct 21 05:44:50 but today is also the first time it showed up on something other than an ios device Oct 21 05:45:01 they are integrating a lot of ios into macos anyways Oct 21 05:45:02 yep, nothing public from apple on facetime Oct 21 05:45:14 since this is linux, why cant we get a bluetooth webcamera driver? Oct 21 05:45:16 apple is getting pretty cavalier about how they do stuff, it is annoying me Oct 21 05:45:19 http://www.packetstan.com/2010/07/special-look-face-time-part-3-call.html is some third-party reverse engineering Oct 21 05:45:25 ichat already had great video chat capability and it supported a widely used protocol Oct 21 05:45:36 to enable facetime and ignore the existing system is kind of a shit move Oct 21 05:45:50 and the addition of an app store to mac os only shows how delusional they are, and unfortunately it will work Oct 21 05:45:57 its not like we have some proprietary os we cant modify Oct 21 05:45:58 looks like it's back to Linux for me, though Oct 21 05:46:01 yeah, but you're forgetting that ichat didn't exist on ios, so Oct 21 05:46:15 sineOtter: that's their own fault, they chose to make it that way Oct 21 05:46:21 everything apple does will stay in the apple zone, not much will come to pc, except itunes Oct 21 05:46:25 to lock out the existing infrastructure and create their own controlled sandbox Oct 21 05:46:41 * halfhalo likes his mac Oct 21 05:46:48 Soon they will lock down mac OSX just like IOS Oct 21 05:46:52 I love my mac, but I don't love that people are enabling Apple to do retarded things Oct 21 05:47:03 * halfhalo also has his windows pc below his mac mini Oct 21 05:47:05 or OSXI Oct 21 05:47:08 CTLAdvance: exactly, I wonder if Mac OS X Lion will require a 2 year contract with Verizon :P Oct 21 05:47:26 I dont mean that Oct 21 05:47:37 I don't either, but I am making an exaggeration on a basic idea Oct 21 05:47:44 Eventually I see them blocking loading of apps other than from the istore Oct 21 05:47:50 or what ever they are calling it Oct 21 05:48:03 will I be able to run python apps I write on my Mac, or will I have to only use app store validated programs Oct 21 05:48:07 bingo Oct 21 05:49:07 unfortunately they can do what they want because end users are totally enabling them by buying up everything they sell Oct 21 05:49:29 not unlike Microsoft in the mid to late 90s Oct 21 05:49:36 I know it Oct 21 05:49:51 Eventually I see this ending as people wake up Oct 21 05:50:00 to their credit, they do a lot of awesome stuff, but I can see the direction they are heading and I don't like it Oct 21 05:50:00 or if jobs leaves Oct 21 05:50:18 * CTLAdvance thinks someone should take out jobs for the future of computer science Oct 21 05:50:18 people won't wake up, they are marketing to the lowest common denominator who doesn't know better Oct 21 05:50:31 I know it Oct 21 05:50:55 So many macs without propper virus protection even, one day they will wake up and find something nasty lurking inside Oct 21 05:51:00 CTLAdvance: that won't happen, because there's a LOT of apps that would never work with the app store Oct 21 05:51:13 I recently moved an mp3 file on my device from one dir to another and when i went into the ringtone section of the phone it didnt show up in the addable mp3's, i had to restart the phone for it too show, is there a way to achieve this without having to restart the phone? Oct 21 05:51:24 SineOtter, there are lots of apps that can be changed to be delivered through the app store Oct 21 05:51:25 it doesn't support apps that install kexts, and Adobe and Autodesk (Photoshop and autoCAD) would never agree to a 70/30 split Oct 21 05:51:31 or being unable to do their own DRM Oct 21 05:52:00 Thats why apple has its own software Apeture 3 is it? Oct 21 05:52:07 Photoshop can comply or leave Oct 21 05:52:20 or adobe can Oct 21 05:52:28 thats basically jobs atitude Oct 21 05:52:42 until the antitrust suit finally comes Oct 21 05:53:09 Aperture 3 is a competitor to Lightroom, not Photoshop Oct 21 05:54:05 Its close enough, ive used both, does what most people will use who dont need to design Oct 21 05:54:15 either way adobe could just raise the cost somewhat Oct 21 05:54:34 adobe would be wise to abandon the entire platform Oct 21 05:54:38 and see how that makes Apple feel Oct 21 05:55:04 Based on their latest market numbers, I doubt they will Oct 21 05:55:11 of course Oct 21 05:55:14 there's been about a million points where it would have made a lot more sense for adobe to dump it Oct 21 05:55:21 so if they haven't yet, I really doubt they will Oct 21 05:55:38 see: code warrior debacle, dropping carbon 64 Oct 21 05:55:55 ok ill have to look that up tomorrow Oct 21 05:56:05 or later today Oct 21 05:56:26 the landscape has changed a bit even since then SineOtter Oct 21 05:56:47 but yeah, still, they are not likely to make such a big move Oct 21 05:57:01 Sprint tried to get me to upgrade to an Evo when I went in with my broken Pre today Oct 21 05:57:02 :( Oct 21 05:57:22 alright I need to run Oct 21 05:57:23 talk about being a zealot, I kept my broken phone Oct 21 05:57:25 adios Oct 21 05:57:27 be back in a bit Oct 21 05:57:37 code warrior thing: Adobe was building all their apps using the Code Warrior IDE, which used a seperate compiler. The company had sold all their X86 compiler rights to Nokia (lol) so when Apple finally made the switch to Intel, they were screwed Oct 21 05:57:45 They didnt have a replacement for you? Oct 21 05:58:01 Apple had been saying "hey, go xcode and gcc please" but they were like, "mah codebassseeee" Oct 21 05:58:08 no, it was a Mall location, the only place I could get a replacement is a service location Oct 21 05:58:26 changing codebase is a huge pain in the ass Oct 21 05:58:32 yes it is Oct 21 05:58:41 i spent quite some time getting old ass fortran that was built in g77 to build on intel fortran Oct 21 05:58:44 so they rewrote everything in carbon, the API that's existed since OS9 and is ancient Oct 21 05:58:47 using xcode is garbage.... Oct 21 05:58:51 and that wasn't even anywhere close to the size of code base Adobe had :P Oct 21 05:58:53 well maybe not garbage Oct 21 05:59:05 which apple has said before was going to be not supported in the future and replaced with cocoa Oct 21 05:59:30 apple also wouldn't allow them access to a bunch of the Cocoa API Oct 21 05:59:31 to their credit Oct 21 05:59:48 which is the basis of almost all of Adobe's complaints Oct 21 05:59:58 Apple's refusal of access to system API they need to get their software workign Oct 21 06:00:08 APIs that are even available to them on Windows Oct 21 06:00:15 Apple has cockblocked Adobe a lot Oct 21 06:00:17 honestly though Oct 21 06:00:29 even with the apis that are open, adobe has somehow managed to completely fuck them up Oct 21 06:01:03 I dunno, Apple seems impervious to Adobe Oct 21 06:03:13 Adobe somehow manages to work in like 7 different sliders into their apps, and where one app will use these ones, it'll be completely different with others and it's like, adobe, really :C Oct 21 06:04:00 why did you write your own widgets, not once, but 7 times, each of them looking and acting slightly different than the others Oct 21 06:10:02 A/B testing! Oct 21 06:12:40 so i have an upgrade, anyone care to give me their opinion on whether i should wait til next year or just get myself a new palm pre on sprint? Oct 21 06:12:56 I'd hold off Oct 21 06:13:04 at best, you can get something better than the Pre 2 running webOS Oct 21 06:13:14 you think they'll push a new device in the next three months? Oct 21 06:13:16 at worst, Sprint ditches webOS, and you can go for a Windows Phone 7 device Oct 21 06:13:20 3 months... I would say no Oct 21 06:13:24 4-6 yes Oct 21 06:13:35 you will have a better idea of wether or not sprint willc arry it in 3 though Oct 21 06:13:50 and in 6 months, you should have stuff like the HTC 7 Pro or whatever it is. Oct 21 06:13:52 i only have a year left... on sprint, looks like i might be going to verizon, ugh Oct 21 06:13:53 expectations are on CES Oct 21 06:13:59 January , and if it is not announced there Oct 21 06:14:02 you can give up :) Oct 21 06:14:15 HTC 7 Pro should hit sprint early than 6 months Oct 21 06:14:19 earlier Oct 21 06:14:26 do any of the windows phone 7 phones have front facing cameras Oct 21 06:14:29 by January I think the Palm roadmap on Sprint will be more clear Oct 21 06:14:49 or gyroscopes Oct 21 06:15:05 think what i will do is burn the upgrade on a new palm pre then if a new device comes out i will bail on sprint gotot verizon and hope for a new 2 tear contract deal on the next webos device Oct 21 06:15:32 thoughts? Oct 21 06:15:47 no front facing on w7p i don't think Oct 21 06:15:55 gyro and ffc are total gimmicks Oct 21 06:15:56 if the pro hits sprint, it'll probably be somewhere 4-6 months Oct 21 06:15:58 so i wouldn't hinge on that Oct 21 06:16:06 since MS has said no CDMA devices until 2011 Oct 21 06:16:19 * xbonesx faithful webos fan Oct 21 06:16:23 2011 is pretty close :) Oct 21 06:16:42 xbonesx: honestly, I wouldnt' burn an upgrade on a standard Pre :( I would be patient and wait till Jan, 2 months Oct 21 06:16:43 then decide Oct 21 06:16:56 2 and a half months :p Oct 21 06:16:59 still Oct 21 06:17:17 either a) sprint is not getting webOS devices, come Jan, or b) sprint is getting exclusive on the 'Mansion' Oct 21 06:17:22 right now im sitting with a pre with horrible scrath marks and a battery that dr. battery said was at 50% life... :( Oct 21 06:17:30 ditto xbones Oct 21 06:17:31 mansion? Oct 21 06:17:49 well, a new battery is a lot easier to do than use up your upgrade Oct 21 06:17:49 xbones: the hypothetical device that has been developed after the PRe 2 Oct 21 06:17:59 xobnesx: I am in the same position my phone is jacked Oct 21 06:18:09 xbonesx: Sprint tried to get me to upgrade to Evo, but I just kept my broke ass phone Oct 21 06:18:12 the "virtual keyboard" device Oct 21 06:18:18 its like free money in your pocket, just burning a whole lmao Oct 21 06:18:20 xbonesx: you are better off going to a repair center Oct 21 06:18:42 tried to goto a sprint store they told me to screw myself that i was out of man, warranty Oct 21 06:18:54 sineotter: keyboard is a minor bump, I'm looking forward to visual or transcribed voicemail, some kind of slightly larger screen and if it's on Sprint, WiMax :) Oct 21 06:19:24 transcribed voicemail? oh boy :p Oct 21 06:19:42 Google Voice has that, and it's terrible-And if Google can't manage it yet, I don't really think anyone can Oct 21 06:20:07 id like to have an app that i can atleast point and click, listen to voicemails Oct 21 06:20:16 without paying for it Oct 21 06:22:52 google does pretty good Oct 21 06:22:54 others do better Oct 21 06:22:59 by having actual people listen to the voice mail :) Oct 21 06:23:16 you can have google voice voicemails emailed to you as mp3 Oct 21 06:23:23 make a custom folder Oct 21 06:23:27 that filters just voicemails Oct 21 06:23:29 bingo :) Oct 21 06:26:38 radiofreejohn: free? Oct 21 06:26:44 yeah Oct 21 06:26:48 how do i get it? Oct 21 06:26:55 preware, app catalog? Oct 21 06:27:00 google voice is free, but it is a bit of a pain to set up on a non google phone :) Oct 21 06:27:09 it's a web based thing, and you get a separate phone number Oct 21 06:27:09 k? Oct 21 06:27:14 that you can forward to your current phone Oct 21 06:27:19 ok Oct 21 06:27:34 is there a webos gui for it? Oct 21 06:27:36 https://www.google.com/voice Oct 21 06:27:38 no webos gui Oct 21 06:27:46 i thought there used to be? Oct 21 06:27:53 like i said you just set it up to forward your voicemails via email Oct 21 06:27:56 there might be Oct 21 06:28:00 i don't know though Oct 21 06:28:03 back when voice was in beta stage Oct 21 06:30:26 SineOtter, grr... he left... but I still wanna say that just because google can't do something doesn't mean it's not possible. they are really good at being mediocre at a lot of things but they suck at being good at specific things Oct 21 06:32:18 RagingMind: lol good call Oct 21 06:33:11 as an example... excluding the zoom function... yahoo maps is superior Oct 21 06:34:05 the use color better, have more relevant data, and the addresses are more accurate Oct 21 09:09:46 Hi, can anyone help with a question about the Eclipse plugin? Oct 21 09:14:33 No help? Oct 21 12:06:49 Can someone tell me why my screenstate 500/1000 is always at 500? Oct 21 12:43:32 <[AD]Turbo> hi there Oct 21 13:00:09 haeffb_pre: !!! Oct 21 13:02:32 yo Oct 21 13:03:42 well said haeffb_pre , i think you're ready for public speaking.. Oct 21 13:04:16 yo dawg Oct 21 13:05:23 i dare you to get up to the podium and go "wasssss suuuuuppppppppp!!!!!!!!!!" Oct 21 13:09:03 goooooooood moooooorning, Vietnam!!!!! Oct 21 13:09:55 I will use your $L('greeting') Oct 21 13:10:09 in my first slide Oct 21 13:10:34 and be all 'wasssssssuuuuuupppppppp!' Oct 21 13:10:59 that will be awesome Oct 21 13:17:47 sounds fun... for sure go with the $L('greetings') slide Oct 21 13:19:53 just got my big fat smaato paypal payment Oct 21 13:20:28 i think I'll have enough for a nice candy bar...$2.34 USD Oct 21 13:22:34 total sales: myles 1000 done 1890 noted 169 Oct 21 13:23:47 total dl's of guyrules mobile 35k Oct 21 13:33:54 I thought webos 2 was suppose to have gpu acceleration for the ui Oct 21 13:37:26 <[AD]Turbo> Deihmos, I think so, is OpenVG in there? Oct 21 13:37:50 judging for the videos i saw it runs pretty much the same Oct 21 13:49:16 Bmyers you still here? Oct 21 13:49:41 some may argue that I am all there. but yes.. Oct 21 13:53:27 CTLAdvance: your query? Oct 21 13:54:11 re you using smaato for adverts? Oct 21 13:54:36 yes, among others Oct 21 13:55:05 Whats your main one? Oct 21 13:55:49 used to be quattro until they got bought out Oct 21 13:56:03 now its admob, smaato mostly Oct 21 13:56:15 Hows your admob fill rate Oct 21 13:56:51 mine hovers around 15% Oct 21 13:56:53 a little better lately, sometimes it 90% , other days it less than 10% Oct 21 13:57:00 ah Oct 21 13:57:22 Do you get anything other than religeous ads? Oct 21 13:58:28 i run house ads too but yeah. God seems to have a pretty decent advertising budget Oct 21 14:00:32 dish network is another popular one Oct 21 14:06:30 ill try house ads Oct 21 14:07:51 i have a book on amazon that is a companion to my app so it works out well to have house ads Oct 21 14:13:12 whats your book on amazon> Oct 21 14:13:13 ? Oct 21 14:13:40 I see so you probably spend some advertising that Oct 21 14:14:19 when admob doesnt have an ad for me, they send me my own ad Oct 21 14:15:15 ISBN-10: 0740700308 Oct 21 14:15:44 http://www.amazon.com/Guy-Rules-Unspoken-Previously-Unrecorded/dp/0740700308/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1287670270&sr=8-1 Oct 21 14:22:06 lol Oct 21 14:22:18 nice Oct 21 14:22:24 An Author and a webdev Oct 21 14:35:47 morning Oct 21 14:44:35 hi sugardave . whats new in the world of copy/paste? Oct 21 14:45:11 ouch Oct 21 14:45:19 that hurts Oct 21 14:45:37 just kidding bud... Oct 21 14:45:46 lol Oct 21 14:45:53 do some ready last night did you? Oct 21 14:46:37 reading... Oct 21 14:46:40 dh.. Oct 21 14:47:45 not yet, but I skimmed enough to realize where I may have gone wrong originally Oct 21 14:48:06 so, I have a plan, but now need some time Oct 21 14:57:27 wrong on what sugardave ? Oct 21 14:57:50 how Synchronize is supposed to work, specifically the wrapper functions Oct 21 14:58:19 yeah, it is a funky little function Oct 21 14:58:26 I missed the part where they have to be used as callbacks by another call Oct 21 14:58:47 or something like that Oct 21 14:59:34 someone here got it working for themselves at one point. Templarian i think Oct 21 15:00:26 I thought I had it working a long time ago, hence my starting of the Synchronize article, but then haeffb_pre delivered the killing blow when he informed me it doesn't work with multi-stage :D Oct 21 15:01:09 well, as always with multistage apps, maybe it is a this scope problem Oct 21 15:01:31 preventing the callbacks from working Oct 21 15:02:04 that's what I'm thinking Oct 21 15:02:20 going to try with some 'global' synch wrapper functions and see what I can see Oct 21 15:02:27 i have faith in your abilities.. Oct 21 15:02:40 if anything, it will give me an excuse to work on a multi-stage app model Oct 21 15:03:23 well, a card and a dashboard and thats a multistage app Oct 21 15:05:58 I wonder if it will work across stages.... Oct 21 15:06:01 hmmm Oct 21 15:06:15 baby steps.. Oct 21 15:10:22 you don't even need two stages for a 'multi-stage' app Oct 21 15:11:00 not really i guess huh? just need to make one the hard way Oct 21 15:11:02 just app assistant to push your single stage Oct 21 15:11:03 just an app assistant, then...making a test project right now Oct 21 15:11:37 so, it is still true that you can't use Inspector, AresLog, and presumably host emulator mode with mutli-stage apps? Oct 21 15:14:55 sweeeeeet Oct 21 15:14:57 eeeeeeeeet Oct 21 15:15:00 sw Oct 21 15:15:41 * halfhalo doesn't have to fly out of LAX it looks lik Oct 21 15:15:42 e Oct 21 15:15:43 it's not THAT exciting, sure it's taken me over a year to start messing with multi-stage apps, but really... Oct 21 15:15:46 oh Oct 21 15:17:31 oh dammit... maybe I do... Oct 21 15:17:55 I think burbank routes through LAX... Oct 21 15:18:17 where u off to halfhalo ? Oct 21 15:18:30 Planning devdays stuff Oct 21 15:18:36 ah Oct 21 15:18:43 Oh, wait, its through salt lake city.... yeah, screw that Oct 21 15:19:04 salt lake city is a fun town, just get there b4 they close at night Oct 21 15:19:05 so....no stage-assistant.js file, or you can make the app-assistant load it? Oct 21 15:19:16 Been there before plenty of times Oct 21 15:19:22 Ares log works Oct 21 15:19:23 Just don't want a stopover there Oct 21 15:19:32 and debugger I think Oct 21 15:19:39 sugardave: , you can send a stage ass if u like Oct 21 15:20:11 340 round trip on continental... Oct 21 15:20:20 inspector was supposed to work as of 1.45, but I couldnt get it to work Oct 21 15:20:37 s'okay, Inspector doesn't work for me period Oct 21 15:20:40 halfhalo: that's what it will cost me from MCI Oct 21 15:20:43 and I have hit or miss with the Ares stuff Oct 21 15:20:55 * sugardave debugs the hard way. Oct 21 15:20:59 you get to go twice as far for the same price Oct 21 15:21:15 heh Oct 21 15:21:39 Landing in Newark at... either three or six, depending on which flight I choose Oct 21 15:21:59 haeffb_pre: Where are you staying? Oct 21 15:22:11 I dunno Oct 21 15:22:41 If I do go, its looking like I'm staying at the Jersey City Westin Oct 21 15:22:44 139 a night Oct 21 15:22:46 damn, I have WAY too many 'run configurations' in eclipse Oct 21 15:22:51 4 stars Oct 21 15:23:15 halfhalo: good deal Oct 21 15:23:20 yup Oct 21 15:23:34 10 minutes away from the place by cab Oct 21 15:24:26 sugardave: did you decide to go to devday? Oct 21 15:24:36 can't Oct 21 15:24:40 broke Oct 21 15:24:43 cheap Oct 21 15:24:44 etc Oct 21 15:25:04 all that pro bono work Oct 21 15:25:14 I KNOW that Palm will take pity on me and have #3 in Austin Oct 21 15:25:16 :D Oct 21 15:25:31 you wish Oct 21 15:25:32 :p Oct 21 15:25:40 I do Oct 21 15:25:46 I know Oct 21 15:25:56 * halfhalo could drive to one in austin Oct 21 15:25:56 \ Oct 21 15:26:02 and/or stay with family Oct 21 15:26:33 said family happens to be a priest, but stilll Oct 21 15:26:45 someday i'll get to austin and have my picture taken next to the SRV statue Oct 21 15:26:58 it doesn't look anything like him IMO Oct 21 15:27:17 * halfhalo should get a hotel loyalty card Oct 21 15:27:20 like him now or when he was alive? Oct 21 15:27:29 when he was alive :P Oct 21 15:27:29 between palm events and ces I could get some crap from this Oct 21 15:27:59 zombie SRV statue isn't up yet Oct 21 15:28:37 I just got NetFlix last night...damn, I should not have waited so long Oct 21 15:28:40 it is awesome Oct 21 15:28:42 Yup Oct 21 15:28:48 And so is hulu Oct 21 15:28:51 esp on the ps3 Oct 21 15:28:58 haven't done hulu Oct 21 15:29:00 since I have not had a commercial yet Oct 21 15:29:03 I have too many subscriptions Oct 21 15:29:07 send me your ID ? i'm too cheap Oct 21 15:29:52 halfhalo: he's talking to you Oct 21 15:29:55 speaking of hulu, time to turn on the projector and watch something! Oct 21 15:29:55 plus i have no real way to get it. no wii or ps3 Oct 21 15:30:14 * halfhalo has a.... special hulu account Oct 21 15:30:33 every notice how terrible bucks rogers series was? watched it on hulu.. Oct 21 15:30:45 haha, I loved that show when I was a kid Oct 21 15:30:59 500 years in the future and the technology didnt exists to fully clothe women.. Oct 21 15:31:12 * halfhalo goes to watch L&O:LA Oct 21 15:31:33 you've got it all wrong, it was that tech had advanced so far, we were able to keep women from fully clothing themselves Oct 21 15:31:56 i became a man watching that show... Oct 21 15:32:08 ahh, i miss last year... Oct 21 15:32:11 how many times? :D Oct 21 15:32:14 haha Oct 21 15:32:59 ... Oct 21 15:32:59 new $7.99 stream only option for Netflix - testing in Canada Oct 21 15:33:20 the Canadians got him Oct 21 15:33:30 geeze.. and blockbuster is going belly up? go figure.. Oct 21 15:33:44 yeah, they made a bad move not buying NetFlix Oct 21 15:33:48 oops Oct 21 15:34:04 hey, i didnt see you buying netflix either.. Oct 21 15:34:13 * halfhalo did Oct 21 15:34:35 Maybe I should try Ares. Oct 21 15:35:12 not frustrated enough using the sdk? Oct 21 15:35:30 KGF2009: resist! Oct 21 15:36:07 whatever happened to Anivrom? I think Ares killed him Oct 21 15:36:18 I dunno, I just think I might do better with a visual interface..What's so bad about it? Oct 21 15:36:23 and rick_work Oct 21 15:36:39 oh, I must have missed something :D Oct 21 15:37:01 KGF2009: it's not bad I hear...I'm just used to the old way Oct 21 15:37:13 you could be the channel Ares expert Oct 21 15:37:23 2nd'd Oct 21 15:37:42 I don't think I'll be an expert on anything for a while. Oct 21 15:37:48 sure Oct 21 15:37:56 all you have to do is say "I'm an expert" Oct 21 15:37:59 it's that easy Oct 21 15:38:55 See, thing is, I never had much luck with the 'old way' so maybe Ares is right for me. Oct 21 15:39:49 it's definitely easier to get a visual of what your app looks like Oct 21 15:40:02 Plus, now that I Oct 21 15:40:16 Now that I'm back on windows...I can't stand Windows' command-line. Oct 21 15:40:56 But what should I try to make on Ares? Oct 21 15:40:59 "The file name of the HTML file of the new stage"....so this would be if I didn't want to use index.html for a paritcular stage Oct 21 15:41:42 KGF2009: well, don't try rwhitby's world clock, you'll just go crazy Oct 21 15:42:00 I tried, and got close...but, then the wax melted Oct 21 15:42:07 I tried to make one too. Oct 21 15:42:13 Still have it. Oct 21 15:42:16 But it sucked. Oct 21 15:42:17 yes Oct 21 15:42:19 hah... rodtime.... Oct 21 15:42:26 yeah, I know....when I found out you stopped I took a shot Oct 21 15:42:28 there are issues Oct 21 15:42:32 Mmhmm. Oct 21 15:42:54 My latest idea is a forum reader..But with mods and themes, that makes things difficult. Oct 21 15:43:12 you need to start simpler, then...just the text Oct 21 15:43:27 No, I don't mean mods and themes for the app. Oct 21 15:43:35 right Oct 21 15:43:36 I mean mods and themes on the forum make it difficult to parse the HTML. Oct 21 15:44:26 do the forums have a mobile version? Oct 21 15:44:28 people seem to love location-aware apps Oct 21 15:44:34 oh, I've got it Oct 21 15:44:49 Some do. Most don't. Oct 21 15:44:53 a location-aware sales tax calculator Oct 21 15:45:09 nice Oct 21 15:45:53 with table for every city in the US? Oct 21 15:45:53 Perhaps a little out of my league..I'm that much of a noob. Oct 21 15:46:15 haeffb_pre: or a way to look it up "from the CLOUD" Oct 21 15:46:24 the CLOOOUUUDDDD Oct 21 15:46:56 there's a cloud? Oct 21 15:47:02 I see one Oct 21 15:47:08 it's small, puffy, and white Oct 21 15:47:09 ig black one Oct 21 15:47:13 over sugardave Oct 21 15:47:19 heh Oct 21 15:47:31 So what am I making? Oct 21 15:47:38 someone is working on one of my app ideas that I never got around to starting... Oct 21 15:47:41 I'm drawing a blank. Oct 21 15:47:50 haeffb_pre: which? Oct 21 15:47:55 there ya go. a drawing app Oct 21 15:48:42 hi guys Oct 21 15:48:51 KGF2009: you can either get help deciding what app to write OR you can get help writing the app, but you must choose now Oct 21 15:49:02 a sportsmans diary...hint, fish, etc Oct 21 15:49:02 ;) Oct 21 15:49:02 hunt Oct 21 15:49:02 record location, weather conditions, etc Oct 21 15:49:15 haeffb_pre: ah, I saw that in the forum Oct 21 15:49:23 my app does those last things alrea... never mind Oct 21 15:49:29 Eh, I'll go with the latter. I need help in that area more. Oct 21 15:49:34 heh Oct 21 15:49:44 So.. Oct 21 15:49:46 * KGF2009 thinks. Oct 21 15:50:02 I was going to do that long ago and forgot... Oct 21 15:50:33 i need to launch a video from my app ... i am using serviceRequest .. the player unable to play video .. any ideas y it fails? Oct 21 15:50:51 raghuk: what kind of video is it? Oct 21 15:50:56 mp4 Oct 21 15:51:28 is is encoded at the right settings? I am working on some video as well and was disturbed that I can only do 640x480 VGA Oct 21 15:51:59 I tried 720p and got the "unable to play file" error or whatever it says Oct 21 15:52:35 ooh .. me too .. how can i check resoultion of video ? Oct 21 15:53:18 I need to find my USB.. Oct 21 15:53:28 that I don't know, I'm dealing with one that I'm making :D I guess you could download it to your host machine and use some program to tell you all about it Oct 21 15:53:50 * sugardave is a video n00b. Oct 21 15:53:56 Ah, found it. Oct 21 15:54:16 Now, app ideas.. Oct 21 15:54:19 hmmm .. same goes with mp3 also? Oct 21 15:54:41 raghuk: I don't THINK so...but not 100% sure about that Oct 21 15:55:39 raghuk: all the way at the bottom of this page lists the supported audio formats: http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1741#using_html_5_audio_objects Oct 21 15:55:45 there's a similar page for video Oct 21 15:56:04 sugardave: cool .. let me check Oct 21 15:56:13 Anyone think it would be too difficult to make a CleverBot interface for the Palm? Oct 21 15:56:39 * halfhalo puts music on... uNFuNFuNFuNFuNF Oct 21 15:58:34 sugardave: where can i find correct formats with resolution that can play on plam? Oct 21 15:58:37 does a ListSelector list only fire propertyChanged event? Oct 21 15:58:48 maik: yes Oct 21 15:58:57 well that put's a damper on things Oct 21 15:59:14 sugardave: i mean is there aany document that i can refer to? Oct 21 15:59:43 raghuk: this one, all the way at the bottom: http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1752#using_html_5_video_objects Oct 21 16:00:18 if i want people to be able to add to a blank list i need to have an Add item in the list itself. it would be best if that item was selected by default, but if someone clicks on it and it's the only item in the list it doesn't friggen do anything Oct 21 16:00:33 I'm pretty shocked that a> you can only do VGA and b> they don't "downsample" higher resolution videos Oct 21 16:01:40 maik: an empty list with an add entry should add a new item :S Oct 21 16:02:35 _should_, yes. but if it's the only item in the list, if the user clicks on it when it's already selected (because it's the only item in the list) it doesn't do anything Oct 21 16:02:44 doesn't fire a propertyChanged because property didn't Changed Oct 21 16:02:57 oh, listselector Oct 21 16:03:00 not list Oct 21 16:03:06 hmmm Oct 21 16:03:17 I have not tried to do an add item in listselector Oct 21 16:03:54 i just created an additional item named Add with an index of 0 Oct 21 16:04:16 maik: you could make it so that there's always a 'Change me/new' entry in your list and they can modify that one Oct 21 16:04:28 the other thing i can do is make sure that if there's nothing else in the list then i need to just launch the add item scene Oct 21 16:05:04 but still, if it's the only one in the list then it is selected by default and doesn't fire a propertyChanged when selected Oct 21 16:05:05 OR do some hackery with listening for tap Oct 21 16:05:13 i considered that too Oct 21 16:05:27 but i think the previous solution is more elegant Oct 21 16:05:39 launching the add item scene if list is empty Oct 21 16:05:42 wait Oct 21 16:05:57 are your listselector entries textfield widgets? Oct 21 16:06:04 no Oct 21 16:06:05 * sugardave wonders i you can do that. Oct 21 16:06:17 there's more data than just a textfield Oct 21 16:06:21 and i don't think so Oct 21 16:07:07 yeah, I think you cannot Oct 21 16:07:11 hmmm Oct 21 16:09:38 heh, this is going to be a bit ugly methinks Oct 21 16:10:22 custom dialog with a list widget instead of a listselector? :D Oct 21 16:12:07 nah Oct 21 16:12:56 list of drawers in a dialog Oct 21 16:14:50 Hmm..Think I could pulls off a DeviantArt client? Oct 21 16:14:54 pull off* Oct 21 16:15:10 hah sweet Oct 21 16:16:15 so the function to get items is called on activate. if the app launches and there are no items in the database it prompts to add an item. if they try and back out to the previous scene then activate() is called with the get items function and it launches back into the add item card Oct 21 16:16:26 kinda ugly, but it's functional Oct 21 16:16:49 YOU WILL ADD A CARD NOW Oct 21 16:16:52 RIGHT NOW Oct 21 16:16:59 ya... not so happy about that Oct 21 16:17:18 "but i just want to go ba..." YOU SHAL NOT PASS! Oct 21 16:17:20 +L Oct 21 16:17:38 i'm having trouble coming up with a good alternative though Oct 21 16:17:49 because if they get into the main interface with no items in the list they can't do anything with it Oct 21 16:18:12 i could put the add item thing in the app menu, but that's very un-obvious Oct 21 16:18:18 you could catch back on the add scene, then pass back a "don't launch it again until they try to add" check in activate Oct 21 16:18:20 can always have an add item item Oct 21 16:18:59 An 'add item' button? Oct 21 16:19:02 sugardave: except there's no way to add unless they select add in the list, and if they select add in the list when it's the only item in the list it won't fire the propertyChanged event and thus won't go back into it Oct 21 16:19:21 custom dialog with a list widget :P Oct 21 16:19:23 Bmyers: there's always an add item element in the list, even when there are no items in the database Oct 21 16:19:30 to select the item? Oct 21 16:19:31 let the list widget handle the add/edit for you :D Oct 21 16:19:39 bah Oct 21 16:19:41 maik: sure, why not? Oct 21 16:19:48 more work Oct 21 16:19:52 true Oct 21 16:20:35 i think maybe the tap event hackery is my best choice Oct 21 16:20:36 KGF2009: deviant art is a bunch of pictures, yeah? shouldn't be impossible Oct 21 16:21:03 that way they launch into the main interface and if they tap the selector when there's only "add" in the list it will launch into the add item scene Oct 21 16:21:54 i thought we were friends Oct 21 16:22:04 YOU THOUGHT WRONG Oct 21 16:22:10 what? Oct 21 16:22:16 :( Oct 21 16:22:21 why can't weeee be friends Oct 21 16:22:41 because I stuck a knife in your back? Oct 21 16:22:45 ow Oct 21 16:22:56 sounds painfully pleasurable Oct 21 16:23:03 that didn't feel good Oct 21 16:23:04 Oct 21 16:23:14 justin beaver Oct 21 16:24:10 http://www.break.com/index/justin-bieber-hit-in-the-head-with-water-bottle Oct 21 16:24:23 it was hard not to type Oct 21 16:24:35 lol Oct 21 16:25:28 that was awesome aim for whoever threw that lol Oct 21 16:25:42 only 24 seconds Oct 21 16:26:47 who says dont waste your money on front row tickets? Oct 21 16:26:48 24 seconds Oct 21 16:26:50 OF DOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM Oct 21 16:27:27 well that person surely didnt waste their money :D Oct 21 16:29:28 HAH! Oct 21 16:29:57 if i don't specify a value in the selector model it shows a blank box, but if you tap the selector and select Add then it fires propertyChnage Oct 21 16:29:59 Change* Oct 21 16:30:01 i win! Oct 21 16:30:22 woo! Oct 21 16:32:01 and if they back out i can set .value = null; to replicate the same behavior so they just tap the list and hit add again Oct 21 16:32:10 * maik flexes his awesome Oct 21 16:34:22 haeffb_pre: so, I replace stage-assistant.js with app-assistant.js....and then I can still load stage-assistant.js if I want when I create the stage...does it still need to be in sources.json (i.e. I have both app-assistant.js and stage-assistant.js in there) Oct 21 16:38:30 morning Oct 21 16:39:14 wow, long time no chat Oct 21 16:39:21 indeed. Oct 21 16:39:28 Rick_work: how are you? Oct 21 16:39:28 yup Oct 21 16:39:31 life. The universe, everything Oct 21 16:39:36 42 Oct 21 16:39:45 not horribly unwell. :-) Oct 21 16:39:46 * hotdp back from Mobile World UK Oct 21 16:39:56 but I've been "busy" or distracted. Oct 21 16:40:09 Rick_work: I know the feeling Oct 21 16:41:51 can't swipe left to go back on pre Oct 21 16:41:56 hardware or a software ? Oct 21 16:42:11 can you "half swipe left" ? Oct 21 16:42:19 starting at the led, and moving left? Oct 21 16:42:24 no Oct 21 16:43:27 weird. does the led flash? Oct 21 16:43:43 did you turn on advanced gestures? Oct 21 16:43:57 * sugardave wonders how many still have the pearl Pre. Oct 21 16:44:03 me Oct 21 16:44:17 If you have Switch Applications turned on, then a 'half-swipe' is the only way you can do a back gesture. Oct 21 16:44:18 mine is still kicking Oct 21 16:44:19 * halfhalo has one somewhere Oct 21 16:44:45 But if not, then a half-swipe and full won't make a difference. Oct 21 16:46:46 I've got a quick question too. What the hell is the point of the forward gesture? Oct 21 16:47:01 to go... forward... Oct 21 16:47:17 But in all the apps I've used, it never does anything. Oct 21 16:47:29 switch between open cards without having to do swipe up/swipe left, tap Oct 21 16:47:38 Besides that. Oct 21 16:47:47 The actual forward gesture, not the switch applications one. Oct 21 16:47:53 If you're in chat, and have four or five chat windows open, or in IRC and have three irc channels open.... Oct 21 16:47:58 some apps might use it to navigate through "pages" or horizontal scrollers, etc. Oct 21 16:48:08 same reason browsers have a forward button..in case you accidentally swipe back Oct 21 16:49:00 ahh - good point, the browser does use it. Oct 21 16:49:20 If you've navicated several paged, and then go back, the forward gesture does the same thing as the forward button Oct 21 16:53:17 wow it's reunion day on webos Oct 21 16:54:03 yep Oct 21 16:54:16 u guys should have been here yesterday. Oct 21 16:54:29 they were giving out free 2.0 phones to devs Oct 21 16:54:55 * halfhalo got 5 Oct 21 16:58:14 i think i just maked metacity Oct 21 16:58:20 how do i run it .. im on ubntu Oct 21 16:58:27 i just did a mke Oct 21 16:58:28 oh well. I already have four palm devices. My day-one phone I use every single day, a verison I have no use for, and two pixi's. Oct 21 16:59:04 I still have this one, and looks like I will be having it for quite a while longer Oct 21 16:59:16 anyone ? Oct 21 16:59:40 Bmyers: if I'm going to load my existing stage-assistant from the app-assistant, do BOTH .js go in sources.json? Oct 21 17:00:01 macman_: what is meatacity? Oct 21 17:00:19 i see it Oct 21 17:00:22 so run metacity ? Oct 21 17:00:26 sugardave: the stage assistant is a param of .push Oct 21 17:00:28 oh Oct 21 17:00:29 my bad Oct 21 17:00:37 im trying to run metadoctor on ubuntu Oct 21 17:00:43 i just finished it i think Oct 21 17:00:54 Bmyers: right, just wondering if I need to "preload" the stage assistant file like I do with the scenes Oct 21 17:02:16 dont think i included but you can check my source Oct 21 17:02:37 good plan Oct 21 17:10:32 hi all. why would a Mojo.Event.listTap event work fine in the browser view of the emulator, but not the emulator itself? Oct 21 17:11:29 you lost me Oct 21 17:11:45 you using Ares? Oct 21 17:12:18 anyone there mind helping me use metadoctor ? Oct 21 17:17:04 sugardave: got your stage assist working? Oct 21 17:17:43 getting there, I'm examining each piece as I go Oct 21 17:17:48 i watched like all of better off ted in just 2 days Oct 21 17:17:49 about to test the stage create stuff Oct 21 17:20:19 well, look at that Oct 21 17:21:04 Hey, I saw an app (in Preware I think) that turned the pre into a digital photo frame while on the trouchstone. However, I didn't install it, and I can't find it again. Any idea what it might have been that caught my eye? Oct 21 17:23:49 or Oct 21 17:24:08 there anyway to connect pre to computer in a mode where metadoctor can see it ? Oct 21 17:24:21 for some reason its charging but the pre isn't being seen or something Oct 21 17:27:32 Developer mode on? Oct 21 17:27:41 don't know Oct 21 17:27:52 im trying to bypass the first app on use or whatever Oct 21 17:27:59 Well, if it isn't, there's your problem. Oct 21 17:28:09 * KGF2009 shrugs. Oct 21 17:28:13 That's all I know. Oct 21 17:28:19 i think i can turn it on in the makefile Oct 21 17:28:21 dunno Oct 21 17:28:42 palm-launch -c com.palm.firstuse Oct 21 17:28:44 Perhaps? Oct 21 17:28:48 you can turn it on in the makefile Oct 21 17:29:00 yes Oct 21 17:29:07 so do i do make unpack patch pack Oct 21 17:29:26 hey, rick_work, long time no see Oct 21 17:29:54 then do make make DEVICE=pre all-sprint Oct 21 17:29:57 witch do i do first ? Oct 21 17:31:08 * sugardave skips over scenario 3 for now. Oct 21 17:31:10 hmm Oct 21 17:31:22 i just did a make clobber and it rm -rf build Oct 21 17:31:25 i enabled devloper Oct 21 17:31:29 and remade it Oct 21 17:31:31 and still no go Oct 21 17:33:38 you ever doctored your phone before? Oct 21 17:35:32 when you say no go, what do you mean no go. What exactly is failing? Oct 21 17:37:06 scebario 3 is the bomb! Oct 21 17:38:56 ok Oct 21 17:39:02 so i just installed meatdoctor right Oct 21 17:39:19 i went into meta-docotor/build/pre-p100eww-spring1.4.5 Oct 21 17:39:28 i right click it and boom i get webos doctor Oct 21 17:39:31 i click english Oct 21 17:39:39 and it says connect your phone directly Oct 21 17:39:40 it is Oct 21 17:39:43 and my pre is charging Oct 21 17:39:49 whats suppose to happen now ? Oct 21 17:39:54 next is greyed out Oct 21 17:42:28 What is on your Pre's screen? Oct 21 17:42:30 ok I see the step you're missing Oct 21 17:42:34 does it have to be in charge mode? Oct 21 17:42:44 * sugardave hasn't doctored since 1.3.something Oct 21 17:44:08 http://ws.palm.com/webosdoctor/sorry.htm Oct 21 17:44:25 the bottom half of that page tells you how to put it in recovery mode Oct 21 17:50:51 hi chuqui Oct 21 17:51:35 * KGF2009 is drawing a complete blank on app ideas. Oct 21 17:57:36 Store My Cards... use camera to snap your various bar code customer loyalty cards, make a list of their names, and the tap list to bring up scannable bar code. Oct 21 17:58:06 Shiny Oct 21 18:00:33 Ooh, I've got an idea that might work; though it'd be a seldom-used app.. Oct 21 18:00:44 Anyone ever heard of Tibia? Oct 21 18:01:00 bone in your leg? Oct 21 18:01:41 Mideval MMORPG. Oct 21 18:01:54 * KGF2009 know she spelled that wrong. Oct 21 18:01:59 knows he* Oct 21 18:02:00 Wow. Oct 21 18:02:02 Epic fail. Oct 21 18:02:04 HA Oct 21 18:02:31 * KGF2009 slaps himself. Oct 21 18:03:59 dundunDUN!!!!! Oct 21 18:04:03 holycarp Oct 21 18:04:21 * halfhalo doesn't have to fly from LAX!!! Oct 21 18:04:31 so you're goin? Oct 21 18:04:54 Pretty sure Oct 21 18:04:58 We decided I was going to go this morning. Oct 21 18:04:59 haeffb_pre: assistantName....does this follow the wacky naming of say a template file? Oct 21 18:05:06 Just finished reserving my ticket. Oct 21 18:05:15 But Decisions.... I can fly out of LAX to Newark or from Burbank to JFK... Oct 21 18:05:17 so it would be stage-assistant? Or should it be StageAssistant? Oct 21 18:05:21 GOD IN HEAVEN hotel prices in NYC suck dead bunnies. Oct 21 18:05:22 Rick_work: where you staying? Oct 21 18:05:37 Rick_work: yes, they do Oct 21 18:05:38 Holiday Inn Soho. six blocks from 82 Mercer Oct 21 18:06:19 * halfhalo looks it up Oct 21 18:06:19 I wonder if they will have parking near by Oct 21 18:06:24 no it's MySceneAssistant Oct 21 18:06:28 BAH Oct 21 18:06:29 the Hampton was over $300 without full pay-in-advance. The Holiday was $231. Oct 21 18:06:44 And the Westin is 139 Oct 21 18:07:00 WHAT!?!?!? Oct 21 18:07:05 Yup Oct 21 18:07:10 Westin Jersey city Oct 21 18:07:14 haeffb_pre: okay, I just found your post on it Oct 21 18:07:22 or MyStageAssistant Oct 21 18:07:32 rick, rwhitby, oil, halfhalo, haeffb_pre, etc, wow, going to be a party at devdays :) Oct 21 18:07:33 Thats where I most likely will stay, then just take a cab across the bridge to the palm thing Oct 21 18:07:47 and plus, no 45 dollar JFK airport fee for a taxi Oct 21 18:08:01 Ahhhhh Oct 21 18:08:06 that's better Oct 21 18:08:15 woooo! Oct 21 18:08:24 didn't have it in sources Oct 21 18:08:29 tricky tricky Oct 21 18:08:32 haha Oct 21 18:09:03 * halfhalo likes bing for this Oct 21 18:09:22 "just bing it"? Oct 21 18:09:26 yeah Oct 21 18:09:27 this.listener.bind(bing)? Oct 21 18:09:29 that doesn't work Oct 21 18:09:34 "let me bing that for you"? Oct 21 18:09:35 Its is GREAT for travel/hotels Oct 21 18:09:43 everything else it sucks Oct 21 18:09:46 oh, it does exist Oct 21 18:09:47 thank god Oct 21 18:09:57 lol Oct 21 18:10:19 * halfhalo is trying to get someone else to stay at the westin so he can split the cab fare Oct 21 18:10:35 http://tinyurl.com/23owgjp Oct 21 18:10:47 huh Oct 21 18:10:48 dr. battery failed to calibrate my battery. Oct 21 18:10:56 cab fare estimater says $15. Oct 21 18:11:08 yeah Oct 21 18:11:30 ha, nice oil Oct 21 18:11:42 Its still cheaper with the cab than staying within walking distance Oct 21 18:11:57 no kidding. LOTS cheaper. Oct 21 18:12:03 Any thoughts on parking for this? Oct 21 18:12:07 Ok, I'm in. Oct 21 18:12:11 ha Oct 21 18:12:30 wooo! Now I can afford food there! Oct 21 18:12:40 haha Oct 21 18:12:50 just raid the complementary breakfast table Oct 21 18:12:55 oilsworkin, where did you get that intro from Oct 21 18:13:00 I PLAN on it Oct 21 18:13:05 load up your backpack with bagels Oct 21 18:13:07 and oranges Oct 21 18:13:18 anyone know how to create multiple sqlite tables in one line inside the app? Oct 21 18:13:24 or rather, with one query Oct 21 18:13:36 CTLAdvance: ? Oct 21 18:13:40 * halfhalo travels light when he travels alone... Oct 21 18:13:43 nm i got it workin Oct 21 18:13:45 http://tinyurl.com/2afoosz Oct 21 18:14:27 hah Oct 21 18:14:31 gah! Oct 21 18:14:37 halfhalo, the lowest rate requires fully pre-paid in advance, and I just never-ever do that. Oct 21 18:14:42 didnt you see the twitter i was signed up for? Oct 21 18:14:49 This is cool Oct 21 18:14:53 @DontBlameOul Oct 21 18:14:55 its only html / js Oct 21 18:14:58 @DontBlameOil * Oct 21 18:15:02 orly... Oct 21 18:15:07 oh let me follow u Oct 21 18:15:14 lol Oct 21 18:15:19 did you just get this? Oct 21 18:15:28 twitter was like, so last year. um yeah Oct 21 18:15:32 swisstomcat registered it for me on like tuesday Oct 21 18:15:39 noice Oct 21 18:15:55 though, idk what im going to do with it Oct 21 18:16:11 what's for lunch? Oct 21 18:16:18 you have been oiled Oct 21 18:16:21 er followed Oct 21 18:16:30 maik: I don't think you can do that Oct 21 18:16:39 i don't think so either :/ Oct 21 18:16:48 story of my life, really Oct 21 18:16:54 heh Oct 21 18:17:47 halfhalo, without pre-pay it's MORE expensive than the holiday. Sorry. Going with what I have. Oct 21 18:18:12 * oilsworkn prepaid Oct 21 18:18:21 * halfhalo will prepay as well Oct 21 18:18:49 which reminds me, i gotta call sprint to make sure im not going to be charged up the wazoo for using it in nyc Oct 21 18:19:03 you shouldn't... Oct 21 18:19:25 * halfhalo is going the prepaid route for the simple reason he can't afford it otherwise Oct 21 18:19:27 oh hey. i'll be able to try 4g on my evo!! wo hoo Oct 21 18:19:31 "..." hence why im going to call and check Oct 21 18:19:39 4g works here in LA Oct 21 18:19:41 four ga speed Oct 21 18:19:47 got 6Mb/s with one bar Oct 21 18:20:41 wow, thats going to be an hour trip just from long beach Oct 21 18:21:05 CTLAdvance: thats nothing Oct 21 18:21:11 rwhitby has like 27 hours of flying Oct 21 18:21:16 lol Oct 21 18:21:16 5 hour flight here Oct 21 18:21:17 heh Oct 21 18:21:21 and he skips an entire day on the way back Oct 21 18:21:24 thanks to timezones Oct 21 18:21:29 3 hour drive from upstate or 1 hour drive from long beach Oct 21 18:21:31 hmmm Oct 21 18:21:48 rwhitby: get the door prize for longest travel... Oct 21 18:21:50 oh thats awesome Oct 21 18:22:11 1 hour train ride Oct 21 18:22:18 hour and change... Oct 21 18:22:24 * halfhalo plans on watching movies the entire flight there and back Oct 21 18:22:29 change is a literal? Oct 21 18:22:31 and/or tv shows Oct 21 18:22:44 Fly delta, most flights have wifi Oct 21 18:23:00 I was surprised even my last trip the regional planes had wifi Oct 21 18:23:06 for 10 bucks :X Oct 21 18:24:02 delta is an extra 40 Oct 21 18:24:07 not worth it Oct 21 18:24:23 * oilsworkn will probably read a book Oct 21 18:24:40 * halfhalo has no books to read Oct 21 18:24:41 yeah I guess if your company isnt reimbursing it Oct 21 18:25:06 hah Oct 21 18:25:11 no my company. my boss is an ass Oct 21 18:25:23 maybe write some code xD Oct 21 18:25:41 psh, this is economy, like my laptop is gonna fit Oct 21 18:26:09 Make sure you get in fast Oct 21 18:26:20 I hate cheap idiots who dont pay the extra to check their bags Oct 21 18:26:26 now the bins have been full Oct 21 18:26:32 * halfhalo isn't checking his bag Oct 21 18:26:35 * oilsworkn doesnt check anything Oct 21 18:26:43 apparently CTLAdvance hates us Oct 21 18:26:47 yup Oct 21 18:27:01 its not because im cheap, its because i want to keep my eye on it so it doesn't go to nebraska Oct 21 18:27:27 Well, its because I'm cheap and sticking expensive stuff in my bag Oct 21 18:28:33 * oilsworkn assumes the rules are still 1 carryon and 1 personal/laptop bag Oct 21 18:28:35 CTLAdvance, you hate it and i hate it.. Oct 21 18:28:47 i work down where the bags go :P Oct 21 18:28:55 china? Oct 21 18:29:27 dawm really? Oct 21 18:29:38 he's the one down there looking through your bags Oct 21 18:29:39 yeah i work for US Airways in DTW (Detroit) Oct 21 18:29:44 and throwing them 20 feet onto the tarmac Oct 21 18:29:52 Not the laptop bags or backpack, the freakin massive suitcases they managed to get past security and into a bin Oct 21 18:30:03 which means my bag usually ends up on a different side of the plane Oct 21 18:30:03 security doesnt care what you have Oct 21 18:30:07 * oilsworkn roller bag fits into bin Oct 21 18:30:10 the ones with the [CENSORED]? Oct 21 18:30:19 * halfhalo doesn't have a rolly bag Oct 21 18:30:21 its the ticket agent that doesnt have the balls to tell you thats too big and start an arguement which is why they dont Oct 21 18:30:40 * oilsworkn would be asshole ticket agent Oct 21 18:30:42 I know Oct 21 18:30:47 thats actually who I meant Oct 21 18:30:50 or the gate check Oct 21 18:31:07 * halfhalo would be like NO! NO FLIGHT FOR YOU! GOOD DAY SIR! Oct 21 18:31:18 I laugh when there is a persistent flight attendant that smiles the whole time they tell someone they need to gate check their bag Oct 21 18:31:26 then go back to "fake-typing" at like 200 wpm? Oct 21 18:31:38 With the unplugged kb? Oct 21 18:31:41 lol Oct 21 18:31:50 not even looking at a monitor Oct 21 18:31:53 just a keyboard Oct 21 18:32:11 during a power outage? Oct 21 18:32:39 during a solar flare Oct 21 18:32:48 In france? Oct 21 18:32:50 so glad to be back in SERO Oct 21 18:32:54 barcelona Oct 21 18:33:03 ah Oct 21 18:33:36 * halfhalo just doesn't have a big enough bag to check Oct 21 18:33:57 * halfhalo also doesn't want to deal with that crap in LAX Oct 21 18:34:08 brb Oct 21 18:34:12 * oilsworkn imagines halfhalo walking through the airport with one of those "bundles on the end of a stick" over his shoulder Oct 21 18:34:20 I just hate having my bag on the other side of the plane Oct 21 18:34:20 lol Oct 21 18:34:24 as in if im in the back Oct 21 18:34:32 and so many bags may put mine in the front Oct 21 18:34:41 lol Oct 21 18:34:49 bah, I'm usually one of the first onthe plane for my class Oct 21 18:34:52 and ive traveled so much its happened quite a bit Oct 21 18:35:00 im always there earlier than I need to be Oct 21 18:35:12 which is a good plan Oct 21 18:35:21 esp in lax Oct 21 18:35:21 same here, but based on if im how im flying im either Oct 21 18:35:27 business, or zone 4 Oct 21 18:35:34 not in between Oct 21 18:35:34 where you have to be like a day early Oct 21 18:35:57 my plane leaves seattle at 6am Oct 21 18:36:04 which is a 2 hour drive from my town :/ Oct 21 18:36:05 * halfhalo flies econo or first class depending on whos paying Oct 21 18:36:26 I think I'm going for the 6:55am flight Oct 21 18:36:40 * oilsworkn lands at newark at like 5pm Oct 21 18:36:45 gets in at 3:40 Oct 21 18:37:01 * oilsworkn has layover in saltlake Oct 21 18:37:41 ewww Oct 21 18:37:44 what airline? Oct 21 18:37:49 idk Oct 21 18:37:51 id have to look Oct 21 18:37:57 heh Oct 21 18:38:06 no layover on the way back though Oct 21 18:38:10 Non stop is cheaper than having a layover Oct 21 18:38:20 layover was cheaper for me :/ Oct 21 18:38:34 how much cheaper? Oct 21 18:38:43 and being able to un-cram my legs and stretch them a bit in the middle is nice Oct 21 18:39:17 Actually, I have the option to have a layover if I leave from burbank Oct 21 18:39:37 same price, layover in either salt lake or chicago, but two hours longer Oct 21 18:39:41 and use a bathroom that has more then 2 cubic feet of space Oct 21 18:39:45 oh let me bing that for you Oct 21 18:39:46 http://tinyurl.com/2e922gc Oct 21 18:39:49 haha Oct 21 18:40:00 win Oct 21 18:40:12 too bad lmgtfy is better Oct 21 18:40:38 who started this oil craze? Oct 21 18:40:41 halfhalo Oct 21 18:41:21 We really need to get a silverlight plugin for webos Oct 21 18:41:53 * oilsworkn has yet to install silverlight on his pc Oct 21 18:42:00 * halfhalo did for netflix Oct 21 18:42:17 boo Oct 21 18:42:50 silverlight 4 is finally making this a really nice toolset Oct 21 18:43:20 i love mr ski mask Oct 21 18:43:26 and silverlight has an html control bridge Oct 21 18:43:30 mr ski mask? Oct 21 18:43:39 html/javascript control bridge Oct 21 18:43:46 you mean, like flash does? Oct 21 18:43:47 xD Oct 21 18:44:03 the paaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaalm guy that wears a ski mask Oct 21 18:44:19 ah Oct 21 18:44:28 yes Oct 21 18:44:33 well sort of Oct 21 18:45:12 flash can call js functions, js can call flash functions Oct 21 18:46:46 oh.... total price for hotel plus plane is 806 Oct 21 18:46:51 not bad Oct 21 18:47:02 wow, that's good. Oct 21 18:47:44 oh, wait, thats with a crap departure time Oct 21 18:47:57 its 825 with a decent one both ways Oct 21 18:49:17 which airline... Oct 21 18:49:32 who here owns a landline ? Oct 21 18:49:44 * crickets * Oct 21 18:49:44 united, american, or continental Oct 21 18:50:08 * oilsworkn uncle is pilot for continental Oct 21 18:50:27 sugardave: i could kiss you right now Oct 21 18:50:46 ohh Oct 21 18:52:55 grand total including fees... is 825.43 Oct 21 18:53:34 NOW its a party! Oct 21 18:53:46 haha Oct 21 18:54:00 and by "party" you mean, outside the pub? Oct 21 18:54:01 you guys probably didn't realize that flightTrack is made in ann arbor Oct 21 18:54:07 the now network? Oct 21 18:54:09 the popular flight tracking application Oct 21 18:54:24 it was #1 on iOS for some point in time I guess Oct 21 18:54:39 and that is all Oct 21 18:54:43 I have to contribute Oct 21 18:54:45 to today's lecture Oct 21 18:55:09 "this lecture brought to you by flightTrack"? Oct 21 18:55:44 exactly Oct 21 18:55:48 * halfhalo wants to know if there is a shuttle to/from the hotel Oct 21 18:56:27 * oilsworkn doubts it Oct 21 18:56:42 just hitch hike Oct 21 18:57:15 get one of those foldable bikes and stick it in the overhead just to annoy CTLAdvance Oct 21 18:57:23 * halfhalo thinks it might since its damn close to the airport Oct 21 18:57:27 maik: no, you can't Oct 21 18:57:36 my wife is extremely jealous Oct 21 18:57:51 lol Oct 21 18:57:52 heh Oct 21 18:58:05 i guess she could join too, but it would be awkward for me Oct 21 18:58:10 heh Oct 21 18:58:31 what did I do, anyway? Oct 21 18:58:39 that same callback/fallback method Oct 21 18:58:42 ah Oct 21 18:58:44 yeah, it's fun Oct 21 18:58:46 extending it to terribly convoluted lengths Oct 21 18:59:13 I got it on the wiki now Oct 21 18:59:18 nice Oct 21 18:59:26 * halfhalo is totally going site seeing in nyc Oct 21 18:59:29 "how to get kisses from maik" Oct 21 18:59:36 hahaha Oct 21 18:59:38 haha Oct 21 18:59:42 halfhalo: like where? Oct 21 18:59:50 * oilsworkn may want to go with ya Oct 21 18:59:53 if I were going, I'd do some geocaching Oct 21 19:00:06 lol Oct 21 19:00:08 * oilsworkn goes to lunch Oct 21 19:00:09 why the hell not Oct 21 19:18:22 well Bmyers I tried....screw Synchronize Oct 21 19:18:34 I will stick with my callback/fallback way Oct 21 19:18:41 no-va ? Oct 21 19:18:51 I can't even get .wrap to work Oct 21 19:18:55 well, I can Oct 21 19:18:58 h Oct 21 19:19:03 how come ? Oct 21 19:19:07 but then syncCallback says it doesn't exist Oct 21 19:19:19 multistage? Oct 21 19:19:30 well, I'm trying to do it in the stage assistant, yeah multi-stage Oct 21 19:20:26 why not try simple first? Oct 21 19:20:45 do you know me? Oct 21 19:21:08 i do Oct 21 19:22:26 I may take another stab at it in single-stage, but not today :D Oct 21 19:22:30 thats why i suggested Oct 21 19:36:16 thanks sugardave! Oct 21 19:36:26 it feels like a Friday Oct 21 19:38:25 what did I do now? Oct 21 19:38:58 * oil blames sugardave! Oct 21 19:39:00 xD Oct 21 19:39:02 nothing, everything Oct 21 19:39:05 hahaha Oct 21 19:39:18 * oil knows he wont be able to pass that to someone else though Oct 21 19:39:23 * oil will continue to try! Oct 21 19:39:35 yeah, it's too ingrained to leave you Oct 21 19:40:41 now the fun part. Oct 21 19:40:49 formatting the list into something that looks like eye candy :) Oct 21 19:41:16 oh did I just answer your thread or something? Oct 21 19:41:27 yes Oct 21 19:41:34 ah, I see Oct 21 19:41:37 np :D Oct 21 19:41:37 do you know how to vertically center the text? Oct 21 19:41:40 he's so modest Oct 21 19:41:51 sugardave: is #1 in modesty Oct 21 19:42:04 heh Oct 21 19:42:16 jamesderektate: no, I usually cheat with padding/margin or something Oct 21 19:42:30 CHEATER! Oct 21 19:42:35 * sugardave is a big ol' cheater. Oct 21 19:42:37 cheat her Oct 21 19:42:41 hi all Oct 21 19:42:54
Oct 21 19:43:01 ^^ don't do that... Oct 21 19:43:05 i mean Oct 21 19:43:09 vertically.. Oct 21 19:43:35 use Oct 21 19:43:38 line-height Oct 21 19:43:42 and vertical-align: center Oct 21 19:43:43 center actually works on some things Oct 21 19:43:47 it's pretty funny Oct 21 19:43:57 bad mojo Oct 21 19:44:05 I wonder if blink works Oct 21 19:44:37 any other way to get msl besides sprint Oct 21 19:45:12 ok...out of meeting hell...back to my original question: I'm developing my first app and I am listening to a listTap event and handling it like this: Oct 21 19:45:21 Mojo.Event.listen(this.controller.get('events_list'), Mojo.Event.listTap, this.listWasTapped.bind(this)); Oct 21 19:45:42 which works fine when I use the browser to view the emulator apps Oct 21 19:45:53 but doesnt work at all on the emulator itself Oct 21 19:45:55 ah, host emulator mode Oct 21 19:46:01 that is weird Oct 21 19:46:08 @sugardave: yep, that Oct 21 19:46:37 ive rread the three tuts plus webos apps Oct 21 19:46:38 josefsalyer: never seen that, if it works in host emu, should definitely work in the emu Oct 21 19:46:38 not much but Oct 21 19:46:52 only that it doesn't Oct 21 19:47:06 http://mobile.tutsplus.com/tutorials/webos/introduction-to-webos-sdk-development-part-2/ is useful Oct 21 19:47:30 so is there a way when adding items to that list to add the item listener? Oct 21 19:47:42 josefsalyer: is it possible you made code changes and pushed to the emu, but host emu is still running an older working version? Oct 21 19:48:11 I've tested that just by making some small arbitrary changes Oct 21 19:48:18 and built it a few times just to make sure Oct 21 19:48:23 when did tutsplus start? Oct 21 19:48:33 back in my php days during hs, we had sitepoint and some other stuff Oct 21 19:48:35 like yaxay Oct 21 19:48:39 tutsplus is recent? Oct 21 19:49:10 @jamesderektate: thanks, but I think I've seen that Oct 21 19:49:17 josefsalyer: wonder if an emu restart might be in order...it's rare, but sometimes eclipse+emu get wonky Oct 21 19:49:37 I can give it a shot Oct 21 19:50:02 is there any other way to declare and handle the listTap function - like in the model definition? Oct 21 19:50:15 welll Oct 21 19:50:45 you cando Mojo.Event.listen, like you have or this.controller.listen, or even js addEventListener (or whatever it is called) Oct 21 19:50:49 but the process is the same Oct 21 19:51:15 Anybody knows a good AES encryption script? With padding support, and so on... Oct 21 19:52:05 josefsalyer: but no, you can't declare the listener in the model or attributes Oct 21 19:52:58 rafabernad: no clue :( Oct 21 19:53:20 as you may have seen, I'm bad at encryption :D Oct 21 19:53:54 restarting had no effect Oct 21 19:54:03 :( Oct 21 19:55:47 holy s***... I need that for Forums gallery Oct 21 19:57:22 josefsalyer: that's really strange...want to pastebin your code? Oct 21 19:57:32 http://webos.pastebin.com Oct 21 20:00:58 yep...one sec. Oct 21 20:01:39 @sugardave: do you just want the assistant setup? Oct 21 20:01:50 or the whole thing? Oct 21 20:01:59 whole thing is fine Oct 21 20:02:41 http://webos.pastebin.com/EEwTvk1s Oct 21 20:03:23 alright, gimme a few Oct 21 20:03:52 lol Oct 21 20:06:31 * oil would look, but was busy watching http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXElh_VM0Uc and is now going back to work :) Oct 21 20:06:40 lol Oct 21 20:07:21 * halfhalo is watching hulu while bashing at the kb making it look like he is working Oct 21 20:08:56 BASHBASHBASH Oct 21 20:09:02 Look, I made a program! Oct 21 20:10:09 josefsalyer: this isn't going to change anything, but instead of .bind(this) for your list tap, use .bindAsEventListener(this) Oct 21 20:10:13 good habit to be in Oct 21 20:10:53 Wow, this is strange Oct 21 20:10:57 I styled my list properly, and it looks great Oct 21 20:11:04 But the list part that is not on the screen, it is not styled with the background Oct 21 20:11:06 Interesting Oct 21 20:11:18 Must be a big, since the font styling, etc. all works Oct 21 20:11:23 ok, thanks! Oct 21 20:15:45 not a sprint customer and i want to get a msl for this pre i purchaesd .. i want to chat them .. what should i ask them ? Oct 21 20:15:48 josefsalyer: I like to do it like this - http://webos.pastebin.com/yp2uPcqk Oct 21 20:16:15 yep, I just made that change as you pasted it Oct 21 20:16:20 sweet Oct 21 20:16:25 I didn't know why, it just felt right :) Oct 21 20:17:20 i was looking at a hardware keylogger as somoene mentioned they needed one to spy on their mom... well one of the peoples testimonys was that they were using it to back up their typing... Oct 21 20:17:22 but otherwise that list stuff looks good...it's not throwing the console log for listWasTapped in the emu, but it is in inspect mode? Oct 21 20:18:09 it's throwing the log event in the host emulator mode and showing the dialog, but on the emulator itself it doesn't like life Oct 21 20:18:34 I haven't quite figured out where logging statements appear on the emulator itself, btw Oct 21 20:18:41 oh Oct 21 20:18:50 I just started developing on palm this week Oct 21 20:19:01 where are you looking for the console log message when running in the emu? Oct 21 20:19:25 tail -f /var/log/messages | grep net.xon.tv Oct 21 20:19:38 good night everyone Oct 21 20:19:43 hotdp: night Oct 21 20:19:51 nite hotdp Oct 21 20:21:21 josefsalyer: yes that is correct, I JUST saw a shortcut for it about a month ago: log [string] Oct 21 20:21:33 saves some keystrokes Oct 21 20:23:26 sugardave: but that doesn't spit out the statements generated by console.log, thos Oct 21 20:23:32 *though Oct 21 20:23:36 well, it should Oct 21 20:23:54 you said you're using eclipse/aptana, right? Oct 21 20:23:58 yep Oct 21 20:24:37 can you make Mojo.Log.error(text); show in there? Oct 21 20:24:44 let me try Oct 21 20:24:52 or put a console.log in activate() Oct 21 20:26:33 sugardave: i take it back, those statements are in there, just missing them due to the chatty nature of that log Oct 21 20:26:44 ah Oct 21 20:26:44 good Oct 21 20:26:51 so that means it is working Oct 21 20:27:56 yep, just need to get the dialog to really show now Oct 21 20:37:39 so all got msl from sprint Oct 21 20:37:44 trying to bypass first app / profile Oct 21 20:37:50 i just did ##786# and doing a reset Oct 21 20:37:53 would this work ? Oct 21 20:51:53 does anyone mind testing this ipk on their phone real quick? I don't have a pre, so I don't know whether or not the link to the market will work Oct 21 20:51:57 ? :) Oct 21 20:52:38 sure Oct 21 20:52:39 ill test it Oct 21 20:52:50 did u get someone? Oct 21 20:52:58 whoolio: thanks! Oct 21 20:53:08 whoolio: do you have an e-mail, so I can send the ipk to that? Oct 21 20:53:18 yep Oct 21 20:53:43 Hey, now that there's no longer any Java in webOS, can we get the source for OasisVM? :) Oct 21 20:54:18 * sugardave still has Java in his webOS. :( Oct 21 20:55:22 * halfhalo killed java with a knife Oct 21 20:56:35 there's really no longer any java in webos? Oct 21 20:56:38 how do you figure? Oct 21 20:57:07 It was only used in the service layer, and they've all been ported to node.js or native, from what I've read Oct 21 20:57:17 yupyup Oct 21 20:57:26 summatusmentis: in 2.0 it shall be no more Oct 21 20:57:47 orly Oct 21 20:57:51 I did not know this Oct 21 20:58:11 yep, we're supposed to be able to do all kinds of cool stuff Oct 21 20:58:22 time will tell :D Oct 21 20:58:41 I should look into node.js Oct 21 20:58:43 node.js is single-threaded but presumably each service runs in its own process anyway Oct 21 20:58:53 summatusmentis: indeed, you should Oct 21 20:59:45 sugardave: I'm gonna make my xml stuf first Oct 21 20:59:53 stuff work first* Oct 21 20:59:54 sugardave: could it be how I have them defined in my sources file? Oct 21 21:00:13 summatusmentis: erg, still fighting with that? Oct 21 21:00:44 sugardave: that was it Oct 21 21:00:45 josefsalyer: is it a custom dialog? Oct 21 21:00:49 it is Oct 21 21:00:54 and that's what it was Oct 21 21:01:03 josefsalyer: it could, you don't include a scnes property with it Oct 21 21:01:05 oh good Oct 21 21:01:07 fixed Oct 21 21:01:15 yep, no scenes property Oct 21 21:03:48 sugardave: unfortunately, I have school and things that take precedence. Oct 21 21:03:59 I don't get to be a full time dev like some people Oct 21 21:04:38 summatusmentis: I understand...did you make any progress yet? Oct 21 21:05:26 nope, haven't looked at it since last time we talked Oct 21 21:05:49 ah, well I wish you luck :D Oct 21 21:05:53 studying for the GRE in 2 weeks feels more pressing :) Oct 21 21:05:58 indeed Oct 21 21:06:12 i should look into such things Oct 21 21:06:25 i could totally become a full time dev like some people Oct 21 21:06:44 ok what gives, adding a new contact throws an error, try again Oct 21 21:06:55 till it just goes back to the main contacts search Oct 21 21:07:17 * Tibfib has decided he's going to try to go to devday. Oct 21 21:07:25 Robi_: no contact account specified? Oct 21 21:07:34 no full-time dev, but my situation leaves me a lot of free time, so I'm semi-part-full-time webOS dev Oct 21 21:07:34 Tibfib: !!!! Oct 21 21:07:43 Tibfib: cool :D Oct 21 21:07:55 yeah! I think it's worth $1000 or so :) Oct 21 21:08:06 not like I have to pay for anything else... Oct 21 21:08:11 haeffb_pre: you're right.. it was blank Oct 21 21:08:24 * halfhalo is only spending 825 to go Oct 21 21:08:25 haeffb_pre: wtg! Oct 21 21:08:28 sugar where did u start ur deving Oct 21 21:08:31 am i missing a default setting? Oct 21 21:08:33 halfhalo: I have to pay for my sister to come too. Oct 21 21:08:43 iWinRar: Mojo :D Oct 21 21:08:48 Tibfib why? lol Oct 21 21:09:00 really sugardave no previous experince prior to that? Oct 21 21:09:15 I'm 16. So I can't go by myself. And my sister kinda wants to go. Oct 21 21:09:24 iWinRar: basic shell script/batch file stuff...I took Pascal in high schoon (mumble) years ago Oct 21 21:09:33 My brother in law didn't want to go...lol Oct 21 21:10:11 FORTRAN! Oct 21 21:10:25 iWinRar: and I can hack around php a bit...I suck at html/css Oct 21 21:10:27 er... TI BASIC Oct 21 21:10:33 ahh Oct 21 21:10:40 what have you made so far for webos? Oct 21 21:11:35 nothing too great :D Mind Master, Yule Log (the original holiday fireplace app), BOFH Excuse Generator, iHaveSpiritBeta, and Scan Do! Oct 21 21:11:43 the first 3 were from last year ;) Oct 21 21:11:57 plus I have done some freelancing for others Oct 21 21:12:29 hmm default is still set in prefs Oct 21 21:13:23 iWinRar: basically, I like the logic part, so my apps aren't real pretty (or useful in some cases ;) Oct 21 21:14:12 lol Oct 21 21:14:25 who needs pretty when you have functional Oct 21 21:14:31 indeed Oct 21 21:20:00 ew.. a red wii Oct 21 21:20:01 http://img.ed4.net/nintendo/2010/50454_Mario/wii.jpg Oct 21 21:20:19 I wonder if the PALMMM guy is from palm. Oct 21 21:20:28 http://blog.palm.com/palm/2010/10/you-just-never-know-whats-going-to-stumble-into-your-email-inbox-just-yesterday-we-announced-webos-20-and-the-new-palm-p.html Oct 21 21:21:23 I think this is the funniest PALLLLMMM video yet. Oct 21 21:23:37 morning Oct 21 21:24:05 rwhitby: morning Oct 21 21:24:42 holy crap is that funny Oct 21 21:26:28 nice Oct 21 21:26:38 blackberry torch ad on a palm pre video on youtube.. Oct 21 21:26:53 lol Oct 21 21:27:12 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nD4yybBVSnU&NR=1&feature=fvwp Oct 21 21:27:16 old but pretty funny Oct 21 21:29:09 lol. never saw that Oct 21 21:31:47 cant watch g4 unless that glor what-her-name is on there? Oct 21 21:32:05 mung Oct 21 21:32:08 yeah her Oct 21 21:32:26 g4 sucks Oct 21 21:32:51 what was the girls name on g4 that was wonder woman? Oct 21 21:32:51 it sucks cause i dont get it in HD with my cable company, did with my old one but thats a given as it was comcast ;p Oct 21 21:33:19 olivia mung iirc Oct 21 21:33:29 olivia, that was it Oct 21 21:33:34 munn Oct 21 21:33:35 hotter than doughnut grease Oct 21 21:33:38 http://www.oliviamunn.com/ Oct 21 21:34:15 is she not on g4 anymore? Oct 21 21:34:34 who knows who cares Oct 21 21:34:45 i last saw her on the daily show Oct 21 21:34:56 she might just be on 'hiatus' Oct 21 21:44:38 cranky pants Oct 21 21:48:03 is there a good way to get the label of a selected list item given its value? Oct 21 21:48:54 I think a loop is the only way Oct 21 21:49:05 no, you can Oct 21 21:49:09 depending on how you are getting the value? is it a listener? Oct 21 21:49:20 nope Oct 21 21:49:26 Dr-EVOl: asplain Oct 21 21:49:52 lemme see if komodo still explodes on me Oct 21 21:52:15 it's not a huge deal Oct 21 21:52:30 this.cmdMenuModel.items[0].items[1].label Oct 21 21:52:40 your model may look different of course Oct 21 21:53:15 the label will be an object of the array Oct 21 21:53:42 is this in a menu or something. where is this label of yours? Oct 21 21:54:00 yes but you're referencing by index in an array and not by an element's value Oct 21 21:54:03 'value' Oct 21 21:54:06 it's in a list Oct 21 21:54:09 maik: loop. Oct 21 21:54:15 Tibfib: ya Oct 21 21:54:16 maik: Prototype's find or detect or a loop Oct 21 21:54:33 oh, yeah prototype might have something to shorten youru code Oct 21 21:54:48 pay to play Oct 21 21:54:53 if it proves to be a problem i'll keep that in mind Oct 21 21:55:05 thanks Oct 21 21:55:37 they need to stop having whataburger commercials while I'm stuck here and starving Oct 21 21:56:04 no whataburger commercials here. you'd be safe Oct 21 21:56:37 that also means no whataburger, though Oct 21 21:56:43 sadness Oct 21 21:56:56 not a one. white castle? Oct 21 21:57:01 can you iterate over variables in an array passed to a template? Oct 21 21:57:02 right. As long as taco tico and mcDonalds and burger king and Churches Chiken and such commercials don't bother you. Oct 21 21:57:36 sugardave: I would totally buy you a burger for helping out me and my compadres over the last couple days Oct 21 21:58:07 I don't know if I've ever had a 'from the place' White Castle burger Oct 21 21:58:19 you would know Oct 21 21:58:43 lol Oct 21 21:58:52 josefsalyer: you sort of can iterate over them, there's a 'formatters' property of the list and every time it gets rendered the formatters are run Oct 21 21:59:06 Rick_work: I know I've had an unfrozen one, I'm sure the fresh ones are better Oct 21 21:59:30 sugardave: do you have any examples you can point to? Oct 21 21:59:39 in fact, I do! Oct 21 21:59:56 hah Oct 21 22:00:07 josefsalyer: http://webos101.com/List#List_formatters Oct 21 22:00:59 josefsalyer: and here's some stupidity you can do with them: http://www.sugardave.com/blogs/sugardave/07-14-2010/getting-more-formatters Oct 21 22:02:04 sugardave: ahh, ok...pretty much what I thought. Oct 21 22:02:12 it's quite handy Oct 21 22:04:35 my handy is quite handy Oct 21 22:34:56 angry birds is freaking awesome Oct 21 22:35:54 sugardave: have you ever seen this: Uncaught TypeError: string is not a function ? Oct 21 22:38:17 hah, nevermind Oct 21 22:38:27 it is Nyceane, android folk got it for free Oct 21 22:38:47 I know... Oct 21 22:38:53 they have stupid ads Oct 21 22:39:06 and have to shut down internet before playing in order to get the best result -_- Oct 21 22:39:14 1 million downloads day 1 Oct 21 22:39:26 yah, I don't know why they release it for free... Oct 21 22:39:34 who knows Oct 21 22:39:38 android is a big market, they can easily cash in 300,000 Oct 21 22:39:42 $300,000 for the budget Oct 21 22:39:58 maybe one guy on the team made it on android... Oct 21 22:40:34 Rick_work: howdy Oct 21 22:42:02 Hey all! Oct 21 22:42:06 halfhalo: We need to talk... Oct 21 22:42:14 http://unplugged.rcrwireless.com/index.php/20101021/app-corner/4446/angry-birds-hits-3-million-android-downloads-and-a-new-halloween-version/ Oct 21 22:43:09 The current version on Android is free, but Rovio says it plans on releasing an ‘ad-free’ paid for version of the title at some later date. Rovio says it also plans to offer developers the possibility to serve ads within their app for free. Oct 21 22:45:30 i want :( Oct 21 22:49:27 sugardave: Mizzou is one of just three schools to be nationally ranked in the Top 16 of both the MBB and football coaches polls. Oct 21 22:49:42 sad only 40k or so downloads for weobs Oct 21 22:49:45 err webos Oct 21 22:50:01 not even Oct 21 22:50:05 just over 30k... Oct 21 22:50:20 that's about half of them. Oct 21 22:50:38 the android version with the ads are prob going to make more money then that lol Oct 21 23:15:36 how does one go about styling the default dialogue window rounded corners? I've dug into the dom and i'm scratching my head Oct 21 23:40:02 aw, josefslayer left, i was just going to tell them how Oct 21 23:40:06 Rick_work: so, we have the chance to do an in-person Preware 2.0 architecture meeting Oct 21 23:40:30 hardcore Oct 21 23:40:31 Now THAT will be interesting Oct 21 23:41:19 rwhitby: do you know when you arrive yet? Oct 21 23:42:25 oil: I do not have flight details yet, but all flights from Australia get into LAX or SFO early morning (usually about half an hour before I leave Adelaide on the same day), so most likely is 5pm-ish Oct 21 23:42:54 your stopping over in LAX? Oct 21 23:43:07 * halfhalo leaves for home Oct 21 23:43:30 halfhalo: not many planes can make it from NYC to SYD on one tank of fuel Oct 21 23:50:35 that's qantas' dream..that and london Oct 21 23:54:52 anyone try activating a sprint pre on virgin mobile? Oct 21 23:54:57 http://www.bnet.com/blog/businesstips/get-a-no-contract-android-phone-for-25-per-month/9324 Oct 21 23:55:10 virgin is GSM, no? Oct 21 23:55:19 no, they use sprints network Oct 21 23:55:27 http://www.virginmobileusa.com/cell-phones/samsung-intercept-phone.jsp Oct 21 23:55:48 ah, virgin mobile USA Oct 21 23:56:01 (virgin mobile is in many different countries, and most of them are GSM) Oct 21 23:56:03 yes Oct 21 23:56:12 for good reason ;] Oct 21 23:57:54 When I use Mojo.Controller.StageController.popScene(returnValue, options), what is the method that catches the return value? Oct 21 23:58:18 activate() on the underlying scene Oct 21 23:59:15 So would it look like PreviousScene.prototype.activate = function(value){...}? Oct 21 23:59:33 or just function Activate() Oct 22 00:00:18 just do actiavte(one, two, three, four) Oct 22 00:00:21 then log them Oct 22 00:00:24 and see whats there :) Oct 22 00:05:34 I see that it logs "About to activate scene events" (events is the previous scene on the stack), but it doesn't hit my activate(value) method Oct 22 00:10:09 PreviousScene.prototype.activate = function(value) {...} Oct 22 00:10:39 if (value) {...} Oct 22 00:14:29 doh. All of a sudden I'm on old twitter again. I liked new twitter >.< Oct 22 00:25:15 hi all Oct 22 00:27:06 looky what the apple tree dropped Oct 22 00:27:27 heh I found my old login account Oct 22 00:27:52 i know someone who's been there 35yrs Oct 22 00:28:26 must be saved immediately! Oct 22 00:28:54 nah Oct 22 00:29:47 Im a webOS n00b, Im porting our iphone app to webOS. I have a question on ListView Oct 22 00:30:16 ask Oct 22 00:30:20 the ListView has a list of news headlines - [Photo] [Headline] Oct 22 00:30:39 except on the first cell, where I want to show a [Huge Photo] [Headline Centered below the photo] Oct 22 00:30:44 I have been reading the docs Oct 22 00:31:09 and read about the first row and last row identifiers Oct 22 00:31:46 if I have something like this: Oct 22 00:32:18 ...looking for the files ... one sec Oct 22 00:32:46 i've got swap&drop2 running in automode.. lets see how long endless actually runs Oct 22 00:34:26
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Oct 22 00:34:32 Oct 22 00:34:39 InfiniteLoop: pastebin!!!! Oct 22 00:34:46 got it Oct 22 00:35:08 http://pastebin.com/LYK1pA0h Oct 22 00:35:56 sorry about the flood Oct 22 00:35:59 this is in a listWidget? Oct 22 00:36:11 yes its a listview widget Oct 22 00:36:22 I don't think it works like that. Oct 22 00:36:32 the rows are dynamic - all of them have a common format, except for the first row Oct 22 00:36:43 the rowTemplate can't be different for first row, and remainder of rows. Oct 22 00:36:48 However... Oct 22 00:37:11 ...you can use formatters to assign a different CSS style to the first row Oct 22 00:39:23 http://www.webos101.com/List#List_formatters Oct 22 00:39:25 the format would be applied to the components - for eg: #{image} right ? Oct 22 00:40:06 thanks very much, I'll check it out Oct 22 00:41:04 you can do something like #{rowFormatted} Oct 22 00:41:30 class=#{rowFormatted} Oct 22 00:41:52 whoa, hp slate announced: http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/21/hp-slate-finally-finally-official-rings-up-at-799/ Oct 22 00:41:54 and the formatter function return "firstRow" if the index is 0 and "" if not Oct 22 00:42:52 ah cool Oct 22 00:47:25 w7 slate Oct 22 00:52:24 if i could have got a w7 phone on Sprint I would Oct 22 00:56:26 anyone know if Palm SDK is compatible with VirtualBox 3.2.10 ? Oct 22 00:56:40 on mac os x Oct 22 00:58:04 works with 3.2.6 .. probably would work with 3.2.10 Oct 22 00:58:40 maybe...maybe not Oct 22 01:00:37 I think I screwed it up by upgrading to 3.2.10, checking if re-installing the SDK works Oct 22 01:00:57 I think the latest sdks work with the latest virtual boxes Oct 22 01:03:16 yeah usually the 3rd number is for very minor changes Oct 22 01:03:57 * haeffb using 3.2.6 Oct 22 01:04:31 http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Changelog Oct 22 01:07:33 sdk 1.4.5 vbox 3.2.6 mac osx works Oct 22 01:07:47 on 3.2.10 the webos UI just flickers and the screen is blank most of the time, switching to 3.2.6 Oct 22 01:07:49 * Tibfib using 3.0.10 Oct 22 01:08:03 havent tried updating vbox Oct 22 01:11:59 3.2.10 seems to work for me Oct 22 01:49:58 hi all Oct 22 01:51:05 haha. this is a good office episode. Oct 22 01:51:10 JenP: howdy Oct 22 01:51:19 hi Tibfib Oct 22 01:52:50 Hi JenP Oct 22 01:53:04 * JenP waves Oct 22 01:53:12 hi jennP Oct 22 01:53:13 hey JenP Oct 22 01:53:28 * rwhitby is currently writing up the history of WebOS Internals ... Oct 22 01:53:33 hi Rod! oh did you get the pic ok? of the penguin Oct 22 01:53:34 * haeffb still catching up on old Office from DVR Oct 22 01:54:04 JenP: for SuperTux, yes. Oct 22 01:54:07 ep 126 Oct 22 01:54:16 hi JenP Oct 22 01:54:16 JenP: no word from egaudet though Oct 22 01:54:27 haeffb!! Hi ya Oct 22 01:54:43 oh no worries...we just wanted to make sure it was ok to use Oct 22 01:54:53 9 Jun 2009, "OK ROM comes" thread posted. 10 Jun 2009, WebOS Internals founded. Oct 22 01:56:21 Rod...you're not writing that in your history are you? Oct 22 01:58:29 JenP: yes? Oct 22 01:59:06 kk...when ur done. if you want you can send it to me. Oct 22 01:59:30 JenP: I shall ask you to cast your careful eye over the whole presentation :) Oct 22 01:59:42 kk Oct 22 02:00:16 * rwhitby sends ascii text, and hopes for multimedia extravaganza by return email. Oct 22 02:00:27 lol Oct 22 02:01:31 oh webos internals... how old you are... Oct 22 02:05:29 on Jun 8, a Palm engineer said "I'm kind of surprised nobody's completely ripped apart the whole OS and started writing custom patches and stuff for it" ... Oct 22 02:06:19 (of course, there was still no webOS files available outside of NDA at that point, until the webOS Doctor was found on Jun 9. Oct 22 02:11:57 I'm trying to localize my app in French and accents aren't showing correctly. Any ideas why? Oct 22 02:12:40 They show as squares in webOS Oct 22 02:12:54 or vertical rectangles, whatever I call them hehe Oct 22 02:12:56 flash :D Oct 22 02:14:20 could use a little help with setTimeout if any one wants to help Oct 22 02:16:16 no takes? i dont blame you...lol Oct 22 02:16:21 no takers... Oct 22 02:16:48 if its any help, Im a n00b, I could try Oct 22 02:17:07 im trying to do a countdown function Oct 22 02:17:47 it shoudl be about 5 lines of code...but setTimeout doens't seem to work the way you'd expect it to work Oct 22 02:18:36 code snippet (on pastebin) ? Oct 22 02:18:36 do you know how to use setTimeout in ares? Oct 22 02:18:43 wokring on that Oct 22 02:19:04 ah, no I never used ares Oct 22 02:19:44 thats ok Oct 22 02:20:15 wow they finally launched the windows 7 tablet and at 799. Oct 22 02:20:24 HP that is Oct 22 02:20:38 799? no thanks lol Oct 22 02:21:36 hodl on...ireally butured my code Oct 22 02:21:43 wow yeah, I was expecting 499/599 Oct 22 02:23:41 i wonder how much of that is licensing windows7? Oct 22 02:24:12 whoolio: something like - var timerId = setTimeout(function(){//do stuff}.bind(this), 3000); // for a 3-second timeout Oct 22 02:24:22 I bet MS is giving discounts just to get these on the market Oct 22 02:24:31 probably $45 or less Oct 22 02:24:33 here it is Oct 22 02:24:34 http://pastebin.com/vBKZFhRr Oct 22 02:25:28 whoolio: slap that .bind(this) at the end of the inner function and you should be set Oct 22 02:25:53 * Tibfib is bored Oct 22 02:26:10 like this setTimeout(function().bind(this) Oct 22 02:26:26 well with webos we hopefully wont see a bump up for the OS Oct 22 02:26:29 webOSAllStarDay, nice Oct 22 02:26:38 whoolio: after the } Oct 22 02:26:40 part Oct 22 02:26:50 function(){}.bind(this) Oct 22 02:27:35 like so? }.bind(this),(mydelay-i)*1000); Oct 22 02:27:47 yep Oct 22 02:27:59 yeah...stil not working Oct 22 02:28:04 it updates to a -1 Oct 22 02:28:05 bummer Oct 22 02:28:17 but did it delay? Oct 22 02:28:35 no Oct 22 02:28:43 hmmm Oct 22 02:28:55 i can't figure this one out Oct 22 02:28:59 Yeah, I will probably actually buy this, specs are pretty good. I will probably do a fresh install of 7 on it and add IE9. Oct 22 02:29:09 I just need a good Win7 Tablet Oct 22 02:29:45 am i decreasing i correctly? Oct 22 02:30:19 I think maybe not Oct 22 02:30:36 first time through, you are timing out for (5 - 5) * 1000 Oct 22 02:30:38 0 Oct 22 02:30:58 heh Oct 22 02:31:08 but 0*1000 = 0 Oct 22 02:31:14 right Oct 22 02:31:16 no delay Oct 22 02:31:19 right Oct 22 02:31:24 right Oct 22 02:31:24 oh I see Oct 22 02:31:27 this is what you want Oct 22 02:31:36 yeah..cause it shoudl count from 5 down Oct 22 02:31:39 immediately Oct 22 02:31:44 whoolio: might be better to use setInterval? Oct 22 02:31:55 once a second, decrement, display Oct 22 02:31:58 but i want it to stop at 0 Oct 22 02:32:55 if (i > -1) { //update} Oct 22 02:33:11 else { // kill the interval} Oct 22 02:34:09 Anyone here use Kindle reader app for PC/Mac Oct 22 02:34:55 ok...i never did a setInterval before Oct 22 02:35:00 anythign special abotu webOS Oct 22 02:35:18 well, its based on web technologies Oct 22 02:35:40 but we havent received full support for web technologies, and some features are crippled Oct 22 02:35:49 but other than that its very special Oct 22 02:36:21 whoolio: something like this might do it: http://pastebin.com/jp1T5eMS Oct 22 02:37:56 sugardave you're awesome!!!!!! Oct 22 02:38:00 it worked! Oct 22 02:38:04 :D Oct 22 02:38:22 i sepnd so much tim eon this today Oct 22 02:38:28 i spent so much time on this today Oct 22 02:38:36 now you know :D Oct 22 02:39:18 totally Oct 22 02:40:05 whoolio: saving that reference to either setTimeout or setInterval is important so you can kill them when necessary Oct 22 02:40:42 yeah...i see that Oct 22 02:40:59 its strange ..its workign but its really not running at a second a time Oct 22 02:41:05 some secodns are faster Oct 22 02:41:14 i know hats a javascript bug Oct 22 02:41:17 in your emu or on the phone? Oct 22 02:41:19 Spanska: is your strings.json encoded as UTF-8 ? Oct 22 02:41:22 anyone know where i can get the code that power ares Oct 22 02:41:44 i keep doing some weird magic with _mojoController and I want to know what the hell it is Oct 22 02:41:46 I dont think thats available Oct 22 02:41:58 can you view source it Oct 22 02:42:03 that's what i want Oct 22 02:42:13 is it in the framework code somewhere Oct 22 02:42:16 dkarapet: shouldn't be using private methods...tsk tsk :P Oct 22 02:42:25 but they are so powerful Oct 22 02:42:35 they really let you do some cool stuff Oct 22 02:42:41 they are "no-gos" for the catalog Oct 22 02:42:42 that i don't think is possible otherwise Oct 22 02:42:51 I bet it is :D Oct 22 02:42:52 yeah your app wont make the catalog Oct 22 02:43:00 i'll try anyway Oct 22 02:43:03 read:NAN Player Oct 22 02:43:37 dkarapet - They review everything for these methods, you will be left to homebrew only Oct 22 02:43:59 but dont listen to us Oct 22 02:44:56 so no ares source code then? Oct 22 02:45:18 no Oct 22 02:45:21 that stuff will be in the regular Mojo source Oct 22 02:45:23 no soup for you Oct 22 02:45:42 Isnt ares JSP anyways Oct 22 02:45:44 alright time to retool some stuff then Oct 22 02:46:00 i think it's just regular javascript on top of the framework Oct 22 02:46:03 dkarapet: what are you tring to do that needs _mojoController? Oct 22 02:46:41 dynamic style setting Oct 22 02:46:50 i haven't figured out how to do it otherwise Oct 22 02:47:02 don't know of another way of repainting the dom Oct 22 02:47:07 like CSS styles for elements? Oct 22 02:47:12 ya Oct 22 02:47:23 not css styles! Oct 22 02:47:32 well they are some kind of styles Oct 22 02:47:38 width, height, text, etc Oct 22 02:47:43 this.controller.get(element).style.fontSize = '0.8em'; Oct 22 02:48:03 well if you work from ares it's not that simple Oct 22 02:48:13 thats we we dont use ares Oct 22 02:48:14 because there is some magic that paints the dom Oct 22 02:48:19 for advanced programming Oct 22 02:48:25 every change has to pass through ares Oct 22 02:48:28 Ares has some way to get the element Oct 22 02:48:40 and simple dom changes don't propagate unless you do it in some special way Oct 22 02:48:49 _mojoController is one way i have figured out Oct 22 02:49:05 no change has to pass through ares, just use a regular editor and the batch files Oct 22 02:49:28 dkarapet: any style setting should propagate OR you can just call .activate() again when you want to repaint Oct 22 02:49:42 activate()? Oct 22 02:49:48 yeah Oct 22 02:49:50 scene method Oct 22 02:50:05 not element method? Oct 22 02:50:10 nope Oct 22 02:50:32 this.activate() would work if you call it while in the scene somewhere Oct 22 02:50:35 I think Oct 22 02:51:07 back in a sec Oct 22 02:51:52 no good Oct 22 02:52:02 no repaint Oct 22 02:52:10 elements overlap Oct 22 02:52:20 care to share your code on pastebin so I can see what you're trying to do? Oct 22 02:52:24 sure Oct 22 02:53:34 http://pastebin.com/feuVuMtu Oct 22 02:54:49 place an html widget one above the other Oct 22 02:54:57 call one details and the other whatever you want Oct 22 02:55:16 place some stuff in the second Oct 22 02:55:28 so you see what happens when the one above is resized Oct 22 02:55:57 in my case i'm resizing details Oct 22 02:56:01 as new info comes in Oct 22 02:57:02 where is the _mojoController part? Oct 22 02:57:13 oh i'm not using that in that example Oct 22 02:57:26 I see...hang on a sec Oct 22 02:57:29 i just wanted to show you that resizing overlaps Oct 22 02:57:42 elements when done on the dom the old fashioned way **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Oct 22 02:59:58 2010