**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Oct 22 02:59:58 2010 Oct 22 03:00:49 I can't run Ares, so can't just drop this in, but try this real quick: http://pastebin.com/TwZSTxFg Oct 22 03:02:25 back in a sec Oct 22 03:03:36 nope still overlap Oct 22 03:03:40 anyone seen any rumors on upgrading 1.4.5 pre's to 2.0 down the road? Oct 22 03:04:05 dkarapet: essentially, I don't think you can resize via DOM methods in .setup() Oct 22 03:04:12 you can Oct 22 03:04:16 you gotta call setHeight Oct 22 03:04:29 it does all the magic of replacing everything in the right place so things don't overlap Oct 22 03:04:30 interesting Oct 22 03:04:42 Ares magic Oct 22 03:04:44 ? Oct 22 03:04:50 essentially Oct 22 03:05:03 and since i don't have access to the source code i have no idea what is happening behind the scenes Oct 22 03:05:21 if you use ares prescribed methods the scene layout is recomputed automatically Oct 22 03:05:24 can you try the same thing using a text editor and the palm-package command Oct 22 03:05:25 and everything flows nicely Oct 22 03:05:39 won't that bypass ares Oct 22 03:05:43 Yes Oct 22 03:05:47 thats the point Oct 22 03:06:11 actually i don't know how the dom is repainted without ares Oct 22 03:06:16 so i'll have to do some experiments Oct 22 03:06:40 i think everything is put in its proper place as long as the view layout is ok Oct 22 03:07:03 Ares is a sandbox for developers who dont usually develop to come in and easily make apps Oct 22 03:07:19 ya it's pretty neat Oct 22 03:07:24 it actually goes a long way Oct 22 03:07:27 advanced things should be done through a propper editor like Notepad++, kimodo, or eclipse Oct 22 03:07:37 that's what i thought at first too Oct 22 03:07:50 at least until they add the robustness that people need to make advanced changes Oct 22 03:08:06 but then i discovered that you can essentially use ares to your advantage if you place a whole bunch of html widgets and use _mojoController Oct 22 03:08:36 Yeah and that will get banned from the catalog Oct 22 03:08:36 Dr-EVOl: If my Pre minus can't run 2.0, I don't know who to be more pissed at...Palm or Sprint for not having the Pre 2 so I can upgrade Oct 22 03:09:04 dkarapet: can do the same thing in Mojo, all you really need to do is handle setting up the widgets Oct 22 03:09:22 it's cool Oct 22 03:09:31 and I don't seem to have a repainting problem...when I say change this it changes Oct 22 03:10:20 sugardave - u mean manually in an editor Oct 22 03:10:21 i'm familiar with regular browser apps so i assume the same thing will happen in ares if i bypass it Oct 22 03:10:32 ares is an IDE Oct 22 03:10:40 i just like leveraging ares functionality Oct 22 03:10:43 you arent bypassing it, as its not required Oct 22 03:10:45 CTLAdvance: right, in my code...if I want to make something bigger it does it Oct 22 03:10:47 since it takes out a lot of boilerplate Oct 22 03:10:52 sugardave same here Oct 22 03:11:00 I dont like ares for the quirks it has Oct 22 03:11:07 its great for beginners and simple apps Oct 22 03:11:15 you should give it a try Oct 22 03:11:20 I have Oct 22 03:11:37 this.$.element.modelChanged() is more than worth it Oct 22 03:11:56 and it's got other boilerplate removal techniques as well Oct 22 03:12:01 this.model = newStuff; this.controller.modelChanged(this.model); Oct 22 03:12:20 i'm just saying that's one of the things it does Oct 22 03:12:28 it also makes templates and other stuff easy to work with Oct 22 03:13:03 you gotta understand I learned all this Mojo before Ares was available Oct 22 03:13:05 Dr-EVOl: Palm's website says 2.0 is coming to Sprint Pre, Pixi, etc. Oct 22 03:13:15 does scoop have background notifications? Oct 22 03:13:33 i wrote some test things in regular mojo Oct 22 03:13:34 haeffb: wonder if they'll overclock it for us? Oct 22 03:13:36 and then tried ares Oct 22 03:13:39 * haeffb not making much progress on a dev day presentation Oct 22 03:13:53 doubt it. Oct 22 03:13:53 ares was just much easier so i stuck with it Oct 22 03:14:10 dkarapet: I submitted 3 apps before we had such fancy things as proper documentation, Ares, etc... Oct 22 03:14:17 lol Oct 22 03:14:26 it was blood sweat and tears all the way :D Oct 22 03:14:36 i know that's why i came back when ares came out Oct 22 03:14:41 i just hated the boilerplate Oct 22 03:14:55 yeah Oct 22 03:15:04 sugardave I remember those days Oct 22 03:15:07 haeffb: what are you presenting Oct 22 03:15:12 CTLAdvance: good times :D Oct 22 03:15:17 f' if I know. Oct 22 03:15:26 5 mins of something Oct 22 03:15:29 that's the problem Oct 22 03:15:41 I'd like it to be something interesting Oct 22 03:15:44 pick some cool trick and elaborate Oct 22 03:15:51 formatters Oct 22 03:16:43 haeffb: do you know what everyone else is doing? Oct 22 03:17:32 roughly Oct 22 03:17:44 one talk about incorporating other frameworks Oct 22 03:18:08 opening screen design, form mail for support Oct 22 03:19:09 innovation in apps (i.e. pushing boundaries) Oct 22 03:20:50 hmm Oct 22 03:20:59 got nothin' Oct 22 03:21:41 Everything I come up with seems...pedestrian Oct 22 03:21:51 "how to use lists" Oct 22 03:21:53 duh. Oct 22 03:22:17 zebra-striping your dynamic lists with formatters Oct 22 03:22:18 :D Oct 22 03:22:24 that's way more interesting Oct 22 03:23:05 I mean, I can pick anything and talk about it for five minutes. But I'd rather everyone not fall asleep. Oct 22 03:23:15 heh Oct 22 03:23:20 i've been using yql to scrape and create mashups Oct 22 03:23:21 who knows, it may be time for a nap Oct 22 03:23:40 but that's just ajax.request stuff so still not boundary stuff i guess Oct 22 03:23:50 haeffb: hot-patching Oct 22 03:24:03 rwhitby: I don't do it. Oct 22 03:24:18 go! Oct 22 03:24:20 maybe just some general tips: Oct 22 03:24:25 use $L() Oct 22 03:24:34 don't use $('myDiv') Oct 22 03:24:36 FOR EVERYTHING Oct 22 03:25:08 * sugardave is really bad at using $L. Oct 22 03:25:37 Depot for app prefs... ? Oct 22 03:25:53 yeah, I thought that was what you were going to do Oct 22 03:26:48 pseudo-drawers in a list... ? Oct 22 03:26:54 how to load, setup and instantiate widgets received via ajax request Oct 22 03:29:14 * oil forgets $L's but swisstomcat adds them :) Oct 22 03:29:35 heh Oct 22 03:29:42 use validator in eclipse Oct 22 03:29:52 what's that? Oct 22 03:30:21 aptana's validator - like JSLINT Oct 22 03:30:27 hmmm Oct 22 03:30:29 pass Oct 22 03:31:09 It's well worth it Oct 22 03:31:18 catches a lot of typos Oct 22 03:31:37 Window/ShowView/Other ... Aptana/Validator Oct 22 03:32:44 then in Preferences/Aptana/Editors, you can change Validation settings Oct 22 03:32:48 haeffb: how do I make it go Oct 22 03:33:19 oh I see Oct 22 03:33:27 no errors or warnings, woo Oct 22 03:33:35 woo! Oct 22 03:34:39 remove a semicolon from a line & see if it's working Oct 22 03:35:02 yeah, I just noticed in another project it's complaining about the missing ; on the constructor Oct 22 03:35:15 but validate still says completed with no errors/warnings Oct 22 03:35:17 hmmm Oct 22 03:35:40 where are you seeing that? Oct 22 03:36:00 the steawart smally of validators.. Oct 22 03:36:04 right-click the file in the 'explorer' and choose 'Validate' Oct 22 03:36:48 ah. I don't do that. Just watch the Validation window to see where it's giving errors/warnings/info Oct 22 03:37:25 k, I almost trust this...why though it doesn't complain about the missing ; on THIS constructor is beyond me Oct 22 03:37:54 constructors don't need a semicolon? Oct 22 03:38:00 maybe it has special rules for different project types Oct 22 03:38:14 well this other js (node) project I'm working on...it wants a ; for the constructor Oct 22 03:38:35 hrm. Oct 22 03:38:51 yeah, weird Oct 22 03:38:55 I've found it very good at catching most everything Oct 22 03:39:16 if it just sits there and I don't have to do anything, I guess I can keep it around :D Oct 22 03:40:04 that and outline window I use a lot Oct 22 03:40:53 well I'll be Oct 22 03:41:00 that is handy Oct 22 03:41:08 yeah. Oct 22 03:41:12 much Oct 22 03:41:45 * haeffb wonders how many attendees will be (new) eclipse users Oct 22 03:42:17 hmmm, good question Oct 22 03:43:42 "creating clean code with eclipse/aptana validation" Oct 22 03:45:13 hey hey Oct 22 03:46:27 * haeffb leaning toward Depot for prefs Oct 22 03:46:37 as opposed to? Oct 22 03:46:52 as a presentation for dev day Oct 22 03:47:10 as opposed to cookies or SQLite Oct 22 03:47:13 also Oct 22 03:47:30 do it in the cloud.... Oct 22 03:47:31 depot for prefs is no good. Oct 22 03:47:36 async Oct 22 03:47:38 because its all web 2.0ey Oct 22 03:47:46 async is aOK Oct 22 03:48:00 not when you really need to know someones prefs Oct 22 03:48:24 like, right now... Oct 22 03:48:39 easy peasy: http://www.webos101.com/Depot_for_App_Preferences Oct 22 03:48:48 not whenever depot/sql feels like getting back to ya Oct 22 03:48:48 Dr-EVOl: http://webos101.com/Concepts#Using_Callbacks_Effectively Oct 22 03:49:08 heh Oct 22 03:50:04 hmmm.... I can just post that link and then let everyone read on their Pre's for five minutes. Oct 22 03:50:21 presentation solved. Oct 22 03:50:40 call it "handouts" Oct 22 03:51:48 haeffb: depot is saved/restored if the application is deleted Oct 22 03:51:52 and then reinstalled Oct 22 03:52:40 i just await the day webos 2.0 comes to sprint Oct 22 03:52:45 haeffb: would something like a "first run" boolean be in Deopt? Oct 22 03:52:52 and magically fixes my earpiece Oct 22 03:53:10 if you needed to know if your app has ever run b4? ever setup its tables and stuff? Oct 22 03:53:15 Dr-EVOl: you could do that, I always use cookies for that, though Oct 22 03:57:55 anything cookies can do Depot can do better Oct 22 03:58:00 alexfner: are you sure about that? Oct 22 03:58:12 Mojo.Depot? Oct 22 03:58:16 yes Oct 22 03:58:21 *relatively* Oct 22 03:58:24 accept synchronous requests :) Oct 22 03:58:30 it's all stored with your profile? Oct 22 03:58:31 except* Oct 22 03:58:35 palm profile* Oct 22 03:58:38 in the cloud Oct 22 03:58:48 that's what I THOUGHT Oct 22 03:59:07 mmmm...you may be thinking of something else...? Oct 22 03:59:24 oil wins Oct 22 04:00:30 geico xtranormal commercial. nice. Oct 22 04:05:39 cookies are put in the profile Oct 22 04:05:56 sqlite databases aren't (which includes depot) Oct 22 04:06:04 dundunDUN Oct 22 04:06:08 interesting Oct 22 04:08:42 * alexfner spreads oil all over my feet Oct 22 04:08:48 * alexfner his* Oct 22 04:09:27 that's for ruining my preconceived notion! Oct 22 04:11:27 cookies are deleted on app delete as well Oct 22 04:12:30 haeffb: not Mojo.cookie Oct 22 04:12:48 Mojo.Cookie sits in the Palm profile Oct 22 04:12:52 ...maybe Oct 22 04:13:00 Mojo.cookies are deleted when the app is deleted. Oct 22 04:13:19 right Oct 22 04:13:21 They may still be there if you doctor & restore your phone... ? Oct 22 04:13:33 i think it depends on the last backup Oct 22 04:13:44 so that would be an advantage for cookies over Depot for app prefs Oct 22 04:13:46 if after, its gone, if before, it would still be there on restore Oct 22 04:16:51 * oil bbl Oct 22 04:17:30 how do I link to a tweet? Oct 22 04:19:29 you can find its permalink somehow Oct 22 04:20:09 but it's escaping me right now Oct 22 04:20:57 Roy-Pre101: "Printable Version" on 101 appears broken Oct 22 04:21:55 haeffb: where it shows the time of the tweet Oct 22 04:22:17 http://twitter.com/#!/haeffb/status/28372821500 Oct 22 04:22:51 * haeffb will let the people decide. Oct 22 04:23:27 and with that, I'm off to zzzzzzz. Oct 22 04:37:43 * Tibfib loves modern family Oct 22 04:54:27 anyone know if Ajax.Request follows redirects? Oct 22 05:47:39 alas Oct 22 05:47:43 no more work for the night Oct 22 06:22:10 hey Oct 22 06:22:14 anyone up? Oct 22 06:47:17 yup :) Oct 22 06:47:22 all night I will be Oct 22 06:51:17 hey dkirker, I was just reviewing the IRC logs from May 26 2009 for my presentation when I first chatted to you here. Oct 22 06:51:57 rwhitby: Hey! That was a while ago. I still remember it. :) Oct 22 06:52:46 * dkirker remembers the early pre-webosinternals days. It was fun to watch it start. :) Oct 22 06:53:41 many people don't know that one of the main reasons that logging was set up was so that the Palm folks could follow along without having to join the channel :) Oct 22 06:54:38 * dkirker feels like the NSA Oct 22 06:56:37 Wow. I have been getting a lot of recruiters contacting me lately. Oct 22 07:26:11 * dohtem goes thru the old logs Oct 22 07:39:50 <[AD]Turbo> hi there Oct 22 07:39:58 Good morning Oct 22 07:40:39 'morning Oct 22 07:40:53 <[AD]Turbo> 'morning to all :) Oct 22 07:42:02 rwhitby: what presentation did you give in May 09? Oct 22 07:43:36 none. I'm giving a presentation on Nov 19 Oct 22 07:43:41 I think that is about the time that #webosinternals forked from #webos Oct 22 07:44:15 rwhitby have gotten some good sugestions on what to talk about ? (saw your twitter) Oct 22 07:44:20 yep Oct 22 07:44:36 this dev day is sounding more fun than the one in April :( Oct 22 07:44:41 hotdp: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/DevDayNYC Oct 22 07:45:11 I talked to Ben yesterday Oct 22 07:45:27 heh, I remember being too concerned about talking about hacking in here because I owned the channel and was an intern at Palm. So rwhitby created #webosinternals. :) IIRC Oct 22 07:45:34 He said that we might have possiblety to pay the pre2 for a small sum for developemtn Oct 22 07:45:47 ok it's past midnight here.. night folks Oct 22 07:45:54 dkirker: yeah, that was the reason Oct 22 07:46:00 night dohtem Oct 22 07:46:08 'night dohtem Oct 22 07:46:44 hotdp: fair enough, if they have a lot of people coming and they are unlocked phones (no subsidy) Oct 22 07:47:02 rwhitby i think it sounds good! You might say that due to your patches it will keep the phone alive for longer time! (me and other would have dished it if there was not an OC) Oct 22 07:47:47 Yer i think thats its fine its not free, my only problem was that he said UMTS :S Oct 22 07:47:59 umts works for me :) Oct 22 07:48:19 For everyone else, we can do Sprint comms board swaps. Oct 22 07:48:26 I have a prepaid AT&T account, so UMTS here! Oct 22 07:48:38 LOL! i use UMTS too i was thinking the cdma Oct 22 07:48:54 my bad, everthing is fine :) Oct 22 07:48:59 UMTS > CDMA anyway :D Oct 22 07:49:02 hehe Oct 22 07:49:12 i thought UMTS == CDMA Oct 22 07:49:21 well.......... Oct 22 07:49:26 i know its not Oct 22 07:49:31 must be the jetlag Oct 22 07:49:31 let's not go there, please 0:-) Oct 22 07:49:39 there is WCDMA Oct 22 07:50:07 so, errrr..... UMTS > EVDO 0:-) Oct 22 07:50:33 rwhitby did you get my note about how good it is for the lifetime of a phone? Oct 22 07:52:06 hotdp: yep Oct 22 08:13:21 what repo do I need to add to get freetether, I can't remember Oct 22 11:49:55 Hey. My battery sometimes jumps from 40% or 60% instantly to 0%. Does someone have the same problem? Oct 22 12:07:17 morning Oct 22 12:07:25 * sugardave is up way too early. Oct 22 12:10:36 hi sugardave Oct 22 12:23:37 Goooooooood morning sugardave Oct 22 12:23:52 damn you must be early on it? Oct 22 12:25:02 yeah, got to take my daughter to the airport Oct 22 12:25:09 what is the time? Oct 22 12:25:53 dont razz him yet. it's early.. Oct 22 12:28:21 it is almost 7:30 am Oct 22 12:28:35 thats not that ealry :) Oct 22 12:29:31 * sugardave normally sleeps until 8:30 - 9:00 :D Oct 22 12:49:00 haeffb: Oh? I didn't know there was one. :) Oct 22 13:06:02 sugardave is it called "b-people" in us? Oct 22 13:13:54 'morning everyone Oct 22 13:14:39 Good morning Oct 22 13:25:44 hmm...Palm is referring customers with download problems to me... Oct 22 13:26:01 what? Oct 22 13:26:05 how the hell am I supposed to fix it? Oct 22 13:26:28 she can't DL done. Oct 22 13:26:39 I tell her to contact Palm Oct 22 13:26:49 she says they told her to contact me Oct 22 13:27:07 thats always good for customer relations Oct 22 13:27:16 bounce em around till they puke Oct 22 13:27:29 haeffb_pre do yiou work for palm`? Oct 22 13:27:32 then grab their money while they are doubled over.. Oct 22 13:33:25 hotdp: no Oct 22 13:37:16 anybody here purchase Done? Oct 22 13:38:17 nope Oct 22 13:38:21 was gonna but i forgot to Oct 22 13:38:33 didnt have a todo list in my pre Oct 22 13:38:52 i cant now. dont have catalog access :( Oct 22 13:42:23 really nothing you have control over haeffb_pre , dl'n from app cat. odd that palm would bounce that back to you Oct 22 13:43:02 ya I know :( Oct 22 13:45:04 I just dl'ed successfully... Oct 22 13:52:31 well now that you have a copy of it, send it to her.. Oct 22 15:04:06 Morning Oct 22 15:47:34 haeffb_: getting any votes? Oct 22 15:49:34 do you guys know if there's a way to prevent Ajax.Request from following redirects? Oct 22 15:49:54 not off the top of my head Oct 22 15:50:15 i'm asking in #prototype but non one's around/answering/knows Oct 22 15:50:18 one thumbs up from switzerland Oct 22 15:50:52 haeffb_pre: *thumbs up* Oct 22 15:50:57 now you're doubled Oct 22 15:51:12 woo! 2-0! Oct 22 15:53:18 maik: docs page doesn't really mention redirects...worst case you could always do xhr manually? Oct 22 15:53:34 i think xhr follows redirects too Oct 22 15:53:36 don't quote me on that though Oct 22 15:54:13 you may be right, I'm no web dev ;) Oct 22 15:55:08 http://stackoverflow.com/questions/228225/prevent-redirection-of-xmlhttprequest Oct 22 15:55:58 hmm, no, then Oct 22 15:56:14 :/ Oct 22 15:56:31 i'm gonna be really mad if i got this far and i'm limited by something as stupid as this Oct 22 15:57:11 as of now it seems like it's pretty unstable/arbitrary. last night i had it where it was at least tossing me a Location header when it got redirected, now it's not even doing that and it's the exact same code Oct 22 15:57:31 :s Oct 22 15:58:45 sugardave i must ask... do you sleep? Oct 22 15:58:55 yes, often :D Oct 22 15:59:04 in fact, naplunch time is just around the corner Oct 22 15:59:11 naplunch? Oct 22 15:59:19 yes, it's like a siesta Oct 22 15:59:21 ever time i check the channel your talking lol Oct 22 15:59:25 heh Oct 22 16:11:13 * maik finds something and kills it Oct 22 16:17:52 find me Oct 22 16:19:00 * dohtem hands maik a knife Oct 22 16:19:49 iWinRar: wisconsin? Oct 22 16:19:53 of cours Oct 22 16:19:54 e Oct 22 16:20:02 too far away :/ Oct 22 16:20:43 http://www.etsy.com/listing/59578372/rock-dock-nintendo-64-iphoneipoditouch Oct 22 16:21:01 not really :D Oct 22 16:28:07 doh, stupidity strikes again Oct 22 16:28:34 i forgot i made a change to the database on my laptop last night and, naturally, that doesn't sync when i check-in to svn Oct 22 17:13:48 mrh. Developer Account cannot be created if I'm not with a company? Oct 22 17:15:58 you are a company Oct 22 17:17:21 umm what? Oct 22 17:17:29 company name = my name? Oct 22 17:18:04 sure Oct 22 17:23:43 anyone know what price they're going to offer for a pre 2 with two year contract on verizon? Oct 22 17:24:14 I've been assuming ~$200 Oct 22 17:24:23 just becaues that's where smartphones seem to be Oct 22 17:24:41 thats not too bad Oct 22 17:24:56 100-150 would be more smart imo Oct 22 17:25:54 well, $199, I guess, technically :) Oct 22 17:33:12 make a name up Oct 22 17:33:29 teemu's crack house Oct 22 17:33:32 call it that Oct 22 17:37:42 I just tend to use "summatus mentis" when I do that Oct 22 17:37:47 when I need a company name Oct 22 17:44:08 are their any other feeds i might add for preware other than the testing feed for "all" and "pre" ??? Oct 22 17:55:43 iWinRar: :) Oct 22 17:58:37 okay, so i figured out how palm approves apps... Oct 22 17:58:56 updates are approved and then released it looks like about 10am est... but new apps are approved around midnight Oct 22 18:02:55 depends who is doing it Oct 22 18:03:10 oh Oct 22 18:03:11 I would bet the bulk of them are actually processed by an off shore team. Oct 22 18:03:19 but I could be wrong Oct 22 18:03:22 makes sense Oct 22 18:03:32 it seems most of my apps are approved between 1am - 4am EST Oct 22 18:03:47 im digging through the top iOS apps right now Oct 22 18:03:50 and i plan to port them to webos Oct 22 18:03:53 the low hanging fruit. Oct 22 18:25:54 Anyone here have the kindle reader for PC/Mac Oct 22 18:26:59 How often to sales update? Oct 22 18:27:14 I have the kindle reader for mac, but there's an online reader now i think ... Oct 22 18:28:02 It looks like the sales lag for "downloads" is 3 days. Oct 22 18:30:38 ugh.. stupid puppy.. bought what was supposed to be a super durable tear free toy and its already torn.. Oct 22 18:31:07 james - sales update once the credit card sale clears Oct 22 18:31:47 if thats 2 days, 3 days, or 7 days Oct 22 18:32:03 its no longer based on download Oct 22 18:33:41 Do you use your kindle for ref material at all Oct 22 18:37:36 ah, got ya Oct 22 18:37:44 no wonder the 3 day lag time.. that's about the average Oct 22 18:37:46 got it. Oct 22 18:37:52 I have 4 kindle books... Oct 22 18:37:53 yes Oct 22 18:38:15 webos eff tee double you Oct 22 18:39:02 I have intelligent investor, oxford dictionary (came free), roman history Oct 22 18:39:09 I use my Kindle mainly on iPad Oct 22 18:39:19 that's been the real winner Oct 22 18:40:00 i did it the other way around, i paid for the device and put free stuff on it. heh Oct 22 18:41:08 when you tap "rescan" on luna manager, how long should it take for the spinning icon to go away (assuming this is how you would know its done???) Oct 22 18:43:38 thanks james, not looking to get an ipad so kindle will be the winner Oct 22 18:44:12 Kindle on ipad is nice, but I much prefer reading on the kindle itself Oct 22 18:50:35 I wonder if kindle will come to webos Oct 22 18:57:07 its on everything else now i think Oct 22 18:57:55 I am trying to decide how to carry ref material, dont really have space for a library at this point, so I think books are a waste, esp when they get out dated Oct 22 18:58:08 and ebooks are cheap Oct 22 19:04:45 hello for everyone Oct 22 19:05:16 portuguese user here, so don't pay to much attention to english errors :) Oct 22 19:23:21 I WIN! Oct 22 19:33:48 can someone tell me why: echo "_lblConfirmNum">015600" | sed -e 's/_lblConfirmNum\">(.*)<\/span>/\1/' Oct 22 19:33:50 isn't working Oct 22 19:35:35 ah quotes Oct 22 19:52:02 :/ Oct 22 20:29:57 does someone with a pre or pixi mind opening the app catalog and reading me the reviews for Weight Tracker? It just went down in ratings and I want to know why :( Oct 22 20:30:14 maybe it's a bug that someone found Oct 22 20:31:30 http://www.cyrket.com/p/palm/com.maxwellbarvian.weighttracker/ Oct 22 20:31:49 read the review yourself :P Oct 22 20:32:00 wow thanks! never new that existed Oct 22 20:32:14 i dont know how often it updates or how it gets its data Oct 22 20:32:30 some of my apps on there have stale data (reviews havent been updated) Oct 22 20:33:08 ah Oct 22 20:33:12 well good link nonetheless :) Oct 22 20:33:14 thanks Oct 22 20:33:17 :) Oct 22 20:34:04 sup folks Oct 22 20:37:48 anyone know how much time PDC takes to give access to the private 2.0 sdk forum? Oct 22 20:40:19 depends Oct 22 20:40:24 I think chuq is out of time Oct 22 20:40:38 err...he's on vacation. Oct 22 20:41:13 i've already received an e-mail from sue Oct 22 20:41:31 teling me that i've been accepted Oct 22 20:41:52 than i forward the mail like the instructions Oct 22 20:42:31 forwarded* Oct 22 20:43:01