**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Oct 23 02:59:57 2010
Oct 23 03:26:09 <haeffb> BMyers: still awake?
Oct 23 03:28:18 <dawm_> o.. m.. g.. i think i finally have my combo/bonus catching working
Oct 23 03:28:37 <dawm_> i can detect 5 in a row, 4 in a row and T shape and L shape
Oct 23 03:29:26 <haeffb> no way!
Oct 23 03:29:27 <dawm_> as well as combos of them all
Oct 23 03:29:31 <dawm_> just like bejeweled :P
Oct 23 03:29:32 * haeffb doesn't even know what that means
Oct 23 03:29:45 <dawm_> im finally getting around to adding bonus peices to swap&drop
Oct 23 03:29:46 <iWinRar> haeffb u going to have fun at the dev dayz?
Oct 23 03:29:48 <haeffb> ah
Oct 23 03:30:04 <haeffb> iWinRar: I do plan to.
Oct 23 03:30:17 <iWinRar> i wish i could go but meh
Oct 23 03:30:32 <dawm_> i was out of town visiting friends during the last dev day
Oct 23 03:30:40 <dawm_> and now this one, those friends are coming here to visit me..
Oct 23 03:30:49 <dawm_> horrible timing on palms part :P
Oct 23 03:31:33 <iWinRar> damn palm lol
Oct 23 03:31:37 <iWinRar> u going this year?
Oct 23 03:31:55 <dawm_> no i have people visiting
Oct 23 03:32:01 <iWinRar> oh lol
Oct 23 03:32:12 <iWinRar> oh right didnt read the first part of ur 2nd line lol
Oct 23 03:32:38 <iWinRar> i need to work out some things with the girl ive been seeing
Oct 23 03:32:50 <iWinRar> she has been uber pissed at me lately... so i have to spend this time to work that out
Oct 23 03:33:57 * k- $webos iWinRar> /nick i7z
Oct 23 03:34:19 <k-> /$/#/
Oct 23 03:34:27 <iWinRar> wtf?!?1
Oct 23 03:34:38 <k-> heh
Oct 23 03:35:00 <k-> you still pay for winrar?
Oct 23 03:35:04 <iWinRar> no
Oct 23 03:35:12 <k-> hmm.. ok
Oct 23 03:35:22 <iWinRar> iwinrar is a name i used to go by and still do at times
Oct 23 03:35:32 <iWinRar> because i win... RAR
Oct 23 03:35:37 <k-> pretty crafty..
Oct 23 03:35:56 <iWinRar> yea lol
Oct 23 03:36:08 <iWinRar> i even use iwinrar@gmail
Oct 23 03:36:10 * k- yea..
Oct 23 03:36:29 <k-> awesome: i just append random chars to my name... =\
Oct 23 03:36:46 <iWinRar> lol
Oct 23 03:36:49 <iWinRar> nice
Oct 23 03:36:57 <iWinRar> the other nick i go by is Banger or bangbanger
Oct 23 03:37:27 <k-> heh, thx.. interesting: does banger have some symbolic meaning?
Oct 23 03:37:54 <iWinRar> it did in my past lol
Oct 23 03:37:56 <iWinRar> not so much anymore
Oct 23 03:38:07 <iWinRar> i used to be a whore when i was younger
Oct 23 03:38:08 <k-> heh..
Oct 23 03:38:16 <BMyers> ping haeffb
Oct 23 03:39:29 <k-> lulz: i was a bit too, then my pops kicked mein arse & tested me... =\
Oct 23 03:40:04 <alexfner_> don't ask me why, but I just watched this video of this woman puking an insane amount on a roller coaster
Oct 23 03:40:32 <iWinRar> lol my parents didnt, i just seem to have matured passed that stage to fast
Oct 23 03:40:39 <iWinRar> well by too fast.. i  mean by the time i turned 17
Oct 23 03:40:44 <k-> hmm, reminds me of a "Tosh.O" clip of the week..
Oct 23 03:42:49 <alexfner> don't ask me why, but I just watched this video of this woman puking an insane amount on a roller coaster
Oct 23 03:42:53 <alexfner> whoops
Oct 23 03:42:55 <alexfner> hmm
Oct 23 03:42:56 <alexfner> let's see here
Oct 23 03:42:58 <alexfner> comcast
Oct 23 03:42:59 <alexfner> you suck
Oct 23 03:43:01 <alexfner> that is all
Oct 23 03:43:07 <iWinRar> i can agree with that
Oct 23 03:43:23 * k- uses comcast...
Oct 23 03:44:03 <iWinRar> i use chartert
Oct 23 03:44:06 <iWinRar> charter
Oct 23 03:44:10 <iWinRar> also shit
Oct 23 03:44:15 <iWinRar> but still works
Oct 23 03:46:10 * k- throws a pack of teredo at iWinRar
Oct 23 03:46:45 <iWinRar> pfft that isnt nice, im trying to get drunk here
Oct 23 03:47:51 <k-> teredo is ipv6overipv4
Oct 23 03:48:16 <k-> if you ever have time, check out freenet6, or teredo if you're lazy =P
Oct 23 03:49:14 <iWinRar> ill go with the lazy road lol
Oct 23 03:50:03 <k-> heh..
Oct 23 03:50:34 <iWinRar> just being honest :D
Oct 23 03:53:26 <alexfner> yeah this reconnection crap
Oct 23 03:53:53 <iWinRar> that sucks
Oct 23 03:57:22 <creationix> I guess the news about Ben and Dion is out in the open now
Oct 23 03:58:10 <alexfner> was it not in the open before?
Oct 23 04:00:44 <alexfner_> damn this internet
Oct 23 04:00:46 <alexfner_> seriously
Oct 23 04:00:47 <alexfner_> this is ridiculous
Oct 23 04:00:59 <iWinRar> what isp?
Oct 23 04:02:52 <alexfner> this is ridiculous
Oct 23 04:02:55 <alexfner> comcast
Oct 23 04:03:09 <alexfner> oh i see the prob
Oct 23 04:09:20 <alexfner> I was on the wrong wifi :/
Oct 23 04:15:58 <dawm_> oh noes.. sprint.com is down for me..
Oct 23 04:19:06 <dkirker> dawm_: Works here. Who is your ISP?
Oct 23 04:19:17 <dawm_> its working now. but slow
Oct 23 04:19:37 <dkirker> hmm
Oct 23 04:19:45 <dawm_> just needed to double check that my plan wasnt changed on me ;p
Oct 23 04:19:57 <dkirker> ahhhhh
Oct 23 04:20:42 <dawm_> had a customer service rep (via support chat) tell me that what i had done to my account wasnt allowed and that she'd revert it back. but it hasnt happened so i call BS :P
Oct 23 04:21:16 <techrush> what had you done to your account ?
Oct 23 04:21:28 <dawm_> i got switched back to SERO from EPR :P
Oct 23 04:21:45 <creationix> how did everyone take the ben/dion news today?
Oct 23 04:21:49 <creationix> I was offline when it happened
Oct 23 04:22:06 <SineOt> I dunno, it seems like it's kind of just life as usual
Oct 23 04:22:11 <dawm_> same exact plan, just $20 cheaper
Oct 23 04:22:28 <techrush> interesting
Oct 23 04:22:35 <SineOt> given they went and started their own gig focussing on helping companies do cool things with standards, if they can help -everyone- then all the better
Oct 23 04:22:57 <techrush> is it a stupid question to ask who ben/dion are ?
Oct 23 04:23:12 <dawm_> u must be new :P
Oct 23 04:23:14 <SineOt> kind of developer relations people for Palm
Oct 23 04:24:01 <techrush> ahhh ic
Oct 23 04:24:33 <SineOt> they left Palm and are apparently working on setting up their own thing doing... Basically teh same things, just not tied directly to Palm
Oct 23 04:24:35 <techrush> yea i just got a pixi like 2 months ago didnt follow webos news much before then. Still doing some reading on app development
Oct 23 04:24:47 <techrush> ic
Oct 23 04:24:53 <SineOt> app development is... surprisingly fun and easier than I expected
Oct 23 04:25:08 <SineOt> until it stops working right and then you just want to punch someone in the head for designing it that way :I
Oct 23 04:25:16 <SineOt> but that's rare lol
Oct 23 04:27:03 <techrush> yeah i kinda figured
Oct 23 04:27:19 <techrush> im already pretty decent at regular web development so thats pretty par for the course
Oct 23 04:33:35 <alexfner> creationix: the community is still mulling the idea, methinks
Oct 23 04:34:07 <iWinRar> http://entertainment.slashdot.org/story/10/10/22/237244/Chinas-Official-Newspaper-Pans-iPad-mdash-Too-Locked-Down
Oct 23 04:37:54 <creationix> alexfner: I actually had a long talk with Ben about it, I'm excited to see what HP does with webOS
Oct 23 04:38:01 <creationix> just wondering what the reaction was
Oct 23 04:38:10 <alexfner> creationix: go on about this long talk...
Oct 23 04:38:15 <creationix> :P
Oct 23 04:38:18 <creationix> maybe later
Oct 23 04:39:42 <haeffb> now?
Oct 23 04:39:45 <alexfner> now?
Oct 23 04:39:49 <creationix> lol
Oct 23 04:40:28 <haeffb> too soon?
Oct 23 04:40:43 * halfhalo pulls out tape recorder
Oct 23 04:40:50 <alexfner> why are you excited?  did he reveal that webOS 2.0 allows you to drive your car with your phone's accelerometer?
Oct 23 04:41:03 * haeffb pulls tape out of halfhalo's tape recorder
Oct 23 04:41:04 <alexfner> because that's what I heard... somewhere
Oct 23 04:41:20 <creationix> alexfner: only android would do that, don't worry
Oct 23 04:41:43 <dohtem> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=CExK6cMFuko
Oct 23 04:41:50 <dohtem> pretty nifty
Oct 23 04:41:54 * halfhalo points out its flash based
Oct 23 04:42:46 <creationix> well, it's bedtime in Texas
Oct 23 04:42:54 <dohtem> nite nite
Oct 23 04:42:59 <creationix> :)
Oct 23 04:43:06 <alexfner> hah bedtime
Oct 23 04:43:08 <alexfner> what's that?
Oct 23 04:43:17 <alexfner> we have couchtime and chairtime
Oct 23 04:43:36 <dohtem> alexfner passes out on his keyboard and wakes up with cheetos stuck to his face
Oct 23 04:43:38 <alexfner> my jokes were so bad he left
Oct 23 04:44:21 <alexfner> dohtem: I don't eat cheetos.  I pass out and wake up 3 weeks later on the other side of the country with reese's cups in my pockets
Oct 23 04:46:56 <xbonesx> here something funny, i live in the country, our room is in the basement, my girl friend has a pre as well, when she falls asleep i set up my tether on her phone and set it upstairs to get good service then connect to her phone with my palm pre downstairs hahahaha
Oct 23 04:47:17 <xbonesx> the many uses of the pre
Oct 23 04:50:48 <dohtem> I'm in the mood for a sandwich
Oct 23 04:55:15 <iWinRar> i love my pre
Oct 23 04:55:25 <iWinRar> well maybe not my pre but for sure webos
Oct 23 04:56:29 <iWinRar> main reason i say that... sprint pre
Oct 23 04:57:02 <iWinRar> pre plus even with the keyboard issues.... amazing.. :D
Oct 23 04:59:13 <john1313> anyone using a pre2 yet?
Oct 23 04:59:42 <iWinRar> not i
Oct 23 04:59:53 <alexfner> 6 french people who bought one
Oct 23 05:00:02 <iWinRar> and after what i just said... RAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Oct 23 05:00:06 <iWinRar> lol sprint pre... ll
Oct 23 05:01:26 <iWinRar> that was rude lol
Oct 23 05:01:35 <dohtem> http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2010/10/22/hp-slate-500-gets-official-799/ - yay?
Oct 23 05:01:52 <iWinRar> that the window one?
Oct 23 05:02:00 <rwhitby> anyone who has a pre2, I need the serial number to get the doctor
Oct 23 05:02:00 <iWinRar> of so old news
Oct 23 05:02:01 <dohtem> yeah
Oct 23 05:02:34 <dohtem> ask those SFR people
Oct 23 05:02:35 <iWinRar> part of it be windows licens
Oct 23 05:02:37 <alexfner> rwhitby: that's the only legal way to get internals a copy of the doctor eh?
Oct 23 05:02:57 <iWinRar> rwhitby ill look for those with the pre2
Oct 23 05:03:08 <rwhitby> alexfner: the only way that we can use without breaking any NDAs
Oct 23 05:03:27 <iWinRar> would a window unit serial number work?
Oct 23 05:03:28 <alexfner> rwhitby: right, I just want to note that it very creatif of you sir :D
Oct 23 05:04:04 <iWinRar> if so i will see if i can get you the number tomorow
Oct 23 05:05:06 <iWinRar> if that is how france does its phone stuff which i hope they do
Oct 23 05:05:37 <iWinRar> i know a couple france folk if they are near an office ill make sure they look...
Oct 23 05:11:41 <iWinRar> but really dohtem.... 800$ meh i see no reason... ive seen less for laptops and desktops premade, i see no reason for that price tag at this point
Oct 23 05:24:03 <rwhitby> iWinRar: yeah, if someone can go into a SFR store, open the battery compartment and get the serial number, or even just run Device Info and get it.
Oct 23 05:24:37 <iWinRar> ill let them know lol
Oct 23 05:24:52 <iWinRar> dont know if it will work or not but hell if its for you , all worth it lol
Oct 23 05:27:19 <rwhitby> iWinRar: if we get a serial number, and it works to get a Pre2 doctor, then we can start on porting patches and so forth ...
Oct 23 05:28:29 <iWinRar> ight ill see about talking about those i know in france
Oct 23 05:28:55 <iWinRar> dont know many but i know a couple
Oct 23 05:35:51 <xbonesx> lol think it will actually work?
Oct 23 05:36:55 <xbonesx> anyone be able to tell me off the top of their head where the font color code for the default background of things like preware and govnah would be located?
Oct 23 05:37:33 <xbonesx> i have theme that uses, whats supposed to be red, but looks pink. need to change it
Oct 23 08:13:09 <hotdp> good morning
Oct 23 08:13:13 <hotdp> bad news to read..
Oct 23 08:46:19 <xbonesx> hotdp: ?
Oct 23 09:01:44 <hotdp> yer?
Oct 23 09:01:47 <hotdp> xbonesx
Oct 23 09:02:21 <xbonesx> i quote "bad news to read.." ????
Oct 23 09:02:29 <hotdp> About Ben and Dion
Oct 23 09:02:37 <hotdp> read it as the first news this morning
Oct 23 09:02:43 <hotdp> Good for dem but a little sad..
Oct 23 09:02:58 <xbonesx> ? news where?
Oct 23 09:10:16 <hotdp> http://www.precentral.net/ben-galbraith-and-dion-almaer-leave-palm?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+Precentralnet+(PreCentral.net)&utm_content=Netvibes
Oct 23 09:28:45 <xbonesx> oh wow, i didnt even know, ive been doctoring my phone like once a day lately haven't really installed my news apps to know about this
Oct 23 11:31:56 <xbonesx> I opened an "ipk" file, edited some files, now I need to turn it into an "ipk" again, help please?
Oct 23 11:32:34 <hotdp> 1 sec
Oct 23 11:32:47 <hotdp> palm-package -o output_dir base_prog_dir
Oct 23 11:33:53 <xbonesx> ? I opened a already made theme and changed some pictures, so all the files are correct I just need to compress it and have it have the ext .ipk
Oct 23 11:34:00 <xbonesx> will that do that for me?
Oct 23 11:34:25 <hotdp> Yes
Oct 23 11:34:33 <hotdp> that will create a ipk file
Oct 23 11:35:00 <xbonesx> do I need to have the files in a folder then run that command on the folder?
Oct 23 11:35:29 <hotdp> Yes
Oct 23 11:35:36 <hotdp> You need all files, html ect
Oct 23 11:35:42 <hotdp> and point to that falder
Oct 23 11:36:06 <xbonesx> I want to be sure one sec
Oct 23 11:36:11 <hotdp> palm-package -o c:\ c:\workspace\program ect
Oct 23 11:36:55 <xbonesx> brb changing to pc irc
Oct 23 11:38:08 <xbonesx> you still their?
Oct 23 11:38:18 <hotdp> yer
Oct 23 11:41:48 <xbonesx> so the files in this picture http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/4201/screenshotcomprethemert.png are the ones im going to extract and modify, then when im done i will put them in a folder then run that command on the folder?
Oct 23 11:42:59 <hotdp> Hmm let me understand you correct
Oct 23 11:43:19 <hotdp> you have a WebOS APP, you have extrated the files out of an ipk, changed some files and wonna create a new ipk ?
Oct 23 11:43:40 <xbonesx> this a theme ipk file opened in archive manager(thats the picture)
Oct 23 11:43:56 <xbonesx> yes
Oct 23 11:43:59 <xbonesx> basically
Oct 23 11:44:35 <xbonesx> the data.tar.gz archive has the theme files and the control contains the perm and install documents
Oct 23 11:45:35 <hotdp> the command i showed you if for creating a ipk from a program
Oct 23 11:45:45 <xbonesx> ah...
Oct 23 11:45:51 <hotdp> I do not know anything about themes
Oct 23 11:46:13 <xbonesx> see i believe it was already ran through that and files were created so that preware could handle it
Oct 23 11:46:31 <hotdp> yes
Oct 23 11:46:44 <hotdp> but can you change the things without extrating the files?
Oct 23 11:46:46 <xbonesx> do you recogn. this file structure?
Oct 23 11:46:52 <xbonesx> no
Oct 23 11:47:03 <xbonesx> i would have to extract them then put them back some how
Oct 23 11:47:14 <xbonesx> their pictures, sprites
Oct 23 11:48:14 <xbonesx> im assuming that the actuall .ipk is simply just a compressed file structure right?
Oct 23 11:48:54 <xbonesx> and when you would run your folder through the ipk maker that it creates files needed to be handled by preware and compresses it, right?
Oct 23 11:49:36 <xbonesx> so i simply just need to re-compress it...
Oct 23 11:50:02 <xbonesx> do you know the specifics on the type of compression used?
Oct 23 11:50:06 <hotdp> yer
Oct 23 11:50:25 <hotdp> I would decompress, change and run the compress mode afgain
Oct 23 11:50:40 <xbonesx> ok
Oct 23 11:50:55 <xbonesx> whats the compression type?
Oct 23 11:51:07 <xbonesx> how can i tell?
Oct 23 11:53:19 <hotdp> Why do you need to know?
Oct 23 11:53:49 <xbonesx> well i dont want to have to go through the trouble of having a program create unnecessary files
Oct 23 11:54:17 <xbonesx> all the needed files have already been created, just need to change some picture then compress it back
Oct 23 11:56:32 <xbonesx> just as a compression ratio of "1.00" which means????
Oct 23 11:56:36 <xbonesx> has*
Oct 23 11:56:49 <xbonesx> its not really compressed?
Oct 23 11:57:59 <hotdp> Maybe not :)
Oct 23 11:58:10 <hotdp> have you googled it?
Oct 23 11:58:29 <xbonesx> googled what exactly, not sure what terms i would use
Oct 23 12:10:43 <xbonesx> tried to use palm-package but it says that i dont have a palm application... :(
Oct 23 12:42:22 <BMyers> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCd_LbAMOf8&feature=rec-LGOUT-exp_r2-2r-9-HM
Oct 23 12:42:28 <BMyers> bt kb 2.0
Oct 23 12:43:09 <BMyers> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsbqSUckAiA&feature=rec-LGOUT-exp_r2-2r-7-HM
Oct 23 12:43:18 <BMyers> more french pre 2
Oct 23 14:01:15 <haeffb_> ESPN College Gameday at Mizzou starts now.
Oct 23 14:01:48 <BMyers> thx
Oct 23 14:02:41 <BMyers> haeffb_:  you put something for your prez together yet?
Oct 23 14:07:18 <haeffb_> just a rough outline
Oct 23 14:08:11 <BMyers> haeffb_: would be happy to review whatever whenever you are ready
Oct 23 14:08:41 <haeffb_> cool. I will probably have something by tomorrow
Oct 23 14:41:09 <BMyers> no shortage of pre-gam bs there
Oct 23 15:05:48 <Spanska> The label of my button is "Add to calendar" but webOS changes it to "Add To Calendar". How come?
Oct 23 15:10:44 <haeffb_> Spanska: because of the css applied to button labels...?
Oct 23 15:11:10 <Spanska> haeffb_: if the locale is en_pl, this doesn't happen
Oct 23 15:11:42 <haeffb_> what is en_pl ?
Oct 23 15:12:16 <Deihmos> is there anyway to get 2.0 on the old Palm Pre as yet? I don't use it as a phone anymore
Oct 23 15:12:42 <haeffb_> Deihmos: no, not until Palm releases doctors for 2.0
Oct 23 15:12:54 <Loudergood> if there was only people who were under NDA would know, and they couldn't talk about it here ;)
Oct 23 15:13:05 <Spanska> haeffb_: English Poland I think
Oct 23 15:13:32 <Deihmos> nda for what
Oct 23 15:13:51 <Deihmos> didn't they already release phones with 2.0 on them in France
Oct 23 15:14:26 <Deihmos> I really doubt sprint phones will be updated
Oct 23 15:14:43 <haeffb_> sprint phones will be updated. Why wouldn't they?
Oct 23 15:14:48 <haeffb_> Spanska: text-transform: capitalize;
Oct 23 15:14:53 <Deihmos> it's up to sprint
Oct 23 15:15:09 <Loudergood> sprint was the first US carrier to go to 1.4.5 by a long shot
Oct 23 15:15:10 <Spanska> haeffb_: after you told me it was CSS, I searched on Google and found this actually, thanks:)
Oct 23 15:15:16 <haeffb_> is in palm-button css style
Oct 23 15:16:08 <Deihmos> after over a year now with customers upgrading to new phones they might just skip 2.0.
Oct 23 15:16:23 <Deihmos> only time will tell
Oct 23 15:16:27 <haeffb> I'm not upgrading to a new phone until they have a new palm phone.
Oct 23 15:16:47 <Deihmos> I am sure you are the minority
Oct 23 15:17:01 <BMyers> e
Oct 23 15:17:03 <BMyers> v
Oct 23 15:17:05 <BMyers> o
Oct 23 15:17:08 <haeffb> Deihmos: http://www.palm.com/us/products/phones/pre-family.html
Oct 23 15:17:12 <Spanska> alright! fixed :D
Oct 23 15:17:23 <haeffb> "webOS 2.0 available in the coming months" on the Sprint Pre
Oct 23 15:17:44 <haeffb> android !== webOS
Oct 23 15:18:22 <Loudergood> android is a god awful mess when it comes to that
Oct 23 15:18:22 <haeffb> Sprint doesn't care if I buy a new phone as long as I keep sending them money every month.
Oct 23 15:18:24 <Deihmos> we will see
Oct 23 15:18:28 <BMyers> evo is my first non palm phone since my treo 600
Oct 23 15:18:50 <Spanska> anyone here received a free Palm Pre Plus from Palm?
Oct 23 15:18:55 <Deihmos> the Pre was my first palm phone. I remember always thinking they made crappy phones
Oct 23 15:19:18 <BMyers> the 600 was awesome
Oct 23 15:19:24 <BMyers> 650 was junk
Oct 23 15:19:37 <BMyers>  700 was a little better but i didnt have one of those
Oct 23 15:19:51 <BMyers> pre was good but lag is a pain
Oct 23 15:20:13 <BMyers> webos is awesome, just needs better hardware
Oct 23 15:20:47 <BMyers> my first palm product was graffiti
Oct 23 15:20:48 <Deihmos> it sure does
Oct 23 15:21:44 <Spanska> mine was a Palm Pilot something, the one with black text on a green screen hehe
Oct 23 15:22:01 <BMyers> oh yeah, still all those
Oct 23 15:22:02 <Spanska> that was a while ago!
Oct 23 15:22:17 <BMyers> pilot 7 that worked on palms private network
Oct 23 15:22:22 <BMyers> had that one too
Oct 23 15:23:03 <BMyers> that made boring meetings go by much faster
Oct 23 15:23:21 <Deihmos> I was not into smart phones that far back. The first one I got was a MotoQ free from sprint then the Palm Pre not the Epic 4G
Oct 23 15:24:10 <Spanska> they are't smartphones but PDA's
Oct 23 15:24:32 <BMyers> yeah, i am old so...
Oct 23 15:24:38 <BMyers> i had em way back when
Oct 23 15:24:47 <haeffb> m500 was my first
Oct 23 15:24:48 <BMyers> i am not as old as sugardave
Oct 23 15:24:52 <BMyers> lucky for me
Oct 23 15:25:11 <haeffb> way before I even had a cellphone
Oct 23 15:25:44 <haeffb> in fact, I bought my first cell phone in order to BT connect to my Tungsten T
Oct 23 15:26:11 * haeffb has always used cell more for data than phone calls
Oct 23 15:27:06 <phil_bw> ah, reminicing about old PDAs
Oct 23 15:27:27 <BMyers> phil_bw: how 'bout u?
Oct 23 15:27:31 <phil_bw> mine was an i705, battery would last a little over a month on a single charge
Oct 23 15:27:44 <BMyers> yeah right!!
Oct 23 15:27:50 <phil_bw> swore I'd never get a pda with a color screen
Oct 23 15:28:19 <BMyers> batteries were 1/2 as good back then and lasted 4x longer in the device
Oct 23 15:28:35 <phil_bw> black and white with no backlight (had one that could be turned off but was disabled by default) sipped the battery
Oct 23 15:29:00 <Loudergood> yeah there was a certain benefit to those displays
Oct 23 15:29:04 <BMyers> i had an 8mb custom rom chip for my palm3
Oct 23 15:29:21 <phil_bw> the "internet" on that sucker was awful though.  rarely worked
Oct 23 15:29:23 <BMyers> could burn my own rom for it
Oct 23 15:29:53 <phil_bw> fun thing is I still have the i705
Oct 23 15:30:04 <BMyers> i still all mine.
Oct 23 15:30:06 <BMyers> go
Oct 23 15:30:10 * haeffb digging this "brand new pair of rollerskates" tune
Oct 23 15:30:10 <phil_bw> thinking of fixing the speaker on it and turning it into a custom kitchen timer
Oct 23 15:30:12 <BMyers> got em all in a shoe box
Oct 23 15:30:29 <BMyers> (hate that commercial)
Oct 23 15:30:58 <phil_bw> since I wrote PalmOS software for years I could write my own custom timer :P
Oct 23 15:30:59 <BMyers> saving my palm3 stuff till my son is ready to build some serious lego robots
Oct 23 15:31:00 <haeffb> I got an i705 for free somehow... I think some credit card deal.
Oct 23 15:31:10 <Deihmos> webos could really benefit from a larger screen
Oct 23 15:31:20 <BMyers> yeah pixi went the wrong way
Oct 23 15:31:34 <BMyers> should have stepped up to a bigger screen
Oct 23 15:31:47 <phil_bw> I don't want tooo big though
Oct 23 15:32:04 <haeffb> me too. Must be pocketable.
Oct 23 15:32:04 <BMyers> my evo is ginormous
Oct 23 15:32:09 <phil_bw> don't want my phone rivaling my hdtv in size...
Oct 23 15:32:14 <Spanska> Is there any way to make text use more space on the screen than be cutted and have "..." appended at the end of it?
Oct 23 15:32:24 <BMyers> it has a kick stand to avoid carpal tunnel lawsuits
Oct 23 15:32:24 <haeffb> yes
Oct 23 15:32:43 <haeffb> add class= "truncating-text"
Oct 23 15:32:44 <Spanska> How are these dots called? I just can't remember
Oct 23 15:32:51 <BMyers> evo has hd out
Oct 23 15:33:16 <haeffb> ellipsis
Oct 23 15:34:14 <Spanska> thanks haeffb
Oct 23 15:35:23 <Deihmos> 4" screen is pocketable even a 3.5 would be better than 3.1
Oct 23 15:36:27 <Deihmos> touch screen keys would be great also.
Oct 23 15:36:48 <BMyers> i have large hands so it doesnt bother me a bit
Oct 23 15:36:52 <Deihmos> Pre keyboard would hurt the finger tips after too much typing
Oct 23 15:37:04 <BMyers> i do miss a hard kb tho
Oct 23 15:37:45 * haeffb hated touch screen keyboard on my winmo phone
Oct 23 15:39:15 <BMyers> plus i'm old so my eyes like a larger screen
Oct 23 15:39:38 <BMyers> (not as old as sugardave tho)
Oct 23 15:39:44 <BMyers> :)
Oct 23 15:40:12 <phil_bw> though you do realize that despite screen sizes getting bigger they keep jacking up the resolution to go with it
Oct 23 15:40:17 <BMyers> i shouldn't mess with the old man when he's still sleeping ..
Oct 23 15:40:20 <Spanska> haeffb: actually I'm trying to find the opposite of using an ellipsis. Removing class truncating-text doesn't seem to work
Oct 23 15:40:41 <phil_bw> so screen gets bigger, content gets smaller, it's a viscious cycle :P
Oct 23 15:41:25 <Deihmos> touchscreen keys on a large display works perfect imo.
Oct 23 15:41:49 <Spanska> haeffb: nevermind, it's in the Inspector, must have forgotten something somewhere
Oct 23 15:42:10 <BMyers> phil_bw: but, you can still make text bigger, zoom in but still see more than a smaller screen
Oct 23 15:42:23 <Loudergood> a fully scalable interface would be nice
Oct 23 15:42:36 <phil_bw> I know, I was being sarcastic
Oct 23 15:42:57 <BMyers> evo is a large phone but it's a really small slate/ipad/vcr/video phone
Oct 23 15:43:40 <phil_bw> vcr eh?  I knew it was big but didn't realize it was big enough for a video tape
Oct 23 15:43:41 <haeffb> should I go to godaddy to see Danica Patrick?
Oct 23 15:43:50 <BMyers> VHS
Oct 23 15:44:09 <phil_bw> that's some backwards compatability
Oct 23 15:44:19 <BMyers> godaddy has that fitness chick/guy there now
Oct 23 15:44:38 <Loudergood> they should throw in a slot for 5 1/4 floppys
Oct 23 15:44:48 <BMyers> awesome phone.. it'll even do mixed drinks
Oct 23 15:44:49 <phil_bw> even better
Oct 23 15:45:10 <BMyers> video laser disc drive
Oct 23 15:45:28 <BMyers> remember those ?!?!?
Oct 23 15:45:31 <Loudergood> BMyers: it fits in a pint glass? How do you stir with it?
Oct 23 15:45:39 <phil_bw> oh yes
Oct 23 15:45:46 <BMyers> looked like something fell of a voyager spacecraft...
Oct 23 15:45:51 <phil_bw> we had data laser discs at my school
Oct 23 15:45:57 <haeffb> Loudergood: vibrate mode
Oct 23 15:45:57 <phil_bw> hooked up to a mac quadra
Oct 23 15:46:14 <Loudergood> yeah we had a few of those players on TV carts
Oct 23 15:46:18 <Loudergood> massive things
Oct 23 15:46:18 <BMyers> Loudergood:  shaken.. not stirred
Oct 23 15:46:29 <Loudergood> now those would've made good frisbees
Oct 23 15:46:49 <Loudergood> ah so it's also a bond phone, well that just opens up the feature list
Oct 23 15:46:50 <BMyers> yeah hang that from your rear view mirror
Oct 23 15:47:20 <haeffb> demarcho murray handing out with Erin Andrews...
Oct 23 15:47:41 <BMyers> is inez gonna be on there?
Oct 23 15:47:59 <BMyers> does she "do" NCAA?
Oct 23 15:48:12 <haeffb> el if i no
Oct 23 15:50:03 * phil_bw wishes wIRC had tabs that changed color when another chan was talking...
Oct 23 15:50:21 <haeffb> oil
Oct 23 15:51:04 <phil_bw> it's tough, since the last IRC client I wrote myself so if I wanted a feature I just put it in
Oct 23 15:51:24 <BMyers> you still can
Oct 23 15:51:38 <haeffb> true, wirc is os
Oct 23 15:51:52 <BMyers> you got the source right there
Oct 23 15:51:56 <phil_bw> I suck at webos development, been focusing in native stuff lately
Oct 23 15:53:10 <phil_bw> I was a PalmOS developer so this WebOS stuff is a little... different
Oct 23 15:54:20 <Spanska> I definitely suck at CSS.. I know what I want to do but have no idea what property I have to change
Oct 23 15:54:47 <BMyers> google is your friend there
Oct 23 15:55:06 <BMyers> nothing you want to do in CSS that hasn't been done already
Oct 23 15:55:30 <Spanska> I just have no idea what to search for, I don't know what the property name is
Oct 23 15:55:30 <BMyers> you know what you want to do, the rest is syntax..
Oct 23 15:56:18 <BMyers> Spanska:  you use what browser?
Oct 23 15:56:34 <Spanska> webOS SDK ;)
Oct 23 15:56:56 <BMyers> well, dunno if you knew this but CSS is popular on websites too
Oct 23 15:57:02 <phil_bw> it's funny... I'm having an easier time learning C++ / OpenGL ES than I did learning WebOS programming... something's wrong with me
Oct 23 15:57:10 <Spanska> BMyers: yeah I do
Oct 23 15:57:17 <BMyers> if you use chrome, inspect element is like palm-inspector except it works..
Oct 23 15:57:31 <Spanska> Palm Inspector works fine for me hehe
Oct 23 15:57:59 <BMyers> my point is that its fast and easier to learn CSS outside of webos
Oct 23 15:58:12 <BMyers> webos is nothing but a limited version of web 2.0
Oct 23 15:58:28 <BMyers> with some mojo stuff for buttons and lists and stuff
Oct 23 15:58:34 <phil_bw> well I better get to work...
Oct 23 15:58:37 <BMyers> otherwise it;s javascript, css and html
Oct 23 15:58:39 * phil_bw wanders off
Oct 23 16:06:50 <warpdesign> hello
Oct 23 16:06:58 <haeffb> boo. Corso picks OU.
Oct 23 16:07:09 <BMyers> bon jour
Oct 23 16:07:38 <haeffb> Spanska: you know where to look at the Palm css, right?
Oct 23 16:08:26 <Spanska> haeffb: I'm looking at files in the webos-framework directory
Oct 23 16:08:30 <Spanska> haeffb: is that what you meant?
Oct 23 16:08:55 <haeffb> yes
Oct 23 16:23:42 <warpdesign> heard the news about dalmaer leaving Palm ? Seems like there's no one left from the original team now..
Oct 23 16:27:20 <Deihmos> http://www.precentral.net/vote-mock-next-palm-device-contest-needs-you-pick-winner
Oct 23 16:27:32 <Deihmos> Palm needs a new team
Oct 23 16:28:44 <haeffb> "Alcohol may be man's worst enemy, but the bible says love your enemy." --Frank Sinatra
Oct 23 16:35:45 <sugardave> TX is losing
Oct 23 16:35:57 <sugardave> I missed our first drive
Oct 23 16:37:09 <summatusmentis> has anyone looked into hosting a "synergy server" on their own? is it possible?
Oct 23 16:37:13 <summatusmentis> or can we fake it?
Oct 23 16:37:34 * sugardave looks for French people.
Oct 23 17:03:14 <maik> ahoy
Oct 23 17:03:27 <sugardave> hola
Oct 23 17:03:45 <maik> is 2.0 discussion fair game yet?
Oct 23 17:03:54 <sugardave> I don't think so
Oct 23 17:04:00 <maik> feh
Oct 23 17:04:09 * sugardave looks for French people.
Oct 23 17:04:13 <maik> heh
Oct 23 17:06:08 <BMyers> sugardave:  are you Francophobic or something?
Oct 23 17:06:42 <sugardave> no, but THEY can tell us all about 2.0 and maybe with guidance could write some wiki articles
Oct 23 17:07:06 <sugardave> the SFR peeps with Pre 2s aren't under an NDA, I'd guess
Oct 23 17:07:31 <BMyers> their too busy rioting in the streets cause they have to work like everyone else in the world
Oct 23 17:07:42 <sugardave> oh right
Oct 23 17:07:45 <sugardave> crap
Oct 23 17:08:03 <BMyers> who's cares about pre 2 when you can go out and burn some pugeots
Oct 23 17:08:46 <BMyers> meh, let em eat cake..
Oct 23 17:09:16 <sugardave> mmmm, cake
Oct 23 17:09:50 <sugardave> seo spammers begin invading palm dev forums
Oct 23 17:10:13 <BMyers> may name is Peggy..
Oct 23 17:10:23 <sugardave> heh
Oct 23 17:11:37 <sugardave> so, I watched Matrix II and III last night...man, I like the story line, but they had WAY too many horribly over-acted lame scene arcs
Oct 23 17:12:34 <BMyers> yeah but i could watch that chic in the rubber suit read the phone book for 90 minutes and still be happy
Oct 23 17:13:00 <maik> carrie-ann moss?
Oct 23 17:13:18 <sugardave> wtf is wrong with UT?
Oct 23 17:14:36 <BMyers> my name Peggy..
Oct 23 17:15:08 <Peggy> lol
Oct 23 17:15:21 <sugardave> heh
Oct 23 17:15:31 <Peggy> i love that commercial
Oct 23 17:15:36 <sugardave> oh good, you can be a new target for Nycenae
Oct 23 17:15:53 <Peggy> is he Russian ?
Oct 23 17:16:00 <sugardave> who knows?
Oct 23 17:16:50 <BMyers> forget that
Oct 23 17:18:16 <kesne> Hey all!
Oct 23 17:18:36 <sugardave> oh jeez, onside kick?
Oct 23 17:18:39 <sugardave> crap
Oct 23 17:18:41 <sugardave> we suck
Oct 23 17:18:43 <BMyers> kesne:  you should have been here an hour ago
Oct 23 17:18:57 <BMyers> palm was giving away pre2's to ever dev in here
Oct 23 17:19:23 <kesne> HAha
Oct 23 17:19:25 <kesne> That's funny
Oct 23 17:19:52 <BMyers> no really. they couldnt ship them to france cause of the riots
Oct 23 17:20:05 <BMyers> so they are going to ship them to u.s. devs
Oct 23 17:20:39 <BMyers> sugardave:  told me
Oct 23 17:20:42 <maik> ya, i got in on that
Oct 23 17:20:48 <maik> pretty awesome
Oct 23 17:21:14 <sugardave> kesne: sorry :(
Oct 23 17:22:47 <kesne> You are all lying to me
Oct 23 17:23:08 <kesne> It's a sin to tell a lie!
Oct 23 17:24:37 <maik> yes, and liars go to hell and blah blah blah
Oct 23 17:25:34 <sugardave> aren't we already there?
Oct 23 17:25:50 <sugardave> I mean, no Pre 2 on Sprint...that's pretty Hellish
Oct 23 17:25:58 <maik> heh
Oct 23 17:26:19 <Amaranth> sugardave: Meh, Pre 2 isn't worth getting anyway
Oct 23 17:26:37 <sugardave> Amaranth: it is to me...my minus is aging
Oct 23 17:26:46 <maik> minus, heh
Oct 23 17:50:07 <Deihmos> hard to get excited for a Pre 2
Oct 23 17:50:46 <iWinRar> y?
Oct 23 17:53:40 <PurpleZero> would have loved to see a Pixi2 also!
Oct 23 17:56:42 <sugardave> Deihmos: do you have a Pre Plus?
Oct 23 17:57:40 <haeffb> he has an Epic
Oct 23 17:57:58 <sugardave> oic
Oct 23 17:58:03 <haeffb> sugardave: I can't watch UT-ISU because of Fox/Dish. what's the score?
Oct 23 17:58:10 <sugardave> oh man
Oct 23 17:58:17 <sugardave> IA 14  UT 3
Oct 23 17:58:25 <haeffb> at UT?
Oct 23 17:58:28 <sugardave> yep
Oct 23 17:58:31 <sugardave> it's horrible
Oct 23 17:58:31 <haeffb> wow
Oct 23 17:58:40 <sugardave> halftime just ended
Oct 23 17:58:45 <sugardave> or about to
Oct 23 17:59:27 <summatusmentis> which T is UT?
Oct 23 17:59:31 <sugardave> TX
Oct 23 17:59:46 <haeffb> ok. if I pass an argument to a function, why would the argument suddenly become a function...?
Oct 23 17:59:48 <summatusmentis> ah
Oct 23 18:00:18 <haeffb> [20101023-12:33:45.558612] info: bookMark function () {       return __method.apply(object, args.concat($A(arguments)));
Oct 23 18:00:40 <haeffb> I pass var bookMark = null;
Oct 23 18:00:56 <haeffb> and get that as the argument to the other function
Oct 23 18:01:29 <sugardave> you are calling apply on the argument, so you want it to be a function?
Oct 23 18:01:40 <sugardave> oh wait
Oct 23 18:01:40 <haeffb> 		var bookMark = null;
Oct 23 18:01:40 <haeffb> 		api.getNotesIndex(bookMark, this.gotNotesIndex.bind(this));
Oct 23 18:02:09 <haeffb> 	this.getNotesIndex = function (bookMark, inCallback) {
Oct 23 18:02:09 <haeffb> 		Mojo.Log.info("bookMark", bookMark);
Oct 23 18:02:36 <sugardave> what is the error?
Oct 23 18:02:48 <haeffb> no error, the log shows as above
Oct 23 18:02:58 <haeffb> I'm flummoxed
Oct 23 18:03:01 <haeffb> bamboozled
Oct 23 18:03:06 <haeffb> confuzerated
Oct 23 18:04:50 <sugardave> well, what is gotNotesIndex doing to bookMark?
Oct 23 18:04:59 <sugardave> if it weren't null
Oct 23 18:05:41 <Deihmos> i still have the Pre. Got tired of replacements
Oct 23 18:06:03 <sugardave> Deihmos: oh you have a minus, but don't want a Pre 2?  I do :D
Oct 23 18:06:05 <Deihmos> the one I have volume button keep sticking but I am not replacing it again
Oct 23 18:07:03 <haeffb> weird. I fixed it by changing the order of the arguments
Oct 23 18:07:13 <haeffb> but I may never know why it did that.
Oct 23 18:07:49 <iWinRar> im sure someone has grabbed spotify and tested it in a country that isnt supported. anyone know the result?
Oct 23 18:07:51 <sugardave> spooky
Oct 23 18:08:05 <haeffb> 		api.getNotesIndex(this.gotNotesIndex.bind(this), null);
Oct 23 18:08:10 <haeffb> that works
Oct 23 18:08:23 <haeffb> 		api.getNotesIndex(null, this.gotNotesIndex.bind(this));
Oct 23 18:08:25 <haeffb> that doesn't
Oct 23 18:09:37 <sugardave> I can't think right now :s
Oct 23 18:09:46 <haeffb> game on again?
Oct 23 18:09:58 <sugardave> yeah, still crappy
Oct 23 18:16:11 <sugardave> 7 out of 29 redzone attempts have resulted in 0 points
Oct 23 18:18:34 <iWinRar> what game
Oct 23 18:20:22 <sugardave> Iowa State at Texas
Oct 23 18:22:41 <iWinRar> ahh
Oct 23 18:30:42 <jamesderektate> hey guys
Oct 23 18:33:32 <sugardave> haeffb: 21 - 6 ISU...I might have to go on a NetFlix binge
Oct 23 18:34:10 <haeffb> wow
Oct 23 18:35:36 <haeffb> how does sqlite store true/false?
Oct 23 18:35:59 <sugardave> I use an integer, not sure what it does with text
Oct 23 18:36:07 <haeffb> hrm.
Oct 23 18:36:13 <summatusmentis> I don't think it has a boolean type, I believe if you try to use TRUE, it'll use 1
Oct 23 18:36:17 <sugardave> iirc sqlite only knows integers or text
Oct 23 18:36:25 <summatusmentis> it might also know blob
Oct 23 18:36:35 <haeffb> ok. I'll stick with "true" and "false"
Oct 23 18:38:51 <jamesderektate> sugardave, you ever formatted a list widget?
Oct 23 18:38:55 <leku> hey
Oct 23 18:39:01 <leku> how do i close apps with my pixi?
Oct 23 18:39:03 <leku> lol
Oct 23 18:39:20 <jamesderektate> drag the app up
Oct 23 18:39:24 <jamesderektate> to just throw the card out
Oct 23 18:39:28 <leku> ahhh
Oct 23 18:39:31 <sugardave> jamesderektate: you mean with a formatters object?
Oct 23 18:39:31 <leku> just got this thing today
Oct 23 18:39:36 <leku> can't beleive there are so many people here!
Oct 23 18:39:38 <jamesderektate> sugardave: just in general... with css.
Oct 23 18:39:38 <leku> anyone work at HP?
Oct 23 18:39:53 <jamesderektate> i'm getting the last list to not have the background color, when i format using css
Oct 23 18:39:54 <jamesderektate> it's strange.
Oct 23 18:40:05 <jamesderektate> formatting via the object, it's fine.
Oct 23 18:40:53 <sugardave> jamesderektate: hmm, when you use a list widget it has different classes for the first and last rows
Oct 23 18:41:08 <sugardave> I would expect the first row to be off, too, though
Oct 23 18:41:29 <leku> man
Oct 23 18:41:31 <leku> webos is fuckin cool
Oct 23 18:41:35 <leku> everyone told me it is dead
Oct 23 18:41:44 <sugardave> leku: far from dead
Oct 23 18:42:04 <haeffb> just on a short hiatus
Oct 23 18:42:14 <leku> i work for HP
Oct 23 18:42:21 <leku> i wish they would give everyone a new palm pre 2
Oct 23 18:42:24 <leku> like microsoft did
Oct 23 18:42:25 <summatusmentis> leku: "everyone" were probably iPgibw and android users
Oct 23 18:42:54 <sugardave> is that the Welsh iPhone?
Oct 23 18:43:06 <haeffb> iPgibw - your fingers are off a key
Oct 23 18:43:30 <haeffb> leku: what do you do for HP? There are sometimes Palm employees here
Oct 23 18:43:41 <jamesderektate> different classes
Oct 23 18:43:43 <leku> HP software
Oct 23 18:43:43 <jamesderektate> okay, great
Oct 23 18:43:44 <leku> nothing to do with palm
Oct 23 18:43:46 <jamesderektate> what are the classes?
Oct 23 18:44:01 <haeffb> palm-row , palm-row first, palm-row last
Oct 23 18:44:09 <jamesderektate> :-)
Oct 23 18:44:12 <sugardave> thtat's it
Oct 23 18:44:13 <jamesderektate> is this in the docs?
Oct 23 18:44:15 <jamesderektate> I could not find it..
Oct 23 18:44:19 <sugardave> the
Oct 23 18:44:20 <sugardave> docs?
Oct 23 18:44:21 <leku> so
Oct 23 18:44:22 <haeffb> its in the CSS
Oct 23 18:44:23 <sugardave> haha
Oct 23 18:44:27 <leku> i have this palm pixi thing
Oct 23 18:44:33 <leku> with verizon, can i develop apps for it?
Oct 23 18:44:39 <sugardave> leku: yes
Oct 23 18:44:41 <haeffb> sure, go ahead
Oct 23 18:44:49 <leku> lol
Oct 23 18:44:51 <leku> how do i get started?
Oct 23 18:44:53 <haeffb> be warned, though, it's very very hard
Oct 23 18:45:04 <leku> really?
Oct 23 18:45:06 <haeffb> http://developer.palm.com
Oct 23 18:45:19 <haeffb> well, we like to tell people that to decrease the competition
Oct 23 18:45:32 <sugardave> it's too easy
Oct 23 18:45:38 <summatusmentis> "too easy"
Oct 23 18:45:40 <leku> lol
Oct 23 18:45:49 <haeffb> you probably really shouldn't click that link above.
Oct 23 18:45:58 <summatusmentis> leku: if you're not used to webdev, there's a bit of a learning curve
Oct 23 18:46:02 <sugardave> true
Oct 23 18:46:02 <summatusmentis> I came from a C/Java background
Oct 23 18:46:11 <leku> i have a perl background
Oct 23 18:46:22 <leku> done some web stuff
Oct 23 18:46:24 <haeffb> I have a "I don't program" background
Oct 23 18:46:33 <sugardave> haeffb: represent!
Oct 23 18:46:36 <summatusmentis> javascript/html/css is pretty straightforward, but it's weird to shift from "real programming" paradigms
Oct 23 18:46:37 <haeffb> which was nice, because I didn't have to unlearn a bunch of other stuff
Oct 23 18:46:39 <summatusmentis> :)
Oct 23 18:47:04 <sugardave> summatusmentis: Don't let Douglas Crockford hear you say that
Oct 23 18:48:04 <summatusmentis> sugardave: there's a reason it was in quotes
Oct 23 18:48:10 <sugardave> haha
Oct 23 18:48:35 <summatusmentis> I'm not willing to be snobby about programming languages
Oct 23 18:48:51 <summatusmentis> but my point is, the shift is sorta odd
Oct 23 18:49:01 <sugardave> 28 - 6, video game time
Oct 23 18:49:19 <haeffb> well...thanks for beating NU.
Oct 23 18:49:24 <sugardave> np
Oct 23 18:52:44 <leku> what webos phones do you guys have?
Oct 23 18:52:49 <leku> i love this
Oct 23 18:53:21 <iWinRar> sprint pre
Oct 23 18:53:51 <leku> will the pre and pixi run the new webos?
Oct 23 18:54:12 <iWinRar> the sprint pre and all other pres will, dont think the pixi will
Oct 23 18:54:37 <jamesderektate> well, the last row isn't affected by adding ".palm-row last" in the css
Oct 23 18:54:43 <jamesderektate> not worried about it, but it is interesting for Ares
Oct 23 18:54:54 <jamesderektate> leku: iPhon
Oct 23 18:54:54 <jamesderektate> e
Oct 23 18:56:08 <iWinRar> you have an iPhon?
Oct 23 18:57:22 <jamesderektate> iPhone
Oct 23 18:57:23 <jamesderektate> yea
Oct 23 18:58:01 <summatusmentis> leku: I've got a sprint pre too
Oct 23 18:58:38 <haeffb> sprint pre
Oct 23 18:58:48 <haeffb> iWinRar: why wouldn't the pixi?
Oct 23 18:59:20 <haeffb> http://www.palm.com/us/products/phones/pixi-family.html
Oct 23 18:59:26 <summatusmentis> the pixi is supposed to be getting 2.0 right?
Oct 23 18:59:29 <summatusmentis> they won't get flash
Oct 23 18:59:32 <haeffb> says it will right on Palm's web page
Oct 23 18:59:37 <iWinRar> oh that might be it summatusmentis
Oct 23 19:00:05 <haeffb> leku: have you installed Java, VirtualBox and the SDK yet?
Oct 23 19:00:49 <leku> no
Oct 23 19:00:54 <leku> just got this phone a few hrs ago
Oct 23 19:01:19 <haeffb> http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&layout=page&id=1661
Oct 23 19:01:24 <summatusmentis> leku: I've had the SDK installed for a year prior to ever purchasing a WebOS phone :)
Oct 23 19:01:36 <leku> i got it from work
Oct 23 19:01:38 <haeffb> it's been 15 minutes since I pointed you to the developer website. What's taking so long?
Oct 23 19:01:41 <leku> had a moto qc9
Oct 23 19:01:44 <leku> finally got em to upgrade me
Oct 23 19:02:09 <haeffb> that last link takes you directly to the instructions for installing SDK on windows
Oct 23 19:02:11 <iWinRar> where u from leku?
Oct 23 19:02:19 <leku> minnesota
Oct 23 19:02:36 <leku> hm
Oct 23 19:02:38 <leku> pixi kinda slow
Oct 23 19:02:44 <leku> maybe its downloading all my gmails
Oct 23 19:03:07 <Deihmos> pixi is slow and so if the pre
Oct 23 19:03:59 <Deihmos> moto q is also slow so it shouldn't matter much
Oct 23 19:04:04 <jamesderektate> wow, iTunes is crazy
Oct 23 19:04:10 <jamesderektate> I didn't realize i can buy virtually any tv show in the US...
Oct 23 19:04:13 <jamesderektate> remember Doug?
Oct 23 19:04:24 <iWinRar> so if the pre?
Oct 23 19:04:38 <summatusmentis> leku: wait, rly? where in MN?
Oct 23 19:05:04 <leku> eagan
Oct 23 19:05:15 <Deihmos> is
Oct 23 19:05:40 <summatusmentis> leku: cool, I'm at school in Morris right now
Oct 23 19:05:48 <leku> nice
Oct 23 19:06:15 <summatusmentis> I just always assume no one else from MN ever is on the internet :)
Oct 23 19:06:17 <leku> shit that is far
Oct 23 19:06:31 <leku> i might be going out that way to duck hunt next weekend
Oct 23 19:06:34 <summatusmentis> yeah, we're quite a ways out here :)
Oct 23 19:06:39 <leku> appleton
Oct 23 19:06:52 <summatusmentis> that's... maybe an hour away? I'm not quite sure
Oct 23 19:07:03 <leku> bout that
Oct 23 19:07:11 <iWinRar> wisconsin?
Oct 23 19:07:19 <leku> nope wrong appleton
Oct 23 19:07:33 <iWinRar> says you
Oct 23 19:07:37 <leku> gotta run bbl
Oct 23 19:14:05 <jamesderektate> cya
Oct 23 19:21:49 <maik> sugardave: your longhorns are failing terribly
Oct 23 19:30:59 <haeffb> BMyers: she says she's not going.
Oct 23 19:31:04 <haeffb> (so far)
Oct 23 19:35:22 <sugardave> maik: I know, it's bad...I turned it back on to see 28 - 21...this is our last hurrah
Oct 23 19:35:46 <maik> ya, we're watching right now.  i don't really care who wins but it would be cool if they could pull out a W
Oct 23 19:36:07 <maik> 1 minute and no timeouts though
Oct 23 19:36:16 <sugardave> I don't have a good feeling
Oct 23 19:36:39 <maik> this announcer on FSN is really grating on my ear nubs
Oct 23 19:36:43 <maik> awwwwww
Oct 23 19:38:23 <sugardave> erg
Oct 23 19:38:30 <sugardave> back to video games
Oct 23 19:40:18 <kesne> rawr
Oct 23 19:42:35 * maik pats sugardave
Oct 23 19:54:27 <iWinRar> ddont pet sugardave, you dont know where he has been
Oct 23 20:00:47 <jamesderektate> is it possible to buy themes on the app catalog?
Oct 23 20:00:48 <jamesderektate> or just apps?
Oct 23 20:02:08 <jamesderektate> looks like just apps... precentral has the free themes
Oct 23 20:02:48 <jamesderektate> it seems like in a lot of apps, the convergence is free and ad supported or just free... except for some great games. pretty interesting.
Oct 23 20:03:33 <iWinRar> http://www.smosh.com/smosh-pit/photos/10-really-cute-girl-celebs-are-still-virgins
Oct 23 20:05:00 <jamesderektate> nice
Oct 23 20:05:35 <jamesderektate> lmao
Oct 23 20:05:49 <jamesderektate> is he relevant anymore? he seems to have come and gone...
Oct 23 20:06:25 <iWinRar> i hope he is gone
Oct 23 20:08:10 <Tibfib> best book ever. http://twitpic.com/2zxjck
Oct 23 20:13:12 <KGF[Pre]> Quick question while I'm on the road...Palm Pre .jar compatibility?
Oct 23 20:14:53 <Tibfib> not compatible
Oct 23 20:15:04 <KGF[Pre]> Harsh.
Oct 23 20:16:06 <summatusmentis> the pre doesn't run java right?
Oct 23 20:16:17 <KGF[Pre]> Any way it would be possible in the future?
Oct 23 20:17:16 <Tibfib> no. Palm is getting RID of java
Oct 23 20:17:57 <KGF[Pre]> Ouch. Means I have to wait for a port of TibiaME.
Oct 23 20:19:07 <Tibfib> http://www.tibiame.com/?section=contact&lan=en&markup=xhtml
Oct 23 20:20:06 <KGF[Pre]> Eh, I'll give it a shot, but doubtful.
Oct 23 20:20:12 * Tibfib is going to dev day!
Oct 23 20:20:35 <kesne> Tibfib: Nice
Oct 23 20:20:48 <kesne> Lucky :P
Oct 23 20:20:54 <KGF[Pre]> Lucky.
Oct 23 20:20:54 <Tibfib> kesne: yeah
Oct 23 20:21:01 <kesne> Don't you have school?
Oct 23 20:21:03 * Tibfib is paying a bit to go.
Oct 23 20:21:13 <Tibfib> kesne: a day or two won't matter
Oct 23 20:21:17 <kesne> Heh
Oct 23 20:21:25 <kesne> That's also lucky
Oct 23 20:21:34 <kesne> If I miss a day or two I'm screwed up the ass
Oct 23 20:21:46 <Tibfib> I probably will be. but that's okay.
Oct 23 20:21:48 <Tibfib> lol
Oct 23 20:22:04 <Tibfib> I'll probably miss 1 day.
Oct 23 20:23:01 <renegaid> i wonder if you go if you will get a free phone. I had a friend that went to an Android function and everyone got a free Evo
Oct 23 20:23:21 <renegaid> didn't have to pay to go either
Oct 23 20:23:22 <Tibfib> I hope so. That'll help lower the cost
Oct 23 20:26:40 <louberry> anyone used grasshoper virtual phone system for their business?
Oct 23 20:27:12 <kesne> Tibfib: You also miss homework time, no?
Oct 23 20:27:40 <Tibfib> kesne: true, but I can do it on the flights.
Oct 23 20:27:47 <kesne> Yeah I suppose
Oct 23 20:27:57 <kesne> I probably should have tried to do it
Oct 23 20:28:14 <kesne> I just have a few huge things due in november, so I'd have to work during all of my down time
Oct 23 20:28:18 <Tibfib> I'm not tooo worried about school. It might get crazy before I go, but that's okay.
Oct 23 20:28:19 <kesne> which I really don't want to do
Oct 23 20:28:31 <louberry> ppl on here developing for themselves or for someone else?
Oct 23 20:28:33 <kesne> Heh, I'm assuming you're a good student?
Oct 23 20:28:41 <Tibfib> kesne: yeah
Oct 23 20:28:42 <kesne> louberry: Both, why?
Oct 23 20:28:57 <kesne> Tibfib: What advanced track system they have where you are?
Oct 23 20:29:13 <Tibfib> kesne: what do you mean? like AP classes? or like a gifted program?
Oct 23 20:29:18 <summatusmentis> louberry: I'm writing software that I want to see, but I'll release it
Oct 23 20:29:21 <kesne> AP stuffers
Oct 23 20:29:28 <Tibfib> lots of ap classes
Oct 23 20:29:29 <kesne> In my school, we have IB
Oct 23 20:30:09 <Tibfib> interesting
Oct 23 20:30:14 * Tibfib googled
Oct 23 20:30:28 <kesne> Heh
Oct 23 20:30:37 <kesne> IB is hell
Oct 23 20:30:43 <kesne> Worst thing that you could ever imagine
Oct 23 20:30:57 <summatusmentis> I'm skeptical, my girlfriend managed just fine :)
Oct 23 20:31:17 <Tibfib> IB seems more like a program. AP are just classes
Oct 23 20:31:27 <haeffb> Tibfib: got flight yet?
Oct 23 20:31:36 <Tibfib> haeffb: not yet
Oct 23 20:31:42 <haeffb> from MCI?
Oct 23 20:31:46 <Tibfib> yeah
Oct 23 20:31:48 <kesne> Tibfib: Yeah, IB is a whole pile of shit program
Oct 23 20:31:49 <kesne> http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/IB
Oct 23 20:32:00 * Tibfib has to make sure the parents are okay with it
Oct 23 20:32:14 <haeffb> Delta 6292
Oct 23 20:32:21 <haeffb> 10:30am thurs
Oct 23 20:32:37 <haeffb> $380 RT, non stop
Oct 23 20:32:48 <Tibfib> kesne: nice
Oct 23 20:33:12 <Tibfib> haeffb: I'm hoping to leave later thurs. We'll see
Oct 23 20:33:59 <Tibfib> non stop is nice tho
Oct 23 20:34:01 * haeffb was going to offer to be your chaperone, but parents probably wouldn't like the idea of a 44=year old man you met on the Internet... 
Oct 23 20:34:17 <summatusmentis> hot
Oct 23 20:34:19 <Tibfib> lolol
Oct 23 20:35:44 <Tibfib> Maybe next dev day ;)
Oct 23 20:37:27 <haeffb> ALTER TABLE can only add one column?
Oct 23 20:38:01 <Tibfib> haeffb: thanks for the thought tho
Oct 23 20:38:44 <summatusmentis> haeffb: do chaperone's pay their charges way to dev day?
Oct 23 20:38:46 <haeffb> fyi, delta flies to LGA, but someone else flies nonstop to Newark.
Oct 23 20:38:49 <summatusmentis> you can be my chaperone if so
Oct 23 20:39:22 <haeffb> and Newark may be closer to dev day
Oct 23 20:40:14 <summatusmentis> also, wtf apostrophe, sorry
Oct 23 20:40:32 <Tibfib> haeffb: not sure where we are staying yet either
Oct 23 20:41:56 <haeffb> summatusmentis: I'll send you an airline ticket and hotel confirmation number. What's your email address and a major credit card number?
Oct 23 20:42:08 <jamesderektate> lol
Oct 23 20:42:11 <summatusmentis> haeffb: :-D
Oct 23 20:42:17 <haeffb> "just for incidentals, of course"
Oct 23 20:42:23 <summatusmentis> of course
Oct 23 20:42:34 <haeffb> I can't be paying for your pron at the hotel
Oct 23 20:42:53 <summatusmentis> credit cards are tools imposed on us by the government so they can track our every move
Oct 23 20:43:29 <summatusmentis> >.>
Oct 23 20:43:31 <haeffb> true. If they weren't a convenient way of paying for things, I would refuse to use them.
Oct 23 20:44:04 <summatusmentis> I don't use one, currently
Oct 23 20:47:43 <jamesderektate> it's smart that
Oct 23 20:47:46 <jamesderektate> palm comes with a pdf reader
Oct 23 20:47:55 <jamesderektate> that seems to be one of the top apps on iOS sales for business users
Oct 23 20:49:06 <Tibfib> too bad it kinda sucks
Oct 23 20:49:10 <Tibfib> (the webOS one)
Oct 23 20:52:15 <kesne> Okay
Oct 23 20:52:21 <kesne> this is the coolest thing I've seen in a long time
Oct 23 20:52:21 <kesne> http://erkie.github.com/
Oct 23 20:54:03 <Tibfib> whatttttttttt!
Oct 23 20:54:57 * Tibfib just destroyed facebook
Oct 23 20:55:40 <kesne> Me too!
Oct 23 20:58:35 <Tibfib> kesne: best thing ever
Oct 23 20:58:55 <Tibfib> engadget is fun to destroy
Oct 23 21:00:56 <kesne> Hehe
Oct 23 21:01:00 <maik> quick study: how many of you guys (how undoubtedly consider yourselves nerds), when you say "knock on wood" and knock on your desk, quickly say "err..particle board or whatever this is..." ?
Oct 23 21:01:24 <kesne> I never ever say "Knock on wood"
Oct 23 21:01:35 <kesne> And I'm considerably less nerdy than one would presume
Oct 23 21:01:37 <Tibfib> maik: depends
Oct 23 21:01:40 <maik> well then this study is not for you, please Click here to continue
Oct 23 21:01:56 <kesne> I'm clicking there and nothing is happening!!
Oct 23 21:01:57 <kesne> AHHHH
Oct 23 21:02:01 * kesne explodes
Oct 23 21:02:44 <rwhitby> morning
Oct 23 21:03:05 <MetaView> hi
Oct 23 21:03:07 <Tibfib> rwhitby: morning
Oct 23 21:03:13 <MetaView> early morning?
Oct 23 21:03:19 <MetaView> on a sunday?
Oct 23 21:03:45 <rwhitby> 7:30am - I have kids
Oct 23 21:03:46 <Tibfib> well. afternoon
Oct 23 21:04:07 <maik> dude that kick ass thing is badass
Oct 23 21:05:15 <MetaView> btw: there is some property in html/css on webkit to tell the element not to grab events, or? like a click-through
Oct 23 21:05:39 <maik> i've seen it but i can't remember what it's called
Oct 23 21:05:51 <BMyers> haeffb: so we are on then?
Oct 23 21:06:15 <haeffb> most likely. unless she changes her mind in the next few days
Oct 23 21:06:26 <BMyers> if she does no problem.
Oct 23 21:06:41 <BMyers> not like i dont have a place to stay in ny
Oct 23 21:06:52 <MetaView> maik: same for me, any good tip I can google for?
Oct 23 21:08:05 <MetaView> http://webos101.com/-webkit-palm-mouse-target here it is
Oct 23 21:08:09 <maik> not that i can think of, but my mind is currently being numbed the the televions
Oct 23 21:08:11 <maik> that's it
Oct 23 21:09:46 <Tibfib> MetaView: that's it. but idk if it works right
Oct 23 21:09:55 <MetaView> but it only works for div''s, not imgages, a pity
Oct 23 21:10:09 <Tibfib> oh. that's why I can't get it to work.
Oct 23 21:10:09 <MetaView> at least this is what 1.01 says about
Oct 23 21:10:15 <MetaView> :)
Oct 23 21:10:32 <MetaView> Tibfib: just ring if you need someone read the docs for you :D
Oct 23 21:10:41 <Tibfib> lol
Oct 23 21:10:45 <Tibfib> thanks, will do :P
Oct 23 21:11:46 * Tibfib destroys the webos101 site out of spite
Oct 23 21:11:56 <kesne> haha!
Oct 23 21:12:22 <rwhitby> anyone heard of any SFR users with a Pre 2 yet?
Oct 23 21:12:50 * halfhalo votes we fly someone to france to buy one then fly back
Oct 23 21:12:51 <MetaView> no, sry
Oct 23 21:12:59 * kesne volunteers
Oct 23 21:13:09 <MetaView> I could take the train...
Oct 23 21:13:12 <Tibfib> If I get to keep it....
Oct 23 21:13:13 <kesne> rwhitby: Destory the SFR page out of spite.
Oct 23 21:13:21 <halfhalo> your like 5, you can't fly on your own kesne
Oct 23 21:13:24 <halfhalo> :p
Oct 23 21:13:29 <kesne> Actually, I can :P
Oct 23 21:13:37 <kesne> consitering MetaView lives in germany, that does make sense.
Oct 23 21:13:46 <MetaView> swisstomcat, should live quite neer to france
Oct 23 21:13:48 <kesne> Then open it up
Oct 23 21:14:01 <kesne> and post everything you find on webos101
Oct 23 21:14:07 <kesne> And laugh a victorious laugh
Oct 23 21:14:11 <MetaView> and there was one frensh developer here in this forum
Oct 23 21:14:54 <MetaView> is the homebrew doc app open source?
Oct 23 21:15:53 <Tibfib> yess
Oct 23 21:16:26 <MetaView> really? then I could borrow the framework and write my UC-patch doc app?
Oct 23 21:16:41 <haeffb> what are the chances my updateDatabaseVersion function works the first time...?
Oct 23 21:16:43 <Tibfib> probably
Oct 23 21:16:51 <Tibfib> haeffb: 4.2%
Oct 23 21:17:01 <Tibfib> repeating. of course
Oct 23 21:18:42 <MetaView> rwhitby: warpdesign is from France
Oct 23 21:18:44 <haeffb> 0%.
Oct 23 21:22:35 <iWinRar> web what?
Oct 23 21:25:22 <qwertypo> Do you guys take other HP questions?
Oct 23 21:25:39 <warpdesign> I am from France indeed
Oct 23 21:25:44 <warpdesign> why ? :)
Oct 23 21:26:13 <qwertypo> Are you responding to me?
Oct 23 21:26:52 <MetaView> warpdesign: rwithby is seeking for someone who buys a Palm 2
Oct 23 21:27:05 <MetaView> [23:08] rwhitby: anyone heard of any SFR users with a Pre 2 yet?
Oct 23 21:27:35 <rwhitby> warpdesign: is the Pre 2 actually available for purchase at SFR yet?
Oct 23 21:27:48 <warpdesign> well, according to the sfr website, it is
Oct 23 21:28:02 <rwhitby> warpdesign: do you anyone who has purchased one?
Oct 23 21:28:08 <warpdesign> but i saw no advertising anywhere, and didn't see anything in the stores
Oct 23 21:28:26 <warpdesign> I don't, but it's unlikely I will find anyone since there is no advertising anywhere
Oct 23 21:29:00 <rwhitby> warpdesign: if you find someone who has bought one, we need the serial number so we can get the webOS 2.0 Doctor
Oct 23 21:29:17 <warpdesign> it's funny: wp7 was supposed to be released 21th, the pre2 22th, and it's like no one had heard about it...
Oct 23 21:29:19 <warpdesign> alright
Oct 23 21:29:24 <warpdesign> why ?
Oct 23 21:29:44 <Deihmos> no one heard of phone 7 or pre 2?
Oct 23 21:29:57 <warpdesign> no word
Oct 23 21:30:10 <warpdesign> there's no marketing push for these devices
Oct 23 21:30:17 <warpdesign> it's all about iphone 4 and android...
Oct 23 21:30:22 <haeffb> error {"message": "unable to verify current version of database", "code": 0}
Oct 23 21:30:30 <Deihmos> android big in france
Oct 23 21:30:46 <warpdesign> well, google is pushing hard for it..
Oct 23 21:31:23 <Deihmos> i would think blackberry or nokia would be more popular in France
Oct 23 21:31:50 <warpdesign> well, the subway is full of iphones
Oct 23 21:31:58 <warpdesign> there are some blackberry here and there
Oct 23 21:32:08 <warpdesign> the rest is some android
Oct 23 21:32:29 <jamesderektate> android big in south korea too
Oct 23 21:32:30 <warpdesign> but google is pushing hard for android everywhere: web, tv, stores,..
Oct 23 21:32:43 <warpdesign> I spoted a pixi once
Oct 23 21:32:44 <StuFFmc> hi
Oct 23 21:32:45 <warpdesign> ;)
Oct 23 21:33:00 <jamesderektate> the low hanging fruit in android appears gone
Oct 23 21:33:03 <jamesderektate> back in july
Oct 23 21:33:15 <jamesderektate> there was SO MUCH to make.... body fat calculators to business card readers
Oct 23 21:33:17 <jamesderektate> now it's all but done
Oct 23 21:33:23 <jamesderektate> same with iOS... the big break throughs are the games.
Oct 23 21:33:27 <Deihmos> Palm had a chance but executed wrong plus webos was barely ready.
Oct 23 21:33:34 <jamesderektate> well
Oct 23 21:33:43 <warpdesign> well, there had been no advertising here in france
Oct 23 21:33:50 <jamesderektate> i do believe webos may be ready, once there are more devices.
Oct 23 21:33:51 <warpdesign> not surprising no one got one
Oct 23 21:33:55 <jamesderektate> thus, im taking the low hanging fruit and writing for webos
Oct 23 21:34:09 <jamesderektate> its a worthy goal .. helping me kick my call of duty habit..
Oct 23 21:34:43 <jamesderektate> i just went through the top grossing in all sections, and i've a list of about 50-60 apps that are... not even on webos yet.
Oct 23 21:34:48 <jamesderektate> and they probably take a day to write, each.
Oct 23 21:35:13 <jamesderektate> wont make me rich, but it'll let me pay for my health insurance eaach month.. w00t
Oct 23 21:35:30 <jamesderektate> this christmas is very important in the smartphone industry...
Oct 23 21:35:40 <jamesderektate> i'm very interested to see marketshare numbers in February 2011
Oct 23 21:35:48 <jamesderektate> i expect iPhone may pull ahead of android.
Oct 23 21:36:03 <jamesderektate> or be right behind... since most things on ANdroid are free..
Oct 23 21:36:22 <Deihmos> maybe a couple months ago but at this point I wouldn't be surprised that webos is losing more customers than gain
Oct 23 21:36:25 <warpdesign> I forcast... iphone, android, blackberry, palm around 1% (as it is)
Oct 23 21:36:36 <warpdesign> I don't see how it would change
Oct 23 21:37:06 <StuFFmc> I received a pre plus from Palm in Germany at an event… it's a german device, but I was unnaware it's a Vodafone device, and I took a SIM card at O2… now willing to activate the device...
Oct 23 21:37:11 <jamesderektate> blackberry will...
Oct 23 21:37:15 <jamesderektate> windows hpone 7 flops
Oct 23 21:37:18 <jamesderektate> MS buys RIMM
Oct 23 21:37:28 <jamesderektate> Android will probalby have about 40% of smartphone marketshare
Oct 23 21:37:36 <Deihmos> blackberry is huge worldwide
Oct 23 21:38:14 <StuFFmc> so the question is how I can activate this device with O2...
Oct 23 21:38:27 <StuFFmc> hoping it's doable, obviously.
Oct 23 21:38:30 <haeffb> error {"message": "unable to verify current version of database", "code": 0}
Oct 23 21:38:42 <haeffb> db.changeVersion giving that error...
Oct 23 21:38:48 <jamesderektate> nokia?
Oct 23 21:38:52 <warpdesign> wp7 seems to be pretty nice actually. but not ready yet. with an update or two or could be real nice.. but problem is google & apple won't wait for them..
Oct 23 21:40:20 <MetaView> StuFFmc: I received an UK device and paid 30€ to unlock it
Oct 23 21:40:54 <MetaView> didn't moved my account to it yet
Oct 23 21:40:56 <StuFFmc> hmm...
Oct 23 21:41:05 <StuFFmc> this starts to be an expensive story :(
Oct 23 21:41:24 <warpdesign> it's a shame you have to pay to unlock a device you bought
Oct 23 21:41:34 <StuFFmc> Vodafone's starting point is at 25 eur / month, way to expensive for the use I do of my Pre.
Oct 23 21:42:33 <MetaView> well, the Pre was free, and then I guess 30€ is ok
Oct 23 21:42:54 <MetaView> I got a Pixi from Palm, which costs me 55€ and then it is CDMA
Oct 23 21:43:09 <MetaView> not usable at all except for dev
Oct 23 21:44:15 <rwhitby> StuFFmc: have you doctored the device and tried to activated it with your SIM card?
Oct 23 21:44:44 <kesne> Remember when the pre used to sync with iTunes?
Oct 23 21:44:54 <Deihmos> lol
Oct 23 21:45:04 <jamesderektate> right
Oct 23 21:45:06 <jamesderektate> windows phone 7 will flop.
Oct 23 21:45:14 <SineOt> you mean when it changed its USB vendor/product IDs so it was an iPod? :3c
Oct 23 21:45:15 <Deihmos> I doubt it
Oct 23 21:45:28 <warpdesign> jamesderektate: I don't think so
Oct 23 21:45:31 <warpdesign> but time will tell..
Oct 23 21:45:37 <Deihmos> windows phone has a microsoft who has billions of dollars
Oct 23 21:45:50 <jamesderektate> really?
Oct 23 21:45:55 <jamesderektate> look at the king
Oct 23 21:45:59 <jamesderektate> kin*
Oct 23 21:46:04 <Deihmos> all the reviews say the Os is pretty good just missing a few options
Oct 23 21:46:24 <SineOt> the Kin was a danger product that only got pushed because of contractual agreements with Verizon
Oct 23 21:46:26 <Deihmos> i don't know what kin is but phone 7 seems to be very important to them
Oct 23 21:46:49 <SineOt> it would have been killed a long, long time before reaching launch if there weren't those contractual agreements
Oct 23 21:47:55 <Deihmos> i think webos has a bigger chance of flopping then phone 7
Oct 23 21:49:08 <SineOt> "webos will never die... it'll just start powering your printer"
Oct 23 21:52:04 <Deihmos> it's sad really. Webos could have been successful with better hardware. I had to exchange me and the wife Pre so many times and she hated it.
Oct 23 21:52:43 <jamesderektate> you are saying it is not successful
Oct 23 21:52:45 <jamesderektate> what about NEXT year
Oct 23 21:52:45 <warpdesign> i agree Deihmos
Oct 23 21:53:05 <warpdesign> too bad there isn't a true iphone like device to really push webos
Oct 23 21:56:37 <Deihmos> jamesderektate, how could it be considered successful when Palm had to be sold
Oct 23 21:56:51 <jamesderektate> you are right
Oct 23 21:56:55 <jamesderektate> so what will happen
Oct 23 21:57:00 <jamesderektate> do you think HP folds webos?
Oct 23 21:57:18 <SineOt> the fact that someone paid as much as HP did for it implies that it was at least partly successful
Oct 23 21:57:19 <Deihmos> it will be an up hill battle. Only time will tell
Oct 23 21:57:33 <SineOt> because if it was completely unsuccessful they'd have folded in bankruptcy and never been bought
Oct 23 21:57:55 <Deihmos> HP only paid 5 bucks a share. Couple months earlier Palm was trading at $17+
Oct 23 21:58:09 <jamesderektate> i remember
Oct 23 21:58:12 <Deihmos> sorry for those that didn't sell
Oct 23 21:58:13 <jamesderektate> i shorted palm
Oct 23 21:58:14 <jamesderektate> :D
Oct 23 21:58:21 <jamesderektate> but it was like a year long process cause
Oct 23 21:58:28 <jamesderektate> it stayed in the teens for so long, especially with rumors and bs
Oct 23 21:58:31 <Deihmos> a lot of people lost money
Oct 23 21:58:35 <jamesderektate> but i think 2011 is webos' year
Oct 23 21:59:02 <MetaView> Palm was at 2 or 3$ per share 2 years ago
Oct 23 21:59:18 <Deihmos> Android is so far ahead in the game. It will be uphill struggle really
Oct 23 22:00:11 <jamesderektate> yep
Oct 23 22:00:15 <jamesderektate> palm $2 to $17 back to $5
Oct 23 22:00:22 <jamesderektate> RIMM and NOK last pure plays
Oct 23 22:00:29 <jamesderektate> i think windows phone 7 is a flop
Oct 23 22:01:10 <SineOt> Playbook will be hilarious when it releases because they still haven't come out and said what the battery life estimates will be
Oct 23 22:03:33 <haeffb> "<Deihmos> windows phone has a microsoft who has billions of dollars"
Oct 23 22:03:41 <haeffb> and webOS has... ?
Oct 23 22:03:50 <Deihmos> meaning they will market the hell out of it
Oct 23 22:03:59 <Deihmos> even pay for developers
Oct 23 22:04:08 <haeffb> and webOS has... ?
Oct 23 22:04:09 <Deihmos> hell it already got an official twitter app.
Oct 23 22:04:32 <MetaView> how many apps on Wp7 available yet?
Oct 23 22:04:39 <Deihmos> have no idea
Oct 23 22:04:55 <haeffb> that's right, webOS has an HP who has billions of dollars
Oct 23 22:05:00 <SineOt> on launch day it had 88 apps I think?
Oct 23 22:05:04 <SineOt> dunno what it has now
Oct 23 22:06:21 <Deihmos> there is no way phone 7 will fail
Oct 23 22:06:45 <jamesderektate> i disagree
Oct 23 22:06:51 <jamesderektate> i can't believe it, have you seen the thing?
Oct 23 22:06:52 <Deihmos> multiple manufacturers, office integration
Oct 23 22:06:54 <Deihmos> xbox live
Oct 23 22:06:56 <Deihmos> zune
Oct 23 22:06:59 <jamesderektate> the main screen looks outdated.
Oct 23 22:07:13 <StuFFmc> rwhitby: trying it right now
Oct 23 22:07:47 <jamesderektate> zune failed
Oct 23 22:07:58 <jamesderektate> iTunes and iPhone have like 70% of mp3 market or something silly
Oct 23 22:08:04 <MetaView> good night
Oct 23 22:08:25 <Deihmos> zune is more than just an mp3 player. it's also on xbox live
Oct 23 22:08:32 <jamesderektate> hhmm
Oct 23 22:08:44 <jamesderektate> i guess i see webos getting larger only _if_ hp rolls out more devices
Oct 23 22:08:50 <jamesderektate> if they do not, then webos will slowly fade away
Oct 23 22:09:19 <Deihmos> the first device shouldn't have been a rehashed Pre. That's my opinion
Oct 23 22:09:22 <jamesderektate> i was in college during iOS' rise... so i never had a chance until after graduation to make an app
Oct 23 22:09:26 <jamesderektate> but by then, too late!
Oct 23 22:09:43 <jamesderektate> all the top iOS apps are free on ANdroid
Oct 23 22:09:49 <jamesderektate> that is why Android will likely be the dominant platform
Oct 23 22:10:07 <jamesderektate> we have Samsung and HTC to thank
Oct 23 22:10:20 <Deihmos> android could become dominant becuase there are 100s of phones
Oct 23 22:10:44 <SineOt> yeah
Oct 23 22:10:57 <Deihmos> in terms of making money Apple will remain #1 while 100s of Android phone compete with each other
Oct 23 22:10:59 <SineOt> the mere fact that the iPhone has dominated so much when there's only -4- phones
Oct 23 22:11:04 <SineOt> is saying a lot
Oct 23 22:11:45 <jamesderektate> iPhone 4 is the leader in the mobile space
Oct 23 22:11:46 <jamesderektate> i'd say
Oct 23 22:11:55 <jamesderektate> Samsung Galaxy phones and iPhone 4
Oct 23 22:12:23 <Deihmos> imagine if the iphone was on all carriers
Oct 23 22:12:31 <Deihmos> in the usa
Oct 23 22:12:34 <jamesderektate> it will be on verizon
Oct 23 22:12:41 <jamesderektate> and then yez
Oct 23 22:12:51 <jamesderektate> iPhone may zoom from 18% to 35% of marketshare..
Oct 23 22:13:04 <jamesderektate> the galaxy tab will likely fail
Oct 23 22:13:16 <Deihmos> of course it will
Oct 23 22:13:32 <Deihmos> android wasn't even designed for tabs
Oct 23 22:13:44 <SineOt> it'll do passable but it won't be anything amazing simply because of the price :C
Oct 23 22:13:51 <SineOt> 599 unsubsidized
Oct 23 22:14:44 <jamesderektate> Android may be google's answer to mobile... but i dont think.. maybe chrome os will be the tab answer
Oct 23 22:14:47 <jamesderektate> it's crazy
Oct 23 22:14:54 <jamesderektate> Nokia ain't even in the smartphone race!
Oct 23 22:16:17 <jamesderektate> I think iPhone and Android will have about 50% marketshare in smartphones this time next year
Oct 23 22:16:24 <jamesderektate> (or more)
Oct 23 22:16:34 <jamesderektate> webos could be 10% or 15% if they do it properly
Oct 23 22:16:36 <jamesderektate> it's way better than RIMM
Oct 23 22:19:49 <Deihmos> my wife liked her blackberry a lot more than the Pre
Oct 23 22:20:13 <Deihmos> always complained how slow the pre was and stuff it couldn't do that she did on the berry
Oct 23 22:21:15 <iWinRar> what is wimax promising for max connection? and i dont mean that max test recently
Oct 23 22:21:27 <Deihmos> 10
Oct 23 22:21:41 <Deihmos> 10mbps
Oct 23 22:25:05 <Deihmos> another reason why phone 7 wouldn't fail is that it has netflix
Oct 23 22:28:14 <andrew__> hello, i'm having difficulty with this app i'm making. I've set a div to 100% and when the app is rendering it doesn't resize the content divtom to take up all space not taken by the header or the buttons at the bot
Oct 23 22:28:31 <andrew__> it only seems to take up as much room as the data inside the div
Oct 23 22:29:05 <andrew__> if I set manual pixels instead of pecentages it works fine. but this won't work as when you rotate the device the screen resolution changes
Oct 23 22:29:44 <andrew__> I also tried making the div a scroller and setting that with h: 100% but didn't resolve it
Oct 23 22:30:28 <andrew__> has anyone run into this before and know what i'm doing wrong?
Oct 23 22:34:37 <BMyers> andrew__:  yes i have run in to that
Oct 23 22:35:13 <BMyers> my workaround was to wrap the 100% div in a pixel coded div
Oct 23 22:35:31 <BMyers> and listen for a device rotation and reset the pixel #'s to match
Oct 23 22:35:46 <BMyers> and account for pre/pixi screen sizes
Oct 23 22:37:04 <andrew__> i wonder why that is, do you know if this bug report has been submitted
Oct 23 22:37:17 <BMyers> it's css
Oct 23 22:37:40 <andrew__> i tried setting html and body to 100% as well but that didn't work
Oct 23 22:38:09 <andrew__> whats weird is ares has some work around but i can't seem to figure out what i'm doing differently
Oct 23 22:38:58 <andrew__> (other than not laying everything out in javascript)
Oct 23 22:42:38 <BMyers> document.body.clientWidth  gets set on render but when you change orientation it does not
Oct 23 22:43:38 <StuFFmc> Just to report that I shouldn't have worried about the fact that the phone is a Vodafone phone :) Activation went fine with O2....
Oct 23 22:43:48 <StuFFmc> cheers
Oct 23 22:44:20 <andrew__> well width isn't having any issues for me
Oct 23 22:44:23 <andrew__> its just height
Oct 23 22:44:38 <andrew__> even on orientation change
Oct 23 22:54:28 <maik> ugh, why isn't there a dialog like errorDialog that can just take a "title" and "message" ?
Oct 23 23:00:57 <jamesderektate> ok
Oct 23 23:38:11 <dawm|laptop> wholy crap heh.. just put up a donation topic on a local forum i run, and already have donations rolling in.. topic isnt even 2 minutes old.. <3 site supporters
Oct 23 23:39:31 <andrew__> i'm having issues with my navigation icons in my webos app (it is firing before my icon is even clicked on
Oct 23 23:39:45 <andrew__> here is the pastebin if anyone can see what I'm doing wrong
Oct 23 23:39:47 <andrew__> http://pastebin.com/TucPjgFa
Oct 23 23:59:04 <xbonesx> so i have control.tar.gz, data.tar.gz and debian-binary, i want to package them into an ipk, how do i do it?
Oct 24 00:03:11 <andrew__> xbonesx try this http://www.bitsum.com/creating_ipk_packages.htm
Oct 24 00:03:39 <xbonesx> i found this one but the script wont seem to work
Oct 24 00:03:47 <xbonesx> http://www.oesf.org/index.php?title=IPKG_Howto
Oct 24 00:04:21 <xbonesx> andrew__: ?
Oct 24 00:05:06 <andrew__> I just searched and posted the most relevant result. I really don't know how one would do that
Oct 24 00:06:02 <xbonesx> oh lol, when are the majority of the members on the channel? do you know?
Oct 24 00:06:20 <xbonesx> its 7pm where i am right now...
Oct 24 00:06:36 <andrew__> unfortunately not. I've been sitting here waiting to see if somene could figure out  what I did wrong on my on tap trigger
Oct 24 00:06:52 <andrew__> its 7 here too but most everyone seems afk
Oct 24 00:08:18 <andrew__> i tried using "Palm.Picture" so i could use my own images for onTap events instead of palm's built in buttons but its not working
Oct 24 00:08:32 <xbonesx> im sry "afk" ?
Oct 24 00:08:43 <andrew__> away from keyboard
Oct 24 00:08:49 <xbonesx> oh right
Oct 24 00:09:20 <oil> lol
Oct 24 00:09:38 <xbonesx> um you dont want to use global picturs?
Oct 24 00:09:38 <xbonesx> pictures*
Oct 24 00:09:38 <xbonesx> the sprites for buttons?
Oct 24 00:09:38 <xbonesx> you want to use your own?
Oct 24 00:09:38 <xbonesx> right?
Oct 24 00:09:46 <oil> hey its haeffb on wirc
Oct 24 00:09:56 <xbonesx> lol
Oct 24 00:10:06 <andrew__> yeah, Global pictures/
Oct 24 00:10:11 <andrew__> *?
Oct 24 00:10:29 <xbonesx> so would you just create a css that places defined picture where you want them?
Oct 24 00:10:37 <xbonesx> wouldnt*
Oct 24 00:11:09 <andrew__> i have the images showing just fine
Oct 24 00:11:25 <xbonesx> ok... ?
Oct 24 00:11:53 <andrew__> its just that I defined it as a Palm.Picture widget so I could use the Mojo Event Listener to listen for an ontap
Oct 24 00:12:18 <andrew__> but it seems to fire regardless on first scene load
Oct 24 00:12:33 <andrew__> and when I swipe back tapping does nothing
Oct 24 00:12:41 <xbonesx> oh sry andrew, my knowledge is only that of some common sense, i havent embarked into the world of webos apps yet, i myself am trying to mess with themes right now
Oct 24 00:13:12 <kesne_> halfhalo: You around?
Oct 24 00:14:05 <xbonesx> im trying to use this http://www.oesf.org/index.php?title=IPKG_Howto to package my control.tar.gz, data.tar.gz and debian-binary, but the script isnt working, help please?
Oct 24 00:14:23 <xbonesx> bad service area lol
Oct 24 00:14:32 <andrew__> you know when I finally figure out how to do this I should make a series of 101 basic app stuff that isnt' covered in the documentation for new poeple
Oct 24 00:14:36 <andrew__> *people
Oct 24 00:15:08 <kesne_> andrew__: Check out the sample apps packaged in the sdk
Oct 24 00:15:30 <kesne> It covers most everything you could think of API-wise
Oct 24 00:17:05 <andrew__> I'll do that the thing is I'm doing things how I see them in the documentation/ how its done in ares (but doing layout via html not js) and its just not working
Oct 24 00:19:08 <kesne> Hmm, well sounds like more of an issue of the user than the documentation? Some of the docs do have occational errors though, so make sure you keep an eye out for dropped brackets, etc.
Oct 24 00:20:21 <andrew__> Yeah i've found a few of those, but it definitely is a user issue I was mainly asking for  afresh pair of eyes thus the pastebin an hr and a half ago
Oct 24 00:20:37 <kesne> Oh
Oct 24 00:48:11 <maik> frick.  showDialog keeps throwing Uncaught ReferenceError saying the class i'm referencing is not defined
Oct 24 01:05:35 <maik> haha omg
Oct 24 01:05:39 <maik> sugardave: i'm awesome
Oct 24 01:05:49 <maik> and i <3 javascript's sheer audacity for letting me do what i just did
Oct 24 01:57:49 <sugardave> maik: what kind of awesome did you bring?
Oct 24 01:58:05 <maik> friggen Inception-style callback handling
Oct 24 01:58:12 <sugardave> haven't seen it
Oct 24 01:58:15 <sugardave> don't tell me
Oct 24 01:58:22 <maik> are you kidding me?
Oct 24 01:58:32 <sugardave> no
Oct 24 01:58:49 <sugardave> I mean about the movie
Oct 24 01:58:52 <maik> dude.  you have to find a theater that it's still playing in and see it
Oct 24 01:59:13 <sugardave> I'll try to make it
Oct 24 01:59:24 <maik> take your wife
Oct 24 02:00:23 <sugardave> I"m watching the "sure to be a classic" 2012 on NetFlix
Oct 24 02:00:34 <maik> 2012 was pretty good
Oct 24 02:00:45 <sugardave> I liked Woody Harrelson's part
Oct 24 02:00:54 <maik> Inception was something else entirely though
Oct 24 02:00:59 <maik> hah ya, he plays a good crazy
Oct 24 02:25:19 <CTLAdvance> Good day, afternoon, evening
Oct 24 02:28:26 <CTLAdvance> Anyone have the audio file for All Your Base
Oct 24 02:32:08 <CTLAdvance> disregard I got it
Oct 24 02:32:10 <CTLAdvance> http://urgo.org/funny/mp3/Laziest_Men_On_Mars_-_All_Your_Base_Are_Belong_To_Us.mp3
Oct 24 02:33:19 <maik> is there a way to see if  a custom dialog has been "canceled" out of by using the back gesture?
Oct 24 02:37:28 <CTLAdvance> you can handle the back gesture in your app if you use an app assistant to listen for it
Oct 24 02:37:35 <CTLAdvance> so I would say yes
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