**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Oct 25 02:59:57 2010
Oct 25 03:07:54 <maik> ugh, i need some house advice.  we have a new build and the attic crawl-space entrance is sealed.  one of the people during the buying process said it had to be sealed because that's what the code says.  someone else said it can't support any more weight than is already up there so i can't go up there.  is that true?
Oct 25 03:09:05 <sugardave> that sounds like a bunch of bullshit to me, where do you live?
Oct 25 03:09:45 <maik> washington state
Oct 25 03:09:47 <whoolio> u bought the house already?
Oct 25 03:10:05 <whoolio> sound sfubar to me
Oct 25 03:10:06 <maik> that's what i thought too, but wife is leery about letting me go up there
Oct 25 03:10:13 <whoolio> soudns fubar
Oct 25 03:10:20 <maik> yes, the realtor said it's common practice
Oct 25 03:10:36 <sugardave> how are you supposed to check/change/upgrade the insulation?
Oct 25 03:10:48 <whoolio> yeah? its new house? and u have a sealed in area of the house u can't use
Oct 25 03:10:54 <maik> brand new construction
Oct 25 03:10:57 <maik> ya
Oct 25 03:11:04 <whoolio> i think u ne4ed ot speak to someone other than someone who profited form the sale
Oct 25 03:11:12 <whoolio> including the lawyer
Oct 25 03:11:23 <maik> the city inspector signed off on it and i'm assuming it's fine, but i'd still like to get up there and poke around
Oct 25 03:11:24 <sugardave> Yeah, I'd get a new inspector out there, pronto
Oct 25 03:11:57 <whoolio> if it can't support any more weight,what abnout the snow on your roof?
Oct 25 03:12:01 <sugardave> maik: you can go up there, just keep your feet on the rafters
Oct 25 03:12:07 <maik> whoolio: good point
Oct 25 03:12:08 <whoolio> yeah...don'
Oct 25 03:12:12 <maik> sugardave: right
Oct 25 03:12:12 <whoolio> t stand on the sheet rock
Oct 25 03:12:34 <whoolio> what baout installgn a dropceiling ro 2
Oct 25 03:12:37 <whoolio> or 2
Oct 25 03:12:55 <maik> drop ceiling?
Oct 25 03:12:58 <sugardave> yeah, there's all kinds of reasons to need attic access
Oct 25 03:13:10 <whoolio> maybe some inset lights...im sure you can find 150-200 pouns of stuff to "add" more weight ot your ceiling
Oct 25 03:13:23 <maik> there's a panel, it's just "sealed" (probably painted over by what i'm reading here: http://inspectorreuben.activerain.com/post/925826/break-the-attic-access-seal-yes- )
Oct 25 03:13:33 <sugardave> I would now begin to be concerned about what they don't want you to see up there
Oct 25 03:13:44 <maik> oh, right
Oct 25 03:13:56 <maik> sigh
Oct 25 03:14:10 <maik> well fortunately it's under a warranty for the first year
Oct 25 03:14:28 <sugardave> oh, I see...sealed just means it got painted over
Oct 25 03:14:29 <maik> we know it's shitty construction, but that's to be expected for mass-produced houses
Oct 25 03:14:30 <sugardave> you're fine
Oct 25 03:14:36 <sugardave> get on up there and check it out
Oct 25 03:14:45 <oil_pre> I know someone who has fell throug a ceiling, haha
Oct 25 03:14:50 <maik> well maybe, realtor said it was caulked but it's hard to tell because it's been painted over too
Oct 25 03:15:06 <rwhitby> put a knife edge to the paint on the edge of the seal so you get a clean break
Oct 25 03:15:10 <sugardave> you can tell if it's caulked or not
Oct 25 03:15:19 <sugardave> when you do what rwhitby just said
Oct 25 03:15:27 <whoolio> it was p[ainted over bacuse they came in and put plastic windows and spray poianted everythign else
Oct 25 03:15:45 <whoolio> sorry ...put plastic on the windows
Oct 25 03:16:03 <maik> that article i linked said to get a better look after youv'e broken the seal it's best to just push up and break the seal, taking a knife to it would leave a visible break
Oct 25 03:16:22 <sugardave> paint
Oct 25 03:16:32 <maik> sure sure
Oct 25 03:16:33 <sugardave> trust me, your wife will want to repaint soon
Oct 25 03:16:41 <sugardave> if not now
Oct 25 03:16:49 <maik> heh
Oct 25 03:16:55 <rwhitby> well it's probably only had the primer coat anyway
Oct 25 03:16:58 <whoolio> on ereason why u nee ot get in the attic...set mouse traps if you linve in the country
Oct 25 03:17:11 <whoolio> check that squirrels hane't gotten in
Oct 25 03:17:14 <sugardave> rwhitby: yeah, probably so
Oct 25 03:17:19 <sugardave> racoons
Oct 25 03:17:23 <rwhitby> dropbears
Oct 25 03:17:27 <maik> ya, the idea is if i don't see any good access up there for ethernet runs (yes, i'm kicking myself for not having done it before the walls were up) then i'll probably start cutting into the drywall
Oct 25 03:17:36 <whoolio> haha..raccons woud probably mean you need a new roof
Oct 25 03:17:43 <maik> heh
Oct 25 03:18:07 <sugardave> maik: I'm trying to figure out how to retro-fit this 2-story place for drops...not looking forward to it
Oct 25 03:18:27 <whoolio> u could get a wireless router and throw a couple wireless nic cards in your desktops
Oct 25 03:18:38 <sugardave> that's basically what I have now
Oct 25 03:18:42 <maik> whoolio: we have no desktops, and wireless isn't so good for heavy streaming
Oct 25 03:19:03 <maik> i've got some ideas, i just need to get up there to see if it will work
Oct 25 03:19:14 <sugardave> but eventually, when I win the lottery, I'd like to get some sweet Myth TV going with frontends in the bedrooms
Oct 25 03:19:33 <whoolio> ive used the prongle can for wireless
Oct 25 03:19:39 <whoolio> pringle can
Oct 25 03:19:50 <whoolio> http://www.cantenna.com/
Oct 25 03:19:53 <sugardave> the pringle can?
Oct 25 03:19:55 <sugardave> ok
Oct 25 03:20:06 <whoolio> yeah...u can build it yourself from a pringles can
Oct 25 03:20:20 <sugardave> interesting
Oct 25 03:20:31 <whoolio> bit of a pain to point at a distant wireless point
Oct 25 03:20:36 <rwhitby> whoolio: more point to point than area coverage though, right?
Oct 25 03:20:50 <whoolio> anyone want one...ill sell mine...lol
Oct 25 03:21:05 <summatusmentis> I thought it was just a range extender rwhitby
Oct 25 03:21:29 <whoolio> yeah...i used it renting a cabin for a year...
Oct 25 03:21:38 <whoolio> had no cable at all
Oct 25 03:21:51 <whoolio> so i pointed it to the main house and picked up the wireless network there
Oct 25 03:22:08 <bpadalino> how far away was that ?
Oct 25 03:22:23 <whoolio> 500 feet alteast
Oct 25 03:22:34 <whoolio> sucked when it rained or was foggy
Oct 25 03:22:39 <whoolio> no reception
Oct 25 03:24:04 <whoolio> i had to point it right where the wireless router was otherwise i couldn 't get the signal
Oct 25 03:24:58 <bpadalino> yeah, those antennas are very directional
Oct 25 03:25:24 <rwhitby> and you usually want to have directional at both ends of the link
Oct 25 03:25:49 <bpadalino> indeed
Oct 25 03:31:01 <whoolio> i guess no one wants be mine...
Oct 25 03:31:04 <whoolio> lol
Oct 25 03:36:07 <whoolio> i got an ares css question...where do u put your styles?
Oct 25 03:36:29 <whoolio> i put them in the index.html file and used the classname field but it snot working
Oct 25 03:40:45 <rwhitby> sugardave: widget is showing 20% now
Oct 25 04:10:10 <sugardave> rwhitby: sweet, getting closer :D
Oct 25 04:16:46 <sugardave> rwhitby: their FAQ says the widget is supposed to update every 5 minutes, but obviously that is not the case
Oct 25 04:40:09 <dohtem> ha! - http://danandbeanz.com/Assets/bitsToSee/poster92654750.jpg
Oct 25 06:57:10 <hotdp> Good morning
Oct 25 07:55:59 <swisstomcat> morning
Oct 25 07:57:04 <dkirker> 'morning swisstomcat
Oct 25 07:57:50 <hotdp> Good morning swisstomcat
Oct 25 07:57:58 <swisstomcat> morning guys
Oct 25 07:58:04 <dkirker> 'morning hotdp
Oct 25 07:58:07 <hotdp> fyi, i have written to pdc about pre 2
Oct 25 07:58:13 <hotdp> morning dkirker :D
Oct 25 07:58:28 <swisstomcat> cool
Oct 25 07:58:38 <hotdp> So if you did the same ?
Oct 25 07:58:43 <hotdp> (more pressure)
Oct 25 07:59:04 <swisstomcat> hehe
Oct 25 07:59:27 <hotdp> hehe = yes or no ? :D
Oct 25 08:00:44 <swisstomcat> i might as well ask too
Oct 25 09:02:50 <hotdp> swisstomcat you there?
Oct 25 09:02:58 <swisstomcat> yeah
Oct 25 09:03:08 <hotdp> We have to get SugarDave to dev days :)
Oct 25 09:03:17 <swisstomcat> yup, i've already chipped in
Oct 25 09:03:19 <hotdp> He deserv it
Oct 25 09:03:25 <hotdp> i know just read it
Oct 25 09:03:47 <hotdp> He said to me he could not come, then i got him to take donations and he would think about it
Oct 25 09:03:55 <hotdp> but it looks like he has picked it up?
Oct 25 09:04:05 <swisstomcat> looks like
Oct 25 09:04:13 <swisstomcat> good job!
Oct 25 09:04:19 <swisstomcat> he's helped me a lot
Oct 25 09:04:29 <hotdp> me 2!
Oct 25 09:04:36 <hotdp> Thats why i said he should come
Oct 25 09:04:55 <hotdp> He asked why people would pay him, then i said i would pay, he have helped alot in IRC
Oct 25 09:07:08 <swisstomcat> next time i hope to come too
Oct 25 09:07:12 <swisstomcat> maybe it will be in europe :)
Oct 25 09:07:36 <hotdp> hehe, i really don't think so. But would have been good if you came
Oct 25 09:10:48 <swisstomcat> yeah
Oct 25 09:10:51 <swisstomcat> wish i could come
Oct 25 09:10:59 <swisstomcat> but money won't make that happen
Oct 25 09:15:43 <hotdp> i know :)
Oct 25 09:17:00 <dkirker> WTF? http://motionapps.blogspot.com/2010/10/motionapps-hands-classic-over-to-palm.html
Oct 25 09:17:06 <rwhitby> sugardave is 45%  of the way there
Oct 25 09:17:49 * hotdp just donated to sugardave, he helps so many in here
Oct 25 09:18:48 <hotdp> dkirker i don't use it. But does not sound great
Oct 25 09:19:19 <dkirker> no, I use it, sometimes. I still have a *lot* of data in PalmOS.
Oct 25 09:19:31 <dkirker> This almost tempts me to return to my Centro...
Oct 25 09:19:51 <hotdp> hehe but maybe Palm will use the code?
Oct 25 09:20:06 <dkirker> They better. They'd be stupid not to.
Oct 25 09:20:54 <dkirker> One of the reasons one of my friends left Palm devices was because of data. He had a lot of data invested in PalmOS and saw little opportunity to move that data to webOS, easily. He now uses an iPhone.
Oct 25 09:21:11 <hotdp> hehe
Oct 25 09:22:11 * dkirker avoids a rant
Oct 25 09:22:24 <dkirker> It is way too late, I shouldn't be on IRC at these hours.
Oct 25 09:22:43 <hotdp> :)
Oct 25 09:22:48 <hotdp> Good night then
Oct 25 09:22:56 <hotdp> dkirker are you going to nyc?
Oct 25 09:23:06 <dkirker> I still have an hour of work and homework to do.
Oct 25 09:23:29 <dkirker> hotdp: Alas, my odds of making it are very slim. Primarily because of money.
Oct 25 09:23:57 <hotdp> hehe i fell like all people say that :D
Oct 25 09:24:13 <dkirker> It is hard being a student. :/
Oct 25 09:24:32 <dkirker> I'll probably wait until the next one in the Bay Area.
Oct 25 09:26:54 <hotdp> :)
Oct 25 09:28:06 <dkirker> I wish I could go to NYC. It'd be a blast. I'd really like to see Ben. We're pretty good friends and I have not seen him in a long time. Unfortunately for me, I am a student with little time on my hands, and definitely little money. :/
Oct 25 09:28:24 <swisstomcat> how far is it for you to go to NYC?
Oct 25 09:28:45 <dkirker> About 3,000 miles. I live in California. :|
Oct 25 09:29:08 <hotdp> for how long will you be a student?
Oct 25 09:29:18 <dkirker> about another year and a half.
Oct 25 09:29:22 <swisstomcat> oh
Oct 25 09:29:27 <hotdp> what are you reading?
Oct 25 09:29:34 <swisstomcat> almost the same for me in europe, dkirker
Oct 25 09:29:48 * rwhitby wins for furthest distance
Oct 25 09:29:51 <dkirker> hotdp: reading?
Oct 25 09:32:03 <hotdp> studying?
Oct 25 09:32:17 <dkirker> ah
Oct 25 09:32:20 <dkirker> computer science
Oct 25 09:32:35 <hotdp> oki :)
Oct 25 09:32:53 <hotdp> Reading was a bad Danish translation. Because we always say "what do you read"
Oct 25 09:33:08 <hotdp> read = studying in danish
Oct 25 09:34:26 <dkirker> Ah, I see. That is what I suspected, but I wasn't entirely sure. :)
Oct 25 09:35:25 <hotdp> hehe my bad :P
Oct 25 10:08:59 <warpdesign__> hi
Oct 25 10:09:53 <warpdesign__> good morning
Oct 25 10:10:09 <swisstomcat> morning warpdesign
Oct 25 10:19:51 <dkirker> good night everyone!
Oct 25 10:22:26 <swisstomcat> night dkirker
Oct 25 10:29:08 <rwhitby> warpdesign__: apparently http://twitter.com/#!/cyber4111/status/28633891204 has a Pre 2 in France
Oct 25 10:31:31 <warpdesign__> nice rwhitby
Oct 25 10:37:03 <warpdesign__> anyone from france/gb with a palm device ?
Oct 25 10:43:27 <hotdp> warpdesign__ i have an german
Oct 25 10:44:12 <hotdp> rwhitby who is mark johnson ?
Oct 25 10:45:13 <rwhitby> hotdp: some guy in france who says he has a Pre 2
Oct 25 10:45:32 <rwhitby> sent him a request for the serial, but no response yet
Oct 25 10:46:06 <hotdp> i see :)
Oct 25 10:46:20 <hotdp> thought it was someone we knew
Oct 25 10:56:34 <swisstomcat> nice
Oct 25 10:58:14 <warpdesign__> hotdp, is spotify available in germany ?
Oct 25 11:01:19 <hotdp> 1 sec
Oct 25 11:01:41 <hotdp> "no applications found"
Oct 25 11:01:46 <warpdesign__> :/
Oct 25 11:01:56 <warpdesign__> weird
Oct 25 11:02:15 <hotdp> hmm first it was Book spam, know its Soundboard spam :(
Oct 25 11:16:17 <swisstomcat> just published: http://thinmachine.ch/wordpress/?p=33
Oct 25 11:16:40 <swisstomcat> spotify is available in ES,FR,GB
Oct 25 11:17:10 <hotdp> looking good swisstomcat
Oct 25 11:27:07 <hotdp> Do someone know why Pre 2 only will be in france and usa?
Oct 25 11:29:15 <swisstomcat> ask palm :)
Oct 25 11:29:28 <hotdp> so know one knows ?
Oct 25 12:25:46 <swisstomcat> just published: http://mobile.tutsplus.com/tutorials/webos/webos-introduction_part-5/
Oct 25 12:27:49 <hotdp> swisstomcat i really like your help page on tuts
Oct 25 12:27:57 <hotdp> if i "could" i would copy paaste it :)
Oct 25 12:28:02 <swisstomcat> which one?
Oct 25 12:28:11 <hotdp> http://d339vfjsz5zott.cloudfront.net/99_webos-sdk_5/screen22.png
Oct 25 12:29:20 <swisstomcat> you can use it
Oct 25 12:29:24 <swisstomcat> just follow my tutorial
Oct 25 12:29:27 <swisstomcat> how to make it
Oct 25 12:29:49 <swisstomcat> basically, you add stuff to appinfo.json and then call pushAppSupportInfoScene()
Oct 25 12:30:05 <hotdp> I have a help schene
Oct 25 12:30:09 <hotdp> its the content
Oct 25 12:30:37 <hotdp> feed back ect.
Oct 25 12:31:05 <hotdp> i think it is the "perfect" help scene
Oct 25 12:32:51 <swisstomcat> let me see
Oct 25 12:33:58 <swisstomcat> hmm, help menu doesn't work
Oct 25 12:35:08 <hotdp> what?
Oct 25 12:35:55 <swisstomcat> in your app
Oct 25 12:40:50 <swisstomcat> hotdp: how can i see your help scene?
Oct 25 12:41:55 <hotdp> swisstomcat i might not have explained my self good
Oct 25 12:42:06 <hotdp> I think that the content of your help schene is great
Oct 25 12:42:30 <hotdp> the "Help" list and the "support" list
Oct 25 12:44:18 <swisstomcat> oh
Oct 25 12:44:28 <swisstomcat> hotdp: add one to your app too, use my tutorial :)
Oct 25 12:44:43 <hotdp> I just think that your thoughts have been good :)
Oct 25 12:44:46 <hotdp> very userfriendly
Oct 25 12:48:52 <swisstomcat> thx =
Oct 25 12:48:54 <swisstomcat> )
Oct 25 12:54:32 <hotdp> And you might see something very simular in my 3 apps ;)
Oct 25 12:54:53 <swisstomcat> very good
Oct 25 12:55:02 <swisstomcat> it also adds to add a feedback form
Oct 25 12:55:09 <swisstomcat> that way you don't get as many bad reviews
Oct 25 12:55:24 <hotdp> that might also look simmular ;)
Oct 25 12:56:37 <hotdp> fyi
Oct 25 12:56:42 <hotdp> 1-4 does not point on 5 yet
Oct 25 12:57:05 <swisstomcat> yeah
Oct 25 12:57:08 <swisstomcat> they have to change that
Oct 25 12:58:04 <hotdp> what tut do you make the form and all the stuff?
Oct 25 13:07:42 <swisstomcat> hmm?
Oct 25 13:08:29 <hotdp> did you not say that the tut showed how to make the help scene?
Oct 25 13:08:56 <swisstomcat> yeah
Oct 25 13:09:02 <swisstomcat> but not the feedback form
Oct 25 13:09:07 <hotdp> ohh oki
Oct 25 13:09:29 <hotdp> Then i go another way :)
Oct 25 13:10:50 <swisstomcat> basically, you create a form that calls a script on your server. that script send out an email
Oct 25 13:12:04 <hotdp> i see
Oct 25 13:45:30 <warpdesign__> hotdp, pre 2 isn't available in france yet
Oct 25 13:45:45 <warpdesign__> my guess is that they are working on a true next gen phone
Oct 25 13:45:59 <hotdp> it is?
Oct 25 13:46:01 <warpdesign__> before it gets released they wanted people to code apps for webos 2.0
Oct 25 13:46:07 <hotdp> rwhitby showed a twitter from france
Oct 25 13:46:18 <warpdesign__> thus this "pre 2" available in limited countries
Oct 25 13:46:26 <warpdesign__> well, my sfr store told me they hadn't it..
Oct 25 13:46:33 <hotdp> But why does o2 germany then say that they will not get it?
Oct 25 13:46:43 <warpdesign__> I can twitt I have one too ;)
Oct 25 13:47:19 <rwhitby> warpdesign__: apparently it is only available online
Oct 25 13:52:40 <bryanroth> Has anyone had issues with apps getting stuck while loading (icon glowing)?
Oct 25 13:52:57 <hotdp> yer
Oct 25 13:53:04 <hotdp> what app is it?
Oct 25 13:53:40 <[AD]Turbo> hi there
Oct 25 13:53:57 <bryanroth> shopping list. a user told me that the app is stuck loading. they have rebooted, cleared cookies and cache
Oct 25 13:54:05 <bryanroth> kind of wondering what to try next
Oct 25 13:57:49 <bryanroth> it seems to be an isolated case.
Oct 25 14:05:56 <hotdp> bryanroth :(
Oct 25 14:06:10 <hotdp> The only times i have seen it was because there where  a BIG bug in my app
Oct 25 14:07:15 <bryanroth> hotdp: yeah, I would automatically assume that but it doesn't seem to be a bug
Oct 25 14:12:11 <hotdp> yes understand now that its onnly 1 person
Oct 25 14:12:26 <bryanroth> hotdp: yeah
Oct 25 14:12:50 <bryanroth> hotdp: perhaps a corrupt db?
Oct 25 14:13:55 <hotdp> hmm have it worked before for him?
Oct 25 14:14:17 <bryanroth> hotdp: yeah
Oct 25 14:14:23 <hotdp> hmm
Oct 25 14:14:51 <hotdp> i have to leave work, sorry
Oct 25 14:15:09 <bryanroth> hotdp: np, thanks for the help
Oct 25 14:15:51 <[AD]Turbo> is it possible for European developers to purchase a Pre2?
Oct 25 14:16:16 <swisstomcat> not (yet)
Oct 25 14:16:24 <swisstomcat> so far US only .. which sucks
Oct 25 14:17:16 <[AD]Turbo> ummm, that sucks a lot
Oct 25 14:17:21 <swisstomcat> yeah
Oct 25 14:17:37 <swisstomcat> we have to make palm to make them available in europe!
Oct 25 14:17:45 <[AD]Turbo> so the pre2 won't be launched in the Europe (even for final customers) ?
Oct 25 14:19:51 <swisstomcat> i didn't say that
Oct 25 14:19:59 <swisstomcat> it's available from SFR at the moment
Oct 25 14:20:09 <swisstomcat> but the developer phones will be only available in the US for now
Oct 25 14:21:04 <[AD]Turbo> ok, I will wait for the Pre2 as a normal customer, but I will use it for development :)
Oct 25 14:24:36 <swisstomcat> you might be able to buy one in the US and bring it back here
Oct 25 14:24:48 <swisstomcat> the development pre 2 is unlocked and UMTS
Oct 25 14:33:46 <[AD]Turbo> I'm wondering if I can use ARM RVCT suite to compile apps for webos2...
Oct 25 14:34:05 <swisstomcat> i'd ask in #webos-internals
Oct 25 14:34:42 <[AD]Turbo> toomany questions, first I must put my hands on a real device :)
Oct 25 14:35:56 <swisstomcat> what kind of apps do you want to make?
Oct 25 14:36:03 <swisstomcat> and which country are you in?
Oct 25 14:36:12 <[AD]Turbo> I'm in Italy
Oct 25 14:36:25 <[AD]Turbo> and I'd like to port my OpenVG driver
Oct 25 14:36:33 <sugardave> oh wow, thanks everyone who has chipped in for my trip!  I'm up to 48%!! :D
Oct 25 14:36:51 <swisstomcat> [AD]turbo: ebay might be a good idea to get a pre or pre plus
Oct 25 14:36:52 <BMyers> wow
Oct 25 14:36:58 <swisstomcat> sugardave: you're welcome .. i chipped in $20
Oct 25 14:37:08 <sugardave> swisstomcat: thank you!
Oct 25 14:37:15 <swisstomcat> np
Oct 25 14:37:23 <swisstomcat> you helped me a lot in my n00b days :)
Oct 25 14:37:28 <sugardave> :D
Oct 25 14:37:39 <[AD]Turbo> swisstomcat, let me have a look on ebay
Oct 25 14:37:55 <swisstomcat> [AD]Turbo: i got a pixi plus from ebay for 180 euros
Oct 25 14:38:17 <[AD]Turbo> pixi is arm11+vfp, is it right?
Oct 25 14:38:18 <swisstomcat> Just published: http://mobile.tutsplus.com/tutorials/webos/webos-introduction_part-5/
Oct 25 14:38:28 <swisstomcat> i thought armv6
Oct 25 14:38:37 <swisstomcat> and the pre armv7
Oct 25 14:38:49 <sugardave> I think that's right
Oct 25 14:39:41 <[AD]Turbo> ok, google told me that pixi is arm1176jf-s
Oct 25 14:40:50 <swisstomcat> Qualcomm MSM7627
Oct 25 14:40:58 <swisstomcat> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palm_Pixi
Oct 25 14:41:26 <swisstomcat> Pre: Texas Instruments OMAP 3430
Oct 25 14:41:59 <[AD]Turbo> yeah, they all have VFP
Oct 25 14:43:30 <warpdesign__> swisstomcat, guess you could give vmware player a shot
Oct 25 14:43:31 <swisstomcat> vfp=neon?
Oct 25 14:43:37 <warpdesign__> I see no reason why it shouldn't work on linux
Oct 25 14:43:42 <swisstomcat> warpdesign: it's a virtual image?
Oct 25 14:43:46 <warpdesign__> it's an iso
Oct 25 14:43:50 <swisstomcat> oh, cool
Oct 25 14:44:05 <warpdesign__> the only thing is that it seems to require 3d acceleration inside the app
Oct 25 14:44:20 <swisstomcat> hmm
Oct 25 14:44:21 <swisstomcat> i'll try it
Oct 25 14:44:24 <warpdesign__> that said, you won't have anything to try: there's no application, not even a browser
Oct 25 14:44:31 <warpdesign__> you only end up with an empty desktop..
Oct 25 14:44:40 <swisstomcat> hrmm
Oct 25 14:44:43 <swisstomcat> what's the use of that?
Oct 25 14:44:54 <warpdesign__> test/debug your applications
Oct 25 14:45:32 <swisstomcat> i can't even register at RIM
Oct 25 14:45:34 <swisstomcat> :/
Oct 25 14:45:37 <warpdesign__> why ?
Oct 25 14:45:41 <[AD]Turbo> swisstomcat, VFP = Vector Floating Point (pixy has vfp v2, pre2 has vfp v3 + neon)
Oct 25 14:45:43 <swisstomcat> Please confirm that above information is accurate and current.
Oct 25 14:46:04 <swisstomcat> [AD]Turbo: ah, i see ... those are question better answered in #webos-internals
Oct 25 14:46:15 <[AD]Turbo> ok
Oct 25 14:58:28 * oil doesn't go to work today
Oct 25 15:02:57 * oil has a feeling sugardave is going to make it to devday
Oct 25 15:04:19 <swisstomcat> oil: nice to see that you started to use twitter :)
Oct 25 15:04:32 <oil> rwhitby told me to post it
Oct 25 15:06:01 <halfhalo> lol, oil is actually using it?
Oct 25 15:06:35 <swisstomcat> hehe
Oct 25 15:06:45 <Rick_work> morning
Oct 25 15:06:55 <swisstomcat> morning rick
Oct 25 15:06:57 <swisstomcat> LTNS
Oct 25 15:07:01 <swisstomcat> rick_work: http://thinmachine.ch/wordpress/?p=33
Oct 25 15:07:24 <swisstomcat> and http://bit.ly/9ziD86
Oct 25 15:07:28 * halfhalo is sad that he can't bring his screwdriver to devdays
Oct 25 15:07:51 <oil> you could mail it to the hotel
Oct 25 15:08:13 <halfhalo> Psh, that would cost more than the screwdriver itself
Oct 25 15:08:29 <swisstomcat> just buy one at a NYC hardware store :)
Oct 25 15:08:43 <oil> cant you put it in your checked luggage?
Oct 25 15:08:51 <halfhalo> not checking anything
Oct 25 15:09:09 <halfhalo> I will have a backpack and single carryon besides that
Oct 25 15:09:19 <oil> so you're stopping yourself from being able to bring it
Oct 25 15:09:34 <halfhalo> Its like 50 bucks for a checked bag :/
Oct 25 15:09:37 * oil feels no sympathy
Oct 25 15:09:39 <oil> lol
Oct 25 15:10:10 * halfhalo won't help oil with a potential coms board swap then
Oct 25 15:10:17 <oil> lol
Oct 25 15:10:33 <Rick_work> I'll stop at a store on the street and pick up a pocket knife.  -- also not checking anything.
Oct 25 15:11:00 * oil isn't checking anything
Oct 25 15:11:11 * oil also isn't sad about not being able to bring a screwdriver
Oct 25 15:11:32 * halfhalo loves his 5 dollar screwdriver from lowes
Oct 25 15:11:44 <halfhalo> its got like every torx head under 10
Oct 25 15:12:43 <sugardave> oil: those graphs look great :D
Oct 25 15:12:49 <BMyers> not flying anywhere
Oct 25 15:13:22 <oil> well its not total crap, so thats an improvement over what it was xD
Oct 25 15:13:31 <oil> idk about great
Oct 25 15:14:02 <sugardave> it's ininitely better than before, so great is appropriate :D
Oct 25 15:17:09 * halfhalo hates this phone in the office
Oct 25 15:17:27 <halfhalo> There are like 12 lines going to it and I can't turn off the ringer for any of them
Oct 25 15:18:32 <maik> VoIP?
Oct 25 15:18:47 <halfhalo> yeah, some cisco thing
Oct 25 15:19:19 <BMyers> i have fonality and happy customers
Oct 25 15:23:08 <maik> halfhalo: you'll have to ask IT to change the notification method on the other lines, that's how ours worked at my previous place
Oct 25 15:23:24 <halfhalo> Can't
Oct 25 15:23:31 <maik> you can't?
Oct 25 15:23:43 <halfhalo> Those lines are tied to the main office and are used, but for some reason show up on this phone
Oct 25 15:23:49 <halfhalo> and I _am_ IT
Oct 25 15:23:58 <BMyers> our phone prolly is a webserver to configure it
Oct 25 15:24:05 <BMyers> (your)
Oct 25 15:24:16 <halfhalo> and technically should not have the phone in the first place
Oct 25 15:24:20 <maik> halfhalo: yes, but apparently you don't admin the call manager
Oct 25 15:24:49 <BMyers> sniff you password and change to your liking :)
Oct 25 15:24:55 <BMyers> (your)
Oct 25 15:24:58 <BMyers> i hate that...
Oct 25 15:25:21 <maik> IIRC the password is 12345 by default
Oct 25 15:25:38 <maik> and now that i think about it, you should be able to change it on that
Oct 25 15:25:38 * halfhalo unplugs the phone
Oct 25 15:25:44 <halfhalo> problem solved!
Oct 25 15:25:48 <BMyers> bingo
Oct 25 15:25:51 <maik> hit the services button on your phone and get its config URL
Oct 25 15:26:10 <maik> go to the URL in a browser like it tells you to and you should be able to change the settings for each line
Oct 25 15:26:41 <BMyers> we're an admins worst nightmare
Oct 25 15:26:48 <maik> heh
Oct 25 15:26:56 <maik> admins usually are
Oct 25 16:14:46 <hotdp> Evning
Oct 25 16:16:12 <maik> morning
Oct 25 16:17:23 <CTLAdvance> good afternoon
Oct 25 16:24:08 <sugardave> Roy-Pre101: thank you!
Oct 25 16:24:19 <sugardave> 51% now :D
Oct 25 16:25:19 <SineOtter> I wonder when the webOS 2.0 SDK will open to everyone. There's already shipping devices with it!
Oct 25 16:25:44 <sugardave> That's the 640KB question.
Oct 25 16:26:51 <SineOtter> The other question is, if it's going to be coming to the US in the "coming months..." Will Exposition be included from the start? D:
Oct 25 16:27:20 <sugardave> is there reason to think it won't be?
Oct 25 16:29:08 <SineOtter> The fact that the current pages for 2.0 say it'll be coming as an over the air update at a later day
Oct 25 16:29:51 <sugardave> ah
Oct 25 16:29:54 <sugardave> I see
Oct 25 16:30:48 <hotdp> sugardave maybe i should start calling myself dave :P
Oct 25 16:31:07 <sugardave> heh
Oct 25 16:31:17 <SineOtter> "*Exhibition planned to be available via over-the-air software update to HP webOS 2.0, coming soon."
Oct 25 16:31:24 <sugardave> It's one less syllable to pronounce and one less letter to type ;)
Oct 25 16:31:53 <hotdp> Dave is not as Scandinavien.. have never meet one
Oct 25 16:32:08 <hotdp> Will meet my first Dave in Nyc :P
Oct 25 16:32:10 <SineOtter> Which seems odd to me, one of the easier sounding to impliment features being the last to get included, you know?
Oct 25 16:32:30 <sugardave> hotdp: it's looking that way, over halfway there now :D
Oct 25 16:32:46 <sugardave> SineOtter: yeah, not sure what is up with that
Oct 25 16:33:03 <hotdp> yer, swisstomcat tweeted that he had donatated, so did it right away :)
Oct 25 16:33:19 <hotdp> in what ? 1 day?
Oct 25 16:33:29 <sugardave> yeah, I started it yesterday afternoon
Oct 25 16:33:38 <sugardave> then I got a copycat at the dev forums :s
Oct 25 16:33:46 <sugardave> but that's okay
Oct 25 16:34:34 <halfhalo> lol
Oct 25 16:34:38 <SineOtter> Oh dear. Ortustech unveiled a 4.8 inch full 1080p display.
Oct 25 16:35:08 <hotdp> copycat?
Oct 25 16:37:23 <BMyers> me
Oct 25 16:37:39 <BMyers> just needed beer $ in the city..
Oct 25 16:37:44 <halfhalo> lol
Oct 25 16:37:48 * halfhalo is still short
Oct 25 16:38:23 <sugardave> hotdp: go look in the off-topic lounge forum, you'll see it :D
Oct 25 16:39:59 <SineOtter> "Similar to sugardave's request" ahaha.
Oct 25 16:41:03 <hotdp> OMG
Oct 25 16:41:18 <sugardave> heh
Oct 25 16:41:25 <sugardave> FIRST!
Oct 25 16:41:27 <sugardave> :D
Oct 25 16:41:31 <SineOtter> at least he's honest!
Oct 25 16:41:46 <hotdp> Its a littel "thin"
Oct 25 16:41:54 <hotdp> "i would also like to"
Oct 25 16:42:01 <hotdp> Yes but i would ALSO like to go?
Oct 25 16:42:19 <hotdp> And my girlfriend ALSO likes to go? She can shop? And need a little extra for that
Oct 25 16:42:30 <sugardave> hahaha
Oct 25 16:43:00 <hotdp> Wounded Warriors <-- ?
Oct 25 16:43:01 <sugardave> My wife asked if she could be my graphic designer when I read her that, and I told her sure, but that she'd be roundly boo-ed for sucking at her job so bad :D
Oct 25 16:43:05 <SineOtter> lol. I need a beer and food fund then, I can't go to dev days but I might as well eat and drink like I had!
Oct 25 16:43:32 <hotdp> Yes you see what i mean? The reason you have is good..
Oct 25 16:46:38 <hotdp> sugardave have you posted on pc ``?
Oct 25 16:46:41 <SineOtter> For having a graphic designer on the team that needs to go too, they... Sure used a template site from the looks of it :C
Oct 25 16:47:54 <sugardave> hotdp: I "tipped" them yesterday and they Tweeted it for me, Dieter was also very generous in donating
Oct 25 16:48:26 <hotdp> great :)
Oct 25 16:48:42 <hotdp> You will get there :P
Oct 25 16:49:02 <sugardave> I think I will
Oct 25 16:49:03 <SineOtter> bad design: considering a 404 to be a lack of internet connection, and aborting an update because of it-All while not allowing you to install the updates that did successfully download :C
Oct 25 16:49:19 <hotdp> SineOtter what site are you tlaking about?
Oct 25 16:49:37 <SineOtter> hotdp: http://www.appstuh.com/
Oct 25 16:50:24 <hotdp> :s
Oct 25 16:50:29 <hotdp> not good
Oct 25 16:50:49 <summatusmentis> anyone here syncing WebOS with a University Google Apps system?
Oct 25 16:51:01 <SineOtter> if your team has a "graphic designer" who also needs to go to dev days, at least make the effort to not, you know, use an off the shelf wordpress theme
Oct 25 16:51:08 <sugardave> summatusmentis: no, I haven't messed with Google Apps yet
Oct 25 16:51:22 <SineOtter> summatusmentis: I've tried before, but never really got it to work. No idea why, since it doesn't give much feedback on the device
Oct 25 16:51:31 <summatusmentis> SineOtter: I can't get it to work either
Oct 25 16:51:51 <SineOtter> Google Says to just use "name@university.com" for your username as a Gmail login, but that never works. :c
Oct 25 16:52:26 <halfhalo> I sync just fine with my schools google apps
Oct 25 16:52:35 <summatusmentis> my university has an SSO system that they require you use before getting into google apps
Oct 25 16:53:52 <SineOtter> halfhalo, what did you use when you set it up?
Oct 25 16:54:00 <SineOtter> did you just set it up as a Gmail account? or do something fancy
Oct 25 16:54:03 <halfhalo> just the normal gmail thing
Oct 25 16:54:15 <summatusmentis> does your Uni have a gateway login?
Oct 25 16:54:42 <halfhalo> sorta, but if its google apps then just go straight to that page
Oct 25 16:54:49 <halfhalo> Ie google.com/a/domain.com
Oct 25 16:55:31 <summatusmentis> oh, see, mine goes to google.umn.edu and has a link there for getting to gmail and things
Oct 25 16:55:38 <summatusmentis> oh! there it goes
Oct 25 16:55:41 <summatusmentis> \o/
Oct 25 16:55:43 <SineOtter> odd!
Oct 25 16:55:52 <sugardave> success!
Oct 25 16:55:55 <SineOtter> summatusmentis, halfhalo: what schools are yours part of?
Oct 25 16:55:57 <sugardave> ship it!
Oct 25 16:56:03 * SineOtter was trying with a CSU one
Oct 25 16:56:08 <halfhalo> CSUN
Oct 25 16:56:19 <SineOtter> Northridge, yeah?
Oct 25 16:56:23 <halfhalo> yup
Oct 25 16:56:49 <SineOtter> hm, I'll have to stab it again and see if I can get it going
Oct 25 16:57:28 <SineOtter> not looking forward to transfering into the CSU system and having my semester tution costs go from ~350 to ~2800 or whatever it's at now :'3
Oct 25 16:57:40 <halfhalo> lol
Oct 25 16:57:45 <halfhalo> where are you transfering from?
Oct 25 16:57:59 <SineOtter> the sad thing? Fullerton College, one of the state JCs
Oct 25 16:58:08 <SineOtter> but like 3/4 of the faculty teach at CSUF too
Oct 25 16:58:13 <SineOtter> and teach the same materials :B
Oct 25 16:59:24 <Roy-Pre101> sugardave: Welcome!
Oct 25 17:18:11 <SineOtter> I love dialog warnings that have stuff like "This will deletes all informations! Are you really sure?!" Makes me smile :'3
Oct 25 17:24:05 <Rick_work> I like dialogs like "Unknown error"
Oct 25 17:30:41 <SineOtter> http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lafugcPdPA1qzqhmeo1_400.png Oh man :c
Oct 25 17:31:32 <SineOtter> Adobe is a terrible company because, to get out of coding for TWO sets of native widgets (OSX and Windows) they just go and write their own controls that end up looking nothing like the system they're installed on
Oct 25 17:39:33 <halfhalo> Psh, adobe
Oct 25 17:42:39 <summatusmentis> SineOtter: java did the same thing-ish
Oct 25 17:43:21 <SineOtter> yeah, but Java at least manages to be -passable- in trying to look like the system it's installed on, as well as from the very start being designed to run on pretty much anything
Oct 25 17:43:29 <SineOtter> from phones to desktops, etc
Oct 25 17:44:00 <SineOtter> Adobe just has two targets, OSX, and Windows, not phones and weird Linux distros and Solaris and whatever else Java runs on
Oct 25 17:44:28 <CTLAdvance> I disagree
Oct 25 17:44:35 <CTLAdvance> Adobe wants to be in the phone space
Oct 25 17:44:43 <summatusmentis> Adobe's flash/air stuff runs on linux
Oct 25 17:45:08 <SineOtter> except Photoshop/Creative Suite stuff doesn't run on Linux
Oct 25 17:45:21 <SineOtter> and keep in mind that CS4/CS5 used Air/Flash to draw the UIs
Oct 25 17:45:32 <SineOtter> and that this is... Something else that isn't Air/Flash
Oct 25 17:46:30 <SineOtter> it's apparently running a custom micro VM and a vector drawing UI (why they cooked that up isntead of sticking with Air/Flash for drawing their own broken UIs who knows!)
Oct 25 17:47:48 <SineOtter> They've moved from Native, to Flash, to... Kind of flash but not flash. Each step makes less and less sense
Oct 25 17:48:47 <summatusmentis> ok, that's fair
Oct 25 17:49:42 <halfhalo> It's adobe,what do you expect?
Oct 25 17:49:58 <CTLAdvance> you should not be understanding adobe, but using their products
Oct 25 17:50:02 <CTLAdvance> :)
Oct 25 17:50:04 <SineOtter> It just doesn't make sense to me from a buisness move to go from having everything already coded in a native UI, to replacing it all with Flash widgets that try to emulate the native UI, and then to replace it with some vector drawing UI that isn't Flash and makes no attempt to emulate the native UI, it's like ?_?
Oct 25 17:50:28 <CTLAdvance> Somewheres behind it there is a very logical reason you can't see
Oct 25 17:51:19 <SineOtter> The Flash move could have made sense if you saw it as a way for Adobe to think about shipping an Android verison of their Creative Suite apps, since you can run AIR on android and I assume, soon, webOS
Oct 25 17:51:31 <SineOtter> but then they replaced it with something else so that kind of flies out the window
Oct 25 17:52:25 <halfhalo> Once again, it's adobe, what do you expect?
Oct 25 17:53:20 <SineOtter> I expect terrible products, lol, and they never disappoint there
Oct 25 18:00:32 <sugardave> lemketron: Thank you! :D
Oct 25 18:01:21 <halfhalo> your getting MORE money?!?
Oct 25 18:01:33 <sugardave> 57%
Oct 25 18:01:39 <sugardave> almost there :D
Oct 25 18:01:45 * halfhalo wants money to go
Oct 25 18:02:05 <sugardave> I thought you were already going?
Oct 25 18:02:05 * CTLAdvance only needs 80 to get there
Oct 25 18:02:18 <halfhalo> I'm 100 short of going
Oct 25 18:03:19 <hotdp> why does all people need money :S
Oct 25 18:03:28 <hotdp> cant they make a budget or something?
Oct 25 18:03:31 <halfhalo> Because... I'm a poor college student?
Oct 25 18:03:47 <hotdp> and you need 100?
Oct 25 18:04:19 * CTLAdvance was just joining in the asking, ctladvance has money
Oct 25 18:06:37 <hotdp> http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/25/the-engadget-show-014-aaron-woodman-windows-phone-7-google/#viddler_8ce986a9 <-- good to see him talk
Oct 25 18:06:40 <hotdp> "serius fast"
Oct 25 18:07:46 <sugardave> I have a budget, just rarely the revenue to actually meet it :D
Oct 25 18:08:06 <halfhalo> I have a budget... most of which is dedicated to food
Oct 25 18:08:08 <hotdp> sugardave your fine ;)
Oct 25 18:08:26 <halfhalo> and/or extremely expensive parking permits
Oct 25 18:11:23 <hotdp> lol he does not like the screen
Oct 25 18:12:26 <SineOtter> halfhalo: what's the permit up to now? like 280$ isn't it?
Oct 25 18:12:52 <halfhalo> summer classes its 125 but its 350 for both fall/spring
Oct 25 18:13:03 <SineOtter> gross
Oct 25 18:13:13 <halfhalo> yup
Oct 25 18:15:12 <Rick_work> wow.
Oct 25 18:15:35 <Rick_work> three dollars a day for campus parking!!
Oct 25 18:15:39 <halfhalo> at least they take visa now, last year they didn't
Oct 25 18:15:43 <halfhalo> yup
Oct 25 18:15:54 <halfhalo> reduced parking at that, two parking lots are closed
Oct 25 18:16:07 <Rick_work> why?
Oct 25 18:16:47 <SineOtter> yeah, that's how it is at CSUF right now. I think 3 lots are closed for construction work
Oct 25 18:17:02 <SineOtter> so you pay more for the permit and then have to fight for fewer spots
Oct 25 18:17:11 <halfhalo> They are putting a new gym type structure on one, and the other is closed due to construction for another building
Oct 25 18:19:23 <Rick_work> at KU park and ride is $90/yr, university housing is $190/yr and the covered parking garages (with waiting list) are $230 a year.  Yours is a ripoff
Oct 25 18:19:36 <halfhalo> yup
Oct 25 18:20:17 <Rick_work> note that the $90 for park and ride INCLUDES the annual bus pass.
Oct 25 18:20:41 <SineOtter> welcome to california's broken funding system that time after time loves to make cuts to education
Oct 25 18:20:46 <halfhalo> Yup!
Oct 25 18:20:59 <halfhalo> On the other hand, I just got a raise as a student assistant :p
Oct 25 18:21:23 <Rick_work> which leads to the question, why live in the people's republic of california?
Oct 25 18:21:45 <halfhalo> chicks/cars/weather
Oct 25 18:22:10 <Rick_work> we got chicks,  we got cars, and we got LOTS more weather than you.  :-)
Oct 25 18:22:32 <SineOtter> there's nothing quite as nice as being like 20 minutes from ANYTHING you'd ever want :p
Oct 25 18:23:03 <SineOtter> I talk with this friend of mine, lives in Illinois, and when he buys models, it takes anywhere from 9-10 days to get there, and the nearest hobby shop that carries them is about a 5 hour drive
Oct 25 18:23:16 <SineOtter> I can go 15 minutes down the street and buy the same thing in person :I
Oct 25 18:23:24 <halfhalo> heh, at E3 I had some people from ohio and the like in my car, and they were crapping themselves due to the cars on the street
Oct 25 18:23:36 <halfhalo> and they wern't all that nice cars either
Oct 25 18:23:54 <Rick_work> huh.
Oct 25 18:23:56 <swisstomcat> rehi
Oct 25 18:24:10 <SineOtter> (that and the ocean is maybe 45 minutes from here)
Oct 25 18:24:25 <Rick_work> SineOtter what sorts of models?
Oct 25 18:24:38 <SineOtter> imported gundam stuff, I think
Oct 25 18:25:01 <Rick_work> ahhh.  I would have to drive an hour and a quarter.
Oct 25 18:26:40 <Rick_work> As to cars on the street.  I guess it's a function of what you're interested in.  Car culture here runs more to competition.  Dirt track, paved oval, demolition derby, tractor pulling, monster trucks....
Oct 25 18:27:25 <SineOtter> That's riverside. ;P
Oct 25 18:27:32 <SineOtter> Home of the ever popular BROTRUCK
Oct 25 18:28:03 <Rick_work> There's an NHRA national circuit dragster track in town, the Sports car club of america headquarters and track, and a nascar track 40 miles east.  And any number of dirt and demo tracks.
Oct 25 18:28:32 <Rick_work> Street cars tho, not so much.
Oct 25 18:28:45 <halfhalo> Yeah, its mostly street cars here
Oct 25 18:29:02 <Rick_work> culture.
Oct 25 18:29:07 <SineOtter> There isn't much off road in the area to even think about off roading in anyways
Oct 25 18:29:08 <halfhalo> yup
Oct 25 18:30:29 <Rick_work> I suspect that during the broadcast of national network prime time shows, you don't get inserted local advertising for BT Corn Hybrids, or Soybean Pre-emergant herbacides, or rust-resistant wheat varieties...
Oct 25 18:30:40 <halfhalo> Nope
Oct 25 18:30:57 <summatusmentis> has anyone created a peer-to-peer system in webos?
Oct 25 18:31:01 <halfhalo> But then again, I rarely watch commercials nowadays
Oct 25 18:31:11 <SineOtter> we get ads for garage doors and crappy home businesses, or... ads for making an ad
Oct 25 18:31:15 <halfhalo> summatusmentis: niet
Oct 25 18:31:24 <SineOtter> they're always timed wrong too, which drives me nuts
Oct 25 18:32:39 <halfhalo> i hate those damn whitman ads
Oct 25 18:32:51 <halfhalo> I really, really do
Oct 25 18:33:49 <Rick_work> I remember when I was younger seeing one of those "culturally sensitive intelligence tests" tweaked for the midwest.  "Which of the following is not a variety of wheat?" or "How many acres can a quarter mile center pivot irrigate?"
Oct 25 18:35:00 <Roy-Pre101> hah
Oct 25 18:35:19 <Rick_work> ha?
Oct 25 18:35:26 <Roy-Pre101> hah
Oct 25 18:35:37 <Roy-Pre101> How goes, Rick?
Oct 25 18:36:50 <Rick_work> I have a problem.
Oct 25 18:37:08 <Rick_work> I need to re-format a php driven web site to fit on a Pre/Iphone/android screen.
Oct 25 18:37:17 * sugardave would totally fail those questions.
Oct 25 18:37:17 <halfhalo> hehehe...
Oct 25 18:37:25 <halfhalo> php...
Oct 25 18:38:13 <Rick_work> it's not the php that's the problem.  I can write php, it's the fitting the transactional form into the qvga screen.
Oct 25 18:38:50 <swisstomcat> what's the problem?
Oct 25 18:38:54 <BMyers> magnifying glass?
Oct 25 18:39:15 <Rick_work> http://www.vocshop.com/4data/4data.php
Oct 25 18:39:20 <swisstomcat> rick_work: how structured is the output from that website?
Oct 25 18:39:51 <Rick_work> use sup18 and 12345678 as usename and password
Oct 25 18:41:31 <swisstomcat> aha! i see the solution by looking at the code
Oct 25 18:41:39 <Rick_work> BMyers  ha ha ha
Oct 25 18:42:47 <swisstomcat> rick_work: the output of that website is built dynamically by javascript .. by getting data from a php script (...$.getJSON("getdata.php ....)
Oct 25 18:43:02 <Rick_work> yep
Oct 25 18:43:09 <swisstomcat> do you could call that from your webOS app
Oct 25 18:43:22 <swisstomcat> the output is even json ... very nice
Oct 25 18:43:27 <Rick_work> no swisstomcat  I have to get the web site to work on iphones and androids.
Oct 25 18:43:37 <swisstomcat> same thing
Oct 25 18:43:47 <Rick_work> fine.
Oct 25 18:43:47 <swisstomcat> phonegap and jquery mobile or something similar
Oct 25 18:43:57 <Rick_work> No, you're not understanding my issue.
Oct 25 18:44:04 <swisstomcat> hmm
Oct 25 18:44:06 <Rick_work> I don't want the website to become an application
Oct 25 18:44:12 <swisstomcat> oh
Oct 25 18:44:20 <swisstomcat> you don't want or you can't?
Oct 25 18:44:21 <Rick_work> I need the website formatted to be easy to use on qvga screens.
Oct 25 18:44:26 <sugardave> that viewport meta thing?
Oct 25 18:44:32 <halfhalo> try setting max-width?
Oct 25 18:44:45 <halfhalo> Ie max-width:100%
Oct 25 18:44:49 <Rick_work> the app will continue to be RUN on the web server feeding the mysql database behind it.
Oct 25 18:44:51 <swisstomcat> viewport meta could be a start ... or serve a different css when you detect a mobile browser
Oct 25 18:45:05 <swisstomcat> e.g css media queries
Oct 25 18:45:19 <swisstomcat> when the width of the screen is below say 480 pixels
Oct 25 18:45:23 <Rick_work> halfhalo  that doesn't help, We need to do things like re-organize the table into two rows per entry or something to make the entries READABLE on the small screen.
Oct 25 18:45:39 <Rick_work> Yes swisstomcat  it's simple enough to switch css files based on sniffing.
Oct 25 18:45:57 <Rick_work> It's the WRITING the css files that I need someone to do.  This is beyond my abilities as a designer.
Oct 25 18:46:04 <swisstomcat> oh
Oct 25 18:46:06 <Rick_work> I can program, but layout drives me nuts.
Oct 25 18:46:11 <swisstomcat> you need someone to do the dirty work :)
Oct 25 18:46:36 <Rick_work> I'm an engineer damn it Jim, not an artist....  :-)
Oct 25 18:46:45 <swisstomcat> and an "app" (web app) is out of the question?
Oct 25 18:46:54 <Rick_work> yes, an app is out of the question.
Oct 25 18:47:09 <swisstomcat> you need the same frontend that you have now?
Oct 25 18:47:15 <Rick_work> no.
Oct 25 18:47:26 <halfhalo> its forcing a width of 940px...
Oct 25 18:47:27 <Rick_work> but it needs to be functionally identical.  Do the same exact things.
Oct 25 18:47:36 <swisstomcat> right
Oct 25 18:47:44 <Rick_work> I can change the php to do anything you want.  It's the layout that's the issue.
Oct 25 18:47:55 <swisstomcat> so you could serve a mobile version of the same?
Oct 25 18:48:00 <Rick_work> nodnodnod
Oct 25 18:48:04 <swisstomcat> k
Oct 25 18:48:13 <swisstomcat> who's a designer here?
Oct 25 18:48:18 * swisstomcat looks around
Oct 25 18:48:24 <halfhalo> THERE we go, NOW its shrinking properlly for smaller displays
Oct 25 18:48:25 <Rick_work> I can even have two url's -- one for mobile, one for desktop.
Oct 25 18:48:31 <swisstomcat> right
Oct 25 18:48:49 <Rick_work> halfhalo  you any good at this sort of thing?
Oct 25 18:49:08 * mfisch also hates GUI layout
Oct 25 18:49:21 <mfisch> once the command-line runs, I'm done! ;)
Oct 25 18:49:29 <Rick_work> See???  Another room full of engineers.
Oct 25 18:49:38 * sugardave whistles innocently.
Oct 25 18:49:44 <mfisch> even curses pissed me off
Oct 25 18:49:46 <halfhalo> I can't make my own styles worth crap, but modifying existing ones is easy peasy
Oct 25 18:50:06 <Rick_work> ok, let me put this another way.  I have money.
Oct 25 18:50:12 <sugardave> I like money.
Oct 25 18:50:15 <oil> lol
Oct 25 18:50:23 <halfhalo> so do I, esp when it can be used for devdays!
Oct 25 18:50:30 <mfisch> Rick_work: if it's CSS layout you can find a ton of folks to do that on craigslist
Oct 25 18:50:40 <mfisch> individuals or companies
Oct 25 18:50:46 * sugardave nominates halfhalo.
Oct 25 18:51:02 <Rick_work> mfisch it's going to be a combo.  I'm going to have to work with someone, and it'll be easier if the someone isn't a total stranger.
Oct 25 18:51:16 <Rick_work> halfhalo  you got a few hours to earn your devday $ ???
Oct 25 18:51:26 <halfhalo> I will after my class's
Oct 25 18:51:32 <halfhalo> and max-width ftw
Oct 25 18:51:49 <Rick_work> max-width isn't going to be enough sir.  I guarantee it.
Oct 25 18:51:59 <Rick_work> what time do your classes finish?
Oct 25 18:52:16 <halfhalo> in an hourish
Oct 25 19:11:30 <LoneStar99> morning everyone
Oct 25 19:12:55 <swisstomcat> evening lonestar
Oct 25 19:15:55 <LoneStar99> howdy swisstomcat
Oct 25 19:16:18 <LoneStar99> getting back into the groove, have been away for like 3 weeks
Oct 25 19:16:35 <swisstomcat> what were you up to?
Oct 25 19:16:53 <LoneStar99> in san diego, looking for a place, "partying"
Oct 25 19:17:09 <LoneStar99> left san diego for a few months to get work done
Oct 25 19:17:18 <LoneStar99> in mexico now
Oct 25 19:17:59 <LoneStar99> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manzanillo,_Colima
Oct 25 19:18:16 <LoneStar99> the palm pre 2 looks pimp
Oct 25 19:20:06 <LoneStar99> are we allowed to talk about SDK 2.0 yet?
Oct 25 19:20:25 <swisstomcat> don't think so
Oct 25 19:21:11 <torchie> pre 2 needs gyroscope
Oct 25 19:22:21 <CTLAdvance> I dont think it has one
Oct 25 19:22:25 <CTLAdvance> does it
Oct 25 19:23:01 <LoneStar99> ok
Oct 25 19:24:52 <Rick_work> how about a compass?
Oct 25 19:24:52 <BMyers> bottle opener pre 2 would be nice too
Oct 25 19:25:03 <BMyers> and a toothpick
Oct 25 19:25:23 <BMyers> like those red pocket knives
Oct 25 19:25:25 <Rick_work> fingernail file...
Oct 25 19:25:29 <Rick_work> scissors....
Oct 25 19:25:56 <BMyers> oh hey, and a magnifying glass huh Rick. for you app
Oct 25 19:26:30 <BMyers> r ^
Oct 25 19:34:48 <torchie> yeah
Oct 25 19:34:56 <torchie> pre 2 needs a gyroscope, compass, and front facing camera
Oct 25 19:35:01 <torchie> screw the wifis and the geebees
Oct 25 19:35:21 <summatusmentis> I care about geebees
Oct 25 19:35:25 <summatusmentis> I want storage
Oct 25 19:35:48 <swisstomcat> pre 3 will have all that
Oct 25 19:35:55 <torchie> ok yeah
Oct 25 19:36:00 <torchie> I'll need enough space for my musics
Oct 25 19:36:07 <swisstomcat> 128gb flash
Oct 25 19:36:10 <torchie> and enough battery life to play them and not die halfway through the days
Oct 25 19:36:17 <swisstomcat> 2600mah battery
Oct 25 19:36:23 <torchie> 5000mah battery
Oct 25 19:36:30 <torchie> man if they advertised 128gb internal everybody's head'd spin
Oct 25 19:36:35 <swisstomcat> nuclear power source
Oct 25 19:36:50 <torchie> solar panel built into the face of the phone
Oct 25 19:36:55 <torchie> seriously why isn't everybody doing that
Oct 25 19:37:43 <LoneStar99> ok lunch time, chat laters
Oct 25 19:38:11 <summatusmentis> I think my pre battery is crapping out, I jumps from ~35% to 0 almost instantaneouslly
Oct 25 19:38:36 <CTLAdvance> do you have patches, or is it overclocked
Oct 25 19:38:41 <CTLAdvance> do you multitask
Oct 25 19:38:46 <summatusmentis> all of the above
Oct 25 19:38:49 <CTLAdvance> do you have the screen turned on
Oct 25 19:38:54 <summatusmentis> not all the time
Oct 25 19:38:59 <CTLAdvance> how bright is it
Oct 25 19:39:03 <CTLAdvance> thats your problem
Oct 25 19:39:21 <hotdp_> i bought a new battery, 10$ i think
Oct 25 19:39:26 <summatusmentis> it's not bright, I think it's set at 15 or something
Oct 25 19:39:29 <summatusmentis> hotdp_: where?
Oct 25 19:39:40 <CTLAdvance> yeah you can get them on the bay for cheap
Oct 25 19:39:52 <torchie> how many mahs
Oct 25 19:39:56 <torchie> mothers*
Oct 25 19:40:15 <hotdp_> summatusmentis ebay
Oct 25 19:40:26 <CTLAdvance> well if you use apps that eat data, even simple requests and not over wifi, that is also a big issue
Oct 25 19:40:34 <summatusmentis> I need to find my centro battery and just use that
Oct 25 19:40:35 <CTLAdvance> cell takes a ton of juice from the device
Oct 25 19:40:44 <torchie> and screen
Oct 25 19:40:48 <summatusmentis> CTLAdvance: yeh, my twitter app I assume is the issue
Oct 25 19:40:52 <summatusmentis> also possibly gmail
Oct 25 19:41:01 <summatusmentis> also most certainly the amount of music I listen to
Oct 25 19:41:20 <CTLAdvance> music is fine unless it is coming over the network
Oct 25 19:41:36 <summatusmentis> it's not
Oct 25 19:41:41 <CTLAdvance> ok
Oct 25 19:42:01 <CTLAdvance> most likely how you have your apps config to use data (read: update)
Oct 25 19:42:03 <torchie> blackberryplaybooksimulator.iso
Oct 25 19:42:09 <CTLAdvance> and the fact that the battery is only 1150mah
Oct 25 19:42:13 <summatusmentis> I bought the pre used on ebay, so I assume the battery is crappy-ish
Oct 25 19:42:22 <summatusmentis> CTLAdvance: GMail push
Oct 25 19:42:23 <hotdp_> http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/25/the-engadget-show-014-aaron-woodman-windows-phone-7-google/#viddler_8ce986a9 also dont like the battery
Oct 25 19:42:30 <summatusmentis> and twitter polls every... 15 minutes
Oct 25 19:42:33 <hotdp_> push = battery!
Oct 25 19:42:40 <torchie> yeah what's with the battery capacity seriously
Oct 25 19:42:44 <torchie> treo pro had 1500mah and used less power
Oct 25 19:42:56 <CTLAdvance> treo pro would get me 3 days on one charge
Oct 25 19:42:58 <CTLAdvance> that was sweet
Oct 25 19:43:01 <CTLAdvance> and it had flash
Oct 25 19:43:07 <torchie> it was crappy flash
Oct 25 19:43:10 <summatusmentis> does the treo pro have a compatible battery?
Oct 25 19:43:12 <CTLAdvance> yes but it worked
Oct 25 19:43:13 <torchie> treo pro also didn't break every month
Oct 25 19:43:16 <CTLAdvance> no
Oct 25 19:43:22 <CTLAdvance> lol
Oct 25 19:43:23 <CTLAdvance> yeah
Oct 25 19:43:24 <torchie> depending on your definition of "worked"
Oct 25 19:43:29 <torchie> windows mobile didn't "work"
Oct 25 19:43:33 <CTLAdvance> you could play farmville on it
Oct 25 19:43:38 <torchie> oh damn
Oct 25 19:43:45 <CTLAdvance> yeah my wife used to
Oct 25 19:43:54 <torchie> I remember when I first got mine I tried to watch homestarrunner
Oct 25 19:43:59 <CTLAdvance> it was cumbersome but she did it when she wanted to kill time between meetings
Oct 25 19:44:02 <torchie> insufficient memory!
Oct 25 19:44:06 <CTLAdvance> yeah vid was garbage
Oct 25 19:44:15 <CTLAdvance> would keep buffering
Oct 25 19:44:20 <summatusmentis> the centro batteries are compatible (unofficially) right?
Oct 25 19:44:21 <torchie> the problem was you had to use IE mobile for it
Oct 25 19:44:21 <CTLAdvance> but in general was really good
Oct 25 19:44:37 <CTLAdvance> actually the browser on the treo pro aside from not supporting html 5 was really good
Oct 25 19:44:44 <torchie> eeeeeehhhh
Oct 25 19:44:56 <torchie> if by "the browser" you mean downloading opera mobile 10
Oct 25 19:44:58 <CTLAdvance> IE Mobile was fine unless you needed html5 sites
Oct 25 19:45:06 <CTLAdvance> no
Oct 25 19:45:11 <CTLAdvance> I mean IE
Oct 25 19:45:15 <CTLAdvance> I had opera though
Oct 25 19:45:21 <CTLAdvance> needed that in some cases
Oct 25 19:46:31 <torchie> scrolling speed and text fields were unwieldly on ie mobile
Oct 25 19:46:56 <torchie> treo pro's plastic and silicon was beast though
Oct 25 19:47:12 <torchie> got thrown into a pool with it still in my pocket, after a year of beating the thing up
Oct 25 19:47:19 <torchie> worked the next day
Oct 25 19:47:19 <fear\mirc2> i'm on 1.4.5 on a dev at&t pre. i don't see angry birds in the catalog. is that normal?
Oct 25 19:48:16 <swisstomcat> how did you activate your dev at&t pre? and where?
Oct 25 19:48:32 <torchie> I hope I did this right
Oct 25 19:48:40 <torchie> just mounted the blackberry iso in virtualbox
Oct 25 19:48:49 <fear\mirc2> i added my account info but it's not activated. there is no at&t service
Oct 25 19:49:15 <swisstomcat> torchie: i read that virtualbox won't work
Oct 25 19:49:22 <torchie> what else is there
Oct 25 19:49:23 <swisstomcat> torchie: i'm trying vmware player
Oct 25 19:49:26 <torchie> oh
Oct 25 19:49:30 <torchie> do I haaaaaave to :(
Oct 25 19:49:34 <torchie> why would it just
Oct 25 19:49:38 <torchie> not work in virtualbox
Oct 25 19:49:44 <torchie> Starting Platform...........................
Oct 25 19:49:59 <swisstomcat> fear\mirc2: paid apps won't work then .. you need to use meta-doctor .. what country are you in?
Oct 25 19:52:41 <torchie> just saw an nvram_vmware
Oct 25 19:53:01 <torchie> so it's just straight up designed for vmware? :d
Oct 25 19:54:25 <torchie> argh no dice
Oct 25 19:54:31 <summatusmentis> that's really common
Oct 25 19:54:35 <torchie> now I have to go download more junk
Oct 25 19:55:45 <swisstomcat> hrmm
Oct 25 19:55:50 <summatusmentis> if you weren't so contrarian and just bought the standad, it wouldn't be an issue
Oct 25 19:55:55 <swisstomcat> /dev/hd0 not mounted, exiting
Oct 25 19:56:16 <torchie> hey hey hey!
Oct 25 19:56:21 <torchie> I'd buy the standard
Oct 25 19:56:24 <torchie> but I will NOT
Oct 25 19:56:28 <torchie> stop being contrarian
Oct 25 19:56:36 <torchie> adobe air, my word
Oct 25 20:00:24 <swisstomcat> hmm, had to add an IDE disk
Oct 25 20:00:56 <swisstomcat> installation works now
Oct 25 20:01:55 <swisstomcat> note: this image is EXTREMELY CONFIDENTIAL
Oct 25 20:02:03 <torchie> really now
Oct 25 20:02:07 <torchie> extremely confidential
Oct 25 20:02:15 <halfhalo> EXTREMELY
Oct 25 20:02:58 <swisstomcat> seems to work now
Oct 25 20:03:17 <torchie> so do you get the blackberry tablet experience
Oct 25 20:03:26 <swisstomcat> there's not much to see
Oct 25 20:03:45 <torchie> now when you say "not to much to see"
Oct 25 20:03:46 <torchie> is there like
Oct 25 20:03:48 <torchie> anything at all
Oct 25 20:04:42 <hotdp_> L$("Good night");
Oct 25 20:09:52 <swisstomcat> no apps, no nothing
Oct 25 20:09:55 <swisstomcat> and empty launcher
Oct 25 20:12:30 <torchie> so you can see the UI outside of apps then right
Oct 25 20:12:43 <torchie> erm outside of the app you made and are simulating
Oct 25 20:13:11 <swisstomcat> yeah, but it's just the launcher
Oct 25 20:13:19 <torchie> how does it feel
Oct 25 20:13:36 <fear\mirc2> swisstomcat: paid apps won't work why? i see paid apps int he listing now. I'm in the US
Oct 25 20:13:58 <swisstomcat> but you can't buy them?
Oct 25 20:14:00 <fear\mirc2> swisstomcat: my full nick is fearphage. i think you helped me to get my pre activated in a way that i could access the catalog already
Oct 25 20:14:10 <swisstomcat> oh! welcome
Oct 25 20:14:10 <fear\mirc2> i haven't tried to buy them
Oct 25 20:14:22 <swisstomcat> torchie: not much to see so i can't say
Oct 25 20:14:24 <fear\mirc2> i just don't see angry birds even when i search for it
Oct 25 20:14:28 <swisstomcat> hmm
Oct 25 20:14:35 <swisstomcat> oh
Oct 25 20:14:44 <swisstomcat> do you have webOS 1.4.5?
Oct 25 20:14:48 <fear\mirc2> i see many apps with prices listed next to them though... just not that one
Oct 25 20:14:57 <swisstomcat> right
Oct 25 20:15:12 <fear\mirc2> 1.4.5. yes
Oct 25 20:15:16 <swisstomcat> hmm
Oct 25 20:15:22 <swisstomcat> then it should work :/
Oct 25 20:16:35 <solix> what's the default cpu core voltage for 1ghz? I don't see a reset to default opt. in the new govnah (& reinstalling it keeps prev settings) thanks!
Oct 25 20:16:37 <fear\mirc2> when i search for Angry, i get 10 apps. can you tell me how many you get?
Oct 25 20:16:49 <swisstomcat> hold on
Oct 25 20:17:11 <swisstomcat> you should at last see angry birds lite?
Oct 25 20:17:46 <swisstomcat> i get 13 results
Oct 25 20:18:00 <swisstomcat> number one and two are angry birds and angry birds lite
Oct 25 20:18:24 <fear\mirc2> yea, just 10 here... interesting
Oct 25 20:18:28 <swisstomcat> hmm
Oct 25 20:20:04 <fear\mirc2> well if it's not something known or common, i won't worry about it too much now. just wanted to compare it to the android version
Oct 25 20:20:32 <swisstomcat> can you see other games?
Oct 25 20:20:43 <swisstomcat> buka?
Oct 25 20:32:15 <fear\mirc2> no, Buka returns 0 results
Oct 25 20:33:34 <fear\mirc2> swisstomcat: i just navigated to the games category and there are lots visible (free and paid)
Oct 25 20:33:49 <dawm|laptop> wow dave, you're almost there
Oct 25 20:36:38 <sugardave> woo, 77%
Oct 25 20:36:44 <sugardave> yeah :D
Oct 25 20:37:22 <sugardave> I went to one of my clients and said I would remove his contribution amount from any future bid I make on any of his projects
Oct 25 20:39:58 <swisstomcat> wow
Oct 25 20:40:15 <swisstomcat> fear\mirc2: seems to have something to do with games that want/need 1.4.5
Oct 25 20:41:22 <Nyceane> meta, are you here?
Oct 25 20:41:34 <Nyceane> swiss, were you in pdk app contest?
Oct 25 20:42:12 <swisstomcat> nope
Oct 25 20:42:27 <Nyceane> should i take a laptop or 1000 hp store credit?
Oct 25 20:42:38 <swisstomcat> take the laptop and give it to me
Oct 25 20:42:40 <torchie> can 1000 hp store credit buy you an envy
Oct 25 20:42:51 <oil> that would be the question
Oct 25 20:42:55 <Nyceane> I use macs -_-
Oct 25 20:43:08 <torchie> yeah that's the problem
Oct 25 20:43:12 <Nyceane> I do want a printer
Oct 25 20:43:13 <torchie> envy's pretty badass and stuff
Oct 25 20:43:15 <torchie> but not a mac
Oct 25 20:43:16 <Nyceane> lol -_-
Oct 25 20:43:21 <torchie> same deal with the thinkpad
Oct 25 20:44:07 <dawm|laptop> take the laptop and then sell it and buy apple stuff?
Oct 25 20:44:27 <Nyceane> well, if i take 1000, i can get a printer, and two 27 inch monitors
Oct 25 20:44:34 <Nyceane> and i'd still have some money left lol
Oct 25 20:44:39 <dawm|laptop> hp monitors are nice
Oct 25 20:44:41 * oil voes that plan
Oct 25 20:44:44 <oil> votes*
Oct 25 20:44:55 <dawm|laptop> ive got a 21" and i wish i had another, its far superior to my dell one
Oct 25 20:44:58 <Nyceane> hp does have the best printers -_-
Oct 25 20:45:30 <Nyceane> I can even get a TV too
Oct 25 20:45:52 <dawm|laptop> all my pc's are dells (cept for an old ibm thinkpad), but i also have 2 macbooks in front of me :P my macbook air and a friends macbook that im wiping
Oct 25 20:46:44 <sugardave> dawm|laptop: thanks for getting the ChipIn snowball rolling :)
Oct 25 20:46:50 <swisstomcat> goodnight everyone
Oct 25 20:46:52 <dawm|laptop> dave i see PreCentral tip'd on twitter
Oct 25 20:46:54 <sugardave> night swisstomcat
Oct 25 20:47:03 <dawm|laptop> dave, no problem, i would have sooner but my phone doesnt do flash ;p
Oct 25 20:47:03 <swisstomcat> sugardave: bring me back a pre 2 in return :)
Oct 25 20:47:15 <sugardave> dawm|laptop: yeah, they did and I went from 10% to almost 50% in no time
Oct 25 20:47:24 <dawm|laptop> id say grab me a palm/hp sticker but ill be able to make my own soon
Oct 25 20:47:40 <sugardave> haha
Oct 25 20:47:50 <Nyceane> I m taking the laptop, might sell it to buy those things heh
Oct 25 20:47:51 <sugardave> swisstomcat: if you're lucky :D
Oct 25 20:48:05 <dawm|laptop> i have an idea for a decal for the pre and pixi (ill have to double check on the pixi tho)
Oct 25 20:48:19 <dawm|laptop> i dislike the chrome palm logo :P
Oct 25 20:48:23 <dawm|laptop> i'd rather it be orange
Oct 25 20:48:28 <sugardave> dawm|laptop: oh like peel-n-stick vinyls for the backs and stuff?
Oct 25 20:48:36 <dawm|laptop> nah an overlay for the palm logo
Oct 25 20:48:48 <sugardave> ah, okay
Oct 25 20:48:51 <dawm|laptop> if my cutter can do that small that is
Oct 25 20:49:24 <sugardave> so you're not talking about scissors, but like a cutting machine you pass a graphic to and it makes it?
Oct 25 20:49:30 <dawm|laptop> yeah
Oct 25 20:49:30 <sugardave> that's pretty bad-ass
Oct 25 20:49:47 <dawm|laptop> basically a cnc knife
Oct 25 20:50:26 <sugardave> cnc = command and conquer to me :D
Oct 25 20:50:29 <dawm|laptop> i wish webos had a mascot, then i could make it piss on a droid
Oct 25 20:50:35 <sugardave> haha
Oct 25 20:50:51 * oil hopes sugardave makes it to devday
Oct 25 20:50:54 <sugardave> Hpee
Oct 25 20:51:11 <sugardave> oil: me, too...it's looking more likely every hour
Oct 25 20:52:00 <dawm|laptop> its kinda cool tho
Oct 25 20:52:09 <dawm|laptop> you've helped the community, and now the community is helping you
Oct 25 20:52:28 <sugardave> yeah, that was what I was hoping, and it works :D
Oct 25 20:53:32 <torchie> woo vmware done download
Oct 25 20:53:37 <torchie> time to check this stuff out
Oct 25 20:54:03 <torchie> webos' mascot should be a 5000mah battery
Oct 25 20:57:14 <oil> dont need any mascots, lol
Oct 25 20:57:49 <torchie> who needs mascots when you have culture
Oct 25 21:01:51 <fear\mirc2> what a coincidence. i was just trying to find a webos mascot
Oct 25 21:02:15 <sugardave> PUPPIES!
Oct 25 21:02:47 <fear\mirc2> a friend of mine is a photographer and he recently acquired an android figure and wanted to match it against another tech figure but none exist. no apple/ios mascot, or webos, or symbian or really any toys that are technical
Oct 25 21:10:45 <torchie> what was george washington's mascot
Oct 25 21:11:01 <torchie> what was ghandi's mascot
Oct 25 21:11:09 <torchie> what was grandmaster flash and the furious five's mascot
Oct 25 21:11:46 <sugardave> wait
Oct 25 21:11:49 <sugardave> I know this
Oct 25 21:11:57 <sugardave> damn, lost it
Oct 25 21:14:01 <Tibfib> sugardave: I'll pay for the rest of your trip if you pay for my trip
Oct 25 21:14:26 <sugardave> Tibfib: umm....does not compute :P
Oct 25 21:15:05 <Tibfib> aren't you at 77% or so?
Oct 25 21:15:51 <sugardave> yeah, almost there...but see, I'd then have to come up with MORE money to pay for your trip :D
Oct 25 21:16:01 <Roy-Pre101> rwhitby (or anyone):  Is there a homebrew app to export all your contacts?  Or move them to a different account?
Oct 25 21:16:33 <Tibfib> sugardave: but I'd pay for the rest of your trip? seems fair.
Oct 25 21:17:01 <sugardave> it SEEMS fair, but things are rarely what they seem
Oct 25 21:17:06 <Tibfib> lol
Oct 25 21:17:12 <sugardave> :D
Oct 25 21:17:55 <sugardave> Tibfib: I thought you were set already?
Oct 25 21:18:03 <Tibfib> not quite
Oct 25 21:18:54 <Tibfib> I have the money but I haven't decided if it's worth spending it all. I don't make money in the winter.
Oct 25 21:19:06 <sugardave> ah, I see
Oct 25 21:19:25 <Tibfib> I may hold an "advance" mojo messenger pro account thing.
Oct 25 21:19:29 <sugardave> do a ChipIn and start blasting Mojo Messenger
Oct 25 21:19:34 <sugardave> :D
Oct 25 21:19:38 <Tibfib> heh
Oct 25 21:19:46 <maik> wutup home skillets
Oct 25 21:19:56 <sugardave> hey maik
Oct 25 21:20:32 <sugardave> I'm still trying to figure out how ChipIn continues to operate, they cahrge no fees, aren't escrowing payments, etc.
Oct 25 21:20:38 <Tibfib> hmmm, does http://tibfib.com/ work for you guys?
Oct 25 21:20:41 <summatusmentis> ad revenue?
Oct 25 21:20:55 <sugardave> no ads that I can see, even in the widget they give you for your site
Oct 25 21:20:59 <summatusmentis> Tibfib: I get a dark grey background screen
Oct 25 21:21:04 <Tibfib> shoot.
Oct 25 21:21:07 <summatusmentis> sugardave: VC startup money?
Oct 25 21:21:09 <Tibfib> halfhalo: ping pong
Oct 25 21:21:19 <sugardave> Tibfib: working for me
Oct 25 21:21:25 <sugardave> looks nice
Oct 25 21:21:38 <summatusmentis> Tibfib: I'm in FF4b6 if that matters
Oct 25 21:21:48 <Tibfib> Hrmm. It used to work here, in chrome.
Oct 25 21:22:06 <sugardave> Iron 5.0.381.0
Oct 25 21:22:24 <dawm|laptop> dave
Oct 25 21:22:30 <sugardave> yo
Oct 25 21:22:38 <dawm|laptop> they charge fees if you dont send directly to a paypal acct
Oct 25 21:22:49 <sugardave> ah, I see
Oct 25 21:23:43 <summatusmentis> that still doesn't seem like enough revenue to be making a business model out of it
Oct 25 21:23:47 <dawm|laptop> so if you use check or etf they do the processing
Oct 25 21:24:14 <sugardave> summatusmentis: agree
Oct 25 21:24:27 <summatusmentis> oil: poing
Oct 25 21:24:36 <summatusmentis> or, I guess anyone really
Oct 25 21:24:43 <oil> ?
Oct 25 21:24:50 <summatusmentis> I read somewhere that lumberjack will help battery life if I drop the log level
Oct 25 21:24:52 <summatusmentis> is this true?
Oct 25 21:25:13 <summatusmentis> (it's also entirely possible I just made this up)
Oct 25 21:25:17 <Tibfib> it could
Oct 25 21:25:18 <sugardave> uh oh
Oct 25 21:25:25 <sugardave> it's a trap!
Oct 25 21:25:30 <oil> well
Oct 25 21:25:36 <oil> its already at error by default
Oct 25 21:25:52 <summatusmentis> I just installed it, and it's at Info
Oct 25 21:25:57 <oil> right
Oct 25 21:25:57 <oil> info
Oct 25 21:26:00 <oil> well
Oct 25 21:26:05 <oil> thats what lumberjack changes it to on start
Oct 25 21:26:07 <oil> and back to error on close
Oct 25 21:26:13 <summatusmentis> oooh
Oct 25 21:26:24 <summatusmentis> so really there's nothing to drop it to
Oct 25 21:26:32 <oil> right
Oct 25 21:26:42 <summatusmentis> ok, thanks
Oct 25 21:26:43 <oil> jhojho has a patch that lowers logging for a lot of stuff
Oct 25 21:26:57 <oil> (stuff other the LunaSysMgrJS)
Oct 25 21:27:27 <summatusmentis> duly noted
Oct 25 21:27:30 <summatusmentis> danke
Oct 25 21:28:05 <summatusmentis> what's the process for getting packages into optware?
Oct 25 21:28:15 <summatusmentis> oops, wronge chan
Oct 25 21:28:19 * summatusmentis moves over one window
Oct 25 22:14:06 * Rick_work heads home for the day
Oct 25 22:34:54 <dohtem> Hello guys
Oct 25 22:35:03 <creationix> webOS here I come!
Oct 25 22:36:39 <dohtem> hey congrats creationix.. heard the good news
Oct 25 22:36:48 <creationix> :D
Oct 25 22:36:50 <SineOt> oh? what happened?
Oct 25 22:37:00 <dohtem> he will be cloned
Oct 25 22:37:11 <dohtem> :)
Oct 25 22:40:47 <creationix> As of next Monday I'll be a Palm/HP employee working on webOS and node stuff
Oct 25 22:41:23 <SineOt> oh! congrats :D
Oct 25 22:41:24 <maik> there will be cake
Oct 25 22:42:19 <dohtem> creationix: does this mean you'll stop trying to avoid using Mojo in your apps?
Oct 25 22:42:33 <creationix> nah, I'll just try to rewrite mojo ;)
Oct 25 22:42:52 <summatusmentis> creationix: what apps do you work on now?
Oct 25 22:43:03 <summatusmentis> (I'm new, sorry if that's a stupid question)
Oct 25 22:43:09 <creationix> summatusmentis: nothing really
Oct 25 22:43:20 <creationix> I have a canvas demo with 50 downloads
Oct 25 22:43:35 <halfhalo> what about that one thing with the people?
Oct 25 22:43:39 <bpadalino> creationix: congrats - do you think it will be difficult to keep node up to date on webos ?
Oct 25 22:43:58 <creationix> it will be up to date, just delayed
Oct 25 22:44:07 <dohtem> lol
Oct 25 22:44:13 * halfhalo grumbles about old node version
Oct 25 22:44:14 <summatusmentis> creationix: oh, ok, I sort of assumed your app skillz helped you get the job :) Congratulations
Oct 25 22:44:22 <creationix> by the time a device goes to market...
Oct 25 22:44:28 <creationix> summatusmentis: no, my node skillz
Oct 25 22:44:34 <summatusmentis> ah
Oct 25 22:44:46 <summatusmentis> so you're the person I need to pick the brain of, at a future point
Oct 25 22:44:54 <creationix> halfhalo: I don't know anything yet, but Tom from palm has been submitting patches to node
Oct 25 22:45:05 <creationix> so I assume there are plans to update
Oct 25 22:47:07 <dohtem> hmm... webosroundup.com is reporting 6 new devices next year
Oct 25 22:47:19 <creationix> dohtem: exciting
Oct 25 22:47:58 <summatusmentis> I'm intrigued by node, primarily as a piece of a peer-to-peer backend system
Oct 25 22:48:36 <creationix> summatusmentis: we have udp
Oct 25 22:48:41 <creationix> anything is possible
Oct 25 22:48:55 <summatusmentis> very cool
Oct 25 22:49:27 <dohtem> HP should come up with something like BB messenger for webOS devices
Oct 25 22:49:38 <summatusmentis> isn't someone working on that?
Oct 25 22:49:46 <summatusmentis> it was mentioned in a previous precentral podcast
Oct 25 22:49:52 <Tibfib> I am.
Oct 25 22:49:52 <summatusmentis> Mojo Messenger or something?
Oct 25 22:50:02 <dohtem> oh yeah
Oct 25 22:50:04 <dohtem> :)
Oct 25 22:50:24 <Tibfib> it isn't going to be perfect until palm gets mojo messaging push service out there.
Oct 25 22:50:32 <Tibfib> then, I can make it better than bbm.
Oct 25 22:50:47 <summatusmentis> I've never used bbm
Oct 25 22:50:53 <Tibfib> me either. :)
Oct 25 22:51:18 <summatusmentis> creationix: so, something like a DHT, how hard would that be to implement in node/js?
Oct 25 22:53:01 <summatusmentis> my fingers keep defaulting to where characters used to be on my centro keyboard
Oct 25 22:53:33 <rwhitby> creationix: congrats at the new job - will you be at the NYC dev day?
Oct 25 23:01:34 <iWinRar> sup brothers
Oct 25 23:32:49 <oc80z> whats good
Oct 25 23:39:24 <haeffb> 'sall good
Oct 26 00:19:43 <halfhalo> Bored...
Oct 26 00:22:53 <iWinRar> me too
Oct 26 00:27:20 <sugardave> omg, I was looking at the wrong hotel
Oct 26 00:27:21 <sugardave> erg
Oct 26 00:28:15 <iWinRar> ?
Oct 26 00:28:53 <sugardave> when I was setting the amount for my "donate to sugardave" thing, I woefully undercut my hotel costs, but I think it's going to work out
Oct 26 01:02:51 <oil> http://i53.tinypic.com/35lrsw0.png  ... left or right?
Oct 26 01:03:04 <Nyceane> left
Oct 26 01:03:06 <Nyceane> what is this?
Oct 26 01:03:29 <summatusmentis> oil: right
Oct 26 01:03:31 <oil> the app menu doesn't give it away? xD
Oct 26 01:03:33 <Tibfib> the divider is slightly messed up
Oct 26 01:03:40 <oil> around the bubble, i know
Oct 26 01:03:41 <Tibfib> right
Oct 26 01:04:15 <oil> palm apparently had different graphics for the bubble image where i cut it out of and the labeled divider
Oct 26 01:04:16 <Tibfib> on the left, the numbers get cut in half by the lines
Oct 26 01:04:36 <Tibfib> so, right.
Oct 26 01:04:41 <oil> so its 1-2
Oct 26 01:06:44 <summatusmentis> Tibfib: it happens on the right too, it's just less noticable
Oct 26 01:07:00 <iWinRar> ummm
Oct 26 01:07:18 <iWinRar> ima go right
Oct 26 01:07:53 <summatusmentis> oil: if it matters, I didn't notice the difference right away
Oct 26 01:07:58 <oil> lol
Oct 26 01:08:23 <iWinRar> i didnt either
Oct 26 01:08:30 <iWinRar> then again i wasnt paying attention really
Oct 26 01:08:37 <oil> they're clearly different, haha
Oct 26 01:08:57 <iWinRar>  yea after i actually looked i seen lol
Oct 26 01:10:41 <oil> so its 1-3, lets see what its like when i get back from dinner :)
Oct 26 01:10:55 <oil> maybe i need to do another poll with a stroke+fill center option xD
Oct 26 01:11:07 * oil bbl
Oct 26 01:11:28 <iWinRar> i was orginally going to go left because it has a steeper incline
Oct 26 01:11:33 <iWinRar> but right looks better
Oct 26 01:33:54 <Spanska> I just added a handleCommand function in my MainAssistant and when I click on the app menu, I see these lines in the logs. What could be wrong?  Info: Relaunch requested for application: myAppName, Warning: WidgetController: Could not instantiate widget '  ', since it has not been set up.
Oct 26 01:34:57 <haeffb_> oil: right
Oct 26 01:35:13 <haeffb_> Spanska: nothing wrong
Oct 26 01:35:18 <sugardave> Spanska: that one is safe to ignore, I see it all the time
Oct 26 01:35:44 <Spanska> haeffb_ & sugardave: so both lines are ok to see?
Oct 26 01:35:54 <haeffb_> yep. common with multistage apps
Oct 26 01:35:57 <sugardave> yes
Oct 26 01:36:08 <sugardave> oil: I choose right, as well
Oct 26 01:36:34 <haeffb> yay! 1-6!
Oct 26 01:37:13 <Spanska> thanks:D
Oct 26 01:48:11 <Spanska> What's the advantage to use palm-generate to create a new scene? Can I just create the html and js files and add the js file location in sources.json?
Oct 26 01:48:53 <sugardave> you can do that
Oct 26 01:50:32 <summatusmentis> palm-generate just does it automatically
Oct 26 01:50:36 <summatusmentis> from what I understand
Oct 26 01:50:45 <sugardave> yep
Oct 26 01:51:03 <Spanska> I wasn't sure if it added things in binary files.. but I cannot see any binary files where that would happen hehe
Oct 26 01:51:25 <Spanska> I read somewhere that it added something in a table but I must be mixed up with something else
Oct 26 01:52:01 <summatusmentis> I don't think there really are binary files unless you intentionally make them :)
Oct 26 02:21:31 <Spanska> I have a main scene. I'm trying to push a preferences scene on top of it so that the user can simply use the back gesture to pop it just like most built-in apps. Is that something unusual? Am I misunderstanding the concepts?
Oct 26 02:22:10 <summatusmentis> no, that's pretty standard
Oct 26 02:24:31 <summatusmentis> Spanska: are you having trouble with it? or are you just asking conceptual questions?
Oct 26 02:25:19 <Spanska> pushScene is a StageController method so I cannot get it from my scene. I looked in SceneController methods and there doesn't seem to be any to get a reference to the StageController so I'm stuck here.
Oct 26 02:25:41 <Spanska> I'm trying to find how to resolve this on my own, just looking for some tips
Oct 26 02:26:42 <Spanska> I looked at code examples but they put the handleCommand method in the AppAssistant instead of the MainAssistant like I did. I did this to be sure that "Preferences" won't be enabled in the preferences scene.
Oct 26 02:32:19 <haeffb> this.controller.stageController
Oct 26 02:33:00 <haeffb> i.e. stageController is a property of the sceneController which is a property of the sceneAssistant
Oct 26 02:33:16 <haeffb> er. Spanska
Oct 26 02:33:37 <iWinRar> hi haeffb
Oct 26 02:33:53 <haeffb> hello
Oct 26 02:34:17 <Spanska> haeffb: this.controller.stageController.pushScene("myscene") doesn't work either in the MainAssistant
Oct 26 02:34:26 <Spanska> oh, hold on
Oct 26 02:35:05 <Spanska> this.stageController.pushScene doesn't work either
Oct 26 02:35:48 <haeffb> this.controller.stageController.pushScene()
Oct 26 02:36:14 <Spanska> I tried that too right before my other line
Oct 26 02:36:36 <haeffb> and make sure that you have the correct scope (i.e. "this" is the "this" you think "this" is)
Oct 26 02:37:11 <haeffb> how do you call the function where you're trying to push the new scene?
Oct 26 02:37:37 <haeffb> in handleCommand in the MainAssistant?
Oct 26 02:38:08 <Spanska> I was still trying to set stageController based on another example
Oct 26 02:38:22 <Spanska> I removed that line and this.controller.stageController.pushScene is working now:)
Oct 26 02:38:25 <SineOt> This is what I used, Mojo.Controller.stageController.pushScene("preferences"); inside of a handleCommand for a viewmenu
Oct 26 02:39:05 <Spanska> thanks for all your help!
Oct 26 02:39:17 <iWinRar> lol there is a small dent where my recliner is in the wall
Oct 26 02:40:34 <JenP> hi all
Oct 26 02:41:58 <haeffb> hello JenP!
Oct 26 02:42:39 <JenP> hi haeffb!
Oct 26 02:45:14 <JenP> so is sugardave at 100%?
Oct 26 02:46:12 <JenP> oh he's close! very cool
Oct 26 02:46:23 <rwhitby> looks like 77% here.
Oct 26 02:46:31 <JenP> yup.. hi rod
Oct 26 02:46:56 * rwhitby now has flight & hotel details for NYC dev day
Oct 26 02:47:23 <JenP> that's great!
Oct 26 02:52:51 <haeffb> rwhitby: four points?
Oct 26 02:58:10 <rwhitby> haeffb: yep
Oct 26 02:58:29 <rwhitby> and I get into JFK 6pm Thu
Oct 26 02:59:01 <haeffb> 2:30 pm
Oct 26 02:59:07 <haeffb> I'll see you there... :)
Oct 26 03:00:07 <rwhitby> you're in four points too?
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