**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Oct 30 02:59:57 2010
Oct 30 03:23:24 * phil_bw wanders by
Oct 30 03:27:55 <dawm_> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v281/dawm/graphics/DCShoes3inchWHITE.jpg
Oct 30 03:28:00 <dawm_> stickers!
Oct 30 03:29:30 <phil_bw> indeed
Oct 30 03:29:51 * phil_bw just super glued the soles back on my shoes this morning...
Oct 30 03:30:09 <dawm_> i need to order more colors all i have are red/white/black =/
Oct 30 03:30:38 <phil_bw> I only own two pairs of shoes total
Oct 30 03:30:54 <halfhalo> thats one more than me!
Oct 30 03:31:36 <dawm_> i have work boots (gotta get some new ones soon), a worse off pair of work boots, 1 reebok throwbacks, 1 etnies, 2 dc's, 1 vans and then the usual dress shoes, but 90% of the time im wearing the workboots =/
Oct 30 03:32:10 <halfhalo> I have one pair of shoes, and then like 18 pairs of flipflops
Oct 30 03:32:46 <phil_bw> haha
Oct 30 03:33:26 <phil_bw> yep I've got a pair of work shoes (basically waterproof rugged hiking shoes) then a pair of running shoes (and my fat ass doesn't run much so those don't get much use)
Oct 30 03:52:24 <Bmyers> dont wear flip flops to devs day NYC in november
Oct 30 04:06:53 * oil hopes there wont be a lot of snow
Oct 30 05:00:51 <summatusmentis> one of my roommates called me a Palm Pre snob today
Oct 30 05:01:21 <Tibfib> yay, the api for file transfer I'm using in mojo messenger is dying!
Oct 30 05:03:34 * Tibfib pouts
Oct 30 05:18:39 <Tibfib> this is new: http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1859&Itemid=248#.singleTap
Oct 30 05:18:46 <Tibfib> isn't it?
Oct 30 09:26:34 <serych> Does anybody know how to patch the Pre Plus phone to request the SMS delivery report from the operator? It's free and very usefull service in Europe and it seems to me, that Pre doesn't have any preferences to switch it on :-(
Oct 30 11:28:22 <madnificent> is there any way to make the phone buzz when an email arrives?
Oct 30 13:01:26 <JenP> hi all
Oct 30 13:07:56 <madnificent> done, thanks either case
Oct 30 13:07:59 <madnificent> hello JenP
Oct 30 13:08:09 <JenP> hi madnificent
Oct 30 13:37:55 <haeffb> morning!
Oct 30 13:38:11 <JenP> morning!
Oct 30 15:11:45 <haeffb> ajaxRequest is not doing it for me...
Oct 30 15:12:35 <JenP> what's it not doing?
Oct 30 15:13:24 <sugardave> good morning
Oct 30 15:13:40 <JenP> morning sugardave!
Oct 30 15:14:32 <haeffb> hello
Oct 30 15:14:46 <haeffb> it appears that the simplenote API isn't reading my postBody
Oct 30 15:15:01 <haeffb> and I have no idea why...
Oct 30 15:16:58 <sugardave> are you sending a postData string or breaking them out into their own properties in the parameters object?
Oct 30 15:17:38 <haeffb> http://webos.pastebin.com/rB5hNzds
Oct 30 15:17:59 <haeffb> the API is supposed to work with JSON
Oct 30 15:18:18 <haeffb> The body should contain a partial note object. The minimum properties to send should
Oct 30 15:18:18 <haeffb> be the content. To support merging, last version number received from the server for
Oct 30 15:18:18 <haeffb> this note should be sent. If version is omitted, the new contents will automatically
Oct 30 15:18:18 <haeffb> overwrite the current note contents, even if changes have been made on other clients.
Oct 30 15:18:51 <haeffb> I get a response from the server, but it's not changing any of the note properties
Oct 30 15:19:10 <sugardave> what if you axe version?
Oct 30 15:19:22 <haeffb> I've tried with just content
Oct 30 15:19:25 <haeffb> still no change
Oct 30 15:19:30 <sugardave> lameness
Oct 30 15:19:33 <hotdp> morning sugardave
Oct 30 15:19:36 <haeffb> yeah
Oct 30 15:19:43 <sugardave> morning
Oct 30 15:20:39 <sugardave> haeffb: is there anything worthwhile in the response you get back?
Oct 30 15:21:07 <haeffb> it sends me all the note properties (except for content)
Oct 30 15:21:16 <haeffb> but it's all the OLD note properties
Oct 30 15:21:17 <sugardave> hmm
Oct 30 15:21:18 <hotdp> Damn phonegap for windows :s
Oct 30 15:22:52 <haeffb> sugardave: you have mail
Oct 30 15:23:33 <sugardave> alright...I just saw something you typed up there about the API accepting JSON...but you aren't sending JSON
Oct 30 15:24:02 <haeffb> yeah, what am I sending?
Oct 30 15:24:15 <haeffb> I tried contentType='application/json'
Oct 30 15:24:19 <haeffb> didn't help
Oct 30 15:24:42 <sugardave> I THINK that Prototype is taking your parameters object and just constructing a string (for get) or the header (for post)
Oct 30 15:24:44 <hotdp> sugardave did you get the world clock done?
Oct 30 15:24:48 <sugardave> hotdp: haha, no
Oct 30 15:25:00 <sugardave> there is a problem with a method I need to use
Oct 30 15:25:06 <hotdp> :/ the bug holds you back?
Oct 30 15:25:09 <sugardave> yes
Oct 30 15:25:16 <hotdp> And no comments from dev?
Oct 30 15:25:29 <sugardave> just that they confirmed it
Oct 30 15:25:50 <sugardave> it basically "works" but for half the year will be an hour off :D
Oct 30 15:26:34 <hotdp> :)
Oct 30 15:26:48 <hotdp> I hope they fix it :)
Oct 30 15:27:01 <sugardave> that would be good :)
Oct 30 15:27:09 <haeffb> so, what do I do to get Prototype to send JSON?
Oct 30 15:28:27 <hotdp> But i found a bug in Ares
Oct 30 15:28:39 <sugardave> haeffb: what I think you need to do is build the object, JSON.stringify it, and send THAT as a parameter (looking to see what that would be)
Oct 30 15:28:41 <hotdp> LONG time ago and i dont think they fixed that yet
Oct 30 15:28:58 <haeffb> ok, I'll try that
Oct 30 15:29:58 <haeffb> nope
Oct 30 15:30:11 <sugardave> haeffb: the problem is that I don't know what parm that would be
Oct 30 15:30:21 <sugardave> the API is a little light on that detail
Oct 30 15:31:28 <sugardave> haeffb: what parameter key did you use?
Oct 30 15:31:53 <haeffb> just parameters: JSON.stringify(postBody),
Oct 30 15:32:07 <sugardave> hmm
Oct 30 15:32:07 <haeffb> the body of the request is supposed to be the object
Oct 30 15:32:13 <sugardave> right, the object
Oct 30 15:32:25 <haeffb> so JSON.stringify is the string representation of the note object
Oct 30 15:32:41 <sugardave> right
Oct 30 15:32:57 <sugardave> try this:  parameters = {data: JSON string}
Oct 30 15:35:12 <haeffb> nope
Oct 30 15:35:38 <sugardave> hmmm
Oct 30 15:35:58 <sugardave> I was guessing because that's the key they use when they send back...the example sucks
Oct 30 15:36:08 <sugardave> but you can see how it wants a string of the object
Oct 30 15:36:29 <sugardave> now you just need to know what parameter key to use...or maybe switch to using postData
Oct 30 15:36:59 <haeffb> postData ?
Oct 30 15:37:46 <sugardave> yeah, I'm trying to find the example
Oct 30 15:37:49 <haeffb> based on their docs, the body should be the object. not body.data or body.something else
Oct 30 15:38:18 <haeffb> here's Prototype docs: http://www.prototypejs.org/api/ajax/options
Oct 30 15:38:42 * haeffb has also tried setting postBody rather than parameters....
Oct 30 15:39:22 <haeffb> but not with the stringify version
Oct 30 15:40:29 <haeffb> so. THAT WORKS!
Oct 30 15:41:40 <sugardave> postBody that's it
Oct 30 15:42:06 <sugardave> if you use postBody, then no parameters will get processed
Oct 30 15:42:11 <haeffb> it was the JSON.stringify that I was missing. thanks!
Oct 30 15:42:12 <sugardave> it's an either/or kind of thing
Oct 30 15:42:39 <sugardave> oh it works, yay!
Oct 30 15:42:41 <sugardave> :D
Oct 30 16:07:39 <zap> Hello! I need the default content of /etc/powervr.ini, anybody can help?
Oct 30 16:26:21 <JenP> omg this is so funny...josh just uploaded pics of the weather girls in halloween costumes
Oct 30 16:28:50 <KGF2009> Is it difficult to make an app that supports streaming audio?
Oct 30 16:30:21 <JenP> idk...i guess it depends on who you ask...for me...difficult. For Doc...not difficult. he made one of the first ones
Oct 30 16:31:48 <KGF2009> What I'm looking for is a simple app to tune into an online station (I think it's Shoutcast based) and then have a minimal interface with their website.
Oct 30 16:32:49 <JenP> do they have an api?
Oct 30 16:34:16 <KGF2009> No. It's a voting system based on HTML/PHP. Simple enough; I just have to call 'vote.php?id=243584&rating=8'
Oct 30 16:39:58 <KGF2009> So anyone having a few starting tips or hands in the right direction for me would be very appreciated.
Oct 30 16:43:32 <JenP> haeffb: ping
Oct 30 16:43:40 <haeffb> pong
Oct 30 16:43:46 <JenP> lookey...http://www.screencast.com/users/g33kgirl/folders/Jing/media/0b58a2af-dbf1-46a8-a3a3-03763ca635be
Oct 30 16:43:52 <JenP> http://www.screencast.com/users/g33kgirl/folders/Jing/media/0b58a2af-dbf1-46a8-a3a3-03763ca635be
Oct 30 16:52:50 <haeffb> very nice
Oct 30 16:52:54 <hotdp> yer
Oct 30 16:53:11 <KGF2009> Mmhmm.
Oct 30 16:53:21 <JenP> i'm trying to find some place with lightening...it has a mummy which is my favorite one
Oct 30 16:56:38 <JenP> Josh drew up 50 different characters in costume...but only plans on showing them for the weekend then will switch it back to the regular weather girls
Oct 30 17:03:47 <CTLAdvance> What is this app of yours
Oct 30 17:03:59 <JenP> Tasty Weather Toons
Oct 30 17:04:00 <CTLAdvance> Good artwork :D4
Oct 30 17:04:13 <JenP> it's a campy take on "the naked weather girl" joke
Oct 30 17:04:23 <JenP> yeah he's an awesome artist..
Oct 30 17:04:41 <CTLAdvance> What are you making that the phones background?
Oct 30 17:04:57 <JenP> but a stubborn one too...he didn't plan on telling anyone he did up the new photos...was just gonna surprise people
Oct 30 17:05:05 <JenP> yeah...
Oct 30 17:07:58 <sugardave> KGF2009: streaming audio isn't that bad: http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1741
Oct 30 17:08:20 <JenP> sugardave look at the pics of weather girls dressed up
Oct 30 17:08:41 <sugardave> I am :D
Oct 30 17:09:07 <sugardave> nice pics :D
Oct 30 17:09:48 <JenP> i wanna see if we can get precentral to show it. Otherwise no will know he's done all this work
Oct 30 17:10:04 <sugardave> did you "tip" them?
Oct 30 17:10:14 <JenP> yes...can you too?
Oct 30 17:10:17 <sugardave> sure
Oct 30 17:11:45 <sugardave> JenP: got the store link handy?
Oct 30 17:11:57 <JenP> http://www.screencast.com/users/g33kgirl/folders/Jing/media/0b58a2af-dbf1-46a8-a3a3-03763ca635be
Oct 30 17:12:36 <sugardave> tipped
Oct 30 17:12:44 <JenP> thanks!
Oct 30 17:12:46 <sugardave> np
Oct 30 17:24:08 <JenP> i couldn't find anywhere with a storm brewing but this is the mummy one
Oct 30 17:24:09 <JenP> http://www.screencast.com/users/g33kgirl/folders/Jing/media/46f48aba-3fef-41d6-b106-0daebf98a7c0
Oct 30 17:42:02 <dawm_> oh man this is funny
Oct 30 17:42:08 <dawm_> What did the egg say to the boiling water??
Oct 30 17:43:55 <haeffb> dunno
Oct 30 17:45:38 <dawm_> It's going to take me a minute to get hard, cause I just got laid by a chick!
Oct 30 17:45:57 <JenP> omg that is funy
Oct 30 18:09:52 <rsanchez1> wow
Oct 30 19:13:06 <summatusmentis> I have a question about WebOS and security. There's a _lot_ of .js exploits on the normal web, does WebOS have the potential for these types of exploits given choice to use html/js/css?
Oct 30 19:13:40 <summatusmentis> I assume that's part of the point of the review process prior to apps being put in the palm catalog
Oct 30 19:28:00 <Tibfib> does the index of the item get passed in a listTap event?
Oct 30 19:29:10 <haeffb> event.index
Oct 30 19:29:34 * Tibfib guesses he should have tested
Oct 30 19:29:58 * Tibfib wonders why that's not showed on the widget page
Oct 30 19:30:27 <Tibfib> palm: your documentation sucks. make it a wiki so people that actually use it can help
Oct 30 19:30:48 <summatusmentis> isn't... that's the premise of webos101 right?
Oct 30 19:31:02 <Tibfib> it needs to be palm run
Oct 30 19:31:41 <summatusmentis> why?
Oct 30 19:32:41 <Tibfib> it means it will be run well. Everything will have a basis. Lots of blank articles on 101.
Oct 30 19:33:11 <summatusmentis> ah
Oct 30 19:33:32 <summatusmentis> so, the other option here would be getting people engaged enough to maintain a community-run doc wiki
Oct 30 19:33:46 <Tibfib> most people don't have time to do documentation
Oct 30 19:33:56 <haeffb> Mizzou - Nebraska starts in two minutes
Oct 30 19:34:01 <Tibfib> it's palms job
Oct 30 19:34:20 <summatusmentis> most people don't have the right incentive to make time to do it
Oct 30 19:34:35 <summatusmentis> I agree, it is, and they provide documentation
Oct 30 19:34:40 <Tibfib> but it sucks.
Oct 30 19:35:07 <Tibfib> it needs to be a wiki, so we developers can make it accurate, and better. People are more likely to fix an article, than write an article
Oct 30 19:35:19 <summatusmentis> I guess my point is, webos101 could take on that role, if the right people were motivated enough
Oct 30 19:35:35 <Tibfib> Yeah it could
Oct 30 19:36:34 <summatusmentis> getting that community motivation is hard to do
Oct 30 19:50:50 <dawm_> whats the sshot key combo again?
Oct 30 19:53:03 <dawm_> nvm
Oct 30 20:29:56 <jacekowski> morning
Oct 30 20:29:57 <haeffb> yuck.
Oct 30 20:30:08 <jacekowski> afternoon then
Oct 30 20:30:39 <haeffb> sorry. watching MU lose to Nebraska. 24-0 after 1 quarter.
Oct 30 20:30:49 <haeffb> just completely manhandled
Oct 30 20:31:12 <summatusmentis> NE always has a good team though right?
Oct 30 20:31:20 <summatusmentis> I've got relatives in that rea
Oct 30 20:31:21 <summatusmentis> area*
Oct 30 20:33:27 <jacekowski> where i can buy pre apps if i don't have pre?
Oct 30 20:33:35 <haeffb> you can't
Oct 30 20:36:49 <haeffb> why do you want to buy apps?
Oct 30 20:37:23 <dawm_> man i love it when software crashes and it doesnt save a crash file of the work..
Oct 30 20:37:52 <dawm_> i crash inkscape way to much
Oct 30 20:39:00 <jacekowski> haeffb: to run them on my n900?
Oct 30 20:39:44 <haeffb> ok, then you can't buy them. You could buy a pixi and buy the apps...
Oct 30 20:43:45 <haeffb> wooo! TD Tigers! 24-6
Oct 30 20:44:01 <haeffb> 7
Oct 30 21:16:05 <haeffb> 24-7 at half. Tigers win the second quarter.... :p
Oct 30 21:16:24 <halfhalo> lol
Oct 30 21:17:55 <dawm_> ignore the file name, and tell me what this looks like
Oct 30 21:17:56 <dawm_> http://uploads.biocandy.com/data/munkay.png
Oct 30 21:19:42 <haeffb> too late, I already looked at the file name.
Oct 30 21:20:01 <haeffb> but she says "a monkey"
Oct 30 21:59:46 <Anivrom> For all you hardcore "no sauce on steak" guys, *I'm looking at you haeffb*, I'm about to grill up some steaks and put loads of hp sauce on it.
Oct 30 22:00:27 <haeffb> meh. might as well grill a stack of cardboard and save some money.
Oct 30 22:00:39 <haeffb> it'll taste the same.
Oct 30 22:01:41 <Anivrom> blasphemy
Oct 30 22:01:44 <Anivrom> bbl
Oct 30 22:02:22 <haeffb> woo! Tigers score again.
Oct 30 22:02:42 <haeffb> 24-14
Oct 30 22:05:15 <haeffb> shit.
Oct 30 22:05:20 <haeffb> neb scores.
Oct 30 22:20:54 <infiniteloop> any guidelines on creating custom widgets ?
Oct 30 22:21:16 <infiniteloop> I have a Horizontal scroller with list of buttons, I want to use this in other scenes.
Oct 30 22:27:50 <infiniteloop> ah found a guide - http://webosdeveloper.wordpress.com/2010/02/18/webos-custom-widget-example/
Oct 30 23:20:05 <Anivrom> bombs away this steak is goin downnnnnnn (along with some hp sauce) :D
Oct 30 23:20:25 <JenP>  lol
Oct 30 23:22:42 <Anivrom> ran out of hp, guess it's bullzeye
Oct 30 23:22:55 <JenP> A1?
Oct 30 23:23:16 <Anivrom> Old west Hickory
Oct 30 23:24:06 <haeffb> my cardboard with Country Bob's Sauce is pretty tasty, too.
Oct 30 23:27:59 <Bmyers> mmmm. cardboard...
Oct 30 23:28:12 <JenP> Bmyers!
Oct 30 23:28:18 <Bmyers> TQOS!!
Oct 30 23:28:24 <JenP> http://www.screencast.com/users/g33kgirl/folders/Jing/media/0b58a2af-dbf1-46a8-a3a3-03763ca635be
Oct 30 23:28:26 <JenP> lookey
Oct 30 23:28:45 <Bmyers> do i need to put the kids in another room first?
Oct 30 23:28:56 <JenP> they have clothes on
Oct 30 23:29:25 <Bmyers> just barely
Oct 30 23:29:46 <Bmyers> look more like spray paint clothing
Oct 30 23:29:53 <Bmyers> but oddly interesting..
Oct 30 23:29:57 <JenP> LOL
Oct 30 23:30:15 <Bmyers> that the toon weather one?
Oct 30 23:30:17 <JenP> san diego is princess lea (sp?)
Oct 30 23:30:36 <Bmyers> yes
Oct 30 23:30:39 <JenP> yeah tasty weather toons...
Oct 30 23:30:43 <JenP> thought you'd like that
Oct 30 23:30:47 <Bmyers> looks tasty
Oct 30 23:31:39 <Bmyers> nice work. you're done with that one now?
Oct 30 23:31:52 <JenP> yup now it's all on the artist
Oct 30 23:32:30 <Bmyers> yeah. more tasties on the way?
Oct 30 23:32:47 <JenP> yup...he's got thanksgiving ones and xmas ones...
Oct 30 23:33:07 <JenP> there's over 50 halloween ones...
Oct 30 23:33:12 <Bmyers> i josh is a boob man...
Oct 30 23:33:38 <JenP> lol no more an a$$ man
Oct 30 23:33:57 <Bmyers> of course. i should have known...
Oct 30 23:33:57 <rwhitby> morning
Oct 30 23:34:05 <JenP> morning rod!
Oct 30 23:39:24 <rwhitby> Hi JenP.  Nice pics.
Oct 30 23:41:28 <JenP> i think they
Oct 30 23:41:30 <JenP> 're fun
Oct 30 23:42:19 <Bmyers> i more interested in weather already
Oct 30 23:42:35 <Bmyers> 'm ^
Oct 30 23:43:24 <rwhitby> JenP: RT'd
Oct 30 23:43:59 <JenP> RT'd? what's that?
Oct 30 23:44:17 <Bmyers> retweeted?
Oct 30 23:44:20 <Bmyers> geeze....
Oct 30 23:44:35 <JenP> lol ohhhh thanks...
Oct 30 23:46:05 <Bmyers> yw
Oct 30 23:46:29 <haeffb> JenP doesn't have a twitter?
Oct 30 23:47:01 * haeffb in mourning following the football game.
Oct 30 23:47:06 <JenP> to be honest...don't really like twitter...i feel like i've got enough things tracking my every move as is
Oct 30 23:47:28 <JenP> joshua does though @tastytoons
Oct 30 23:47:35 <JenP> bmyers: so what's the family dressing up as this halloween?
Oct 30 23:47:59 <Bmyers> harry potter and princess leah
Oct 30 23:48:14 <Bmyers> doesnt look like josh's PL
Oct 30 23:48:27 <rwhitby> My 5yr old daughter is in a "Rainbow Witch" outfit, and Australia doesn't even really celebrate Halloween.  I think she's in it for the lollies.
Oct 30 23:48:36 <JenP> PL?
Oct 30 23:48:47 <Bmyers> princess leah
Oct 30 23:48:48 <JenP> rod: is there any other reason?
Oct 30 23:48:50 <JenP> ohhhh
Oct 30 23:50:28 <Bmyers> one year we did luke, leah, anaikin and amadala as a family
Oct 30 23:50:50 <Bmyers> sometimes I feel like i really am the father of darth vader
Oct 30 23:51:08 <JenP> LOL
Oct 30 23:51:25 <Bmyers> another year was capt hook, wendy, tink and peter pan
Oct 30 23:51:44 <Bmyers> this year if i get out of my pj's they'll be lucky
Oct 30 23:52:51 <JenP> lol
Oct 30 23:53:53 <Bmyers> he makes a pretty good harry potter tho
Oct 30 23:55:20 <Bmyers> i am surprised your not into twitter tho
Oct 30 23:56:24 <haeffb> how should I handle tags in Noted! ?
Oct 30 23:56:28 <JenP> lol i dont think i have anything to say that is so important I need an audience
Oct 30 23:56:47 <Bmyers> facebook is where you lie to your friends
Oct 30 23:56:57 <Bmyers> twitter is where you are honest with strangers
Oct 30 23:57:11 <JenP> lol
Oct 30 23:57:48 <Bmyers> marketers get giant woodies over twitter
Oct 30 23:58:11 <haeffb> is there an app that handles tags well?
Oct 30 23:58:30 <Bmyers> matress tags? i tore mine off..
Oct 30 23:58:35 <Bmyers> what kinds of tags?
Oct 30 23:58:44 <haeffb> tags for notes.
Oct 30 23:58:50 <haeffb> like freeform categories
Oct 30 23:59:04 <Bmyers> oh... #tags
Oct 30 23:59:17 <JenP> oh..so you can make your own tags and search on them later?
Oct 30 23:59:18 <haeffb> #tags
Oct 30 23:59:44 <haeffb> yes... and would like to be able to start typing and have existing tags suggested & let the user choose
Oct 30 23:59:56 <haeffb> but that gets kinda difficult in webOS, I think.
Oct 31 00:00:00 <Bmyers> hmm.
Oct 31 00:00:03 <Bmyers> not really
Oct 31 00:00:24 <Bmyers> it's autocomplete
Oct 31 00:00:24 <haeffb> oh, good. a volunteer!!!
Oct 31 00:00:32 <Bmyers> Jenp is a pro at autocomplete
Oct 31 00:00:36 <haeffb> lol
Oct 31 00:00:42 <JenP> lol
Oct 31 00:01:00 <Bmyers> cake walk
Oct 31 00:01:46 <Bmyers> there surely is some rest/ajax/wizbang api for looking that stuff up
Oct 31 00:05:32 <JenP> http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/26/the-blaze-blink-now-saves-you-from-computer-vision-syndrome-is/
Oct 31 00:05:39 <JenP> this is interesting
Oct 31 00:07:51 <Bmyers> i'm pretty good at the basics
Oct 31 00:07:54 <Bmyers> blinking
Oct 31 00:07:56 <Bmyers> breathing
Oct 31 00:08:12 <Bmyers> i forget lots of stufff
Oct 31 00:08:16 <Bmyers> birthdays
Oct 31 00:08:22 <Bmyers> anniversaries
Oct 31 00:08:35 <Bmyers> but blinking i seem to remember to do
Oct 31 00:09:18 <Bmyers> do you find that you eye-lips are dried wide open at times?
Oct 31 00:10:02 <JenP> um...sure?
Oct 31 00:12:49 <JenP> hmmm could just make a stupid blinking pic for the pre and stand it up next to the pc
Oct 31 00:13:22 <JenP> josh saids he'll do tasty toons blink
Oct 31 00:13:39 <JenP> but what will be blinking...with his mind God only knows
Oct 31 00:26:05 <dawm_> seriously.. you have to make a heart from scratch in illustrator? how lame is that..
Oct 31 01:59:22 <Tibfib> hmm, so this variables aren't killed when a scene is popped. Is there a way I can kill all this variables?
Oct 31 01:59:49 * Tibfib doesn't know the name of the variables
Oct 31 02:01:31 <haeffb> they aren't?
Oct 31 02:01:47 <Tibfib> nopee
Oct 31 02:02:02 <haeffb> what do you mean?
Oct 31 02:02:15 <Tibfib> Have a scene with dynamic drawers... open the drawer, pop the scene, push teh scene again, the drawers are still open
Oct 31 02:02:19 <haeffb> if you push the scene again, they're still there?
Oct 31 02:02:29 <haeffb> hmmm...
Oct 31 02:02:56 <haeffb> so, where is the drawer state saved?
Oct 31 02:02:59 <Tibfib> it's not a huge deal. just bugs me
Oct 31 02:03:18 <haeffb> in the widget model? or are you saving it elsewhere?
Oct 31 02:03:35 <Tibfib> this.controller.setupWidget("drawer", {unstyled: true});
Oct 31 02:03:40 <Tibfib> they are dynamic
Oct 31 02:04:02 <haeffb> dynamic... as in a list?
Oct 31 02:04:03 <Tibfib> the models are generated from the list
Oct 31 02:04:13 <Tibfib> yeah, I guess dynamic isn't the right word
Oct 31 02:04:42 <haeffb> so, the drawer model.value is coming from the list model?
Oct 31 02:04:55 <Tibfib> yep
Oct 31 02:05:06 <haeffb> er. model.open
Oct 31 02:05:17 <haeffb> where does the list model come from?
Oct 31 02:05:30 <Tibfib> a this.var
Oct 31 02:06:11 <haeffb> but you don't create this.var in setup() ?
Oct 31 02:06:29 <Tibfib> I create it in the scene constructor
Oct 31 02:06:38 <Tibfib> that might be my problem
Oct 31 02:06:47 <haeffb> cuz, I think each time you push a scene, you're creating a new instance of the sceneAssistant
Oct 31 02:06:57 <haeffb> and each instance should have it's own properties/methods
Oct 31 02:07:20 <haeffb> so the this.var should be a separate instance for each scene.
Oct 31 02:07:31 <haeffb> but, I may not be correct about that...:)
Oct 31 02:07:34 <Tibfib> well, same thing happens in setup
Oct 31 02:07:42 <haeffb> how do you create it?
Oct 31 02:07:51 <Tibfib> oh.
Oct 31 02:07:57 <Tibfib> just a sec
Oct 31 02:07:59 <infiniteloop> is there a analytics package for webos , like google analytics ? I want to track page views, events on my app.
Oct 31 02:08:15 <haeffb> metrix ?
Oct 31 02:08:31 <infiniteloop> ah thanks, I stumbled on it as soon as I asked the question
Oct 31 02:08:34 <Tibfib> http://metrix.webosroundup.com/
Oct 31 02:09:32 <Tibfib> haeffb: okay, I know the issue. I'm just passing a reference to a global array. that's what the this var is. So it gets opened there.
Oct 31 02:09:38 <Tibfib> I'll have to copy the array
Oct 31 02:09:54 <Tibfib> thanks!
Oct 31 02:10:13 <Tibfib> arg, object.clone is shallowwwwww
Oct 31 02:11:15 <haeffb> yes...?
Oct 31 02:11:43 <Tibfib> my array is multi dimensional. object.clone is 1d
Oct 31 02:34:13 <Tibfib> anyone use metrix?
Oct 31 02:34:28 <haeffb> nope
Oct 31 02:34:55 <Tibfib> I'm considering it, but I don't really want to add excess stuff to my app
Oct 31 02:35:21 <haeffb> I was concerned about the privacy issues...
Oct 31 02:35:25 * oil isnt
Oct 31 02:35:29 * Tibfib is wondering if it is worth it
Oct 31 02:35:45 <Tibfib> I don't care about the privacy issues. they hash the device id's anyway
Oct 31 02:36:35 <haeffb> yes, but it's still reporting back on usage
Oct 31 02:36:37 <rwhitby> well, they hash the device id's at the server end, but they travel over the network in cleartext
Oct 31 02:36:57 <Tibfib> rwhitby: what can someone do with a device id?
Oct 31 02:37:00 <rwhitby> so, someone snooping on a wifi hotspot will get your device id, and then use neato to send spam to you
Oct 31 02:37:11 <haeffb> f'in neato.
Oct 31 02:37:16 <Tibfib> because they are webOS hackers
Oct 31 02:37:17 <haeffb> er. wait. what?
Oct 31 02:37:41 <Tibfib> rwhitby: how realistic is that?
Oct 31 02:37:59 <rwhitby> Tibfib: given a device id, you can also decrypt the cryptofs from the .palm directory on the USB drive
Oct 31 02:38:10 <Tibfib> there we go... hah
Oct 31 02:38:30 <rwhitby> and any number of other things that developers niavely use the device id for
Oct 31 02:38:52 * Tibfib uses hexed device id
Oct 31 02:38:58 * Tibfib hexed on device
Oct 31 02:39:06 * Tibfib doens't know why he made that an action
Oct 31 02:39:29 <Tibfib> rwhitby: palm needs to give us a profile id api
Oct 31 02:39:40 <Tibfib> that they don't use for anything, so it's safe.
Oct 31 02:39:42 <rwhitby> should do an SHA1 hash (or some other one-way function) before sending the device id over the network
Oct 31 02:39:55 <Tibfib> rwhitby: I do
Oct 31 02:40:05 <rwhitby> you said "hexed"
Oct 31 02:40:09 * Tibfib meant hashed
Oct 31 02:40:16 <rwhitby> ok, hashed is good
Oct 31 02:40:21 <haeffb> Tibfib puts a hex on deviceId
Oct 31 02:40:28 <rwhitby> well, it is halloween
Oct 31 02:40:37 <haeffb> not yet.
Oct 31 02:40:41 <Tibfib> lol
Oct 31 02:40:53 <haeffb> Tibfib going to dev day?
Oct 31 02:41:00 <rwhitby> haeffb: you forget my timezone :)
Oct 31 02:41:00 <Tibfib> haeffb: not sure :/
Oct 31 02:41:28 <haeffb> rwhitby: since you're actually a figment of my imagination, your timeone is irrelevant. Only mine actually matters.
Oct 31 02:41:40 <Tibfib> lol
Oct 31 02:42:00 <rwhitby> haeffb: well, I've just taken you off the list of people for whom I give 13 hours advance notice of the universe ending
Oct 31 02:42:15 <Tibfib> hahahah
Oct 31 02:42:24 <haeffb> drat. 13 hours could have been useful.
Oct 31 02:42:43 <haeffb> although I'd probably have wasted it on alcohol and women anyway.
Oct 31 02:42:47 * Tibfib is going to try metrix
Oct 31 02:43:04 <haeffb> "wasted it" lol
Oct 31 02:43:44 * rwhitby bbl
Oct 31 02:45:21 <haeffb> sugardave: is Mack Brown done at Texas?
Oct 31 02:46:16 <sugardave> haeffb: I hope not...I hope it's Greg Davis
Oct 31 02:46:23 <sugardave> fired
Oct 31 02:46:57 <haeffb> damn good thing they beat NU
Oct 31 02:48:44 <pitpit24> hello?
Oct 31 02:49:52 <Tibfib> the metrix async wrappers are nice
Oct 31 02:51:24 <haeffb> pitpit24: hi!
Oct 31 02:52:02 <Tibfib> pitpit24: howdy
Oct 31 02:52:17 <pitpit24> do you know when the 2.0 doctors will be available?
Oct 31 02:52:21 <pitpit24> im fine and you?
Oct 31 02:53:24 <Tibfib> that's nda stuff, can't talk about it here
Oct 31 02:53:37 <Tibfib> doing good, working on apps
Oct 31 02:53:56 <pitpit24> ok
Oct 31 02:58:00 <haeffb> can't do a DELETE request in AjaxRequest, right?
Oct 31 02:59:19 <Tibfib> just post and get, I believe
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