**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Nov 08 02:59:57 2010
Nov 08 03:00:01 <oil> lol
Nov 08 03:00:57 <rwhitby> Bmyers: depends how many crying kids are in close proximity
Nov 08 03:01:25 <haeffb> oil, sign up on the wiki
Nov 08 03:01:35 <oil> what wiki?
Nov 08 03:01:36 <Deihmos> 200 sprint customers could be why they are not interested
Nov 08 03:01:54 <Bmyers> you must not be a parent. i can sleep thru dipTet/flu/ vacinations  with ease
Nov 08 03:02:02 <haeffb> http://www.webos101.com/DevDayNYCMeetup#Thursday_Evening_Meetup
Nov 08 03:02:10 <rwhitby> Bmyers: two kids, I can sleep through mine crying ;)
Nov 08 03:02:45 * oil can sleep through anything
Nov 08 03:02:49 <haeffb> Deihmos: but I will whine if they dont. whine long and loud.
Nov 08 03:03:00 <oil> i have 3 alarms, i still dont wake up sometimes
Nov 08 03:03:20 <haeffb> speaking of which, Sprint screwed up my wakeup time this morning.
Nov 08 03:03:27 <Bmyers> only think that makes me uneasy on an airplane is Juan Williams
Nov 08 03:03:38 <Bmyers> (america humor you prolly wont get)
Nov 08 03:03:40 <haeffb> my phone fell back two hours, not one.
Nov 08 03:03:50 <Bmyers> lucky you haeffb !!
Nov 08 03:04:05 <haeffb> made me an hour late
Nov 08 03:04:10 <Bmyers> i was all proud of myself for sleeping until 8:30 this morning
Nov 08 03:04:22 <Bmyers> then i remembered it was DST
Nov 08 03:05:14 <haeffb> Got in my truck at 6am and my truck was all like "dude, it's 8am"
Nov 08 03:05:30 <JenP> hi guys
Nov 08 03:05:33 <haeffb> and I'm like "dude, no way, you're still an hour ahead."
Nov 08 03:05:38 <Bmyers> TQOS!!
Nov 08 03:05:51 <JenP> lol
Nov 08 03:06:10 <haeffb> then I'm like "wait, dude, why are you two hours ahead!?!?!!"
Nov 08 03:06:34 <haeffb> and my truck was like all "dude, I don't know. I'm a truck."
Nov 08 03:06:58 <Bmyers>  "dude, I'm only as good as my ROM , get used to it"
Nov 08 03:07:27 <haeffb> I have no idea when my truck started calling me "dude" but I think I like it.
Nov 08 03:07:54 <Bmyers>  " dude,  I think we can both agree it;s early. Dont hassle me or crap out in BFE to test you AAA"
Nov 08 03:09:23 <Bmyers>  "then I was all, it was like, and I was all Psshht!  "
Nov 08 03:11:52 <Bmyers>  Time to go be sexy for my wife.. Vacuuming the floor.. bbl
Nov 08 03:12:05 <JenP> lol
Nov 08 03:12:14 <Bmyers> (chics really dig that)
Nov 08 03:12:23 <JenP> yes they do
Nov 08 03:12:53 <JenP> has anyone tried this code snippet yet?
Nov 08 03:12:54 <JenP> http://www.webos101.com/Code_Snippets#Posting_a_status_to_Facebook
Nov 08 03:13:16 <oil> nope
Nov 08 03:13:25 <JenP> seems incomplete
Nov 08 03:14:48 <oil> haeffb: put my in fo on there
Nov 08 03:19:18 <Tibfib> haeffb: have you ever had a formatter initially run once with the list model, then run each item?
Nov 08 03:21:02 <haeffb> not sure what that means
Nov 08 04:03:10 <Tibfib> haeffb: well, I have to add if(!model.items) to each of my formatter functions to get my list to render
Nov 08 05:17:55 <Roy-Pre101> http://ethercodes.com/
Nov 08 05:18:52 <SineOt> "font-family: fantasy;" whyyyy ;_;
Nov 08 05:19:18 <halfhalo> lol
Nov 08 07:38:32 <hotdp> good morning
Nov 08 07:38:37 <teemu> Morning
Nov 08 07:38:41 <teemu> How's it going?
Nov 08 07:39:03 <hotdp> good, but very cold outside :s
Nov 08 07:39:11 <teemu> How cold?
Nov 08 07:39:18 <teemu> It was only around -5 here
Nov 08 07:39:27 <hotdp> only :P
Nov 08 07:39:30 <hotdp> thats cold!
Nov 08 07:39:40 <teemu> :I
Nov 08 07:40:16 <hotdp> where are you from?
Nov 08 07:40:24 <teemu> Finland, remember? :)
Nov 08 07:40:35 <hotdp> i do know :)
Nov 08 07:40:40 <hotdp> thats a cold country
Nov 08 08:46:08 <[AD]Turbo> yo all
Nov 08 08:46:15 <hotdp> hi
Nov 08 09:59:32 <swisstomcat> morning
Nov 08 09:59:55 <swisstomcat> on-train hotspots are pretty cool
Nov 08 10:00:08 <hotdp> Morning swisstomcat
Nov 08 10:00:18 <hotdp> Have a good trip
Nov 08 10:00:18 <swisstomcat> morning hotdp
Nov 08 10:01:12 <swisstomcat> i'm somewhere between stuttgart and munich
Nov 08 10:01:53 <hotdp> :)
Nov 08 10:02:01 <hotdp> how many days are you therE?
Nov 08 10:03:17 <swisstomcat> 2 days
Nov 08 10:03:45 <swisstomcat> one day at the google technology user group in munich and one day at the google developer day
Nov 08 10:03:52 <hotdp> Cool
Nov 08 10:04:00 <hotdp> is there a good program?
Nov 08 10:04:58 <swisstomcat> yeah
Nov 08 10:04:59 <swisstomcat> http://www.google.com/intl/de_ALL/events/developerday/2010/munich/agenda.html
Nov 08 10:05:33 <swisstomcat> http://www.google.com/intl/en_ALL/events/developerday/2010/munich/agenda.html
Nov 08 10:05:35 <swisstomcat> in english
Nov 08 10:05:43 <swisstomcat> mostly interested in the html5 stuff
Nov 08 10:05:45 <hotdp> i understand german ;)
Nov 08 10:05:46 <swisstomcat> and chrome
Nov 08 10:05:59 <hotdp> I would take html5 also
Nov 08 10:08:32 <swisstomcat> maybe i'll get to play with some android phones
Nov 08 10:08:36 <swisstomcat> and phonegap
Nov 08 10:08:37 <hotdp> :)
Nov 08 10:10:42 <swisstomcat> ulm is next
Nov 08 10:23:40 <rwhitby> swisstomcat: no XDA-Developers session?
Nov 08 10:23:51 <swisstomcat> hmm?
Nov 08 10:24:24 <rwhitby> Surely Android is so open that they would invite the XDA-Developers to present at the conference?
Nov 08 10:24:41 <swisstomcat> i don't think they're that open
Nov 08 10:24:45 <hotdp> me2
Nov 08 10:24:46 <swisstomcat> that's why i like palm
Nov 08 10:24:58 <swisstomcat> i'm going to show off my pre :)
Nov 08 10:25:01 <rwhitby> But Android is the *most* open.  Just ask them.
Nov 08 10:25:16 <swisstomcat> good idea
Nov 08 10:25:51 <swisstomcat> the only android track i will attend is probably "html5 or native for mobile development"
Nov 08 10:27:21 <swisstomcat> but i should ask the question "if android is so open, why don't you invite the xda-developer people to speak" ...
Nov 08 10:28:09 <hotdp> i would like to hear the answer to that
Nov 08 10:30:25 <swisstomcat> yeah
Nov 08 15:15:16 <funkatron> hey, does anyone have a decent open source example of implementing a "what's new" popup for users, based on an internet-based JSON feed?
Nov 08 15:15:31 <funkatron> so it only shows stuff newer than what was last read, etc
Nov 08 15:33:40 <Roy-Pre101> funkatron: Metrix has a bulletin system.
Nov 08 15:33:47 <funkatron> *nod*
Nov 08 15:33:48 <Roy-Pre101> I didn't like it for a 'what's new' feature though.
Nov 08 15:33:50 <funkatron> I don't think I can use it tho
Nov 08 15:34:07 <funkatron> also worry about its device tracking stuff
Nov 08 15:34:38 <Roy-Pre101> I believe the device ID's are now hashed.
Nov 08 15:35:04 <funkatron> yeah, I just don't want that happening at all in Spaz. it's a philosophy thing
Nov 08 15:35:08 <sugardave> I started playing around with a non-cloud mechanism that works by saving off the version which last showed a "what's new" message and compare it to a value for the new one, if they differ, show what's new
Nov 08 15:35:28 <sugardave> and then I just drop an html with the message
Nov 08 15:35:34 <funkatron> sugardave: yeah, that's what I was thinking too. I just am lazy and wanted to see if someone else had done it so I can steal it *D
Nov 08 15:35:40 <sugardave> haha
Nov 08 15:36:42 <sugardave> mine's in iHaveSpirit
Nov 08 15:38:01 <versp> i just had someone calling me asking me what i'm wearing...i'm rather worried
Nov 08 15:38:15 <funkatron> what *are* you wearing?
Nov 08 15:38:33 * versp runs for the hills
Nov 08 15:40:21 <funkatron> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5Snehl2bAk
Nov 08 15:41:11 <sugardave> is that going to be Iron Maiden?
Nov 08 15:41:18 <funkatron> of course
Nov 08 15:41:22 <sugardave> heh
Nov 08 15:41:38 <funkatron> everything should inspire an iron maiden link
Nov 08 16:04:42 <maik> mm, i could go for some iron maiden this morning
Nov 08 16:05:28 <maik> omg not at that bit rate
Nov 08 16:06:05 <maik> fuck advertisements before my videos, too :/
Nov 08 16:06:21 <maik> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xR4TZsZOPU&ob=av3n mmm
Nov 08 16:07:35 <maik> heh, and right below that is an advertisements for Katy Perry - Firework
Nov 08 16:52:19 <mfisch_> Where does the Mojo.log go on the emulator?
Nov 08 17:03:37 <sugardave> mfisch_: /var/log/messages
Nov 08 17:03:56 <MetaView> hiho
Nov 08 17:04:02 <sugardave> hi MetaView
Nov 08 17:04:02 <mfisch> sugardave: thanks, that was too obvious ;)
Nov 08 17:04:06 <sugardave> heh
Nov 08 17:04:46 <sugardave> they have a shortcut for tail -f:   log [some string] will tail it for you and grep for 'some string'
Nov 08 17:16:08 <sugardave> chuqui: what's new?
Nov 08 17:16:16 <chuqui> hey, happy monday.
Nov 08 17:16:23 <chuqui> sorry, owe you email. i got tied up friday.
Nov 08 17:16:37 <sugardave> s'okay, I was out of contact with the wired world for a long time anyway
Nov 08 17:41:37 <xbonesx> what's the newest advancement with the pixi kernel?
Nov 08 17:43:17 <xbonesx> warthog made it too a stable release yet?
Nov 08 17:51:53 <maik> xbonesx: we're mainly just app programmers, i think you want #webos-internals
Nov 08 17:57:20 <xbonesx> is there a new pixi kernel?
Nov 08 18:09:02 <nyceane> hey, anybody got their pdk laptop yet?
Nov 08 18:11:26 <teemu> pdk laptop?
Nov 08 18:12:29 <hotdp> yer
Nov 08 18:12:47 <hotdp> teemu the hot apps
Nov 08 18:12:53 <hotdp> the winners got a laptop
Nov 08 18:13:32 <teemu> ah
Nov 08 18:13:57 <teemu> Would anyone happen to know if it's possible to define body for PrototypeJS?
Nov 08 18:14:22 <teemu> By default Prototype will use the current body, but I'd to use it to a string that I have
Nov 08 18:15:33 <hotdp> What is the best html/js editor out there?
Nov 08 18:16:12 <teemu> notepad
Nov 08 18:16:25 <teemu> (a joke..)
Nov 08 18:39:37 <nyceane> hotdp, did you get your laptop yet?
Nov 08 18:42:16 <nyceane> is metaview here?
Nov 08 18:42:38 <nyceane> i m waiting for that laptop to play civilization 5
Nov 08 18:42:43 <nyceane> it crashes on my macbook -_-
Nov 08 18:43:09 <xbonesx> ive gone to the webos internals website for testing feeds, ive added the preware is awesome.com feed but im not finding the kernel???
Nov 08 18:43:09 <xbonesx>  is it not available anymore?
Nov 08 18:44:24 <nyceane> codeslaw
Nov 08 18:46:15 <nyceane> @codeslaw
Nov 08 18:48:17 <xbonesx> nyceane:?
Nov 08 18:48:34 <nyceane> xbones, did you win tier 4 in palm hot apps?
Nov 08 18:51:21 <xbonesx> ?
Nov 08 18:51:33 <xbonesx> i havent created any apps
Nov 08 19:07:59 <MetaView> hi
Nov 08 19:08:06 <MetaView> nyceane ?
Nov 08 19:08:18 <nyceane> metaview, did you get your hp envy 17 yet?
Nov 08 19:08:55 <MetaView> I opted for the hp shop code
Nov 08 19:09:09 <MetaView> I don't need a 3kg 17'' laptop
Nov 08 19:09:25 <MetaView> but haven't got anything yet
Nov 08 19:09:55 <nyceane> lol
Nov 08 19:09:57 <nyceane> 3kg -_-
Nov 08 19:10:21 <nyceane> I thought about shop code too, since I really wanted 2 of those 24 inch monitors and a printer
Nov 08 19:10:37 <nyceane> but I thought about getting the laptop to trade for those things
Nov 08 19:10:38 <MetaView> hp envy 17 is quite a heavy piece of hardware
Nov 08 19:10:48 <nyceane> I know, I really like the hp printers -_-
Nov 08 19:11:30 <MetaView> I won 2 shop codes and hope it will last for a good laptop and some backpack (if they have a backpack i nthe shop too)
Nov 08 19:11:46 <nyceane> I only won one =(
Nov 08 19:12:45 <MetaView> better than nothing :) others won 50k...
Nov 08 19:13:16 <nyceane> i want 50k lol
Nov 08 19:13:17 <MetaView> would go and buy a little hut with garden
Nov 08 19:13:40 <MetaView> you should be happy
Nov 08 19:14:11 <nyceane> I didn't win 50k =|
Nov 08 19:14:12 <MetaView> you made which game? glow hockey?
Nov 08 19:14:24 <MetaView> oh, I misread, sry
Nov 08 19:14:37 <nyceane> I want 50k lol -_-
Nov 08 19:14:44 <MetaView> me too :)
Nov 08 19:14:57 <MetaView> ok, kids need to go to bed
Nov 08 19:15:00 <MetaView> bbl
Nov 08 19:16:06 <nyceane> night
Nov 08 19:16:24 <hotdp> Still no input ont peoples farv html/js editor?
Nov 08 19:19:39 * haeffb_pre just uses eclipse/aptana
Nov 08 19:22:22 <funkatron> hotdp: TextMate
Nov 08 19:22:28 <funkatron> then I use AresDebug for debugging
Nov 08 19:22:59 <xbonesx> could someone assist me in getting the 900mhz kernel on a pixi please?
Nov 08 19:23:10 <dohtem> hi guys
Nov 08 19:23:17 <hotdp> xbonesx webos-internals
Nov 08 19:23:33 <xbonesx> ya im in their too... :( no luck on help yet
Nov 08 19:24:06 <iWinRar> http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/9/2010/11/fps.jpg
Nov 08 19:25:34 <xbonesx> iWinRar: lol
Nov 08 19:38:35 <SineOt> blehhh... I may need to trade this Pixi in sooner than I thought. :(
Nov 08 19:38:52 <SineOt> Keyboard backlight dying I can live with, but gesture area weirdness gets old fast!
Nov 08 19:39:45 <xbonesx> SineOt: how long have you had it?
Nov 08 19:39:58 <xbonesx> casual user or all dayer?
Nov 08 19:40:10 <SineOt> all dayer, tons of texter
Nov 08 19:40:30 <SineOt> it's... tapping itself in the bottom right corner of the screen @_@
Nov 08 19:41:22 <xbonesx> ya i get this thing on my pre where it looks like the reticle just chills after i do a down swipe on the screen to bring a card into focus
Nov 08 19:41:25 <SineOt> really wishing I had my webcam hooked up, holy smokes
Nov 08 19:41:37 <xbonesx> lol
Nov 08 19:42:32 <SineOt> and there it goes into a full restart!
Nov 08 19:42:46 <xbonesx> ouch... :S
Nov 08 19:43:20 <sugardave> funkatron: you should tweet that again with #pitchforks or something
Nov 08 19:50:47 <funkatron> agreed!
Nov 08 19:54:30 <SineOt> ahaha, :B
Nov 08 19:54:49 <SineOt> removing back cover to pull the battery... My Pixi touchstone cover started separating. AGAIN.
Nov 08 19:59:32 <SineOt> So, waiting on video of it to upload to dropbox... It managed, somehow, to send blank emails not once, but TWICE. :9
Nov 08 19:59:41 <SineOt> All by itself. Maybe the Pixi is what starts Skynet.
Nov 08 20:06:38 <SineOt> xbonesx: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/469264/PixiLovesToTouchItself.m4v watch it freak out :B
Nov 08 20:08:01 <dohtem> That title is loaded with innuendo.
Nov 08 20:08:25 <SineOt> Yes, it is. But that's basically what my phone decided would be cool to do. :C
Nov 08 20:17:50 <bugjar> is there a generic way to get the touched coordinates?
Nov 08 20:36:45 <ohjens> just installed 2.0b2. "palm-package" is not packing my images. sound familiar to anyone?
Nov 08 20:38:49 <haeffb_pre> sounds NDA
Nov 08 20:39:15 <xbonesx> theirs forums for that talk
Nov 08 20:39:25 <sugardave> there are?!?!
Nov 08 20:39:31 <ohjens> understood.
Nov 08 20:39:33 <xbonesx> dev community
Nov 08 20:39:37 <ohjens> think it's something silly
Nov 08 20:39:40 <xbonesx> forums
Nov 08 20:40:02 <SineOt> it's kind of dumb that even though there are shipping WebOS 2.0 devices in the wild now, the 2.0 SDK is -still- closed
Nov 08 20:40:53 <ohjens> yes it's frustrating.
Nov 08 20:41:26 <ohjens> can't figure out how to just search the one forum
Nov 08 20:42:58 <CTLAdvance> their search is bad
Nov 08 20:43:03 <CTLAdvance> just go into it
Nov 08 20:43:13 <CTLAdvance> otherwise this is under NDA.
Nov 08 20:43:37 <sugardave> forum search is actually alright, but you have to use the correct search box (hint: NOT the one at the top of the page)
Nov 08 20:46:24 <SineOt> I wonder when it's going to open to everyone. Did the NDA have an expiration date?
Nov 08 20:46:36 <ohjens> the one at the bottom of the page returns nothing for "palm-package". or "just type" or "palm" for that matter
Nov 08 20:46:42 <SineOt> Can you even say if the NDA had a contractual expiration date? P:
Nov 08 20:46:58 <sugardave> I don't think you can say, but I'm not sure (as that is probably under NDA as well)
Nov 08 20:47:51 <SineOt> Technically wouldn't even admitting that the NDA existed be disclosing something? P:
Nov 08 20:48:25 <sugardave> sure, be we can say "Chuqui said there was an NDA" in that case ;)
Nov 08 20:51:01 <chuqui> I'm not going there.
Nov 08 20:51:45 <SineOt> chuqui: any idea when the 2.0 SDK will open to everyone, since it's hardly "beta" if it's on shipping devices? :P
Nov 08 20:51:57 <sugardave> SineOt: SDK isn't on a device :P
Nov 08 20:52:01 <chuqui> exactly.
Nov 08 20:52:07 <chuqui> no, I can't offer a timeframe.
Nov 08 20:53:06 <SineOt> er, I mean 2.0 is on shipping devices, but the SDK is still closed. :p
Nov 08 20:56:40 <jamesderektate> hey guys
Nov 08 20:56:45 <jamesderektate> anyone know when admob email arrives?
Nov 08 20:56:51 <sugardave> SineOt: I have thought the same thing...it's more complicated now that there is a doctor for the Pre 2.
Nov 08 20:59:58 <jamesderektate> how quick does palm pay for app payments?
Nov 08 21:00:47 <oil> once a month if your balance is over $100?
Nov 08 21:00:58 <oil> up to a month after the month
Nov 08 21:01:03 <oil> (from what ive seen)
Nov 08 21:01:21 <jamesderektate> so i release an app middle of last month
Nov 08 21:01:28 <jamesderektate> it takes a month to provide a sales report?
Nov 08 21:01:33 <jamesderektate> on the day of sales report, i get paid?
Nov 08 21:01:52 <oil> something like that
Nov 08 21:01:52 <sugardave> 60-days net
Nov 08 21:02:00 <sugardave> for balances above $100
Nov 08 21:02:07 <jamesderektate> got ya
Nov 08 21:02:15 <jamesderektate> windows phone 7 blows
Nov 08 21:02:17 <jamesderektate> i checked it out
Nov 08 21:02:20 <sugardave> or 6 months after payments received if you don't get above $100
Nov 08 21:02:22 <oil> its about like this: http://i.imgur.com/GiTYW.jpg
Nov 08 21:02:22 <jamesderektate> no lines at any of the at&t stores in midtown
Nov 08 21:02:37 <jamesderektate> lol reddit
Nov 08 21:02:40 <oil> lol
Nov 08 21:02:44 <jamesderektate> reddit used to be good
Nov 08 21:02:44 <SineOt> the only honestly interesting WP7 bit of hardware is the Dell Venue Pro
Nov 08 21:02:46 <jamesderektate> sucks like digg now
Nov 08 21:02:55 <jamesderektate> i was up at 6am
Nov 08 21:02:59 <jamesderektate> went to all midtown at&t stores
Nov 08 21:03:02 <SineOt> and that's because it's ripping off the Pre!
Nov 08 21:03:12 <jamesderektate> no lines at all
Nov 08 21:04:14 <haeffb_pre> sales report for Oct is out now
Nov 08 21:04:16 <haeffb_pre> but not paid until later in the month
Nov 08 21:04:58 <haeffb_pre> like the 25th or so
Nov 08 21:06:22 <jamesderektate> you are right
Nov 08 21:06:25 <jamesderektate> i have my october report
Nov 08 21:07:13 <jamesderektate> great
Nov 08 21:07:23 <jamesderektate> that makes sense... thought it took 30 days from release... each month makes sense
Nov 08 21:07:28 <jamesderektate> i have never received any money from admob
Nov 08 21:07:32 <jamesderektate> im hoping that i get something...
Nov 08 21:07:32 * oil hasnt broken $100 in months, lol
Nov 08 21:07:48 <sugardave> just wait until you can sell wirc
Nov 08 21:07:49 <oil> though, i only have one paid app, that i havent updated in like a year, so im not exactly surprised
Nov 08 21:08:30 <jamesderektate> lol
Nov 08 21:08:36 <oil> lol, wirc
Nov 08 21:08:43 <jamesderektate> does anyone use admob?
Nov 08 21:08:45 <oil> while the plan is to catalog it, there is always problems in the way
Nov 08 21:08:53 * oil doesnt use apps which serve ads
Nov 08 21:08:58 <Anivrom|pre> I love you all
Nov 08 21:09:06 <oil> nor would i ever put my users through ads
Nov 08 21:09:07 <Anivrom|pre> And I blame oil for that
Nov 08 21:09:17 * oil is fine being blamed for love
Nov 08 21:09:24 <oil> ok, back to work time, bbl
Nov 08 21:09:26 <Anivrom|pre> Hugs
Nov 08 21:09:48 <SineOt> ads on the Pixi are pretty BS just for the fact that they're -massive-
Nov 08 21:10:03 <jamesderektate> you know thise 70% revenue share is BS
Nov 08 21:10:12 <Anivrom|pre> Anyone excited about the pre2? I'm kinda meh
Nov 08 21:10:14 <jamesderektate> if you make $1,000,000 on an app
Nov 08 21:10:19 <SineOt> and often times force stuff off the screen :<
Nov 08 21:10:24 <jamesderektate> you get $700,000 from any phone maker
Nov 08 21:10:33 <jamesderektate> after taxes (US)... you are left with about $350,000...
Nov 08 21:10:43 <jamesderektate> that's a hefty cut
Nov 08 21:10:55 <Anivrom|pre> Meh that's the governments fault
Nov 08 21:11:06 <jamesderektate> it'd be too hard to not pay taxes on the $700,000... IRS would definitely be waiting for it.
Nov 08 21:11:08 <Anivrom|pre> Sticking their filthy fingers in the private sector
Nov 08 21:11:23 <jamesderektate> Taxes amount to about 50%
Nov 08 21:11:33 <jamesderektate> with self employment + federal + state
Nov 08 21:11:45 <Anivrom|pre> Less government is more imo
Nov 08 21:11:55 <jamesderektate> $400 gross is just $280 after the 30% cut
Nov 08 21:12:01 <sugardave> it's all percentages...if you got 100% of the $1 mil, then at your example rate of maintaining 50% of that, you get $500 K
Nov 08 21:12:14 <jamesderektate> right but
Nov 08 21:12:15 <Anivrom|pre> I'm so glad the repubs have taken over. Lets repeal this aborton funding obamacare
Nov 08 21:12:21 <jamesderektate> you dont have a choice on the 70% revenue share you get...
Nov 08 21:12:25 <sugardave> 500K - 350K doesn't sound as bad as $1 mil, to $350 K
Nov 08 21:12:30 <jamesderektate> lol
Nov 08 21:12:39 <jamesderektate> but $1 mil to $350 K is exactly what happens.
Nov 08 21:13:06 <Anivrom|pre> Even though obama is just gonna veto it like a douche
Nov 08 21:13:20 <Anivrom|pre> Which is why he's a 1 termer
Nov 08 21:13:32 <jamesderektate> you're kidding
Nov 08 21:13:32 <Anivrom|pre> </rant>
Nov 08 21:13:40 <jamesderektate> the taxes were already set to rise since 2001 man
Nov 08 21:13:49 <jamesderektate> it's funny cause
Nov 08 21:13:56 <jamesderektate> the US has  a monopoly on where you can sell apps
Nov 08 21:13:57 <sugardave> jamesderektate: what I'm saying is, you still pay the exorbitant tax, so it's not like the terms of Palm's payment system make you pay any more or less percentage-wise...if anything, the govt gets less money from you after palm takes their cut
Nov 08 21:13:59 <jamesderektate> pretty much just US residents
Nov 08 21:14:08 <jamesderektate> right.
Nov 08 21:14:14 <jamesderektate> sugardave: I agree
Nov 08 21:14:23 <jamesderektate> Palm doesn't 1099 it looks like
Nov 08 21:14:27 <sugardave> no
Nov 08 21:14:34 <jamesderektate> neither does Apple
Nov 08 21:14:37 <jamesderektate> admob apparently 1099s
Nov 08 21:14:46 <Anivrom|pre> Bmyers in da houwwwsssseee
Nov 08 21:14:47 <SineOt> okay, realistically here for a second
Nov 08 21:14:57 <SineOt> if you're going to bitch about taxes on your 1 million dollar grossing app
Nov 08 21:15:01 <Bmyers> hi all
Nov 08 21:15:06 <SineOt> do so -after- you've sold your 1 million dollar grossing app :p
Nov 08 21:15:14 <Anivrom|pre> Lol
Nov 08 21:15:33 <rwhitby> as if someone with a 1 mil app is going to be in an IRC channel
Nov 08 21:15:53 <jamesderektate> lol
Nov 08 21:16:07 <Anivrom|pre> Well they would be in the iphone dev channel if anything rather than webos channel
Nov 08 21:16:14 <jamesderektate> there are a few people in the $500 K club in the android-dev IRC channel
Nov 08 21:16:17 <jamesderektate> but they don't say much
Nov 08 21:16:39 <jamesderektate> i think we will see that most of this app stuff...
Nov 08 21:16:44 <sugardave> rwhitby: once Real Time is released, you can say "except sugardave"
Nov 08 21:16:52 <jamesderektate> great money on the side, but in order to make real cash... quite hard without making games
Nov 08 21:17:01 <Anivrom|pre> Just the occasional, "bought a boathouse today cuz I felt like it"
Nov 08 21:17:08 <jamesderektate> maybe $500 K - $750 K a year tops on a blockbuster app
Nov 08 21:17:18 <Loudergood> yeah people love to bitch about taxes that they theoretically could pay maybe someday if they were rich
Nov 08 21:17:24 <SineOt> unless you're Tap Tap
Nov 08 21:17:38 <SineOt> Er, Tapulous
Nov 08 21:17:43 <rwhitby> you don't often hear really rich people bitching about taxes, do you.
Nov 08 21:17:43 <jamesderektate> Loudergood: it says a lot about opportunity... many people believe they can fairly make $ 1mil
Nov 08 21:17:44 <jamesderektate> it's good
Nov 08 21:18:01 <SineOt> I think they're making like 800K+ a month
Nov 08 21:18:35 <sugardave> rwhitby: in Texas they do, and the ones that aren't really reach but think stretching all available means of their credit, retirement plan loans, 2nd mortgages etc. to APPEAR rich bitch about it A LOT
Nov 08 21:18:52 <sugardave> s/reach/rich/
Nov 08 21:19:04 <jamesderektate> Tapulous got bought
Nov 08 21:19:06 <jamesderektate> By Disney
Nov 08 21:19:16 <jamesderektate> for a bubble-adjusted price
Nov 08 21:19:22 <jamesderektate> best money i see is making apps for companies or selling out
Nov 08 21:19:26 <SineOt> which is probably even better for them :p
Nov 08 21:19:34 <Anivrom|pre> TROOOOOoOOOOOOOOoooOoOoooOOOOoooonnnnnnnNNnNnnnnNnnn!!!
Nov 08 21:20:15 <SineOt> sugardave: well of course, what better way to make yourself sound rich than bitching about taxes for the top like, 2% of americans?
Nov 08 21:20:34 <SineOt> you'll sound poor if you bitch about the taxes for the middle 50%!
Nov 08 21:20:35 <Anivrom|pre> I have been playing through tron 2.0 the fps lately
Nov 08 21:20:45 <Anivrom|pre> Interesting side story
Nov 08 21:22:09 <sugardave> SineOt: I sound poor all the time, then :P
Nov 08 21:22:49 <SineOt> sugardave: nothing wrong with that. :p
Nov 08 21:23:12 <Anivrom|pre> sugardave: I AM poor all the time lol
Nov 08 21:23:37 <jamesderektate> let's recap
Nov 08 21:23:40 <jamesderektate> the october sales report
Nov 08 21:23:45 <jamesderektate> we get money into paypal on the 25th?
Nov 08 21:24:04 <sugardave> jamesderektate: maybe, or maybe next month (that was the original deal: 60 days after settled downloads)
Nov 08 21:24:17 <sugardave> but when I was getting paid (a year ago) it was more likely the next month
Nov 08 21:24:20 <sugardave> (this month, then)
Nov 08 21:25:37 <jamesderektate> got it
Nov 08 21:27:52 <jamesderektate> Yes
Nov 08 21:27:58 <jamesderektate> From the dev agreement, no later than 60 days
Nov 08 21:28:04 <jamesderektate> so either end of this month, or end of next month..
Nov 08 21:28:08 <sugardave> yep
Nov 08 21:29:46 <jamesderektate> do you remember how you get notified?
Nov 08 21:29:49 <jamesderektate> does palm send an email?
Nov 08 21:32:51 <sugardave> jamesderektate: no, you'll just get the regular paypal invoice
Nov 08 21:33:00 <jamesderektate> got it
Nov 08 22:41:04 <joetweeply> dude I finally managed to compile lua into my pdk app
Nov 08 22:41:56 <MetaView> cool
Nov 08 22:42:20 <joetweeply> I should write a tutorial on that, maybe it helps other people
Nov 08 22:42:24 <MetaView> now you port the warcraft emulator?
Nov 08 22:42:51 <joetweeply> nah, it's for my own game
Nov 08 22:43:01 <joetweeply> i thought just world of warcraft does lua?
Nov 08 22:44:01 <MetaView> is used in this open source warcraft remake too
Nov 08 22:44:06 <joetweeply> well I guess insomnia does have it's good sides
Nov 08 22:44:09 <MetaView> don't know the name right away
Nov 08 22:44:24 <joetweeply> oh i know what you mean i think
Nov 08 22:44:46 <MetaView> I was trying to port it over to PalmOS but the lua part crashed badly
Nov 08 22:45:15 <joetweeply> well it does work for me
Nov 08 22:45:37 <joetweeply> i'll write the tutorial then
Nov 08 22:45:47 <madnificent> are there any homebrew todo list apps that are being developed here?
Nov 08 22:45:52 <rsanchez_> hi
Nov 08 22:46:00 * madnificent misses a good GTD app
Nov 08 22:46:50 <rsanchez_> just wondering if anyone can help me get pdk set up on a linux box
Nov 08 22:46:57 <joetweeply> I considered once coding my own GTD-like app based on my custom modification of the system
Nov 08 22:47:01 <joetweeply> never came to it though
Nov 08 22:47:12 <rsanchez_> I know it's not officially supported, but maybe with wine or some other program...
Nov 08 22:47:30 <joetweeply> I dumped that idea rsanchez_ ... now i'm using an xp vm
Nov 08 22:47:45 <sugardave> madnificent: Done! by haeffb_pre is a GTD app, I believe
Nov 08 22:47:59 <madnificent> sugardave: Done! doesn't seem to have nested tasks
Nov 08 22:48:05 <rsanchez_> do you know if they have a linux version in the works?
Nov 08 22:48:14 <madnificent> which is something not purely GTD, but I really really really miss it
Nov 08 22:48:25 <sugardave> madnificent: talk to haeffb_pre maybe he can add it :D
Nov 08 22:49:03 <SineOt> Outline Tracker has nested tasks... I think
Nov 08 22:49:06 <madnificent> sugardave: I'd need to buy a pro membership too
Nov 08 22:49:16 <madnificent> SineOt: I can't buy apps in belgium :(
Nov 08 22:49:28 <madnificent> sugardave: that would be an option though
Nov 08 22:49:32 <madnificent> haeffb_pre: shout at me :)
Nov 08 22:49:33 <SineOt> there's a Lite version
Nov 08 22:49:38 <SineOt> but it limits you to 50 tasks
Nov 08 22:49:44 <madnificent> SineOt: which is rediculous
Nov 08 22:51:38 <madnificent> SineOt: besides the limitation, it looks fairly cool
Nov 08 22:52:14 <bugjar> rsanchez_, not https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=70&t=9039&sid=b29d5836c40666652df35a0b9df7f69e?
Nov 08 22:53:49 <bugjar> rsanchez_, sorry having trouble getting the title to the forum, but essentially "pdk on linux"
Nov 08 22:54:35 <rsanchez_> bugjar: nice! thanks for that
Nov 08 22:55:30 <xbonesx> my friend is now trying to get a different phone and is telling them its screwed up, they want to run an over the air software test, what things should he remove or do so that the company doesnt try to blame any of the homebrew srtuff?
Nov 08 22:55:30 <xbonesx>  stuff*
Nov 08 23:29:01 <rwhitby> ok, who wants to review my devday slides?
Nov 08 23:29:10 * halfhalo does
Nov 08 23:29:22 * haeffb will
Nov 08 23:29:52 <haeffb> madnificent: Done! does subtasks with a pro account. Only one level deep, though, as that's all that Toodledo supports
Nov 08 23:30:04 <SineOt> sure
Nov 08 23:33:30 <haeffb> wow. October was a much better month than September for app sales.
Nov 08 23:33:48 <madnificent> haeffb: hmmm, one level is a bit sad for the price you pay
Nov 08 23:34:21 <haeffb> it's what, $25 a year?
Nov 08 23:34:31 <madnificent> something like that, yes
Nov 08 23:34:41 <haeffb> but if you need more levels, then it certainly won't do.
Nov 08 23:34:43 <madnificent> thing is that I'm not sure that it's good enough for that money :)
Nov 08 23:34:56 * madnificent is bad at making choices
Nov 08 23:35:00 <haeffb> they'll give you a free trial for like a month.
Nov 08 23:35:03 * madnificent wants openloops for webos
Nov 08 23:35:09 <madnificent> haeffb: hey, that's interesting!
Nov 08 23:35:14 <haeffb> and you can DL done from Preware
Nov 08 23:35:18 <haeffb> so give it a shot.
Nov 08 23:35:22 <madnificent> I have done!
Nov 08 23:35:22 <haeffb> openloops?
Nov 08 23:35:44 <madnificent> it was an android app, really liked it
Nov 08 23:37:18 <haeffb> do they also have a web service?
Nov 08 23:37:36 <madnificent> they were building it, but I never saw it with a web service
Nov 08 23:38:16 <madnificent> a web service would be awesome, but the most important thing is that it makes your life easy to manage (and I used to back it up manually for safety)
Nov 08 23:38:46 <haeffb> manual backup is a little harder on webOS
Nov 08 23:39:29 <madnificent> haeffb: I'm willing to bet on it not crashing... it saves you _so_ much time, that I can spare some time
Nov 08 23:39:33 * halfhalo just checked his adsense account for the first time in months, and is liking the number
Nov 08 23:40:13 <madnificent> haeffb: if you're looking at building another todo list kind of thing, that would be a safe bet
Nov 08 23:40:27 <haeffb> I've never used it, though...
Nov 08 23:40:42 <madnificent> haeffb: if you want to make something different, I'm willing to create the web service! (MIT, if I can have my way)
Nov 08 23:42:00 <haeffb> I've got another project that I'm working on at the moment...but if I could find the time I'd be willing to collaborate.
Nov 08 23:42:31 <madnificent> haeffb: if you throw the URLs and effect of calling those URLs towards me, I'll be searching for time to implement it ^_^
Nov 08 23:45:57 <haeffb> openloopz looks interesting... but does it support subtasks?
Nov 08 23:46:13 <madnificent> haeffb: yup, at any level
Nov 08 23:46:48 <madnificent> haeffb: what it mainly did, was its job
Nov 08 23:48:48 <haeffb> yeah, nice.
Nov 08 23:49:17 <madnificent> it certainly wasn't perfect
Nov 09 00:00:23 <dawm_> LOL
Nov 09 00:00:32 <dawm_> 1.
Nov 09 00:00:32 <dawm_> Go to Google maps. 2. Go to "Get Directions." 3. Type Japan as the start
Nov 09 00:00:32 <dawm_> location. 4. Type China as the end location. 5. Go to direction#43
Nov 09 00:00:50 <SineOt> JETSKIS
Nov 09 00:01:33 <dawm_> omg
Nov 09 00:01:38 <dawm_> i found a better one
Nov 09 00:02:06 <dawm_> go from japan to california, then goto step 27
Nov 09 00:03:40 <dawm_> also step 38
Nov 09 00:04:57 <SineOt> I love that Hawaii has interstate H1 P:
Nov 09 00:15:22 <Chase215> is there a way to download ipk game files without a computer for free please help ;)
Nov 09 00:15:37 <halfhalo> you mean pirating?
Nov 09 00:15:59 <Chase215> is that what that is ????
Nov 09 00:16:04 <SineOt> yes
Nov 09 00:16:17 <SineOt> are you really that dense ;_;
Nov 09 00:16:28 <Chase215> no
Nov 09 00:16:40 <Chase215> and yes ;)
Nov 09 00:17:16 <Chase215> is there a way?
Nov 09 00:17:34 <halfhalo> yeah, you come into an irc channel full of app devs asking for help stealing a game that someone hear probly wrote, good luck with that
Nov 09 00:17:38 <SineOt> you're in a channel full of people who develop those paid applications
Nov 09 00:17:48 <SineOt> no one will help you, so yes, you are that dense, lol
Nov 09 00:17:58 <Chase215> lol
Nov 09 00:18:20 <Chase215> I'm just teasing you guys looked bored
Nov 09 00:18:30 <Chase215> pretty quite in here ;)
Nov 09 00:19:15 <Chase215> great work on your accompliments might I add ;)
Nov 09 00:19:48 <Chase215> I f I had the money I would spend a million dollars on you guy work
Nov 09 00:19:53 <Chase215> :)
Nov 09 00:21:01 <Chase215> but just lost my job and the economys kick my @ss
Nov 09 00:22:16 <Chase215> soooo SineOt how long have you been a developer?
Nov 09 00:22:41 <SineOt> been working on a few things for a few months now
Nov 09 00:23:08 <Chase215> how's it coming along?
Nov 09 00:24:02 <Chase215> or should I say how are they coming along ;)
Nov 09 00:24:16 <Chase215> what are you working on?
Nov 09 00:25:30 <Chase215> ZzzZzZzzzZzZ :O
Nov 09 00:26:06 <Chase215> you guys have a good one ;)
Nov 09 00:27:25 <haeffb> Darn, I was just getting ready to tell Chase215 how to steal apps. And he left. Bummer.
Nov 09 00:28:03 <halfhalo> I loved how he tried to come back with the "im just teasing" excuse
Nov 09 00:29:56 <haeffb> kids these days have no imagination.
Nov 09 00:30:48 <SineOt> and no google skills because I'm sure it would have taken all of 30 seconds to find an answer
Nov 09 00:31:04 <halfhalo> I personally would have gone with "Its for a school project on the subjective ease of unauthorized intellectual property procurement on the major mobile device operating systems" myself
Nov 09 00:35:25 <SineOt> You can pretty much do anything for a school paper.
Nov 09 00:35:58 <SineOt> "Sampling (hetero)sexuality: diva-ness and discipline in electronic dance music," "Cyborgs, fembots and posthumans: electronic dance music and the biopolitics of fucking machines"
Nov 09 00:36:05 <SineOt> It's a real paper. :3c
Nov 09 00:37:10 <SineOt> Part of the abstract: "They already engineer digital soul divas, aural cyborgs, Nintendo's voluptuously overdrawn robo-bimbos, and the supernaturally and surgically perfect bodies purchased at Lasers R' US." ROBO-BIMBOS.
Nov 09 00:52:55 <haeffb> robo-bimbos!
Nov 09 01:33:06 <Bmyers> haeffb_:  !!
Nov 09 01:39:48 <haeffb_> where'd I go?
Nov 09 01:40:18 <haeffb> Bmyers!!!
Nov 09 01:40:33 <Bmyers> i thought you were just being snooty
Nov 09 01:58:27 <haeffb> no, just cooking chili, drinking beer and listening to high school football.
Nov 09 01:59:04 <Bmyers> steelers are whomping on the bengals
Nov 09 01:59:27 <halfhalo> I bet
Nov 09 01:59:54 <haeffb> Macon's only loss was to this team two weeks ago in the final regular season game. They're now in the playoffs and winning 28-0.
Nov 09 02:00:24 <haeffb> Four 1-play drives.
Nov 09 02:00:32 <Bmyers> geeze
Nov 09 02:00:33 <haeffb> And two fumbles. Haven't punted.
Nov 09 02:00:48 * halfhalo doesn't follow football since he doesn't have a team near him
Nov 09 02:02:13 <Tibfib> hmmm. my list won't scroll to bottom in my scene setup.
Nov 09 02:02:31 <haeffb> kick it in the model.
Nov 09 02:02:51 <Tibfib> but it will scroll to bottom if I add items, then try to scroll. but if there are already items and I try to scroll to bottom in the setup, it dies.
Nov 09 02:03:01 <Tibfib> haeffb: didn't work
Nov 09 02:03:26 <haeffb> drat. That usually works for me.
Nov 09 02:04:57 <Tibfib> It acts like this.controller.get('scroller') is undefined.
Nov 09 02:05:02 <Tibfib> when it has already been setup.
Nov 09 02:08:50 * Tibfib doens't get it.
Nov 09 02:09:07 * Tibfib also doesn't get it.
Nov 09 02:13:18 <haeffb> strange
Nov 09 02:13:46 <haeffb> Macon has 4 turnovers, but still up 28-0.
Nov 09 02:13:51 <Tibfib> lol
Nov 09 02:14:09 * Tibfib hacked it to work
Nov 09 02:14:43 <haeffb> yeay
Nov 09 02:14:47 <haeffb> halftime
Nov 09 02:15:21 <iWinRar> hi folks
Nov 09 02:40:08 <haeffb> 2-play drive. 67-yard TD. 35-0 to start the 2nd half
Nov 09 02:41:42 <SineOt> speaking of football... this kid is awesome http://www.neatorama.com/2010/11/08/middle-school-football-team-scores-touchdown-with-brilliant-play/
Nov 09 02:43:12 <Tibfib> heh. I saw that on the news earlier
Nov 09 02:43:36 <haeffb> another 2-play drive after the other team fumbles. 42-0
Nov 09 02:53:29 <iWinRar> crap
Nov 09 02:53:34 <iWinRar> i might jump to verizon
Nov 09 02:53:42 <iWinRar> 70$ unlimited plan
Nov 09 02:55:50 <rwhitby> hey iWinRar. Pre2Telethon is going well - over $1300 so far
Nov 09 02:56:32 <JenP> hi all
Nov 09 02:56:37 <iWinRar> nice :) find someone to take over, my hand is doing well
Nov 09 02:56:46 <haeffb> Verizon won't sell to me.
Nov 09 02:56:47 <iWinRar> and my great grandpa just died :(
Nov 09 02:56:53 <rwhitby> iWinRar: Cantaffordit has taken up the reigns.
Nov 09 02:57:06 <rwhitby> iWinRar: be with your family, man. that's the important stuff.
Nov 09 02:57:13 <iWinRar> yea i was all day
Nov 09 02:57:15 <rwhitby> hey JenP
Nov 09 02:57:22 <JenP> hi rod!
Nov 09 02:57:26 <JenP> send me that link again
Nov 09 02:57:27 <iWinRar> he died sunday
Nov 09 02:57:44 <JenP> iWinRar i'm so sorry to hear that.
Nov 09 02:57:50 <haeffb> iWinRar: Condolences.
Nov 09 02:57:55 <iWinRar> thanks :)
Nov 09 02:58:27 <Tibfib> iWinRar: hope all is well
Nov 09 02:58:51 <iWinRar> well it wasnt a huge shock i mean he was 87
Nov 09 02:59:04 <iWinRar> is health was going back and forth for the past year
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