**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Nov 10 02:59:57 2010 Nov 10 03:01:56 Haha Nov 10 03:01:59 Old Keen Studios suxored Nov 10 03:10:12 New one does too Nov 10 04:08:19 dawm: Ping! Nov 10 04:25:03 hmm can you set border-radius with javascript Nov 10 04:25:15 to the cloud! Nov 10 04:27:55 * phil_bw wanders by Nov 10 04:27:59 anybody awake? Nov 10 04:28:18 no, I'm asleep ;3 Nov 10 04:29:00 crap Nov 10 04:29:03 :P Nov 10 04:29:26 I want to rip a dvd and put it on my Pre, never done this, any suggestions? Nov 10 04:29:48 Handbrake.fr Nov 10 04:30:58 tried that Nov 10 04:31:03 had dvd errors Nov 10 04:31:16 did you decrypt the dvd first? Nov 10 04:31:26 no? Nov 10 04:32:12 I don't know any of this Nov 10 04:43:22 * phil_bw wanders back Nov 10 05:15:10 http://www.iphonedownloadblog.com/2010/11/09/sauriks-ted-talk-even-software-should-have-screws/ <- good presentation, mentions Preware at 10:25 Nov 10 05:48:31 hi dkirker Nov 10 05:48:44 anyone in here good with PHP? Nov 10 05:48:55 decent Nov 10 05:49:12 would you mind helping trblsht a problem? Nov 10 05:49:18 I could try :) Nov 10 05:49:26 kk one sec i'll pastebin Nov 10 05:49:35 sure Nov 10 05:49:43 you can paste in a query too if you want Nov 10 05:50:34 http://pastebin.com/VtVqYUim Nov 10 05:51:01 so this is what i'm trying to parse Nov 10 05:51:01 http://www.google.com/ig/api?weather=,,,37390000,122040000 Nov 10 05:51:32 my app sends this value Nov 10 05:51:33 http://www.vocshopgames.com/twt_testing/twtim Nov 10 05:51:33 age.php?latitude=37390000&longitude=122040000 Nov 10 05:51:46 one sec Nov 10 05:51:49 kk Nov 10 05:54:40 I'm sorry I don't know... :( Nov 10 05:54:49 it's ok i think i've got it Nov 10 05:54:53 didn't change a variable name Nov 10 05:55:01 I haven't played with XML parsing in PHP Nov 10 05:55:10 the old "explaining it to someone else" bug fix Nov 10 05:55:17 no worries. I appreciate your looking Nov 10 05:55:26 np Nov 10 05:55:27 lol Nov 10 05:57:45 I parsed a LOT of xml in my PalmOS days and still have nightmares... :( Nov 10 05:57:59 lol I live in XML Nov 10 05:58:20 I've since changed my ways Nov 10 05:58:27 now I'm knee deep in OpenGL Nov 10 06:01:29 time for me to get back to work. Ttyall tomorrow Nov 10 06:01:38 Rod Josh will be sending images soon Nov 10 06:01:40 nite Nov 10 06:05:42 i dont want to go to this wake tomorrow :( Nov 10 06:07:27 * phil_bw wanders off Nov 10 06:47:25 ttfn Nov 10 07:39:14 anyone here own "javascript the definitive guide" by flanagan? (aka the oreilly "rhino book") Nov 10 08:08:21 Good morning Nov 10 08:13:12 anyone here own "javascript the definitive guide" by flanagan? (aka the oreilly "rhino book") Nov 10 08:23:43 nope Nov 10 08:29:00 it's a decent book but has some confusing passages on mimicing java like class behavior. do you have a favorite book for clear exposition on advanced JS? Nov 10 08:33:47 No sorry, learning by doing Nov 10 08:34:29 totally agree but much easier when you have a well written book that explains the gotchas Nov 10 08:35:10 been typing code snippets into venkman while reading Nov 10 08:35:53 prototypal inheritance & the many faces of "this" can be mind bending on first encounter Nov 10 08:41:36 <[AD]Turbo> yo all Nov 10 08:44:36 bartholemew agree, if you don't know anything about it. Nov 10 08:44:40 morning turbo Nov 10 11:57:56 Hey what would be the best way to log large variable? Nov 10 11:58:37 I'd need to dump this variable Nov 10 11:58:50 Mojo.Log.info seems either not to work or has some sort of limitation Nov 10 11:59:31 is it the amount og lenght? Nov 10 11:59:48 umm.. what? :) Nov 10 12:02:02 "Mojo.Log.info seems either not to work or has some sort of limitation" <-- Nov 10 12:02:25 Do you have a loong log OR is there many "items" ? Nov 10 12:05:16 or dump it to the app body Nov 10 12:05:50 hotdp: oh it's probably just too large Nov 10 12:06:02 I get it Nov 10 12:06:24 if it is temp do as Bmyers says Nov 10 12:06:27 Bmyers: how would I do that? Nov 10 12:06:51 get your data and set some innerHTML div Nov 10 12:08:09 ah, ok Nov 10 12:43:41 welcome back swisstomcat Nov 10 12:43:49 afternoon Nov 10 12:43:58 puh, 5 hour trainride from munich Nov 10 12:44:11 how was it? Nov 10 12:44:22 pretty good Nov 10 12:44:25 no phones tho :( Nov 10 12:45:13 some sessions were very interesting Nov 10 12:46:23 so it was worth the trip? Nov 10 12:46:42 more or less, yeah Nov 10 12:46:51 oki Nov 10 12:46:56 and it was free, except train and hotel Nov 10 12:47:21 i think i saw an the twitter that there where not to many people sometimes? Nov 10 12:49:12 will you buy your pre in uk? Nov 10 12:57:46 1100 people total Nov 10 12:57:55 some sessions were really crowded Nov 10 12:58:05 i will wait a bit with the pre 2 Nov 10 13:32:18 oki swisstomcat Nov 10 13:32:39 would be cool if i could order one from the UK Nov 10 13:32:44 i wonder about app store access Nov 10 13:32:50 same here! Nov 10 13:32:56 it is a massive problem Nov 10 13:33:09 But i HOPE they change it now when they sell like that Nov 10 14:50:49 http://www.ihighfive.com/ Nov 10 15:08:52 :) Nov 10 15:09:57 I don't get this. My regexp works in Firefox but not on emulator Nov 10 15:54:48 Hej Nov 10 15:56:08 hoi Nov 10 15:57:32 rehi Nov 10 16:02:39 What's wrong with me... How do I get what's inside a span? Nov 10 16:02:48 Suppose there's only text, how do I get it? Nov 10 16:02:52 I have the element Nov 10 16:03:55 it's like textContent or innerHTML might work Nov 10 16:04:45 After firstChild? Nov 10 16:05:13 no, like this.controller.get(spanId).textContent Nov 10 16:06:22 if textContent isn't it, try innerHTML (might work for you if there aren't tags in the span) Nov 10 16:09:42 hmm yea innerHTML seems to work Nov 10 16:12:15 teemu: there's also innerText (though I also see textContent) Nov 10 16:14:23 Yea. I have trouble getting the value.. Nov 10 16:14:35 hmm Nov 10 16:14:35 With a simple test I get it but this.. Nov 10 16:14:46 I have to check somehow it's really there Nov 10 16:34:11 * phil_bw wanders by Nov 10 16:34:20 move along people, nothing to see here Nov 10 16:34:35 * phil_bw moves along Nov 10 16:34:36 except the dead hippies Nov 10 16:34:55 halfhalo, why are there dead hippies in the living room? Nov 10 16:35:02 ah, thought I smelled somethin Nov 10 16:35:03 carrrrrlllllllll Nov 10 16:35:19 you dropped the toaster in the kiddie pool again maik... Nov 10 16:35:42 but, why were there hippies in the kid... you know what, i don't want to know Nov 10 16:35:52 YOU INVITED THEM Nov 10 16:35:59 if they're going to play around water and electronics i'm not going to dead with it when they get themselves killed Nov 10 16:36:06 i do not recall Nov 10 16:39:48 you wouldn't Nov 10 16:39:56 morning all Nov 10 16:56:07 Morning LoneStar99 Nov 10 17:00:06 morning hotdp Nov 10 17:00:24 here configuring an NGINX server Nov 10 17:00:45 I was doing that earlier today... then I realized I hated nginx and went back to cherokee Nov 10 17:03:38 it is kinda late for me, need to get some mod rewrites working with NGINX Nov 10 17:03:57 * halfhalo_ does all that via cherokee's web admin interface Nov 10 17:03:58 first install of nginx usually use apache 2.x Nov 10 17:04:01 GUI FTW Nov 10 17:04:43 hey guys Nov 10 17:05:23 hmmm everyone asleep? Nov 10 17:05:35 hi msd18 Nov 10 17:05:46 hows it going Nov 10 17:06:20 halfhalo_: cherokee seems cool, wish i heard of it some days ago Nov 10 17:07:13 ok question i have eclipse on my pc how do i get the palm sdk plugin to work on it Nov 10 17:07:46 cuse i tryed the way the website said but appearently the eclipse cant access the site Nov 10 17:08:02 msd18 u need to install the SDK Nov 10 17:08:07 i have it installed Nov 10 17:08:26 but i run a portable eclipse Nov 10 17:09:05 LoneStar99: yup. Its basically nginx with a gui (and a lack of passenger... sadface) Nov 10 17:09:27 msd18 portable eclipse ? Nov 10 17:09:42 website has a zip file non install just run the app Nov 10 17:09:57 oh, i see, that may be the problem Nov 10 17:10:17 and i need this crap to work T.T Nov 10 17:11:22 do i use Eclipse IDE for Java Developers Nov 10 17:12:32 or Eclipse IDE for JavaScript Web Developers Nov 10 17:13:07 msd18: you need this file eclipse-SDK-3.6.1-win32-x86_64.zip Nov 10 17:13:17 link? Nov 10 17:13:21 or 32 if you are running windows 32 Nov 10 17:13:35 im running 64bit Nov 10 17:13:43 for a link for me Nov 10 17:13:49 msd18: http://uoid.me/ide1 Nov 10 17:15:23 ok now after thats installed how do i make the plugin work Nov 10 17:16:32 it just works, use Aptana view and you'll have a webOS application as a 'New Project' target Nov 10 17:17:44 ok Nov 10 17:17:58 msd18: just follow the steps here: http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1639 Nov 10 17:18:05 is it easly to write apps Nov 10 17:18:16 install aptana plugin etc... Nov 10 17:18:20 omg no...give up now Nov 10 17:19:01 lol yay a challenge Nov 10 17:19:17 dammit, we try to make it sound difficult Nov 10 17:19:20 the truth is Nov 10 17:19:22 it's TOO EASY Nov 10 17:19:25 ok when i did the https://cdn.downloads.palm.com/sdkdownloads/eclipse-update-site/site.xml it told me that it dont have permission to access the file Nov 10 17:19:27 lol Nov 10 17:19:46 weird Nov 10 17:19:48 inya Nov 10 17:19:57 let me get the exact error Nov 10 17:20:51 msd18: i get the same error Nov 10 17:21:05 how does that get fiixed Nov 10 17:21:16 ah wait Nov 10 17:21:21 its working now o.o Nov 10 17:22:01 thats odd Nov 10 17:22:53 hey is the homebrew app contest still going? Nov 10 17:23:15 lol Nov 10 17:28:38 can the apps be written solely in js or does it need an html interface? Nov 10 17:29:23 i think i once read about a push service built in in webos, but can't find it anymore... if i remind correctly, it was able to transfer XML messages between cloud and phone?. Nov 10 17:34:16 can someone enlighten me? Nov 10 17:34:57 (i want a efficient way for my application to get an push event from the cloud (my server), without using cpu cycles, bandwidth, or polling Nov 10 17:35:52 gona be working hardcore after the 15th -_- Nov 10 17:35:59 to port this app to WebOS =D Nov 10 17:36:24 any one here a low level linux programmer Nov 10 17:36:52 define low level Nov 10 17:37:18 hardware lever Nov 10 17:37:31 oh, no, I've never done drivers or anything Nov 10 17:37:32 i plan on doing something new for the homebrew contest Nov 10 17:37:53 i wanna be able 2 port ubuntu to palm pixi allowing users to use it as a pc Nov 10 17:39:19 that would be... a _lot_ of work Nov 10 17:39:22 so i need a low level linux programmer Nov 10 17:39:31 true it would be alot of work Nov 10 17:39:43 but at the same time would defo win the contest would it not Nov 10 17:39:53 not a clue Nov 10 17:40:20 it seems like something not that many people would use, and the screen size on the pixi (or pre) probably doesn't lend itself to using ubuntu in any real way Nov 10 17:40:35 not true Nov 10 17:40:39 DThought: it was called Mojo Messaging Service...and it has never materialized Nov 10 17:40:48 as u know how to resize the screen Nov 10 17:41:03 what? Nov 10 17:41:17 u know how to use the zoom feature in pixi using 2 fingers Nov 10 17:41:28 msd18: what homebrew app contest? Nov 10 17:41:39 you're advocating 2-finger zoom on a full ubuntu desktop? Nov 10 17:41:45 I wish you the best of luck Nov 10 17:42:15 sugar let me get u the info Nov 10 17:42:33 and summatusmentis it would be a start would it not Nov 10 17:42:41 sort of Nov 10 17:43:36 summatusmentis: after being able to port it successfully we can make improvements but as a start it would work Nov 10 17:43:49 if u didnt know the htc leo already runs ubuntu Nov 10 17:43:50 have you ever tried running ubuntu on a 500mhz box? Nov 10 17:43:55 ya i have Nov 10 17:44:00 htc leo Nov 10 17:44:07 oh, I know it can be done, that doesn't mean it should be :) Nov 10 17:44:24 I used to run debian + kde on my Sharp Zaurus 3200 Nov 10 17:44:29 xD Nov 10 17:45:09 how did that work for ya Nov 10 17:45:14 the leo has a 1GHz cpu, fwiw Nov 10 17:45:25 it was... painful Nov 10 17:45:30 really, really slow Nov 10 17:45:36 rofl ya i kno leo does Nov 10 17:45:42 i was on the dev project Nov 10 17:45:56 i worked with decordes Nov 10 17:46:08 so it'll be more painful on a 500mhz box ;) Nov 10 17:46:17 hmmmm not really Nov 10 17:46:21 running minimal Nov 10 17:47:04 well, good luck :) Nov 10 17:48:01 sugardave: what a pity :-/ anything similar, or do i need to revert and hijack pidgin or a selfmade plugin? Nov 10 17:48:29 * pandora-- waves Nov 10 17:48:41 summatusmentis: lol zaurus Nov 10 17:48:53 summatusmentis: i had the agenda vr3 Nov 10 17:48:56 pandora--: at the time, it was the only thing that matched what I wanted :) Nov 10 17:49:07 I had a 5500 and a 3200 Nov 10 17:49:14 the a Nokia n810 Nov 10 17:49:40 o.o Nov 10 17:50:07 why isnt wirc ported to pixi yet Nov 10 17:51:44 ask the wirc maker :D Nov 10 17:51:59 o.o Nov 10 17:52:04 i see it for emulator Nov 10 17:52:10 but not device Nov 10 17:55:41 hey is it possible to port the text base irc all lynx to the fone and use terminal to run t Nov 10 17:57:13 oh wait Nov 10 17:57:16 bitch the irc client Nov 10 17:57:17 xD Nov 10 17:57:43 bitchx Nov 10 17:57:57 brb Nov 10 18:25:02 codeslaw stops coming here =( Nov 10 18:44:01 nyceane: codeslaw has dissappeared from #webos? Nov 10 19:37:00 Who's here? Nov 10 19:37:06 not me Nov 10 19:37:51 not sure where I went either Nov 10 19:38:47 i am Nov 10 19:40:18 im here Nov 10 19:44:39 not here Nov 10 19:45:05 lol lier Nov 10 19:45:44 Anybody I know/care about? Nov 10 19:55:56 swisstomcat: is it cold in suisse now? Nov 10 19:56:07 yeah Nov 10 19:56:09 and rainy Nov 10 19:58:06 wow, cold and rain =( Nov 10 19:58:21 i like cold but no rain, or rain but not cold Nov 10 19:59:07 heh, sounds like Vermont Nov 10 20:03:33 does anyone know of a music player app that doesn't suck battery when it's left open? Nov 10 20:04:08 I'm using Music Player Remix 2.0 right now Nov 10 20:04:16 or, the beta of, technically Nov 10 20:04:26 yay my app is published Nov 10 20:08:39 summatusmentis: do you just want to play radio? Nov 10 20:08:54 joetweeply: nice =) Nov 10 20:08:55 no, mp3 files on my /media/internal Nov 10 20:09:00 oh ok Nov 10 20:09:05 thanks =) Nov 10 20:09:16 radio kills more battery than local files :) Nov 10 20:09:31 summatusmentis: yeah probably cuss of wifi Nov 10 20:09:42 still working on this tutorial for porting lua into a pdk app Nov 10 20:09:46 well, just using the data connection in general is battery consuming Nov 10 20:09:56 whereas if you're not using the data, it's not as active Nov 10 20:10:12 I've also found that if you get consistent wifi, it's better on battery than evdo Nov 10 20:10:58 How do people add line breaks into their app catalog descriptions? Nov 10 20:11:30 http://developer.palm.com/blog/2010/11/how-to-add-line-breaks-to-your-app-description-in-the-catalog/ kesne Nov 10 20:13:26 So just havving the "&" adds a linebreak? Nov 10 20:14:20 hi all Nov 10 20:15:15 hey Nov 10 20:15:34 wow interesting, that there is a blog on line breaks =) Nov 10 20:17:38 codeslaw Nov 10 20:17:49 wow, hes never here =| Nov 10 20:27:59 100/5 line! Nov 10 20:28:09 <- rul0r now! :) Nov 10 20:28:11 ;) Nov 10 20:32:04 nyceane: maybe he just doesn't like you? Nov 10 20:46:15 DThought: you'd definitely have to write your own, or wait until 2.0 is out and see if there's something in there (I have no idea if there is, but you never know) Nov 10 20:47:42 sugardave: thanks... Well, I'll see. Gotta check my options Nov 10 20:49:01 I saw Tibfib and kesne talking about something called APE last night....ajax push engine, but I never got around to seeing how it is exactly that system does a "javascript socket" Nov 10 20:55:29 sugardave: does that mean there is no socket capacity in javascript? Nov 10 20:55:33 I guess that makes sense Nov 10 20:55:38 no sockets Nov 10 20:56:13 not that I would know what to do with them if there were some, I've never done socket programming :D Nov 10 20:56:15 so if I want a socket, I'm stuck using PDF stuff Nov 10 20:56:23 PDK* Nov 10 20:56:30 yeah, pretty much Nov 10 20:56:30 muscle-memory Nov 10 20:56:49 APE is cool Nov 10 21:02:07 Grape Ape Nov 10 21:10:02 Grape in the mouth? Nov 10 21:16:43 purple Nov 10 21:18:17 wtf Nov 10 21:18:42 summatusmentis: node has socket stuff Nov 10 21:25:30 oil: oh yeah, that's true, I do remember reading that Nov 10 21:47:38 dawm!!! Nov 10 22:22:00 * haeffb now officially on vacation. Nov 10 22:22:19 haha Nov 10 22:22:20 yay! \o/ Nov 10 22:22:35 * oil leaves in a week Nov 10 22:22:47 technically, tomorrow is a holiday. friday and all next week vacation. Nov 10 22:22:59 Going to NYC from Missouri via Kansas Nov 10 22:23:20 lol Nov 10 22:24:10 * oil is going to drive 2 hours over the mountains to seattle next thursday at like 1am Nov 10 22:24:55 * halfhalo_ thinks oil is gonna crash Nov 10 22:25:34 naw, it will be good Nov 10 22:25:44 1am, get to seattle like 2 Nov 10 22:25:46 like 3* Nov 10 22:25:54 fly out at 6 Nov 10 22:25:58 lol Nov 10 22:26:27 trucks got 4wd Nov 10 22:26:37 * oil has driven over the pass many many times Nov 10 22:26:53 * halfhalo_ car has like 1wd Nov 10 22:27:17 * SineOt 's car... Is kind of awesome. Yay fleet vehicles. Nov 10 22:28:06 yeah, my car wouldnt make it Nov 10 22:28:10 lol Nov 10 22:28:28 mine might if there is no ice/show Nov 10 22:28:34 if there is, it makes it... interesting Nov 10 22:28:47 1999 S10 LS, with towing package and the utility package, garaged all its life, 43,000 miles. XD Nov 10 22:28:47 and by interresting, you mean, sideways Nov 10 22:29:07 That, or upside down Nov 10 22:29:16 03 V6 highlander Nov 10 22:29:22 ive only gotten stuck once going over the pass Nov 10 22:29:24 but i wasnt driving Nov 10 22:29:56 Never been on snow/ice in this car, only in the pos volvo suv Nov 10 22:30:19 '01 Dakota quad cab 4wd v8. Goes anywhere I want it to whenever I want it to. Nov 10 22:30:21 3.2L v6 FWD and weighed more than everything else in the world combined Nov 10 22:32:59 but then again... this is socal, we don't have weather Nov 10 22:34:55 I wonder if I should post a link to my article on how to port lua to the pdk in the developer forums or so Nov 10 22:36:14 maybe on http://www.webos101.com ? Nov 10 22:37:14 Ok, gotta start packing. What's appropriate attire for a dev day? Nov 10 22:37:31 And, my tux is at the dry cleaners, so don't go there. Nov 10 22:37:31 nothing Nov 10 22:37:36 good idea haeffb thanks Nov 10 22:37:54 totally no pants for that haeffb Nov 10 22:38:24 I can wear my bball shorts and a cutoff T. Nov 10 22:38:34 and flip flops Nov 10 22:38:40 but it may be cold in New York Nov 10 22:48:16 haeffb: http://www.nexternal.com/masquerade/images/9733-m.jpg Nov 10 22:48:49 I like it. Especially the tiger stripe lapels. Nov 10 22:48:52 that's what everyone else is wearing... you wouldn't want to be left out. Nov 10 22:49:10 or worse, look like a fool! Nov 10 22:55:29 does anyone on here have a pixi at hands to test my app? I just got an email it makes problems on there Nov 10 22:58:01 joetweeply: not at the moment, but maybe later this evening. Nov 10 22:58:58 then i'd love some help with my app Feeding Eugene.. it's free in the catalog. Someone wrote me it does not work Nov 10 22:59:10 I'd really appreciate some help if you have the time Nov 10 23:08:23 ah dude no... not the fstab error ~~ Nov 10 23:10:34 Tibfib: Do anything with APE yet? Nov 10 23:32:40 is there a way to have the Terminal application adapt so that text isn't covered by notifications and clock? Nov 10 23:34:21 probably Nov 10 23:34:43 hmm - actually, maybe not. Nov 10 23:35:09 it may have to be turned into a true hybrid for that, rather than the NPAPI plugin that it is now Nov 10 23:35:14 ah Nov 10 23:43:07 so uh, anybody around here good with texture mapping in OpenGL ES1.1? Nov 10 23:43:26 hey phil_bw Nov 10 23:43:32 'sup SineOt Nov 10 23:44:54 I'm still not fully keen on the system's architecture, Nov 10 23:45:29 rwhitby: would it be possible to use a shell program written in C as the core for a PDK terminal? Nov 10 23:46:02 torchie: display of the terminal output is the hard part Nov 10 23:46:51 yeah Nov 10 23:47:02 not even sure how to go about it Nov 10 23:47:09 Terminal already uses a C plugin Nov 10 23:47:15 oh dang Nov 10 23:47:20 phil_bw: it sucks, there was something I was like, "hey I should tell phil_bw" but now I have no idea what it was after the fact :T Nov 10 23:47:26 haha Nov 10 23:47:30 it'll come back to you Nov 10 23:47:33 probably shortly after I leave Nov 10 23:48:14 torchie, you can use SDL for output as well if you don't mind displaying text the.. uh... hard way Nov 10 23:48:30 weeeeeeelll Nov 10 23:48:41 knowing my luck it was probably just something I dreamed up in some antidepressant fueled haze Nov 10 23:48:49 just like the Sprint Pre 2 announcement! :F Nov 10 23:48:56 SineOt, probably good then Nov 10 23:49:10 monospace font, container of character coordinates Nov 10 23:49:16 would still be derp Nov 10 23:50:03 SDL_font actually makes displaying TTF text quite easy Nov 10 23:52:06 "Terminus" is the SDL version of Terminal Nov 10 23:52:20 ah yes, I forgot about terminus Nov 10 23:52:20 both are open source on git.webos-internals.org Nov 10 23:52:46 Neither have seen any interest from anyone else in contributing anything more than some key bindings. Nov 11 00:03:02 Does the OpenSSH client not work over 3G? The client, mind you, not the server. Nov 11 00:03:39 works for me whenever i've needed it Nov 11 00:04:16 Only works for me over wi-fi..Every time I try it on 3G, it times out. Nov 11 00:04:23 lame Nov 11 00:04:33 Is it a verizon thing? Nov 11 00:04:41 oh, could very well be. i'm on Sprint Nov 11 00:05:10 Should I just try to reinstall it, or would that have no effect? Nov 11 00:05:44 chances are it's being blocked during routing, not on your actual device Nov 11 00:06:09 So verizon. Nov 11 00:06:12 as in vzw is probably blocking port 22, probably most privileged ports Nov 11 00:06:36 Well, not 7000 or 6697. Nov 11 00:06:40 if you have control over the box you're ssh'ing into, or the firewall it's behind you could try changing the SSH port or the forwarding port, respectfully Nov 11 00:06:51 anything <1024 is a privileged port Nov 11 00:07:01 Ah. Nov 11 00:07:01