**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Nov 15 02:59:58 2010 Nov 15 03:03:21 * halfhalo is doing crazy network stuff to watch a movie on his ps3 Nov 15 03:03:41 "crazy network stuff" ? Nov 15 03:03:49 yeah Nov 15 03:05:31 See, its on the laptop, which is on wifi which the ps3 can't access, so I have it mounted as a network share on the mac mini, but the mini can't just stream it to the ps3 because its a weird blue ray rip I made when I was first messing around with it, so I'm sending that to the desktop which is encoding it on the fly then shoving it down the 100meg ethernet pipe to the ps3 Nov 15 03:05:52 All because I'm to lazy to find an hdmi cable for the laptop Nov 15 03:06:04 dude... Nov 15 03:06:32 that... almost disgusting. Nov 15 03:06:36 that's* Nov 15 03:08:25 now, ironically, I think that theres an hdmi cable from the desktop running to the tv Nov 15 03:27:32 Tibfib: You around? Nov 15 03:27:39 yep Nov 15 03:27:52 So Nov 15 03:27:53 APE Nov 15 03:28:02 I know it creates an iframe Nov 15 03:28:08 That's no fun. Nov 15 03:28:34 Yeah. I'm not sure if it's going to work. Nov 15 03:28:39 I'm looking at pubnub Nov 15 03:28:50 but that could get expensive.] Nov 15 03:30:57 Tibfib: not really expensive. the linode can handle it just fine with a node backend, and with node services you can do tcp clients/servers as well Nov 15 03:31:36 halfhalo: well I just meant paying the guy. I haven't looked at hosting it Nov 15 03:31:49 paying the guy for what? Nov 15 03:31:56 * kesne points to http://hookbox.org/ Nov 15 03:31:59 there's a pubsubhub service Nov 15 03:32:09 bah, do it yourself Nov 15 03:32:19 its easier since its all JS with node Nov 15 03:32:26 I'm with halfhalo, just set up your own stuff Nov 15 03:32:32 halfhalo: would you help me set it up? Nov 15 03:32:35 More time, but better than pubnub Nov 15 03:34:07 Tibfib: I can't right now due to school Nov 15 03:34:18 * halfhalo will bbl, watching movie Nov 15 03:47:52 is there an easy way to kill everything, aside from stopListening on every listener Nov 15 03:48:10 re: Mojo Event Listening Nov 15 03:48:37 CTLAdvance: don't think so Nov 15 03:48:53 Thanks Nov 15 03:48:58 I am unaware of that as well Nov 15 03:49:57 is there anyway to destroy the prev scene so you cant go back to it Nov 15 03:50:56 swapScene Nov 15 03:51:46 yeah, if you don't want the scene, don't leave it on the stack. I don't think you can pop a scene on the stack that isn't the current scene. Nov 15 03:58:36 ah swapscene should do it instead of push scene Nov 15 03:58:38 thanks Nov 15 04:00:36 that worked perfectly, forgot about that one Nov 15 04:06:22 MyNamePeggy: pong Nov 15 04:06:29 Tibfib: filterlist ? Nov 15 04:06:35 JenP: Hi. Nov 15 04:06:36 you have problem? Nov 15 04:06:48 you pinged this morning? Nov 15 04:06:52 haeffb: how do you get the filtered list items? event.model returns the original list model Nov 15 04:07:04 in another life. you just getting back home? Nov 15 04:07:10 how did you create the filtered list items Nov 15 04:07:14 in a motel room Nov 15 04:07:27 noticeUpdatedItems() Nov 15 04:07:29 not home until next Sun Nov 15 04:07:36 which items? Nov 15 04:07:38 I basically copied the sample Nov 15 04:07:48 the original list items? Nov 15 04:08:00 what do you mean? Nov 15 04:08:01 how did you create the sublist? Nov 15 04:08:16 you had to have an array of filtered items, right? Nov 15 04:08:46 http://webos.pastebin.com/AjDrZGPw Nov 15 04:09:15 then how do I know whether to check the filtered items, or the reg items? Nov 15 04:09:23 save the subset Nov 15 04:09:30 this.subsetItems Nov 15 04:09:44 haeffb: i wont tell the wife you're in a motel room. secret is safe with me Nov 15 04:09:46 and then event.index is the index to the subset Nov 15 04:09:49 * Tibfib was hoping for a event.filteredModel or somehting Nov 15 04:09:51 she knows Nov 15 04:10:04 oh how cool is that ?! Nov 15 04:10:09 I'm in Concordia KS. She's in Westmoreland, KS. we meet up tomorrow. Nov 15 04:10:24 * haeffb in a motel room with 4 other guys... :) Nov 15 04:10:25 haeffb: nice, drive thru manhattan? Nov 15 04:10:34 or by? Nov 15 04:10:37 I-70 on thursday Nov 15 04:10:49 we'll probably stop in manhattan for dinner tomorrow. Nov 15 04:10:52 well what happens in Concordia stays in Concordia I thought. Nov 15 04:10:59 nice Nov 15 04:11:22 you're thinking of Vegas. What happens in Concordia is plastered all over the local newspaper... Nov 15 04:12:26 Tibfib: does subset make sense? Nov 15 04:12:42 yeah, that makes sense. I just don't want to save it... ya know? Nov 15 04:12:59 well hopefullly you drew "firsties" Nov 15 04:13:50 you don't have to save it, if you don't want to be able to do anything with it... Nov 15 04:15:11 true. Nov 15 04:15:13 you talking to me or Tibfib ? Nov 15 04:15:52 Tibfib: wife's aunt lives in Westmoreland Nov 15 04:16:54 haeffb: nice, never been there :) Nov 15 04:18:09 it's only 15 or 20 miles from Manhattan. Nov 15 04:18:20 and has the worlds largest hand-dug well. Nov 15 04:18:31 surely that's worth seeing. Nov 15 04:18:48 * Tibfib knows where he's going to on a date this weekend. Nov 15 04:18:52 unlike the worlds largest ball of twine in Cawker, KS Nov 15 04:19:05 which I saw on Thursday... Nov 15 04:19:09 lol Nov 15 04:19:40 shoot. I give up on this code for the night. Nov 15 04:19:45 goodnight all Nov 15 04:20:51 * haeffb going to sleep. this bird hunting is hard work. see y'all. Nov 15 04:21:12 l8r Nov 15 04:57:05 * halfhalo is watching kickass Nov 15 05:00:24 * sugardave just finished watching Harry Potter III. Nov 15 05:00:55 and about to play some Red Dead Redemption Nov 15 05:04:56 if you want to dynamically change the value of something, like a toggle, do you need to run setup again Nov 15 05:05:10 more specifically the Mojo Widgets Nov 15 05:05:20 CTLAdvance: no, you change the model Nov 15 05:05:25 and call modelChanged Nov 15 05:07:02 ah ok Nov 15 06:03:19 Tibfib: Ping Nov 15 06:19:12 Finally, Palm comes clean on the app catalog geo-restrictions: http://bit.ly/webos-app-cat-geo-restrictions Nov 15 06:27:34 Anybody want to help test? Nov 15 07:10:31 morning Nov 15 07:16:43 morning Nov 15 07:16:46 how goes it? Nov 15 07:18:46 I'm not a millionaire yet :( Nov 15 07:21:20 nope Nov 15 07:21:49 hey swisstomcat I've got a PhoneGap question Nov 15 07:21:57 go ahead Nov 15 07:22:53 Ok, if I have a button can I simply bind or use onclick on it? Or would I have to use some native event name? Nov 15 07:23:57 You took part of PhoneGap's basic introduction course or something like that right? Nov 15 07:26:47 i translated it Nov 15 07:26:58 but i also attended a one day training Nov 15 07:27:00 Translated? Nov 15 07:27:03 mkay Nov 15 07:27:15 the basic tutorial .. from english to german Nov 15 07:27:49 phonegap basically is: devices sensor and data interfaces .. and app packaging Nov 15 07:28:02 all the rest is not in phonegap e.g GUI Nov 15 07:28:33 how did you make your button? Nov 15 07:28:54 Simple oh never mind! Nov 15 07:29:11 I didn't remember I figured out it in the morning :D Nov 15 07:29:15 Right before I left to wokr Nov 15 07:29:16 work Nov 15 07:29:24 onclick does work :) Nov 15 07:29:40 I'm doing way too much, I forget things Nov 15 07:32:05 heh Nov 15 07:32:28 are you using a gui library? Nov 15 07:32:49 nope, not yet. I just got started. Nov 15 07:37:09 morning hotdp Nov 15 07:37:19 morning Nov 15 07:37:28 just read you latest twit Nov 15 07:37:29 DAMN Nov 15 07:37:33 yeah Nov 15 07:37:37 DAMMIT palm Nov 15 07:37:38 ffs Nov 15 07:37:41 serius.. Nov 15 07:37:46 whats the problem! Nov 15 07:38:04 we need to put pressure on palm Nov 15 07:38:19 But i don't get it? Nov 15 07:38:23 what where who? What's your twitter name? Nov 15 07:38:27 are they blind or what can the problem be? Nov 15 07:38:55 teemu "@Palm time to change that! RT @DagmawiElehu: The support for unlocked device says geo-restrictions still in effect. see http://bit.ly/92jVj6"" Nov 15 07:39:04 brian leroux got into a twitter argument with me over phonegap and "native UI" Nov 15 07:39:11 a month ago or so Nov 15 07:39:15 it was absurd Nov 15 07:39:18 Wow Nov 15 07:39:24 what was hes problem? Nov 15 07:39:32 he considers the browser native Nov 15 07:39:36 so phonegap is native Nov 15 07:39:51 but that isn't true in the sense that I wanted cocoa UI elements Nov 15 07:40:04 and phonegap doesn't provide those Nov 15 07:40:36 just made me less interested in phonegap Nov 15 07:40:41 and more interested in just doing apps natively Nov 15 07:40:49 for the respective platforms Nov 15 07:40:52 :) oki Nov 15 07:40:57 i am a phonegap user Nov 15 07:41:53 hey I will totally agree that phonegap is good for SOME things Nov 15 07:41:58 but it isn't THE solution Nov 15 07:42:17 Depends on what you have to do Nov 15 07:42:23 and arguably titanium provides a much better solution if you want something that uses native UI elements and has access to phone services Nov 15 07:42:34 Yer Nov 15 07:42:48 if i had to support one platform only i would do native Nov 15 07:43:01 But if the same app shall run on 3 platforms i wont Nov 15 07:43:26 well I'm working with a team on android/ios, and we were either going to choose native or titanium appcelerator Nov 15 07:43:30 but not phonegap Nov 15 07:43:50 can you explain more? Nov 15 07:44:02 "why" ? Nov 15 07:44:58 well I am not supposed to go into detail on the app Nov 15 07:45:09 dont need to Nov 15 07:45:10 but we had enough people to make two teams, and everyone is excited and interested to learn Nov 15 07:45:38 yes and? Nov 15 07:45:53 * hotdp asks because he shall start to do apps at work Nov 15 07:46:08 and we're all students and everyone wanted to learn iOS/android platforms Nov 15 07:46:16 and it doesn't take that long Nov 15 07:46:21 and so it seemed to make sense Nov 15 07:46:24 But "why" is titanium more native? Nov 15 07:46:28 to learn something new instead of sticking with js Nov 15 07:46:30 oh Nov 15 07:46:36 well titanium compiles applications into native code Nov 15 07:47:06 so it converts the js ect ? Nov 15 07:47:10 instead of a webview with some native code behind it to make faux javascript apis for camera/contacts Nov 15 07:47:11 yeah Nov 15 07:47:20 but we decided not to do that, we're doing full native Nov 15 07:47:41 so the same code will work on both platforms? Nov 15 07:48:19 no Nov 15 07:48:22 well Nov 15 07:48:24 with titanium yes Nov 15 07:48:33 but with our teams, one is doing java, the other objective C Nov 15 07:49:01 ok Nov 15 07:49:58 in fact: appcelerator does not produce native code. Nov 15 07:50:13 it's just another wrapper thing Nov 15 07:50:42 biggerCC thanks Nov 15 07:50:49 its also what i have read until now? Nov 15 07:50:54 i don't see the difference Nov 15 07:51:34 in fact: you can even modify your js/css/html files, when packaged for android (.apk) Nov 15 07:51:45 but it has some nice advantages Nov 15 07:52:02 like: the ui adopts to the host system Nov 15 07:52:06 hmm Nov 15 07:52:10 yea Nov 15 07:52:11 verily Nov 15 07:52:12 making iOS elements show up on iOS devices Nov 15 07:52:24 there are also a lot more device api's available Nov 15 07:52:28 when compared to phonegap Nov 15 07:52:30 biggerCC what have you worked with ? Nov 15 07:52:47 yer alexfner but that deos not make it native? Nov 15 07:53:20 yeah but I guess my point is that I don't care about native, but I do care about API access Nov 15 07:53:21 at the moment i play around with apparat.io Nov 15 07:53:39 have you tried sencha? Nov 15 07:53:48 no(t yet) Nov 15 07:53:56 and something that provides a great user experience and a excellent developer accesability Nov 15 07:56:18 the sencha gui designer looks great Nov 15 07:56:29 altough not being open source :/ Nov 15 07:57:38 biggerCC i know, but my company payes Nov 15 07:57:50 and it is free i think for not earning buisiness Nov 15 07:58:15 But its suppose to be the must complete "framwork" Nov 15 07:58:31 it's not about the pricetag, but the guarantee to be future-safe Nov 15 07:58:53 yer Nov 15 07:59:27 For know i have chossen AppMobi and Sencha, but i do now know what is best. So i would like to hear what others find good Nov 15 07:59:57 try apparat.io (beta) Nov 15 08:00:04 they have the most minimalistic approach Nov 15 08:00:26 There's so many where to choose from Nov 15 08:00:30 thanks i have a look Nov 15 08:00:55 try this link: http://apparat.io/preview/accounts/password/reset/ (closed beta) Nov 15 08:02:04 this was a tip from michael mahemoff (google) @ google developer day Nov 15 08:07:28 thanks Nov 15 08:07:40 and if you know more at some point please let me know :) Nov 15 08:09:23 rehi Nov 15 08:11:25 i know the people making apparat.io Nov 15 08:11:51 i met them last week Nov 15 08:11:55 :) Nov 15 08:12:12 in munich? Nov 15 08:12:17 were they at gddde? Nov 15 08:12:22 yeah Nov 15 08:12:38 i might join them :) Nov 15 08:13:33 ask http://twitter.com/nonken for an invite Nov 15 08:13:45 biggerCC: i assume you were there too then? Nov 15 08:14:15 yeah. i am already signed up. asked the "official" account for an invite ;) Nov 15 08:14:25 but got response from nikolai Nov 15 08:18:52 alexfner: phonegap doesn't provide any ui elements .. that's no the focus of phonegap Nov 15 08:19:23 swisstomcat he was talking about the lag of API's Nov 15 08:19:34 does apple approve "non-ios"-guis to their app store? Nov 15 08:19:55 even palm requires you to sign a box "this app uses the webos ui elements or has reasons not to do so" Nov 15 08:20:16 i belive so Nov 15 08:20:26 sencha have bigs apps in the app cat Nov 15 08:20:32 sorry store :P Nov 15 08:33:54 yeah, i think it should be no problem Nov 15 09:01:44 swisstomcat i am still very frustrated about the app catalog Nov 15 09:01:55 But if i get a pre 2 i will activate it in usa Nov 15 09:03:29 Yea definitely that's what should be done Nov 15 09:03:50 Activation requires GSM connection or can it be done via USB? Nov 15 09:04:28 i don't think you can do it with usb if you want payed apps Nov 15 09:04:45 Not paid apps, but to enable the catalog Nov 15 09:04:54 what? Nov 15 09:04:55 http://openbts.sourceforge.net/ there Nov 15 09:05:08 Own GSM tower :) Nov 15 09:05:11 "tower" Nov 15 09:05:13 lol Nov 15 09:06:51 http://kb.palm.com/wps/portal/kb/emea/pre/pre2/unlockedeu/solutions/article/47647_en.html Nov 15 09:07:43 Ok so I only need a SIM from the States Nov 15 09:10:24 yep Nov 15 09:10:39 The first time you activate the phone Nov 15 09:11:30 yeah Nov 15 09:11:40 you could even use meta-doctor and activate via wifi Nov 15 09:11:46 that's what i did Nov 15 09:12:04 and then buy an american visa gift card ($25 or $50) Nov 15 09:14:21 i tried to use an at&t prepaid card in germany (for other purposes) Nov 15 09:14:32 didn't work Nov 15 10:07:50 How should we alert Palm about the issue? Nov 15 10:09:29 hotdp: what issue? Nov 15 10:12:30 geo-restrictions Nov 15 10:12:33 for the app catalog Nov 15 10:13:59 rwhitby it is a problem.. if i recomend the Pre 2 for people here in Denmark i have to ask them to order a sim-card from UK or Germany if they want paid apps? And offcourse they want paid apps Nov 15 10:17:58 hotdp: Palm are completely aware of the geo-restrictions - it is a calculated and intentional enforcement of company policy. Nov 15 10:18:14 They don't need to be alerted about it - they already know all about it and choose not to do anything. Nov 15 10:18:53 ..... Nov 15 10:18:56 just because "it was built that way" Nov 15 10:19:25 rubbish. Means of raising revenue are never blocked because "it was built that way". Nov 15 10:19:37 That is an excuse you have been given. Nov 15 10:19:45 But why? Don't they wonna sell phones? Now you can buy in there shop, but if you do you get a product without paid apps? Why can't it be like andorid`? Nov 15 10:20:18 There must be either legal or carrier restrictions for which the work has not been done to overcome due to ROI considerations. Nov 15 10:20:29 hmm Nov 15 10:20:37 rwhitby: back when the system was designed/built palm was still assuming that phones are only sold through carriers Nov 15 10:21:14 how many bugs in the app catalog are still unfixed? how much work would it be to redesign it .. that's the problem Nov 15 10:21:21 i assume it will change in the future Nov 15 10:21:24 it has to Nov 15 10:22:11 Sorry, I don't buy the "too hard to fix technically" argument. If they wanted the money, they would fix it. They don't want the money (not enough projected return for the legal expense to enable it). Nov 15 10:22:41 omg Nov 15 10:24:26 That is my assumption. I don't speak for Palm. Nov 15 10:24:30 i will take the talk to dev day and hear them say "its to expensiv in legal works". Nov 15 10:25:40 rwhitby: i think it was rather "we chose not to redesign it at the moment" ... that what i get from chuq's comments on it Nov 15 10:26:08 right. a financial ROI decision Nov 15 10:26:14 yeah Nov 15 10:26:19 which makes sense at the moment Nov 15 10:26:19 i think its time now, because they ship to contries that does not work Nov 15 10:26:44 i thought it was fair when it was carriers. So it only works in the carriers country Nov 15 10:26:47 but it have changed now Nov 15 10:26:50 yeah Nov 15 10:26:56 but that's a recent development Nov 15 10:26:57 But it's not a money maker yet Nov 15 10:27:08 hotdp: yes, someone who buys one from the Palm UK store, and ships to a country where it cannot be activated to buy apps, should bring action against Palm for false advertising if the restrictions are not lifted. Nov 15 10:27:11 i assume it will change with the palmpad Nov 15 10:27:29 rwhitby: thats 100% my point Nov 15 10:27:50 where's the false advertisment? it's more like "wrongful neglicence" Nov 15 10:28:09 where does it state "no paid apps outside of x,y,z" Nov 15 10:28:15 Because there is no fine print anywhere between entering the Palm UK store and purchasing which says you can't buy apps in certain countries. Nov 15 10:28:34 And because the pages on the store say that you can download apps like Angry Birds. Nov 15 10:28:52 seems more like "negligence" Nov 15 10:28:53 Which is false advertising for anyone who ships to a non-paid country. Nov 15 10:29:02 hmm Nov 15 10:29:14 yeah, someone should bring action against palm Nov 15 10:29:31 keep the pressure up Nov 15 10:29:33 swisstomcat: They are aware of it. Therefore not negligence but active false advertising. Nov 15 10:29:40 i see Nov 15 10:30:06 you guys should talk to phil mckinney at the dev days Nov 15 10:30:38 If there is a pause in the questions at my talk, I will ask that one of the Palm staff present :) Nov 15 10:31:52 Which reminds me, I need to update my Tux with a Palmpad in the slides. Nov 15 10:32:37 good idea Nov 15 12:38:05 I really hope we can buy a global gsm pre 2 at Dev Days Nov 15 12:42:49 that'd be great Nov 15 12:44:55 if not i have to 1 buy dev device from Palm or pay it in UK Nov 15 12:45:06 i am afraid we have to wait some time before we can buy the dev device Nov 15 13:41:48 a quickie: can SMS be sent from my own app? Nov 15 13:41:59 * teemu didn't look at docs yet Nov 15 14:06:09 teemu: yeah Nov 15 14:07:15 http://pastebin.com/KhWsbZx9 Nov 15 14:12:59 that's neat. thanks. Nov 15 14:29:55 teemu what app are you working on Nov 15 17:37:21 hi Nov 15 17:37:26 hey Nov 15 17:37:31 o\ Nov 15 17:38:49 yo Nov 15 17:39:35 hey hey hey Nov 15 17:39:48 what's new here Nov 15 17:39:52 haven't been here in a while Nov 15 17:40:19 WELCOME BACK, we've all just been sitting here remarking about your absence Nov 15 17:40:25 good. Nov 15 17:42:25 what's a reasonable amount of time after not receiving an email response that one should ask about it? Nov 15 17:42:40 5-6 minutes Nov 15 17:43:01 your business is IMPORTANT -- and they should know that. Nov 15 17:43:14 hur hur Nov 15 17:43:25 we're on business day 6 now Nov 15 17:43:42 codeslaw: hi nycenae is stalking you Nov 15 17:43:54 stalking you say? Nov 15 17:44:10 well, looking hard, anyway Nov 15 17:44:26 chuqui do you get to travel to NYC for dev day? Nov 15 17:44:30 alexfner: i see no problem requesting confirmation of receipt at this point Nov 15 17:44:51 okeley dokely neighbor Nov 15 17:45:01 so....lot of web devs in here? Nov 15 17:45:14 yes sir Nov 15 17:45:30 what do y'all think of OpenID as a site authentication mechanism? Nov 15 17:45:53 I'm kicking around a couple of ideas and I need to focus on the web side for a bit Nov 15 17:46:11 i dont have any exp. with openid unfortunately Nov 15 17:46:24 alexfner: no, I'm staying back and watching the fort. Nov 15 17:48:12 sorry sugardave i donno Nov 15 17:48:58 it's basically choose between making people register yet another account or use OpenID (or perhaps twitter/facebook) as auth Nov 15 17:49:54 google oauth Nov 15 17:50:18 hmmm Nov 15 17:50:23 awe shucks Nov 15 17:53:16 in the observable universe, there are 13 trillion stars per person Nov 15 17:54:25 that's a lot Nov 15 17:54:28 alexfner: you plan on selling your stars off to the highest bidder for some extra holiday cash? Nov 15 17:54:49 yeah the star real estate boom is very lucrative Nov 15 17:54:56 and I want to get out of it before it bursts Nov 15 17:55:27 unfortunately, a stellar burst is a lot more serious than a housing market Nov 15 17:55:29 I may have sold a couple of poor star mortages, but it's okay because I packaged them into a security and shorted the entire real estate industry Nov 15 17:55:49 rahul sood is leaving hp Nov 15 17:55:54 interessante Nov 15 17:55:57 really? Nov 15 17:55:59 a oui Nov 15 17:56:02 what the hell is going on Nov 15 17:56:07 everyone is still leaving Nov 15 17:56:17 I think he's starting an inflatable rental company Nov 15 17:56:23 ya know, bounce houses Nov 15 17:56:28 and the like Nov 15 17:56:33 for kids birthdays Nov 15 17:56:34 rahul sood's bounce house company - Nov 15 17:56:37 we called them jumping dragons Nov 15 17:56:40 "wow these bounce houses are gonna be really great" Nov 15 17:56:50 "there are definitely some new model bounce houses coming around the corner" Nov 15 17:56:59 "this is gonna knock your socks off" Nov 15 17:59:56 haha, watching a highly entertaining video of a guy reviewing some old phone, and referring to it as the palm pre 2 Nov 15 17:59:59 Hes probably going to start some sort of hardware company again now that voodoo is dead Nov 15 18:00:14 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tL1JpLkOsFU Nov 15 18:02:30 funny Nov 15 18:04:48 I just enjoy how ridiculous it gets, the fully keyboard connected to the small phone Nov 15 18:05:53 hotdp_pre: new version of sencha is available for free, today Nov 15 18:12:00 alexfner thanks! have you looked at it? Nov 15 18:12:17 hotdp_pre: no, I just remember you conversing about it last night, but I will! :D Nov 15 18:14:18 atleast the background music is in good taste Nov 15 18:14:34 although not much of a gamer, interviewing with EA today Nov 15 18:14:37 will be interesting Nov 15 18:16:49 hehe but its not native ;-) Nov 15 18:17:01 hhaha Nov 15 18:22:25 au revoir Nov 15 18:51:35 * halfhalo feels like smashing his phone right now Nov 15 18:56:07 morning chuqui Nov 15 18:56:56 swisstomcat: morning! Nov 15 18:57:23 * halfhalo_T400 looks between his phone and laptop and notes that the laptop reports a longer estimated battery life Nov 15 18:57:40 chuqui: with the unlocked pre2 sold almost europe wide and without a carrier, it's time to revisit the geo-restrictions for the app catalog, don't you think? Nov 15 18:58:02 i can order a pre2, but not buy any apps Nov 15 18:58:16 that's something people other than I have to decide. Nov 15 18:59:08 they better do! Nov 15 18:59:32 damn .. Rahul Sood leaves HP Nov 15 18:59:48 what!! Nov 15 19:00:00 http://www.webosroundup.com/2010/11/rahul-sood-leaves-hp/ Nov 15 19:02:24 chuqui, its really a problem with the restrictions... can you pass it on? or tell who to talk to? Nov 15 19:03:07 yeah Nov 15 19:03:22 who decides it? Nov 15 19:04:27 I've passed folks opinions on already. Nov 15 19:11:11