**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Nov 17 02:59:57 2010 Nov 17 03:00:06 alexfner: cleaned out your audio jack? Nov 17 03:00:25 I don't think it's a dirt issue Nov 17 03:00:43 I've had three pres where the headphone jack has worked only when it chooses to Nov 17 03:01:56 all the others ended up getting returned and exchanged Nov 17 03:02:01 alexfner: yeah, it's happened to my latest pre. cleaning it up helps Nov 17 03:02:02 but this one is over the warranty Nov 17 03:09:01 anyone in here in LA? Nov 17 03:10:31 I cannot tell if this is a sprint or a pre issue, but my phone will show EVDO up until the moment it actually has to go get data, then it drops to 1xRTT Nov 17 03:29:40 alexfner: Can't help ya. I don't get service in my house (Live in the SF valley) Nov 17 03:29:56 oh I don't live in LA, the two comments were unrelated hah Nov 17 03:30:16 * halfhalo smacks alexfner with a very large trout Nov 17 03:46:15 * halfhalo is watching Parking Wars Nov 17 03:46:19 DON'T JUDGE ME Nov 17 03:49:01 Sweet, random TERRIBLE WIFI problems. Nov 17 03:52:34 Sounds like apple Nov 17 03:54:04 whoa... what do we have here? A UPS sticker from Palm! Nov 17 04:01:15 dohtem: sticker for a missed delivery? Nov 17 04:03:56 YES Nov 17 04:04:10 API system incorperated with gifts is FINALLY working! Nov 17 04:05:36 kesne: what is api? Nov 17 04:05:57 Application Programming Interface I think Nov 17 04:07:18 oh i misread your thread Nov 17 04:28:29 have a json feed being parsed via ajax, how would i have ajax recognize when a new thread is parsed? Nov 17 05:19:20 * phil_bw wanders by Nov 17 05:27:48 hey, 3d apps are done using opengl-es right? Is the api like webgl or something else? Nov 17 05:28:46 similar, I think. Nov 17 05:29:40 * bmidgley2 wonders if webgl libs like spidergl could be made webos friendly Nov 17 05:40:16 considering webOS doesn't support webGL currently Nov 17 05:40:22 I would venture a guess of no Nov 17 09:00:39 morning Nov 17 09:04:06 hello Nov 17 09:04:13 hi Nov 17 09:18:07 swisstomcat: are you used to webOS SDK programming? Nov 17 09:18:14 yeah, a bit Nov 17 09:18:52 hhhello Nov 17 09:21:44 I've got a list that I can scroll and use a filter field to hide some values. For a specific scenario, I can scroll down the list and if I press ESC, my list goes back to the top which is actually off the screen. If I scroll up, my list will appear again. Is there any way to get it's position? Nov 17 09:22:52 i think so Nov 17 09:23:02 did you check the developer.palm.com forums? Nov 17 09:24:44 I searched on Google but couldn't really find anything useful so far Nov 17 09:25:29 let me see Nov 17 09:26:20 http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=5129&hilit=scroll+list+position Nov 17 09:28:02 I'll look at this Nov 17 09:28:08 I might have found something interesting Nov 17 10:13:53 Help! I can't sleep and I have to wake up in 2 hours :( Nov 17 10:47:50 :( Nov 17 15:01:43 hey folks Nov 17 15:02:01 help me out if I'm missing something: are there any decent memory profiling tools for webOS apps? Nov 17 15:02:05 (SDK, not PDK) Nov 17 15:08:21 have you seen palm-worm Nov 17 15:10:27 I have not Nov 17 15:11:02 oh hey Nov 17 15:11:05 Google is my friend Nov 17 15:11:23 google is my friend.. Nov 17 15:11:39 thanks for the tip 8D Nov 17 15:16:52 heh Nov 17 15:49:01 hello Nov 17 15:49:19 hi warpdesign Nov 17 16:41:09 hi, i'm trying to force the activation using devicetool.jar but i'm getting a connection refused message Nov 17 16:42:22 hmm Nov 17 16:42:50 a developer device? Nov 17 16:48:20 swisstomcat: yes Nov 17 16:50:59 is there more than just this message? Nov 17 16:52:09 swisstomcat: nope, just "Error: Connection refused: connect" Nov 17 16:53:42 you could try that: Nov 17 16:54:04 With the USB cable connected, completely power off the Pre (hold down the power button until the option to power off appears) ---- Hold down the Up button on the volume rocker ----- While holding the Up button, power on the Pre Nov 17 17:02:50 swisstomcat: nope, i think the correct way to do it is to remove the battery, hold down the Up button, insert the battery and the i get the USB logo Nov 17 17:03:20 result should be the same .. the USB logo Nov 17 17:03:22 does that help? Nov 17 17:03:42 swisstomcat: nope, i got the palm logo Nov 17 17:03:53 you need the usb logo Nov 17 17:07:32 swisstomcat: done, now i have the USB logo Nov 17 17:07:44 now try again to run the devicetool Nov 17 17:08:43 swisstomcat: same error Nov 17 17:08:50 hmm Nov 17 17:10:09 did you already install the SDK on your computer? Nov 17 17:11:16 good morning Nov 17 17:11:24 morning sugardave Nov 17 17:11:30 swisstomcat: ;) ups Nov 17 17:11:44 i don't think you need to Nov 17 17:11:45 hi swisstomcat, when is that app going to be ready? :D Nov 17 17:12:03 but it might help to have it installed to diagnose Nov 17 17:12:06 sugardave: "soon" Nov 17 17:12:10 lol Nov 17 17:12:22 swisstomcat: where i can get it ? Nov 17 17:12:29 i need the detailed schedule first Nov 17 17:12:40 camcal: developer.palm.com Nov 17 17:13:03 http://cl.ly/3Hec Nov 17 17:13:06 sugardave: i'm fighting them with their weapons ... "soon" ;) Nov 17 17:13:10 food for thought: if 1µm is the smallest size of particle a surgical mask can block out, what does it mean when the largest virus is only 500nm ? Nov 17 17:13:28 that first unit was micrometer, in case that didn't show up Nov 17 17:13:52 maik: that means surgical masks are worthless Nov 17 17:14:10 can't a brotha ask a rhetorical question 'round here!? Nov 17 17:14:22 oh Nov 17 17:14:23 I guess not Nov 17 17:14:27 maik: pretty nice Nov 17 17:14:28 :D Nov 17 17:14:30 ;) Nov 17 17:14:40 lol Nov 17 17:15:08 swisstomcat: ya. maik's current state: fascinated Nov 17 17:16:20 swisstomcat: well, it seems to be that it's going to be a long day since the SDK has 202MB Nov 17 17:17:10 camcal: what are you downloading over, string? Nov 17 17:17:44 swisstomcat: lol, nope, 600Kb Nov 17 17:18:33 start it and go get some food Nov 17 17:18:53 swisstomcat: i'm at work and i don't have access to the 8000Kb connection Nov 17 17:19:02 swisstomcat: sure i will Nov 17 17:20:13 swisstomcat: by the way, do you know a bullet proof way to get a Palm Pre Plus unlocked Nov 17 17:20:27 sim-unlocked? Nov 17 17:20:41 swisstomcat: yep Nov 17 17:20:46 nope Nov 17 17:20:55 swisstomcat: darn Nov 17 17:21:00 you could use it over wifi only Nov 17 17:22:21 does anyone know how Google does checks for the stuff they don't support in WebOS? (doc editing, as of today, google instant, etc.) Nov 17 17:23:00 swisstomcat: maybe at work or at home, but the idea is to use it wherever i want, i didn't pay over $500 just to use it with wifi Nov 17 17:23:46 camcal: these guys claim to be able to do unlocks: http://www.nextgenserver.com/ Nov 17 17:24:42 swisstomcat: saddly, not free Nov 17 17:25:20 swisstomcat: there's nothing better than free stuff Nov 17 17:26:19 oh, i thought it was a free developer device Nov 17 17:26:25 why did you buy it locked then? Nov 17 17:27:17 swisstomcat: it was supposed to be unlocked, but oh surprise, it's unlocked for US carriers Nov 17 17:27:38 hmm? .. where did you buy it? Nov 17 17:27:43 swisstomcat: amazon Nov 17 17:28:03 "unlocked for US carriers?" Nov 17 17:28:15 swisstomcat: that's what it seems Nov 17 17:28:43 better return it then Nov 17 17:29:10 swisstomcat: palm answer is ... call AT&T and they will sell you the unlock code Nov 17 17:29:26 camcal: what do you mean by "unlocked for US carriers?" Nov 17 17:29:53 what does amazon say? did they sell it to you "unlocked"? Nov 17 17:30:08 camcal: it's worth a shot. Just tell ATT that you're a developer hoping to target the webOS platform, and ask to get elevated to supervisors or somethin' Nov 17 17:30:22 swisstomcat: according to the description it's unlocked for T-mobile, orange, sprint, verizon, etc, ect, etc Nov 17 17:30:38 false advertisting then? return it Nov 17 17:30:59 where are you? Nov 17 17:31:04 country Nov 17 17:31:13 swisstomcat: it's not false advertising, i'm in Colombia Nov 17 17:31:14 was it sold by Amazon, or by a third party through Amazon? Nov 17 17:31:26 swisstomcat: nope, amazon Nov 17 17:31:49 but if amazon says it's unlocked and it's not, you can return it? Nov 17 17:32:02 because there are no Pres that could be unlocked for T-mo, Orange, Sprint, Verizon. There's no GSM/CDMA Pre. D: Nov 17 17:33:47 at this point i prefer to call AT&T and ask for the code, i will be able to return it until January and i can't wait any longer, i want to use it now Nov 17 17:34:06 get a pre2 Nov 17 17:34:12 worst case scenario i will have to pay for the code Nov 17 17:34:12 it's unlocked Nov 17 17:35:28 camcal: I think it was sold through a third party via amazon... I can't find anything saying unlocked Pre that would be sold by Amazon proper Nov 17 17:35:31 according to palm it not available for the moment, that's why i bought the Pre Plus Nov 17 17:35:46 the pre2 is available Nov 17 17:36:00 that's because they are not selling it any more Nov 17 17:36:22 http://www.palm.com/us/products/phones/pre2/ Nov 17 17:37:01 it's in small print but it says "Sign up for the Palm newsletter and get notified when the Pre 2 is available." Nov 17 17:37:14 you can buy it in europe Nov 17 17:37:28 directly from palm, unlocked Nov 17 17:37:37 several people got one recently Nov 17 17:38:12 swisstomcat: you can get a Pre Plus for like 350 USD, a Pre2 is like 675 :p Nov 17 17:38:12 let me check Nov 17 17:38:52 doh ..... Nov 17 17:39:06 also buying from Palm Europe apparently requires an EU billing address, which just further complicates things Nov 17 17:39:50 that's true, that's another reason why i bought it at US, my mom lives there Nov 17 17:40:56 well, i gotta eat Nov 17 17:41:50 Later Nov 17 18:08:48 sonofabitch Nov 17 18:08:53 The IPK file you uploaded contains content that is not yet allowed. Nov 17 18:09:58 does it say what it is? Nov 17 18:10:13 I'm way curious what content would be marked "not yet allowed" versus, y'know, not allowed at all Nov 17 18:10:32 it doesn't say what it is, but i can guess Nov 17 18:10:51 wait... no i can't. wtf Nov 17 18:11:31 if it's 2.0 stuff then holy lol Nov 17 18:11:52 that's the thing, i don't think i'm using any 2.0 stuff in it Nov 17 18:13:00 even if you were if Palm is filtering that out when you have 2.0 devices in France from Carriers and the rest of Europe as unlocked phones, then someone needs to get a punch in the arm :C Nov 17 18:13:13 ya Nov 17 18:14:26 that's dumb that it won't tell you what the offending material is Nov 17 18:14:44 "Here's your entire app, something, somewhere, is wrong! Good luck finding it!" Nov 17 18:15:20 I wonder if body paint shows up on the TSA body scanners. Nov 17 18:15:35 thinking of having my wife paint "FUCK YOU" on my butt cheeks Nov 17 18:16:16 i think maybe because it was packaged with the 2.0 sdk? just a shot in the dark Nov 17 18:16:49 You can opt out of the back scatter scanners. :p Nov 17 18:16:51 maik: hypothetically speaking, there may exist some command line parameter to use when packaging apps Nov 17 18:17:00 SineOt: I don't have an extra $10K Nov 17 18:17:05 sugardave: tis what i'm hypothetically searching for Nov 17 18:17:07 sugardave: when I fly, I'm planning on opting out, and then moaning Nov 17 18:17:12 Just prepare to be sexually assaulted with an open palm ball grope! Nov 17 18:17:56 rhymes with fuse rhee won doormat? Nov 17 18:18:19 perhaps Nov 17 18:18:39 or, you could keep the old tools around in another directory and call them directly Nov 17 18:18:43 sugardave: what's the extra 10K for? Nov 17 18:18:50 meh Nov 17 18:19:16 SineOt: I guess if I get groped instead, I don't need the money Nov 17 18:19:40 but I always seem to find edge cases even when I'm not looking for them, so I like to be prepared for as many eventualities as possible Nov 17 18:19:46 this. Nov 17 18:20:54 summatusmentis: yeah, I'm considering the "double over in pain and try to make yourself puke" response Nov 17 18:21:13 HE TWISTED AND PULLED! Nov 17 18:21:57 sugardave: I've been toying with ways to try and make the TSA agent as uncomfortable as possible Nov 17 18:22:00 well, bring a camera! record it all, post on youtube, become internet/civil rights hero Nov 17 18:22:19 I haven't quite figured out a way to toe the line between making them uncomfortable, and not getting held and missing my flight Nov 17 18:22:29 summatusmentis: yeah, it's an art for sure Nov 17 18:22:44 summatusmentis: simple, -boners- Nov 17 18:23:07 I considered winking at the agent as he fondles me Nov 17 18:23:21 find the biggest guy there and say "I want him" Nov 17 18:23:24 that's subtle-ish Nov 17 18:23:49 I could ask him for his number at the end >.> Nov 17 18:23:53 haha Nov 17 18:24:01 hi Nov 17 18:24:21 "I don't want to rush things, and it's ok if we take it slow, but could I have your number? we should do this again sometime" Nov 17 18:24:22 walk up and say "who hasn't gotten their quota of testicles today?" Nov 17 18:24:27 omg wastrel Nov 17 18:24:34 wastrel: hello Nov 17 18:24:37 hi Nov 17 18:24:55 summatusmentis won't tell me when i can get the pre 2 on verizon so i came here Nov 17 18:25:36 they won't tell you either Nov 17 18:25:56 yeah, I'm not sayin' Nov 17 18:26:28 solidarity and all that Nov 17 18:26:34 :[ Nov 17 18:26:43 we have verizon reps here today in my building selling their junk Nov 17 18:26:45 uh, sometime this quarter is probably the best you'll get Nov 17 18:26:48 i won't buy til they have handsets i want Nov 17 18:26:53 this quarter is the worst Nov 17 18:27:15 well this quarter is not the absolute worst. it could be next quarter i guess Nov 17 18:27:17 since it's apparently in Verizon's systems for rebate purposes and listed launching the same quarter as other phones like the Droid Pro Nov 17 18:27:20 and Continuum Nov 17 18:27:24 but there's still a half a quarter left Nov 17 18:27:33 wastrel: did you ask the reps? Nov 17 18:27:47 no there was a line :[ Nov 17 18:27:52 i'll go up later & see i they're still there Nov 17 18:27:58 tell them you can secure the purchas of x units, but you need to know when they will be ready Nov 17 18:28:03 you know what's insane? that the Kin phones might relaunch on Verizon D: Nov 17 18:28:34 I thought Kin died? Nov 17 18:28:56 it did Nov 17 18:29:00 rumored to come back Nov 17 18:29:03 for whatever reason Nov 17 18:29:04 zombie Kin Nov 17 18:29:15 but the same internal VZW documents that talked about the Pre 2 and Droid Pro also... Talked about the Kins relaunching Nov 17 18:29:42 honestly what killed the Kin was the fact you had to tie it with a 29$ data plan like any other smartphone even though what you got was a pretty shitty smartphone Nov 17 18:29:42 maybe it's an elaborate hoax Nov 17 18:29:56 I think they're relaunching it without that requirement/being able to tie it with the cheaper data plans Nov 17 18:29:57 and their weird-ass ads Nov 17 18:30:19 "yeah Kin phones..! And my awkward ex who I'm taking a picture of. STALKER!" Nov 17 18:30:31 * maik kicks Sprint in the head for not launching any new webOS phones Nov 17 18:30:47 * sugardave steals Sprint's wallet. Nov 17 18:31:05 I wish palm would say something about when their tablet is coming Nov 17 18:31:12 * maik kicks Sprint in the stomach while it's down on the ground, then runs away high-fiving his buddies Nov 17 18:31:17 I'm jonesing for an iPad again :( Nov 17 18:31:24 * halfhalo steals the stolen wallet Nov 17 18:31:40 summatusmentis: I was hoping Rubinstein would reinforce 1Q2011 again yesterday Nov 17 18:31:43 but he didn't Nov 17 18:31:45 I'd think you'd hear a ton about it at CES in January Nov 17 18:31:53 along with the other phones Nov 17 18:32:22 it took them 6 months to release the original pre after CES Nov 17 18:32:43 summatusmentis: I don't think that's going to happen this time Nov 17 18:32:48 I hope not, anyway Nov 17 18:32:53 I haven't watched his talk yet Nov 17 18:33:11 Yeah, but it's obvious that they've got like 5 devices in testing right now, so even if they talked about them at CES that it'd take like 6 months to release Nov 17 18:33:27 testing doesn't have to take 6 months Nov 17 18:33:35 summatusmentis: nothing great other than "agressively rolling out phones, tablets, and other devices" and "webOS afficionados be patient" Nov 17 18:33:45 Broadway got picked up in app logs weeks before it showed up in the 2.0 doctor, so that one at least has been kicking around for a while Nov 17 18:33:50 I wonder what 'other devices' are? Nov 17 18:34:05 sugardave: I hate doing this, but to quote Sarah Palin, "how's that hopey changey stuff workin' out for ya?" Nov 17 18:34:12 haha not great Nov 17 18:34:37 printers? Nov 17 18:34:39 netbooks? Nov 17 18:34:48 flying cars? Nov 17 18:34:53 toasters Nov 17 18:34:54 printers would be weak since they already told us about that Nov 17 18:34:59 link ? Nov 17 18:35:08 Broadway, which is a Pixi replacement apparently! Nov 17 18:35:10 And the tablet. Nov 17 18:35:16 BMyers: I do all this from memory Nov 17 18:35:31 now i know you're lying Nov 17 18:35:33 I thought the only evidence that broadway was a pixi replacement was the screen res Nov 17 18:35:34 haha Nov 17 18:36:13 sugardave: if the WSJ stuff is to be beleived, even if it was printers I don't think Foxconn would be building them Nov 17 18:36:31 Foxconn does stuff like laptops, iPhones, and playstations Nov 17 18:37:22 summatusmentis: the screen res, yeah, but I don't see Palm launching something with a 320x400 res and -not- have it be a Pixi replacement Nov 17 18:37:42 SineOt: ipod touch-esque device? Nov 17 18:37:46 perhaps? Nov 17 18:38:41 possible, but when the current iPod touches are rocking the 960x640 Retinas, 320x400 would be a pretty lowball resolution if that was the segment you were aiming for... Even the Zune HD would have a higher res Nov 17 18:39:07 webOS network scanners for use with openview ? Nov 17 18:39:33 I didn't realize the touch 4Gs had Retina displays Nov 17 18:39:44 Going off the code names for released devices... Castle being Pre, and Pixie being Pixi (great creativity there!), and Roadrunner being a faster Pre Nov 17 18:40:08 My assumption is that Windsor is an OMAP4 Pre device Nov 17 18:40:24 Mantaray and Stingray are a pair of tablets Nov 17 18:40:33 SineOt: I hope one is a 10" Nov 17 18:40:36 personally Nov 17 18:40:39 And Broadway is a Pixi like device with a non-user replaceable battery Nov 17 18:41:05 what makes you sa non-user-replaceable? Nov 17 18:41:09 say* Nov 17 18:41:10 And given the name, possibly a landscape slider/widescreen device? Nov 17 18:41:35 summatusmentis: the logs that picked up Broadway and gave the Pixi res also listed a value of "nonuserreplaceablebattery: yes" or something along those lines Nov 17 18:41:40 oh Nov 17 18:42:14 I did not see that Nov 17 18:42:31 if it was a small, Cliq/Flipout style device I could see a non replaceable battery as being something to help keep it thin and tiny (which are what drew me to the Pixi to begin with, it's small) Nov 17 18:44:13 Oh, and the Windsor being OMAP4 is based on the fact it's a castle name, and the doctor mentions not flashing A6 firmware on it, but that it -does- flash the A6 firmware on a Roadrunner Nov 17 18:44:42 Whatever A6 refers to is present in the Roadrunner Nov 17 18:45:09 summatusmentis: I think with the two ray code names, that they'll be two differently sized, differently specced tablets Nov 17 18:45:39 since the Stingray is listed as having an A6 and the Mantaray isn't Nov 17 18:45:55 Might be an OMAP3 based 7 inch tablet, and an OMAP4 based 10"? Nov 17 18:45:56 are we still assuming A6 is a keyboard driver? Nov 17 18:46:19 If you assume a6 is a keyboard driver, then why does the Broadway not use it too? Nov 17 18:46:36 completely touchscreen driven? Nov 17 18:46:49 Which is apparently sporting a 320x400 screen which would be awful as an entirely touch screen driven device? :p Nov 17 18:46:55 hah Nov 17 18:46:57 perhaps Nov 17 18:47:31 I think the other flaw with that is that the Mantaray has no A6, but the Stingray does Nov 17 18:47:52 Given the similar namings, I'd say it's safe to assume that they're similar devices (like a 7 and 10 tablet devices) Nov 17 18:47:53 it's conceivable a tablet would have a keyboard, although that does seem unlikely Nov 17 18:48:34 It seems very unlikely, I think, unless Stingray is some kind of weird Epic 4G/N900 type thing, at which point... It's not really a tablet at that point Nov 17 18:49:02 true Nov 17 18:49:16 And if Mantaray is a tablet, why name a second device so similar if it's going to be a tablet, and a not tablet? Nov 17 18:49:38 right, the naming does seem to indicate they're both similar devices Nov 17 18:51:30 quite frankly, I want a tablet before a new phone device Nov 17 18:51:43 but I know most people really want a new phone Nov 17 18:52:30 A6 could be some kind of weird reference to the OMAP3630 or whatever Roadrunner is using Nov 17 18:53:15 Which could also mean that the Stingray device is using an OMAP3630 as well, while Mantaray (which would, given the name, more than likely be larger than the Stingray device) could be using OMAP4? Nov 17 18:54:02 that seems like a weird naming scheme Nov 17 18:55:46 Yeah, but I see it more along the lines of Apple refering to a Cortex-A8 and PowerVR GPU as being an "A4" Nov 17 18:56:14 A6 could simple be an internal name for the CPU/GPU system on a chip Nov 17 18:57:08 I suppose Nov 17 18:58:02 And referring, internally, to something as an A6 is a lot easier than going and saying "OMAP3630 and PowerVR SGX 530" in documents, etc Nov 17 18:58:51 granted Nov 17 18:59:53 Of course it's all just conjecture, and a little bit me hoping that Palm is/was smart enough to not try to do a 320x400 full touch based device with an onscreen virtual keyboard :p Nov 17 19:00:30 Thinking about it I think that if the rumored Mansion device is real, that it's been renamed Windsor internally Nov 17 19:15:18 howdy Nov 17 19:15:46 hi Nov 17 19:16:45 cant wait for dev day announcements Nov 17 19:25:25 free pre2 for every developer :) Nov 17 19:26:23 * oil hopes Nov 17 19:26:39 * oil is leaving space for it in his bag xD Nov 17 19:28:19 does anyone in the US have a pre2? Nov 17 19:28:20 :( Nov 17 19:32:07 palm does :) Nov 17 19:32:38 * haeffb_ will throw stuff out of bag to make space Nov 17 19:37:41 agreed..good thing I'm driving most of the way Nov 17 19:38:25 if you got a pre2, why would it even end up in your bag, and not in your hands to play with? :P Nov 17 19:39:04 well I need somewhere to put my old phone ;) I need to keep it around for more extreme..uh..testing Nov 17 19:39:13 haeffb_: lol Nov 17 19:39:30 "no, socks? get these socks OUT OF MY BAG!" Nov 17 19:47:37 bye chuqui Nov 17 19:48:06 pre2 Nov 17 19:48:14 i'm waiting for the pre2 Nov 17 19:48:21 * haeffb gets on a plane in about 20 hours Nov 17 19:49:48 YOU WILL BE GROPED BY THE TSA! Nov 17 19:50:04 watch your phone! Nov 17 19:50:12 flywithdignity.com Nov 17 19:52:05 checking to see if "explodeinmidairwithdignity.org" is available Nov 17 19:52:19 doitdoitdoitdoit Nov 17 19:52:39 it's not too long ya think? Nov 17 19:54:30 heh, you might get a visit from the feds Nov 17 19:55:12 :[ Nov 17 19:56:10 * haeffb looking forward to a good groping Nov 17 19:56:28 me i i wouldnt care about it Nov 17 19:56:38 * halfhalo makes annonymous tipoff to the TSA about haeffb Nov 17 19:56:39 my 5yr girl, thats another thing.. Nov 17 19:57:18 personally it's more just the principle of the whole thing Nov 17 19:57:58 meh, as long as it's a chick doing my groping. I'll do my part to fight terrorism. VIVA AMERICA! Nov 17 19:58:16 I mean, really. Israel won't use the backscatter scanners because they say they flat out don't work and cause way more problems then they solve, and Israel has a LOT more people living right next door that would want nothing more than to blow them up :p Nov 17 19:58:22 hmm, precentral stole my tweet Nov 17 19:58:24 http://twitter.com/#!/twtomcat/status/4925091573923840 Nov 17 19:58:25 ./sarcasm for those that missed it Nov 17 19:59:09 THIS IS AMERICA DAMMIT! Nov 17 20:00:11 if you cant explain it to a 5yr old and have it make sense, it doesnt make sense.. Nov 17 20:00:13 swisstomcat: saw the dev day app.. nice :) Nov 17 20:00:38 SineOt: i love that pleated clothing defeats the backscatter images Nov 17 20:00:44 dohtem: still need the detailed schedule tho Nov 17 20:01:04 swisstomcat: Isn't that up now? Nov 17 20:01:37 halfhalo: it doesn't seem very detailed (what?where?who?) or am i missing something? Nov 17 20:02:29 hold on, wifi is refusing to load ANYTHING Nov 17 20:02:45 http://host.regsvc.com/Palm/E2/Dev%20Day%20NYC_Agenda_FINAL.pdf Nov 17 20:02:58 has anyone used the private app feeds to distribute testing/review versions of their apps? Nov 17 20:04:51 the Lightening Round looks sweet Nov 17 20:04:52 Oh man there's a brewery event too? :'C Nov 17 20:07:55 There was one last time as well Nov 17 20:08:27 Wait, what? Enyo? Nov 17 20:08:27 oh Nov 17 20:08:35 What's Enyo? D: Nov 17 20:08:56 Yeah, saw the enyo thing, looks interesting... but sounds like a loooong ways off, like node was last devdays Nov 17 20:08:57 the guy that plays that new age yoga music i think Nov 17 20:09:04 halfhalo: didn't see that one yet Nov 17 20:09:31 a brewery event?????? Nov 17 20:09:42 halfhalo: but at last DevDays, did they show off apps running Node? Nov 17 20:09:57 no Nov 17 20:10:02 Since the schedule says that Matt will show off applications built with enyo Nov 17 20:11:04 "Master of productivity" Nov 17 20:11:50 I can't find anything on Google about an Enyo Framework Nov 17 20:11:57 aside from a C# based project Nov 17 20:18:31 enyo=mojo successor? Nov 17 20:19:53 possibly... Nov 17 20:20:37 What in the world is Enyo @_@ Nov 17 20:22:17 I'd have thought that Mojo2 was the Mojo successor Nov 17 20:22:25 Unless Enyo is going to be the public version of Mojo2 Nov 17 20:28:01 SineOt: I hear Windsor is not really something that is going to be seen Nov 17 20:28:41 What do you mean? That it's not a device that's designed for the public, or that it's something like a printer (in that it's going to go on a desk and not really be 'seen') Nov 17 20:29:02 the former, or perhaps a "test board" or something..not sure Nov 17 20:29:21 sugardave: is that from memory, too? Nov 17 20:29:28 in fact, it is :P Nov 17 20:29:55 part of me thinks it's not a test board, because then... why give it a fancy internal codename? Nov 17 20:30:06 yeah Nov 17 20:30:35 Going off the fact that it's named after the largest inhabited castle in the world, maybe it's a webOS TV :V Nov 17 20:31:21 cardview would be an awesome way to channel surf Nov 17 20:31:58 who do we think is developing these devices? Nov 17 20:32:02 ahhhhhhhahaha, going off the deepend here for a moment Nov 17 20:32:14 indeed Nov 17 20:32:26 i should very much like to h4x them and steal the infos Nov 17 20:32:47 Broadway: Small, no replaceable battery, 320x400 resolution, functions as the remote for... Nov 17 20:32:47 Windsor: The webOS TV set top box! :V Nov 17 20:33:19 maik: all my bets are on Foxconn doing the actual manufacturing. Just go to China, I'm sure you'd be able to get all the leaks you ever wanted Nov 17 20:33:40 there was some speculation (by me) in #webos-internals about windsor being a Pre 3....but then a "reliable source" said we won't be seeing windsor Nov 17 20:33:46 I mean hell, the touchscreen for the new iPod Nano leaked like 4 months before the iPod got announced. Nov 17 20:34:07 Along with the unibodies for the Macbook Pros a few weeks prior Nov 17 20:34:21 i want HP to not screw this up Nov 17 20:34:25 And at least 3 seperate leaks that I know of of iPhone 4 bodies Nov 17 20:34:30 i want HP Palm execs to not be jumping ship right and left Nov 17 20:34:50 So if Apple, one of the most secretive companies in the world can have stuff leak off the factory floors in China... I'm sure you could get Palm stuff :p Nov 17 20:35:24 If you're on the Apple campus you have to have any preproduction devices hidden under a black sheet if you're working on them, ffs Nov 17 20:35:25 I'm unconvinced that Apples "leaks" aren't hype building Nov 17 20:35:47 http://yfrog.com/j2bgkp Nov 17 20:35:51 The leaks are mostly because people actually care about it and actively go seek them out, I think Nov 17 20:36:04 ya, Palm doesn't have that following Nov 17 20:36:06 and because blogs/websites were willing to pay the leakers most likely Nov 17 20:36:17 If you're running a tech site, no one cares if you find some HP board in China Nov 17 20:36:32 swisstomcat: ? Nov 17 20:36:38 but if you find an inch square touch screen with an Apple copyright on it, suddenly you're getting picked up all over the place Nov 17 20:36:46 maik: my dev day app :) Nov 17 20:36:51 swisstomcat: grtz Nov 17 20:37:01 As the rumor mill churns out theory after theory as to what it is Nov 17 20:37:33 summatusmentis: and, on the topic of Apple leaks being plants... I think it's just more that Apple knows not to comment if something does leak, after learning their lesson with Asteroid Nov 17 20:37:45 I loved that game Nov 17 20:37:51 but always avoid accelerating Nov 17 20:38:12 Asteroid being a firewire breakout box that was designed to interface with Garageband, and have midi inputs and mic inputs and a built in guitar amp, etc Nov 17 20:38:38 It leaked and Apple took up a huge legal battle around it trying to find sources and all it really did was make the tech blog industry go "Oh, so it IS real!" Nov 17 20:38:51 SineOt: perhaps that's true Nov 17 20:39:25 The last time they chased leaks was with the 2G iPod Nano, they sent out C&D orders for some blurry cam pics, and again, all it did was make the tech blog industry go "Oh, so it IS real!" Nov 17 20:39:53 The iPhone 4 bit was different I think only for the fact that instead of being photos of a device, it was the -entire- device. Nov 17 20:40:18 also, they chased stuff down, and then seemingly stopped all of a sudden Nov 17 20:40:46 And even then, Gizmodo was basically bear bating. They wouldn't return the phone until Apple sent them, on company letter head, that the device was in fact their property... And then turned around, posted a scan of the letter, and went "NENER NENER TOLD YOU GUYS IT WAS LEGIT" Nov 17 20:41:38 summatusmentis: because Jason Chen realized he was fucked and did a 180 and decided to completely comply with anything Apple asked of him, instead of trying to hide behind the "I bought stolen property but I'm a journalist and I have first amendment rights to not disclose my sources!!!" Nov 17 20:41:47 well, I mean, yeah Nov 17 20:41:49 >.> Nov 17 20:42:01 so it all got solved a lot quieter since he shut up and quit fighting it Nov 17 20:42:41 The big thing with the iPhone 4 that got found is the fact that it was in a hard case that was designed to make it look exactly like an iPhone 3GS (which seems to get forgotten in most of the reporting about it) Nov 17 20:43:01 hmm, 2.0 features and implementation for facebook or frameworks landscape survey? Nov 17 20:43:35 why is that a big thing? that was also reported on the day the leak happened Nov 17 20:44:08 if you're intentionally going to leak something why go to the lengths to design a one off case to make something you're -wanting- to leak not look like what you're wanting to leak? Nov 17 20:44:23 i came back to say goodbye for now Nov 17 20:44:33 bye, swisstomcat Nov 17 20:44:43 c u Nov 17 20:46:50 SineOt: oh, I see. The conspiracy theorist in me says that they'd do it so they don't appear as though they're leaking it, because their reputation is based on being a very secretive company Nov 17 20:47:16 (not that there's any real evidence of this) Nov 17 20:48:03 Well, yeah... But if you're intentionally leaking something getting police involved in it is probably not a good idea lest it all backfires, etc Nov 17 20:49:29 SineOt: granted Nov 17 20:49:56 I think what fuels the conspiracy theories is Apple's stance of kind of... "don't ask don't tell" about leaks Nov 17 20:50:12 that's probably true Nov 17 20:50:24 and you're probably right, it's probably better for them to not acknowledge Nov 17 20:51:50 I've followed apple rumors for a long, long time... And after the Asteroid thing they pretty much stopped commenting on them Nov 17 20:52:18 I only sort of follow apple rumors Nov 17 20:52:31 (Asteroid went down way back when in the olden days of... 2004) Nov 17 20:52:48 it's a constant battle for me between the pretty-ness of their products, and the practicality of wanting more functionality Nov 17 20:53:11 oh man, Asteroid Nov 17 20:53:21 back when they gave a shit about GarageBand Nov 17 20:54:14 hah, yeah. It would have been a pretty awesome product if it launched Nov 17 20:54:39 morning Nov 17 20:55:46 "We'll be raffling off the newly announced Palm Pre 2 to attendees throughout the day. The new device will be the first to run webOS 2.0, currently available through our Early Access program. " Nov 17 20:56:06 is it possible to listen to/intercept notifications made by other applications? Nov 17 20:56:15 haeffb: where did you read that? Nov 17 20:56:28 Palm Developer Network Newsletter Nov 17 20:56:52 ughhh linux, linux. :C Why do you keep crashing the... I don't even know what. Goodbye 3D/2D accelleration! Nov 17 20:56:57 emailed to (I assume) attendees of Dev Day Nov 17 20:56:59 fuck, a raffle? Nov 17 20:57:03 that blows Nov 17 20:57:16 sugardave: dont feel so lucky? Nov 17 20:57:23 sugardave: they might do something like Burger King... Pre2 every 5 minutes! Nov 17 20:57:40 yeah, "throughout the day" doesn't mean that they're not giving out a bunch of them Nov 17 20:57:43 * sugardave is not lucky except when hunting bugs. Nov 17 20:57:49 sineOt, what's going on with your workstation? Nov 17 20:58:08 bastian: not that I know. Nov 17 20:58:33 dunno, no idea really. Sometimes it just flicks and all the 3D/2D acceleration dies and it falls over to some god awful "Windows Classic" type theme. :C Nov 17 20:59:00 hmm... what distro and version? Nov 17 20:59:17 hello Nov 17 20:59:23 hotdp_pre: hola Nov 17 20:59:49 bastian: you might be able to do it, but that app wouldn't make it in the catalog Nov 17 21:00:00 JSpecMugen: Ubuntu 10.10, using Unity/netbook on a GMA950 based netbook Nov 17 21:00:12 so, am I correct that sendToNotificationChain is in-app only? Nov 17 21:00:20 supakilla: that would be fine with me Nov 17 21:00:29 erm, sugardave Nov 17 21:00:34 very windy in nyc :-) Nov 17 21:00:46 ahhh... hmm. I've not had a lot of success with unity either Nov 17 21:01:15 i always end up turning it off or removing it all together Nov 17 21:01:16 bastian: sendToNoti... is for in-app only, yeah Nov 17 21:01:34 it would be nice to be able to do sth when the music player changes the song Nov 17 21:01:39 bastian: as for monitoring it, not sure how youwould do it, but maybe #webos-internals can help Nov 17 21:01:56 sugardave: thanks, will ask there Nov 17 21:03:11 JSpecMugen: I actually really like Unity... I think it's a great project so far... Has a few bugs but it looks nice. It makes a better use of my netbook screen, at least, since it collapses menus into the top bar. Nov 17 21:09:26 business cards....hmm.... Nov 17 21:11:37 will you be giving some out? Nov 17 21:11:43 SineOt, oh yeah, I agree that it'll be a more effective way of interacting with smaller displays. they just need to get the kinks ironed out Nov 17 21:12:16 yeah, like the whole fact that apparently for purposes of the browser, it doesn't count the side "dock" thing as being taking up space... It still assumes a 1024 width Nov 17 21:12:31 dohtem: I don't really have any, but I might make my wife print some Nov 17 21:13:30 I'm also looking at the problem of bringing my laptop...damn thing doesn't keep power for an hour off the juice Nov 17 21:13:37 moo.com is good if you need some in the future. I dont think they will ship in time for this weekend tho. Nov 17 21:13:50 dohtem: ah, cool Nov 17 21:14:19 SineOt, ack! Nov 17 21:14:22 lol Nov 17 21:14:37 it's sym-ack. noob Nov 17 21:14:41 syn* Nov 17 21:14:54 :) Nov 17 21:16:22 looks like this AT&T device takes longer to boot up Nov 17 21:16:54 hehe :) Nov 17 21:17:09 it also has a different launcher than my pre Nov 17 21:17:20 so i can't find anything concerning this new app framework Enyo Nov 17 21:17:26 is that how it's spelt? Nov 17 21:18:05 I think Ponyo when someone types Enyo here Nov 17 21:19:04 JSpecMugen: Yeah, I can't find anything either. Nov 17 21:19:17 hmm Nov 17 21:19:23 Only thing coding related I found was a window/form management thing for C#, and I don't think Palm is going to be using that :V Nov 17 21:19:40 good lord i hope not Nov 17 21:19:42 lol Nov 17 21:19:58 ;) Nov 17 21:20:05 chuqui: is Enyo something under NDA? I assume it's public knowledge since it's in the Dev Days schedule Nov 17 21:20:34 enyo hasn't been talked about yet. Nov 17 21:20:41 it's a sikrit! Nov 17 21:20:51 secret squirrel Nov 17 21:20:53 hasn't been talked about in public or early access. so all I can say is that "enyo" is a thing. Nov 17 21:20:58 aside from the mention in Dev Days schedule and that it's ready enough to have apps get shown off Nov 17 21:21:05 * halfhalo hopes its a shiny thing Nov 17 21:21:28 thanks, chuqui Nov 17 21:21:35 chuqui, do you know how many pre 2 there will be at the raffle? i need one! Nov 17 21:21:37 even if that only makes enyo even more ~mysterious~ Nov 17 21:21:44 chuqui: From your statement, I have concluded that Enyo is the new mystery device. 4 inches, all touchscreen, 2 GHz on T-Mobile next month! Nov 17 21:22:34 "This session offers a sneak peek of what's next for JavaScript development on webOS. Learn about the benefits of the next-generation framework and its impact on webOS developers. In addition to giving an overview of the framework and supporting tools, Matt will demonstrate applications built using this new technology." Nov 17 21:22:41 For those that hadn't seen it in the Dev Days schedule Nov 17 21:23:17 no no no, Enyo is the male alter-ego of Enya Nov 17 21:23:19 gah Nov 17 21:24:51 yo peeps Nov 17 21:24:55 hotdp_pre: no, I don't. Nov 17 21:25:01 imma get a pre2 when they come out so pls release them soon Nov 17 21:25:16 dohtem: you can conclude whatever you want. chances are, though, you're wrong. Nov 17 21:25:25 :) Nov 17 21:25:33 but I can't say that, because we haven't said what it is, so I can't confirm what it isn't. Nov 17 21:25:43 better to wait until after dev day, when there's more than a name. Nov 17 21:25:52 after over 6000km i fell a little frustrated about a "raffle" Nov 17 21:25:55 well, but there is more than a name XD Nov 17 21:26:00 "chuqui doesn't deny that Enyo is a new Palm device." Nov 17 21:26:00 pfftt.. tmobile Nov 17 21:26:09 it says right there it's a Javascript App Framework :p Nov 17 21:26:33 haeffb: chuqui denies that chuqui actually said anything. Nov 17 21:26:41 was a devday device announcement just confirmed by chuqui?! Nov 17 21:26:47 xD Nov 17 21:26:51 OMGOMGOMGOMGOMG Nov 17 21:27:00 chuqui: you're going to be in nyc? Nov 17 21:27:01 oil: nope. Nov 17 21:27:11 somebody tip Dieter, hurry! Nov 17 21:27:17 I won't be in NYC. staying home to watch the fort. Nov 17 21:27:22 sorry, chuqui, the channel is logged. Nov 17 21:27:38 you can't deny that you didn't deny Nov 17 21:27:49 sure I can. Nov 17 21:27:54 * oil is about to drive to seattle to fly to nyc tomorrow Nov 17 21:27:58 he can just be proven wrong >.> Nov 17 21:28:01 doh. Nov 17 21:28:12 oil: safe travels. Nov 17 21:28:25 apparently its snowin on the mountains Nov 17 21:28:29 do we have a dinner spot yet? Nov 17 21:28:33 lol Nov 17 21:28:36 some suggestions were made Nov 17 21:28:47 but nobody has pulled the trigger, afaik Nov 17 21:29:02 chuqui: thank you for putting up with my stupid questions :] Nov 17 21:29:11 oil is gonna crash! Nov 17 21:29:18 * oil tries not to Nov 17 21:29:42 well, you folks have fun. I'm going to go not confirm stuff quietly for a while. Nov 17 21:30:05 lol Nov 17 21:30:11 hah Nov 17 21:30:16 haha Nov 17 21:30:17 heh Nov 17 21:30:32 ;_; Nov 17 21:30:58 oil, this is *tomorrow night*, right? Nov 17 21:31:03 chuqui, do you think we can buy pre 2 if we don't win in raffle? Nov 17 21:31:11 i dont think chuq would accidentially say that, i bet he is just trying to throw us off Nov 17 21:31:22 haeffb: yeah Nov 17 21:31:32 sugardave: how is the launcher different? Nov 17 21:32:03 it's got a transparent background Nov 17 21:32:22 hmm... never noticed that before Nov 17 21:34:42 * haeffb sees no cheeseburgers on the menu at the sushi places... Nov 17 21:35:21 haeffb: I didn't really try some sushi until about 5 years ago. it is delicious Nov 17 21:36:34 I'm game for sushi, but oil wants cheezburger Nov 17 21:36:52 sugardave: same here. Now I cant have enough. Nov 17 21:36:56 go grab a steak and a beer Nov 17 21:36:57 ;d Nov 17 21:37:41 is sushi good if you have hangover? Nov 17 21:37:48 hmmm Nov 17 21:37:50 unknown Nov 17 21:37:58 hotdp_pre: i know beer is :D Nov 17 21:38:04 around here they say menudo is the best hangover cure Nov 17 21:38:14 but I would rather die than eat menudo, I think Nov 17 21:38:27 whats that? Nov 17 21:38:35 it's tripe stew, basically Nov 17 21:38:40 i got to many martinis yesterday but had to see nyc anyway.. have been hard today Nov 17 21:39:15 hotdp_pre: go grab a beer it will do u good ;) i always get a beer when i'm hangover ;d Nov 17 21:39:51 i know.. but for me its good with a beer. but sometimes its VERY bad.. Nov 17 21:40:01 oh Nov 17 21:40:06 so grab a shot of vodka then ;d Nov 17 21:40:07 lol Nov 17 21:40:17 no way Nov 17 21:40:27 my breath was still wodka Nov 17 21:40:57 water Nov 17 21:40:59 lots of it Nov 17 21:41:11 best to alternate a glass of water between drinks Nov 17 21:41:23 you can almost eliminate the chance of a hangover the next day that way Nov 17 21:41:42 anyone want to start a #webos twitter/tumblr follow train? Nov 17 21:42:07 Gatorade always does me good Nov 17 21:42:14 how do you raffel in USA? Nov 17 21:42:22 JSpecMugen: http://lanyrd.com/2010/webos-developer-day-november/ Nov 17 21:42:42 oh sweet! Nov 17 21:42:46 thanks mate Nov 17 21:43:14 np, ben posted that in the forums Nov 17 21:43:54 i wish i could attend :( i'm all the way down in Arizona though Nov 17 21:43:56 hotdp_pre: it's probably just going to be all the attendees' names and some way of randomly picking them Nov 17 21:44:07 bbiab Nov 17 21:44:10 o/ crew Nov 17 21:44:33 hotdp_pre: but, true raffles are when you buy a ticket. 1 ticket = 1 chance to win, etc. Nov 17 21:44:37 haeffb: i was going to call them to see if they had better food :) Nov 17 21:44:53 but if all else fails, im sure they've got a salad or something like that i could get Nov 17 21:44:58 okay then its the same as in dk. but we call it something else Nov 17 21:45:01 oil: sushi is good Nov 17 21:45:08 or just get drinks Nov 17 21:45:18 oil you don't like sushi? Nov 17 21:45:24 no Nov 17 21:45:34 * hotdp_pre have never eaten sushi Nov 17 21:45:56 what do you not like about it? Nov 17 21:46:03 you guys are missing out Nov 17 21:46:06 idk what's so special about sushi Nov 17 21:46:14 it's just a raw fish with some rice or whatever Nov 17 21:46:15 :S Nov 17 21:46:25 en0x: it's tasty...I like the tuna and the sea bass Nov 17 21:46:33 ;] Nov 17 21:46:43 i like my big tasty juicy steak Nov 17 21:46:44 :D Nov 17 21:47:05 well, sure...I just don't know how them yankees do at grillin' tasty cows Nov 17 21:47:07 * hotdp_pre will taste sushi for the first time if i get a Pre 2 at dev days. Nov 17 21:47:11 most places in the US dont do it traditionally with raw fish. There's deep fried crap, lobster, scallops (i think), fried eel and more Nov 17 21:47:30 crab* Nov 17 21:48:09 maybe Nov 17 21:48:13 that's why i'm not eating it Nov 17 21:48:17 that's the appetizer menu at many restaurants here Nov 17 21:48:33 except eel I haven't seen Nov 17 21:48:45 I also like fried alligator bites Nov 17 21:48:55 i never had an alligator bites Nov 17 21:49:08 oh man, they are fluffy and delicious Nov 17 21:49:16 apparently like rattlesanke (which I've never had) Nov 17 21:49:19 i like fried calamri tho Nov 17 21:49:20 :D Nov 17 21:49:24 hell yeah Nov 17 21:49:46 sugardave: are you in the south? Nov 17 21:49:53 oh yea Nov 17 21:49:56 TX Nov 17 21:49:56 he is from texas Nov 17 21:50:00 :P Nov 17 21:50:02 fried alligator bites sounds so southern Nov 17 21:50:03 heh Nov 17 21:50:06 indeed Nov 17 21:50:16 do u have any texaco stocks? :> Nov 17 21:50:20 haha Nov 17 21:50:24 do you have a chain called Pappadeaux where you live? Nov 17 21:50:31 nope Nov 17 21:50:31 sugardave: sure! Nov 17 21:50:32 en0x: Exxon/Mobil ;) Nov 17 21:50:41 * dohtem is in Northern CA Nov 17 21:50:47 Pappadeaux has alligator bites on the appetizer menu Nov 17 21:51:06 well i heard that in tx u bbq everyday :D Nov 17 21:51:29 yeah, there is a lot of bbq here...bbq, steaks, tex-mex...we got it going on with the deliciousness Nov 17 21:51:53 * dohtem loves Tex-Mex Nov 17 21:52:17 dohtem: don't take this the wrong way, but I've had CA's version of tex-mex Nov 17 21:52:26 and you should come here sometime Nov 17 21:52:46 ha Nov 17 21:52:50 hehe Nov 17 21:53:03 the guantlet has been thrown! Nov 17 21:53:08 haha Nov 17 22:01:23 anyone else get an unexpected package today from palm? Nov 17 22:01:50 I got my plus yesterday, is that it? Nov 17 22:02:27 yeah Nov 17 22:02:29 * dohtem did Nov 17 22:02:32 but i already got one a long time ago Nov 17 22:02:45 hmmm, maybe you got counted twice Nov 17 22:02:51 sucks Nov 17 22:02:56 you can give it to me if you don't want it Nov 17 22:03:02 now i have 2 AT&T Pixi Plus's Nov 17 22:03:23 it's a pixi? Nov 17 22:03:43 pickles mc nickles Nov 17 22:03:52 I'd love an unexpected package from palm :( Nov 17 22:03:53 yeh i already have a sprint pre, for a dev phone i asked for a pixi, but if i knew i was getting a second one i would have asked for a pre Nov 17 22:04:06 I didn't get to back up all of my Memos before the phone died Nov 17 22:04:16 ah, I see Nov 17 22:04:36 I haven't been home for a week...maybe a package is waiting for me. Nov 17 22:04:56 i want a package from palm too Nov 17 22:05:40 my pre is getting more cracks :S Nov 17 22:06:58 dawm: I'll email you my address... Nov 17 22:07:05 ;] Nov 17 22:07:08 heh Nov 17 22:07:21 dawm: I'll even pay for shipping Nov 17 22:07:34 that IS a bargain Nov 17 22:07:34 it would be epic if they would send a superphone instead of pre or pixi :D Nov 17 22:07:39 Tibfib: you didnt get in on the program? Nov 17 22:07:40 yeah i was gonna offer it up if someone wanted to pay the shipping Nov 17 22:07:51 I got a pre plus... wouldn't mind a pixi plus Nov 17 22:07:54 en0x i was hoping it was a pre2 ;p Nov 17 22:08:08 dawm: if you are serious, I'll pay it Nov 17 22:08:11 dawm: yeah right :D u will never get a pre2 Nov 17 22:08:11 :p Nov 17 22:08:32 * sugardave will. Nov 17 22:08:35 somehow Nov 17 22:08:46 * sugardave eyes everyone suspiciously. Nov 17 22:09:25 i want pre2 which will work on sprint coz i don't want to switch carieers Nov 17 22:09:38 en0x: don't hold your breath Nov 17 22:09:55 im not my pre is falling apart :S tho Nov 17 22:10:02 and i got no tep Nov 17 22:10:05 ;] Nov 17 22:10:11 oh no Nov 17 22:11:38 mines falling apart, ive got tep but i wont exchange ;p Nov 17 22:11:49 my pre wears its battle scars proudly :D Nov 17 22:11:59 hehe Nov 17 22:12:11 slate pre on sprint please Nov 17 22:12:12 ;-; Nov 17 22:12:30 u wont get shit on sprint Nov 17 22:12:31 ;P Nov 17 22:12:43 friggin android central Nov 17 22:13:08 :(( Nov 17 22:14:02 I have to think that Sprint will get another webOS device...or they just really don't give a crap about an arguably small but vocal group of their customers Nov 17 22:14:32 at this point i'm inclined to believe the latter Nov 17 22:14:39 well Nov 17 22:14:42 they are a corporation Nov 17 22:15:27 right, so we should expect to get fucked Nov 17 22:15:38 pretty much Nov 17 22:15:46 I guess if they're just gonna give hewlett mofuggin packard the middle finger, they better meego hard Nov 17 22:15:58 meego sucks Nov 17 22:16:00 but corporations shouldn't like to piss off people that pay them money for a service they can get elsewhere Nov 17 22:16:09 truth Nov 17 22:16:39 there are a lot of things corporations shouldn't do Nov 17 22:16:41 but i'm willing to be the majority of people who have webOS phones and prefer Sprint will just switch to Android or WP7 if they decide to not carry any webOS devices Nov 17 22:16:50 s/be/bet/ Nov 17 22:17:19 yeah carrier lockin really just helps android Nov 17 22:17:20 maik: yeah, that could be their big gamble there Nov 17 22:17:27 whoa who would have thought Nov 17 22:17:37 maybe android benefits the carriers more than the customers! Nov 17 22:17:45 right Nov 17 22:17:57 Sprint knows they're making money and will continue to make money off of Android Nov 17 22:18:01 and don't forget the manufacturers Nov 17 22:18:09 whoever loses, motorola wins Nov 17 22:18:23 I will exchange my pre before I get a new device. Nov 17 22:19:01 i'll probably end up buying a VZW webOS device to use on Sprint Nov 17 22:19:22 I can not leave sprint Nov 17 22:19:39 my only other options are US Cellular and a local company Nov 17 22:19:45 yeah my parents are on sprint paying for simply everything Nov 17 22:19:46 hah Nov 17 22:19:54 and I am a poor and jobless college student Nov 17 22:20:01 Verizon won't sell to me. AT&T won't sell to me. T-Mobile won't sell to me. Nov 17 22:20:24 maik: sprint won't activate a verizon device Nov 17 22:20:26 so, you can just walk into a vzw store, buy a phone off-contract and then take it to sprint to make it work? Nov 17 22:20:31 oh Nov 17 22:21:01 need to find if the pre radio will work in a pre2 Nov 17 22:21:04 haeffb: i know the guy who owns the local Sprint franchises, so if its a matter of willingness, i've got that in the bag Nov 17 22:21:23 if its technically impossible that's something else Nov 17 22:21:27 i thought it took like Nov 17 22:21:28 magic Nov 17 22:21:38 to get cdma devices to work on other cdma carriers Nov 17 22:22:22 torchie: why? Nov 17 22:22:23 maik: get him to do mine after yours... :) Nov 17 22:22:28 haeffb: heh Nov 17 22:22:29 moi aussi Nov 17 22:22:32 becuase maaaaagiiiiiiiiic Nov 17 22:22:40 if it comes to it i will let you know Nov 17 22:22:41 torchie: Mojo is magic Nov 17 22:22:42 I think it's willingness. Nov 17 22:22:53 so there's a chance Nov 17 22:22:56 all it takes is a little mojo Nov 17 22:23:02 so play your cards right Nov 17 22:23:14 and penetrate the simple directmedia layer Nov 17 22:23:33 huh huh you said Nov 17 22:23:35 simple Nov 17 22:23:40 haha Nov 17 22:23:51 i bet you thought i was going to say penetrate Nov 17 22:23:52 or layer Nov 17 22:23:55 _layer_ Nov 17 22:24:33 i thought you were going to say banana Nov 17 22:24:50 and I'm glad you didn't Nov 17 22:24:50 this shit _is_ bananas Nov 17 22:24:56 O-R-A-N-G-E-S Nov 17 22:25:08 heh, it still workes Nov 17 22:25:11 less syllables though Nov 17 22:25:13 :) Nov 17 22:25:21 this shit is pineapples Nov 17 22:26:03 on a side note the LG optimus is a bust Nov 17 22:26:10 argh.. females.. Nov 17 22:26:13 only $49! Nov 17 22:26:18 (after 100 dollar rebate) Nov 17 22:26:27 android? Nov 17 22:26:29 its not my fault if you ask for my opinion on something and you dont like what i say, and then get all pissed off.. Nov 17 22:26:35 anderp Nov 17 22:26:38 dawm: yes, it is. Nov 17 22:26:42 I wish Nov 17 22:26:42 torchie: hurrr Nov 17 22:26:43 dawm: that's a classic mistake Nov 17 22:26:44 n00b Nov 17 22:26:48 srsly Nov 17 22:26:50 I could use my upgrade credit to somehow get a pre on the cheap Nov 17 22:27:03 dawm: you need to work on your mind-reading skills Nov 17 22:27:28 oh yeah Nov 17 22:27:38 and my 'tone' over IMs.. Nov 17 22:27:45 haha Nov 17 22:27:56 how the hell does letters on the screen have a tone Nov 17 22:28:08 wrap everything tags Nov 17 22:28:09 need a point of view gun Nov 17 22:28:33 then you can say like "what the fuck, bitch, of course i meant [so-and-so]. what are you, stupid?" Nov 17 22:28:40 hahaha Nov 17 22:28:44 :D Nov 17 22:29:32 that's why they call it extensible! Nov 17 22:29:47 what i should do is make a post about how i hate it when people do that.. that would really make her mad Nov 17 22:29:51 on facebook Nov 17 22:30:09 yes, dawm, not a good idea Nov 17 22:30:13 wife or girlfriend? Nov 17 22:30:18 you're playing a dangerous game, my friend Nov 17 22:30:20 ex Nov 17 22:30:23 oh Nov 17 22:30:24 oh, fuck em Nov 17 22:30:26 it's on Nov 17 22:30:28 heh Nov 17 22:30:59 is there anything at stake? like custody or money or anything? Nov 17 22:31:13 ex gf, but pretty much an exwife, together for 5 + friends for 6years after that Nov 17 22:31:15 friendship Nov 17 22:31:31 oh and shes supposed to be visiting this weekend Nov 17 22:31:37 from another state Nov 17 22:31:45 "less crazy"? Nov 17 22:31:50 or like Oregon Nov 17 22:32:01 WI and im in MI Nov 17 22:32:08 yeah if i did that she prolly wouldnt come Nov 17 22:32:21 well she probably wouldn't...nah Nov 17 22:32:34 but if thats happens i could prolly get out to dev day ;p Nov 17 22:33:02 they couldnt deny me at the door could they? :P Nov 17 22:33:04 gonna get any nookie out of it? Nov 17 22:33:15 ex visit, not dev day Nov 17 22:33:20 hahaha Nov 17 22:33:22 though now that i mention it Nov 17 22:33:35 lol unsure at this point, my opinion was pretty blunt Nov 17 22:33:52 was it "Stop being a woman." ? Nov 17 22:34:13 no but it was around the same subject (spending) Nov 17 22:34:42 eh. what's your ex's spending got to do with anything? Nov 17 22:34:46 she was thinking of getting a lien on one of her cars she just paid off, so she could pay off her credit cards (which have been paid off numerous times in the past by similar schemes) Nov 17 22:34:59 and i said thats prolly not a good idea, cause you're just gonna max em out again Nov 17 22:35:18 unless she's ready to cut them up and cancel them, ya Nov 17 22:35:31 no thats wont happen cause shes 'trying' to fix her credit Nov 17 22:35:37 closing accounts is bad for credit Nov 17 22:35:44 then just cut up the cards Nov 17 22:35:46 she can still cut them up Nov 17 22:35:48 that way she can't use them Nov 17 22:35:54 she wouldnt do that either Nov 17 22:36:06 how big of an array could I store with a cookie? Nov 17 22:36:06 keep stealing them? :T Nov 17 22:36:14 i would say keep one to pay bills on and then pay it off each month, but it doesn't sound like that would work for her either Nov 17 22:36:20 Tibfib: one that's <4k ? Nov 17 22:36:22 Tibfib: one that is less than 4K Nov 17 22:36:25 hah Nov 17 22:36:45 * Tibfib has no idea how big that is in array size... semi-big? Nov 17 22:36:51 times it by 5 Nov 17 22:36:55 think of it in terms of json Nov 17 22:37:05 each character is a byte Nov 17 22:37:14 hey what do you know, another day with absolutely zero information about the future of webos Nov 17 22:37:27 [{prop:value, prop2:value2}] Nov 17 22:37:28 Enyo is the future Nov 17 22:37:28 codeslaw: SURPRISE! Nov 17 22:37:37 codeslaw, its in the cards. Nov 17 22:37:39 dawm: times what by 5? Nov 17 22:37:42 Tibfib: that's how i would envision it Nov 17 22:37:46 what cards? Nov 17 22:37:48 anything Nov 17 22:37:53 times anything by 5 to find the answer Nov 17 22:38:03 don't forget to carry the 3 Nov 17 22:38:05 codeslaw: you missed the Enyo stuff and me BSing about codenames! :T Nov 17 22:38:07 210! Nov 17 22:38:24 42! Nov 17 22:38:32 maik: I'm just curious how many items I could store. Nov 17 22:38:38 Enyo - some mysterious API that we wont hear about until Q42011 Nov 17 22:38:40 I don't want to use sql or depot if a cookie would do Nov 17 22:38:47 Tibfib: how big are your items? Nov 17 22:38:47 codeslaw: 2012. Nov 17 22:38:54 fairly small Nov 17 22:39:02 Tibfib: you'll have to know how long the string will be that represents them Nov 17 22:39:17 Codeslaw: Enyo: some mysterious API that's getting shown off this Saturday at dev days :T Nov 17 22:39:17 take the average size of each property and divide it into 4000 Nov 17 22:39:19 that's how many Nov 17 22:39:24 with apparently working apps Nov 17 22:39:36 size as in length of "property:value" Nov 17 22:39:40 sugardave: so find lenght of "toString" Nov 17 22:39:42 ? Nov 17 22:39:46 I think so Nov 17 22:39:50 should get you close Nov 17 22:39:53 but it will be an object array so I don't think that'll work Nov 17 22:40:04 you can toJSON it Nov 17 22:40:07 SineOt: shown off, but released "Soon™ ©2009-2019 Hpalm" Nov 17 22:40:08 duh! Nov 17 22:40:12 sugardave: good thought. Nov 17 22:40:16 Tibfib: do you think it will ever reach 4k? Nov 17 22:40:26 I have no clue Nov 17 22:40:29 codeslaw: lol Nov 17 22:40:42 eh, from... someone who forgive me I can't remember who, said that last year they talked about Node, but didn't have any running apps, etc to show off Nov 17 22:41:01 So if Enyo is going to get shown off with running apps, I'd say it's a lot farther along than that Nov 17 22:41:15 betting on an Ares replacement Nov 17 22:41:26 sugardave: that Nov 17 22:41:35 s what I thought, but there's a panel on Ares the day before Nov 17 22:41:42 Why bother if you're just going to can Ares? Nov 17 22:42:13 so probably no device announcements at dev day? Nov 17 22:42:27 probably not Nov 17 22:42:59 no official ones...maybe we can get some Palm peeps sloshed enough to talk Nov 17 22:43:00 excuse me while i cry myself to sleep Nov 17 22:43:09 try hard, plz Nov 17 22:44:01 sugardave: so 4000 chars is my limit? Nov 17 22:44:17 I think so, if you assume 1 byte per character Nov 17 22:44:29 200 items gives me 9600 chars Nov 17 22:44:37 that's too many Nov 17 22:44:37 is it too late to register for dev day? Nov 17 22:44:41 I expect at the most 50 items. Nov 17 22:44:52 2400 baud Nov 17 22:45:10 dawm: I don't think so Nov 17 22:45:11 I'll go with a cookie for now Nov 17 22:45:21 cause according to facebook im free this weekend Nov 17 22:45:26 if crazy users have more than 50 items, I'll add another cookie :) Nov 17 22:45:33 well, more than 100 or so Nov 17 22:45:36 dawm: registration link appears to be active Nov 17 22:45:52 There's not going to be any like, live feeds or anything, are there Nov 17 22:45:55 ill have to make some calls into work and see if i can use a favor Nov 17 22:45:59 Tibfib: good, you can be the final word on whether the 4K limit is per cookie or for all cookies in an app Nov 17 22:46:12 oh, that's a great question Nov 17 22:46:30 I thought it was per cookie. Nov 17 22:46:47 but, I think they are stored in the same place so it could be per app. Nov 17 22:46:51 nobody knows (or nobody has bothered to find out) Nov 17 22:47:00 write a test app Nov 17 22:47:12 lemketron: PING Nov 17 22:47:22 haha Nov 17 22:47:23 this might satisify codeslaw's request for webos updates ;p Nov 17 22:47:40 i want to stick around for webos 2.0 :(! Nov 17 22:47:43 codeslaw wants more pixel control Nov 17 22:47:43 since it would be 'new' information regarding webos Nov 17 22:47:49 crap Nov 17 22:47:55 all of my bookmarks are on the pre too Nov 17 22:48:17 would be nice if we had online access to our profile data Nov 17 22:48:19 dawm: maybe. I don't like finding answers to my questions myself. More of an ask guy. :) Nov 17 22:48:22 seriously Nov 17 22:48:26 I've got so many memos Nov 17 22:48:49 dawm: I think we have limited access Nov 17 22:48:50 and I only switched to inglorious notes a week ago Nov 17 22:48:50 It would be nice if finding the remote wipe stuff wasn't an exercise in frustration. :p Nov 17 22:49:02 yeah if you log into your palm profile on a pc it's just Nov 17 22:49:05 WIPE PHONE? Nov 17 22:49:10 NO? OK LEAVE Nov 17 22:50:33 Hah, I like that logging in shows my phone as running... 1.40.50 :T Nov 17 22:52:22 T-mobile has a 25$/200MB data plan. Who thought that was a good idea? D: Nov 17 23:32:03 enyo is ares 2? Nov 17 23:32:46 ? Nov 17 23:33:02 checking out dev days schedule Nov 17 23:33:05 enyo framework Nov 17 23:33:24 they are keeping mum till Saturday Nov 17 23:33:43 no one really knows, I don't think it's Ares 2 though Nov 17 23:33:51 since there's an Ares event the day before Nov 17 23:34:05 got a pool going on it yet? Nov 17 23:34:12 i'll take a few squares Nov 17 23:34:26 But Enyo = goddess of war. Ares = god of war. Nov 17 23:34:45 good point Nov 17 23:34:58 There should be strong correlation between Ares and whatever they announce Nov 17 23:35:04 i'm not interested in a second framework for webOS, i'm interested in the first one working correctly Nov 17 23:40:11 Howday Nov 17 23:40:17 PDK version of Ares? Nov 17 23:40:29 PDK/webGL version of Ares? D: Nov 17 23:40:42 dohtem, you're on to something with the naming Nov 17 23:40:53 isnt the wrapper of ares another god? Nov 17 23:41:09 what's the name Nov 17 23:41:14 i cannot recall Nov 17 23:41:54 hold Nov 17 23:42:04 Emergency Lights update published :D Nov 17 23:42:28 the wrapper? Isn't it just called chrome? Nov 17 23:43:12 sorry Nov 17 23:43:16 its opus Nov 17 23:43:28 i thought it was titan or something witha t Nov 17 23:44:08 yeah, Opus isnt a greek god Nov 17 23:44:25 i swear theres soemthign with a T related to ares Nov 17 23:45:33 well sorta Nov 17 23:45:49 Opus was a son of Zeus Nov 17 23:46:12 http://www.mythindex.com/greek-mythology/O/Opus.html Nov 17 23:46:34 ah Nov 17 23:46:39 but in ares its context better fits with the other definition of Opus Nov 17 23:46:41 in architecture, a technique or a method or a style of connecting building elements, following the studies on Roman architecture: Nov 17 23:47:05 which is basically what opus does Nov 17 23:47:33 Opus was a an ancient greek city tho Nov 17 23:48:07 hey guys Nov 17 23:48:09 anyone here Nov 17 23:48:34 nope Nov 17 23:49:00 i need 2 know how to put the palm pixi into usbnet mode to use my 3g as my modem Nov 17 23:49:22 usbnet enable :T Nov 17 23:49:40 location Nov 17 23:49:46 did you try google? Nov 17 23:49:48 ya Nov 17 23:49:50 cause i totally found how Nov 17 23:49:58 i have the usb passthough tool Nov 17 23:50:00 with the search terms 'palm pixi usbnet enable' Nov 17 23:50:22 dawm: looking at the track description, I'm thinking an Ares specific framework. But that seems silly Nov 17 23:50:50 http://lmgtfy.com/?q=palm+pixi+usbnet+enable Nov 17 23:51:23 ok where do i get the drivers at Nov 17 23:52:12 32bit driver http://www.mediafire.com/?zznjmizhndw Nov 17 23:52:19 64bit driver http://www.mediafire.com/?33xdjtymmzn Nov 17 23:53:01 http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pixi/256833-how-tether-sprint-pixi.html Nov 17 23:53:05 thats a pixi specific thread Nov 17 23:53:10 Google is a powerful tool Nov 17 23:53:12 Use is wisely Nov 17 23:53:31 google is not safe to use Nov 17 23:53:40 lol Nov 17 23:53:54 its like using dynomite Nov 17 23:53:55 Google killed my family and cooked my cat Nov 17 23:54:04 was the cat yummy? Nov 17 23:54:34 I am writing this from a secret Google prison in Somalia Nov 17 23:54:55 Go Black Hawk Down on their ass! Nov 17 23:54:59 http://mashable.com/2010/10/21/why-does-the-web-love-cats/ Nov 17 23:57:39 ok guys Nov 17 23:57:42 im still confused Nov 17 23:57:51 do i need the tether program/ Nov 17 23:57:57 or wat Nov 17 23:58:02 cuse i cant find the dam drivers Nov 17 23:59:20 follow the instructions http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pixi/256833-how-tether-sprint-pixi.html Nov 17 23:59:23 they aren't that hard Nov 18 00:05:11 I really hate that msd18 guy Nov 18 00:05:20 ya ya shut up Nov 18 00:05:46 im new to webos development Nov 18 00:05:49 u can hate me all u want Nov 18 00:06:04 Oh, he's still here Nov 18 00:06:13 I don't hate you Nov 18 00:06:18 I hate your grammar, srsly. Nov 18 00:06:30 Or really, lack thereof Nov 18 00:07:12 Jeez...at least use proper punctuation when criticizing someone's grammar. Nov 18 00:07:42 Lack of trailing periods on the internet? Why I never! D: Nov 18 00:09:07 * haeffb is out until tomorrow. See some of you in NYC. Nov 18 00:09:30 ignore kesne Nov 18 00:09:45 Hehe Nov 18 00:09:54 haeffb: Nov 18 00:09:59 Loudergood: That was quite intended. Nov 18 00:10:22 kesne: o rly Nov 18 00:10:30 I see what you did thar Nov 18 00:10:37 hey whats the command to add another scene to my project? Nov 18 00:10:57 palm-generate scene or something like that Nov 18 00:11:08 out of all of you, i'd only like to punch kesne in the face Nov 18 00:11:19 dawm: Why do you way that? Nov 18 00:11:24 got it. thanks kesne Nov 18 00:11:36 i dont know Nov 18 00:11:39 its just a feeling Nov 18 00:11:44 maybe to say i did it? Nov 18 00:11:45 howdy folks Nov 18 00:11:45 dohtem: What I told you was quite wrong Nov 18 00:12:16 palm-generate -t new_scene -p "name=First" ~/projects/Ticker Nov 18 00:12:19 ^ Nov 18 00:12:19 i hope people embarass dave in some shape or fashion Nov 18 00:12:31 in a good way Nov 18 00:12:34 BMyers: Nov 18 00:12:41 kesne: you pointed me the right way tho :) Nov 18 00:12:57 send me you cell number Nov 18 00:13:04 r ^ Nov 18 00:13:36 dawm: In my down, it's a big deal to punch me Nov 18 00:13:38 pm Nov 18 00:13:41 got it Nov 18 00:13:47 see you soon Nov 18 00:13:52 have a nice trip Nov 18 00:14:02 Thanks. You'll be in on Friday morning? Nov 18 00:14:04 oh noes! Dont give out numbers on the internets! Nov 18 00:14:10 oops. dam. Nov 18 00:14:19 ok i have a problem guys Nov 18 00:14:20 yes. friday morning Nov 18 00:14:26 right. see you then. Nov 18 00:14:27 i cant find freetether for pixi Nov 18 00:14:31 ok so it looks like im not free this weekend now Nov 18 00:14:41 msd18: did you add the testing feeds in preware? Nov 18 00:14:41 unless i am so compelled as to make it there thur night Nov 18 00:14:45 ah well Nov 18 00:14:49 ya i did Nov 18 00:14:52 for the pixi only tho Nov 18 00:14:54 not the all Nov 18 00:15:14 it's under the all feed :T Nov 18 00:15:17 ok Nov 18 00:20:05 is it possible for the battery to prevent the phone from starting up completely Nov 18 00:20:42 yeah Nov 18 00:20:49 if you take it out right before its done it will do that Nov 18 00:21:43 hrm i wsa supposed to get my netflix today but i didnt Nov 18 00:22:47 I'm a total thug Nov 18 00:23:01 * kesne hopes nobody here saw me on the palmcast a while back... Nov 18 00:23:06 WTF is Ani? Nov 18 00:23:28 have a feed which is parsed every 10 seconds, but only want a sound to occur once when a new message comes in, what do you all recommend, Nov 18 00:24:31 kesne: you where the dude with the "thug life" tat? Nov 18 00:25:03 holy crap Nov 18 00:25:10 bought my tivo on the 13th Nov 18 00:25:16 new pricing went into effect on the 14th Nov 18 00:25:28 dawm: =( Nov 18 00:25:56 or 6ave just swindled a ton of people Nov 18 00:25:57 dawm: was it to your advantage? Nov 18 00:26:25 cause as of the 14th, if you buy a tivo at discount ($99) you have to pay the $19/m subscription Nov 18 00:26:29 dawm: ask nicely if they will do a price adjustment. Nov 18 00:26:38 i bought mine for $99 on the 13th Nov 18 00:26:48 so i should be in the $12/m group Nov 18 00:26:56 yeah, call them up Nov 18 00:27:05 im still waiting for the damn tivo to ship Nov 18 00:27:21 cancel, and reorder =) Nov 18 00:27:37 uhh Nov 18 00:27:44 im good with paying less a month :P Nov 18 00:27:56 "Sarah Palin says she could beat Obama in 2012 race" Nov 18 00:28:13 hahaha Nov 18 00:30:02 ;D Nov 18 00:30:04 not sure if there is really a "race" in 2012, it is more like, lets see who even votes, more americans vote for american idiol than for the presidential races Nov 18 00:30:32 which dave? me? Nov 18 00:31:17 hello dave! Nov 18 00:31:20 hello Nov 18 00:31:40 2 days for NYC you excited? Nov 18 00:32:15 yeah, I've been looking at the day 2 sessions, going to be fun Nov 18 00:33:01 could not make it this time again, 3rd time is the charm Nov 18 00:33:01 I _need_ the rockstar graphics thing, but I _want_ to go to the node thing, that's my only conflict at this point Nov 18 00:33:23 yeah they both would be killer Nov 18 00:33:37 node.js right? Nov 18 00:34:28 there might be some sort of audio, or video recording being conducted Nov 18 00:35:02 I'm more logic-inclined so it will most probably be the node one Nov 18 00:35:54 i will dream of Dev Days, but it should be awesome! Nov 18 00:36:19 and looks like bowling friday night...that ought to be funny Nov 18 00:36:40 o how i love bowling Nov 18 00:36:58 I like bowling alright Nov 18 00:37:03 I'm just bad at it Nov 18 00:37:24 gutter ball boy? Nov 18 00:37:32 i think my best score ever bowling is like a 90 or maybe 100 Nov 18 00:37:32 LoneStar99: you are wrong Nov 18 00:37:45 kesne: wrong with what? Nov 18 00:37:48 nah, not too often....I can break 100 one game, then in the 70s another Nov 18 00:37:55 dave yeah you Nov 18 00:38:03 i hope they make you stand up infront of everyone or something Nov 18 00:38:09 LoneStar99: Far far far more people vote in presidential elections than American Idol Nov 18 00:38:09 lol Nov 18 00:38:14 oh no, why on earth would you want that? :O Nov 18 00:38:15 cause you couldnt go, and ppl helped out Nov 18 00:38:19 ah Nov 18 00:38:31 actually, wouldn't be bad...I could give everybody a big thanks Nov 18 00:38:56 "Why webOS community is awesome" Nov 18 00:39:06 kesne: really, what are the numbers? like 70 million for american idol and like 100 million for president? Nov 18 00:39:08 wish i could have helped more Nov 18 00:39:22 LoneStar99: People can vote hundreds of times on AI Nov 18 00:39:49 maybe true but... Nov 18 00:39:55 kesne: not sure how it all works, but i know the numbers are high Nov 18 00:40:02 dawm: you were the first, so other people could feel better about contributing, too :D Nov 18 00:40:05 LoneStar99: The numbers are high Nov 18 00:40:15 sugardave: contributing to what? Nov 18 00:40:22 i bet more ppl know that last contestant to get canned off america idol than know how many senators there are Nov 18 00:40:23 but the election is probably, maybe 50 times AI Nov 18 00:40:39 BMyers: That is probably true Nov 18 00:40:48 LoneStar99: I set up a chipin thing and raised just over $700 to help finance my trip to NYC Nov 18 00:41:00 kesne: at one like i though i heard like 100 million folks voted for AI Nov 18 00:41:08 oh when was this? Nov 18 00:41:12 LoneStar99: Maybe 100 million votes Nov 18 00:41:24 but not people Nov 18 00:41:29 it was for 2 weeks leading up to Nov 7 Nov 18 00:41:50 but I got most of the donations in the first 48 hours or so Nov 18 00:41:53 it was cool Nov 18 00:41:59 sugardave: oh, damn, i did not know, would have pitched something in Nov 18 00:42:19 LoneStar99: it's all good, donate to webos-internals instead :D Nov 18 00:42:27 Is there a quicker way to clear the entire cmd line in dos other that hitting backspace? Nov 18 00:42:37 dohtem: ctrl-c Nov 18 00:42:44 thanks! Nov 18 00:42:47 np Nov 18 00:43:02 I knew I had to be doing that the hard way :) Nov 18 00:43:08 heh Nov 18 00:43:10 sugardave: webos-internals also needs help getting to NYC? Nov 18 00:43:25 LoneStar99: no, just in general donations for devices and whatnot Nov 18 00:43:31 kesne: all i know is all the dudes on AI are hot Nov 18 00:43:34 and because of the awesome shit they do all the time Nov 18 00:43:38 JK, I am not gay Nov 18 00:44:01 * halfhalo feels like playing with sinatra and has the perfect project in mind Nov 18 00:44:29 halfhalo: is that the mobile framework? Nov 18 00:44:43 nope, its a lightweight ruby server thinger Nov 18 00:45:10 * kesne googles Nov 18 00:45:29 Put this in Nov 18 00:45:29 your pipe Nov 18 00:45:29 and smoke it Nov 18 00:45:50 sugardave: how much was the flight from AUS to NYC? Nov 18 00:46:04 like $400? Nov 18 00:47:10 plus the pat-down.. Nov 18 00:47:19 yeah, slightly less maybe? I packaged it with a hotel on orbitz Nov 18 00:47:46 for some reason $370 sticks in my head Nov 18 00:48:13 lol BMyers Nov 18 00:48:47 awesome, i had found a flight from LAX to NYC roundtrip for $270, the only problem, i am still in MEX Nov 18 00:49:19 my flight costs would triple Nov 18 00:49:53 anyways, will have some tequila for you boys and girls, this weekend =) Nov 18 00:50:52 anyone messed with the camera api? Nov 18 00:51:04 does it include the video camera also? Nov 18 00:51:10 Never touched it Nov 18 00:51:19 But, I did finally get my data system working Nov 18 00:53:14 pubhubsubbub is annoying to say. Nov 18 00:54:05 want to have the video camera in the background capturing everything like a background
and then have "text" in an overlay is that possible? Nov 18 00:58:44 Can anyone tell me where the theme packages are downloaded? The Red Black theme really messed up my phone. Nov 18 01:00:17 sugardave: all you have to do if the TSA start giving you a hard time Nov 18 01:00:26 is say "DONT TOUCH MY JUNK" Nov 18 01:01:04 lol Nov 18 01:02:25 i'm just glad i dont have to get groped by the TSA to ride the train Nov 18 01:02:44 Bmyers, you will Nov 18 01:02:51 instead it'll just be any number of other weirdo's riding the train Nov 18 01:03:51 BMyers: you will be harrased by the FTRA Nov 18 01:03:53 lol Nov 18 01:05:32 if your traveling on mass transit in NYC , being groped is just part of the ride. has been that way for years.. Nov 18 01:05:58 alright mosquitos are starting to attack brb in 20 minutes, walking home Nov 18 01:06:23 BMyers: i would like to ride a train in the east coast Nov 18 01:06:28 brb in 20 Nov 18 01:09:04 as opposed to mass transit in mx Nov 18 01:12:13 It is very quiet in here tonight Nov 18 01:13:50 we're all holding our breath waiting for the pre2 Nov 18 01:14:23 wastrel, I don't think I would suffocate for just a spec bumped phone Nov 18 01:14:33 guys there might be hope for my pre Nov 18 01:14:35 well what would you suffocate for Nov 18 01:14:45 I do want a new phone though Nov 18 01:14:47 the SUPER DEVICE Nov 18 01:14:52 on sprint :( Nov 18 01:14:57 The SUPER DEVICE ON SPRINT Nov 18 01:14:57 please love us again sprint Nov 18 01:15:01 evo Nov 18 01:15:09 dON'T LIKE ANDROID Nov 18 01:15:12 oops on caps Nov 18 01:15:15 no no no I said super DEVICE Nov 18 01:15:27 thuper device? Nov 18 01:15:35 evo is a hunk of silicon and plastic, not a device Nov 18 01:15:42 android is an operating system, not a device Nov 18 01:16:50 Hey does anyone know where the theme packages are cached or untared? I installed a bad theme and it keeps coming back even after running WebOS Repair Utility. Nov 18 01:17:22 I found a .patch file in /patches but there are still scrums and icons lingering around somewhere. Nov 18 01:19:36 torchie, I know Android is an OS but I can't handle the OS. People really don't know what they are missing with WebOS. Nov 18 01:20:39 WebOS Repair Utility takes forever. Nov 18 01:20:43 damn shame about the smartphone wars Nov 18 01:21:12 i'd like to see an HTC webos phone Nov 18 01:21:14 choosing between ios and android is like choosing between confinement and torture Nov 18 01:21:59 yeah but the pablum puking public just keeps eating that crap, but then again Palm missed the marketing boat. Nov 18 01:22:38 Their lack of $$$ and limited HW doomed them. Nov 18 01:22:53 sprint Nov 18 01:23:00 nobody wanted to be on sprint Nov 18 01:23:13 palm has always been mostly about software innovation , not so much hardware Nov 18 01:23:17 That too even though I have been very happy with sprint Nov 18 01:23:32 My wife jumped ship to AT&T and they really suck. Nov 18 01:23:43 what's wrong with at&t Nov 18 01:23:48 the only carrier I've been on is sprint Nov 18 01:24:23 They would drop at least 50% of her calls. Nov 18 01:24:38 * phil_bw wanders by Nov 18 01:24:46 I would almost always have to call her twice or call her back. Data was pretty good but the voice sucked. Nov 18 01:27:34 but at least you can do them both at the same thyme! Nov 18 01:28:12 random poll: who has a QR code on their business card? Nov 18 01:29:20 might not be the right crowd since you cant read qr codes on a pre... Nov 18 01:30:39 I think it's a good idea, but probably won't be adopted for some time to come Nov 18 01:30:44 You can read them, just not... Very well. Nov 18 01:31:09 i don't have business cards Nov 18 01:31:13 S'why I wish there was a Microsoft Tag reader for webOS Nov 18 01:31:21 Since it's based more on color than a tiny dots Nov 18 01:31:39 you love microsoft Nov 18 01:32:26 tag. another micro$oft "innovation" Nov 18 01:33:08 micro$oft +46 Nov 18 01:33:11 well you know, microsoft did invent the internet, you know that little e on everyone's computer Nov 18 01:33:28 yeah. and the mouse.. Nov 18 01:33:58 blah Nov 18 01:34:16 so I've got a problem... if that's the right word for it Nov 18 01:34:42 No, I'm entirely serious Nov 18 01:34:44 the keyboard on my Pre has been acting up and mistyping letters and adding various extra spaces when I only want one Nov 18 01:35:14 so Sprint said if it was reproducable they'd replace it (despite the cracks, chips, dings, scratches, etc) Nov 18 01:35:32 so I did what any homebrewer would do before taking it to sprint and gave it a good doctoring... Nov 18 01:35:38 now I can't reproduce the damn problem Nov 18 01:35:56 g, what do you think it is? Nov 18 01:36:25 this thing is barely limping by Nov 18 01:36:50 I'm afraid of it finally giving up and being without WebOS hardware on Sprint Nov 18 01:37:26 This is the exact same data... QRcode: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/469264/QRCode.png and Microsoft Tag: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/469264/Tag.png Nov 18 01:37:47 Now tell me: Which would be easier to photograph well with a fixed focus camera? :p Nov 18 01:38:27 well to the QRCode's defense it is significantly smaller in your example Nov 18 01:38:41 Let me remake the example Tag Nov 18 01:39:06 seems easier to make a qr code Nov 18 01:39:15 open up mspaint, do some pixel artistry Nov 18 01:39:55 Or just go on a website and type it in and it does all the work for you :p Nov 18 01:40:05 If you're making QR codes by hand then really... What the hell D: Nov 18 01:44:58 was just curious to see if anyone used them (qr codes) Nov 18 01:45:22 not I Nov 18 01:45:57 I don't, and if I was going to use anything, it'd be Tag because good lord QR codes can be a bitch to capture without an auto focus camera Nov 18 01:46:51 * halfhalo is on plan b Nov 18 01:46:54 OIL! Nov 18 01:46:55 RUN Nov 18 01:47:02 * oil made it to seattle! Nov 18 01:47:05 xD Nov 18 01:47:10 lol Nov 18 01:47:17 anyone know how to use the accelerometer for shake events? Nov 18 01:47:18 when does your flight leave? Nov 18 01:47:34 tomorrow at 6am Nov 18 01:47:59 sooo... in 11 hours. What the hell are you going to do in seattle until then... Nov 18 01:48:20 eat, then sleep Nov 18 01:48:30 do some coding Nov 18 01:48:50 horrible plan Nov 18 01:49:35 is the weather as crap up there in Seattle as it is down here in Portland? Nov 18 01:49:57 its got a light rain' Nov 18 01:50:07 phil_bw: You're in portland Nov 18 01:50:09 ? Nov 18 01:50:12 though, what do you expect from seattle Nov 18 01:50:12 yeah Nov 18 01:50:21 prosac ? Nov 18 01:50:24 it's been windy as crap around here Nov 18 01:51:01 had a trash can take up residence at a nearby business... on it's own Nov 18 01:51:28 did a guy named oscar live in the trash can? Nov 18 01:51:42 nah, his can's a little heavier, wind doesn't do much to it Nov 18 01:52:06 Oh, whoa... Playing with the Tag creator, you can have codes change depending on when it gets scanned, and can completely change the content of the tag without breaking ones that you've already created. That's nuts Nov 18 01:53:00 well I better go make some dinner Nov 18 01:53:11 * phil_bw wanders off Nov 18 01:53:15 So yeah, it's better than QR codes P: Nov 18 01:53:37 google doesnt think they are.. Nov 18 01:54:08 i never saw a google tshirt with a Tag on it Nov 18 01:54:22 of course they don't, Google basically single handedly brought QR codes into the mainstream :p Nov 18 01:54:40 what does that tell you? Nov 18 01:54:40 http://i52.tinypic.com/25anqd4.jpg Nov 18 01:54:44 was the drive :) Nov 18 01:55:00 OMG batman!! snow! Nov 18 01:55:16 only for like 10-15 mins at the top of the mountain Nov 18 01:55:34 oil: where is that? Nov 18 01:55:48 looks very cold Nov 18 01:55:55 it was Nov 18 01:56:09 BMyers: that Google wanted to coopt something that already existed in the public space ;P Nov 18 01:56:32 LoneStar99, washingtoln state Nov 18 01:56:36 between my town and seattle Nov 18 01:56:45 oil: wow, that is nuts Nov 18 01:56:52 tells me m$ wanted to patent something that already was a standard.. Nov 18 01:57:04 as per usual Nov 18 01:57:05 oil: went running on the beach today =) Nov 18 01:57:19 lol, thats not natural Nov 18 01:57:45 why run on the beach? take your time there.. run in a snow storm seems more reasonable Nov 18 01:57:58 haha Nov 18 01:58:09 ran the entire beach, problem to walk back took like 1hr+ =( Nov 18 01:58:38 technically... QR codes are patented too Nov 18 01:59:59 but really, like I said... Tag beats QR codes hands down when it comes to using fixed focus cameras P: Nov 18 02:01:17 rock beats scissors but who cares ? Nov 18 02:01:57 oh, rwhitbys talk is right after lunch, sleepy time Nov 18 02:02:32 :[ Nov 18 02:03:38 WIN! Nov 18 02:03:44 ITS WORKING! Nov 18 02:04:13 SineOt: do you have a "smart phone" ? Nov 18 02:04:21 yes Nov 18 02:04:26 I've got a Pixi Nov 18 02:04:39 is that your smartest phone ? Nov 18 02:04:59 hase anyone received the free dev phone from the promotion a few weeks back? Nov 18 02:05:05 I'll be getting a dev Pre+ and there's a few android phones in the house Nov 18 02:05:07 * oil used to slam on the pixi Nov 18 02:05:16 but now that i've actually handled one, its not half bad Nov 18 02:05:56 no m$ phone SineOt ? Nov 18 02:06:11 er, no? Nov 18 02:06:29 or are you thinking me saying Tag > QR codes is somehow sucking Microsoft's dick Nov 18 02:06:49 no Nov 18 02:07:09 maybe just a groped in a bathroom stall.. Nov 18 02:07:28 :) Nov 18 02:11:16 can I call you retarded, BMyers? :p Nov 18 02:11:20 because I -really- want to Nov 18 02:11:32 in my opt/nova/bin there seems to be no "cpuboot" Nov 18 02:12:10 feel free. i've been called worse Nov 18 02:12:58 do i start novaterm? Nov 18 02:14:51 aaaand Nov 18 02:14:54 not sure what's happening Nov 18 02:15:00 * oil considers ordering room service Nov 18 02:16:44 oh lawd! Nov 18 02:17:00 the tv in here is so fuzzy, lol Nov 18 02:17:50 does anyone know why this SQL statement would fail, when passed the following parameters? Nov 18 02:17:52 "CREATE TABLE IF NOT EXISTS '?' (date INTEGER, weight REAL) Nov 18 02:18:10 when it's passed: Nov 18 02:18:10 [(this.selectedYear + "," + this.selectedMonth)] Nov 18 02:18:13 ? :) Nov 18 02:19:04 so it becomes CREATE TABLE IF NOT EXISTS '2010,11' (date INTEGER, weight REAL) Nov 18 02:20:36 oil: THATS WHAT HULU IS FOR!!! Nov 18 02:20:51 * halfhalo points and laughs at oil Nov 18 02:21:13 oil: yeah Nov 18 02:21:23 im not watching it Nov 18 02:21:23 oil: is there a problem with it? :) Nov 18 02:21:32 i just turned it on and flipped the channel a few times Nov 18 02:21:38 its all static-ey Nov 18 02:21:53 oil: how could I change it? sorry I'm new to this SQL and db stuff Nov 18 02:22:32 mbarvian, ive only played with sqlite a little bit Nov 18 02:22:46 idk if you can have a , in your table name Nov 18 02:22:52 seems to me like that would fail Nov 18 02:22:58 perhaps a - or a _? Nov 18 02:23:23 and why is your table like that anyways Nov 18 02:23:27 * halfhalo laughs at the irony of what his program just did Nov 18 02:23:27 a new table per month? Nov 18 02:23:42 oil: right Nov 18 02:23:49 why not a single table holding date, weight Nov 18 02:23:51 ? Nov 18 02:24:05 oil: couldn't think of how to do that Nov 18 02:24:21 oil: I need to be able to select all the days from one month, so I tried this Nov 18 02:24:21 exactly like you have it Nov 18 02:24:25 but instead of INTEGER Nov 18 02:24:26 DATE? Nov 18 02:24:30 DATETIME? idk what its called Nov 18 02:24:43 so you select where date >= start and <= end Nov 18 02:24:50 * halfhalo goes to del taco for foods Nov 18 02:24:58 idk how much sqlite is like mysql, but you could do a lot xD Nov 18 02:25:19 or maybe even do year INTEGER, month INTEGER, year INTEGER Nov 18 02:25:21 oil: ok. thanks! do you know what is wrong with the original one before I go? It says there's a problem near ? Nov 18 02:25:25 and i mean, day Nov 18 02:25:27 oil: that sounds good Nov 18 02:25:40 my guess would be the , Nov 18 02:25:44 but that could be entirely wrong Nov 18 02:25:47 no clue :/ Nov 18 02:25:50 oil: ah, I see Nov 18 02:25:55 I'll try real quick to remove that Nov 18 02:26:16 does it need ; at the end of the query (inside the ""s) Nov 18 02:26:26 * oil doesnt know Nov 18 02:26:37 alright fuck it Nov 18 02:26:39 oil: now it returns Could not create table: number of '?'s in statement string does not match argument count Nov 18 02:26:44 someone else here has to have used html5db before Nov 18 02:26:52 mbarvian: do you really need a table for each month? Nov 18 02:26:54 I'll just use the instinct for the next 3 million years Nov 18 02:27:05 BMyers: lol I guess not Nov 18 02:27:21 BMyers: but how else would you get all the dates and their weights from one month? Nov 18 02:27:27 also, not sure about a comma in the table name Nov 18 02:27:29 without a for loop or something similar Nov 18 02:27:35 use the select statement Nov 18 02:27:44 in the where Nov 18 02:27:51 where date > x < y Nov 18 02:27:53 query language is powerful Nov 18 02:28:15 idk if sqlite supports things like AVG(), etc, but they would be useful Nov 18 02:28:22 it does Nov 18 02:28:29 look at that Nov 18 02:28:41 oh, ii think it does... i was think mysql there for avg() Nov 18 02:28:42 alright so I'll make one table, call it 'weights', then instead of what I have just put year, month, date, day, etc for an entry? Nov 18 02:29:06 its called normalizing your data. Nov 18 02:29:29 just use a timestap Nov 18 02:29:31 m^ Nov 18 02:29:46 then he has to do timestamp converting Nov 18 02:29:55 for your first go at sql, you may want to split them up Nov 18 02:29:59 idk Nov 18 02:30:02 true, but, comparing is much easier in sql Nov 18 02:30:21 so does one table with just one row for each entry sound good? Nov 18 02:30:51 javascript is pretty good at converting timestamps anyway Nov 18 02:31:03 mbarvian: not sure what you're doing so hard to say Nov 18 02:31:38 haha, there is a sign, for $150 i can convert my non-smoking room into a smoking room, haha Nov 18 02:31:41 BMyers: I'm trying to store a weight (integer) along with a date (including month, year, and day) into a database Nov 18 02:31:51 and then access just one month Nov 18 02:32:02 and pull all of them out from that month so I can graph them :) Nov 18 02:32:22 yeah, thats easy Nov 18 02:32:48 oil: ideas? :) Nov 18 02:34:17 i mean, i dont know the code required to do it off the top of my head Nov 18 02:34:24 but, thats the kind of stuff you do with a database :) Nov 18 02:35:15 oil: alright sounds good Nov 18 02:35:34 you could make date a timestamp an a default and pass it null and have it done for you Nov 18 02:35:56 or get the timestamp from JS Nov 18 02:36:16 that'll give you some number of seconds since epoc Nov 18 02:36:33 those are just big numbers and easy to compare in an sql statement Nov 18 02:38:16 BMyers: alright I'll look into it lol. That just went way over my head Nov 18 02:38:47 check out the Date() function in javascript Nov 18 02:39:01 BMyers: I'm familiar with it Nov 18 02:39:16 you can tell it to give you the time now, or formulate one from your parameters Nov 18 02:39:21 BMyers: could I just do an entry with rows for year, month, day, and weight? Nov 18 02:40:05 * oil is sorry Nov 18 02:40:37 you could but you could run into problem at year end Nov 18 02:40:48 or perhaps 30 day ago Nov 18 02:41:01 dunno about your particular app or how you want to present it Nov 18 02:41:18 weight tracking app Nov 18 02:41:32 right but how he wants to present it Nov 18 02:41:41 heh... Nov 18 02:41:50 * halfhalo is driving a tad to fast Nov 18 02:42:02 also, i think he means cols for year, month day, etc Nov 18 02:42:12 * halfhalo also turned off tractiom ontrol Nov 18 02:42:56 this will end in one of two ways Nov 18 02:43:05 not only driving too fast without tractiom ontrol, but ircing Nov 18 02:43:09 awesomely, or very very badly Nov 18 02:43:29 im in line at del taco Nov 18 02:43:37 its a valid excuse Nov 18 02:43:38 what are you graphing with mbarvian ? Nov 18 02:43:46 BMyers: trig functions Nov 18 02:44:17 BMyers: lol sorry if this is frustrating Nov 18 02:44:23 how are you going to draw the graph? Nov 18 02:44:36 how else, canvas :) Nov 18 02:44:38 BMyers: I draw the graph using some trig functions and the like Nov 18 02:44:42 oil: don't know canvas :( Nov 18 02:44:53 oil: have to look into it. apparently it's pretty cool Nov 18 02:45:03 there are canned JS libs that graph your data to canvas Nov 18 02:45:03 woo rwd! Nov 18 02:45:14 many accept timestamps Nov 18 02:45:14 BMyers: what is the advantage to using canvas? Nov 18 02:45:23 it's a pretty picture Nov 18 02:45:27 * oil wrote his own graphing junk Nov 18 02:45:30 its not very good Nov 18 02:45:35 i concur Nov 18 02:45:37 i used a JS library Nov 18 02:45:48 right now I just append a new with a generated bottom and left that much up with the axises Nov 18 02:45:50 dont like reinventing the wheel Nov 18 02:46:14 BMyers: I did it because I wanted to be in full control of how it looked Nov 18 02:46:17 http://www.webos-internals.org/images/9/96/Lumberjack_ss4.png Nov 18 02:47:31 maybe a screenshot would help: Nov 18 02:47:36 it's the left image on this page: Nov 18 02:47:36 http://weighttrackerapp.com/ Nov 18 02:47:46 stupid car in front of me needs t move Nov 18 02:49:19 i used this http://www.deensoft.com/lab/protochart to graph stuff Nov 18 02:50:04 BMyers: I only did this cause I wanted it to be very scalable and also have it look and operate how I wanted to Nov 18 02:50:24 there is no one way to do anything Nov 18 02:50:36 BMyers: it works well, I just pass the weights in an array and go through them with a for loop Nov 18 02:51:16 * oil didnt even know about protochart Nov 18 02:52:04 its based on this http://code.google.com/p/flotr/ Nov 18 02:52:22 I looked at a few, like flotr, but I didn't like how they looked Nov 18 02:52:28 Now that there are more people here. Where are the untared themes kept. I have a rogue theme that I just can't get rid of. Nov 18 02:52:57 woo Nov 18 02:53:15 villo will finally be announced soon-ish Nov 18 02:53:28 Icons and other elements keep coming back after I install other themes Nov 18 02:53:48 I have to keep running EPR and the repair utility to get rid of Red Black. Nov 18 02:54:24 mbarvian: you're a better man than I. I'm WAY to lazy to write my own graphing stuff.. Nov 18 02:54:38 BMyers: lol Nov 18 02:54:43 how are you storing data now? Nov 18 02:54:51 BMyers: a crappy depot Nov 18 02:55:05 BMyers: it's quite ugly. I'd rather not mention :P Nov 18 02:56:09 dont worry about it. nobody sees that. Nov 18 02:56:19 they do see your nice graphs tho Nov 18 02:57:09 BMyers: thanks Nov 18 02:57:41 BMyers: although the real reason for switching was because I was tired of doing for loops everywhere when I just wanted a date Nov 18 02:57:47 like I said, it was quite ugly **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Nov 18 02:59:58 2010