**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Nov 18 02:59:58 2010
Nov 18 03:01:16 <BMyers> i dont doubt that
Nov 18 03:02:15 <mbarvian> BMyers: anyways, I gotta go.  I'll pick this up tomorrow.  Right now I've got the basic stuff working, I just need to know how to select the weights from one row and parse them.  But that's a task for tomorrow
Nov 18 03:02:19 <mbarvian> thanks for the help!
Nov 18 03:07:57 <aaront> anyone know of tax procedures for Canadians? I'm looking to upgrade my account to a developer account
Nov 18 03:08:23 <aaront> I saw a couple of threads on the forums that mentioned I don't need a ITIN
Nov 18 03:08:43 <aaront> but doesn't the IRS hold back 30% of my earnings if I don't get an ITIN?
Nov 18 03:11:13 <sugardave> it's your array
Nov 18 03:11:19 <JenP> hi all!
Nov 18 03:11:31 <sugardave> oops, wrong window
Nov 18 03:11:33 <sugardave> hi JenP
Nov 18 03:11:41 <JenP> hi sugardave!
Nov 18 03:11:42 <BMyers> lol
Nov 18 03:11:50 <JenP> hi BMyers
Nov 18 03:12:02 <BMyers> TQOS!!
Nov 18 03:12:14 <JenP> how are you guys doing?
Nov 18 03:12:34 <sugardave> pretty good, about to eat dinner and watch Harry Potter 4
Nov 18 03:12:56 <JenP> what's for dinner?
Nov 18 03:13:07 <sugardave> oh man, fancy stuff
Nov 18 03:13:13 <sugardave> frozen pizza and a salad
Nov 18 03:13:21 <sugardave> a SALAD
Nov 18 03:13:26 <JenP> lol
Nov 18 03:13:37 <BMyers> you live on the edge sugardave
Nov 18 03:14:01 <sugardave> I just do what I do
Nov 18 03:14:13 * halfhalo had del taco's
Nov 18 03:18:01 <LoneStar99> frozen pizza rocks =)
Nov 18 03:24:06 * Tibfib had pancakes
Nov 18 03:34:11 <jamesderektate> hey guys
Nov 18 03:37:33 <oil> aw he left
Nov 18 03:38:56 <oil> i just noticed my hotel room was freezing
Nov 18 03:39:39 <BMyers> oil where r u flying in from?
Nov 18 03:39:47 <oil> seattle
Nov 18 03:39:59 <BMyers> b4 that
Nov 18 03:40:59 <oil> yakima
Nov 18 03:43:36 <halfhalo> liar
Nov 18 03:47:14 <LoneStar99> liar liar pants on fire
Nov 18 04:02:08 <Mark_M>  oil, Do you know if theme ipks are cached?
Nov 18 04:02:16 <Mark_M> ipkgs that is
Nov 18 04:05:30 <oil> im pretty sure all ipks are deleted after the install is done
Nov 18 04:06:29 <Mark_M> oil, that's what I thought. So the ipkg is untared in /tmp right?
Nov 18 04:06:55 <SineOt> Mark_M: is there any reason why you can't use Save/Restore and simply doctor your device?
Nov 18 04:07:28 <oil> Mark_M: i don't really know
Nov 18 04:07:46 <Mark_M> I installed the Red Black theme and is has some icons hanging around so when I install other themes the icons from the Red Black theme are overwritten
Nov 18 04:07:50 <Mark_M> It's wierd
Nov 18 04:08:06 <Mark_M> I did an EPR and Repair Utility
Nov 18 04:08:41 <Mark_M> The default theme is back and I restored the icons.  I even deleted all files in /patches.
Nov 18 04:09:14 <Mark_M> I'm just afraid that when I install a new theme the old one is going to come back even though it was uninstalled and all files replaced.
Nov 18 04:09:33 <oil> lol
Nov 18 04:09:58 <oil> might as well just try it out
Nov 18 04:10:06 <oil> if you restored everything
Nov 18 04:10:07 <Mark_M> Themes are a pain in the a**
Nov 18 04:10:16 <oil> yeah, i dont use them
Nov 18 04:10:24 <SineOt> yeah, I've avoided them so far
Nov 18 04:10:32 <Mark_M> I use SE Mirror but I got adventureous
Nov 18 04:10:39 <SineOt> (ignoring the fact that most of them are really, really bad looking)
Nov 18 04:10:43 <Mark_M> that's what got me into trouble
Nov 18 04:10:53 <Mark_M> I should have stuck with SE Mirror
Nov 18 04:13:13 <Mark_M> time to reapply the patches
Nov 18 04:13:50 <Mark_M> I used find to track down the theme directories but no luck
Nov 18 05:06:33 * phil_bw wanders back by
Nov 18 06:42:54 <LoneStar99> anyone still up?
Nov 18 06:49:42 <dohtem`> im up
Nov 18 07:05:08 <dkirker> LoneStar99: yup :D
Nov 18 07:05:29 <LoneStar99> howdy welcome to the awake world
Nov 18 07:05:46 <dkirker> lol
Nov 18 07:05:52 <dkirker> I will be up all night...
Nov 18 07:12:16 <LoneStar99> dkirker: what u working on? or you on  watch?
Nov 18 07:12:17 <LoneStar99> lol
Nov 18 07:12:48 <dkirker> LoneStar99: On watch :P
Nov 18 07:12:53 <dkirker> naw, I wish
Nov 18 07:13:04 <dkirker> I'm working on two programming assignments for classes
Nov 18 07:14:50 <nyceane> hey guys
Nov 18 07:15:01 <nyceane> LoneStar99, did you ever get the developer device?
Nov 18 07:27:27 <LoneStar99> nyceane: not sure i am in mexico, but i got 2 emails from hp, so I assume it is in texas
Nov 18 07:36:05 <nyceane> hmm
Nov 18 07:36:14 <nyceane> did you get your laptop yet?
Nov 18 07:36:22 <nyceane> did anybody get their laptop yet? -_-
Nov 18 07:58:12 <LoneStar99> i showed them boys a piece of history so no they are frecking out
Nov 18 07:59:36 <LoneStar99> the founder of freebsd, defected to apple in 2001
Nov 18 08:05:52 <LoneStar99> a revolt has started
Nov 18 08:07:48 <dohtem> looks like digloo got removed from the catalog :(
Nov 18 08:14:07 <LoneStar99> dothtem: why?
Nov 18 08:14:40 <dohtem> dunno.  I just tried searching for it.  Looks like the developer may have pulled it himself
Nov 18 08:24:23 <swisstomcat> morning
Nov 18 08:24:50 <LoneStar99> morning swisstomcat
Nov 18 08:25:17 <swisstomcat> Look what i just submitted to the web-feed for the @palm developer day: http://yfrog.com/1791kp
Nov 18 08:26:47 <LoneStar99> swisstomcat:  that is awesome
Nov 18 08:32:33 <LoneStar99> swisstomcat: may hands look like old peoples hands
Nov 18 08:36:58 <dohtem> whats the latest fw version for the AT&T pre+?
Nov 18 09:00:04 <swisstomcat> 1.4.5 i think
Nov 18 10:00:18 <swisstomcat> http://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=com.inorbit.palmdevdaynyc2010.web
Nov 18 11:48:36 <LoneStar99> messages
Nov 18 11:50:05 <LoneStar99> swisstomcat:  do you have a paypal account?
Nov 18 12:23:45 * oil_pre has an hour to kill in the airport
Nov 18 12:40:43 <mbarvian> can anyone help me with a little sql?
Nov 18 12:41:58 <oil_pre> :/
Nov 18 12:42:04 <mbarvian> oil: lol
Nov 18 12:42:13 <mbarvian> oil: are you on your pre?
Nov 18 12:42:30 <oil_pre> no... xD
Nov 18 12:42:35 <mbarvian> oil: oh
Nov 18 12:42:49 <oil_pre> lol, just kidding
Nov 18 12:43:01 <mbarvian> oil: what irc client are you using?
Nov 18 12:43:10 <oil_pre> I'm waiting for my plane
Nov 18 12:43:20 <oil_pre> wIRC, what else?
Nov 18 12:43:28 <mbarvian> oil: i didn't know there was one
Nov 18 12:44:03 <oil_pre> yeah, I wrote it :)
Nov 18 12:44:12 <oil_pre> it's in preware
Nov 18 12:44:19 <mbarvian> oil: ah
Nov 18 12:44:35 <mbarvian> oil: on the homebrewing note.  Are you overclocked?
Nov 18 12:45:15 <oil_pre> I am right now cause I'm using it alot,but not normally
Nov 18 12:45:48 <mbarvian> oil: how's the battery life? worse or same?
Nov 18 12:46:10 <oil_pre> eh, sometimes even better
Nov 18 12:46:20 <mbarvian> oil: but most of the time? :)
Nov 18 12:46:39 <oil_pre> like I said, I don't usually oc
Nov 18 12:46:50 <mbarvian> oil: ah
Nov 18 12:49:06 * oil_pre just realized he forgot his sobe in the hotel room
Nov 18 12:49:44 <jamesderektate> hey guys
Nov 18 12:49:59 <oil_pre> hi
Nov 18 12:49:59 <jamesderektate> gonna be a nice and sunny day in manhattan tomorrow
Nov 18 12:50:07 <jamesderektate> im waiting on my admob payment
Nov 18 12:50:09 <oil_pre> nice
Nov 18 12:50:14 <jamesderektate> loooks like paypal was paid... not ach yet
Nov 18 12:50:56 <MBarvian_Pre> test
Nov 18 12:51:05 <MBarvian_Pre> works
Nov 18 12:51:06 <oil_pre> lol
Nov 18 12:51:30 <MBarvian_Pre> oil: is the run on startup let me join rooms on startup?
Nov 18 12:51:55 <oil_pre> yeah,if you put like /j #chanel in there
Nov 18 12:52:10 <oil_pre> it will run that command on start
Nov 18 12:52:10 <oil_pre> er
Nov 18 12:52:15 <oil_pre> connection
Nov 18 12:52:36 <MBarvian_Pre> what does auto open favorites do?
Nov 18 12:53:01 <MBarvian_Pre> connect to the favorite rooms automatically?
Nov 18 12:53:17 <oil_pre> yeah,haha
Nov 18 12:54:31 <LoneStar99> where can i call, need a us number
Nov 18 12:55:09 <oil_pre> I would let you call me, but that would disconnect me from irc :)
Nov 18 12:55:39 <mbarvian> i got it
Nov 18 12:55:43 <LoneStar99> trying 2 call numbers via skype to europe but blocked
Nov 18 12:56:26 <oil_pre> ah
Nov 18 12:57:31 <LoneStar99> i figured it out
Nov 18 12:59:47 <oil_pre> lol
Nov 18 13:00:06 <LoneStar99> you have to drop a 0
Nov 18 13:00:32 <oil_pre> ah
Nov 18 13:01:32 <LoneStar99> like +41 (0)78 697 79 88 so it would be like 011 41 78 6977988
Nov 18 13:01:49 <LoneStar99> oil_pre: what time is it in your parts
Nov 18 13:02:06 <oil_pre> 4:55 am
Nov 18 13:02:14 <LoneStar99> nice
Nov 18 13:02:19 <LoneStar99> 655 here
Nov 18 13:02:38 <LoneStar99> brb
Nov 18 13:03:36 <oil_pre> they had all the xray machines closed this morning
Nov 18 13:05:44 <LoneStar99> lol, why is that
Nov 18 13:06:09 <oil_pre> idk
Nov 18 13:08:37 <oil_pre> oh, pilot is here
Nov 18 13:08:47 <LoneStar99> all i know is that a bottle of tequila that i bought was hid
Nov 18 13:09:29 <LoneStar99> anyways that is fine, but I will retract donations =)
Nov 18 13:10:22 <oil_pre> lol
Nov 18 13:13:15 <LoneStar99> yeah fuck it feel better all ready
Nov 18 13:13:34 <LoneStar99> retracted
Nov 18 13:13:50 <jamesderektate> cant wait to get paid by palm for my apps
Nov 18 13:13:54 <jamesderektate> i think the wait time is so much BS
Nov 18 13:14:12 <jamesderektate> i wish we didnt have to wait so long
Nov 18 13:15:50 <LoneStar99> jamesderektate:  yeah for sure
Nov 18 13:16:14 <jamesderektate> Apple does everything correctly
Nov 18 13:16:22 <jamesderektate> they display the date you get paid and pay via ach
Nov 18 13:17:33 <LoneStar99> i can't really complain with palm, other than my apps are kinda slow sellers
Nov 18 13:17:46 <LoneStar99> but that is me
Nov 18 13:17:52 <jamesderektate> ive made some good chunk of change
Nov 18 13:17:59 <LoneStar99> have not built a killer app
Nov 18 13:18:04 <jamesderektate> but i havent made anything super exciting
Nov 18 13:18:14 <jamesderektate> locators ands tuff
Nov 18 13:18:18 <jamesderektate> there was a lot of low hanging fruit
Nov 18 13:19:28 <LoneStar99> need to put more time, lately been kinda tough
Nov 18 13:19:30 <oil_pre> lol
Nov 18 13:19:53 * oil_pre gives away his apps
Nov 18 13:20:28 <jamesderektate> well
Nov 18 13:20:36 <jamesderektate> kinda tough when you cant really buy a palm device from vz or sprint!
Nov 18 13:20:42 <jamesderektate> im not making any more right now..
Nov 18 13:21:12 <LoneStar99> yeah kinda crazy
Nov 18 13:21:56 <LoneStar99> kinda weirded out how the french got the pre 2
Nov 18 13:22:23 * oil_pre bbl, time to board
Nov 18 13:25:02 <jamesderektate> yea
Nov 18 13:25:10 <jamesderektate> i remember when we (the US) got everything first
Nov 18 13:25:26 <LoneStar99> lol
Nov 18 13:25:52 <LoneStar99> brb in 5
Nov 18 13:32:26 <LoneStar99> i get bored very fast, need to go to a pimp hotel about now
Nov 18 13:33:17 <LoneStar99> i guess i will
Nov 18 13:34:19 <LoneStar99> laters webos dudes need pack my bag
Nov 18 13:49:01 <wastrel> webos
Nov 18 14:45:38 <oil_pre> in-flight wifi ftw
Nov 18 14:54:36 <hotdp_pre> good morning
Nov 18 14:55:16 <hotdp_pre> any one from Palm here?
Nov 18 15:03:01 <dawm> wait wut?
Nov 18 15:03:05 <dawm> pre2 available in us?
Nov 18 15:03:23 <dawm> oh nm
Nov 18 15:06:21 <sugardave> flying oil
Nov 18 15:06:24 <sugardave> watch out!
Nov 18 15:06:39 <oil_pre> haha
Nov 18 15:07:19 <sugardave> did you get to experience some hot TSA frottage this morning?
Nov 18 15:08:23 <dawm> lol
Nov 18 15:08:39 <oil_pre> nope
Nov 18 15:08:43 <oil_pre> was shut down
Nov 18 15:09:11 <oil_pre> unfortunately, my wifi is about to turn off, says the pilot
Nov 18 15:09:45 <oil_pre> brb
Nov 18 15:11:29 <hotdp_pre> flying? are you otw oil?
Nov 18 15:11:50 <hotdp_pre> what about you sugardave?
Nov 18 15:12:17 <hotdp_pre> there he goes
Nov 18 15:12:28 <sugardave> I fly tomorrow
Nov 18 15:14:04 <hotdp_pre> ohh i remember wrong then. sorry.
Nov 18 15:16:03 <hotdp_pre> sugardave do you know who to talk to if i want to buy a pre 2 and have it sent to the hotel while i am in NYC?
Nov 18 15:16:25 <Workenhaven> the hotel
Nov 18 15:16:48 <Workenhaven> call them up and be like "i've got a room booked on X day, if i order something and have it shipped to you will you hold it for me?"
Nov 18 15:16:52 <sugardave> hotdp_pre: no...they still aren't here as far as I know
Nov 18 15:16:59 <sugardave> but yeah, the hotel will receive packages for you
Nov 18 15:17:10 <summatusmentis> do we know if the Pre2 is comms board compatible yet?
Nov 18 15:17:18 <sugardave> no clue
Nov 18 15:17:27 <hotdp_pre> but i have to be sure its delivered while i am here ?
Nov 18 15:17:36 <sugardave> hotdp_pre: yeah, that's the problem
Nov 18 15:17:49 <sugardave> not physically present, but still staying at the hotel
Nov 18 15:17:50 <hotdp_pre> it would be easy if they have it with them on dev day..
Nov 18 15:18:27 <sugardave> they will....just not many :)
Nov 18 15:18:51 <hotdp_pre> and it should be the eu version also.. feel really bad leaving usa without a pre 2. it was my mission!
Nov 18 15:20:42 * sugardave downloads the dev day schedule app.
Nov 18 15:21:14 <hotdp_pre> sugardave if you see a palm person in here. can you ask them for me?
Nov 18 15:21:28 <sugardave> ask them what?
Nov 18 15:21:55 * gkatsev wants to go to dev day :(
Nov 18 15:22:19 <hotdp_pre> if there a chance i can buy a pre 2 and have it while i am in NYC
Nov 18 15:22:24 <sugardave> gkatsev!  I thought you abandoned webOS :D
Nov 18 15:22:30 <BMyers> yeah really
Nov 18 15:22:43 <sugardave> hotdp_pre: I will ask, but I'm afraid I already know the answer to that
Nov 18 15:22:56 <hotdp_pre> what is it?
Nov 18 15:22:59 <sugardave> no
Nov 18 15:23:10 <gkatsev> sugardave: no, I love webos. I am currently using an Evo but I miss the cards and notifs.
Nov 18 15:23:49 <sugardave> gkatsev: I still have my 1st-gen Pre...Sprint pisses me off
Nov 18 15:24:02 <gkatsev> I do still have that around.
Nov 18 15:24:28 <sugardave> but now I have a dev Plus, too
Nov 18 15:24:28 <gkatsev> the reason I switched to the evo was because my mp3 player broke and webos still did not have an audio app that allowed for sped up audio.
Nov 18 15:25:10 <sugardave> gkatsev: you meant something where you can take an existing track and make it sound like the chipmunks?
Nov 18 15:25:18 <gkatsev> sugardave: yes :)
Nov 18 15:25:26 <sugardave> still don't think we have that :D
Nov 18 15:25:31 <gkatsev> I listen to a lot of audiobooks and podcasts
Nov 18 15:25:35 <sugardave> ah
Nov 18 15:25:38 <sugardave> gotcha
Nov 18 15:25:56 <gkatsev> sugardave: nope, I don't think it exists yet, but also, I dont think the original pre will be able to handle it well.
Nov 18 15:26:27 <gkatsev> sugardave: though, actually, android does have pitch shifting, though, the app I am using has problems with that.
Nov 18 15:27:03 <gkatsev> though, android's notifications are still better than iphone's
Nov 18 15:27:20 <sugardave> I still haven't messed with either iOS or android
Nov 18 15:27:35 <sugardave> I'm dancing with the one what brung me
Nov 18 15:27:42 <wastrel> i've had an android since day 1
Nov 18 15:27:56 <wastrel> would probably have gotten a pre but android released sooner
Nov 18 15:28:09 <sugardave> ?
Nov 18 15:28:17 <sugardave> what was the first android phone?
Nov 18 15:28:21 <gkatsev> G1
Nov 18 15:28:25 <wastrel> g1, oct 2008
Nov 18 15:28:28 <gkatsev> it sucks
Nov 18 15:28:31 <gkatsev> :P
Nov 18 15:28:32 <sugardave> I see
Nov 18 15:28:34 <wastrel> yup
Nov 18 15:29:30 * haeffb sitting in MCI waiting for flight
Nov 18 15:29:36 * sugardave hides the good stuff.
Nov 18 15:30:00 <sugardave> haeffb: pm me your phone # so I can track you guys down tomorrow afternoon
Nov 18 15:30:22 <haeffb> OK
Nov 18 15:30:40 <gkatsev> /msg sugardave 555-1234
Nov 18 15:30:53 <gkatsev> oops :P
Nov 18 15:31:03 <sugardave> this # sounds familiar
Nov 18 15:31:06 <sugardave> 867 5309
Nov 18 15:32:21 <haeffb> dude sitting next to me is rockin a Palm Pre
Nov 18 15:32:57 <halfhalo> that bastard!
Nov 18 15:33:18 <sugardave> heh, is he going to dev day, too?
Nov 18 15:33:19 <haeffb> says he loves it
Nov 18 15:33:22 <haeffb> nope
Nov 18 15:33:36 * haeffb trying to sell some software...!
Nov 18 15:33:38 <sugardave> a regular user!  my, that is rare
Nov 18 15:34:14 <gkatsev> I know of a few regular users, of pre pluses
Nov 18 15:34:31 <sugardave> damn, my contacts won't let me save anything
Nov 18 15:34:40 <sugardave> this happened once before and I don't remember what I did to fix it
Nov 18 15:35:17 <haeffb> need a default account
Nov 18 15:35:36 <sugardave> I do
Nov 18 15:35:43 <sugardave> oh it has lost my password, I guess
Nov 18 15:36:11 <sugardave> interesting
Nov 18 15:37:19 <gkatsev> oh, sorry, that was me.
Nov 18 15:37:45 <wastrel> i saw a pre on the subway the other day
Nov 18 15:37:54 <wastrel> they're not common around here tho
Nov 18 15:38:10 <sugardave> I haven't seen/heard one in a long time
Nov 18 15:38:35 <haeffb> sales demo went well...
Nov 18 15:38:40 <sugardave> sweet
Nov 18 15:40:24 <haeffb> too bad I don't have business cards. :(
Nov 18 15:40:57 <sugardave> haeffb: yeah, I thought about that as soon as I got the email
Nov 18 15:41:01 <sugardave> I have none, as well
Nov 18 15:42:11 <gkatsev> do you have access to a printer? make a calling card instead: http://artofmanliness.com/2008/09/07/the-gentlemans-guide-to-the-calling-card/
Nov 18 15:42:12 <sugardave> maybe that means I should go to the marketing your apps session instead of the performance optimization one
Nov 18 15:44:31 <BMyers> ppl still look at business cards?
Nov 18 15:45:06 <wastrel> i still get one from every vendor
Nov 18 15:45:09 <BMyers> at least back in the treo days your could IR your vcard to someone
Nov 18 15:45:33 <gkatsev> you can make a QR code
Nov 18 15:45:35 <wastrel> actually more than one on average
Nov 18 15:45:52 <wastrel> one from each person from the vendor in the meeting.
Nov 18 15:45:53 <BMyers> gkatsev:  dont re-start the qrcode / m$ tag holy war again
Nov 18 15:46:01 <BMyers> i took a beating last night over that
Nov 18 15:46:11 <gkatsev> BMyers: what was it about?
Nov 18 15:46:43 <BMyers> i asked if anyone had one on their bizcard and someone here told me i was retarded for not using m$ tag
Nov 18 15:47:13 <gkatsev> what is ms tag even?
Nov 18 15:47:39 <gkatsev> literally the first time i've heard of it
Nov 18 15:47:59 <BMyers> another m$ "oh yeah we invented that" / "we just copied something already out there and changed it enough so we could patent it" product
Nov 18 15:48:28 <gkatsev> lol
Nov 18 15:49:12 <BMyers> cant do qr codes on a pre/pixi anyway
Nov 18 15:49:29 <gkatsev> you can
Nov 18 15:49:29 <BMyers> so you and i with evo's would be ok but otherwise...
Nov 18 15:49:35 <gkatsev> there are two apps for it
Nov 18 15:49:45 <BMyers> o there is?
Nov 18 15:49:59 <BMyers> app cat or preware?
Nov 18 15:50:12 <gkatsev> what you do is actually take a pic and the guy's server actually gets decodes it, so, it is kind of a hack
Nov 18 15:50:15 <gkatsev> official
Nov 18 15:50:25 <BMyers> ah
Nov 18 15:50:28 <gkatsev> appcat/preware might have the beta/upstream versions
Nov 18 15:50:42 <BMyers> i dont have a live pre so no app cat for me
Nov 18 15:50:44 <gkatsev> but it works pretty well, actually.
Nov 18 15:51:14 <gkatsev> oh, you are referring to app cat as official, lol, I though the app appcat
Nov 18 15:51:49 <BMyers> yeah the palm app catalog i have no access to over wifi
Nov 18 15:53:07 <BMyers> haeffb:  where you at?
Nov 18 15:53:15 <haeffb> MCI
Nov 18 15:53:25 <haeffb> Kansas City International
Nov 18 15:54:03 <BMyers> lucky you.. hope you packed some warm clothes
Nov 18 15:54:11 <BMyers> gonna be chilly here
Nov 18 15:54:25 <BMyers> (sugardave : not chile)
Nov 18 15:54:29 <gkatsev> there is this: http://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=de.juergentreml.preqr-web
Nov 18 15:54:44 <sugardave> I'm packing tonight, and trying to remember where my "winter" gear is
Nov 18 15:55:33 <BMyers> gkatsev: free but i cant get it on my inactive pre
Nov 18 15:55:39 <gkatsev> mm
Nov 18 15:55:50 <BMyers> its ok.
Nov 18 15:55:56 <BMyers> my evo has goggles
Nov 18 15:56:09 <gkatsev> use barcoder, it is better for QR codes
Nov 18 15:56:25 <gkatsev> er, barcode scanner
Nov 18 15:56:25 * haeffb struggled with light or heavy jacket decision. Went with light for ease of travel.
Nov 18 15:56:31 <gkatsev> the official app from zxing
Nov 18 15:56:36 <haeffb> But it won't be any more chilly there than it is here.
Nov 18 15:56:41 <haeffb> snowed yesterday
Nov 18 15:56:53 <BMyers> YIKES!!
Nov 18 15:57:00 <BMyers> gkatsev: i hve that one too
Nov 18 15:57:47 * sugardave is going to freeze his ass off for every cigarette.
Nov 18 15:57:56 <wastrel> snow
Nov 18 15:58:03 <BMyers> sugardave: bring your smoking mittens..
Nov 18 15:58:22 <gkatsev> BMyers: you wear mittens on your ass?
Nov 18 15:58:26 <sugardave> hahaha
Nov 18 15:58:35 <BMyers> if its cold enough
Nov 18 15:58:49 <gkatsev> is it like some specially designed ass mittens?
Nov 18 15:58:56 <BMyers> LL Bean
Nov 18 15:59:05 <BMyers> flanel lined...
Nov 18 16:00:45 <wastrel> pre 2 pre 2 pre 2 pre 2 pre 2 pre 2
Nov 18 16:00:52 <wastrel> wth is verizon waiting for :p
Nov 18 16:01:15 <gkatsev> iphone 5 with LTE
Nov 18 16:01:18 <BMyers> their too busy raking in cash from ipad sales?
Nov 18 16:01:22 <sugardave> black friday
Nov 18 16:02:04 <wastrel> nobody wants an iphone
Nov 18 16:02:33 <gkatsev> I don't. I refuse to pay for apple products.
Nov 18 16:02:55 <wastrel> apple is for dumb jerks
Nov 18 16:03:13 <sugardave> yeah, tell that to my idiot sister-in-law.  for months I told them about my pre and the os and blahblahblah.  she got an iphone
Nov 18 16:03:22 <gkatsev> lol
Nov 18 16:03:38 <sugardave> thanks for your support!
Nov 18 16:04:00 <gkatsev> what I mostly hate about the iphone is like how jobs is 'we did multitasking right and it is the best iimplementation' and all that crap
Nov 18 16:04:25 <gkatsev> also, I still don't get how they thought putting the antenna on the outside of the phone was a good idea
Nov 18 16:04:27 <sugardave> well, from what I saw of her iphone, jobs is a big at liar
Nov 18 16:04:30 <sugardave> fat, too
Nov 18 16:07:06 * haeffb is closing up shop. See you in NYC.
Nov 18 16:07:27 <BMyers> wait, before you go..
Nov 18 16:07:36 <sugardave> dundundun
Nov 18 16:07:59 <BMyers> you dont get in till friday sugardave  ?
Nov 18 16:08:17 <sugardave> yeah, 3:45 or so
Nov 18 16:08:38 <sugardave> oh, 2:40
Nov 18 16:08:43 <sugardave> according to the wiki :)
Nov 18 16:09:04 <BMyers> no way i am going there tonight
Nov 18 16:09:12 <BMyers> couldnt stand 3 str8 days in the city
Nov 18 16:09:31 <sugardave> are you driving in for day 1 tomorrow?
Nov 18 16:09:42 <BMyers> metro north train
Nov 18 16:11:17 <sugardave> I'm going to check in to the hotel then go ahead and go to the conference place...should be getting there at the end of the last session or while the social event is happening
Nov 18 16:12:02 <wastrel> there's a conference?
Nov 18 16:12:24 <sugardave> there is :D
Nov 18 16:12:43 <BMyers> good timing
Nov 18 16:13:32 <wastrel> in NYC?
Nov 18 16:14:05 <sugardave> wastrel: http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2128
Nov 18 16:14:31 <wastrel> huh who knew
Nov 18 16:14:35 <wastrel> i live in nyc
Nov 18 16:15:14 <sugardave> $25 and a guaranteed t-shirt
Nov 18 16:15:32 <wastrel> cheap
Nov 18 16:15:35 <wastrel> i would go but i can't
Nov 18 16:16:45 <BMyers> wastrel: just to get you up to date , palm is giving away pre +'s also
Nov 18 16:16:53 <wastrel> heh
Nov 18 16:16:58 <wastrel> you make a compelling argument
Nov 18 16:17:10 <wastrel> but i have work on friday and family stuff on saturday :]
Nov 18 16:18:14 <sugardave> raffling pre 2s
Nov 18 16:18:59 <wastrel> so if i don't have to attend, it's $25 and a free t-shirt to enter the raffle :]
Nov 18 16:19:14 <wastrel> er, $25 to enter the raffle and i get a free t-shirt
Nov 18 16:19:25 <sugardave> I'd imagine you have to attend ;)
Nov 18 16:33:07 <dohtem> is anyone geting the Pre 2? 450 isnt so bad
Nov 18 16:34:54 <funkatron> I'm going to claim unemployment to beg a free one
Nov 18 16:35:01 <dohtem> heh
Nov 18 16:35:24 <gkatsev> let us know how that works for you :P
Nov 18 16:35:26 * sugardave hangs his hopes on the raffle.
Nov 18 16:36:06 <sugardave> or maybe there will be an actual developer price break in a few months or something
Nov 18 16:36:10 <gkatsev> sugardave: try hanging your guts on it. Then other people wouldn't want to participate.
Nov 18 16:36:15 <dohtem> that'd be nice
Nov 18 16:36:24 <sugardave> gkatsev: hey, that's a good plan
Nov 18 16:36:42 <gkatsev> you know it
Nov 18 16:36:44 <gkatsev> :)
Nov 18 16:36:48 <dohtem> Its 494 after taxes and shipping for me
Nov 18 16:37:00 <sugardave> dohtem: where are you ordering it?
Nov 18 16:37:01 <BMyers> i never win anything so
Nov 18 16:37:16 <dohtem> http://h71016.www7.hp.com/ctoBases.asp?oi=E9CED&BEID=19701&SBLID=&ProductLineId=510&FamilyId=3360&LowBaseId=33702&LowPrice=&familyviewgroup=0&viewtype=Matrix
Nov 18 16:37:24 <dohtem> sugardave ^
Nov 18 16:37:37 <sugardave> got it
Nov 18 16:38:03 <gkatsev> BMyers: same, i've never won anything.
Nov 18 16:39:00 <halfhalo> Last thing I won was  from intel
Nov 18 16:39:06 <halfhalo> shiny ssd at E3
Nov 18 16:39:10 <dohtem> ooh
Nov 18 16:40:06 <halfhalo> hehehe:  var colors=['black','green','blue','red','pink','magenta','itsoilsfault'];
Nov 18 16:40:16 <dohtem> i gotta go to E3 in 2011
Nov 18 16:40:26 <dohtem> Or at least Google I/O
Nov 18 16:42:19 <sugardave> we should start making apps with a 'Blame Oil' easter egg...and when users find/use it it will tweet @ him "I blame YOU!"
Nov 18 16:42:46 <halfhalo> hehehe....
Nov 18 16:48:19 <gkatsev> halfhalo: that's a great color. What shade/hue is it?
Nov 18 16:48:34 <halfhalo> its the color blame
Nov 18 16:48:47 <gkatsev> right.
Nov 18 16:49:01 <halfhalo> goes great with lossofdignity on a webpage
Nov 18 16:49:51 <maik> mmm, it really is a beautifully light contrast
Nov 18 16:50:30 <maik> that's just some of the stuff we're working on.  i think you'll really like this next thing though
Nov 18 16:50:37 <maik> MUFUCKIN BEATLES ON THE MUFUCKIN ITUNES!
Nov 18 16:50:40 <maik> WUT!
Nov 18 16:51:47 <BMyers> jacksons needed the money
Nov 18 16:51:51 <BMyers> blanket needs a new blanket..
Nov 18 16:54:18 <dohtem> nyceane!
Nov 18 16:54:52 <dohtem> BMyers: He can have a quilt!
Nov 18 16:58:09 <gkatsev> maik: so you can buy it for the 5th time in a row?
Nov 18 16:58:27 <maik> hmm?
Nov 18 16:58:45 <gkatsev> beatles on itunes
Nov 18 16:58:53 <gkatsev> also, itunes i just terrible.
Nov 18 16:58:58 <gkatsev> terrible, terrible, terrible.
Nov 18 16:59:11 <halfhalo> yup
Nov 18 16:59:18 <halfhalo> I do like the zune software though
Nov 18 16:59:30 <gkatsev> it's ok.
Nov 18 17:01:30 <jamesderektate> you guys think palm will pay tomorrow or on monday
Nov 18 17:04:37 <swisstomcat> Need a portable schedule for #webOSDev Day in NY? http://bit.ly/devdayNYapp
Nov 18 17:05:19 <jamesderektate> sick
Nov 18 17:05:37 <jamesderektate> you coming?
Nov 18 17:05:51 <swisstomcat> nah, i can't
Nov 18 17:08:17 <sugardave> swisstomcat: is the new one here yet?
Nov 18 17:08:25 <swisstomcat> new one?
Nov 18 17:08:33 <sugardave> new sprout?
Nov 18 17:09:04 <jamesderektate> swisstomcat: do you normally get palm payments on the 20th?
Nov 18 17:09:26 <nyceane> anybody else is at palm developer day?
Nov 18 17:09:31 <swisstomcat> sugardave: no, he's supposed to get here today .. but nothing yet
Nov 18 17:09:38 <sugardave> ah, good luck :D
Nov 18 17:09:42 <jamesderektate> yep
Nov 18 17:09:45 <swisstomcat> jamesderektate: i think so
Nov 18 17:09:45 <jamesderektate> im gonna be at dev day
Nov 18 17:09:51 <jamesderektate> i live in manhattan
Nov 18 17:09:55 <jamesderektate> most expensive place on earth
Nov 18 17:09:55 <swisstomcat> get the app then :)
Nov 18 17:10:01 <jamesderektate> yea, i did
Nov 18 17:10:04 <wastrel> i live in brooklyn
Nov 18 17:10:04 <jamesderektate> cept i have an iphone
Nov 18 17:10:04 <nyceane> i m gona live in sf
Nov 18 17:10:04 <swisstomcat> like it?
Nov 18 17:10:10 <nyceane> 2nd most expensive place on earth lol
Nov 18 17:10:10 <swisstomcat> oh
Nov 18 17:10:18 <nyceane> traitor!
Nov 18 17:10:23 <swisstomcat> time to swap that with a pre2 at the dev day :)
Nov 18 17:10:26 <jamesderektate> yea i guess
Nov 18 17:10:28 <nyceane> WebOS > iPhone
Nov 18 17:10:30 <jamesderektate> used to live in san francisco growing up
Nov 18 17:10:34 <jamesderektate> i love the zoo and that huge park
Nov 18 17:10:44 <jamesderektate> used to take paper boxes and go down some slide..
Nov 18 17:11:16 <jamesderektate> what part in brooklyn?
Nov 18 17:11:18 <jamesderektate> park slope?
Nov 18 17:11:35 * sugardave will be at Dev Day tomorrow evening.
Nov 18 17:12:01 <jamesderektate> im not goin to lucky strike or anything
Nov 18 17:12:04 <jamesderektate> prolly leave around noon saturday
Nov 18 17:12:18 <jamesderektate> ill be the youngest person there.. 22
Nov 18 17:12:41 <gkatsev> I would've liked to go, but can't.
Nov 18 17:12:42 <sugardave> I will be bowling
Nov 18 17:12:54 <jamesderektate> i wonder how many people will be coming
Nov 18 17:12:55 <gkatsev> otherwise, i'd have been younger. only 21, currently.
Nov 18 17:13:01 <sugardave> and if you leave too early, you are going to miss enyo
Nov 18 17:13:16 <jamesderektate> its funny cause... all the teenagers are on facebook and myspace with their copypaste
Nov 18 17:13:17 <sugardave> Tibfib would have beat you both, but he wussed out
Nov 18 17:13:19 <BMyers> enyo, is that the pan-flute guy?
Nov 18 17:13:19 <jamesderektate> you dont see many teenagers making apps
Nov 18 17:13:44 <wastrel> jamesderektate: park slope yes
Nov 18 17:14:02 <sugardave> BMyers: or a transvestite Enya cover-man
Nov 18 17:14:07 <sugardave> it remains to be seen
Nov 18 17:14:27 <swisstomcat> sugardave: did you install the app?
Nov 18 17:14:41 <BMyers> hey maybe you'll get lucky and see naked guitar man if you go to times square
Nov 18 17:14:53 <sugardave> swisstomcat: I did, thanks!
Nov 18 17:15:05 <swisstomcat> like it?
Nov 18 17:15:23 <sugardave> yeah, it's nice and quick
Nov 18 17:16:10 <jamesderektate> does anyone sell iPaq games?
Nov 18 17:16:11 <sugardave> I'vw favorited my sessions to attend
Nov 18 17:16:32 <sugardave> swisstomcat: are you going to update it with links to the videos after the conference? :D
Nov 18 17:17:10 <swisstomcat> hehe
Nov 18 17:17:13 <swisstomcat> that'd be cool
Nov 18 17:17:25 <swisstomcat> another cool thing would be to add speaker profiles and pics
Nov 18 17:17:28 <swisstomcat> next ime
Nov 18 17:17:29 <swisstomcat> time
Nov 18 17:17:33 <sugardave> "soon"
Nov 18 17:21:03 <swisstomcat> http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2129
Nov 18 17:23:05 <BMyers> $200 discount from what?
Nov 18 17:23:33 <gkatsev> 450 i'm guessing
Nov 18 17:23:34 <swisstomcat> the full price
Nov 18 17:23:38 <swisstomcat> yeah
Nov 18 17:23:40 <swisstomcat> $450-200
Nov 18 17:23:49 <swisstomcat> only in the US
Nov 18 17:23:56 <swisstomcat> no love for us poor european developers
Nov 18 17:24:00 <gkatsev> so, $250
Nov 18 17:24:12 <swisstomcat> yeah
Nov 18 17:25:40 <nyceane> will it be cdma or gsm?
Nov 18 17:25:48 <nyceane> cuz I dont have an AT&T sim card
Nov 18 17:26:16 <BMyers> gsm
Nov 18 17:27:02 <nyceane> btw, anybody got the HP envy 17 yet?
Nov 18 17:27:33 <sugardave> dohtem: there it is, $200 off coupon
Nov 18 17:28:27 <dohtem> ?
Nov 18 17:28:32 <sugardave> for the pre2
Nov 18 17:28:35 <sugardave> $250
Nov 18 17:28:35 <dohtem> oooh
Nov 18 17:28:52 <summatusmentis> link? or is a thing that devday gets?
Nov 18 17:29:02 <sugardave> 11:14 < swisstomcat> http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2129
Nov 18 17:29:07 <summatusmentis> oh
Nov 18 17:29:09 <summatusmentis> missed that
Nov 18 17:29:11 <dohtem> got it
Nov 18 17:29:47 * summatusmentis ponders switching to gsm
Nov 18 17:30:50 <sugardave> I need to do more research, but I'm hoping that if I have to buy one, I should be able to take it with me out of the country to use as a travel phone or something
Nov 18 17:31:08 <sugardave> that's how the whole GSM/SIM thing works, right?
Nov 18 17:31:17 <dohtem> if you can sim unlock it, yes
Nov 18 17:31:37 <sugardave> what is the difference between unlocked UMTS and sim unlocked?
Nov 18 17:32:10 <summatusmentis> I don't travel out of the country much (yet, hopefully in grad school)
Nov 18 17:32:47 <sugardave> I only do once or twice a year, but would still like to have it
Nov 18 17:32:57 <dohtem> hmm... looks like its unlocked already
Nov 18 17:33:20 <sugardave> cool
Nov 18 17:38:38 <summatusmentis> someone needs to figure out if pre2 is comms board compatible >.>
Nov 18 17:43:34 <BMyers> i figured out how i can win a new pre 2 !!
Nov 18 17:44:17 <halfhalo> bribery?
Nov 18 17:44:24 <BMyers> if i buy one today off the hp website, I'll for sure win one tomorrow and make my purchase today totally useless .
Nov 18 17:59:44 <wastrel> heh
Nov 18 18:07:25 <gkatsev> BMyers: sell the free one for 250 then.
Nov 18 18:07:30 <gkatsev> BMyers: sell the free one for 251 then.
Nov 18 18:25:03 <dohtem> What's the best way to comments that might have multiple nested comments?
Nov 18 18:29:24 <codeslaw> real question: can i use a UMTS phone on the Sprint
Nov 18 18:30:07 <gkatsev> umts is much closer to GSM than CDMA
Nov 18 18:30:10 <gkatsev> so, no.
Nov 18 18:30:23 <codeslaw> damnit
Nov 18 18:30:33 <rwhitby> morning
Nov 18 18:40:41 <SineOtter> Mmm, that Dell Inspiron Duo seems pretty awesome.
Nov 18 19:03:00 <torchie> another attempt at precovery
Nov 18 19:06:54 <torchie> does extracting all files from the webOS doctor jar take a while?
Nov 18 19:07:00 <torchie> maybe I didn't do this right...
Nov 18 19:08:22 <SineOtter> It shouldn't... Should be pretty quick. The JAR is just a ZIP file, basically.
Nov 18 19:08:59 <jamesderektate> sineotter: you coming to ny tomorrow?
Nov 18 19:09:33 <SineOtter> hah, I wish. I'm in LA. Bit of a long trip. :)
Nov 18 19:09:50 <gkatsev> SineOtter: not as long as rwhitby's
Nov 18 19:10:00 <alexfner> I thought dev days started today?
Nov 18 19:10:05 <SineOtter> he's a lot more important to the community than I am ;P
Nov 18 19:10:08 <alexfner> What day is it what month is it where am I?
Nov 18 19:10:34 <gkatsev> 'this is teh earth, pretty sweet, eh?'
Nov 18 19:10:35 <rwhitby> it's been thursday for about 30 hours for me so far ...
Nov 18 19:10:39 <SineOtter> It's December 24th, 1865! Hurry home to be with your family!
Nov 18 19:11:53 <wastrel> hi
Nov 18 19:12:01 <SineOtter> hey wastrel
Nov 18 19:12:55 <alexfner> 1865 yet I have internet
Nov 18 19:12:57 <alexfner> hmm
Nov 18 19:13:01 <wastrel> pre2 pre2 pre2 pre2 pre2 pre2 pre2
Nov 18 19:13:44 <SineOtter> steam powered internet
Nov 18 19:16:03 <torchie> huh
Nov 18 19:16:08 <torchie> I don't appear to have a webos doctor jar
Nov 18 19:16:25 <SineOtter> what were you trying to extract then? o_o
Nov 18 19:16:44 <torchie> or maybe I do
Nov 18 19:16:46 <torchie> wait
Nov 18 19:17:04 <torchie> Palm\ webOS\(R\)\ Doctor\(tm\)\ Build\ Sprint.251.299,\ webOS\ 1.4.5.app
Nov 18 19:17:27 <SineOtter> .app?
Nov 18 19:17:53 <jamesderektate> when is pre2 coming to verizon?
Nov 18 19:18:04 <oil_pre> in the future
Nov 18 19:18:11 * torchie shrug
Nov 18 19:18:46 <SineOtter> where'd you get it, torchie? I assume you're on OSX if you ended up getting the doctor in .app form...
Nov 18 19:18:50 <dohtem> My divider isn't showing up.  Any idea why?
Nov 18 19:19:03 <oil_pre> magic
Nov 18 19:19:16 * dohtem doesnt like this kind of magic :(
Nov 18 19:19:29 <torchie> yeah
Nov 18 19:19:33 <torchie> I got it from the palm doctor website
Nov 18 19:19:40 <torchie> the one where you have to put in the serial number and everything
Nov 18 19:19:48 <torchie> I'm trying to get the nova installer uImage
Nov 18 19:19:50 <SineOtter> weird! I had no idea that you could get .app ones. It should have given you a .jar
Nov 18 19:20:04 <SineOtter> if you're on OSX, right click on the .app and go to "Show Package Contents"
Nov 18 19:20:09 <torchie> already looked in it
Nov 18 19:20:11 <torchie> no .jar
Nov 18 19:20:11 <SineOtter> and see if there's a .jar inside of that
Nov 18 19:20:16 <SineOtter> what's in it?
Nov 18 19:20:47 <rwhitby> torchie: for 1.4.5, just get the direct .jar link from our wiki page
Nov 18 19:21:04 <SineOtter> (I'm still curious what's in the .app though, didn't know they had those)
Nov 18 19:21:13 <torchie> alright
Nov 18 19:21:19 <oil_pre> magic
Nov 18 19:21:20 <torchie> let's kick names and take ass
Nov 18 19:21:46 <torchie> because I'd rather not rock a samsung instinct for the next 10 century period until palm releases the super device
Nov 18 19:24:46 <torchie> would it be a good idea to novaterm from the webos quick install app or should I just use the one in /bin
Nov 18 19:25:47 <alexfner> gahh what am I doing in IRC?
Nov 18 19:25:51 <alexfner> I thought today was dev day
Nov 18 19:26:08 <oil_pre> talking to oil as he flys to devday
Nov 18 19:26:12 <alexfner> I scheduled the hotel room in nyc for today and tomorrow
Nov 18 19:26:16 <maik> hooray!  Emergency Lights update published!
Nov 18 19:26:18 <torchie> alright let's extract ourselves a jar
Nov 18 19:26:19 <alexfner> and I was wrong wrong wrong
Nov 18 19:26:25 <alexfner> (not really)
Nov 18 19:26:37 <alexfner> oil_pre: damn you!
Nov 18 19:26:46 <oil_pre> :/
Nov 18 19:26:50 <jamesderektate> does anyone in here have android?
Nov 18 19:27:02 <SineOtter> I have access to some, but I don't use it
Nov 18 19:27:14 <jamesderektate> oh
Nov 18 19:27:15 <alexfner> oh did I say damn you, I meant to say hi
Nov 18 19:27:23 <alexfner> the keys are like right next to each other
Nov 18 19:27:59 <torchie> hmm would this extraction usually take long
Nov 18 19:28:35 <oil_pre> hours
Nov 18 19:28:36 <SineOtter> jamesderektate: why?
Nov 18 19:29:08 <rwhitby> torchie: webos quick install is not a good terminal
Nov 18 19:29:26 <alexfner> oil_pre: you'll be livebloggin the entire dev days right?
Nov 18 19:29:33 <torchie> oh wait there's a GUI extractor
Nov 18 19:29:45 <torchie> rwhitby: also yeah, I'm just gonna use the novaterm in terminal.app
Nov 18 19:29:56 <torchie> also if this recovery works
Nov 18 19:30:02 <torchie> I will love you forever rwhitby
Nov 18 19:30:06 <rwhitby> torchie: that's what I use
Nov 18 19:30:10 <torchie> maybe take you on a date
Nov 18 19:30:12 <torchie> french riviera
Nov 18 19:30:18 <rwhitby> what device are you trying to recover?
Nov 18 19:30:23 <torchie> sprint pre
Nov 18 19:30:24 <oil_pre> alexfner: I have no blog for which to live blog on
Nov 18 19:30:36 <alexfner> oil_pre: live IRCing the event?
Nov 18 19:30:40 <SineOtter> oil_pre: twitter. twitter it all
Nov 18 19:30:40 <jamesderektate> sineotter: just wondering
Nov 18 19:30:44 <jamesderektate> rage released for iphone today
Nov 18 19:30:47 <oil_pre> idk
Nov 18 19:30:49 <torchie> whoa this is a pretty expansive archive
Nov 18 19:30:51 <SineOtter> describe enyo in 140 characters or less
Nov 18 19:30:59 <torchie> where's the nova-installer-image-castle
Nov 18 19:31:03 <rwhitby> isn't she a singer?
Nov 18 19:31:07 <SineOtter> jamesderektate: I've got an ipod 4g, so ;p
Nov 18 19:31:13 <jamesderektate> cool
Nov 18 19:31:22 <jamesderektate> android has a horrible market, so the best thing is to release for free
Nov 18 19:31:24 <SineOtter> that's Enya, and not the ~mystery~ javascript framework that's getting a session on Saturday
Nov 18 19:31:29 * rwhitby wonders why anyone would ask about android or iphones in a webos channel
Nov 18 19:31:31 <oil_pre> I think rwhitbys talk is the only thing I wanna see tomorrow
Nov 18 19:31:36 <jamesderektate> lol
Nov 18 19:31:55 <SineOtter> "keep your friends close and your enemies closer"
Nov 18 19:31:56 <oil_pre> more stuff to see saturday
Nov 18 19:32:07 <SineOtter> oil_pre: you going to go to the Enyo thing?
Nov 18 19:32:08 * alexfner stomps around the channel like a dinosaur
Nov 18 19:32:09 <torchie> webOS.tar :o
Nov 18 19:32:10 <torchie> i
Nov 18 19:32:24 <oil_pre> SineOtter: for sure
Nov 18 19:32:32 <torchie> only result when I search "uimage" or "nova-installer-image-castle"
Nov 18 19:32:32 <oil_pre> to see wtf it's about
Nov 18 19:32:45 <SineOtter> awesome. I want to know what it is too~
Nov 18 19:32:55 <rwhitby> torchie: use the unpack-doctor script from the metadoctor
Nov 18 19:33:05 <torchie> more doctors to download!!
Nov 18 19:33:08 <rwhitby> torchie: actually, just use the "memboot" target in the metadoctor
Nov 18 19:34:08 <oil_pre> I have to say, irc makes the flight go by faster
Nov 18 19:34:14 <torchie> wait I just found the castle uImage!
Nov 18 19:34:18 <SineOtter> I was just thinking that given the Ares/Enyo naming similarities, that Enyo might be a PDK version of Ares... But it might just be the official name for the Hybrid Application framework
Nov 18 19:34:39 <SineOtter> ~useless conjecture is fun~
Nov 18 19:34:57 <oil_pre> hm
Nov 18 19:35:17 * oil_pre thougt it was like, new mojo or something
Nov 18 19:35:41 <SineOtter> It might be, but if it is, seems dumb to stick it as the like... Last thing on the last day of DevDays
Nov 18 19:35:48 <SineOtter> You know?
Nov 18 19:36:16 <oil_pre> eh
Nov 18 19:36:34 <oil_pre> probably they're not done with it, and just giving a little preiew
Nov 18 19:36:35 <SineOtter> If it was going to be a wholesale replacement for Mojo I'd have thought Palm would have given it a bit more prominant time slot
Nov 18 19:36:36 <alexfner> naw naw
Nov 18 19:36:56 <SineOtter> well, it's done enough that it can run apps, since it's going to have a demostration of an app at the end
Nov 18 19:37:04 <alexfner> enyo is the new mojo, more powerful, modular mvc framwork, with a touch stack built in
Nov 18 19:37:12 <oil_pre> hm
Nov 18 19:37:14 <SineOtter> And Hybrid Apps are "done" just not really fully supported
Nov 18 19:37:22 <torchie> i
Nov 18 19:37:23 <torchie> argh
Nov 18 19:37:30 <alexfner> it's designed to allow an application be published on multiple device types
Nov 18 19:37:38 <alexfner> it fills the gaps for printers and the like
Nov 18 19:37:44 <alexfner> it's the FUTURE
Nov 18 19:37:53 <torchie> rwhitby: having a bit of an issue
Nov 18 19:37:53 <oil_pre> ah
Nov 18 19:38:04 <torchie> root@palm-webos-device:/# lvm.static vgscan --ignorelockingfailure lvm.static vg
Nov 18 19:38:05 <torchie> change -ay --ignorelockingfailure
Nov 18 19:38:06 <torchie> File descriptor 3 (socket:[959]) leaked on lvm.static invocation. Parent PID 775: /bin/sh
Nov 18 19:38:06 <torchie> vgscan: invalid option -- a
Nov 18 19:38:11 <SineOtter> or it's that and Palm is going to be showing off apps for Printers... Printers that haven't even been announced yet!
Nov 18 19:38:18 <SineOtter> DUN DUN DUN
Nov 18 19:38:26 * oil_pre can't wait to get a dev printer to make sure preware is good on it xD
Nov 18 19:38:44 <alexfner> you guys didn't get your dev printers yet?
Nov 18 19:38:54 <oil_pre> so you can install the 'report ink levels correctly' patch
Nov 18 19:38:55 <alexfner> I guess they only send those out to us exclusives
Nov 18 19:38:57 <rwhitby> torchie: are you using metadoctor for this?
Nov 18 19:39:04 <torchie> terminal
Nov 18 19:39:17 <torchie> I just used the novacom command from the osx terminal
Nov 18 19:39:25 <rwhitby> UTSL
Nov 18 19:39:39 <torchie> :(
Nov 18 19:39:40 <SineOtter> torchie: if you expand webOS.tar you should find the uImage in there
Nov 18 19:39:45 <torchie> yeah I found the uImage
Nov 18 19:40:01 <torchie> managed to memboot
Nov 18 19:40:08 <rwhitby> look in the MetaDoctor for the right commands
Nov 18 19:41:08 <alexfner> rwhitby: did you get groped by the tsa at all?
Nov 18 19:41:10 <torchie> right commands?
Nov 18 19:41:51 <rwhitby> alexfner: nope.  TSA and I have a cordial relationship - we haven't progressed to second base yet
Nov 18 19:42:08 <alexfner> awe shucks
Nov 18 19:42:17 <alexfner> did you get to go through a full body scanner then?
Nov 18 19:42:20 <rwhitby> Tip for LAX terminal 4, left 2 lines don't have scanners
Nov 18 19:42:53 <oil_pre> in sea-tac the scaners were all closed
Nov 18 19:43:00 <oil_pre> only metal detectors
Nov 18 19:43:14 <oil_pre> well, at 3am they were
Nov 18 19:43:18 <alexfner> yeah but then don't you get groped without scanners?
Nov 18 19:44:21 <oil_pre> if you get chosen for scanning and you opt out
Nov 18 19:44:32 <oil_pre> (was my understanding)
Nov 18 19:44:43 <SineOtter> and you have to say "I opt out" otherwise you'll get hassled a ton
Nov 18 19:45:14 <SineOtter> apparently saying "I would rather get the hand search than the scanners" flies over the head of most TSA agents
Nov 18 19:48:44 * SineOtter can't wait for 2.0 to land for the Pixi. Fff.
Nov 18 19:51:04 <wastrel> hi hi
Nov 18 19:51:22 <wastrel> mmm naked scanners
Nov 18 19:51:38 <wastrel> haven't flown since those came aout
Nov 18 19:51:40 <wastrel> about
Nov 18 19:51:54 <alexfner> and now you're super excited to fly!
Nov 18 19:52:22 <wastrel> now i'm avoiding it until this mess is fixed
Nov 18 19:52:29 <wastrel> down with naked scanners
Nov 18 19:52:48 <oil_pre> up with touching your junk!
Nov 18 19:52:49 <SineOtter> the only reason I haven't flown since they went in is because I don't have the time to set aside for a month long trip to England :p
Nov 18 19:52:50 <chronomex> I haven't flown in years, I never go anywhere anyway
Nov 18 19:53:01 <wastrel> but with crazy wingnuts killing rail projects all over the country it's going to be a while before there's alternative :[
Nov 18 19:53:06 <chronomex> :\
Nov 18 19:53:40 <SineOtter> what killed rail projects is the fact that most of the tracks are owned by freight companies :/
Nov 18 19:53:57 <oil_pre> haha
Nov 18 19:54:03 <SineOtter> they've slowly but surely been replacing tracks with lower rated gradings and top speeds of like... 50mph
Nov 18 19:54:10 <funkatron> Well
Nov 18 19:54:18 <chronomex> rails have always been owned by freight companies
Nov 18 19:54:20 <SineOtter> since it's cheaper than doing 80mph tracks or higher speed ones
Nov 18 19:54:38 <chronomex> even way back in the day, freight traffic subsidized passenger traffic
Nov 18 19:54:39 <funkatron> I know that Amtrak is unusable where I am because they rent the tracks from freight, and have to wait on the freight trains
Nov 18 19:54:44 <funkatron> so you'll be, say, 3 hours late.
Nov 18 19:54:50 <sugardave> 80 mph, we'll show those Chinese who has the fastest rail!
Nov 18 19:55:17 <chronomex> railguns!
Nov 18 19:55:27 <torchie> OH SNAP
Nov 18 19:55:32 <torchie> THE DOCTOR REACHED 9%
Nov 18 19:55:32 <swisstomcat> ruby on rails
Nov 18 19:55:35 <torchie> the icon changed
Nov 18 19:55:44 <torchie> I am
Nov 18 19:55:46 <torchie> le saved?
Nov 18 19:56:03 <funkatron> wait, doctor?
Nov 18 19:56:11 <torchie> yeah I'm doctoring
Nov 18 19:56:23 <SineOtter> ahaha, well, a Class 5 rail is rated to 80 freight/90 passenger
Nov 18 19:56:28 * torchie fingers crossed
Nov 18 19:56:44 <SineOtter> but it's cheaper to lay Class 3 rails and those are rated to like 40/60
Nov 18 19:56:46 <torchie> but man I'm going to be missing so much crap
Nov 18 19:56:56 <torchie> screw it, better than missing a pre :D
Nov 18 19:57:01 <chronomex> :)
Nov 18 19:57:09 <torchie> still 9%
Nov 18 19:57:12 * torchie on edge
Nov 18 19:57:13 <SineOtter> going cross country at 60mph tops would suck really bad
Nov 18 19:57:27 <SineOtter> where's the nationwide Class 9 rails ;_;
Nov 18 19:57:36 <chronomex> I crossed montana by rail once ...
Nov 18 19:57:48 <chronomex> the frost heaves the rails so much that it's not worth the time it takes keeping them in repair
Nov 18 19:57:58 <chronomex> took a full day to cross the state, at like 40mph
Nov 18 19:58:05 <SineOtter> It's Montana... There's not much up that way. :p
Nov 18 19:58:15 <chronomex> it's on the way to chicago!
Nov 18 19:58:55 <SineOtter> Go through Missouri, not Montana!
Nov 18 19:59:12 <chronomex> that would have taken even longer!
Nov 18 19:59:19 <torchie> okay it's been on 9% for a while
Nov 18 19:59:23 <chronomex> I live in Seattle, there's a direct train to chicago
Nov 18 19:59:28 <SineOtter> Not if you could go at 200mph instead of 40!
Nov 18 19:59:40 <torchie> 12 PERCENT OMG
Nov 18 19:59:45 <chronomex> point.
Nov 18 20:00:05 <chronomex> hey, why is everything on WebOS "dr this" and "dr that"?
Nov 18 20:00:17 <torchie> because the doctor is the alpha and omega
Nov 18 20:00:39 <chronomex> but where did it *come* from?
Nov 18 20:00:46 <rwhitby> webOS Doctor
Nov 18 20:00:54 <torchie> it never came
Nov 18 20:00:57 <torchie> it has always been
Nov 18 20:00:59 <rwhitby> official recovery tool from Palm
Nov 18 20:01:01 <chronomex> ah okay then
Nov 18 20:01:06 <SineOtter> if you had uh... Your brain melt... I guess. You'd go to a doctor!
Nov 18 20:01:15 <chronomex> rwhitby: but there are loads of apps named "Dr XYZ"
Nov 18 20:01:19 <chronomex> heh
Nov 18 20:01:19 <SineOtter> So if your phone has its brain melt you take it for a trip to the doctor.
Nov 18 20:01:39 <rwhitby> chronomex: "loads"?
Nov 18 20:01:54 * rwhitby can think of 2
Nov 18 20:02:05 <chronomex> rwhitby: okay, more than one?
Nov 18 20:02:21 <rwhitby> Dr Battery fixes your battery health
Nov 18 20:02:28 <rwhitby> drPodder - dunno why
Nov 18 20:02:31 <SineOtter> One shirt is just a shirt... Two shirts is a load of launcdry! :V
Nov 18 20:02:40 <rwhitby> probably cause author is drNull
Nov 18 20:02:41 <torchie> maybe it could be a new webOS naming convention
Nov 18 20:02:51 <torchie> if it's Dr anything, it's a webOS exclusive application
Nov 18 20:03:00 <chronomex> dr battery, dr podder is what I have installed named like that
Nov 18 20:03:04 <chronomex> I like it
Nov 18 20:03:08 <torchie> just like how on super nintendo they had Super <game> and nintendo 64, <game> 64
Nov 18 20:03:13 <chronomex> hrmmm
Nov 18 20:03:19 <rwhitby> neither of those two have anything to do with the webOS Doctor
Nov 18 20:03:28 <chronomex> right, which made me curious
Nov 18 20:04:31 <rwhitby> Hmm - I shouldn't have told Mail.app to rebuild a 1031 message inbox on in-flight wifi ...
Nov 18 20:05:17 <torchie> The grace of the DOCTOR be with us all.
Nov 18 20:05:20 <torchie> Amen
Nov 18 20:05:30 <torchie> 52% - so hype
Nov 18 20:05:37 <rwhitby> ah good, the hotel has free internet
Nov 18 20:06:00 <oil_pre> lol
Nov 18 20:06:05 <chronomex> torchie: rad
Nov 18 20:06:06 <torchie> please don't get stuck at 52% for over 30 seconds
Nov 18 20:06:12 <torchie> OMG 64%
Nov 18 20:06:18 <torchie> I'm about to cry
Nov 18 20:06:41 <sugardave> it's the dreaded hang at 99% that you need to watch out for
Nov 18 20:06:46 <torchie> lol
Nov 18 20:06:52 <torchie> well apparently if there's a hang after 82% there's no big deal
Nov 18 20:07:02 <sugardave> sure
Nov 18 20:08:09 <sugardave> rwhitby: still in the air?
Nov 18 20:08:38 <torchie> come on doctor
Nov 18 20:08:44 <drnull> so drnull comes from http://www.cs.unc.edu/~dewan/242/s00/xinu-pentium/h/disk.h, I'm not a dr or anything, just FYI.  :)
Nov 18 20:08:54 <torchie> though right about now I'm wishing I didn't take off the screen protector
Nov 18 20:09:05 <torchie> the screen looks so beautiful and pristine right now
Nov 18 20:09:28 <rwhitby> drnull: nice
Nov 18 20:09:31 <drnull> At least I didn't go with drEad or something.
Nov 18 20:09:51 <SineOtter> torchie: it's pretty hard to scratch... unless you just toss it in willy nilly with other stuff
Nov 18 20:09:56 <drnull> Yeah, college classes and such.  It was amusing at the time, I kept using it.  It's fun.
Nov 18 20:10:21 <torchie> are you sure it's hard to scratch
Nov 18 20:10:29 <torchie> usually I keep it in the pocket alone
Nov 18 20:10:44 <torchie> but that's what I did with my treo pro and the face of that thing got scratched to death
Nov 18 20:10:55 <SineOtter> which pocket? ;3
Nov 18 20:10:58 <torchie> my right pocket!
Nov 18 20:11:01 <chronomex> pocket with keys!
Nov 18 20:11:07 <torchie> keys and wallet go on the left
Nov 18 20:11:08 <SineOtter> nooo! don't do your right pocket. Do the left.
Nov 18 20:11:10 <torchie> phone goes on the right
Nov 18 20:11:13 <torchie> whaaaa
Nov 18 20:11:22 <SineOtter> Right pocket on most pants, ESPECIALLY jeans, will have a coin pocket.
Nov 18 20:11:27 <chronomex> phone and earbuds on the right, keys on the left
Nov 18 20:11:30 <SineOtter> And coin pockets tend to have extra stitching/rivets
Nov 18 20:11:31 <torchie> yeah I put my coins in the coin pocket
Nov 18 20:11:31 <sugardave> keys on right, quarters, phone, cigarettes and lighter on left
Nov 18 20:11:35 <SineOtter> which are phone destroyers
Nov 18 20:11:41 <torchie> really?
Nov 18 20:11:43 <chronomex> how does extra stitches destroy a telephone?
Nov 18 20:11:47 <torchie> is the pre tall enough to reach those rivets
Nov 18 20:11:49 <chronomex> rivets I can see
Nov 18 20:11:51 <SineOtter> it's more the rivet on jeans
Nov 18 20:11:58 <SineOtter> torchie: when you're putting it in or out? yes
Nov 18 20:12:09 <torchie> well I've been thinking of carrying an altoids tin and a bible in my pocket
Nov 18 20:12:22 <SineOtter> but the left pocket is just pocket material, no rivets or rough stitching
Nov 18 20:12:23 <torchie> just so I can have more shit and have crazy stuffed pockets all the time.
Nov 18 20:12:27 <chronomex> I always have the screen facing out, because I've had some problems with the screen waking up and my leg unlocking the thing
Nov 18 20:12:28 <torchie> sigh
Nov 18 20:12:35 <torchie> it's gonna feel so weird having my phone in the left pocket
Nov 18 20:12:42 <torchie> OMG FLASHING PALM LOGO
Nov 18 20:12:43 <wastrel> i have my phone in my left pocket
Nov 18 20:12:44 * torchie jizz everywhere
Nov 18 20:12:46 <wastrel> but i'm a lefty
Nov 18 20:12:47 <SineOtter> that's what I do, at least, and my Pixi is pretty much pristine
Nov 18 20:12:51 <torchie> I'm a righty
Nov 18 20:12:53 <sugardave> don't you guys use the self-cleaning carrying pouch?
Nov 18 20:13:01 <chronomex> I switched sides a while ago after my keys wore a small hole in the bottom of my pocket ...
Nov 18 20:13:02 <torchie> the pouch is inconvenient
Nov 18 20:13:09 <chronomex> sugardave: you mean the belt holder?
Nov 18 20:13:13 <SineOtter> my girlfriend does, but she carries it mostly in a purse
Nov 18 20:13:21 <chronomex> or the orange thing?
Nov 18 20:13:25 <SineOtter> but even in pockets, she uses it
Nov 18 20:13:29 <sugardave> chronomex: no, just the little leather pouch that came in the box
Nov 18 20:13:33 <SineOtter> the Pixi got jipped and came with noooooooooooooooothhhhhhhhhing
Nov 18 20:13:33 <sugardave> the orange thing
Nov 18 20:13:35 <chronomex> ah hrm
Nov 18 20:13:45 <wastrel> get a belt case for your phone
Nov 18 20:13:51 <chronomex> my dad really likes the belt holster
Nov 18 20:13:54 <SineOtter> or a messenger bag :T
Nov 18 20:14:00 <wastrel> then you can also get a bluetooth jawbone headset
Nov 18 20:14:11 <wastrel> then you'll need a polo shirt and slacks and a crew cut and sunglasses
Nov 18 20:14:11 <chronomex> I'd use it but 1) I already have a leatherman, and 2) I don't put phones on my belt because it's dorky
Nov 18 20:14:15 <chronomex> yes!
Nov 18 20:14:32 <SineOtter> I have a Patagonia one and if my uh, pants aren't exactly condusive to phone pocketing I just put it in a leatherman holster on the shoulder strap
Nov 18 20:14:38 <torchie> if we could just
Nov 18 20:14:40 <torchie> make phones
Nov 18 20:14:45 <wastrel> oh !
Nov 18 20:14:45 <torchie> not derp
Nov 18 20:14:48 <wastrel> that thing
Nov 18 20:14:55 <wastrel> i dunno if it would work on the pre because of the curvy
Nov 18 20:15:01 <torchie> excuse my while I go hold a feasting celebration
Nov 18 20:15:12 <wastrel> but the thing is called 'nite eyes eclipse'  it's an adhesive clip you can attach to your phone
Nov 18 20:15:14 <torchie> I feel like the proud owner of a new palm pre
Nov 18 20:15:26 <torchie> or at least it feels newer now that the screen protector is OH MY GOD IT LIVES
Nov 18 20:16:02 <chronomex> :O
Nov 18 20:16:12 <sugardave> zombie pre
Nov 18 20:16:17 * chronomex highfives torchie
Nov 18 20:16:20 * torchie hi5
Nov 18 20:16:20 <chronomex> what was wrong with it?
Nov 18 20:16:28 <torchie> it was turning off before it reached the flashing palm logo
Nov 18 20:16:36 <chronomex> oh lame
Nov 18 20:16:55 <torchie> hey man :(
Nov 18 20:16:59 <torchie> it was tough for me
Nov 18 20:17:05 <torchie> the doctor didn't work at first
Nov 18 20:17:09 <torchie> I thought I was doomed
Nov 18 20:17:13 <torchie> and I was gonna have to use an instinct
Nov 18 20:17:27 <chronomex> nooooo
Nov 18 20:17:31 * rwhitby wonders when people will finally get it that you can't brick a Pre
Nov 18 20:17:45 <torchie> I thought it was a hardware failure :d
Nov 18 20:18:02 <torchie> now I'm just gonna have to keep this thing in pristine enough condition to get webOS 2.0 on it
Nov 18 20:18:25 <chronomex> is it going to be a hard upgrade if I've got some patches to the os applied?
Nov 18 20:18:27 <gkatsev> torchie: your backup phone is an instinct? sorry.
Nov 18 20:18:45 <chronomex> hey my backup phone is windows mobile 6 ... :\
Nov 18 20:18:46 <torchie> I don't have a backup phone, I was gonna have to use my brother's girlfriend's pink instinct
Nov 18 20:18:54 <torchie> my backup phone was a winmo 6.1 treo pro
Nov 18 20:19:14 <torchie> now that's something to be sorry about
Nov 18 20:19:21 <gkatsev> there was a pink instinct?
Nov 18 20:19:39 <en0x> lol
Nov 18 20:19:40 <torchie> except for the ability to bluetooth file share and run almost any video format and HTC durability, totally wasn't worth it
Nov 18 20:19:57 <torchie> so I chucked it into a fountain like the ungrateful teenybopper I am
Nov 18 20:20:10 <chronomex> heh
Nov 18 20:20:45 <chronomex> I take it nobody has written a webos app that gives the baseband a reacharound and displays all the cell net info it can get?
Nov 18 20:21:21 <bkos> hi all
Nov 18 20:21:49 <chronomex> ah0y
Nov 18 20:22:07 <SineOtter> I think there's a ##xxxx# command to get that info... But I can't remember what it actually is
Nov 18 20:22:24 <torchie> argh gotta put in all these passwordos
Nov 18 20:22:43 <chronomex> ##debug# shows a decent amount, though not much
Nov 18 20:22:50 <oil_pre> chronomex: show properties?
Nov 18 20:22:55 <chronomex> well, not as much as it could, according to my cdma book :)
Nov 18 20:23:08 <torchie> man I forgot some of these passwordos
Nov 18 20:23:14 <chronomex> :(
Nov 18 20:23:29 <SineOtter> oh, yeah. ##debug# was what I was thinking of
Nov 18 20:24:06 <SineOtter> What else could you want though? It's got channels, RSSIs, transmit power in DBM
Nov 18 20:24:24 <chronomex> I dunno, I'm thinking something more along the lines of mapping out the cell net
Nov 18 20:24:31 <torchie> anyone tried to use an altoids tin as a pre case
Nov 18 20:24:33 <chronomex> (I'm a phreaker, programmer, and geographer)
Nov 18 20:24:33 <torchie> I think it might almost fit
Nov 18 20:24:44 <torchie> but there are so many mints left in here
Nov 18 20:24:56 <torchie> ok never mind it won't fit
Nov 18 20:24:58 * torchie cries
Nov 18 20:24:58 <chronomex> dump em out temporarily
Nov 18 20:25:01 <chronomex> pity
Nov 18 20:25:11 <torchie> altoids really needs to make their tins bigger so I can put things in them
Nov 18 20:25:14 <chronomex> heh
Nov 18 20:25:46 <SineOtter> Hmm... LIFEDATARX: 150252
Nov 18 20:25:53 <SineOtter> Anyone want to guess what what units this is using?
Nov 18 20:25:53 <rwhitby> chronomex: palm has a hidden GSM info app in AT&T doctor
Nov 18 20:26:28 <torchie> i so happy
Nov 18 20:26:36 <torchie> my baby is back
Nov 18 20:26:36 <chronomex> rwhitby: pity I'm on sprint then
Nov 18 20:26:55 <chronomex> SineOtter: what is that from?
Nov 18 20:27:01 <rwhitby> eww cdma
Nov 18 20:27:04 <SineOtter> from ##rtn#
Nov 18 20:27:16 <chronomex> ah
Nov 18 20:27:30 <SineOtter> I kind of think it might be in megabytes...
Nov 18 20:27:40 <torchie> spriiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiajoijoiejgowijowigeh
Nov 18 20:27:46 <SineOtter> But that would mean that over the life time of this phone I've done 150gb down and 29gb up. D:
Nov 18 20:27:59 <chronomex> minutes?
Nov 18 20:28:05 <gkatsev> cdma has much better voice quality and much less likely to drop calls than GSM, but yes, it kind of sucks. It almost needs it own cpu and battery.
Nov 18 20:28:21 <SineOtter> That's under LIFETMR, and it's... 942. lol.
Nov 18 20:28:27 <chronomex> oh heh
Nov 18 20:28:47 <torchie> should we like
Nov 18 20:29:11 <torchie> get a bot
Nov 18 20:29:17 <SineOtter> So let's see... Activated on 2/19/2010
Nov 18 20:29:19 <torchie> so when someone says "i bricked my pre" it replies "no you didnt"
Nov 18 20:29:23 <chronomex> heh
Nov 18 20:29:26 <SineOtter> Man what the hell units are they using
Nov 18 20:29:42 <chronomex> man I dropped my phone the other day, I have hairline cracks around the microphone now :(
Nov 18 20:30:05 <SineOtter> I dropped my phone... And it just kind of bounced and got dusty.
Nov 18 20:30:19 <chronomex> I refuse to buy any phone that can't survive multiple 6foot drops onto rough concrete
Nov 18 20:30:20 <sugardave> SineOtter: 7-bit words
Nov 18 20:30:45 <SineOtter> so what would it work out to in terms of units? like... kB?
Nov 18 20:30:55 <torchie> tired of things breaking all the time
Nov 18 20:31:09 <torchie> chronomex: you can get a motorola defy lolololol
Nov 18 20:31:11 <gkatsev> sugardave: 7bit words? why 7?
Nov 18 20:31:11 <sugardave> if I knew what I was talking about, yes, kB sounds right ;)
Nov 18 20:31:25 <chronomex> torchie: or a Nokia 1100.
Nov 18 20:31:28 <torchie> super rugged high spec phone -- it'll last you a lifetime
Nov 18 20:31:31 <sugardave> gkatsev: it sounded good?
Nov 18 20:31:32 <torchie> a lifetime with android.
Nov 18 20:31:38 <gkatsev> lol
Nov 18 20:31:49 <chronomex> I been thinking (only a little) about porting the webos userland to android kernel
Nov 18 20:31:53 <gkatsev> sugardave: aka, you have no idea as well
Nov 18 20:32:05 <sugardave> right
Nov 18 20:32:48 <SineOtter> sugardave: kB works out to 150mb, and I know it's way more than that @_@
Nov 18 20:32:56 <sugardave> damn
Nov 18 20:33:23 <rwhitby> sugardave: you're going to miss my talk on Fri
Nov 18 20:33:23 <torchie> maybe it's in TB
Nov 18 20:33:31 <sugardave> rwhitby: I know, it sucks
Nov 18 20:33:33 <oil_pre> :/
Nov 18 20:33:46 <sugardave> I'll be getting there around the end of the last session, though
Nov 18 20:34:01 <SineOtter> 150 TB over 3G, lol.
Nov 18 20:34:07 <chronomex> heh
Nov 18 20:34:17 <chronomex> with iDEN you can transfer 3 gigs a month!
Nov 18 20:34:22 <chronomex> (limited by physics, not by policy)
Nov 18 20:34:42 <chronomex> thats why Boost Mobile can say UNLIMITED DATA :DDD
Nov 18 20:34:42 <SineOtter> None of these make any sense! They're using something between kB and mB.
Nov 18 20:35:02 <mbarvian> can someone help me craft a short sql statement?
Nov 18 20:35:03 <SineOtter> If it's kB, then it thinks that the lifetime data is 150mb. If it's mB, it's 150gb.
Nov 18 20:35:14 <SineOtter> And I'd have to be doing 15+gb a month over EVDO to get 150GB.
Nov 18 20:35:20 <torchie> man
Nov 18 20:35:26 <torchie> how do you check out your cdma stats
Nov 18 20:35:29 <torchie> I wanna see this
Nov 18 20:35:45 <torchie> right after 32 minutes of USB transfer
Nov 18 20:35:45 <chronomex> torchie: ##debug# and ##rtn#
Nov 18 20:36:33 <sugardave> mbarvian: shoot
Nov 18 20:36:41 <mbarvian> sugardave: thanks
Nov 18 20:36:53 <sugardave> hopefully it's an easy one ;D
Nov 18 20:37:15 <mbarvian> sugardave: I have a table named 'weights'.  in it I store weight entries.  each weight entries has a column corresponding to its year, month, date, and finally, the weight itself
Nov 18 20:37:21 <mbarvian> sugardave: understand so far? :)
Nov 18 20:37:24 <sugardave> sure
Nov 18 20:37:30 <mbarvian> sugardave: alright cool
Nov 18 20:38:24 <mbarvian> sugardave: now, I want to retrieve all the weights and their dates, by selecting all of them that have one month and one year.  this is how I do it:
Nov 18 20:38:24 <mbarvian> SELECT date, weight FROM 'weights' WHERE month=?;
Nov 18 20:38:51 <sugardave> okay
Nov 18 20:39:12 <mbarvian> actually, shouldn't it be:
Nov 18 20:39:22 <mbarvian> SELECT date, weight FROM 'weights' WHERE month=? AND year =?;
Nov 18 20:39:23 <mbarvian> ?
Nov 18 20:39:34 <mbarvian> where I just plug in the month and year?
Nov 18 20:39:38 <sugardave> yes, if you want to specify which year and month
Nov 18 20:39:39 <sugardave> yes
Nov 18 20:39:47 <mbarvian> sugardave: great. ok, now here's the thing
Nov 18 20:39:51 <SineOtter> If I pad out the lifetime data with two zeros, I think it's in kB.
Nov 18 20:40:10 <SineOtter> Which I guess makes sense. Don't need to really track 200kb or less.
Nov 18 20:40:19 <mbarvian> sugardave: I want it to return all the weights and their days in json
Nov 18 20:41:30 <mbarvian> sugardave: what would be the best way to do this, and how?  right now I am using the following code:
Nov 18 20:41:31 <mbarvian> http://pastie.org/1309309
Nov 18 20:41:33 <sugardave> well, it basically does that...you have to manipulate the items in the result set into your object (or just set it to the result set, depending on how you're made your object)
Nov 18 20:41:52 <mbarvian> sugardave: but I doubt the code works.  I haven't tried it yet though
Nov 18 20:42:07 <mbarvian> sugardave: could you take a look at it, and pastie something that might work?
Nov 18 20:42:08 <mbarvian> :)
Nov 18 20:42:23 <sugardave> yeah, checking it...this is Ares isn't it?
Nov 18 20:43:03 <mbarvian> sugardave: no.  I'm using komodo edit
Nov 18 20:43:15 <sugardave> oh okay
Nov 18 20:43:22 <sugardave> the inCallback stuff had me going
Nov 18 20:43:28 <sugardave> so I see one problem on line 10
Nov 18 20:43:32 <mbarvian> sugardave: alright
Nov 18 20:44:00 <sugardave> i should be checked against inResultSet.rows.length
Nov 18 20:44:16 <mbarvian> sugardave: thanks! I made that, and didn't really know what I was doing.  I'll change it
Nov 18 20:44:45 <dohtem> is Cupcake is lib?
Nov 18 20:44:53 <SineOtter> Oh my lord, CSS3 Flexbox is amazing. Where have you been all my life. ;3;
Nov 18 20:45:06 <mbarvian> dohtem: kind of :)
Nov 18 20:45:17 <mbarvian> dohtem: I wrote my own.  I used cupcake's code for this part though
Nov 18 20:45:20 <sugardave> mbarvian: in line 17, you call the passed in callback function
Nov 18 20:45:35 <sugardave> but the arg you're passing doesn't have a cupcakeobject property
Nov 18 20:45:57 <mbarvian> sugardave: good catch
Nov 18 20:46:00 <sugardave> I think you want inCallback(results.evalJSON());
Nov 18 20:46:42 <mbarvian> sugardave: alright
Nov 18 20:46:50 <sugardave> otherwise, it looks good to me....meaning there's a 90% chance it should work :D
Nov 18 20:46:55 <mbarvian> sugardave: is that all? :)
Nov 18 20:46:59 <sugardave> I think so
Nov 18 20:47:30 <mbarvian> sugardave: alright, here's the resulting code:
Nov 18 20:47:30 <mbarvian> http://pastie.org/1309321
Nov 18 20:47:45 <oil_pre> yeah dave, help mbarvian with sql :)
Nov 18 20:47:51 <mbarvian> oil: haha
Nov 18 20:47:53 <sugardave> mbarvian: ooops
Nov 18 20:47:59 <sugardave> you took out the second replacement var
Nov 18 20:48:04 <sugardave> for inDate
Nov 18 20:48:13 <mbarvian> ?
Nov 18 20:48:15 <sugardave> line 6
Nov 18 20:48:19 <mbarvian> ah
Nov 18 20:48:42 <mbarvian> how's this:
Nov 18 20:48:43 <mbarvian> http://pastie.org/1309325
Nov 18 20:49:21 <sugardave> I think so
Nov 18 20:49:31 <mbarvian> sugardave: awesome.  I'll try it and get back to you.
Nov 18 20:49:34 <sugardave> k
Nov 18 20:49:35 * SineOtter sheds tears of pure joy. CSS3 Flexbox + CSS3 animations = ~ROCKSTAR GRAPHICS~
Nov 18 20:49:38 <mbarvian> now, how would I access the date of a specific one
Nov 18 20:49:39 <mbarvian> ?
Nov 18 20:49:46 <mbarvian> result[whatever].weight?
Nov 18 20:49:55 <hotdp_pre> sugardave, talked to palm for me?
Nov 18 20:50:04 <sugardave> yes, that's right...got to go help with a math problem
Nov 18 20:50:20 <mbarvian> sugardave: that's right?
Nov 18 20:50:34 <mbarvian> sugardave: could I also do result[whatever].date?
Nov 18 20:55:06 * haeffb is back in session. Sitting in Four Points hotel in SOHO.
Nov 18 20:56:03 <torchie> oh snap
Nov 18 20:56:49 <hotdp_pre> haeffb i was in soho yesterfay
Nov 18 20:56:58 <hotdp_pre> what about the food tonight?
Nov 18 20:57:47 <oil_pre> haeffb sucks
Nov 18 20:58:12 * oil_pre still has an hour or so before he lands
Nov 18 20:58:37 <haeffb> hotdp_pre: I don't know. is rwhitby around?
Nov 18 20:58:50 <haeffb> oil_pre sucks. No wifi on haeffb's plane.
Nov 18 20:58:52 <oil_pre> yeah,he is still flying too
Nov 18 20:59:00 <hotdp_pre> oil how is the flight?
Nov 18 20:59:03 <haeffb> Oh, right he gets in later.
Nov 18 20:59:12 <oil_pre> cramped
Nov 18 20:59:13 <rwhitby> japanese, close to four points
Nov 18 20:59:15 * hotdp_pre has just been in central park
Nov 18 20:59:29 <oil_pre> if I was any taller I wouldn't fit at all
Nov 18 20:59:32 <rwhitby> I get into jfk at 6
Nov 18 20:59:52 <rwhitby> although they said they might be early
Nov 18 21:00:16 <haeffb> oil_pre: tell me about it. 6'4" doesn't like economy class...
Nov 18 21:00:25 <oil_pre> yeah
Nov 18 21:00:35 <haeffb> rwhitby: do you have a location, or is that still just a suggestion?
Nov 18 21:00:58 * oil_pre is just meeting everyone at 4points
Nov 18 21:00:58 <mbarvian> haeffb: do you think you could help me out with an sql thing real quick? I understand you're pretty good at it
Nov 18 21:01:18 <rwhitby> haeffb: google map on meetup page
Nov 18 21:01:45 <hotdp_pre> who thinks we can buy the cheap pre 2 to dev day?
Nov 18 21:01:48 <rwhitby> I'm going to arrive shower then go somewhere close for sushi
Nov 18 21:01:53 <haeffb> mbarvian: did sugardave tell you that?
Nov 18 21:02:02 <haeffb> you cannot trust sugardave
Nov 18 21:02:09 <mbarvian> haeffb: I think so actually
Nov 18 21:02:18 <mbarvian> haeffb: didn't you write the cupcake lib?
Nov 18 21:02:19 <haeffb> what's the sql thing?
Nov 18 21:02:34 <haeffb> well, yes, I guess I did. It was a moment of weakness.
Nov 18 21:02:41 * oil_pre is about to pass over "oil city'
Nov 18 21:02:42 <mbarvian> haeffb: lol.  better than me
Nov 18 21:02:50 <mbarvian> haeffb: it's pretty easy: here's the deal:
Nov 18 21:03:11 <sugardave> mbarvian: basically whatever fields you selected should be gotten by results[index].someColumn
Nov 18 21:03:14 <mbarvian> haeffb: I have a table called 'weights'.  In this table I store weight entries.  Each entry has a column corresponding to the weight's year, month, date, and actual weight
Nov 18 21:03:34 <mbarvian> sugardave: it didn't work :(
Nov 18 21:03:46 <sugardave> mbarvian: when did you try to access it
Nov 18 21:04:01 <sugardave> hotdp_pre: good news, you can order a Pre 2 direct from HP for $449
Nov 18 21:04:06 <sugardave> unlocked UMTS phone
Nov 18 21:04:22 <mbarvian> sugardave: just now.  I got an error when I tried the if statement result[0].weight.  it said there was no weight of that object
Nov 18 21:04:42 <hotdp_pre> sugardave, is that a version that will work in EU?
Nov 18 21:05:00 <sugardave> hotdp_pre: I think so, it's supposedly unlocked
Nov 18 21:05:16 <sugardave> I hope so, because that is what I will eventually get if the raffle doesn't work out
Nov 18 21:05:28 <mbarvian> haeffb: This is the code I'm using. I'm trying to return an array, with each entry as one of the members of the array.  Like result[0].date or result[0].weight
Nov 18 21:05:38 <hotdp_pre> but thinking about network. rwhitby, taked about a "global" version?
Nov 18 21:05:42 <sugardave> mbarvian: I would suspect that you are failing to set the results, then
Nov 18 21:05:44 <mbarvian> haeffb: this is the code I am currently using to try and do this:
Nov 18 21:05:45 <mbarvian> http://pastie.org/1309325
Nov 18 21:05:50 <rwhitby> sugardave: it's US version
Nov 18 21:06:01 <swisstomcat> hotdp: you can buy an US version of the pre2 for $250
Nov 18 21:06:11 <rwhitby> can't get EU phones from hp.com
Nov 18 21:06:18 <sugardave> rwhitby: ah, dammit
Nov 18 21:06:22 <wastrel> hi
Nov 18 21:06:24 <mbarvian> sugardave: yeah.  I'm kind of shooting in the dark on this one though lol
Nov 18 21:06:41 <sugardave> rwhitby: so that means I wouldn't be able to take that with me to the UK and get a travel sim and use it?
Nov 18 21:06:46 <rwhitby> bit you can buy a us one and do a comms board swap I expect
Nov 18 21:06:46 <haeffb> mbarvian: you have no inYear
Nov 18 21:06:54 <mbarvian> haeffb: I added it sorry
Nov 18 21:06:54 <hotdp_pre> swisstomcat. but will it work? how is your pre 2? dud all work as it should?
Nov 18 21:06:59 <mbarvian> haeffb: don't worry about it
Nov 18 21:07:07 <sugardave> mbarvian: oh
Nov 18 21:07:09 <mbarvian> haeffb: I just forgot to put it in the new pastie
Nov 18 21:07:11 <rwhitby> sugardave: it will work for 2G, not 3G
Nov 18 21:07:12 <swisstomcat> hotdp: works pretty well .. no big problems so far
Nov 18 21:07:13 <oil_pre> lol
Nov 18 21:07:13 <sugardave> he means in your function
Nov 18 21:07:18 <swisstomcat> hotdp: where are you in NYC?
Nov 18 21:07:21 <sugardave> as an arg
Nov 18 21:07:26 <mbarvian> sugardave: yeah I added it though.  just never put it in the pastie
Nov 18 21:07:39 <sugardave> rwhitby: okay, so can make calls, that's all I wanted
Nov 18 21:07:44 * rwhitby is hungry - missed lunch
Nov 18 21:07:46 <haeffb> mbarvian: this.retrieveMonth = function (inMonth, inCallback) {
Nov 18 21:08:03 <mbarvian> haeffb: yeah i know it should be function(inMonth, inYear, inCallback)
Nov 18 21:08:08 * haeffb is hungry - only had a banana and bag of airline peanuts so far today
Nov 18 21:08:10 <mbarvian> haeffb: it's just not in the pastie is all
Nov 18 21:08:10 <hotdp_pre> swisstomcat. on starbuks have just been in central park :-)
Nov 18 21:08:26 * oil_pre hasn't eaten a meal yet today
Nov 18 21:08:46 <swisstomcat> don't they have food on the airplane?
Nov 18 21:08:55 <rwhitby> so now that ben and dion have moved on, who is in charge of devrel? Lisa?
Nov 18 21:08:57 <sugardave> hahahaha
Nov 18 21:08:58 <swisstomcat> hotdp: how do you like nyc
Nov 18 21:09:09 <oil_pre> they do, but charge for it
Nov 18 21:09:13 * hotdp_pre want a 3g working Pre 2. 
Nov 18 21:09:18 <swisstomcat> rwhitby: jason zajac .. head of hp's attach group .. that's what i read
Nov 18 21:09:27 <dohtem> who's that?
Nov 18 21:09:43 <swisstomcat> he's from HP, running the HP developer support
Nov 18 21:09:46 <oil_pre> I'll get bnceo to stop by fast food on the way to my hotel before I walk to 4points
Nov 18 21:09:50 <swisstomcat> tried to contact him to no avail :(
Nov 18 21:09:56 <sugardave> mbarvian: what if you just dump results[0] to the log?  anything there?
Nov 18 21:09:58 <hotdp_pre> swisstomcat. NYC is Awsome! but got to many martinis the first night ;-)
Nov 18 21:10:02 <swisstomcat> hehe
Nov 18 21:10:05 <mbarvian> sugardave: let me try
Nov 18 21:10:07 <sugardave> Object.toJSON(results[0]);
Nov 18 21:10:56 <hotdp_pre> swisstomcat, was very sad to hear about the raffle :-(
Nov 18 21:11:00 <swisstomcat> Jason Zajac VP/GM, Attach Group at Hewlett-Packard
Nov 18 21:11:09 <swisstomcat> hotdp: what about it?
Nov 18 21:11:13 <dohtem> sugardave: that's not a good sign.  Ben and Dion were pretty well known to us.  We havent heard from this new guy.
Nov 18 21:11:15 <hotdp_pre> broke my heart
Nov 18 21:11:35 * sugardave deflects to swisstomcat.
Nov 18 21:11:43 * swisstomcat deflects to /dev/null
Nov 18 21:12:04 <mbarvian> sugardave: where should I put that code?
Nov 18 21:12:19 <hotdp_pre> swisstomcat. there will not be pre 2 at dev day. only some who is lucky for a raffle..
Nov 18 21:12:37 <swisstomcat> dohtem: http://www.precentral.net/palm-developer-relations-getting-more-hp-resources
Nov 18 21:12:46 <swisstomcat> hotdp: really :(
Nov 18 21:12:48 <sugardave> mbarvian: oh wait, you already have a logging line in there, just uncomment the Mojo.Log... line
Nov 18 21:12:56 <GeneralMelchett> What's delaying the Pre 2 stateside, anyhow? Carrier negotiations?
Nov 18 21:12:59 * haeffb has to get a quick bite to eat. bbl.
Nov 18 21:13:01 <mbarvian> sugardave: it's not even getting there :?
Nov 18 21:13:03 <hotdp_pre> yes :-(
Nov 18 21:13:23 <swisstomcat> generalmelchett: it became available today
Nov 18 21:13:36 <sugardave> mbarvian: what do you mean, it is before the check that fails
Nov 18 21:13:39 <GeneralMelchett> Oh did it? Or is that just the unlocked version?
Nov 18 21:13:45 <swisstomcat> yeah, the unlocked
Nov 18 21:13:49 <swisstomcat> directly from HP
Nov 18 21:13:50 <mbarvian> sugardave: nevermind
Nov 18 21:13:53 <swisstomcat> a good think IMHO
Nov 18 21:14:00 <swisstomcat> c/think/thing
Nov 18 21:14:19 <rwhitby> yeah $250 is a good price
Nov 18 21:14:22 <swisstomcat> why would you still buy your phone through a carrier?
Nov 18 21:14:41 <oil_pre> insurance, etc, etc
Nov 18 21:14:43 <MetaView> hiho
Nov 18 21:14:45 <swisstomcat> too bad only US for now
Nov 18 21:14:47 <swisstomcat> hallo metaview
Nov 18 21:14:49 <dohtem> swisstomcat: subsidies
Nov 18 21:14:50 <haeffb> swisstomcat: because you pay for it even if you don't
Nov 18 21:14:58 <torchie> yeah
Nov 18 21:14:59 <swisstomcat> lies
Nov 18 21:14:59 <MetaView> rwhitby: on an airport?
Nov 18 21:15:03 <torchie> it's like wooo unlocked!
Nov 18 21:15:06 <haeffb> the cost of phones is included in the cost of cell service.
Nov 18 21:15:10 <torchie> wait i still gotta pay for the service anyway
Nov 18 21:15:12 <GeneralMelchett> I normally don't, I was just wondering when it would hit the mainstream, as it were. Actually, I'm against signing up for multi-year contracts.
Nov 18 21:15:13 <swisstomcat> subsidies are a lie
Nov 18 21:15:26 <mbarvian> Mojo.Log.error("results[0].weight =" + results[0].weight);
Nov 18 21:15:34 <mbarvian> is not logging anything
Nov 18 21:15:36 <rwhitby> MetaView: on a plane
Nov 18 21:15:37 <swisstomcat> metaview: he's on the plane :)
Nov 18 21:15:44 <torchie> and then you're sitting here with this unlocked device that only gets 3G on either AT&T or T mobile
Nov 18 21:15:54 <MetaView> on a plane? with wifi? hm
Nov 18 21:15:57 <sugardave> mbarvian: does it print the string part or just bomb completely?
Nov 18 21:16:03 <swisstomcat> no idea why the us has to use CDMA and not GSM
Nov 18 21:16:11 <torchie> because pickles
Nov 18 21:16:12 <mbarvian> sugardave: bomb completely
Nov 18 21:16:14 <oil_pre> MetaView: I am on a different plane, too, haha
Nov 18 21:16:15 <sugardave> okay
Nov 18 21:16:18 <MetaView> string too long
Nov 18 21:16:26 <swisstomcat> probably because the same as with the miles/kilometers thingie
Nov 18 21:16:28 <GeneralMelchett> torchie: Better that than contract lock-in, I say. Also, for those of us who travel abroad regularly, it's a definite advantage.
Nov 18 21:16:30 <haeffb> Mojo.Log.error ("Results %j", results);
Nov 18 21:16:31 <MetaView> hi oil, I don#t blame you :)
Nov 18 21:16:33 * halfhalo thinks oils plane will crash
Nov 18 21:16:34 <rwhitby> Pre's on a plane!
Nov 18 21:16:39 <sugardave> hahaha
Nov 18 21:16:45 <torchie> yeah if you travel abroad it's good
Nov 18 21:16:53 <BMyers> traveled with one.
Nov 18 21:16:56 <BMyers> does that count?
Nov 18 21:17:11 <halfhalo> "Get these ___ pres off this ___ plane!"
Nov 18 21:17:15 <sugardave> mbarvian: okay, back up a level...put a log line in your for loop that says something like "Processing record: " + i
Nov 18 21:17:28 <swisstomcat> better than snakes on a plane
Nov 18 21:17:40 <mbarvian> sugardave: alright
Nov 18 21:17:43 * MetaView don't use planes
Nov 18 21:17:51 * dohtem never saw Snakes on a Plane
Nov 18 21:17:52 <swisstomcat> walk to new york?
Nov 18 21:17:54 <BMyers> sugardave:  is the sql masta
Nov 18 21:18:01 * dohtem bows
Nov 18 21:18:03 <sugardave> hardly
Nov 18 21:18:08 <rwhitby> dohtem: me neither
Nov 18 21:18:20 * MetaView is not going to new york, his 25 year old motorcycle wouldn't make it that far :)
Nov 18 21:18:39 <swisstomcat> me neither, i have to stay home :(
Nov 18 21:18:41 <mbarvian> sugardave: that bombs completely too.  it's not showing it
Nov 18 21:18:53 <sugardave> ah ha
Nov 18 21:18:58 <sugardave> this would explain a lot
Nov 18 21:19:14 <sugardave> so, that means the code thinks there are no results
Nov 18 21:19:18 <MetaView> what is he trying?
Nov 18 21:19:25 <mbarvian> sugardave: ahh. i see
Nov 18 21:19:28 <sugardave> MetaView: some db stuff
Nov 18 21:19:34 <mbarvian> sugardave: it fails the if statement
Nov 18 21:19:37 <sugardave> right
Nov 18 21:20:49 * rwhitby remembers to ask for 'sprite' instead of lemonade
Nov 18 21:21:10 <swisstomcat> they don't know what sprite is .. ask for 7up
Nov 18 21:21:13 <MetaView> sometimes they sell miranda
Nov 18 21:21:20 <MetaView> or 7up, right
Nov 18 21:21:30 <dohtem> lol
Nov 18 21:21:31 <swisstomcat> don't drink mountain dew, it's bad
Nov 18 21:21:37 <dohtem> hush!
Nov 18 21:21:37 <rwhitby> 'generic clear lemon flavoured fizzy soft drink please'
Nov 18 21:21:48 <dohtem> Mountain Dew is the nectar of the gods
Nov 18 21:21:54 <swisstomcat> bleh
Nov 18 21:22:19 <swisstomcat> get some korean barbeque .. tasty
Nov 18 21:22:20 <mbarvian> weights.retrieveMonth(WeightTracker.selectedMonth, fourdigits(now.getYear()), this.findSmallestLargestMonth.bind(this));
Nov 18 21:22:24 <mbarvian> is the code I'm using
Nov 18 21:22:33 <rwhitby> sierra mist is 'sprite' here apparently
Nov 18 21:22:49 <oil_pre> no, there is both
Nov 18 21:24:02 <oil_pre> oh, descending!
Nov 18 21:24:16 * oil_pre is going to lose wifi
Nov 18 21:24:29 * oil_pre brb
Nov 18 21:24:32 <swisstomcat> stow away all your electronic devices
Nov 18 21:24:44 <swisstomcat> we're going dooooowwwwnnnn
Nov 18 21:24:52 <dohtem> he was in the air the entire time?
Nov 18 21:25:00 <MetaView> now he's gone
Nov 18 21:25:09 <mbarvian> sugardave: ideas?
Nov 18 21:25:53 <msd18> hey yall
Nov 18 21:25:59 <dohtem> hey hey hey
Nov 18 21:26:13 <sugardave> mbarvian: not really...the first thing I would do is test my select code with hardcoded values of known db entries
Nov 18 21:26:17 <sugardave> just to make sure that part works
Nov 18 21:26:20 <msd18> i sshed into a free ssh server on my fone and used bitchx irc
Nov 18 21:26:31 <halfhalo> sounds complicated
Nov 18 21:26:33 <mbarvian> sugardave: alright I'll do that
Nov 18 21:26:35 <sugardave> and THEN troubleshoot why my method of retrieving the values might be failing
Nov 18 21:26:38 <mbarvian> sugardave: let me see
Nov 18 21:26:42 <msd18> lol
Nov 18 21:26:46 <wastrel> web os
Nov 18 21:27:04 <MetaView> how does the sql string look?
Nov 18 21:27:35 <sugardave> MetaView: last pastie I got (it's changed by now): http://pastie.org/1309325
Nov 18 21:28:06 <mbarvian> sugardave: didn't work
Nov 18 21:28:28 <mbarvian> sugardave: still not getting to the for loop. must be a problem elsewhere
Nov 18 21:29:02 <sugardave> if you put a log line immediately after declaring the results array, will it print that?
Nov 18 21:29:31 <mbarvian> sugardave: let me try
Nov 18 21:29:39 <mbarvian> MetaView: latest pastie is here if you're interested:
Nov 18 21:29:39 <mbarvian> http://pastie.org/1309447
Nov 18 21:30:16 <mbarvian> sugardave: yeah that works.  must be failing the if statement
Nov 18 21:30:22 <sugardave> yes
Nov 18 21:30:33 <MetaView> cause no results
Nov 18 21:30:57 <MetaView> if you skip the where clause? what happens?
Nov 18 21:31:01 <mbarvian> sugardave: yep, cause I put in an else and it took that
Nov 18 21:31:04 <sugardave> mbarvian: so make that new log line spit out result.rows.length
Nov 18 21:31:18 <sugardave> er inResultSet.rows.length
Nov 18 21:31:45 <mbarvian> sugardave: a ha. 0
Nov 18 21:31:49 <sugardave> ding ding din
Nov 18 21:31:50 <sugardave> g
Nov 18 21:32:43 <mbarvian> Metaview: what could be wrong with the WHERE portion?
Nov 18 21:32:54 <MetaView> I don't know, just a guess
Nov 18 21:33:02 <sugardave> mbarvian: just so you can see if it's returning anything at all
Nov 18 21:33:14 <sugardave> you could also select * instead of arbitrary columns
Nov 18 21:33:37 <MetaView> there is something which made me an headache, and I don#t know if it was the sql query in a var
Nov 18 21:33:51 <MetaView> something very unobviously
Nov 18 21:34:01 <MetaView> yes, select * from weights
Nov 18 21:34:13 <MetaView> no ''
Nov 18 21:34:35 <sugardave> it might be something stupid, like needing to put: SELECT 'date', weight....
Nov 18 21:34:51 <MetaView> in mysql it is ``
Nov 18 21:34:59 <MetaView> `date`, `weight`
Nov 18 21:35:04 <mbarvian> MetaView: let me try
Nov 18 21:35:06 <MetaView> not 'date'
Nov 18 21:35:18 <sugardave> ah
Nov 18 21:35:20 <sugardave> the other tick
Nov 18 21:35:34 <mbarvian> sugardave: should it also be "FROM `weights`"?
Nov 18 21:35:46 <sugardave> no, that should be okay, but it probably doesn't hurt
Nov 18 21:35:49 <dohtem> Is there an app standards and best practices for webOS?  I'm concerned about font sizes and how low I should go.
Nov 18 21:36:07 <sugardave> dohtem: search Palm UI guidelines
Nov 18 21:36:12 <alexfner> has dev day started yet?
Nov 18 21:36:19 <sugardave> alexfner: no
Nov 18 21:36:34 <dohtem> Found it.  Thanks sugardave
Nov 18 21:36:39 <mbarvian> nope that didn't do it :(
Nov 18 21:37:01 <rwhitby> devday pre-dinner starts tonight
Nov 18 21:37:21 <torchie> whoa this feels nice without a screen protector
Nov 18 21:37:23 <torchie> take pix!
Nov 18 21:37:44 <MetaView> mbarian: what about "select * from wheights;"
Nov 18 21:38:17 <MetaView> if it doesn't work, are you sure the db is open and has this table?
Nov 18 21:38:19 <mbarvian> MetaView: still jumps right to the error handler
Nov 18 21:38:26 <mbarvian> MetaView: haha yeah I'm sure
Nov 18 21:38:33 <MetaView> no weights? maybe?
Nov 18 21:39:02 <sugardave> mbarvian: try this for the hell of it: http://webos.pastebin.com/XwU5tUMq
Nov 18 21:39:13 <sugardave> and see if it shows a number other than 0 for the results
Nov 18 21:39:31 <MetaView> there is a ( too much?
Nov 18 21:40:06 <MetaView> gblTargetsDB.transaction(function (tx) {
Nov 18 21:40:15 <MetaView> you have: this.db.transaction((function (inTransaction) {
Nov 18 21:40:31 <sugardave> ah, nice catch
Nov 18 21:40:40 <mbarvian> sugardave: success!!!
Nov 18 21:40:54 <sugardave> mbarvian: okay
Nov 18 21:41:02 <sugardave> now change that to be select * where etc.
Nov 18 21:42:43 <mbarvian> sugardave: another success
Nov 18 21:42:48 <MetaView> so it's no ''
Nov 18 21:43:01 <sugardave> okay, it hates your field limiting for whatever reason
Nov 18 21:43:09 <swisstomcat> good night everyone
Nov 18 21:43:15 <mbarvian> swisstomcat: good night
Nov 18 21:43:18 <swisstomcat> have fun with the pre-devday meetup
Nov 18 21:43:19 <sugardave> select `date`, `weight`....try
Nov 18 21:43:23 <sugardave> swisstomcat: night
Nov 18 21:43:32 <mbarvian> sugardave: alright...
Nov 18 21:44:14 <mbarvian> sugardave: success!
Nov 18 21:44:18 <sugardave> sweet
Nov 18 21:44:46 <sugardave> I'm guessing it's because date is a type...but not sure, since I always just select * anyway
Nov 18 21:46:26 <mbarvian> sugardave: now
Nov 18 21:46:42 <mbarvian> sugardave: I'm also getting one error:
Nov 18 21:46:42 <mbarvian> Uncaught TypeError: Object [object Object],[object Object] has no method 'evalJSON' (app/models/weights.js:71)
Nov 18 21:46:58 <mbarvian> line 71 is:
Nov 18 21:46:59 <mbarvian> inCallback(results.evalJSON());
Nov 18 21:47:15 <sugardave> it's because results is an array and lacks that method
Nov 18 21:47:36 <mbarvian> sugardave:ah.  what should it be?
Nov 18 21:47:38 <sugardave> you may not need it, just have your callback function go through the array and do whatever processing you want to do
Nov 18 21:47:56 <mbarvian> sugardave: so now I can just do results[0].weight and such?
Nov 18 21:48:07 <sugardave> yep
Nov 18 21:48:12 <MetaView> actually you do it in the if
Nov 18 21:48:13 <mbarvian> if I just take out the evalJSON method ?
Nov 18 21:48:26 <mbarvian> MetaView: ah yes
Nov 18 21:48:44 <MetaView> is there some rule about the order of the menu entriesß
Nov 18 21:48:46 <MetaView> ?
Nov 18 21:49:32 <sugardave> MetaView: edit on top, your stuff, preferences, help
Nov 18 21:50:35 <MetaView> really pres the pre last?
Nov 18 21:50:42 <MetaView> prefs the pre last
Nov 18 21:50:56 <haeffb> rwhitby: turns out the four points restaurant has sushi on the menu
Nov 18 21:51:16 <MetaView> that's stupid, I need the prefs quite often and don't want to scroll this stupid menu
Nov 18 21:51:17 <sugardave> MetaView: I'm just looking at the memos app
Nov 18 21:51:22 <rwhitby> oh, that sounds perfect
Nov 18 21:51:33 <sugardave> er calendar, actually
Nov 18 21:51:34 <rwhitby> haeffb: but is it any good?
Nov 18 21:51:45 <MetaView> hm, I had prefs always below, but now i thought about raising this item
Nov 18 21:51:47 <sugardave> MetaView: I think the most important bit is edit at top and help last
Nov 18 21:51:55 <MetaView> ok, that's ok
Nov 18 21:52:05 <sugardave> I don't think they will mess with you if you put prefs then your stuff
Nov 18 21:52:12 <MetaView> even if edit is such a senceless item
Nov 18 21:52:15 <sugardave> because prefs is one that they don't require
Nov 18 21:52:20 <MetaView> ok
Nov 18 21:52:31 <torchie> this is weird
Nov 18 21:52:47 <torchie> pre's been alternating between "google syncing... facebook syncing" and "sync complete" for a while
Nov 18 21:55:49 <maik> how do you do newlines in app description
Nov 18 21:55:50 <maik> ?
Nov 18 21:56:44 <sugardave> use &
Nov 18 21:56:47 <sugardave> only one
Nov 18 21:56:48 <sugardave> apparently
Nov 18 21:57:05 <sugardave> if you have an & in the text anywhere, it converts newlines for you
Nov 18 21:57:20 <maik> oh hah
Nov 18 21:57:20 <sugardave> it also prints the &, so place it wisely
Nov 18 21:57:37 <maik> that's what i'm looking for
Nov 18 21:57:44 <haeffb> I had a baked crab handroll that I though was very good. And a beer. Which was also very good.
Nov 18 21:57:47 <maik> got it
Nov 18 21:57:49 <haeffb> but not cheap.
Nov 18 21:58:02 <haeffb> mbarvian: glad I could help.
Nov 18 21:58:12 <sugardave> hahaha
Nov 18 21:58:12 <mbarvian> haeffb: thanks! lol
Nov 18 21:58:38 <haeffb> "This app does things & stuff."
Nov 18 21:59:00 <haeffb> $25 for a hand roll & beer.
Nov 18 21:59:41 <sugardave> holy crap
Nov 18 22:00:12 <alexfner> is anyone who's in here and never been in NYC before going to dev day tomorrow?
Nov 18 22:00:54 <sugardave> alexfner: I'm leaving for NYC tomorrow
Nov 18 22:01:03 <Loudergood> that almost describes me..I wont actually be there until saturday though
Nov 18 22:01:07 <alexfner> sugardave but have you never been there before?
Nov 18 22:01:20 <sugardave> technically, I've been there before, but only at the airport hotel and the airport
Nov 18 22:01:26 <sugardave> never out in the city
Nov 18 22:01:34 <alexfner> oh
Nov 18 22:01:37 <alexfner> very nice
Nov 18 22:03:28 <MetaView> I wonder who will send me it's picture tomorrow
Nov 18 22:03:35 <haeffb> I've never been before
Nov 18 22:03:45 <rwhitby> I've only transited througj JFK before
Nov 18 22:04:14 <haeffb> but my Pakistani cab driver told me all about the city, so I'm good.
Nov 18 22:04:38 <haeffb> apparently the East Side is good, cheap food, but SOHO is expensive.
Nov 18 22:04:38 <en0x> city is not bad
Nov 18 22:04:49 <en0x> but the metro is just a joke if u are there first time...
Nov 18 22:05:03 <en0x> thanks god i was traveling with buddy who used to live there
Nov 18 22:05:11 <en0x> if it wasn't be of him i would get lost in metro
Nov 18 22:05:11 <en0x> :S
Nov 18 22:05:14 <rwhitby> now, NYC cabs. sit in the back and tip $5?
Nov 18 22:05:28 <en0x> i dont tip
Nov 18 22:05:28 <en0x> :D
Nov 18 22:05:30 <sugardave> my hotel is close enough that a cab should be "reasonable"
Nov 18 22:05:32 <haeffb> I gave him $50 for a $41 fare.
Nov 18 22:05:44 <iWinRar> u guys in nyc then?
Nov 18 22:05:45 <sugardave> haeffb: how far was the $41?
Nov 18 22:05:55 <haeffb> from LGA to SOHO
Nov 18 22:06:04 <rwhitby> final descent - going dark soon
Nov 18 22:06:13 <haeffb> see ya, rwhitby
Nov 18 22:06:20 <sugardave> ah, I am using the super shuttle for airport-hotel-airport
Nov 18 22:07:09 <haeffb> he got me here in less than 30 min...
Nov 18 22:07:14 <sugardave> and Google maps says it's a 6 - 8 minute drive from the hotel to the conference
Nov 18 22:08:38 <haeffb> what does a super shuttle do?
Nov 18 22:09:05 <sugardave> it's just a van that goes from the airport to a bunch of hotels
Nov 18 22:09:07 <en0x> what a piece of shit
Nov 18 22:09:18 <sugardave> it works
Nov 18 22:09:21 <en0x> i loaded an html file on my /media/internal
Nov 18 22:09:28 <MetaView> if HP will deliver the next devices with there funny ad font?
Nov 18 22:09:30 <en0x> and i tried to open it with internalz and no go
Nov 18 22:09:30 <en0x> :S
Nov 18 22:09:41 <MetaView> no local files in browser
Nov 18 22:09:48 <MetaView> IIRC
Nov 18 22:09:54 <sugardave> haeffb: but you can even have it come pick you up at your house
Nov 18 22:09:55 <en0x> thats what it said MetaView
Nov 18 22:09:58 <MetaView> you need to write a small WebView-app
Nov 18 22:10:12 <MetaView> wonder it is n't implemented in internalz
Nov 18 22:10:49 <MetaView> app submission hangs?
Nov 18 22:11:17 * Tibfib is getting a pre2!
Nov 18 22:11:28 <sugardave> lies
Nov 18 22:11:43 <Tibfib> $250 is nothing!
Nov 18 22:12:06 <MetaView> 250$? where?
Nov 18 22:12:08 <sugardave> yeah, it's pretty good
Nov 18 22:12:35 <MetaView> PALM!
Nov 18 22:13:04 <sugardave> MetaView: you have to get the US one from HP @ $450 with a $200 coupon from developer relations
Nov 18 22:13:19 <MetaView> 200 coupon?
Nov 18 22:13:22 <MetaView> that's a lot
Nov 18 22:13:32 <MetaView> but the US one isn't GSM, right?
Nov 18 22:13:36 <sugardave> UMTS
Nov 18 22:13:48 <deliciousmorsel> hey hey.
Nov 18 22:13:51 <sugardave> rwhitby: said it will do 2G in europe
Nov 18 22:13:51 <deliciousmorsel> hey.
Nov 18 22:13:57 <MetaView> "Please wait until your application submission is complete. Do not click the submit button more than once."
Nov 18 22:14:03 <MetaView> UMTS? that's fine
Nov 18 22:14:10 <Tibfib> is the developer one usable on any us carrier?
Nov 18 22:14:12 <MetaView> that's 3G and 2G in GSM
Nov 18 22:14:53 <MetaView> @Palm: the app submission stucks
Nov 18 22:15:01 <deliciousmorsel> Tibfib: only if it uses a sim card
Nov 18 22:15:05 <MetaView> and I go for more wine and go to bed....
Nov 18 22:15:08 <MetaView> stupid
Nov 18 22:15:32 <Tibfib> deliciousmorsel: well yeah! so would data and phone work on at&t or t-mobile?
Nov 18 22:15:49 <deliciousmorsel> Tibfib: on both. however tmo won't be 3g speeds just edge
Nov 18 22:16:06 * Tibfib might get cheap plan
Nov 18 22:16:15 <Tibfib> deliciousmorsel: thanks!
Nov 18 22:16:28 <mbarvian> deliciousmorsel: hey good job on Twee by the way. very nice
Nov 18 22:16:36 <deliciousmorsel> thx
Nov 18 22:16:39 <MetaView> where is my inbox in the dev forum?
Nov 18 22:16:45 <deliciousmorsel> waiting for my p2 to get working on it
Nov 18 22:17:39 * Tibfib sent email
Nov 18 22:18:00 <deliciousmorsel> wonder how long it will take to get my "coupon" to order my p2
Nov 18 22:19:26 * Tibfib knows why chuqui isn't in irc :)
Nov 18 22:19:59 <Tibfib> I wonder if the pre2 and pre are similar enough to do the comm board swap
Nov 18 22:20:04 <Tibfib> rwhitby: ping!
Nov 18 22:20:21 <haeffb> he's landing
Nov 18 22:20:25 <alexfner> I wasn't invited the the developer conference in NYC, I had a whole talk planned titled "the quality of Jay Z's music"
Nov 18 22:20:36 <MetaView> going to NYC? Have seen this offer? https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=9837
Nov 18 22:20:40 <alexfner> it had lots of graphs
Nov 18 22:20:54 <MetaView> Now, I#m oof, good night
Nov 18 22:21:03 <Tibfib> haeffb: you leaving tomorrow?
Nov 18 22:21:08 <Tibfib> or tonight?
Nov 18 22:22:14 <haeffb> in NYC already
Nov 18 22:22:32 <sugardave> MetaView: night
Nov 18 22:22:33 <alexfner> we'll make a movie
Nov 18 22:22:37 <alexfner> based on the true stor
Nov 18 22:22:39 <Tibfib> haeffb: nice! Have fun!
Nov 18 22:22:43 <alexfner> "Developer Conference Crashers"
Nov 18 22:22:49 <haeffb> flew out of MCI today. Passed thru Topeka about 7:30 am, but didn't see you on the side of the road looking for a ride...
Nov 18 22:22:51 <alexfner> about people who like to crash developer conferences
Nov 18 22:23:54 <Tibfib> haeffb: If I had known that's when you were leaving ...
Nov 18 22:24:34 <alexfner> seriously though, you guys and gals at the dev conference should spend all day in here writing about it
Nov 18 22:24:41 <alexfner> so people like me can read about it
Nov 18 22:24:49 <haeffb> alexfner: of course.
Nov 18 22:25:03 <sugardave> alexfner: they're going to post video
Nov 18 22:25:18 <alexfner> they're demoing a lot of unannounced stuff
Nov 18 22:25:20 <haeffb> "oooh, look. they gave me another Pre 2!"
Nov 18 22:25:24 <alexfner> so I feel like that won't make it into video
Nov 18 22:25:26 <haeffb> stuff like that.
Nov 18 22:29:40 <alexfner> odd that physorg.com would cover Dell's Q3 revenue
Nov 18 22:29:48 <sugardave> I'm trying to see if there are enough electrical outlets at the place to decide to cart my laptop there
Nov 18 22:30:50 <haeffb> shit. I should go to MSG tonight for Coaches vs Cancer bball...
Nov 18 22:31:14 <haeffb> sugardave: the instructions say to bring a laptop
Nov 18 22:31:52 <sugardave> yeah, well I could bring this one...it is a horrid juice junkie, though...only get about 45-60 minutes off the wall
Nov 18 22:32:16 <Tibfib> Ohkay, javascript question. How could I split a string at every capital letter?
Nov 18 22:32:40 <sugardave> aww jeez
Nov 18 22:33:14 <Tibfib> err no. How could I insert something, a break, before every capital letter in a string?
Nov 18 22:33:42 <haeffb> regex?
Nov 18 22:34:05 <Tibfib> can you split with a regex?
Nov 18 22:34:24 <Tibfib> it doesn't look like it according to w3schools.com
Nov 18 22:34:39 <sugardave> some fancy replace
Nov 18 22:35:46 <sugardave> .replace(/[A-Z]/g,'\n' + thematchIdon'tknowhowtoget);
Nov 18 22:36:07 <Tibfib> yeah...
Nov 18 22:36:11 <sugardave> not sure if that's possible
Nov 18 22:36:25 <Tibfib> should I just loop through the entire string?
Nov 18 22:36:58 <Tibfib> would be fairly simple that way
Nov 18 22:37:12 <sugardave> what are you trying to do?
Nov 18 22:37:21 <Tibfib> Insert a break before every capital word.
Nov 18 22:37:22 <haeffb> sugardave: UT vs Illinois at MSG tonight
Nov 18 22:38:09 <sugardave> haeffb: I don't even know how our basketball team is
Nov 18 22:38:17 <haeffb> and Pitt vs Maryland
Nov 18 22:39:05 <haeffb> same four play tomorrow, winners & losers play
Nov 18 22:39:31 <InfiniteLoop> goodnight all, see you tomorrow at the conference
Nov 18 22:39:38 <sugardave> night
Nov 18 22:40:07 <mbarvian> is there anything wrong with this sql statement?
Nov 18 22:40:08 <mbarvian> "REPLACE INTO 'weights' (year, month, date, weight) VALUES (?, ?, ?, ?);"
Nov 18 22:41:23 <jamesderektate> no
Nov 18 22:41:23 <jamesderektate> http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/replace.html
Nov 18 22:41:25 <jamesderektate> looks fine
Nov 18 22:42:24 <jamesderektate> what's the best way to keep a touch screen clean?
Nov 18 22:42:26 <haeffb> mbarvian: the only problem is that each time you update a record...it actually deletes the old record & creates a new one.
Nov 18 22:42:32 <haeffb> don't touch it
Nov 18 22:42:47 <dohtem> how do I get palm inspector to pick up my 2nd scene?
Nov 18 22:42:48 <mbarvian> haeffb: how do I do not touch it?
Nov 18 22:42:57 <haeffb> that was to jamesderektate
Nov 18 22:43:07 <mbarvian> oh ok
Nov 18 22:43:13 <mbarvian> lol
Nov 18 22:43:43 <haeffb> mbarvian: I have switched back to using UPDATE and INSERT INTO rather than REPLACE INTO due to some performance issues.
Nov 18 22:43:50 <sugardave> dohtem: it should do it automagically...it's just inserted into the dom there.  if you don't see it, you can try to right-click and reload in the window
Nov 18 22:44:07 <mbarvian> haeffb: thanks for the tip
Nov 18 22:44:14 <haeffb> dohtem: assuming you have a single-stage app
Nov 18 22:44:28 <sugardave> ah
Nov 18 22:44:28 <sugardave> yeah
Nov 18 22:44:51 <KnoxBNYC> Hey....
Nov 18 22:44:58 <sugardave> haeffb: how much are bball tickets?
Nov 18 22:45:00 <KnoxBNYC> Rod, are you there?  Non-technical question for you if you are.
Nov 18 22:45:20 <sugardave> he's somewhere in the airport and/or traveling to the hotel
Nov 18 22:45:36 <KnoxBNYC> Yeah, I thought of that AFTER I typed the message that he must be on his way to NYC.
Nov 18 22:45:46 <haeffb> he should have just landed
Nov 18 22:45:48 <KnoxBNYC> I wish I was home right now in NYC. I'd buy him a beer.
Nov 18 22:45:58 <KnoxBNYC> But I'm visiting family in Louisiana.
Nov 18 22:46:06 <KnoxBNYC> Rod lives in Australia??
Nov 18 22:46:07 <sugardave> coon-asses?
Nov 18 22:46:15 <KnoxBNYC> that's an offensive term
Nov 18 22:46:17 <KnoxBNYC> FYI
Nov 18 22:46:27 <sugardave> not the la-ians I know
Nov 18 22:46:45 <sugardave> that's what they call themselves
Nov 18 22:46:55 <KnoxBNYC> I am from Cajun country (Lafayette, Louisiana). That is where I am right now. Visit at least 6 times a week.  coon-ass is considered an offensive term now.
Nov 18 22:46:56 <sugardave> but I will keep it in mind that it might be a regional thing
Nov 18 22:47:13 <sugardave> KnoxBNYC: well, damn
Nov 18 22:47:24 <sugardave> no offense meant :D
Nov 18 22:48:53 * haeffb hates captcha words that he can't read.
Nov 18 22:49:24 <haeffb> sugardave: two courtside seats available for $550 each.
Nov 18 22:49:29 <haeffb> interested?
Nov 18 22:49:33 <sugardave> uh, no
Nov 18 22:50:02 <haeffb> lol
Nov 18 22:50:38 <KnoxBNYC> Oh, no offense taken. I'm notCajun. Nor do I buy into the whole politically correct, b..s. either.  Just telling you what friends (and bumper stickers) here in Cajun country have told me.
Nov 18 22:50:58 <KnoxBNYC> It's like the "N" word. It is okay for them to call themselves that, but outsiders…. Not so much.
Nov 18 22:50:59 <haeffb> $37 or $65 for "regular joe" tix
Nov 18 22:51:03 <sugardave> cool, now I won't get lynched the next time I'm in LA
Nov 18 22:51:33 <KnoxBNYC> You might…. Just not for that ;)
Nov 18 22:51:37 <sugardave> heh, true
Nov 18 22:52:07 <KnoxBNYC> Though I did get in trouble for calling out a p.c. word used in the precentral.net forums about a year or so again.
Nov 18 22:52:12 <KnoxBNYC> but that one i do believe in.
Nov 18 22:52:18 <KnoxBNYC> and now, the news is ALL over it...
Nov 18 22:52:41 <haeffb> games at 7pm & 9pm tonight, 5pm & 7pm tomorrow
Nov 18 22:52:43 <KnoxBNYC> a kid in the forum said that something about a new webOS feature or something was "gay."
Nov 18 22:53:15 <KnoxBNYC> I do think, for the sake of gay kids who are killing themselves at an alarming rate, that word (in that context) should leave our lexicon.
Nov 18 22:53:41 <KnoxBNYC> But I got in a bit of trouble for saying so in the Precentral forum last year. Oops :)
Nov 18 22:56:19 <dohtem> thanks sugardave, haeffb.  looks like it works fine now.
Nov 18 22:56:53 <KnoxBNYC> ah… sugardave: you're in texas, eh?
Nov 18 22:56:55 <sugardave> KnoxBNYC: yeah, that's going to be a long time
Nov 18 22:57:09 <sugardave> KnoxBNYC: Austin, TX that's me
Nov 18 22:57:11 <KnoxBNYC> sugardave: what's going to be a long time?
Nov 18 22:57:41 <sugardave> KnoxBNYC: before 'gay' stops being used as a weak derogatory comment about something
Nov 18 22:57:52 <KnoxBNYC> sad, but true.
Nov 18 22:58:15 <KnoxBNYC> Having once been a gay teen myself, I know how things like that can horrible undermine your self-esteem and get internalized.
Nov 18 22:58:17 <sugardave> haeffb: $37 for 1 game, $65 for both, or two different kinds of seats?
Nov 18 22:58:19 <KnoxBNYC> sugardave: I have never been to Austin, but have been told over and over again, by different people whose opinions I trust, that is a LOVELY area!
Nov 18 22:58:41 <sugardave> KnoxBNYC: it's great, just make sure you have an inside job in the summertime
Nov 18 22:58:46 <sugardave> it's brutally hot here
Nov 18 22:59:11 <KnoxBNYC> Yeha… . having grown up in Louisiana, I know how that is. You walk outside, don't move a muscle, and break out in heavy sweat!
Nov 18 22:59:13 <haeffb> different seats
Nov 18 22:59:21 <haeffb> cost is for two games
Nov 18 23:09:32 <sugardave> haeffb: but the networking thing is at 5 and it has "delicious food"
Nov 18 23:10:50 <haeffb> true. life is full of difficult choices.
Nov 18 23:10:55 <haeffb> when do you arrive?
Nov 18 23:11:36 <sugardave> flight is supposed to get there at 2:40...ah, I probably don't get delicious food anyway because I won't be registered yet
Nov 18 23:13:19 <sugardave> I might be pushing it to get to MSG by 5, too...hmmm
Nov 18 23:14:24 <Tibfib> okay, http://webos.pastebin.com/H6hdCf5q why does this just loop infinitely? the logs shows "<br/> Ydfasdfasd", "<br/><br/> YdYdfasdfasd", "<br/><br/><br/> Ydfasdfasd"... etc
Nov 18 23:15:56 <sugardave> Tibfib: because you are modifying the string length while running in a loop that depends on the string length
Nov 18 23:16:07 <sugardave> I think slice modifies the string
Nov 18 23:16:24 <Tibfib> hmm, then what should I do?
Nov 18 23:17:08 <Tibfib> make a var of the string length, and increase it with i+=5?
Nov 18 23:17:11 <deliciousmorsel> var i =0 , len = string.length;
Nov 18 23:17:16 <deliciousmorsel> while i < len
Nov 18 23:17:25 <sugardave> ^^^^
Nov 18 23:17:49 <Tibfib> but that var won't change when I add <br/>
Nov 18 23:18:03 <sugardave> don't add 5
Nov 18 23:18:29 <Tibfib> just one?
Nov 18 23:18:45 <deliciousmorsel> just do a regex
Nov 18 23:18:47 <deliciousmorsel> repleace
Nov 18 23:19:03 <jamesderektate> who's gonna be at 82 mercer tomorrow?
Nov 18 23:19:09 <sugardave> we couldn't come up with how to actually replace
Nov 18 23:19:19 <Tibfib> I need to put a break before every capital letter.
Nov 18 23:19:21 <jamesderektate> i was gonna bring an ipad, but not sure it's appropriate
Nov 18 23:19:25 <sugardave> .replace(/[A-Z]/g, whatgoeshere)
Nov 18 23:19:32 <Tibfib> deliciousmorsel: I dunno how to doa regexp witht that.
Nov 18 23:19:48 <sugardave> .replace(/[A-Z]/g, '<br/>' + whatgoeshere)
Nov 18 23:20:06 <Tibfib> whatgoeshere is whatever the caps letter is. it isn't defined
Nov 18 23:20:11 <sugardave> right
Nov 18 23:20:13 <deliciousmorsel> k
Nov 18 23:20:14 <deliciousmorsel> one sec
Nov 18 23:20:16 <sugardave> how to get that?
Nov 18 23:20:24 <maik> shameless plug: http://www.partylite.biz/sites/CinnamonCandles
Nov 18 23:21:12 <sugardave> maik === Cinnamon Brown?
Nov 18 23:21:20 <haeffb> jamesderektate: I will be there. And point and laugh at your ipad.
Nov 18 23:21:32 <BMyers> shameless plug time? http://www.amazon.com/Guy-Rules-Unspoken-Previously-Unrecorded/dp/0740700308/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1290122061&sr=8-1
Nov 18 23:21:33 <jamesderektate> ill bring a note pad
Nov 18 23:21:39 <jamesderektate> im tryin to think
Nov 18 23:21:40 <jamesderektate> walk or take subway
Nov 18 23:21:45 <jamesderektate> might be a good 30 min walk.. hmm
Nov 18 23:21:56 <deliciousmorsel> x.replace(/([A-Z])/g , '<br/>$1');
Nov 18 23:21:57 <maik> sugardave: no
Nov 18 23:22:07 <deliciousmorsel> Tibfib: x.replace(/([A-Z])/g , '<br/>$1');
Nov 18 23:22:09 <sugardave> haeffb: it would be fun, but I think I'm going to skip bball
Nov 18 23:22:19 <sugardave> $1?  damn, that's too easy
Nov 18 23:22:28 <jamesderektate> what's the bball game?
Nov 18 23:22:39 <deliciousmorsel> well you also need to do () around what you want $1 to be
Nov 18 23:22:51 <deliciousmorsel> thats why its ([A-Z])
Nov 18 23:22:56 <sugardave> oh, missed that
Nov 18 23:22:56 <haeffb> tonight is Pitt-Maryland and UT-Illinois in semi-finals
Nov 18 23:22:57 <sugardave> I see
Nov 18 23:22:57 <deliciousmorsel> instead of just [A-Z]
Nov 18 23:23:09 <Tibfib> deliciousmorsel: impressive, testing now
Nov 18 23:23:17 <haeffb> tomorrow is consolation & champ game
Nov 18 23:23:27 <haeffb> Coaches vs Cancer at MSG
Nov 18 23:23:29 <deliciousmorsel> Tibfib: btw if the string is "HelloMyMan"
Nov 18 23:23:30 <deliciousmorsel> you'll get
Nov 18 23:23:44 <deliciousmorsel> "<br/>Hello<br/>My<br/>Man"
Nov 18 23:23:48 <deliciousmorsel> cause the first H will match
Nov 18 23:23:52 <deliciousmorsel> do you want that to happen?
Nov 18 23:23:57 <sugardave> that's what he said
Nov 18 23:24:11 <sugardave> insert a break before every capital letter
Nov 18 23:24:35 <dohtem> what happens when the string is McDonald's?
Nov 18 23:24:38 <deliciousmorsel> even if the first letter is caps?
Nov 18 23:24:51 <deliciousmorsel> <br/>Mc<br/>Donald's
Nov 18 23:24:57 <haeffb> Oooh. McRibs are back!
Nov 18 23:25:02 <deliciousmorsel> hahaha
Nov 18 23:25:05 <dohtem> haeffb:  yes!
Nov 18 23:25:12 <dohtem> I have had 3 so fat
Nov 18 23:25:15 <dohtem> far
Nov 18 23:25:20 <haeffb> freudian slip.
Nov 18 23:25:21 <dohtem> freudian slip :)
Nov 18 23:25:27 <dohtem> jinx!
Nov 18 23:25:36 <sugardave> heh
Nov 18 23:25:51 <BMyers> haeffb: did the wife end up going with you to nyc?
Nov 18 23:25:54 <sugardave> if a piece of sushi and a beer is $25, I might be eating a lot of McRibs
Nov 18 23:25:58 <haeffb> nope
Nov 18 23:26:19 <haeffb> but there's only one bed in the room.
Nov 18 23:26:20 <BMyers> batch'n it.. \o/
Nov 18 23:26:33 <dohtem> sugardave: sweet lord, where is this?
Nov 18 23:26:42 <BMyers> i dont kick much in my sleep
Nov 18 23:26:46 <sugardave> dohtem: wherever haeffb ate today
Nov 18 23:26:49 <Tibfib> deliciousmorsel: I think it'll be okay
Nov 18 23:26:55 <Tibfib> each capital letter
Nov 18 23:26:58 <haeffb> at the hotel restaurant
Nov 18 23:26:59 <dohtem> sugardave: whip out the yelp app and filter by price range.
Nov 18 23:27:01 <Tibfib> I don't expect mcDonalds
Nov 18 23:27:05 <Tibfib> McDonalds*
Nov 18 23:27:11 <Tibfib> deliciousmorsel: Thanks a ton!
Nov 18 23:27:13 <dohtem> <br/>Mc<br/>Donald's*
Nov 18 23:27:56 <dohtem> is there a twitter hashtag for dev day?
Nov 18 23:28:56 <Tibfib> bah humbug. Looks like the text I'm using isn't consistent enough to use caps letters.
Nov 18 23:29:33 <Tibfib> The ones I'd be using before looked like it, but I don't think it will overall
Nov 18 23:38:00 <haeffb> dohtem: I've been using #webOSdev
Nov 18 23:38:12 <haeffb> don't know if there's anything else.
Nov 18 23:38:55 <BMyers> thats whats adora has been using
Nov 18 23:42:44 <dohtem> oily!
Nov 18 23:42:59 * halfhalo smacks oil
Nov 18 23:43:34 * oil is in hotel room!
Nov 18 23:43:34 <doc_lee> Somebody want to help me with some jquery stuff?
Nov 18 23:43:57 * halfhalo burns hotel
Nov 18 23:44:03 <dohtem> doc_lee: ask in #jquery you might have better luck there
Nov 18 23:44:15 <doc_lee> dohtem: No such luck
Nov 18 23:44:39 <haeffb> oil survived going thru a tunnel with some dude he met on the internet
Nov 18 23:44:46 <doc_lee> They're all talking about complex stuff...I'm looking for easy stuff
Nov 18 23:44:54 <haeffb> but I bet he has stories to tell at dev day
Nov 18 23:45:03 <dohtem> who did he travel with?
Nov 18 23:45:09 * halfhalo doesn't see how webos has to do with jquery...
Nov 18 23:45:19 <doc_lee> halfhalo: jquery mobile
Nov 18 23:45:29 * oil is going to walk down to 4points
Nov 18 23:45:41 <alexfner> haeffb: is "going through a tunnel" a euphemism ?
Nov 18 23:45:46 <doc_lee> Palm/HP are part of the group that's putting it together.
Nov 18 23:45:55 <doc_lee> And, well, we're trying to port ye ole app over to it right now
Nov 18 23:46:03 <dohtem> heh alexfner
Nov 18 23:46:21 <alexfner> I don't have a problem helping people who ask for surveys and stuff in the library
Nov 18 23:46:29 <alexfner> but only when I don't have headphones on
Nov 18 23:46:43 <alexfner> come on headphones mean, "don't bother me I'm important"
Nov 18 23:47:00 <haeffb> oil - haeffb is wearing a Mizzou shirt. should be easy to spot
Nov 18 23:47:33 <doc_lee> Damn...headphones.  That reminds me.  Headphone bug in the app
Nov 18 23:48:53 <mbarvian> is it possible to create an sql table that automatically sorts the entries based on their timestamps?
Nov 18 23:49:16 <mbarvian> actually, nvm
Nov 18 23:49:17 <mbarvian> lol
Nov 18 23:49:20 <alexfner> :D
Nov 18 23:50:43 <mbarvian> actually, is there a way to create a custom timestamp if you have the year and such?
Nov 18 23:51:18 * oil swaps battery in his pre AGAIN
Nov 18 23:51:37 <mbarvian> like, how would I create a timestamp called my_timestamp if I had the year = 2010, the month = 10, the date = 18 ?
Nov 18 23:52:16 <Tibfib> mbarvian: you could use milliseconds and sort by that
Nov 18 23:52:23 <mbarvian> eek
Nov 18 23:52:28 <mbarvian> that sounds ugly
Nov 18 23:52:36 <mbarvian> and not exactly what I want
Nov 18 23:52:54 <mbarvian> nvm my question :) I'll figure out a different way to do this
Nov 18 23:52:57 <Tibfib> http://w3schools.com/jsref/jsref_gettime.asp
Nov 18 23:53:06 <Tibfib> nvm my link :P
Nov 18 23:54:14 <oil> alright haeffb, im heading over there
Nov 18 23:54:24 <oil> wearing a brown hooded sweatshirt
Nov 18 23:54:29 <mbarvian> actually, that might work
Nov 18 23:54:52 <Tibfib> mbarvian: from there you can parse out month/day/year date
Nov 18 23:55:02 <mbarvian> Tibfib: yeah. I think I'll go with that
Nov 18 23:55:18 <mbarvian> Tibfib: thanks for the suggestion! now I have one question:
Nov 18 23:55:37 <mbarvian> if I have a table called 'weights' with two columns: milliseconds and weight
Nov 18 23:55:50 <mbarvian> how can I sort all the rows by their milliseconds column automatically?
Nov 18 23:55:55 <mbarvian> then this would be really cool :)
Nov 18 23:56:16 <haeffb> mbarvian: in your SQL query, use ORDER BY my_timestamp
Nov 18 23:56:18 <Tibfib> Select * from table order by milliseconds
Nov 18 23:56:24 * Tibfib lost
Nov 18 23:56:39 <haeffb> yeah, but yours was correct... :)
Nov 18 23:56:43 <mbarvian> haeffb: would I put this where I create it?
Nov 18 23:56:58 <haeffb> no, in your query to retrieve results
Nov 18 23:57:54 * haeffb going downstairs to meet "oil" for the first time...
Nov 18 23:58:01 <Tibfib> mbarvian: when you get it. SELECT * FROM table ORDER BY milliseconds
Nov 18 23:58:07 <Tibfib> haeffb: good luck
Nov 18 23:58:16 <dohtem> can I put a link (regular <a href=...) in a scene just like in html documents?
Nov 18 23:58:26 <Tibfib> yes
Nov 18 23:58:30 <mbarvian> oh, so could I do:
Nov 18 23:58:30 <mbarvian> SELECT `date`, `weight` FROM weights WHERE year=? AND month=? ORDER BY date
Nov 18 23:58:31 <mbarvian> ?
Nov 18 23:58:38 <Tibfib> yep
Nov 18 23:58:46 <mbarvian> that'd be PERFECT!!!
Nov 18 23:58:55 <haeffb> ORDER BY date ASC
Nov 18 23:58:57 <haeffb> or DESC
Nov 18 23:59:22 <mbarvian> haeffb: I get confused on that.  what If I want the latest date last?
Nov 18 23:59:23 <mbarvian> lol
Nov 18 23:59:32 <Tibfib> desc
Nov 18 23:59:37 <mbarvian> awesome! let me try
Nov 19 00:01:31 <BMyers> mbarvian: decided to go will the timestamp column eh?
Nov 19 00:01:43 <mbarvian> BMyers: haha maybe not if this works
Nov 19 00:02:04 <Tibfib> that's how I sort stuff by time in my app..
Nov 19 00:02:15 <BMyers> me too
Nov 19 00:10:19 * doc_lee kicks jquery
Nov 19 00:26:26 <hotdp_pre> hi
Nov 19 00:53:41 <balrog-k1n> is there an undo in the Memo app?
Nov 19 00:55:49 <doc_lee> No...you MUST DO WHAT IS LISTED IN THE MEMO!
Nov 19 00:56:11 <doc_lee> You don't want to know what happens if you don't.  So, you know...don't do that.
Nov 19 01:00:08 <balrog-k1n> dang.. need to be careful what i type next time
Nov 19 01:00:50 * balrog-k1n actually just deleted about 5 pages of text
Nov 19 01:00:59 <balrog-k1n> and btw. is there any way to save to a text file?
Nov 19 01:01:28 <doc_lee> Don't believe so
Nov 19 01:02:38 <balrog-k1n> i guess i need to learn how to write to files in javascript
Nov 19 01:05:37 <Tibfib> waltHP! http://developer.palm.com/distribution/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=8099
Nov 19 01:08:11 * balrog-k1n to extracts the battery to reboot and see if the change to the memo had hit the storage actually
Nov 19 01:08:43 <mbarvian> can anyone elaborate how REPLACE INTO works in SQL?
Nov 19 01:09:18 <balrog-k1n> i'd try.. maybe.. #sql :)
Nov 19 01:09:23 <mbarvian> lol
Nov 19 01:09:28 <mbarvian> i'm sure someone here knows
Nov 19 01:10:13 <wastrel> i hope a lot of people buy a pre 2 when verizon releases them
Nov 19 01:10:21 <Tibfib> dang I want a pre2! http://www.webosroundup.com/2010/11/webos-2-0-the-small-changes-youll-love-part-two/
Nov 19 01:10:33 <wastrel> Tibfib: megadittos
Nov 19 01:10:45 <Tibfib> I wonder if you can do a comm swap with it...
Nov 19 01:11:41 <wastrel> what's that
Nov 19 01:11:46 <Tibfib> get it to run on sprint
Nov 19 01:12:00 <Tibfib> by giving the pre2 the pre minus' "sprint" bits
Nov 19 01:14:45 <dohtem> Tibfib: hit 'Go' next to the HP members group by his name.  There are a ton of them
Nov 19 01:14:50 <doc_lee> You'd need an MEID swap
Nov 19 01:15:13 <balrog-k1n> ah, also while i'm asking questions here, is there any way to emulate arrow keys, and home/end keys? i'm missing them a lot because moving the text cursor with taps is really difficult to use
Nov 19 01:17:17 <Tibfib> dohtem: oh, I probably should have checked
Nov 19 01:17:56 <dohtem> the most post count any of them have is 7 :)
Nov 19 01:18:21 <Tibfib> dang 200!
Nov 19 01:18:37 <dohtem> I know... I had no idea
Nov 19 01:21:39 <rolsworth> Jon said it will be up to the carriers if they want to update to 2.0. I wonder why they jumped the gun and said all US phones will get the update
Nov 19 01:21:58 <rolsworth> Why would sprint update an EOL phone
Nov 19 01:26:04 <funkatron> Tibfib, you need to be fixing spaz bugs while I find a job
Nov 19 01:26:24 <Tibfib> whoa whoa
Nov 19 01:26:29 * Tibfib remembers assigned bug
Nov 19 01:27:17 <dohtem> funkatron - www.palm.com/us/company/careers.html
Nov 19 01:27:21 <dohtem> :)
Nov 19 01:29:30 <funkatron> yeah, they'd probably want me to move
Nov 19 01:29:46 <doc_lee> Moving isn't bad.  I just did it
Nov 19 01:29:53 <doc_lee> Which is why I've been gone for a few months
Nov 19 01:29:55 <funkatron> yeah I can't do that
Nov 19 01:30:08 <funkatron> so check this out http://getspaz.com/maps/
Nov 19 01:31:13 <dohtem> desktop or mobile or both?
Nov 19 01:31:17 <funkatron> just mobile
Nov 19 01:31:25 <dohtem> neat
Nov 19 01:31:27 <funkatron> it's just geocoded IPs. I'm not tracking people 8D
Nov 19 01:31:32 <doc_lee> Hmmm...I should do something like that for our app
Nov 19 01:32:09 <Tibfib> funkatron: tweets from spaz?
Nov 19 01:32:14 <Tibfib> or users?
Nov 19 01:32:17 <funkatron> users
Nov 19 01:32:27 <BMyers> doc?
Nov 19 01:32:29 <funkatron> Spaz makes a call to my http server to look for news
Nov 19 01:32:30 <doc_lee> Wait...Spaz uses jquery right?
Nov 19 01:32:31 <Tibfib> nice!
Nov 19 01:32:39 <funkatron> yes, Spaz does use jQuery
Nov 19 01:32:50 <doc_lee> You're the one I'm looking for then...
Nov 19 01:33:08 <funkatron> I just took the IPs from the apache log and did some API work to convert them to lat/lon
Nov 19 01:33:15 <doc_lee> funkatron: I got a jquery newbieish question.
Nov 19 01:33:15 <funkatron> doc_lee: mmmmmmmmmmmkey
Nov 19 01:33:17 <funkatron> sure
Nov 19 01:33:19 <Tibfib> looks like I'm the only one in my town who uses spa
Nov 19 01:33:20 <Tibfib> z
Nov 19 01:33:42 <doc_lee> http://jsfiddle.net/cWvYj/  Got this here code.  Trying to put the "text" attribute from xml into a li list under ul
Nov 19 01:33:44 <Tibfib> dang it's pretty close to my house
Nov 19 01:34:08 <doc_lee> What the hell am I doing incorrectly?
Nov 19 01:35:35 <funkatron> first mistake: using XML
Nov 19 01:35:52 <doc_lee> eh?
Nov 19 01:36:00 <doc_lee> Don't really have a choice there
Nov 19 01:36:04 <funkatron> can you get it as something other than XML?
Nov 19 01:36:05 <funkatron> okay
Nov 19 01:36:10 <funkatron> it's just a pain in the ass
Nov 19 01:36:13 <doc_lee> It's actually opml
Nov 19 01:36:29 <funkatron> okay, first it looks ike youre loading Mootools here, not jQuery
Nov 19 01:36:51 <doc_lee> It's jquery mobile
Nov 19 01:37:03 <funkatron> ah
Nov 19 01:37:04 <doc_lee> Whatever is on the side there...ignore it
Nov 19 01:37:14 <doc_lee> This is just a nice pastebin site
Nov 19 01:37:24 <doc_lee> html and javascript in one shot
Nov 19 01:37:39 <funkatron> I can't see those at all… all the other code to load mobile and such
Nov 19 01:37:44 <funkatron> so I can't run this
Nov 19 01:38:11 <funkatron> but at first blush:
Nov 19 01:38:50 <funkatron> since the $.ajax call's dataType is "xml" I believe you're gonna get back an XML DOM object in the param for the success callback
Nov 19 01:39:04 <funkatron> so I don't think you need to convert it
Nov 19 01:39:27 <funkatron> http://api.jquery.com/jQuery.ajax/
Nov 19 01:39:40 <funkatron> yeah: "xml": Returns a XML document that can be processed via jQuery.
Nov 19 01:39:56 <doc_lee> Ok.  opml doesn't have an xml header
Nov 19 01:39:59 <funkatron> the args for success are like this: success(data, textStatus, XMLHttpRequest)
Nov 19 01:40:06 <doc_lee> Do you think it might be not returning on success?
Nov 19 01:40:26 <funkatron> I could really debug it if you give me the real URL 8D
Nov 19 01:40:35 <Tibfib> funkatron: is the spaz2.0 source on git?
Nov 19 01:40:46 <funkatron> Tibfib: yep!
Nov 19 01:40:51 <doc_lee> funkatron: Coming in a private message, if you don't mind.
Nov 19 01:40:52 <Tibfib> where?
Nov 19 01:41:03 <funkatron> doc_lee: np
Nov 19 01:41:20 <funkatron> Tibfib: github.com/funkatron/spaz-webos/master
Nov 19 01:41:53 <Tibfib> appinfo says 1.4.0?
Nov 19 01:41:57 <funkatron> it does?
Nov 19 01:41:58 <funkatron> hmm
Nov 19 01:42:01 <funkatron> I musta forgot
Nov 19 01:42:03 <funkatron> lemme fix
Nov 19 01:42:14 <funkatron> yeah you're right
Nov 19 01:42:21 <funkatron> lemme help doc_lee and I'll push it
Nov 19 01:42:29 * Tibfib is glad he's not going crazy :)
Nov 19 01:42:44 <doc_lee> Tibfib: The two are not mutually exclusive.  ;-)
Nov 19 01:43:06 <Tibfib> bah, let me have my small victory :P
Nov 19 01:43:39 <doc_lee> funkatron: You're getting an ad-free version of RadioTime/TuneIn for this help...
Nov 19 01:43:48 <funkatron> I love that app!
Nov 19 01:44:12 <Tibfib> doc_lee: I just realized it was you! Long time no see! What did your username use to be?
Nov 19 01:44:24 <doc_lee> reality9112? or something along those lines
Nov 19 01:44:40 <Tibfib> yeah, threw me off
Nov 19 01:44:59 <doc_lee> Yeah, my old computer finally died a horrible death
Nov 19 01:45:04 <doc_lee> I was lucky to get everything off of it
Nov 19 01:49:10 <funkatron> doc_lee: http://www.friendpaste.com/2wY4TIoMF1DhyyWmd4lTmP
Nov 19 01:49:14 <funkatron> that works
Nov 19 01:49:37 <funkatron> main thing: like I thought, it was automatically making it an xmlDoc for you
Nov 19 01:49:44 <doc_lee> ah
Nov 19 01:49:52 <doc_lee> I always had to parse it with prototype.
Nov 19 01:49:56 <funkatron> right
Nov 19 01:50:00 <funkatron> jQuery does that for you
Nov 19 01:50:10 <doc_lee> Let me plug that into this here to check to see if it works on my end in the Nokia emulator
Nov 19 01:50:13 <funkatron> also, jQuery's success callback doesn't get the xhr as the first param
Nov 19 01:50:17 <funkatron> you bet
Nov 19 01:51:11 <funkatron> it gets back the response string or some auto-converted object as the first arg
Nov 19 01:51:20 <funkatron> the third arg is the xhr object
Nov 19 01:51:52 <dohtem> adios amigos.
Nov 19 01:51:56 <funkatron> seeta mano
Nov 19 01:52:05 <dohtem> umm...
Nov 19 01:52:09 <dohtem> feliz navidad
Nov 19 01:52:11 <funkatron> seeya even
Nov 19 01:53:02 <funkatron> tibfib: pushed
Nov 19 01:53:22 <Tibfib> funkatron: k, work on it in a few
Nov 19 01:53:32 <funkatron> no rush. thanks!!!
Nov 19 01:55:31 <doc_lee> It's getting there.
Nov 19 01:55:34 <doc_lee> Thanks a lot.
Nov 19 01:55:46 <doc_lee> Let me build up an ad free version
Nov 19 02:01:03 <funkatron> radio time rules dude
Nov 19 02:01:12 <doc_lee> Thank you
Nov 19 02:01:12 <funkatron> I use it to listen to my sports station
Nov 19 02:01:25 <funkatron> it's one of the best-looking apps I've used on webos
Nov 19 02:01:37 <doc_lee> Took awhile to get it to that state
Nov 19 02:01:42 <doc_lee> It's changed a lot since version 1.0.0
Nov 19 02:01:58 <funkatron> yeah I remember that it had
Nov 19 02:02:03 <funkatron> different name even?
Nov 19 02:02:48 <doc_lee> This jquery code is for the Nokia version of the app
Nov 19 02:02:59 <doc_lee> And then I have to finish up the Windows Phone 7 version and that's it
Nov 19 02:03:01 <funkatron> I was telling Lisa B at dinner when I was in CA how awesome it is
Nov 19 02:03:03 <funkatron> nice
Nov 19 02:03:13 <funkatron> now are you building native for everything?
Nov 19 02:03:31 <doc_lee> iPhone, Android, and Blackberry are native
Nov 19 02:03:42 <doc_lee> I guess WebOS is "native" as well
Nov 19 02:03:47 <doc_lee> Nokia will be a WRT webapp
Nov 19 02:03:50 <funkatron> right
Nov 19 02:03:54 <doc_lee> And WP7 is native
Nov 19 02:03:59 <funkatron> the use PhoneGap for Nokia?
Nov 19 02:04:20 <doc_lee> No.  I'll use Nokia WRT calls
Nov 19 02:04:23 <funkatron> gotcha
Nov 19 02:04:31 <doc_lee> PhoneGap is ok for small audio apps...like a simple sound or something
Nov 19 02:04:34 <funkatron> somebody uses phonegap for their native stuff. I can't recall
Nov 19 02:04:35 <funkatron> right
Nov 19 02:04:46 <doc_lee> But, there aren't any handlers for it for audio events
Nov 19 02:04:48 <funkatron> well, not "native"
Nov 19 02:04:49 <funkatron> right
Nov 19 02:07:05 <doc_lee> I'm in it for the money though  ;-)
Nov 19 02:07:11 <funkatron> haha
Nov 19 02:07:12 <funkatron> right
Nov 19 02:07:19 <funkatron> hey if you enjoy it awesome
Nov 19 02:07:33 <doc_lee> It gets hectic sometimes
Nov 19 02:07:38 <funkatron> I'm sure
Nov 19 02:07:41 <funkatron> 4 platforms
Nov 19 02:07:43 <funkatron> 5?
Nov 19 02:07:55 <doc_lee> 6
Nov 19 02:08:20 <doc_lee> And a day job
Nov 19 02:09:39 <wastrel> :[
Nov 19 02:12:55 <funkatron> good lord
Nov 19 02:22:49 <wastrel> hi
Nov 19 02:22:50 <wastrel> http://www.palm.com/us/products/software/webos/gettingstarted/index.html
Nov 19 02:22:57 <wastrel> are there supposed to be videos on this page?
Nov 19 02:23:25 <bpadalino> click the links
Nov 19 02:24:23 <funkatron> agreed, it's confusing
Nov 19 02:24:31 <wastrel> oic
Nov 19 02:32:49 <alexfner> anyone know if canvas supports cmyk color model?
Nov 19 02:33:46 <alexfner> and I mean that the color mixing of the 2d canvas is not very clear
Nov 19 02:33:54 <alexfner> so I am trying to set it to a set model
Nov 19 02:34:02 <alexfner> I thought it was rgb, but it's not so straightforward
Nov 19 02:34:23 <alexfner> it accepts rgb colors, but the combinations don't appear to be what I would expect from rgb
Nov 19 02:51:26 <mbarvian> i'm on a roll
Nov 19 02:51:48 <mbarvian> just found out how to use the CONSTRAINT with SQL. god SQL is a powerful thing
Nov 19 02:54:08 <alexfner> quit sql, go couch db
Nov 19 02:54:14 <mbarvian> haha
Nov 19 02:54:17 <mbarvian> what's that?
Nov 19 02:54:19 <alexfner> it's the future, the past, and the present
Nov 19 02:54:32 <alexfner> it's a database of json files, which you call restfully
Nov 19 02:54:44 * dohtem throws MongoDB in there
Nov 19 02:54:56 <mbarvian> nice
Nov 19 02:55:12 <mbarvian> but I think I'll stick to SQL. seems to do the job perfectly for what I need
Nov 19 02:55:59 <alexfner> in client side javascript applications, you usually deal with client side data in json, essentially couchdb is way to store and access that json data.
Nov 19 02:56:08 <mbarvian> ah
Nov 19 02:56:10 <alexfner> is pretty neat
Nov 19 02:56:14 <alexfner> maybe not what you need
Nov 19 02:56:19 <alexfner> but definitely something to check out
Nov 19 02:56:19 <mbarvian> alexfner: what do you use?
Nov 19 02:56:54 <alexfner> well in the thing I'm working on now, although I'm just writing the client side of it now, I'm thinking about using couchdb
Nov 19 02:57:13 <mbarvian> alexfner: cool. it looks pretty cool
Nov 19 02:57:21 <mbarvian> (i just google'ed it)
Nov 19 02:57:50 <alexfner> yeah
Nov 19 02:59:44 <wastrel> pre2 pre2 pre2
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