**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Nov 23 02:59:57 2010
Nov 23 03:03:38 <SineOt> oh Palm, I <3 you
Nov 23 03:04:17 <SineOt> I've somehow managed to slip through the cracks 3 times now :p
Nov 23 03:13:28 <kesne> How so?
Nov 23 03:14:43 <SineOt> never got replies to my PDC request for 2.0 access, or free device (that got sorted), then on the 1st got an email saying my dev device would ship the first week of november, and it only got shipped today after I finally emailed a "what's up?" ;p
Nov 23 03:14:53 <SineOt> ... and they lost a green touchstone a few months ago!
Nov 23 03:16:28 <SineOt> that was fun. Took them like a week to track it down. Turns out it had never shipped after the guy told me a replacement would ;P
Nov 23 03:19:16 <kesne> heh
Nov 23 03:19:20 <kesne> Good ol' palm
Nov 23 03:19:44 <SineOt> after bringing it up though, they've always gone above and beyond to get it fixed though, hence the <3
Nov 23 03:20:00 <SineOt> the dev device is getting shipped second day air so it should get here wednesday
Nov 23 03:21:33 <kesne> nice nice
Nov 23 03:21:43 <kesne> Someone offered me their Palm Pre 2 today
Nov 23 03:21:54 <kesne> I kind of want it, but I'd feel bad.
Nov 23 03:22:17 <SineOt> if they're offering it, they obviously aren't too attached to it, though...
Nov 23 03:22:27 <kesne> Well
Nov 23 03:23:02 <kesne> They are, it's just that they're a partner, want to help me out
Nov 23 03:25:25 * Tibfib desperately needs a pre2
Nov 23 03:25:57 * SineOt desperately wants a Broadway. :9
Nov 23 03:26:09 * Tibfib is waiting for a coupon...
Nov 23 03:27:31 <kesne> Same here
Nov 23 03:28:51 <Tibfib> I was hoping to have the pre2 by thanksgiving break dangit
Nov 23 03:29:23 <SineOt> people have tried shoving Flash into 1.4.5, but has anyone tried shoving WebKit5 in? D:
Nov 23 03:29:51 <kesne> Tibfib: Talk to Chuq!
Nov 23 03:30:14 * Tibfib hasn't been online when chuqui has
Nov 23 03:30:22 <kesne> email him
Nov 23 03:30:56 <Tibfib> I got a "your request is being processed"
Nov 23 03:31:28 <Tibfib> actually I got "Your request for a discount coupon code has been received and you will hear from us shortly."
Nov 23 03:31:41 <kesne> Same here
Nov 23 03:31:49 <kesne> I think they want to make sure we are devs
Nov 23 03:31:55 <kesne> They really should give up on email
Nov 23 03:32:04 <kesne> Managing everything from email is insane
Nov 23 03:32:13 <SineOt> well, yeah, yeah it is.
Nov 23 03:32:27 <SineOt> It's easy to let someone slip through the cracks :p
Nov 23 03:35:41 <kesne> hehe
Nov 23 03:35:47 <kesne> Damnit chemistry
Nov 23 03:35:52 <kesne> I don't want to deal with you now
Nov 23 03:36:28 <haeffb> chemistry doesn't want to deal with you, either, but it also doesn't have a choice.
Nov 23 03:36:36 <kesne> Hehe
Nov 23 03:36:53 <kesne> I'd much rather be working on Villo
Nov 23 03:44:44 <Tibfib> how could I get a webkit-border-radius on a div with a webkit-border-image?
Nov 23 03:44:59 <summatusmentis> kesne: what is Villo?
Nov 23 03:46:56 <sugardave> Tibfib: what?
Nov 23 03:47:23 <Tibfib> I have a webkit-border-image, and I want to set a border-radius (a rounded corner) without editing the image itself
Nov 23 03:47:48 <sugardave> the image is rounded on the edges already?
Nov 23 03:47:51 <Tibfib> no
Nov 23 03:47:57 <sugardave> not sure you can do that
Nov 23 03:48:14 <sugardave> you can do it without an image and it will draw curved edges
Nov 23 03:48:49 <kesne> I don't think you cam
Nov 23 03:48:57 <kesne> summatusmentis: Villo is online services and stuff
Nov 23 03:52:27 <rwhitby> morning
Nov 23 03:52:56 <whoolio> morning
Nov 23 03:53:56 <halfhalo> Welcome back rwhitby
Nov 23 03:55:52 <Tibfib> haeffb: ping
Nov 23 03:59:45 <kesne> Morning rwhitby!
Nov 23 04:09:24 <haeffb> hey rwhitby!
Nov 23 04:09:27 <haeffb> Tibfib: ?
Nov 23 04:09:43 <Tibfib> haeffb: nvm for nowwwww
Nov 23 04:33:39 <donc> Anyone know where I can find some sample code for writing services in node.js?
Nov 23 04:36:03 <sugardave> hey rwhitby, it was good to meet you :D
Nov 23 04:37:10 <sugardave> donc: if something like that existed, and I can't say for sure, it would probably be in the early access forum
Nov 23 04:40:24 <destinal> donc: you could look at palm's services in the webos 2.0 doctor..  and there's plenty of node.js code not related to palm out there
Nov 23 04:40:55 <donc> sugardave: there might be something there but the search sucks/is-broken
Nov 23 04:42:07 <donc> destinal I'll check that code out.  I think I just need to know about the meta-data to create the service
Nov 23 04:42:36 <donc> the devday presentation has a lot of info, but it's a bit long to rewatch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gB1TNwSRI6U&feature=channel
Nov 23 04:43:38 * phil_bw wanders by
Nov 23 04:44:01 <SineOt> hey phil_bw
Nov 23 04:44:11 <phil_bw> evenin' SineOt
Nov 23 04:47:25 <destinal> donc: yeah I'm checking out palm's node.js services now in /usr/palm/services in the rootfs in  doctor.    should be lots of good examples there, just choose a simple-sounding service.
Nov 23 04:49:36 <destinal> at least, they're services and written in javascript so I assume that's what they are.
Nov 23 04:50:05 <destinal> your format to bundle them in an app would look a bit different though.. hmm..
Nov 23 04:50:19 <donc> destinal: I see that code
Nov 23 04:50:36 <donc> I think I better watch the video since I didn't take good enough notes on Saturday
Nov 23 04:51:04 <SineOt> oh, and: the Kin phones are in fact returning to Verizon after all... Zombie phones :9
Nov 23 04:56:37 <destinal> donc: doesn't look like any of the default palm apps come with services in /usr/applications, which would make sense.  well, quickoffice does but it's a native binary
Nov 23 04:57:57 <sugardave> oh right
Nov 23 04:57:59 <sugardave> conference video
Nov 23 04:58:09 <sugardave> I think there might be an example of a simple service to copy from there
Nov 23 04:58:19 <sugardave> and it has the packaging details
Nov 23 04:58:53 <sugardave> basically, 3 dirs: appdir, servicedir, packagedir...and you run palm-package on all of them, then install the resulting ipk
Nov 23 05:12:53 <rwhitby> yeah, Kevin's video has details of simple service structure and code
Nov 23 06:19:23 <rwhitby> So I get back to Adelaide, and it's 97degF
Nov 23 06:20:32 <destinal> rwhitby:  from what temp in NYC?
Nov 23 06:24:48 <rwhitby> destinal: 4c
Nov 23 06:25:13 <halfhalo> heh... its cold in socal right now... I don't like it
Nov 23 06:59:15 <SineOt> oh UPS, you card~ I love that they list all the tracking info in "Local Time" but don't actually list -where- that local time is
Nov 23 07:00:48 <halfhalo> they make it up as they go!
Nov 23 07:01:44 <SineOt> but hey, at least it's on target to get here wednesday, so before the thanksgiving break!
Nov 23 08:16:45 <hotdp> Good morgning
Nov 23 08:49:06 <whoolio> good mornign hotdp
Nov 23 09:35:18 <hotdp> whoolio_ where are you from ?
Nov 23 09:38:54 <whoolio> im from nj
Nov 23 09:39:01 <whoolio> and ny
Nov 23 10:46:44 <rwhitby> wIRE on 2.0 with stacks is awesome for watching multiple channels ....
Nov 23 10:47:12 <rwhitby> s/wIRE/wIRC/
Nov 23 10:57:22 <hotdp> :)
Nov 23 10:58:28 <Palmtini> HOTDP!!!!
Nov 23 10:58:38 <hotdp> hey Palmtini :D
Nov 23 10:58:53 <Palmtini> how did your franken-pre work out?
Nov 23 11:28:03 <mbarvian> is there a way to listen to a change in a variable?
Nov 23 11:46:45 <hotdp> like an event on a innerhtml of a div?
Nov 23 11:59:37 <mbarvian> hotdp: no, an actual variable :)
Nov 23 12:08:50 <hotdp> i see
Nov 23 12:09:02 <hotdp> not what i know of :)
Nov 23 12:09:20 <Palmtini> hotdp: pre2 comm swap status ?
Nov 23 12:09:40 <hotdp> Palmtini done :)
Nov 23 12:09:53 <Palmtini> works?
Nov 23 12:10:00 <hotdp> But i have to take it apart again.. and put another board in
Nov 23 12:10:24 <hotdp> it works 100% but does not have paid apps, so have to change again :)
Nov 23 12:10:37 <Palmtini> no catalog access?
Nov 23 12:10:47 <hotdp> No added a com board that did not have access
Nov 23 12:10:58 <hotdp> did not know it was registered at the comm board
Nov 23 12:11:12 <hotdp> or it has access but not to paid apps :)
Nov 23 12:11:13 <Palmtini> yeah the unique id huh
Nov 23 12:11:33 <hotdp> But i really love the Pre 2
Nov 23 12:11:45 <hotdp> think it is a awsome device and glad i changed the comm board )
Nov 23 12:12:07 <Palmtini> what do you like about it?
Nov 23 12:12:43 <hotdp> everything :)
Nov 23 12:12:53 <hotdp> its just so fast and solid to hold
Nov 23 12:13:32 <Palmtini> should have been what they released as the pre minus huh?
Nov 23 12:14:50 <hotdp> yer
Nov 23 12:15:16 <hotdp> but i like it alot
Nov 23 12:15:45 <Palmtini> so you have a work around for the paid app catalog problem?
Nov 23 12:18:33 <hotdp> Yes
Nov 23 12:18:53 <hotdp> i have to put another comm board in that have access :) i have that allready
Nov 23 12:19:34 <Palmtini> what is the difference between the two comm boards?
Nov 23 12:20:44 <hotdp> 1 was activated in Denmark, we dont have paid apps so i can not access them
Nov 23 12:21:03 <hotdp> 2 was activated in germany they had paid apps, so it has access to the paid apps
Nov 23 12:22:09 <Palmtini> so it's not so much about the comm board but the fact that is what registered and has a profile associated with it in a country that has paid app access
Nov 23 12:43:10 <hotdp> yes
Nov 23 12:43:12 <hotdp> correct
Nov 23 12:43:20 <hotdp> so that comm board is "fucked"
Nov 23 12:58:49 <xbonesx> anyone know off hand what the newest version of motionapps classic is out?
Nov 23 14:36:41 <Palmtini> Templarian: anyone been in contact with you about updating your komo scripts for 2.0?
Nov 23 14:37:35 <Templarian> Palmtini: I open sourced it. It is up to the community.
Nov 23 14:38:17 <Templarian> Palmtini: http://code.google.com/p/komodo-webos/
Nov 23 14:39:21 <Palmtini> right. has anyone tackled it to your knowledge ?
Nov 23 14:39:31 <hotdp> :)
Nov 23 14:40:02 <Palmtini> hotdp: !!!!   \o/
Nov 23 14:40:07 <Templarian> http://community.activestate.com/xpi/webos
Nov 23 14:40:28 <hotdp> omg
Nov 23 14:40:32 <Templarian> Nope, no one yet. Hopefully someone takes the time.
Nov 23 14:41:23 <Palmtini> i should ask you to add me as a contributor ?
Nov 23 15:00:51 <xbonesx> How would i install prc files on motionapps classic?
Nov 23 15:20:47 <Robdor> Good morning everybody
Nov 23 15:43:39 <InfiniteLoop> hi all
Nov 23 15:44:05 <haeffb_pre> hello
Nov 23 15:44:26 <InfiniteLoop> is anyone here on the early access program ? I emailed pdc about joining the said program and I haven't received any info till date. does anyone know how long it takes to join it ?
Nov 23 15:44:34 <InfiniteLoop> hi haeffb_pre
Nov 23 15:44:57 <InfiniteLoop> haeffb_pre:  I suppose you are on wirc on your pre ?
Nov 23 15:45:03 <haeffb_pre> how long ago?
Nov 23 15:45:11 <haeffb_pre> yep
Nov 23 15:45:12 <InfiniteLoop> heh 3 days :)
Nov 23 15:45:31 <InfiniteLoop> I guess Im impatient
Nov 23 15:45:47 <halfhalo> yup
Nov 23 15:45:47 <haeffb_pre> holidays...I'd give them until early next week, then email again
Nov 23 15:45:57 <InfiniteLoop> oh ya, thats right
Nov 23 15:46:10 <InfiniteLoop> dang! what timing
Nov 23 15:46:10 <haeffb_pre> or watch for chuqui in here and ask him
Nov 23 15:46:16 <InfiniteLoop> sure thanks
Nov 23 15:46:30 <InfiniteLoop> chuq	ui works for palm/hp ?
Nov 23 15:46:37 <InfiniteLoop> sorry I meant to type chuqui
Nov 23 15:48:06 <Rick_work> InfiniteLoop  Yes, Chuq is the lead developer relations person at Hp/Palm
Nov 23 15:50:33 <InfiniteLoop> neat!
Nov 23 15:52:34 <Rick_work> he is in here almost every day but not nessesarily for long.
Nov 23 15:53:09 <hotdp> Rick_work i have talked to rwhitby now
Nov 23 15:54:35 <Rick_work> was he able to help?
Nov 23 15:56:52 <haeffb_pre> h o t d p !
Nov 23 15:57:46 <hotdp> haeffb!
Nov 23 15:58:22 <hotdp> every time you say it, i think of bowling and you guys :P
Nov 23 15:59:38 <Rick_work> that was fun wasn't it?
Nov 23 15:59:44 <Rick_work> HP knows how to throw a party.
Nov 23 16:00:07 <Rick_work> although, that place's system has the WORST USER INTERFACE of any software I've used in years.
Nov 23 16:00:52 <hotdp> what system`?
Nov 23 16:01:36 <Rick_work> the bowling management thing for the scoreboards at Lucky Strike in NYC where HP threw that party.
Nov 23 16:02:50 <hotdp> ahh yer that SUCKED
Nov 23 16:02:54 <hotdp> we called for help :)
Nov 23 16:04:46 <oil> our lane would break down every other bowl
Nov 23 16:04:48 <sugardave> yeah, we couldn't add me to the game, I had to be BMyers
Nov 23 16:04:50 <sugardave> awkward
Nov 23 16:05:35 <hotdp> haha
Nov 23 16:05:58 <hotdp> sugardave did you guys do anything after the bownling?
Nov 23 16:06:15 <haeffb_pre> I think I pulled a muscle bowling
Nov 23 16:06:31 <sugardave> I hung out for a little while with the crowd, then headed out
Nov 23 16:06:31 <haeffb_pre> couldn't wak sunday
Nov 23 16:06:40 <sugardave> orly
Nov 23 16:07:02 <hotdp> Peter is sick for work today
Nov 23 16:07:11 * oil also got sick on his way home
Nov 23 16:07:13 <hotdp> he got cold on the flight think the heat was broken
Nov 23 16:07:17 * oil isn't going to work
Nov 23 16:07:25 <hotdp> oil: also cold?
Nov 23 16:08:18 <Rick_work> I re-pulled the rotator cuff in my right shoulder.  and my thighs HURT on Sunday.  Ibuprofin is your friend.
Nov 23 16:08:53 <sugardave> I'm glad they didn't make us play football
Nov 23 16:09:01 <oil> lol
Nov 23 16:09:03 <Rick_work> and I threw the WORST line of bowling I have done since I was 14 or so.  Obviously,
Nov 23 16:09:21 <sugardave> I managed to break 100, but hotdp is a ringer or something
Nov 23 16:09:21 * oil is proud of his 20.4mph bowl
Nov 23 16:09:27 <Rick_work> Geeks trying to prove to each other that we can do physical stuff.
Nov 23 16:09:32 <sugardave> haha
Nov 23 16:09:57 <sugardave> Feats of Geekly Strength
Nov 23 16:10:09 <oil> it could be reality tv
Nov 23 16:10:20 <sugardave> yeah, I think we're on to something
Nov 23 16:10:26 <hotdp> lol
Nov 23 16:10:55 <sugardave> "Watch as sugardave lifts his 12th Dr. Pepper from the case."
Nov 23 16:11:06 <oil> http://www.explosm.net/comics/2243/
Nov 23 16:11:06 <oil> haha
Nov 23 16:11:24 <hotdp> sugardave how is your health with all that pepper?
Nov 23 16:11:40 <hotdp> lol oil!
Nov 23 16:11:48 <sugardave> surprisingly good, low blood sugar, low cholesterol, low fat
Nov 23 16:12:03 <sugardave> I represent the next evolution in humans.  We run on nictoine, caffeine, and sugar
Nov 23 16:12:10 <hotdp> hehe
Nov 23 16:12:28 <sugardave> more genies!
Nov 23 16:12:31 <oil> haha
Nov 23 16:13:00 <Palmtini> sometimes you feel like the bowling ball, sometimes you feel like the pin.
Nov 23 16:13:41 <Templarian> Palmtini: PM me your email (sorry had to go to class earlier).
Nov 23 16:16:41 <halfhalo> Coke and beef jerky... The breakfast of champions
Nov 23 16:19:29 * hotdp have never tasted beef jerky.
Nov 23 16:19:46 <halfhalo> What is wrong with you...
Nov 23 16:20:00 <hotdp> it does no exist in my country
Nov 23 16:20:04 <Palmtini> i think it's illegal there
Nov 23 16:21:25 <halfhalo> so, how bout them n/s koreans?
Nov 23 16:21:39 <hotdp> thats crazy i think
Nov 23 16:22:24 * hotdp likes that in webos 2.0 he can change APN without editing the DB file
Nov 23 16:22:50 <Workenhaven> you're missing out
Nov 23 16:22:54 <Workenhaven> beef jerky is awesome
Nov 23 16:23:00 <Workenhaven> deer jerky is even better
Nov 23 16:23:11 <hotdp> its dryed meat right?
Nov 23 16:23:23 <Workenhaven> yea
Nov 23 16:23:37 <Workenhaven> dehydrated with salt and spices and stuff
Nov 23 16:24:04 <halfhalo> its bad for you, but oh so good
Nov 23 16:24:15 <hotdp> is it unhealthy?
Nov 23 16:24:26 <Workenhaven> too much sodium
Nov 23 16:24:32 <hotdp> ohh i see
Nov 23 16:24:42 <Workenhaven> if you make it yourself it's really healthy
Nov 23 16:24:56 <Workenhaven> but comercially, it's packed so full of sodium and preservatives it's unhealthy
Nov 23 16:25:14 <hotdp> ahh and there is no "bio" version?
Nov 23 16:25:24 <Workenhaven> haha no
Nov 23 16:25:32 <Workenhaven> my friends and i make our own
Nov 23 16:25:42 <hotdp> i see
Nov 23 16:25:46 <Workenhaven> same price as buying comercial and it's a lot better
Nov 23 16:26:04 <Workenhaven> and it's pretty much free when we use venision during hunting season
Nov 23 16:29:32 <hotdp> hmm
Nov 23 16:29:44 <hotdp> van it be right that there is no featured app in germany?
Nov 23 16:29:57 <hotdp> (2.0)
Nov 23 16:31:54 <hotdp> NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Nov 23 16:32:03 <hotdp> it has not saved my andry birds state
Nov 23 16:33:11 <halfhalo> OH
Nov 23 16:33:26 <halfhalo> ANGRY BIRDS ROCKS ON THE EPICS BIG SCREEN
Nov 23 16:33:56 <haeffb_pre> deliciousmorsel: feature request...
Nov 23 16:34:28 <haeffb_pre> autofill from list of followers when I type @...
Nov 23 16:34:33 <deliciousmorsel> kk
Nov 23 16:56:14 <mugen[bounced]> morning...
Nov 23 16:57:57 <Rick_work> it is
Nov 23 16:58:09 <Workenhaven> it's noon
Nov 23 16:58:14 <Workenhaven> not morning :P
Nov 23 16:58:29 <mugen[bounced]> yeah... if you live in hell-- err i mean the east coast
Nov 23 17:01:29 <Rick_work> Internet Relay Chat time defines morning as "when a person first shows up on IRC it is officially "morning" for them."
Nov 23 17:01:45 <mugen[bounced]> hehe
Nov 23 17:02:08 <mugen[bounced]> how's everyone doing today?  i bet there's lots of pre2 wo2.0 hacking going on
Nov 23 17:03:36 <Palmtini> alot of Enyo face talk
Nov 23 17:05:56 <en0x> Enyo sounds good...
Nov 23 17:07:19 <Rick_work> Enyo is ares on steroids.  If you want to prepare for enyo, work in ares.
Nov 23 17:10:04 <wastrel> hi
Nov 23 17:10:07 <wastrel> what's ares :]
Nov 23 17:11:07 <deliciousmorsel> ares bleh
Nov 23 17:11:15 <deliciousmorsel> i'd use enyo framework
Nov 23 17:11:18 <deliciousmorsel> but not inares
Nov 23 17:11:41 <Rick_work> ok, but here's the thing.  THe enyo framework IS the ares framework extended a bit.
Nov 23 17:11:50 <deliciousmorsel> ares isn't a framework
Nov 23 17:11:54 <deliciousmorsel> its an IDE
Nov 23 17:11:56 <Rick_work> So, if you look at the CODE ares produces, it's essentially the same as the ares code.
Nov 23 17:12:32 <Rick_work> No, actually, ares is an ide AND a framework.  And the framework is more important, you can code using the ares framework without the IDE.  Enyo is the ares framework extended.
Nov 23 17:12:40 <deliciousmorsel> ares uses mojo
Nov 23 17:13:22 <deliciousmorsel> according to palm
Nov 23 17:13:24 <deliciousmorsel> "Ares is our browser-based IDE for building webOS Apps"
Nov 23 17:13:25 <Rick_work> ares does not directly use mojo.  Look at the code ares produces....
Nov 23 17:13:51 <Rick_work> the ares team dislike mojo rather a lot.
Nov 23 17:14:04 <deliciousmorsel> which is why they wrote enyo
Nov 23 17:14:05 <Rick_work> and the enyo team IS the ares team and they took over webOS development.
Nov 23 17:14:18 <deliciousmorsel> but enyo is NOT an ide
Nov 23 17:14:23 <Rick_work> no, they wrote enyo for the same reason they wrote ares.
Nov 23 17:14:23 <deliciousmorsel> and ares is not a framework
Nov 23 17:14:30 <Rick_work> arrrrrghhhhhhh
Nov 23 17:15:00 <wastrel> today i learned that enyo is ares and ares is an ide and enyo is a freamework
Nov 23 17:15:03 <wastrel> framework
Nov 23 17:15:05 <Rick_work> Look,  I sat with Matt McNulty for about an hour and discussed this.  I understand how Ares works, and what it uses, and what Enyo is and what it uses.
Nov 23 17:15:38 <deliciousmorsel> i looked at the code ares produces
Nov 23 17:15:45 <deliciousmorsel> other than an ares.js for some initialization
Nov 23 17:15:48 <deliciousmorsel> it uses mojo completely
Nov 23 17:16:14 <deliciousmorsel> chuqui
Nov 23 17:16:20 <deliciousmorsel> is Ares a framework?
Nov 23 17:16:22 <deliciousmorsel> or an IDE
Nov 23 17:16:23 <deliciousmorsel> or both?
Nov 23 17:16:34 <chuqui> morning
Nov 23 17:16:39 <deliciousmorsel> howdy.
Nov 23 17:18:00 <Rick_work> Morning chuqui  sure would have been nice to see you in NYC.  sorry you weren't there.
Nov 23 17:19:44 <mugen[bounced]> lol... this is turning into a "Who's on first?" kind of conversation :P
Nov 23 17:20:01 <chuqui> someone had to feed the cats, rick
Nov 23 17:20:27 <haeffb_pre> InfiniteLoop: look who's here...
Nov 23 17:20:50 <haeffb_pre> chuqui: I just left my cat locked in the house for a week
Nov 23 17:21:05 <haeffb_pre> with a big bowl o' food
Nov 23 17:21:06 <InfiniteLoop> hi chuqui
Nov 23 17:21:38 <chuqui> InfiniteLoop: morning!
Nov 23 17:22:08 * InfiniteLoop trying to figure out a way to send private message in adium
Nov 23 17:23:11 <Workenhaven> ok, i get a "unable to validate incoming mail server settings" error trying to add my work email exchange server to my phone
Nov 23 17:23:22 <Workenhaven> everything is right though, it's identical to my webmail login stuff
Nov 23 17:23:27 <deliciousmorsel> InfiniteLoop:  its easy … do "/msg USERNAME message text"
Nov 23 17:23:35 <InfiniteLoop> got it
Nov 23 17:23:38 <deliciousmorsel> lol
Nov 23 17:23:41 <deliciousmorsel> just normal irc commands
Nov 23 17:24:32 <InfiniteLoop> using mac has spoiled me, re-learning all the irc commands
Nov 23 17:24:41 <Workenhaven> using a mac hasn't spoiled you
Nov 23 17:24:45 <Workenhaven> it's rotted your brain
Nov 23 17:24:48 <Workenhaven> there's a difference :P
Nov 23 17:24:54 <mugen[bounced]> hehe
Nov 23 17:26:53 <InfiniteLoop> Workenhaven:  you assume I had a brain to start with
Nov 23 17:26:57 <Workenhaven> mac's are $400 for a shiny sticker, running a lobotomized version of BSD with a flashy, eye catching UI for people with ADD to feel like they've done something productive
Nov 23 17:27:21 <deliciousmorsel> so what makes it lobotomized
Nov 23 17:28:37 <Workenhaven> apple
Nov 23 17:28:47 <deliciousmorsel> teh brand
Nov 23 17:28:50 <deliciousmorsel> not the features?
Nov 23 17:29:08 <deliciousmorsel> i was hoping you'd have a good argument
Nov 23 17:29:09 <Workenhaven> they just make it really hard to modify the core system
Nov 23 17:29:19 <Workenhaven> so people have less chance of screwing it up
Nov 23 17:29:36 <Workenhaven> but it also makes it frustratingly difficult to change it or fix something that does get broken without an official patch
Nov 23 17:29:37 <deliciousmorsel> i'm not sure how they are making it hard to modify the core system
Nov 23 17:29:49 <deliciousmorsel> on the iOS devices yes
Nov 23 17:29:59 <deliciousmorsel> but on mac products, you can do whatever you need
Nov 23 17:30:01 <deliciousmorsel> or want
Nov 23 17:30:16 <deliciousmorsel> because its not open source?
Nov 23 17:30:16 <Workenhaven> i remember fixing my friend's macbook when 10.5 or whatever came out
Nov 23 17:30:22 <Workenhaven> and all the "official" drivers didn't work
Nov 23 17:30:32 <deliciousmorsel> drivers for what?
Nov 23 17:30:36 <Workenhaven> i wound up replacing 90% of her drivers with ones copied straight off my ubuntu install
Nov 23 17:30:51 <deliciousmorsel> i call BS
Nov 23 17:31:01 <Workenhaven> her printer and scanner
Nov 23 17:31:05 <deliciousmorsel> the mac "drivers" are kernal extensions
Nov 23 17:31:10 <deliciousmorsel> they aren't the same format at ubuntu ones
Nov 23 17:31:24 <deliciousmorsel> kext's are folders with a plist
Nov 23 17:31:28 <deliciousmorsel> and some bins
Nov 23 17:31:29 <Workenhaven> they both used gutenprint
Nov 23 17:31:42 <deliciousmorsel> so is it apple's fault
Nov 23 17:31:51 <deliciousmorsel> that her printer and scanner didn't work
Nov 23 17:31:58 <deliciousmorsel> isn't it the manufacturer's fault
Nov 23 17:32:00 <Workenhaven> it chose a non-working driver as default
Nov 23 17:32:36 <Workenhaven> and clicking the "fix" button just redownloaded the same non-working driver
Nov 23 17:32:58 <deliciousmorsel> so did you scour the manufacturers site for a working driver?
Nov 23 17:33:07 * KGF2009 waves to all.
Nov 23 17:33:31 <Workenhaven> they didn't have drivers listed
Nov 23 17:33:35 <Workenhaven> all her drivers were apple ones
Nov 23 17:33:43 <Workenhaven> most of which were just OSS drivers
Nov 23 17:33:44 <deliciousmorsel> having OSX choose the wrong is dumb
Nov 23 17:34:06 <deliciousmorsel> but its not apple job to babysit 3rd party hardware manufacters
Nov 23 17:34:58 <Workenhaven> ubuntu does a damn good job doing it
Nov 23 17:35:06 <deliciousmorsel> but i dont get how that makes OSX lobotomized
Nov 23 17:35:09 <Workenhaven> never had a peice of hardware that didn't work on connecting in years
Nov 23 17:35:14 <deliciousmorsel> i have
Nov 23 17:35:21 <deliciousmorsel> i only use nix variants
Nov 23 17:35:24 <Workenhaven> and i've had some weird ass shit
Nov 23 17:35:37 <deliciousmorsel> and setting up ubuntu to my specs its always … a few hour process
Nov 23 17:35:44 <deliciousmorsel> at least for desktop use
Nov 23 17:35:50 <Workenhaven> i've got scripts for that
Nov 23 17:35:53 <deliciousmorsel> for server use with software raid… yeah thats a job
Nov 23 17:36:04 <deliciousmorsel> so how long did those scripts take to write?
Nov 23 17:36:12 <deliciousmorsel> cause i'm pretty sure ubuntu didn't write those for you
Nov 23 17:36:15 <Workenhaven> 20min?
Nov 23 17:36:25 <Workenhaven> it was just apt-get install everything i want
Nov 23 17:36:35 <deliciousmorsel> you've never had issues with display drivers
Nov 23 17:36:38 <deliciousmorsel> or wifi cards
Nov 23 17:36:46 <Workenhaven> only on my hp tx2000z
Nov 23 17:36:50 <maik> girls girls girls, the "my os is better than your os" debate is pointless and will never end
Nov 23 17:36:51 <KGF2009> I know I haven't.
Nov 23 17:37:02 <deliciousmorsel> on intel based wifi cards… at it used to require to use ndiswrapper to connect to a wpa2 network
Nov 23 17:37:10 <Loudergood> you guys obviously haven't tried solaris
Nov 23 17:37:14 <Workenhaven> ndiswrapper takes like maybe 30min to install
Nov 23 17:37:24 <deliciousmorsel> yeah but does it work right away?
Nov 23 17:37:32 <deliciousmorsel> what if thats your only source for internet
Nov 23 17:37:33 <deliciousmorsel> wifi
Nov 23 17:37:41 <mugen[bounced]> ugh ndis wrapper :(\
Nov 23 17:37:46 <Workenhaven> who the hell does a major install with hundreds of megs of updates on wifi?
Nov 23 17:37:53 <deliciousmorsel> i'm not saying ndiswrapper is a big deal… its not … its easy stuff
Nov 23 17:38:01 <deliciousmorsel> but i'm just saying every OS has it problems
Nov 23 17:38:03 <deliciousmorsel> OSX does
Nov 23 17:38:06 <deliciousmorsel> ubuntu
Nov 23 17:38:09 <deliciousmorsel> windows
Nov 23 17:38:12 <deliciousmorsel> bsd's
Nov 23 17:38:18 <deliciousmorsel> etc
Nov 23 17:38:20 <Loudergood> hp-ux
Nov 23 17:38:30 <Loudergood> as/400
Nov 23 17:38:33 <Workenhaven> hell, even getting my wacom integrated touchscreen going was easy
Nov 23 17:38:33 <deliciousmorsel> thanks nerd.
Nov 23 17:38:35 <deliciousmorsel> hahaha
Nov 23 17:38:49 <Workenhaven> and that was scriptable too
Nov 23 17:38:57 <Workenhaven> just required you to "insert kernel version here"
Nov 23 17:38:58 <deliciousmorsel> so it wasn't just plug in and it works?
Nov 23 17:39:08 <deliciousmorsel> cause my wacom just plugged into my mac and it just workedd
Nov 23 17:39:18 <Workenhaven> it's not a plugin
Nov 23 17:39:22 <Workenhaven> it's built into the lcd screen
Nov 23 17:39:42 <deliciousmorsel> i know its not a plugin… reread that
Nov 23 17:40:11 <deliciousmorsel> again
Nov 23 17:40:15 <Workenhaven> all it required was activating the pen in the settings
Nov 23 17:40:16 <deliciousmorsel> every OS sucks
Nov 23 17:40:24 <deliciousmorsel> just write your own
Nov 23 17:41:09 <Workenhaven> i'm not that much of a masochist
Nov 23 17:41:25 <Workenhaven> i had to do an 8bit OS for my digital logic circuits class
Nov 23 17:41:39 <Workenhaven> nearly shot myself
Nov 23 17:42:49 <Workenhaven> "wire a computer and write an OS, that sounds like fun!" *3 months, 500 NAND chips, and 10 miles of wire later* "....i have lost the will to live"
Nov 23 17:44:59 <Loudergood> yeah, there's an abandoned 1950's radar base near here, and the size of the computer building is just nuts...and thinking about how little power that had
Nov 23 17:45:11 <wastrel> computers
Nov 23 17:45:30 <wastrel> you have the entire world's computing power from 1950 in your pocket
Nov 23 17:45:36 <wastrel> and what do you do with it?  play angry birds
Nov 23 17:45:41 <Loudergood> heh, of course
Nov 23 17:52:33 <KGF2009> Which is better for an amateur (never-made-an-app amateur) developer to start with; SDK or PDK?
Nov 23 17:52:40 <deliciousmorsel> SDK
Nov 23 17:52:46 <mugen[bounced]> SDK
Nov 23 17:52:53 <hotdp> SDK
Nov 23 17:52:55 <Rick_work> sdk
Nov 23 17:52:58 <mugen[bounced]> SDK
Nov 23 17:53:04 <KGF2009> Well, that was easy.
Nov 23 17:53:10 <mugen[bounced]> ;)
Nov 23 17:53:13 <Robdor> PDK (just to balance things out) :)
Nov 23 17:53:31 <Rick_work> Rick bounces Robdor.
Nov 23 17:53:32 <mugen[bounced]> lol
Nov 23 17:53:59 <Robdor> lol
Nov 23 17:55:05 <Loudergood> yeah html/css is worlds easier than c/c++
Nov 23 17:55:07 <Templarian> I keep getting emails about the webos addon... so http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Komodo if anyone asks link them that.
Nov 23 17:55:46 <KGF2009> I can imagine it would be, but oddly enough my best language is C++.
Nov 23 17:55:53 <Robdor> Did any of you PDK guys get your winnings from the contest yet? I haven't heard anything from Palm for a couple of weeks.
Nov 23 17:56:26 <Robdor> KGF2009: I really depends on what you want to do. If you are doing a game go with the PDK if you are doing a normal app go with the SDK.
Nov 23 17:58:12 <KGF2009> Oh, and since Palm doesn't tell me what to do for 10.04, what's the java package?
Nov 23 17:58:23 <Rick_work> and as long as you understand using SDL to update the screen and that there is no window manager, you're drawing on the screen directly.  If you want the advantages of a window manager and screen objects and stuff, then you do SDK.  pdk is really really for games and such where you need direct access to the screen.
Nov 23 17:58:49 <KGF2009> All right, thanks.
Nov 23 17:59:10 <sugardave> Ares...oh man.  I dislike having to set attributes and models in the gui.  It just feels wrong
Nov 23 17:59:20 <Rick_work> "hybrid" apps, with C++ back ends, and javascript front ends are not supported yet.
Nov 23 17:59:23 <KGF2009> Ares just plain didn't work for me.
Nov 23 17:59:33 <KGF2009> Rick_work: What about wIRC?
Nov 23 17:59:41 <sugardave> wIRC is not in the catalog
Nov 23 18:00:00 <Rick_work> wIRC is a hybrid app, that is not in the app catalog even tho it is absolutely a valid app BECAUSE hybrid apps are not supported yet.
Nov 23 18:00:01 <KGF2009> ..Perhaps your and my definitions of 'supported' are different.
Nov 23 18:00:03 <Rick_work> "soon."
Nov 23 18:00:12 <Rick_work> supported means "in the app catalog.
Nov 23 18:00:18 <KGF2009> Ah.
Nov 23 18:00:25 <KGF2009> I hear supported and I think 'it works'.
Nov 23 18:00:50 <Rick_work> Nope.  Available in Preware means "it works."  Supported implies "by palm."
Nov 23 18:01:43 <KGF2009> But anyway, yeah; sun-java6-jre is not installing; where can I get java for 10.04?
Nov 23 18:01:52 <sugardave> KGF2009: hold
Nov 23 18:03:01 <sugardave> arg phone
Nov 23 18:04:04 <wastrel> hihi
Nov 23 18:05:42 <mattsmcnulty> sugardave: just saw your blog post, thank you
Nov 23 18:07:10 <mugen[bounced]> kgf, why are you having so much problems with ubuntu?
Nov 23 18:07:28 <mugen[bounced]> apt-get install sun-java6-jre ... why doesn't that install?
Nov 23 18:07:38 <Loudergood> pretty sure they went openjdk in 10.04 didn't they?
Nov 23 18:07:49 <wastrel> you need to enable a repo to get sun java
Nov 23 18:07:51 <wastrel> sec
Nov 23 18:08:10 <KGF2009> Package sun-java6-jre is not available but is referred to by another package
Nov 23 18:08:19 <mugen[bounced]> hold on
Nov 23 18:08:28 <Loudergood> what do you need the sun one for?
Nov 23 18:08:37 <mugen[bounced]> you need to enable multiverse repo
Nov 23 18:08:40 <wastrel> KGF2009: /msg ubottu java
Nov 23 18:08:41 <KGF2009> It's just what Palm is saying to install.
Nov 23 18:08:45 <wastrel> and /msg ubottu partner
Nov 23 18:08:53 <wastrel> mugen[bounced]: it's in the partner repo in 10.04
Nov 23 18:09:00 <mugen[bounced]> sudo add-apt-repository "deb http://archive.canonical.com/ lucid partner"
Nov 23 18:09:08 <hotdp> i am trying to change my mms settings in webos 2.0 but it will not accept the APN. Do someone know how to fix?
Nov 23 18:09:08 <wastrel> yeah
Nov 23 18:09:12 <mugen[bounced]> then apt-get update
Nov 23 18:09:16 <mugen[bounced]> then install
Nov 23 18:12:26 <sugardave> KGF2009: I have sun-java6-bin, ia32-sun-java6-bin, sun-java6-jre, sun-java6-plugin, and sun-java6-jdk
Nov 23 18:12:34 <sugardave> what mugen[bounced] said, I think
Nov 23 18:12:49 <KGF2009> There we go, it's working.
Nov 23 18:13:02 <sugardave> mattsmcnulty: ah, thanks for reading, I felt I was starting to ramble so I left some things out :D
Nov 23 18:13:44 <mugen[bounced]> kgf, are you using x86 or amd64?
Nov 23 18:14:02 <KGF2009> I'm pretty sure I'm x86.
Nov 23 18:14:05 <mugen[bounced]> kk
Nov 23 18:14:11 <mugen[bounced]> uaname -a
Nov 23 18:14:15 <mugen[bounced]> err, uname -a
Nov 23 18:14:23 <sugardave> U aname!
Nov 23 18:14:33 <mugen[bounced]> if it's amd64, you'll need the ia32-sun-java6-bin
Nov 23 18:14:40 <mugen[bounced]> hehe dave
Nov 23 18:15:41 <KGF2009> Yeah, x86.
Nov 23 18:20:56 <mugen[bounced]> k, you should be good after that then
Nov 23 18:24:55 <KGF2009> All working now.
Nov 23 18:27:45 <KGF2009> Now I just need an app idea.
Nov 23 18:28:23 <sugardave> App Idea Generator
Nov 23 18:28:31 <Rick_work> what kind of apps do you like to work in.
Nov 23 18:28:32 <kesne> Hey all
Nov 23 18:28:44 <kesne> No school today!
Nov 23 18:28:51 <Rick_work> bsuiness, productivity, games, art, what?
Nov 23 18:30:43 <KGF2009> Not sure. But I'm not so good at games, so probably somewhere around utilities or productivity.
Nov 23 18:32:54 <Rick_work> ok
Nov 23 18:33:22 <Rick_work> homebrew or app catalog target?
Nov 23 18:35:10 <KGF2009> Don't really have a preference.
Nov 23 18:39:01 <CTLAdvance> so anyone here with a sprint pre 2?
Nov 23 18:39:19 <CTLAdvance> afternoon everyone
Nov 23 18:39:48 <KGF2009> I wish.
Nov 23 18:40:06 <KGF2009> I'd have to wait nearly two years until I get an upgrade.
Nov 23 18:41:34 * CTLAdvance notes sprint doesnt have the pre 2, it needs a comboard swap
Nov 23 18:41:42 <kesne> Oh boy I sure do love snow days
Nov 23 18:41:50 <KGF2009> Got that right, kesne.
Nov 23 18:42:03 <kesne> KGF2009: Where abouts are you?
Nov 23 18:42:16 <CTLAdvance> wow acer has a 4.8" screen with 1024X480 res coming
Nov 23 18:42:18 <CTLAdvance> sweet
Nov 23 18:42:37 <InfiniteLoop> is it normal to minify js/css before packaging a app ?
Nov 23 18:42:53 <kesne> InfiniteLoop: I don't, but that's just a personal thing
Nov 23 18:43:04 <InfiniteLoop> will it help ?
Nov 23 18:43:54 <CTLAdvance> infiniteloop - it depends
Nov 23 18:44:10 <CTLAdvance> How big are your js files, if they are huge, it will help alot
Nov 23 18:44:21 <kesne> Hey look, it's CTLAdvance!
Nov 23 18:44:25 <KGF2009> Washington.
Nov 23 18:44:26 <CTLAdvance> Hey Kesne
Nov 23 18:44:37 <CTLAdvance> !
Nov 23 18:44:48 * hotdp wonder why there is no images on hes contacts on hes new pre 2
Nov 23 18:44:48 <kesne> KGF2009: Ah, gotchya. We've got about 1cm of snow here, which is enough to cancel school
Nov 23 18:44:53 <wastrel> snow <3
Nov 23 18:45:09 <KGF2009> kesne: We've got like 6 inches..But now the sun's out so we may not have this opportunity twice..
Nov 23 18:45:18 <kesne> ah, nice nice
Nov 23 18:45:43 <InfiniteLoop> one more js is 11KB
Nov 23 18:45:51 <CTLAdvance> minified?
Nov 23 18:45:54 <Loudergood> still waiting for my snow here...it's late this year..
Nov 23 18:45:56 <CTLAdvance> or before
Nov 23 18:45:57 <InfiniteLoop> unminified
Nov 23 18:46:02 <CTLAdvance> prob wont help
Nov 23 18:46:06 <InfiniteLoop> ah ok
Nov 23 18:46:07 <wastrel> no snow here
Nov 23 18:46:13 <Rick_work> 11kb is nothing
Nov 23 18:47:05 <CTLAdvance> So how was dev day
Nov 23 18:47:13 <InfiniteLoop> Rick_work:  ah cool
Nov 23 18:47:29 <kesne> The biggest JS file I have in my app is 60 LB
Nov 23 18:47:31 <kesne> *KB
Nov 23 18:48:22 <kesne> Minifying is useless!
Nov 23 18:48:54 <CTLAdvance> nah, when you get over 1mb files it startes to make a big difference
Nov 23 18:49:05 <CTLAdvance> or I should say 1mb of js in general
Nov 23 18:49:09 <kesne> I meant for the file sizes I generally deal with
Nov 23 18:57:25 <KGF2009> I hate how I can never think of app ideas. x.x
Nov 23 18:57:46 <CTLAdvance> fart app?
Nov 23 18:57:59 <KGF2009> Pff.
Nov 23 18:58:04 <CTLAdvance> wiff?
Nov 23 18:59:21 <Rick_work> Weather alert app.  Check weather forcast for pre's location and if there is a substantial (> 25% ) chance of precip bring up a dashboard alert.  -- Don't forget your umbrella.
Nov 23 18:59:45 <Rick_work> a GOOD animated weather radar app.
Nov 23 19:00:24 <wastrel> america
Nov 23 19:00:44 <wastrel> Rick_work: istr there was an app that did that for iphone
Nov 23 19:00:52 <Rick_work> well, yeah, I live in kansas.  We are somewhat "involved" with weather here, being right in tornado alley.
Nov 23 19:01:23 <wastrel> i live in nyc
Nov 23 19:01:28 <Rick_work> ahhh.
Nov 23 19:01:29 <wastrel> we had a tornado supposably in brooklyn
Nov 23 19:01:32 <wastrel> i am amused by it
Nov 23 19:01:52 <Rick_work> you DID have a tornado in brooklyn.  I've seen 3 sets of video and the recorded radar track.
Nov 23 19:01:56 <halfhalo> Heh.. weather... We don't have it here
Nov 23 19:02:00 <Rick_work> no question.
Nov 23 19:02:03 <wastrel> i was in the subway when it happened
Nov 23 19:02:06 <Rick_work> ah
Nov 23 19:02:12 <wastrel> so i missed the action :[
Nov 23 19:02:35 <wastrel> i came out from underground a couple minutes after it had passed
Nov 23 19:02:57 <wastrel> i want to see the radar track!  see how close it was to my apartment
Nov 23 19:04:20 <Rick_work> another idea for an app...  Monitor my activity level.  Track accelerometer at a low level every X seconds, and make a note if the readings are stable or changing.  Then, produce a record of sedentary vs active time
Nov 23 19:05:46 <KGF2009> Hmm..
Nov 23 19:05:58 <KGF2009> ANy way to make an app respond to touch while the screen is off?
Nov 23 19:06:42 <Rick_work> dn't know.
Nov 23 19:06:49 <mugen[bounced]> that's the fastest i've rebuilt an asterisk box _ever_
Nov 23 19:06:50 <Rick_work> wake on touch?  Hmmmm  interesting question
Nov 23 19:07:28 <Loudergood> you'd have to be able to turn off the screen without turning off the touch
Nov 23 19:07:34 <KGF2009> Or perhaps a music app where just a few gestures can switch a song, change volume, etc. all without turning on the screen and (in some cases) entering a pin.
Nov 23 19:07:40 <KGF2009> That was my idea.
Nov 23 19:08:41 <Rick_work> you'll want to review all the existing music apps....
Nov 23 19:08:52 <kesne> KGF2009: Make a checkers app!
Nov 23 19:09:05 <mugen[bounced]> hehe
Nov 23 19:09:07 <kesne> mugen[bounced]: Have you looked at villo yet?
Nov 23 19:09:12 <mugen[bounced]> kgf, i take it you got everything running?
Nov 23 19:09:21 <Loudergood> drpodder has a ui that shows up when the phone is locked
Nov 23 19:09:27 <KGF2009> Yes, the environment is working and all, just need something to make now.
Nov 23 19:09:39 <KGF2009> Loudergood: Even if you have notifications turned off while locked?
Nov 23 19:09:40 <mugen[bounced]> kesne, i started going through it last night... i'm interested in knowing where you're taking it...
Nov 23 19:09:48 <Loudergood> no, not if you turn them off
Nov 23 19:10:00 <kesne> mugen[bounced]: Yeah, well if you're interested, you have my email, heh
Nov 23 19:10:33 <KGF2009> Yeah, I never show notifications without people going through my pin. Friends can get annoying. XP
Nov 23 19:10:35 <mugen[bounced]> kesne, yeah... stay tuned, and i'll write up some questions after thanksgiving
Nov 23 19:10:45 <kesne> mugen[bounced]: Sounds great! :D
Nov 23 19:10:55 <mugen[bounced]> sorry i don't have the time to give it my full attn right now... just too many other things going on atm including the holiday around the corner
Nov 23 19:13:49 <swisstomcat> evening
Nov 23 19:14:47 <pandora--> morning
Nov 23 19:16:31 <swisstomcat> what's new?
Nov 23 19:18:03 <Palmtini> chuqui: who the right person to contact about not receiving app catalog payments?
Nov 23 19:18:40 <chuqui> drop me an email.
Nov 23 19:18:52 <Palmtini> thx
Nov 23 19:20:10 <swisstomcat> hey chuqui
Nov 23 19:20:21 <Palmtini> pdn or pdc ?
Nov 23 19:20:31 <halfhalo> Its a party!
Nov 23 19:20:43 <pandora--> who can I contact about having weakass catalog payments?
Nov 23 19:20:56 <pandora--> I'd like to get 5x
Nov 23 19:21:34 <chuqui> pdc
Nov 23 19:21:38 <chuqui> (actually, either works)
Nov 23 19:21:46 <chuqui> pandora santa
Nov 23 19:25:42 <Palmtini> chuqui: check is in the email - thanks..
Nov 23 19:26:14 <swisstomcat> hehe
Nov 23 19:26:56 <Palmtini> sales have been WAY off but at least I can get that magazine subscription I've been saving up for if I get paid..
Nov 23 19:39:46 <pandora--> chuqui: lol
Nov 23 19:40:51 <mugen[bounced]> anyone got a suggestion for a good OSS list server?
Nov 23 19:40:55 <mugen[bounced]> it's been years since I've used one
Nov 23 19:41:13 <mugen[bounced]> preferrably something with a web frontend
Nov 23 19:41:22 <mugen[bounced]> *preferably
Nov 23 19:42:48 <nyceane> who went to the dev day?
Nov 23 19:43:31 <KGF2009> Does anyone know the best way to parse through HTML to get info from a webpage?
Nov 23 19:44:20 <mugen[bounced]> firefox or chrome? ;)
Nov 23 19:44:41 <KGF2009> Palm. XP
Nov 23 19:44:42 <mugen[bounced]> ...sorry, i had to
Nov 23 19:44:53 <KGF2009> XD
Nov 23 19:45:13 <mugen[bounced]> step through the DOM with parser or something?
Nov 23 19:45:21 <hotdp> sugardave YOU THERe+
Nov 23 19:45:36 <KGF2009> ...The what now?
Nov 23 19:45:37 <pandora--> KGF2009: from a webview?
Nov 23 19:45:39 <swisstomcat> kfg2009: append the html to a div inside the dom and then parse that
Nov 23 19:46:23 <KGF2009> ....Don't forget you're talking to a -total- newbie.
Nov 23 19:46:52 <swisstomcat> kfg2009: http://pastie.org/1320879
Nov 23 19:47:07 <pandora--> KGF2009: are you looking to view the html that created the app UI, or are you embedding a webpage within your app scene and looking to get info from the page loaded there?
Nov 23 19:48:18 <mugen[bounced]> i'm better he wants to get some data from the page contained in a tag
Nov 23 19:48:40 <rwhitby> morning
Nov 23 19:48:52 <swisstomcat> morning rwhitby
Nov 23 19:49:08 <halfhalo> murnin
Nov 23 19:49:23 <mugen[bounced]> o/ rwhitby
Nov 23 19:49:34 <hotdp> chuqui do you know if it is correct that there is no featured apps on webos 2.0 in germany?
Nov 23 19:49:53 <swisstomcat> apparently, i have none .. ben in the UK Doesn't have them either
Nov 23 19:50:51 <hotdp> swisstomcat when i had "no paid apps (UK)" i had paid apps for 2.0
Nov 23 19:50:53 <KGF2009> pandora--: the latter.
Nov 23 19:51:04 <swisstomcat> hotdp: i'm talking about "featured apps"
Nov 23 19:51:04 <pandora--> KGF2009: you're SOL pal :)
Nov 23 19:51:22 <hotdp> swisstomcat me 2!
Nov 23 19:51:25 <pandora--> you're not given access into the html loaded into a webview as far as I know
Nov 23 19:51:32 <swisstomcat> yeah, that's what i heard too
Nov 23 19:51:33 <hotdp> it had pandora as featured
Nov 23 19:52:04 <KGF2009> pandora--: I thought you could make a request for a webpage and have the HTML stored that way.
Nov 23 19:52:23 <pandora--> stored?
Nov 23 19:52:34 <pandora--> check the docs for WebView, but I don't think that's possible
Nov 23 19:52:41 <pandora--> don't take my word for it though, check the docs
Nov 23 19:52:54 <KGF2009> No, not WebView; I think it was Ajax.Request or something.
Nov 23 19:52:55 <swisstomcat> kgf2009: you can request a webpage via AJAX and parse it's content (see my sample i posted)
Nov 23 19:53:05 <KGF2009> Oh, didn't see that.
Nov 23 19:53:09 <swisstomcat> http://pastie.org/1320879
Nov 23 19:53:46 <pandora--> yeah, that you can do
Nov 23 19:54:43 <sugardave> hotdp: I'm here and there, what's up?
Nov 23 19:55:24 <dohtem> Is it possible to have each list item be a drawer?
Nov 23 19:55:47 <mugen[bounced]> should be
Nov 23 19:56:01 <sugardave> dohtem: yes, but good luck
Nov 23 19:56:14 <sugardave> dohtem: you should do pseudo-drawers
Nov 23 19:56:26 <dohtem> pseudo-drawers?
Nov 23 19:56:36 <sugardave> swisstomcat: did you use real drawers in the dev day app list?
Nov 23 19:56:51 <swisstomcat> let me check
Nov 23 19:57:24 <sugardave> dohtem: it just seemed easier (I only had Style Matters to help) to hide my own divs than try to get the drawers in a list to work
Nov 23 19:57:38 <sugardave> I think haeffb_pre put an example on webos101
Nov 23 19:57:41 <swisstomcat> sugardave: real ones
Nov 23 19:58:20 <sugardave> dohtem: http://webos101.com/Pseudo-Drawers_In_A_List
Nov 23 19:58:31 <dohtem> sugardave: I'm trying to display comments and nested comments and I can't think of a decent way to handle it.
Nov 23 20:03:08 <sugardave> dohtem: check out swisstomcat's dev day conference app, his drawers in a list work well
Nov 23 20:03:18 <swisstomcat> i can send you the source if you want
Nov 23 20:03:32 <dohtem> swisstomcat: hope you didnt pull it from the catalog yet :)
Nov 23 20:03:42 <swisstomcat> nope
Nov 23 20:03:49 <summatusmentis> drawers in a list are something I've been toying with implementing, but I'm not sure it's the right model for my app
Nov 23 20:03:49 <swisstomcat> it's web-feed only
Nov 23 20:04:02 <dohtem> ah
Nov 23 20:04:05 <swisstomcat> i have one app with real drawers and another app with fake drawers .. both work
Nov 23 20:04:16 <swisstomcat> dohtem: i can also just send you the source .. it's GPLv3 anyway
Nov 23 20:04:42 <dohtem> hehe, I dont think I can use it in a non OS app, can I?
Nov 23 20:05:13 <summatusmentis> is this the point where I yell at you about not already having released your source?
Nov 23 20:06:00 <dohtem> summatusmentis: nope. :)
Nov 23 20:06:13 <dohtem> I actually wont mind releasing it
Nov 23 20:06:38 <summatusmentis> ok, nevermind then
Nov 23 20:06:49 <summatusmentis> oh oh, I meant swisstomcat
Nov 23 20:07:12 <summatusmentis> but you should release whatever your app is too :)
Nov 23 20:07:26 <swisstomcat> summatusmentis: yeah, yeah .. i should put it on github
Nov 23 20:07:33 <dohtem> teh githubs!
Nov 23 20:07:56 * dohtem is looking for black friday mobo deals 
Nov 23 20:08:06 <summatusmentis> swisstomcat: just trolling, nbd
Nov 23 20:08:13 <swisstomcat> :)
Nov 23 20:08:57 <summatusmentis> dohtem: I'm hoping to see capacitive, 10" tablet deals
Nov 23 20:09:01 <summatusmentis> but I don't expect I will
Nov 23 20:09:35 <dohtem> Android?
Nov 23 20:09:43 <mbarvian> can someone elaborate on the setSnapIndex method of the mojo scroller?
Nov 23 20:09:44 <swisstomcat> the archos ones?
Nov 23 20:10:06 <sugardave> mbarvian: I believe it goes hand-in-hand with snapElements
Nov 23 20:10:18 <sugardave> and you're telling it which snapELement to snap to
Nov 23 20:10:38 <mbarvian> sugardave: but it says it takes a number (?)
Nov 23 20:11:03 <sugardave> right, the index of the snapELements array
Nov 23 20:12:15 <sugardave> snapElements is an array of elements, like every row could have a <div class="snap"></div> in it, and you could make the snapElements array be: $A(this.controller.select('.snap'));
Nov 23 20:12:45 <mbarvian> sugardave: ah, I see
Nov 23 20:12:55 <mbarvian> sugardave: should I set it on setup?
Nov 23 20:13:01 <mugen[bounced]> o\ SineOt
Nov 23 20:13:30 <SineOt> hey mugen[bounced]
Nov 23 20:13:40 <sugardave> You can't do it until after all the elements you want to snap to exist, so it kind of depends on how you're set up
Nov 23 20:14:08 <mbarvian> sugardave: also, how do I actually call the method? It says to call it on Mojo.Widget.Scroller. ?
Nov 23 20:14:19 <sugardave> mbarvian: Ares or Mojo?
Nov 23 20:14:24 <mbarvian> sugardave: Mojo
Nov 23 20:14:25 <sugardave> guess it doesn't matter
Nov 23 20:14:27 <sugardave> ok
Nov 23 20:14:31 <mugen> grrr nickserv
Nov 23 20:14:36 <sugardave> you get the scroller element
Nov 23 20:14:45 <mbarvian> sugardave: this.controller.get?
Nov 23 20:14:49 <sugardave> right
Nov 23 20:15:04 <sugardave> element.mojo.[method] is how you run those methods that are in the docs
Nov 23 20:15:13 <mbarvian> sugardave: it says the method doesn't exist?
Nov 23 20:15:26 <mbarvian> I did this.controller.get("pageScroller").setSnapIndex(0, true);
Nov 23 20:15:43 <sugardave> this.controller.get(scrollerId).mojo.setSnapIndex(0, true);
Nov 23 20:15:58 <sugardave> it's the mojo part
Nov 23 20:16:20 <mbarvian> sugardave: yeah it said the html object doesn't have that method
Nov 23 20:16:26 <sugardave> mojo?
Nov 23 20:16:27 <mugen-> http://goo.gl/twn2p
Nov 23 20:16:41 <mbarvian> sugardave: yes
Nov 23 20:17:23 <sugardave> then you don't have the scroller widget
Nov 23 20:17:33 <sugardave> it will have a mojo property
Nov 23 20:17:38 <sugardave> and that is where the method is
Nov 23 20:17:43 <sugardave> element.mojo.method()
Nov 23 20:17:54 <mbarvian> ah
Nov 23 20:17:55 <mbarvian> gotcha
Nov 23 20:17:57 <sugardave> it has to be a widget
Nov 23 20:19:47 <mbarvian> sugardave: i declared it as a widget using this. here's my code (that's not working):
Nov 23 20:19:48 <mbarvian> http://pastie.org/1320955
Nov 23 20:22:39 <sugardave> mojo
Nov 23 20:22:40 <sugardave> not Mojo
Nov 23 20:23:11 <sugardave> mbarvian: ^^^
Nov 23 20:23:42 <mbarvian> still a no go
Nov 23 20:23:56 <mbarvian> Cannot call method 'setSnapIndex' of object
Nov 23 20:24:57 <pandora--> wassat?
Nov 23 20:25:23 <mbarvian> sugardave: any other ideas?
Nov 23 20:29:23 <sugardave> mbarvian: this is what I do in my setup: http://webos.pastebin.com/AUPbRwA7
Nov 23 20:32:01 <sugardave> mbarvian: and I call this method in activate: http://webos.pastebin.com/CgzQQDAU
Nov 23 20:32:36 <mbarvian> sugardave: what are you doing when you say
Nov 23 20:32:44 <mbarvian> 'snapIndex': this.snapElement?
Nov 23 20:33:32 <sugardave> that's the starting element, I keep a reference to it, let me see what it's default is
Nov 23 20:33:44 <sugardave> 0
Nov 23 20:34:14 <sugardave> then I update this.snapElement any time the scroller moves
Nov 23 20:34:38 <mbarvian> sugardave: do you have to setSnapIndex, or does it just default to 0? I'm just asking cause it's acting weird: it doesn't actually start snapping until I hold my finger on it and then drag
Nov 23 20:35:03 <sugardave> it's for a progress bar, so you can skip keeping track of it if you want
Nov 23 20:36:49 <sugardave> yeah, there was some weirdness I had to do
Nov 23 20:37:10 <mbarvian> sugardave: such as? I'm also getting weird things with margins and such.
Nov 23 20:39:09 <mbarvian> it doesn't really work as intended
Nov 23 20:39:29 <mbarvian> should the snap element be at the left of where you want it to snap to?
Nov 23 20:41:58 <sugardave> what does your item template look like?
Nov 23 20:42:08 <mbarvian> sugardave: it's not a list
Nov 23 20:42:40 <sugardave> oic
Nov 23 20:42:42 <mbarvian> sugardave: it's the bottom container of buttons here:
Nov 23 20:42:42 <sugardave> not sure
Nov 23 20:42:43 <mbarvian> www.imgftw.net/img//994030446.png
Nov 23 20:43:48 <SineOt> mbarvian: that's a really good looking app!
Nov 23 20:43:55 <mbarvian> SineOt: thank you!
Nov 23 20:45:38 <sugardave> mbarvian: so you drag one button set to get to another, or only when you tap those dots at the bottom?
Nov 23 20:45:59 <mbarvian> sugardave: you can't tap the dots. they just show you what page youre on.  it's only when you drag
Nov 23 20:46:37 <SineOt> Yeah, those dots would be terrible UX targets since they're... Well, tiny.
Nov 23 20:46:57 <mbarvian> SineOt: I agree
Nov 23 20:47:15 <SineOt> as indicators though, they're just right ;3
Nov 23 20:47:26 <sugardave> well, all I can suggest is make sure that the snap element is the one that wraps all the content that makes up each panel
Nov 23 20:47:41 <mbarvian> sugardave: it is. it's a td
Nov 23 20:48:03 <sugardave> erg
Nov 23 20:48:04 <mbarvian> SineOt: thanks :)
Nov 23 20:48:07 <sugardave> tables BAAAD
Nov 23 20:48:18 <mbarvian> sugardave: I know. but I couldn't figure out how to do it with divs
Nov 23 20:48:23 <SineOt> mbarvian: have you looked at the Featured Apps scroller thing example?
Nov 23 20:48:38 <mbarvian> SineOt: yeah I have. and there was another app that did it
Nov 23 20:48:55 <sugardave> <scroller><div1><table of buttons></div1><div2><table of buttons></div2>
Nov 23 20:49:07 <mbarvian> sugardave: ah I see
Nov 23 20:49:10 <SineOt> mbarvian: with Divs, did you try some of the terrible, terrible, terrible hacky display: types? XD
Nov 23 20:49:11 <sugardave> div 1 and div 2 are, of course, the snap elements
Nov 23 20:49:20 <mbarvian> sugardave: I see
Nov 23 20:49:34 <mbarvian> sugardave: what width should I make the scroller then? the width of div1 and div2 combined?
Nov 23 20:49:36 <SineOt> display: inline-block, display: table-column, etc
Nov 23 20:49:50 <mbarvian> SineOt: lol haven't tried those.  I arrange all the buttons as divs though
Nov 23 20:50:00 <mbarvian> I only use tables to seperate the pages of buttons
Nov 23 20:50:07 <SineOt> they let you do all sorts of weird, weird things
Nov 23 20:50:42 <mbarvian> sugardave: do you think the problem might be that I am using tables?
Nov 23 20:50:43 <sugardave> scroller width should be screen width
Nov 23 20:50:47 <SineOt> inline-block gives you a block element that behaves like something inline, which is handy for a lot of things
Nov 23 20:51:00 <mbarvian> SineOt: I've played around with inline-block.  it is indeed weird
Nov 23 20:51:03 <kesne> Oh boy!
Nov 23 20:51:34 <SineOt> what's weird is table, table-row, and table-cell
Nov 23 20:51:45 <SineOt> it basically lets you build a table but with Divs instead! :V
Nov 23 20:52:09 <mbarvian> SineOt: lol
Nov 23 20:52:14 <sugardave> the only time I ever use tables in a webOS app is for dividers
Nov 23 20:52:35 <mbarvian> SineOt: what width should be the wrapper? cause if I don't set a big width, they just stack vertically :?
Nov 23 20:53:02 <SineOt> From when I've played with side to side scrolly things I've just set the wrapper to content+content2
Nov 23 20:53:15 <sugardave> mbarvian: I think I understand what you're problem might be
Nov 23 20:53:18 <SineOt> Maybe this would be a perfect spot to use css3 flexboxes, idk
Nov 23 20:53:23 <mbarvian> sugardave: what?!
Nov 23 20:56:10 <sugardave> you need a list and not a table
Nov 23 20:56:14 <hotdp> mbarvian: you can monitor if a var changes..
Nov 23 20:56:28 <mbarvian> sugardave: you need a list? of what?
Nov 23 20:56:31 <mbarvian> hotdp: how? :)
Nov 23 20:56:50 <sugardave> <div class="palm-list">
Nov 23 20:57:00 <sugardave> check them out in Style Matters
Nov 23 20:57:01 <mbarvian> sugardave: what would it hold, in this case?
Nov 23 20:57:08 <sugardave> palm-rows
Nov 23 20:57:12 <sugardave> which hold the buttons
Nov 23 20:57:17 <mbarvian> sugardave: ugh
Nov 23 20:57:26 <sugardave> it's like 3 divs
Nov 23 20:57:29 <mbarvian> sugardave: I'll probably just think of a different way to do it
Nov 23 20:57:35 <mugen-> lol
Nov 23 20:57:36 <sugardave> okay
Nov 23 20:57:43 <mbarvian> sugardave: lol thanks for your help though
Nov 23 20:57:43 <mugen-> damn you mojo
Nov 23 20:58:21 <hotdp> mbarvian: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1759987/detect-variable-change-in-javascript
Nov 23 20:58:29 * sugardave enjoys his horizontally scrolling snapping-to-elements app.
Nov 23 20:58:58 <mbarvian> sugardave: do you use lists? :)
Nov 23 20:59:02 <sugardave> yep
Nov 23 20:59:06 <sugardave> all the time
Nov 23 20:59:13 <mbarvian> sugardave: damn. that sounds soooo ugly though
Nov 23 20:59:21 <SineOt> ugh... why do routers exist in this day and age that don't support uPNP or NAT-PMP?
Nov 23 20:59:23 <mbarvian> sugardave: the code is all clean now, with now lists or rows
Nov 23 20:59:34 <mbarvian> SineOt: I wondered the same when I bought mine
Nov 23 20:59:35 <mugen-> sine, to make your life hellish
Nov 23 20:59:36 <sugardave> in my case the list is dynamic, so easier to set up, but you alreadyhave div-ed out panels for the buttons right?
Nov 23 20:59:56 <mbarvian> sugardave: don't know what you mean by panels
Nov 23 21:00:18 <sugardave> mbarvian: basically the contents of your table cells
Nov 23 21:00:24 <mbarvian> sugardave: yeah
Nov 23 21:00:30 <sugardave> are "panels" of buttons, yeah?
Nov 23 21:00:48 <mbarvian> sugaradave: yeah. except the buttons aren't in table cells. just the different pages of buttons are
Nov 23 21:00:57 <mbarvian> the buttons are just floating to the left
Nov 23 21:01:01 <KGF2009> Can the version be only numbers?
Nov 23 21:01:08 <sugardave> mbarvian: paste your html please
Nov 23 21:01:14 <mbarvian> sugardave: np
Nov 23 21:01:35 <mbarvian> http://pastie.org/1321062
Nov 23 21:02:46 <sugardave> and a shot of screen 2
Nov 23 21:04:42 <mbarvian> sugardave: same as screen 1, just a sine button
Nov 23 21:05:06 <SineOt> a sine button :V
Nov 23 21:05:16 <InfiniteLoop> has anyone noticed this bug in the Clock app's alarm feature:  say I have a alarm for 6am and I switch off the device before this time and turn it back on way after the target time, the alarm still goes off. Im not sure if its a feature or a bug
Nov 23 21:05:19 <mugen-> oh god... it's going to go to his head now
Nov 23 21:05:19 <mbarvian> SineOt: sorry. should it be spelled sine?
Nov 23 21:05:41 <mbarvian> SineOt: on most calculators its sin. didn't want any confusion
Nov 23 21:05:45 <mugen-> soon we'll all be able to push Sine's button
Nov 23 21:05:52 <SineOt> mbarvian: no it's a terrible joke given my name :T
Nov 23 21:05:54 <mbarvian> ah
Nov 23 21:05:55 <SineOt> haha
Nov 23 21:05:55 <mbarvian> nvm
Nov 23 21:05:56 <mbarvian> haha
Nov 23 21:06:07 <mbarvian> did you have it in mind when you set your nickname? :)
Nov 23 21:06:13 * SineOt spins around
Nov 23 21:06:24 * mugen- presses the sine button
Nov 23 21:06:26 <sugardave> mbarvian: yes, where is it, though, I want to see
Nov 23 21:06:37 <SineOt> Years ago, yeah :]
Nov 23 21:06:51 <mbarvian> SineOt: what's the Ot stand for?
Nov 23 21:07:00 <wastrel> linux
Nov 23 21:07:01 <sugardave> Otter
Nov 23 21:07:06 <SineOt> Otter :T
Nov 23 21:07:10 <mbarvian> sugardave: don't have a screenshot.  I just take the scroller out so I can't provide one sorry.
Nov 23 21:07:20 <SineOt> yeah, what sugardave said. No idea how he figured that out but yeah
Nov 23 21:07:22 <mbarvian> sugardave: it's hidden. it's to the right of the first page of buttons
Nov 23 21:07:28 <mbarvian> haha
Nov 23 21:07:29 <SineOt> my terrible secret is out
Nov 23 21:07:34 <mugen-> hehe
Nov 23 21:07:39 <mbarvian> SineOt: why'd you pick sine?
Nov 23 21:07:41 * sugardave notices things sometimes.
Nov 23 21:07:45 <Roy-Pre101> Rick_work: Made it home, did you?
Nov 23 21:07:47 <mbarvian> why not TangentOt?
Nov 23 21:07:54 <Roy-Pre101> sugardave: Howdy Dave!
Nov 23 21:07:54 <SineOt> because sine waves go up and down, up and down :p
Nov 23 21:08:08 <mbarvian> SineOt: does that describe your personality or something? lol
Nov 23 21:08:14 <mbarvian> mugen: haha
Nov 23 21:08:19 <SineOt> yes, haha
Nov 23 21:08:25 <mbarvian> SineOt: I see
Nov 23 21:08:26 * SineOt smushes CosOt
Nov 23 21:08:26 <swisstomcat> hey roy-pre101
Nov 23 21:08:28 <CosOt> i am Sine's nemesis!
Nov 23 21:08:31 * CosOt flexes
Nov 23 21:08:33 <sugardave> Roy-Pre101: hey!  it was good to meet you in the fles, though didn't get more than a "hey" before the excitement broke out :D
Nov 23 21:08:38 <sugardave> flesh, too
Nov 23 21:08:58 <Roy-Pre101> heh
Nov 23 21:09:01 <Roy-Pre101> Hey swisstomcat
Nov 23 21:09:06 <Roy-Pre101> And everyone else, too.
Nov 23 21:09:09 <mugen-> o/
Nov 23 21:09:33 <Roy-Pre101> Ugh, NY germs got me, I'm coming down with a cold now.
Nov 23 21:09:41 <mbarvian> sucks
Nov 23 21:09:42 <mugen-> :\
Nov 23 21:09:43 <sugardave> lame :( so far so good for me
Nov 23 21:09:54 <mugen-> how cold was it while you all were there?
Nov 23 21:09:55 <sugardave> a few people have said they got sick/a cold
Nov 23 21:10:16 <Roy-Pre101> Wasn't too cold.
Nov 23 21:10:22 <SineOt> it's the developer version of concrud
Nov 23 21:10:36 <sugardave> not horrible, but cold enough to need my coat when I didn't have it, upper 30s mid 40s?
Nov 23 21:10:37 <SineOt> you put enough people in a small space like that and someone is bound to get everyone else sick
Nov 23 21:10:49 <mugen-> true
Nov 23 21:10:55 <Roy-Pre101> I think I'll take a nap. :/
Nov 23 21:11:04 <sugardave> theraflu helps sleep :D
Nov 23 21:11:12 <sugardave> tastes horrible
Nov 23 21:11:19 <mbarvian> lol
Nov 23 21:12:06 <whoolio> i got sick saturday too
Nov 23 21:12:26 <whoolio> usually take a few days to get sick after visiting NYC
Nov 23 21:12:27 <sugardave> mbarvian: see, I'm confused...if it's just one button different, why use a scroller to move it?  could hide it off-screen and slide it in via css
Nov 23 21:12:50 <SineOt> sugardave: because it looks cool *cough*
Nov 23 21:12:53 <mbarvian> sugardave: i wanted it to scroll with your finger
Nov 23 21:12:59 <mbarvian> SineOt: and because it looks cool haha
Nov 23 21:13:22 <SineOt> remember: ROCKSTAR GRAPHICS
Nov 23 21:13:31 <sugardave> detect a drag and fake it
Nov 23 21:13:37 * sugardave is a big fan of cheating.
Nov 23 21:13:41 <mbarvian> sugardave: can I have it follow your finger?
Nov 23 21:13:48 <sugardave> sure
Nov 23 21:13:49 <SineOt> hey mbarvian: want my animated rainbow css code for a special bonus secret option for something? haha
Nov 23 21:13:56 <mbarvian> sugardave: sign me up!
Nov 23 21:14:07 <mbarvian> SineOt: haha. it'll be an easter egg in a calculator app
Nov 23 21:14:15 <sugardave> well, it's possible, I'm sure it's not any easier
Nov 23 21:14:34 <mugen-> i hate that recommendation in webOS development
Nov 23 21:14:40 <mugen-> "...then fake it"
Nov 23 21:14:42 <sugardave> have to detect a drag, get coordinates, then set the proper left/right/top/bottom for the button so that it looks like it follows your finger
Nov 23 21:14:46 <mugen-> see it entirely too much :P
Nov 23 21:14:53 <SineOt> "... put a donk on it"
Nov 23 21:14:55 <mbarvian> sugardave: yeah. sounds choppy
Nov 23 21:15:06 <mugen-> what, what... in the...
Nov 23 21:15:15 <SineOt> *techno music starts playing and calculator keys begin cycling through the rainbow*
Nov 23 21:15:20 <mugen-> lol
Nov 23 21:15:22 <mbarvian> sugardave: scriptaculous is good for dragging. and it's just an extension of prototype
Nov 23 21:15:29 <mugen-> uh'ch'uh'ch'uh'ch
Nov 23 21:15:29 <SineOt> *buttons fly all over the screen*
Nov 23 21:15:36 <mbarvian> sugardave: but I would rather use a scroller. are you sure it has to be done with lists? :)
Nov 23 21:15:39 <sugardave> snapping to elements is pretty choppy, iirc
Nov 23 21:16:06 <mbarvian> sugardave: yeah.
Nov 23 21:16:15 <SineOt> the Featured Apps example does it pretty smooth, even on my Pixi
Nov 23 21:16:23 <mbarvian> SineOt: using a scroller :(
Nov 23 21:16:37 <SineOt> oh yeah, one of those things
Nov 23 21:16:38 <dawm> odd..
Nov 23 21:16:42 <mbarvian> btw, is the featured apps not working for anyone else? says it can't connect to the catalog
Nov 23 21:16:46 <sugardave> no, I'm not 100% sure, but your use of the scroller doesn't mimic what I would normally use it for (i.e. your things you want to "scroll" aren't really full sets of even things)...does that make sense?
Nov 23 21:16:50 <dawm> portal says my app was published but its not in the catalog as updated
Nov 23 21:17:06 <SineOt> mbarvian: oh, you know, I just went to launch it to fiddle with it, and it gave me that same error
Nov 23 21:17:12 <SineOt> OH! I found the weirdest thing yesterday
Nov 23 21:17:15 <sugardave> like where is the sine button scrolling to and what is it "replacing"?  where does that go?
Nov 23 21:17:19 <mugen-> sine, ?
Nov 23 21:17:30 <SineOt> Apparently webOS has support for running while in USB mode
Nov 23 21:17:39 <mugen-> eh?
Nov 23 21:17:50 <SineOt> I somehow managed to get my Pixi to stick thinking it was running in USB disk mode, and Photos said "Please eject your device before using Photos"
Nov 23 21:17:53 <mbarvian> sugardave: it's just like an iPhone home screen. all the buttons on the screenshot are on the first "page", and the sine button is on the second "page".
Nov 23 21:18:06 <SineOt> Same with music and the other media apps
Nov 23 21:18:12 <mugen-> hmm
Nov 23 21:18:13 <sugardave> so all the first page buttons disappear when you get to this one button?
Nov 23 21:19:06 <SineOt> So it's either left over code from way back when you could mount your phone in USB mode and keep running, or it's code that found itself in 1.4.5 in anticipation of later changes
Nov 23 21:19:32 <SineOt> because I can't think of any other reason to code in that check and error messages if it was never possible/never will be possible
Nov 23 21:20:07 <mbarvian> sugardave: yes. they scroll to the left
Nov 23 21:20:08 <mugen-> i'm willing to bet the latter
Nov 23 21:20:23 <mugen-> actually
Nov 23 21:20:27 <mbarvian> sugardave: I'm going to put a lot more buttons on the second page.  I just put the sine button there for starters
Nov 23 21:20:39 <mugen-> it would make more sense that it was left over code
Nov 23 21:20:50 <mugen-> thinking they might go down the road with expandable memory?
Nov 23 21:20:50 <sugardave> mbarvian: if you scroll to the sine button and all the other buttons are gone until you scroll them back, then what you are describing is a list of palm-rows that contain "panels" (just a div wrapper, the snapelement) of buttons
Nov 23 21:21:12 <mbarvian> sugardave: would each panel just be one row? or would I have to break it up?
Nov 23 21:21:22 <sugardave> one row per button panel
Nov 23 21:21:33 <mugen-> either way, i think you're right...
Nov 23 21:21:35 <SineOt> mugen-: I think they could just do it by having the memory be split/partitioned differently, so you can mount the /internal/ without having to lock everything else
Nov 23 21:21:45 <kesne> Anybody here good with PHP?
Nov 23 21:21:47 <SineOt> but who knows. WebOS at some point apparently had that ability
Nov 23 21:21:54 <mugen-> ...yeah
Nov 23 21:22:00 <sugardave> scroller > list > palm-row-wrapper > palm-row > button panel
Nov 23 21:22:03 <mugen-> kesne, it's been a while... what's up?
Nov 23 21:22:12 <mbarvian> sugardave: god. that's a lot of code
Nov 23 21:22:18 <sugardave> no it isn't
Nov 23 21:22:27 <kesne> mugen-: What do you mean it's been a while?
Nov 23 21:22:31 <sugardave> it's like 5 extra lines of html per button panel
Nov 23 21:22:43 <sugardave> mbarvian: do you have Style Matters installed?
Nov 23 21:22:43 <mugen-> i used to play with php back in the day before rails got big
Nov 23 21:22:50 <kesne> Ah gotchya
Nov 23 21:23:02 <kesne> mySQL select statments via PHP, are they case sensative?
Nov 23 21:23:14 <mugen-> no
Nov 23 21:23:19 <kesne> Good good
Nov 23 21:23:31 <mbarvian> sugardave: I do
Nov 23 21:23:36 <kesne> I just thought of that, and how if they were, I'd have to redo a hell of a lot of code
Nov 23 21:24:03 <mugen-> how come you're not using rails?
Nov 23 21:24:11 <mugen-> (kind of a cocky question)
Nov 23 21:24:23 <mugen-> but it's so much quicker to dev on for webapps
Nov 23 21:24:24 <kesne> Never learned it
Nov 23 21:24:35 <sugardave> mbarvian: look at the static list examples and all you need is the palm-list once and then one set of palm-row-wrapper > palm-row per panel
Nov 23 21:24:38 <kesne> And all that I'm using the PHP backend for is services
Nov 23 21:24:45 <sugardave> it's very similar to what you have already, just not in a table
Nov 23 21:24:49 <mbarvian> sugardave: and then I'll be able to scroll fine?
Nov 23 21:24:54 <kesne> It's a few PHP files which you pass variables to
Nov 23 21:25:01 <mugen-> gothca :)
Nov 23 21:25:04 <mugen-> *gotcha
Nov 23 21:25:12 <kesne> Yeah, just trying to finish up the message system
Nov 23 21:25:13 <sugardave> mbarvian: I can't guarantee that, but it is the method that I have working for a horizontal scroller
Nov 23 21:25:24 <mugen-> sweet
Nov 23 21:25:29 <mbarvian> sugardave: alright. sounds good. I'll give it a go in a little bit
Nov 23 21:25:53 <kesne> mugen-: Any thoughts on how I would do threaded messaging off the top of your head?
Nov 23 21:26:16 <sugardave> parent and child ids of messages
Nov 23 21:26:20 <mugen->  uid group msgs
Nov 23 21:26:30 <kesne> Hmm
Nov 23 21:26:35 <mugen-> then like dave said
Nov 23 21:27:24 <kesne> What if I just passed the parent id when replying, and store that
Nov 23 21:27:37 <kesne> And grab threads by a big message ID
Nov 23 21:27:48 <mugen-> meh
Nov 23 21:27:51 <kesne> meh?
Nov 23 21:28:02 <mugen-> hehe... yeah
Nov 23 21:28:11 <mugen-> it's just "yeah... sure"
Nov 23 21:28:14 <kesne> Any reason why I WOULDN'T do that?
Nov 23 21:28:19 <kesne> or shouldn't
Nov 23 21:28:30 <mugen-> future functionality
Nov 23 21:28:40 <kesne> hmm
Nov 23 21:28:41 <mugen-> depends on if parent/child uid would be important
Nov 23 21:28:44 <kesne> And what would that be?
Nov 23 21:28:46 <sugardave> kesne: what if you want to get replies of a reply
Nov 23 21:28:52 <mugen-> exactly
Nov 23 21:28:52 <sugardave> instead of all replies to a p[arent
Nov 23 21:29:04 <kesne> Damn
Nov 23 21:29:17 <kesne> Just reply to the parent
Nov 23 21:29:19 <kesne> sort via time
Nov 23 21:29:30 <mugen-> yeah, that gets icky though
Nov 23 21:29:39 <kesne> Yeah
Nov 23 21:29:52 <kesne> Why am I writing this, you people are clearly more qualified
Nov 23 21:29:56 <mugen-> lol
Nov 23 21:29:58 <kesne> hehe
Nov 23 21:29:59 <sugardave> each reply should be treated as an individual message, just like the parent
Nov 23 21:30:00 <mugen-> it's your brain child :)
Nov 23 21:30:26 <sugardave> as far as id purposes are concerned, imo
Nov 23 21:30:45 <mugen-> yeah, i'm with dave on this...
Nov 23 21:30:49 <kesne> I really shouldn't be making this
Nov 23 21:30:56 <mugen-> why not?
Nov 23 21:30:58 <sugardave> and then every reply has to specify a parent id of either a true parent, or a reply of that parent
Nov 23 21:31:04 <kesne> Mostly school, actually, heh
Nov 23 21:31:20 <mugen-> that's a cop out... you have all the time in the world to finish it
Nov 23 21:31:27 <kesne> Hehe, not really
Nov 23 21:31:40 <mugen-> are you obligated through contract?
Nov 23 21:31:51 <kesne> Pretty much, yeah
Nov 23 21:32:01 <mugen-> doh
Nov 23 21:32:04 <kesne> heh
Nov 23 21:32:09 <kesne> It's pretty flexable
Nov 23 21:32:18 <kesne> But still
Nov 23 21:35:46 <mbarvian> kesne: are you in high school?
Nov 23 21:35:52 <kesne> yessir
Nov 23 21:36:21 <sugardave> not right now
Nov 23 21:36:41 <kesne> Oh
Nov 23 21:36:46 <kesne> Well, in general, yes
Nov 23 21:41:21 <mbarvian> kesne: what year?
Nov 23 21:46:29 <nyceane_> codeslaw, are you here?
Nov 23 21:47:25 <nyceane_> kesne, were you in pdk competiton?
Nov 23 21:49:33 <Robdor> nyceane_: Were you in the pdk contest?
Nov 23 21:50:07 <nyceane_> yah, were you?
Nov 23 21:51:04 <Robdor> I was. Did you get your winnings yet?
Nov 23 21:51:18 <nyceane_> I didn't get my laptop yet
Nov 23 21:51:29 <nyceane_> was gona use that to do WebOS 2.0 since I didnt wana screw up this computer
Nov 23 21:51:35 <nyceane_> and was gona use that to run Civ 5
Nov 23 21:51:38 <nyceane_> since my mac doesnt run it
Nov 23 21:51:52 <mbarvian> does anyone know if webOS 2.0 is coming to the older devices?
Nov 23 21:52:15 <rwhitby> "in the coming months"
Nov 23 21:52:21 <sugardave> "soon"
Nov 23 21:52:45 <bpadalino> in other words: yes
Nov 23 21:54:49 <kesne> I was not
Nov 23 21:54:56 <kesne> And mbarvian, I'm a junior
Nov 23 21:55:07 <mbarvian> kesne: sweet. I'm a senior
Nov 23 21:55:18 <kesne> Oh? That's cool
Nov 23 21:55:32 <nyceane_> google keeps deprecating classes
Nov 23 21:55:35 <nyceane_> this is rediclulus =_=
Nov 23 21:55:42 <kesne> nice shades
Nov 23 21:55:44 <mugen-> welcome to the world of google
Nov 23 21:56:32 <wastrel> google hates bad classes
Nov 23 21:58:43 <mbarvian> kesne: what app are you making?
Nov 23 21:58:49 <mbarvian> kesne: just looked at the logs
Nov 23 21:59:15 <kesne> mbarvian: Right now, just working on villo, so no apps now
Nov 23 21:59:23 <mbarvian> kesne: ah
Nov 23 21:59:36 <nyceane_> freaking a, getMonth() gets deprecated?
Nov 23 21:59:37 <nyceane_> wtf
Nov 23 22:00:06 <nyceane_> i fuking hate open source
Nov 23 22:01:14 <kesne> mbarvian: I have a few apps out though
Nov 23 22:01:18 <kesne> mbarvian: What about you?
Nov 23 22:01:35 <mbarvian> kesne: just one. working on another. here's a screenie:
Nov 23 22:01:35 <mbarvian> www.imgftw.net/img//994030446.png
Nov 23 22:01:46 <mbarvian> kesne: wasn't content with all the other calculators out there.
Nov 23 22:01:53 <mbarvian> kesne: and I've got weight tracker:
Nov 23 22:01:54 <kesne> Oh, I've seen that before
Nov 23 22:02:07 <mbarvian> kesne: what about you?
Nov 23 22:02:07 <mbarvian> :)
Nov 23 22:02:19 <sugardave> "This App Does Nothing"
Nov 23 22:02:22 <kesne> I told you how to do the scrolling pages
Nov 23 22:02:28 <kesne> Yeah, I made that app
Nov 23 22:02:29 <mbarvian> kesne: ah. yes
Nov 23 22:02:41 <kesne> Oh, I also made Checkers
Nov 23 22:02:47 <sugardave> and kesne is the CEO of Brighthouse Labs
Nov 23 22:02:49 <mbarvian> kesne: cool cool
Nov 23 22:02:51 <kesne> Haha
Nov 23 22:02:55 <sugardave> lol
Nov 23 22:02:56 <mbarvian> CEO at age 16?
Nov 23 22:03:01 <kesne> Checkers is what what I'm know for
Nov 23 22:03:05 <kesne> mbarvian: It's a joke
Nov 23 22:03:13 <mbarvian> kesne: lol kinda figured
Nov 23 22:03:20 <kesne> I'm CEO of Keen Studios
Nov 23 22:03:48 <sugardave> how did Planet Eaters do?
Nov 23 22:03:53 <kesne> Meh
Nov 23 22:03:57 <sugardave> or how does it do, I guess?
Nov 23 22:04:07 <kesne> Not very good
Nov 23 22:04:11 <sugardave> bummer
Nov 23 22:04:17 <kesne> That's why I focus on Checkers
Nov 23 22:04:19 <kesne> That beast...
Nov 23 22:04:23 <kesne> 400,000 downloads
Nov 23 22:04:23 <sugardave> yeah
Nov 23 22:05:03 <mbarvian> kesne: you've made around $280,000?!
Nov 23 22:05:13 <kesne> No sir
Nov 23 22:05:21 <sugardave> mbarvian: that's not unique downloads
Nov 23 22:05:27 <mbarvian> oh
Nov 23 22:05:29 <mbarvian> whew
Nov 23 22:05:33 <mbarvian> close one
Nov 23 22:05:59 <kesne> Well, there are like 250,000 unique downloads...
Nov 23 22:06:03 <kesne> But, it's a free app
Nov 23 22:06:07 <sugardave> hehe
Nov 23 22:06:13 <mbarvian> kesne: ah. I'm looking at Checkers Pro
Nov 23 22:06:17 <kesne> Yeah
Nov 23 22:06:24 <kesne> That's being phased out
Nov 23 22:06:43 <kesne> Eventually, we'll push an update that will give users free Villo Credit for downloading it.
Nov 23 22:06:45 <mbarvian> kesne: cool. nice looking app. how'd you code the computer?
Nov 23 22:06:56 <kesne> mbarvian: Open source checkers engine
Nov 23 22:07:09 <mbarvian> kesne: ah. I was gonna say. seems like quite the undertaking
Nov 23 22:07:15 <mbarvian> kesne: was it in js?
Nov 23 22:07:21 <kesne> I've rewritten lots of it over time though
Nov 23 22:07:22 <kesne> yeah
Nov 23 22:07:27 <mbarvian> kesne: very cool
Nov 23 22:07:37 <kesne> Started as a port
Nov 23 22:07:43 <mbarvian> kesne: how long have you been doing js and such?
Nov 23 22:07:46 <sugardave> okay, so you know how when you webkit-transition the opacity of something, but the text inside just goes from full to nothing without fading?  how do you fix that?
Nov 23 22:07:49 <kesne> hmm
Nov 23 22:08:00 <kesne> sugardave: rgba
Nov 23 22:08:03 <mbarvian> sugardave: usually the text stays the same for me?
Nov 23 22:08:10 <sugardave> it's a list
Nov 23 22:08:16 <kesne> rgba!
Nov 23 22:08:19 <mbarvian> lol
Nov 23 22:08:28 <kesne> seriously though, rgba
Nov 23 22:08:33 <mbarvian> rgba?
Nov 23 22:08:44 <sugardave> rgba will only work for the text....but I need to fade out the list, too
Nov 23 22:08:52 <kesne> rgba the background?
Nov 23 22:09:00 <sugardave> hmmm
Nov 23 22:09:27 <kesne> mbarvian: About 2 years now
Nov 23 22:09:41 <dgathright> Sometimes I wish Palm were more like Apple.  Announce something the day it is released.  Waiting 3-4 months for Enyo is going to be brutal.
Nov 23 22:09:51 <mbarvian> kesne: cool. do you do any computer programming? or just web technologies?
Nov 23 22:10:02 <kesne> dgathright: They said beginning next year
Nov 23 22:10:09 <kesne> dgathright: Like, Jn
Nov 23 22:10:11 <kesne> *jan
Nov 23 22:10:22 <kesne> mbarvian: I know a few C-Based programming languages
Nov 23 22:10:30 <mbarvian> kesne: cool
Nov 23 22:10:46 <dgathright> Call me pessimistic, but I'd tack a few months onto that release date.
Nov 23 22:11:00 <mbarvian> dgathright: yeah I know. enyo sounds amazing
Nov 23 22:11:18 <dgathright> Palm isn't known for shipping things on-time, heh
Nov 23 22:11:21 <SineOt> I just hope the EAP for Enyo is sooner rather than later
Nov 23 22:11:25 <sugardave> that's just going to be for early access
Nov 23 22:11:35 <sugardave> Enyo won't be on phones for a while
Nov 23 22:11:49 <SineOt> I really should have sprung for the 4GB option for my Mini... :<
Nov 23 22:12:40 <halfhalo> I has 5gbs in my mini
Nov 23 22:12:55 <destinal> yeah beginning of year for early access devs to get Enyo I think is what they said
Nov 23 22:13:09 <sugardave> agree
Nov 23 22:13:20 <SineOt> here's hoping that "beginning of year" means January 1st, 12:01AM XD
Nov 23 22:13:37 <sugardave> meh, up to Jan 14th before I start getting nervous
Nov 23 22:13:52 <destinal> SineOt: sure, they'll have some guy working on new years eve by himself
Nov 23 22:13:55 <SineOt> halfhalo: I what. 3gb+2gb? P:
Nov 23 22:14:09 <mugen-> yeah, 5gb doesn't make sense :P
Nov 23 22:14:12 <halfhalo> No, 4 and 1
Nov 23 22:14:24 <sugardave> destinal: if there were somehow we could have an automated, date-based system to allow access to things...
Nov 23 22:14:28 <SineOt> destinal: CRON JOBS
Nov 23 22:14:33 <mugen-> and you don't get random weird errors halo?
Nov 23 22:14:46 <SineOt> replace him with a tiny shell script
Nov 23 22:14:55 <destinal> sugardave: SineOt  lol, yes, I've heard of this cron thing
Nov 23 22:14:59 <sugardave> haha
Nov 23 22:15:48 <halfhalo> Nope, no errors.  Why would there be?
Nov 23 22:16:04 <mugen-> ram size mismatch
Nov 23 22:16:17 <mugen-> some mobo's chipsets, etc don't handle that very well
Nov 23 22:16:28 <mugen-> i guess apple took that into consideration
Nov 23 22:16:43 <SineOt> it wouldn't run in dual channel, but yeah that's about it
Nov 23 22:16:45 <halfhalo> I have never come across a post DDR Moho that needed pAired ram
Nov 23 22:16:58 <halfhalo> ...
Nov 23 22:16:58 <mugen-> sine, yeah... dual channel is out of the question entirely
Nov 23 22:17:04 <halfhalo> iPad you fail
Nov 23 22:17:33 <mugen-> halo, you have to have same size/freq ram for dual channel though... and DC has been around since forever now
Nov 23 22:18:02 <mugen-> why does ipad fail?
Nov 23 22:18:05 <mugen-> :(
Nov 23 22:18:44 <halfhalo> Autocorrectyness buggyness.  And I know what dual channel is.  Async dual channel ftw
Nov 23 22:18:57 <mugen-> ah
Nov 23 22:20:33 * haeffb feels like crap today. dev day crud?
Nov 23 22:20:37 <mugen-> wow
Nov 23 22:20:43 <haeffb> or too much beer?
Nov 23 22:20:47 <mugen-> 2x4GB DDR3 SODIMM for 130
Nov 23 22:21:02 <halfhalo> Yup
Nov 23 22:21:03 <mugen-> finally ddr3 is coming down
Nov 23 22:21:21 <mugen-> i might be doing me a new rig for xmas then
Nov 23 22:21:21 <halfhalo> All ram is coming down from that retarded price spike
Nov 23 22:21:54 <kesne> Anybody else here have a tab?
Nov 23 22:21:55 <mugen-> heh... you're right
Nov 23 22:21:57 <mugen-> much better
Nov 23 22:22:02 <bmidgley> hey, how do I get my pre 2 to use a real palm profile?
Nov 23 22:23:19 <bmidgley> do I have to do a full erase?
Nov 23 22:23:26 <bmidgley> I will be sad to lose preware
Nov 23 22:24:37 <Rick_work> bmidgley  what carrier is your pre2 on?
Nov 23 22:24:44 <mugen-> ugh... where has time gone. you can get 16gb of memory now for what i spent for 4mb in '93
Nov 23 22:25:08 <bmidgley> Rick_work att, activated today
Nov 23 22:25:17 <fprimex> is there a python ipk somewhere?
Nov 23 22:25:18 <mugen-> ...and 64k is all you'd ever need
Nov 23 22:25:19 * haeffb has determined that I can get my Pre2 on Chariton Valley Wireless
Nov 23 22:25:37 <kesne> So really, nobody else has a Galaxy Tab?
Nov 23 22:25:42 <mugen-> eff no
Nov 23 22:25:42 <haeffb> so, do I dump Sprint?
Nov 23 22:25:52 <mugen-> kesne, why do you ask?
Nov 23 22:25:57 <kesne> I haz one
Nov 23 22:26:01 <mugen-> i'm sorry
Nov 23 22:26:06 <mugen-> ;)
Nov 23 22:26:07 <kesne> Why would you be sorry?
Nov 23 22:26:13 <kesne> It's really nice, actually
Nov 23 22:26:18 <mugen-> cause it runs android and is sluggish
Nov 23 22:26:23 <kesne> Not sluggish
Nov 23 22:26:26 <sugardave> kesne: rgba works great, once I stopped being stupid
Nov 23 22:26:28 <kesne> And android isn't bad at all
Nov 23 22:26:35 <kesne> sugardave: Of course it does, heh
Nov 23 22:26:38 <kesne> What'd you do?
Nov 23 22:26:41 <mugen-> i have a big stick up my butt on android
Nov 23 22:26:52 <sugardave> just set color for the wrapper around my list
Nov 23 22:26:55 <mugen-> and it is sluggish... compared to webOS or iOS
Nov 23 22:27:05 <sugardave> and added rgba to the transtion property list
Nov 23 22:27:17 <kesne> mugen-: Have you used any modern android device?
Nov 23 22:27:19 <sugardave> er color
Nov 23 22:27:21 <sugardave> wait a second
Nov 23 22:27:29 <sugardave> I added rgba, and it worked
Nov 23 22:27:30 <sugardave> that's weird
Nov 23 22:27:33 <mugen-> kesne, yes :) all of them i can get my hands on in the us
Nov 23 22:27:45 <kesne> heh, I've never had it sluggish
Nov 23 22:27:55 <kesne> I also have an iPad though
Nov 23 22:27:59 <mugen-> unless it's a full vanilla rom on a 1GHz proc, it's sluggish
Nov 23 22:28:00 <kesne> I like the tab better, personally
Nov 23 22:28:05 <mugen-> seriously?!
Nov 23 22:28:07 <kesne> Yeah
Nov 23 22:28:10 <mugen-> wow
Nov 23 22:28:15 <mugen-> well, to each their own
Nov 23 22:28:17 * bmidgley is sad there was no news on webgl at the nyc event
Nov 23 22:28:28 <mugen-> i'll take the ipad off your hands ;)
Nov 23 22:28:33 * kesne thinks webGL is stoop
Nov 23 22:28:40 <kesne> mugen-: Heh, you wish :P
Nov 23 22:28:44 <mugen-> hehe
Nov 23 22:28:53 <kesne> I have far too many electronics
Nov 23 22:28:53 <mugen-> i'm hoping my girl gets me one for xmas
Nov 23 22:29:02 <Rick_work> webGL comes after hardware accelerated css, which is "first quarter"
Nov 23 22:29:18 <kesne> Why not just use openGL?
Nov 23 22:29:41 <Rick_work> because using open gl requires dropping out of the browser into C++
Nov 23 22:29:49 <mugen-> yupyup
Nov 23 22:29:50 <kesne> What's wrong with that?
Nov 23 22:29:55 <sugardave> plenty
Nov 23 22:29:57 <mugen-> hehe
Nov 23 22:29:59 <Rick_work> a lot of things.
Nov 23 22:30:01 <sugardave> like, I have no clue about it :D
Nov 23 22:30:19 <kesne> I'm sure there are reasons
Nov 23 22:30:24 <sugardave> or webGL for that matter, but at least I'll have a semi-familiar app platform to learn that in
Nov 23 22:30:24 <kesne> But what exactly?
Nov 23 22:31:11 <bmidgley> kesne cross-platform 3d is what I mainly want to see
Nov 23 22:31:24 <destinal> Rick_work: hybrid SDL apps look cool though
Nov 23 22:31:37 <kesne> bmidgley: Easy, openGL
Nov 23 22:32:07 <mugen-> kesne, you still have to code natively in openGL
Nov 23 22:32:22 <Rick_work> which means your app is not cross platform
Nov 23 22:32:25 <kesne> Ah
Nov 23 22:32:26 <kesne> Got it
Nov 23 22:32:26 <Rick_work> and is now processor dependent
Nov 23 22:32:27 <bmidgley> webgl will also run on the desktop where opengl is more pain
Nov 23 22:32:43 <Rick_work> nodnod
Nov 23 22:32:45 <kesne> I'm terribly mis- and under-imformed on this subject
Nov 23 22:32:48 <mugen-> webGL will just take that need for native c++ coding
Nov 23 22:33:09 <kesne> ah, i meant informed
Nov 23 22:33:31 <Rick_work> if you do openGL you have to compile and produce a different package for every different machine you run on, pre, pixi, tablet, desktop, etc etc.  WebGL runs anywhere.
Nov 23 22:33:42 <kesne> okay
Nov 23 22:34:56 <bmidgley> so anyway, there is not a way to reset my palm id without a full erase?
Nov 23 22:35:27 <Rick_work> nope.  You have to run "first use" to log into a palm profile.
Nov 23 22:35:36 <mugen-> LOL
Nov 23 22:35:42 <mugen-> --engadet "T-Pain tells Toshiba 'it ain't hardcore unless its hexacore' (video)"
Nov 23 22:35:47 <mugen-> *engadget
Nov 23 22:36:06 <bmidgley> thx Rick_work
Nov 23 22:36:15 <mugen-> t-pain weighing in on the market
Nov 23 22:36:19 <mugen-> that's funny
Nov 23 22:36:26 <mugen-> shawty
Nov 23 22:42:26 <maik> have you guys seen Dell's new Insipron duo? http://goo.gl/R7Ds2
Nov 23 22:42:57 <mugen-> yea... i was following it on engadget for a while
Nov 23 22:43:14 <mugen-> looks neat... i'd love it if i could run webOS on it
Nov 23 22:43:38 <maik> totally
Nov 23 22:43:54 <mugen-> that's the kind of form factor HP needs to check into to
Nov 23 22:44:19 <maik> i like that the screen flips over, that's really unique and probably solves some of the hinge problems that traditional tablet+keyboard form factors tend to suffer from
Nov 23 22:44:38 <mugen-> we'll see...
Nov 23 22:44:59 <maik> ya, now it hinges (hur hur) on the quality of the screen rotation thingies
Nov 23 22:45:10 <mugen-> i also don't know much about the nm10 intel gfx
Nov 23 22:45:28 <maik> oh i don't know anything about the specs of it, just saw an ad about it and figured i'd comment
Nov 23 22:46:36 <dawm|laptop> moo
Nov 23 22:50:00 <Rick_work> thinking about getting a nook color
Nov 23 22:53:05 <dgathright> Would love it if HP comes out with a convertible tablet like the Inspiron Duo.  Make one iPad-like, and another as a convertible w/ keyboard.  I hate typing on my iPad.
Nov 23 22:54:09 <Rick_work> get a bluetooth keyboard
Nov 23 22:55:40 <mugen-> rick, i love my nook
Nov 23 22:55:45 <mugen-> you have an original?
Nov 23 22:56:01 <Rick_work> I did have, until it flew off the top of my car at 35 mph
Nov 23 22:56:09 <mugen-> ack
Nov 23 22:56:32 <halfhalo> Ouch.. I have a kindle dx that replaced my broken gen one kindle
Nov 23 22:56:35 <Rick_work> we hooked a bluetooth kb up to a pre2 at the bowling alley in NYC
Nov 23 22:58:57 <rwhitby> as you do ...
Nov 23 22:59:04 <bmidgley> so is there a way to tether a pre2 on att?
Nov 23 22:59:42 <dgathright> Meh, If I wanted to use a keyboard, I would just get out my Macbook.  Point is, I want it integrated.  So, basically, a netbook, but running a multi-touch OS.
Nov 23 23:00:11 <dgathright> 90% of the time I don't need the keyboard.  But that 10% of the time when I want it, I really want it.
Nov 23 23:05:19 <SineOt> the design on the Nook Color is really nice. It's slick looking
Nov 23 23:10:26 <mbarvian> is anyone here successfully using a horizontal snap scroller?
Nov 23 23:12:59 <SineOt> crazy, Nintendo is going to be at CES this year after 16 years away
Nov 23 23:13:23 <mugen-> hehe yea
Nov 23 23:19:30 <Rick_work> dgathright  if you only want a keyboard 10% of the time, get a bluetooth keyboard.  Then, 90% of the time, it sits in the bottom of your bag, and you ignore it and don't have to deal with holding somehting big enough to have a keyboard integrated.
Nov 23 23:24:56 <SineOt> anyone here use OSX, and want a copy of a Pre version of SimFinger?
Nov 23 23:32:12 <SineOt> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/469264/PrewareThemes/PrewareAdvancedMode.m4v < SimFinger + Preware Advanced Mode theme
Nov 23 23:38:01 <kesne> howday
Nov 23 23:38:23 <SineOt> hey kesne
Nov 23 23:38:28 <kesne> How's it going?
Nov 23 23:39:13 <SineOt> alright. Fiddling with SimFinger + the emulator. It's pretty awesome
Nov 23 23:40:02 <SineOt> kesne: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/469264/PrewareThemes/PrewareAdvancedMode.m4v < if you wanted to see
Nov 23 23:40:39 <kesne> WHY!?
Nov 23 23:41:06 <mugen-> lol
Nov 23 23:41:53 <SineOt> why not?
Nov 23 23:42:01 <kesne> I meant the theme
Nov 23 23:42:05 <SineOt> I know :3
Nov 23 23:42:30 <kesne> It's terrible!
Nov 23 23:42:56 <SineOt> that's the point! why do you think it's called Advanced Mode
Nov 23 23:43:34 <kesne> "advanced"
Nov 23 23:43:38 <mugen-> well i just took a hit of acid... so i think it looks great
Nov 23 23:43:44 <mugen-> things line up now
Nov 23 23:44:28 <kesne> hehe
Nov 23 23:55:18 <rwhitby> SineOt: mind if I tweet that m4v ?
Nov 23 23:55:25 <mbarvian> is there a string in javascript that does absolutely nothing?
Nov 23 23:55:26 <mbarvian> lol
Nov 23 23:55:32 <SineOt> go for it, rwhitby
Nov 23 23:55:39 <rwhitby> SineOt: is it just CSS ?
Nov 23 23:55:40 <SineOt> I'm @SineOtter on twitter
Nov 23 23:55:45 <SineOt> rwhitby: yup, all css
Nov 23 23:57:06 <kesne> mbarvian: Mojo.doNothing();
Nov 23 23:57:17 <mbarvian> kesne: lol.
Nov 23 23:57:25 <mbarvian> kesne: something I can use in a string ;)
Nov 23 23:57:25 <kesne> seriously
Nov 23 23:57:28 <kesne> Oh
Nov 23 23:57:31 <kesne> Misread that
Nov 23 23:57:34 <mbarvian> np
Nov 23 23:57:39 <rwhitby> http://bit.ly/preware-on-drugs
Nov 23 23:57:42 <Tibfib> mbarvian: ''?
Nov 23 23:57:49 <mbarvian> kesne: but out of curiousityy, is that really a function?
Nov 23 23:57:55 <kesne> yep
Nov 23 23:57:59 <Tibfib> mbarvian: oh, just do a random string of numbers
Nov 23 23:58:02 <mbarvian> Tibfib: " " returns an object
Nov 23 23:58:11 <mbarvian> Tibfib: can't do numbers :(
Nov 23 23:58:19 <Tibfib> "f34r34324234324223"
Nov 23 23:58:24 <mbarvian> Tibfib: looking for something like a whitespace that doesn't return an object
Nov 23 23:58:31 <mbarvian> Tibfib: can't use numbers
Nov 23 23:58:34 <mbarvian> lol
Nov 23 23:58:38 <mbarvian> this is a strange request
Nov 23 23:58:39 <Tibfib> oh, at ALL
Nov 23 23:58:53 <mbarvian> kesne: but why?
Nov 23 23:58:55 <mbarvian> Tibfib: yes
Nov 23 23:58:56 <mbarvian> :)
Nov 23 23:59:05 <kesne> mbarvian: Why is it a function? No idea
Nov 23 23:59:15 <mbarvian> kesne: does it do anything at all?
Nov 23 23:59:22 <kesne> no...
Nov 23 23:59:25 <mbarvian> kesne: haha
Nov 23 23:59:29 <mbarvian> kesne: could've guessed that
Nov 23 23:59:33 <Tibfib> what the crap is that preware on drugs video?
Nov 24 00:00:16 <mbarvian> Tibfib: looks like someone having fun with css transformations
Nov 24 00:00:18 <Tibfib> lol, it's an actual theme
Nov 24 00:00:42 <SineOt> Tibfib: yes it is
Nov 24 00:00:52 <SineOt> and yes, I was having a lot of fun with css transformations
Nov 24 00:00:55 <Tibfib> SineOt: learn a lot?
Nov 24 00:00:58 <Tibfib> :)
Nov 24 00:01:11 <SineOt> there's a lot more support for CSS transforms in webOS than I thought, so yes :)
Nov 24 00:01:17 <mbarvian> hah
Nov 24 00:01:32 <mbarvian> it was a nice touch using simfinger though
Nov 24 00:01:34 <mbarvian> props
Nov 24 00:01:39 <SineOt> thanks
Nov 24 00:01:47 <SineOt> yeah, SimFinger is pretty awesome
Nov 24 00:02:07 <mbarvian> I used it for the first time here:
Nov 24 00:02:07 <mbarvian> v
Nov 24 00:02:08 <mbarvian> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JgC0qb8RIo
Nov 24 00:02:10 <mbarvian> pretty awesome
Nov 24 00:02:16 <mbarvian> great little prog
Nov 24 00:02:35 <SineOt> oh, did you release Weight Tracker finally? :D
Nov 24 00:02:48 <mbarvian> SineOt: yes, the update is finally out :D
Nov 24 00:02:55 <mbarvian> SineOt: it has backtracking
Nov 24 00:03:07 <SineOt> cool :)
Nov 24 00:03:26 <SineOt> can't wait for the whole "coupon code" stuff makes it to webOS
Nov 24 00:03:37 <SineOt> since installing an ipk doesn't actually get you any of the updates
Nov 24 00:04:25 <haeffb> mbarvian: null ?
Nov 24 00:04:47 <SineOt> but yeah, I did find a few odd bugs with css transforms on webOS... but I don't know if they're even worth reporting since they're such weird fringe cases
Nov 24 00:04:47 <Tibfib> oh, yeah. ..
Nov 24 00:04:48 <mbarvian> haeffb: I'll try
Nov 24 00:05:00 <Tibfib> haeffb: I thought that was too simple...heh
Nov 24 00:05:09 <SineOt> and I mean like, lunatic fringe cases
Nov 24 00:06:29 * SineOt makes a "webOS" twitter since he's been meaning to for a while
Nov 24 00:06:38 * haeffb doesn't really understand the concept of "a string that does nothing"
Nov 24 00:09:19 <SineOt> "that's the beauty of it"
Nov 24 00:09:49 <SineOt> whoa, that is kind of lame... Pre will play .mp4, but won't play .m4v, wtf
Nov 24 00:10:34 <Tibfib> http://twitter.com/#!/joshuatopolsky/status/7222108887195648 really?
Nov 24 00:10:41 <Tibfib> he just heard of it or what?
Nov 24 00:14:34 <SineOt> rrrr, UPS better get here on time tomorrow :B
Nov 24 00:24:31 <dawm|laptop> uhh
Nov 24 00:24:38 <rwhitby> Tibfib: he uses SSL for IRC
Nov 24 00:24:40 <dawm|laptop> theres an HP ePrint app for blackberry?
Nov 24 00:24:50 <Tibfib> rwhitby: ohhhkay. got it
Nov 24 00:24:52 <dawm|laptop> http://twitter.com/#!/hpnews/status/7216199100268545
Nov 24 00:26:59 <dawm|laptop> palm messed up my revenue payment.. i sent out an email but havent heard anything back =/
Nov 24 00:29:00 <dawm|laptop> got 2 payments from the PDN_EU, one which appeared to be my first euro payment (must have finally reached the payout limit) and a second payment from PDN_EU which was just $1euro. but nothing in USD or anything near what the report for October was
Nov 24 00:31:48 <SineOt> dawm|laptop: where'd you send the email?
Nov 24 00:31:57 <dawm|laptop> pdn@palm
Nov 24 00:32:33 <SineOt> hm
Nov 24 00:41:23 <dkarapet> does webos support E4X or some kind of xml parser?
Nov 24 00:41:49 <codeslaw> e4x... i wish!
Nov 24 00:41:53 <codeslaw> well not really
Nov 24 00:41:59 <codeslaw> json is the way to go if i have a choice
Nov 24 00:42:03 <dkarapet> ok so I wasn't going crazy
Nov 24 00:42:16 <codeslaw> there is some form of XML parser though
Nov 24 00:42:23 <codeslaw> dont know what though
Nov 24 00:42:32 <dkarapet> i've been using sizzle.js and i was wondering if there was native supportr
Nov 24 00:42:39 <codeslaw> check the forums
Nov 24 00:42:55 <codeslaw> i think the Ajax class will parse XML
Nov 24 00:42:58 <codeslaw> it parses json
Nov 24 00:43:03 <codeslaw> so unsure
Nov 24 00:43:58 <dkarapet> it parses XML as well but then getting around the XML is the problem
Nov 24 00:44:14 <dkarapet> you're right about JSON being much easier
Nov 24 00:44:23 <codeslaw> what does it parse it into?
Nov 24 00:44:23 <dkarapet> but some services only offer XML
Nov 24 00:44:31 <codeslaw> true
Nov 24 00:44:34 <dkarapet> an xml document fragment
Nov 24 00:44:43 <codeslaw> in DOM format?
Nov 24 00:44:48 <dkarapet> yes
Nov 24 00:45:04 <codeslaw> so then what is the problem getting around in it?
Nov 24 00:45:22 <dkarapet> well sizzle.js does a good job
Nov 24 00:45:31 <dkarapet> but it can be a little slow for long documents
Nov 24 00:45:40 <dkarapet> native support would speed things up
Nov 24 00:45:44 <codeslaw> never used sizzle
Nov 24 00:46:45 <codeslaw> wait that's the selector engine for jquery
Nov 24 00:46:52 <codeslaw> yes, it's very nice
Nov 24 00:47:41 <codeslaw> but i thought it was css only
Nov 24 00:47:51 <codeslaw> well no i guess attributes as well
Nov 24 00:48:15 <codeslaw> oh that dude left
Nov 24 00:48:23 <codeslaw> i guess i'm talking to myself at this point
Nov 24 00:48:42 <dawm|laptop> lame
Nov 24 00:48:55 <nguarracino> codeslaw: lol
Nov 24 00:49:05 <dawm|laptop> myspace doesnt have any of my comments from 4yrs ago.. but they store usernames of who commented
Nov 24 00:49:13 <codeslaw> ...
Nov 24 00:49:23 <codeslaw> you building a my____ app?
Nov 24 00:51:45 <dawm|laptop> no i had a friend request and it couldnt have been spam since i havent been on there in well over a year
Nov 24 00:58:58 <SineOt> I wish that more companies would list the drive speed for their externals. :/
Nov 24 01:03:13 <dawm|laptop> lol
Nov 24 01:03:21 <dawm|laptop> you can login to myspace with facebook
Nov 24 01:09:15 <Loudergood> that's the smell of desperation there
Nov 24 01:10:37 <codeslaw> their desperation is no big secret
Nov 24 01:11:03 <Loudergood> yeah, but that's the raw essence of it there
Nov 24 01:22:09 <haeffb> bah. local GSM carrier wants $40 for 500 min, $30 for data and $20 for text
Nov 24 01:22:22 <haeffb> Sprint gives me that for $70
Nov 24 01:22:26 <codeslaw> ya
Nov 24 01:22:40 <codeslaw> its only 70 because its an old ass network
Nov 24 01:23:01 <haeffb> works for me though
Nov 24 01:23:16 <haeffb> that old ass network gave me > 2MB dl in NYC
Nov 24 01:23:23 <codeslaw> ya i get good service, just sucks that we are stuck with CDMA phones
Nov 24 01:23:53 <haeffb> man, I love that college bball season is back
Nov 24 01:24:33 <codeslaw> agreed
Nov 24 01:25:03 <codeslaw> we (texas) almost beat pitt last week
Nov 24 01:26:53 <haeffb> stoopid
Nov 24 01:27:01 <haeffb> $40 for 500 min
Nov 24 01:27:11 <haeffb> or $70 for 750 min on family plan
Nov 24 01:27:48 <haeffb> so, half the additional minutes for 75% more cost
Nov 24 01:28:03 <haeffb> codeslaw: I tried to talk sugardave into going to that game with me.
Nov 24 01:28:30 <codeslaw> would have been great to see
Nov 24 01:28:36 <codeslaw> i would have gone
Nov 24 01:28:38 <haeffb> MU vs Wyoming in Cancun tonight. I've got the DVR covering it until wife gets home
Nov 24 01:28:53 <codeslaw> what channel?
Nov 24 01:28:59 <haeffb> CBSC
Nov 24 01:29:29 <haeffb> don't give any updates, though...I'm waiting to watch later... :)
Nov 24 01:30:33 <haeffb> unlimited family text is $30. So, $70 for 750, $30x2 for data, $30 for text = $130.
Nov 24 01:30:40 <haeffb> same as sprint family plan... ?
Nov 24 01:31:17 <SineOt> for 2 lines?
Nov 24 01:31:20 <haeffb> looks like they want to charge for roaming data, though.
Nov 24 01:31:24 <haeffb> yeah, 2 lines
Nov 24 01:33:38 <haeffb> codeslaw: BigXII (-2) should be a good basketball league this year. MU, KU, BU, KSU, UT will all be good. Maybe OSU, aTm.
Nov 24 01:34:08 <codeslaw> yes
Nov 24 01:34:12 <codeslaw> i'm excited
Nov 24 01:34:29 <codeslaw> especially after this wretched football season
Nov 24 01:34:39 <SineOt> ... Cats are weird
Nov 24 01:36:21 <haeffb> awesome quote regarding webOSdev afterparty: "...in a crowd with more WebOS devices than women.
Nov 24 01:36:21 <haeffb> "
Nov 24 01:36:29 <oil> so true
Nov 24 01:37:08 <halfhalo> That's not saying much...
Nov 24 01:37:09 * haeffb never did get to talk to adora at the bowling alley...she was always surrounded. :)
Nov 24 01:37:31 <oil> idk, there was all the hot beer wenches keeping the buckets of beer filled
Nov 24 01:38:02 <haeffb> oil: true dat. beer wenches ftw
Nov 24 01:38:07 <oil> haha
Nov 24 01:38:25 <haeffb> Palmtini!!!
Nov 24 01:39:59 <rwhitby> that was a pretty good night
Nov 24 01:40:32 <Palmtini> !!
Nov 24 01:40:41 <Palmtini> hey haeffb
Nov 24 01:41:10 <haeffb> rwhitby: it was a "pretty good" weekend.
Nov 24 01:41:44 <haeffb> I was impressed by Palm's ability to pull off a shindig.
Nov 24 01:41:46 <rwhitby> haeffb: should have come to brunch on Sunday if you wanted to chat with Lisa
Nov 24 01:41:59 <Palmtini> i gotta be honest and say the best part was meeting all the great ppl
Nov 24 01:42:05 * rwhitby agrees
Nov 24 01:42:14 <haeffb> yeah. I wasn't feeling up to it. didn't get back to the motel until 4am.
Nov 24 01:42:31 <haeffb> but I still should have. Where did you end up for brunch?
Nov 24 01:45:07 <Palmtini> whats new and exciting haeffb ? fully recovered from your trip?
Nov 24 01:45:37 <haeffb> nope, feeling like crap today.
Nov 24 01:46:04 <haeffb> I've had to do mid-yr performance reviews the last two days.
Nov 24 01:46:09 <haeffb> yuck
Nov 24 01:46:48 * oil got blamed for shit in person
Nov 24 01:46:48 <Palmtini> you're allowed to do performance reviews with a hang-over ?
Nov 24 01:47:01 <halfhalo> Hahahaha
Nov 24 01:47:10 <rwhitby> haeffb: Pershing Square cafe for pancakes
Nov 24 01:47:17 <kesne> oil: Did you go to dev day?
Nov 24 01:47:22 <oil> yep
Nov 24 01:47:27 <kesne> cool cool
Nov 24 01:47:45 <SineOt> one of these days I'll make it out to one of these dev day things :p
Nov 24 01:47:54 <haeffb> oil: lol
Nov 24 01:48:12 * oil thinks this picture is awesome: http://images.precentral.net/sites/precentral.net/files/articleimages/581/2010/11/frankenpre/pre-2-sprint-006.jpg
Nov 24 01:48:24 <haeffb> SineOt: totally awesome experience. Just do it.
Nov 24 01:49:04 <haeffb> Palmtini: it's actually encouraged. You get a bit more "real" that way.
Nov 24 01:49:24 <rwhitby> oil: that's almost SkyNet right there
Nov 24 01:49:55 * kesne would have gone if stupid school didn't exist :(
Nov 24 01:50:17 <haeffb> kense couldn't be served at LSL.
Nov 24 01:50:23 <Palmtini> oil is that you in the pic?
Nov 24 01:50:35 <oil> yeah
Nov 24 01:50:36 <oil> lol
Nov 24 01:50:46 <Palmtini> i recognized you
Nov 24 01:50:52 <Palmtini> and Rod?
Nov 24 01:51:00 <oil> well, our hands anyways
Nov 24 01:51:07 <haeffb> hand models!
Nov 24 01:51:08 <SineOt> what's your shirt?
Nov 24 01:51:27 <oil> thats my shirt
Nov 24 01:51:35 <SineOt> :I
Nov 24 01:51:41 <haeffb> his shirt is that
Nov 24 01:51:59 * haeffb looking forward to dev day Austin
Nov 24 01:52:06 <haeffb> and/or Chicago
Nov 24 01:52:07 <Palmtini> eah
Nov 24 01:52:10 <SineOt> "what is the meaning of the images printed to your shirt that tries to share some no doubt witty message"
Nov 24 01:52:13 <Palmtini> i would do austin
Nov 24 01:52:24 <Palmtini> big SRV fan
Nov 24 01:52:37 <oil> have you ever seen monty pythons search for the holy grail?
Nov 24 01:52:43 <SineOt> yes
Nov 24 01:52:46 <SineOt> that's what I figured it was
Nov 24 01:52:48 <haeffb> only 1000 times
Nov 24 01:53:18 <oil> well there you go
Nov 24 01:53:31 <halfhalo> lol
Nov 24 01:53:46 <halfhalo> I would totally do austin
Nov 24 01:53:54 <halfhalo> Free room ftw
Nov 24 01:54:15 * haeffb bunking with sugardave or codeslaw 
Nov 24 01:54:27 <halfhalo> Even though it would be with my aunt n uncle, and my uncle is a minister
Nov 24 01:54:39 <SineOt> SF would be awesome, since I've got a ton of friends up there :p
Nov 24 01:54:40 <haeffb> sugardave might be a minister... ?
Nov 24 01:54:55 <haeffb> SF has already been done.
Nov 24 01:55:05 <SineOt> do another!
Nov 24 01:55:10 <halfhalo> THEY WILL
Nov 24 01:55:29 <halfhalo> OH GOD MY KEYBOARD HAS CAPS LOCK ON AGAIN AND IT WON'T SHUT OFF
Nov 24 01:55:43 <haeffb> "so, does this look as bad as it looks?"
Nov 24 01:56:38 <kesne> If dev day ever comes to portland you can all bunk with me, the 16 year old kid.
Nov 24 01:57:00 * halfhalo would rather stay at a motel 6
Nov 24 01:57:05 <SineOt> Dev Days Portland: "Why don't you have a seat over here..."
Nov 24 01:57:05 <kesne> Good call
Nov 24 01:57:07 <halfhalo> and THAT is saying something
Nov 24 01:57:20 * halfhalo generally stays at marriots
Nov 24 01:57:22 <haeffb> kesne: you'll be 73 before dev days comes to portland.
Nov 24 01:57:29 <kesne> Yeah yeah
Nov 24 01:57:58 <kesne> You all just hate me
Nov 24 01:58:04 <halfhalo> true
Nov 24 01:58:09 <haeffb> yep
Nov 24 01:58:20 * rwhitby is just ambivalent ;)
Nov 24 01:58:29 <halfhalo> we hate you in the fluffy luvable way only webos can provide
Nov 24 01:58:38 <haeffb> rwhitby makes a good point.
Nov 24 01:58:42 <haeffb> hate is a strong term.
Nov 24 01:58:57 * haeffb is aware of kesne
Nov 24 01:59:06 <kesne> heh
Nov 24 01:59:18 <haeffb> vaguely
Nov 24 01:59:30 <kesne> Most people over here hate me too
Nov 24 02:00:40 <Palmtini> its not your fault
Nov 24 02:00:57 * halfhalo stays mum
Nov 24 02:01:01 <kesne> Hehe
Nov 24 02:01:03 <oil> if kesne came to devdays, i would have "accidentally" spilt something on his white pants
Nov 24 02:01:04 <Palmtini> i think you should blame oil
Nov 24 02:01:16 <kesne> Hahaha
Nov 24 02:01:21 <haeffb> oops
Nov 24 02:01:26 <kesne> I wouldn't wear those.
Nov 24 02:01:32 <kesne> I'd wear my normal get-up
Nov 24 02:01:59 <oil> how would we know who you were if you weren't in white jeans?
Nov 24 02:02:01 * halfhalo would wear shorts, shirt, and flip flops
Nov 24 02:02:36 * halfhalo checks his attire right now
Nov 24 02:02:43 <halfhalo> shorts, shirt, and flip flops!
Nov 24 02:02:54 * haeffb would wear heels and a cocktail dress. Too bad you guys can't see me in the dev day video.
Nov 24 02:03:03 <halfhalo> lol
Nov 24 02:03:07 * haeffb was hotttt!
Nov 24 02:03:45 <haeffb> wait. haeffb has been drinking again. disregard anything he says.
Nov 24 02:03:56 <SineOt> if I went I think someone, somewhere, would complain about my reasonings for going with the Pixi over the Pre lol
Nov 24 02:04:20 <oil> no
Nov 24 02:04:28 <oil> people using iphones and androids were getting shit though
Nov 24 02:04:39 <SineOt> oil: a pre won't fit in my skinny jeans :I
Nov 24 02:04:53 * halfhalo would bust out epic and be like "WHO HAS INTERNET NOW BITCHES"
Nov 24 02:05:09 <Palmtini> 4g BABY
Nov 24 02:05:11 * halfhalo is not allowed near circus's for that reason
Nov 24 02:05:28 <kesne> SineOt: Pre's fit fine in my skinny jeans
Nov 24 02:05:49 <SineOt> I'd be deathly afraid of putting a pre in there with the slider D:
Nov 24 02:05:57 <Palmtini> pants dont make the man. it's what is in them..
Nov 24 02:06:06 <halfhalo> or lack therof
Nov 24 02:08:12 <haeffb> The League cracks me up. Routinely.
Nov 24 02:08:19 <Palmtini> haeffb:  what's on the agenda for agenda with webOS 2 ?
Nov 24 02:08:33 <haeffb> abandonware
Nov 24 02:08:44 <kesne> That's the best kind!
Nov 24 02:09:26 <haeffb> agenda is a big hack.
Nov 24 02:09:45 <haeffb> even aside from the undoc'd API's
Nov 24 02:10:07 <Palmtini> ah well. had a good run..
Nov 24 02:10:16 <Palmtini> how many dl's is it at now?
Nov 24 02:10:26 <haeffb> palm needs to add an agenda view.
Nov 24 02:17:54 <mbarvian> does anyone know if webOS support @font-face?
Nov 24 02:18:52 <SineOt> I fiddled with it but I can't remember what I found
Nov 24 02:18:55 <kesne> I don't believe so
Nov 24 02:19:02 <SineOt> I don't think it does, but I tested back on probably 1.3.0
Nov 24 02:19:08 <kesne> Body scan or pat down?
Nov 24 02:19:30 <mbarvian> crap. does anyone here do font replacement without images? :)
Nov 24 02:20:24 <SineOt> the only options I know of are SIRF or whatever and @font-face
Nov 24 02:20:44 <SineOt> if you can find someone with a Pre2 to see if that changed in 2.0 though, might be worth a shot
Nov 24 02:20:52 <SineOt> I think 2.0 is supposed to have a newer build of webkit or something
Nov 24 02:21:28 <bpadalino> they updated opensource.palm.com with the patches - so we can check
Nov 24 02:21:42 <mbarvian> crap. I can't believe no one here does font replacement.  Is there a built-in mono font that comes built-in to webOS?
Nov 24 02:21:49 <mbarvian> does Coconut have a monospace face?
Nov 24 02:24:45 <SineOt> bpadalino: whoa, this is WAY disappointing
Nov 24 02:24:56 <bpadalino> i am sorry!!
Nov 24 02:24:59 <SineOt> going off the Changelogs included in the originals, these versions of webkit are ancient
Nov 24 02:25:11 * haeffb blames oil
Nov 24 02:25:36 <SineOt> like october 2009 ancient
Nov 24 02:25:56 <mbarvian> is it possible to see how the calculator app works? lol
Nov 24 02:26:00 <bpadalino> welcome to webos :)
Nov 24 02:27:19 <SineOt> I guess any fixes are going to rely on Palm's patches
Nov 24 02:27:52 <SineOt> mbarvian: post on the dev forums about wanting @font-face stuff, I'll support you
Nov 24 02:28:02 <mbarvian> SineOt: lol. thanks
Nov 24 02:28:11 <mbarvian> it'd be a very nice inclusion
Nov 24 02:28:17 <SineOt> yeah, it'd be super nice
Nov 24 02:28:28 <mbarvian> open  up a lot of possibilities for devs
Nov 24 02:28:31 <SineOt> eventually I'm going to post about my weird findings with CSS transforms
Nov 24 02:28:40 <mbarvian> what'd you find?
Nov 24 02:29:13 <SineOt> the animation from scale(1.0) to scale(-1.0) creates this kind of staticy rip in the graphics when you're animating mojo widgets
Nov 24 02:29:35 <mbarvian> ah I see
Nov 24 02:29:58 <SineOt> and if you scale(-1.0) on the entire body, the origin assumes a 320x480 screen even on a Pixi, so it rotates the top half of the app all the way off the screen and unable to access by scrolling
Nov 24 02:30:10 <SineOt> lunatic fringe cases ;P
Nov 24 02:31:13 <SineOt> both cases that I'm sure Palm never expected anyone to ever, you know, try
Nov 24 02:32:08 <kesne> I hope Enyo keeps the same transitions
Nov 24 02:32:37 <kesne> As demod
Nov 24 02:32:41 <SineOt> I'm sure it will, since it's just CSS transitions
Nov 24 02:32:43 <SineOt> oh, those
Nov 24 02:34:25 <kesne> yeah
Nov 24 02:34:31 <kesne> the sliding over one-another
Nov 24 02:34:35 <kesne> I like that better
Nov 24 02:47:07 * oil is not looking forward to rewriting all of his apps :/
Nov 24 02:47:17 <halfhalo> HAHA
Nov 24 02:48:37 <kesne> Sucks for you, I wrote mine in enyo to start wit
Nov 24 02:48:39 <kesne> *with
Nov 24 02:50:16 <Palmtini> you tell em kesne !! ENYO FACE oil !!
Nov 24 02:50:33 <oil> ;(
Nov 24 02:50:42 <kesne> that produced a lol
Nov 24 02:53:44 <oil> hey, a wircer
Nov 24 02:54:02 <kesne> HA!
Nov 24 02:54:54 <oil> lol
Nov 24 02:56:23 <oil> hey, wircer is back
Nov 24 02:58:21 <drimo> lol, yeah, closed too many cards
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