**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Nov 24 02:59:58 2010
Nov 24 03:04:02 <kesne> JStop prevents me from getting TMC
Nov 24 03:04:57 <dawm> https://chrome.google.com/extensions/detail/idkjdjficifbfjjkdkiimioljbloddpl
Nov 24 03:05:28 <SineOt> ahahaha, dawm
Nov 24 03:06:54 <kesne> what, are you alling me racist because I'm white!?!
Nov 24 03:15:00 <dawm> i hate getting this error
Nov 24 03:15:01 <dawm> https://live.xbox.com/Error
Nov 24 03:15:05 <dawm> f*ckers
Nov 24 03:38:30 <mbarvian> hey guys, i keep getting this error:
Nov 24 03:38:31 <mbarvian> Unexpected end of input, object:1
Nov 24 03:38:37 <mbarvian> does anyone know what might be causing it?
Nov 24 03:38:50 <Jakeeeee> in what?
Nov 24 03:39:20 <mbarvian> Jake: the log
Nov 24 03:39:31 <mbarvian> Jake: don't know what's causing it. do you know what I could check?
Nov 24 03:39:56 <Jakeeeee> i just joined. what're you logging?
Nov 24 03:40:27 <mbarvian> nothing. it's an error :(
Nov 24 03:40:57 <Jakeeeee> like...wait what? sorry i'm just a little confused. like your phone just randomly put that up?
Nov 24 03:40:58 <SineOt> mbarvian: line number?
Nov 24 03:45:52 <mbarvian> SineOt: none. but anyways, I'm tired. I'm gonna hit the sac and tacke it tomorrow
Nov 24 03:46:03 <mbarvian> Jake: and yea, it spat out an error when I'm running my app ;)
Nov 24 03:46:06 <mbarvian> night everyone
Nov 24 03:46:44 <Jakeeeee> night! i didn't know what we were talking about haha
Nov 24 05:21:37 <sugardave> haeffb: I do have my Pope card somewhere
Nov 24 05:21:40 <sugardave> I'd have to find it
Nov 24 05:36:17 <SineOt> ahaha... http://www.teefury.com/
Nov 24 05:57:36 <SineOt> I like that for being 2nd day air, UPS decided to drive my package over the grapevine to Vernon, CA, instead! It's never going to leave the ground! :V
Nov 24 06:01:12 <Suruat> hello any body home?
Nov 24 06:01:27 <chronomex> nope, I'm out masturbating in the park
Nov 24 06:01:38 <Suruat> lol
Nov 24 06:03:56 <oil> you think he is joking
Nov 24 06:04:09 <chronomex> yeah, I'm totally serious.
Nov 24 06:04:16 <rwhitby> oil: wircer?
Nov 24 06:04:28 <oil> how else would he be on irc from the park?
Nov 24 06:04:29 <oil> lol
Nov 24 06:04:36 * oil adds new tagline to wirc
Nov 24 06:04:40 <halfhalo> hahahaha
Nov 24 06:05:07 <chronomex> actually no, I'm sitting at home drinking and trying to concentrate on a paper that's not going to write itself no matter how much applejack I drink
Nov 24 06:16:02 * Tibfib expects wIRC update
Nov 24 06:22:28 * mugen- looks around the room.
Nov 24 06:25:27 * kesne is heading out
Nov 24 06:25:28 <kesne> goodnight
Nov 24 06:30:44 <SineOt> port request: http://www.zincland.com/powder/index.php?pagename=release
Nov 24 06:35:19 <renegaid> Why is it taking so long for palm t have apparently like aircraft in the catalog
Nov 24 06:35:49 <renegaid> Wirc has been around for almost a year now
Nov 24 06:36:16 <renegaid> Dumb auto correct. I keep forgetting to check that
Nov 24 06:39:54 <Suruat> I don't like that the new 2.0 catalog does not show you the complete list. for example it shows you like the top 15 recent apps and thats it. Some times you get like 30 new apps in one day.. and you cannot see them all.
Nov 24 06:40:49 <SineOt> Yeah, it's kind of annoying
Nov 24 06:40:57 <rwhitby> Very annoying
Nov 24 06:41:22 <rwhitby> In my opinion, the new app catalog app is a major step backwards
Nov 24 06:41:27 <SineOt> but hey, AppScoop will no doubt become very popular :p
Nov 24 06:47:00 <Tibfib> whoa inkscape is cool
Nov 24 07:14:26 <swisstomcat> morning
Nov 24 07:19:38 <teemu> Morning
Nov 24 07:47:31 <hotdp> Good mornig
Nov 24 07:54:22 <rwhitby> g'day hotdp
Nov 24 07:58:23 <hotdp> rwhitby, do you know who at palm i could ask about the dictionary? There is not much going on with my thread....
Nov 24 07:58:38 <rwhitby> nope
Nov 24 08:28:44 <swisstomcat> morning hotdp
Nov 24 08:36:48 <chronomex> morning?!?
Nov 24 08:43:40 <swisstomcat> yeah
Nov 24 08:43:44 <swisstomcat> 9:36am
Nov 24 09:05:43 <hotdp> morning swisstomcat
Nov 24 09:05:52 <hotdp> Just had a talk with my work :)
Nov 24 09:06:09 <teemu> hoi
Nov 24 09:13:37 <swisstomcat> hotdp: and?
Nov 24 09:14:42 <hotdp> And it was VERY good
Nov 24 09:14:51 <hotdp> i gonna be the mobile "meister" in the company
Nov 24 09:15:05 <hotdp> use time for framwork investigation in mobile developemnt
Nov 24 09:15:12 <hotdp> "go-to-guy"
Nov 24 09:15:16 <teemu> That's great news :)
Nov 24 09:15:18 <hotdp> have sessions about it
Nov 24 09:15:23 <hotdp> blog about it in the company
Nov 24 09:15:25 <hotdp> and stuff :)
Nov 24 09:15:43 <hotdp> so a key position in the company :)
Nov 24 09:19:13 <MetaView> hi
Nov 24 09:22:56 <swisstomcat> very good
Nov 24 09:23:07 <swisstomcat> i might have the same position in a new company soon
Nov 24 09:24:55 <hotdp> cool
Nov 24 09:26:21 <swisstomcat> bbl
Nov 24 10:05:27 <hotdp> swisstomcat where is it?
Nov 24 12:17:16 <swisstomcat> rehi
Nov 24 12:26:02 <krycek_> are we going to be able to use enyo framework for web apps for desktops browsers?
Nov 24 12:26:16 <swisstomcat> apparently
Nov 24 12:26:26 <swisstomcat> the demos were running on a desktop chrome browser
Nov 24 12:28:28 <krycek_> yes, that's why I'm asking... but he said that they are makeing a effort to be compatible with every webkit-compatible browser
Nov 24 12:28:48 <krycek_> it would be pretty neat if they support firefox and IE too
Nov 24 12:29:08 <krycek_> or the community supports those browsers someway
Nov 24 12:29:12 <swisstomcat> depends on the IE features ... maybe IE9
Nov 24 12:29:39 <Workenhaven> who still uses IE?
Nov 24 12:29:54 <swisstomcat> i don't
Nov 24 12:30:03 <swisstomcat> i've moved on :)
Nov 24 12:30:11 <Workenhaven> the only page you have to display to IE users is a simple
Nov 24 12:30:42 <Workenhaven> "if useragentstring=IE print("Please use a real browser http://mozilla.com/firefox/download/");"
Nov 24 12:34:13 <Bmyers> 62% of one of my customers sites are IE
Nov 24 12:34:26 <Bmyers> 20% firefox
Nov 24 12:34:39 <Bmyers> just 7% chrome
Nov 24 12:35:07 <teemu> And you are 2% of that chrome? ;)
Nov 24 12:35:10 <swisstomcat> bmyers: wow, 62% still?
Nov 24 12:35:28 <Bmyers> i am that 2%
Nov 24 12:35:29 <Workenhaven> the internet really needs to boycot IE, refusing to let people interact with their site if they use it
Nov 24 12:35:34 <teemu> :I
Nov 24 12:35:42 <Workenhaven> the only thing IE is for is downloading firefox on a fresh windows install
Nov 24 12:35:43 <Bmyers> google analytics
Nov 24 12:35:54 <swisstomcat> i don't even use windows anymore
Nov 24 12:35:56 <teemu> It was supposed to be a joke, but now you've ruined it by making it a fact
Nov 24 12:35:58 <Workenhaven> doesn't opera fake it's uas as IE?
Nov 24 12:36:23 <Bmyers> opera is at .032%
Nov 24 12:36:39 <Workenhaven> lol
Nov 24 12:36:52 <hotdp> Bmyers!!!
Nov 24 12:37:03 <Bmyers> hi
Nov 24 12:37:13 <MetaView> the company I work for uses IE for Sharepoint Server access.
Nov 24 12:37:18 <Bmyers> HOT  D P !!!!!!! \o/
Nov 24 12:38:02 <hotdp> I also creates websites
Nov 24 12:38:10 <hotdp> and IE is WAY the larges browser
Nov 24 12:38:19 <hotdp> no doubt
Nov 24 12:38:23 <swisstomcat> for corporate IT, yes
Nov 24 12:38:28 <hotdp> No
Nov 24 12:38:30 <hotdp> For webshops
Nov 24 12:38:33 <swisstomcat> really
Nov 24 12:38:36 <hotdp> yes
Nov 24 12:38:41 <swisstomcat> 6,7,8?
Nov 24 12:38:41 <hotdp> we have GA on all our sites
Nov 24 12:38:49 <swisstomcat> ga?
Nov 24 12:38:56 <hotdp> not so many 6 in denmark but still few
Nov 24 12:39:02 <hotdp> google analystics
Nov 24 12:39:09 <swisstomcat> oh
Nov 24 12:39:17 <swisstomcat> on my site, IE is 2.9%
Nov 24 12:39:27 <hotdp> maybe because of its content
Nov 24 12:39:30 <swisstomcat> yeah
Nov 24 12:39:37 <hotdp> but webshops are used by "normal" people
Nov 24 12:39:43 <hotdp> maybe at there work or at home
Nov 24 12:40:05 <hotdp> Sad but true :)
Nov 24 12:40:06 <swisstomcat> it really depends on the website
Nov 24 12:40:14 <Bmyers> of that 62%.. ie 8 is 49%, ie 7 is 39% and ie 6 is 11%
Nov 24 12:40:27 <swisstomcat> it will get better ... because more and more mobile users are on the internet
Nov 24 12:41:29 <Bmyers> does IE 8 support web transitions ?
Nov 24 12:41:37 <swisstomcat> web transitions?
Nov 24 12:41:43 <Bmyers> css transitions
Nov 24 12:41:47 <swisstomcat> nope
Nov 24 12:41:52 <swisstomcat> ie9 does
Nov 24 12:41:55 <Bmyers> seriously ?
Nov 24 12:42:03 <swisstomcat> the latest preview does i think
Nov 24 12:42:10 <swisstomcat> yeah, they're seeing the light
Nov 24 12:42:12 <Bmyers> geeze thats lame..
Nov 24 12:42:17 <swisstomcat> why?
Nov 24 12:42:25 <hotdp> yer ie 9 is the first "working browser"
Nov 24 12:42:29 <hotdp> took some versions
Nov 24 12:42:36 <swisstomcat> yeah
Nov 24 12:42:44 <Bmyers> hey hotdp  hows your franken-pre2 ?
Nov 24 12:42:53 <hotdp> LOL "my" site has more visitors from ie 6 then ie7 :S
Nov 24 12:42:54 <swisstomcat> lots missing still tho .. and the other browsers are not standing still either
Nov 24 12:43:13 <Bmyers> what is "your" site?
Nov 24 12:43:13 <hotdp> Bmyers my pre is awsome
Nov 24 12:43:14 <swisstomcat> webworkers,geolocation,indexeddb,fileapi,deviceapi,...
Nov 24 12:43:40 <Bmyers> you finished it and its working with german app cat?
Nov 24 12:43:43 <hotdp> god paid apps
Nov 24 12:43:48 <swisstomcat> cool
Nov 24 12:43:49 <hotdp> amd everything. It is awsome
Nov 24 12:43:53 <swisstomcat> with a german credit card?
Nov 24 12:43:56 <hotdp> yer
Nov 24 12:43:58 <Bmyers> congrats to you
Nov 24 12:44:01 <swisstomcat> how did you get that?
Nov 24 12:44:12 <hotdp> i transferred my comm board
Nov 24 12:44:20 <swisstomcat> i mean the german credit card
Nov 24 12:44:23 <Bmyers> did you yell " IT'S ALIVE, IT'S ALIVE!!!" when you fired it up again?
Nov 24 12:44:28 <hotdp> clear wire i think its called
Nov 24 12:44:39 <hotdp> Bmyers: something like that :P
Nov 24 12:44:54 <hotdp> while there was thunder outside
Nov 24 12:45:00 <Bmyers> mad scientist style ?
Nov 24 12:45:05 <hotdp> hehe
Nov 24 12:45:14 <MetaView> you transfered the comm board from your old Pre to the new Pre2?
Nov 24 12:45:19 <hotdp> swisstomcat: you talked about your job situation?
Nov 24 12:45:24 <hotdp> MetaView yes
Nov 24 12:45:28 <MetaView> cool
Nov 24 12:45:42 <Bmyers> hotdp:  what is the url of "your" website?
Nov 24 12:45:47 <MetaView> and the app cat is tied to the motherboard?
Nov 24 12:45:48 <hotdp> 1 sec
Nov 24 12:45:57 <hotdp> its tied to the comm board
Nov 24 12:46:02 <MetaView> ok
Nov 24 12:46:03 <Bmyers> and it's id
Nov 24 12:46:06 <hotdp> sadly
Nov 24 12:46:33 <swisstomcat> it's tied to the IMEI
Nov 24 12:46:36 <hotdp> Bmyers: http://www.dpmobilesolutions.com/ <-- but not totally up to date with all apps
Nov 24 12:46:38 <swisstomcat> i think
Nov 24 12:46:44 <hotdp> swisstomcat your wrong
Nov 24 12:46:56 <swisstomcat> why?
Nov 24 12:47:01 <swisstomcat> isn't the IMEI on the comms board?
Nov 24 12:47:36 <hotdp> sorry read wrong
Nov 24 12:47:55 <hotdp> comm board/EMEI
Nov 24 12:48:18 <hotdp> but it might also be something else? like ICCID or ? i don't know.. but the comm board for sure :)
Nov 24 12:48:28 <Bmyers> nice looking site hotdp  hand coded or a CMS?
Nov 24 12:48:39 <hotdp> yer
Nov 24 12:48:43 <hotdp> its MVC
Nov 24 12:48:57 <swisstomcat> mine is www.thinmachine.ch ... hand-coded :)
Nov 24 12:49:02 <hotdp> and not so nice :P but OK
Nov 24 12:49:19 <hotdp> swisstomcat the pre image?
Nov 24 12:49:29 <swisstomcat> found it somewhere
Nov 24 12:49:30 <swisstomcat> :)
Nov 24 12:49:39 <hotdp> but should it be there ? in the middkle?
Nov 24 12:50:28 <swisstomcat> yeah
Nov 24 12:50:38 <hotdp> oki :)
Nov 24 12:50:57 <hotdp> and the job thing?
Nov 24 12:50:57 <swisstomcat> not with IE tho .. it moves over to the right there
Nov 24 12:51:06 <swisstomcat> i had the second interview
Nov 24 12:51:14 <swisstomcat> looking pretty good
Nov 24 12:51:20 <swisstomcat> but still looking at other jobs too
Nov 24 12:51:29 <hotdp> where is that located?
Nov 24 12:51:32 <swisstomcat> and waiting on palm to see if they react at all
Nov 24 12:51:52 <hotdp> think it would have been good for your job situation to have come to dev day..
Nov 24 12:52:30 <swisstomcat> yeah
Nov 24 12:52:31 <swisstomcat> i know
Nov 24 12:52:36 <swisstomcat> it was just not possible
Nov 24 12:52:39 <swisstomcat> :/
Nov 24 12:53:58 <swisstomcat> the one company is in zurich
Nov 24 12:54:21 <swisstomcat> other jobs are in germany and london ... and new york
Nov 24 12:54:23 <hotdp> oki
Nov 24 12:54:34 <hotdp> :)
Nov 24 12:54:39 <Bmyers> didnt see palm jobs in NY
Nov 24 12:54:42 <Bmyers> are there ?
Nov 24 12:54:47 <swisstomcat> not palm
Nov 24 12:54:57 <swisstomcat> palm never reacted to my application
Nov 24 12:55:23 <Bmyers> oh.
Nov 24 12:55:27 <MetaView> willing to move?
Nov 24 12:55:31 <swisstomcat> yeah
Nov 24 12:55:53 <swisstomcat> i wouldn't mind to go to the US for a year or to .. and then go back to europe to do dev relations
Nov 24 12:56:05 <swisstomcat> never heard back from them tho :/
Nov 24 12:56:06 <MetaView> with family?
Nov 24 12:56:09 <swisstomcat> yeah
Nov 24 12:56:19 <hotdp> what do the family say for 1-2 years?
Nov 24 12:56:19 <MetaView> btw. what#s about the newborn?
Nov 24 12:56:25 <swisstomcat> still waiting ...
Nov 24 12:56:30 <swisstomcat> he's overdue
Nov 24 12:56:30 <MetaView> oh, ok
Nov 24 12:56:30 <Bmyers> we have the worlds best cocktail dancers here in the US , right hotdp  ?
Nov 24 12:56:38 <swisstomcat> oh really
Nov 24 12:56:42 <hotdp> DAMN RIGHT Bmyers :P
Nov 24 12:56:50 <MetaView> my 2nd took 14 days, then he was forced to come out :)
Nov 24 12:56:53 <swisstomcat> i used to live in NYC for one year
Nov 24 12:57:08 <swisstomcat> metaview: we're at T+6
Nov 24 12:57:11 <MetaView> we hav the shittiest weather, at least right now
Nov 24 12:57:12 <hotdp> but does the family say ok?
Nov 24 12:57:25 <swisstomcat> yeah
Nov 24 12:58:18 <hotdp> cool
Nov 24 12:59:06 <swisstomcat> i'm disappointed that they never said a word on my application .. not even an acknowledgement .. nothing
Nov 24 12:59:43 <Bmyers> might have been worth the trip to dev days to introduce yourself in person
Nov 24 13:00:04 <swisstomcat> yeah
Nov 24 13:00:26 <swisstomcat> it was just not possible .. the duedate for baby #2 was 18.11
Nov 24 13:00:29 <swisstomcat> can't leave then
Nov 24 13:01:00 <Bmyers> you have to deliver your own babies in your country?
Nov 24 13:01:12 <Bmyers> we have doctors for that here in the US
Nov 24 13:01:29 <swisstomcat> can't fly 9 months pregnant
Nov 24 13:01:41 <MetaView> the baby has then the possibility to become the president of US later
Nov 24 13:01:47 <swisstomcat> hehe
Nov 24 13:01:47 <Bmyers> oh, YOU are with child?
Nov 24 13:01:56 <swisstomcat> no :)
Nov 24 13:02:17 <swisstomcat> can't leave a pregnant wife behind to go to new york
Nov 24 13:02:19 <MetaView> oh, you speak about a doctorfor the father
Nov 24 13:04:02 <Bmyers> hotpd could have tested one of your apps out last friday night..
Nov 24 13:04:24 <swisstomcat> The source code of the "@Palm Developer Day NYC 2010" #webOS App is now on github: http://bit.ly/gIse4a
Nov 24 13:05:45 <Bmyers> swisstomcat:  does it link thru to the youtube videos of the presentations ?
Nov 24 13:05:58 <swisstomcat> no
Nov 24 13:06:04 <swisstomcat> that's an idea for the next dev day app
Nov 24 13:07:52 <Bmyers> adora is big into twitter. you might gain some HPalm visibility that way
Nov 24 13:08:37 <swisstomcat> they already know me :)
Nov 24 13:08:54 <swisstomcat> i've met adora,chuq,lemketron and others
Nov 24 13:09:05 <hotdp> Bmyers: what app?
Nov 24 13:09:20 <pc-world> What's wrong on this command? I see no error on palm-log but execution stops after this command: "var files = obj.responseJSON.dirs.concat(obj.responseJSON.files);"
Nov 24 13:09:24 <Bmyers> how drunk
Nov 24 13:09:42 <hotdp> hehe its a good app :)
Nov 24 13:14:44 <Bmyers> 4 minutes..
Nov 24 13:27:49 <hotdp> 4 min ?
Nov 24 13:27:59 <swisstomcat> 5 min
Nov 24 13:30:09 <hotdp> 5 min ?
Nov 24 13:34:17 <Bmyers> the pc-world guy. asks a question and cant wait more than 4 minutes for someone to answer him
Nov 24 13:34:29 <swisstomcat> oh
Nov 24 13:34:50 <Bmyers> hotdp:  peter is part of the same company as you , correct ?
Nov 24 13:36:44 <wastrel> hi
Nov 24 13:36:46 <wastrel> i'm at work
Nov 24 13:37:05 <wastrel> i have 14 tickets in my queue
Nov 24 13:46:54 <hotdp> Bmyers yes. We are together
Nov 24 13:47:13 <hotdp> But he has only made one webos app until now ( one that is not there yet(hp))
Nov 24 13:47:25 <Bmyers> is hey ever in here?
Nov 24 13:47:39 <Bmyers> s/hey/he
Nov 24 13:48:07 <hotdp> not very often he is very IRC shy
Nov 24 13:49:58 <melchiorsen> somebody asked for me?
Nov 24 13:50:26 <hotdp> hehe Bmyers there is PETER
Nov 24 13:50:42 <Bmyers> h
Nov 24 13:50:45 <Bmyers> heh
Nov 24 13:50:59 <Bmyers> hotmelchiorsen  !!!! \o/
Nov 24 13:51:12 <melchiorsen> bmyers...
Nov 24 13:51:19 <hotdp> omg
Nov 24 13:51:23 <hotdp> mr martini
Nov 24 13:51:35 <Palmtini> thats me
Nov 24 13:51:40 <hotdp> there we go D:
Nov 24 13:51:51 <hotdp> hehe
Nov 24 13:52:01 <Palmtini> i was just asking hotdp  is you ever spend time in here...
Nov 24 13:52:32 <melchiorsen> I would like to, but I'm learning
Nov 24 13:52:56 <Palmtini> learning what ? how to be hot like dp?
Nov 24 13:53:15 <melchiorsen> I see how many great frinds hotdp gets here, so i 'm gonna be here more often
Nov 24 13:53:27 <MetaView> there are no friends
Nov 24 13:53:38 <melchiorsen> i'll never get as hot as hotdp
Nov 24 13:53:46 * hotdp is hot
Nov 24 13:53:54 <Palmtini> maybe it's the scarf ..
Nov 24 13:54:01 <hotdp> lol
Nov 24 13:54:01 <Palmtini> have you tried a scarf ?
Nov 24 13:54:03 <hotdp> hahaaha
Nov 24 13:54:29 <melchiorsen> yes it did not work... I guess I need to drink more pink martinies
Nov 24 13:54:47 * hotdp thinks the pink martinies smelled sweeit
Nov 24 13:54:56 <Palmtini> that just makes everyone else look better..
Nov 24 13:55:06 <hotdp> haha bet thats right
Nov 24 13:55:38 <melchiorsen> not needed in the bowling alley though :S
Nov 24 13:55:40 <Palmtini> i'm just happy haeffb is 6'6" and an easy target to follow down the street
Nov 24 13:55:58 <hotdp> æpæ
Nov 24 13:55:59 <Palmtini> i would have slept on the street that night otherwise..
Nov 24 13:56:04 <hotdp> hehe
Nov 24 13:56:31 <hotdp> good you should not do the presentation when you came back to the hotel
Nov 24 13:57:54 <Palmtini> hotpd is your company your primary source of income or do you two keep day jobs?
Nov 24 13:58:16 <hotdp> we work together at our day jobs
Nov 24 13:58:38 <hotdp> the company income paid for some of our NYC trip
Nov 24 13:58:46 <hotdp> thats what we have decided to use the money on
Nov 24 13:58:56 <Workenhaven> why go to NYC?
Nov 24 13:58:59 <Workenhaven> it's a shithole
Nov 24 13:59:21 <hotdp> Workenhaven: was that serius?
Nov 24 13:59:25 <Workenhaven> yea
Nov 24 13:59:29 <hotdp> lol
Nov 24 13:59:33 <Workenhaven> i mean, i hate cities in general
Nov 24 13:59:42 <melchiorsen> I guess it is a better shithole than where we come from...
Nov 24 13:59:51 <Workenhaven> but NYC is worse than atlanta, and that's pretty hard
Nov 24 13:59:58 * hotdp looks at hes free Pre 2 and think its worth the trip
Nov 24 14:00:04 <melchiorsen> Have you ever been to Denmark?
Nov 24 14:00:10 <Workenhaven> yes
Nov 24 14:00:20 <swisstomcat> nyc rocks
Nov 24 14:00:35 <swisstomcat> it's strange to use a pre plus after using a pre2 for a while
Nov 24 14:00:35 * hotdp likes nyc
Nov 24 14:00:45 <hotdp> how strange?
Nov 24 14:00:53 <melchiorsen> I like NYC too... would go again any day
Nov 24 14:01:00 <Workenhaven> i live in the south, people from the NY area to me are rude, annoying, and perpetually angry
Nov 24 14:01:20 <hotdp> Workenhaven: south`?
Nov 24 14:01:21 <Palmtini> hmm..
Nov 24 14:01:25 <Palmtini> interesting .
Nov 24 14:01:27 <Workenhaven> georgia
Nov 24 14:01:32 <Workenhaven> above florida
Nov 24 14:01:40 <Workenhaven> below tennessee and south carolina
Nov 24 14:01:45 <Workenhaven> east of alabama
Nov 24 14:01:54 <hotdp> i like how you can say a whole city is rude
Nov 24 14:02:05 <Palmtini> lives in NY
Nov 24 14:02:16 <hotdp> then you are rude
Nov 24 14:02:19 <Workenhaven> well atlanta is a shithole too
Nov 24 14:02:21 <Workenhaven> and i live here
Nov 24 14:02:38 <MetaView> btw: where do you live in Denmark?
Nov 24 14:02:47 <hotdp> Odense
Nov 24 14:03:06 <hotdp> the "island" in the middle
Nov 24 14:03:15 <MetaView> Odense, ok, I guess I pass it when goin to sweden?
Nov 24 14:03:26 <hotdp> depends where your going from ?
Nov 24 14:03:30 <MetaView> Germany
Nov 24 14:03:34 <hotdp> in car?
Nov 24 14:03:58 <MetaView> yes
Nov 24 14:04:04 <hotdp> then yes
Nov 24 14:04:26 <MetaView> Rostock->Gedser->Helsingör->Helsingborg
Nov 24 14:04:49 <hotdp> why?
Nov 24 14:04:54 <MetaView> why not?
Nov 24 14:05:01 <hotdp> why?
Nov 24 14:05:02 <melchiorsen> then  you will not pass Odense
Nov 24 14:05:03 <MetaView> Going to Göteborg from time to time
Nov 24 14:05:17 <MetaView> but it's written somewhere on the street, or?
Nov 24 14:05:38 <wastrel> hi
Nov 24 14:24:47 <Bmyers> haeffb_pre: !!!!! \o/
Nov 24 14:29:34 <haeffb_pre> hotdp !!!! \o/
Nov 24 15:07:52 <wastrel> http://www.androidcentral.com/graffiti-android-great-keyboard-replacement-fun-use
Nov 24 15:22:33 <wastrel> ^^^ graffiti for android :]
Nov 24 15:37:33 <KGF2009> Where is the object of a text-field stored (named 'user-field') such that I can run a getValue() on it?
Nov 24 15:51:13 <MetaView> get(id).mojo
Nov 24 15:55:12 <KGF2009> What holds the get function? Because apparently it's not by itself.
Nov 24 15:55:41 <haeffb_pre> .mojo.getValue()
Nov 24 15:56:16 <KGF2009> Okay, here's what I put.
Nov 24 15:56:35 <KGF2009> var u = get("user-field").mojo.getValue();
Nov 24 15:56:45 <KGF2009> And I get an error saying 'get' doesn't exist.
Nov 24 15:57:17 <MetaView> this.controller.get("")
Nov 24 15:57:38 <MetaView> just anyway to get the instance of the DOM element
Nov 24 15:59:24 <rlopin> Is this irc channel appropriate for asking for help with a specific app (e.g., Opensource app Navit) on the WebOS platform?
Nov 24 15:59:52 <MetaView> you can do it, maybe someone knows somethign about it
Nov 24 16:00:06 <wastrel> rlopin: MetaView is happy to help with any topic
Nov 24 16:00:10 <MetaView> for instance hape, who isn#t here right now
Nov 24 16:00:15 <rlopin> I made the mistake of posting a question on Webos internals and got the death cone of silence :-)
Nov 24 16:00:37 <MetaView> they have different things to talk about
Nov 24 16:01:14 <KGF2009> "cannot call method 'get' of undefined'
Nov 24 16:01:19 <MetaView> wastrel: no not reall, bbl
Nov 24 16:03:04 <rlopin> I was at DevDay 2010 in NYC and received a free Pre2. Unfortunetly, I am on Sprint so I can't use it as a phone. At the very least I was hoping to use for GPS. So I installed Navit and downloaded a US Map, but the app just shows a blank map. Was wondering if anyone has had any success at getting Navit to work on the Pre2.
Nov 24 16:04:15 <Rick_work> rlopin  you're a few days/weeks ahead of the curve there.
Nov 24 16:04:40 <Rick_work> None of the navit crew have pre2's yet
Nov 24 16:05:06 <CTLAdvance> morning everyone
Nov 24 16:05:15 <rlopin> I never got it working on my original Pre either actually.
Nov 24 16:05:34 <KGF2009> All right, how about a different wording of the question; how do I get the value of text field "user-field"?
Nov 24 16:06:16 <haeffb_pre> KGF2009: this.controller is undefined in the function where you're trying to get the value...scoping issue
Nov 24 16:06:37 <KGF2009> I don't see how..
Nov 24 16:06:56 <rlopin> But with my original Pre I at least got a GPS fix. With the Pre2 it doesn't seem to even gt a fix.  Is there an irc channel or website forum where I can monitor progress for the Pre2 (other than the WebOS-internals Wiki page)?
Nov 24 16:07:01 <KGF2009> It's being called from LoginAssistant.prototype.login.
Nov 24 16:07:09 <Tibfib> morning everyone!
Nov 24 16:07:24 <Tibfib> KGF2009: pastie
Nov 24 16:12:08 <KGF2009> Ugh, emulator completely owns my CPU.
Nov 24 16:12:33 <haeffb_pre> KGF2009: how do you vall login?
Nov 24 16:12:38 <haeffb_pre> call
Nov 24 16:13:27 <KGF2009> this.login()
Nov 24 16:14:54 <CTLAdvance> rlopin what are you looking to do
Nov 24 16:15:11 <KGF2009> http://pastie.org/1323175
Nov 24 16:15:48 <rlopin> CTLAdvance: Looking to get Navit working on Unlocked-NoSIM GSM Pre2
Nov 24 16:15:50 <haeffb_pre> this.login.bind(this);
Nov 24 16:16:29 <KGF2009> Ohh, now I feel stupid.
Nov 24 16:18:36 <haeffb_pre> KGF2009: you can't reuse this.model for different widgets
Nov 24 16:19:05 <KGF2009> Oh?
Nov 24 16:19:20 <haeffb_pre> this.myWidget1model   this.myWidget2model....
Nov 24 16:19:31 <Tibfib> KGF2009: you aren't binding this.login
Nov 24 16:19:35 <Tibfib> dangit haeffb
Nov 24 16:20:06 <CTLAdvance> rlopin - I was unaware of it working without a sim/network connect
Nov 24 16:20:15 <CTLAdvance> by default anyways
Nov 24 16:20:21 <CTLAdvance> I could be wrong
Nov 24 16:20:40 <haeffb_pre> Tibfib: show how to set up event handler...
Nov 24 16:20:59 <CTLAdvance> I think you need to tell it to bypass the network assisted gps
Nov 24 16:21:17 <haeffb_pre> & explain why you can't reuse this.model
Nov 24 16:21:50 <Ice8lue> heyho
Nov 24 16:22:15 <MetaView> CTLAdvance GPS works also without bnetwork
Nov 24 16:22:19 <KGF2009> I know how to do an event handler, that was just a mistake on my part.
Nov 24 16:22:21 <rlopin> CTLAdvance: I was under the impression Navit only used the GPS chip.
Nov 24 16:22:23 <MetaView> takes some time but it works
Nov 24 16:22:29 <MetaView> without changes
Nov 24 16:22:40 <CTLAdvance> oh thats good to hear
Nov 24 16:22:56 <CTLAdvance> maybe I waited long enough
Nov 24 16:22:59 <rlopin> It should not rely on aGPS at all I thought.
Nov 24 16:23:02 <MetaView> KGF2009: what about other GPS apps? will they get a fix?
Nov 24 16:23:14 <rlopin> So maybe I need to get near a window so it can get a fix first
Nov 24 16:23:18 <Tibfib> KGF2009: http://pastie.org/1323198
Nov 24 16:23:26 <MetaView> s / KGF2009 / rlopin
Nov 24 16:23:26 <Tibfib> using villo eh?
Nov 24 16:23:43 <CTLAdvance> rlopin non agps needs a clear view of the sky
Nov 24 16:23:54 <rlopin> I wish there was an App in Preware I could download to see if the phone is getting a GPS fix. Maybe there are ### codes for the phone app.
Nov 24 16:24:01 <MetaView> MapTool
Nov 24 16:24:08 <CTLAdvance> agps works on the cell towers so you can be in a building as long as you have signal
Nov 24 16:24:16 <CTLAdvance> but its not accurate
Nov 24 16:24:18 <MetaView> agps also works with wifi
Nov 24 16:24:27 <MetaView> accuracy around 500 meters
Nov 24 16:24:31 <MetaView> her in Berlin
Nov 24 16:24:34 <MetaView> +e
Nov 24 16:24:38 <CTLAdvance> doesnt do that here
Nov 24 16:24:47 <rlopin> Metaview: Thanks for that -- I had just searched for "Map" but Preware returned no search results for that
Nov 24 16:24:48 <CTLAdvance> says I am 300 miles away
Nov 24 16:24:52 <MetaView> depends of what Google collected
Nov 24 16:25:00 <CTLAdvance> yeah and I have google off
Nov 24 16:25:07 <MetaView> rlopin: try MapTool
Nov 24 16:25:31 <MetaView> neither cell tower nor wifi position worjks without google
Nov 24 16:25:34 <MetaView> they have the data
Nov 24 16:25:54 <CTLAdvance> cell tower works without google
Nov 24 16:26:10 <CTLAdvance> it uses cell tower triangulation from what I understand
Nov 24 16:26:21 <MetaView> not here, someone needs to provide the location info to the cell station id
Nov 24 16:26:25 <KGF2009> Tibfib: What'd you change other than creating a 'function does not exist' error?
Nov 24 16:26:35 <Tibfib> lol
Nov 24 16:26:35 <MetaView> but the cell stations doesn't send there position
Nov 24 16:26:37 <Tibfib> let me see
Nov 24 16:26:49 <CTLAdvance> interesting
Nov 24 16:27:33 <Tibfib> KGF2009: can you give me a line?
Nov 24 16:27:42 <MetaView> there are different sites colection position data for cell towers, but only google knows them all (or better almost :)
Nov 24 16:27:56 <MetaView> rlopin: MapTool is in precentral-feed
Nov 24 16:28:06 <rlopin> With SprintNav, it uses aGPS (cell tower triangulation) to get a fast initial fix, but poor accuracy. When GPS chip locks onto enough satellites it switches over for accuracy.
Nov 24 16:28:29 <KGF2009> Tibfib: Line of what?
Nov 24 16:28:32 <Tibfib> the error
Nov 24 16:28:37 <MetaView> btw: at least here it is no triangulation, is just the closest tower
Nov 24 16:28:59 <MetaView> you can easily see it when you move to your location on the map, then you find the tower
Nov 24 16:29:01 <KGF2009> Oh, I'm just saying you changed this.login to this.loginHandler..Which doesn't exist. XD
Nov 24 16:29:14 <Tibfib> it does
Nov 24 16:29:27 <Tibfib> it is a line above the event listener
Nov 24 16:29:51 <rlopin> MetaView: Thanks,  I had just searched for "Map" but Preware returned no search results for that. I tried the full searchterm "MapTool" and have installed it.  "No Location Fix" for last 2 minutes. I need clear line of site to the sky -- gonna move towards a window now.
Nov 24 16:29:54 <KGF2009> Oh, hello.
Nov 24 16:30:47 <MetaView> btw. in webos-internals they speak about navit on Pre2
Nov 24 16:30:51 <Tibfib> KGF2009: that's the proper way to listen to events. also see the cleanup for stopping to listen
Nov 24 16:31:45 <sugardave> listeners in setup?  stop listening in cleanup.  listeners in activate?  stop listening in deactivate
Nov 24 16:32:12 <sugardave> Mojo Law
Nov 24 16:32:20 * Tibfib keeps to setup/cleanup
Nov 24 16:32:40 * MetaView doesn't deactivate
Nov 24 16:32:50 * MetaView doesn't stop listening
Nov 24 16:32:52 <sugardave> but...but...you don't need button listeners taking up shit when the scene isn't active :O
Nov 24 16:33:14 <Tibfib> whatever floats your boat
Nov 24 16:34:00 <Rick_work> stuff like that is the source of memory leaks.
Nov 24 16:34:06 <MetaView> rlopin: btw, first fix can take almost ages, later wil come up earlier
Nov 24 16:34:08 <haeffb_pre> sugardave speaks truth
Nov 24 16:34:27 * haeffb_pre rarely listens though
Nov 24 16:34:31 <sugardave> heh
Nov 24 16:34:32 <swisstomcat> just use enyo .. no more listeners stuff
Nov 24 16:34:44 <sugardave> swisstomcat: ok!
Nov 24 16:34:50 * sugardave goes to download it.
Nov 24 16:34:51 <sugardave> DAMMIT
Nov 24 16:34:53 <haeffb_pre> swisstomcat: great idea.
Nov 24 16:35:04 <swisstomcat> what, you don't use enyo yet?
Nov 24 16:35:10 * MetaView doesn't understand why the framwork can#t remove the listeners when the scene goes off from the stack
Nov 24 16:35:28 * haeffb_pre is depressed that anivrom was right all this time
Nov 24 16:35:46 * CTLAdvance agrees with metaview and blames oil
Nov 24 16:36:07 <KGF2009> Alright, finally I get this thing to log in properly.
Nov 24 16:36:15 <Tibfib> dang, I love svgs
Nov 24 16:36:20 <MetaView> rlopin: btw, I have a Pixi CDMA device here and would need a Pre2 GSM, what about an exchange :)
Nov 24 16:36:22 <sugardave> haeffb_pre: maybe he was, but we'll see if I still get around better in Enyo without Ares
Nov 24 16:36:38 <rlopin> MetaView: Got a fix using MapTools after placing phone near window. 2 minutes to get fix. Now relaunching Navit. Fingers crossed.
Nov 24 16:36:42 <sugardave> MetaView: good luck with that! :D
Nov 24 16:36:55 <MetaView> thx ;)
Nov 24 16:37:08 <rlopin> Metaview: LOL!
Nov 24 16:38:26 <rlopin> Metaview: How about I pay you for the CDMA radio in your Pixi? Is it identical to the Pre?
Nov 24 16:39:34 <MetaView> rlopin: I don't know
Nov 24 16:39:48 <MetaView> I don't have the right screwdriver to unassemble it
Nov 24 16:40:51 <rlopin> btw, this is the error I got in the logs when first trying to run Navit. Looks more like a map issue: PDL_ServiceCallWithCallback failed
Nov 24 16:40:52 <rlopin> map_binfile:map_binfile_open:Failed to load '/media/internal/appdata/org.webosinternals.navit//maps/*.bin'
Nov 24 16:40:52 <rlopin> navit:main_real
Nov 24 16:41:59 <KGF2009> How do I get a text box on the bottom of the screen in the HTML?
Nov 24 16:42:17 <sugardave> css
Nov 24 16:42:24 <Tibfib> KGF2009: like messaging app?
Nov 24 16:42:24 <MetaView> css position: absolut
Nov 24 16:42:36 <KGF2009> Tibfib: Yep.
Nov 24 16:42:36 <MetaView> position-bottom: 0
Nov 24 16:42:45 <sugardave> bottom: 0px;
Nov 24 16:42:46 <MetaView> px
Nov 24 16:42:58 <Tibfib> KGF2009: it is kind of a pain in the butt
Nov 24 16:43:25 <KGF2009> How so?
Nov 24 16:43:33 <sugardave> meh, it's not that bad
Nov 24 16:43:34 <Tibfib> the position itself is easy, but getting it to work properly is annoying
Nov 24 16:43:44 <Tibfib> sugardave: bah, you haven't spent hours on mojo messenger!
Nov 24 16:43:49 <sugardave> true
Nov 24 16:44:14 <Tibfib> I may have did it in a poor way tho
Nov 24 16:44:17 <sugardave> my method I use for rock-solid scrollers can also be applied to this
Nov 24 16:44:34 <Tibfib> done it*
Nov 24 16:44:37 <sugardave> on fixed scene wrapper div, with top, bottom, right, and left all set to 0px;
Nov 24 16:44:54 <sugardave> then everything else inside gets absolute positioning...works great :D
Nov 24 16:45:14 <Tibfib> yeah, I did the textfield thing stupidly
Nov 24 16:45:59 <KGF2009> So would a list be the best way to display the messages?
Nov 24 16:46:18 <Tibfib> yep
Nov 24 16:46:31 <Tibfib> imo, I like the lists
Nov 24 16:46:35 <sugardave> KGF2009: what are you working on?
Nov 24 16:46:52 <sugardave> I used to be afraid of lists, but now we're pretty tight
Nov 24 16:46:55 <rlopin> MetaView: Navit finally rendered the blue dot showing my location, but no map is rendering underneath it.
Nov 24 16:46:57 <KGF2009> Trying out the Villo API, making a test chat app.
Nov 24 16:46:58 <Tibfib> sugardave: same!
Nov 24 16:50:23 <MetaView> rlopin: the error from the start
Nov 24 16:50:33 <MetaView> '/media/internal/appdata/org.webosinternals.navit//maps/*.bin'
Nov 24 16:50:43 <MetaView> what is at this place on your device?
Nov 24 16:51:06 <haeffb_pre> Installed: College Basketball Live !!!
Nov 24 16:51:34 <MetaView> Installed: MapTool Pro
Nov 24 16:51:54 <sugardave> installed: nothing since Spaz
Nov 24 16:52:27 <sugardave> I may get a pay-as-you go SIM today
Nov 24 16:52:31 <MetaView> Spaz doesn#t really work
Nov 24 16:52:33 <MetaView> for me
Nov 24 16:52:37 <funkatron> yeah really
Nov 24 16:52:57 <MetaView> it hangs from time to time on update, like the JS is timeing out
Nov 24 16:53:16 <sugardave> I'm not a twitter power-user, but it seems to work for me....I get TMC errors when I have it and wirc going at the same time, though
Nov 24 16:55:06 <torchie> spaz interface is a bit frustrating
Nov 24 16:55:08 <rlopin> MetaView: That is the directory structure Navit creates when you first run it. You then drop the map into the maps folder
Nov 24 16:55:16 <funkatron> super frustrating
Nov 24 16:55:18 <rlopin> (using USB drive mode)
Nov 24 16:55:18 <MetaView> and the map is there?
Nov 24 16:55:34 <torchie> I use twee, but man does it run like poop
Nov 24 16:55:37 <MetaView> is your internal write-protected?
Nov 24 16:55:44 <torchie> like there's general webos-choppiness
Nov 24 16:55:51 <funkatron> MetaView: like the JS is timing out? Surely you can put lumberjack on there and look.
Nov 24 16:55:51 <torchie> but twee makes it triple D:
Nov 24 16:55:53 <MetaView> I use 2TwitMe and I'm satisfied
Nov 24 16:56:13 <MetaView> funkatron: I tried sevaral days to debug  and fix it
Nov 24 16:56:17 <funkatron> torchie: Spaz is open source and I'm happy to discuss patches and changes
Nov 24 16:56:17 <torchie> and then I see other people kicking ass and taking names with echofon
Nov 24 16:56:19 <torchie> :(
Nov 24 16:56:22 <funkatron> MetaView: which version?
Nov 24 16:56:39 <torchie> funkatron: promote me to usability director!
Nov 24 16:56:43 <MetaView> funkatron: the one from the repository, 2 or 3 month ago
Nov 24 16:56:56 <torchie> I'll give it a super hip interface that all the kids'll love
Nov 24 16:56:56 <funkatron> MetaView: I've made huge changes since then. Try 2.0.
Nov 24 16:57:11 <torchie> 2.0 huh
Nov 24 16:57:15 * torchie preware
Nov 24 16:57:25 <MetaView> I usually do when I need to post a picture
Nov 24 16:57:28 <funkatron> it's in the app catalog.
Nov 24 16:57:34 <torchie> catalog huh
Nov 24 16:57:36 * torchie app catalog
Nov 24 16:58:15 <rlopin> MetaView:  Write protected? I was able to save the map file to it with no problem via USB mode.
Nov 24 16:58:22 <MetaView> but still white text on dark background is nothing I like and timetamps like around 5 hours ago is a no-go for me, as well as a jumping timeline
Nov 24 16:58:43 * haeffb_pre doesn't like CBL UI
Nov 24 16:58:47 <MetaView> rlopin: I speak about the bug in 1.4.5 where the internal is write protected for PDK apps
Nov 24 16:58:59 <MetaView> happens when updating over the air
Nov 24 16:59:34 <funkatron> http://phpadvent.org/2008/less-whining-more-coding-by-elizabeth-smith
Nov 24 17:00:04 <MetaView> funkatron: I do, I wrote my own twitter client, 2 years ago
Nov 24 17:00:08 <MetaView> and still use it
Nov 24 17:00:14 <funkatron> congrats!
Nov 24 17:00:20 <funkatron> so keep working on it.
Nov 24 17:00:44 <MetaView> thx, and I tried to adjust Spaz to my needs, but I really had a hard time to understand it
Nov 24 17:00:51 <funkatron> Sure.
Nov 24 17:01:00 <MetaView> no, I only do bugfixes from time to time
Nov 24 17:01:06 <destinal> funkatron: so I agree with a lot of what's in that article, except, ugh, php
Nov 24 17:01:40 <funkatron> That's not really relevant to the point.
Nov 24 17:02:12 <destinal> funkatron: yeah, definitely agree with the community standards she references..
Nov 24 17:02:30 * sugardave demands hand-holding all the time.
Nov 24 17:04:55 <rlopin> MetaView: The one fstab fixes, right. Wouldn't that have been fixed with a brand new OS install?  I tried downloading terminal to Pre2 to run the command line test for this issue, but Preware hung on install.
Nov 24 17:05:26 <rlopin> Metaview: here is a screen capture of Navit on my Pre2: http://www.flickr.com/photos/25465833@N02/5204071611/
Nov 24 17:05:41 <MetaView> btw: you can see on php how different people added different things because they liked it this way, now you have functions which do the same but different with slightly different names and mixed args...
Nov 24 17:06:08 <destinal> rlopin: reliable sources tell me that terminal does not work on webos 2.0, yet  :(   you could try terminus..
Nov 24 17:06:22 <funkatron> yep
Nov 24 17:06:53 <MetaView> rlopin: I really wonder about the error, it sounds it doesn't find a map, because it can't iterate through the content of this folder
Nov 24 17:07:13 <MetaView> is the map really with .map as extension?
Nov 24 17:07:16 <MetaView> lower case?
Nov 24 17:07:34 <MetaView> sry, .bin
Nov 24 17:07:58 <rlopin> destinal: downloaded terminus, ran it, and *poof* -- Reboot
Nov 24 17:08:10 <sugardave> it's a feature
Nov 24 17:08:29 <destinal> rlopin: right now far too few have webos 2.0 for working on the fix for terminal, terminal relies on a palm-unsupported NPAPI interface (like Classic, except Classic had help from palm, we had to figure it out based on standard webkit + palm's patches)
Nov 24 17:08:45 <destinal> it tends to break every several releases of webos
Nov 24 17:09:16 <MetaView> destinal: what is this NPAPI used for?
Nov 24 17:09:33 <MetaView> wouldn#t it work just as frontend/backend-service?
Nov 24 17:09:34 <destinal> MetaView: it's kind of the gold standard in the browser world for plugin modules
Nov 24 17:09:41 <destinal> flash uses it for instance
Nov 24 17:10:10 <destinal> once upon a time before there was PDK, NPAPI was the only way to get native binaries to be able to draw in Luna
Nov 24 17:11:54 <destinal> I have some plans to do a hybrid app to solve the problem in a more supportable way (and eventually get into the catalog) but if we want something out by the time everyone's running 2.0 we'll probably just have to find the new break and fix it.
Nov 24 17:12:33 <destinal> NPAPI has some downsides in that your plugin becomes part of the LunaSysMgr process and so if you crash you take Luna down with you
Nov 24 17:12:38 <MetaView> therefor one needs a 2.0 device :)
Nov 24 17:12:47 <destinal> MetaView: exactly
Nov 24 17:12:48 * sugardave is stoked for some rice dressing tomorrow.
Nov 24 17:12:56 <MetaView> rice?
Nov 24 17:13:07 <MetaView> how is the PDF reader in 2.0?
Nov 24 17:13:10 <MetaView> better?
Nov 24 17:13:18 <sugardave> yeah, it is delicious, with italian sausage and other goodness
Nov 24 17:13:35 <destinal> mmm.. PDF readers, delicious...
Nov 24 17:14:18 <torchie> how's the skype messenger
Nov 24 17:14:52 <destinal> torchie: isn't skype in the verizon build only?
Nov 24 17:14:56 <rlopin> Metaview: It does sound like it is unable to read the map folder contents. Wierd. It's in a directory it created.
Nov 24 17:15:09 <torchie> dunno
Nov 24 17:15:38 <MetaView> rlopin: the extension is lower case? .bin ?
Nov 24 17:16:15 <rlopin> MetaView: yes -- "osm_bbox_-125.4,24.3,-66.5,49.3.bin"
Nov 24 17:16:36 <rlopin> Are those commas allowed?
Nov 24 17:17:00 <MetaView> the commas? why not
Nov 24 17:17:07 <MetaView> but remove the  dots
Nov 24 17:17:20 <rlopin> ok, gonna rename it to "USAMAP.bin"
Nov 24 17:17:41 <MetaView> yeap
Nov 24 17:24:04 <solix> a phone with hdmi output.. pre need that! :)
Nov 24 17:24:31 <SineOt> hdmi is the old news now... needs more of that wireless hd streaming stuff ;D
Nov 24 17:25:57 <solix> lol.. yeah, that too..
Nov 24 17:26:45 <rlopin> MetView: So far no luck. Maptools got a fix in 6 seconds. Navit shows no blue dot, and no map.
Nov 24 17:27:39 <rlopin> MetaView
Nov 24 17:29:30 <MetaView> hm
Nov 24 17:30:17 <torchie> no 'light theme' on spaz?
Nov 24 17:30:22 <funkatron> nope
Nov 24 17:30:28 <sugardave> torchie: make it
Nov 24 17:30:28 <funkatron> wanna do one? go for it.
Nov 24 17:30:30 <sugardave> nao
Nov 24 17:30:46 <torchie> UX DIRECTOR TORCHIE ON THE JOB
Nov 24 17:30:56 <torchie> I don't actually know if I can do this but
Nov 24 17:31:03 <torchie> where's the source
Nov 24 17:31:08 <torchie> is it a git repo
Nov 24 17:31:23 <funkatron> all can be learned here: http://help.getspaz.com/faqs/general-25/contribute
Nov 24 17:32:04 <SineOt> torchie: did you see the Preware on Drugs theme I was working on the other day? lol
Nov 24 17:32:10 <torchie> I didn't :o
Nov 24 17:32:19 <torchie> I saw of it
Nov 24 17:32:38 <SineOt> rwhitby tweeted a link to video of it in action
Nov 24 17:33:12 <SineOt> "Wow, @SineOtter has created a new theme for Preware using just CSS: http://bit.ly/preware-on-drugs "
Nov 24 17:33:50 <SineOt> it also introduced me to the fact that the Pre is kind of dumb when it comes to mime types. It'll play mp4 but not m4v despite the two being the same files with different extensions c_c
Nov 24 17:34:09 <MetaView> use RegisterApp to make it happen
Nov 24 17:34:23 <torchie> lol
Nov 24 17:34:55 <torchie> excuse me did that lightswitch just fall over
Nov 24 17:35:18 <SineOt> yes, yes it did
Nov 24 17:36:43 <torchie> funkatron: these spaz-webos stylesheets, drednaught and whiteknight
Nov 24 17:36:50 <funkatron> yep
Nov 24 17:37:06 <torchie> representative of themes?
Nov 24 17:37:15 <funkatron> yes, dreadnaught is the main theme
Nov 24 17:37:25 <funkatron> there is like 80% of the code ready to do theme switching
Nov 24 17:37:36 <funkatron> just never finished it. it's not a high priority
Nov 24 17:40:15 <MetaView> I was able to use whiteknight, but it looked to me, it was eating memory like nothing
Nov 24 17:40:28 <torchie> hmm really
Nov 24 17:40:34 <MetaView> too much DOM in the timeline
Nov 24 17:40:45 <MetaView> but it was with the WebOS list implementation
Nov 24 17:41:17 <torchie> ok I see themes.json,
Nov 24 17:41:37 <funkatron> I haven't touched that theme in like 10 months
Nov 24 17:41:49 <funkatron> really, anything should just be redone based on current dreadnaught.css
Nov 24 17:42:07 * torchie does comparison of dreadunaught.css and whiteknight.css
Nov 24 17:44:14 <torchie> hmm if you swipe due Tasks off of notifications it disappears forever
Nov 24 17:53:50 * torchie looks in preware
Nov 24 17:53:53 * torchie sees boom action time
Nov 24 17:54:05 * torchie releases fluids
Nov 24 17:56:32 <SineOt> man, CSS3 is really, really  awesome
Nov 24 17:56:58 <SineOt> Flexbox? Awesome. Media queries? awesome
Nov 24 17:58:39 <rlopin> MetaView: was able to make the failed log entry for the map go away by renaming the map from "osm_bbox_-125.4,24.3,-66.5,49.3.bin" to "usa.bin". Now encountered a second error in log file related to some unknown key symbol in the navit.xml file "vehicle_webos:vehicle_webos_open:PDL_ServiceCallWithCallback failed
Nov 24 17:58:39 <rlopin> navit:main_real:Using '/media/internal/appdata/org.webosinternals.navit//navit.xml'
Nov 24 17:58:39 <rlopin> graphics_sdl:graphics_sdl_idle:Unknown key sym: e7
Nov 24 17:58:39 <rlopin> navit"
Nov 24 18:07:38 <torchie> is there a way to see a full size contact picture
Nov 24 18:08:07 <SineOt> not that I know of... I know there's a few ways in code to get the picture though
Nov 24 18:08:17 <torchie> without calling them and hanging up really quickly except that doesn't go as planned because then the phone slows down and ends up ringing a couple of times
Nov 24 18:08:29 <torchie> that way you have to pull out the battery really really quickly
Nov 24 18:08:32 <torchie> but it may be too late
Nov 24 18:09:42 <SineOt> haha... torchie, what in the world are you doing
Nov 24 18:09:57 <torchie> I just wanted to see someone's face :(
Nov 24 18:10:41 <rlopin_> .
Nov 24 18:14:25 <SineOt> aww c:
Nov 24 18:16:34 <torchie> well I haven't gotten a call back
Nov 24 18:19:19 <destinal> rlopin_: wait, terminus crashed your phone too or just terminal?
Nov 24 18:22:28 <torchie> which means they either didn't get the call
Nov 24 18:22:36 <torchie> or got the call and didn't try to call back
Nov 24 18:31:20 <torchie> the dragging on spaz :o
Nov 24 18:31:32 <funkatron> ?
Nov 24 18:32:13 <torchie> the post you touch while scrolling gets lit up as if you're pressing it?
Nov 24 18:32:52 <funkatron> feel free to submit a patch
Nov 24 18:36:11 <torchie> FFSP - ultimate comeback :(
Nov 24 18:36:53 <rlopin_> destinal: terminus crashed phone. I just tried launching it again. Same thing.
Nov 24 18:37:24 <destinal> rlopin_: wow, that's a new one
Nov 24 18:37:50 <funkatron> ;) that's not haterade; just that everyone and their mom has little things they wanna change about stuff, and I'll go nuts if I don't filter them through appropriate channels
Nov 24 18:37:52 <rlopin_> wow - it came back fast -- must have beena luna resart as opposed to a cold boot
Nov 24 18:39:01 <rlopin_> destinal: just tried a 3rd time. This time I got a black screen and solid square cursor in upper left hand corner. But it is unresponsive to any typing.
Nov 24 18:44:10 <torchie> true true
Nov 24 19:03:24 <projectAlarum> Hello everyone
Nov 24 19:04:08 <oil> hello wirc user
Nov 24 19:04:35 <torchie> oil
Nov 24 19:04:39 <torchie> <3 boom action time
Nov 24 19:04:43 <oil> haha
Nov 24 19:05:06 * halfhalo gives oil a cookie
Nov 24 19:05:45 <projectAlarum> Anyone know how to test which device an app is running on? Device ID? Screen resolution?
Nov 24 19:08:22 <KGF2009> I know of an app that can give your device ID, yes.
Nov 24 19:08:42 <KGF2009> But as to getting it, I don't know.
Nov 24 19:11:02 <projectAlarum> Well, I'm looking for something I can use within the app I'm writing, for example, to scale an app if its a pixi...
Nov 24 19:12:06 <CTLAdvance> in javascript you can use screen.width and screen.height to detect the screen size
Nov 24 19:12:41 <CTLAdvance> this way you can adjust object size based on that
Nov 24 19:13:04 <CTLAdvance> call it in the setup function or in the scene assistant
Nov 24 19:13:23 <projectAlarum> Perfect... Would this be affected by notifications shrinking the apps scene?
Nov 24 19:13:33 <CTLAdvance> not that I am aware of
Nov 24 19:14:08 <CTLAdvance> hmm
Nov 24 19:14:10 <CTLAdvance> it might
Nov 24 19:15:41 <CTLAdvance> no I dont think it is
Nov 24 19:16:06 <oil> isnt there some Mojo.DeviceInfo.something?
Nov 24 19:16:22 <CTLAdvance> Yes but it isnt very specific
Nov 24 19:16:22 <halfhalo> Yeah
Nov 24 19:16:32 <CTLAdvance> or it want in the beginning
Nov 24 19:16:44 * halfhalo has a cookie
Nov 24 19:16:48 <SineOt> projectAlarum: what I've seen before in other people's apps is using some touchableRows value
Nov 24 19:16:56 <SineOt> it's 8 if it's a Pixi, 10 if it's a Pre
Nov 24 19:16:57 * CTLAdvance gives halfhalo a second cookie
Nov 24 19:17:06 * halfhalo noms
Nov 24 19:17:16 <SineOt> I'd think that would be the best route because it would then also let you scale up to higher res devices in the future pretty easily
Nov 24 19:17:30 <CTLAdvance> SineOt - It would be easier to just use screen.width/height
Nov 24 19:17:32 <SineOt> since a "HD" phone might have say, 16 touchable rows
Nov 24 19:18:07 <CTLAdvance> I guess that depends on what your doing
Nov 24 19:18:39 <projectAlarum> Right, screen size was my preference specifially for future devices
Nov 24 19:20:31 * CTLAdvance gives oil some popcorn
Nov 24 19:22:03 * oil hates when kernels gets stuck in his teeth
Nov 24 19:22:41 * halfhalo eyes stealinz some popcorn
Nov 24 19:25:37 * SineOt sits in the window, watching for the UPS truck. @_@
Nov 24 19:26:34 <CTLAdvance> does anyone /me has popcorn machine
Nov 24 19:26:38 <CTLAdvance> bah
Nov 24 19:26:41 <CTLAdvance> epic fail
Nov 24 19:26:52 * CTLAdvance hands halfhalo some popcorn
Nov 24 19:27:32 * halfhalo noms
Nov 24 19:42:58 <SineOt> 2kBps, hell yes
Nov 24 19:47:58 <MetaView> rlopin_: still no luck?
Nov 24 19:59:33 <xbonesx> anyone else notice a bug in the browser app that delets ur bookmarks on you? just got this new pre and installed a few patches, which I had on my old pre, and now no bookmarks. they were the original ones, I had not added any of my own
Nov 24 20:00:39 <CTLAdvance> the first issue you have is installed patches
Nov 24 20:03:22 <xbonesx> I had all the same patches on my old pre, no problem at all. plus I get this notification at the bottom asking me too re-enter my password for google in my contacts app???
Nov 24 20:08:31 <CTLAdvance> it prompts you to sign in again?
Nov 24 20:08:37 <CTLAdvance> or only when you go to settings
Nov 24 20:09:46 <xbonesx> randomly
Nov 24 20:11:42 <pandora--> anyone know if the firesheep port is available for download anywhere?
Nov 24 20:11:50 <pandora--> (precentral article)
Nov 24 20:18:43 <xbonesx> CTLAdvance: any thoughts on the google re-enter password thing?
Nov 24 20:19:02 <SineOt> do a full restart
Nov 24 20:19:07 <SineOt> and see if it keeps happening
Nov 24 20:19:15 <CTLAdvance> no, but web os does wierd things when services fail
Nov 24 20:19:20 <CTLAdvance> maybe google is having issues
Nov 24 20:21:02 <xbonesx> SineOt: no my girls pre has been doing this for a while, never did it on my old pre, just on this new one. I think it might be because of the switched devices, she switched from an instinct to the pre and I switched from my old pre
Nov 24 20:21:54 <SineOt> I've seen it before on my Pixi... Just restart, see if it works, if it doesn't, remove the account restart and reenter it
Nov 24 20:22:09 <xbonesx> I even doctored her pre to see if it would fix the prob, but nothing...
Nov 24 20:22:22 <CTLAdvance> SineOT - yeah restart usually fixes it, once a service fails the errors dont clear fast
Nov 24 20:22:59 <SineOt> xbonesx: and I bet when you doctored it, you restored from the palm profile :p
Nov 24 20:23:30 <xbonesx> no I started her with a new one so that no settings were reapplied
Nov 24 20:24:17 <xbonesx> and I've tried taking the profile off and re-doing it, still same notification
Nov 24 20:33:01 <dohtem> Is there any way to read the reviews of my beta app online?  Right now the only way I am aware of is through Preware.
Nov 24 20:39:08 <swisstomcat> dohtem: cyrket.com or myappbox.com
Nov 24 20:41:04 <dohtem> swisstomcat: danke :)
Nov 24 20:41:34 <dohtem> v0.0.3 in the beta feed and people are getting this mad?
Nov 24 20:41:50 <SineOt> dohtem: the internet is made for porn... and raging about stuff that isn't porn
Nov 24 20:42:01 <dohtem> hehe
Nov 24 20:42:14 <swisstomcat> dohtem: also add a feedback form in your app ... that helps with bad reviews
Nov 24 20:42:21 <swisstomcat> especially in beta
Nov 24 20:42:37 <SineOt> dohtem: what's your app? :]
Nov 24 20:42:45 <dohtem> swisstomcat: how do I get to it?
Nov 24 20:42:57 <swisstomcat> to what?
Nov 24 20:44:44 <dohtem> the feedback form
Nov 24 20:46:54 <swisstomcat> oh, you have to create it yourself
Nov 24 20:47:05 <swisstomcat> basically it asks for name,email and message
Nov 24 20:47:15 <swisstomcat> and uses a script on the server to send me an email
Nov 24 20:48:12 <sugardave> okay, got an AT&T pre-paid SIM...and dude already put it in my phone.  So, what do I do:  doctor without the SIM in, then shut down and put it in, or doctor with the SIM in it?
Nov 24 20:48:39 <halfhalo> I don't think it matters...
Nov 24 20:48:49 <sugardave> hmmm
Nov 24 20:49:27 <dohtem> sugardave: what are you trying to do?
Nov 24 20:50:52 <haeffb> sugardave: what's the cost for the pre-paid SIM ?
Nov 24 20:51:01 <SineOt> yeah, I wanna know that too
Nov 24 20:51:05 <SineOt> might go get one later tonight
Nov 24 20:51:31 <sugardave> SIM is $19.99 and then you need to add some money to it
Nov 24 20:51:33 <sugardave> I added $25
Nov 24 20:51:37 <SineOt> oh, boo
Nov 24 20:51:40 <sugardave> dohtem: activate the pre2
Nov 24 20:51:41 <SineOt> I'll just hit up ebay
Nov 24 20:51:50 * halfhalo has sim, but no phone to use it with
Nov 24 20:51:59 <SineOt> or nab a gophone on BLACK FRIDAY DUN DUN DUN
Nov 24 20:52:03 <SineOt> for like 8$ or whatever
Nov 24 20:53:13 <sugardave> so doctor download is super tiny, right?  (it's been a while since I've done this)
Nov 24 20:54:08 <swisstomcat> doctor is huge
Nov 24 20:54:11 <swisstomcat> +200mb
Nov 24 20:54:30 <swisstomcat> 181mb actually
Nov 24 20:54:39 <sugardave> hmm
Nov 24 20:54:57 <haeffb_pre> bah. 20 second dl
Nov 24 20:55:02 <halfhalo> if that!
Nov 24 20:55:15 <sugardave> 818 bytes, that's not right
Nov 24 20:55:31 <haeffb_pre> nope
Nov 24 20:55:36 <halfhalo> yes it is
Nov 24 20:55:42 <halfhalo> its the stupid downloader link
Nov 24 20:55:59 <sugardave> .jnlp file
Nov 24 20:56:04 <halfhalo> yeah
Nov 24 20:56:10 <sugardave> so java -jar on that?
Nov 24 20:56:13 <halfhalo> no
Nov 24 20:56:17 <sugardave> oh but it's not a jar
Nov 24 20:56:19 <sugardave> how to run it?
Nov 24 20:56:25 <halfhalo> wait, try it
Nov 24 20:56:29 <halfhalo> its a java thing
Nov 24 20:56:41 <haeffb_pre> how much does data cost on that SIM?
Nov 24 20:57:41 <swisstomcat> sugardave: open the .jnlp file with a text-editor
Nov 24 20:57:50 <swisstomcat> you'll see the link inside
Nov 24 20:57:52 <sugardave> yeah, it's an xml
Nov 24 20:57:53 <swisstomcat> of the jar-file
Nov 24 20:57:55 <sugardave> ok
Nov 24 20:58:15 <sugardave> I see the jar href, but no domain for it
Nov 24 20:58:41 <sugardave> ah, the codebase url
Nov 24 20:58:45 <sugardave> okay, let's try that
Nov 24 20:59:15 <sugardave> there we go
Nov 24 20:59:18 <sugardave> much better
Nov 24 20:59:28 <sugardave> so, I assume that's supposed to be automated somehow
Nov 24 20:59:35 <halfhalo> yeah
Nov 24 20:59:49 <sugardave> oh, I bet it's because I don't have Java working in the browser
Nov 24 20:59:51 <sugardave> oh well :D
Nov 24 21:00:17 <InfiniteLoop> people in the us - happy holidays!
Nov 24 21:00:28 <sugardave> gobble gobble
Nov 24 21:01:30 <sugardave> haeffb_pre: not sure, I left the pamphlet at the store.  I think you only get 100MB on it
Nov 24 21:01:35 <sugardave> I don't know how this shit works
Nov 24 21:02:32 <halfhalo> yeah, its 100MB per month for some amount of money
Nov 24 21:02:48 <sugardave> $2/day ?
Nov 24 21:03:02 <halfhalo> I dunno
Nov 24 21:05:12 <haeffb> maybe I should dump sprint.
Nov 24 21:05:39 <sugardave> I'm not, doing this solely to make a new Palm profile and get the app catalog on it
Nov 24 21:05:48 <sugardave> then it will be my travel out of the country phone
Nov 24 21:07:33 <haeffb> this makes no sense... http://www.cvalley.net/products_and_services/wireless_plans/119
Nov 24 21:07:48 <haeffb> $30 for unlimited data and unlimited roaming data
Nov 24 21:08:25 <haeffb> or I could pay $40 for 25MB roaming or $60 for 200MB roaming
Nov 24 21:09:27 <dawm> i pay $40/m for unlimited everything and 500 minutes w/ sprint :P
Nov 24 21:09:28 <sugardave> hmmm, I'd go with that first one :D
Nov 24 21:10:41 <haeffb> dawm: sprint doesn't carry a palm pre
Nov 24 21:10:49 <dawm> ebay does
Nov 24 21:11:06 <haeffb> It would cost me $30 per month more to get the same plan as I have with Sprint
Nov 24 21:11:29 <haeffb> for two phones, 750 min, unlim text & data
Nov 24 21:11:56 <sugardave> 64%
Nov 24 21:13:48 <sugardave> woo done
Nov 24 21:17:51 <halfhalo> palmtini!
Nov 24 21:18:05 <Palmtini> halfhalo: !!!!
Nov 24 21:18:35 <dohtem> dawm: SERO?
Nov 24 21:18:42 <dawm> oh yes :)
Nov 24 21:19:26 <summatusmentis> dawm: me too :)
Nov 24 21:19:43 <dawm> i was actually in EPRP
Nov 24 21:19:49 <dawm> but as of October im back in SERO again
Nov 24 21:22:01 <dohtem> those old sprint plans are legendary.
Nov 24 21:22:17 <dohtem> i know someone who keeps a crappy phone just to hold on to the plan
Nov 24 21:22:29 <dawm> they opened SERO up to all phones as of October 1st
Nov 24 21:22:32 <dawm> even the Evo
Nov 24 21:22:37 <dohtem> really?
Nov 24 21:22:43 <dawm> but you have to be already in it
Nov 24 21:22:49 <Palmtini> and how does one get themselves onto sero?
Nov 24 21:22:52 <dawm> they arent allowing anyone new into it
Nov 24 21:23:06 <dohtem> yeah, it's eprp now
Nov 24 21:23:09 <dawm> they replaced it with EPRP which is just $10 off the normal plans
Nov 24 21:23:17 <dawm> but people that stuck around in SERO can now use any phone
Nov 24 21:23:31 <dawm> i was able to get switched back to SERO thru sprint chat support
Nov 24 21:23:56 <dawm> since i was in SERO prior to having the Palm Pre (which made me switch to EPRP)
Nov 24 21:24:31 <dohtem> i think people are selling their old sero plans on ebay.
Nov 24 21:24:47 <torchie> you can do that?
Nov 24 21:24:55 <dohtem> you "buy" the plan and you both call sprint and change the account owner
Nov 24 21:25:18 <dohtem> sounds a bit shady to me but folks do it
Nov 24 21:25:28 <sugardave> I'm so confused...how am I supposed to activate the minutes on this card if I don't have an activate phone?  It keeps trying to check my email, hangs, then says it can't determine my SIM info and my only option is to enter crap I have no clue about by hand
Nov 24 21:25:52 <SineOt> sugardave: pretty sure you can activate the sims online, have you tried that?
Nov 24 21:26:10 <sugardave> I tried "emergency call" and sending to the sms thing on the paper
Nov 24 21:26:21 <sugardave> I'll look for online option
Nov 24 21:26:45 <dawm> HAH
Nov 24 21:26:51 <dawm> my cable provider sucks
Nov 24 21:26:56 <SineOt> for anyone daring
Nov 24 21:27:00 <dawm> they have an error page when a domain doesnt exist
Nov 24 21:27:04 <dawm> and it thinks Chrome is Safari
Nov 24 21:27:10 <dawm> Safari can't find the server.
Nov 24 21:27:19 <SineOt> Radioshack will have ATT go phones for 9$ on Black Friday with minutes, or 15$ without
Nov 24 21:29:35 <torchie> what a steal
Nov 24 21:29:57 <SineOt> probably the cheapest way to get a goPhone SIM for activating a device though, unless you want to do ebay :p
Nov 24 21:30:24 <sugardave> SineOt: I could activate online if I had a PIN to login with
Nov 24 21:30:39 <hotdp> is navit good?
Nov 24 21:33:26 <dawm> where the heck is UPS with my tivo
Nov 24 21:34:36 <dohtem> where the heck is UPS with my sennheiser!
Nov 24 21:34:48 <halfhalo> i ate it
Nov 24 21:34:48 <sugardave> oh, I am screwed
Nov 24 21:34:50 <sugardave> fuck
Nov 24 21:35:08 <halfhalo> sugardave: you can do it on the web
Nov 24 21:35:15 <sugardave> I have no account
Nov 24 21:35:21 <halfhalo> make one
Nov 24 21:35:21 <dohtem> call AT&T
Nov 24 21:35:28 <hotdp> dohtem: what headphones?
Nov 24 21:35:37 <halfhalo> as long as the sim has minutes on it, you can do it on the web
Nov 24 21:35:37 <sugardave> there seems to be no make one option
Nov 24 21:35:38 <dohtem> 202
Nov 24 21:35:45 <hotdp> classic
Nov 24 21:35:48 <sugardave> looking for their stupid number
Nov 24 21:35:50 <dohtem> of course, its at the front door :(
Nov 24 21:35:51 <hotdp> they are bang for the bugs
Nov 24 21:35:52 <dawm> i had my pixi activated, but then it unactivated itself and the sim card i found is no longer activated so i gotta doctor it again
Nov 24 21:36:20 <dohtem> wait, what do you guys mean by activated?
Nov 24 21:37:19 <dohtem> I put my pre+ in developer mode, put in a t-mobile sim, ran the first use app and the created a palm profile over wifi.
Nov 24 21:37:40 <sugardave> halfhalo: see, it seems that it already wnats to manage my account details with my phone #, and send PINs and resets there as well....which won't work because my phone is currently in the middle of being doctored
Nov 24 21:38:46 <halfhalo> well.... ummm.... crap
Nov 24 21:39:46 <sugardave> not screwed I guess, just going to take hours longer than it should to get this working
Nov 24 21:40:53 * halfhalo has nachoes
Nov 24 21:41:42 <dohtem> with jalapenoes?
Nov 24 21:41:48 <halfhalo> nope
Nov 24 21:41:59 <dohtem> wuss
Nov 24 21:43:21 <halfhalo> meh, they dont come on the dell nachoes
Nov 24 21:48:23 <xbonesx> has anyone else had problems with the browser deleting their bookmarks?
Nov 24 21:48:59 <SineOt> nope
Nov 24 21:50:59 <knightbane> enyo face
Nov 24 21:53:19 <xbonesx> it won't even let me add bookmarks anymore, the only patches I have installed for the browser, or at least the ones I'd think would effect the browser are multi mod, scrollbar, share pic context menu, gesture click context menu and no auto refresh
Nov 24 21:56:48 <KGF2009> If you hit enter in a text-field with 'enterSubmits' on, how do you catch that event>
Nov 24 21:56:51 <KGF2009> ?
Nov 24 21:57:35 <oil> Mojo.propertyChanged?
Nov 24 21:58:09 <swisstomcat> goodn8
Nov 24 21:58:16 <KGF2009> But then how will I know it was submitted rather than just edited?
Nov 24 22:02:18 <mbarvian> does anyone have any ideas what I could do to account for the size of the notification area in an app like this?
Nov 24 22:02:18 <mbarvian> http://www.imgftw.net/upload/140106920.png
Nov 24 22:02:32 <mbarvian> i mean, http://imgf.tw/140106920.png
Nov 24 22:02:49 <mbarvian> right now it's pretty static
Nov 24 22:03:29 <mbarvian> but I'm open to any ideas :)
Nov 24 22:04:05 <sugardave> ah, it is magically working now
Nov 24 22:04:07 <sugardave> yay
Nov 24 22:04:12 <SineOt> hm, hey mbarvian... how would it look on a pixi?
Nov 24 22:04:24 <mbarvian> SineOt: the exact same: but cut off at the bottom :(
Nov 24 22:04:30 <SineOt> aw :(
Nov 24 22:04:39 <mbarvian> SineOt: I'm assuming you have a pixi? :)
Nov 24 22:04:54 <SineOt> good assumption :9
Nov 24 22:05:01 <sugardave> mbarvian: I use a fixed div scene wrapper with bottom/top/left/right set to 0px
Nov 24 22:05:04 <mbarvian> lol. I'm gonna try and make it work
Nov 24 22:05:13 <mbarvian> sugardave: but what a bout the buttons?
Nov 24 22:05:43 <sugardave> use percentages for sizing?
Nov 24 22:06:47 <sugardave> put them in a vertical scroller so when the screen resizes it can be scrolled
Nov 24 22:07:26 <MetaView> scroller is automatically, or?
Nov 24 22:08:09 <SineOt> hm, from my understanding of mojo and stuff right now... doing: "Send the following packet to discover which boxee applications are running in your local network. Discovery requests should be broadcasted to UDP port 2562." wouldn't be possible, right?
Nov 24 22:08:24 <MetaView> right
Nov 24 22:08:39 <MetaView> possible with PDK
Nov 24 22:08:47 <sugardave> MetaView: if you do the fixed div, it basically makes the scene scroller worthless
Nov 24 22:08:51 <MetaView> but not with Mojo, JS
Nov 24 22:08:57 <sugardave> you need to throw your own content scroller inside
Nov 24 22:09:18 <MetaView> can't you stack up several divs with fixed sizes
Nov 24 22:09:24 <MetaView> for the buttons
Nov 24 22:09:32 <SineOt> boo
Nov 24 22:09:58 <sugardave> the best way is for the buttons to resize based on their parent container :D
Nov 24 22:10:22 <MetaView> in a certain amount
Nov 24 22:11:06 <MetaView> I would check screen size then decide the button height and use the default scroller when a new notification appears
Nov 24 22:11:11 <sugardave> oh right, I'm only thinking of a single notification
Nov 24 22:11:30 <MetaView> you usually use a calculator just for a given time
Nov 24 22:12:23 <MetaView> when you start you might have some notifies open (the small ones) then it will resize to fit, when a new one appears you can scroll the calculator or just remove the new notification
Nov 24 22:12:36 <MetaView> I gues it is ok, the phone app is not much different
Nov 24 22:13:21 <SineOt> has anyone ever rethemed the list divider for their apps?
Nov 24 22:16:55 <sugardave> whoa, something just popped up and said my last ussd transaction cost $23.00 and now I have $0 balance
Nov 24 22:16:59 <sugardave> I just got this thing!
Nov 24 22:17:49 <SineOt> ussd?
Nov 24 22:19:09 <sugardave> yeah, or something like that
Nov 24 22:19:29 <sugardave> it's gone now...I fear that going to the app catalog and looking at stuff ate all my money :P
Nov 24 22:22:58 <MetaView> sugardave: MapTool Pro
Nov 24 22:23:58 <sugardave> oooh, cool
Nov 24 22:26:19 <sugardave> looking at the free one atm, has my location almost perfect
Nov 24 22:26:58 <KGF2009> http://pastie.org/1324161 Line 80: I get the log error that the login was successful, but the scene is not pushed, and no error appears either.
Nov 24 22:32:03 <SineOt> KGF2009: my advice? add more logging
Nov 24 22:34:41 <KGF2009> That's what I normally do, but where do I put it now? I've got a log right before the push.
Nov 24 22:37:28 <SineOt> good question!
Nov 24 22:37:41 <KGF2009> XD
Nov 24 22:37:44 <SineOt> maybe stick it in to see if the login values are getting stored properly + passed to the login proper
Nov 24 22:38:14 <SineOt> I think somewhere along the line it's not logging in properly and for some reason not throwing the error
Nov 24 22:38:36 * SineOt is basically just throwing dirt at the wall though, toss enough some of it is bound to stick
Nov 24 22:38:55 <KGF2009> Well, not throwing the error or not, it should push the scene, though..
Nov 24 22:39:10 <SineOt> unless it's catching on something prior... or your scene push is wrong, idk
Nov 24 22:39:18 <SineOt> grocery shopping time
Nov 24 22:41:51 <mbarvian> thanks for all the suggestions
Nov 24 22:41:54 <mbarvian> sorry i had to do some stuff
Nov 24 22:41:58 <mbarvian> does anyone here have a pixi?
Nov 24 22:42:05 <KGF2009> Anyone else think they could help..?
Nov 24 22:43:52 <mbarvian> KGF2009: the best suggestion I have is to use:
Nov 24 22:43:55 <mbarvian> Mojo.Controller.stageController.pushScene("main");
Nov 24 22:43:56 <mbarvian> lol
Nov 24 22:46:29 <mbarvian> KGF2009: let me know if that works.
Nov 24 22:47:24 <KGF2009> That did it.
Nov 24 22:47:37 <mbarvian> cool
Nov 24 22:50:19 <mbarvian> anyone here have a Pixi?
Nov 24 23:05:35 <dawm> woot
Nov 24 23:05:42 <dawm> got my tivo and the cheaper plan
Nov 24 23:05:45 <dawm> now to open the box
Nov 24 23:33:19 <Schalla> Hi all. ;)
Nov 25 00:35:52 <dawm|laptop> i found something that takes longer to boot and update than a pre
Nov 25 00:35:58 <dawm|laptop> a brand new tivo premiere...
Nov 25 00:36:02 <halfhalo> lol
Nov 25 00:36:32 <dawm|laptop> going on an hour now, and it says it make take up to an additional hour, possibly longer now that it rebooted
Nov 25 00:37:20 <kesne> hey all!
Nov 25 00:38:24 <dawm|laptop> i wish coke would take notice of the MCR app and post it on their site along side their yahoo! widget ;p
Nov 25 00:38:44 <dawm|laptop> i just updated it to support the new longer case codes
Nov 25 00:41:14 <rwhitby> dawm|laptop: wouldn't they be condoning a massive trademark infringement if they did?
Nov 25 00:41:30 <dawm|laptop> its their source :P
Nov 25 00:41:40 <rwhitby> it's their trademark too ...
Nov 25 00:42:08 <dawm|laptop> i guess thats why they dont mention the iphone app then either
Nov 25 00:42:41 <rwhitby> yep, if they put something like that on their site it would weaken their case when they send the C&D out
Nov 25 01:21:14 <KGF2009> All right, since apparently Palm doesn't like my methods at the moment...What's the proper way to invalidate an entire list 'messages'?
Nov 25 01:21:51 <KGF2009> 'messages' being the name of the list.
Nov 25 01:28:24 <sugardave> model.items = []; this.controller.modelChanged(model);  (where model is your model)
Nov 25 01:29:39 <sugardave> but I think there are also some methods for it, check the List widget page
Nov 25 01:29:47 <KGF2009> I was way off..
Nov 25 01:30:18 <KGF2009> this.msgmodel.items.push(object); this.controller.get("messages").invalidateitems(0);
Nov 25 01:30:24 <KGF2009> That's what I did.
Nov 25 01:31:06 <sugardave> setLengthAndInvalidate(0);
Nov 25 01:31:48 <sugardave> KGF2009: you are also missing mojo
Nov 25 01:31:53 <sugardave> element.mojo.method();
Nov 25 01:32:03 <KGF2009> Oh, no I forgot to type that; it was included in my code.
Nov 25 01:32:14 <KGF2009> I can't copy-paste right now.
Nov 25 01:32:43 <sugardave> if you want to completely blow away the whole list, the first thing I said will do that
Nov 25 01:34:06 <KGF2009> Yeah, I remember using that method for my timezones app, but I don't have that code handy.
Nov 25 01:59:16 <sugardave> it's starting to smell overwhelmingly delicious at my house
Nov 25 02:05:47 <nyceane> my girlfriend just got a used palm for $60
Nov 25 02:05:49 <nyceane> not too bad =)
Nov 25 02:05:52 <nyceane> codeslaw
Nov 25 02:06:27 <nyceane> are you here?
Nov 25 02:12:48 <mbarvian> does anyone here have any ideas as to how they would code a scientific-like calculator app? where you punch in an equation, and it spits out an answer :)
Nov 25 02:13:00 <mbarvian> i'm just interested to see how some of you would do it
Nov 25 02:13:13 <mbarvian> right now I'm using eval and it's kind of more trouble than it's worth
Nov 25 02:20:02 <dawm|laptop> didnt even have the tivo for 5hours and its dead.. wont have a new one until 2weeks... what a pile of crap
Nov 25 02:20:33 <mbarvian> also, can someone explain to me why I'm getting a trailing digit answer when i just do eval("242*1.4") but not eval("243*1.4")?!?! :(
Nov 25 02:24:46 <bpadalino> what is a trailing digit answer ?
Nov 25 02:29:21 <dawm> i dunno
Nov 25 02:29:40 <dawm> i get 338.79999999999995
Nov 25 02:29:59 <dawm> also
Nov 25 02:30:18 <bpadalino> ah, those floats
Nov 25 02:30:20 <dawm> dont try to do addressbar javascript in chrome on an empty tab.. it crashes chrome entirely
Nov 25 02:30:55 <mbarvian> yeah, the floats :(
Nov 25 02:30:58 <mbarvian> wth is with that
Nov 25 02:31:45 <mbarvian> is there any way to see the default calculator app's source? that would be EXTREMELY helpful. I can kind of see parts of it in the emulator
Nov 25 02:31:52 <sugardave> js math is fun
Nov 25 02:31:55 <mbarvian> *inspector
Nov 25 02:32:10 <sugardave> mbarvian: yes, all the apps' source code is available
Nov 25 02:32:17 <mbarvian> sugardave: where?!?!
Nov 25 02:32:30 <sugardave> on the phone and in the emu, where they get installed
Nov 25 02:32:40 <mbarvian> sugardave: how can I get it?
Nov 25 02:32:48 <sugardave> I think it's like /usr/palm/apps/more dirs/
Nov 25 02:33:20 <mbarvian> sugardave: do you have a zip or something similar?
Nov 25 02:33:35 <dawm> now to pack the tivo back up in its box and drop it off at ups..
Nov 25 02:35:45 <sugardave> mbarvian: you can novaterm into the emu and use vi to look at the source
Nov 25 02:35:52 <sugardave> or ssh in with putty or something
Nov 25 02:37:08 <sugardave> js math, if you need precision you have to do weird stuff...  Math.round((equation) * 100) /100 or something like that
Nov 25 02:38:24 <mbarvian> sugardave: i see
Nov 25 02:39:46 <mbarvian> sugardave: that seemed to work
Nov 25 02:39:49 <mbarvian> sugardave: lol
Nov 25 02:41:21 <sugardave> mbarvian: don't take mine as the last word on the subject, though...I suggest googling javascript's Math object
Nov 25 02:41:35 <mbarvian> sugardave: thanks for the advice
Nov 25 02:41:38 <mbarvian> !
Nov 25 02:41:38 <mbarvian> :
Nov 25 02:41:40 <mbarvian> :)
Nov 25 02:45:24 <oil> typeof(Nan) === "number"
Nov 25 02:50:01 <haeffb> mu vs lasalle starting now on CBSC
Nov 25 02:56:53 <mbodevlab> Hello everybody
Nov 25 02:58:23 <mbodevlab> Hi rick-home
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