**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Nov 27 02:59:58 2010 Nov 27 03:00:03 vote for Austin Tx for the next dev days.. Nov 27 03:00:04 Plus I've been told Palm threw a great party Nov 27 03:00:11 awesome party Nov 27 03:00:28 lucky strikes bowling lanes in NYC Nov 27 03:00:44 within eye-shot of the USS Intrepid Nov 27 03:00:58 was like Pink Pepper (Vegas) meets bowling alley... Nov 27 03:01:11 they rented the whole place.. Nov 27 03:01:15 wow Nov 27 03:01:35 nothing but wall to wall geeks with pre2's all over the place Nov 27 03:01:46 most were enjoying the free bar Nov 27 03:01:47 I watched most of the talks, the HP folks there were really supportive of homebrew Nov 27 03:02:06 oh for sure Nov 27 03:05:01 it's to their advantage Nov 27 03:05:32 yeah I never seem to see iphone or android users this excited about their platform Nov 27 03:06:18 well, webos/HPalm could learn alot from android and ios Nov 27 03:06:39 * rwhitby bbl Nov 27 03:06:47 but also, ios and android and w7m could learn alot from webos Nov 27 03:06:50 Absolutely, webos is my third smartphone platform, iPhone first, android second, then the pre. Nov 27 03:07:08 so you know better than i probably Nov 27 03:07:12 I've hacked on all three and I'm most interested in webos simply due to its flexibility Nov 27 03:07:40 ok Rod, let me know if tomorrow ends up with any snags despite a shiny start Nov 27 03:07:41 and being most like a general linux userland helps too Nov 27 03:09:21 sure. Nov 27 03:09:51 what i find interesting is that frameworks that work cross platform are html,css and JS Nov 27 03:10:01 like appcellerator, phonegap, etc.. Nov 27 03:10:48 smiles...lol Nov 27 03:11:51 so anyway destinal , when i get this coupon, which i dont have yet Nov 27 03:11:56 you guys are welcome to it Nov 27 03:13:15 Bmyers: cool, thanks. a lot of stuff related to the pre2 is waiting on devices, and we wanted to wait for coupons to make the best use of donation monies we could. Nov 27 03:13:29 if we can get started faster, all the better Nov 27 03:13:53 makes sense.. I'll get in touch with you/Rod when it happens Nov 27 03:41:46 dont believe ya wo/ pix Nov 27 05:35:58 how do I stop my button text from being capitalized? Nov 27 05:40:57 dohtem: shot in the dark, but in your style sheet, put text-transform: lowercase; !important for the button class Nov 27 05:42:19 didnt work :( Nov 27 05:44:36 thanks tho Nov 27 05:46:08 you sure? that should have worked Nov 27 05:46:50 Palm's CSS for it styles .palm-button,#palm-dialog-box .palm-button with "text-transform: capitalize;" so that, with !important, should have overridden it... Nov 27 05:48:20 text-transform: none;? Nov 27 05:51:19 got it. Nov 27 05:51:34 added the .palm-button selector after my button class Nov 27 05:51:45 yeah :/ Nov 27 05:51:59 .my-button .palm-button {... Nov 27 05:52:03 oh, and yeah... dohtem, with the lowercase it'll strip out all caps. Just FYI. Nov 27 05:52:24 yeah, i went with none Nov 27 05:52:33 so I get my text verbatim Nov 27 05:52:54 * SineOt is in dumb dumb mode tonight. 83 Nov 27 05:53:15 hey oil what was the link for redmine again? redmine.webos-internals.org? Nov 27 05:53:31 heh, dont worry about it. I gave up :) Nov 27 05:53:35 yeah Nov 27 05:54:12 dumb dumb mode is the perfect time to file issue reports! :U Nov 27 06:12:52 oil: http://redmine.webos-internals.org/issues/307 is this a good bug report? D: Nov 27 06:13:41 yeah Nov 27 06:15:48 Awesome :3 Nov 27 06:15:54 Hope it can help get the issue fixed! Nov 27 06:19:39 * dohtem needs a backlit keyboard :( Nov 27 06:20:03 I'd die if I could get the Apple Aluminum keyboard in a backlit form. :< Nov 27 06:20:26 get to soldering! Nov 27 06:20:45 how would I even D: Nov 27 06:21:05 leds, magic and unicorns Nov 27 06:21:10 :) Nov 27 06:21:32 I think EL panels might work better... Nov 27 06:22:05 and maybe access to a laser cnc thingy to cut out the keyfaces for the backlighting... Nov 27 06:24:27 * SineOt wonders if the whole snapElements in a scroller thingy ever got figured out Nov 27 06:26:15 SineOt: brute force, if you use enough light you don't need to cut :) Nov 27 06:26:25 course it may not be as pretty Nov 27 06:26:34 yeah, but glowing letters would be pretty cool ;> Nov 27 06:27:22 * destinal needs three major tools, 1) 3d printer 2) cnc router / mill 3) laser cutter Nov 27 06:27:53 instant fab whatever you want. Nov 27 06:28:08 ok so maybe a lathe would be handy too :) Nov 27 06:28:27 anyone running their own GIT remote? D: Nov 27 06:28:29 you might be able to make one with that setup Nov 27 06:29:05 so many errors in this app because I keep misspelling 'launch' Nov 27 06:29:34 Loudergood: I'm actually going to start the whole thing off by casting my own aluminum pieces. then eventually I can machine them. totally unrelated to webos but I think 3d printing the patterns for the moulds would be awesome Nov 27 06:30:58 * destinal is seriously into DIY but is mostly ideas at this point Nov 27 06:44:42 (Eclipse has really, really bad CSS auto completion...) Nov 27 06:48:31 heh, I switched to notepad++ months ago Nov 27 06:49:20 I used Komodo edit, since it had that cool webOS plugin, but that kind of... Died off. In hopes of 2.0, might as well use the one that Palm actually supports! Nov 27 06:49:22 If I dont have autocompletion, i might as well go without bloat Nov 27 06:55:50 SineOt: Didn't I give you a villo.js file?\ Nov 27 06:56:04 kesne: nupe Nov 27 06:56:14 SineOt: Did I say I was going to? Nov 27 06:56:37 kesne: yupe Nov 27 06:56:42 SineOt: monthNames Nov 27 06:56:43 er Nov 27 06:56:48 copy/paste fail Nov 27 06:56:52 https://github.com/kesne/villo Nov 27 06:57:33 I'm still trying to figure out the best way to sync code between my desktop and my laptop... Tough tough. Nov 27 06:58:15 hi all Nov 27 06:59:39 hey JenP Nov 27 06:59:48 Hey JenP Nov 27 06:59:48 hi SineOt Nov 27 06:59:55 hello kesne Nov 27 07:01:01 kesne: what's the license on villo and, more importantly... cupcake Nov 27 07:01:11 what is villo? Nov 27 07:06:07 dohtem: it's like a js service to link your apps to the "cloud" Nov 27 07:06:14 ah Nov 27 07:06:40 SineOt: Not sure yet Nov 27 07:06:57 silly problem here... I concat 2 strings and it works fine in everything but when I pass the new variable to a function, it blows up Nov 27 07:07:19 Villo will probably be MIT Nov 27 07:07:19 any ideas Nov 27 07:07:29 kesne: I'm interested in using cupcake, since it's pretty easy from the looks of it for storing prefs and crap like that... but curious about the license on it before I go and start using it Nov 27 07:07:46 SineOt: Oh, it's totally opensource Nov 27 07:07:59 Some guy on here made it Nov 27 07:08:08 I think it was haeffb, but I may be wrong Nov 27 07:08:08 http://webos101.com/SQLite_Cookie_Replacement Nov 27 07:08:40 Yeah, it was him Nov 27 07:08:44 oh, sweet Nov 27 07:08:54 well then you're awesome haeffb Nov 27 07:09:31 and you're awesome for including it and by proxy introducing me to it lol Nov 27 07:10:38 I totally need a second monitor this is getting insane Nov 27 07:11:31 Just get a nice large monitor Nov 27 07:12:16 I've got a 22" 1680x1050 set up at home which is nice... But in the mean time I've just added another 4 virtual desktops :p Nov 27 07:12:27 linux? Nov 27 07:12:32 OSX Nov 27 07:13:22 linux <3 Nov 27 07:15:25 I boot into Jolicloud Nov 27 07:16:19 I really like Jolicloud... Same with Meego. Keep meaning to try out Meego 1.1 on my Netbook, see if they fixed the Wifi issues. Nov 27 07:17:12 I used Jolicloud exclusively for a while, heh, but not having WEP/WPA support for my wifi card really sucked Nov 27 07:20:50 maybe you added support? Nov 27 07:20:52 *they Nov 27 07:22:35 I know Meego 1.1 added support, don't know about Jolicloud 1.1 Nov 27 07:27:46 You should check! Nov 27 07:27:54 Though 1.1 hasn't been released yet Nov 27 07:28:04 there's a "preview" of Jolicloud 1.1 Nov 27 07:28:18 And I'd say it's a safe bet that if there's no Wifi support in that then it won't be in proper 1.1 Nov 27 07:32:42 :( Nov 27 07:33:13 it's dumb, both of those distros are pretty modern, but don't support the card at all/very well... While Ubuntu has supported it for a few versions now Nov 27 07:47:21 Should I write my own Villo image uploading service, or use an exsisting one? Nov 27 07:52:14 Finally start villo.messages support Nov 27 07:52:20 And it's in the git! Yay! Nov 27 08:47:46 hi, I have a question... Nov 27 08:48:27 I have a palm pre, and it's nifty, but well, I'm kinda filling my 'pages' (at least that's how I think of them) with apps... Nov 27 08:48:54 is there a way to add pages or move some of these apps into folders? Nov 27 08:49:46 remial: mmhm. Preware! Nov 27 08:51:22 remial: download the Preware Homebrew Documentation app from the app catalog. Follow the instructions to install Preware and then install the Add/Remove Pages patch. Nov 27 08:51:46 ok cool Nov 27 08:52:14 I've been trying to do it on my own for about 3 months now, and it hit me earlier, why try to reinvent the wheel Nov 27 10:05:13 ok, so I now have preware, any suggestions on where I can find the app that gives me folders? Nov 27 10:06:50 there is no iphone-like-folders afaik Nov 27 10:06:58 you can enable add/remove pages though Nov 27 10:07:26 go to available packages > patches > app launcher > enable add/remove pages Nov 27 10:07:30 and install it Nov 27 10:09:33 though there is better patches Nov 27 10:09:53 like, whats it called, advanced launcher patch, or something like that Nov 27 10:09:56 by sconix Nov 27 10:10:02 that adds a lot more features to the launcher Nov 27 10:25:19 I should add the advanced patches to PHD Nov 27 10:34:34 what's up folks Nov 27 10:58:34 How to make a text field horizontal scrollable? Nov 27 13:53:41 y0 al Nov 27 13:53:43 all* Nov 27 13:54:31 if I want newline/linefeed in description of my app in the catalog, do I use \n or what? Nov 27 14:10:07 for the record: if you want line breaks in description of your app, you HAVE TO have an ampersand (&) somwhere in your text. Then your newlines will be rendered correctly Nov 27 14:10:13 oh yeah, easy as pie :) Nov 27 14:40:31 how can I make a multiline text file with white background color? Nov 27 14:40:48 I mean multiline text field Nov 27 14:42:20 pc-world: my guess would be setting the css property text-background: white; on your textfiled Nov 27 14:42:47 pc-world: and setting the textfield property "multiline", according to https://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1932&Itemid=310 Nov 27 14:45:12 property text-background doesn't work, and if I try with "background-color: white", it doesn't really work with horizontal scrolling: http://img5.imagebanana.com/img/o3n86uxl/Auswahl_002.png Nov 27 14:55:47 hmm Nov 27 14:55:50 looks weird Nov 27 14:56:27 b0bben_ Wow, that's a good thing to know about your description. I had no idea. Nov 27 14:56:46 rick-home: weirdest hack ever :) Nov 27 14:57:03 Document it somwhere so we don't lose it. Nov 27 14:57:20 rick-home: check http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=8393&start=0 Nov 27 14:57:29 about how ppl found out Nov 27 15:01:42 pc-world: let me whip up an test app and try that out... Nov 27 15:02:18 I have it now, I needed "float: left;" too... But I don't know why I need this Nov 27 15:02:34 pc-world: oki...good Nov 27 15:02:55 rick-home: yeah, i'll write it up on webos101.com Nov 27 15:03:19 that is the absolute weirdest hack EVER. Nov 27 15:03:52 and that one line of code that he found in the app cat code is just bizzare. because it SHOULD do it if there's a < in the text, but doesn't ? Nov 27 15:05:23 rick-home: wordpress probably strips away the HTML code from description field before saving to DB, that's why the first condition is never met Nov 27 15:06:33 no, you can say something like "Causes the background colors to change to blue if time < 7pm, read after" -- the < is not escaped into an html entity. So it SHOULD have worked. very odd. Nov 27 15:08:14 hi Nov 27 15:08:19 hi Nov 27 15:08:41 that's a bug in the javascript Nov 27 15:09:21 it's a VERY ODD bug. Nov 27 15:09:49 it's a pretty good story :] Nov 27 15:09:59 a good case study Nov 27 15:14:39 interesting thread on the forum where they found it. Nov 27 15:18:25 the fact that you can use an & in your REVIEWS and get breaks is also useful to know Nov 27 15:22:53 so, what's everyone up to, app wise...any great ideas floating around? :) Nov 27 15:24:53 we just released a webos version of our app Bensinjakt, and I'm getting tired of maintaining apps where the data comes from a 3rd party Nov 27 15:25:03 bensinjakt is a find-a-gas-station app Nov 27 15:26:18 what are ppl missing on webos? what kind of high-quality apps do ppl crave? Nov 27 15:26:29 though questions ;) Nov 27 15:41:02 morning all Nov 27 15:46:33 morning BigBiff_pre, or good evening since it's dark and 5pm here in sweden Nov 27 15:46:39 :) Nov 27 15:46:54 heh Nov 27 15:47:54 also, it's snowy and fracking freezing Nov 27 15:48:23 that's life in the northern hemisphere though...at least we have fast broadband and good looking chicks ;) Nov 27 15:48:28 b0bben what are people craving? Nov 27 15:48:42 it depends on the people. Games always go big if they're good games. Nov 27 15:49:24 But in terms of non-game apps, there is a descending scale of complexity, and you have to factor in the app-cat vs preware distribution issue. Nov 27 15:49:47 yeah Nov 27 15:50:23 i've been following the iphone store here in sweden closely...and it's just the weirdest thing ever Nov 27 15:50:31 no pattern to be found Nov 27 15:50:46 but having said that, let's try a list: Music identifier app. cameria barcode decoder/price comparison tool (ideal geographically aware) Nov 27 15:50:49 i've also learned that majority of ppl aren't like me :) Nov 27 15:51:02 b0bben I learned that a LONG time ago. Nov 27 15:51:07 shazam still not on webos ? Nov 27 15:51:11 nope. Nov 27 15:51:40 hmm, barcode stuff....i've actually done a couple of those on the iphone...now we're talking! Nov 27 15:51:58 is the pre's camera good enough Nov 27 15:52:04 that's the big question Nov 27 15:52:04 there you go. 1.4.5 gives you enough access to the camera to do it. 2.0 is better. Nov 27 15:52:11 oh yeah, it's good enough. Nov 27 15:52:52 now you've got me all fired up rick-home Nov 27 15:52:57 do you not have one? Nov 27 15:53:06 a pre? yeah, i have one... Nov 27 15:53:16 so, take a photo of a bar code..... Nov 27 15:53:28 any price comparison pages with an open API? Nov 27 15:53:48 the pre lens doesn't focus much under 30 cm Nov 27 15:53:51 never thought of it actually...does it do autofocus? Nov 27 15:54:05 nope. Fixed focus, and no macro setting. Nov 27 15:54:20 oh...still worth a shot tough Nov 27 15:55:29 just did one on a box on my desk. Resolution MORE than good enough. Nov 27 15:55:46 go get your phone and take some sample shots. Nov 27 15:56:20 as to price comparison pages with open API's I have no idea. It's YOUR program, it therefore is your research project. Nov 27 15:57:22 rick-home: haha, i thought we're gonna hold hands on this one ;) Nov 27 15:57:37 not a chance. I have FAR too many open projects as it is. Nov 27 15:58:28 where in Sweden are you? Nov 27 15:59:23 gothenburg Nov 27 16:00:34 wow, you're a ways north, and on the east coast? I suspect you get rather icky weather from now through oh, March.... Nov 27 16:00:50 would love to get zxing lib going on webos Nov 27 16:00:57 no, i'm in the south-west Nov 27 16:01:08 but it's worse then far north Nov 27 16:01:12 when it gets cold Nov 27 16:01:26 the winds are freezing cold 'cause of the sea Nov 27 16:01:35 and high-ass humidity Nov 27 16:01:43 gives me chills just typing it Nov 27 16:01:54 right. WEST coast. I knew what I ment, I said it backwards, you're on whatever they call tht leg-shaped bay thing between you and Denmark that opens out into the north sea. Nov 27 16:02:06 yeah, that's right Nov 27 16:02:41 according to accuweather it's -7C but it feels like -15C Nov 27 16:03:09 i've been to -25C in the northerns sweden, and it's not half as bad as -7C here.. Nov 27 16:03:13 I'm in Kansas. While, I freely admit that the nearest open body of water is 1500 miles away, never-the-less, we're on the giant flat plain that the glaciers ground down from the arctic circle to the gulf of mexico. Nov 27 16:03:34 Much like the sea, there's NOTHING to stop the winds. Nov 27 16:04:18 oh yeah, we have something like that couple of miles inland, and damn, they get all the badass weather all the time Nov 27 16:04:40 if it's snowing here, then they can't walk out of their houses over there... Nov 27 16:04:49 it's a bitch, this mother nature Nov 27 16:04:52 :P Nov 27 16:05:12 and unlike the sea, the prairie does nothing to moderate the artic air masses, so even tho we're so far inland it gets cold, and the wind is insane. Nov 27 16:05:23 sick Nov 27 16:05:58 Kansan's think that a 40 kph wind is a typical breeze and really no one is much concerned until the wind speed passes 90 kph. Nov 27 16:06:03 you're on the same platue as grand canyon and that part of colorado, aren't you? Nov 27 16:06:11 haha, insane! Nov 27 16:06:20 no, they're on the other side of the rocky mountains. Nov 27 16:06:30 aah, ok Nov 27 16:07:16 cause when i was there and climbed up on top of that platue winds were totally crazy... Nov 27 16:07:19 we're the exact center of the US. Find the rocky mountains to the west. Find the great lakes to the east. Start in Texas at the Gulf of mexico and go north. From the gulf to the arctic circle, in that central band of the US, the highest terrain relief, Nov 27 16:08:07 which are generally river bluffs, is no more than 100 feet, and THAT is very rare. Typical "hills" are 20 to 30 feet, this in a band 900 km wide and 7000 km tall. Nov 27 16:09:11 oh, did the terrain mode in google maps....i feel sorry for you guys, you win weather-whining anyday :) Nov 27 16:09:25 hehehe. Nov 27 16:10:34 I do. Here's what we used to explain to the exchange students who were trying to decide what to bring for clothing. Summer: There will be a period of days where the highs are >= 40C. Winter: There will be days where the high <= -40C Prepare for both. Nov 27 16:11:04 actually that's perfect Nov 27 16:11:09 cold winter, warm summers Nov 27 16:11:29 Works for me. I chose to live here. Nov 27 16:11:31 not some of this crappy can't-decide-if-i'ts-gonna-be-warm-winter or not Nov 27 16:11:46 Plus, it's one of the least expensive places to live in the US. Nov 27 16:12:08 (not that anywhere in the US is "cheap" -- but you know what I mean. Nov 27 16:12:28 so how's the population growth doing, ppl moving in or out= Nov 27 16:12:44 yeah, there isn't any "cheap" anywhere in the world anymore... Nov 27 16:13:03 3 bedroom city center middle class home built in 1950, current market value: $80K . -- population of Topeka has been essentially stable since the 1970's. Nov 27 16:13:31 hi Nov 27 16:13:39 5% growth according to wikipedia...sounds good :D Nov 27 16:13:40 Hi what's up? Nov 27 16:13:51 i'm at home Nov 27 16:14:03 hi there Nov 27 16:14:06 so are we. b0bben's in his home, I'm in mine. :-) Nov 27 16:14:47 and i'm about to get myself another cup of coffee Nov 27 16:15:05 my 7 yr old son made us coffee this morning Nov 27 16:15:13 but Nov 27 16:15:16 my one is 4 Nov 27 16:15:18 she wet the bed Nov 27 16:15:21 he made decaf Nov 27 16:15:24 mee to. How odd. 8000 km apart and still socializing over coffee. Nov 27 16:15:44 so had a splitting headaache by 10:30 am Nov 27 16:15:50 Mine is 32. She and her husband are in the guest room. Family for Thanksgiving. I'm a happy guy. Nov 27 16:16:37 32 and married she's throwing her life away Nov 27 16:16:38 b0bben: wow read the thread on the & turning on escaping. that's funny. Nov 27 16:17:43 Bmyers: send him to his room now....decaf...jesus Nov 27 16:17:45 :) Nov 27 16:17:47 wastrel :-) Uh, no. Far from it. Nov 27 16:18:20 rick-home: topeka looks a lot like gothenburg....check these out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Topekakansasnasa.jpg Nov 27 16:18:24 b0bben: I wonder how many not-quite-bugs result in "accidental features" like that Nov 27 16:18:29 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Gothenburg_satellite.jpg Nov 27 16:18:39 destinal: yeah Nov 27 16:18:49 had to admire his spirit but today was the day my son was taught the difference between the green can an the other ones.. Nov 27 16:18:57 and the strangest (and most wonderful) thing is, ppl find these quirks Nov 27 16:19:21 b0bben it looks like the city extends out into valleys -- up stream lines? Nov 27 16:20:05 rick-home: thing on the left is actually an island Nov 27 16:20:30 second biggest in sweden, but nobody thinks of it as an island Nov 27 16:21:12 everything is an island when you're on a boat Nov 27 16:21:18 Bmyers: haha Nov 27 16:21:43 that was a lesson taught to me by my 7yr old son.. Nov 27 16:21:48 wish i had a boat tough...so I didn't have to be stuck in traffic 1.5hrs every day Nov 27 16:21:53 haha Nov 27 16:21:55 smart kid Nov 27 16:22:01 he's right.. Nov 27 16:22:05 you hang on to him, he might be going places :) Nov 27 16:26:34 so, who was at the webos dev days in NYC? Nov 27 16:26:59 i was... Nov 27 16:27:03 it was awesome Nov 27 16:27:15 omg Nov 27 16:27:25 so how's your pre2? Nov 27 16:27:36 pretty sweat. Nov 27 16:27:48 i wish i could've been there... Nov 27 16:27:50 its what the pre 1 should have been Nov 27 16:27:58 yeah Nov 27 16:28:28 i just got it activate last night so now i have app cat access Nov 27 16:28:47 but smoother and more polished than previous gens Nov 27 16:28:57 how'd you feel about the size of the conference? did you get the chance to talk to palm ppl or was it too big to be able to chat with ppl Nov 27 16:29:14 just the right size Nov 27 16:29:24 had good access to palm folks Nov 27 16:29:37 awesome Nov 27 16:29:50 and to the guest speakers Nov 27 16:29:53 the access to both HP and Palm people was amazing. Nov 27 16:29:55 did anybody mention when the next one will be held? or if it's going to be another one? Nov 27 16:30:23 Rod Whitby and I spent a half-hour with Phil McKinney who is the VP of HP for the entire consumer products division. Nov 27 16:30:28 then i guess it was just the right size Nov 27 16:30:37 was that guy cool to talk to or what Nov 27 16:30:42 i had lunch with him Nov 27 16:30:44 rick-home: that's awesome! Nov 27 16:30:49 omg Nov 27 16:31:01 now you're just making me depressed for not being there... Nov 27 16:31:05 no, what's awesome is what he said to Rod and I. Nov 27 16:31:22 rick-home: anything you can talk about in public? Nov 27 16:31:26 "You guys are doing great work, and we watch, and we're really happy about it, keep it up." Nov 27 16:32:12 basically, webos-internals is valued and trusted, and if we really need somehting we can contact him and if it's legally and humanly possible, he'll see to it. Nov 27 16:32:21 that is so cool...they sure are pulling the right strings to get an community which sells for them Nov 27 16:32:56 i'm so glad big companies are starting to realize the value of community Nov 27 16:33:39 No, no, "big companies" are not. But HP has ALWAYS had a commitment to community and open source. Nothing new there. We just happened to luck out that Palm was bought by HP and not Lenovo. Nov 27 16:33:40 and cooperationg with the members of the community...that's just awesome Nov 27 16:33:47 hen it comes down to it. its developers that make a great product like a smart phone or tablet Nov 27 16:33:55 ppl dont buy specs Nov 27 16:34:00 exactly Nov 27 16:34:03 they buy cool software Nov 27 16:34:26 I really left the conference convinced that HP will be releasing an ecology of webOS devices in a variety of form factors that will interoperate. It's very exciting. Nov 27 16:34:50 look at sony...they're gonna use obj-c in their SNAP thing...just because apple managed to get gazillions of devs coding in obj-c Nov 27 16:34:57 i sure hope so Nov 27 16:35:14 news lately haven't been so good on the business side of things Nov 27 16:35:19 loosing carriers and whatnot Nov 27 16:35:41 yeah i honestly didnt understand what would be so great about a webos printer until Phil explained it Nov 27 16:35:45 yeah, but Sony is a classic case of a company that wants to keep developers inside a teeny tiny sandbox. Nov 27 16:36:21 Bmyers: i need to see him about that too then, since i can't figure out why i would need a touchscreen on my printer Nov 27 16:36:22 hmm. Sony has had palm powered devices in the past Nov 27 16:36:23 :) Nov 27 16:36:30 think how many hotels would put a webos printer in the lobby for boarding passes and google maps directions &c. Nov 27 16:36:51 b0bben: have you seen the youtube with Phil? Nov 27 16:37:07 you really ought to watch his presentatioon b0bben Nov 27 16:37:23 +1 Nov 27 16:37:43 i did skim thru it, i'll check it out again Nov 27 16:38:00 totally worth it Nov 27 17:07:05 b0bben: I think carriers will pick up after the tablets come out and the new post-hp phones are made available Nov 27 17:07:21 destinal: i sure hope so Nov 27 17:07:38 while HP has so many other uses for webos that it'll survive even without the smartphone market, I do hope the smartphone market does pick up Nov 27 17:13:05 rick-home: found my source of info for the barcode scanning app...google base ;) Nov 27 17:13:22 that's what shopsavvy uses Nov 27 17:13:51 they have an API which can return json... Nov 27 17:14:01 of to start on this app now Nov 27 17:14:21 thx for the tip, exactly the kind of kick-in-the-ass i needed Nov 27 17:16:24 hi Nov 27 17:16:40 good morning Nov 27 17:18:13 hi everyone Nov 27 17:18:53 Iḿ trying to make an app which uses the GPS and should give a warning when you're near a point of interest Nov 27 17:19:09 and I want to use the GPS responses in multiple cards Nov 27 17:19:25 should I setup the GPS service and callback inside the app-assistant.js? Nov 27 17:19:58 and can a callback determine which card is active? Nov 27 17:20:33 or should each card call the service? Nov 27 17:21:32 for example, one card shows google maps, another one your current speed and distance to the POI Nov 27 17:25:49 olaf: I would probably use separate streams for each card Nov 27 17:26:04 but do you think multiple cards is usable? Maybe with 2.0 Nov 27 17:26:19 Have to check it when I get 2.0 in my hands Nov 27 17:27:02 is one to be driving down the road, switching between multiple cards for information ? Nov 27 17:27:38 the app will load traffic speedtraps and shows them on a map, the main card shows the distance to the nearest POI Nov 27 17:28:02 so the user will have the main card open while driving Nov 27 17:28:56 and when the main card is minimized a pop up notification is given Nov 27 17:29:49 olaf: how about if they want map stuff , they turn the pre portrait, when they want poi info they turn it landscape Nov 27 17:30:03 trapster client? Nov 27 17:30:21 I just thought it would be more efficient to have one location service which updates whatever card is open, or a dashboard Nov 27 17:30:27 Bmyers: driving? Nov 27 17:30:29 something like trapster Nov 27 17:30:45 how would you turn the device while driving? Nov 27 17:31:02 I guess it is then fixed in a holster Nov 27 17:31:13 yeah fixed Nov 27 17:31:17 no need to turn Nov 27 17:31:24 what you could do is swipe left/right I guess Nov 27 17:31:35 right Nov 27 17:31:44 in MapTool Pro you can swipe to switch between Map and Dashboard view Nov 27 17:32:01 but not swipe on the whole screen, this would be even better Nov 27 17:34:25 but regardless of how I will make the gui, how do other apps use gps? do they use the location service in each card or centrally in app-assistant? Nov 27 17:35:18 I use one in the main class Nov 27 17:35:33 but that#s actuall the card which is always open Nov 27 17:35:39 even if other card on top of it Nov 27 17:37:41 and do you detect when your card is not open? do you still update the ui controls or only when the card is active? Nov 27 17:38:05 I update also when the card is not active Nov 27 17:39:42 and do you use starttracking or getcurrentposition? Nov 27 17:39:52 both :) Nov 27 17:40:16 why both? Nov 27 17:40:16 starttracking to fire up the GPS and getpos to retrieve the actual position Nov 27 17:40:32 doesn't the onsuccess also give the position? Nov 27 17:40:39 starttracking dies after 15 minutes (at least it was in the former time) Nov 27 17:41:05 getpos alone took too long, try MapTool Nov 27 17:41:14