**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Nov 28 02:59:57 2010 Nov 28 03:09:10 JenP! Nov 28 03:09:17 haeffb!!!! Nov 28 03:09:27 christmas shopping done? Nov 28 03:09:30 * halfhalo is reading up on couchdb Nov 28 03:09:50 lol nope. I had to promise not to do any xmas stuff till dec 1 Nov 28 03:10:11 But I'll show them...gonna take that day off and go nuts Nov 28 03:10:24 ha! Nov 28 03:10:27 what's couchdb? Nov 28 03:10:44 its a db thingie Nov 28 03:10:57 lol...kinda figured that one Nov 28 03:11:10 it's soft, like a nice couch. Nov 28 03:11:28 does it come with throw pillows? Nov 28 03:11:31 or something Nov 28 03:11:48 pffft. it's a guy couch. Nov 28 03:11:52 * halfhalo misses mongo Nov 28 03:11:57 lol Nov 28 03:28:59 * kesne misses his white jeans Nov 28 05:10:39 hello Nov 28 05:10:54 is there any application to delete sim contacts from palm pre plus? Nov 28 07:01:11 Anybody round these parts? Nov 28 07:06:13 no Nov 28 07:13:07 * oil hides Nov 28 07:14:22 boom Nov 28 08:26:40 Who has any sql experience Nov 28 08:38:13 https://github.com/kesne/villo Nov 28 08:52:13 morning everyone....on the eu continent Nov 28 08:52:19 good evening to the rest Nov 28 08:53:55 hi. Nov 28 09:39:33 morning Nov 28 09:39:40 moin Nov 28 10:26:19 any news on dev phones for EU? Nov 28 10:26:28 no Nov 28 10:26:33 200$ for a unlocked pre 2 is sweet Nov 28 10:26:49 you could do it like jaycanuck Nov 28 10:26:57 what did he do? Nov 28 10:26:58 he used a delivery address in US Nov 28 10:27:05 he's from Canada Nov 28 10:27:06 aaa Nov 28 10:27:12 smart Nov 28 10:27:28 btw, from where are you? Sweden? Nov 28 10:27:47 that's it? just an address in the usa and a dev account? oh yeah, dev phone here i come Nov 28 10:27:49 yeah, sweden Nov 28 10:28:20 that's what he told me Nov 28 10:28:28 haven't tried it on my own Nov 28 10:28:31 yet Nov 28 10:28:35 i've got a brother living in las vegas, so me thinks he'll be getting an unexpected delivery from HP ;) Nov 28 10:31:23 tell us then how it worked Nov 28 10:36:35 rwhitby: still awake? Nov 28 10:36:41 b0bben: note that a US dev phone won't work 3G in EU Nov 28 10:36:47 MetaView: yes Nov 28 10:37:05 why doesn#t it work in 3G? Is it a different frequency? Nov 28 10:50:44 rwhitby: wasn't pre2 dual utms? Nov 28 10:57:59 damn it, re-doctored my phone for nothing yesterday Nov 28 10:58:18 wasn't getting any audio when in call, prox sensor wasn't working etc. Nov 28 10:58:52 the problem? phone believed headset was in, when it wasn't Nov 28 10:59:18 some blowing into the jack and in/out movement with the jack fixed it Nov 28 10:59:29 :/ Nov 28 11:00:58 I think the issue is that in Europe the umts receiving frequency band is 2100, while in usa it's 1900 Nov 28 11:01:20 aaah, son of a b**ch Nov 28 11:01:30 pre2 only has 850/1900 Nov 28 11:02:29 is that t-mobile frequencies in the US? if i recall correctly at&t and tmobile use different freq? Nov 28 11:03:22 hmm, according to wikipedia, at&t is on 850/1900 and tmobile is on 1700 Nov 28 11:03:54 and i'm on 2100 Nov 28 11:03:58 frack :/ Nov 28 11:04:55 rwhitby: you're australian right? lucky bastard ;) Nov 28 11:05:08 so you need the UK version from Palm Nov 28 11:05:18 olaf: uk is all 2100 as well Nov 28 11:05:31 oh, there are 2 different phone models Nov 28 11:05:33 now i get it Nov 28 11:05:44 * b0bben_ little slow this morning Nov 28 11:06:24 :) Nov 28 11:06:44 but no dev discount on UK version Nov 28 11:06:56 but it's qwery...i'm actually starting to like my german qwertz :D Nov 28 11:07:19 olaf: yeah, i think i read somewhere on dev portal that they're working on it...the lawyers are actually Nov 28 11:07:46 i hope they aren't paying them by the hour, or we'll never get any dev phones in EU Nov 28 11:09:58 I read somewhere that they are also going to release qwertz pre2 phones somewhere in 2011 Nov 28 11:10:23 can't remember exactly Nov 28 11:11:07 seems like Q1 2011 will be very exciting times in the webos world Nov 28 11:12:24 i sure hope so, cause my expection levels are off the charts Nov 28 11:12:52 do NOT buy any cables from Deltaco Nov 28 11:13:12 1/100 times my comp recognizes the pre....frackin' piece of crap Nov 28 11:30:20 maybe your usb cable is broken Nov 28 11:30:50 mine was broken too a week ago, couldn't connect it with the pc although charging worked Nov 28 11:32:10 jkovacs: bought it just a couple of days ago...it charges like it should Nov 28 11:32:24 i believe they saved in on the data lines in the cable Nov 28 11:32:32 :) Nov 28 11:32:59 I bought myself a blackberry cable, works quite well with the Pre :-) Nov 28 11:33:31 gonna by another touchstone and original cable, so i have one at home and work Nov 28 11:33:49 can somebody explain to me why i'm getting all this extra space in my menu: http://imgur.com/UnKTl.png Nov 28 11:34:01 tried 10 different things, still can't get it to show properly Nov 28 11:35:01 this is my code in app-assistant: Nov 28 11:35:03 Bensinjakt.MenuAttr = {omitDefaultItems: true}; Nov 28 11:35:04 Bensinjakt.MenuModel = { Nov 28 11:35:04 visible: true, Nov 28 11:35:04 items: [ Nov 28 11:35:04 {label: $L("About Bensinjakt..."), command: "do-aboutBensinjakt"}, Nov 28 11:35:05 {label: $L("Help..."), command: "do-bensinjaktHelp"} Nov 28 11:35:05 ] Nov 28 11:35:05 }; Nov 28 11:35:49 https://gist.github.com/718843 Nov 28 11:35:55 better formatting Nov 28 11:40:11 are you setting up your menu in your setup() method? Nov 28 11:40:36 yeah, like this: this.controller.setupWidget(Mojo.Menu.appMenu, Bensinjakt.MenuAttr, Bensinjakt.MenuModel); Nov 28 11:40:49 odd Nov 28 11:40:56 yeah, totally Nov 28 11:42:22 hmm Nov 28 11:42:28 it's always the first item Nov 28 11:42:39 tried 3 different items now, and moved them around Nov 28 11:44:14 just for the record, using inspector on a multi-stage app sucks donkey balls Nov 28 11:47:07 omg i've found it Nov 28 11:47:14 ! Nov 28 11:47:53 i'm overriding palm-row first in my main scene to get a desired effect where first item in list should be larger then the others Nov 28 11:48:13 ang guess what, menu is just another instance of palm-list Nov 28 11:48:16 and* Nov 28 11:48:44 jkovacs: thx for rubber ducking ;) Nov 28 11:50:03 bensinejakt does that translate to hunt for gas? Nov 28 11:50:08 yeah Nov 28 11:50:26 you german? Nov 28 11:50:30 dutch Nov 28 11:50:35 kewl Nov 28 11:50:46 jakt is close to jacht Nov 28 11:50:48 it's actually pretty witty in swedish :) Nov 28 11:51:03 yeah, the german translation would be benzinjagt Nov 28 11:51:09 so, jagt, jacht, jakt Nov 28 11:51:23 good thing we're all part of the same lang. branch ;) Nov 28 11:51:30 :) Nov 28 11:51:39 jagd actually :) Nov 28 11:51:55 jkovacs: aahh, oki Nov 28 11:52:06 nice @ palm-row css Nov 28 11:52:35 jkovacs: what is the word used in daily conversations for gas in german? benzin or kraftstoffe? Nov 28 11:52:42 benzin Nov 28 11:53:08 oki, good call on my side calling it benzinjagd in my german translation Nov 28 11:53:23 kraftstoff is more... "technical" I guess Nov 28 11:53:23 does that make any sense at all to a german? benzinjagd? Nov 28 11:53:49 in Dutch it would be benzinejacht Nov 28 11:53:54 I think it does Nov 28 11:54:03 yeah, thought so...kraft is power and stoff is powder in swedish, so i kinda guessed it would be that way Nov 28 11:54:37 jkovacs: do you know of any webpages that have a list of gas stations in NL? in that case, benzinejacht could be of use to NL ppl as well ;) Nov 28 11:55:31 Uh no sorry I don't. Nov 28 11:55:47 I don't drive really much Nov 28 11:56:12 what are the biggest fuel companies in NL then...maybe they have some POIs on their webpages Nov 28 11:56:16 hehe Nov 28 11:56:26 alright, won't bother you more about it then ;) Nov 28 11:56:34 I'm from Germany I wouldn't know :-) Nov 28 12:03:42 http://www.poiplaza.com/index.php?p=se scroll to filling station Nov 28 12:05:14 shell, texaco, total, bp Nov 28 12:07:16 oh sorry jkovacs, that was meant for olaf :D Nov 28 12:07:36 we already have about 10k stations in germany Nov 28 12:07:50 thx olaf , we'll check those out Nov 28 12:08:02 now i'm off to a birthday party with 50 kids Nov 28 12:08:07 so help me Gods of Kobol Nov 28 12:08:09 see ya Nov 28 12:08:11 :) Nov 28 12:12:03 hehe Nov 28 12:12:36 b0bben_: and when you return the most up to date list of dutch gasstations is http://www.tankgids.nl/Download.aspx Nov 28 12:13:05 b0bben_: but they only provide ov2 poi files per type of fuel, not per brand Nov 28 13:39:59 can anybody tell me which directory the webOS SDK is installed in on Linux? Especially the share directory, which contains the samples etc. Nov 28 13:42:14 jkovacs: /opt/palmSDK Nov 28 13:42:25 or it might be /opt/PalmSDK Nov 28 13:42:29 thanks. Nov 28 13:42:41 is PalmSDK on the Mac Nov 28 13:42:46 it's* Nov 28 13:43:00 I'll just assume the same for linux then :) Nov 28 14:08:20 Excuse me? Nov 28 14:08:33 Somebody could give me a short explanation? Nov 28 14:09:49 How can I setup a Emulator on Ubuntu? Nov 28 14:26:29 install the sdk Nov 28 14:26:39 and run palm-emulator Nov 28 14:27:59 I just found the SDK for MAC and Windows, seems that I am blind? Nov 28 14:29:02 Or that I found are just for 9.10 and not for ubuntu 10.10 Nov 28 14:29:32 it works fine on 10.10 Nov 28 14:31:27 So I am with this tut: Nov 28 14:31:28 http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1585 Nov 28 14:31:31 on the right way? Nov 28 15:56:01 bleh Nov 28 15:58:30 the US are waking up, I see Nov 28 16:00:19 i was up too late Nov 28 17:10:52 Erm... Excuse me, where I can find the data of themes? Nov 28 17:33:26 What themes? Nov 28 17:35:24 Oh! :) Somebody answered Nov 28 17:35:29 @NuttyBunny: General webOS Themes. Nov 28 17:41:34 hehehe... well, I answered, but I don't know exactly the location.... What you can do is extract the webos doctor file, inside you'll find several files, one of them is "resources/webOS.tar", inside that you'll find a rootfsblabla.tar.gz, open that, uncompress it, and you can browse the filesystem of a Pre, there you can look for all the webOS graphics. Nov 28 17:41:51 Then you'll go and use webOS quick install to make your changes on the emulator and see if they work Nov 28 17:42:49 I really don't do themes, and don't exactly know how they do them, but I think they change graphics and .js files, you could get some theme files (.ipk), and try to open them and see what they contain :) Nov 28 17:42:58 That's the beauty of webOS, the opennes Nov 28 17:43:07 Of course, Thanks mate. Nov 28 17:43:20 You can unpack ipk on linux with the filemanager? ;) Nov 28 17:45:08 The extraction of a theme worked great. Nov 28 17:48:38 That was pretty easy, to be serious. Nov 28 18:11:14 Cool :D Now check all the files, and search the forums, because I don't know how to pack them ;) Nov 28 18:24:32 morning Nov 28 18:24:53 morning Nov 28 18:25:21 So, guess where i left my T400's DVD Drive... Nov 28 18:25:24 evening ;) Nov 28 18:25:30 is it possible to do an Ajax request directly to an image (.jpg) and somehow parse the responseText into a data uri-friendly string? Nov 28 18:25:39 I"m not having much luck Nov 28 18:25:54 sugardave: No? Nov 28 18:26:00 @NuttyBunny: Well Nov 28 18:26:01 heh, so far Nov 28 18:26:03 it's more easier. Nov 28 18:26:19 Just move them over the terminal ;) Nov 28 18:26:40 Sorry sugardave, but might you tell me where I can find the color settings for the fonts and so on? Nov 28 18:26:57 Schalla: no clue :D Nov 28 18:27:01 damn it :D Nov 28 18:27:08 Customizing the pre is so much fun. Nov 28 18:27:08 :D Nov 28 18:27:12 heh Nov 28 18:27:13 it's like my laptop Nov 28 18:27:13 :D Nov 28 18:27:22 have you looked at what the themers do? Nov 28 18:27:28 * sugardave hasn't ever installed a theme. Nov 28 18:28:07 I had downloaded a theme and checked the folder structure and was able to change certain images Nov 28 18:31:06 The colors should be somewhere in a css file, it's a matter of searching :S Nov 28 18:31:09 I always try it first on a emu before i try it oin my real phone Nov 28 18:31:09 :D Nov 28 18:31:13 Sure in a css? Nov 28 18:31:17 This isn't a webpage or? Nov 28 18:31:17 :D Nov 28 18:31:44 but well, would be cool, because CSS is easy to handle. Nov 28 18:31:50 webOS can be considered of a big webkit browser, and everything runs into it :D Nov 28 18:32:17 well i tried today to get deaper into the system of webos Nov 28 18:33:10 Schalla: are you talking about system fonts/colors or application fonts/colors? Nov 28 18:33:22 Systemfonts ofc. Nov 28 18:33:33 ah, not sure if the system uses base CSS or not Nov 28 18:33:40 but it's possible Nov 28 18:33:50 Sure, it must be possible, else they could not be changed ;) Nov 28 18:33:55 heh Nov 28 18:33:57 true Nov 28 18:34:01 Like already said, I was able to change certain images. Nov 28 18:35:14 Schalla 1:0 webOS Nov 28 18:35:18 Found the file ;> Nov 28 18:35:46 --- a/usr/lib/luna/system/luna-systemui/stylesheets/systemui.css 2009-08-31 23:37:10.000000000 -0400 Nov 28 18:35:48 So what?! Nov 28 18:35:48 :D Nov 28 18:36:00 tada Nov 28 18:36:29 there you go! Nov 28 18:37:06 well, isn't that easy to find. used a theme and found there a patch data Nov 28 18:37:14 and thought:"THATS IT!" Nov 28 18:37:16 :D Nov 28 18:39:11 but now the emulator doesn't like me anymore. Nov 28 18:39:15 "can't cd into system" Nov 28 18:39:16 ^^ Nov 28 18:41:57 Sorry, sugardave? Nov 28 18:42:29 * halfhalo found his dvd drive hidden in a dvd holder Nov 28 18:45:14 Doh Nov 28 18:45:18 why the fuck I didn't use internalz Nov 28 18:45:58 (@wikileaks) "Guardian's Cablegate coverage is out http://www.guardian.co.uk/" Nov 28 18:46:28 * halfhalo hates apple right noe Nov 28 18:46:37 how about now? Nov 28 18:46:41 now? Nov 28 18:46:43 yes Nov 28 18:47:00 Stupid Magic mouse lost connection with the mini, and it NEVER gets it back without a reboot Nov 28 18:47:09 that's the magic part Nov 28 18:47:15 *waves with the Ubuntu DVD* Nov 28 18:47:15 :) Nov 28 18:48:13 * halfhalo waves his textmate Nov 28 18:48:39 And I can't reboot since the windows pc is burning a win 7 iso off the mini's network drive Nov 28 18:48:57 yeah, I have never used OSX and was pretty impressed with watching those Palm guys using textmate Nov 28 18:49:17 its pretty amazing Nov 28 18:49:33 I can't code on windows/linux because of it now Nov 28 18:49:45 just the whole mate [dir] thing was enough to make we covet it Nov 28 18:50:15 Oh i fuckin' love internalz Nov 28 18:50:15 :D Nov 28 18:50:21 I can now edit the css files directly over it. Nov 28 18:50:49 halfhalo: there's no equivalent (or similar enough) on win/linux? Nov 28 18:50:56 there is... sorta Nov 28 18:51:01 e editor Nov 28 18:51:04 e Nov 28 18:51:08 that was from OS/2 Nov 28 18:51:11 :D Nov 28 18:51:59 I'm currently trying to build it from source because I really don't want to pay the 50 for a copy Nov 28 18:52:08 e or textmate? Nov 28 18:52:12 e Nov 28 18:52:17 Bought textmate Nov 28 18:52:36 Didn't need to since I have it trhough work, but I use it so much I did anyways Nov 28 18:53:09 Sugardave, got expierence by programming for webos? Nov 28 18:53:18 e stuck their source on github with semi convoluted build instructions Nov 28 18:53:32 halfhalo: link? Nov 28 18:53:47 Schalla: I have some Mojo experienece :D Nov 28 18:53:56 https://github.com/etexteditor/e/ Nov 28 18:54:08 grassy ass Nov 28 18:55:41 de llama Nov 28 18:56:11 Might you explain me what the fuck mojo is @ sugardave? Nov 28 18:56:54 shades: its when you got it all...according to austin powers atleast Nov 28 18:56:55 ;) Nov 28 18:57:03 :)) Nov 28 19:00:16 Schalla: Mojo is a framework for writing javascript apps and provides Prototyp.js as well Nov 28 19:01:10 * halfhalo gets hungry and eats his a's Nov 28 19:02:06 Urgh, javascript... Nov 28 19:02:11 I got ABIT expierence with C Nov 28 19:02:19 so I wanted to try that first Nov 28 19:03:28 Schalla: ah, then you want the PDK Nov 28 19:03:44 and you're going to want a Windows or Mac box, I think Nov 28 19:03:50 Argh >_> Nov 28 19:03:52 unless you can get the widk working Nov 28 19:04:05 it's supposed to be the same for people that are good at that sort of thing Nov 28 19:04:08 Get widk working? I'm not such nooby with linux, so... :D Nov 28 19:04:59 yeah, there's the webos internals developer kit (widk) and it's a cross-compiling toolchain or something like that Nov 28 19:05:07 I will give it a try. Nov 28 19:05:09 I know absolutely zero about that stuff Nov 28 19:05:25 I'm complety flashed about the noob-friendlyness from webos Nov 28 19:05:34 css for systemfonts, that's sick^^ Nov 28 19:05:41 it's a web OS :D Nov 28 19:07:41 it's still linux, there are also other possibilitys Nov 28 19:07:41 ;) Nov 28 19:09:15 anybody experiencing problems with embedded google maps? Nov 28 19:09:28 my markers are showin' up since yesterday Nov 28 19:13:32 hmm, they actually do...after 5mins Nov 28 19:13:34 wtf? Nov 28 19:14:03 hm Nov 28 19:14:04 o_O Nov 28 19:14:45 can also make them appear by zooming in and out once Nov 28 19:14:58 it's like i'm breaking the chain of events internally in the map Nov 28 19:15:12 hm, don't have a clue, sorry m8 Nov 28 19:15:24 I'm just destroyin' currently my phone :) Nov 28 19:15:46 btw guys Nov 28 19:15:55 there is a possibility to mount to root of the phone via USB? Nov 28 19:15:59 also, my sweet pulsating "Your location" marker isn't pulsating anymore... http://webos101.com/IntegrateGoogleMapsWithCurrentLocation Nov 28 19:18:48 Schalla: possibly, are you also in #webos-internals? Nov 28 19:19:13 Currently, not. But np I can join fast ;) Nov 28 19:19:14 they would be best to talk about the deep linux stuff in webOS Nov 28 19:19:43 Schalla: I haven't tried it, but maybe you can share / via nfs and mount it on your pc Nov 28 19:20:15 I found a nice theme, but it has many bugs and many things look seriously shitty Nov 28 19:20:15 =D Nov 28 19:20:28 So I just customize them by myself Nov 28 19:26:50 mugen-: You around? Nov 28 19:27:11 kesne_: nope Nov 28 19:27:22 LoneStar99: Why do you say that? Nov 28 19:37:01 kesne_: not sure, i have clue Nov 28 19:37:04 jk Nov 28 19:37:59 this link shot to us http://i.imgur.com/M75xU.jpg Nov 28 19:42:46 @sugardave: Okay, webos internals is really THE channel. Nov 28 19:45:19 what is the likelihood palm will support air apps in the future? Nov 28 19:49:11 doubt it Nov 28 19:49:29 Didn't knew that there are warez for the pre in form of the games.. Nov 28 19:56:42 Ugh, I hate inboxes Nov 28 19:56:47 Just a bunch of messy code Nov 28 19:57:18 codeslaw: I thought I heard something about local flash apps in one of the devdays talks in NYC but maybe I misremember. that wouldn't necessarily mean AIR but depending on how it's implemented it may be fairly easy to port AIR apps to it Nov 28 19:58:35 and they could probably be combined with node.js or local binary plugins as needed which could be handy Nov 28 19:59:07 well, it would need to be AIR in order to access touch events, accelerometer, and other phone hardware Nov 28 19:59:37 10.1 alone doesn't contain those API's as far as i know Nov 28 20:00:22 I'm thinking you could use custom API's to your own services or plugins. not as elegant as straight AIR but it may allow for some of what you want Nov 28 20:00:58 clearly some additional work to port though Nov 28 20:01:03 true, that just really eats into the ease of cross platform development Nov 28 20:01:27 maybe adobe will see the need and go for full AIR support Nov 28 20:02:12 indeed, with palm tablets coming out soon, i'm sure they'd go for it Nov 28 20:02:43 the upcoming tablet stuff may open a lot of doors even for the pre folks, I think Nov 28 20:34:57 a tip: ALWAYS specifiy which version of the maps API you've coded against Nov 28 20:35:17 my troubles with non-showing markers etc? google updated the trunk maps API which broke my code Nov 28 20:35:41 http://maps.google.com/maps/api/js?v=3.1&sensor=true <<-- v=3.1 Nov 28 20:35:56 god damnit, now I need to push an update to catalog Nov 28 20:36:06 * b0bben so stupid :( Nov 28 20:54:36 awesome Nov 28 20:54:59 my webOS plugin for IntelliJ/WebStorm/PHPStorm is becoming usable :) Nov 28 21:31:02 Another session of editing the systemui.css Nov 28 21:36:07 jkovacs: sweet! Nov 28 21:36:19 are you using webstorm? Nov 28 21:36:20 i use espresso with a webos plugin Nov 28 21:36:34 Oh, I'm still looking for some people to test this thing Nov 28 21:36:35 nope, i use intellij rubymine alot at work, love their stuff Nov 28 21:37:50 jkovacs: d/l webstorm ;) Nov 28 21:37:59 is your plugin OS specific? i'm on OSX Nov 28 21:38:22 No it should work on every OS but I haven't tested it on my mac yet Nov 28 21:38:46 that is one butt-ugly icon Nov 28 21:38:47 as long as your SDK is where it should be :) Nov 28 21:39:25 oki, loaded my webos project into webstorm, give me teh codes and i'll try your plugin Nov 28 21:39:35 oh you're quick Nov 28 21:39:44 wait asexond Nov 28 21:39:49 second :) Nov 28 21:39:50 Sorry, somebody could tell me the archiv where in webOS Doctor the webOS is? Nov 28 21:39:59 one thing we have in sweden that's good it's fast broadband :D Nov 28 21:40:22 installing the thing took probably more time than downloading it :) Nov 28 21:42:18 let me quickly check where the config directory is on the mac Nov 28 21:44:50 ok, i need a dark theme like there's no tomorrow ... my rubymine vibrantink should work Nov 28 21:49:52 Hey all Nov 28 21:50:54 allright, dark theme fixed... Nov 28 21:51:06 dawm_: ping Nov 28 21:51:07 kesne: wazzaaa Nov 28 21:51:14 b0bben: Howdy Nov 28 21:51:15 let me figure out how to install this thing on os x Nov 28 21:51:29 jkovacs: sure Nov 28 21:51:51 kesne: pissed off cause i didn't version my google maps api definition Nov 28 21:51:58 so now i have to release a fix fast as hell Nov 28 21:52:06 Hehe Nov 28 21:52:08 how 'bout you? Nov 28 21:52:10 Fun stuff Nov 28 21:52:21 I'm working on good'ol villo Nov 28 21:52:51 what's that? Nov 28 21:53:18 A set of free services to allows mobile applications to get cloud-connected Nov 28 21:53:35 sweet Nov 28 21:53:43 so any app could store data there? Nov 28 21:53:45 Working on villo.js for webOS right now Nov 28 21:54:00 Data storage, universal messages, push chat, and lots more Nov 28 21:54:58 sounds kewl Nov 28 21:55:09 your own project, or you working for someone? Nov 28 21:55:28 My own project Nov 28 21:56:37 sounds like a biggy Nov 28 21:56:46 how far along are you to a decent release? Nov 28 21:57:25 We've got it up on github now Nov 28 21:57:41 It's still in it's infancy, but it's getting along Nov 28 21:58:36 sounds like a nice project Nov 28 21:58:51 Yeah, trying to get some contributers Nov 28 21:58:55 you planning on earning some cash off of it someday? support & services? Nov 28 21:59:01 Maybe someday Nov 28 21:59:05 Not immediatly Nov 28 21:59:36 Beta testers of villo get free ad space on webOsworld Nov 28 22:02:20 it's on my watch list now ;) Nov 28 22:02:34 I'M WATCHING YOU NOW! Nov 28 22:02:36 :P Nov 28 22:03:06 Heh Nov 28 22:03:21 what's the backend? sounds like something Erlang would kick ass at... Nov 28 22:03:42 Good ol' php Nov 28 22:06:25 ok Nov 28 22:06:28 jeez. finally found the right folder on os x Nov 28 22:06:42 b0bben: never heard of erlang Nov 28 22:07:00 ~/Library/Preferences/WebIDE10/ jkovacs ? Nov 28 22:07:11 that's what I thought Nov 28 22:07:18 but it's actually in Application Support Nov 28 22:07:22 kesne: lang used mostly in telecom world... Nov 28 22:07:32 jkovacs: aaa, the good ole' appsupport Nov 28 22:07:58 kesne: jabber protocols in erlang are the most kickass msg protocols evah Nov 28 22:08:08 facebook uses it for their chat Nov 28 22:08:22 it's strength is recursion Nov 28 22:08:25 it's fast as hell Nov 28 22:08:58 b0bben: download this: http://www.u-mass.de/software/webOS-storm.zip and unpack it into ~/Library/Application SUpport/WebIDE10 Nov 28 22:10:02 You should be able to create run configurations for your projects and run them in the emulator or device and look at the palm-log output too Nov 28 22:10:38 You can create a configuration also by right clicking in an open file or a file or folder in the projects view Nov 28 22:11:45 jkovacs: works like a charm! Nov 28 22:11:47 Doesn't do much, but it sure was a hell of a lot work with basically no documentation whatsoever to plug this stuff into the ide Nov 28 22:11:59 phew :) Nov 28 22:12:23 jkovacs: https://gist.github.com/719337 Nov 28 22:12:48 jkovacs: there's a lot of docs on rubymine i believe...should be the same Nov 28 22:13:29 what docs? Nov 28 22:14:10 on making plugins for idea Nov 28 22:14:29 i believe you can make those in ruby these days as well Nov 28 22:14:44 Yes you can as it runs on a JVM too Nov 28 22:15:25 but there has never been extensive documentation on intellij plugin development as far as I'm concerned. I did some plugins a couple of years ago :-/ Nov 28 22:15:33 hehe Nov 28 22:15:41 stop button, does it work? Nov 28 22:15:57 it only kills the palm-log process Nov 28 22:15:59 Sorry, somebody could explain me how I can mount the root of my pré via USB/wLAN? Nov 28 22:16:08 your app will continue running though Nov 28 22:16:24 jkovacs: good... Nov 28 22:16:43 yeah, saw that...was just wondering if log process was still running Nov 28 22:17:10 should be killed, I hope Nov 28 22:18:40 Schalla: novaterm maybe? Nov 28 22:18:55 Schalla: don't know jack shit, just spewing ideas Nov 28 22:19:00 Hm... Nov 28 22:19:08 jkovacs: easy enough to find out, give me a sec Nov 28 22:21:07 jkovacs: it does Nov 28 22:21:10 awesome work man! Nov 28 22:21:24 thanks, haven't tested that on os x Nov 28 22:21:48 Schalla: there is a cumbersome way to copy files back and forth Nov 28 22:22:04 Schalla: put files on your phone when in usb disk mode Nov 28 22:22:16 then get out of that mode and novaterm into the device Nov 28 22:22:25 and copy the files where you want Nov 28 22:22:41 that's how i do it when i need stuff from the device Nov 28 22:22:45 hm, yeah think that will be the easiest way, but guess I will use Internalz then. Nov 28 22:22:47 or SSH Nov 28 22:23:08 is SSH available on the device? like pure SSH? Nov 28 22:23:11 like on the emu? Nov 28 22:23:42 you can install openSSH over preware ofc. Nov 28 22:23:59 oh yeah Nov 28 22:24:03 that's right Nov 28 22:24:50 omg should be going to sleep, it's almost midnight here, and i'll be patching stuff in production in the morning at work Nov 28 22:25:01 about to screw it up for 5k users ;) Nov 28 22:25:06 Well Nov 28 22:25:13 And because I am such a lazy bastard Nov 28 22:25:25 I just delete the whole folder and replace it :D Nov 28 22:25:34 Schalla: hardcore style! Nov 28 22:25:59 yeah, but quite effective :D Nov 28 22:26:15 re: my patch in the morning....that's 5k users with guns! Nov 28 22:26:28 Btw Nov 28 22:26:33 hehe Nov 28 22:26:38 I found today a ipk for the full version of AngryBirds Nov 28 22:26:41 was like "wtfo_O" Nov 28 22:26:57 Schalla: yeah, i've seen a couple of "packs" of webos apps/games online Nov 28 22:27:11 Yeah but normally you must pay for them, how illegal :O Nov 28 22:27:37 i even found our iphone app in such a pack....was real glad somebody would go thru such hoops for our app :) Nov 28 22:28:32 Erm, might you tell me how to delete a whole folder? Nov 28 22:28:41 rm {NAME} won't work. Nov 28 22:28:42 Schalla: rm -R foldername Nov 28 22:28:44 thx Nov 28 22:29:21 3 SSH Clients open...^^ Nov 28 22:29:31 watch it with the rm though, especially if there are * involved :) Nov 28 22:29:46 just entered Nov 28 22:29:48 rm -R chatview Nov 28 22:29:49 ;) Nov 28 22:29:50 Schalla: better to rename then Nov 28 22:29:57 the leaked embassy cables are pretty funny sometimes :) Nov 28 22:29:59 hm, how proper. Nov 28 22:29:59 :D Nov 28 22:30:26 jkovacs: haha, what? Nov 28 22:30:55 Schalla: yeah, if you have time on your hands then rm Nov 28 22:30:57 else mv Nov 28 22:31:00 :P Nov 28 22:31:20 for example I'm just reading one where they call one of our politicians a lame duck and such Nov 28 22:31:46 wtf why now mv is bitching arround :D Nov 28 22:31:49 jkovacs: some internal mail conversations or what Nov 28 22:32:05 something like that yeah Nov 28 22:33:37 jkovacs: those are funny...they make you realize that politicians are ppl just like me and you Nov 28 22:33:54 only more power-hungry and ready to walk over dead bodies Nov 28 22:33:54 sorry b0bben but is Nov 28 22:33:58 still, like ppls Nov 28 22:34:06 ppl* Nov 28 22:34:13 we'll see what they're going to find in these docs Nov 28 22:34:16 Schalla: is? Nov 28 22:34:18 mv chatview/* /usr/palm/applications/com.palm.messaging/images/* wrong? Nov 28 22:34:23 yeah needed some time to write. Nov 28 22:34:48 Schalla: screenshot or it didn't happen ;) Nov 28 22:34:58 Hm? Nov 28 22:35:07 of your mod that is Nov 28 22:35:36 i really wanted to get this directions rendering going before going to bed, but google is not my best friend today it seems... Nov 28 22:36:08 okay, enough, i use internalz to copy^^ Nov 28 22:36:17 Schalla: haha, didn't work? Nov 28 22:36:42 the command how i wrote above, nope Nov 28 22:39:07 Sorry. Nov 28 22:39:11 Punch me into the face. Nov 28 22:39:28 missed the "app" in "com.palm.app.messaging" Nov 28 22:40:06 use the TAB luke Nov 28 22:40:30 you already have solved it, hopefully it works Nov 28 22:40:42 you know how much fun it is to customize a own theme with out a tool? Nov 28 22:40:43 :D Nov 28 22:42:22 Schalla: as much fun as sitting 3hrs trying to make one cell larger then the others when coding an webos app? ;) Nov 28 22:42:42 i'm calling it a day ppl, cya all Nov 28 22:42:45 That sounds quite intressting, I want to enter the webOS Coding tommorow. Nov 28 22:42:49 Any tipps? Nov 28 22:42:50 :d Nov 28 22:43:01 Schalla: get the book (see topic in channel) Nov 28 22:43:10 erm ok, thanks Nov 28 22:43:16 I wish u a good night and thanks for your help Nov 28 22:43:18 look thru builtin apps (code is provided in SDK) Nov 28 22:43:25 Schalla: np Nov 28 22:43:28 GN Nov 28 23:07:49 Schalla: check out Ares also Nov 28 23:08:40 Thanks for the hint. WIDK was named me when I would like to use C, is that right? Nov 28 23:11:00 @destinal Nov 28 23:13:12 Schalla: ah, right. unless you want to do pure full screen apps with SDL though you won't be able to use just C Nov 28 23:14:10 the UI / presentation framework with the widgets, buttons fields, etc, is in javascript / html /css Nov 28 23:14:22 Ok, HTML and CSS won't be a problem Nov 28 23:14:31 but how the fuck you can combine C and HTML? Nov 28 23:14:37 magic Nov 28 23:14:42 :) Nov 28 23:14:44 Schalla: they call them hybrid apps Nov 28 23:15:33 So as example angrybirds would be such a fullscreen ap with SDL? Nov 28 23:15:39 Yes Nov 28 23:15:40 *App Nov 28 23:16:07 Hm, well, I would start anyway kinda new to C (Just started to learn it with a book), so I think the hybrid way wouldn't be that bad. Nov 28 23:16:53 Schalla: WIRC is a good example of a hybrid app. angry birds or guitar hero or whatever is the full screen SDL/ (as well as often with opengl-es) game type app Nov 28 23:17:26 is wIRC OpenSource? Nov 28 23:17:47 if so, i think I will take a look on the sourcecode on thuesday. Nov 28 23:18:19 Schalla: yes, it's available on our git repository. http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/wIRC.git Nov 28 23:18:38 This git file I can open with WIDK? Nov 28 23:18:44 Thanks for your much help :) Nov 28 23:19:26 Schalla: yeah, if you have questions check out our wiki or #webos-internals Nov 28 23:22:08 I will now try to install WIDK, heard that wouldnt be that eayy Nov 28 23:22:09 :p Nov 28 23:22:10 *easy Nov 28 23:26:14 @destinal: Thanks for your whole help :) Nov 28 23:26:28 Schalla: you're welcome Nov 28 23:28:30 How long you already develope? Nov 28 23:28:41 * webOSQuire waves Nov 28 23:30:50 * Schalla waves back to webOSQuire Nov 29 00:07:02 AhhI love villo Nov 29 00:43:02 * halfhalo notes a tree fell in the pool Nov 29 00:44:15 was there anyone there to hear it? Nov 29 00:44:34 Yes Nov 29 00:44:43 yes Nov 29 00:44:55 Its a small tree though, which is good Nov 29 00:45:20 Last time we had wind like this two lounge chairs and an umbrella + stand made it into the pool Nov 29 00:46:53 heh Nov 29 00:58:58 is there css to force webkit to ignore mouse events on an item Nov 29 01:00:01 webos-specific? Nov 29 01:00:03 yes Nov 29 01:00:08 ya Nov 29 01:00:12 webkit-specific? no clue Nov 29 01:00:25 -webkit-palm-mouse-target: ignore; Nov 29 01:00:38 some things it doesn't work on though Nov 29 01:00:44 like, img tags, if i remember correctly Nov 29 01:01:19 word Nov 29 01:20:09 hi all Nov 29 01:23:36 hi JenP Nov 29 01:23:45 hi haeffb Nov 29 01:24:45 hi Adora Nov 29 01:25:19 hello from....I think still florida Nov 29 01:25:26 <--- on a plane Nov 29 01:25:26 lol Nov 29 01:25:35 to... MEXICO!!! Nov 29 01:30:29 . Nov 29 01:40:21 Hey, it's Adora! Nov 29 01:40:27 And JenP! Nov 29 01:40:44 hi kesne! Nov 29 01:41:48 in-flight wifi makes the flight go so much faster Nov 29 01:42:37 yupyup Nov 29 01:47:16 Bmyers!! Nov 29 01:47:27 Hi JenP Nov 29 01:47:41 hows things? Nov 29 01:47:55 good! Nov 29 01:48:47 well thats good to hear Nov 29 01:49:11 i think i OD'd on turkey this weekend Nov 29 01:49:28 i hear ya! I can't seem to get my brain to function Nov 29 01:50:14 i made the opposite of turkey for dinner tonight, pizza.. Nov 29 01:55:40 i gave into corprate brainwashing and got a McRib Nov 29 01:56:14 really. I wouldnt have pegged you for a McRib. Nov 29 01:56:33 like i said 'brain washing' Nov 29 01:57:02 i like that they're rib-shaped Nov 29 01:57:05 but with no rib-bones Nov 29 01:57:13 magical Nov 29 01:57:13 lol Nov 29 01:57:24 magic Nov 29 01:57:42 total magic Nov 29 01:57:47 was it good? Nov 29 01:57:56 it was sooo good..... Nov 29 01:58:04 but now i have a stomach ache...LOL Nov 29 01:59:01 lol Nov 29 01:59:03 dont get to mcdonalds much cause it's SO far away Nov 29 01:59:09 McRib!!! Nov 29 01:59:09 like a mile Nov 29 01:59:21 Bmyers: get a scooter Nov 29 01:59:23 a mile is far? Nov 29 01:59:38 or a segway Nov 29 01:59:43 or a skate board! Nov 29 01:59:53 or shoes? Nov 29 02:00:30 i'm a lazy SOB when it comes to going there. Nov 29 02:00:46 plus they kids go nutso because of the stupid happy meals Nov 29 02:01:01 lol, sounds like a prime mcdonalds customer Nov 29 02:01:16 end up playing with the toy, not eating dinner and being hungry 30 minutes later Nov 29 02:01:24 lol Nov 29 02:01:36 drives me crazy Nov 29 02:01:44 hi haeffb Nov 29 02:02:01 hello, Bmyers! Nov 29 02:02:26 lol Nov 29 02:02:40 Tigers beat arch-rival KU in football yesterday 35-7. Beat Arkansas Pine-Bluff today in bball 91-63. Nov 29 02:02:58 \0/ Nov 29 02:03:05 \O/ !! Nov 29 02:03:39 football finishes season 10-2. have won 40 games in the past four seasons. Nov 29 02:03:39 did i miss anything else? Been trying to actually code over the weekend Nov 29 02:04:00 when I was in school, they were lucky to win 4 games in four seasons. Nov 29 02:04:18 should have left earlier to spare the team Nov 29 02:04:56 whatcha coding? Nov 29 02:05:42 * oil guesses javascript Nov 29 02:06:02 \me guesses HTML Nov 29 02:06:03 xD Nov 29 02:06:05 LOL Nov 29 02:06:15 one more guess Nov 29 02:06:27 phonegap? Nov 29 02:06:29 css? Nov 29 02:06:30 and all three would be correct Nov 29 02:06:33 all 4 Nov 29 02:06:41 actually.. yeah phonegap too Nov 29 02:06:44 lol...we're so clever Nov 29 02:06:49 bah Nov 29 02:06:49 yay us! Nov 29 02:06:51 i got in their beta build thingie Nov 29 02:07:02 bbiab boardwalk empires on Nov 29 02:07:11 pretty cool thing Nov 29 02:07:14 by JenP Nov 29 02:08:18 the phonegap build tool spits out like 4 -5 platforms Nov 29 02:08:35 doesnt always work but I'm sure they'll get it working. Nov 29 02:08:36 hello everybody Nov 29 02:08:38 all these unimportant platforms Nov 29 02:09:00 ios, crackberry, symbian, android and webos Nov 29 02:11:47 hey, that guy's all sugary and davey! Nov 29 02:12:09 it's me Nov 29 02:12:16 sugardave: !!!!! Nov 29 02:12:17 mario? Nov 29 02:12:21 Bmyers: they'll get it working next summer. Right now is snowboarding season. Nov 29 02:12:27 i know. Nov 29 02:12:39 hilarious Nov 29 02:12:40 I can't believe nobody has an answer for getting an image directly via Ajax and converting it to usefulness Nov 29 02:12:54 i had to laugh when the phonegap guy said that  Nov 29 02:13:00 Leslie Nielsen dead at 84. Nov 29 02:13:09 surely, you can't be serious?! Nov 29 02:13:13 oh no! Nov 29 02:13:21 Shirley Nov 29 02:13:26 sugardave: base64 if it's not to big Nov 29 02:13:28 yes, I am and stop calling me Shirley. Nov 29 02:13:33 dont call me Shirley Nov 29 02:13:42 oh son of a bitch Nov 29 02:13:46 did he die on an airplane ? Nov 29 02:13:57 did he have the chicken or the fish ? Nov 29 02:13:57 Bmyers: how do you do that? Base64.decode on responseText? Nov 29 02:14:06 complications from pneumonia. Is riding on an airplane a complication of pneumonia? Nov 29 02:14:43 haeffb: if the window was down, maybe Nov 29 02:15:16 sugardave: for some reason I'm thinking you may not have to decode it? dont remember off hand Nov 29 02:16:05 I've tried a bunch of ways but can't seem to make the data uri from it...I think I have a workaround for what I'm trying to do Nov 29 02:19:10 sugardave: are you creating an img on the fly so cant just send a url? Nov 29 02:20:03 I'm trying to "preload" a few images and want to use their onload event to flag when they are available Nov 29 02:20:24 it's basically a slideshow from the cloud, so I don't know when I can actually go to the next image Nov 29 02:21:03 so I was just going to store all the data uris as I got them Nov 29 02:21:41 isnt there another event for knowing when all the images are loaded? Nov 29 02:21:58 but now I'm modifying the plan to just generate the img elements on the fly as I get them from ajax Nov 29 02:22:17 er not from ajax, but just setting their src attr Nov 29 02:22:30 ah. clear as mud... Nov 29 02:22:35 yeah Nov 29 02:22:45 I just thought of it, so I can't describe it properly Nov 29 02:22:51 it's evolving Nov 29 02:23:10 because it sure as hell wasn't intelligently designed Nov 29 02:23:15 alt="Base64 encoded image" width="150" height="150"/> Nov 29 02:23:18 ooops Nov 29 02:24:09 my point was, i dont think you have to decode the base64'd images YMMV based on browser and driving habits.. Nov 29 02:24:38 but all I have from ajax is responseText, and I can't just set that as the src, I think Nov 29 02:24:41 I think I tried that Nov 29 02:24:42 hmm Nov 29 02:25:01 hm HMmmm Nov 29 02:26:50 i dont think it would work with like a centerfold pic but an icon or something small might work Nov 29 02:28:03 how do we make a button play a sound? Nov 29 02:28:51 DAMNATION Nov 29 02:28:54 I hate this so much Nov 29 02:29:02 depends who's button it is Nov 29 02:29:18 lol Nov 29 02:29:24 look who wondered in... it's phil_bw Nov 29 02:29:26 What's sugardave's question Nov 29 02:29:35 * phil_bw wanders by Nov 29 02:30:10 something about an african swallow.. i dont know what sugardave is working on.. Nov 29 02:30:26 derp derp derp Nov 29 02:30:41 kesne: my question is, is it possible to ajax request an image directly and somehow use responseText to display it? Nov 29 02:30:59 Why the hell would you do it that way? Nov 29 02:31:07 I have my reasons Nov 29 02:31:16 >_> Nov 29 02:31:22 * halfhalo steals those reasons Nov 29 02:31:33 If you want it cached, just throw it in an invisible tag and webOS'll cache that shit Nov 29 02:31:59 i think he wants to know when he actually has them loaded in the DOM? Nov 29 02:32:03 yeah, the caching is working really well Nov 29 02:32:23 I have no idea why you'd do that Nov 29 02:32:48 he used to have reasons... Nov 29 02:32:48 he just needs the how, not the why.. Nov 29 02:33:02 guess he needs both now.. Nov 29 02:33:02 I have these pictures that are remote, and then they're to be part of a slideshow Nov 29 02:33:13 with nifty transition, etc Nov 29 02:33:29 but it's hard to do if the next or previous image hasn't been retrieved yet Nov 29 02:34:00 so, I just wanted to do a bunch of ajax requests to the images and flag them on success...and then use the response to build the image Nov 29 02:35:36 just preload them with some CSS? eg load them in say a background DIV that just has its size set to 0x0 and display: hidden? Nov 29 02:35:36 Like I said, image tag Nov 29 02:35:55 That also works Nov 29 02:36:04 kesne: that's the new plan...going to construct a bunch of image tags and swap them in/out with css Nov 29 02:36:14 Shits so cache Nov 29 02:36:23 Heh Nov 29 02:37:31 anyone worked with custom widgets? Nov 29 02:41:10 I'm curious if I can setup a list widget inside of a custom widget.. Nov 29 02:52:30 Anybody want to join the Villo team? Nov 29 02:54:29 what it that? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Nov 29 02:59:57 2010