**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Dec 13 02:59:58 2010
Dec 13 03:00:00 <mattsmcnulty> trying to get someone else on my team to come - I had scott come to nyc to do the demo at dev day
Dec 13 03:00:09 <mattsmcnulty> but scott would never go to spain
Dec 13 03:00:22 <bpadalino> why not ? not into international travel much ?
Dec 13 03:00:25 <bpadalino> or is he wanted ?
Dec 13 03:00:28 <mattsmcnulty> he hates travel
Dec 13 03:00:30 <alexfner> wanted
Dec 13 03:00:33 <alexfner> he's wanted
Dec 13 03:00:42 <mattsmcnulty> he has twins, and another kid, and his wife would kill me if I took him
Dec 13 03:01:02 <alexfner> he's wanted for having butter fingers
Dec 13 03:01:05 <mattsmcnulty> heh
Dec 13 03:01:13 <mattsmcnulty> he did a good job in nyc with that demo
Dec 13 03:01:26 <mattsmcnulty> he got credit on a bunch of the articles
Dec 13 03:01:58 <bpadalino> that sounds good .. you going to be doing a lot of demoing at mwc or just watching ?
Dec 13 03:02:16 <alexfner> mattsmcnulty: chrome doesn't support hardware accel, right?  so why demo on chrome instead of safari?
Dec 13 03:02:26 <alexfner> just in relation to enyo
Dec 13 03:02:38 * halfhalo is still waiting to see if little old me gets a palm/hp ces invitation
Dec 13 03:02:38 <mattsmcnulty> bpadalino: not sure, plus I can't really say ;-)
Dec 13 03:02:46 <bpadalino> ah, right - that whole thing .. :)
Dec 13 03:03:05 <mattsmcnulty> alexfner: yes, safari is better for hw accel, but we didn't really show anything with hw accel in ny
Dec 13 03:03:13 <alexfner> halfhalo: email theboss@hp.com and ask
Dec 13 03:03:17 <bpadalino> enyo looked pretty neat - and moving development to the browser is pretty nice
Dec 13 03:03:34 * halfhalo already emailed press@palm but heard nothing back
Dec 13 03:03:40 <mattsmcnulty> yeah, I spent the last 2 years trying to make up for the fact that ppl could not develop in the browser, from the tools side
Dec 13 03:03:43 <mattsmcnulty> nice to punt on all that
Dec 13 03:03:53 <dawm> just funny (altho old)
Dec 13 03:03:54 <dawm> http://g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/708792/Kinect-Boob-Tracking-Is-Possible.html
Dec 13 03:04:14 <mattsmcnulty> enyo isn't *that* far off opus/ares, if ppl want to get started early
Dec 13 03:04:35 <bpadalino> i have to say, i was pretty disappointed with the purchase of the unlocked pre2 .. some part # snafu and it didn't ship for 3 days - shipped just in time to sit at a facility for the weekend :(
Dec 13 03:05:00 <mattsmcnulty> huh
Dec 13 03:06:18 <bpadalino> i ordered a pre2 from the website on monday, but i had to call on friday when there hadn't been any change in shipping status all week
Dec 13 03:06:47 <bpadalino> person said it was a part number snafu
Dec 13 03:07:25 <dawm> interesting
Dec 13 03:07:37 <dawm> twitter's 'Similar to You' is all webOS developers ;p
Dec 13 03:10:39 <oil> so, their algorithm is pretty good?
Dec 13 03:10:55 <halfhalo> no, since it says the same for me
Dec 13 03:11:03 <oil> ...
Dec 13 03:11:26 <dawm> i dunno
Dec 13 03:12:01 <dawm> http://twitter.com/#!/similar_to/YOURTWITTERNAME (must be logged in to that name as well)
Dec 13 03:19:07 <solix> thats just 'your' (dawm) similars... mine would be different.. i think :)
Dec 13 03:19:17 <solix> havnt used twit in over 5 years..
Dec 13 03:19:18 <dawm> i know
Dec 13 03:19:32 <solix> oh doh.  ;) heh ok
Dec 13 03:19:37 <oil> friend more random folk
Dec 13 03:20:08 <solix> whats your twitter name "dawm" :)
Dec 13 03:20:24 <dawm> dawm & biocandy
Dec 13 03:20:50 * halfhalo goes to watch deus ex human revolution 5 min teaser
Dec 13 03:27:38 <dawm> lol
Dec 13 03:27:49 <dawm> was just gunna ask who @x1705 was
Dec 13 03:27:57 <halfhalo> that was win
Dec 13 03:28:21 <halfhalo> winwinwinwinwin
Dec 13 03:31:20 * halfhalo watched the uncharted 3 teaser
Dec 13 03:31:29 <halfhalo> full of win as well
Dec 13 03:33:03 <dawm> yessir
Dec 13 03:33:10 <dawm> i still have to beat 2
Dec 13 03:33:16 <dawm> beat 1 twice ;P
Dec 13 03:33:29 <dawm> i have too many uncompleted games
Dec 13 03:34:26 <dawm> halo:odst, deadspace, dante's inferno, uncharted2,bioshock,bioshock2, LBP.. just off the top of my head
Dec 13 03:34:56 <halfhalo> ok, me3 is also win
Dec 13 03:35:11 <dawm> oh yeah ME1 aint done either
Dec 13 03:36:21 <halfhalo> never player odst, deadspace, or dantes infero or lbp but beat the resr
Dec 13 03:36:25 <halfhalo> rest
Dec 13 03:36:42 <dawm> oh yeah batman as well
Dec 13 03:36:51 <halfhalo> beat that
Dec 13 03:36:55 <dawm> odd tho.. i got God of war3 and played that straight thru
Dec 13 03:38:29 <halfhalo> beat me1&2, new vegas, both uncharted (2 was awesome but multi sucks), and deus ex invisible war, but not the first one since i could not get the hang of it
Dec 13 03:38:43 <halfhalo> oh, and almost finished assasins creed 2 before it got boring
Dec 13 03:39:03 <alexfner> how the hell do you guys have time for these reindeer games?
Dec 13 03:39:28 <halfhalo> I can get through most in 12 hoursish
Dec 13 03:39:38 <dawm> oh i actually beat FO3
Dec 13 03:39:45 <dawm> i have borderlands too that i need to beat
Dec 13 03:40:13 <halfhalo> Beat borderlands and all dcl on both run throughs, but never did fallout 3... wait.. did i?
Dec 13 03:40:23 <dawm> LOL
Dec 13 03:40:28 <dawm> just had a chapta image
Dec 13 03:40:30 <dawm> 'debug again'
Dec 13 03:40:34 <dawm> er debugs again
Dec 13 03:40:39 <halfhalo> I know i was close, but i kept losing my saves
Dec 13 03:41:01 <dawm> http://api.recaptcha.net/image?c=02vmV_8XPRPFPTFT12uXup9LEU3cGIoGqZbGh5NtDtJRxpNe7mbvzgmvdvHG_jty0ByrNVPID_9gNbQwtHkK6LCOmE9gMpD6w6Ndg862H6bws63vW9EpFQoKClG79rvVEJXLmVbhY01ESLS-aj0Zi06xWu6ZtP81b-aSgyic50OSnXxfQDVSfpsDWtXc_XVflnnaSL1nuwlJuPQLKAjrkCvGcxFu56ZVD3KaitLo4-umNNlkFTGiCI-jvlJSsyz4Dkl-3qVzE56ECIVsNARyecja7y6be8RwvmlqpPwHhTsouoHFhFpKHJaAK1KDV82kVmHrFjjwIC
Dec 13 03:41:23 <halfhalo> hah
Dec 13 03:41:35 <halfhalo> I need a good game to play over break
Dec 13 03:41:57 <dawm> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8ZRrhXoXtQ
Dec 13 03:42:46 <dawm> seriously?
Dec 13 03:42:48 <dawm> http://www.lightinthebox.com/wholesale-Discount-Cell-Phones_c4428?gclid=CM-tqNan6KUCFcIKKgodbXXb3A
Dec 13 03:42:52 <dawm> this was in an ad on youtube
Dec 13 03:43:02 <dawm> HiPhone4 and SciPhone
Dec 13 03:43:10 <dawm> HiPhone 4G
Dec 13 03:44:07 <halfhalo> oh! march is deus ex 3!
Dec 13 03:44:12 <halfhalo> yayQ
Dec 13 03:46:12 <solix> gawd gmails captcha is cRaZy... arg.
Dec 13 03:48:06 <alexfner> ah hell the spring mechanism on my pre just broke
Dec 13 03:48:24 <alexfner> phone gets stuck open, then stuck closed
Dec 13 03:48:29 <alexfner> and now it won't close all the way
Dec 13 03:48:35 <alexfner> what the hell!
Dec 13 03:48:35 <halfhalo> hah
Dec 13 03:49:35 <alexfner> I'm in a conundrum
Dec 13 03:49:48 <alexfner> no webOS upgrade path on sprint
Dec 13 03:49:51 <alexfner> going to Apple this summer
Dec 13 03:49:55 <alexfner> and I don't want android
Dec 13 03:50:01 <halfhalo> go to att!
Dec 13 03:50:04 <alexfner> what to do what to do
Dec 13 03:50:08 <alexfner> yeah but I don't have money :)
Dec 13 03:58:37 <maik> alright, that was an amazing play
Dec 13 03:58:39 <maik> and a great celebration
Dec 13 04:16:30 <torchie> yeah this is one hell of a conundrum
Dec 13 04:17:01 <torchie> at least on AT&T you get a choice between the two evils
Dec 13 04:59:48 <BMyers> yo
Dec 13 05:00:09 <vimpulse> BMyers:  hey.
Dec 13 05:03:31 <BMyers> did i miss anything?
Dec 13 05:04:29 <SineOt> hey
Dec 13 05:04:39 <SineOt> sup BMyers?
Dec 13 05:05:25 <BMyers> not much.
Dec 13 05:05:36 <SineOt> still needs new keyboard/settings icons... http://ruddersquish.com/screenshots/BoxeeRemoteNav.png http://ruddersquish.com/screenshots/BoxeeRemotePlay.png
Dec 13 05:10:21 <oil> 6 squares in a square for kb, and a gear or a wrench?
Dec 13 05:11:53 <SineOt> yeah, just need to actually make the icons
Dec 13 05:12:00 <SineOt> and right now I'm just like... Hrrrrrg
Dec 13 05:13:02 * SineOt dies and falls alseep
Dec 13 05:15:45 <halfhalo> lol
Dec 13 05:16:28 <iraebrasil> hi there! i'm new to webos, but I think I may have found a bug in the mojo FW =)
Dec 13 05:16:40 <iraebrasil> can someone help me figure that out?
Dec 13 05:16:55 <halfhalo> there are many bugs, but what have you found?
Dec 13 05:17:16 <iraebrasil> this is a simple thing
Dec 13 05:17:33 <iraebrasil> I'm trying to use a ListSelector outsite a palm-list
Dec 13 05:17:48 <iraebrasil> the list works, the problem is, I lost the triangle...
Dec 13 05:18:27 <iraebrasil> I noticed that the problem is in /usr/palm/frameworks/mojo/submissions/347/stylesheets/global-menus.css
Dec 13 05:19:07 <iraebrasil> .palm-row .list-selector-triangle {...}
Dec 13 05:20:11 <halfhalo> what version of webos? and you should post in palms dev forum as well and see if they know about it
Dec 13 05:20:45 <iraebrasil> I'm with latest SDK, 1.4.5.465
Dec 13 05:21:17 <iraebrasil> I think the palm-row class is not needed there, do you agree?
Dec 13 05:21:59 <iraebrasil> I've copied this css rule to my app's css and all works fine =)
Dec 13 05:22:18 <halfhalo> theres your solution then
Dec 13 05:22:24 <iraebrasil> Does palm sdk has a bugtracker? or the forums is the way to go?
Dec 13 05:22:34 <halfhalo> forums is the way to go
Dec 13 05:22:55 <iraebrasil> but I can't change the SDK... =) I want to report it so other developer can benefit
Dec 13 05:23:10 <halfhalo> forums is still the way to go
Dec 13 05:23:13 <iraebrasil> ok
Dec 13 05:23:14 <iraebrasil> :)
Dec 13 05:23:18 <iraebrasil> thanks
Dec 13 06:02:32 <solix> blarg. anyone know why my Make would be saying "End-of-central-directory signature not found.  Either this file is not   a zipfile, or it constitutes one disk of a multi-part archive." when i try to make the meta-doctor.. and have downloaded, the latest webdoctor required right off the link provided in the meta-wiki(ie; palm).. nothing (noted) in the makefile points to this.. afaik. ?:|
Dec 13 06:02:53 <halfhalo> redownload the doctor
Dec 13 06:02:55 <solix> it is a jar file.. of course.
Dec 13 06:03:06 <solix> did that, three times now.. hehe, but can do it again. :)
Dec 13 06:03:35 <solix>     * http://palm.cdnetworks.net/rom/preplus/p145r0d09132010/ver1z0np145rod/webosdoctorp101ewwverizonwireless.jar
Dec 13 06:03:40 <solix> thats the one i grab
Dec 13 06:04:01 <solix> keep trying mayebe.. ? :`
Dec 13 06:04:33 <solix> d/ling it with wget, not browser.. jfyi
Dec 13 06:04:43 * halfhalo dunnos if its not that
Dec 13 06:05:18 <solix> hmp, but should* be right one, so will just keep trying something else.. good to learn a few things along the way i giuess.. heh
Dec 13 06:05:47 <solix> or just end up frustrated... who knoes.. haha
Dec 13 06:06:02 <solix> http://pastebin.com/eM6UdHg2
Dec 13 06:06:06 <solix> complete output error
Dec 13 06:06:11 <vimpulse> solix:  what's the output of md5sum?
Dec 13 06:07:01 <vimpulse> solix:  *of md5sum when run on the appropriate file
Dec 13 06:07:15 <solix> 1sec..
Dec 13 06:08:26 <solix> d50e994a6e7379cdbeae2e44c005ba99
Dec 13 06:08:32 <solix> i didnt compare it, will do now.
Dec 13 06:08:58 <vimpulse> solix:  compare it with what?
Dec 13 06:10:03 <solix> i thought i saw a checksum to compare it to on the site i d/ld the meta-doctor from (rods)
Dec 13 06:10:15 <solix> or am i thinking diff. that what you are referring to..
Dec 13 06:11:22 <vimpulse> solix:  ah.  I've never seen the site and so didn't know there were md5sums there.
Dec 13 06:14:43 <vimpulse> solix:  what did you find?
Dec 13 06:15:29 <solix> hm, not there anyways, looked like a checksum, was something else though..
Dec 13 06:15:29 <solix> http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=tools/meta-doctor.git;a=commit;h=b85684df2c1f0366b7ea61b8718c360953723753
Dec 13 06:15:53 <solix> need to find the exact that i got it from, take a minuye
Dec 13 06:17:22 <solix> meta-doctor-b85684d.tar.gz
Dec 13 06:17:40 <solix> was what i grabbed, sorry geting interuptd here..
Dec 13 06:21:18 <vimpulse> solix:  just curious by the way:  where did you buy your phone?
Dec 13 06:21:34 <solix> store front verizon..
Dec 13 06:21:47 <solix> had it replaced via them as well.
Dec 13 06:21:56 <solix> in midwest usa
Dec 13 06:22:06 <vimpulse> solix:  so why not just run it on verizon?
Dec 13 06:22:20 <vimpulse> :)
Dec 13 06:22:50 <solix> its not for this one, i want it for a dev one, unactivated.. for experiemntal, development purposes.. without risking mymain. :)
Dec 13 06:23:01 <solix> erm, a second pp+..
Dec 13 06:23:15 <vimpulse> ok.  So, I then should've asked:  Where did you buy your dev phone?
Dec 13 06:23:47 <solix> i havnt yet.  i can stil use met-doctor to customize my doctor installs, for future...
Dec 13 06:24:52 <solix> i can customise the doctor with meta-doctor, leaving activation enabled for now, then change it when i use it on my dev phone, with same intent
Dec 13 06:25:23 <vimpulse> solix:  makes sense.  Anyway, your next step is to get someone with Linux to test that md5sum for you.
Dec 13 06:25:35 <solix> i have linux
Dec 13 06:25:46 <solix> mac, and pc.. :)
Dec 13 06:25:51 <solix> but linux is main
Dec 13 06:25:56 <vimpulse> solix:  *someone else with linux
Dec 13 06:26:25 <solix> i have othe computers.. with linux.. fedora/red hat. that'd work..  :)
Dec 13 06:26:34 <solix> should check that i guess.. :)
Dec 13 06:29:30 <solix> i dont think its anything complicated, its just been awhile since ive did any compiling, or recompiling, it'll come back to me..
Dec 13 06:30:44 <solix> i might have missed installing some libs, dunno, not use to using Ubuntu.. but have to atm. :)
Dec 13 06:32:33 <vimpulse> solix:  "End-of-central-directory signature not found" means a jar file couldn't unzip:  maybe the file is corrupted.
Dec 13 06:32:56 <vimpulse> solix:  anyway, gtg, good luck, and if you can't get more help here, try some forum or mailing list.  All the best.
Dec 13 06:33:12 <solix> thanks vimpulse... will do :)
Dec 13 06:33:21 <vimpulse> solix:  you're welcome
Dec 13 06:33:24 <solix> yeah, will try d/ling again...
Dec 13 06:33:25 <solix> :)
Dec 13 06:33:27 <solix> ttyl
Dec 13 06:35:43 <solix> oh doh., theres the md5checksum.. lol
Dec 13 06:37:22 <solix> 2e1cbe14267c61941d62d2d7fd82a544
Dec 13 06:42:03 <solix> re torchie
Dec 13 06:42:26 <torchie> ;D
Dec 13 06:42:57 <solix> doh, but wow.. i kinda had a diff. opinion/ex[ectation of what the meta-doctor build was for... need to do some more reading up for sure.. *very* awesome.. i was thinking to 'simply'..
Dec 13 06:43:11 <solix> on to wikimeta-doctor i guess. :)
Dec 13 06:56:46 <solix> precentral recover passwd question asked what the first us president was.. washington, i put, it said i was wrong.. lol
Dec 13 06:57:13 <solix> i googled, said it was Hanson (pre constitution), ok, that the trouble with being toooo technical.. hehehe
Dec 13 06:58:02 <solix> but, washington, was/is considered the 1st U.S. Pres.  bleh.  got a new question answered.. hehe
Dec 13 06:58:35 <solix> i should have put rod whitby.  :P  haha
Dec 13 06:58:50 <solix> rere torchie.
Dec 13 07:05:17 <solix> hey, isnt this violating palms terms, http://forums.precentral.net/webos-internals/266139-webos-internals-automated-installers.html
Dec 13 07:05:23 <solix> pre compiled webdoctor...
Dec 13 07:05:26 <solix> ?
Dec 13 07:05:58 <solix> not cool
Dec 13 07:06:20 <halfhalo> their not precompiled, although not in the internals spirit
Dec 13 07:07:12 <solix> yeah.. im looking at it again, just kinda struck me odd.  nv/m :)
Dec 13 07:10:09 <solix> in the event that someone uses someone 'elses' precompiled *anything, from a forum, untrusted/known is just "not a good idea" (to put it lightly) anyways, but theres always *somebody* wanting to peacock.. heh >:|
Dec 13 07:11:54 <solix> i saw a video of someone "claiming they got webos to run on there pc"... i thought, huh?  watche dthe vid, the person simply was touting the webos emulator with 2.0.. erked me a bit to see it posted on a tech/blog.. wish i had the url, but i dont think i do atm.
Dec 13 07:19:37 <solix> my pet bassetts snore.
Dec 13 07:19:42 <solix> lol..
Dec 13 07:27:01 <rwhitby> solix: neither of the files in that thread contain Palm files
Dec 13 07:27:30 <solix> yes, sorry jumped the gun.. i looked closer at it.. :|
Dec 13 07:27:51 <solix> read diff. to me, but i shouldnt rely on that alone.. esp. when its late.. ;)
Dec 13 07:30:00 <rwhitby> solix: actually, I take that back.  the meta-doctor.zip file does contain a palm-novacom.deb which is not allowed to be redistributed
Dec 13 07:30:31 <solix> score!  ;) just kiddin.. kinda. :/  heh
Dec 13 07:31:13 <solix> any other OS, and i wouldnt care.. what *other people do.
Dec 13 07:32:10 <rwhitby> solix: it wasn't a pre compiled webdoctor, just redistributing novacom drivers
Dec 13 07:33:16 <solix> i see now. i think i just finished reading a past forum where that was an issue with someone, so it probably lingered in my mind.. but nonetheless.. *shrug. :)
Dec 13 07:34:00 <rwhitby> I've reported it to the moderators
Dec 13 07:35:01 <solix> :) ok thanks.. also looks like an conflicting doctor version is downloaded with the following command to mv it to the download directory, but that wouldn't do anything but give an error..
Dec 13 07:35:08 <solix> afaik
Dec 13 07:35:53 <solix> aside from breaking any terms, the stupid things people 'trust./allow' from so manyunknown sources just drives ya crazy.. then they complain that something went wrong.. grrr..
Dec 13 07:36:22 <solix> neways.. back to reading.. :)
Dec 13 08:31:03 <solix> 88% down d/ling, and forgot my batt_saver was on, thus turning on Airplane mode.. >:/ Grrump.  lulz
Dec 13 08:31:31 <solix> nice little waste of bandwidth.. :^/
Dec 13 08:41:13 <solix> so.. these two webos-dev guys walk out of a bar...  no! really!  it could happen... ;)  hehe
Dec 13 08:41:47 <solix> morning hotdp
Dec 13 08:42:01 <hotdp> good morning
Dec 13 08:44:40 <solix> rwhitby: heres another place that linked to the "met-doctor.zip" file you had removed from the forums,
Dec 13 08:44:40 <solix> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:MetaDoctor
Dec 13 08:44:54 <solix> the first section, UPDATE!..
Dec 13 08:45:17 <solix> There is an automated script available here
Dec 13 08:50:19 <solix> creating an account, will see if i can edit, or send/pm..
Dec 13 08:51:44 <solix> done.
Dec 13 08:57:12 <solix> hey what ever happened to "PuffTheMagic"?  just curious..
Dec 13 09:01:54 <destinal> solix: he joined the Iriish mafia and started blowing up cars.  He's wanted in 5 states.
Dec 13 09:02:38 <destinal> solix: or maybe not and he's just hanging out in #webos-internals  :)
Dec 13 09:03:03 <solix> under a new identity.. im sure.. after his past.. haha
Dec 13 09:03:13 <destinal> lol, indeed
Dec 13 09:04:02 <solix> meh. just ran across an older post from him, and remembered he use to be pretty active in here a month or two ago.. maybe 3-4
Dec 13 09:04:25 <solix> they must have caught him.. heh
Dec 13 09:04:34 <solix> morning Darkmagister
Dec 13 09:04:44 <Darkmagister> morning :D
Dec 13 09:05:13 <solix> whats new..
Dec 13 09:06:27 * hotdp could use some kind of free dictionary with all words from a country, any?
Dec 13 09:06:54 <rwhitby> solix: thx
Dec 13 09:07:07 <solix> rwhitby: np
Dec 13 09:07:28 <solix> hotdp: brute force works better.. ;) hehe
Dec 13 09:08:12 <destinal-sleep> solix: seriously you could just message him or ping him in #webos-internals  channel
Dec 13 09:08:20 <hotdp> For my language fix for webos 2.0 its not good
Dec 13 09:09:06 <solix> destinal-zzzz: oh duh. my bad.. kinda forget theres a world outside #webos... thx. ;)
Dec 13 09:10:20 <solix> you need a complete/full to compare, or just check a few?
Dec 13 09:10:47 <hotdp> me?
Dec 13 09:11:06 <solix> nvm. yeah, full id guess..
Dec 13 09:11:15 <solix> not a web-app lookup. :/
Dec 13 09:11:57 <hotdp> I need like all danish words with fx. æ
Dec 13 09:12:09 <hotdp> and other countries have other letters
Dec 13 09:12:22 <solix> oh yeah.. ok
Dec 13 09:12:30 <hotdp> the fis is not to use sym button anymore but Shortcut in webos 2.0
Dec 13 09:12:41 <hotdp> i am nearly finish but need words :P
Dec 13 09:12:53 <hotdp> But can never go in the app catalog :s
Dec 13 09:13:41 <solix> something here you mjight be able to rip out.. ? http://3d2f.com/tags/dictionary/text/file/
Dec 13 09:14:52 <hotdp> eh?
Dec 13 09:16:17 <solix> eh, just looking for a freeware program that you could use the data file(dictionary) from for your app..
Dec 13 09:17:20 <hotdp> ahh i see
Dec 13 09:17:25 <hotdp> yer that would be fine
Dec 13 09:17:33 <hotdp> but did not see a program on that link?
Dec 13 09:18:03 <solix> im dling it, its windows, but theres another possibility im loking at..
Dec 13 09:18:32 <solix> http://www.lingoes.net/en/dictionary/dict_update.php?page=1&order=1
Dec 13 09:18:40 <solix> maybe in here..
Dec 13 09:19:14 <hotdp> ahh
Dec 13 09:19:23 <solix> program (free & buy) is here for those.. *shrug. http://www.lingoes.net/en/translator/download.htm
Dec 13 09:19:36 <solix> if needed, or its useful.
Dec 13 09:19:51 <hotdp> the format is .ld2
Dec 13 09:20:07 <solix> yikes, -10degress F right now...
Dec 13 09:20:19 <solix> convert?
Dec 13 09:20:44 <hotdp> dammit, it does not have a danish/denmark
Dec 13 09:21:16 <solix> http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_do_you_convert_ld2_file_extension
Dec 13 09:21:20 <solix> oh, ouch..
Dec 13 09:22:05 <solix> disreparg last link, empty.
Dec 13 09:22:47 <hotdp> denmark must not be that importent to the world :P
Dec 13 09:23:10 * hotdp has hes app working now, will be good for globalization around the world :p
Dec 13 09:24:28 <solix> http://www.freelang.net/dictionary/danish.php
Dec 13 09:24:39 <solix> windows prg, but has danish free dict download..
Dec 13 09:24:52 <solix> http://www.freelang.net/download/stats/dictionary/danish.php
Dec 13 09:26:17 <solix> im sure theres an easy way to export the list.. from *some prg, or try a university/website, ie; harvard, princetoin, etc
Dec 13 09:26:59 <hotdp> thanks! i am looking
Dec 13 09:27:27 <hotdp> what easy way? :d
Dec 13 09:27:49 <solix> http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:Danish_Swadesh_list
Dec 13 09:27:52 <solix> manually.. ? ;)
Dec 13 09:28:02 <hotdp> Searching for: æ (8019 results)
Dec 13 09:28:13 <solix> bwhaha.. ouch.. try that last link
Dec 13 09:29:01 <hotdp> 8019 is good :D
Dec 13 09:29:07 <hotdp> I just need the results
Dec 13 09:29:26 <hotdp> the last link is just some words?
Dec 13 09:29:31 <hotdp> the other one is better
Dec 13 09:30:07 <hotdp> lol
Dec 13 09:30:15 <hotdp> the application does not work "string not found"
Dec 13 09:30:38 <solix> using win? or wine?
Dec 13 09:30:41 <hotdp> win
Dec 13 09:30:48 <hotdp> its a WB file i se
Dec 13 09:30:48 <solix> grrmp
Dec 13 09:31:06 <hotdp> Danish_English.wb
Dec 13 09:31:18 <hotdp> Do you know that format?
Dec 13 09:31:26 <solix> not yet..
Dec 13 09:32:12 <solix> http://www.computerfileextensions.com/file-extensions.php/WB
Dec 13 09:32:54 <solix> WB files have at least 3 way(s) to be opened. The WB programs which open WB files include: Fifa2000 Be File, Freelang Dictionary Database, VLBI and Tied Array WesterBork Station Tasking Document
Dec 13 09:33:27 <hotdp> hmm
Dec 13 09:34:13 <solix> http://www.freelang.net/dictionary/index.php
Dec 13 09:34:14 <hotdp> there must be a tool that the freelang people have used for creating
Dec 13 09:35:50 <solix> try dling and running these? from the same freelance place.. might work?
Dec 13 09:35:50 <solix> http://www.freelang.net/dictionary/swedish.php
Dec 13 09:35:55 <solix> http://www.freelang.net/dictionary/danish.php
Dec 13 09:36:13 <solix> im gonna see if wine will run that other one real wuick
Dec 13 09:36:36 <hotdp> I have the files
Dec 13 09:36:54 <hotdp> So i just need somthing to open the files so i can export the words
Dec 13 09:38:13 <hotdp> lol
Dec 13 09:38:17 <hotdp> i can open it in notepad :)
Dec 13 09:38:29 <hotdp> but its not so easy to read
Dec 13 09:38:42 <solix> great..
Dec 13 09:38:59 <solix> that freelance prg worked, had to install the main setup file as well.. looking for an export
Dec 13 09:39:38 <hotdp> cool :d
Dec 13 09:39:48 <hotdp> if you can give me all danish words it would be GREAT
Dec 13 09:41:40 <solix> hmm.. i might be able to print the list to a >file.. but it might not be words that your looking for.. hang on.
Dec 13 09:42:52 <hotdp> hmm.. if it has all danish words i can filter out the one i need?
Dec 13 09:42:57 <hotdp> if it is completE=+¨
Dec 13 09:46:12 <solix> right..ugh just crashed my wine.. just install this http://www.freelang.net/download/stats/dictionary/dictionary_setup.php
Dec 13 09:46:21 <solix> and that "no string" error wont be there,
Dec 13 09:46:57 <solix> htas there 'main' program i guess..
Dec 13 09:48:18 <hotdp> i got it started now
Dec 13 09:48:27 <hotdp> but how can you export anything?
Dec 13 09:49:57 <solix> http://tug.ctan.org/tex-archive/systems/win32/winedt/dict/dk.txt
Dec 13 09:50:10 <solix> can you download that from IE?  right-click save target..?
Dec 13 09:50:18 <solix> might be what you need
Dec 13 09:50:30 <solix> i looked for export, just print, and it crashes my Wine..
Dec 13 09:50:43 <solix> searching for txt might be best route..
Dec 13 09:50:55 <solix> http://www.winedt.org/Dict/
Dec 13 09:52:10 <solix> another possibility.. http://www.net-comber.com/wordurls.html
Dec 13 09:52:29 <hotdp> hmm
Dec 13 09:53:01 <hotdp> the dk.txt is "empty" and old
Dec 13 09:54:07 <hotdp> the freelang looks the best but is it crappy to open .wb
Dec 13 09:54:21 <solix> found one..
Dec 13 09:54:24 <solix> text too
Dec 13 09:54:37 <solix> 1 sec... looks complete
Dec 13 09:54:58 <hotdp> uhh :D
Dec 13 09:55:51 <solix> wheres a host, or msg me your email and i'll send it to you..
Dec 13 09:56:40 <solix> http://tug.ctan.org/tex-archive/systems/win32/winedt/dict/dk.zip
Dec 13 09:56:48 <solix> heh, just download this, and open it
Dec 13 09:56:55 <hotdp> pm
Dec 13 09:56:59 <hotdp> ok
Dec 13 09:57:32 <hotdp> open with?
Dec 13 10:03:16 <hotdp> welcome solix9
Dec 13 10:03:44 <solix9> grmp.  I prolly shouldn't have tried to cop/paste that list in the email, system is haulting now.. haha
Dec 13 10:04:07 <solix9> did you dl it? or I can send it attached, once system frees up. lmk
Dec 13 10:04:31 <hotdp> I have the .dic file
Dec 13 10:04:39 <hotdp> but it is very messy in notepad
Dec 13 10:04:54 <hotdp> Can you save all the Danish words in a txt file?
Dec 13 10:05:07 <solix9> try wordpad
Dec 13 10:05:15 <solix9> and use wrap
Dec 13 10:05:19 <solix9> yes
Dec 13 10:05:41 <solix9> I did, system down, lemmie reboot, brb, and will send it to you..
Dec 13 10:06:04 <solix9> lot of words... hehe
Dec 13 10:06:45 <hotdp> LOTS OF WORDS!
Dec 13 10:07:02 <solix9> that's one thing I love about runnin linux box.. 30second reboots... :)
Dec 13 10:07:15 <solix9> if that
Dec 13 10:07:16 <hotdp> :)
Dec 13 10:07:38 <solix9> 1 sec..
Dec 13 10:08:08 <hotdp> m8 i think i got it!
Dec 13 10:08:20 <hotdp> i just opend in wordpad and saved as txt
Dec 13 10:09:30 <solix9> yea that what I did, just sent..
Dec 13 10:09:48 <solix9> hope that works for ya
Dec 13 10:10:43 <solix> re
Dec 13 10:10:48 <hotdp> solix9: you are the man!
Dec 13 10:10:53 <hotdp> thanks ALOT
Dec 13 10:10:54 <solix> woot woot.. hehe
Dec 13 10:10:58 <solix> sure.. :)
Dec 13 10:11:05 <solix> i like a good challenge.. ;)
Dec 13 10:11:28 <hotdp> ps. got your email to :)
Dec 13 10:11:30 <solix> btw, ALOT is two words... ;) looll.. you'll find THAT in the dictionary.. :)
Dec 13 10:11:50 <solix> ok, so you have a backup now too.. hehe
Dec 13 10:12:13 <hotdp> Now i have to import the words in a DB so i can start working on it
Dec 13 10:12:26 <hotdp> filtering and changing
Dec 13 10:12:37 <solix> cool.. .. but i dunno how fun.. :) hehe
Dec 13 10:13:24 <solix> how many lines(words) were there? like 5300?
Dec 13 10:14:59 <solix> coffee break.. bbl
Dec 13 10:16:12 <solix> back to getting meta-doctor goin.. :)
Dec 13 10:16:33 <hotdp> :)
Dec 13 10:19:38 <solix> lmk how it goes, whas the app for anyways?
Dec 13 10:21:24 <hotdp> So in Denmark we have æøå
Dec 13 10:21:38 <hotdp> I can find the symbols but its very slow to write
Dec 13 10:22:00 <solix> remapp a keboard?
Dec 13 10:22:00 <hotdp> But in Denmark ae = æ
Dec 13 10:22:08 <solix> oh. i see
Dec 13 10:22:21 <hotdp> So i replace maelk = mælk
Dec 13 10:22:25 <hotdp> (milk)
Dec 13 10:22:47 <solix> nice
Dec 13 10:22:48 <hotdp> other countrys with speciel letters will use this app also
Dec 13 10:23:04 <solix> umlets.. my last name had one of those ove rthe O
Dec 13 10:23:21 <hotdp> ö ?
Dec 13 10:23:24 <solix> yup
Dec 13 10:23:27 <solix> german
Dec 13 10:23:39 <solix> dutch
Dec 13 10:23:43 <hotdp> i know :D but germans can use the orange button
Dec 13 10:23:49 <solix> hahahaa
Dec 13 10:23:55 <hotdp> because Palm supports that country
Dec 13 10:23:57 <solix> the "orange button"..
Dec 13 10:24:04 <hotdp> "grey now"
Dec 13 10:24:07 <solix> yeah.. we have a gray one here.
Dec 13 10:24:10 <solix> yeah
Dec 13 10:24:13 <hotdp> me to ;)
Dec 13 10:24:20 <solix> heh
Dec 13 10:24:34 <hotdp> but Ben  C has said that they will not support other countries any time soon
Dec 13 10:24:38 <hotdp> so had to do this
Dec 13 10:24:48 <solix> should be appreciated, im sure..
Dec 13 10:25:45 <hotdp> yer
Dec 13 10:25:45 <solix> lmk when you have it available, i do a lot of website work for my family tree and come across a lot of textual differences.. :)
Dec 13 10:25:55 <hotdp> hehe i will
Dec 13 10:26:05 <solix> k cool
Dec 13 10:40:04 <solix> wow.. my make meta-doctor finally worked, i think i was short some libraries.. that is an *awesome* 'patch'........  :)))
Dec 13 10:40:39 <solix> was just going to use it for crating a reliable backup of the pp+, but has soooo many other options, :)
Dec 13 10:40:53 <hotdp> solix i have to import 97.000 words :p
Dec 13 10:40:58 <solix> that preutility backup... uarrrg..
Dec 13 10:41:03 <solix> wholy cow!
Dec 13 10:41:10 <solix> that was in that list??
Dec 13 10:41:19 <hotdp> words with æøå
Dec 13 10:41:24 <solix> youch
Dec 13 10:41:26 <solix> hahaha
Dec 13 10:41:46 <solix> hmm.. next, you wil be looking for an automated script to do that, eh? ;)
Dec 13 10:41:58 * solix hides away.. heh
Dec 13 10:42:03 <hotdp> does what?
Dec 13 10:42:14 <solix> imports.. 97j words
Dec 13 10:42:17 <solix> k
Dec 13 10:42:33 <solix> 97 thousand, or 97?
Dec 13 10:43:40 <hotdp> i have that :D
Dec 13 10:43:59 <hotdp> its an app that takes a json feed
Dec 13 10:44:18 <hotdp> lets see how the performance is :D
Dec 13 10:44:48 <solix> oh cool
Dec 13 10:45:02 <solix> 97 thousand, or 97? though? :)
Dec 13 10:45:10 <hotdp> 97.000
Dec 13 10:45:15 <solix> dang
Dec 13 10:45:30 <hotdp> yer the file is to big, for std. web.config
Dec 13 10:45:43 <solix> looks like a period, not a comma. :)
Dec 13 10:45:51 <hotdp> hehe
Dec 13 10:47:13 <solix> lol.. i have nooo need to doctor mypre, but now i *want to cause of this meta-doctor.. hehe
Dec 13 10:47:27 <hotdp> :)
Dec 13 10:47:31 <solix> i must wait.. must... have reason... ;)
Dec 13 10:48:05 <solix> its a beautiful thing, open source. :)
Dec 13 10:56:18 <solix> hotdp: so how long you been making apps?  and are what are you using?
Dec 13 10:56:35 <hotdp> hmm i think a year for WebOS
Dec 13 10:56:46 <hotdp> nah, more like 8 month
Dec 13 10:57:09 <hotdp> using? for creation or?
Dec 13 10:58:21 <solix> creation?  the online one? Aeros? or something?
Dec 13 10:58:40 <solix> Ares
Dec 13 10:59:05 <solix> ive just began in webos, ive done html some java the last 8 years, but not webos
Dec 13 10:59:14 <hotdp> I started using Ares
Dec 13 10:59:22 <hotdp> But endeed up hating it SO much
Dec 13 10:59:25 <solix> yeah, i hear its sort of limited..
Dec 13 10:59:32 <solix> oh. what you recommend starting with?
Dec 13 10:59:43 <hotdp> I was frustrated about the bugs and lag of support
Dec 13 10:59:45 <solix> if/when you have the time..
Dec 13 10:59:50 <solix> ah yeah
Dec 13 11:00:09 <hotdp> I do .Net at work and ASP.Net
Dec 13 11:00:12 <solix> Eclipse.. is one way isnt it?  or part thereof..
Dec 13 11:00:32 <hotdp> I use Eclipse because i started with it and knew it from my Java days
Dec 13 11:00:33 <solix> ah, windows.. :|   hehe can do that, just dont prefer to.. :)
Dec 13 11:00:39 <solix> right
Dec 13 11:00:41 <hotdp> But i will not say its create :S
Dec 13 11:00:47 <solix> heh
Dec 13 11:00:56 <hotdp> great*
Dec 13 11:01:16 <hotdp> But i get my apps out the door ;)
Dec 13 11:01:23 <solix> i just hate starting something, then finding its the worst way to learn it.. hehe
Dec 13 11:01:28 <solix> i hear ya.. :)
Dec 13 11:01:35 <hotdp> yer then don't do Ares ;P
Dec 13 11:01:41 <solix> haha.. ok
Dec 13 11:02:01 <hotdp> But we have to see about the new framwork
Dec 13 11:02:06 <solix> Ares looks really... um, demoish.. anyways. :)
Dec 13 11:02:12 <solix> yeah.. that too.. 2.0
Dec 13 11:03:37 <hotdp> bbl
Dec 13 11:03:51 <solix> looks like getting the emulator/dev package on linux is a long haul, but doable..
Dec 13 11:03:53 <solix> ok, l8r
Dec 13 11:04:06 <solix> i have it on my pc box, but loath using the pc
Dec 13 11:04:16 <solix> cept for that.
Dec 13 12:25:50 <sol9> !help
Dec 13 12:42:47 <torchie> :o
Dec 13 12:44:21 <solix> o:?
Dec 13 12:48:00 <torchie> D:
Dec 13 13:23:50 <solix> ugh.  my desktop wouldnt boot(uduntu/gdm), come to find out i had 0 bytes available on my disk.. moved them all and wahla. :)
Dec 13 13:54:06 <raghuk> hi guys
Dec 13 13:54:52 <raghuk> anyone known why the app scroll drags when i load 10-15 images on a scene?
Dec 13 14:13:16 <hotdp> raghuk: do you mean "laggy" ?
Dec 13 14:31:48 <raghuk> hotpd: yes
Dec 13 14:32:35 <raghuk> hotpd: in my app i'm trying to load 100 of images ... but with 10 -15 images the scene is laggy when scrolling
Dec 13 14:32:49 <raghuk> hotpd: any solution for this?
Dec 13 14:36:20 <Deihmos> I wonder what happened to palm pre 2 on verizon wireless
Dec 13 14:41:10 <torchie> droid
Dec 13 14:45:39 <Deihmos> I wonder if they decided to cancel
Dec 13 14:58:20 <bhodder> Morning all
Dec 13 14:59:08 <hotdp> Deihmos:  how large are the images?
Dec 13 14:59:16 <hotdp> bhodder:  morning
Dec 13 15:21:02 <bhodder> anything new?
Dec 13 15:22:48 <hotdp> not what i now of
Dec 13 15:23:36 <torchie> !
Dec 13 16:00:06 <bhodder> hotdp: have you been able to accept calander event invites on your pre or webOS device?
Dec 13 16:06:10 <solix9> -12Fo,Deg. brrr
Dec 13 16:16:23 <iraebrasil> hi there! any of you guys use the "host mode" to debug apps? i'm having problems with it
Dec 13 16:17:02 <iraebrasil> some apps works ok, some others the browser just hangs waiting something and the app don't even launch
Dec 13 16:17:19 <iraebrasil> is that a known problem? =)
Dec 13 16:25:04 <hotdp> bhodder: yes many time
Dec 13 16:25:19 <hotdp> nearly everydayy
Dec 13 16:27:27 <bhodder> If i try to accept a clender event invite it always fails, says it cannot oppen invite from email
Dec 13 16:28:38 <sugardave> morning
Dec 13 16:28:52 <sugardave> iraebrasil: yes, some activities cause emulator host mode to fail
Dec 13 16:28:59 <sugardave> usually using webviews won't work
Dec 13 16:29:07 <sugardave> sometimes Ajax doesn't work right
Dec 13 16:29:26 <bhodder> morning surgardave
Dec 13 16:29:37 <bhodder> I also cant seem to send invites from my pre
Dec 13 16:30:14 <iraebrasil> I am not using any webviews, but ajax, yes
Dec 13 16:30:36 <iraebrasil> sugardave: any workarounds?
Dec 13 16:31:15 <sugardave> iraebrasil: not really...I found that if I have all my ajax stuff in the scene as opposed to the stage/app controller or external .js files, I can get it to mostly work
Dec 13 16:31:18 <hotdp> morning sugardave
Dec 13 16:31:30 <hotdp> bhodder: donno have never had problems
Dec 13 16:32:10 <bhodder> how are you suppose to send an invite to a person from your calander event
Dec 13 16:33:40 <iraebrasil> my app have only one ajax call and it's on the scene assistant =( I think i'll have to mock this ajax to speedum html/css dev
Dec 13 16:39:51 <bhodder> Once I create an event in my calander on my pre I do not see anyway to invite participants
Dec 13 16:40:57 <sugardave> iraebrasil: you can do the "poor man's" css dev...start putting borders around some things ;)
Dec 13 16:41:08 <halfhalo> hah
Dec 13 16:41:35 <sugardave> I've had to do it completely that way before
Dec 13 16:41:36 <sugardave> sucks
Dec 13 16:41:38 <sugardave> but works
Dec 13 16:42:02 <iraebrasil> sugardave: hahaha, that's right, the problem is that reinstalling and relaunching the app is quite slow
Dec 13 16:42:26 <sugardave> I feel your pain
Dec 13 16:43:46 <iraebrasil> I've not tried ares yet, is it the same process? or ares has a better workflow?
Dec 13 16:43:58 <sugardave> ares...right...
Dec 13 16:44:31 <sugardave> well, it's a little bit different, but from what I hear it will give you a better look into the DOM...you might be able to use the standalon debugger
Dec 13 16:45:18 <sugardave> Ares helpfully hides all the widget setup stuff from you, I personally don't like it very much, but will have to get over it when Enyo comes, I guess
Dec 13 16:46:10 <iraebrasil> the ares startup alone scares me. i don't like java applets a lot ;)
Dec 13 16:46:59 <iraebrasil> the Palm Inspector gave me some help already, but somethings are just missing. Like, nothing can be copyed or pasted from clipboard.
Dec 13 16:47:12 <iraebrasil> it't kind of a deal breaker for me
Dec 13 16:47:32 <sugardave> iraebrasil: ah, at least Inspector works for you
Dec 13 16:47:47 <iraebrasil> yep =)
Dec 13 16:49:08 <iraebrasil> but the problem is, everytime i reinstall/relaunch the app with palm-launch -i the inspector looses the connection to the host app. it would be great it it reconnected itself.
Dec 13 16:53:53 <solix> using the 'backup target' config, increasing the EXT3 and VAR,.. is there any further info required/available to use it to back your pre up?  or link?  THANKS!
Dec 13 16:54:28 <solix> er, from
Dec 13 16:54:31 <solix> meta-doctor
Dec 13 17:17:03 <hotdp> sugardave:  you there?
Dec 13 17:23:17 <maik> damn mobilism restored from an earlier backup and the emergency lights request is gone
Dec 13 17:23:22 <hotdp> Is there someone  who now if there is some limitations in the DB that webos? specially the one used for text assist?
Dec 13 17:23:34 <halfhalo> maik: hahaha
Dec 13 17:23:35 <maik> i don't think i'm going to just up and post a release, might arise too much suspicion
Dec 13 17:26:26 <hotdp> Os there some Palm ingeneers here`?
Dec 13 17:27:54 <hotdp> I can only add 889 words to text assist :(
Dec 13 17:32:27 <hotdp> is https://developer.palm.com/ down`?
Dec 13 17:41:50 <destinal> chuqui: you around?  it looks like HP's automated systems messed up my dev pre2 order, didn't ship it, and the order # provided doesn't work on the phone number the HP customer service people keep trying to transfer me to and there's no humans
Dec 13 17:42:16 <chuqui> destinal: send an email to pdc, and we'll have someone on this end look into it.
Dec 13 17:42:36 <destinal> chuqui: cool, thanks
Dec 13 17:43:09 <chuqui> hotdp:  working for me.
Dec 13 17:46:46 <deliciousmorsel> destinal: same thing happened to me
Dec 13 17:46:51 <deliciousmorsel> but i called them and they fixed it quickly
Dec 13 17:46:57 <deliciousmorsel> and i got it overnighted for free
Dec 13 17:47:27 <deliciousmorsel> (had to ask for the free fedex overnight though)
Dec 13 17:56:09 <destinal> chuqui: AHA.  The main customer support # kept transferring me to the wrong team.   +1.866.625.0759 was the right one and was able to figure it out.
Dec 13 17:56:14 <destinal> chuqui: phew.  thanks anyway.
Dec 13 17:56:32 <chuqui> destinal: great! glad you got it worked out.
Dec 13 17:57:34 <sugardave> hotdp: what's up?
Dec 13 17:58:14 <hotdp> chuqui: i send you an email
Dec 13 17:58:48 <hotdp> sugardave: i just wonder is you could see the size of json (count) ?
Dec 13 17:59:14 <sugardave> like just the number of items, not the size f the data?
Dec 13 17:59:25 <hotdp> number of items
Dec 13 17:59:37 <chuqui> k
Dec 13 17:59:46 <sugardave> I think you can only do that if you are using numeric peroperty "indexes", but I'm not sure about that
Dec 13 17:59:58 <hotdp>  https://developer.palm.com/ works again....
Dec 13 18:00:14 <sugardave> I"m thinking there is a count or length method for obejcts, though
Dec 13 18:00:33 <hotdp> aha
Dec 13 18:02:18 * hotdp cryes if he can not add more words then ~900 to the text assist
Dec 13 18:02:37 <sugardave> well, no builtin property for length or count :s
Dec 13 18:02:44 <hotdp> damn,
Dec 13 18:16:24 <haeffb_pre> chuqui: I have purchased the T2i
Dec 13 18:16:49 <haeffb_pre> did you recommend the Tamron 28-300 ?
Dec 13 18:18:43 <chuqui> haeffb_pre: congrats!
Dec 13 18:19:01 <chuqui> haeffb_pre: the tamron is okay. it's not what I'd recommend these days.
Dec 13 18:19:18 <chuqui> 28mm on a crop sensor isn't wide enough for a good street lens.
Dec 13 18:21:11 <halfhalo> fancy shmancy camera
Dec 13 18:21:14 <chuqui> haeffb_pre: if you want something with a lot of zoom, the sigma 18-250 is a better lens, but I'm moving away from the megazooms.
Dec 13 18:21:34 * halfhalo is content with his el cheapo pentax
Dec 13 18:21:36 <haeffb_pre> I got the kit lens & the 55-250 combo
Dec 13 18:21:50 <maik> i just bought my wife a K-x
Dec 13 18:21:50 <chuqui> the 18-200 is a better lens than the tamron, but I just picked up the 18-125 for lauroe's new camera for christmas.
Dec 13 18:21:54 <maik> or rather, got it cor christmas
Dec 13 18:22:02 <maik> for*
Dec 13 18:22:02 <haeffb_pre> but may send the 55-250 with the old rebel XT
Dec 13 18:22:27 <chuqui> sigma 18-125 DC OS would be what I'd look at first.
Dec 13 18:23:21 <halfhalo> how is the t2i in lowlight?
Dec 13 18:24:59 <chuqui> I've heard it's okay. the newer bodies are definitely better about low light noise than the older ones.
Dec 13 18:25:52 <halfhalo> low light is one of the main reasons I went with the K-x over a d3000 or t1i
Dec 13 18:27:14 <halfhalo> It handled E3 with ease, and the use of AA is suprisingly nice since I can swap out on the fly
Dec 13 18:35:23 <iraebrasil> hi, i need some help again. I've logged in on the emulator via ssh, and i'm editing my apps stylesheet using vi. but it doesn't seem to refresh my styles. any command to flush the cache or something? =)
Dec 13 18:36:02 <haeffb_pre> I do have the Canon 28-135 IS and like it a lot
Dec 13 18:37:06 <haeffb_pre> so the 18-125 would be wider and not sacrifice much
Dec 13 18:37:51 <halfhalo> I think I have an 18-55 and a 50-250 right now, and I would love an 18-100 just for that little extra
Dec 13 18:57:15 <halfhalo> god, I love my work
Dec 13 18:57:50 <halfhalo> I just got an email with the crap I'm supposed to do this week (which I'm not) and one of them is to go to work on friday for TRON
Dec 13 19:00:50 <destinal> go to work for TRON?
Dec 13 19:02:37 <halfhalo> no, just go to work, then leave work to see tron
Dec 13 20:07:18 <MetaView> hi
Dec 13 20:07:33 <MetaView> bhodder: there is no way to send invites from the calendar
Dec 13 20:08:03 <MetaView> in 1.4.5 it's not even possible to add attentdees to an event in a way the bg service would save it
Dec 13 20:09:48 <MetaView> chuqui: did you guys changed something in the app submission process?
Dec 13 20:10:36 <MetaView> submitted 2 apps yesterday (PDK): one update and one new and both stil in state submitted
Dec 13 20:10:52 <MetaView> and I got a notice the release of the beta update will take 24 hours
Dec 13 20:10:58 <MetaView> was 2 hours before, or?
Dec 13 20:13:19 <bhodder> Thanks MetaView, that is what I thought but was hoping otherwise
Dec 13 21:02:17 <MetaView> hi
Dec 13 21:04:36 <MetaView> chuqui: are you around?
Dec 13 21:04:46 <chuqui> MetaView:  um. maybe?
Dec 13 21:05:05 <MetaView> got my question, some 10 minutes ago?
Dec 13 21:05:33 <MetaView> Basically: Should I be concerned if the state of my submission stays in Submitted?
Dec 13 21:06:05 <MetaView> Is it something special if the Update of a Beta app takes 24 hours to be publisheD?
Dec 13 21:12:24 <MetaView> hm, where is the mojo plugin of komodo installed?
Dec 13 21:12:33 <MetaView> s/of/for
Dec 13 21:15:55 <dawm> MetaView, you drag the xpi file into komodo
Dec 13 21:19:12 <MetaView> dawm: ok, but where is it? I would like to add an option to the palm-package.bat script :)
Dec 13 21:19:31 <dawm> oh you mean where it is physically
Dec 13 21:19:33 <MetaView> well, I could alter the batch file, hm
Dec 13 21:19:37 <MetaView> yes
Dec 13 21:19:40 <chuqui> MetaView: maybe. yshoot an email to pdc, so we cna pass it along.
Dec 13 21:19:52 <MetaView> chuqui: ok
Dec 13 21:20:02 <MetaView> is not the usual thing, or?
Dec 13 21:27:51 <dawm> MetaView, i found it
Dec 13 21:27:55 <dawm> im on win7 tho
Dec 13 21:29:10 <Tibfib> are there any pngs of the semi-transparent circle background in app icons?
Dec 13 21:29:36 <MetaView> dawn: where?
Dec 13 21:29:41 <MetaView> dawm
Dec 13 21:30:13 <MetaView> Tibfib: yes, in webosinternals?
Dec 13 21:30:25 <Tibfib> oh really, lemme see
Dec 13 21:30:30 <dawm> C:\Users\dawm\AppData\Roaming\ActiveState\KomodoIDE\5.2\host-dawm-PC\XRE\extensions\webos@templarian.com
Dec 13 21:30:39 <dawm> obviously remove my personal data ;p
Dec 13 21:31:37 <MetaView> dawm: right, there it is :) thx
Dec 13 21:31:38 <Tibfib> MetaView: sweet found it. thanks!
Dec 13 21:31:57 <dawm> yerp
Dec 13 21:33:14 <CTLAdvance> Adora Ping!
Dec 13 21:35:44 <MetaView> the palm-package is inside the webos.jar
Dec 13 21:35:50 <MetaView> webos.js
Dec 13 21:45:04 <MetaView> chuqui: the apps are released/went to "Ready for Review", thx :)
Dec 13 21:45:42 <chuqui> k
Dec 13 21:45:45 <chuqui> good!
Dec 13 21:45:58 <MetaView> yes, thank you :)
Dec 13 21:55:49 <MetaView> good night
Dec 13 22:09:51 <Tibfib> arg I hate making icons
Dec 13 22:14:25 <dawm> lol
Dec 13 22:18:56 <bmidgley> anyone notice sencha touch doesn't recognize webos as a mobile device
Dec 13 22:19:05 <bmidgley> would be an easy change
Dec 13 22:25:17 <Tibfib> would anyone help me out with my/an icon?
Dec 13 22:37:47 <takeadare> Bit of a n00b with webOs, but has anyone played around with altering the system font? You can easily find the files in Internals.... Renaming a font and overwriting the Prelude fonts a BAD idea?
Dec 13 22:40:10 <mbarvian> takeadare: I'd say
Dec 13 22:40:29 <mbarvian> takeadare: might break some stuff
Dec 13 22:40:43 <takeadare> That's what I figured, has anyone borked their phone trying it though?
Dec 13 22:42:36 <dawm|laptop> you can always try it out
Dec 13 22:42:43 <dawm|laptop> worst thing its gonna do is make things unreadable
Dec 13 22:43:16 <dawm|laptop> just backup the original font and replace it with a different (easiest way would be to rename them and restart)
Dec 13 22:43:31 <takeadare> Can't find anything online, I may be taking a trip to the Dr. here soon...
Dec 13 22:50:57 <solix> .\
Dec 13 22:53:15 <dawm|laptop> takeadare: just ssh in to the device and swap files
Dec 13 22:53:53 <takeadare> Yep. Finishing up another project and then I'll try it out.
Dec 13 22:53:59 <dawm|laptop> if you have the SDK installed and grabbed nova-term, just use nova-browser to upload the new font, and ssh into the device and swap
Dec 13 22:54:04 <dawm|laptop> or better yet, try it on the emulator first
Dec 13 22:54:26 <takeadare> I've never tried the emulator... Probably would be safer.
Dec 13 22:57:18 <dawm|laptop> man.. i cannot wait till tomorrow night.. tivo goes fully functional.. no more ffwd.. 30sec skip here i come
Dec 13 22:57:26 <dawm|laptop> i hate my cable dvr
Dec 13 23:01:47 <dawm|laptop> i wish my car had a touchstone for fuel :P drive up park, fuels itself and drive off
Dec 13 23:02:02 <CTLAdvance> that would be bad
Dec 13 23:02:20 <CTLAdvance> it wouldnt work on E, and it would keep dinging saying it had fuel
Dec 13 23:02:49 <dawm|laptop> lol
Dec 13 23:06:44 <dawm|laptop> uh oh..
Dec 13 23:07:03 <dawm|laptop> 2 ex's that have never met, just met thru a facebook wall post, and their already not getting along
Dec 13 23:07:07 <dawm|laptop> this should be interesting
Dec 13 23:10:01 <dawm|laptop> thanks chuqui
Dec 13 23:17:15 <dawm|laptop> chuqui:  I sent a reply with hopefully my last issue
Dec 13 23:18:13 <chuqui> k
Dec 13 23:18:22 <chuqui> I'm headed off to a meeting. will look when I have a minute.
Dec 13 23:32:20 <dawm|laptop> oh man this is getting good
Dec 13 23:37:51 <rwhitby> quick question for the mojo gurus: how do I turn a simple List into a two-column List (e.g. instead of 7 full-width horizontal tappable rectangles, I get 14 half-width tappable rectangles, two per row?
Dec 13 23:39:10 <halfhalo> apart from having two divs? I dunno
Dec 13 23:40:16 <sugardave> rwhitby: I'd use divs, but I'd have 14 of them
Dec 13 23:40:19 <rwhitby> http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/impostah.git;a=blob;f=app/views/main/main-scene.html has the x-mojo-element="List" call
Dec 13 23:40:32 <rwhitby> http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/impostah.git;a=blob;f=app/views/main/rowTemplate.html is the row template
Dec 13 23:40:52 <rwhitby> I want each row to have two independent tappable areas
Dec 13 23:41:05 <rwhitby> each of which is exactly half the width of the screen
Dec 13 23:41:17 <sugardave> oh, easy
Dec 13 23:41:22 <sugardave> flex box
Dec 13 23:41:45 <sugardave> horizontal flex box on the row with two divs and it will auto-size to 50% width
Dec 13 23:41:47 <rwhitby> remember you're talking to a mojo and css newbie here :)
Dec 13 23:41:51 <sugardave> sure
Dec 13 23:41:53 <sugardave> give me a sec
Dec 13 23:42:08 <sugardave> need to move upstairs and get some power
Dec 13 23:43:46 <SineOt> For your container DIV, you'll want display: -webkit-box
Dec 13 23:43:53 <SineOt> and for side by side, -webkit-box-orient: horizontal;
Dec 13 23:44:20 <SineOt> that should put the two child DIVs within it to space themselves out, taking 50% of the available width
Dec 13 23:44:44 <SineOt> and should also mean that they scale properly regardless of if the device is portrait or landscape (I think, haven't actually tried that yet)
Dec 13 23:47:04 <SineOt> Of course, rwhitby, depending on the CSS newbie-ness that might not make a lick of sense as it stands :]
Dec 13 23:47:29 <rwhitby> the last 5 lines when straight over my head
Dec 13 23:47:31 <sugardave> rwhitby: that should be a simple example: http://webos.pastebin.com/hesEp93g
Dec 13 23:48:15 <rwhitby> oh, from each of the two things that I tap, I need to get a value, so I know what scene to push
Dec 13 23:48:32 <sugardave> ah, right, so you'd want a name attribute in there
Dec 13 23:48:45 <rwhitby> line 55 of http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/impostah.git;a=blob;f=app/assistants/main-assistant.js
Dec 13 23:48:50 <sugardave> also, the way it is set, the whole row will get highlighted
Dec 13 23:48:55 <sugardave> when tapped
Dec 13 23:49:17 <rwhitby> nope, only want half the row to highlight
Dec 13 23:49:30 <rwhitby> needs to act like two independent buttons on the same row
Dec 13 23:49:41 <SineOt> why not just set up two palm list widgets within the container?
Dec 13 23:50:00 <SineOt> they'd function like a regular, full width list, wouldn't they?
Dec 13 23:50:03 <rwhitby> SineOt: hmm - half width each?
Dec 13 23:50:24 <SineOt> well, yes-function like a full width list, just be stuck in a half width "container"
Dec 13 23:50:35 <rwhitby> then I just have a this.mainModelLeft and this.mainModelRight and they can share the tap handerl
Dec 13 23:50:50 <halfhalo> each list would be independent though, wouldn't they?
Dec 13 23:51:01 <rwhitby> that's fine
Dec 13 23:51:17 <SineOt> they would be
Dec 13 23:51:25 <halfhalo> I mean scroll independently
Dec 13 23:51:32 <SineOt> oh, hm
Dec 13 23:51:43 <SineOt> do lists use their own scroller?
Dec 13 23:51:52 * SineOt hasn't played with lists much yet
Dec 13 23:52:12 <rwhitby> the whole screen scrolls, not the list
Dec 13 23:52:27 <rwhitby> e.g. the Preware header on the main scene scrolls off the top
Dec 13 23:52:48 <SineOt> you could, in that case, just set up your own custom scroller to contain the two lists, or just use the stock scene scroller
Dec 13 23:52:52 <sugardave> rwhitby: something like this might work: http://webos.pastebin.com/u8XdCL1m
Dec 13 23:52:52 <SineOt> I don't see why that wouldn't work
Dec 13 23:52:53 <rwhitby> ok, so in http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/impostah.git;a=blob;f=app/views/main/main-scene.html how do I create two lists next to each other
Dec 13 23:53:11 * SineOt is going to be hopefully building a sweet app with tons of lists and sweet horizontal scrollers!
Dec 13 23:54:21 <sugardave> and then you just need to get the name element from the event item when they tap the row
Dec 13 23:54:29 <sugardave> but 2 lists is more complex ;)
Dec 13 23:55:21 <rwhitby> sugardave: but the name element has to be part of the upper-level List choices
Dec 13 23:56:03 <sugardave> it is, isn't it?
Dec 13 23:56:22 <sugardave> Permission Exploration
Dec 13 23:56:28 <sugardave> = name of list choice?
Dec 13 23:56:36 <rwhitby> yes
Dec 13 23:57:00 <sugardave> so each row will have it, that's where you do the substitution in the html
Dec 13 23:57:20 <sugardave> but the event item .currentTarget or something will be the actual tapped element
Dec 13 23:57:41 <sugardave> not the whole row, so you can save event.currentTarget.name === 'name' or 'scene' and know which one they tapped
Dec 13 23:58:53 <sugardave> rwhitby: if it's not event.currentTarget it's something very similar to that and I can set up a test for this real quick
Dec 13 23:59:46 <rwhitby> I think the two list path is going to be the less complex choice
Dec 14 00:05:48 <rwhitby> so, how do I get those two lists to be side-by-side?
Dec 14 00:06:31 * rwhitby wonders about div and span and how that might help
Dec 14 00:06:42 * rwhitby looks up what div and span actually mean
Dec 14 00:14:01 <sugardave> rwhitby: yeah, I have it where the two side-by-side will indicate independently, but it would need some more CSS work to make it look nice, and you can tell what element was tapped with event.originalEvent.srcElement
Dec 14 00:14:24 <sugardave> for two lists I would make two half-width scrollers
Dec 14 00:14:31 <sugardave> and you can float one left and one right
Dec 14 00:14:51 <sugardave> and then the lists will fill up those
Dec 14 00:45:51 <SineOt> Adora: I want your Pixi with the orange keys XD
Dec 14 01:08:29 <rwhitby> SineOt: sugardave: oil did it with 6 lines of CSS and no change to the code: http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/impostah.git;a=commitdiff;h=636252dfec2814685eb34f65cb191268380fb999
Dec 14 01:08:48 <oil> xD
Dec 14 01:09:22 <SineOt> flexboxes save you from having to deal with floats XP
Dec 14 01:09:40 * halfhalo gives oil a fake cookie
Dec 14 01:10:58 <oil> by "deal" you mean "just make work"?
Dec 14 01:12:25 <SineOt> pretty much.
Dec 14 01:12:40 <SineOt> they also finally make it easy to vertically center content with one line
Dec 14 01:12:43 <oil> cause that was pretty simple without any fancy flexbox junk :)
Dec 14 01:13:16 <SineOt> eh, all you need for a flexbox is display: -webkit-box and to say how it packs :p
Dec 14 01:13:19 <SineOt> hardly fancy
Dec 14 01:13:25 <oil> one line center? width: fixedpx; margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;
Dec 14 01:13:31 * oil can make all css one line xD
Dec 14 01:13:47 <SineOt> oil: now vertically center it!
Dec 14 01:14:00 <oil> line-height: fixedpx; vertical-align: middle;
Dec 14 01:14:05 <SineOt> without a fixed width
Dec 14 01:14:11 <oil> lol
Dec 14 01:14:40 <oil> note: people have been making css work with hacks before flexbox
Dec 14 01:14:53 <oil> haha
Dec 14 01:15:15 <SineOt> well yeah, of course they have
Dec 14 01:15:24 <SineOt> but now I can just let the browser do all the work for me
Dec 14 01:15:37 <SineOt> and on webOS, where there's only one version to target, why deal with hacks? :p
Dec 14 01:26:35 <oil> SineOt: float: left; in this instance really isn't a hack
Dec 14 01:26:44 <oil> its exactly whats needed to make it work
Dec 14 01:27:34 <SineOt> well, no, it's not
Dec 14 01:27:47 <SineOt> but vertically center/not fixed width stuff, flexbox is the way to go
Dec 14 01:30:27 <oil> oh, spdsktr joins, then JayCanuck
Dec 14 01:30:31 * oil wonders whats goin on
Dec 14 01:30:37 <JayCanuck> lol
Dec 14 01:30:41 <halfhalo> its the apocolypse!
Dec 14 01:30:46 <spdsktr> lol
Dec 14 01:30:58 <JayCanuck> just poppin in
Dec 14 01:31:45 <spdsktr> just got the updated emu, so figured I would see what you guys were up to
Dec 14 01:33:33 <Tibfib> howdy spdsktr, JayCanuck
Dec 14 01:33:52 <spdsktr> tibfib: sup?
Dec 14 01:34:24 <Tibfib> just saying hi ;P
Dec 14 01:34:25 <JayCanuck> any palm guys on? I got a question only they'd probably be able to answer, heh
Dec 14 01:35:34 * halfhalo doubts it
Dec 14 01:35:38 * oil only sees Adora 
Dec 14 01:35:49 <Adora> what did I do now?
Dec 14 01:36:01 <halfhalo> forgot to send me free phones
Dec 14 01:36:16 <Adora> ahh shoot, I'll have to get to that tomorrow
Dec 14 01:36:24 <halfhalo> you better!
Dec 14 01:36:33 <oil> yeah, posting that picture
Dec 14 01:36:37 <JayCanuck> adora, just sent ya a msg
Dec 14 01:36:37 <oil> "oh, look at my problem"
Dec 14 01:36:48 <oil> everyone else is like "ohh, wish i had THAT problem!"
Dec 14 01:37:20 <Adora> it's actually a real pain in the bumps, dude
Dec 14 01:37:25 <Adora> TSA -hates- me
Dec 14 01:37:28 <oil> haha
Dec 14 01:37:36 <halfhalo> you could send them to me!
Dec 14 01:37:38 <oil> i have too many to keep on all the time now
Dec 14 01:37:52 <oil> been thinking of making a bank of touchstones on my desk
Dec 14 01:37:56 <spdsktr> the real question is, do you actually use all 21 of them in a single day?
Dec 14 01:38:15 <Adora> oil:  highly recommended
Dec 14 01:38:41 <oil> too bad it means i need a whole power strip just for the wallwarts
Dec 14 01:38:45 <Adora> I had to give some touchstones away and am down to four, plus one dangling usb and a standalone battery charger
Dec 14 01:38:57 <halfhalo> awww, why?
Dec 14 01:38:59 <oil> Adora: get palm working on a charging mat
Dec 14 01:39:08 * Adora gets palm working on a charging mat
Dec 14 01:39:09 <oil> so i can charge multiple phones at once!
Dec 14 01:39:10 <spdsktr> 21 phones for multi-tasking + webOS multi-tasking = 2 more levels before inception
Dec 14 01:39:20 <oil> haha
Dec 14 01:39:21 * halfhalo would take a pixi off Adora's hands
Dec 14 01:40:32 * SineOt has dibs on that one with the orange keys!
Dec 14 01:41:05 <SineOt> Adora: can you confirm or deny that the orange keyed Pixi on your desk is or is not the same device as this? http://images.techtree.com/ttimages/story/106732_pixigsm.JPG aka "that old fail Pixi"
Dec 14 01:43:04 <solix> can anyone point me in/off an brief explanation on 'how' rwhitby's "backup target" patch for meta-doctor is instructed to create/restore from its backup?  is it via the linux command line? or is there an Icon, or other means?   anks in advance if you have a minute.
Dec 14 01:44:01 <solix> just curious before a slap in on. :)
Dec 14 01:44:29 <rwhitby> solix: "make memload-wr backup" is how I usually use it
Dec 14 01:45:01 <solix> oic, so it is shell driven, command line?  :)
Dec 14 01:45:24 <solix> rather from the users end i mean.. no icons, built in automatic stuff..
Dec 14 01:46:15 <solix> i can see from the makefile what commands would complete a task, but wanted a headsup so i know where to look for more.. :)  thanks :)
Dec 14 01:48:08 <solix> hey torchie how ya doin?
Dec 14 01:49:01 <JenP> hi all
Dec 14 01:49:13 <solix> Hi Jen
Dec 14 01:49:30 <JenP> hiya
Dec 14 01:49:47 <solix> how you doing? :)
Dec 14 01:50:00 <JenP> good. you?
Dec 14 01:50:58 <solix> good, just getting reaquainted with some shell commands, reading through make files.. :)  its been a while, but its coming back.. ;)
Dec 14 01:51:55 <JenP> cool
Dec 14 01:52:35 <solix> what are you up to?
Dec 14 01:53:07 <ozetadev> %$&@:::@&$%
Dec 14 01:54:08 <solix> ٩(• ̮̮̃•̃)۶
Dec 14 01:54:26 <ozetadev> whoops. don't know what that was.
Dec 14 01:54:56 <solix> ascii art.. ;)
Dec 14 02:15:40 <dawm|laptop> hrm
Dec 14 02:15:50 <dawm|laptop> i wonder if we can read into this
Dec 14 02:15:51 <dawm|laptop> http://twitter.com/rahulsood/status/14502734120099840
Dec 14 02:16:15 <SineOt> dawm|laptop, you're silly! You can read into anything
Dec 14 02:17:25 <SineOt> Didn't he leave HP?
Dec 14 02:17:46 <Tibfib> I bet he was mad at HP for not doing it.
Dec 14 02:18:11 <SineOt> I think it's more that he loves Tmo since they bent over backwards to keep him as a customer
Dec 14 02:18:28 * Tibfib didn't know that
Dec 14 02:22:38 <rwhitby> does anyone know if DanPLC has a Pre 2 or not?
Dec 14 02:22:56 <Tibfib> he went to dev day, so I think so
Dec 14 02:23:12 <rwhitby> yeah, that's what I thought.
Dec 14 02:23:24 <rwhitby> "Thanks to the awesome folks at WebOS Internals we’ll have a developer Palm Pre 2 to give to the winner of the Best Homebrew Developer of 2010 award (assuming that he/she doesn’t already have one)."
Dec 14 02:23:35 <rwhitby> every one of the nominees already has one
Dec 14 02:23:52 * Tibfib wouldn't mind one
Dec 14 02:23:54 <Tibfib> :)
Dec 14 02:24:03 <Tibfib> rwhitby: pick a different category?
Dec 14 02:24:26 <JenP> who were the nominees?
Dec 14 02:27:31 <oil> DanPLC
Dec 14 02:27:31 <oil> Jason Robitaille
Dec 14 02:27:31 <oil> Sconix
Dec 14 02:27:31 <oil> uNiXpSyChO
Dec 14 02:27:32 <oil> WebOS Internals
Dec 14 02:27:56 <rwhitby> the last three are all in WebOS Internals :)
Dec 14 02:28:12 <rwhitby> (and got Pre 2's, as did Jason and DanPLC)
Dec 14 02:28:33 <rwhitby> JenP: http://www.precentral.net/vote-precentralnet-best-2010-awards
Dec 14 02:28:53 <JenP> cool
Dec 14 02:29:45 <spdsktr> it's almost unfair to add webOS Internals to the votes, even though I would vote for them over myself :P
Dec 14 02:29:56 <halfhalo> lol
Dec 14 02:31:04 * oil should be more of a credit whore
Dec 14 02:31:10 <oil> xD
Dec 14 02:31:12 <JenP> lol
Dec 14 02:31:20 * halfhalo thinks oil should get him a pre2
Dec 14 02:34:47 <rwhitby> oil: yeah, this is one time when the "WebOS Internals" group title doesn't help the individuals :)
Dec 14 02:35:16 <halfhalo> but if they win, you could always send it to meeeeee! :D
Dec 14 02:35:32 <oil> but sconix and unixpsycho are both listed seperately, and they're in wi :)
Dec 14 02:35:54 <oil> lol
Dec 14 02:36:06 <rwhitby> yeah, but they are far more charismatic than you or I ;)
Dec 14 02:36:33 <oil> lol
Dec 14 02:36:52 <oil> well the post where i returned someones donation because they were a jerk was deleted!
Dec 14 02:37:03 <halfhalo> awww
Dec 14 02:37:22 <Tibfib> haha
Dec 14 02:37:51 <spdsktr> what will suck is if Rovio usurps the title from WOI
Dec 14 02:38:27 <rwhitby> oh, for best developer
Dec 14 02:38:43 <spdsktr> yeah
Dec 14 02:38:51 * oil doesn't expect to win anything
Dec 14 02:38:52 <rwhitby> I voted for some James Harris guy in that category
Dec 14 02:39:10 <oil> low expectations = no disappointment :)
Dec 14 02:39:11 <spdsktr> I voted for WOI on categories they wer enot even nominated for
Dec 14 02:39:21 * oil voted for flashcards in education
Dec 14 02:39:27 <oil> i didn't vote in most of them though
Dec 14 02:39:46 <spdsktr> some James guy thanks rwhitby and oil
Dec 14 02:39:52 <oil> lol
Dec 14 02:39:59 <spdsktr> now, if only I had put FMR back for this lil shindig...
Dec 14 02:40:14 <SineOt> hah
Dec 14 02:43:31 <SineOt> Yay, working index markers! http://ruddersquish.com/screenshots/BoxeeRemoteNav.png
Dec 14 02:43:42 <SineOt> also, oil: tons of CSS flexboxes, lol
Dec 14 02:43:53 <Tibfib> SineOt: pretty app
Dec 14 02:43:55 * oil would have done it with a <table
Dec 14 02:44:01 <oil> :)
Dec 14 02:44:03 * SineOt weeps
Dec 14 02:44:08 <oil> lol
Dec 14 02:44:25 * SineOt laughs though
Dec 14 02:44:37 <SineOt> it'd be worse to do it with DIVs, but using the display: table; CSS
Dec 14 02:46:50 <SineOt> It's dumb that there's no "snap finished" event on scrollers though
Dec 14 02:49:11 <SineOt> http://ruddersquish.com/screenshots/BoxeeRemotePlay.png this is the playback controls page... I'm torn on if it's "too confusing"
Dec 14 02:50:15 <oil> didn't like my kb/settings icon suggestions?
Dec 14 02:50:44 <SineOt> oil: no, just haven't had the time to fire up Photoshop and make them :]
Dec 14 02:52:08 * SineOt has been reading legal dockets and other really dry scholarly articles on the LD-50 for various drugs..! Or at least supposed to be doing that.
Dec 14 02:52:50 <oil> doing what you're supposed to be doing is overrated :)
Dec 14 02:53:24 <SineOt> s'why I'm here :]
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