**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Dec 14 02:59:57 2010 Dec 14 03:03:06 "Gawker uses a really outdated hashing algorithm known as DES (Data Encryption Standard). Because DES has a maximum of 8chars using a password like "abcdefgh1234" only the first 8 characters "abcdefgh" are encrypted and stored in the database. If your password is longer than 8 characters you only need to enter the first 8 characters to log in!" lol Dec 14 03:32:31 SineOt: DES is an encryption algorithm, not a hashing algorithm Dec 14 03:33:02 and it can be cracked really easily Dec 14 03:33:08 destinal: the more I know! I just think this whole thing is hilarious Dec 14 03:33:21 because I've thought Gawker was terrible for a long time and this kind of only proves it :p Dec 14 03:34:54 just finished a marathon of "Walking Dead" season 1 Dec 14 03:35:12 * haeffb_ wasting time watching TV instead of developing for webOS Dec 14 03:39:56 * haeffb_ wonders if there's a precentral category for "Best TV Watcher of 2010" Dec 14 03:40:44 * oil voes haeffb_! Dec 14 03:41:07 however, dont spoil ep 6 of walking dead for me, haven't watched it yet Dec 14 03:41:08 I was thinking, maybe a "Best Beta Tester" Dec 14 03:41:17 give them a Pre 2 Dec 14 03:41:31 oil: I haven't watched 4,5, or 6 I think, but it's an awesome show Dec 14 03:41:39 yeah Dec 14 03:41:45 * oil is sad there is only 6 eps in the first season Dec 14 03:41:52 * haeffb_ watched all 6 over the last two nights Dec 14 03:42:03 so, at the end of ep 6... Dec 14 03:42:15 ...I couldn't believe they... Dec 14 03:42:22 * oil has ep6 sitting in his feed reader along with many other shows he has downloaded but not watched yet Dec 14 03:42:27 * oil would SO KILL haeffb_ ! Dec 14 03:43:37 shelly couldn't stand all the "squishy noises" Dec 14 03:43:58 like when they run a pickaxe thru a zombie's head Dec 14 03:52:01 * SineOt needs to watch more... Pokemon. :I Dec 14 03:52:16 can I have you pokemans? Dec 14 04:01:04 yes Dec 14 04:01:09 if you don't mind the japanese :I Dec 14 04:04:28 *sigh -- finally putting this beta to rest Dec 14 04:04:43 spdsktr: what beta? Dec 14 04:04:57 SineOt: the TripIt client Dec 14 04:23:04 when you build the meta-doctor, the finished product/build is located in the 'build' directory, correct? Dec 14 04:24:35 correct Dec 14 04:25:22 spdsktr: did you sort out the land before you leave scenario? Dec 14 04:25:45 * halfhalo has meta doctored versions for way to many targets Dec 14 04:26:09 I doubt you can rival my build directory Dec 14 04:26:40 wierd then possibly, i cannot tell that it is anything diff.. usbnet enabled, was not enabled, preware is not installed, etc.. hmmm... but it completed a clean doctored 1.4.5 ... i used the one from the build directory.. hmmp Dec 14 04:26:44 Yeah, but I don't have one of like each device to build for either! Dec 14 04:27:01 * halfhalo has builds for att pre plus, sprint pixi, sprint pre, and vze plus Dec 14 04:29:09 solix: pastebin the diff of your modified Makefile Dec 14 04:29:45 1sec.. Dec 14 04:33:49 http://pastebin.com/8V43hKsT Dec 14 04:34:12 * halfhalo can't read his monitor anymore Dec 14 04:36:23 its wierd tho, i think?, that i would get a oem type doctored after.. and not a messed up phone that needs to be redoctored.. :? Dec 14 04:36:50 or something of an error at least.. but im no pro at makefiles.. ;) Dec 14 04:37:19 hey dawm, njoying your tivo> :) Dec 14 04:37:53 my bladder needs to chatter, brb Dec 14 04:38:31 seriously, you would think that downscaling from 2048x1152 to 1080p would be fine, but its still just a tad blurry making it hard to read Dec 14 04:41:33 the cust. makefile pretty much had everything it could, that i could use enabled, aside form the bypass activation. and anything noted, or unknown to me. Dec 14 05:02:16 good grief. Dec 14 05:03:34 ping Dec 14 05:04:59 pong Dec 14 05:05:16 got half of us back.. heh Dec 14 05:09:54 rwhitby: did you get a chance to take a look at that, http://pastebin.com/8V43hKsT Dec 14 05:10:12 not in any hurry, dont know if i got it out.. Dec 14 05:10:27 thanks. Dec 14 05:11:00 brb Dec 14 05:16:05 solix: change the lines in the first section, not in the section for my use only Dec 14 05:16:17 there are clear delimiters around the section you should change Dec 14 05:16:35 ## START OF AREA FOR END USER CHANGES ## Dec 14 05:16:41 ## END OF AREA FOR END USER CHANGES ## Dec 14 05:16:48 I'm not sure how I can make it clearer than that ... Dec 14 05:17:23 big bold red letters would help Dec 14 05:17:25 yes i saw those, i'll take another look at it.. dont know what/why i wouldnt have stayed within there.. Dec 14 05:17:32 no. i saw those. Dec 14 05:18:28 oh.! misinterpreted... "MY AREA" Dec 14 05:22:22 solix: fixed: http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=tools/meta-doctor.git;a=commitdiff;h=c25b21fa4897c1ced37072d9531ce3da39fa084e Dec 14 05:22:44 hah Dec 14 05:23:05 ruhoh.. lol :) Dec 14 05:28:00 didnt mean to pi** anyone off there.. just a misunderstanding.. on my part. thanks for you help Dec 14 05:34:38 solix: no-one's upset :) Dec 14 05:35:56 ok. :) its a bad habit of mine, i tend to look to deep, or not see the simple.. you made it too easy.. ;) heh reeading it, its a no brainer. just a frame of mind i was in i guess. :/ thanks for all your help Dec 14 05:37:04 call it 'old school' i guess. :) Dec 14 05:41:42 Wow, Adora seems to be on around the clock lately 0-0 Dec 14 05:41:50 Evening everyone Dec 14 06:30:14 SineOt's secret tip for "rock star graphics:" 50% neutral gray, add noise, layer mode set to overlay. BOOM INSTANT ROCKSTAR GRAPHICS Dec 14 06:30:26 (plus it also breaks up gradients that may otherwise display color banding) Dec 14 06:36:08 hell yeah. Dec 14 07:21:24 Hm. WARNING: modelChanged() found no watchers. Did you call it with the ORIGINAL model object, and not a replacement? Dec 14 07:21:39 What does this mean? That I should be calling it with something else? :s Dec 14 08:29:25 Good morning Dec 14 08:48:27 hi Dec 14 09:12:43 rwhitby are you here? Dec 14 11:05:08 morning Dec 14 12:51:04 hotdp: yes Dec 14 12:51:10 hi Dec 14 12:51:26 I don't know if you know, but i found a limitation in Shortcuts Dec 14 12:51:44 I can only submit ~900 words and i get a "error" Dec 14 12:52:09 Ben C is notifyed, but do you have a guess on why it fails to add more? DB limitations? Dec 14 12:52:31 hotdp: no idea, have you looked in the application json ? Dec 14 12:53:32 whats about the JSON? The phone will not accept more, if i add more i just get the "error word allready exist" and that is not true Dec 14 12:53:47 its just like something limits the "system" Dec 14 13:21:15 Like a full DB or something in the code Dec 14 13:21:24 sorry, application javascript Dec 14 13:22:04 I don't understand? Dec 14 13:22:56 check the application source javascript to see if the limitation is in there Dec 14 13:23:49 There is none. Dec 14 13:24:00 (no limits) Dec 14 13:24:26 The emulator can freeze after the 900 shortcuts Dec 14 13:24:40 and then after reset i can just not add more Dec 14 13:25:59 hmm Dec 14 13:26:22 It only looks at the count to see if there has been a update Dec 14 13:26:41 i think :) Dec 14 13:28:08 I belive there is some system errors before it chrashes Dec 14 13:51:14 Did Verizon cancel the pre 2 Dec 14 13:52:06 did they ever announce it? Dec 14 13:52:34 no US carrier has a pre2 yet Dec 14 13:55:15 It was in their playbook. Every phon that in there got released tough Dec 14 13:56:08 I think palm made a bad move by making another pre thoug Dec 14 13:56:54 you don't like the form factor ? Dec 14 13:59:57 Not anymore and the pre has such a bad rep Dec 14 14:00:36 eh - i think they'll be making that form factor for a long time .. they just need to increase the build quality Dec 14 14:00:51 the form factor is not bad at all Dec 14 14:04:02 I prefer the Pre form factor to any larger screen phone Dec 14 14:04:11 Sticking with the same form means they don't want to increase thr presence. The screen is small Dec 14 14:05:03 Since I now have a larger screen I can't even look at the pre anymore. Feels like a toy Dec 14 14:05:42 so why are you here? Dec 14 14:07:43 rwhitby makes a good point - it's also interesting, Deihmos, that you think maintaining a form factor for new releases means they don't want to increase their presence .. i think MWC will have a lot of big news regarding webOS Dec 14 14:08:22 the Pre 2 is not a new release anyway, it's a refresh model only. new release are not until 2011 Dec 14 14:08:46 Because I switched doesn't mean I am not interested in wha is happening with webos Dec 14 14:09:31 such a positive interest too ... Dec 14 14:09:50 I'm sure most peopl here don't even use a pre as their main phone anymore Dec 14 14:10:28 now it's clear you're just trolling. Dec 14 14:10:32 :( i still use my pre as my main device Dec 14 14:14:24 How is that trolling Dec 14 14:15:57 eh, it doesn't really matter .. we've all got our opinions Dec 14 14:16:28 yeah, trolling is when a personal opinion is presented as all-encompassing fact Dec 14 14:17:44 amazingly enough, rwhitby not only uses a pre as his main phone - but in a country that doesn't even sell them .. that's got to count for something, right ? Dec 14 14:18:26 * hotdp uses Pre everyday and is main phone and thinks Deihmos is a troll, go back in you cave Dec 14 14:18:34 heh Dec 14 14:18:37 bpadalino: nope, individual opinions count for little in market success. similarly for opinions from anyone who frequents technical forums such as IRC channels or PreCentral Dec 14 14:18:46 I dropped the pre in October. Had it since launch day in June. If sprint didn't have yearly upgrades I would still be using it. Dec 14 14:18:54 it's the other 98% of the users of the device that decide it's future Dec 14 14:20:18 similarly, the current owners of webOS device don't really count either. it's the people who are going to buy the HP phones next year that will determine the success or not of webOS Dec 14 14:21:38 the success or the Pre/+/2 or Pixi/+ is of no relevance Dec 14 14:23:39 * hotdp knows people who have not had the Pre but bought the Pre 2 Dec 14 14:25:55 Deihmos: So you have a new phone, with big Display so you diss the Pre. But you are still here because? I don't understand? You must think HW > OS but then i still don't understand? Dec 14 14:27:05 How did I did the pre? I am more interested in the software because the hardware sucked. I had so many problems. Dec 14 14:27:27 hotdp: indeed, there will be many people for whom the Pre 2 is their first webOS device Dec 14 14:27:55 as for the devices next year Dec 14 14:28:39 "[15:03:53s] Since I now have a larger screen I can't even look at the pre anymore. Feels like a toy" Dec 14 14:29:29 Deihmos: its only like 20 mins ago? Dec 14 14:29:45 You call that a dis? They need phones wig larger screens to satisfy a broader customer base. Not everyone wants a phone with a tiny display and cramped keyboard Dec 14 14:30:39 * rwhitby bbt - this discussion is going nowhere Dec 14 14:30:39 Yes i call it dis " I can't even look at the pre anymore. Feels like a toy" Dec 14 14:31:33 * hotdp likes to fight trolls Dec 14 14:33:26 * rwhitby sleeps instead Dec 14 14:33:34 Good night Dec 14 14:52:18 hi Dec 14 15:02:42 hi MetaView Dec 14 15:03:28 hi hotdp Dec 14 15:03:38 greetings to the north Dec 14 15:04:21 :) Dec 14 16:23:35 arg, why have I not won the lottery yet?! Life is so unfair Dec 14 16:25:29 the world hates you Dec 14 16:25:56 yeah, well ftw, then Dec 14 16:26:04 bitches Dec 14 16:47:15 yay, got my dev phone:D Dec 14 16:48:12 nice Dec 14 16:48:19 I'm stuck at the "Enter Phone Settings" screen though :\ Dec 14 16:52:12 it's weird, it doesn't want to be turned off either Dec 14 17:12:01 * DougReeder waves hello Dec 14 17:13:23 If I'm writing a type-specific method to generate JSON for an object, should I call it "toJSON" or something else? Dec 14 17:16:30 call it jellyBeans Dec 14 17:23:20 I confess, I never quite grokked what the change to JSON was in 1.4. A toJSON method should return, not a string, but an object, which JSON.stringify then converts to a string? Dec 14 17:23:54 http://www.humblebundle.com/ Dec 14 17:24:12 ive only really used Object.toJSON(obj) Dec 14 17:24:27 which is a string Dec 14 17:24:57 ideally JSONtoObject(string) should return an object Dec 14 17:25:03 but i dont think that exists Dec 14 17:25:29 since isnt JSON a string anyways Dec 14 17:25:46 no Dec 14 17:25:49 JSON is an object Dec 14 17:26:12 DougReeder: thats what it does Dec 14 17:26:15 I always used Object.toJSON in my code, and i didn't need to change anything in 1.4. Dec 14 17:26:52 So, the standard follows Crockford, rather than Prototype? Dec 14 17:28:50 well if JSON is an object, why doe toJSON turn an object into a string? wouldnt it just return the same object? Dec 14 17:31:15 toJSON is 'stringify' Dec 14 17:31:40 stupid Dec 14 17:31:53 * halfhalo might have flipped em since he has custom tojson and stringify functions he uses Dec 14 17:32:18 you evalJSON (Prototyp, I think) to take the string and get the object Dec 14 17:32:37 otherwise evil(string) to get it Dec 14 17:32:44 ugh thie Machinarium wont download Dec 14 17:35:20 I recall something in an early release 1.4 got reversed or changed later. The notes for 1.4.0-420 say that you should use Crockford-style toJSON rather than Prototype-style toJSON methods. Is that what prevails? Dec 14 17:38:05 oh THAT thinger... that was due to a messed up v8 thing that caused the prototype way to be slow Dec 14 17:39:19 DougReeder: what are you wanting to do? Make an object and then override .toJSON? Dec 14 17:39:59 I need to define a custom toJSON method for a type of mine, and I need to know if it should return a string or an object. Dec 14 17:40:02 because then you're using prototype style anyway, myNewObject.toJSON() as opposed to Object.toJSON(myNewObject) Dec 14 17:40:08 string Dec 14 17:41:04 Well ECMAscript JSON.stringify also looks for .toJSON methods -- that was the heart of the conflict, IIRC Dec 14 17:42:01 it should still work, though, if stringify calls your .toJSON instead Dec 14 17:43:39 I'm concerned about the problem referenced here: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/710586/json-stringify-bizarreness Dec 14 17:46:49 DougReeder: hmmm, sounds like you might need to do something like the second answer Dec 14 17:48:13 My testing appears to show that the builtins work like the standard (Crockford), not Prototype. Dec 14 17:48:53 So, thanks for the help! Dec 14 17:49:46 heh, sure Dec 14 18:09:58 uh oh Dec 14 18:10:02 rahul is mad Dec 14 18:10:12 http://twitter.com/#!/rahulsood/status/14742487868375040 Dec 14 18:10:22 rahul who? Dec 14 18:10:30 xD Dec 14 18:10:33 ex hp guy Dec 14 18:10:53 IT WAS A JOKE HALFHALO Dec 14 18:11:03 I CANNOT READ WHO SENDS MESSAGES!!!! Dec 14 18:11:32 lol Dec 14 18:11:36 stupid monitor with non default res Dec 14 18:25:57 Hello to everyboy here ... :-) Dec 14 18:26:07 hello Dec 14 18:26:10 hi Dec 14 18:26:36 wow ... great to see this irc thing for webos development .. :-) Dec 14 18:26:41 * DougReeder waves to fefefefe Dec 14 18:27:34 so this is the best place for talking about webos development ?! Dec 14 18:28:08 yes, I think so Dec 14 18:28:40 If you're a hard-core kernel hacker, you might try #webos-internals, also. Dec 14 18:28:50 HARDCORE!!!! Dec 14 18:28:57 realy cool... I'm a beginner in webos programming but I realy like it Dec 14 18:28:58 EXTREME! Dec 14 18:29:09 EXTREME HARDCORE!!!! Dec 14 18:29:22 I've got a friend who bought a Pre because he liked the processor -- I'm trying to get him to check out webos-internals. Dec 14 18:29:31 fefefefe: yeah, it is awesome Dec 14 18:30:28 currently I still try to set up an ide properly ... got stick to eclipse since I know it already Dec 14 18:31:15 but javascript is kind of strange if you're used to java ... you do things you'd never would try in java ;-) Dec 14 18:31:17 fefefefe Can you tell me how to configure Subversion with Eclipse? I could never get that to work. Dec 14 18:31:50 fefefefe: some folks might tell you to take a look at Ares, since Mojo will be replaced with Enyo next year...and Ares and Enyo will likely be the optimum dev environment Dec 14 18:31:59 it pains me to say that, seeing as how I can't stand Ares :P Dec 14 18:32:00 Subversion? all you need is either the subclipse or subversion plugin for eclipse Dec 14 18:32:13 and of course a proper installed svn Dec 14 18:32:45 couldn't get that to work. I forget the errors, this was last year, I think. Dec 14 18:33:03 * DougReeder grins. "I have Learned Helplessness" Dec 14 18:33:11 hey you guys currently I dont have much time to spend here right now, just wanted to see if this place exists .. Dec 14 18:33:25 we'll be here Dec 14 18:33:46 what I most miss is this like code completion or refactoring and all that stuff. ... Dec 14 18:33:53 yes, realy great Dec 14 18:34:26 are some of you also in palm-central forum ? Dec 14 18:34:54 I go to precentral occasionally, but usually just hang here or the palm dev forums Dec 14 18:35:13 developer.palm.com are the main developer forums Dec 14 18:36:19 ok ... but there are realy plenty of good sites .. I just discovered the mozilla dev pages .. great site .. and also javascriptkit.com ... at least for me this provides great help Dec 14 18:36:40 http://webos101.com for a wiki of interesting things Dec 14 18:37:20 Be sure to read Douglas Crockford's book if you're new to JavaScript. Dec 14 18:37:30 definitely Dec 14 18:37:37 JavaScript: The Good Parts Dec 14 18:37:51 yes I also noticed that site..... It's very much sites and technology thats new to me. But I feel like I was 16 and got my C64 :-)))) Dec 14 18:37:59 haha Dec 14 18:38:46 yes realy. On my work I do java programming ... so this world if definitve something different with many things to find out ;) Dec 14 18:39:09 lucky me, I only dev on webOS :) Dec 14 18:39:33 now if I could turn that into a goldmine app or fulltime job :P Dec 14 18:39:41 you develop really webos apps ??! wow .. this is what I plan to do sometime ;) Dec 14 18:40:03 No goldmines, just satisfaction. Dec 14 18:40:04 can you live from it ? Dec 14 18:40:20 fefefefe: yeah, but I only do SDK apps (javascript, css, html) and not PDK, because I know zero about C/C++ :D Dec 14 18:40:37 To me it's a) fun and b) cant be wrong to extend the own "horizon" ;-) Dec 14 18:40:38 DougReeder: I have plenty of that, but fefefefe hit it...can't pay the bills with satisfaction :) Dec 14 18:40:53 :-S Dec 14 18:41:45 FWIW, the future of programming appears to be something in-between "static" languages like Java and "dynamic" languages like JavaScript. Dec 14 18:41:50 SDK programming is also what I'd like to do first .. lateron MAYBE PDK .. I used to programm C in my former life ... but I never really liked it Dec 14 18:42:08 DougReeder: the hybrid age Dec 14 18:42:54 Maybe we'll all end up programming in Eiffel. Or if the CS types have their way, we'll be back to Lisp. Dec 14 18:43:28 never heard of Eiffel, and people keep telling me to check out Lisp Dec 14 18:43:30 Of course, with JavaScript, we're basically doing Lisp with syntactical sugar. :-) Dec 14 18:43:34 yeah Dec 14 18:43:42 dammit, I like my sugar! Dec 14 18:43:49 mmmm Dec 14 18:43:49 As do I! Dec 14 18:43:50 sugar Dec 14 18:43:52 * halfhalo is reading lisp stuff right now though Dec 14 18:45:06 hm.. does anyone of you use eclipse with the webos plugin and the aptana plugin ? Dec 14 18:45:14 fefefefe: yep Dec 14 18:45:24 I do, it works fine. Dec 14 18:45:32 hi Adora :D Dec 14 18:45:38 get rid o your problem yet? Dec 14 18:45:51 whats the purpose of those two plugins ? I mean the webos one provides support for creating scenes and all that stuff right ? Dec 14 18:46:20 Aptana provides syntax coloring -- very nice. Dec 14 18:46:38 and aptana? to me it looks like it provides very basic code completion ?! Dec 14 18:46:54 Eh, yeah, that's occasionally useful. Dec 14 18:47:02 * sugardave finally figured out why he keeps missing 'f's. "If I hit the key at the top left corner, it isn't registering." Dec 14 18:47:24 and, I found out that I sometimes can use "Go to Declation" after I converted my webos project into a javaScript project .. hm .. is that the proper way ? Dec 14 18:47:25 fefefefe, you should also install Miller's JavaScript Lint (not Crockford's JS Lint) as an external command in Eclipse. Dec 14 18:47:52 whats that good for ? Dec 14 18:47:55 fefefefe: I just use the Aptana/webOS perspective Dec 14 18:48:15 that's about the extent of my Eclipse knowledge Dec 14 18:48:57 JavaScript Lint catches a number of errors that syntax checkers won't find. Dec 14 18:49:26 ... like using undeclared global variables. Dec 14 18:49:35 ok, I will give it a try .. unfortunaly ... so little time for it and chrismas is also coming ;) Dec 14 18:50:24 can you rename variables ? is that possible ? Dec 14 18:50:54 I use Eclipse's global find and replace. Dec 14 18:51:07 DougReeder: omg how do you get that to work? Dec 14 18:51:17 it can never find anything in all my project files Dec 14 18:51:26 textmate ftw Dec 14 18:51:43 sugardave, have you set the File name patterns? Dec 14 18:52:06 I use File Search rather than Aptana File Search. Dec 14 18:52:23 okay, let me look at something Dec 14 18:53:02 DougReeder: okay, I must have been doing it wrong before, I got it to work :) Dec 14 18:53:14 I have the magic touch. :-) Dec 14 18:56:08 ok, ganne leave right now .. wish you a nice evening, or whatever is apropriate for your timezone ;) Dec 14 18:56:25 * DougReeder waves to fefefefe Dec 14 18:56:27 see you Dec 14 18:57:08 any comand to log or just close the tab ?! ? suppose closing this tab will do.. bye :-) Dec 14 18:59:40 So, thanks to Adora's picture, we know there are at least 21 prototypes of a device that makes the Pre and Pixi obsolete. :-) Dec 14 19:02:40 DougReeder: haha, I was thinking something similar Dec 14 19:04:08 chuqui, did you receive one of the 21 prototypes that obsoletes the Pre and Pixi? :-) Dec 14 19:04:30 if I told you, I'd have to have you killed. Dec 14 19:04:47 Ah, HA! Dec 14 19:07:24 "sources" indicate 21 webOS devices slated for release in 2011 Dec 14 19:09:00 * DougReeder grins Dec 14 19:10:43 evening all Dec 14 19:10:57 hello Dec 14 19:12:08 20 geek points to whomever writes a node.js service that automatically applies image recognition to photos posted by Adora. Dec 14 19:12:55 only 20? damn, that sounds hard Dec 14 19:13:55 Yeah, I guess there arn't many image recognition libraries written in JavaScript Dec 14 19:26:48 ...threaten to throw stuff at me when I ask, because they're really frustrated... nice working conditions ;) Dec 14 20:11:49 MetaView, isnt imageworker yours? Dec 14 20:12:23 seen the P|C app preview yet? .. ouch man Dec 14 20:12:39 "It may well be the slowest app you will ever see run on your Palm device. " Dec 14 20:19:47 isnt HSDPA+ tmobile? Dec 14 20:20:48 http://www.precentral.net/ruby-teases-lte-hsdpa-cloud-service-desktops-and-more Dec 14 20:46:29 so Dec 14 20:46:42 has anyone from the community taken a job at palm? Dec 14 20:58:31 I think the Wobble Words guy did; I forget his name. Dec 14 20:59:42 ok Dec 14 21:00:03 ruby mentioned they hired 70 ppl Dec 14 21:00:17 i was hoping some of them were "us" Dec 14 21:01:09 A number of the jobs require different skillsets, such as running servers for milions of people. Dec 14 21:01:42 hardware engineers, marketing, all that Dec 14 21:04:14 * DougReeder makes a moue. "And they already have us for beta-testting" Dec 14 21:07:39 codeslaw, are you here? Dec 14 21:13:28 DougReeder: sure, but still, there outta be a huge demand of webos coders at the mothership itself... Dec 14 21:13:57 i could be wrong though, webos is the product, they need other ppl i guess.. Dec 14 21:14:44 They need JavaScript framework coders. Lots of overlap with JavaScript app coding. I don't keep a close track on the job posting. Dec 14 21:14:54 oki Dec 14 21:21:44 DougReeder: there seem to be a lot of open manager positions...let's apply ;) Dec 14 21:22:07 Nah, I'd rather be lead engineer on an app. :-) Dec 14 21:22:58 yeah, sounds more fun Dec 14 21:23:18 see if I can dig something out for ya ;) Dec 14 21:25:57 cronix or something like that was hired Dec 14 21:26:12 creationix, AKA tim caswell Dec 14 21:26:16 that guy Dec 14 21:26:24 and matt mcnoulty (sp) Dec 14 21:26:29 mcnullty? Dec 14 21:27:25 ah, cool Dec 14 21:27:47 hmm, has anyone ordered a pre2? did you get a tracking number? Dec 14 21:27:59 internals got most of theirs already delivered Dec 14 21:28:14 rwhitby, oil: ping! Dec 14 21:28:35 mine was estimated to have been delivered either the 11th or the 13th. Dec 14 21:29:00 never got an email saying it was shipped Dec 14 21:29:52 I think I paid $.50 extra for two day shipping.. Dec 14 21:30:55 * Tibfib should request a refund. Dec 14 21:32:57 * DougReeder smiles Dec 14 21:34:12 Tibfib: HP had a problem initially, lots of people have had to call to get their order corrected. the # is in the first confirmation email you received (phone number to call and your 9 digit order #) Dec 14 21:34:26 oh come on Dec 14 21:34:35 thanks for letting me know though! Dec 14 21:34:50 you paid 50 cents and you get delivery for 50 cents :D Dec 14 21:34:52 Tibfib: happened to me too and some other -internals folks Dec 14 21:35:10 so just tell them it hasn't shipped yet? Dec 14 21:36:13 Tibfib: yeah, I checked on the web site the email provided and noticed it was still listed as ship complete: no, then called the number and gave them the order # and told them it said it wasn't shipped and they fixed it Dec 14 21:36:26 shipped it immediately Dec 14 21:36:29 alrighty, thanks! Dec 14 21:39:39 heh. this is silly hold music Dec 14 21:42:05 got it taken care of Dec 14 21:45:01 destinal: thanks again, I would have waited another week or so to call Dec 14 21:53:18 Is there any way to change the app catalog we have access to? There seems to be free apps only and very few of them in the app catalog I have access to. Dec 14 21:55:14 Spanska: unfortunately it seems that the app catalog you get depends on where you activate your phone Dec 14 21:55:35 oh.. fun Dec 14 21:56:25 after activation there doesn't seem to be any way to change it short of swapping your tokens around to those of another comm baord (which would typically be part of swapping comm boards) Dec 14 22:10:24 poor metaview Dec 14 22:13:16 what happened to MetaView? Dec 14 22:19:48 they gave a bad review Dec 14 22:19:59 p|c did Dec 14 22:20:02 "It may well be the slowest app you will ever see run on your Palm device." Dec 14 22:20:13 but i dont know if MetaView has seen it yet Dec 14 22:22:52 wow, even slower than Preware loading feeds? Dec 14 22:27:11 dawm_: did you read the second comment? Dec 14 22:27:25 yes Dec 14 22:27:39 its a bad review Dec 14 22:38:54 http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs1382.snc4/163413_479288597199_9445547199_5658562_14158417_n.jpg Dec 14 22:38:57 pretty Dec 14 22:39:35 looks like no one as friends in canada ;p Dec 14 22:41:05 or asia Dec 14 22:41:29 yeah Dec 14 22:41:47 the continents arent drawn, they are only visible due to friend connections Dec 14 22:41:57 yeah Dec 14 22:42:03 http://www.facebook.com/?ref=logo#!/note.php?note_id=469716398919&id=9445547199 Dec 14 22:44:07 the Palm Pre is amazing Dec 14 22:44:19 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8wdb52LOgA Dec 14 22:44:26 Tetris: The Animated Series Dec 14 23:10:42 dawm_: I'm surprised there is no facebook in Antartica. I presume the geolocation is not working correctly, or there is some cutoff Dec 14 23:13:37 dawm_: lisa/Adora commented on the article too Dec 14 23:14:02 yeah, I'm not too happy about that Dec 14 23:19:33 codeslaw Dec 14 23:21:30 DougReeder: Aptana has a built-in validator for javascript. Dec 14 23:22:01 * haeffb_ thinks the Lint plugins are therefore unnecessary... ? Dec 14 23:41:01 did anybody go to node.js Dec 14 23:41:02 ? Dec 15 00:11:26 yah that review is bogus Dec 15 00:12:21 cableguy was just here trying to get the tivo setup.. the cablecard is being stupid and apparently is updating itself, so no tv tonight and if it doesnt sync by tomorrow they'll have to come out again and try a different card.. sucks Dec 15 00:13:27 through Time Warner Cable? Dec 15 00:14:44 WOW! (wideopenwest) Dec 15 00:28:04 Tibfib: you pingd? Dec 15 00:31:52 hrm, Pre won't go in USB mode even with opt-sym-u.. strange Dec 15 00:37:08 Who is James Harris? Dec 15 00:37:16 Oh Dec 15 00:37:18 Flash cards Dec 15 00:37:21 tard Dec 15 00:41:03 hey, did anybody get the HP Envy 17 from Palm yet? Dec 15 01:00:35 aye Dec 15 01:05:16 kesne, I take offense to that question Dec 15 01:05:28 lol Dec 15 01:05:53 spdsktr: do you actually speed skate ? Dec 15 01:06:12 spdsktr: Are you James Harris? Dec 15 01:06:20 rwhitby: aye, the sydney tracks used to be high on my "to do before i die" list Dec 15 01:06:30 kesene: spdsktr = James harris Dec 15 01:06:36 DUNDUNDUN Dec 15 01:06:37 Gotchya Dec 15 01:06:41 kense: don't believe him Dec 15 01:07:04 hmm Dec 15 01:07:50 kesne: oil = James harris Dec 15 01:07:55 BAH Dec 15 01:08:15 no, i am spartacus! Dec 15 01:09:42 James Harris is an intangible thing which has many forms Dec 15 01:10:04 kense: kesne == kesene Dec 15 01:10:36 kesne !== kense Dec 15 01:10:52 muahaha Dec 15 01:11:05 yeah yeah... Dec 15 01:12:15 hey, webos2 = color banner icons :) Dec 15 01:12:29 ? Dec 15 01:13:18 banners? Dec 15 01:13:24 the icons are in color Dec 15 01:13:47 * halfhalo dunnos what oil is talking about Dec 15 01:14:09 banner = little notification with icon and text Dec 15 01:14:19 usually precedes a dashboard scene Dec 15 01:14:26 oh.... dur Dec 15 01:14:40