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Dec 18 03:02:50 <SineOt> NodeJS is boggling my mind :Q
Dec 18 03:11:25 <torchie> what exactly
Dec 18 03:11:25 <torchie> do
Dec 18 03:11:29 <torchie> does node.js do
Dec 18 03:11:35 <torchie> like yeah yeah evented io for javascript
Dec 18 03:13:59 <SineOt> right now, I want to be sending and listening to UDP packets
Dec 18 03:14:08 <SineOt> It basically gives you a bunch of IO stuff for Javascript
Dec 18 06:18:27 <SineOt> Yay, I have a UDP broadcast server running in NodeJS!
Dec 18 06:22:58 <SineOt> Question: I have UDP broadcast for the purposes of discovering Boxee/XMBC systems running on the network... Should I realistically assume there may be more than one on the network?
Dec 18 06:25:11 <fahhem> would a user stand to benefit from running multiple Boxee/XMBC systems on the same network?
Dec 18 06:25:49 <fahhem> it seems people only want at most one home theater system, but i don't particularly know
Dec 18 06:26:29 <halfhalo> SineOt: I would assume multiple
Dec 18 06:26:36 <halfhalo> its just easier that way int he long run
Dec 18 06:27:13 <fahhem> he should weigh the amount of extra code and complexity against the userbase gain
Dec 18 06:28:04 <fahhem> if it's likely that less than 1% of users have multiple systems, slowing down the app might not be worth it
Dec 18 06:28:47 <fahhem> unless he markets it as a system geared toward power users like that, the extra work is probably not worth it
Dec 18 06:28:48 <SineOt> it's more that right now, I can't figure out how to have the service close after X seconds
Dec 18 06:29:05 <halfhalo> settimeout
Dec 18 06:29:05 <SineOt> without somehow breaking the response system @_@
Dec 18 06:29:06 <halfhalo> :p
Dec 18 06:29:08 <fahhem> node.js doesn't have setTimeout
Dec 18 06:29:09 <SineOt> tried that
Dec 18 06:29:13 <halfhalo> yes it does
Dec 18 06:29:20 <SineOt> suddenly it won't receive any responses
Dec 18 06:29:27 <fahhem> forgot the ? at the end
Dec 18 06:30:34 <fahhem> is the response system in the app or in the service?
Dec 18 06:31:10 <SineOt> the service in the end
Dec 18 06:31:15 <SineOt> which will get called from the app
Dec 18 06:32:29 <SineOt> setTimeout(client.close(),500);
Dec 18 06:34:16 <fahhem> so are you trying to close part of the service instead of the whole thing?
Dec 18 06:34:42 <fahhem> or why would you want the response system running after closing the service?
Dec 18 06:35:40 <SineOt> my nodeJS service opens a UDP socket, sends the discovery query via broadcast (255.255.255.255, might now work on device, need to test that), then receives the response over the same socket
Dec 18 06:35:51 <SineOt> I assume it's better practice to y'know, close the socket when you're done with it
Dec 18 06:37:08 <fahhem> oh, so you're assuming the responses come back within 500ms?
Dec 18 06:37:31 <fahhem> why don't you just close the socket 500ms after the first response?
Dec 18 06:37:57 <fahhem> and a maximum of, say, 2 seconds
Dec 18 06:38:00 <SineOt> because if I do setTimeout(client.close(),500); it won't... get any responses
Dec 18 06:38:03 <SineOt> I was testing with 5000
Dec 18 06:38:41 <fahhem> well, there's your problem
Dec 18 06:38:52 <fahhem> you're actually calling 'client.close()' when you make the timeout
Dec 18 06:39:04 <fahhem> you want to do setTimeout(function(){client.close()},500)
Dec 18 06:39:55 <SineOt> ooooooh
Dec 18 06:41:38 <SineOt> yeah, that works :3
Dec 18 06:41:50 <SineOt> I guess this is what happens when you have like, <3 months JS experience!
Dec 18 06:41:56 <mugen-> sorry for the late input... but Sine, always assume multiple units
Dec 18 06:42:13 <mugen-> how's it coming along? :)
Dec 18 06:42:20 <SineOt> Yeah, you were that weird edge case I was pondering :p
Dec 18 06:42:37 <SineOt> It's goin'
Dec 18 06:42:52 <mugen-> i'm technically _not_ the poweruser
Dec 18 06:43:05 <mugen-> because at the moment ALL boxee/xbmc users are power users
Dec 18 06:43:07 <SineOt> How many of them do you have set up?
Dec 18 06:43:13 <mugen-> 6 + 1 server
Dec 18 06:43:31 <mugen-> my sister has 2
Dec 18 06:43:49 <mugen-> i just setup my uncle with a 2 system setup as well
Dec 18 06:44:09 <mugen-> seems people that get into the swing of these media systems, want them at every tv
Dec 18 06:44:22 <SineOt> heh
Dec 18 06:44:26 <SineOt> Yeah, fair enough!
Dec 18 06:44:37 <SineOt> But this UDP discovery will be a much later feature...
Dec 18 06:44:54 <mugen-> and as halo said... it'll save you headache in the long run
Dec 18 06:45:06 <mugen-> yeah? not a release feature?
Dec 18 06:45:13 <SineOt> well if I wanted to save a headache, I'd have just left it with manual IP input :]
Dec 18 06:45:24 <mugen-> true
Dec 18 06:45:55 <SineOt> it just seems like something nice + a reason to start looking into NodeJS
Dec 18 06:46:03 <mugen-> absolutely
Dec 18 06:46:08 <SineOt> and from what I can tell so far NodeJS is pretty damn awesome
Dec 18 06:46:14 <mugen-> hehe
Dec 18 06:46:15 <mugen-> yup
Dec 18 06:46:28 <torchie> ;o
Dec 18 06:46:45 <SineOt> Man, though, Boxee really needs to work on their API... Although I think it's most XBMC's fault. :p
Dec 18 06:47:00 <SineOt> It has a spot in the discovery request for the name of the application requesting control.
Dec 18 06:47:08 <SineOt> It only accepts one value: iphone_remote
Dec 18 06:47:14 <mugen-> lol
Dec 18 06:47:38 <SineOt> it's like, "what's the point"
Dec 18 06:48:09 <fahhem> contact them to let them know you're working on a webos implementation
Dec 18 06:48:09 <mugen-> it was a useless contribution from an even more useless developer ;)
Dec 18 06:48:22 <mugen-> yeah... that's a good idea
Dec 18 06:48:31 <SineOt> of course, for the secret challenge for discovery? b0xeeRem0tE!
Dec 18 06:48:33 <fahhem> they might make the change and point to your app
Dec 18 06:48:47 <fahhem> probably shouldn't post that to a publicly logged channel :P
Dec 18 06:48:57 <mugen-> lol
Dec 18 06:49:04 <SineOt> It's not really secret, it's posted on the Wiki :p
Dec 18 06:49:25 <SineOt> You're supposed to add your own "secret sauce" and then MD5 the two of them together.
Dec 18 06:49:30 <fahhem> oh ok
Dec 18 06:49:35 <mugen-> yeah
Dec 18 06:49:59 <SineOt> just seems like a pretty dumb thing to use. "Let's put it in LEET SPEAK"
Dec 18 06:50:47 <fahhem> well, it seems like it could have been any random string, so that string was probably committed to the repo around 3AM by a dev who thought he was clever
Dec 18 06:51:12 <SineOt> It's also marked as "changing soon!" and it hasn't changed in uh... Almost a year.
Dec 18 06:51:54 * SineOt is still waiting on hearing back if he can use the logo since it's technically been slightly altered
Dec 18 06:53:17 <mugen-> who altered it?
Dec 18 06:53:17 <mugen-> you?
Dec 18 06:53:28 <SineOt> yeah
Dec 18 06:53:34 <SineOt> It's a TOTALLY AMAZING ALTERATION
Dec 18 06:53:39 <mugen-> lol
Dec 18 06:53:41 <SineOt> it's set to overlay on the background :T
Dec 18 06:53:55 <mugen-> depending on how anal they are about the use of the logo...
Dec 18 06:53:58 <mugen-> dude
Dec 18 06:54:15 <mugen-> i was doing a project for CNN in atlanta at their big HQ back in 05
Dec 18 06:54:41 <mugen-> i had taken their logo and placed a slight drop shadow on it for a template we were creating for some digital signage
Dec 18 06:54:53 <mugen-> and i had a team of 6 people come down and bitch at me
Dec 18 06:54:55 <SineOt> mugen-, you want to test what I have so far in a bit after I give volume adjustment another go?
Dec 18 06:55:06 <SineOt> yeah but that's CNN :p
Dec 18 06:55:20 <mugen-> it's more of the company culture too
Dec 18 06:55:28 <mugen-> i know small time firms that are similar
Dec 18 06:55:39 <mugen-> ...and yes, i'd love to give it a try
Dec 18 06:55:43 <SineOt> Cool
Dec 18 06:56:17 <mugen-> have you tried on the pixi?
Dec 18 06:56:24 <mugen-> that's all i have with me atm
Dec 18 06:56:32 <SineOt> yup
Dec 18 06:56:34 <SineOt> works fine :3
Dec 18 06:56:36 <mugen-> my pre is in route to hp/palm for repair
Dec 18 06:56:38 <mugen-> sweet :)
Dec 18 06:56:39 <SineOt> Pixi+?
Dec 18 06:56:41 <mugen-> yea
Dec 18 06:56:50 <SineOt> you have wifi, haha :D
Dec 18 06:57:13 * ajay wonders if he's the only one with a pdk app that doesn't work properly
Dec 18 06:57:39 <fahhem> ajay: did it work before?
Dec 18 06:58:15 <ajay> fahhem: no. It's my friend's app i'm porting, and it works on (Seemingly) every other platform in the world..
Dec 18 06:59:03 <ajay> dropbear vs openssh?
Dec 18 06:59:30 <fahhem> what's the error?
Dec 18 06:59:46 <fahhem> have you narrowed it down to ssh not working or is that a guess?
Dec 18 07:00:08 <ajay> fahhem: just full of graphic artifacts. with almost every keypress more crap shows up on the screen.
Dec 18 07:00:38 <fahhem> lol, that sounds pretty messed up...
Dec 18 07:01:03 <fahhem> i have a feeling ssh isn't the problem if you don't have graphics working
Dec 18 07:01:47 <fahhem> try commenting out/disabling everything in the app that isn't necessary for graphics so you can debug that bit easier
Dec 18 07:02:24 <fahhem> it might turn out that everything works, just that the graphics system doesn't understand your calls
Dec 18 07:04:02 <torchie> rockplayer works right?
Dec 18 07:10:48 <SineOt> Ughghhhhhh, and now suddenly... My app doesn't work! :V
Dec 18 07:12:16 * SineOt head scratches.
Dec 18 07:13:08 <fahhem> did you only add/change the client.close() code?
Dec 18 07:15:24 <SineOt> This is a version without that stuff.
Dec 18 07:15:32 <SineOt> Somehow my AJAX is all failing.
Dec 18 07:16:07 <mugen-> hehe
Dec 18 07:16:14 <mugen-> what'cha add/change/remove?
Dec 18 07:16:42 <SineOt> Nothing :p
Dec 18 07:17:49 <mugen-> uh oh
Dec 18 07:18:13 <mugen-> do you have a good console/mojo info/error/log habit?
Dec 18 07:18:36 <fahhem> maybe a missing file?
Dec 18 07:19:11 <SineOt> Yeah, I'm fiddling with it now
Dec 18 07:19:56 <SineOt> Yeah, weird. AJAX isn't working!
Dec 18 07:23:30 <SineOt> Actually I think my cookies might not be working... Hrm.
Dec 18 07:26:09 <mugen-> what do you do with the cookies?
Dec 18 07:28:02 <SineOt> store the IP/port of the servers
Dec 18 07:30:42 * SineOt rolls over and dies
Dec 18 07:35:41 <SineOt> The hell is going on. :C
Dec 18 07:40:40 <SineOt> It sends all the commands when you close the app.
Dec 18 07:40:52 <SineOt> What in the world did I -do?-
Dec 18 07:41:58 <fahhem> oh, do you ever flush the udp port?
Dec 18 07:42:18 <fahhem> it might be buffering all the data until you close the port, which you used to do immediately
Dec 18 07:42:35 <SineOt> This is a version of the app that is completely separate from that
Dec 18 07:44:24 <fahhem> so is there a service or no?
Dec 18 07:46:08 <SineOt> No service
Dec 18 07:47:11 <fahhem> does it hit an infinite loop?
Dec 18 07:47:25 <fahhem> that might cause the port to not send data until it gets enough CPU cycles
Dec 18 07:49:05 <SineOt> It's just using plain Ajax.Request
Dec 18 07:49:54 <fahhem> so you run the request, then no data gets sent and your callbacks don't fire until you close the app?
Dec 18 07:50:37 <SineOt> The requests apparently don't get sent until I close the app
Dec 18 07:50:47 <SineOt> because then suddenly... TONS of activity
Dec 18 07:51:45 <SineOt> This worked fine a few days ago! I haven't done anything but play with a completely seperate NodeJS service I've been debugging on my desktop :B
Dec 18 07:52:15 <fahhem> maybe your connection is slowing things down?
Dec 18 07:52:22 <fahhem> how long do you wait before you close the app?
Dec 18 07:53:11 <SineOt> 5 minutes :T
Dec 18 07:53:14 <SineOt> then everything runs at once
Dec 18 07:54:46 <fahhem> try adding callbacks to onCreate, onUninitialized, onLoading, onLoaded, onInteractive, onComplete that log the output
Dec 18 07:54:51 <fahhem> see where it gets stuck
Dec 18 07:55:17 <fahhem> in case you want some quick reference url: http://www.weboshelp.net/getting-started-with-webos/415-webos-and-ajax-revisited
Dec 18 07:57:03 <SineOt> but what I don't get is that like, this worked fine last week when I tried it then
Dec 18 07:57:10 <SineOt> but suddenly it oesn't
Dec 18 07:57:57 <fahhem> hence the testing callbacks
Dec 18 07:58:22 <fahhem> you can put the same function for each, they only need to log "got further" or something
Dec 18 07:58:22 <SineOt> I think I'm just going to call it a night
Dec 18 07:58:44 <fahhem> alright, good luck tomorrow
Dec 18 09:36:35 <Guest64446> Hello, i have an question. Well, i remember, when i get the Palm Pre Plus in version 1.4.1 i had the choice in some properties to decide, what data connections the pre may choose, i.e. 3G or GPRS. Well, after the update to 1.4.5 i don't find this menu again.
Dec 18 09:37:30 <bams55> did someone know, what i mean and could help me out of?
Dec 18 10:04:31 <bams55> Nobody an idea?
Dec 18 10:04:51 <fahhem> sorry, got mine after 1.4.5 was already out
Dec 18 10:08:31 <fahhem> are you talking about this? http://kb.palm.com/wps/portal/kb/na/pre/p100eww/sprint/solutions/article/25627_en.html#N1036B
Dec 18 10:09:13 <fahhem> bams55?
Dec 18 10:21:37 <ajay> I too was wondering how to change data on 1.4.5
Dec 18 10:22:19 <fahhem> did you (ajay or bams55) see my link?
Dec 18 11:05:20 <ajay> fahhem: ok cool. looks like I don't have that option then.. :( (
Dec 18 11:12:31 <bams55> oh man, thanks!
Dec 18 11:13:00 <bams55> this was it! i don't know, how to thanks you
Dec 18 11:13:01 <bams55> :D
Dec 18 11:14:35 <bams55> and one question at last: Is it possible, to increase coverage of the wifi?
Dec 18 11:15:22 <fahhem> reception by the phone or coverage by the router?
Dec 18 11:15:45 <fahhem> either way, the easiest way would probably be using a (bette) antenna
Dec 18 11:15:47 <fahhem> better*
Dec 18 11:15:50 <bams55> by the palm
Dec 18 11:16:11 <fahhem> attaching an antenna to your phone is pretty messed up since it's a beautiful pre/pixi
Dec 18 11:16:17 <fahhem> at least imo
Dec 18 11:16:20 <bams55> :)
Dec 18 11:26:27 <ajay> ah man that was some crazy file moving around to allow me to install unison! eek
Dec 18 12:15:18 <ajay> ttfn folks! boy its late!
Dec 18 13:20:41 <fahhem> anyone have any luck with actually getting discount codes from pdc?
Dec 18 13:21:24 <fahhem> i emailed a while back and am 'under review' so i'm curious if they normally take weeks or i'm getting a shy 'umm, no.'
Dec 18 14:50:12 <haeffb_> woohoo. New T2i unboxed!
Dec 18 15:45:25 * phil_bw wanders by
Dec 18 15:45:44 * fahhem clotheslines phil_bw
Dec 18 15:46:14 <phil_bw> ouch...
Dec 18 15:46:36 <fahhem> bad humor, sorry
Dec 18 15:46:42 <phil_bw> been wandering by forever... first time that happened :P
Dec 18 15:47:14 * phil_bw roundhouse kicks fahhem
Dec 18 15:47:24 <phil_bw> there, we're even
Dec 18 15:48:11 <phil_bw> amazed to see anyone awake this early on a sat... must be in a dif timezone
Dec 18 15:49:01 <fahhem> pst, stayed up
Dec 18 16:25:43 <Loudergood> heh, webos wrestling federation in here
Dec 18 16:26:05 <fahhem> you want some of this?\
Dec 18 16:26:10 <fahhem> huh? do ya?
Dec 18 16:28:45 <torchie> :o
Dec 18 16:29:21 <fahhem> if you do, I accept Ajax.Requests
Dec 18 16:36:40 <Loudergood> lol
Dec 18 16:38:48 * phil_bw wanders back by, only ducking as I do this time
Dec 18 16:38:50 <phil_bw> break time
Dec 18 16:39:01 * fahhem trips phil_bw
Dec 18 16:40:01 <phil_bw> anyone working on anything fun these days?
Dec 18 16:40:45 <Loudergood> lets see...papers...portfolio...not really no.. :/
Dec 18 16:40:51 <phil_bw> sucks
Dec 18 16:40:57 <fahhem> mostly waiting on Enyo
Dec 18 16:41:14 <torchie> waiting for tonight
Dec 18 16:41:16 <torchie> oh oh
Dec 18 16:41:28 <fahhem> though i saw cappuccino running as an app so i might be able to port an existing app using that
Dec 18 16:41:28 <phil_bw> yeah I've decided not to do anything more with my regular webos apps until Enyo arrives
Dec 18 16:41:51 <phil_bw> cappuccino?
Dec 18 16:42:11 <fahhem> yeah, it's an objective-j based framework that makes web apps seem more like desktop apps
Dec 18 16:42:23 <phil_bw> interesting
Dec 18 16:42:25 <fahhem> and for some systems, able to also run as desktop apps
Dec 18 16:42:53 <fahhem> yeah, it can turn into a mac os x app and i'm seeing a Qt port too, which would make it technically cross-OS
Dec 18 16:42:55 <phil_bw> I personally switched my efforts to C++/OpenGL
Dec 18 16:43:01 <phil_bw> going to get my game on
Dec 18 16:43:15 <fahhem> PDK apps or PC?
Dec 18 16:43:21 <phil_bw> PDK
Dec 18 16:43:25 <torchie> word
Dec 18 16:43:43 <phil_bw> working on some multiplayer games my wife and I can play over wifi/internet
Dec 18 16:44:02 <fahhem> nice, multi-phone games
Dec 18 16:44:11 <phil_bw> yeah
Dec 18 16:44:21 <phil_bw> got fed up with the lack of multiplayer games
Dec 18 16:44:24 <torchie> waiting for a new phone ;-;
Dec 18 16:44:55 <torchie> preferably on
Dec 18 16:44:55 <torchie> on
Dec 18 16:44:57 <torchie> sprint
Dec 18 16:44:58 * torchie dies
Dec 18 16:45:19 <fahhem> you mean pre 2 or are you trying to buy a new one?
Dec 18 16:45:25 <phil_bw> yeah, my Sprint Pre could use an upgrade, in the mean time it gets the job done
Dec 18 16:45:41 <torchie> pre 3
Dec 18 16:46:10 <torchie> I'm on my 4th sprint pre and on this one, the speaker came blown and I'm having headset mode issues already
Dec 18 16:46:16 <torchie> $60 on craigslist though
Dec 18 16:46:33 <phil_bw> I'm on a pretty decent refurb
Dec 18 16:46:38 <fahhem> weird, i dropped (on accident) my pre 15 feet to concrete and only lost a corner
Dec 18 16:46:59 <torchie> if the next webos phone could just be rock solid
Dec 18 16:47:01 <torchie> that'd be great
Dec 18 16:47:06 <phil_bw> my previous pre had a *hard* life... got beaten so bad and kept on working
Dec 18 16:47:22 <mugen-> torchie, didn't you buy a new one like 2 weeks ago?
Dec 18 16:47:26 <phil_bw> finally the keyboard started acting up so I took it to sprint and got a refurb
Dec 18 16:47:28 <mugen-> or is that the one you're waiting on?
Dec 18 16:47:31 <torchie> mugen- yeah that's the one I have right now
Dec 18 16:47:51 <torchie> but it's a used one
Dec 18 16:47:55 <mugen-> ah
Dec 18 16:48:06 <torchie> I'm trying to stay on webos as I wait for the SUPER DEVICE
Dec 18 16:48:16 <mugen-> i hear you
Dec 18 16:48:26 <mugen-> i actually REALLY like my pixi as a daily driver
Dec 18 16:48:29 <Tibfib> pre 2 is a very good eveloper device
Dec 18 16:48:36 <Tibfib> and a good developer device too
Dec 18 16:48:36 <mugen-> it's been more reliable than my pre
Dec 18 16:48:38 <torchie> no sliders!
Dec 18 16:48:58 <fahhem> Tibfib: you got one?
Dec 18 16:49:03 <Tibfib> yeah
Dec 18 16:49:25 <fahhem> with a discount or straight up?
Dec 18 16:49:35 <fahhem> (discount from pdc)
Dec 18 16:49:37 <Tibfib> with a discount
Dec 18 16:50:02 <fahhem> cool, how long did it take for pdc to get back to you about the discount?
Dec 18 16:51:14 <mugen-> i'm still waiting, and it's been 5 weeks
Dec 18 16:51:21 <mugen-> :(
Dec 18 17:07:38 * haeffb wants pre2 on sprint
Dec 18 17:12:43 <Loudergood> and I want it on verizon
Dec 18 17:14:25 <fahhem> i'd settle for webos2.0 on the original pre
Dec 18 17:25:19 <Loudergood> man this pre backup utility takes forever
Dec 18 18:02:53 <sugardave> haeffb: you're going to be disappointed
Dec 18 18:03:15 <haeffb> by?
Dec 18 18:03:20 <haeffb> pre2 on sprint?
Dec 18 18:03:23 <sugardave> sprint, hp, or palm
Dec 18 18:03:29 <sugardave> yah
Dec 18 18:03:35 <haeffb> bitches.
Dec 18 18:03:48 <sugardave> AND hos
Dec 18 18:04:43 <sugardave> I guess I should do some honey-dos today
Dec 18 18:04:44 <sugardave> dammit
Dec 18 18:05:32 * haeffb playing with the new camera
Dec 18 18:05:37 <haeffb> dammit
Dec 18 18:07:45 <sugardave> oh?  what kind of camera?
Dec 18 18:10:09 * phil_bw wanders by
Dec 18 18:10:13 <phil_bw> lunch time :)
Dec 18 18:11:08 <haeffb> Canon T2i
Dec 18 18:12:04 <haeffb> replaces my 5-year old Rebel XT
Dec 18 18:33:19 <fahhem> btw, in case anyone cares about TV shows and Palm, one of the partners in "The Defenders" owns a Palm Pre but never makes it obvious like for other phones
Dec 18 18:48:00 <fahhem> s/like for/unlike for/
Dec 18 18:50:11 <phil_bw> never heard of it... probably on cable.  have rabbit ears hooked up to the big screen...
Dec 18 18:51:37 <fahhem> i'm an online-only guy, so i have no clue if its cable, basic, or whatever else is out there
Dec 18 18:54:11 <phil_bw> ah, haven't watched anything online in a while... I'm pretty lame it seems
Dec 18 19:00:35 <MetaView> argh, I don#t get my ssh keys working... hm, wonder how I did it the last time
Dec 18 19:05:24 <MetaView> hm, had to reload the private key in putty... that was easy, but took my some hours...
Dec 18 19:11:26 * visolix thinks rest&sleep is good, i just need to remember to do it more often.. :/   
Dec 18 19:47:34 <fahhem> visolix: make an app for it :)
Dec 18 19:47:57 <visolix> haha.. sheah... i'd like that... most of the time :)
Dec 18 19:48:06 <visolix> wife wouldnt though. :D
Dec 18 19:48:30 <visolix> hey, did SineOT ever get that problem figured out?
Dec 18 19:48:43 <visolix> last night he was kinda stressin.. :/
Dec 18 19:49:53 <fahhem> the first or second one?
Dec 18 19:50:58 <fahhem> i found the setTimeout problem, but he went to sleep when debugging the older, non-service, version of his app
Dec 18 19:52:40 <visolix> yeah, teh second one, i just signed out when he called it quits...
Dec 18 19:53:11 <visolix> my memory a little foggy, as i was reeealy tired, but you probablyknow what im referring to.
Dec 18 19:53:13 <KGF2009> How does one save an SQL database to the phone to open at the next instance of the app?
Dec 18 19:53:37 <visolix> im sorry, KGF2009, but you need to raise your hand.
Dec 18 19:53:45 <visolix> ;) hehe, jking :)
Dec 18 19:55:04 <KGF2009> XD
Dec 18 19:55:32 <Tibfib> KGF2009: like save it at the close?
Dec 18 19:55:52 <KGF2009> Yeah.
Dec 18 19:55:57 <Tibfib> that's tricky
Dec 18 19:56:14 <Tibfib> because there's a limit in how long you can execute code after an app is killed
Dec 18 19:56:37 <MetaView> you could open a dashboard or what ever it's called?
Dec 18 19:56:40 <Tibfib> check out the dev forums. Most people launch dashboards that save the data on the stage close
Dec 18 20:23:07 <mikel__> hey everyone!
Dec 18 20:23:23 <KGF2009> All my app ideas have been dead ends so far. x.x
Dec 18 20:23:30 <mikel__> hoping someone can answer a question for me..
Dec 18 20:24:43 <mikel__> my pre got thirsty and went for a small drink, lol, and now the power button wont respond to anything... is there a patch that i can apply to turn off the screen, or at least lock it so i dont have to wait for it to shut itself off?
Dec 18 20:25:00 <mikel__> i checked in Preware, but couldnt find much
Dec 18 20:25:26 <mikel__> btw.. i have no extra repo's installed, only the standard ones that come with preware
Dec 18 20:25:30 <KGF2009> Oh, I think I actually saw something like that once.
Dec 18 20:25:37 <mikel__> yayy
Dec 18 20:26:21 <mikel__> any info on it?
Dec 18 20:26:44 <mikel__> i did a fast search on precentral as well.. didnt return much in the way of available patches
Dec 18 20:30:54 <mikel__> bump
Dec 18 20:30:56 <visolix> mikel_ yes there is, its in preware, ive seen ... you find it yet? i can look it up if you want.
Dec 18 20:31:04 <mikel__> i havent found it yet
Dec 18 20:31:15 <KGF2009> I haven't either.
Dec 18 20:31:20 <visolix> k
Dec 18 20:31:25 <mikel__> which section is it in?
Dec 18 20:31:32 <mikel__> ill assume patches, but no results
Dec 18 20:31:51 <visolix> hang on, i dont remember.. but ive seen it since months ago, and just a days ago when i was reinstalling patches..
Dec 18 20:32:00 <KGF2009> I thought it was an app..
Dec 18 20:32:01 <visolix> brb
Dec 18 20:32:09 <visolix> app im pretty sure
Dec 18 20:32:43 <visolix> its info details your exact reason/purpose for it, "loss of power button function" too. :D
Dec 18 20:32:49 <mikel__> nice!
Dec 18 20:32:53 <mikel__> ill check apps now
Dec 18 20:33:24 <visolix> it shows a red power button, for the icon, jfyi..
Dec 18 20:33:30 <mikel__> remember that name, by chance?
Dec 18 20:33:56 <visolix> nope.. shouldnt be a second, loading preware now, 1sec
Dec 18 20:34:44 <visolix> "screen off", (em, its actuyally black and yellow icon, my bad)... it is in...
Dec 18 20:34:58 <visolix> com.palm.app.screenoff
Dec 18 20:35:01 <visolix> (apps)
Dec 18 20:35:14 <KGF2009> There you go.
Dec 18 20:35:21 <mikel__> you, my friend, are amazing
Dec 18 20:35:27 <visolix> maintainer: gobanjoboy
Dec 18 20:35:32 <visolix> meh
Dec 18 20:35:36 <visolix> :) you find it?
Dec 18 20:35:55 <mikel__> yes
Dec 18 20:36:02 <mikel__> dl/installing now
Dec 18 20:36:05 <visolix> ok, :)
Dec 18 20:36:53 <mikel__> works like a charm
Dec 18 20:37:08 <mikel__> i owe you like, a billion internetz
Dec 18 20:37:09 <visolix> good. glad to help
Dec 18 20:37:19 <visolix> its nothin.. really, lol
Dec 18 20:37:21 <mikel__> lol
Dec 18 20:38:19 <mikel__> so, yeah.. im out of a warrenty thanks to that drink it took, so i have to wait until i can get another one... hopefully i dont have this phone die lol
Dec 18 20:38:52 <mikel__> anyways, now that im not completely screwed, how are you guys today?
Dec 18 20:40:15 <KGF2009> Been wracking my brain for app ideas. Haven't made a single successful app. x.x
Dec 18 20:41:14 <mikel__> what kind of app are you trying to do?
Dec 18 20:41:15 <rick-home> really?
Dec 18 20:41:22 <mikel__> anything in particular?
Dec 18 20:41:26 <rick-home> business/personal/game/???
Dec 18 20:41:37 <rick-home> information/book/social???
Dec 18 20:42:00 <KGF2009> Anythine simple that I can do with the SDK.
Dec 18 20:42:04 <mikel__> i'd like an msn client...
Dec 18 20:42:05 <mikel__> lol
Dec 18 20:42:32 <rick-home> KGF2009  you have to PICK an area of interest.
Dec 18 20:42:36 <rick-home> that's the first step.
Dec 18 20:42:51 <rick-home> for example, do you have graphics ability?  Do you have a good sense of humor?
Dec 18 20:42:57 <rick-home> are you good at explaining things?
Dec 18 20:43:13 <rick-home> what are your strengths?  You like climbing rocks?  Do you bicycle?  Are you a hiker?
Dec 18 20:43:21 <rick-home> do you juggle?
Dec 18 20:43:33 <mikel__> don't juggle pre's...
Dec 18 20:43:35 <mikel__> just saying
Dec 18 20:43:47 <mikel__> :P
Dec 18 20:43:47 <rick-home> works mikel__
Dec 18 20:43:56 <mikel__> lol
Dec 18 20:44:50 <KGF2009> I really don't know, I have multiple areas of interest, really.
Dec 18 20:45:10 <mikel__> hrm... ill look at my phone and come up with something..
Dec 18 20:45:13 <KGF2009> I suppose like, productivity/utilities as a general category.
Dec 18 20:45:51 <KGF2009> I just can't make an app look good for crap. x.x
Dec 18 20:45:54 <mikel__> oo! i have one! can you make an app where you can store your programs/apps/utilities in folders? it would clean up my launcher A LOT
Dec 18 20:46:02 <Tibfib> KGF2009: the default styles are decent enough
Dec 18 20:46:11 <Tibfib> don't add a custom background and it'll be fine
Dec 18 20:46:18 <mikel__> if it looks default, im happy with it!
Dec 18 20:46:31 <mikel__> if it looks like crap, as long as it works, im happy with it
Dec 18 20:46:42 <Tibfib> also, I think the palm-dark theme is better looking than the the regular one
Dec 18 20:46:45 <KGF2009> Even so, Tibfib, I still manage to make it look horrible.
Dec 18 20:47:03 <Tibfib> KGF2009: screenshots?
Dec 18 20:47:34 <KGF2009> Don't have any; all those apps are long gone. XD
Dec 18 20:47:56 <visolix> when the screen goes to off mode, make it load a small animataion, ie; screenblanker style.. would be nice.
Dec 18 20:47:59 <mikel__> if i had the know-how, i'd give my hand at making an app,
Dec 18 20:48:27 <mikel__> but the fact that you UNDERSTAND how to make one is 10 times better than me lol
Dec 18 20:48:33 <Tibfib> KGF2009: worry about function, then graphics.
Dec 18 20:48:41 <mikel__> agreed
Dec 18 20:48:51 <KGF2009> Right.
Dec 18 20:49:03 <mikel__> thats what updates are for :P
Dec 18 20:49:06 <KGF2009> But I still don't have a function to do. XP
Dec 18 20:49:13 <mikel__> app folders!
Dec 18 20:49:23 <Tibfib> mikel__: can't do that if he wants to sell it
Dec 18 20:49:35 <mikel__> does he want to sell it tho..
Dec 18 20:49:53 <KGF2009> Not particularly; and to me, that sounds more like something for a patch.
Dec 18 20:49:53 <mikel__> and how do you do the red font thing?
Dec 18 20:50:09 <mikel__> im IRC-illiterate lol
Dec 18 20:50:18 <Tibfib> did anyone do that timezone app?
Dec 18 20:50:26 <KGF2009> It turns red if someone says your name.
Dec 18 20:50:45 <KGF2009> I looked and there's a timezone app 10x better than even the idea I had in mind for my finished product. XD
Dec 18 20:50:47 <mikel__> KGF2009 thanks
Dec 18 20:50:55 <mikel__> didnt work lol
Dec 18 20:51:06 <KGF2009> mikel__
Dec 18 20:51:17 <visolix> mikel_ you using wIRC?
Dec 18 20:51:27 <mikel__> im on XChat (ubuntu)
Dec 18 20:51:32 <KGF2009> You can't make it turn red yourself without a special character code.
Dec 18 20:51:34 * Tibfib this color?
Dec 18 20:51:42 <KGF2009> Like this?
Dec 18 20:52:12 <Tibfib> KGF2009: think of something YOU want on your phone, and make it
Dec 18 20:52:18 <mikel__> oo! i know a good one, kgf... i've been waiting forever for a java chat room app
Dec 18 20:52:30 <mikel__> or something similar
Dec 18 20:52:36 <mikel__> i know java isnt supported
Dec 18 20:53:33 <rick-home> KGF2009  it's easiest to make a really good ap about something you know or love.  Pomeranians, redheads, whatever...
Dec 18 20:53:39 <rick-home> have you no interests?
Dec 18 20:54:41 <mikel__> redheads lol
Dec 18 20:55:27 <KGF2009> I can't really think of anything towards my interests to put in an app. XP
Dec 18 20:55:30 <rick-home> you think I couldn't do an app about redheads?
Dec 18 20:56:13 <KGF2009> Whee
Dec 18 20:56:33 <mikel__> oo.. heres a really dumb question... really really dumb... is there a theme that i can reinstall to have all the ORIGINAL palm images back? i had a bad case of "uninstall gone wrong" and got stuck with some images from an old theme
Dec 18 20:57:01 <KGF2009> This is fun
Dec 18 20:57:01 <mikel__> this is an ancient thing, but if i could at least see the original theme again... *sniff*
Dec 18 20:57:08 <mikel__> whats fun?
Dec 18 20:57:20 <mikel__> oo! make an IRC client, KGF2009
Dec 18 20:57:25 <KGF2009> Pff.
Dec 18 20:57:30 <KGF2009> I'm not gonna beat wIRC. XD
Dec 18 20:57:33 <mikel__> so?
Dec 18 20:57:40 <mikel__> i'd use yours
Dec 18 20:58:17 <KGF2009> I don't think I can, considering what I've seen how wIRC is set up. An IRC client on WebOS is complicated.
Dec 18 20:58:41 <rick-home> do a google image search, create a file of a bazillion redheads, and make an app that's the equivalent of a soundboard but for readhead images.
Dec 18 20:58:48 <rick-home> Then do one for pomeranians.
Dec 18 20:58:52 <rick-home> and beagles
Dec 18 20:58:57 <rick-home> and bicycles
Dec 18 20:58:59 <mikel__> lol
Dec 18 20:59:01 <rick-home> and football players
Dec 18 20:59:04 <rick-home> and ....
Dec 18 20:59:13 <mikel__> and chihuahuas
Dec 18 20:59:15 <rick-home> slide-show app...
Dec 18 20:59:24 <rick-home> basically...  that plays a custom slide show.
Dec 18 20:59:40 <rick-home> then you can write and document "my photo-board builder"  :-)
Dec 18 20:59:42 <KGF2009> I always wondered why a slide-show function wasn't built-in to the Photos app.
Dec 18 20:59:51 <rick-home> SEEE!!!!
Dec 18 20:59:58 <rick-home> you did have somehting you wanted on your phone.
Dec 18 21:00:02 <rick-home> Write the damned thing.
Dec 18 21:00:04 <mikel__> ta-da
Dec 18 21:00:07 <KGF2009> But how would I do that? D:
Dec 18 21:00:09 <rick-home> then, post many versions of it.
Dec 18 21:00:12 <mikel__> do it...
Dec 18 21:00:21 <rick-home> come on.  slide show app is easy....
Dec 18 21:00:29 <mikel__> erm... you're asking the wrong person for the How-To lol
Dec 18 21:00:35 <KGF2009> Not if I want to add effects and such.
Dec 18 21:00:38 <rick-home> image widget on the screen, a few buttons, taps...  no big deal
Dec 18 21:00:41 <mikel__> i draw a blank when it comes to writing an app
Dec 18 21:00:44 <rick-home> ooooo  that's for version 2....
Dec 18 21:00:51 <rick-home> make a slide show app
Dec 18 21:00:56 <Tibfib> KGF2009: webkit transitions are super easy
Dec 18 21:01:05 <rick-home> so they are.
Dec 18 21:01:07 <KGF2009> Oj?
Dec 18 21:01:08 <mikel__> get the function built, publish then update
Dec 18 21:01:10 <KGF2009> Oh*
Dec 18 21:01:28 <KGF2009> Hmm...
Dec 18 21:01:37 <rick-home> Look you asked for an easy sdk app.  There is one.  As usual, I expect 5% of the revenue over $1000.
Dec 18 21:01:38 <KGF2009> Ah, screw it. Here goes nothing.
Dec 18 21:01:48 <Tibfib> lol
Dec 18 21:01:51 <visolix> lol
Dec 18 21:01:58 <KGF2009> Pff, you think I'm gonna charge for my crappy apps?
Dec 18 21:02:03 <KGF2009> Not until I get really good.
Dec 18 21:02:30 <rick-home> you think I'm kidding,   I've done software designs for a BUNCH of people....   software design is a skill....  and is chargable.    5% of revenue over $1000 is a reasonable request.
Dec 18 21:03:41 <mikel__> lets see how it goes first, rick-home
Dec 18 21:03:52 <rick-home> hehehehe. :-)
Dec 18 21:04:00 <Tibfib> lol
Dec 18 21:04:10 * Tibfib should start trying to get people to pay for IRC help :)
Dec 18 21:04:21 <rick-home> KGF2009  -- go for it.  Slide show app here we come!!!
Dec 18 21:04:29 <rick-home> version 2, you put the slides in cute frames....
Dec 18 21:05:01 <mikel__> charge people for adspace on your app ;)
Dec 18 21:05:19 <mikel__> oo.. thats a good one... an adspace app
Dec 18 21:05:30 <rick-home> there are good ad apk's available now.
Dec 18 21:05:38 <rick-home> hey  YEAH!!!
Dec 18 21:05:44 <rick-home> a SHOPPING CHANNEL app
Dec 18 21:05:47 <Tman> is enyo available to develop against right now?
Dec 18 21:05:48 <rick-home> all ads, all the time.
Dec 18 21:05:55 <mikel__> yes!
Dec 18 21:06:04 <rick-home> hit every ad feed apk -- put up the latest add from all the add feeds....
Dec 18 21:06:22 <mikel__> gr, i wish i had app-developing skillz
Dec 18 21:06:37 <Tibfib> mikel__: you gotta start to get them :)
Dec 18 21:06:50 <mikel__> lol true dat
Dec 18 21:06:53 <Tibfib> It made no sense to me when I started, but eventually I "got it"
Dec 18 21:07:01 <mikel__> well, i suppose it couldnt hurt..
Dec 18 21:07:11 <mikel__> now.. where is that linux-friendly version.
Dec 18 21:07:21 <KGF2009> It helps to know HTML, CSS and Javascript before you start.
Dec 18 21:07:23 <rick-home> mikel__  it's linux underneith
Dec 18 21:07:34 <KGF2009> mikel__, the SDK is easily linux-compatible.
Dec 18 21:07:35 <rick-home> you can write pdk apps.
Dec 18 21:07:43 <rick-home> pdk IS linux.
Dec 18 21:07:45 <mikel__> hrm..
Dec 18 21:07:50 <rick-home> compiled in whatever language you like.
Dec 18 21:07:52 <mikel__> well then
Dec 18 21:07:57 <rick-home> Hell, we've had X11 running on it.
Dec 18 21:08:00 <mikel__> im not at a complete loss then
Dec 18 21:08:06 <KGF2009> rick-home, serious?
Dec 18 21:08:11 <rick-home> grab the pdk docs.
Dec 18 21:08:22 <rick-home> KGF2009  do you pay NO attention to what webos-internals does?
Dec 18 21:08:29 <KGF2009> Not a thing.
Dec 18 21:08:44 <KGF2009> Other than UberKernel.
Dec 18 21:08:46 <mikel__> lol same!
Dec 18 21:08:47 <rick-home> ahhh...   we -own- these machines, down to the bit level.
Dec 18 21:08:49 <KGF2009> Which I love.
Dec 18 21:08:57 <mikel__> i dont even pay attention to Uber
Dec 18 21:09:06 <mikel__> i say, i need this.. is this available?
Dec 18 21:09:08 <rick-home> and doom and quake and scummvm and the nes emulator and the gameboy emulator
Dec 18 21:09:23 <KGF2009> :o
Dec 18 21:09:24 <rick-home> how do you think we got those running?
Dec 18 21:09:26 <mikel__> i wanted the gameboy emu.. just been too lazy to get it
Dec 18 21:09:44 <KGF2009> I have the VBA and SNES emus.
Dec 18 21:09:51 <KGF2009> And Doom.
Dec 18 21:10:00 <mikel__> doom was cool, i liked that
Dec 18 21:10:10 <mikel__> but im a classic guy
Dec 18 21:10:17 <KGF2009> I don't like the keyboard layout of it, though. D:
Dec 18 21:10:17 <mikel__> (save for my xbox360)
Dec 18 21:10:42 <mikel__> i think, since i have nowhere else to be, ill go ahead and install vba
Dec 18 21:10:44 <KGF2009> Like, the button that should let me walk backwards instead LUNGES me forward.
Dec 18 21:10:50 <mikel__> lol
Dec 18 21:11:03 <mikel__> thats the slingshot button, didnt you know?
Dec 18 21:11:11 <KGF2009> Apparently.
Dec 18 21:11:14 <mikel__> lol
Dec 18 21:11:22 <KGF2009> I never played the original Doom on PC.
Dec 18 21:11:29 <mikel__> ok, so i install vba from the apps
Dec 18 21:11:53 <KGF2009> Then just get .gba .gbc or .gb ROMs to play.
Dec 18 21:12:08 <KGF2009> rick-home, next thing: DS emulator!
Dec 18 21:12:10 <mikel__> im thinking.. whats a few good games..
Dec 18 21:12:30 <mikel__> mainly gba games..
Dec 18 21:12:39 <mikel__> pokemon ftw :P
Dec 18 21:12:40 <KGF2009> I have every GB-GBA Pokemon game on my phone. :D
Dec 18 21:12:52 <KGF2009> Even red rescue team in japanese.
Dec 18 21:12:56 <mikel__> :O
Dec 18 21:13:04 <mikel__> is rescue team even good?
Dec 18 21:13:09 <KGF2009> Oh, yes.
Dec 18 21:13:22 <KGF2009> Much better storyline than the regular games, I'll say that.
Dec 18 21:13:50 <KGF2009> I'm not afraid to admit that not a single PMD game has succeeded in making me cry. XP
Dec 18 21:13:55 <KGF2009> Er.
Dec 18 21:14:07 <KGF2009> Every game -has- succeeded.
Dec 18 21:14:10 * KGF2009 worded that wrong.
Dec 18 21:18:15 <mikel__> lol
Dec 18 21:18:42 <torchie> PMD?
Dec 18 21:18:51 <torchie> oh
Dec 18 21:18:54 <KGF2009> Pokemon Mystery Dungeon.
Dec 18 21:18:54 <torchie> mystery dungeon
Dec 18 21:18:59 <torchie> yeah those games are pretty fly
Dec 18 21:19:28 <mikel__> so, i cant find the gameboy in preware... i'm a failure lol
Dec 18 21:19:39 <mikel__> visualboy, right?
Dec 18 21:19:41 <KGF2009> mikel__, Visual Boy Advance
Dec 18 21:19:58 <mikel__> :/ im not entirely retarded, promise lol
Dec 18 21:22:20 <mikel__> lol i like that preware'rs get VBA free, and people afraid to "hurt" their phones have to pay 5 bucks lol
Dec 18 21:22:32 <KGF2009> Mmhmm.
Dec 18 21:22:45 <halfhalo> OR people want to support the dev and get the appcat version
Dec 18 21:23:01 <mikel__> true
Dec 18 21:23:29 <mikel__> so, now that i have it, i just put roms into the USB drive, right
Dec 18 21:23:46 <rick-home> yep
Dec 18 21:25:28 <mikel__> ok, name a good game for gba that isnt pokemon lol
Dec 18 21:25:36 <mikel__> something that you dont get bored with in two minutes
Dec 18 21:25:54 <KGF2009> It needs to be in /vba/roms
Dec 18 21:25:58 <KGF2009> Well.
Dec 18 21:26:05 <KGF2009> /media/internal/vba/roms/
Dec 18 21:26:07 <rick-home> mikel__  pacman
Dec 18 21:26:20 <sugardave> I'm late to the discussion...THE timezone app can't get written until Palm fixes a couple of bugs
Dec 18 21:26:41 <mikel__> pacman collection or pacman world
Dec 18 21:27:16 <KGF2009> sugardave, someone begs to differ.
Dec 18 21:27:34 <sugardave> does it work offline and do the Chatham Islands correctly?
Dec 18 21:27:41 <sugardave> that is the gold standard
Dec 18 21:27:58 <mikel__> make sure it has Narnian time, as well!
Dec 18 21:28:03 <mikel__> :P
Dec 18 21:28:34 <sugardave> I know there are some timezone apps, but the Rod has indicated that they are all crap :P
Dec 18 21:28:39 <mikel__> ignore me, im hyped up on coffee and sugar
Dec 18 21:29:15 <sugardave> KGF2009: slideshow is a good app to do, I'm finishing up one right now
Dec 18 21:29:27 <KGF2009> Oh?
Dec 18 21:29:43 <sugardave> indeed
Dec 18 21:29:49 <KGF2009> Yours is likely to be better. XD
Dec 18 21:29:50 <sugardave> I need to re-write the image cacher
Dec 18 21:30:08 <KGF2009> ...Yeah, I never even thought of having a cache. XP
Dec 18 21:30:10 <sugardave> so that it will abort downloads when they pick one to save or set as wallpaper
Dec 18 21:30:24 * sugardave cheats.
Dec 18 21:31:02 <KGF2009> So if you're already up to making one, should I try a different idea?
Dec 18 21:31:24 <sugardave> this is for a client, go for it
Dec 18 21:31:46 <mikel__> keep going, KFG2009
Dec 18 21:32:58 <sugardave> KGF2009: if the images are remote, you might want to cache them so they don't have to be downloaded every time the app launches
Dec 18 21:33:00 <KGF2009> Okay, first thing's first...How do I get a list of the albums listed in the Photos app? System service?
Dec 18 21:33:10 <KGF2009> Ah.
Dec 18 21:33:12 <KGF2009> I was thinking local.
Dec 18 21:34:23 <sugardave> Here's how the Photos app works (somewhat) if you make a directory in /media/internal and it contains images, it's now an 'album' in the photos app
Dec 18 21:34:52 <KGF2009> So I'm gonna have to find the albums myself?
Dec 18 21:35:25 <KGF2009> Or..
Dec 18 21:35:37 <KGF2009> The code from the photos app -is- open source..
Dec 18 21:36:19 <sugardave> yeah, there might be a better way to grab them
Dec 18 21:36:23 <sugardave> I'd look in there
Dec 18 21:36:47 <KGF2009> Ah..The one thing I miss while developing on Windows. Novaterm.
Dec 18 21:37:01 <mikel__> i got castlevania :)
Dec 18 21:37:07 <b0bben_> KGF2009: putty will do
Dec 18 21:37:07 <sugardave> Mine only deals with the content the client configures, and I make a folder based on the vendor name, then a .folder under that based on the app id to keep the photos from appearing until they explicitly save it
Dec 18 21:37:26 <KGF2009> Makes sense.
Dec 18 21:37:34 <KGF2009> b0bben_, PuTTY to where?
Dec 18 21:37:54 <sugardave> localhost 5522, I think
Dec 18 21:38:01 <b0bben_> yeah, something like that
Dec 18 21:38:10 <KGF2009> That did it. Thanks.
Dec 18 21:38:15 <mikel__> so... anyone know of a theme that restores the ORIGINAL palm images, like from a bad theme removal?
Dec 18 21:38:29 <sugardave> mikel__: not sure, never messed with themes
Dec 18 21:38:35 <KGF2009> Same.
Dec 18 21:38:53 <sugardave> you may want to back up your stuff and restore from the doctor
Dec 18 21:38:54 <mikel__> k.. im out guys..
Dec 18 21:38:55 <mikel__> tc
Dec 18 21:39:06 <KGF2009> See ya.
Dec 18 21:39:44 <KGF2009> Darn you, emulator and your lack of nano!
Dec 18 21:39:52 <sugardave> vi is there
Dec 18 21:40:02 <b0bben_> KGF2009: http://developer.palm.com/blog/2010/08/debugging-pdk-applications/
Dec 18 21:40:15 <b0bben_> putty -P 10022 root@localhost
Dec 18 21:40:28 <KGF2009> 5522 worked fine. :o
Dec 18 21:40:47 <sugardave> KGF2009: but you should also have novaterm on the machine you're on
Dec 18 21:41:15 <KGF2009> ?
Dec 18 21:41:25 <KGF2009> I was told novaterm was unavailable on Windows.
Dec 18 21:41:35 <sugardave> hmm
Dec 18 21:41:38 <sugardave> that sucks
Dec 18 21:42:27 <b0bben_> oh, the port 10022 is only available when you have PDK installed and run pdk-device-install
Dec 18 21:42:30 <sugardave> I read your earlier comment as that you are not currently on Windows, and therefore miss using novaterm
Dec 18 21:42:32 <b0bben_> didn't even read the page ;)
Dec 18 21:44:35 <KGF2009> I can't seem to find how Palm gets the albums..
Dec 18 21:47:04 <KGF2009> I know it can be done because I've seen a third-party app do it..
Dec 18 21:49:52 <dawm> theres a service call i believe
Dec 18 21:52:12 <sugardave> possibly to filemanager
Dec 18 21:52:32 <dawm> KGF2009, do you mean the picker?
Dec 18 21:53:01 <KGF2009> I just need something to give me a list of albums and then a list of the images within.
Dec 18 21:53:55 <dawm> http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1995&Itemid=238
Dec 18 22:13:46 <KGF2009> Found it!
Dec 18 22:15:53 <dawm> ugh.. love it when your testing something out and you get no output and no errors..
Dec 18 22:18:10 <KGF2009> Fun.
Dec 18 22:20:24 <Tibfib_away> dawm: http://ares.palm.com/AresDebug/ is your friend
Dec 18 22:20:28 <Tibfib_away> mine too!
Dec 18 22:20:43 <dawm> oh no im not even bothering with the emu, just testing canvas stuff in chrome
Dec 18 22:20:45 <dawm> much quicker
Dec 18 22:20:58 <Tibfib_away> ohh
Dec 18 22:35:17 <Tibfib_away> holy cow. setting the renderlimit on a list to really high slows down performance ridiculously
Dec 18 22:35:36 <Tibfib_away> fyi
Dec 18 22:42:30 <dawm> woo
Dec 18 22:42:33 <dawm> animated pngs ;D
Dec 18 22:53:22 * solix is bored.  need some beginners palm-sdk guides to read...
Dec 18 22:54:13 <solix> hey sineOt... hows you doing?
Dec 18 22:54:42 <solix> you ever get that error fixed you were working on all night yesterday?
Dec 18 22:55:06 <SineOt> Nope :I
Dec 18 22:55:12 <SineOt> Not looking forward to trying to fix it
Dec 18 22:55:17 <solix> oh.. :/
Dec 18 22:55:28 <SineOt> I thought it might be an issue with my device, but I can duplicate it on all 3 phones I have access to :/
Dec 18 22:55:31 <SineOt> It's like WTF
Dec 18 22:56:06 <solix> I hear you, I only read the chat before crashing last night, bout the same time you hung it up.. looked like a real pita..
Dec 18 22:56:08 <solix> yeah
Dec 18 22:56:32 <SineOt> Because I've changed literally -zero- code related to this since the last time I was working on it, and it worked fine then
Dec 18 22:56:40 <solix> those are the worst.. no rhym, or reason.. you get the logs??
Dec 18 22:56:59 <solix> was there a package update?
Dec 18 22:56:59 <SineOt> Logs fine, but the AJAX calls aren't getting made until I actually close the app
Dec 18 22:57:09 <SineOt> Package update?
Dec 18 22:57:31 <solix> oh right, should recap from the irc logfile ur convo last night.
Dec 18 22:58:01 <solix> anything external that might have received an update? sdk, java, ?
Dec 18 22:59:19 <SineOt> I was thinking there might have been a Boxee update, but... If there had been, it wouldn't be working at all
Dec 18 22:59:30 <dawm> heh interestingly
Dec 18 22:59:31 <dawm> http://9elements.com/io/projects/html5/canvas/
Dec 18 22:59:34 <dawm> that works on my pre
Dec 18 22:59:37 <dawm> albeit slowly
Dec 18 22:59:49 <solix> neways, not much *I* can help you with yet brother but just make random suggestions. hehe
Dec 18 23:00:09 <SineOt> Where right now if you close the app it like, freaks out
Dec 18 23:00:20 <SineOt> and by freaks out I mean "does all the commands you've tried send all at once"
Dec 18 23:00:38 <solix> ok cool dawm, but wth is it? a music player? :)
Dec 18 23:00:46 <dawm> just html5 demo
Dec 18 23:00:53 <solix> neat
Dec 18 23:00:56 <dawm> has some audio and a particle system
Dec 18 23:01:06 <dawm> runs much better on my desktop than on the pre heh but theres alot going on
Dec 18 23:01:06 <solix> yeah. I'm watching it now
Dec 18 23:01:25 <don1721> hello
Dec 18 23:01:33 <solix> it's real smoth on my pre+ ocd 1ghz.
Dec 18 23:01:53 <halfhalo> UncUncUncUnc
Dec 18 23:01:54 <b0bben_> awww, palm-log is a whiny b*tch
Dec 18 23:01:58 <don1721> was wondering if anyone here can recommend a good way to profile an app
Dec 18 23:02:15 <don1721> check scene load times, etc.
Dec 18 23:02:23 <SineOt> If you can, run it in host mode in the emulator and just use the WebKit Inspector :]
Dec 18 23:02:30 <solix> sineOt ah yeah I remember that convo.  talked cache handlers or something.
Dec 18 23:02:39 <don1721> host mode?
Dec 18 23:02:40 <SineOt> I'm going to try it on XBMC
Dec 18 23:03:16 <b0bben_> dawm: awesome stuff! now all i need is some weed and some pink floyd :)
Dec 18 23:03:21 <dawm> lol
Dec 18 23:03:38 <oil> you mean you dont already have both of those things?
Dec 18 23:03:53 <b0bben_> oil: WHO TOLD YOU THAT!
Dec 18 23:03:55 <solix> lol @b0bben...
Dec 18 23:03:57 <halfhalo> lol
Dec 18 23:03:58 <b0bben_> :P
Dec 18 23:04:01 <halfhalo> OHOHOH!!!!!
Dec 18 23:04:07 <halfhalo> MUZAK DOWNLOADINGZ
Dec 18 23:04:10 <solix> lmao
Dec 18 23:04:16 <SineOt> don1721: lets you run your app in the emulator, but the DOM is exported to let you work with it in a standard webbrowser
Dec 18 23:05:00 <don1721> oh I see
Dec 18 23:05:03 <don1721> thanks
Dec 18 23:05:11 <b0bben_> don1721: unless you have a multi-stage app, in that case you'll be riding the Pain Train
Dec 18 23:05:22 <b0bben_> other than that: awesome stuff
Dec 18 23:05:49 <don1721> well I only have two stages, one for the main app and one for a dashboard, if that's what you mean
Dec 18 23:06:00 <oil> thats multistage!
Dec 18 23:06:04 <b0bben_> don1721: chu chu, here comes the pain train ;)
Dec 18 23:06:18 <solix> haha
Dec 18 23:06:23 <solix> ouch
Dec 18 23:06:34 <don1721> haha, I guess I can disable the dashboard for now, it's not what's being slow in my app
Dec 18 23:06:38 <b0bben_> don1721: it's not that bad, it's just that you need to run commands in novaterm to find out the ID of the right stage
Dec 18 23:07:00 <oil> there is a log option which dumps out time data for launching scenes/etc
Dec 18 23:07:06 <oil> though, i never use it, so i dont know what it is
Dec 18 23:07:11 <b0bben_> don1721: you could be lucky and have your main stage as no:1, inspector's default
Dec 18 23:07:56 * halfhalo neads more subs
Dec 18 23:08:35 <b0bben_> damnit, app runs like a charm on 2.0 emu, b0rks on device
Dec 18 23:08:51 <b0bben_> downloading [REDACTED]
Dec 18 23:09:04 <oil> *cough* NDA *cough*
Dec 18 23:09:11 <halfhalo> lulz
Dec 18 23:09:25 <b0bben_> it's so gonna be awesome with [REDACTED] on [REDACTED]! i'm so [REDACTED]!
Dec 18 23:09:40 <b0bben_> oil: don't worry, got my NDA plugin...
Dec 18 23:10:46 <b0bben_> halfhalo: what kind of subs are you looking for? can hook you up with some ppl
Dec 18 23:11:21 <SineOt> I need some low profile subs since I don't have room for a traditional box in my S10 :B
Dec 18 23:11:31 <b0bben_> went to my local subway and asked for: "5 dollar fot lång"
Dec 18 23:11:40 <b0bben_> they looked at me strangely
Dec 18 23:11:53 <b0bben_> does not translate well into swedish that commercial
Dec 18 23:12:28 <b0bben_> SineOt: S10, what's that, a truck?
Dec 18 23:12:46 <SineOt> yeah
Dec 18 23:12:50 <b0bben_> GM?
Dec 18 23:13:08 <SineOt> Chevy
Dec 18 23:13:17 <b0bben_> kk
Dec 18 23:13:20 <b0bben_> good stuff?
Dec 18 23:13:34 <SineOt> Oh yeah. '99, only has 45k miles on it :p
Dec 18 23:13:58 <b0bben_> drive it like you stole it, or are you nice to it?
Dec 18 23:14:11 <SineOt> ex-Fleet vehicle
Dec 18 23:14:21 <b0bben_> aa, nice catch
Dec 18 23:14:24 <SineOt> Spent most of its life garaged at a truck stop in San Mateo :T
Dec 18 23:14:28 <b0bben_> probably well-serviced etc.
Dec 18 23:14:39 <SineOt> yeah it has the fleet only package with all sorts of fancy stuff
Dec 18 23:14:54 <b0bben_> on-star as well for those lonely rides?
Dec 18 23:15:01 <b0bben_> w8, on-star is GM only right?
Dec 18 23:15:11 <SineOt> Bed liner, the weight distribution trailer hitch, has 3 12v outlets, etc
Dec 18 23:15:35 <b0bben_> got you're 42" plasma hooked up in the back with MTV playing them videos?
Dec 18 23:15:43 <SineOt> Nah, got a truck box :p
Dec 18 23:15:47 * b0bben_ watched too many pimp my ride's
Dec 18 23:15:52 * halfhalo has a low profile sub in his car
Dec 18 23:15:59 * halfhalo just wants a desktop sub for this song
Dec 18 23:16:08 <SineOt> Since it's not a crew cab or anything it's got like -zero- space in the cab
Dec 18 23:16:15 <SineOt> halfhalo: what brand
Dec 18 23:16:17 <b0bben_> SineOt: unpossible! a truck with a truck box!
Dec 18 23:16:21 <b0bben_> :)
Dec 18 23:16:34 <b0bben_> halfhalo: what song? duality with slipknot?
Dec 18 23:17:03 <b0bben_> i totally freak out when listening to that...did some bad-ass donuts in the parking lot at work (snowy == easy)
Dec 18 23:17:16 <b0bben_> some guy sitting is his car pooped his pants when i "lost control"
Dec 18 23:17:51 <halfhalo> tron legacy soundtrack, and bass sub
Dec 18 23:18:29 <b0bben_> omg daft punk rocked that one!
Dec 18 23:18:41 <halfhalo> Needs to be seen in imax purely for speakers
Dec 18 23:19:10 <b0bben_> i'm going to see it on monday
Dec 18 23:19:34 <b0bben_> this recruiter invited me
Dec 18 23:19:39 <halfhalo> lol
Dec 18 23:19:45 <b0bben_> i'm in for some fuckin' nagging
Dec 18 23:19:51 <b0bben_> totally worth it though
Dec 18 23:20:10 <b0bben_> i told him he can sell shit all day long, but has to keep quite during the movie
Dec 18 23:20:15 <halfhalo> looking for one song in paticular
Dec 18 23:20:15 <halfhalo> p
Dec 18 23:20:29 <b0bben_> my plan: come late, ditch him during credits
Dec 18 23:20:34 <SineOt> Ahahaha, holy crap Mozilla
Dec 18 23:20:45 <SineOt> "A failing grade for teaching the web" <!-- SlideShare error: doc is missing or has illegal characters /[^-_a-zA-Z0-9]/ -->
Dec 18 23:21:19 <b0bben_> SineOt: hehe
Dec 18 23:23:48 <b0bben_> need more cow bell!
Dec 18 23:26:13 <mbodevlab> Hello everybody
Dec 18 23:27:00 <SineOt> hi
Dec 18 23:33:38 <SineOt> Finding out that the Ares Logger and Debugger can get run stand alone is SO AWESOME
Dec 18 23:36:36 <mbodevlab> Hello SineOt
Dec 18 23:36:44 <mbodevlab> What are you debugging?
Dec 18 23:39:17 <SineOt> My Boxee Remote.
Dec 18 23:39:26 <SineOt> Works fine in XBMC, so I guess it's a Boxee problem?
Dec 18 23:45:12 <viSolix> leo42_
Dec 18 23:46:14 <b0bben_> man, startTracking....sometimes i just wanna stab it to death
Dec 18 23:46:48 <viSolix> fstab it to death.
Dec 18 23:47:00 <b0bben_> oh yeah
Dec 18 23:47:29 <b0bben_> someone plz remind me, where do I report bugs to palm in most effective way?
Dec 18 23:48:54 * viSolix shrugs
Dec 18 23:53:21 <SineOt> Forums is apparently the best way... And really only way
Dec 18 23:53:26 <viSolix> hey, does the EPR and patch recovery stuff usually, if not always fix the error when a patch won't install.. I've only used it once for the Advanced Config Launcher (way worth it).. but now have just two needed patches that clash (vertical percent & a phone app for handeling soecific calls) that I'd reeally like to have back.. anyone?
Dec 18 23:54:39 <viSolix> there are some ppl here that are helpful too, but I can't/wont speak for them, forums at least, and maybe email oc. shrug.
Dec 18 23:55:29 <viSolix> Er, soecfic=specific
Dec 18 23:57:06 <SineOt> Hm.
Dec 18 23:57:30 <SineOt> Is there any reason why with some AJAX calls to one IP would... Stall, but to other IPs would work fine?
Dec 18 23:57:35 <SineOt> This doesn't make sense.
Dec 18 23:58:00 <viSolix> erm, the two patches I mentioned are not the two that are clashing afaik, they are just the two that I would like... :)
Dec 18 23:58:23 <SineOt> I started logging with "onCompletion" for my AJAX calls, and if I'm calling my Netbook, onCompletion fires, but if I'm calling my desktop, it won't.
Dec 19 00:02:56 <dawm> ugh broke my sh*t.. doh!
Dec 19 00:03:08 <SineOt> What a head scratcher.
Dec 19 00:05:24 <dawm> woot fixd ;P
Dec 19 00:05:31 <SineOt> AGHHHHHH
Dec 19 00:05:38 <SineOt> Someone, please for the love of god, help me D:
Dec 19 00:07:18 <dawm> got my sprite function all spiffy, animation, multiple sprites (w/ animation) in 1 image support
Dec 19 00:07:28 * viSolix buys you a vitual beer... :/
Dec 19 00:07:55 <viSolix> erm, virtual, @sineOt. :)
Dec 19 00:08:07 <SineOt> http://webos.pastebin.com/1ZQ6mdAX Look at this, look at it haha
Dec 19 00:08:17 <SineOt> This makes me want to punch small children
Dec 19 00:08:21 <Tman> why is palm-run not giving me any log feedback? it says it's following logs but I get nothing when I know my app is spitting out logs, and I have logLevel set for the app
Dec 19 00:08:44 <dawm> tman palm-log ?
Dec 19 00:08:57 <SineOt> These logs, what in the hell. :B
Dec 19 00:09:57 <Tman> dawm: same thing..
Dec 19 00:10:36 <dawm> device or emulator
Dec 19 00:10:44 <Tman> device
Dec 19 00:10:45 <b0bben_> Tman: system-log-leve info ?
Dec 19 00:10:48 <viSolix> I suppose the lumberjack app wouldn't be helpful?
Dec 19 00:11:05 <dawm> did you set the system log level via palm-log?
Dec 19 00:11:11 <Tman> yeah just tried that, it worked
Dec 19 00:11:17 <dawm> is logging enabled in the app (framework.json)
Dec 19 00:11:34 <Tman> my understanding was that an app's log level could be higher than the system log level
Dec 19 00:11:49 <Tman> apparently that's not the case
Dec 19 00:11:51 <SineOt> This is so non-sensical
Dec 19 00:12:09 <dawm> sine i say you just give up and make a bobble head
Dec 19 00:12:24 <b0bben_> SineOt: firewall on desktop machine etc?
Dec 19 00:12:32 <SineOt> Nope
Dec 19 00:12:43 <b0bben_> works from phone browser?
Dec 19 00:13:16 <b0bben_> SineOt: do you have any logs on the desktop machine? what kind of server are you running?
Dec 19 00:15:21 <SineOt> It's Boxee... Which is built on XBMC. XBMC, the requests get sent on time... Boxee, they don't do anything until I close the app on my phone.
Dec 19 00:15:48 <SineOt> Making the calls via HTTPClient on my desktop, they function fine and respond quickly...
Dec 19 00:15:53 <SineOt> I just can't figure out what's going on.
Dec 19 00:16:19 <SineOt> If it was an issue with Boxee caching the responses, why would they suddenly go through when I closed the app on my phone?
Dec 19 00:26:05 <b0bben_> hmm
Dec 19 00:26:09 <b0bben_> tough one
Dec 19 00:26:38 <SineOt> It -sounds- like an issue with WebOS
Dec 19 00:26:45 <SineOt> but I have no idea where to start looking
Dec 19 00:27:34 <b0bben_> enable debug in boxee and see what's coming thru?
Dec 19 00:28:57 <SineOt> nothing, until I close the app on my phone-then it dumps all the Ajax requests I've made at once
Dec 19 00:29:28 <SineOt> http://webos.pastebin.com/1ZQ6mdAX this shows the logs for Boxee, then the logs for XBMC
Dec 19 00:36:15 <b0bben_> SineOt: same version of boxee on both machines?
Dec 19 00:36:22 <b0bben_> or is your netbook running xbmc?
Dec 19 00:37:25 <b0bben_> http://support.boxee.tv/entries/43963-i-ve-been-asked-by-boxee-support-to-send-debug-logs-how-do-i-do-that
Dec 19 00:37:41 <b0bben_> try turning that on and see what boxee thinks of your requests
Dec 19 00:38:05 <b0bben_> anyone knows if the free pre plus programme is still active?
Dec 19 00:38:43 <b0bben_> would love a dev phone...current pre is my work cell :)
Dec 19 00:38:53 <SineOt> Two OSX machines running Boxee, netbook is running XBMC
Dec 19 00:40:59 <SineOt> Huh
Dec 19 00:41:23 <SineOt> so it hits onLoading, which maps to Initializing the request... But never -sends- the request.
Dec 19 00:42:05 <KGF2009> Anyone know how I could make an app for Cleverbot? There's no actual API to my knowledge..
Dec 19 00:42:15 <SineOt> Ffffff
Dec 19 00:42:26 <b0bben_> SineOt: so you're getting somewhere now?
Dec 19 00:50:56 <b0bben_> it's just mindboggling how fast palm developed webos and pre, what was it like 2yrs?
Dec 19 00:53:34 <torchie> i heard it was like 6 months
Dec 19 00:53:43 <torchie> either way they started developing it now they better FINISH IIIIIT
Dec 19 00:55:56 <b0bben_> hehe
Dec 19 00:56:03 <dawm> weee auto resource loader ;D
Dec 19 00:56:55 <b0bben_> dawm: you're having some bad ass coding mojo tonight!
Dec 19 00:57:21 <dawm> yah canvas aint as hard as i thought
Dec 19 00:58:18 <b0bben_> alright ppl, good nigh
Dec 19 00:58:20 <b0bben_> t
Dec 19 00:59:04 <dawm> its sad that blinking blocks on my screen excite me
Dec 19 01:01:43 <dawm> http://www.phoboslab.org/files/venetianization/
Dec 19 01:01:46 <dawm> neet
Dec 19 01:03:24 <SineOt> Canvas is fun yeah
Dec 19 01:03:33 <SineOt> but this is a pain in the ass
Dec 19 01:04:37 <dawm> alot of work to sync the gfx to the audio
Dec 19 01:04:40 <dawm> poking around the src
Dec 19 01:06:02 <KGF2009> Is Ares difficult to use?
Dec 19 01:06:13 <SineOt> Not really
Dec 19 01:06:15 <KGF2009> Or am I just screwing up a lot?
Dec 19 01:06:20 <SineOt> If you know Mojo it's not THAT bad
Dec 19 01:06:25 <SineOt> but if you don't then it's a pain in the ass
Dec 19 01:06:37 <KGF2009> Define 'know'.
Dec 19 01:06:54 <dawm> i find it very difficult :P
Dec 19 01:06:58 <SineOt> Have you worked in Mojo at all?
Dec 19 01:07:39 <dawm> what time is it in pacific time right now?
Dec 19 01:07:42 <KGF2009> Yeah, I started doing apps by hand with nano and Notepad++; but I think I might do better with a visual interface.
Dec 19 01:07:44 <KGF2009> 5:06.
Dec 19 01:07:49 <dawm> oh ok
Dec 19 01:07:53 <KGF2009> PM.
Dec 19 01:07:55 <dawm> halo reach allnighter thingy
Dec 19 01:08:02 <dawm> http://www.xbox.com/en-US/Community/promotions/lexusallnightersweeps/home
Dec 19 01:08:56 <KGF2009> Aha.
Dec 19 01:09:24 <KGF2009> SineOt, I've only had issues with Ares, really.
Dec 19 01:09:27 <dawm> i use notepad++ for quick edits
Dec 19 01:09:36 <dawm> but komodoIDE regularly
Dec 19 01:10:44 <SineOt> Well, okay I guess that solves things really
Dec 19 01:10:51 <SineOt> It's for sure a webOS problem
Dec 19 01:11:21 <SineOt> Boxee receives and handles the messages like it should when you quit the remote on webOS
Dec 19 01:12:21 <SineOt> If anyone wants to try helping me out with debugging this, just PM me and I'll toss an IPK your way
Dec 19 01:13:29 <torchie> mojo so dope
Dec 19 01:14:24 <viSolix> very cool.. the EPR worked for everything i wanted back on mypre.. :)
Dec 19 01:14:39 <viSolix> its good to know this.. ;)
Dec 19 01:15:36 <viSolix> hey KGF2009, i was busy earlier, when you were talkingabout deciding on an 'app'.. but
Dec 19 01:16:04 <KGF2009> Yeah?
Dec 19 01:17:16 <viSolix> for me, where to start, is being "what i personally  (on my pre) would like to be different", easier patch install(bulk) what ever (i know this is relatively easy with what is available, but the point is striking the interest from my self first, then i have the drive, and chances are (on my level) there are others that would share the same want.. using this as practice/experience of course..
Dec 19 01:17:29 <viSolix> just sayin.. casue nobody asked me.. ;) cheers
Dec 19 01:17:41 * KGF2009 nods.
Dec 19 01:17:59 <SineOt> I think this might be an issue with AJAX.request... Hrm
Dec 19 01:19:26 <viSolix> and picking up the real nitty gritty stuff on the side.. to make it more 'sensible' for bigger and better apps/patches... and reading the daily logs from #webos helps, sometimes there are very informative chats, especially when the "top guys" are discusing their projects... even if you dont "get" what they are all referring to, it will help later, when your "there".. neways..
Dec 19 01:19:29 <viSolix> re SineOt
Dec 19 01:22:09 <viSolix> i have the "WebOSBook", but i dont think its all uptodate anymore, its a good read though, just for getting something out of it, (but i cant say that out of experience), just sayin
Dec 19 01:35:18 <Tman> is there anything about this plugin that could possibly be causing webOS/Luna to crash?
Dec 19 01:35:25 <Tman> http://webos.pastebin.com/Dne1Zicf
Dec 19 01:35:25 <viSolix> i would like to find a txt file of ALL the english words that refuse the "I before E, except after C".. Weird, i know, but would like a list.. hehe
Dec 19 01:35:38 <Tman> I'm using it in a hybrid app
Dec 19 01:36:43 <Tman> viSolix: I would suggest finding a txt dictionary and writing a script..
Dec 19 01:41:21 <viSolix> yea, i was thinking justthat, just to search and export anything "?CIE?".. would be easy... now to find the txt dictionary.. meh, will get to it sometime.. just an idea.. hehe
Dec 19 01:42:23 <viSolix> if i needed a dutch one, i would be set, got that already.. heh
Dec 19 01:44:46 <dawm> oooh.. i click it and it moves and beeps o_O
Dec 19 01:47:54 <torchie> awawewakwj
Dec 19 01:52:25 <viSolix> anyone here just starting (in a sense) on creating Apps/Patches/Whatnot?  just curious, i mean if your serious.. lmk k.
Dec 19 01:57:09 <viSolix> hmp. dang it, my Xserver wont start, it did yesterday....
Dec 19 01:57:15 <viSolix> on pre i mean
Dec 19 02:01:28 <dawm> erm drop motion is gonna be a bugger
Dec 19 02:03:23 <KGF2009> Javascript won't yell at me if I put a japanese character into a string, will it?
Dec 19 02:04:56 <torchie> nop
Dec 19 02:05:11 <torchie> speaking of that
Dec 19 02:05:18 <torchie> is there any form of japanese input support on webos
Dec 19 02:06:49 <KGF2009> That's what I'm making, actually. A simple program to turn romaji into hiragana or katakana.
Dec 19 02:06:56 <KGF2009> No kanji yet.
Dec 19 02:12:30 <dawm> http://media.io/  <-- great site
Dec 19 02:12:36 <dawm> online audio conversion
Dec 19 02:13:13 <KGF2009> Can you select text from a disabled TextField?
Dec 19 02:13:17 <torchie> prisencolinensinainciusol
Dec 19 02:13:19 <torchie> ALL RIGHT
Dec 19 02:14:09 <dawm> nice
Dec 19 02:14:20 <dawm> gmail keeps track of account access
Dec 19 02:14:32 <dawm> it just notified me that they thought someone else was accessing my account
Dec 19 02:14:50 <dawm> was just me logging into youtube thru my tivo (tivo proxy's the connection)
Dec 19 02:15:05 <Tman> is there anything about this test plugin that could possibly be causing webOS/Luna to crash? http://webos.pastebin.com/Dne1Zicf
Dec 19 02:15:07 <dawm> purty nice
Dec 19 02:16:28 <viSolix> you should tweet that dawm.. :)
Dec 19 02:16:42 <viSolix> was it a text msg? or just a popup?
Dec 19 02:17:06 <viSolix> the notification i mean..
Dec 19 02:17:11 <dawm> not really a popup
Dec 19 02:17:18 <viSolix> on your tivo?
Dec 19 02:17:19 <dawm> but a red banner notification at the top
Dec 19 02:17:22 <dawm> no in gmail
Dec 19 02:17:30 <viSolix> ohohh, ok.. yeah, that is cool
Dec 19 02:17:33 <dawm> i logged into youtube on my tivo which logs me into my google account
Dec 19 02:17:40 <viSolix> right
Dec 19 02:17:43 <dawm> which is proxied thru tivo i guess
Dec 19 02:17:54 <dawm> United States (CA) (tivo.com:204.176.49.45)
Dec 19 02:18:13 <viSolix> yeah look like it.. that is good though
Dec 19 02:18:16 <viSolix> hey bbl
Dec 19 02:19:23 <dawm> i twatted it :P
Dec 19 02:28:16 <viSolix> woohoo.. tabassco spiced slim jims... dem the best.. :D
Dec 19 02:29:54 <dawm> http://www.hemispheregames.com/2010/12/18/the-russian/
Dec 19 02:29:55 <dawm> nice
Dec 19 02:31:35 <dawm> i wonder if i should go with 8bit graphics since i plan on using 8bit sounds
Dec 19 02:34:19 <viSolix> so i see conflicting opinions if it is actually beneficial (now) to install the "block aGPS server for Verizon"... anyone have an idea?
Dec 19 02:37:09 <dawm> ugh
Dec 19 02:37:31 <dawm> i just realized this game is similar to another popcap game.. now im gonna look like im stealing from them ;p
Dec 19 02:39:02 <kesne> Hey all
Dec 19 02:39:09 <kesne> I have a quick JS question
Dec 19 02:39:14 <kesne> anybody around to answer it?
Dec 19 02:39:41 <dawm> no we've all left for the day
Dec 19 02:39:47 <kesne> Hah!
Dec 19 02:41:50 <SineOt> Wrr.
Dec 19 02:42:03 <SineOt> I think it's an issue with Prototype's Ajax.request
Dec 19 02:42:27 <kesne> So, I've got an object, villo
Dec 19 02:42:33 <kesne> And I want to add on to it dynamically
Dec 19 02:42:49 <kesne> So I want to add villo.e.demo
Dec 19 02:42:53 <kesne> How would I do that
Dec 19 02:43:59 <dawm> uhh
Dec 19 02:44:03 <dawm> add?
Dec 19 02:44:17 <kesne> Yeah
Dec 19 02:44:22 <dawm> is it static?
Dec 19 02:44:32 <kesne> Can you elaborate on what you mean?
Dec 19 02:44:39 <kesne> It's just villo = {}
Dec 19 02:45:05 <dawm> you could do villo = { e: {demo: true} };
Dec 19 02:45:14 <kesne> But I need to add it on-the-fly
Dec 19 02:45:24 <dawm> this.e = { demo: true };
Dec 19 02:45:28 <dawm> from within villo
Dec 19 02:45:29 <halfhalo> villo.e={demo:"HIPPIE"};
Dec 19 02:46:14 <kesne> It won't always be demo though
Dec 19 02:46:18 <kesne> It's passed in a param
Dec 19 02:47:13 <halfhalo> villo.e={}; villo.e['blah']="foo"
Dec 19 02:47:25 <dawm> will .e always exist?
Dec 19 02:47:30 <dawm> aka static
Dec 19 02:47:35 <kesne> yes
Dec 19 02:48:21 <kesne> halfhalo: Ah, that's right!
Dec 19 02:48:24 <kesne> Thanks!
Dec 19 02:50:29 <SineOt> Nothing gets you in the mood to code more than a JERSEY SHORE MARATHON :V
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