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Dec 20 03:02:58 <fahhem> SineOt: how'd the async vs non-blocking test go?
Dec 20 03:03:11 <SineOt> oh huh, hah
Dec 20 03:03:16 <SineOt> got distracted by TV
Dec 20 03:03:37 <SineOt> to catch a predator marathon P:
Dec 20 03:04:14 <fahhem> does that mean a bunch of pedos running away from cameras?
Dec 20 03:04:31 <fahhem> or were they separated by commercial breaks?
Dec 20 03:05:01 <SineOt> it's in Riverside, lol
Dec 20 03:05:46 <fahhem> totally google maps'ing that
Dec 20 03:06:30 <SineOt> it's uh yeahhh
Dec 20 03:06:49 <fahhem> lol
Dec 20 03:06:49 <SineOt> fahhem: oops, failureeee
Dec 20 03:06:56 <SineOt> seems the API can't handle that many updates at once
Dec 20 03:09:02 <fahhem> does it freeze?
Dec 20 03:09:16 <fahhem> or does it miss some?
Dec 20 03:09:28 <SineOt> misses some
Dec 20 03:09:46 <fahhem> how did you test it? send key requests to your boxee?
Dec 20 03:09:57 <SineOt> yup
Dec 20 03:10:02 <fahhem> i'd have a look at how the iPhone handles it... maybe it has its own virtual keyboard?
Dec 20 03:10:21 <SineOt> I'm not really sure how the iPhone handles it
Dec 20 03:10:37 <SineOt> I thought of doing it key by key but then it'd have issues where you mistype and need to backspace
Dec 20 03:10:50 <SineOt> because the backspace trips up the code I was using to step through the string
Dec 20 03:11:17 <fahhem> why can't you just check if the textbox returned a shorter new string than old string?
Dec 20 03:11:41 <fahhem> btw, you should hide the textbox so users don't try to insert characters, which that API definitely doesn't handle
Dec 20 03:12:07 <SineOt> hm, that might be easier... If it's shorter, send a backspace, otherwise continue
Dec 20 03:12:44 <SineOt> at least I know that I can make a functional while loop!
Dec 20 03:17:16 <fahhem> while(1) { alert('ALERT BOMB'); };
Dec 20 03:20:13 <SineOt> hm, wonder how to store the old length. Cookie?
Dec 20 03:20:47 <fahhem> why not a variable?
Dec 20 03:21:07 <fahhem> Cookies and such are for between-run storage
Dec 20 03:21:09 <Tman> is there any way to keep the screen from dimming or blanking in an app that isn't fullscreen?
Dec 20 03:21:20 <SineOt> would that get stored across calls to the function?
Dec 20 03:21:25 <SineOt> as long as I wasn't storing it?
Dec 20 03:21:28 <SineOt> er, changing it?
Dec 20 03:21:37 <fahhem> Tman: probably look at the code for AlwaysOn or whatever the open source equivalent is?
Dec 20 03:22:23 <fahhem> i'm not too sure, but as long as the variable is available in the scope of the callback functions, it should be fine
Dec 20 03:22:36 <fahhem> you could store it as an attribute of the class using self as well
Dec 20 03:22:53 <Tman> ah found it, blockScreenTimeout in Mojo.Controller.StageController.setWindowProperties
Dec 20 03:22:57 <SineOt> yeah
Dec 20 03:23:05 <SineOt> blockScreenTimeout will keep it on
Dec 20 03:23:53 <SineOt> fahhem: well, hrm. I'll try it out
Dec 20 03:24:10 <Tman> I knew it was there, just couldn't find the page for StageController
Dec 20 03:25:07 <fahhem> if you block the timeout, does it unblock itself on exit or do you have to unblock it?
Dec 20 03:25:24 <SineOt> it unblocks itself whenever the application is not in the foreground
Dec 20 03:25:34 <SineOt> so if it's zoomed out or if it's running in the background
Dec 20 03:26:12 <Tman> yeah
Dec 20 03:27:00 <fahhem> oh, that's a good idea
Dec 20 03:28:35 <SineOt> hm, how in code do I change the attribute on the widget?
Dec 20 03:32:36 <fahhem> well, you have two options
Dec 20 03:33:01 <fahhem> you can store it in instance that starts the listening, or in the instance that sends the events
Dec 20 03:34:03 <SineOt> I think I'll just try doing it with a var
Dec 20 03:34:56 <fahhem> sorry, it's confusing since i don't know what the model variable is in the event signature
Dec 20 03:35:31 <fahhem> it says "{model:model, property:property, value:value, oldValue: oldValue, originalEvent: originalEvent}", but is the model the actual text field or what?
Dec 20 03:35:52 <SineOt> yeah, hence my trying this
Dec 20 03:36:04 <SineOt> Dunno, I wasn't able to dump all of it to JSON because it's apparently massive
Dec 20 03:37:03 <fahhem> i guess you could just fake having it
Dec 20 03:37:50 <fahhem> in the callback, do: if (!model.lastlength) model.lastlength=0; else model.lastlength+=1;
Dec 20 03:38:18 <fahhem> sorry, you have the oldValue already, why can't you just compare value.length<=oldValue.length ?
Dec 20 03:38:50 <SineOt> because I'm a dingdong and totally forgot that exists, HURF. A. DURF.
Dec 20 03:39:31 <fahhem> same here!
Dec 20 03:39:48 <SineOt> this is my first time really using the text field widgets
Dec 20 03:41:18 <SineOt> was trying to figure out why palm-install wasn't finding any devices... then realized it had hard locked :/
Dec 20 03:41:24 <SineOt> POWER WIGGLE TIME
Dec 20 03:42:10 <fahhem> power wiggle time?
Dec 20 03:57:58 <SineOt> hold power button, wiggle the mute switch on and off over and over
Dec 20 03:58:00 <SineOt> it'll reboot
Dec 20 03:58:39 <fahhem> umm... how is that more effective than taking the battery out?
Dec 20 03:59:18 <SineOt> saves me the hassle of popping the back of my Pre off?
Dec 20 03:59:30 <SineOt> and lets it at least "kind of" cleanly shut down unlike a battery pull
Dec 20 04:00:05 <SineOt> you know, personally? I think the Pixi has a better screen than the Pre, even if the Pixi is a lower resolution
Dec 20 04:00:16 <SineOt> the capacitive touch layer on the Pre is so obvious it's almost distracting
Dec 20 04:01:00 <fahhem> the huge distance between your finger and the actual light-emitting part?
Dec 20 04:01:47 <fahhem> it's probably due to the curved screen, since the touch layers are pretty thin on their own
Dec 20 04:01:57 <SineOt> no, the diamond shaped pattern
Dec 20 04:02:20 <SineOt> there's about a 2 pixel large dot at the corners of each diamond + the diamond itself
Dec 20 04:02:29 <SineOt> it's kind of annoying because it's WAY visible
Dec 20 04:03:38 <fahhem> what are you talking about?
Dec 20 04:03:46 <Spanska> I'm wondering too..
Dec 20 04:03:48 <SineOt> (if you can't see it, next time you're out in the sun put your phone at an angle in the sunlight, and you'll see it)
Dec 20 04:04:07 <Spanska> oh, I know now.. I think I've seen that on other devices
Dec 20 04:04:07 <fahhem> i have a feeling you might have dead pixels in a weird pattern :P
Dec 20 04:04:28 <SineOt> Nah, it's the capacitive layer
Dec 20 04:04:33 <fahhem> where should i look for it? middle of the screen? the four sides?
Dec 20 04:04:36 <Spanska> fahhem: I see it here right now
Dec 20 04:04:42 <SineOt> Anywhere. It covers the entire screen
Dec 20 04:04:51 <Spanska> with dots between the diamonds.. heh
Dec 20 04:04:55 <SineOt> Yup
Dec 20 04:05:28 <fahhem> so small diamonds? roughly how many? 2 or like 20?
Dec 20 04:05:31 <Spanska> fahhem: if you have a screen protector, you probably won't see it.. I can see it by pulling the factory one here
Dec 20 04:05:46 <fahhem> no protector
Dec 20 04:05:50 <Spanska> I would think they are almost a squared centimeter big
Dec 20 04:05:58 <SineOt> uh, dunno. It's probably 6-8 across, then runs the entire screen's surface
Dec 20 04:06:03 <SineOt> it's the layer that detects your fingers
Dec 20 04:06:28 <Spanska> one half, six complete ones then another half
Dec 20 04:06:33 <SineOt> Yeah, it's about a square centimeter.
Dec 20 04:06:45 <fahhem> i understand what the capacitive layer is, but i've never seen any proof of its existence like that
Dec 20 04:06:58 <SineOt> angle your phone in the sun and it'll show up~
Dec 20 04:07:13 <Spanska> or just in inside light ;)
Dec 20 04:07:28 <SineOt> sunlight makes it like, glaring obviously
Dec 20 04:07:45 <fahhem> screen on or off?
Dec 20 04:07:59 <Spanska> off
Dec 20 04:08:02 <SineOt> Either or.
Dec 20 04:08:13 <SineOt> I can see the dots at the corners of the diamonds with the screen on.
Dec 20 04:08:14 <Spanska> well, I can see it when my screen is locked
Dec 20 04:08:18 <SineOt> Which is what bugs me. P:
Dec 20 04:09:53 <rwhitby-pre> power wiggle does a filesystem sync. a catastrophic power failure caused by a battery pull does not.
Dec 20 04:10:31 <SineOt> heh, morning rwhitby-pre
Dec 20 04:10:36 <rwhitby-pre> an unrecoverable filesystem error on boot causes a complete system wipe with no confirmation
Dec 20 04:10:43 <fahhem> weird... i really can't see such a thing
Dec 20 04:10:53 <fahhem> oh... okay...
Dec 20 04:11:01 <SineOt> yeah, try it in sunlight fahhem
Dec 20 04:11:19 <SineOt> when you get the angle right (like 15-25 degrees) it'll basically light up like a christmas tree
Dec 20 04:11:21 <fahhem> i'm going to quote you, rwhitby-pre, on the inside of my battery holder
Dec 20 04:11:42 <fahhem> i guess i'll try it tomorrow since it's 8pm here
Dec 20 04:12:43 <SineOt> whatever is in the Pixi is a different layout
Dec 20 04:12:58 <SineOt> I'm curious if the Pre2 uses a similar digitizer
Dec 20 04:20:04 <SineOt> Any XBMC/Boxee testers in the mood to test keyboard input?
Dec 20 04:26:01 <Spanska> is it possible to install XBMC on Windows 7?
Dec 20 04:31:22 <SineOt> Mmhm.
Dec 20 04:31:30 <SineOt> Although on Windows and OSX, I prefer Boxee.
Dec 20 04:31:52 <SineOt> Which is basically a new front end on XBMC...
Dec 20 04:33:57 <SineOt> but depends on how media centric you are I suppose~
Dec 20 04:36:15 <rsanchez1> hello
Dec 20 04:36:23 <fahhem> hello rsanchez1
Dec 20 04:36:50 <rsanchez1> I'm about to buy a lot of Pre accessories on amazon, wanted to get some feedback
Dec 20 04:37:32 <rsanchez1> I'm getting a spare battery, a touchstone and a touchstone cover for Pre
Dec 20 04:37:47 <fahhem> your pre didn't come with the touchstone cover?
Dec 20 04:37:47 <rsanchez1> is $25 good with shipping included?
Dec 20 04:37:53 <fahhem> for all three?
Dec 20 04:37:56 <rsanchez1> eyah
Dec 20 04:37:59 <fahhem> yeah, that's a great deal
Dec 20 04:37:59 <rsanchez1> yeah*
Dec 20 04:38:06 <rsanchez1> I don't think it came with a touchstone cover
Dec 20 04:38:07 <fahhem> at least, was a couple months ago
Dec 20 04:38:14 <SineOt> The Pre- doesn't
Dec 20 04:38:19 <SineOt> Both Pre+ do
Dec 20 04:38:22 <rsanchez1> yeah it's a Pre-
Dec 20 04:38:26 <fahhem> oh ok
Dec 20 04:38:49 <rsanchez1> I found them all on heavy discount on amazon, so might as well
Dec 20 04:38:54 <fahhem> yeah, the touchstone itself is $20 from the store, though probably cheaper on amazon
Dec 20 04:38:59 <fahhem> got a link? :)
Dec 20 04:39:38 <rsanchez1> hold on
Dec 20 04:39:54 <rsanchez1> battery: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002CMITYI/ref=ord_cart_shr?ie=UTF8&m=AF0IV09EG6WKO
Dec 20 04:40:04 <rsanchez1> touchstone cover: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002CZQ2JY/ref=ord_cart_shr?ie=UTF8&m=AJ893KNV8ME5K
Dec 20 04:40:17 <rsanchez1> touchstone charging dock: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002CMEIWK/ref=ord_cart_shr?ie=UTF8&m=A3PUKTJIAB9Y0H
Dec 20 04:40:45 <fahhem> whoah, that's some crazy discounts
Dec 20 04:40:50 <rsanchez1> I chose new for all three
Dec 20 04:40:56 <rsanchez1> hopefully it's new...
Dec 20 04:41:37 <fahhem> well, the original prices seem more like marketing lies
Dec 20 04:41:59 <fahhem> but the actual prices seem legit
Dec 20 04:43:41 <rsanchez1> well, the touchstone kit from HP costs $50
Dec 20 04:43:48 <rsanchez1> so it's already %50 off
Dec 20 04:43:53 <rsanchez1> then throw in the battery
Dec 20 04:44:15 <rsanchez1> just because it sucks having to stop and charge your battery somewhere at universal studios
Dec 20 04:45:18 <rsanchez1> alright, placed my order
Dec 20 04:45:27 <rsanchez1> they're all estimated to arrive before new years
Dec 20 04:46:12 <rsanchez1> thanks for the feedback
Dec 20 04:47:16 <Spanska> oh.. another calendar limitation.. that sucks
Dec 20 04:47:26 <rsanchez1> actually it looks like HP only ships the dock, not the cover for $50
Dec 20 04:47:44 <fahhem> Spanska: what's the limitation?
Dec 20 04:48:00 <rsanchez1> touchstone cover is an extra $20
Dec 20 04:48:23 <Spanska> fahhem: I'm working on a app to create known holiday events automatically and I apparently cannot create an event on ex: last Friday every 12 months
Dec 20 04:48:49 <Spanska> fahhem: I can do it on the 5th Friday though, but not the last one of the month.. strange.. I'll see if the 5th one works in every case
Dec 20 04:49:06 <rsanchez1> that's weird
Dec 20 04:49:31 <rsanchez1> can you do it on a saturday right after the Friday in the same month?
Dec 20 04:49:50 <Spanska> not using an rrule
Dec 20 04:49:57 <Spanska> which is the actual limitation
Dec 20 04:50:11 <Spanska> maybe it's because of the negative sign in the rrule
Dec 20 04:50:15 <rsanchez1> the calendar just likes taking the last friday of the month every 12 months off
Dec 20 04:50:22 <rsanchez1> no events on that day, just relaxation
Dec 20 04:50:26 <fahhem> weird, they had that sort of stuff in PalmOS
Dec 20 04:50:26 <Spanska> haha
Dec 20 04:50:49 <Spanska> there are a lot of stuff that aren't there anymore in webOS, unfortunately
Dec 20 04:50:53 <Spanska> like recurring tasks..
Dec 20 04:51:02 <Spanska> I can't believe they didn't put this
Dec 20 04:51:15 <fahhem> hey, make it a patch O:)
Dec 20 04:51:27 <rsanchez1> patch it up!
Dec 20 04:51:35 <rsanchez1> I've been wanting to get into patch development
Dec 20 04:51:47 <rsanchez1> mainly because I want an easy way to delete multiple emails at once
Dec 20 04:52:05 <Spanska> well.. I'm still new to JS..
Dec 20 04:52:22 <Spanska> and I definitely need to get a paid app first to get some money at least
Dec 20 04:52:31 <fahhem> i wasn't too serious, since that would limit your app to only homebrew users with your patch
Dec 20 04:52:37 <Spanska> yeah..
Dec 20 04:52:45 <rsanchez1> it could be a bonus feature
Dec 20 04:52:51 <fahhem> well, you could calculate the last friday of the year, no?
Dec 20 04:53:17 <fahhem> then just set a huge timeout to make any new events once a day
Dec 20 04:53:23 <Spanska> I'll see what happens with months with no 5th Friday, when the last one is the 4th one.. I'll see how webOS acts
Dec 20 04:54:18 <rsanchez1> you should probably swing by the developer forums and post it as a bug
Dec 20 04:54:25 <fahhem> so you make holidays for the next year and a month
Dec 20 04:54:58 <Spanska> yeah, they should follow rrules because they say they support them
Dec 20 04:55:16 <Spanska> "how" they support them might be another story
Dec 20 04:55:16 <fahhem> one feature that would be useful for weirdly-recurring tasks (such as ones that depend on the moon cycles) would be to have a callback from the calendar for when users view a new page
Dec 20 04:58:00 <Spanska> ok so when there is no 5th Friday, the event is not there at all that month
Dec 20 04:58:29 <Spanska> I guess I'll just not use an rrule, as with Easter and other similarly complicated holidays hehe
Dec 20 04:58:30 <fahhem> oh, try -1 instead of 5
Dec 20 04:58:38 <Spanska> I did already
Dec 20 04:58:41 <Spanska> -1FR actually
Dec 20 04:58:47 <fahhem> so how do you setup easter?
Dec 20 04:59:02 <Spanska> using an algorithm I found on the web
Dec 20 04:59:17 <fahhem> no, not for finding the day, but adding it to the calendar?
Dec 20 04:59:29 <Spanska> oh, using regular API calls
Dec 20 04:59:42 <Spanska> createEvent or something
Dec 20 04:59:43 <fahhem> sorry, more miscommunication
Dec 20 04:59:59 <fahhem> do you make it for the next 100 years? or how many events do you make?
Dec 20 05:00:12 <Spanska> oh, yeah this is based on preferences in the app
Dec 20 05:00:23 <fahhem> oh ok
Dec 20 05:00:31 <Spanska> by default, I chose from this year and for the next following 10 years
Dec 20 05:00:41 <fahhem> yeah, if the calendar had a callback, you could see if they went into a new year and make events for that year
Dec 20 05:00:44 <Spanska> considering webOS might be all different in 10 years anyways ;)
Dec 20 05:01:23 <Spanska> I'll post my app soon, I still want to add some features.. it'll be free and I might make it open source too, I'm still thinking about this
Dec 20 05:01:37 <fahhem> yeah, there was more long-term based apps in PalmOS since you could take all your data with you to your next device
Dec 20 05:02:05 <fahhem> i guess the PalmCloud does the same, but there's a huge disconnect between Palm's previous users and new users
Dec 20 05:02:18 <Spanska> oh, midnight already, gotta get some sleep, it'll be hard to wake-up at 6:45 for my real job tomorrow!
Dec 20 05:02:27 <Spanska> yeah, so many differences
Dec 20 05:02:42 <Spanska> a different way of thinking about how to use our devices
Dec 20 05:02:51 <Spanska> good night!
Dec 20 05:03:51 <rsanchez1> good night
Dec 20 05:04:05 <fahhem> night!
Dec 20 05:06:18 <SineOt> hm, $('textfield').mojo.focus() should focus on a text field, no?
Dec 20 05:12:22 <SineOt> man Iron Chef, secret ingredient "sugar?" Where's the challenge in that
Dec 20 05:13:32 <bpadalino> make sugar savory
Dec 20 05:13:36 <RagingMind> SineOt, that actually sounds interesting
Dec 20 05:13:59 <SineOt> It's got Paula Deen. She's basically just making murder in edible forms.
Dec 20 05:14:33 <SineOt> Man, the hell is with this. .focus() 'almost' focuses the text field but it doesn't actually
Dec 20 05:14:44 <RagingMind> Paula Dean on Iron Chef?!
Dec 20 05:14:49 <SineOt> Yes.
Dec 20 05:15:04 <SineOt> She teamed up with Cat Cora.
Dec 20 05:15:50 <SineOt> If I remember correctly she makes these... Things. Dipped in butter. After making them with a ton of butter. And then rolling them in sugar.
Dec 20 05:17:09 <SineOt> Yeah cheese fudgeballs that are full of cheese and butter then she dips them in butter.
Dec 20 05:17:15 <SineOt> She freaking LOVES butter.
Dec 20 05:17:36 <SineOt> Okay, so halps with this .focus() problem yeah?
Dec 20 05:18:02 <SineOt> I need to hide the text field, so having it auto focus is super important.
Dec 20 05:23:26 <SineOt> Well that's stupid.
Dec 20 05:23:42 <SineOt> event.stopPropagation(); is needed before focus will work.
Dec 20 05:25:16 <fahhem> hmm, how about allowing the textfield to visible, but zIndex behind some other background-color'd div?
Dec 20 05:25:53 <fahhem> so its not considered invisible, but the user can't see it
Dec 20 05:26:51 <SineOt> mm, dunno how that'd be easier than just display: none; :p
Dec 20 05:27:16 <SineOt> I got it figured out... It apparently (stupidly, I might add) requires a event.stopPropagation(); call BEFORE .focus() will start functioning.
Dec 20 05:27:24 <SineOt> Which is just... So stupid.
Dec 20 05:28:02 <SineOt> Now to figure out why XBMC takes some weird characters as being -movement- and not keyboard entries
Dec 20 05:28:20 <fahhem> what's the event that you're running the .focus() on?
Dec 20 05:29:03 <SineOt> My text field.
Dec 20 05:29:11 <SineOt> Which, logically, you'd imagine would work.
Dec 20 05:29:33 <fahhem> what's the actual event?
Dec 20 05:29:39 <SineOt> A button tap.
Dec 20 05:32:30 * SineOt headscratches.
Dec 20 05:32:58 <fahhem> oh, so you focus the textfield on every keypress?
Dec 20 05:33:21 <fahhem> oh sorry, button tap => on screen button
Dec 20 05:33:37 <SineOt> No, just on the initial button press to bring up the "keyboard" entry screen.
Dec 20 05:33:49 <SineOt> Oddly enough, it seems that .charCodeAt has... Some issues.
Dec 20 05:34:30 <SineOt> It identifies & as key 38, which is up arrow, and not as an &
Dec 20 05:39:16 <SineOt> and odd one is L, which gets identified as enter :T
Dec 20 05:43:15 <fahhem> maybe you're clumsily hitting the wrong key?
Dec 20 05:43:17 <fahhem> :P
Dec 20 05:43:30 <fahhem> wait, up arrow?!
Dec 20 05:43:40 <fahhem> there's no up arrow on a pre or pixi
Dec 20 05:43:56 <SineOt> Exactly!
Dec 20 05:44:05 <SineOt> And no, I checked it. Although I think it might be an issue with the API.
Dec 20 05:44:38 <fahhem> hmm, maybe pre's charcodes aren't the most system-agnostic...
Dec 20 05:44:42 <SineOt> Lowercase l is 108, API calls for that to be added with 61696... Which gives you 61804. Which is what enter maps to with the API
Dec 20 05:44:54 <fahhem> oh, its the API?
Dec 20 05:45:27 <SineOt> It has to be, because this doesn't make sense otherwise!
Dec 20 05:46:30 <SineOt> But why enter (13, or 61709 API) maps to l (108, or 61804 API) map to the same function, wtf.
Dec 20 06:03:05 <fahhem> is there a description of what things map to or do you keep sending them yourself?
Dec 20 06:04:06 <SineOt> Well, reading the documentation, to send a virtual keyboard event, you set your button code to 0xF100 in hex, and add the key's ASCII value.
Dec 20 06:04:34 <SineOt> 0xF100 is 61696. So 108 should add to that and work fine.
Dec 20 06:04:40 <SineOt> But... It doesn't.
Dec 20 06:22:20 <fahhem> so the documentation doesn't say what 0xF16C maps to, you just know that when you put 108 (0x6C) in, you get an enter?
Dec 20 06:23:27 <SineOt> correct
Dec 20 06:36:11 <SineOt> Well then.
Dec 20 06:36:15 <SineOt> Seems it's a problem with the API.
Dec 20 06:36:21 <SineOt> And since the API is depreciated... :/
Dec 20 06:36:49 <fahhem> http://jira.boxee.tv/browse/BOXEE-4639?focusedCommentId=25126&page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels%3Acomment-tabpanel
Dec 20 06:37:25 <fahhem> you need a version of boxee newer than that i guess
Dec 20 06:37:41 <SineOt> Ah, looking at it, it works in Boxee but not XBMC
Dec 20 06:39:29 <fahhem> i guess when you run the discovery request and find the version of the boxee system, you can store it and make sure they don't try to press 'l' except on boxee or XBMC versions before and after the regression
Dec 20 06:41:15 <SineOt> I think the easiest would just be to remove the keyboard support in general
Dec 20 06:44:30 <SineOt> Actually I'll just caps lock it all. P:
Dec 20 06:44:34 <SineOt> PORBLEM SOLVED.
Dec 20 06:44:57 <fahhem> except for spelling
Dec 20 06:45:40 <SineOt> Most of the entry will be for movie titles or searches, so I don't think it'll matter too much
Dec 20 07:29:02 <SineOt> mugen-, guess what lol
Dec 20 07:29:09 <mugen-> ?
Dec 20 07:29:11 <SineOt> I have keyboard working
Dec 20 07:29:14 <mugen-> :D
Dec 20 07:29:22 <mugen-> bin me
Dec 20 07:29:26 <mugen-> err wiat
Dec 20 07:29:30 <SineOt> but the HTTP API is screwed
Dec 20 07:29:35 <SineOt> so lower case L doesn't work :T
Dec 20 07:29:39 <mugen-> what do you mean?
Dec 20 07:29:46 <SineOt> you can't type lower case l
Dec 20 07:29:52 <mugen-> nono i get that
Dec 20 07:29:58 <mugen-> that was pretty straight forward :P
Dec 20 07:30:03 <mugen-> why is the api screwed?
Dec 20 07:30:15 <SineOt> because sending a lower case l doens't work
Dec 20 07:30:35 <fahhem> well, it does, it's an enter instead in certain versions of XBMC
Dec 20 07:30:40 <SineOt> yeah
Dec 20 07:30:42 <SineOt> basically
Dec 20 07:30:46 <mugen-> ah
Dec 20 07:31:03 <SineOt> and &, %, (
Dec 20 07:31:07 <SineOt> so... if you don't need those!
Dec 20 07:31:10 <SineOt> it's good to go
Dec 20 07:31:53 <mugen-> hehe... k
Dec 20 07:31:54 <SineOt> let me get the UI looking better
Dec 20 07:32:00 <mugen-> alright
Dec 20 07:32:09 <mugen-> oh check this out... off topic
Dec 20 07:32:40 <mugen-> https://itservices.stanford.edu/service/websearch --- I like the second feature ;)
Dec 20 07:32:47 <SineOt> brb
Dec 20 07:32:59 <mugen-> http://infolab.stanford.edu/~sergey/
Dec 20 07:33:44 <mugen-> it's crazy to look at the Google comment near the bottom, where it comes off more as a plaything
Dec 20 07:33:50 <Tman> is alpha-blending using pure canvas going to be hardware accelerated?
Dec 20 07:34:04 <mugen-> if only he knew back in the day what google was going to becom
Dec 20 07:35:20 <fahhem> is that the original Google logo? awesome
Dec 20 07:36:48 <Tman> pretty cool
Dec 20 07:50:19 <mugen-> yeah, that's the og logo.
Dec 20 07:59:32 <SineOt> okay, so yeah, mugen-
Dec 20 07:59:43 <mugen-> ?
Dec 20 08:00:03 <SineOt> let me get the keyboard UI finished
Dec 20 08:00:07 <SineOt> and I'lls end you an IPK
Dec 20 08:00:33 <SineOt> actually for that matter I have no idea how I should impliment the UI for this
Dec 20 08:00:48 <SineOt> man I'll do this tomorrow, my brain is roasted
Dec 20 08:01:21 <SineOt> mugen- do you have an email address? I'll just send it to you when I get it done
Dec 20 08:30:21 * oil watched old tron in preparation for watching new tron
Dec 20 08:33:19 * oil forgot how awesome it was :)
Dec 20 09:03:00 <fahhem> lol, AT&T in a TV ad right now, used what looks like an iPhone as an example of a phone on a different network that gets you updates late
Dec 20 09:10:42 <swisstomcat> morning
Dec 20 11:49:01 <leo42_> good morning
Dec 20 11:50:19 <hotdp> Morning
Dec 20 11:53:50 <fahhem> morn'
Dec 20 12:30:43 <swisstomcat> afternoon
Dec 20 12:30:55 <fahhem> afternoon
Dec 20 12:31:15 <fahhem> (obviously, it's not morning nor afternoon here, but i'm a crowd pleaser)
Dec 20 12:31:40 <swisstomcat> it's always afternoon somewhere
Dec 20 12:34:17 <Workenhaven> to drink?
Dec 20 12:37:47 <olaf> hi all
Dec 20 12:38:21 <fahhem> hello
Dec 20 12:38:24 <hotdp> swisstomcat long tim eno see?
Dec 20 12:38:56 <olaf> Finally I was able to activate my Palm Pre2 in an official country (germany, I live in netherlands)
Dec 20 12:39:05 <olaf> am getting used to the device after using it for a day
Dec 20 12:39:18 <olaf> is there a place to report bugs?
Dec 20 12:39:37 <hotdp> for webos 2.0 ?
Dec 20 12:39:40 <olaf> yea
Dec 20 12:39:46 <hotdp> early access forum
Dec 20 12:39:55 <rwhitby> 2.0 is released
Dec 20 12:40:02 <rwhitby> report them anywhere you like
Dec 20 12:40:03 <fahhem> that's for dev's, is your bug app based?
Dec 20 12:40:17 <hotdp> rwhitby oki, did not know
Dec 20 12:40:20 <fahhem> or is the OS itself acting funny?
Dec 20 12:40:27 <rwhitby> hotdp: it's on devices that are being sold
Dec 20 12:40:33 <hotdp> i knew that
Dec 20 12:40:36 <hotdp> ;)
Dec 20 12:40:42 <hotdp> but thought it
Dec 20 12:40:43 <olaf> no, I use it as my company phone, but the contact app does not allow me to add * and # in a phone number
Dec 20 12:40:52 <rwhitby> therefore bugs in those devices can be reported in normal channels
Dec 20 12:40:59 <hotdp> roger
Dec 20 12:41:21 <olaf> and I need those to dial conference numbers
Dec 20 12:41:31 <fahhem> olaf: at different hours this would probably be an okay place to report such bugs
Dec 20 12:41:59 <fahhem> otherwise, there are developer forums where you can open up bug threads
Dec 20 12:42:14 <olaf> I prefer to report it somewhere where i can follow the bug, ie bugzilla, forum, etc
Dec 20 12:42:14 <fahhem> not sure what a non-dev would do with a bug, i guess blog about it? :)
Dec 20 12:43:34 <fahhem> i think this is it: http://forums.palm.com/t5/webOS-Software/bd-p/webossoftware
Dec 20 12:43:51 <fahhem> there are a lot of bugs there, you can always follow the thread if you just want emails about updates
Dec 20 12:44:20 <hotdp> swisstomcat did you read my email?
Dec 20 12:44:38 <swisstomcat> yeah, just now :)
Dec 20 12:44:58 <hotdp> Can you answer it :P
Dec 20 12:46:34 <fahhem> secrets hurt feelings guy :P
Dec 20 12:55:26 <olaf> fahhem: thanks for the pointers
Dec 20 12:55:52 <leiru> morning.
Dec 20 12:56:09 <fahhem> np, olaf
Dec 20 12:56:28 <leiru> my view is always scrolling to the textfield at the bottom at the scene.
Dec 20 12:56:40 <leiru> :(
Dec 20 12:56:56 <leiru> focus and autofocus are both false
Dec 20 12:56:58 <fahhem> can you provide some background on it?
Dec 20 12:57:34 <leiru> mom
Dec 20 12:57:40 <fahhem> have you tried focus()ing another item in the view to see if its a scrolling or focus issue?
Dec 20 12:57:48 <fahhem> dad?
Dec 20 13:01:11 <leiru> http://pastebin.com/zVF9Mwdw && http://pastebin.com/1ZaTcuZ0
Dec 20 13:01:37 <leiru> i tried to focus first item in the list, did not work
Dec 20 13:02:23 <fahhem> oh, so it focuses the last textfield in a list of multiple textfields (nd labels)?
Dec 20 13:02:25 <fahhem> and*
Dec 20 13:03:23 <fahhem> so you shouldn't have the same ID for multiple elements, so if you're making a list of textfields, you should only refer to them by class
Dec 20 13:05:32 <fahhem> otherwise i'm not sure why it would scroll, when does it scroll?
Dec 20 13:05:52 <fahhem> on keypress, on load, constantly?
Dec 20 13:06:00 <fahhem> leiru?
Dec 20 13:06:02 <leiru> on activate
Dec 20 13:06:08 <leiru> when the scene was pushed
Dec 20 13:06:23 <fahhem> so are there multiple textfields?
Dec 20 13:06:27 <leiru> nope
Dec 20 13:06:40 <fahhem> why do you have a list setup around it?
Dec 20 13:06:44 <leiru> i go to the scene and first what i see, is the focus at this textfield
Dec 20 13:07:10 <fahhem> it might be from the list trying to scroll to its top?
Dec 20 13:08:53 <leiru> having that issue every time i use a textfield.
Dec 20 13:09:00 <leiru> something must be wrong.
Dec 20 13:09:32 <fahhem> maybe you have some other code that causes focus() to be called?
Dec 20 13:09:45 <fahhem> or maybe something that scrolls to the bottom of the page?
Dec 20 13:10:27 <fahhem> try putting a screen or two worth of space after the textfield, does it scroll to the textfield or past it to the bottom
Dec 20 13:11:34 <leiru> theres a buttom under it. ;) it scrolls exactly to the textfield, and sets the cursor in in, ready for write.
Dec 20 13:11:40 <leiru> *button
Dec 20 13:12:12 <fahhem> try disabling more and more javascript/html until it stops scrolling
Dec 20 13:12:21 <leiru> must be a very basic issue
Dec 20 13:12:24 <leiru> ok
Dec 20 13:12:29 <leiru> i working at it :)
Dec 20 13:12:32 <fahhem> that, or if you use host mode, you can set beakpoints to make that faster
Dec 20 13:12:52 <fahhem> at the bottom: http://developer.palm.com/index.php?id=1744
Dec 20 13:13:45 <fahhem> with chrome's inspector, you can remove parts of the html and run the javascript partially, through breakpoints, without actually changing the code and needing to re-upload
Dec 20 13:15:55 <leiru> my last app did not work with it
Dec 20 13:15:58 <leiru> :/
Dec 20 13:16:10 <fahhem> with host mode?
Dec 20 13:16:17 <leiru> yep
Dec 20 13:16:33 <fahhem> i'd post that as a bug, host mode should be almost identical to the emulator
Dec 20 13:17:55 <leiru> just getting a white screen @ ubuntu. and with beta chrome went nuts ;)
Dec 20 13:18:03 <leiru> on the other hand, style matters app works
Dec 20 13:18:07 <leiru> don't know why
Dec 20 13:18:16 <leiru> but makes developing moredifficult
Dec 20 13:46:35 <leiru> fahhem: got it, had to call:
Dec 20 13:46:39 <leiru> this.controller.setInitialFocusedElement(null);
Dec 20 13:47:11 <leiru> thx for helping, talking about issues helps me alot solving them
Dec 20 15:09:49 <steve-palmer> hi there
Dec 20 15:09:51 <steve-palmer> q: is there any possibility to change the language on palm pre 2 (webos 2) to german!?
Dec 20 15:18:38 <olaf> hi steve-palmer
Dec 20 15:18:42 <steve-palmer> hi
Dec 20 15:19:01 <olaf> open the launcher and go to the 3rd card (system) and scroll down and select regional settings
Dec 20 15:19:56 <steve-palmer> and there is an option for german language !?
Dec 20 15:20:21 <olaf> language box contains Deutch as option
Dec 20 15:20:46 <olaf> +s
Dec 20 15:20:54 <steve-palmer> im asking because i want to buy a pre 2 ... and i prefer german  :)
Dec 20 15:21:46 <olaf> ah, I just clicked the option, phone is now rebooting, should be german when it starts again
Dec 20 15:22:02 <olaf> keyboard is qwerty though, not qwertz of a pre2
Dec 20 15:22:22 <olaf> jups it's now fully in German
Dec 20 15:23:01 <steve-palmer> ok, thanks a lot for this quick information ...greetings from heidelberg germany
Dec 20 15:23:53 <olaf> hehe, no problem, greetings back from thou neighbour in Enschede Netherlands :)
Dec 20 15:24:23 <steve-palmer> i have to go ...bye ;)
Dec 20 16:34:30 <KGF2009> All right.. Anyone here to help?
Dec 20 16:40:54 <KGF2009> ..Nobody?
Dec 20 16:50:53 <mugen-> what's up?
Dec 20 16:51:06 <mugen-> i'm probably not the best to help... but i can give it a shot
Dec 20 16:51:13 <KGF2009> All right, here: http://webos.pastebin.com/puSH659C
Dec 20 16:51:56 <KGF2009> The string I enter to the box 'input' is -only- 'tta' (without apostrophes) and neither method, string or regex will make the string be replaced.
Dec 20 16:52:11 <KGF2009> No errors in the log, either.
Dec 20 16:54:19 <mugen-> hmm
Dec 20 16:55:45 <Rick_work> KGF2009  gimme a minute, I'm on a support call
Dec 20 16:55:50 <KGF2009> Mmkay.
Dec 20 16:56:25 <mugen-> rick will probably help more than i can... but you said Mojo.log isn't dumping input either?
Dec 20 16:56:36 <KGF2009> No, it is.
Dec 20 16:56:49 <KGF2009> "error: tta"
Dec 20 16:56:54 <KGF2009> That's what it says.
Dec 20 16:57:06 <KGF2009> So the string is getting through, but not being replaced.
Dec 20 16:57:21 <KGF2009> The output box is given the same string in the setValue() method.
Dec 20 16:57:32 <KGF2009> So it's not the input, but the replacing.
Dec 20 16:58:06 <mugen-> yeah
Dec 20 16:59:13 <mugen-> if you axe the conditional block and just do a input.replace("tta", "somethingnew"); does it do the string replace?
Dec 20 16:59:25 <Rick_work> do something like this:  http://webos.pastebin.com/9CRqMHVe
Dec 20 16:59:32 <Rick_work> so you can see where it's messing up....
Dec 20 17:02:23 <KGF2009> You dropped one of the brackets while editing it. XD
Dec 20 17:03:33 <KGF2009> It hits Step 1 and 2, just like it should.
Dec 20 17:03:54 <KGF2009> And if I flip the switch, Steps 1 and 3.
Dec 20 17:04:12 <KGF2009> So that's working fine.
Dec 20 17:21:44 <Rick_work> so  have it putput the data in those, and put in more like that to see what happens next.  WHERE is it messing up.
Dec 20 17:22:26 <KGF2009> I know exactly where it's messing up.
Dec 20 17:22:30 <KGF2009> input.replace()
Dec 20 17:32:49 <mugen-> KGF2009, i've setup your code in a simple HelloWorld example and i'm having no troubles
Dec 20 17:33:12 <mugen-> are you saving the assistant to UTF-8?
Dec 20 17:34:08 <KGF2009> Is that a problem?
Dec 20 17:34:57 <mugen-> i don't know... but when i added your code block, eclipse wanted to save as UTF-8 before running the app
Dec 20 17:35:24 <KGF2009> I have it as UTF-8 yes. Otherwise the japanese characters turn into random things.
Dec 20 17:35:36 <mugen-> right
Dec 20 17:35:39 <InfiniteLoop> HI ALL
Dec 20 17:35:43 <InfiniteLoop> oops sorry
Dec 20 17:35:49 <mugen-> HI!
Dec 20 17:35:50 <mugen-> XD
Dec 20 17:36:04 <InfiniteLoop> had my caps lock on
Dec 20 17:36:07 <mugen-> :)
Dec 20 17:36:23 <InfiniteLoop> I have a question regarding Ares and a list widget
Dec 20 17:36:43 <InfiniteLoop> setting the list model and calling modelChanged() doesn't register at all
Dec 20 17:36:54 <InfiniteLoop> for eg:
Dec 20 17:37:31 <InfiniteLoop> Im setting the model after querying a local Storage database
Dec 20 17:38:29 <mugen-> KGF2009, http://webos.pastebin.com/in2TDnkj -- i put that in the HelloWorld sample build and it works perfect... so i dunno why you're having troubles :\ have you trying swapping out the jap characters for something like "hello" to see if that works?
Dec 20 17:38:40 <mugen-> s/trying/tried
Dec 20 17:39:48 <mugen-> InfiniteLoop, erm, you'd have to be more specific on the code in question
Dec 20 17:39:52 <mugen-> hey sine
Dec 20 17:40:05 <InfiniteLoop> trying to paste my code into pastebin
Dec 20 17:40:20 <InfiniteLoop> ares doesn't allow me to copy text and paste to a different window :)
Dec 20 17:42:39 <InfiniteLoop> this is what I have http://webos.pastebin.com/gwNgrQRw
Dec 20 17:43:04 <InfiniteLoop> I have commented out the searchLocalStations() for testing -
Dec 20 17:43:12 * KGF2009 derps.
Dec 20 17:43:19 <InfiniteLoop> setting the model in setup() also doesn't work
Dec 20 17:43:28 <KGF2009> Okay, input.replace() is different than what I thought it was.
Dec 20 17:43:43 <KGF2009> Instead of just input.replace(), I have to do: input = input.replace()
Dec 20 17:43:44 <KGF2009> x.x
Dec 20 17:43:56 <InfiniteLoop> however in other scenes I have a list widget and modelChanged() works in those scenes, except in the main scene
Dec 20 17:57:36 <hotdp> I have a mate with a Palm Pre 2. He can see the phone syncing alot and the light flashes. Do anyone know why?
Dec 20 17:58:40 <Loudergood> syncing what?
Dec 20 18:04:31 <hotdp> Google accaount
Dec 20 18:04:58 <SineOt> 2.0 just kind of does that.
Dec 20 18:07:14 <hotdp> SineOt what do you mean?
Dec 20 18:07:28 <hotdp> its suppose to blink when its syncing? I have never seen it
Dec 20 18:07:31 <SineOt> webOS 2.0.1 just likes to sync a lot
Dec 20 18:07:37 <SineOt> Never seen it blink the bar though
Dec 20 18:07:55 <hotdp> What about the Icon?
Dec 20 18:08:02 <hotdp> i only see that when i "push" a sync
Dec 20 18:08:13 <hotdp> never when its automaticy
Dec 20 18:08:31 <Loudergood> the only time I ever see a blink is when there are notifications waiting for me
Dec 20 18:08:39 <SineOt> It shows up sometimes on automatic syncs on the Pre2 from what I can tell
Dec 20 18:08:56 <hotdp> can you turn that off? the blink notification?
Dec 20 18:09:06 <hotdp> i think its strange, i have never seen it
Dec 20 18:10:42 <SineOt> should only blink with notifications and emails
Dec 20 18:11:34 <SineOt> well, and missed calls etc
Dec 20 18:11:58 <Loudergood> yeah, things it notifies you about ;)
Dec 20 18:12:50 <hotdp> yer that also the "only" times i seen it
Dec 20 18:13:02 <hotdp> so i dont understand why its different with him
Dec 20 18:17:47 <SineOt> I'd say... Doctor it P:
Dec 20 18:17:53 <SineOt> Or try removing the account and readding it
Dec 20 18:20:29 <hotdp> i tell him that
Dec 20 18:20:30 <hotdp> thx
Dec 20 18:20:42 <InfiniteLoop> found the answer - in ares the list widget needs to be inside a scroller widget
Dec 20 18:21:04 <hotdp> Do you know a virtual credit card that works with paid apps in the catalog?
Dec 20 18:27:04 <sugardave> InfiniteLoop: not just in Ares, all webview and list widgets are supposed to be in a scroller (you can probably cheat a static list without a scroller)
Dec 20 18:27:32 <InfiniteLoop> took me a while to realize that :)
Dec 20 18:27:49 <InfiniteLoop> i had just drag/dropped the list widget in Ares
Dec 20 18:28:09 <sugardave> hotdp: we have pre-paid visa cards that you can get at wal-mart here, those might work
Dec 20 18:28:19 <sugardave> but I don't know if you have wal-mart there
Dec 20 18:29:00 <sugardave> they're more like "gift" cards that you can re-load, I think
Dec 20 18:29:25 <KGF2009> Some you can.
Dec 20 18:29:32 <KGF2009> Some just have a set balance.
Dec 20 18:30:48 <Loudergood> yeah, I have a customer that loves to use one of those to pay his bill, and he always gives me a call to tell me that he's going to go reload it, before he actually calls to pay
Dec 20 18:31:52 <SineOt> I've been thinking about going crazy with scrollers.
Dec 20 18:32:09 <SineOt> 4 vertical scrollers with lists in them all set inside a horizontal snapping scroller.
Dec 20 18:32:32 <sugardave> in Mojo, horizontal scrolling snap-to is hard, but do-able
Dec 20 18:32:38 <Loudergood> trying to make your users seasick?
Dec 20 18:33:30 <hotdp> sugardave we dont have any wallmarts :/
Dec 20 18:33:45 <hotdp> sugardave: do you know any you can get online?
Dec 20 18:33:55 <SineOt> sugardave: yeah, it's a bitch, but I got it working with my Boxee remote app
Dec 20 18:34:15 <SineOt> I think the actual scroller widget is buggy though because if you flick at a certain speed it won't actually, y'know, snap
Dec 20 18:34:24 <SineOt> it'll just kind of drift around
Dec 20 18:34:44 <mugen-> SineOt, i noticed that bugginess too
Dec 20 18:35:03 <SineOt> yeah just a tiny flick and suddenly it'll snap properly
Dec 20 18:35:13 <sugardave> hotdp: wal-mart.com?  I'm not sure about it
Dec 20 18:35:14 <SineOt> I can't think of anything I'm doing in code that would cause it
Dec 20 18:35:28 <SineOt> hotdp: ask rwhitby later
Dec 20 18:35:33 <sugardave> SineOt: did you try setting snapIndex 1, then scroll to "top"?
Dec 20 18:35:41 <SineOt> he uses a prepaid US card for app purchases
Dec 20 18:36:01 <SineOt> sugardave: yeah, but I'm noticing it with other scrolls too, not just the first one
Dec 20 18:36:18 <sugardave> SineOt: I got around it somehow, but I didn't have embedded scrollers
Dec 20 18:36:47 <SineOt> I got a cool little index display thing going though. :9
Dec 20 18:36:50 <sugardave> I think I may have been micromanaging it and after so much travel, snapped to the next element
Dec 20 18:37:06 <hotdp> sugardave: thats a no go :(
Dec 20 18:37:13 <sugardave> bummer
Dec 20 18:39:25 <hotdp> :(
Dec 20 18:39:29 <hotdp> i am lost
Dec 20 18:40:09 <KGF2009> Anyone know of a site with a mobile API but no app for WebOS? I feel like making an app for an API. Dunno why.
Dec 20 18:40:50 * SineOt knows of a few, but is going to use them for himself! Mwahaha.
Dec 20 18:40:56 <hotdp> Do you mean a app that uses an api?
Dec 20 18:40:57 <KGF2009> D:
Dec 20 18:41:11 <SineOt> sugardave: yeah, I'm fine with just this tbh because at least it ends up in roughly the right place
Dec 20 18:41:12 <KGF2009> Er, yeah. I'm still sleepy, cut me some slack. XD
Dec 20 18:43:12 <sugardave> KGF2009: http://www.programmableweb.com/apis/directory
Dec 20 18:43:46 <KGF2009> Well, that works.
Dec 20 18:55:17 <olaf> hmm, has anyone else, who uses webos 2.0, seen emails with a black square as contents?
Dec 20 18:55:25 <olaf> seems some mails are not rendered correctly
Dec 20 18:56:13 <olaf> haven't figured out what those mails have in common
Dec 20 19:00:10 <sugardave> hmmm, no
Dec 20 19:04:29 <techrush> how are you using webos 2.0 ?
Dec 20 19:04:32 <techrush> dev phone ?
Dec 20 19:04:50 <SineOt> Uh, all those Pre2s that are out there? :p
Dec 20 19:04:55 <sugardave> Yeah, my Pre 2
Dec 20 19:05:07 <techrush> i didnt realize they were that widespread yet
Dec 20 19:05:25 <SineOt> They handed them out to everyone at dev days + the coupons
Dec 20 19:05:29 <techrush> cool
Dec 20 19:05:31 <HattCzech_work> sugardave: get it to work on sprint yet? ;)
Dec 20 19:05:42 <sugardave> HattCzech_work: haha, no, not doing that :D
Dec 20 19:06:03 * HattCzech_work waits patiently to replace his phone
Dec 20 19:06:05 <sugardave> it's been long since I wielded a soldering iron
Dec 20 19:06:19 <sugardave> and electronics have gotten much smaller and more cantankerous
Dec 20 19:06:26 <HattCzech_work> hahaha, i don't think any soldering is required
Dec 20 19:06:33 <sugardave> oh, well, that's good :D
Dec 20 19:06:35 <HattCzech_work> very very true
Dec 20 19:07:03 <HattCzech_work> but 2 working phones turning into 2 nice paperweights = not good :)
Dec 20 19:07:15 <sugardave> exactly
Dec 20 19:08:00 <Loudergood> yeah I haven't had the guts to try it
Dec 20 19:08:26 <HattCzech_work> neither do i, hence the waiting
Dec 20 19:08:53 <sugardave> right now I'm pleased to own one of each of the Pre family
Dec 20 19:09:10 <HattCzech_work> i'm jealous
Dec 20 19:09:14 <sugardave> one day I can do a cheesy youtube video on pre evolution
Dec 20 19:09:21 <HattCzech_work> heheh
Dec 20 19:09:27 <HattCzech_work> i do have a pre and a pre plus
Dec 20 19:09:31 <HattCzech_work> but no pre2
Dec 20 19:09:44 <sugardave> only $250!
Dec 20 19:10:03 <sugardave> it's nice and fast
Dec 20 19:10:30 <Loudergood> yeah I've got a pre plus and a pre2..the build quality difference is something that stands out too
Dec 20 19:10:36 <sugardave> I put Scan Do! on it and the audio streaming handling in 2.0 is like HOLY CRAP!!
Dec 20 19:11:11 <sugardave> in 1.4.5 it can tak 15-20 seconds to switch between streams, and it's about 4 seconds in 2.0
Dec 20 19:11:43 <Loudergood> 2.0 also supports more audio formats
Dec 20 19:11:50 <Loudergood> though I'm not exactly sure which ones
Dec 20 19:12:46 <SineOt> I wonder if it supports more video
Dec 20 19:12:58 * SineOt shakes fist at baseline profile @ level 3. ;_;
Dec 20 19:19:00 * HattCzech_work wants 2.0 on my pre
Dec 20 19:19:09 <SineOt> So Motorola will be showing off a Honeycomb Tablet at CES... So Palm better bring out the big guns.
Dec 20 19:19:10 <HattCzech_work> but i really just want a new 4g phone
Dec 20 19:19:22 <HattCzech_work> yes indeed... they better
Dec 20 19:19:26 <HattCzech_work> or this will be a short race
Dec 20 19:20:49 * sugardave wills Enyo early access to open "soon."
Dec 20 19:22:28 <Loudergood> oh that would be nice too
Dec 20 19:22:54 <Loudergood> I bet it hits right around the same time webos 2.0 for old phones rolls out
Dec 20 19:23:44 <hotdp> http://www.engadget.com/2010/12/20/verizon-teases-android-lte-hardware-for-january-6th-at-ces/ remove Android and add WebOs
Dec 20 19:27:38 <SineOt> When was developer days NY? Like November 15th or so?
Dec 20 19:28:27 <Loudergood> 19-20
Dec 20 19:28:38 * SineOt ponders things.
Dec 20 19:28:40 <hotdp> Nov 19 - 20, 2010
Dec 20 19:28:53 <SineOt> Okay. What I was thinking makes sense then.
Dec 20 19:29:14 * hotdp wonders what SineOt was thinking
Dec 20 19:29:16 <Loudergood> I really should've done my traveling to get there on friday
Dec 20 19:29:27 <sugardave> hotdp: I know, right?  What WAS that guy thinking?
Dec 20 19:30:19 <SineOt> http://twitpic.com/2vugbi/full < That the mysterious Nova-Blowfish = Enyo enabled webOS build.
Dec 20 19:31:07 <SineOt> Man I never noticed that there's a freaking "keyboardSlider": true value on these Broadway logs
Dec 20 19:31:14 <sugardave> twitpic is choking
Dec 20 19:33:42 <sugardave> Loudergood: yeah, I missed everything the first day, too
Dec 20 19:33:59 <sugardave> but I still got in and got a beer stein :D
Dec 20 19:34:17 <Loudergood> I just mean I was up so damned early to get in there the second day that I was exhausted by 6pm
Dec 20 19:34:55 <SineOt> rehosted: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/469264/174421278.png
Dec 20 19:35:37 <sugardave> oh yeah
Dec 20 19:35:37 <Loudergood> probably should've just slept on the train
Dec 20 19:35:47 <SineOt> looking at that again it's like a lightbulb going on in my head
Dec 20 19:36:15 <sugardave> they've got the tiny screen :s
Dec 20 19:36:45 <Loudergood> yeah that's probably a build on an existing device...
Dec 20 19:54:50 <olaf> Somehow I removed the phone icon from the launcher bar on the "just type" screen, but can't figure out how to add it again
Dec 20 19:56:16 <sugardave> oh man
Dec 20 19:56:35 <hotdp> lol
Dec 20 19:57:01 <hotdp> i like barley wine
Dec 20 19:57:41 <sugardave> olaf: phone is on my first app launcher page, if you tap and hold, it should let you drag it to the launcher bar
Dec 20 19:58:19 <SineOt> I like blowfish
Dec 20 19:58:23 <SineOt> they're funny looking P:
Dec 20 19:58:32 <olaf> ah, I had to hold it longer
Dec 20 19:58:37 <olaf> I tried it several times
Dec 20 19:58:40 <olaf> thanks
Dec 20 19:58:43 <sugardave> np
Dec 20 20:05:10 <hotdp> 3 year contract
Dec 20 20:05:20 <hotdp> thats a long time with the same phone..
Dec 20 20:07:26 <sugardave> 3 years?  damn
Dec 20 20:07:37 <hotdp> yer rogers
Dec 20 20:07:38 <hotdp> pc
Dec 20 20:07:41 <sugardave> I thought 2 years was bad
Dec 20 20:07:49 <hotdp> i thought 6 month was bad :P
Dec 20 20:08:12 <hotdp> I hope i can continue to pay dev phones
Dec 20 20:08:14 <sugardave> haha
Dec 20 20:11:45 <SineOt> "A framework for the bohemian web developer" what does this even meaaaaaaaan
Dec 20 20:12:36 <viSolix> yay HPQ ^+.12% :)
Dec 20 20:13:00 <hotdp> where do you get that ffrom?
Dec 20 20:13:21 <viSolix> app called 'StocksR'
Dec 20 20:13:31 <viSolix> viSolix: 1.0 beta free
Dec 20 20:13:42 <viSolix> emr, version
Dec 20 20:13:58 <viSolix> ticker, it's nice
Dec 20 20:15:45 <SineOt> "Compile brainfuck into javascript."
Dec 20 20:15:51 <viSolix> lol
Dec 20 20:15:51 <SineOt> Sometimes I wonder about people, I really do.
Dec 20 20:16:00 * SineOt keeps browsing packages for NodeJS.
Dec 20 20:18:51 <sugardave> I love these emails: "You are invited to submit a proposal..."
Dec 20 20:19:14 <sugardave> I need more of them
Dec 20 20:19:31 <viSolix> .
Dec 20 20:34:14 <SineOt> The more I read about NodeJS the more I like the sound of it.
Dec 20 20:34:30 <SineOt> sugardave: submit a proposal on how otters are like, the cutest things ever :T
Dec 20 20:35:29 <sugardave> $500
Dec 20 20:35:43 <sugardave> node kicks ass, btw
Dec 20 20:35:57 <sugardave> I can't wait to have a good idea for it
Dec 20 20:35:58 <sugardave> :s
Dec 20 20:36:37 <oil> lol
Dec 20 20:37:37 <SineOt> Growl network notifications?
Dec 20 20:38:22 <sugardave> turns out one of the ideas I had won't actually work
Dec 20 20:38:26 <sugardave> so that sucks
Dec 20 20:39:18 <halfhalo> you look at the node module list and go "Damn, node can do that?" constantly
Dec 20 20:39:24 <halfhalo> THATS JUST WHAT HAPPENS
Dec 20 20:39:29 <SineOt> What was the idea you had?
Dec 20 20:39:46 <sugardave> make it be the callback url for oauth logins
Dec 20 20:40:30 <sugardave> because doing oauth in Mojo is hacky at best
Dec 20 20:41:18 <oil> oauth smoauth
Dec 20 20:41:35 <sugardave> lame-ass oauth :P
Dec 20 20:43:25 <funkatron> oauth v1 is not designed for anything but desktop web browser apps, period
Dec 20 20:43:29 <funkatron> v2, I dunno about
Dec 20 20:43:43 <sugardave> yeah, I haven't looked into v2 yet
Dec 20 20:46:15 <sugardave> the other problem I have is being able to protect the consumer key and secret, impossible right now
Dec 20 20:47:15 <halfhalo> The seekret
Dec 20 20:47:43 <halfhalo> its wet and rainy outside, but dammit the pool purge works again!
Dec 20 20:57:42 <rsanchez1> how can I get the window object for my app from an arbitrary funciton?
Dec 20 20:58:11 <rsanchez1> I'm trying to call setInterval, but it's telling me I can't do it from a hidden window, and do window.setInterval from a visible window instead
Dec 20 21:01:08 <dawm> sugardave, i have oauth (twitter) working smooth as silk
Dec 20 21:02:13 <dawm> http://failblog.org/2010/11/28/epic-fail-photos-irony-fail-2-2/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+FriendsOfIrony+%28Friends+of+Irony%29
Dec 20 21:03:49 <sugardave> haha
Dec 20 21:04:35 <sugardave> rsanchez1: you might want something like Mojo.Controller.getAppController().getActiveStageController().activeScene().window
Dec 20 21:04:42 <sugardave> which is way too long
Dec 20 21:05:01 <dawm> if everyone had something like twitters xauth, its a non-issue
Dec 20 21:05:35 * oil always lols when going roundabout like that, sugardave
Dec 20 21:06:19 <sugardave> heh
Dec 20 21:06:25 <sugardave> well, it's time to go take the Santa picture
Dec 20 21:06:33 <sugardave> see y'all in a while
Dec 20 21:07:05 <mugen-> tell that fat bastard i need a new MBP... he needs to come through this year!  :D
Dec 20 21:08:01 <KGF2009> oil: In wIRC, on your preferences scene, how did you get the drop-down list in the title? I have the selector there, but it's not surrounded by a border like it is in wIRC.
Dec 20 21:08:11 * mugen- wonders if starting his wish list to santa with "Dear Fat Bastard," is the reason he got coal last year...
Dec 20 21:09:08 <mugen-> KGF, you can always reference the chat message code in the SDK refcode directory
Dec 20 21:09:28 <KGF2009> The what in the where?
Dec 20 21:09:36 * KGF2009 is a noob to this. x.x
Dec 20 21:09:58 <mugen-> hehe
Dec 20 21:10:08 <mugen-> in the SDK directory (where the sdk was installed)
Dec 20 21:10:21 <mugen-> there's a section that contains all the stock apps for webos
Dec 20 21:10:29 <dawm> Tibfib, you ever test out that lib?
Dec 20 21:11:04 <mugen-> and if you recall in the messaging application, when you're in a thread with someone, there's a dropdown in the corner for Google/SMS/etc that you're looking for
Dec 20 21:12:26 <mugen->    /refcode/applications/messaging/ somewhere in there is your answer
Dec 20 21:13:07 <dawm> ugh
Dec 20 21:13:18 <dawm> now that i have over a million coins in bejeweled blitz, i dont want to spend any
Dec 20 21:13:51 <KGF2009> The way they do it is confusing! D:
Dec 20 21:36:33 <dawm> lame.. android took another webos user.. my ex just got an epic cause her pre kept goofing and all her friends have android phones with 'the cool apps'
Dec 20 21:37:09 <KGF2009> D:
Dec 20 21:37:15 <hotdp> what "cool" apps?
Dec 20 21:37:32 <leiru> in 1.35hrs i am going to be 26.
Dec 20 21:37:38 <hotdp> Because of webos mises a cool app i would like to create it D:
Dec 20 21:37:40 <leiru> + years old
Dec 20 21:37:50 <dawm> that stupid talking robot one comes up alot in conversation
Dec 20 21:37:52 <hotdp> leiru where you from?
Dec 20 21:37:58 <dawm> robby or somecrap
Dec 20 21:38:01 <leiru> germany
Dec 20 21:38:03 <hotdp> robot?
Dec 20 21:38:21 <Tibfib> dawm: nope, had to rework some stuff in my app
Dec 20 21:39:48 <hotdp> good night people
Dec 20 21:39:52 <leiru> hotdp: and you?
Dec 20 21:39:57 <leiru> ok nite
Dec 20 21:39:58 <hotdp> Denmark
Dec 20 21:40:03 <hotdp> Dänemark ;)
Dec 20 21:40:03 <leiru> ah cool!
Dec 20 21:40:12 <leiru> neighbour!
Dec 20 21:40:15 <hotdp> yer
Dec 20 21:40:32 <hotdp> and congratz in 1½ hour
Dec 20 21:40:37 <leiru> thx :)
Dec 20 21:42:51 <InfiniteLoop> hi all
Dec 20 21:43:45 <InfiniteLoop> I need to distribute a app I wrote to couple of my friends - can they install it over the air without going thru the palm store , you know for testing purpose ?
Dec 20 21:43:58 <Wolvenhaven> yea
Dec 20 21:44:01 <Tibfib> web feed.
Dec 20 21:44:01 <Wolvenhaven> use preware
Dec 20 21:44:04 <Tibfib> or beta feed.
Dec 20 21:44:22 <InfiniteLoop> I don't want it to be public yet
Dec 20 21:44:27 <Tibfib> private beta then
Dec 20 21:44:32 <InfiniteLoop> checking preware... thanks
Dec 20 21:44:34 <Tibfib> OR make your own preware feed
Dec 20 21:44:44 <Tibfib> InfiniteLoop: you can make your app not appear in the feeds
Dec 20 21:44:48 <KGF2009> Couldn't you also just give them an ipk file?
Dec 20 21:45:05 <KGF2009> Open it in Internalz or something?
Dec 20 21:45:09 <Tibfib> InfiniteLoop: that is your best option.
Dec 20 21:45:12 <InfiniteLoop> all along I have been doing palm-install - so I don't know other options
Dec 20 21:45:42 <dawm> just install preware on their devices
Dec 20 21:45:45 <dawm> and email them the ipk
Dec 20 21:45:49 <dawm> preware can than install it
Dec 20 21:45:53 <dawm> er then
Dec 20 21:46:00 <InfiniteLoop> thanks guys,  this forum has been a gold mine , can't thank you guys enough
Dec 20 21:46:08 <dawm> no need for a feed or anything fancy
Dec 20 21:46:13 <SineOt> I need UX help. :B
Dec 20 21:46:26 <InfiniteLoop> dawm: thanks, not sure if my friends are that savvy
Dec 20 21:47:03 <Tibfib> InfiniteLoop: submit the app to the palm beta feed. uncheck "include in feeds". Then email the app link and they can install it from the catalog. It won't be public.
Dec 20 21:47:09 <SineOt> Keyboard input will be provided via a ~"hidden"~ text field input which fades in, with a container, over the standard navigation buttons in my remote. What should I put to say, "hey, you can type?"
Dec 20 21:47:19 <InfiniteLoop> Tibfib: perfect , thanks
Dec 20 21:48:14 <InfiniteLoop> unrelated question - is there a way to change my contact email from the palm developer account ? I accidentally used my work email , and Im developing this app privately
Dec 20 21:48:31 <Tibfib> SineOt: depends on the usage of the textfield.. I'd say "Type to ____"
Dec 20 21:48:51 <Tibfib> Start Typing to ___
Dec 20 21:49:04 <SineOt> Hrm.
Dec 20 21:49:10 <SineOt> Type to Send to Boxee?
Dec 20 21:49:14 <SineOt> Sounds odd.
Dec 20 21:50:23 <InfiniteLoop> another question - the palm developer account asks for a company name, does it have to be registered ? Im releasing this app as a individual
Dec 20 21:50:28 <Tibfib> it honestly depends on what it does @ SineOt
Dec 20 21:50:37 <Tibfib> InfiniteLoop: put your name
Dec 20 21:52:26 <SineOt> Tibfib: takes your keyboard input on device, beams it over to the Boxee/XBMC
Dec 20 21:52:38 <InfiniteLoop> dang they need my ssn to submit a app ?
Dec 20 21:52:41 <SineOt> acts as a wireless keyboard for your media center basically
Dec 20 21:52:46 <SineOt> yeah, for tax purposes
Dec 20 21:54:37 <Tibfib> SineOt: "Keyboard Input is supported", "Typing is supported"?
Dec 20 21:54:53 <Tibfib> if that's how it works..
Dec 20 21:55:43 <SineOt> Although I guess I could make it like a "mini" tutorial. "Just Type... Keyboard input will be broadcast to your Boxee." Then I can have a space to also mention that do to bugs in the XBMC API, % & ( and l are all unsupported characters.
Dec 20 21:56:05 <SineOt> Lower case l of all characters. No idea how that got screwed up.
Dec 20 21:56:07 <Wolvenhaven> you can't sanitize the string?
Dec 20 21:56:39 <SineOt> The API itself fails on those characters.
Dec 20 21:56:45 <Wolvenhaven> weird
Dec 20 21:56:49 <Tibfib> yeah, odd
Dec 20 21:56:51 <SineOt> Treats % & and ( as arrow key presses and l as an enter.
Dec 20 21:56:54 <SineOt> It's way odd, yeah.
Dec 20 21:57:19 <SineOt> But since the API is depreciated, it hasn't been touched in ages and will more than likely never get fixed! :V
Dec 20 21:57:32 <dawm> InfiniteLoop, tax purposes if you were to sell an app
Dec 20 21:58:28 <InfiniteLoop> dawm: even a free one ?
Dec 20 21:58:40 <dawm> its just required
Dec 20 21:58:59 <InfiniteLoop> ah thnx
Dec 20 21:59:00 <dawm> like i said its only for tax reporting purposes
Dec 20 22:03:38 * Tibfib doesn't remember putting one
Dec 20 22:03:41 <Tibfib> I only have free apps out
Dec 20 22:08:03 <rsanchez1> gah my app is annoying me
Dec 20 22:08:37 <rsanchez1> for some reason a certain song always tries to start loading again midway through the song, and it confuses the audio object and breaks the app
Dec 20 22:09:31 <SineOt> sounds like a bitch and a half to try and debug
Dec 20 22:09:48 <rsanchez1> it is
Dec 20 22:09:57 <rsanchez1> I have no idea why it's doing it, but it's only for a particular song
Dec 20 22:10:21 <rsanchez1> I logged the requests the server receives to serve the song, and it's getting asked twice to load the song
Dec 20 22:10:32 <rsanchez1> the second time before the song finishes loading in the audio object
Dec 20 22:10:51 <SineOt> There's some Mojo command that lets it only do one request
Dec 20 22:10:58 <SineOt> I think it's like, throttleBounce? IDK
Dec 20 22:11:45 <rsanchez1> it's not throttleBounce, that doesn't bring up anything
Dec 20 22:12:07 <SineOt> I hate looking at stuff and knowing I looked at it, but not knowing what it was called
Dec 20 22:13:00 <SineOt> debounce
Dec 20 22:13:02 <SineOt> that's what it was
Dec 20 22:13:20 <SineOt> https://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1862&Itemid=251
Dec 20 22:13:29 <SineOt> you can wrap a function ensuring that it only gets called once
Dec 20 22:13:38 <SineOt> or to insert a delay
Dec 20 22:14:19 <rsanchez1> hmm, so something like: Mojo.Function.debounce(undefined, audioObject.load(), 1, this.controller.window);
Dec 20 22:15:53 <SineOt> I -think- that would work?
Dec 20 22:16:02 <SineOt> Reading over it more I'm not sure if it'd do what you need it to
Dec 20 22:16:36 <rsanchez1> meh, it's worth a shot
Dec 20 22:20:41 <rsanchez1> nope, didn't work
Dec 20 22:29:02 <SineOt> Anyone here do C++? Trying to track down a bug in XBMC
Dec 20 22:29:14 <dawm> its not a bug
Dec 20 22:29:18 <dawm> just an undocumented feature
Dec 20 22:29:44 <dawm> yay.. payday
Dec 20 22:29:49 <SineOt> "you don't need lower case l, JUST USE CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL"
Dec 20 22:29:57 <dawm> now i can pay dreamhost its stupid 2yr renewal..
Dec 20 22:30:13 <qacat> it's a feature?
Dec 20 22:30:22 <KGF2009> I'm fairly good at C++. :o
Dec 20 22:33:15 <qacat> gotta question: before at&t did webos 1.4.5, there was a patch to turn off 802.11 when the pre went idle. my pre now seems to do that on its own and I can't find the patch anywhere. did it become part of 1.4.5?
Dec 20 22:33:35 <InfiniteLoop> any idea how long it takes for palm to refresh the beta feed ?
Dec 20 22:36:23 <Tibfib> InfiniteLoop: few hours for first submission. updates are near instant
Dec 20 22:37:22 <InfiniteLoop> ah neat - I wish I could do a iphone like adhoc release for webos without going thru the hassle of app catalog
Dec 20 22:38:33 <rsanchez1> there's an option for not putting your app in the app catalog, and just putting it in palm's web feeds
Dec 20 22:38:42 <rsanchez1> I don't know how updates work through it though
Dec 20 22:39:13 <rwhitby> InfiniteLoop: you can send an ipk file to anyone, and they can install it with the Palm SDK or Preware
Dec 20 22:39:46 <rwhitby> InfiniteLoop: Point people to the "Preware Homebrew Documentation" app in the official app catalog for instructions on how to install Preware
Dec 20 22:40:03 <SineOt> KGF2009, help me out then XD
Dec 20 22:40:22 <InfiniteLoop> rwhitby: got it, I meant for non-tech savvy users.
Dec 20 22:40:27 <KGF2009> Where's the source code, SineOt?
Dec 20 22:41:34 <rsanchez1> InifiniteLoop: http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1840&Itemid=34&limitstart=1
Dec 20 22:41:54 <rsanchez1> looks like the web distribution option might be what you want
Dec 20 22:42:24 <rsanchez1> general, non-tech savvy users can get the url and download the app
Dec 20 22:43:16 <SineOt> Yeah. And if they can't figure that out but can load the page, there's the "send a text to my phone" thingy there too!
Dec 20 22:48:16 <rsanchez1> just plugged a memory leak in my plugin, now it's just using around 5K memory instead of 20M
Dec 20 22:48:19 <rsanchez1> win
Dec 20 22:53:27 <SineOt> Sweet
Dec 20 22:55:18 <Tibfib> any palm engineers here?
Dec 20 22:55:52 <rsanchez1> all that's left is to figure out that audio object loading bug
Dec 20 23:00:12 <viSolix> hey dawm?
Dec 20 23:00:15 <dawm> ?
Dec 20 23:00:24 <viSolix> just got your tweet, your at dreamhost..
Dec 20 23:00:25 <viSolix> ?
Dec 20 23:00:33 <dawm> yah
Dec 20 23:00:35 <viSolix> gawd, i used them for 4 years, ever try Hostgator??
Dec 20 23:00:42 <dawm> no
Dec 20 23:00:47 <dawm> havent had any issues with DH
Dec 20 23:01:05 <dawm> i think i signed up 2 years ago for $50bux
Dec 20 23:01:08 <dawm> promo..
Dec 20 23:01:10 <viSolix> oh, ok, well thats good, i loved there web panel, but i couldnt stand*** there outages..
Dec 20 23:01:14 <dawm> just renewed for 1yr @$114
Dec 20 23:01:20 <dawm> ive never had an outage
Dec 20 23:01:23 <viSolix> yeah, i did thatwith DH for .99c once, ended up rolling into 4 years.
Dec 20 23:01:37 <viSolix> well, hopefully they've gotten better then, :)  cool..
Dec 20 23:01:54 <dawm> i was gonna renew for 2 but i could use the extra money ;p
Dec 20 23:01:58 <viSolix> yeah, hostgator has been my best yet, but things change..
Dec 20 23:02:05 <viSolix> hehe, yeah.. hear that
Dec 20 23:02:25 <dawm> my buddy just had an outage with DH, but ive never had any problems with them
Dec 20 23:02:35 <dawm> i must be on a good server (supergirl) :p
Dec 20 23:02:51 <viSolix> then its alright, DH i mena, but maybe certain servers are an issue, i just got tired of it.. ;)
Dec 20 23:02:57 <viSolix> yupo
Dec 20 23:03:10 <viSolix> anyways, just thought i would ask.. :)
Dec 20 23:03:22 <viSolix> casue you didn't.. ;)
Dec 20 23:03:28 <dawm> lol
Dec 20 23:11:34 <Tibfib> gosh dangit. we need an early access irc channel
Dec 20 23:11:49 <viSolix> start one.
Dec 20 23:11:51 <viSolix> :)
Dec 20 23:12:07 <Tibfib> not possible
Dec 20 23:12:22 <viSolix> why not? or you mean "officially"
Dec 20 23:13:17 <Tibfib> I can't. I don't know who is in early access, who gets to join, etc.
Dec 20 23:13:30 <Tibfib> it has to be palm's
Dec 20 23:14:12 <viSolix> oic, right then, you could always look at the early access forums for the memberships, or suggest a channel be made from there, maybe Palm will comply. meh. might work. :)
Dec 20 23:15:01 <viSolix> i would start a 'welcome to dev/beginners beginning' one if i could ... just to get started.. :)
Dec 20 23:15:27 <viSolix> but so far this channel has proven most valuable. :)
Dec 20 23:15:30 <NuttyBunny> mmm.. funny, this IRC server might have disconnected from Freenode... I see no channel ops :)
Dec 20 23:15:47 <viSolix> hmp. your right. :)
Dec 20 23:15:53 <viSolix> hehe
Dec 20 23:16:12 <viSolix> its an open source channel, no operators necessary.. ;;)
Dec 20 23:16:12 <KGF2009> There are normally channel ops?
Dec 20 23:16:21 <viSolix> yesim "+" sign
Dec 20 23:16:30 <viSolix> usually.
Dec 20 23:16:36 <NuttyBunny> yeah, about 15
Dec 20 23:16:49 <NuttyBunny> nah, nevermind, wrong channel
Dec 20 23:17:08 <NuttyBunny> it's #webos-internals the one plagued with ops ;)
Dec 20 23:17:28 <KGF2009> We're connected to 21 other servers, not including services.
Dec 20 23:17:54 <NuttyBunny> yeah, my mistake ;)
Dec 20 23:18:08 <viSolix> no cookies for you Nutty Bunny... :P
Dec 20 23:18:29 <qacat> does anyone know the location to the source for "timer classic"? emailed the auth, but no response back..
Dec 20 23:18:41 <viSolix> g2g burn a new Fedora14 iso.. bbl
Dec 20 23:34:24 <KGF2009> If I want to pass a parameter to a bound function, do I put it before or after 'this'?
Dec 20 23:34:44 <KGF2009> Or does it even matter?
Dec 20 23:35:02 <dawm> i dont think it matter
Dec 20 23:35:05 <dawm> but i always put it after
Dec 20 23:36:57 <KGF2009> ANd how do I call a message box open? Palm doesn't seem to show documentation for that..Or I can't find it.
Dec 20 23:38:56 <NuttyBunny> like a js alert?
Dec 20 23:39:26 <KGF2009> Yeah.
Dec 20 23:39:39 <KGF2009> One of those boxes that appears from the bottom of the app.
Dec 20 23:39:50 <Tibfib> KGF2009: see Controller section
Dec 20 23:40:20 <Tibfib> http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1838&Itemid=244#.showAlertDialog
Dec 20 23:40:44 <NuttyBunny> that was it :)
Dec 20 23:41:06 <Tibfib> alert() might do it too
Dec 20 23:41:09 <Tibfib> never tried
Dec 20 23:41:13 <nyceane> ello Tibfib
Dec 20 23:41:16 <nyceane> happy holidays everyone
Dec 20 23:41:22 <Tibfib> nburn: howdy!
Dec 20 23:41:30 <Tibfib> nyceane: howdy to you too!
Dec 20 23:41:31 <KGF2009> Aha. Thanks.
Dec 20 23:42:23 <nyceane> my new year resolution is to make an angry bird app thats better than angry birds
Dec 20 23:43:11 <KGF2009> XD
Dec 20 23:44:25 <dawm> its not an app its a game ;p
Dec 20 23:44:54 <KGF2009> Can a javascript switch can have strings?
Dec 20 23:49:05 <Tibfib> yes ?
Dec 20 23:49:18 <Tibfib> I'm confused by your question
Dec 20 23:49:31 <Tibfib> switch(var){
Dec 20 23:49:42 <Tibfib> case "string": blah; break; }
Dec 20 23:51:19 <KGF2009> Yeah; just used to C++ where switches can only be integers or characters.
Dec 20 23:51:24 <KGF2009> Wasn't sure.
Dec 20 23:52:04 <Tibfib> oh, gotcha
Dec 20 23:52:33 <nyceane> codeslaw, are you here?
Dec 20 23:58:13 <Spanska> is it possible to easily modify a list selector look to include a spinner?
Dec 21 00:03:42 <Tibfib> I've found editing palm styles are a pain. you could have better luck though.
Dec 21 00:04:16 <Tibfib> oil is working on a BetterListSelector, I think it has a spinner
Dec 21 00:05:37 <Spanska> did he post any code somewhere?
Dec 21 00:06:27 <Tibfib> ping oil
Dec 21 00:24:13 <InfiniteLoop> ah I hadn't pressed the final submit button on the app catalog, was wondering why it took so long for the app to show up...
Dec 21 00:30:03 <KGF2009> Is there a specific size an icon has to be? I've got a 48x48png set to a class in my CSS, and when I add it in, it messes up the display.
Dec 21 00:53:26 <oil> KGF2009: the code for it is in the wirc repo, its open source
Dec 21 00:53:50 <oil> Tibfib: Spanska: its currently only residing in the impostah repo
Dec 21 00:54:05 <oil> we're still working out with palm on distribution
Dec 21 00:54:14 <oil> since the bulk of betterlistselector is palms listselector widget code
Dec 21 00:55:04 <KGF2009> oil: Where's the repo?
Dec 21 00:55:27 <oil> http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/wIRC.git;a=summary
Dec 21 00:56:21 <nyceane> codeslaw
Dec 21 00:56:23 <nyceane> are you here?
Dec 21 00:56:51 <nyceane> halfhalo
Dec 21 00:56:56 <nyceane> anybody here? lol
Dec 21 00:57:15 <dawm> we all left for the day, please come back during normal business hours
Dec 21 00:57:24 * torchie twists sign
Dec 21 00:57:26 * torchie *CLOSED*
Dec 21 00:57:38 <torchie> lol my nephew found superNES on my pre
Dec 21 00:58:17 <Loudergood> game over
Dec 21 00:59:23 <torchie> chrono trigger
Dec 21 01:00:17 <nyceane> =|
Dec 21 01:00:22 <nyceane> this is my business hour
Dec 21 01:00:52 <Loudergood> 1 hour? must pay well.
Dec 21 01:01:36 <dohtem> hallo!
Dec 21 01:07:20 <sugardave> mugen-: Santa said to go *&#$ yourself
Dec 21 01:07:27 <sugardave> sorry
Dec 21 01:07:30 <sugardave> don't shoot the messenger
Dec 21 01:07:37 * mugen- kicks dirt.
Dec 21 01:07:41 <mugen-> :(
Dec 21 01:07:55 <mugen-> did the kids have fun at least? :)
Dec 21 01:08:02 <mugen-> sorry... kid(s)
Dec 21 01:08:47 <dohtem> sugardave!
Dec 21 01:08:52 <sugardave> oh yeah, we had a good time :D
Dec 21 01:08:54 <sugardave> just one kid
Dec 21 01:08:59 <sugardave> dohtem!
Dec 21 01:10:25 <mugen-> glad to hear :)
Dec 21 01:11:10 <sugardave> tomorrow is travel day
Dec 21 01:12:30 <sugardave> hey, I heard back from the Cyanide & Happiness guys
Dec 21 01:12:46 <sugardave> I'm on the "short list" :D
Dec 21 01:13:03 <dawm> i thought baout putting my hat in the ring but then i took a nap and forgot ;p
Dec 21 01:13:04 <dohtem> ?
Dec 21 01:13:40 <dawm> doesnt seem to hard to make it the same/better than the iphone app
Dec 21 01:14:43 <sugardave> yeah, I'm about to take a gander at the screenshots for the iphone one...hardest part sounds like twitter/facebook integration
Dec 21 01:16:13 <dawm> soo my friend that got an epic to replace her pre.. when she texts me it comes from some number out of state (TX and shes in WI) and it prefixs the message with her name..
Dec 21 01:16:20 <dawm> im pretty sure its not supposed to work like that right?
Dec 21 01:16:23 <dawm> droid fail
Dec 21 01:17:25 <Loudergood> that's just weird
Dec 21 01:17:27 <dohtem> sure she's not sending the texts with google voice or one a voip service like skype?
Dec 21 01:17:27 <fahhem> its probably an app that does 'free texting' by putting ads
Dec 21 01:17:42 <Loudergood> my mom just discovered email to text
Dec 21 01:17:42 <dawm> no she said its the native txt app
Dec 21 01:17:44 <fahhem> there's a lot of those apps in the iPhone and Droid markets
Dec 21 01:18:10 <fahhem> is she technical enough to know the difference?
Dec 21 01:18:35 <dawm> yes
Dec 21 01:18:49 <dawm> a few degrees worth of technical ;p
Dec 21 01:19:11 <Loudergood> my mom? she doesn't actually have a cell phone...so she uses it a lot now when she's at work
Dec 21 01:22:02 <fahhem> i get normal texts from my iPhone 4 wielding brother
Dec 21 01:23:03 <dohtem> fahhem: none of these - http://damnyouautocorrect.com/ ?
Dec 21 01:23:06 <dohtem> :)
Dec 21 01:24:41 <fahhem> lol, how does help become whore?
Dec 21 01:30:21 <dawm> lol
Dec 21 01:30:30 <dawm> we think her phone sync'd my google voice number
Dec 21 01:30:34 <dawm> which is messing stuff up
Dec 21 01:30:58 <dawm> cause she just called and it asked me if i wanted to take the call or send to voice mail just like GV does
Dec 21 01:31:34 <dawm> so apparently google weighs the google voice number higher than my actual mobile number
Dec 21 01:31:41 <dohtem> is that her first android phone?
Dec 21 01:31:47 <dawm> yes
Dec 21 01:31:58 <dawm> EPIC fail ;
Dec 21 01:32:02 <dohtem> she's have to go through gmail contacts and clean everything out.  It's a pain the first time
Dec 21 01:32:16 <dawm> she sync facebook or something too
Dec 21 01:32:26 <dawm> she said she has like 800 contacts and its just numbers no names
Dec 21 01:32:29 <dohtem> remove/merge duplicates and stuff
Dec 21 01:32:44 <dawm> i said call up sprint and reactivate the pre :P
Dec 21 01:35:04 <dohtem> fahhem: http://damnyouautocorrect.com/3308/steve-jobs-autocorrected/ - heh
Dec 21 01:36:08 <fahhem> lol, isn't webos getting auto-correct soon?
Dec 21 01:38:13 <Loudergood> it's in 2.0
Dec 21 01:38:59 <torchie> two point oh
Dec 21 01:39:58 <dohtem> they have till CES!
Dec 21 01:40:44 <torchie> please just make the phone not break
Dec 21 01:40:51 <torchie> and sprint
Dec 21 01:41:01 <torchie> i dont even care anymore
Dec 21 01:41:16 <Loudergood> well, the pre2 is much more solid than the pre plus
Dec 21 01:41:26 <torchie> still a slider
Dec 21 01:42:04 <torchie> it'll take more than the word "silo'd"
Dec 21 01:43:27 <Tibfib> dang if palm doesn't announce anything CES, lots of people are going to switch
Dec 21 01:43:41 <Tibfib> myself included if I wasn't a developer
Dec 21 01:43:54 <torchie> yeah I'm starting to get testy
Dec 21 01:43:59 <halfhalo> dundundun....
Dec 21 01:44:17 <dohtem> Villagers, put down your pitchforks!
Dec 21 01:44:20 <torchie> I'm on my 4th pre and android people laugh at me and show off their voice command system while iphone users show off their camera apps
Dec 21 01:44:55 <halfhalo>  show off your multitasking
Dec 21 01:45:14 <rwhitby> or talk about something important with your friends instead :)
Dec 21 01:45:18 <dohtem> multitask contacts and calendar!
Dec 21 01:45:19 <torchie> lol
Dec 21 01:45:50 <torchie> well my brother just got an evo and he was seeing if I was added in contacts
Dec 21 01:46:00 <torchie> there was facebook me and manually-added me
Dec 21 01:46:05 <torchie> and I was like "why dont you link them"
Dec 21 01:46:10 * torchie trollface
Dec 21 02:03:47 <mugen-> grrr... there's some guy that lives down the road and rides a heavily modified harley or indian. he LOVES to blast it in first gear for as long as he can around my neighborhood and it's so effin loud.
Dec 21 02:04:04 <mugen-> i want to smack the living hell out of him every time he goes by.
Dec 21 02:04:19 <Spanska> hrm, superNES, I think I'll have to give this a try
Dec 21 02:06:04 <dohtem> coming from the guy named mugen :)
Dec 21 02:06:50 <dawm> mugen is just overpriced
Dec 21 02:07:08 * dohtem shoots dawm 
Dec 21 02:07:39 <Spanska> oh, it's in the App Catalog :(
Dec 21 02:07:49 * dawm deflects it with a $300 mugen brake fluid resirvior sock
Dec 21 02:08:38 <dohtem> danger to the manifold!
Dec 21 02:09:00 <dawm> LOLz
Dec 21 02:09:28 <dawm> overnight parts from Japan (aka eBay)
Dec 21 02:09:41 <dohtem> that movie was laughably bad
Dec 21 02:09:47 <dohtem> still enjoyed it tho
Dec 21 02:09:49 <dawm> no way
Dec 21 02:09:53 <dawm> all time fav
Dec 21 02:10:05 <dawm> its knowing all the faults/flaws that make it enjoyable :D
Dec 21 02:10:08 <dohtem> "dude, you should be in MIT or something"
Dec 21 02:10:26 <dawm> the worst was 4
Dec 21 02:10:37 <dawm> a wrx/sti with no driveshaft
Dec 21 02:10:45 <Loudergood> the worst will be the next one
Dec 21 02:10:47 <dohtem> heck no.  4 had japanese hotties galore
Dec 21 02:10:51 <Loudergood> yeah I said next one
Dec 21 02:10:52 <dohtem> 2 was horrible
Dec 21 02:11:02 <dawm> i mean inaccuracies
Dec 21 02:11:16 <dawm> no way a fwd could have made it thru that tunnel
Dec 21 02:11:31 <dawm> well being chased that is
Dec 21 02:11:40 <dohtem> i thought dude was in a nissan z
Dec 21 02:11:50 <dawm> brian was in a wrx/sti
Dec 21 02:11:53 <dohtem> ah
Dec 21 02:11:54 <dawm> in 4
Dec 21 02:12:12 <dawm> yah know at the end it flipped and then that oldschool smashed into it
Dec 21 02:12:19 <dawm> well it had no driveshaft when it flipped over
Dec 21 02:12:47 <dohtem> wait, I'm mixing them up.  3 was tokyo drify
Dec 21 02:12:49 <dohtem> drift
Dec 21 02:12:58 <dawm> yes
Dec 21 02:13:00 <dohtem> 4 was the mexico drug running one
Dec 21 02:13:04 <dawm> yeah
Dec 21 02:13:17 <dawm> 4 took place before 3
Dec 21 02:13:21 <dohtem> ok ok.  3 kicked ass.
Dec 21 02:13:22 <mugen-> i still love my rides tuned... but i'm not obnoxious about it :(
Dec 21 02:13:25 <dawm> and 5 takes place after 4 and before 3
Dec 21 02:13:35 <mugen-> the fifth looks neat
Dec 21 02:13:39 <dohtem> with Han still alive?
Dec 21 02:13:43 <mugen-> yeah
Dec 21 02:13:47 <dohtem> nice
Dec 21 02:13:47 <dawm> 12453 is the order
Dec 21 02:13:56 <dawm> chronologically story wise
Dec 21 02:14:07 <dohtem> gotcha
Dec 21 02:14:19 <dawm> cause in 4 hahn leaves to go do something else
Dec 21 02:14:23 <dohtem> han left the crew and went back to Japan when things got too hot
Dec 21 02:14:23 <dawm> and dies in 3
Dec 21 02:14:27 <dawm> but hes in 5
Dec 21 02:14:38 <dawm> and they bust toretto out of jail in 5
Dec 21 02:16:20 <mugen-> mm, anyone see the teaser for transformers dark of the moon?
Dec 21 02:17:06 <mugen-> i hope it's unicron in the preview... a planet sized transformer is ftmw
Dec 21 02:17:18 * dohtem still wants a fixer upper integra
Dec 21 02:18:50 <mugen-> DA/9 or DC2?
Dec 21 02:19:07 <dohtem> DA
Dec 21 02:19:30 <mugen-> i'm almost on the same page
Dec 21 02:19:40 <dohtem> 1st gen
Dec 21 02:19:59 <mugen-> i can't wait until dc2 gsrs are dirt cheap though... that japanese front end is to die for
Dec 21 02:20:07 <mugen-> such a neat car
Dec 21 02:20:30 <mugen-> so a DA3?
Dec 21 02:20:38 <mugen-> 80ish
Dec 21 02:21:13 <dohtem> didnt the 1st gen stop in 91?
Dec 21 02:21:16 <dohtem> i forget
Dec 21 02:21:25 <mugen-> 1st gen is 86-89
Dec 21 02:21:45 <mugen-> 2nd is 90-93 for LS/GS
Dec 21 02:21:53 <mugen-> and 92-93 for GSR
Dec 21 02:22:09 <dawm> ricers
Dec 21 02:22:17 <dohtem> oh and the gsrs are nice
Dec 21 02:22:39 <dohtem> lol dawm
Dec 21 02:23:18 <dawm> :)
Dec 21 02:23:39 <mugen-> dawm, you realize calling someone a ricer isn't exactly an insult anymore... no one cares if they are or not ;)
Dec 21 02:23:52 <dawm> i would care
Dec 21 02:24:30 <dohtem> he's a mopar man
Dec 21 02:24:37 <mugen-> i know :)
Dec 21 02:24:44 <mugen-> we've conversed cars before
Dec 21 02:24:46 <dawm> wishing he was a subby guy
Dec 21 02:25:05 <dohtem> btw, what's with hippes and outbacks?
Dec 21 02:25:22 <dawm> i thought the stereotype was lesbians and outbacks
Dec 21 02:25:25 <mugen-> there's only two groups that roll subbies
Dec 21 02:25:28 <dawm> or is that the baja
Dec 21 02:25:32 <mugen-> hippies or hardcores
Dec 21 02:25:36 <mugen-> no inbetweens
Dec 21 02:26:04 <dohtem> lol
Dec 21 02:26:34 <dawm> eh
Dec 21 02:26:42 <dawm> i know a few subby people with SRTs :P
Dec 21 02:26:55 <mugen-> bleh
Dec 21 02:28:37 <mugen-> dawm, you driven a '11 v6 mustang yet?
Dec 21 02:28:57 <dawm> sorry not a ford guy, i think the last ford i drove was a escort
Dec 21 02:29:06 <dawm> and that was only cause i replaced its brakes
Dec 21 02:29:22 <mugen-> yeah, usually i'm not either... but i was kinda smitten
Dec 21 02:29:24 <dawm> i wonder if i zoom out enough and move the pin enough if i could check in 4sq in another state and fool people
Dec 21 02:29:30 <dawm> i see them enough tho
Dec 21 02:29:38 <dawm> being this is ford country
Dec 21 02:29:41 <dohtem> dawm: use a VZW pre
Dec 21 02:29:59 <dawm> or
Dec 21 02:30:06 <dawm> i could install it on the emu and send coords
Dec 21 02:31:29 <dohtem> ttyl folks... its quitting time
Dec 21 02:31:47 <mugen-> that's a lot of effort to mess around with 4sq
Dec 21 02:31:59 <mugen-> trying to impress the ladies? ;)
Dec 21 02:33:08 <KGF2009> Is it possible to just simply hide a div?
Dec 21 02:38:00 <Tibfib> this.controller.get("divId").hide();
Dec 21 02:39:23 <KGF2009> Tried that; did nothing.
Dec 21 02:41:18 <Tibfib> are you using ares?
Dec 21 02:43:04 <Spanska> I'm trying to have my scrim show after the user chooses a list selector because there's a delay before the Pre responds back with the menu animation but it doesn't really work. I use a scrim on my main scene and it works fine. What am I doing wrong? js: http://pastebin.com/b2aKXzBE  html: http://pastebin.com/qMsP0wwA  In the JS file, the function I have issues with starts on line 125
Dec 21 02:46:10 <KGF2009> Tibfib, nope; Notepad++.
Dec 21 02:47:27 <KGF2009> Wait. Maybe the issue lies deeper..
Dec 21 02:57:49 <SineOt> You could always just set the style with say, Visibility: Hidden;
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