**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Dec 21 02:59:58 2010 Dec 21 03:21:03 hi all! Dec 21 03:22:29 hi JenP Dec 21 03:22:35 hi ya Dec 21 03:32:33 Stupid xChat. Dec 21 04:05:05 KGF2009: you win by using notepad++ Dec 21 04:05:09 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxVhqkF9KgU lol Dec 21 04:05:18 and now I sleep Dec 21 04:48:34 All right; so I've got my Palm Pre+ on dev mode, tried shutting it down, luna restarts, and the like; and still when I connect it to my computer, it doesn't show up as a device unless I go into USB mode, and I want to use palm-install. What do I do? Dec 21 04:49:36 It won't show up as a device. Doesn't need to when you use palm-install Dec 21 04:49:56 No, I mean when I do palm-install it says there are no devices connected. Dec 21 04:50:07 oh Dec 21 04:50:08 weird! Dec 21 04:50:28 Not to mention Preware's been buggy lately. I'm thinking about doctoring it again. Dec 21 04:51:30 I'm trying to figure out how to have a button change what it does depending on what it's doing... Hrm. ModelChanged? Dec 21 04:51:59 ...Change what it does..depending on what it's doing? O-o Dec 21 04:52:02 confusing interface? Dec 21 04:52:24 No no, it's... Tap it to show something, tap it again to hide basically Dec 21 04:52:38 Like a drawer? Dec 21 04:52:47 One tap opens it the other closes it? Dec 21 04:52:54 Yes, but not a drawer basically Dec 21 04:52:56 That'd be easy. Dec 21 04:52:59 Although that gives me a place to start looking Dec 21 04:53:14 right now it's a mojo button that shows a DIV Dec 21 04:53:24 now I just need to have the button, if the div is shown, to hide it Dec 21 04:53:28 Just change your tap listening function to switch what it does based on a boolean variable. Dec 21 04:54:57 Mmm, what do you mean? Dec 21 04:55:13 anyone know why ajax.request adds an additional &_= to the end of my post string? Dec 21 04:55:20 it's messing up JSONRPC Dec 21 04:55:45 SineOt, for instance...One sec. Dec 21 04:58:09 http://webos.pastebin.com/KyY4Mr4S Dec 21 04:58:15 Simple. Dec 21 04:58:42 Oh, that seems pretty simple. Dec 21 05:05:08 see! drawers rox ur sox Dec 21 05:05:27 you tried to deny it... but alas Dec 21 05:09:11 shush you Dec 21 05:14:30 * SineOt tries to figure out how to space out these animations Dec 21 05:18:13 setTimeout? Dec 21 05:19:09 omfg... how do i get rid of that trailing &_= ?!?@! Dec 21 05:19:21 * mugen- bashes his head against the wall until he knocks himself out Dec 21 05:19:32 drawers are suck Dec 21 05:19:36 i hate them Dec 21 05:19:37 Maybe. I was thinking of trying Mojo.Animation but man, that is like, so... Odd. Dec 21 05:19:41 And undocumented. Dec 21 05:22:07 I just assign class names like 'invisible' to shit I want to hide and have whatever css.....then you do shit like if (element.hasClassName('invisible')) {// remove the class name} else {// add the class name} Dec 21 05:22:11 for your button handler Dec 21 05:22:37 Yeah, that's what I do. Dec 21 05:22:55 But I want them to animate all sweet like. P: Dec 21 05:24:18 -webkit-transition not good enough for you? Dec 21 05:24:20 elitist Dec 21 05:24:22 it is Dec 21 05:24:29 but running two of them at once stutters Dec 21 05:24:40 details Dec 21 05:29:26 lol Dec 21 05:35:20 oh man this thing.. Ahhhh Dec 21 05:35:24 it tastes like blue Dec 21 05:42:14 eh? Dec 21 05:44:10 what tastes like blue? Dec 21 05:47:52 Tilt Dec 21 05:47:58 shitty malt beverage Dec 21 05:56:59 -.- i'll take your word for it Dec 21 06:03:53 haha what Dec 21 06:04:10 it's like 4 Loko. Just sans caffeine. Dec 21 06:13:39 never had a 4loco Dec 21 06:13:51 aren't they flavored like juices and stuff? Dec 21 06:15:41 okay.. i officially give up on this JSONRPC stuff Dec 21 06:15:55 you'll have to tackle it and then skool me Dec 21 06:17:40 hah Dec 21 06:17:42 fair 'nough Dec 21 07:00:00 Ugh... More problems with mojo.focus() :/ Dec 21 07:00:53 what's the problem now? Dec 21 07:01:02 It just... Won't focus Dec 21 07:01:51 because it's a hidden textfield? Dec 21 07:02:13 i don't think you can focus on a hidden textfield, hence why i thought you should trick it instead Dec 21 07:02:31 Hm Dec 21 07:02:35 by putting a div in front of the textfield so that the textfield is 'visible' but obstructed Dec 21 07:02:42 Yeah, you can't. I guess I could just stick it off the screen Dec 21 07:07:16 yeah, but setting .focus() on it will scroll there too Dec 21 07:08:59 Ugh... Seems that since I'm animating it and having the field come into focus, it's breaking somehow. Dec 21 07:23:33 Double ugh! Dec 21 07:23:45 Contents for the div get animated -after- the div itself, lol Dec 21 07:24:02 why are you animating the textfield? Dec 21 07:24:08 I'm not. Dec 21 07:24:18 Wanted to put some text in the container div. Dec 21 09:35:23 hmm, it was way more interesting yesterday around this time Dec 21 09:38:43 :D Dec 21 09:40:31 I'm about to submit my first app! :O Dec 21 09:40:52 oooooo Dec 21 09:40:53 boxee? Dec 21 09:41:33 yup Dec 21 09:42:12 what are your price points? Dec 21 09:42:41 For this? Free... I think. Dec 21 09:42:51 I don't know. Doesn't seem like something that people would pay for. :p Dec 21 09:42:58 ads? Dec 21 09:43:36 No, that'd totally ruin the vibe man :C Dec 21 09:43:40 is there a way to create two versions? one free and one paid, where the paid has more features? Dec 21 09:43:50 i'm just trying to help :) Dec 21 09:43:54 Possibly Dec 21 09:44:07 if I rewrite everything in NodeJS, it'd be easy to do a "pro" mode, hah Dec 21 09:44:15 but... That's for later Dec 21 09:44:21 yeah, sounds like it Dec 21 09:49:57 I have UDP service discovery working... But I'd need to do TCP sockets too. Dec 21 09:52:21 (Of course, no idea if UDP service discovery would actually run on device) Dec 21 09:53:21 you haven't tested it on a device yet? Dec 21 09:53:58 I don't have anything with 2.0 on it to test a NodeJS service with Dec 21 09:57:23 oh right, 2.0's not out yet... Dec 21 09:57:45 for the majority of palm devices* Dec 21 10:01:07 Yeah... Until then, I'll just keep writing Node services on my desktop and testing them there :3 Dec 21 10:02:15 man, so many things to wait for from palm Dec 21 10:02:33 i guess they can actually do so much now that they have increased their workforce so much Dec 21 10:02:55 before they spent all their engineers on the next device, rarely did updates really make it to previous devices Dec 21 10:03:30 yeah, that's the way I'm looking at it. It should get quicker as time goes on now that they've got HP's resources behind them Dec 21 11:46:37 Hmm could we use iAd ? Dec 21 12:31:33 hello all Dec 21 12:32:00 yo Dec 21 12:32:14 i'm new Palm Pre 2 user Dec 21 12:32:24 wonderful Phone Dec 21 12:32:30 nice Dec 21 12:32:55 do you have the last Pre ? Dec 21 12:33:27 Concratz Dec 21 12:33:32 i had Dec 21 12:33:40 wow Dec 21 12:34:35 i've a problem , on Preware , many patches are not webos 2.0 ready , like " disable sounds..." Dec 21 12:34:51 and? Dec 21 12:34:56 yeah, 2.0 is only out in one country right now Dec 21 12:35:12 in U.S. too Dec 21 12:35:19 i live in Italy Dec 21 12:35:30 pre 2 isn't available in US yet Dec 21 12:35:37 or did i miss something? Dec 21 12:35:55 i thought it was coming to verizon 'soon', and 2.0 was coming to older pre/pixi devices 'soon' Dec 21 12:36:04 oohh , ok ....and then development of patch is slow Dec 21 12:36:35 yeah, the only patch development possible by english-speaking devs is through the emulator Dec 21 12:36:52 Manuel___ so what you wonna do is complain about the progress? Dec 21 12:36:56 yes , emulator :( Dec 21 12:37:08 it's going faster than it did for the 1.0 release, since most of the foundation is already laid Dec 21 12:37:38 we're waiting for the awesomeness of 2.0 to hit our devices, i guess you'll have to wait to get patches working Dec 21 12:37:46 unless you want to do patch development yourself? Dec 21 12:38:45 2.0 is a pretty huge change Dec 21 12:38:56 :) myself ? i would be able to do myself Dec 21 12:40:19 i wait a navigator too . With offline maps like TomTom or Navigon. Navit is not usable Dec 21 12:40:55 i don't understand because Palm don't see the other market stores.... Dec 21 12:41:37 sorry, i don't understand... Dec 21 12:42:44 PRE 2 is a great smartphone , it could be more developed Dec 21 12:42:57 lol Dec 21 12:43:19 well, once more devs have it in their hands that'll be an option Dec 21 12:43:43 right now the only option to get it is to wait for verizon or buy an unlocked one (expensive) Dec 21 12:44:00 the App Catalog is closed to the official carriers .....another awful choice Dec 21 12:44:13 or, if you're lucky, use a coupon from hp for $200 off the unlocked one Dec 21 12:44:16 what do you mean? Dec 21 12:45:49 Manuel___ are you a troll ? Dec 21 12:46:09 i've a unlocked PRE 2 near me . I've buied to the Palm.Uk store Dec 21 12:46:29 hotdp: i'm leaning that way too Dec 21 12:46:48 Manuel___ you just complain? What do you want? Dec 21 12:46:56 hotdp : why do you mean i'm a troll ? Dec 21 12:47:00 "the App Catalog is closed to the official carriers .....another awful choice" Dec 21 12:47:17 "i've a problem , on Preware , many patches are not webos 2.0 ready , like " disable sounds..."" Dec 21 12:47:35 I just wonna know would you want? whats your quastion? Dec 21 12:47:40 i'm not even sure that first quote is even true Dec 21 12:48:36 these are only questions. I'm a new in this world Dec 21 12:48:51 What is the question? Dec 21 12:49:17 questions want answers, those are statements Dec 21 12:50:21 question is : Why the community is like " stopped" to develop for 2.0 ? Dec 21 12:50:48 its not, go load preware next week and there will be new patches and such Dec 21 12:50:53 Manuel___: it is not " stopped" Dec 21 12:51:05 but it took this long to get here for WebOS 1.x Dec 21 12:51:11 ok , ok Dec 21 12:51:33 Manuel___: the rate of progress is simply not meeting your unrealistic expectations Dec 21 12:51:37 it'll be faster for 2.0 since things like Preware are already built, but it's not going to be lightspeed suddenly Dec 21 12:52:09 Manuel___ its none proffit! take a break Dec 21 12:53:18 Manuel___: I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt, and assume that your statements are not coming across as you intend them due to english not being your native language (even though I'm sure your english is much better than my italian) Dec 21 12:53:46 Pre phones without the webos internals development are dead Dec 21 12:54:32 Manuel___: yes, they would be. lucky the WebOS Internals developments are still going at full speed. Dec 21 12:55:22 yes , my english is not very well :) Dec 21 12:55:45 Manuel___ where are you from? Dec 21 12:56:00 i'm italian , from Rome Dec 21 12:57:40 I find it absurd that the 'catalog app is closed. are choices that go against the Palm business too Dec 21 12:58:09 What do you mean with closed? Dec 21 12:58:39 hotdp: you cannot access it if you activate a phone in italy Dec 21 12:59:22 closed = impossible install paid apps Dec 21 12:59:25 (nor in most of the other countries in the world) Dec 21 12:59:26 ah, is that due to the lack of internationalization? Dec 21 13:00:02 rwhitby: i know i am from Denmark myself i did just not understand what he said :) Dec 21 13:00:11 fahhem: app catalog access is restricted to about 4 countries. All others cannot get it. Dec 21 13:00:28 nothing to do with internationalization Dec 21 13:01:01 yeah , this is the fact Dec 21 13:01:10 absourd ! Dec 21 13:01:39 i guess there are a bunch of reasons Dec 21 13:01:49 Manuel___ i fell with you. But there is nothing we can do. other then wait Dec 21 13:02:47 the only consequence is: the collapse of business for HP/ Palm Dec 21 13:02:47 i guess if you start a thread (or continue an existing thread) to bring palm to italy, it might pressure Palm into getting some contracts with other carriers to bring its phones and app catalog there? Dec 21 13:02:57 clap clap :) Dec 21 13:03:00 though i'm sure HP is already pushing through on such deals anyway Dec 21 13:03:31 you do realize companies exist just fine without any business from outside the US? Dec 21 13:03:59 In Italy there are many webos fans , but Palm don't see it Dec 21 13:04:15 fahhem: HP sells products in over 138 countries Dec 21 13:04:20 http://www.webositalia.com/ Dec 21 13:04:42 it's only a matter of time before many of those products sold in those countries run webOS Dec 21 13:05:01 i know, just saying it's not the demise of a company to sell to fewer than 138 countries Dec 21 13:05:38 Note that HP have stated they are in this for the long run. Anyone making any predictions based on anything before July next year simply has the wrong timeframe perception. Dec 21 13:05:51 yeah, especially with webOS on HP's printers, though i've never seen the use case for multitasking on a printer... Dec 21 13:05:59 Italy is a strategic market for Smartphones , only Palm don't understand it Dec 21 13:06:14 Manuel___: they probably see it, but you don't see what they're doing Dec 21 13:06:22 fahhem: printers are an ideal case for multtasking, since printing is an activity which takes a long time Dec 21 13:06:49 sure, printing from a device, but the printer itself? Dec 21 13:06:58 Manuel___: for Palm (not HP) to do anything more than what they did would have sent the company bankrupt Dec 21 13:07:09 i don't see anyone around me going to the printer and actually waiting around for their stuff to print Dec 21 13:07:50 fahhem: yep. "Oh, I just need to print out those plane tickets - no need to open any computer, I can do it directly from the printer" "Oh honey, can you print out those movie tickets while you are there?" Dec 21 13:08:20 fahhem: you have a different view of the future than HP then Dec 21 13:08:22 yeah, i guess if you turn it into its own device Dec 21 13:08:37 have you watched the keynote speech from the NYC dev day? Dec 21 13:08:56 not yet, too much video came out of that day Dec 21 13:09:11 rwhitby : If Palm had launched the PRE unlocked from the very 'beginning in the international market, now we would not at this point, ok? Dec 21 13:09:12 well, that's the place where you will get an informed opinion from ... Dec 21 13:09:36 Manuel___: correct, Palm would be dead if they had done that, and there would have been no webOS for HP to buy. Dec 21 13:09:39 rwhitby: alright, will do. sorry for my ignorance ^ Dec 21 13:10:12 Manuel___: I am in Australia, and suffer exactly the same fate as you do with regard to webOS and the app catalog. Dec 21 13:10:54 But I am also realistic about what a company that is burning 10% of it's cash reserves every month can possibly do. Dec 21 13:12:06 And trying to sell unlocked phones in an international market (no matter how much I want them to do that) is not something that a company in that position can do. Now, once HP actually brings out it's first webOS phone (ignoring the Pre 2 and everything before it), then it may be a different story. Dec 21 13:12:14 you can see Samsung , their products are ALL unlocked and you can buy there in alla the world . And Palm ? in bankrupt risk and sell locked phones !!!! Absourd Dec 21 13:12:41 Manuel___: do you realise the difference in market capitalisation between Samsung and Palm before it was bought by HP ? Dec 21 13:13:15 yeah Dec 21 13:13:55 then you might want to base your statements in the realms of possibility, rather than in fantasy land. Dec 21 13:14:20 :-) Dec 21 13:14:29 * hotdp notes that for later use Dec 21 13:14:58 but if you want sell and you are in bankrupt risk , your product must be OPEN , unlocked . European market it was strategic , but Palm have only a U.S. point of view Dec 21 13:15:04 now, once HP brings out it's new products, maybe by July next year, then we can start to compare marketing strategies between major global companies like HP and Samsung. Dec 21 13:15:46 Manuel___: to even launch an unlocked phone would have bankrupt Palm. You simply don't see that, do you? Dec 21 13:15:59 Even if they launched it in the US. Dec 21 13:16:21 The inventory cost alone would have bankrupt them. Dec 21 13:16:47 Let along the marketing and distribution and support and warranty costs. Dec 21 13:16:53 s/along/alone/ Dec 21 13:17:07 of course, if Palm could *poof* unlocked phones on demand, then it would have saved them, yes Dec 21 13:17:42 fahhem : i'm agree Dec 21 13:18:08 fahhem: well, that's a debatable point too. As much as I prefer unlocked phones, the majority of consumers are locked into carrier subsidies. Dec 21 13:18:50 In the US, it would not have saved them. In Asia or parts of Europe, it may have, except they would have been bankrupt first. Dec 21 13:19:20 lol, you're debating the power of magic? Dec 21 13:19:48 fahhem: oh, zero-cost phones. I thought you were just addressing the inventory cost. Dec 21 13:19:58 i'm trying to point out the absurdity of expecting a cash-strapped company to expand into new markets Dec 21 13:20:03 rwhitby , in Europe not . European laws avoid locked phones for long time . Lock a phone is a great stupidity Dec 21 13:20:24 yeah, i was saying absolutely no cost to palm, just poof one where it needs to be and get $200-500 for it Dec 21 13:20:48 fahhem: that may almost pay for the marketing and support and warranty costs Dec 21 13:21:32 Manuel___: Australian laws also require unlocked phones. That doesn't mean that carriers don't still have people locked into subsidies. Dec 21 13:22:58 In Italy , for example , if Palm had sold Pre phones unlocked to the normal shops to 500€ , the italian people it would buy in many many units Dec 21 13:24:43 i prefer to pay 500€ for a phone , lock to a carrier it's a terrible choice for italian people Dec 21 13:25:49 Manuel___: I would be interested to see facts on the percentage of factory-unlocked unsubsidised phones sold in Italy. I doubt it would be > 50% Dec 21 13:26:10 (it will be much much higher than in the US, but I doubt it will be > 50%) Dec 21 13:28:08 rwhitby : see on the web , in Italy we buy a phone at entire price . > 80% Dec 21 13:29:34 Morning, all. Dec 21 13:29:43 morning Dec 21 13:30:05 Anyone know how to doctor a pre without a USB connection? Dec 21 13:30:07 we prefer to do what we like to do with a phone, without obeying the carriers conditions Dec 21 13:30:26 Manuel___: we do the same in Australia, but it is nowhere near 80% Dec 21 13:31:07 KGF2009: I think you need the USB connection because if WiFi drops out, you're sorta screwed Dec 21 13:31:23 Manuel___: then you also need to consider the cost of getting apps into Italian, since most Italians will not prefer English apps Dec 21 13:31:41 for that Palm don't sell in Italy , because people won't make contracts with carriers Dec 21 13:31:47 KGF2009: did you break your USB connection or do you want to do an OTA doctor? Dec 21 13:32:41 Sort of the former. The cord is intact and such, but when I connect it to my computer, it isn't detected by the SDK. Dec 21 13:32:50 rwhitby : english or italian is not a problem . If Palm open their jails we Buy Dec 21 13:34:03 is it a pre 2? Dec 21 13:34:21 Manuel___: you should show the market projection figures to HP then Dec 21 13:34:49 KGF2009: you cannot doctor without a working USB connection Dec 21 13:35:21 yes , i hope in HP . They know the important and variety of Europen market !!!!! Dec 21 13:35:28 KGF2009: If it's a Pre 2 or is running webOS 2.0, you need the webOS 2.0 novacom drivers. Dec 21 13:35:48 No, just a regular Pre+. Dec 21 13:36:13 do you have the latest webos doctor version? Dec 21 13:36:27 KGF2009: find a computer that works with another webOS phone. If that doesn't work, your phone hardware is stuffed. Dec 21 13:37:10 webOS doctor version is not relevant for a Pre + that is running a webOS version earlier than 2.0 Dec 21 13:37:17 would webos doctor 1.4 recognize a phone with 1.4.5? Dec 21 13:37:52 I think it's actually software because if I want, I can connect my phone as a USB drive, but just not connect it so that something like 'palm-install' would recognize it. Dec 21 13:37:52 all webOS doctors from 1.0.1 through 1.4.5 recognise all phones running any of those versions Dec 21 13:38:23 KGF2009: use a different computer then Dec 21 13:38:32 yeah, try another computer Dec 21 13:38:43 it could be a novacom driver issue, maybe a reboot would help Dec 21 13:39:46 Could this have anything to do with preware bugging out on me too? Dec 21 13:40:10 maybe? try rebooting the phone and your computer? Dec 21 13:40:19 Just randomly, one day when I opened Preware it said I had no installed packages, when just yesterday I had like, 124. Dec 21 13:40:38 oh, there's an app in preware to fix that Dec 21 13:40:55 sometimes it messes up and does that, it did for me Dec 21 13:40:56 KGF2009: I presume you've tried everything on the WebOS Internals wiki Recovery page before coming here? Dec 21 13:41:01 its one of those emergency apps Dec 21 13:41:06 ERU Dec 21 13:41:29 I wasn't aware of such a page. Dec 21 13:44:55 hi Dec 21 13:45:31 hey MetaView Dec 21 13:46:20 hi HattCzech_work Dec 21 13:46:34 I need soem help with tcpdump on my pre Dec 21 13:46:49 looks like I'm unable to capture somethign usefull Dec 21 13:47:27 how do you do a tcpdump on the pre? Dec 21 13:47:35 in your opinion , PRE , PRE + , PRE 2 : what 'is the most beautiful on the outside? Dec 21 13:47:36 Doctor doesn't delete /media/internal, right? Dec 21 13:47:49 haven't seen it personally, but i'd go with pre2 Dec 21 13:47:57 KGF2009: sepends on Dec 21 13:48:03 s/s/d Dec 21 13:48:27 HattCzech_work: I've installed tcpdump with ipkg-opt Dec 21 13:48:32 Depends on what? Dec 21 13:48:37 and run it from novaterm Dec 21 13:48:47 KGF2009: depends on which doctor Dec 21 13:48:48 KGF2009: i think i heard that the 2.0 might remove the /media/internal folder, but i can't verify that Dec 21 13:48:55 How about 1.4.5? Dec 21 13:48:59 MetaView: cool Dec 21 13:49:08 I haven't even heart about but I guess it's possible ;) Dec 21 13:49:08 i don't recall 1.4.5 doing that Dec 21 13:49:14 it didn't when i upgraded Dec 21 13:49:19 1.4.5 was safe for me Dec 21 13:49:19 Lovely. Dec 21 13:49:45 HattCzech_work: but the dump doesn't help me much Dec 21 13:49:51 Don't want to lose some of the things I have on there, and it'd take forever to back up. Dec 21 13:49:56 I wanted to log some http traffic Dec 21 13:50:08 why would it take forever? Dec 21 13:50:25 I've got about 8GB of things I'd need to back up. XD Dec 21 13:50:26 but on pp0 I get only strange packages and on eth0 the connection dies Dec 21 13:50:37 MetaView: do you have the http server running on your phone as well? :) Dec 21 13:50:50 no, the http server is in the cloud /inet Dec 21 13:50:53 KGF2009: compress and copy Dec 21 13:51:10 ah, okay Dec 21 13:52:03 KGF2009: wifi or usb would probably be reasonable... still somewhat slow... but better than evdo Dec 21 13:52:23 (or 3g for that matter) Dec 21 13:54:14 hello guys , thanks a lot for all Dec 21 13:55:53 That was alot of italien loving Dec 21 13:56:14 hot, hot, hot Dec 21 14:01:18 HattCzech_work: always assume that a doctor will wipe /media/internal, and be pleasantly surprised if it does not. Dec 21 14:01:51 MetaView: tcpdump should work fine. output a pcap file and then view it in wireshark. Dec 21 14:04:34 rwhitby: i don't remember which version i doctored with, but i ended up not having to restore my /media/internal folder Dec 21 14:04:43 (i had backed it up just in case, though) Dec 21 14:05:22 HattCzech_work: correct. with some webOS versions and LVM partition layouts, you will get a pleasant surprise. You should not expect it the next time though. Dec 21 14:05:43 Well you can, but then you don't get to complain if it does wipe it, cause you've then been a silly fellow. Dec 21 14:06:13 heheh, yeah Dec 21 14:06:26 If you anything on your device without making a backup first, you take the risk. Dec 21 14:06:34 i've needed to doctor for a while, but i've been waiting patiently for 2.0 Dec 21 14:07:39 rwhitby: can you give me an example which should work? Dec 21 14:08:12 pp0 just logs strange packets and eth0 leads to "can't find host" error messages Dec 21 14:08:20 I'm connected over wifi Dec 21 14:08:32 tcpdump -i eth0 Dec 21 14:08:38 connect with novaterm Dec 21 14:08:45 I'll do both Dec 21 14:08:55 and the browser stops working then Dec 21 14:09:02 I'll try again Dec 21 14:10:35 looks not good Dec 21 14:11:04 couldn't resolve host name Dec 21 14:17:10 viSolix how are you? Dec 21 14:18:03 hey hotdp: doin good, & you? Dec 21 14:18:31 also here Dec 21 14:18:34 just waitin for kids late start to school (snow) heh Dec 21 14:18:40 good Dec 21 14:18:40 ahh Dec 21 14:19:03 you get ur car yet? Dec 21 14:19:10 Still looking Dec 21 14:19:23 will buy in a month or two Dec 21 14:19:39 yeah, I'd be thourough :) Dec 21 14:20:07 wonder if it be cheaper to buy one in the US, and ship it ;) Dec 21 14:22:10 sheesh, my kids go on xmas break thursday, the had half day yesterday(closed early cause snow), and now a late start today.. meh. why bother, just call it early vacation. haha Dec 21 14:22:41 viSolix nope. Not cheaper the 180% tax is also added to import Dec 21 14:23:03 * hotdp would like all that vacation Dec 21 14:23:13 ah, ya I suppose so Dec 21 14:23:31 @vacation, ya no kidding! :) Dec 21 14:24:01 rwhitby, "As of WebOS 1.3.1 your USB data (Pictures, Videos, etc.) is no longer deleted during the process." Dec 21 14:27:28 KGF2009: yep, and if you believe that for all future versions, then you deserve to have them deleted :) Dec 21 14:27:45 heh Dec 21 14:28:23 backup.backup.backup.. they Only thing that matters.. ;) Dec 21 14:29:25 Define 'future versions'? Dec 21 14:34:40 looking fwd to vzn & 4G. :/ Dec 21 14:35:12 is rsync easy to get setup on the pre? Dec 21 14:38:57 MetaView: does 'Van Canto' mean anything in german? Dec 21 14:40:53 is there anyone here who knows novacom and windows ? very urgent and important need. Dec 21 14:42:08 what about it Dec 21 14:49:32 ctladvance: are you able to stream stuff out of novacom run .... and store it in a file on windows? Dec 21 14:50:49 ctladvance: e.g.: "novacom run file://bin/tar -- -C /tmp/media/ --totals -cf - . > foo.tar" ? Dec 21 14:55:25 hmm Dec 21 14:56:37 maybe Dec 21 14:56:45 let me plug in my phone Dec 21 14:58:35 it seems to want to do it, would need an actual command to test with Dec 21 15:15:21 just telling me I am not using it right Dec 21 15:20:16 badonk Dec 21 15:27:48 ctladvance: we got it, thanks Dec 21 15:27:50 funkatron: hey Dec 21 15:28:01 re rwhitby Dec 21 15:29:22 I wonder if palm fixed submissions yet Dec 21 15:29:42 fixes` Dec 21 15:42:49 and the verdict is: no, still broken, 18 hours later Dec 21 15:49:42 What is? Dec 21 15:50:21 your mom? Dec 21 15:53:47 Palm app submissions. At least for me Dec 21 15:54:49 what heppens? Dec 21 15:56:27 spins a long long time, then displays the error "We cannot save your app submission at this time. Palm has been notified. Please try sbmttg your app later" Dec 21 15:59:06 ohh that not good Dec 21 15:59:12 i submittet two today Dec 21 16:08:06 great… Dec 21 16:12:52 maybe I'll just murder everyone Dec 21 17:10:11 hi I'd need some help with webos events Dec 21 18:10:44 HDMI out on my webOS tablet? Yes, please! Dec 21 18:11:31 for what use? :D Dec 21 18:11:37 projector? Dec 21 18:12:14 exhibition mode on my big screen :D Dec 21 18:27:25 lol yer that would be nice Dec 21 18:28:31 special my next app for exhibition ;) Dec 21 18:30:08 Would submitting an app that uses an API under open source break the TOS, because it lets others see the app's API key? Dec 21 18:32:04 oh man, I wonder if anybody's been working on making PS3 controllers work as input devices in webOS Dec 21 18:32:31 exhibition on big screen with next/prev control from the controller Dec 21 18:32:37 that would kick ass Dec 21 18:33:51 KGF2009: what do you mean? The API is open-source or your app is open-source? Dec 21 18:34:16 btw, if your app isn't open-source, that doesn't mean people can't look at your source :D Dec 21 18:35:26 Then how am I to follow the API's TOS of keeping the API key a secret? D: Dec 21 18:35:48 encrypt the api key. Dec 21 18:35:57 :-) Dec 21 18:36:43 But if they can see the source, they can see how it was encrypted, and decrypt it; can't they? Dec 21 18:36:55