**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Dec 23 02:59:58 2010 Dec 23 03:22:32 seriously... Dec 23 03:22:40 im gonna have to make 240 image objects? Dec 23 03:23:09 lol Dec 23 03:24:01 stupid dog.. Dec 23 03:24:12 goes to the front door every time to let me know she wants to go outside Dec 23 03:24:19 lol Dec 23 03:24:21 240 image objects for what? Dec 23 03:24:21 but she always goes out the side door.. Dec 23 03:24:33 brb Dec 23 03:24:37 you can sprite them to decrease load time Dec 23 03:31:31 yeh the images are loaded once, but then i reuse those image objects in my sprite objects (duh) but i only have 4 sprites, and a gameboard of 240 blocks(sprites) if i dont create a sprite object for each block a 'selected' mode gets applied to all of the same sprite Dec 23 03:31:56 like right now if i tap a blue block all the blues highlight Dec 23 03:32:03 i dont want that ;p Dec 23 03:32:40 yeah, because you're doing it class-based, no? Dec 23 03:32:48 no css at all Dec 23 03:33:12 doing this in canvas Dec 23 03:33:13 is this a PDK app? Dec 23 03:33:17 oh Dec 23 03:33:30 i don't know about canvas, nvm Dec 23 03:33:58 i figured it would just draw the image, but since i switch frames inside the sprite object (which is reused for each color) when it draws it draws them all as the highlight frame Dec 23 03:34:15 if i had seperate objects for each block that wouldnt happen but thats alot of objects Dec 23 03:34:35 you could make a new object for what's clicked only Dec 23 03:36:16 erm.. according to chrome taskmanager theres a leak in my js heh Dec 23 03:36:27 memory keeps climbing and all its doing is redrawing.. hrm Dec 23 04:05:30 erm.. 240 sprite objects does increase memory buy alot.. and even then it didnt work (tried a object clone func that apparently doesnt work) Dec 23 04:32:42 hi, can someone help me with what may be a very simple issue Dec 23 04:32:56 my phone's screen stays on when in a call Dec 23 04:33:08 consequently, i drop lots of calls or press buttons Dec 23 04:33:55 i've removed the phone's screen cover and have reset my phone to factory...but not working Dec 23 04:37:40 eh Dec 23 04:37:43 impatient? Dec 23 04:39:12 Apparently. Dec 23 04:41:47 http://twitter.com/#!/crobcary/status/17797884866990080 - damn the webos critisism is still going on twitter Dec 23 04:43:33 critisism -- about WHAT? Dec 23 04:48:43 all the same stuff it seems .. no new hardware, hardware being mediocre if not somewhat subpar, tightlipped about 2.0 .. no software update for a while .. blah blah blah Dec 23 04:48:59 it'll be interesting to see if the blogs complain when CES comes and goes with no announcements Dec 23 04:49:07 :p Dec 23 04:49:16 it will also be interesting to see if they get any good press at MWC Dec 23 05:12:25 has anyone noticed how "autoFocus" on text fields is NEVER honored? Dec 23 05:15:25 yep Dec 23 08:15:15 Hold op, når Jesper først er startet er ahn svær og stoppe igen :D Dec 23 10:35:06 someone tho know titanium? Dec 23 10:35:23 titanium? Dec 23 10:35:35 appcelerator Dec 23 10:36:03 oh right Dec 23 10:37:11 vs. phonegap would like to know a little more Dec 23 10:37:48 hp/palm seems to like phonegap more, don't know anything beyond that Dec 23 10:37:55 k Dec 23 10:37:59 or maybe phonegap likes hp/palm more than titanium does? Dec 23 10:38:54 i think mayeb it has something todo with phonegap supporting Palm and titanium not ;) Dec 23 10:39:35 oh, then get off this channel :P Dec 23 11:58:21 my download counts dissappeared Dec 23 11:58:35 everyone uninstalled it Dec 23 11:58:37 sorry bro Dec 23 11:58:58 does someone have same issue? Dec 23 12:07:05 sorry, this is usually an alright time to ask such questions Dec 23 12:07:19 i don't have a mainstream app yet otherwise i'd help Dec 23 12:09:13 leiru i do not have that problem Dec 23 12:09:31 ohh Dec 23 12:09:36 Is it a free app? Dec 23 12:10:52 yes it's free Dec 23 12:11:06 then its gone for me too Dec 23 12:11:27 But it might be because the only precise count is on paid apps Dec 23 12:12:39 lol-> http://www.precentral.net/app_gallery-app_catalog Dec 23 12:12:46 every app 0 downloads Dec 23 12:13:15 great! Dec 23 12:13:18 ;(( Dec 23 12:13:37 LOL Dec 23 12:13:41 I think its fine Dec 23 12:13:43 probably related to them fixing the free apps not available in some countries issue Dec 23 12:13:47 the count was not correct Dec 23 12:14:52 do they have no staging and always working in live-area? Dec 23 12:15:05 i am confused about. Dec 23 12:15:32 If you update the app 10 times the number is not correct Dec 23 12:15:45 because its not "persons" who downloaded the app but times the app was downloaded Dec 23 12:15:50 that number is useless Dec 23 12:27:17 grml Dec 23 14:32:52 ooh bout to watch inception thanks to tivo and amazon (got a free $5 credit for amazon ondemand) Dec 23 14:40:13 in the process, 2 hours in... Dec 23 14:47:38 Where's the SDK example code buried in Ubuntu? Dec 23 14:48:40 in /opt i think Dec 23 14:48:50 /opt/Palm/SDK . Dec 23 14:49:00 Thanks. Dec 23 14:49:10 thats where it is on mac Dec 23 14:50:01 Hm. Yeah, here, /opt/Palm/ has a 'novacom' directory. Dec 23 14:50:31 Aha. Found it. /opt/PalmSDK/0.1/share/samplecode/ Dec 23 15:14:07 lively crowd this christmas-eve-eve Dec 23 15:14:32 is it the 24th already? Dec 23 15:14:44 Eve-eve. It's the 23rd. Dec 23 15:15:10 ah, had something blocking the second eve, convenient Dec 23 15:15:25 XD Dec 23 15:15:28 heheh Dec 23 15:17:07 I'm trying work on an app that I might actually use myself. :3 Dec 23 15:18:04 what's it do? unless it's a super duper app :) Dec 23 15:18:49 Nothing super-duper; just an app to help stay organized in school. Dec 23 15:19:09 heard of Due Yesterday for PalmOS? Dec 23 15:19:21 I have not. Dec 23 15:19:27 if PalmOS had notifications, that would have been the ultimate app Dec 23 15:19:32 KGF2009: my problem this semester was keeping myself from starting apps when I had other stuff to do Dec 23 15:19:46 look into it, it's a free app that kept track of everything Dec 23 15:20:24 my college turns out to have it all in 'bSpace' (the local Sakai implementation) Dec 23 15:20:29 but for high school it was great Dec 23 15:21:40 Seems like a large shadow to fill, but I'll give it my best. Dec 23 15:22:22 haha, you're competing against a dinosaur, don't worry Dec 23 15:22:51 just mentioning it so you don't have to think about all the different possibilities, you can just copy his schema Dec 23 15:23:29 Right; I've already got a few ideas in mind. The problem is putting them into the app and making them look good. XD Dec 23 15:23:38 That's my worst issue in WebOS; styling. Dec 23 15:24:18 yeah I hear you there Dec 23 15:25:22 But, here goes nothing. Dec 23 15:25:48 morning all Dec 23 15:29:26 that's the point of ares, no? Dec 23 15:30:50 Tried Ares. Can -not- work with it. XP Dec 23 15:38:18 Eh..For something like this, that will store class information for x (user-defined) amount of classes; assignments, due dates, etc. Do I need more than 1MB of database? Dec 23 15:39:12 hmm, seems like you will if they put a whole year worth of classes and assignments, no? Dec 23 15:39:29 let's say ~200bytes per assignment? Dec 23 15:40:10 ~1 assignment a week per class, 4 classes, and 32 weeks in the semester system means 128 assignments Dec 23 15:40:37 that's only 25kb per semester, or 50kb for a year Dec 23 15:40:54 Hm. Dec 23 15:40:57 as long as it's only text, you won't be needing 1MB Dec 23 15:41:00 Nowhere close. XD Dec 23 15:41:32 oh, and you can charge for a cloud option Dec 23 15:41:54 so if you were to make the app free, you can charge to keep backups and to sync to a web instance Dec 23 15:42:14 which would probably be your WebOS app with no Mojo calls Dec 23 15:42:52 or you could just charge for the app and ignore the secondary monetization option Dec 23 15:43:18 Nah, I'm keeping my apps free, at least until I get better at them than I am now. XP Dec 23 15:44:19 then the cloud option is a good update along the way that adds monetization to the app without changing things Dec 23 15:45:58 Right. Dec 23 15:47:05 i can provide the server setup as a partial partner Dec 23 15:53:06 * KGF2009 nodnods. Dec 23 15:55:56 fahhem: could be a good opportunity to provide a cloud backup service for other devs who don't have the time or skills to do it themselves... Dec 23 15:57:31 Now my only issue is figuring out how to re-order the class list if my data is stored in SQL. Hm. Dec 23 15:58:52 haeffb_pre: yeah, but i don't know many real app devs to talk to about pricing Dec 23 15:59:13 i need to see what sort of prices would make sense to them, and then if those prices make sense to me Dec 23 16:06:45 you'd be charging the user, nit the dev... Dec 23 16:07:13 set up an api that I can easily use in an app... Dec 23 16:46:40 hy Dec 23 16:47:16 what about release of patch for 2.0? Dec 23 16:50:06 nobody here? Dec 23 17:01:12 patches will be released for 2.0 as they are produced. Dec 23 17:08:43 Okay, I've tried like, 5 different syntaxes..How does one push a scene? Dec 23 17:15:50 http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1872&Itemid=244#.pushScene Dec 23 17:17:51 haeffb_pre or haeffb: are you still around? Dec 23 17:18:12 because now i'm curious what kind of an API would make sense for generic cloud backups Dec 23 17:18:34 should i just accept JSON and pass it back? Dec 23 17:30:23 Do I have to sanitize my SQL input or is WebOS one of those platforms that does it for you? Dec 23 17:32:53 you have to sanitize Dec 23 17:33:07 there are good calls for that in the library that is included in mojo Dec 23 17:33:25 Oh? Dec 23 17:33:41 fahhem: yes, that would work. need a user login system as well. and ideally a way to make incremental backups and full restore. Dec 23 17:37:08 relevant: http://xkcd.com/327/ Dec 23 17:38:41 Seen it. XD Dec 23 17:39:23 Rick_work, what kind of calls? I can't seem to find any. Dec 23 17:41:25 haeffb_pre: hmm, could a APP_SECRET_KEY work? Dec 23 17:41:48 i guess if the JSON is made of a list of objects, i can add an 'append' feature Dec 23 17:42:26 yeah, this seems rather feasible, i'll see what i come up with in my head and post any feedback questions here Dec 23 17:52:37 Is oil here> Dec 23 17:52:38 ? Dec 23 17:53:21 nope Dec 23 17:53:28 sweet Dec 23 17:53:31 lol Dec 23 17:53:32 how are you doing today Dec 23 17:53:39 alright Dec 23 17:53:43 good good Dec 23 17:53:59 yourself? Dec 23 17:54:06 doing well thanks Dec 23 17:54:22 I figured that I would ask you as you seem to bring the awesome Dec 23 17:54:29 haha Dec 23 17:54:37 I was wondering how your franken pre went and if you made any headway on it Dec 23 17:54:50 uh Dec 23 17:54:53 you mean, pre2 on sprint? Dec 23 17:55:13 yes sir Dec 23 17:55:17 its still in wait mode Dec 23 17:55:28 the comboard i used from my dev pre- i got from ebay Dec 23 17:55:37 is apparently still activated on dudes account Dec 23 17:55:41 lol Dec 23 17:55:47 and sprint wouldnt let me activate it on mine Dec 23 17:55:51 until he calls and deactivates it Dec 23 17:55:54 oy Dec 23 17:55:56 so, im waiting for him to do it Dec 23 17:56:17 Do we have a detailed set of steps for how to do this? Dec 23 17:56:40 i think some were posted in the precentral forums by the webosworld guy who did it Dec 23 17:57:07 do you just know what your doing? are you just that awesome? Dec 23 17:57:14 ;) Dec 23 17:57:16 haha Dec 23 17:57:26 rwhitby was helping Dec 23 17:57:34 and by helping, i mean telling me to "do this, now do this" Dec 23 17:57:35 xD Dec 23 17:57:43 ah ok Dec 23 17:58:01 so then rwhitby brings the awesome?!? Dec 23 17:58:03 :D Dec 23 17:58:09 yeah Dec 23 17:58:13 everyone in webosinternals does :() Dec 23 17:58:22 :) * Dec 23 17:58:39 lulz Dec 23 17:58:41 ok since you made my pre- usable, ill give you that :-P Dec 23 17:58:46 though, i've got the best title: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WhoIsWho Dec 23 17:59:27 haha Dec 23 17:59:35 aha Responsibility: Minister of Awesomeness Dec 23 17:59:35 Dec 23 18:00:31 I'd probably be better at WebOS-Internals sort of things than I am at making apps. XP Dec 23 18:00:58 so my next question would be, is rwhitby here Dec 23 18:01:11 all i do for my webosinternals sort of things is make apps Dec 23 18:01:13 I'd imagine he's sleeping Dec 23 18:01:21 yeah, not day time there yet Dec 23 18:01:24 yeah thats what I was thinking Dec 23 18:01:27 I just need to learn more. Dec 23 18:01:29 wait till after noon our time and he should be around Dec 23 18:01:52 though, its already christmas eve there Dec 23 18:02:04 heh "our time" Dec 23 18:02:13 Hooray for west coast! Dec 23 18:02:27 it's 1PM you hosers Dec 23 18:02:45 * Loudergood hasn't ever figured out what that means Dec 23 18:02:47 noon Dec 23 18:04:33 ok, i mean, my time Dec 23 18:04:37 east cost time is wrong Dec 23 18:04:47 s/cost/coast/ Dec 23 18:04:51 oilsworkn: what is your time? Dec 23 18:05:02 west coast Dec 23 18:05:03 lol Dec 23 18:05:33 lol, right Dec 23 18:05:56 if I think in west coast time I get up waaayyy too early Dec 23 18:06:32 where are you located? Dec 23 18:07:57 oilsworkn: N or S ? Dec 23 18:08:06 * oilsworkn is in washington state Dec 23 18:08:23 oilsworkn: seattle or elsewhere? Dec 23 18:08:33 elsewhere Dec 23 18:08:35 way N Dec 23 18:08:37 yakima Dec 23 18:08:44 its like, 2 hours east of seattle Dec 23 18:08:46 by car Dec 23 18:08:50 er Dec 23 18:08:53 yeah Dec 23 18:09:05 so, almost in the middle of nowhere Dec 23 18:09:10 yeah Dec 23 18:09:14 lol Dec 23 18:09:19 * gkatsev is in boston Dec 23 18:09:33 though, broadband internet means im in the middle of everywhere :) Dec 23 18:09:37 "working" Dec 23 18:09:52 you're in the middle of #webos, that's for sure. :P Dec 23 18:10:23 lol Dec 23 18:10:32 * KGF2009 is in Tacoma. :o Dec 23 18:10:56 been there a few times Dec 23 18:11:06 I'm in the middle of nowhere, Northeastern VT Dec 23 18:11:38 its hard to be productive at work when there is construction going on Dec 23 18:12:06 some kind of grinding noise and lots of hammers Dec 23 18:12:15 it's hard to be productive at work when it is 2 days before christmas and there are only like 5 people on your floor instead of like 20 Dec 23 18:12:19 it's hard to be productive at work when nobody is around Dec 23 18:12:28 exactly what gkatsev said Dec 23 18:12:47 well, there is normally not many people around here Dec 23 18:13:11 but opening irc when i get to work, is probably worse for productivity then the construction xD Dec 23 18:13:22 hehe, there are 5 people total at the WISP I work for Dec 23 18:14:53 * ctladvance is in NY Dec 23 18:15:04 yeah Ill check back with him later on Dec 23 18:15:18 did you go to devdays? Dec 23 18:15:27 no, had a baby 3 days prior Dec 23 18:15:31 really wanted to go Dec 23 18:15:37 aw Dec 23 18:15:43 baby is important business though Dec 23 18:15:52 slightly Dec 23 18:15:56 i believe thats also why swisstomcat didn't attend Dec 23 18:15:57 it was only about a 3.5 hour drive traffic permitting to where they had it Dec 23 18:17:19 yeah baby was more important, so I was unable to attend Dec 23 18:17:45 bah, baby wouldn't have remembered if you were there or not, lol Dec 23 18:17:55 it took me longer than I wanted to admit to drive/train there...I was so tired by 1PM Dec 23 18:18:36 oilsworkn: true, I bet someone else had an opinion though ;) Dec 23 18:19:02 true, haha Dec 23 18:19:26 you were there Loudergood? Dec 23 18:19:36 * oilsworkn doesnt think we met Dec 23 18:19:50 yeah, I was the zombie, I got up at 2am on saturday and traveled down to NY Dec 23 18:20:00 I didn't meet many people unfortunately Dec 23 18:20:10 Loudergood - where are you located Dec 23 18:20:21 northern Vermont Dec 23 18:20:34 I drove down to CT and took the train in Dec 23 18:20:53 nice Dec 23 18:23:03 im surprised we dont have a propper webOS internals instruction sheet for the swap Dec 23 18:23:24 lol Dec 23 18:23:39 Is there anything in SQL that can surround text other than " and ' ? Dec 23 18:23:51 swapping the board is easy Dec 23 18:24:00 I've thought about it with my pre-plus Dec 23 18:24:07 Yeah I figure that, not sure what to do with the software though Dec 23 18:24:09 it's the token/firmware part that's hard right? Dec 23 18:24:28 the only trickey part is the slide clips back to gether at the top of hte kb Dec 23 18:24:33 that took me a few tries to get right Dec 23 18:26:22 I just got my pre 2 this morning Dec 23 18:26:24 yeah, my pre2 w/sprint commsboard is just sitting there, waiting for an email from ebay dude :( Dec 23 18:27:37 yeah mine just sits most of the time... Dec 23 18:27:53 well, it would be in my pocket getting used Dec 23 18:28:01 if i could activate it Dec 23 18:28:05 I would assume this would be a working device once its done Dec 23 18:28:11 aside from possible profile issues Dec 23 18:28:21 which I havent heard if they have worked out Dec 23 18:28:31 yeah, im not going to move my main profile to it until im sure itl work Dec 23 18:28:41 yeah so far as I know they haven't Dec 23 18:29:17 anything will be better than this sprint pre Dec 23 18:29:56 the only part im not looking forward to: Dec 23 18:30:00 3x3 ;( Dec 23 18:30:34 yeah that's true... Dec 23 18:31:10 3x3? Dec 23 18:31:16 in the launcher you mean? Dec 23 18:31:36 or am i missing something Dec 23 18:32:02 yeah Dec 23 18:32:27 the launcher isn't js/html/css in 2.0 Dec 23 18:33:29 They really need to focus on improvements to the usability. For instance, they should look at the patches and impliment them in a more usefull manner. Dec 23 18:33:48 there is no reason why anyone should have to patch their devices for some of the basic stuff Dec 23 18:33:50 there is patching though Dec 23 18:33:51 and its so easy Dec 23 18:34:08 patching is a hassle Dec 23 18:34:38 it is? Dec 23 18:34:47 to a normal user.. Dec 23 18:35:07 I mean if I have time or the want to tinker its not Dec 23 18:35:47 however, if I need to do something and the only way to get it is through a patch, thats really bad Dec 23 18:36:08 i dont understand how thats a bad thing Dec 23 18:36:27 id say that you can easily install a patch to make it do exactly what you want is a good thing Dec 23 18:36:39 I get it if its bleeding edge of patches, but within 1 or 2 updates it should be incorporated some way. Whether they work with the patch owner or just redesign it so it doesnt matter Dec 23 18:36:44 not being able to do anything about it is better? Dec 23 18:36:56 I didnt say ot was bad, just that its a hassle Dec 23 18:37:26 * oilsworkn doesn't understand Dec 23 18:37:32 it's not the patchability that's bad Dec 23 18:37:41 it's the NEED for patches that's bad Dec 23 18:37:45 Im saying palm should see what is happening and designing their software to make the patches not required Dec 23 18:37:54 exactly Dec 23 18:38:02 the fact that we can change the system is awesome Dec 23 18:38:12 of course then you get into KDE vs Gnome arguments Dec 23 18:38:12 the fact that I need to do it is not Dec 23 18:38:21 they make the software with options which are best for general users Dec 23 18:38:24 we're power users Dec 23 18:38:34 I would disagree Dec 23 18:39:25 again, kde vs gnome...do you provide all the toggles out in the open, or focus on making a "one true way" solution Dec 23 18:39:50 of course...I am a kde user....so...ha Dec 23 18:39:57 while i would usually think toggles in the open is better Dec 23 18:40:06 but i'm a tinkerer, a power user Dec 23 18:40:25 your grandmother doesn't want a phone with a gazillion options Dec 23 18:40:30 no Dec 23 18:40:44 but you can just put them in an advanced options section Dec 23 18:40:50 that way she didnt have to use them Dec 23 18:40:54 unless she wanted to Dec 23 18:41:31 * oilsworkn thinks the way its setup now is perfect Dec 23 18:41:41 at least we don't have to settle for the android solution that seems to be "reflash your whole phone anytime you want a big change in the UI" Dec 23 18:41:59 oilsworkn: nah, preware installed from the factory would be perfect ;) Dec 23 18:42:27 that would be far too much pressure Dec 23 18:42:27 lol Dec 23 18:42:31 haha Dec 23 18:44:03 I think if your going to allow the option to patch your os, if you dont start incorporating similar features, you will build resentment and anger with many of your user base. Dec 23 18:44:38 Also the market will play us down at that point Dec 23 18:45:35 I don't think the market cares that much Dec 23 18:45:48 still seems to be more about bling and "brand" Dec 23 18:46:39 well, you can't make everyone happy with defaults Dec 23 18:46:57 and if they were to add patch-style options in an "advanced" preferences for every app Dec 23 18:47:06 it would become far too complicated Dec 23 18:47:12 and they STILL wouldn't be able to make everyone happy Dec 23 18:47:32 why would they need to patch it Dec 23 18:47:38 why not just have it built in Dec 23 18:47:47 just toggles Dec 23 18:47:55 o\ crew Dec 23 18:47:55 "well they added the option to put battery percent in the top bar, but they did horizontal, i want it vertical!" Dec 23 18:48:07 by default they would have it set for default users Dec 23 18:48:20 right, but you can have too many options Dec 23 18:48:23 well some of it would need to be patched Dec 23 18:48:27 in general though Dec 23 18:48:37 I get what your saying Dec 23 18:48:46 i agree that some things are no-brainers and should be moved into the code Dec 23 18:48:47 yeah you wouldnt make everyone happy Dec 23 18:48:57 like, uncommenting the new pages in launcher Dec 23 18:49:20 but there are many patches that could be implemented in a way that would help increase the OS usability Dec 23 18:49:35 but some things are so specific to who wants it, including every conceivable option for everything is never going to happen Dec 23 18:49:44 and for starters, would you like your device set for battery life or performance to increase the clock speed Dec 23 18:49:47 just like any pc Dec 23 18:49:58 lol Dec 23 18:50:02 :D Dec 23 18:50:13 I think most linux build have that option as well Dec 23 18:50:23 if I remember right Dec 23 18:50:34 I don't know, the two best things I did for battery life were overclocking and turning off 3G Dec 23 18:50:59 ctladvance, yeah they do Dec 23 18:51:18 ctladvance: another reason for not having a million options for everything Dec 23 18:51:19 is support Dec 23 18:51:57 when your grandmother accidentially makes it into the advanced settings and changes something Dec 23 18:52:12 well that could be argued that if your going to provide a good os, you need to provide good support Dec 23 18:52:30 then also you have an emergency reset settings button Dec 23 18:52:32 that's when you put in a Dr. button next to the battery ;) Dec 23 18:52:34 oilsworkn, that's kind of a cop out though... there are plenty of ways of making it hard for a granny to get into advanced options Dec 23 18:52:52 ie: two-three part "are you sure?" msg Dec 23 18:52:54 also why not have the advanced settings behind Dec 23 18:52:55 hide them behind the konami code Dec 23 18:53:04 webos20090606blameoil Dec 23 18:53:11 lol Dec 23 18:53:25 blameoil reminds me of blamecanada Dec 23 18:53:40 ...needs a theme song Dec 23 18:54:35 oh great Dec 23 18:55:04 ...i'm just sayin' Dec 23 18:56:16 the moral of the story is: Dec 23 18:56:26 palm should just take ctladvances installed patch list, and get that included into webos Dec 23 18:56:31 the rest of us will keep patching :) Dec 23 18:57:06 lol not mine, we need to get a good eval of all patches and see what would be reasonable Dec 23 18:57:16 then what ever isnt included we can keep patching :) Dec 23 18:57:21 they should just provide built-in options for all the patches currently available. Even if they put it behind a 'webos20090606blameoil' app :) Dec 23 18:57:22 because its such a hassle to be able to customize the os to exactly what you personally want Dec 23 18:57:43 to general users, yes it is Dec 23 18:57:56 general users don't know about preware and patching Dec 23 18:57:57 someday I'll get around to writing that preware version of debian's popularity contest... Dec 23 18:57:58 oh, that's what ctladvance was basically saying, lol Dec 23 18:57:59 they're not missing out Dec 23 18:58:00 I would say you could directly correlate that to lower device sales Dec 23 18:58:40 palm should just include preware -experminal/testing as a hidden app Dec 23 18:58:55 that would be far too much pressure Dec 23 18:59:10 it would make my hobby feel like a job, and it wouldnt be fun anymore Dec 23 18:59:11 lol Dec 23 18:59:16 lol Dec 23 18:59:45 the next logical step involves palm sending you buckets of cash Dec 23 19:00:16 then you hire unpaid interns to take the pressure off Dec 23 19:00:28 hopefully it would actually come in buckets Dec 23 19:00:49 * ctladvance looks for buckets he can openly take cash out of :) Dec 23 19:00:51 webosinternals could always use more mojo devs Dec 23 19:01:06 * ctladvance hopes for oils sake its checks Dec 23 19:01:10 rwhitby has been trying to get someone to code the background autosave feature into save/restore for a while Dec 23 19:01:28 ive not done it just to see if someone else will ever step up :) Dec 23 19:01:58 lol Dec 23 19:02:12 pffft Dec 23 19:02:22 that's a good idea, oil Dec 23 19:02:25 I think what you need is a junior jobs list like kde has... Dec 23 19:02:30 has it worked yet? Dec 23 19:02:37 hehe Dec 23 19:02:47 HattCzech_work: not as yet Dec 23 19:03:11 if i had the time, i would Dec 23 19:03:25 maybe that will happen soon Dec 23 19:03:30 but my lazyness is directly proportionate to the number of things to do Dec 23 19:03:36 i need to update my apps first Dec 23 19:03:53 isn't that the way develpment works? Dec 23 19:03:55 I used to say I had no ideas, and now I'm too busy..but I'll do some stuff "in the coming months" Dec 23 19:03:56 the more there is, the less i want to do it Dec 23 19:03:56 lol Dec 23 19:04:20 there is other webosinternals projects on the burner that need js devs Dec 23 19:04:26 too Dec 23 19:04:38 How skilled would one need to be? Dec 23 19:04:53 idk Dec 23 19:05:36 in coming months should be our new tagline Dec 23 19:05:56 Were planning on realeasing some Epic application that is just awesome, in coming months Dec 23 19:06:00 I already told my boss I didn't want any extra hours over break, so that "should" help me get caught up Dec 23 19:06:11 procrastinator's of #webos & #webos-internals, unite! tomorrow! Dec 23 19:06:27 ugh, no ' Dec 23 19:06:29 maybe after that, it's the holidays :) Dec 23 19:06:33 we should use that whenever anyone comes to ask about a franken doctor Dec 23 19:07:01 i am done for now, everyone have a good holiday weekend Dec 23 19:07:05 while hard work may pay off eventually, procrastination always pays now Dec 23 19:07:15 very true indeed Dec 23 19:07:15 later HattCzech_work Dec 23 19:07:21 that's ture, it is very prompt Dec 23 19:08:50 * oilsworkn has a tshirt that says "procrastinate: because if the world ends tomorrow you wont have to do it" Dec 23 19:10:53 "Why do today, what you can put off until tomorrow?" Dec 23 19:11:38 i think my favorite "de-motivational" poster is the procrastinate one Dec 23 19:11:50 i'm with that oil... the woman always gets on my case cause i procrastinate on the foreplay. i keep telling her she's lucky i don't procrastinate off the sex... Dec 23 19:11:50 that just has a white box and is all "ill find a picture for it later" Dec 23 19:12:10 oilsworkn: haha Dec 23 19:12:31 lol Dec 23 19:12:49 http://community.spiceworks.com/attachments/post/0001/8342/procrastination-demotivational-poster.jpg Dec 23 19:12:51 that one Dec 23 19:13:01 nice Dec 23 19:13:06 haha Dec 23 19:13:07 lol Dec 23 19:17:24 how the hell do you lose a processor Dec 23 19:19:22 by putting it away somewhere so you dont lose it? Dec 23 19:19:53 heh Dec 23 19:19:58 that'd be the case for me... Dec 23 19:20:08 ...but my father in law Dec 23 19:20:13 * mugen- scratches his head. Dec 23 19:26:05 * ctladvance needs a bluetooth keyboard now Dec 23 19:26:24 * oilsworkn uses bt kb at his desk at home Dec 23 19:26:52 originally i was all "hey, if i need my whole desk, i can just move it out of the way" Dec 23 19:26:59 think ive done that once or twice, lol Dec 23 19:27:54 though hp/palms bluetooth keyboard looks pretty nice Dec 23 19:30:44 mm Dec 23 19:33:16 * oilsworkn hopes the webos tablet is good Dec 23 19:37:14 * Tibfib played with a galaxy tab yesterday for 10 seconds Dec 23 19:37:18 I want a tablet. Dec 23 19:37:27 galaxy tab != webos tablet Dec 23 19:37:29 :) Dec 23 19:37:48 I didn't say I wanted a galaxy tab :) Dec 23 19:38:33 Anyone know how I could make a list's item template show the child of an object in the items array? Dec 23 19:38:52 I wonder if the HP tablet has the same guts as the HP windows tablet Dec 23 19:39:25 KGF2009: always wondered how to do that myself Dec 23 19:39:50 KGF2009: you could use a formatter Dec 23 19:39:56 ctladvance: I doubt it, windows only ran on x86/amd64/itanium while webos runs on arm. Dec 23 19:40:04 Tibfib, a what? Dec 23 19:40:10 gkatsev: webos runs on x86 Dec 23 19:40:16 see: emulator Dec 23 19:40:19 http://webos101.com/List#List_formatters Dec 23 19:40:39 oilsworkn: oh, right. But x86 aren't very efficient Dec 23 19:40:48 battery wise, at least Dec 23 19:41:00 well, thats another issue i know nothing about :) Dec 23 19:41:17 well, I just would assume they would switch to a more efficient chip Dec 23 19:41:39 Tibfib, so i take it you got everything working then? sorry i popped off to bed last night Dec 23 19:41:52 dawm: I did! Dec 23 19:41:55 works perfectly Dec 23 19:42:01 as it should ;p Dec 23 19:42:04 * oilsworkn had never seen formatters before clicking that link xD Dec 23 19:42:15 oilsworkn: really? I thought you used them in preware Dec 23 19:42:24 webos runs via emulator, but some people have re-compiled everything for x86 and ran it natively Dec 23 19:42:31 Tibfib: nope Dec 23 19:42:46 oilsworkn: you should think about it :) Dec 23 19:42:48 there's a youtube about it somewhere Dec 23 19:42:49 fahhem: the emulator in the sdk isn't emulating arm Dec 23 19:42:50 I think the emulator emulates an arm system doesn it Dec 23 19:43:00 no Dec 23 19:43:01 are you sure oil Dec 23 19:43:04 ok Dec 23 19:43:05 the emulator is x86. Dec 23 19:43:06 its a x86 build of webos Dec 23 19:43:22 oh, so i can push the emulator disk to a native disk and boot? Dec 23 19:43:24 our c services for things like preware/etc are built seperately for the emu Dec 23 19:43:34 fahhem: someone did it with an old dell laptop a while ago Dec 23 19:43:40 oilsworkn: do you work at palm? Dec 23 19:43:43 fahhem: people have gotten it to work Dec 23 19:43:45 lol, no Dec 23 19:44:44 i thought they recompiled, i guess their work wasn't as awesome if they just ran a dd or something Dec 23 19:45:00 lol Dec 23 19:45:19 i dont think the guy who did it onto a dell laptop went further then just showing it booting Dec 23 19:45:40 once the emulator supports more screen sizes, they could probably make it boot fullscreen :) Dec 23 19:45:49 the emulator does :) Dec 23 19:45:58 pretty sure the video included opening an app or two and the launcher Dec 23 19:46:02 you can change the vbox settings to make it whatever size you want Dec 23 19:46:10 the tablet space should get really interesting next year Dec 23 19:46:13 gkatsev: without a touchscreen? Dec 23 19:46:22 afaik there is no mouse input Dec 23 19:46:33 they used the keyboard through univ search Dec 23 19:46:51 oilsworkn: keyboard at least Dec 23 19:46:58 yeah, i dont remember Dec 23 19:47:00 so if the emulator does, then it's probably a kernel option at startup? Dec 23 19:47:01 it was a long time ago Dec 23 19:47:05 yep Dec 23 19:47:58 someone get one of those hp slates and put webos on it Dec 23 19:48:00 STAT! Dec 23 19:48:13 Fox News is working on it Dec 23 19:48:20 lol Dec 23 19:48:22 HA Dec 23 19:48:23 nice one Dec 23 19:48:29 slip in a newer kernel and it'll work on almost anything Dec 23 19:49:00 drivers are the main problem with these things, so i vote for letting HP/Palm do the heavy-lifting :) Dec 23 19:49:03 the new superphone, if you haven't seen the leak yet: http://s89997654.onlinehome.us/screencaps/palmSuperPhone-20101221-155341.jpg Dec 23 19:49:36 http://jalopnik.com/5716931/man-arrested-after-posting-195-mph-corvette-run-on-youtube Dec 23 19:49:45 * oilsworkn has wrote a total of 0 lines of code today at work Dec 23 19:49:59 oilsworkn: you and me both Dec 23 19:50:07 good thing its almost lunch Dec 23 19:50:16 dont know how much more of doing nothing i can take xD Dec 23 19:50:18 * gkatsev at lunch 3 hours ago, lol Dec 23 19:50:20 yeah I've answered the phone a few times...logged into zero servers though.. Dec 23 19:50:29 thankfully I'm out of here in 10 Dec 23 19:50:33 i got called by a telemarketer Dec 23 19:50:36 I tried running shindig on my laptop Dec 23 19:50:37 and hung up on then Dec 23 19:50:38 them Dec 23 19:50:44 haha Dec 23 19:50:50 dawm lol Dec 23 19:50:56 and the construction going on Dec 23 19:51:05 people keep calling my phone Dec 23 19:51:09 and im all yelling at them Dec 23 19:51:13 i have a video on youtube of me doing 138 Dec 23 19:51:15 then he stops cutting Dec 23 19:51:20 maybe i should pull it Dec 23 19:51:20 and im just yelling really loud Dec 23 19:51:50 * oilsworkn doesn't post evidence of breaking the law on the internet Dec 23 19:51:55 look what facebook has done to you! Dec 23 19:52:20 i remember when i was a kid and rule 1 of the internets was "don't reveal personal information" Dec 23 19:52:35 now look at it Dec 23 19:52:39 oilsworkn: but how will Chris Hanson find you? Dec 23 19:52:40 what happened to that rule? Dec 23 19:53:15 pssh... remember AOL/Yahoo chatrooms. When people were using it to hook up like crazy Dec 23 19:53:27 A/S/L Dec 23 19:53:29 i used aol for 'warez' Dec 23 19:53:38 haha Dec 23 19:53:45 just gotta join the server rooms Dec 23 19:54:00 you mean mass mailers? :P Dec 23 19:54:03 i wrote a few of those Dec 23 19:54:03 lol Dec 23 19:54:10 * oilsworkn wrote a lot of vb code back then Dec 23 19:54:12 lol Dec 23 19:54:14 and the webcams Dec 23 19:54:14 aol taught me VB Dec 23 19:54:23 * oilsworkn highfives dawm Dec 23 19:54:26 then i moved on to IRC Dec 23 19:54:29 with my aol buddies Dec 23 19:54:32 netcom ftw Dec 23 19:55:28 hell before aol (and before i had a computer that ran windows) i was using compuserve for dos :D Dec 23 19:55:29 ok, time for lunch Dec 23 19:56:16 lol, aol Dec 23 19:56:38 i think i still have an overhead account there, no idea what was password would be tho ;p Dec 23 20:01:53 dawm: and geocities and tripod and angelfire, oh my! Dec 23 20:02:08 not just geocities Dec 23 20:02:23 geocities with the animated flashing lights and construction signs Dec 23 20:02:32 coming soon? Dec 23 20:02:57 webscrawler and altavista.. netscape ;p Dec 23 20:03:49 dogpile, hotbot and excite! Dec 23 20:04:35 lets jump a few years for the youngsters.. winamp and napster Dec 23 20:04:52 win3.1.1 Dec 23 20:04:53 dammit Im still in my 20s Dec 23 20:05:05 I'm almost 22 Dec 23 20:05:10 ill be 30 in less than a month :( Dec 23 20:05:23 8 months for me :) Dec 23 20:06:27 * dohtem still uses winamp for shoutcast streams Dec 23 20:06:52 winamp now has an android app Dec 23 20:22:13 STUPID GOOGLE Dec 23 20:22:40 they dont list webOS as an option for this question 'what smartphone do you use most?' Dec 23 20:30:04 lucky bastard Dec 23 20:30:17 a friend of mine is getting a Google CR48.. he got in on the pilot program Dec 23 20:32:55 4 friends of mine got a cr48 Dec 23 20:38:36 13 of mine got em :P Dec 23 20:38:53 chromeos... meh Dec 23 20:39:03 ...wait, i don't have any friends. Dec 23 20:39:11 :( Dec 23 20:39:13 oil, i feel the same. Dec 23 20:39:23 oil: I thought you were lunching! Dec 23 20:39:31 im eatin right now!~ Dec 23 20:39:47 that was like 45 mins ago Dec 23 20:39:56 JEEZ DUDE Dec 23 20:40:18 took me that long to get food and drive home Dec 23 20:41:01 :) Dec 23 20:44:08 * oil didnt know he was being timed O.O Dec 23 20:44:13 greepy Dec 23 20:44:24 s/greepy/creepy/ Dec 23 20:45:24 yeah mugen-, thats not cool! Dec 23 20:45:30 * dohtem eyes floor nervously Dec 23 20:45:59 even my boss doesnt keep track of my time that closely, lol Dec 23 20:46:24 * halfhalo just makes up his timesheet at the end of the month Dec 23 20:48:16 applied for the cr-48. thanks dawm Dec 23 20:50:26 * Tibfib isn't old enough to apply... lol Dec 23 20:51:36 lol Dec 23 20:52:22 one of my boys just asked how to test if his distributor cap is still good... i told him, if he sticks his fingers into one of the firing sockets and feels a tingle when he cranks the engine, it's still good Dec 23 20:52:31 * mugen- is waiting for a nasty call... Dec 23 20:52:31 lol Dec 23 20:55:41 lol Dec 23 20:56:16 lucky if his hand doesn't put a hole in the hood Dec 23 20:58:54 he'll be fine... everyone has to get shocked by a distributor at least once in their life Dec 23 21:00:33 nah, I've seen it happen to someone, that's good enough Dec 23 21:04:05 hey, I'm dumping text into a list widget, some of which are valid html tags. How do I get them rendered? Dec 23 21:06:37 in your list row template file Dec 23 21:06:39 put a - Dec 23 21:06:51 like #{data} becomes #{-data} Dec 23 21:07:06 let me try Dec 23 21:07:19 oh, itl work! Dec 23 21:09:03 lol Dec 23 21:09:12 oh it will, huh? Dec 23 21:09:19 YEP! Dec 23 21:11:18 yay! Dec 23 21:11:27 ok, why does that work? Dec 23 21:11:55 that tells the template stuff to not escape the html Dec 23 21:12:14 thanks man Dec 23 21:12:25 there is also a "AllowHtmlInTemplates" or something you can put in appinfo Dec 23 21:12:28 to force it for all fields Dec 23 21:12:32 but i find a - where needed is easier Dec 23 21:14:01 also, can I display unicode chars? Right now I'm getting weird boxes and gibberish Dec 23 21:14:16 idk much about unicode stuff Dec 23 21:15:14 dohtem, yes you can Dec 23 21:15:29 just make sure you're saving your .js files as UTF-8 Dec 23 21:17:34 * oil goes back to work Dec 23 21:17:47 uh huh Dec 23 21:17:49 likely story Dec 23 21:17:49 no, this is about rendering unicode characters in my scene Dec 23 21:18:19 dohtem, ...yeah? Dec 23 21:19:45 ex: ᇠ ᇡ ᇢ ᇣ ᇤ ᇥ ᇦ ᇧ Dec 23 21:19:48 right? Dec 23 21:20:21 the text is from a json request Dec 23 21:20:43 s/request/response Dec 23 21:20:59 what is the text? can you paste the reponse here? Dec 23 21:22:18 one min Dec 23 21:25:17 good morning rwhitby Dec 23 21:26:14 g'day Dec 23 21:27:30 how are you today Dec 23 21:30:29 rwhitby - do you have a list of steps for performing the comboard swap? Dec 23 21:31:00 only what's in the forum thread Dec 23 21:31:16 by chance do you have a link? Dec 23 21:31:38 http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre-2/271193-pre-2-sprint-step-step-conversion-guide-new-post.html Dec 23 21:31:57 perfect thanks Dec 23 21:32:03 I'm assuming you're referring to the unfinished experimental Sprint Pre 2 steps Dec 23 21:32:26 I don't recommend following any of them yet, unless you're prepared for a degraded experience Dec 23 21:33:07 mmmm degraded Dec 23 21:34:22 I am not sure anything can be degraded more than the sprint pre already is Dec 23 21:34:45 depends whether you want to send text messages or not Dec 23 21:34:48 Aside from the profile issues, is there anything else causing problems Dec 23 21:35:09 yes, it's far from a repeatable procedure at the moment Dec 23 21:35:40 ok let me keep reading Dec 23 21:35:47 your advice would be to hold off then? Dec 23 21:36:05 I would not do it on a production device. Dec 23 21:38:36 is there hope that the issues will be worked out? Dec 23 21:38:54 some will, some won't. Dec 23 21:39:12 I don't expect the OTA issue to be worked out until Sprint releases a Pre 2 (if ever) Dec 23 21:39:36 I hope the Profile issue will sort itself out when webOS 2.0 for the Pre is released. Dec 23 21:40:00 I have no idea about the other issues that are only affecting some people, like text messaging. Dec 23 21:40:49 rwhitby if I swap this, how hard would it be to put it back in my pre 1 Dec 23 21:41:02 you just reverse the process Dec 23 21:41:11 not gonna happen? or just a simple, put the board back in, use sprint doctor Dec 23 21:41:14 but your profile is one way Dec 23 21:41:24 so use a test profile if you're going to test it Dec 23 21:41:28 yes Dec 23 21:41:35 ok Dec 23 21:42:09 to follow these instructions is a linux system required, havent read in detail. Dec 23 21:42:29 you need to be able to use MetaDoctor Dec 23 21:42:37 ok very good Dec 23 21:51:55 :/ Dec 23 21:52:22 * oilsworkn wishes people wouldnt push foursquare stuff to twitter Dec 23 21:52:34 * oilsworkn doesn't care where you are or that you're there so much you're the mayor now Dec 23 21:52:53 if I get this swap done, anything we need to test> Dec 23 21:52:54 ? Dec 23 21:57:52 otterpant eh? Dec 23 21:57:54 otterman! Dec 23 21:58:13 hey Dec 23 22:05:43 I love poorly/undocumented API stuff >:B Dec 23 22:07:12 I got one for you Dec 23 22:07:19 for me? Dec 23 22:07:20 you shouldn't have Dec 23 22:11:49 :) Dec 23 22:13:50 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPTvSpBs50Y hahaah this commercial just came on Dec 23 22:13:55 * oilsworkn was expecting js/mojo question to follow that Dec 23 22:14:17 ignore that link. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rr6qaG8RlUk full ad is better Dec 23 22:14:22 me? Dec 23 22:14:41 * oilsworkn ignores both links, no speakers at work Dec 23 22:14:45 bah! Dec 23 22:14:53 oilsworkn: I stop following anyone who pushes foursquare stuff to twitter Dec 23 22:15:04 LOL Dec 23 22:15:37 yeah, thats a good plan Dec 23 22:16:00 Drink Your Spilled Soda Off the Floor Dec 23 22:16:07 oilsworkn: if they have anything important to say they'll mention @webosinternals anyway Dec 23 22:16:28 haha Dec 23 22:17:00 this is by far the best infomercial ever. Dec 23 22:17:20 what is it, the shake weight? Dec 23 22:17:31 smart mop Dec 23 22:18:02 * Tibfib refers oilsworkn to dawm's earlier post Dec 23 22:18:27 what earlier post? Dec 23 22:18:41 Drink Your Spilled Soda Off the Floor Dec 23 22:18:48 s/earlier/last Dec 23 22:18:53 Tibfib, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQtKnDGhxmk is funnier Dec 23 22:19:21 that's not a REAL commercial though Dec 23 22:19:26 just watch Dec 23 22:19:32 when did #webos become #funnyoutubevids? Dec 23 22:19:38 :) Dec 23 22:19:46 Tibfib, started it Dec 23 22:19:55 lol Dec 23 22:20:09 it would be selfish to NOT share the video. Dec 23 22:20:11 oilsworkn: be glad it isnt nsfw... yet Dec 23 22:20:31 when it became the day of zero productivity Dec 23 22:21:08 christmas eve eve? Dec 23 22:22:01 something like that Dec 23 22:22:47 in other news, I do not like the forum search :( Dec 23 22:23:40 in general? Dec 23 22:23:43 * Tibfib wishes he could specify min webOS version 2.0. Dec 23 22:23:58 you can in preware! Dec 23 22:24:49 * Tibfib wants to sell Dec 23 22:24:55 How do you specify min version 1.4.5, but still let it run on 2.0? :B Dec 23 22:25:15 Apparently from what I've been told my Boxee Remote will just go "oops doesn't run here." Dec 23 22:25:34 hey, a wircer Dec 23 22:25:37 SineOt: oh, doesn't work in 2.0? Dec 23 22:25:46 Apparently? IDK. Dec 23 22:26:29 you would think "minimum of 1.4.5" would mean, >= 1.4.5 Dec 23 22:27:44 yes, irc from my webos :) Dec 23 22:28:08 You'd think, yeah Dec 23 22:36:14 SineOt: it works on my pre2 Dec 23 22:36:37 did you install it from the App Catalog though? Dec 23 22:36:42 no Dec 23 22:36:57 Someone said that it complains about not running on that software, go to updates to update etc Dec 23 22:37:06 So I'm basically lost now P: Dec 23 22:37:06 eg3: how you like wirc? Dec 23 22:37:37 I'm not sure I set up the app catalog on my pre2 Dec 23 22:38:32 it is the first time i use it and i think its great Dec 23 22:39:59 awesome Dec 23 22:40:34 has to be the friendliest cat to ever jump over my fence -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIvKyJzhMbQ Dec 23 22:43:12 mugen-: ughhhhhhhh Boxee doesn't support the XBMC JSON RPC Dec 23 22:43:59 sux Dec 23 22:46:02 oilsworkn: want my wirc review? :) Dec 23 22:46:17 if its just "sux", no Dec 23 22:46:21 heh Dec 23 22:46:34 sux would be a good review ;) Dec 23 22:46:54 * rwhitby lies, wIRC is awesome Dec 23 22:47:02 lol Dec 23 22:53:04 sine, i know =\ Dec 23 22:53:28 dohtem: did you have more to say, or were you really going to say it sux? Dec 23 22:54:02 haven't used it actually :) Dec 23 22:54:14 and why not? Dec 23 22:54:16 you got a pre? Dec 23 22:54:21 you hang in #webos? Dec 23 22:54:25 sounds like a perfect mix Dec 23 22:54:37 peer pressure! Dec 23 22:54:42 I'll install it tonite Dec 23 22:54:50 lol Dec 23 22:55:15 be sure to direct any problems with it to PuffTheMagic Dec 23 22:56:02 man, this really kind of sucks. I way prefer the Boxee UI > XBMC but like, reading up on it, the Boxee Box really neutered the APIs Dec 23 22:57:34 bbl Dec 23 22:57:37 o\ everyone Dec 23 22:58:11 *cue vtech sound* Dec 23 22:58:13 has anyone worked with extractfs? Dec 23 23:01:29 yeah boxee box < boxee pc Dec 23 23:03:46 Loudergood: Yeah, it really seems that way. They stripped out ExecBuiltIn() for like, security reasons I guess? Dec 23 23:03:51 are there any exhibition demo apps? Dec 23 23:05:11 But haven't implemented the JSON RPC that removes functions from the hacky open ExecBulitIn() function into real, you know, API calls... :/ Dec 23 23:05:42 dohtem: Govnah in the testing feed Dec 23 23:05:48 For 2.0 of my app I was hoping to move to TCP sockets and the JSON RPC, because skipping all the HTTP stuff and just doing direct sockets sounds like it would be a lot faster Dec 23 23:05:55 thanks rwhitby Dec 23 23:19:05 SineOt: node.js sounds reasonable for doing that if there isn't a built in api Dec 23 23:19:37 Yeah, my plan was to go that route with a NodeJS service... But if Boxee can't even do the JSON RPC, then it's kind of moot. Dec 23 23:22:11 lame Dec 23 23:27:04 hey how do we turn on a pre 2 in developer mode, ie wifi only Dec 23 23:28:27 metadoc skip activation skip first use Dec 23 23:31:18 #*devmode# in dialer Dec 23 23:32:13 Hey all! :D Dec 23 23:32:51 * oilsworkn hides! Dec 23 23:35:30 ctladvance: palm bypass tool also works Dec 23 23:35:56 ctladvance: you have to inject the roadrunner installer uimage into the zip in the proper place though Dec 23 23:36:14 err s/zip/jar/ (same difference for this purpose) Dec 23 23:39:53 dohtem: #*devmode*# can be reached before activation / first use? Dec 23 23:40:17 yes, as long as you can get to the dialpad Dec 23 23:40:27 but you can't do it if it's going "HEY HEY DING DONG, PUT IN A SIM" Dec 23 23:40:51 ^ Dec 23 23:46:13 ctladvance: mkdir -p com/palm/webos/devicetool/images/; cp /srv/doctors/unpacked/webosdoctorp102ueuna-wr-2.0.1/webOS/nova-installer-image-roadrunner.uImage com/palm/webos/devicetool/images; zip devicetool.jar com/palm/webos/devicetool/images/nova-installer-image-roadrunner.uImage Dec 23 23:46:27 is how I fixed up my devicetool to work Dec 23 23:46:31 boiling sugar is a bitch and a half :/ it doesn't just burn, it burns and sticks Dec 23 23:59:04 sure glad i dont host with ipower Dec 23 23:59:08 they have major dns issues today Dec 24 00:31:39 what the hell Dec 24 00:31:53 copyrights have prevented us from playing this video in your country.. Dec 24 00:32:17 f u mtv Dec 24 00:33:18 http://video.google.com/ Dec 24 01:05:42 Candied oranges :o Dec 24 01:06:57 that... doesnt sound all that good Dec 24 01:07:14 They're pretty good. Dec 24 01:08:00 Orange slices! The inside parts. Dec 24 01:08:09 The rinds aren't good unless you blanch them in boiling water for a while. Dec 24 01:15:11 hey Emeril, get back to coding! Dec 24 01:15:51 It's cookie time! ANd not mojo cookie time. Dec 24 01:21:54 SineOt: it's time to kick ass and chew bubble gum... and I'm all out of gun Dec 24 01:21:58 gum Dec 24 01:23:43 lame **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Dec 24 01:26:45 2010 Dec 24 01:43:54 hey Tibfib1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3bfR3RKdO0 and that is a commercial.. remix!~ Dec 24 02:29:31 lol Dec 24 02:29:46 this domain wizard just spit out 'enigmaticquestion.com' Dec 24 02:31:35 lol adherentgunk.com Dec 24 02:33:39 lol Dec 24 02:33:55 gunk sounds bad tho Dec 24 02:34:16 trying to think up a domain name for my vinyl decal side business Dec 24 02:35:56 this ted mosbey guy has some pretty hot gfs Dec 24 02:37:04 use the word stuck? Dec 24 02:37:29 enigmaticstuck Dec 24 02:37:36 heh Dec 24 02:37:39 thats to deep Dec 24 02:38:01 the only reason it spit out enigmatic is cause enigma is synonymous with sticker Dec 24 02:38:09 which i did not know Dec 24 02:38:34 thesaurus.com is weird Dec 24 02:38:50 it says 'sticker' is synonymous with 'sixty-four dollar question' Dec 24 02:38:54 ... Dec 24 02:39:03 where did they come up with $64 Dec 24 02:39:08 sounds like a typical "internet reference" Dec 24 02:39:44 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_$64,000_Question Dec 24 02:40:17 st1ck3rs.com is available.. but really lame Dec 24 02:40:22 yeah 64,000 but not 64 Dec 24 02:41:19 lol i put in red panda as a search term.. communisticpanda.com Dec 24 02:41:26 lol Dec 24 02:41:38 same but .ru is also available Dec 24 02:41:40 lol Dec 24 02:42:53 looks like there was a $64 one on the radio in 1950 Dec 24 02:49:11 heh decalbeef.com Dec 24 02:51:54 wow battery fits awesome on the pre 2 Dec 24 02:51:57 its so tight Dec 24 02:52:10 yeah it is Dec 24 02:52:52 I heard they fixed the problem with the pre plus, but then I dropped from a few inches and pow reboot Dec 24 02:53:03 so I've got a paper wedge in there Dec 24 02:54:13 I never had an issue with the pre 1 Dec 24 02:54:16 which some had Dec 24 02:54:21 phone dropped all the time Dec 24 02:54:45 I think it was probably more of a battery manufacturing issue Dec 24 02:54:54 but I could be wrong Dec 24 02:55:08 I thought it was the device itself, to much space in the battery compartment Dec 24 02:55:17 thats when they implemented foam rubber stopgap for it **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Dec 24 02:59:58 2010