**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Dec 27 02:59:57 2010 Dec 27 03:00:00 I'm not going to lie, I bought Scratch! and Poster when they were on sale.. Scratch i probably would have never bought otherwise (at $5) Dec 27 03:00:27 SineOt: https://github.com/silentrob/Apricot - this? Dec 27 03:00:34 (otoh i haven't used either yet) Dec 27 03:01:53 hmm is there an issue with webOS internals right now? Dec 27 03:02:08 dohtem: yes Dec 27 03:02:25 I was playing with hpricot and it's interesting what it can do Dec 27 03:02:30 "I'll spend $100 a month for a phone, but not $5 one time for an app that makes it work." I just don't get it. Dec 27 03:04:13 I think what it boils down to is with feature phones you paid 10$ for a shitty app, then the iPhone arrived and suddenly you could get some cool things for 99 cents Dec 27 03:04:20 and it's just sort of rutted into that Dec 27 03:04:34 does anyone do icon design here? Dec 27 03:04:58 the big game firms still seem to charge more than that (I think?) Dec 27 03:05:12 wonder if a Playstation phone and an XBox phone will drive down the prices of games on consoles Dec 27 03:05:33 hey maybe HP should get into the console biz.. a webOS console! :) Dec 27 03:05:44 yeah, but people tend to not think of games as being apps Dec 27 03:05:49 ajay - maybe they will drive them up as you get a phone version as well Dec 27 03:05:53 they just think of it as a game Dec 27 03:08:11 how does Simplenote's "3rd party app usage" - "Throttled" affect Noted? Dec 27 03:08:39 (for folks that don't pay to use it) Dec 27 03:09:10 ctladvance: hmm.. I dunno, I think that mobile gaming could kill the console... Dec 27 03:09:34 mobile gaming won't kill consoles... not for a long time Dec 27 03:10:25 I dunno, I heard Video Killed the Radio Star Dec 27 03:12:18 gah this simplenote chrome extension is already hiding my notes from me. grr Dec 27 03:14:11 Video did a whole lot that radio couldn't :p Dec 27 03:14:23 Mobile gaming is just a small version of console gaming Dec 27 03:16:20 it's gonna be a while before consoles become pocket sized due to power consumption of the GPUs Dec 27 03:16:37 I see mobile gaming only becoming an addition to the console. Dec 27 03:16:43 exactly Dec 27 03:16:58 And mobile gaming won't ever get to a point where you're carrying a 42 inch 1080P in your pocket Dec 27 03:17:01 that is until the console fits in your pocket, and have a pocketable remote/keyboard Dec 27 03:17:11 yep Dec 27 03:17:14 oo, phones as controllers with their own screens is a possibility Dec 27 03:17:53 the wii is a bluetooth master, if the next wii is a wifi hotspot that you can connect any phone/laptop/pc to, that would be awesome Dec 27 03:17:54 It is but not sure how well it will catch on. Most people would prefer an actual controller/keyboard Dec 27 03:18:22 I guess wii is simple enough a phone would work Dec 27 03:18:40 not so much xbox and ps Dec 27 03:19:01 most laptops and phones have accelerometers builtin these days, they can say any wifi-enabled device with an accell is a possible controll Dec 27 03:20:19 laptops have accels in them?! what! Dec 27 03:20:35 yeah, to protect hard drives from bumps and drops Dec 27 03:20:39 only some laptops have it Dec 27 03:20:41 ah Dec 27 03:20:47 fujitsu has had them for years Dec 27 03:20:47 mostly apple and thinkpads Dec 27 03:20:55 ok beginning franken pre part 1 tonight Dec 27 03:20:58 I guess fujitsu as well Dec 27 03:21:13 yeah, i assumed dell had picked it up, who else is a major laptop manufacturer? Dec 27 03:21:14 yeah, they've been around for a while Dec 27 03:21:20 hp Dec 27 03:21:23 lol Dec 27 03:21:27 most hps dont Dec 27 03:21:27 haha Dec 27 03:21:44 i guess hp and dell are the only big ones left Dec 27 03:21:53 toshiba Dec 27 03:21:57 and sony Dec 27 03:22:07 toshiba has it, mine does anyways Dec 27 03:22:25 I dont think they have it everywhere though Dec 27 03:22:30 really? this feature saved my hard drive like 10 times now... Dec 27 03:22:31 no they dont Dec 27 03:22:55 I dont think any HP systems have it except maybe some business and the envy, if that even has it Dec 27 03:23:02 have you seen the newton virus on macs/ Dec 27 03:23:04 ? Dec 27 03:23:19 no Dec 27 03:23:27 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBJQ5085kSo Dec 27 03:23:28 macs dont have viruses Dec 27 03:23:48 haha Dec 27 03:24:00 Newton was more an art project than a real virus Dec 27 03:24:10 yeah Dec 27 03:24:12 not a real virus Dec 27 03:24:14 actually, i've seen mac-based viruses since '06 Dec 27 03:24:33 is there supposed to be sound Dec 27 03:24:35 but they never get any traction due to the number of PC's between each Mac Dec 27 03:24:37 Yeah mac based viri is old news Dec 27 03:25:10 haha Dec 27 03:25:27 and the fact that some of the most wide spread ones just kind of need you to go "would you like to install this?" and actively agree to install it Dec 27 03:26:15 that looks more like an app than a virus. and if it doesn't promulgate itself.. Dec 27 03:26:57 this is more of a joke then anything Dec 27 03:27:22 where can i download this?! Dec 27 03:27:29 yes, it is not an actual virus, lol Dec 27 03:27:43 i know :( Dec 27 03:27:58 though i've seen the gravity thing before Dec 27 03:28:02 SineOT - Make awesome game for mac, game installs virus that remains dormant for months, millions of users download, no one has antivirus installed. Profit Dec 27 03:28:13 good answer to my q about accells in laptops tho!! :) Dec 27 03:28:33 ctladvance: that's what they did. Stuck along with a warez version of iWork Dec 27 03:29:29 nice! Dec 27 03:29:43 hahaha Dec 27 03:29:49 this is why the mac will soon force you to only install stuff from the app store Dec 27 03:29:54 aight gonna bounce Dec 27 03:30:11 its the only way they can really fix the onslaught of new vd Dec 27 03:30:23 until the code injectors are finished Dec 27 03:30:43 oh boy this again :9 Dec 27 03:30:57 ctladvance: i'll be curious to see how that goes. i think i got in an argument with folks in this channel about whether that would happen or not.. Dec 27 03:33:05 Yes this gets into the whole thing of how much a fanboy linux users are and how brain washed they have been Dec 27 03:33:09 ;) Dec 27 03:39:22 Ha! I must watch this! -- http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1352388/ Dec 27 03:45:37 lol, yes Dec 27 04:00:24 phase 1, token extraction completed Dec 27 04:00:41 phase 2 make new franken doctor Dec 27 04:06:18 2.0 on pre +? Dec 27 04:07:11 I sure hope the JSONRPC ends up in Boxee soon :C Dec 27 04:07:14 I think he's plussing his minus Dec 27 04:07:24 pre 2 on sprint Dec 27 04:07:29 Or my Boxee Remote plans go out the window! Dec 27 04:08:00 have you talked to the boxee guys? Dec 27 04:08:15 oh, pre 2 Dec 27 04:08:16 nice Dec 27 04:08:26 yeah Dec 27 04:08:36 Pre - is garbage as of anything 1.4 Dec 27 04:08:50 * Tibfib plans on doing that when it works better :) Dec 27 04:08:54 * Tibfib goes to bed Dec 27 04:08:55 night all Dec 27 04:09:23 I would rather use a banana as my main communication device than a sprint pre -, if I could add networking to it Dec 27 04:09:42 so stable or not here I come Dec 27 04:10:06 hopefully in Jan we either get a new device which I doubt or a WP7 pro Dec 27 04:12:25 when is Sprint getting wp7? Dec 27 04:12:51 supposed to be in jan from what Ive heard Dec 27 04:12:57 I suspect right when Verizon does Dec 27 04:13:12 typically how it goes Dec 27 04:25:51 are some feed down by chance? just wondering.. Dec 27 04:26:01 was wondering that as well Dec 27 04:26:15 you getting errors? Dec 27 04:26:19 hmm, seems like it.. prolly Dec 27 04:26:27 some of the time. Dec 27 04:26:31 1 sec Dec 27 04:28:48 hmp, no error this time, all feeds enabled except kernel-testing.. but it "seems*" like there are packages missong/patcghes or something, shrug. Dec 27 04:29:35 its been a long weekend, could be just tired.. heh Dec 27 04:33:03 yeah, but seems that some patches are returning a 404... Dec 27 04:33:16 which ones Dec 27 04:34:16 only can say one for right now, but i have been trying a few, atm ""Video Camera Flashlight".... i had been trying to install some others earlier, will get back to it, and i think was having same issue. Dec 27 04:34:49 with ones that usually install w/o any clash or problems.. thats why i mention it :) Dec 27 04:35:06 its in the precentral feed, right? Dec 27 04:35:12 yes Dec 27 04:35:22 yeah, p|c broke that Dec 27 04:35:25 webos patches Dec 27 04:35:36 haha... ok :) Dec 27 04:36:14 and here i was blaming oil... hrmp. ;) Dec 27 04:36:53 psh Dec 27 04:36:59 haha Dec 27 04:37:09 you know, it usually is his fault Dec 27 04:37:38 s/usually/usually not/ Dec 27 04:37:40 i know.. ;) haha Dec 27 04:37:52 don't regex me! Dec 27 04:37:56 wow making a sprint pre 2 is easier than I thought Dec 27 04:37:59 Hm. Can you nest list groups within list groups? D: Dec 27 04:40:03 HUH guess you can Dec 27 04:46:10 viSolix: PreCentral feed is broken upstream. Disable it. Dec 27 04:46:31 ok, np thanks.. Dec 27 04:47:03 hello rwhitby Dec 27 04:47:06 ctladvance: I'll be interested to know what you did if you get texts working on that device\ Dec 27 04:47:13 sure Dec 27 04:47:26 what procedure are you following? Dec 27 04:47:38 http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre-2/271193-pre-2-sprint-step-step-conversion-guide.html Dec 27 04:47:40 however Dec 27 04:47:52 I am making a few procedure changes as I go along Dec 27 04:48:00 but nothing that should impact this Dec 27 04:48:45 DO you know if the MSL is required? Dec 27 04:49:08 I really like this breakdown though Dec 27 04:49:10 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:MetaDoctor#Using_Cygwin Dec 27 04:49:34 using cygwin instead of booting into linux Dec 27 04:50:38 I know nothing about Sprint activation - no CDMA in Australia Dec 27 04:54:49 ok Dec 27 04:54:59 I think we need one clean set of instructions for this Dec 27 05:17:57 ctladvance: Sprint Pre 2 is not yet at the state where there is a repeatable set of instructions Dec 27 05:21:14 ;o Dec 27 05:53:53 ok well we shall see what happens Dec 27 05:56:12 ctladvance: yep, yours will be the fourth data point Dec 27 06:00:08 ok everyone is asleep, maybe I can continue now Dec 27 06:00:40 looks like I have built my doctor Dec 27 06:00:51 just need to make a backup of everything on my pre 1 Dec 27 06:02:11 rwhitby are you familiar with send all contacts via email Dec 27 06:05:02 no Dec 27 06:05:25 I keep nothing in the Palm Profile, since there is no way I can examine the contents of it online. Dec 27 06:05:46 Yeah I am beginning to see that now Dec 27 06:06:13 that is a bit weird to have a cloud backup but no cloud access Dec 27 06:06:37 * rwhitby bbiab Dec 27 06:06:40 or even a way to export your contacts etc Dec 27 06:07:37 i'm working on a backup service for app devs to attach to Dec 27 06:15:31 as far as contacts and things, I just send everything through live services now, however I have a bunch who I added in as palm profile Dec 27 06:16:02 so wouldnt do to much Dec 27 06:16:56 but really, the sprint pre was awesome back on 1.0.* and 1.1.* series os versions, once we moved beyond that, it started to become a piece of garbage until 1.4.5 was launched Dec 27 06:17:12 which just made it worse Dec 27 06:24:22 fahhem: I presume you know of Save/Restore ? Dec 27 06:25:31 yeah, but that's homebrew and local Dec 27 06:26:25 i'm working on a paying version that's not stuck to homebrew users and remote, so they can download anywhere, view if that makes sense, etc Dec 27 06:27:14 ok copying everything from my usb partition Dec 27 06:27:19 then surgery begins Dec 27 06:27:56 fahhem: presumably it will have strong encryption on the client before transfer Dec 27 06:28:44 so i can't guarantee security on the pre, so i'm disclaiming that for now Dec 27 06:29:44 anybody can overwrite the app with another one that just requests a full restore Dec 27 06:29:48 they have the source of the app, which is the main problem Dec 27 06:30:20 as far as i know, the only way is that the app has some secret key that nobody can retrieve Dec 27 06:30:52 which is how online apps work, you don't see the source of index.php, so index.php can have $SECRET_KEY="aoeaoeaoeaoe" without trouble Dec 27 06:31:16 fahhem: use the new key manager is 2.0 Dec 27 06:31:34 i'm not in the early access crew yet Dec 27 06:32:58 oh, you can see details of that by running ls-monitor on a production Pre 2 device Dec 27 06:33:30 I love the little tiny palm sticker on the top right screw Dec 27 06:33:39 must be for tamper evidence Dec 27 06:34:12 rwhitby: i don't have a pre 2 either, not the most funded dev in here, and no coupon either Dec 27 06:34:38 ctladvance: yep Dec 27 06:35:02 ctladvance: I trust you've ready http://bit.ly/pre-disassembly ? Dec 27 06:35:08 s/ready/read/ Dec 27 06:36:01 yes its open in one of my tabs Dec 27 06:43:47 ok sprint pre is in pieces Dec 27 06:51:44 rwhitby Dec 27 06:52:01 where under the gsm com board is the gps cables located Dec 27 06:52:51 nm I got them Dec 27 07:00:40 ctladvance: don't remove them Dec 27 07:00:43 ctladvance: swap the whole back Dec 27 07:01:35 i did but had to unhook them from the com board Dec 27 07:01:45 oh Dec 27 07:01:50 im only doing the com board Dec 27 07:02:37 swap the whole back Dec 27 07:02:43 keep the antennae with the comms board Dec 27 07:03:56 1) they are a carefully tuned pair, with exact wire lengths tuned for the related cellular frequencies. 2) if you don't the wires will be the wrong length and you won't be able to reconnect them. Dec 27 12:46:09 amn, first 27c3 day and review team still in holidays Dec 27 12:53:04 maybe someone wants to look the streams: http://27c3.fem-net.de/ Dec 27 12:54:49 *yawn* Dec 27 12:58:32 what streams? Dec 27 13:00:44 uh oh! I can see some people Dec 27 13:42:19 pc-world: palm-log -f yourapplication-id? Dec 27 13:42:24 that doesn't work, but I found that page for PDK debugging: http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2105&Itemid=429 Dec 27 13:42:25 (and in use with palm-log that works) Dec 27 13:45:46 Can I use the deactivate method to push vars to another scene? Dec 27 13:52:45 Hi, what is the difference between: "this.controller.listen(..." and "Mojo.Event.listen(..."? Dec 27 13:57:40 question solved: http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=217&start=0 Dec 27 14:01:02 Has anybody an idea how to compile/build libcurl (maybe with SSL support?) for webOS so that it can be used in a PDK app? Dec 27 14:07:14 whooo. my app idled since 23.12 for review, now in last minute i found a bug with orientation change. just requested rejection and now bugfixing Dec 27 15:01:55 afternoon Dec 27 15:47:41 Doctor is running on franken ore Dec 27 15:47:53 pre* Dec 27 15:48:05 muwahahahahaha Dec 27 15:51:24 Doctor is 40% complete Dec 27 15:51:34 its almost alive! Dec 27 16:10:53 hi all Dec 27 16:19:43 hi Dec 27 16:22:24 ok im building a second doctor Dec 27 16:34:41 Im having trouble placing a button over a textfield in Ares. Im aiming for the App Store search textfield look-and-feel - any suggestions on how to do i t? Dec 27 16:34:58 I tried setting z-index of the button to a large number, didn't help Dec 27 16:35:19 then I tried z-index -1 on the text field, that worked except now I can't select the text field Dec 27 16:44:01 guys i was wondering if its possible to find a EU palm pre thats broken but has been activated in europe Dec 27 16:44:06 anyone have one for sale Dec 27 17:04:04 no love from palm, waiting for my app to appear on the beta feed Dec 27 17:13:52 morning all Dec 27 17:14:01 i hope everyone had a good holiday break Dec 27 17:40:43 anyone know what the palm profile website is? Dec 27 17:49:46 CTLAdvance: https://ps.palmws.com/palmcsext/console/pages/LoginPage.iface ? Dec 27 17:52:48 Thanks **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Dec 27 18:49:46 2010 Dec 27 18:53:09 I've bought so many apps that I need my profile to work Dec 27 18:53:17 otherwise I'd do that too :/ Dec 27 18:53:22 I really dont care about the apps anymore Dec 27 18:53:35 just need to get my emails and make calls Dec 27 18:53:42 sprint pre 1 is garbage Dec 27 19:12:17 CTLAdvance: yeah the 9.9.9 and calls listed as dropped are both known issues, I think there's workarounds for the version issues involving using the castle tokens and/or build info file so it thinks you're on a known version. the call dropped issue I don't know if anyone has solved yet. Dec 27 19:27:15 HattCzech_work: hey Dec 27 19:29:10 Yeah Dec 27 19:29:24 and text messages seem to send but they send scrambled Dec 27 19:30:38 wow app catalog is sweet Dec 27 19:37:44 hey dohtem , what's up? Dec 27 19:38:06 HattCzech_work: got it to work :) - http://forums.precentral.net/webos-patches/269972-patch-enable-profile-creation-activation-bypassed-device-1-4-5-a-2.html#post2800116 Dec 27 19:38:57 awesome Dec 27 19:39:16 when i borrowed my friend's sim card, i was able to get mine working and linked to a dev profile Dec 27 19:39:53 yay Dec 27 19:40:01 my cached yql library works :) Dec 27 19:43:34 hello swisstomcat Dec 27 19:44:04 hey Dec 27 19:45:27 yql in webos app? Dec 27 19:45:39 yeah Dec 27 19:45:51 including caching with localStorage Dec 27 19:46:46 the yql part is covered here: http://mobile.tutsplus.com/tutorials/webos/introduction-to-webos-sdk-development-part-3/ Dec 27 19:51:08 dohtem: win for post!@ Dec 27 19:51:21 that sounds odd. Thanks for posting! Dec 27 19:51:30 * dohtem inches back slowly Dec 27 19:52:49 :P Dec 27 19:53:19 booting on a pre2 is soo much faster Dec 27 19:54:09 dont rub it in... I almost never want to turn my dev pre+ off just so I wont have to wait for it to boot next time Dec 27 19:57:14 interesting pre2 profile creation has an email verification part Dec 27 19:59:09 didn't it have that for the pre/pixi already? Dec 27 19:59:11 afaik Dec 27 20:00:46 http://www.sprint.com/landings/weboffers/images/palm_pixi_356x490.png pixi 2 ? Dec 27 20:01:02 swisstomcat: dunno, haven't created a profile since 1.0. Don't remember doing that Dec 27 20:01:18 tibfib: where did you find that? Dec 27 20:01:24 oh, I guess it does Dec 27 20:01:28 swisstomcat: twitter Dec 27 20:01:36 * Tibfib searched through email Dec 27 20:01:47 account? Dec 27 20:01:51 (twitter) Dec 27 20:02:08 http://twitter.com/#!/avnerarbel/status/19475663866040321 Dec 27 20:02:12 (password also) Dec 27 20:02:39 swisstomcat: no weird restrictions on using yql? a few of the apis on yahoo's dev portal come with non-commercial restrictions Dec 27 20:08:50 dohtem: no restrictions Dec 27 20:09:08 as far as i know Dec 27 20:09:15 except a query limit Dec 27 20:09:21 that's what caching is for Dec 27 20:09:45 hmm keep having issues with profile on pre2. Didn't like creating it, hasn't liked logging into it. Dec 27 20:10:48 not bad Dec 27 20:11:36 Tibfib: is that a front facing camera? Dec 27 20:11:52 woot! restarting pre2 got it to work.. just got stuck a couple times Dec 27 20:11:57 dohtem: dunno, looks like it Dec 27 20:12:41 destinal still here Dec 27 20:15:19 CTLAdvance: yup Dec 27 20:16:19 do you know anything about the tokens? Dec 27 20:17:19 CTLAdvance: some, yeah Dec 27 20:18:14 should any include = signs? DMSVR or DMCL Dec 27 20:19:13 CTLAdvance: yeah there are some that are base64 encoded Dec 27 20:19:59 ok Dec 27 20:20:16 the nonces for one Dec 27 20:20:34 typically ending in == Dec 27 20:21:05 hmm Dec 27 20:24:17 I cant seem to get putty to connect to my pre 2 Dec 27 20:25:35 CTLAdvance: did you install an ssh server (either through preware or palm's pdk device install script?) Dec 27 20:26:21 hi all, i have a question... when doing game programming for webos using pdk is using SDL a good option for build the user interface? i've heard it's quite a task building UI's with SDL. Dec 27 20:28:43 Guest82233: it depends on what you're doing. games can be written in mojo as well or be hybrids of mojo + native code (even a mix of mojo + opengl-es). are you a c/c++ developer or more of a web/javascript developer, and what kind of game? Dec 27 20:29:44 Guest82233: you could make a hybrid application and use mojo for the UI and SDL for the graaphics / display part of it as well I suppose with the new hybrid stuff Dec 27 20:30:14 has palm said if hybrid apps will be submit-able in 2.0? Dec 27 20:30:18 like use menus in mojo but do 2d/3d rendering in native code alongside it Dec 27 20:30:50 Tibfib: yes, there'd be no point of hybrid apps otherwise I think Dec 27 20:30:56 the game is pretty simple actually not much intensive graphics, i haven't coded it yet but the idea is to build it in C/C++ and it should be cross platform & something on lines of http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activities/Implode Dec 27 20:31:17 destinal: I guess what I meant, is WHEN will people be able to? Dec 27 20:31:34 Wait, isn't the issue with pixi's? Dec 27 20:31:35 Tibfib: I think it's "in the coming months" ;) Dec 27 20:31:45 destinal: sigh Dec 27 20:32:16 in the coming months = booo Dec 27 20:34:50 I wonder what kind of phone most hp/palm emplyees have Dec 27 20:39:04 i bet it's a razr Dec 27 20:41:54 kin two Dec 27 20:42:38 * Tibfib hopes the next phone is NOT a horizontal slider Dec 27 20:43:55 Tibfib: we'll probably see a large screen touchscreen-only device at some point, though I'd love something with pixi's form factor but with an omap4 in it if such a thing is possible :) Dec 27 20:44:17 I'd be okay with that :) Dec 27 20:54:04 if they want to become the comeback kid which they seem to want, they will need to launch hardware on a level similar to how android is pushing it. Dec 27 20:54:09 and now even WP7 Dec 27 20:54:53 so big touch screen is sure to come :) Dec 27 20:54:58 I hope its 4" Dec 27 20:55:08 I have no doubt that HP is capable of that, it's just a short time to spin up something like that Dec 27 20:55:48 I believe Palm is capable of it, so long as they dont let anyone involved with the ipaq near it Dec 27 20:56:19 otherwise they will be know as the ipaqers, ipaq it in, etc etc Dec 27 20:56:20 I'm sure fiorina jettisoned those people a long time ago Dec 27 20:56:29 I hope so Dec 27 20:56:31 good god Dec 27 20:56:55 not just jettisoned, destroyed. Dec 27 20:57:06 plus palm theoretically has a massive pool of yet unused tech Dec 27 20:57:14 "" Dec 27 20:57:15 yes Dec 27 20:57:20 like the pre 2 Dec 27 20:57:25 yeah if you look at reports of her "leadership" Dec 27 20:57:52 I am not in doubt of her, just dont want to see an ipaq fiasco Dec 27 20:57:53 I was thinking more of cool stuff like graffiti Dec 27 20:58:18 graffiti would be cool if it was implemented om a 4.5" touch screen Dec 27 21:00:20 destinal - yeah needed to run the install script its working now Dec 27 21:01:50 CTLAdvance: cool Dec 27 21:10:05 hmm has rwhitby awoken from his sleep Dec 27 21:18:10 slumber* :) Dec 27 21:34:56 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KKNnjFpGto - whoa.. water shot at 10000 fps Dec 27 21:37:01 dohtem: holy cow, that was sweet Dec 27 21:37:58 very cool Dec 27 21:49:50 all, where the hell is sms delivery notifications in webos 2.0? is it not in there yet? Dec 27 21:51:03 never used it Dec 27 21:51:18 I think thats something the carrier does Dec 27 21:51:33 cant seem to find it. Cant believe that it can be such a basic missing feature Dec 27 21:52:01 yer it prolly is, but in most phones ive used forever they have had the ability to turn them on or off Dec 27 21:55:49 webos 201 is the latest? I'm on a pay-as-you-go so I think I don't get carrier os updates Dec 27 22:03:04 2.0.1 on the Pre 2, yes Dec 27 22:03:55 is SFR still the only supported carrier ? Dec 27 22:04:39 no Dec 27 22:04:47 most Pre 2 are unlocked Dec 27 22:04:51 except the SFR one Dec 27 22:05:16 one could say that most carriers in the world support the Pre 2 Dec 27 22:05:31 there's really only a couple in the US that don't Dec 27 22:05:34 paid apps is another matter :/ Dec 27 22:05:42 yeah, some small US carriers Dec 27 22:05:57 small and unimportant :) Dec 27 22:06:08 I mean, carriers that have released a branded device Dec 27 22:06:23 SFR has the only "branded" Pre 2 afaik Dec 27 22:06:29 not sure about bell canada Dec 27 22:06:40 unlocked, unbranded is much better Dec 27 22:07:00 true but isnt doctoring the only way to upgrade those? Dec 27 22:07:03 CTLAdvance: how is your Sprint Pre2 ? version 9.9.9, dropped calls on ending and no texts ? Dec 27 22:07:11 or will they do OTA updates? Dec 27 22:07:21 the unlocked ones will receive OTA updates Dec 27 22:07:29 i don't think SFR is on 2.0.1 already Dec 27 22:07:39 unlocked FTW Dec 27 22:08:49 unlocked Pre 2 receives OTA updates directly from Palm, without the delays of going through the carriers. Dec 27 22:09:09 as evidenced by SFR right now, and AT&T in the past Dec 27 22:09:17 ah, not bad Dec 27 22:09:19 rwhitby that's cool. I wonder if os2 pre-'s will.... Dec 27 22:09:58 Rick_work: I doubt - if a device is sold under a contract to a carrier, then it's the carrier's call on updates Dec 27 22:12:51 night everyone Dec 27 22:14:28 hello rwhitby Dec 27 22:14:35 was just out shoveling snow Dec 27 22:16:01 The pre 2 is doing well for the moment, jumbled text messages, I have the ability to drop my calls at will. Dec 27 22:16:26 I dont think something took as it doesnt show sprint as my carrier in the phone app or on the top left menu anywhere Dec 27 22:16:31 only in device settings Dec 27 22:16:32 CTLAdvance: and version 9.9.9 on palm.com/palmprofile ? Dec 27 22:16:37 let me go look Dec 27 22:17:01 it wouldnt let me use my old one Dec 27 22:17:08 so had to start a new one Dec 27 22:17:42 yes its 9.9.9 Dec 27 22:17:50 CTLAdvance: what's your DMMODEL set to ? and did you copy *all* tokens over, or just a subset ? Dec 27 22:18:06 P100EWW Dec 27 22:23:23 oh and i copied everything they said Dec 27 22:24:13 16 tokens all together Dec 27 22:31:15 rwhitby - what is the MfgCode and does it need to be filled? Dec 27 22:31:54 CTLAdvance: it's a way to tell different boards apart when they forget to change the id on the board itself Dec 27 22:35:52 everything matches Dec 27 22:37:04 ok, so you're at the same place that we're at Dec 27 22:37:36 the 9.9.9 I suspect is cause the app catalog does not recognise a sprint webOS 2.0 device Dec 27 22:37:53 is there a way to disable cell data so my pay as you go doesn't get depleted by email checking etc? Dec 27 22:38:05 ie use wifi or nothing Dec 27 22:38:49 so, the real question is, how we tell the app catalog that this sprint 2.0 device is a sprint 1.4.5 device. :-) Dec 27 22:39:34