**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Dec 28 02:59:56 2010 Dec 28 03:09:39 :/ nope Dec 28 03:11:30 mDavs: trying the default, ensuring permissions are good.. that's about all i got. Dec 28 03:11:55 unless you want me to test it then i can tell you if i can get it. Dec 28 03:12:31 http://bladdo.net/helloworld.zip Dec 28 03:12:34 Thats it Dec 28 03:12:49 I'm clueless, complete copy of wiki Dec 28 03:19:57 mDavs: huh yeah i can't get it either Dec 28 03:20:07 well I didn't do a luna restart yet Dec 28 03:20:28 Atleast its not my device, but what is wrong with that app... i literally copied and pasted the wiki Dec 28 03:22:19 mDavs: heh. when I first started i think i used the palm directions Dec 28 03:24:08 Haha yeah, No plans on submitting anything I make to Palm, so I figured I start here Dec 28 03:28:54 i'd either try the palm instructions and/or bug the webos-internals folks Dec 28 03:33:13 Yeah trying the palm instructions now Dec 28 03:35:34 hmm.. it's weird because i'm sure i've gotten this to work for me before. eh Dec 28 03:35:50 ( i mean, a similar process, not the same thing.) Dec 28 03:40:52 :/ Dec 28 03:44:35 Ah w/e i used the palm-generate command and it works just fine now, im just gonna build off that Dec 28 03:44:43 I think somethings wrong with the tutorial on the wiki Dec 28 03:45:01 that tutorial is way old Dec 28 03:45:22 its talk page is good for laughs Dec 28 03:45:24 "This needs to be rewritten soon --Templarian 20:44, 20 July 2009 (UTC)" Dec 28 03:45:38 Lol, well no wonder it didnt work Dec 28 03:45:40 if it needed to be rewritten in july 09, it certainly needs it now xD Dec 28 03:47:20 in theory it seems like it should work. Maybe Palm added required files in newer releases after that. Dec 28 03:48:41 age shouldn't affect worki-ness, but it does look like he did what he was supposed to Dec 28 03:49:45 Yeah, guess progressive enhancment wasn't quite followed Dec 28 03:50:50 well, im pretty sure that was from before the SDK was released Dec 28 03:50:56 copying files manually, lols Dec 28 03:51:01 really? haha.. Dec 28 03:51:09 now just palm-package palm-install bam Dec 28 03:51:12 oh yeah jul09 not 10, what was i thinking.. :) Dec 28 03:51:44 110 MB? not bad firefox (you pig!) still, what's using the rest of my swap.. Dec 28 03:53:14 . Dec 28 03:54:56 woah, kb randomly stopped working on my pre mid-textmessage Dec 28 03:55:09 but a reboot fixed er up :/ Dec 28 03:57:17 I'll leave a comment stating that it really needs to be rewritten.. ;^) how do you signoff.. oh yeah FOUR tildes, what was i thinking.. Dec 28 03:57:39 * oil uses "signoff" button in editor xD Dec 28 03:58:00 oh! haha Dec 28 04:04:17 mDavs: glad that worked for you then! maybe if you're inspired you can fix the wiki page.. :) Dec 28 04:04:46 Haha possibly once I get a better grip on what I'm doing ;) Thanks for your help Dec 28 04:09:36 np! Dec 28 04:10:07 I feel bad it took so long.. we were both working with the (seemingly bad) assumption that the directions were good! d'oh.. Dec 28 04:19:25 ajay: Done? Dec 28 04:33:43 haeffb: Oh hey! :) I realized that neither your app nor Toodler supported OpenID logins Dec 28 04:34:07 so in trying to figure out how to delete my account (so I could start over) i found out there was an option to give myself a password, so i did that, now i can login. Dec 28 04:34:39 anyone have Shopping List Beta installed by chance? **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Dec 28 04:44:34 2010 Dec 28 04:48:15 haeffb: so i'm good now, but would it be very difficult to add openID login support? Dec 28 05:16:14 ok about time to go.. Dec 28 07:31:38 hmm, is anyone still around who wanted to get the Palm webOS PDK going on Linux? I think I have something that may work at http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/PDK_on_Linux but need some testers who have any idea what the PDK should normally look like :) Dec 28 08:05:32 guys sorry to ask again but anyone know where to buy US activated EU comm boards from or a broken US activated EU pre- Dec 28 08:10:53 sharkie: interesting. I'm guessing US activated EU comm boards are fairly rare ATM Dec 28 08:11:31 well i would assume that thats because nobody would sell it Dec 28 08:11:46 its not an easy thing to come by Dec 28 08:12:09 sharkie: a service opportunity, forsooth Dec 28 08:12:13 night all Dec 28 08:13:51 sharkie thats hard to get Dec 28 08:14:03 Is it because you want usa app cat? Dec 28 08:14:09 yep Dec 28 08:14:11 only because of that Dec 28 08:14:28 i would like that too :P Dec 28 08:14:43 But there is not so much difference now between the countryies Dec 28 08:14:52 What country do you have access to ? Dec 28 08:15:34 i have US app catalog Dec 28 08:15:59 So what is the problem? Dec 28 08:50:31 hi guys does anyone know where i could possibly find an US activated EU palm pre- Dec 28 08:51:03 sharkie you asked that 46mins ago Dec 28 08:51:12 oh did i Dec 28 08:51:17 thoguht i asked that in webos-internals Dec 28 08:51:25 coz i actually foudn this server on the webos internals website Dec 28 08:51:29 were you the one htat was asking what network i was on Dec 28 08:51:38 yes Dec 28 08:51:47 ah k Dec 28 08:51:48 And what you needed it for`? Dec 28 08:51:55 ok well i live in australia Dec 28 08:51:59 bought a US palm pre 2 Dec 28 08:52:16 Ok Dec 28 08:52:21 USA GSM ? Dec 28 08:52:24 yep Dec 28 08:52:47 gl Dec 28 08:52:50 so i can get 850/1900 UMTS bands Dec 28 08:53:01 i need 2100 Dec 28 08:53:57 Yes i have a US Pre 2 with EU Comm board Dec 28 08:54:10 really? Dec 28 08:54:15 mm Dec 28 08:54:20 hhaha Dec 28 08:55:12 someone must have bought a palm pre- in EU and got it activated in the US Dec 28 08:55:22 and now dont want their pre- for some reason or another Dec 28 08:57:09 hotdp: u reckon i got slim chance? Dec 28 08:57:53 mayeb like 0.0001% chance Dec 28 08:58:06 So yes Dec 28 08:58:10 And GL Dec 28 08:58:36 It would be 1000 times easy to get a EU activated PRe Dec 28 08:58:40 from germany ect Dec 28 08:58:44 i have one Dec 28 08:58:51 thats broken Dec 28 08:58:54 So why not use that comm board? Dec 28 08:59:06 would prefer to have the US app cat Dec 28 08:59:08 is the comm board brooken? Dec 28 08:59:13 nope Dec 28 08:59:13 Because? Dec 28 08:59:37 so i can get some apps that are actually half decent Dec 28 09:00:12 What app do you miss that is in the US cat that is not in the German? Dec 28 09:00:50 few games.. work out tracker Dec 28 09:01:00 havent had a big look becausae u cant buy them Dec 28 09:01:21 auction mate full version Dec 28 09:04:59 complain to the dev that he shll release worldwide Dec 28 09:08:10 sharkie: seriously mate, you're more likely to win the lotto than to find someone selling a EU comms board activated in the US. Dec 28 09:13:57 fair enoug Dec 28 09:14:02 rwhitby: then my "0.0001% chance" was to optemistic ;) Dec 28 09:15:19 ok well thought id give it a shot Dec 28 12:26:22 afternoon Dec 28 13:48:31 . Dec 28 13:48:38 .. Dec 28 13:48:48 .. . Dec 28 13:48:52 :P Dec 28 13:49:00 ... .. . Dec 28 13:49:27 what is this? brail? ;) Dec 28 13:49:42 or morse Dec 28 13:51:26 best be morse, cause brail would be most dificult to use on this touchscreen, ;) Dec 28 13:57:54 it'd really be a touch screen then Dec 28 13:59:10 haptic feedback app for 'blind dialing' I've seen.. hehe.. yeah, that'd be one heck of a TS louder.. :) Dec 28 14:03:17 guys is the iphone gps chip a bit better than the pre 2's Dec 28 14:03:41 i get this weird latitude/longitude error Dec 28 14:03:47 in fb places Dec 28 14:07:34 which error? Dec 28 14:08:20 Wanna start development using PDK. Where to start? Dec 28 14:08:29 maybe a tutorial? Dec 28 14:09:28 sdl or/and opengl? Dec 28 14:09:37 opengl Dec 28 14:10:02 http://webos101.com/PDK Dec 28 14:12:59 Do i need to use opengl es only or glut es also works? Dec 28 14:13:08 dunno Dec 28 14:13:49 Ok. Thanks anyways. Dec 28 14:45:17 morning all Dec 28 16:13:52 HattCzech_work: morning Dec 28 16:15:21 my Utility Function for YQL Caching with LocalStorage is now on Github: https://github.com/ghtomcat/yqlcache **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Dec 28 17:22:34 2010 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Dec 28 17:22:49 2010 Dec 28 17:49:28 any victims willing to try out Palm PDK on Linux? (howto get, install, and linux-patch the OSX SDK) http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/PDK_on_Linux Dec 28 17:52:42 anyone care to share their magic linux command or script for transcoding videos for the pre? Dec 28 18:04:54 I wonder why I still have access to that strange app catalog Dec 28 18:13:53 no love from palm , my beta app is still stuck in review. Dec 28 18:14:56 palm is on holiday this week Dec 28 18:17:13 Anyone know a good 2.1 speaker setup? Dec 28 18:27:20 ah , thanks haeffb_pre Dec 28 19:44:23 i thought beta apps are not reviewed? Dec 28 19:45:35 they aren't Dec 28 19:45:54 but they're stuck in the review queue Dec 28 19:46:00 which is odd Dec 28 19:46:10 (07:11:14 PM) InfiniteLoop: no love from palm , my beta app is still stuck in review. Dec 28 19:46:11 mine too Dec 28 19:46:29 this IS palm were talking about tho Dec 28 19:51:50 * halfhalo Is watching his car being washed and playing with a laser pointer Dec 28 19:53:14 she is a very sexy car when she has not been playing in the mud Dec 28 19:54:07 I've wanted to wash my car for two weeks ;_; Dec 28 19:54:33 I got lazy and took mine Dec 28 19:54:33 there's no point to it though...the roads are all sand, salt, and snow Dec 28 19:54:40 wash? car? surely you jest! Dec 28 19:54:53 I need to run by pepboys for a new drying towel though Dec 28 19:54:59 mine got ruined Dec 28 19:55:06 well, when the taillights become invisible you need to take some drastic action Dec 28 19:55:20 * halfhalo is stickin his car in he garage till the 4th Dec 28 19:56:16 I like hav8ing a clean car when I travel dammit Dec 28 19:56:34 of course my parking lot/driveway is almost pure white anyway Dec 28 19:56:40 heh Dec 28 19:56:47 Loudergood: East coast? Dec 28 19:56:55 its supposed to rain sometiime this week Dec 28 19:57:12 besides thba Dec 28 19:57:12 dohtem: yeah, but we had plenty of snow before this Dec 28 19:57:27 * Loudergood is in Northern Vermont Dec 28 19:57:31 that, all I worry about is dust/wind Dec 28 19:57:50 * halfhalo is right above la Dec 28 19:58:25 socal ftw Dec 28 19:58:26 and smog Dec 28 19:58:28 haha Dec 28 19:58:41 enjoy your blackend lungs :) Dec 28 19:58:43 * halfhalo is angling to take the infiniti to vegas Dec 28 19:58:59 I live outside la, not in it :p Dec 28 19:59:30 My Utility Function to cache YQL Requests in LocalStorage (for #webOS) is now on GitHub: https://github.com/ghtomcat/yqlcache Dec 28 19:59:41 nice Dec 28 19:59:56 * halfhalo wants runningboards for his car Dec 28 20:00:09 and a front grill thinger Dec 28 20:00:19 and it to be lowered an inch or so Dec 28 20:01:15 it already has menacing lights right now Dec 28 20:02:26 * halfhalo is wanting his car to be done so he can fly down to taco bell then fly back up a sidestreet to his house Dec 28 20:03:07 and when I say fly, I mean it Dec 28 20:03:37 it seems like you eat an amazing amount of taco bell Dec 28 20:03:51 * halfhalo is a crazy driver Dec 28 20:04:12 not really... but I'm down next to it so wha the hell Dec 28 20:06:36 * halfhalo plans on hopping the curb to get out of this place Dec 28 20:07:34 anyone working on anything awesome? Dec 28 20:07:43 yeah Dec 28 20:07:45 see above :) Dec 28 20:07:48 heh Dec 28 20:07:55 ok, I'll watch it on github Dec 28 20:08:05 * halfhalo is working on his escape plan Dec 28 20:10:13 if anyone's interested in running PDK on Linux, I'm working on a process to set it up here: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/PDK_on_Linux Dec 28 20:11:13 nice Dec 28 20:25:52 haha - http://media.precentral.net/resources/images/000/056/252/original/12-23-10_HP_Palm_Casting_Ad.png Dec 28 20:28:47 hmm Dec 28 20:28:48 hipsters Dec 28 20:29:06 what's the +20% ? Dec 28 20:29:55 dunno Dec 28 20:30:16 Link for context - http://www.precentral.net/casting-call-young-fun-people-good-hands-palm-commercials Dec 28 20:31:11 lol Dec 28 20:31:19 hip! sofisticated! Dec 28 20:31:31 starbucks! Dec 28 20:32:07 aren't the hipsters buying iphones instead? Dec 28 20:32:17 dohtem: wow, precentral's getting desperate for content, aren't they? Dec 28 20:32:35 yep Dec 28 20:32:40 CES needs to come Dec 28 20:33:02 nothing new at CES Dec 28 20:33:08 destinal: arent we all? :) Dec 28 20:33:14 it might be a good time to announce my app, better chance to get an article Dec 28 20:35:44 nothing like the smell of burning brakes in the morning... Dec 28 20:38:02 $1000 is not bad for milling around, showing off your hands Dec 28 20:50:48 hey roy-pre101 Dec 28 20:51:13 Hey! Dec 28 20:51:20 How's everyone? Dec 28 20:51:29 good Dec 28 20:51:30 what Dec 28 20:51:34 s up with Roy? Dec 28 20:57:27 Good afternoon Dec 28 21:01:45 anyone familiar with add extra carriers flag in meta doctor Dec 28 21:02:27 trying to build a sprint and verizon device? Dec 28 21:12:58 Louder|laptop: sprint pre2 I think Dec 28 21:13:06 CTLAdvance: dunno sorry Dec 28 21:23:21 louder - I already have a functioning sprint pre 2 Dec 28 21:23:44 trying to see fix a couple of small items Dec 28 21:23:49 CTLAdvance: the frankenpre was a success? Dec 28 21:24:01 yes, less a few minor things Dec 28 21:24:38 sms is garbled, and I gained the ability to drop my calls at will. Dec 28 21:25:27 everything else has been working fine Dec 28 21:28:10 good to hear, as soon as you figure those things out I'm taking the plunge with a verizon device Dec 28 21:29:23 I think vzw should be releasing their own pre 2, no? Dec 28 21:30:09 "should be" Dec 28 21:30:20 :) Dec 28 21:30:33 excuse me..."in the coming months" Dec 28 21:37:59 for being a minor spec bump, the pre 2 functions rather well Dec 28 21:38:14 however, they really need to launch something like the dell venue pro Dec 28 21:38:37 well, maybe not need but I would like them to, :) Dec 28 21:40:47 we'll see Dec 28 21:40:51 "in the coming months" Dec 28 21:42:47 can I attach a listener to anything? as long as I have the id? Dec 28 21:45:40 whoa .... Groupon Prepares To Raise As Much As $950 Million of VC Dec 28 21:45:54 damn Dec 28 21:46:08 they turned down $5 billion from Google Dec 28 21:47:19 crazy stuff Dec 28 21:47:26 where does all that money come from? Dec 28 21:47:40 for GROUPON!?!?!?!?! Dec 28 21:47:45 yeah Dec 28 21:47:51 HOW is groupon a viable business model? Dec 28 21:47:55 jeeeez Dec 28 21:48:00 it's the new dot com bubble Dec 28 21:48:11 I hope not Dec 28 21:48:13 there's a lot of idle money right now Dec 28 21:48:18 even twitter has a who-knows-how-high market value Dec 28 21:48:27 without a business model Dec 28 21:48:28 ok time to brick my pre 2 :( Dec 28 21:48:32 I think most of it is getting put into oil, but who knows Dec 28 21:49:11 RICK_work, how is google really a viable business model Dec 28 21:50:29 CTLAdvance: advertisements Dec 28 21:50:42 big coupon is huge business, especially if you can sell product via targeted coupons Dec 28 21:50:46 also see "how is radio a viable business model" Dec 28 21:50:59 but coupons is the same thing Dec 28 21:51:04 *nods* Dec 28 21:51:07 just a different delivery system Dec 28 21:51:38 I was reading about why it so valuable earlier this week. I guess that relationship between you a business you have never bought from is so valuable Dec 28 21:56:34 ok im about to have a paper weight in 30 seconds Dec 28 21:56:58 I dont like the feeling of this Dec 28 21:58:12 Custom Doctor is 16% and taking longer than the normal one Dec 28 21:58:14 :/ Dec 28 22:02:12 ok phone reset, here we go! Dec 28 22:02:42 oh, bugs :( I can't find how to fix it Dec 28 22:03:21 use bug spray Dec 28 22:04:10 I don't have any :P Dec 28 22:05:42 cmon profile Dec 28 22:06:52 * dohtem crosses finger for CTLAdvance Dec 28 22:06:58 fingers Dec 28 22:06:58 ugh, do I really have to make a third profile Dec 28 22:10:07 yay profiles! Dec 28 22:10:23 takes 2 seconds Dec 28 22:12:06 doesn't like your other pre2 profile? odd Dec 28 22:12:42 except when its not connecting to the network Dec 28 22:12:44 :/ Dec 28 22:12:50 back to the db Dec 28 22:19:07 oh that's interesting Dec 28 22:19:17 CTLAdvance: can I wipe my profile and create a new one? Dec 28 22:20:45 it havent been able to load my profiles on 2 yet, only make new ones Dec 28 22:20:56 patching another doctor now Dec 28 22:22:40 I wonder if that would fix my App Catalog problem though Dec 28 22:24:05 are you on a pre 2? Dec 28 22:26:55 no Dec 28 22:27:25 and apparently I also found someone else with the same issue in the Palm forums but there is no fix in the thread Dec 28 22:36:37 this is interesting Dec 28 22:37:08 famous last words CTLAdvance Dec 28 22:37:42 "This application cannot run on your current operating system. Use the Updates app to install the system update and try again." Dec 28 22:38:04 and that's when I use Preware to find a free app that is not even listed in my App Catalog Dec 28 22:38:20 but is in the App Catalog feed Dec 28 22:38:39 pre 2? Dec 28 22:38:52 webos 1.4.5? Dec 28 22:40:50 ok doctoring again Dec 28 22:41:23 swisstomcat: AT&T Palm Pre Plus working on TELUS in Canada. webOS 1.4.5. Dec 28 22:41:25 anyone know if the meta doctor may perform differently using cygwin vs an actual linux app Dec 28 22:41:30 oy Dec 28 22:41:38 vs using ubuntu Dec 28 22:42:38 I had to doctor it to bypass activation because I couldn't get it to work on the cell phone network at first. I created my Palm profile on WiFi then I had to modify a DB to get 3G service to work and now it does. Dec 28 22:44:47 I haven't try to download the ipk file and try to install them manually, I should try this I guess Dec 28 22:51:42 goodn8 everyone Dec 28 23:02:57 ok next doctor is running Dec 28 23:04:06 angry birds lite is taking forever to start Dec 28 23:10:09 alright, after a restart it works Dec 28 23:10:39 http://chartporn.org/2010/12/27/people-who-touch-your-junk-venn/ Dec 28 23:10:47 it's work safe Dec 28 23:12:47 heh funny Dec 28 23:16:42 If I have a list with more than one item, any id in my list item is not unique. Is there a way to generate unique ids? Dec 28 23:27:48 why are they not unique? Dec 28 23:28:34 are you creating an id in your list model's items array? Or you're talking about the div id? Dec 28 23:28:48 wht not set a name attribute then use get elements by name to give you the array Dec 28 23:29:25 haeffb: yup, the id is in the items array Dec 28 23:32:21 * haeffb not sure what you're looking for... Dec 28 23:34:52 I might be a bit confused too. :( Dec 28 23:35:10 back to the drawing board Dec 28 23:42:37 http://vimeo.com/18213768 Dec 28 23:54:35 damn, movie skyline sucked Dec 28 23:54:58 did catch a Pre in there...she scrolled down with the "magic trackball" :) Dec 28 23:55:26 hey I thought it was a trackball at first too! Dec 28 23:56:50 :) Dec 28 23:59:22 b0bben_: trackball? Dec 29 00:00:14 destinal: yeah, she scrolls a list using the thingy, what's it called, on original pres Dec 29 00:00:25 it looked like a custom-made interface Dec 29 00:00:49 the button? P: Dec 29 00:01:03 lol yeah that's a button Dec 29 00:01:21 it doesn't rotate like a trackball or scroll things Dec 29 00:01:49 exactly....but she scrolls with it Dec 29 00:02:24 that's why i mentioned it...f*cked up :P Dec 29 00:03:03 hehe Dec 29 00:04:35 oh Mac Minis how hard you are to get open Dec 29 00:06:08 SineOt: not hard at all! Dec 29 00:06:23 all you need is a spatula Dec 29 00:06:36 yeahhhh but I get so worried about scratching the casing :C Dec 29 00:07:21 SineOt: get yourself a nice and tiny spatula or spreader used when painting. they're really sharp and thus you'll get it in there without scratching the case Dec 29 00:09:40 is Spaz for Twitter any good? Dec 29 00:10:49 b0bben_: oh, I've opened this before. I'm just WAY protective of my gadgets XD Dec 29 00:11:22 SineOt: you should be, specially about such beatiful engineering as a mac mini :) Dec 29 00:11:42 I keep my Pixi in a Built hard case XD Dec 29 00:11:49 opened up a first gen macbook air...almost shed a tear Dec 29 00:12:23 yeah when I first opened this I was amazed... They've managed to fit so much in with so little space Dec 29 00:12:52 SineOt: i draw a line there, no casing on my phones, not my iphone and pre....i have a saying: putting a case on iphone/pre is like marrying Heide Klum and making her wear a burqa Dec 29 00:13:08 It's why I'm WAY excited about this rumored Broadway device: Possibly Pixi sized screen, with a slider, and a sealed battery? Talk about fancy engineering Dec 29 00:13:24 then again, ppl look at me like i'm a weirdo ;) Dec 29 00:13:31 b0bben_: lol, well-it also holds my chapstick and a screen cleaner Dec 29 00:13:42 it's mostly so I can't scratch the screen putting it in and out of my pocket Dec 29 00:13:42 hehe Dec 29 00:13:58 which I did on my KRZR K1m all the time :C Dec 29 00:14:00 SineOt: where'd you read about this new magical device? Dec 29 00:14:54 b0bben_: dawm picked it up in the logs for Swap N Drop in October, SFR Pre 2 doctor had mentions of it in code Dec 29 00:15:05 oki Dec 29 00:15:25 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/469264/174421278.png Dec 29 00:16:27 touchableRows: 7, so it's Pixi sized, keyboardSlider: true, so it's got a slider keyboard, swappableBattery: false, so it's built in and not removable Dec 29 00:17:29 SineOt: ahhh, now i see Dec 29 00:17:29 thx Dec 29 00:17:33 sounds awesome Dec 29 00:17:48 but i still need a 3.5" webos phone Dec 29 00:17:51 yeah it does Dec 29 00:18:02 to me, 3.5" is the golden ratio of screen sizes Dec 29 00:18:13 pre is too small, and those huge-ass 4" are just too big Dec 29 00:18:17 there's been rumors on like Engadget and stuff about a new "teen centric Pre like device without a keyboard" Dec 29 00:18:29 but I think it's actually the Broadway, just no one has seen it with the slider open Dec 29 00:20:18 Does anyone here ever played Donkey Kong Country Returns on Wii? Dec 29 00:25:50 yup Dec 29 00:26:20 SineOt: I for one would like to see the (Device) device Dec 29 00:27:09 Can we collect something and then quit the level and keep it just like other DKC versions? Dec 29 00:29:13 hmm, also SineOt's screenshot shows IP's from palmOne IP space in Ireland Dec 29 00:30:06 but I suspect all the detail he's poring over is a lie Dec 29 00:30:25 resolution, touchablerows, keyboardslider, etc, I doubt they mess with on internal dev builds Dec 29 00:33:51 gn ppl Dec 29 00:47:46 I'd like 3.7 inch but Dec 29 00:48:02 retina ain't 3.7 inch Dec 29 00:48:31 and I'd rather not have the droid aspect ratio that makes for a crappy vertical soft qwerty Dec 29 00:50:00 * oil wants no softkb Dec 29 00:52:36 * torchie wants a rugged slate with no moving parts and multi-language key layouts Dec 29 00:56:05 * oil doesnt see how the information in that screenshot is useful Dec 29 00:58:04 oil: the only thing it confirms is that Palm has Broadways. which, yeah, is kind of "duh" :) Dec 29 00:58:18 obvious Dec 29 00:58:36 its all device information, doesn't seem to be anything about actual app usage Dec 29 00:58:53 unless you're just after launch count Dec 29 00:58:58 or how many users there are Dec 29 00:59:28 oil: yeah I'm not sure exactly why that app sends that info and it makes me suspicious of what else it sends Dec 29 00:59:36 :/ Dec 29 01:02:05 i dont see how device info is useful at all Dec 29 01:02:19 i would want data like, number of times they visit scenes Dec 29 01:02:44 to know which are useful Dec 29 01:02:58 oil: device info is useful if you want to learn about what special device prototypes are using your app :) Dec 29 01:03:07 right, thats its only use Dec 29 01:03:40 oh and who is using what beta / dev build as well Dec 29 01:03:44 in the future, apps may not be fullscreen, so it may be useful to know at what screen size your app is being used Dec 29 01:04:07 fahhem: agreed, if that were being done or possible to gather with any API now Dec 29 01:04:14 not fullscreen? Dec 29 01:04:30 you can get the screen size though Dec 29 01:04:45 fahhem: this is just reporting on device resolution characteristics Dec 29 01:04:50 since there's a resize notification when notifications take up the bottom bit of the screen Dec 29 01:04:51 this particular example Dec 29 01:05:19 I doubt these devices are even 320x400 Dec 29 01:05:29 yeah, but if you wanted to implement it yourself, doing device.screenWidth and this.screenWidth have different outputs Dec 29 01:05:37 or whatever the attribute is called Dec 29 01:05:46 is that important though? Dec 29 01:06:02 right now, there are only 2 screen resolutions, and we know both of them Dec 29 01:06:16 yes, but on tablets apps may be tiled Dec 29 01:06:30 dont worry about mythical future devices, by the time you go to get your apps ready for new devices, palm will have told you its new resolution Dec 29 01:06:53 true Dec 29 01:26:39 good evening everyone Dec 29 01:26:57 evening Dec 29 01:41:28 ello Dec 29 02:36:15 never remove an SD card from an android device, it seems Dec 29 02:36:48 take out the card -- BOOM force quit dialogs from winamp, doubletwist and twidroyd Dec 29 02:36:49 lol Dec 29 02:36:51 force quit dialogs Dec 29 02:37:42