**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Dec 31 02:59:58 2010 Dec 31 03:01:04 I really should get around to documenting my simple solution Dec 31 03:04:08 it's all in the spring contacts in the battery compartment Dec 31 03:04:35 for some reason mine were too flat, and a little bit of levering fixed the problem completely Dec 31 03:06:46 the only problem ive ever had with touchstones, is when i bought a case Dec 31 03:06:53 and the magnets werent strong enough to hold it to the ts Dec 31 03:06:58 through the case Dec 31 03:07:01 so i stoped using the case Dec 31 03:07:12 yeah, same here Dec 31 03:07:34 truth is the original charger I had died, so I'm not sure if that's related Dec 31 03:07:52 but I fixed the problem long before the charger died Dec 31 03:08:52 I am such an idiot Dec 31 03:09:14 for like 20m I've been trying to see why my threshold for the scroller wasn't being hiot Dec 31 03:09:15 hit Dec 31 03:09:20 lol Dec 31 03:09:24 it's because I was looking at the x coordinate, not y Dec 31 03:09:29 lol Dec 31 03:09:35 DERP Dec 31 03:09:37 been there, too many times Dec 31 03:09:41 yeah, i use that in a horizontal scroller Dec 31 03:09:53 bastard! Dec 31 03:09:54 but, i always get x/y mixed up Dec 31 03:10:36 i mean, just look at the comment at hte top of my line graphing class Dec 31 03:10:36 http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/lumberjack.git;a=blob;f=app/models/line-graph.js;h=070029f15d00ce91c31db6f660f43397e0d9e0e6;hb=HEAD Dec 31 03:10:46 hah! Dec 31 03:10:52 you might be shocked at how often i actually look at it Dec 31 03:10:55 its like i always forget Dec 31 03:12:08 hahaahaha Dec 31 03:13:16 funkatron: so what's your approach? hold? or just swipe? Dec 31 03:13:44 pull down, but don't fire until you let go, and check if we passed a certain threshold Dec 31 03:14:27 nice Dec 31 03:31:40 yeah Dec 31 03:31:52 I have to actually get it on the device and see how it feels, but I have it working Dec 31 03:33:15 sweet Dec 31 03:33:49 ran into a lot of weird scoping issues; this binding on the "moved" event is funky Dec 31 03:38:29 did you do it oil's way? Dec 31 03:39:32 yeah Dec 31 03:39:35 works well Dec 31 03:39:45 well, except for me making it more complex Dec 31 03:40:59 I just meant the odd, addEventListener Dec 31 03:41:10 right Dec 31 03:41:11 yep Dec 31 03:41:51 sweet, can't wait to try it Dec 31 03:42:43 my device's battery died, so I need to test spin it first. I'll push up the code though. Dec 31 04:05:29 funkatron: yeah, there is this comment in there, too Dec 31 04:05:34 this.scrollerMoved = this.scrollerMoved.bind(this); // cant be binded "AsEventListener" for whatever reason... Dec 31 04:05:37 lol Dec 31 04:05:40 hahaha Dec 31 04:05:53 that's what I was trying to do Dec 31 04:05:56 bah Dec 31 04:05:58 sorry, haha Dec 31 04:06:06 lulz Dec 31 04:06:07 FAIL Dec 31 04:06:08 ;) it's alright, I think it's working now Dec 31 04:06:09 i never was able to use bindAsEventListener, always broke the function Dec 31 04:06:20 * oil uses it for most things Dec 31 04:06:20 I pushed the code up to github if anyone is REALLY excite about it Dec 31 04:06:29 omgomgomgomg github! Dec 31 04:06:30 but that one it doesn't work for whatever reason Dec 31 04:06:34 omg Dec 31 04:06:36 oil: what's the difference between bind and bindas...? Dec 31 04:06:43 hell if i know Dec 31 04:06:54 lol Dec 31 04:06:57 haha Dec 31 04:07:12 is it any better than bind? Dec 31 04:08:05 "An event-specific variant of Function#bind which ensures the function will recieve the current event object as the first argument when executing." Dec 31 04:08:47 I think it curries the function so the event obj is the first param Dec 31 04:09:08 oh, instead of pushing other args in front, i see Dec 31 04:09:15 http://api.prototypejs.org/language/Function/prototype/bindAsEventListener/ Dec 31 04:09:18 so if there are no extra args its not a problem Dec 31 04:17:25 moooo Dec 31 04:17:35 aight, I'm out. night folx Dec 31 04:19:07 Sheesh people are hating on my Sprint Pre 2, telling me not to call it a Sprint Pre 2 Dec 31 04:19:09 wow Dec 31 04:22:46 heh, why? Dec 31 04:26:21 Not sure Dec 31 04:26:33 Jealous they cant get one? Dec 31 04:27:21 still on the hunt for a decent keyboard Dec 31 04:32:38 * DougReeder waves hello Dec 31 05:07:50 anyone else here like the cube series of movies? Dec 31 05:09:11 mugen-: liked the first one Dec 31 05:11:10 didn't like hypercube?! Dec 31 05:11:14 or cube zero? Dec 31 05:11:43 they're so cheezy, they should be illegal... but damn they're entertaining Dec 31 05:11:59 :) I'll have to watch em Dec 31 05:13:21 yeah, hypercube is neat... and then zero is told from the perspective of the "technicians" that watch the subjects inside... Dec 31 05:22:13 sheesh Dec 31 05:22:32 itstodamncold Dec 31 05:22:48 Some guy thought I said koto was coming out when 2.0 came out.. and I said January Dec 31 05:23:11 So now he thinks 2.0 is coming out in January. Dec 31 05:23:13 Sill people. Dec 31 05:23:16 lol Dec 31 05:23:19 SILLY* Dec 31 05:23:57 oh well. I'm going to look bad come february if 2.0 isn't out Dec 31 05:24:46 what did HP/Palm say? "coming months" or sthing more specific? Dec 31 05:25:23 coming months Dec 31 05:25:32 I think they might have said end of 2010 Dec 31 05:26:10 my guess is January Dec 31 05:27:13 gotta reboot - webos says all my cards belong to "News" Dec 31 05:27:32 * DougReeder waves goodnight Dec 31 05:27:39 http://www.autoblog.com/2010/12/29/video-mulholland-mayhem-canyon-drivers-fail-to-walk-the-line/ Dec 31 05:28:21 Oh, LA drivers.... Dec 31 05:28:30 although that IS a fun road Dec 31 05:28:39 yeah it is Dec 31 05:31:00 it's effing freezing in phoenix right now :( supposed to get to 26 tonight Dec 31 05:35:23 yay The Crazies! Dec 31 05:35:48 tim olyphant rocks Dec 31 05:52:12 http://goo.gl/Ca85 Dec 31 05:52:20 it's so sad but so funny at the same time Dec 31 05:52:22 goodnight everyone Dec 31 05:52:29 night tibfib Dec 31 05:56:45 hey sine :D Dec 31 06:00:58 hey hey Dec 31 06:01:08 man I had no idea that EVDO r.B even existed Dec 31 06:01:51 :) Dec 31 06:05:27 trying to wrap my head around lists in webOS :p Dec 31 06:05:58 with drawers?!?! :D Dec 31 06:06:14 nooooooo Dec 31 06:06:20 boo! Dec 31 06:06:21 hehe Dec 31 06:06:21 and to a lesser extent GIT Dec 31 06:06:26 ah Dec 31 06:06:35 git's fun Dec 31 06:06:45 google for git cheat, it's really useful Dec 31 06:06:50 http://www.git-tower.com/ this is one damn fine lookin' app, tell you what Dec 31 06:07:30 oooooo Dec 31 06:07:50 this is exactly what i've been lookin' for Dec 31 06:09:19 does anyone provide a free git hosting for non oss? Dec 31 06:09:40 the only thing I've run into with it is that there doesn't seem to be git revert functions Dec 31 06:09:51 but my dumb butt shouldn't be committing willy nilly anyways XD Dec 31 06:09:59 mugen-: how much space/projects? Dec 31 06:10:14 beanstalkapp.com does one free GIT repo and has a really nice UI Dec 31 06:10:16 one or two projects, 10-20mb? Dec 31 06:10:20 tiny Dec 31 06:10:28 Check out that then Dec 31 06:10:31 i just don't have a server available locally yet Dec 31 06:10:49 sweet :) Dec 31 06:11:04 They limit you to one repo and it can get confusing doing more than one project Dec 31 06:11:35 yeah, i setup a local gitosis for a reason Dec 31 06:11:56 lol, I like that Tower has "Blame view" as a coming feature Dec 31 06:12:06 if you really need it, i could float you some gitosis access for a month or two Dec 31 06:13:22 * halfhalo hearts his gitosis web ui Dec 31 06:13:23 can i trust you? :) Dec 31 06:13:37 the real problem is if i can trust you Dec 31 06:13:55 you have a local copy of your code thanks to git, but you have a username on my machine thanks to gitosis Dec 31 06:14:22 it's all good Dec 31 06:14:23 No you don't... Not if its setup right Dec 31 06:14:39 i appreciate the offer though Dec 31 06:14:39 oh right right, that was a different git server Dec 31 06:14:44 gitosis is just the git username Dec 31 06:14:55 Yup yup Dec 31 06:15:15 now i remember why i switched to gitosis when i wanted to share a repo Dec 31 06:15:16 i'll just use beanstalk until i can get my setup going Dec 31 06:15:25 a'ight Dec 31 06:17:10 curious tho... is there a git daemon that can encrypt repos? Dec 31 06:17:21 for hosting purposes? Dec 31 06:17:31 i worded that like a jackass... Dec 31 06:17:46 blah... nm Dec 31 06:18:19 i dunno about encrypt, but some compress them Dec 31 06:20:08 it seems you can do it by putting hooks in your repo to encrypt on push and decrypt on pull Dec 31 06:21:01 hmmm... yeah, it'd be nice to encrypt and decrypt on push and pull... but it would kind of defeat the purpose Dec 31 06:21:22 SineOt, Tower is sweet man :) Dec 31 06:21:53 why would it defeat the purpose? Dec 31 06:22:08 your repo would be encrypted only on the server Dec 31 06:22:33 though i guess you're checking in a binary file so your repo wouldn't be useful Dec 31 06:22:49 yea Dec 31 06:58:03 does anyone else get weird touchscreen activity when their phone is on the touchstone? Dec 31 06:58:57 sometimes, randomly, when i try to hit something on the screen, i see the tap ripple somewhere else entirely Dec 31 07:09:15 i've not noticed that at all Dec 31 07:30:41 anyone have recommendations for mail clients in osx? Dec 31 08:16:58 mugen-: thunderbird? Dec 31 08:19:08 ahahaha Dec 31 08:19:11 "Error: Caught exception in List widget 'listId' setup(): Error: require Failed: Failed to find scroller for element, although one might wonder why it is a requirement." Dec 31 08:26:03 lol Dec 31 08:28:45 * SineOt does, in fact, wonder why it is a requirement. Dec 31 13:51:47 hey did I hear there is a 2.1 update out Dec 31 16:16:11 hi all! Dec 31 16:17:11 Hi JenP Dec 31 16:17:18 omg.. vzw pre2 Dec 31 16:17:29 hiya Dec 31 16:23:17 heh vzw.... lol Dec 31 16:23:52 CTLAdvance: so what do I have to do to create a Sprint Pre 2 ? Dec 31 16:23:58 hi jenp Dec 31 16:24:08 be totally awesome Dec 31 16:24:20 lol...morning haeffb Dec 31 16:24:21 if you meet that criteria, move to step 2 Dec 31 16:24:44 haeffb - its not hard actually Dec 31 16:25:01 step 2) have rwhitby-pre walk you through doing it. Dec 31 16:25:41 rwhitby-pre is probably still sleeping off the new year's celebration Dec 31 16:26:01 then you'll have to wait. Dec 31 16:26:08 since those are the only two steps Dec 31 16:26:13 CTLAdvance: is somewhat awesome sufficient? Or is totally really a prerequisite? Dec 31 16:26:36 haeffb: gl with your frankenpre Dec 31 16:26:55 because I'll have to start drinking to get to the point where I think I'm totally awesome, and that may not be conducive to detail work... Dec 31 16:29:53 Well, technically it is a complete prereq, however for you.... we can let it slide and just Blame Oil afterwards Dec 31 16:30:06 me likey. Dec 31 16:30:21 man, it's been so long since I looked at my code...it's all greek. Dec 31 16:30:40 lol for what Dec 31 16:30:41 apps? Dec 31 16:30:56 lol Dec 31 16:32:32 yeah, haven't touched them in a month Dec 31 16:33:02 Yeah I hear you, some of them I have to spend almost as much time reviewing them as I do making changes when I get time Dec 31 16:33:18 So haeffb are you an EA developer Dec 31 16:36:51 Can anyone confirm is there is a pre 2 update? Dec 31 16:37:13 I have a feeling some people have been confused with the 2.0.1 update Dec 31 16:38:08 CTLAdvance: I can neither confirm nor deny. Dec 31 16:38:34 the EA thing, not the Pre 2 update thing Dec 31 16:41:56 well the 2.1 is supposed to hit all devices.. so im sure its just 2.0.1 Dec 31 16:43:52 they probably didnt update, then their device was like, all get back in line ho, im installing this update, open your ports Dec 31 17:46:47 anyone do server stuff? I've set up a preware feed using this https://github.com/Appstuh/webOS_Repository but I can't get the redirects to work. domain/pkg.php?user=blah&token=blah works.. but domain/blah/blah/Packages doesn't work. I added the .htaccess file. Dec 31 17:46:54 This is on a subdomain if that matters Dec 31 18:14:25 annnyone? Dec 31 18:32:09 Tibfib: do you have mod_rewrite installed on your apache? Dec 31 18:32:27 I assume so, it works for wordpress Dec 31 18:35:45 i don't know if wordpress uses mod_rewrite *shrug* Dec 31 18:41:17 it can if you have it Dec 31 18:58:32 hello Dec 31 19:12:36 bah, contacting dev of feed Dec 31 20:15:24 Tibfib: maybe your rewrite-rules aren't correct? -> http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/misc/rewriteguide.html Dec 31 20:16:33 e.g.: " if you say /~quux/foo instead of /~quux/foo/ then the server searches for a file named foo " Dec 31 20:17:31 --> "[...] /Packages " Dec 31 20:17:39 l3 Dec 31 20:19:11 but it is a file Dec 31 20:19:33 I added a space after Packages and no change :/ Dec 31 20:20:55 I think the problem is I'm using a subdomain Dec 31 20:42:00 * haeffb getting some weird bug reports today. Seems to be something to do with dates and the end of the year Dec 31 20:44:06 no i dind't mean to add a space Dec 31 20:44:24 e.g.: " if you say /~quux/foo instead of /~quux/foo/ then the server searches for a file named foo " Dec 31 20:44:58 according to this: "[...] /Packages " --TO--> "[...] /Packages/" Dec 31 20:45:10 sorry if i did not spoke clearly. Dec 31 20:52:51 so what do I do? Dec 31 20:52:53 @ leiru Dec 31 20:54:04 haeffb: Y2K11! Dec 31 21:00:07 date1 = new Date(); Dec 31 21:00:35 Date 1 Fri Dec 31 2010 14:56:04 GMT-0600 (CST) Dec 31 21:00:48 date1.setHours(0,0,0,0); Dec 31 21:01:06 Date 1 Sat Jan 01 2011 00:00:00 GMT-0600 (CST) Dec 31 21:01:16 that is wrong Dec 31 21:07:08 Tibfib: adding a slash? -> http://pastebin.com/dRaYPv5H Dec 31 21:07:19 i would say this, after the guide says: Dec 31 21:07:28 if you say /~quux/foo instead of /~quux/foo/ then the server searches for a file named foo Dec 31 21:07:54 leiru: but Packages is a file ? Dec 31 21:08:06 hm. Dec 31 21:08:13 then i was wrong Dec 31 21:08:17 so I'm confused out of my mind Dec 31 21:08:17 :( Dec 31 21:08:23 I think my .htaccess is just being ignored Dec 31 21:08:30 thanks for the help though Dec 31 21:09:17 Tibfib: it is Dec 31 21:09:29 how do I fix it? Dec 31 21:09:31 cherokee does not listen to it Dec 31 21:09:42 oh. Dec 31 21:09:47 it has its own engine, which is similar, but different Dec 31 21:09:49 no, here's the problem: date2.setMonth(date1.getMonth() + MyAPP.account.hidemonths); Dec 31 21:09:55 the end result is the same Dec 31 21:10:09 I was thinking I used apache and cherokee... but they do the same things so you don't need both. heh Dec 31 21:10:15 halfhalo: how would I accomplish it then? Dec 31 21:11:16 http://www.cherokee-project.com/doc/modules_handlers_redir.html should help Dec 31 21:11:56 it should be easy to adapt it to cherokees internal handler Dec 31 21:12:01 slight logic problem on my part Dec 31 21:12:12 logic is for sissies Dec 31 21:13:32 halfhalo: sucks you weren't around earlier. would saved me some time :) Dec 31 21:13:41 :D Dec 31 21:14:44 halfhalo: where did you get the info he is not using apache? Dec 31 21:14:48 *wonder* Dec 31 21:15:54 * halfhalo set it up Dec 31 21:16:47 * Tibfib doesn't know much about servers :) Dec 31 22:22:22 Holy smokes http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=9392 Dec 31 22:27:13 yeah Dec 31 22:27:25 bugs suck Dec 31 22:27:42 Letting massive bugs like that live on for that long sucks more :p Dec 31 22:31:21 yeah Dec 31 23:15:19 happy new year #webos! Dec 31 23:32:57 gude launee! Dec 31 23:32:59 :D Dec 31 23:43:03 man opensource shopping carts really blow.. and addons that make them worth using ARENT free.. Dec 31 23:43:19 i guess im just used to things like phpbb Dec 31 23:43:28 and wordpress Dec 31 23:55:51 well HI! Dec 31 23:56:53 im thinking about doctoring my phone just because.. but i dont wanna have to reconfigure it or deal with profile headaches Jan 01 00:00:19 1.4.5 or ...later? Jan 01 00:00:20 hm, how to set the initial state of a toggle button in code is confusing me @_@ Jan 01 00:00:39 default? Jan 01 00:00:54 whoa :Q Jan 01 00:00:58 yeah default Jan 01 00:01:05 maik, higher ;p just realized there ws something higher available for me Jan 01 00:01:20 didn't realize I could set the value to a variable Jan 01 00:01:56 ya um.. be careful it may or may not be buggy based on no actual experience i have with it due to being under NDA Jan 01 00:02:15 yeah thats what worries me heh Jan 01 00:02:32 i want to be bleeding edge.. but then i dont :P Jan 01 00:03:14 i'm thinking if i did doctor to 2.0, i would have liked some of the features, but there would be some points where it would just look like it's being overloaded and hang for minutes at a time Jan 01 00:03:16 preware should be able to allow you to email the saved package list Jan 01 00:03:29 that would be nice Jan 01 00:03:37 i would also not use your real profile, make a dev one Jan 01 00:20:37 LIES! it's almost 2011 and still i don't have webos 2.x! Jan 01 00:21:12 lol Jan 01 00:21:39 they said early 2011, not hours before it **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Jan 01 02:59:58 2011