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Jan 03 04:29:35 <Tibfib> is it bad practice to deep clone an array with JSON.parse(JSON.stringify(array)); ?
Jan 03 04:30:42 <Tibfib> because I need a deep clone, and that seems to work pretty well.
Jan 03 05:52:44 <rwhitby> JenP: palm tool if you don't care about using a profile later, MetaDoctor if you do.
Jan 03 06:08:32 <JenP> thanks rod...got it all taken  care of
Jan 03 06:09:18 <destinal> rwhitby: what's the fix for those who have used the palm tool short of redoctoring, can you just remove the flag?
Jan 03 06:09:50 <rwhitby> destinal: for 1.4.5, yes. for 2.x, no.
Jan 03 06:10:26 <destinal> well for 2.0 you can bypass via the devmode command on the keypad, right?  but that creates the same issue and it's less simple to back out?
Jan 03 06:11:35 <rwhitby> yep
Jan 03 06:11:45 <rwhitby> it creates Dr Skipped Firstuse profile
Jan 03 06:47:37 <AndChat-> Can you develop Pdk on linux
Jan 03 06:47:47 <AndChat-> Waitaminute.
Jan 03 06:54:19 <destinal> torchienook: there'd WIDK which is a much more advanced cross compile environment.     Also, if you want to run straight Palm PDK, I've come up with this article that I think accomplishes that  http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/PDK_on_Linux
Jan 03 06:54:56 <destinal> basically covers installing the OSX PDK and replacing the toolchain inside it with a Linux version of the same
Jan 03 06:56:01 <torchienook> Yeah but work apps can't get onto the catalog can they
Jan 03 06:56:21 <torchienook> Widk*
Jan 03 06:56:49 <torchienook> Ill do the linux pdk method when i grab hold of a linux machine i guess
Jan 03 06:56:52 <destinal> torchienook: no reason why not, palm hasn't stated using their PDK is a requirement
Jan 03 06:57:15 <torchienook> I see
Jan 03 06:57:29 <torchienook> I may make the switch then
Jan 03 06:57:31 <destinal> torchienook: they've even steered people towards using WIDK at NYC DevDays
Jan 03 06:58:55 <destinal> torchienook: if you are interested in trying the PDK on Linux method listed above though, I could definitely use some feedback
Jan 03 07:01:51 <torchie-nook> I can't seem to find it in the market
Jan 03 07:02:41 <torchie-nook> Oh
Jan 03 07:02:43 <torchie-nook> Yaaic
Jan 03 07:03:49 <torchie-nook> Aaaaand i just found a client that does text to sppeech lol
Jan 03 08:05:32 <hotdp> Hej
Jan 03 08:42:19 <teemu> morning
Jan 03 08:42:43 <hotdp> Mornings
Jan 03 10:28:13 <b0bben_> morning good ppl of webosdev world!
Jan 03 10:48:27 <mugen-> it never seems to fail to impress me how fun RoR code is to read
Jan 03 10:48:50 <b0bben> mugen-: yeah, dynamic langs are awesome
Jan 03 10:48:51 <hotdp> "fun" ?
Jan 03 10:48:53 <mugen-> it's like webdev eye velvet
Jan 03 10:49:13 <mugen-> yea... fun :)
Jan 03 10:50:11 <b0bben> collection1.map(&:item3).collection4.uniq.sort.each etc.
Jan 03 10:50:24 <b0bben> beautiful stuff...ruby
Jan 03 10:50:37 <hotdp> but "fun"
Jan 03 10:50:50 <b0bben> took me forever to wrap my head around ruby
Jan 03 10:52:01 <mugen-> hotdp, compared to html/xml/anything/else/in/the/world
Jan 03 10:52:09 <mugen-> yeah... ruby is fun to read
Jan 03 10:53:06 <mugen-> the time it takes me to acclimate to someone elses code in ruby is a fraction that of anything else
Jan 03 10:53:25 <mugen-> ...i just think it's neat
Jan 03 10:53:33 <mugen-> don't rain on my parade :P
Jan 03 10:53:42 <b0bben> i'm not, i
Jan 03 10:53:46 <b0bben> i'm praising it!
Jan 03 10:53:53 <mugen-> i know :D
Jan 03 10:53:59 <mugen-> i mean dp over there
Jan 03 10:54:01 * mugen- points.
Jan 03 10:54:02 <b0bben> it's hotdp !
Jan 03 10:54:17 <b0bben> let's throw exceptions at him!
Jan 03 10:54:23 <mugen-> lol
Jan 03 10:54:39 <mugen-> he better hope he can catch them!
Jan 03 10:54:44 <mugen-> muahaha
Jan 03 10:54:46 <b0bben> mwahaha
Jan 03 10:54:50 <b0bben> oh man, i'm lonely
Jan 03 10:55:01 <b0bben> no, not really...but coding jokes are awesome
Jan 03 10:55:19 <b0bben> too bad my wife just looks at me with this strange look when i'm trying to explain
Jan 03 10:56:06 <b0bben> and i'm all like: "honey, could you please pass me the butter...by reference plz"
Jan 03 10:56:13 <b0bben> she's like: STFU
Jan 03 10:56:42 <b0bben> now that i think of it, it would be better to pass it by value...hmm
Jan 03 10:56:58 <b0bben> ok, i'll quit now...*sips coffe, looks around*
Jan 03 10:58:01 <b0bben> so, any palm news this morning? :)
Jan 03 11:00:43 <hotdp> hehe
Jan 03 11:00:54 <hotdp> b0bben not what i know, but lets see at CEs
Jan 03 11:02:21 <b0bben> oh, that's right, CES is this week
Jan 03 11:02:56 <mugen-> lol
Jan 03 11:03:08 <mugen-> my gf just ignores me
Jan 03 11:03:09 * hotdp has saved 1 champagne for SEC
Jan 03 11:03:44 <mugen-> infact most of the women in my life have mastered that skill quite well :P sister, mom, etc...
Jan 03 11:03:53 <mugen-> SEC?
Jan 03 11:04:05 <b0bben> he means ECS
Jan 03 11:04:18 <mugen-> ohhh.. i thought he meant SCE
Jan 03 11:04:46 <mugen-> har har har
Jan 03 11:05:01 <mugen-> nothing huh?
Jan 03 11:05:06 <b0bben> hotdp: if palm doesn't release any stuff, what ya gonna do with the champagne?
Jan 03 11:05:41 <b0bben> wait for mobile world congress, if nothing happens there, i say you go to sunnyvale and put that bottle up someones....
Jan 03 11:05:50 <mugen-> lol
Jan 03 11:06:04 <mugen-> i'm so hopeful it's not even funny
Jan 03 11:06:16 <mugen-> i would probably wait even afer MWC
Jan 03 11:06:26 <mugen-> ...does that make me pathetic?
Jan 03 11:07:12 <b0bben> wasn't HP planning on a separate event? between CES and MWC? they do have the muscle to attract the big names in media for such an event i reckon
Jan 03 11:07:29 <b0bben> mugen-: no, not pathetic...mostly sad...but not pathetic
Jan 03 11:07:35 <b0bben> ;)
Jan 03 11:08:07 <mugen-> hehe
Jan 03 11:08:25 <mugen-> i just feel like i'm 16 again and swooning for that really hot girl at school that never notices me
Jan 03 11:08:48 <b0bben> only this time, the 16yearold girl is a fat guy running a corporation?
Jan 03 11:08:54 <mugen-> ...let's just hope real life and HP/Palm doesn't reflect my experience as a 16 y/o at school
Jan 03 11:09:01 <b0bben> haha
Jan 03 11:09:12 <b0bben> you've been burned too many times ? ;)
Jan 03 11:09:22 <mugen-> :D
Jan 03 11:09:34 <b0bben> you're not alone in your sorrows mugen-
Jan 03 11:09:54 <b0bben> you're like a north american version of me
Jan 03 11:10:03 <b0bben> that doesn't speak like chef from muppets
Jan 03 11:10:07 <mugen-> lol
Jan 03 11:10:17 <b0bben> srsly though, i hear ya
Jan 03 11:10:22 <mugen-> i'm actually British born and raised :)
Jan 03 11:10:31 <mugen-> i just ended up over here
Jan 03 11:10:42 <b0bben> i sooooo want HP/Palm/webos to have a huge breakthru
Jan 03 11:10:50 <mugen-> they will
Jan 03 11:10:53 <mugen-> they have to
Jan 03 11:10:54 <b0bben> haha, get back then! ye old country needs you
Jan 03 11:11:21 <mugen-> ugh
Jan 03 11:11:30 <mugen-> tell me about it
Jan 03 11:11:55 <b0bben> in 20min, there are gonna be 3 kids < 5 years old running around here
Jan 03 11:12:03 <b0bben> i better hide all my equipment
Jan 03 11:12:08 <mugen-> uh oh
Jan 03 11:12:13 <b0bben> if i see any of them sucking on my pre
Jan 03 11:12:21 <mugen-> so check it out
Jan 03 11:12:24 <b0bben> i'll take that as a sign that webos is gonna rock 2011
Jan 03 11:12:43 <mugen-> HP is going to re-release the PalmPilot
Jan 03 11:12:54 <mugen-> it's going to happen!
Jan 03 11:13:31 * mugen- wonders if people under NDA are cringing...
Jan 03 11:13:43 <mugen-> i hope they are and i'm right! XD
Jan 03 11:33:44 <warpdesign__> good morning
Jan 03 11:51:26 <mugen-> mmm Saw7
Jan 03 11:51:37 * mugen- rubs his hands together...
Jan 03 14:42:00 <hacknperl> I think it would be awesome if Lazarus could create webOS applications.  They are working on the Android platform now.  If anyone knows what Lazarus is and thinks it would be great for webOS let them know at lazarus.freepascal.org.  I have written a few applications for Windows Mobile with this IDE faster then anything else makes it possible and now I want to port these apps to webOS...
Jan 03 14:42:18 <hotdp> ok
Jan 03 15:08:18 <hotdp> good luck
Jan 03 15:11:45 <Loudergood> we're all counting on you.
Jan 03 15:27:18 <InfiniteLoop> happy new year all!
Jan 03 15:41:25 <CTLAdvance> This looks interesting
Jan 03 15:41:26 <CTLAdvance> http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/03/ocosmos-returns-at-ces-2011-with-windows-7-based-gaming-handheld/#disqus_thread
Jan 03 15:42:16 <Loudergood> windows 7 handheld? awkward.
Jan 03 15:46:27 <CTLAdvance> Depends on if the build in support for ARM or not, MS licensed it late last year.
Jan 03 15:46:58 <Loudergood> I just mean the UI
Jan 03 15:47:30 <CTLAdvance> yeah on such a small screen, I mayb have to agree... well see this week though
Jan 03 15:48:07 <Loudergood> let me tell you, lots of the dialogs just don't work with 720 vertical pixels
Jan 03 15:48:27 * Loudergood has a win7 htpc hooked up to a 720p projector
Jan 03 15:54:46 <sugardave> happy new year
Jan 03 17:59:09 <JenP> morning sugardave happy new year!
Jan 03 19:08:10 <halfhalo> moooo
Jan 03 19:10:09 * dohtem offers halfhalo some hay
Jan 03 19:10:58 <dohtem> hey Tibfib
Jan 03 19:11:11 <Tibfib_wIRC> howdy dohtem
Jan 03 19:12:05 <Tibfib_wIRC> anyone working on anything interesting?
Jan 03 19:13:06 <mattsmcnulty> not me
Jan 03 19:13:11 <Tibfib_wIRC> heh
Jan 03 19:13:36 * dohtem actually burst out laughing at that response
Jan 03 19:14:12 <mattsmcnulty> ;-)
Jan 03 19:14:14 * halfhalo is sad there is no snow here
Jan 03 19:14:30 * Rick_work still has ice. that's not as good as snow, but it's close
Jan 03 19:14:38 <Rick_work> rwhitby has 44 degrees C
Jan 03 19:14:57 <halfhalo> it would have been the first snow here in a loooong time
Jan 03 19:15:02 <mattsmcnulty> it's freezing here. 48 degrees. brrrrrr ;-)
Jan 03 19:15:06 <halfhalo> but i do have to have showchains to go to vegas
Jan 03 19:15:13 * halfhalo is under 40 rightnow
Jan 03 19:15:15 <Rick_work> mattsmcnulty  my heart bleeds for you.
Jan 03 19:15:22 <dohtem> halfhalo: LA?
Jan 03 19:15:32 <halfhalo> close enough
Jan 03 19:15:37 <Rick_work> mattsmcnulty  speaking of that, any new you care to leak BESIDES the weather in sunnyvale?
Jan 03 19:16:18 <mattsmcnulty> nope. I don't leak. Now I have to go back and work on our 27" tablet. oh, damn
Jan 03 19:16:26 <dohtem> yay!
Jan 03 19:16:37 <mattsmcnulty> it's the perfect companion to our 300" tablet
Jan 03 19:16:56 <halfhalo> oh, I have one of those.... wait... what?
Jan 03 19:17:16 <dohtem> sounds like the Dallas Cowboys stadium could use webOS on that gigantic screen.... give em a call
Jan 03 19:17:18 <mattsmcnulty> comes with a free wheelbarrow to cart it around in
Jan 03 19:17:26 <Rick_work> mattsmcnulty  good to know.  We'll start moving those rumors about palmWall asap.
Jan 03 19:17:37 <halfhalo> ahwwww.... i got jipped, i only got a handcart with mine
Jan 03 19:18:15 <mattsmcnulty> that's because you are on sprint
Jan 03 19:18:40 * halfhalo has devices on att, vzw, and sprint....
Jan 03 19:19:19 <maik> it's a lowest common denominator sort of thing
Jan 03 19:19:25 <maik> though i guess that would be att
Jan 03 19:19:27 <maik> zing!
Jan 03 19:19:37 <halfhalo> yup
Jan 03 19:19:43 <halfhalo> only the ipad is on att
Jan 03 19:19:52 <maik> ah
Jan 03 19:20:01 <dohtem> vzw sells it with a mifi tho
Jan 03 19:20:05 <maik> in something completely unrelated by utterly hilarious: http://i.imgur.com/or2dv.jpg
Jan 03 19:20:29 <maik> vzw's iPad is a wifi iPad + mifi ?
Jan 03 19:20:49 <halfhalo> yeah
Jan 03 19:20:52 <halfhalo> aka pos
Jan 03 19:20:53 <maik> that's hilarious
Jan 03 19:21:12 <halfhalo> even though its att, integrated is the way to go
Jan 03 19:21:19 <dohtem> maik: ungreased backdoor?
Jan 03 19:21:22 <dohtem> lmao
Jan 03 19:21:42 <maik> lol
Jan 03 19:23:11 * halfhalo gets back to packing
Jan 03 19:25:02 <Tibfib_wIRC> oil: yellow should be removed from the possible random colors in wIRC
Jan 03 19:25:14 <Tibfib_wIRC> at least for the palm-default theme
Jan 03 19:25:32 <halfhalo> replace it with light gold
Jan 03 19:25:34 <halfhalo> :D
Jan 03 19:36:48 <dohtem> this is looking pretty good - http://twitter.com/CarbonWebOS
Jan 03 19:37:52 <sugardave> mattsmcnulty: flip the switch, come on, man!
Jan 03 19:38:14 <mattsmcnulty> sugardave: which switch?
Jan 03 19:39:01 <sugardave> THE switch....we want the new stuff.  Hurry :P
Jan 03 19:41:07 <mattsmcnulty> I can assure you as soon as something is ready you will see
Jan 03 19:41:12 <mattsmcnulty> probably slightly before ;-)
Jan 03 19:41:26 * sugardave waits impatiently.
Jan 03 20:02:05 <PuffTheMagic> does this.controller.setupWidget return the setup widget
Jan 03 20:02:06 <PuffTheMagic> ?
Jan 03 20:05:03 <sugardave> PuffTheMagic: hmmm, I don't know...but that would be cool
Jan 03 20:15:12 <sugardave> PuffTheMagic: it does not
Jan 03 20:17:34 <PuffTheMagic> thanks
Jan 03 20:36:59 <oil> ah, puffys gettin mojo support :)
Jan 03 20:37:09 <halfhalo> moho!
Jan 03 20:44:33 <b0bben_> evening folks
Jan 03 20:45:12 <CTLAdvance> afternoon bobben
Jan 03 20:47:22 <b0bben_> so, did i miss anything today? :)
Jan 03 20:49:11 <oil> omg, webos 3!
Jan 03 20:49:12 <oil> xD
Jan 03 20:50:03 <halfhalo> DUNDUNDUN!
Jan 03 21:00:15 <b0bben_> OMG! *runs outside screaming*
Jan 03 21:06:37 * CTLAdvance laughs a bobben as none of the devices can support os3.... muwahahahahahahahahaha
Jan 03 21:06:50 <oil> its only coming out for the pre-
Jan 03 21:06:57 <halfhalo> lulz
Jan 03 21:06:58 <torchie> what is
Jan 03 21:07:00 <torchie> what happen
Jan 03 21:07:07 <torchie> omg sprint rewards
Jan 03 21:07:55 <b0bben_> shadappa!
Jan 03 21:08:06 <oil> _
Jan 03 21:09:04 <CTLAdvance> the pre - should only have been given an upgrade to 1.1.x then stopped
Jan 03 21:09:11 <CTLAdvance> anything after that was complete garbage
Jan 03 21:10:01 <MetaView> bah
Jan 03 21:10:26 <CTLAdvance> or as torchie likes to say, do things work as smoothly as a baby bottom
Jan 03 21:10:55 <torchie> do they?
Jan 03 21:11:05 <torchie> man, I really want to check out 1.1.x
Jan 03 21:11:06 <torchie> :(
Jan 03 21:11:18 <torchie> is there like
Jan 03 21:11:19 <torchie> a
Jan 03 21:11:19 <torchie>  vide
Jan 03 21:11:19 <CTLAdvance> somewhere I have the doctors from last year
Jan 03 21:11:26 <torchie> a video for comparison
Jan 03 21:40:40 <dohtem> dont have indian food for lunch!
Jan 03 21:40:48 * dohtem cant get this smell off his hands
Jan 03 21:52:34 <torchie> ;o
Jan 03 23:03:51 <mugen-> i love zombie headline quotes -> 'Zombie satellite' springs back to life, actual zombies still zombies
Jan 03 23:07:08 <dohtem> Tibfib: Koto player looks nice, man
Jan 03 23:07:45 <nyceane> ello =)
Jan 03 23:08:25 <dohtem> hey nyceane
Jan 04 00:15:43 <dohtem> is '+='  valid in js like in C ?
Jan 04 00:15:51 <halfhalo> si
Jan 04 00:16:04 <dohtem> thanks
Jan 04 00:20:25 <Loudergood> python is the language that really doesn't like it
Jan 04 00:20:32 <Loudergood> amongst others
Jan 04 00:23:52 <dohtem> I only ever used in in C/C++ & Java
Jan 04 00:24:09 <dohtem> it in*
Jan 04 00:25:47 <Loudergood> it works in perl too, but then, you can do anything in perl, anyway you want to
Jan 04 00:26:12 <Loudergood> and hence, perl code usually turns into a mess
Jan 04 00:29:19 <dohtem> heh
Jan 04 00:29:42 <dohtem> I tried using perl for cgi back in the day.  Never got far
Jan 04 00:30:22 <dawm_> php started out as perl scripts
Jan 04 00:30:57 <Loudergood> yeah once I found that out I understood all the security issues
Jan 04 00:31:57 <dohtem> php was a lot of fun
Jan 04 00:33:07 <Loudergood> yeah I really enjoyed learning it
Jan 04 00:47:16 <dohtem> yay, I have been "offered" more responsiblities at work with no raise in sight
Jan 04 00:47:43 <dohtem> </s>
Jan 04 01:02:01 <nyceane> anybody feel like helping my open source webos project?
Jan 04 01:02:02 <nyceane> lol
Jan 04 01:02:15 <nyceane> made some major improvement on the backend
Jan 04 01:02:54 <haeffb__> happy new year #webOS!
Jan 04 01:03:20 <nyceane> happy new year to you haeffb
Jan 04 01:04:12 * haeffb has been away for a while. anything new here?
Jan 04 01:08:16 <torchie> wooooooow
Jan 04 01:08:17 <torchie> :D
Jan 04 01:10:52 <dohtem> nyceane: just curious, what project is this?
Jan 04 01:33:55 <dohtem> webkit now supports W3/Mozilla style CSS gradients - http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2064958
Jan 04 01:33:58 <dohtem> nice!
Jan 04 01:40:52 <oil> and we'll see it in webos.....
Jan 04 01:42:07 <dohtem> in the coming months
Jan 04 01:42:29 <bpadalino> lucky for you that the coming months can mean the next 100!
Jan 04 01:55:55 <hacknperl> Anyone here have any success building applications with QT?
Jan 04 02:28:37 * DougReeder waves hello
Jan 04 02:34:03 <dohtem> can I use inline javascript in my list item template?
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