**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jan 11 02:59:58 2011
Jan 11 03:01:01 <SineOt> What spurred that observation?
Jan 11 03:01:37 <oil> oregon the state?
Jan 11 03:01:48 <oil> like, just, people in oregon choose ugly socks?
Jan 11 03:01:52 <halfhalo> No, the planet
Jan 11 03:02:18 <bpadalino> socks and sandals .. the oregon way
Jan 11 03:02:45 <SineOt> Socks and sandals, the sign that zero fucks where given that day. 8T
Jan 11 03:02:46 <oil> flipflops and tube socks?
Jan 11 03:04:13 * oil wont lie, he rocked that when he was a kid
Jan 11 03:04:41 * SineOt hates tubesocks, always has. Mostly just always went barefoot if possible. Still does for the most part.
Jan 11 03:05:15 <oil> well, now i do
Jan 11 03:08:18 <SineOt> I'll take this moment to say that Toms shoes are freaking amazing and I will wear this pair until it uh, well until they're gone basically
Jan 11 03:08:53 <SineOt> Thanks for the shoes Gowalla and AT&T~
Jan 11 03:10:01 * oil looks at toms.com
Jan 11 03:10:25 <haeffb> oil - you don't realize that your home state school is playing for the football national championship tonight?
Jan 11 03:10:44 <SineOt> I've got a pair of grey canvas classics. Comfy comfy.
Jan 11 03:10:48 <oil> lol, i dont really follow baseball
Jan 11 03:10:58 <SineOt> oh oil <3
Jan 11 03:11:01 <oil> :)
Jan 11 03:11:03 <Tibfib> hehe
Jan 11 03:11:31 <oil> idk if i would consider that shoe
Jan 11 03:11:59 <oil> more like a moccasin
Jan 11 03:12:20 <mugen-> SineOt: what's up buddy? :)
Jan 11 03:12:47 <haeffb> ok, i'll bite. what's so amazing about toms shoe?
Jan 11 03:13:05 <haeffb> oil - your team is losing.
Jan 11 03:13:19 <oil> maybe they'll get a freethrow and win
Jan 11 03:13:25 <oil> http://www.toms.com/mens/earthwise-slate-men-s-classics
Jan 11 03:13:45 <Tibfib> dang, my neato chrome extension is going craazzy
Jan 11 03:14:23 <oil> neato
Jan 11 03:14:36 <haeffb> I might actually wear these: http://www.toms.com/mens/highlands-brown-men-s-botas
Jan 11 03:14:58 <haeffb> looks like it will take more than a freethrow at this point
Jan 11 03:15:19 <oil> lol
Jan 11 03:15:27 <haeffb> in any case, you should turn on espn just to see the socks.
Jan 11 03:15:41 <oil> i dont have cable television
Jan 11 03:15:44 <haeffb> you will retch and immediately change the channel.
Jan 11 03:15:47 <haeffb> drat.
Jan 11 03:15:58 <SineOt> insanely comfortable
Jan 11 03:16:17 <SineOt> and the whole "buy a pair we give a pair to kids in 3rd world countries" bit is nice too :p
Jan 11 03:16:18 <oil> so its just a piece of cloth wrapped around some rubber for a sole
Jan 11 03:16:32 <oil> those shoes are more expensive then my shoes, and mine have more to them
Jan 11 03:16:46 * haeffb wishes I could get a screen cap from my tv to send to oil
Jan 11 03:16:50 <oil> so really you're buying two?
Jan 11 03:17:05 <SineOt> it's a leather sole on the inside
Jan 11 03:17:10 <SineOt> and man you buy cheap shoes :x
Jan 11 03:17:13 <oil> how do i get a free pair of shoes
Jan 11 03:17:21 <oil> lol
Jan 11 03:17:25 <haeffb> move to a third world country
Jan 11 03:17:30 <SineOt> be 8 years old and live in uganda
Jan 11 03:17:33 <haeffb> like, canada
Jan 11 03:17:41 * oil packs up computer
Jan 11 03:17:56 <haeffb> halftime - Auburn 16, Oregon 11
Jan 11 03:18:05 <Tibfib> spoiler alert!
Jan 11 03:18:14 <oil> lol
Jan 11 03:18:33 <SineOt> my last pair of shoes cost like 80$ :T
Jan 11 03:18:35 <haeffb> final score - Oregon 23 Auburn 22
Jan 11 03:19:02 <Tibfib> haeffb must have one of those dvr things... fastforwarding jerks
Jan 11 03:19:17 <SineOt> http://www.toms.com/mens/classics/ash-canvas-classics-shoes these are what I've got
Jan 11 03:19:53 <oil> though
Jan 11 03:20:06 <oil> not having laces is like +10 lazyness
Jan 11 03:20:08 <oil> and im all about that
Jan 11 03:20:51 * haeffb hates when my DVR says "Live TV" and won't fast forward anymore.
Jan 11 03:21:11 <bpadalino> this conversation about toms shoes reminds me of the website: http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/
Jan 11 03:21:22 <haeffb> I get all like..."Why the hell do I pay Dish $60 a month if they won't let me see the future!?!?!?!?"
Jan 11 03:21:26 <bpadalino> particularly prudent since the last post #1 notes Tom's shoes
Jan 11 03:22:47 * oil wonders how the sizing is for these toms shoes
Jan 11 03:23:20 <SineOt> I sized mine a half size down, since it's canvas... They've got some give in the canvas
Jan 11 03:25:53 <haeffb> tell them to send you to pairs, one a half size larger than the other, and you'll send the one that doesn't fit to Africa.
Jan 11 03:26:03 <oil> lol
Jan 11 03:26:17 <haeffb> and also ask if they can make them in Oregon Duck yellow.
Jan 11 03:28:38 <Tibfib> Hmmm, will we still have prototype when we get enyo?
Jan 11 03:29:18 <Tibfib> isn't it built into mojo? or is it built into webOS?
Jan 11 03:30:38 <oil> mojo
Jan 11 03:30:48 <Tibfib> ooh.
Jan 11 03:30:51 * oil is used to prototype
Jan 11 03:30:58 <Tibfib> yeah. I might include it in my source :)
Jan 11 03:31:03 <oil> lol
Jan 11 03:36:03 <funkatron> I wonder what Enyo will include for DOM manip and shit
Jan 11 03:36:26 <Tibfib> jquery mobile ?
Jan 11 03:37:40 <funkatron> I doubt it
Jan 11 03:37:42 <funkatron> but maybe?
Jan 11 03:38:14 <Tibfib> no clue.. isn't palm a partner for it?
Jan 11 03:39:14 <funkatron> well
Jan 11 03:39:19 <funkatron> in theory
Jan 11 03:39:33 <funkatron> we'll see.
Jan 11 03:40:02 * Tibfib likes the jquery demoes
Jan 11 03:41:03 * Tibfib wants palm to hurry up with enyo
Jan 11 03:41:25 <funkatron> you and me both
Jan 11 03:41:37 * Tibfib also wants a push api :)
Jan 11 03:41:46 <funkatron> that too
Jan 11 03:43:20 * oil also wants tablet
Jan 11 03:43:30 <funkatron> I want a pony
Jan 11 03:43:31 <oil> :)
Jan 11 03:43:41 <oil> not a full size horse?
Jan 11 03:43:49 <funkatron> I just want my damn dev device discount coupon to be approved.
Jan 11 03:44:01 <oil> for pre2?
Jan 11 03:44:14 <oil> gotta call someone and get em to push er through
Jan 11 03:44:23 <funkatron> I guess it's finally getting reviewed
Jan 11 03:44:26 <Tibfib> annoy chuq, that's what I did
Jan 11 03:44:27 <funkatron> *shrug*
Jan 11 03:44:34 <funkatron> nah, he is annoyed enough; 8D
Jan 11 03:44:40 <funkatron> I did tho, it's working through channels
Jan 11 03:44:52 <oil> the squeaky wheel...
Jan 11 03:44:57 <oil> gets replaced
Jan 11 03:45:08 <oil> lol
Jan 11 03:47:18 <halfhalo> Those are very yellow socks...
Jan 11 03:55:20 <CTLAdvance> Evening
Jan 11 03:55:28 <CTLAdvance> good evening everyone
Jan 11 03:55:36 <haeffb> see! I told you...the socks...!
Jan 11 03:56:14 * haeffb has a discount coupon, but haven't decided if I should use it or not.
Jan 11 03:59:30 <haeffb> guess I can wait until Feb 9 to see what's said about Sprint
Jan 11 04:00:03 <CTLAdvance> I think you better wait and see if you want to keep your plan or go buy a verizon pre 2
Jan 11 04:00:21 <CTLAdvance> as thats all thats being announced for phones on the 9th
Jan 11 04:00:25 <CTLAdvance> ;)
Jan 11 04:01:02 <CTLAdvance> I really hope they launch something good.
Jan 11 04:06:03 <CTLAdvance> Anyone use the webview widget
Jan 11 04:06:20 <JenP> sprint just has to get something new. My phones barely holding itself together
Jan 11 04:06:59 * haeffb cannot switch to Verizon or AT&T or Tmobile
Jan 11 04:07:10 <CTLAdvance> bah, get a pre 2, do the comboard swap
Jan 11 04:07:15 <CTLAdvance> working great for now
Jan 11 04:07:17 <haeffb> US Cellular or Sprint or local GSM carrier are my options.
Jan 11 04:07:21 <CTLAdvance> unless you actually use any apps
Jan 11 04:07:32 <CTLAdvance> I cant get into my profile that has my apps
Jan 11 04:07:40 <JenP> I just finally finished paying my verizon contract break fee....I'm not going back...NEVER
Jan 11 04:07:41 <CTLAdvance> im locked out now on multiple versions of webos
Jan 11 04:07:42 <funkatron> I'm on AT&T, so it kinda makes sense for me
Jan 11 04:08:01 <CTLAdvance> no come to sprint, they should have wp7 soon if not a new webOS device
Jan 11 04:08:03 <CTLAdvance> :D
Jan 11 04:08:13 <CTLAdvance> I hope we get a 4.3" slab
Jan 11 04:08:14 <haeffb> I can use the unlocked UMTS phones on local carrier
Jan 11 04:08:23 <CTLAdvance> or something like a dell venue pro
Jan 11 04:08:26 <CTLAdvance> a pre hd
Jan 11 04:08:32 <haeffb> I'd love to have the Pre 2 on Sprint.
Jan 11 04:08:38 <CTLAdvance> then make your own
Jan 11 04:08:44 <halfhalo> I don't have a local carrier
Jan 11 04:08:50 <CTLAdvance> its really a nice device, I wouldnt ever waste an upgrade on it
Jan 11 04:09:25 <haeffb> oil - you're getting closer
Jan 11 04:09:38 <CTLAdvance> Screen is just to small, cant do work effectively
Jan 11 04:10:03 * haeffb has a laptop to do work effectively
Jan 11 04:10:22 <CTLAdvance> same here, but ive started using work applications now that I have the pre
Jan 11 04:10:22 <CTLAdvance> pre 2
Jan 11 04:10:40 <CTLAdvance> works great, just need to zoom in more for my fat fingers to hit certain things
Jan 11 04:10:43 <CTLAdvance> :D
Jan 11 04:11:11 * haeffb doesn't want an evo or epic sized phone in my pocket
Jan 11 04:11:26 <CTLAdvance> lol then they have dumb phones for you
Jan 11 04:11:38 <haeffb> pre is prefect
Jan 11 04:11:45 <CTLAdvance> they really need to have multiple form factors
Jan 11 04:11:55 <haeffb> oil - your team was stopped short of the goal line
Jan 11 04:11:57 <haeffb> sorry.
Jan 11 04:12:05 <halfhalo> Hehehe
Jan 11 04:12:44 <CTLAdvance> is there monday night football on?
Jan 11 04:13:05 <haeffb> BCS champ game
Jan 11 04:13:16 <haeffb> oil's Oregon Ducks vs Auburn Tigers
Jan 11 04:13:43 <haeffb> http://www.cvalley.net/ <-- local carrier that prevents AT&T from providing service here
Jan 11 04:13:44 <CTLAdvance> ah I see
Jan 11 04:17:47 <CTLAdvance> anyone here use webview before
Jan 11 04:18:53 <mugen-> CTLAdvance: hey, i needed to ask you... do wp7 devices support css3 (or 3d transforms)?
Jan 11 04:19:03 <CTLAdvance> not yet
Jan 11 04:19:22 <CTLAdvance> They are bringing IE9's codebase to the platform sometime this year
Jan 11 04:19:28 <mugen-> so iphone is the only dev right now
Jan 11 04:19:38 <CTLAdvance> now
Jan 11 04:19:48 <mugen-> ...yea
Jan 11 04:19:48 <CTLAdvance> silverlight has its own 3d transform type stuff
Jan 11 04:19:56 <mugen-> eff silverlight
Jan 11 04:20:00 <CTLAdvance> eff you
Jan 11 04:20:01 <CTLAdvance> ...
Jan 11 04:20:02 <mugen-> lol
Jan 11 04:20:09 <mugen-> you like it?
Jan 11 04:20:13 <mugen-> it's just a msoft flash
Jan 11 04:20:28 <CTLAdvance> Yes, but the developer tools are bullet proof
Jan 11 04:20:33 <mugen-> ...
Jan 11 04:20:34 <mugen-> i know
Jan 11 04:20:36 <mugen-> ugh
Jan 11 04:20:38 <CTLAdvance> Thats what makes it really nice
Jan 11 04:21:03 <mugen-> i've been missing studio 2010 like nobody's business recently
Jan 11 04:21:20 <CTLAdvance> It would be nice for webOS to allow apps based on silverlight, and flash for that matter
Jan 11 04:21:29 <CTLAdvance> make some stellar stuff with both
Jan 11 04:21:49 <mugen-> i'm willing to bet it'll get air at some point
Jan 11 04:22:11 <CTLAdvance> Yeah, it just makes sense to open it up as much as possible, get more devs that way
Jan 11 04:23:10 <CTLAdvance> and the same goes for WP7, it would be nice to get HTML5 apps and flash
Jan 11 04:23:31 <mugen-> yeah
Jan 11 04:23:56 <funkatron> so
Jan 11 04:23:58 <mugen-> i can't believe vzw didn't get a wp7 yet... now iphone is getting announce. it's just bad timing
Jan 11 04:24:03 <mugen-> announded.
Jan 11 04:24:04 <funkatron> this "phnx" app
Jan 11 04:24:09 <mugen-> omfg. announced.
Jan 11 04:24:10 <mugen-> heh.
Jan 11 04:24:14 <CTLAdvance> the codebase for cdma devices wasnt ready
Jan 11 04:24:23 <CTLAdvance> no cdma wp7 devices exist in production yet
Jan 11 04:24:23 <mugen-> ah
Jan 11 04:24:24 <Tibfib> funkatron: are there any ss of it?
Jan 11 04:24:32 <CTLAdvance> I am willing to assume this or next month
Jan 11 04:24:35 <funkatron> Tibfib: I dunno what ss is
Jan 11 04:24:45 <Tibfib> screenshots
Jan 11 04:24:49 <funkatron> but wtf, you have to sign an NDA to use their beta
Jan 11 04:24:56 <CTLAdvance> Sprint is getting the HTC Touch 7 pro er what ever they call it
Jan 11 04:25:01 <mugen-> you got anything published on the wp7 market yet?
Jan 11 04:25:10 <Tibfib> funkatron: hah I asked you if you had ss of spaz like 30 minutes ago
Jan 11 04:25:11 <mugen-> sorry to jump topics.
Jan 11 04:25:12 <funkatron> and they won't let you use it if you develop an app that uses th Tiwtter API?
Jan 11 04:25:25 <funkatron> Tibfib: I sent you a link with those old ss
Jan 11 04:25:29 <funkatron> did you want new ones?
Jan 11 04:25:35 <CTLAdvance> no, I am waiting to get a freakin device
Jan 11 04:25:36 <Tibfib> no, I'm saying you knew what ss was then :)
Jan 11 04:25:44 <mugen-> I thought you had one :P
Jan 11 04:25:47 <CTLAdvance> Sprint and vzw havent launched yet
Jan 11 04:25:54 <funkatron> oh yeah!
Jan 11 04:25:57 <funkatron> anyway
Jan 11 04:25:58 <Tibfib> funkatron: Oh gosh, I didn't notice that clause
Jan 11 04:26:08 <CTLAdvance> not yet, I almost bought one today :-/
Jan 11 04:26:09 <Tibfib> Nevermind to that beta.
Jan 11 04:26:16 <funkatron> wtf, that's just so HOSTILE
Jan 11 04:26:27 <Tibfib> yeah, that's dumb
Jan 11 04:26:39 <mugen-> i feel you... i'm so irritated they botched zHD support :(
Jan 11 04:26:44 <CTLAdvance> They have a developer device program, but its really a joke
Jan 11 04:26:44 <Tibfib> Unless that app is the most amazing thing in the entire world, I refuse to use it
Jan 11 04:26:51 <Tibfib> :)
Jan 11 04:27:07 <mugen-> it's such a killer device (and i have one)
Jan 11 04:27:12 <mugen-> but no market support?! wtf.
Jan 11 04:27:21 <funkatron> what's it gonna do, scroll the timeline sideways?
Jan 11 04:27:23 <CTLAdvance> market support on what
Jan 11 04:27:27 <mugen-> zune hd
Jan 11 04:27:34 <CTLAdvance> ah yeah
Jan 11 04:27:51 <CTLAdvance> Performance on the zune hd wasnt up to par
Jan 11 04:27:56 <CTLAdvance> only 600mhz
Jan 11 04:28:03 <CTLAdvance> cant handle the onslaught
Jan 11 04:28:04 <mugen-> so? had a tegra
Jan 11 04:28:05 <Tibfib> funkatron: I have to admit, I thought the restrictions on beta testing were perfect (didn't see no develop clause). I wouldn't make people sign an nda, but give those guidlines
Jan 11 04:28:14 <mugen-> *has
Jan 11 04:28:34 <funkatron> eh, you know me, I'm all about being completely transparent
Jan 11 04:28:44 <mugen-> all the 3d apps look better than most current generation android 3d apps and on par with ipod/iphone games
Jan 11 04:28:57 <mugen-> they just cut the cord for whatever reason
Jan 11 04:29:05 <CTLAdvance> Thats why the XNA game studio won big awards last year
Jan 11 04:29:29 <mugen-> yup
Jan 11 04:29:46 <bpadalino> it makes me sad i need to pay $99 to program/putz around with the xbox 360 :(
Jan 11 04:30:01 <CTLAdvance> Because of the xbox live aspect, there will be huge money involved with WP7, I think it needs a bit more time to mature.
Jan 11 04:30:23 <CTLAdvance> once they allow real multiplayer support then it will pick up
Jan 11 04:30:48 <CTLAdvance> bpadalino - you can get it free if you know someone
Jan 11 04:30:57 <bpadalino> i know you !
Jan 11 04:31:06 <bpadalino> do i get it free?
Jan 11 04:31:10 <CTLAdvance> but really you dont even need that, thanks to homebrew stuff now
Jan 11 04:31:28 <bpadalino> you can do that stuff with the new slim ones ?
Jan 11 04:31:33 <CTLAdvance> and their emulator is bullet proof if you havent used it
Jan 11 04:31:55 <bpadalino> i got turned off by the $99 pricetag .. so i didn't pursue it further
Jan 11 04:32:15 <mugen-> ugh... all this msoft dev talk is making me want to jump back in damnit
Jan 11 04:32:33 <CTLAdvance> yeah, its funny, and they have over 20k developers registered now
Jan 11 04:32:38 <CTLAdvance> paying that
Jan 11 04:32:50 <mugen-> the tools/emulators are so nice to work with :(
Jan 11 04:32:50 <CTLAdvance> not including MS employees from what I understand
Jan 11 04:33:09 <SineOtter> Yay working out a new UI. P:
Jan 11 04:33:26 <mugen-> SineOtter: for boxee remote? :)
Jan 11 04:33:38 <SineOtter> mugen-: nah, for another app. my original first app that never went anywhere :p
Jan 11 04:33:44 <SineOtter> but I'm going to try to revive it
Jan 11 04:33:45 <CTLAdvance> we probably wouldnt even be discussing this if we had some actual life blood in the platform were on now.
Jan 11 04:33:48 <mugen-> oh? what's that?
Jan 11 04:34:01 <CTLAdvance> Feb 9th we get a transfusion?
Jan 11 04:34:05 <mugen-> CTLAdvance: oh isn't that the truth
Jan 11 04:34:12 <mugen-> yeah... lets hope so
Jan 11 04:34:31 <mugen-> if it's just webos 2.0 on the same dated hardware but in new formfactors... i'ma be pissed
Jan 11 04:34:34 <CTLAdvance> I laugh now that my HP Printer has a bigger screen then my current phone
Jan 11 04:34:43 <oil> haeffb: you know im not from or in oregon, right?
Jan 11 04:35:36 <halfhalo> A www snap
Jan 11 04:35:49 <CTLAdvance> I am wishfull that well get a 4"+ slab for sprint, aside from just a pre 2 announcement
Jan 11 04:36:12 <CTLAdvance> pre 2 on verizon announcement
Jan 11 04:36:20 <mugen-> heh
Jan 11 04:36:20 <bpadalino> lte pre2
Jan 11 04:36:23 <CTLAdvance> I am not even sure I care about a tablet
Jan 11 04:36:30 <mugen-> i don't yet either
Jan 11 04:36:33 <CTLAdvance> Pre2 is old news LTE or not :/
Jan 11 04:36:47 <mugen-> unless it really does blow the competition out of the water
Jan 11 04:36:49 <Loudergood> the Palm Post
Jan 11 04:36:51 <CTLAdvance> nice device
Jan 11 04:36:55 <CTLAdvance> FacePalm
Jan 11 04:36:57 <mugen-> Palm Pilot :P
Jan 11 04:37:14 <Loudergood> CTLAdvance: that's what they're going to call the video calling
Jan 11 04:37:20 <CTLAdvance> I hope so
Jan 11 04:37:24 <CTLAdvance> otherwise it will be
Jan 11 04:37:27 <Loudergood> it would be epic
Jan 11 04:37:43 <oil> "hp video chat"
Jan 11 04:37:47 <CTLAdvance> palm just launched the Pre2 on verizon only #LTE #EPICFAIL #FacePalm
Jan 11 04:37:55 <mugen-> hehe
Jan 11 04:38:44 <mugen-> i don't know why i laugh... that just seems like something would actually happen
Jan 11 04:38:56 <CTLAdvance> whats that
Jan 11 04:39:13 <CTLAdvance> They launch only the pre2?
Jan 11 04:39:29 <mugen-> yea
Jan 11 04:39:35 * oil hopes tablet is awesome
Jan 11 04:39:43 <mugen-> as all the "great" LTE droids are coming out
Jan 11 04:39:44 <bpadalino> lte pre2 with mhs wouldn't be too bad of a product .. i think it would be pretty decent in fact for a mid-range phone
Jan 11 04:39:49 <CTLAdvance> oil: read playbook
Jan 11 04:40:03 <bpadalino> playbook looks terrible
Jan 11 04:40:14 <mugen-> good lord yes
Jan 11 04:40:24 <CTLAdvance> The Pre 2 could never be compared to any high end phone out. I just hope they bring something much better
Jan 11 04:40:26 <SineOtter> Playbook sounded awesome but the more that comes out about it, my interest is tanking pretty hardcore
Jan 11 04:40:32 <mugen-> other than it's UI polish... i don't think it's a device i can get behinds
Jan 11 04:40:33 <mugen-> -s
Jan 11 04:40:40 <CTLAdvance> I cant
Jan 11 04:40:48 <CTLAdvance> you need a blackberry to do email and messaging etc
Jan 11 04:40:55 <mugen-> exactly
Jan 11 04:40:57 <mugen-> wtf is that
Jan 11 04:40:58 <CTLAdvance> its a companion
Jan 11 04:41:04 <bpadalino> it's the RIM foleo
Jan 11 04:41:05 <CTLAdvance> think folio tab
Jan 11 04:41:08 <CTLAdvance> yep
Jan 11 04:41:34 <CTLAdvance> however I am going to laugh if they do the same approach with the webOS tab
Jan 11 04:41:42 <bpadalino> i doubt they will
Jan 11 04:41:45 <CTLAdvance> same
Jan 11 04:41:49 <bpadalino> if anything i think they will make it complementary
Jan 11 04:42:07 <bpadalino> but i see them doing independent devices
Jan 11 04:42:08 <CTLAdvance> HP is super secretive though, they may come out with 3 phones, a tab and 8 printers
Jan 11 04:43:35 <CTLAdvance> or a tablet with an officejet built in
Jan 11 04:43:36 <CTLAdvance> a printer in the tab would be sweet
Jan 11 04:43:36 <bpadalino> they really, really need a non-phone webos pda
Jan 11 04:43:36 <CTLAdvance> mm
Jan 11 04:43:36 <haeffb> oil - you Pacific Northwest'ers all look the same to me. #isthatracist?
Jan 11 04:43:36 <halfhalo> And a projector, and light sabers!
Jan 11 04:43:36 <oil> whats with the twitter hashtags in irc?
Jan 11 04:43:36 <mugen-> lol tab with a printer built in
Jan 11 04:43:36 <oil> it makes me want to puke just looking at it
Jan 11 04:43:36 <CTLAdvance> oil #23
Jan 11 04:43:36 <mugen-> that would be pretty epic tho
Jan 11 04:43:36 <oil> i wonder if its a channel
Jan 11 04:43:36 * oil clicks
Jan 11 04:43:36 <CTLAdvance> and since its an office jet, it can save 50% vs laser
Jan 11 04:43:36 <oil> it is now
Jan 11 04:43:36 <halfhalo> Lol
Jan 11 04:43:54 <haeffb> and your Ducks are running out of time.
Jan 11 04:44:12 <halfhalo> Dundundun....
Jan 11 04:46:11 <CTLAdvance> or maybe feb 9th well get a VZw pre 2, and 12 printers
Jan 11 04:46:28 <CTLAdvance> 4 of which will be tablet printers like the new photosmart w/android tab
Jan 11 04:46:45 <Loudergood> hilarious if verizons big announcement tomorrow is the pre2
Jan 11 04:46:53 <CTLAdvance> was thinking that
Jan 11 04:47:06 <Loudergood> all the mac fan sites would go apeshit
Jan 11 04:47:07 <CTLAdvance> and someone walks out dressed as jobs
Jan 11 04:47:45 <Loudergood> phil mckinney
Jan 11 04:47:59 <Loudergood> he seems to have the right attitude to pull off a stunt like that
Jan 11 04:48:19 <CTLAdvance> actually he already dresses like jobs just add a blazer
Jan 11 04:49:05 <CTLAdvance> anyone familiar with webview?
Jan 11 04:49:56 * haeffb looking at the Evo Shift 4G again...
Jan 11 04:50:09 <haeffb> but it's specs aren't as good as the Pre 2
Jan 11 04:50:25 <rwhitby> PMK = SJ + blazer.  Classic.
Jan 11 04:51:04 <rwhitby> need to add a red beard too
Jan 11 04:51:22 <CTLAdvance> and I think a few clothing sizes
Jan 11 04:51:54 <rick-home> yeah  Jobs is that "I'm not quite dead, but I would be if I ate anything" kind of skinny.
Jan 11 04:52:07 <rick-home> the "Who? Me?  Sick?  kind of skinny
Jan 11 04:52:56 <CTLAdvance> Cancer wut? Kind of sick... err skinny?
Jan 11 04:54:10 <CTLAdvance> I cant wait to see them market the iCure, needs to be given via itunes
Jan 11 04:54:11 <halfhalo> He has new apple designed organs though!
Jan 11 04:54:33 <CTLAdvance> ivPod
Jan 11 04:54:51 <haeffb> uhoh. oil's ducks recover an Auburn fumble!
Jan 11 04:55:15 <CTLAdvance> haeffb - quick put oil all over the playing field
Jan 11 04:55:26 <halfhalo> Iliver
Jan 11 04:55:36 <CTLAdvance> iLiver?
Jan 11 04:55:41 <halfhalo> Yes
Jan 11 04:55:46 <halfhalo> Stupid iPad
Jan 11 04:55:50 <oil> :/
Jan 11 04:55:50 <haeffb> iDucks !
Jan 11 04:55:52 <CTLAdvance> lol
Jan 11 04:56:07 <CTLAdvance> iOrgan series organs
Jan 11 04:56:14 <CTLAdvance> installed via iOrganInstaller
Jan 11 04:56:25 <CTLAdvance> or carry them with you in your iOrganPod
Jan 11 04:56:42 <CTLAdvance> cancer treatment can be brought mobile via ivPod
Jan 11 04:56:49 <halfhalo> With the wifis and the bgs
Jan 11 04:56:55 <CTLAdvance> yes
Jan 11 04:57:23 <CTLAdvance> then your drm tweaks out and your iOrgan fails
Jan 11 04:57:37 <CTLAdvance> you die and it resets and starts working again
Jan 11 04:57:46 <haeffb> doh! incomplete! 4th & 5
Jan 11 04:57:56 <CTLAdvance> heh iDucks
Jan 11 04:58:33 <haeffb> woo! 1st & 10 from the 11
Jan 11 04:59:42 <mugen-> k... so why do ubuntu 10.10 discs come in at 20mB over 700MB?
Jan 11 04:59:54 <mugen-> wtf is that
Jan 11 04:59:54 <CTLAdvance> Do we have a patch to remember passwords?
Jan 11 05:00:00 <halfhalo> To make you feel special
Jan 11 05:00:02 <CTLAdvance> You need a dvd now?
Jan 11 05:00:22 <CTLAdvance> patch for the browser to remember passwords
Jan 11 05:02:10 <haeffb> iTouchdown!!!
Jan 11 05:02:32 <haeffb> now have to go for 2 freethrows.
Jan 11 05:02:39 <halfhalo> itwo
Jan 11 05:02:53 <halfhalo> Td
Jan 11 05:02:53 <haeffb> iTiedGame!
Jan 11 05:02:55 <CTLAdvance> izzzzzzzzzzz
Jan 11 05:04:53 <mugen-> any reason why a file would exist  20MB more on a journaled hfs and on ntfs it is possible to burn on a 700MB disc?
Jan 11 05:05:26 <halfhalo> Dunno
Jan 11 05:05:28 <halfhalo> Try it
Jan 11 05:05:59 * halfhalo uses USB to install since he has no DVD driveson his t400 and netbookthinger
Jan 11 05:16:55 <haeffb> iGameOver. Sorry, oil.
Jan 11 05:17:02 <halfhalo> Lol
Jan 11 05:51:48 <mugen-> i totally just fell in love :D
Jan 11 05:51:49 <mugen-> http://goo.gl/dhcxI
Jan 11 05:51:56 <mugen-> i hope they make it
Jan 11 05:57:21 <mugen-> LOL http://goo.gl/HFmhB -- way to take a style (audi headlights) and put it on a car that doesn't suit it!
Jan 11 06:51:33 <dohtem> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hurUtMUy_t8 - pretty interesting
Jan 11 08:57:22 <mugen-> anyone here good with sounds using the Audio() constructor?
Jan 11 08:58:00 <mugen-> i'm getting a .5s delay on my event even though i'm preloading the audio
Jan 11 08:58:19 <fahhem> maybe it takes a while to load the audio?
Jan 11 08:58:35 <fahhem> what happens when you re-fire the event later from the same object?
Jan 11 08:59:17 <mugen-> same
Jan 11 08:59:30 <mugen-> it's a tiny audio file tho
Jan 11 08:59:57 <mugen-> maybe 12k
Jan 11 09:00:23 <fahhem> what do you do on later re-fires? in terms of javascript
Jan 11 09:01:39 <mugen-> well first i was instantiating the audio object in setup and then mySnd.play() in my event handler
Jan 11 09:01:52 <mugen-> but that wouldn't fire more than once during the course of the app
Jan 11 09:02:11 <mugen-> so now the object is instantiated everytime the event handler is called
Jan 11 09:02:35 <mugen-> unless i missed something with the initial way i did it... i couldn't get it to repeat
Jan 11 09:02:48 <mugen-> (ie: play the sound over and over again)
Jan 11 09:03:11 <mugen-> not to mention the lag was still present when i instantiated the object at .setup time
Jan 11 09:03:23 <fahhem> maybe you need to set the position to 0?
Jan 11 09:03:30 <fahhem> to have it play from the beginning?
Jan 11 09:04:14 <fahhem> sorry, nobody else is responding so i'm just throwing some ideas out
Jan 11 09:04:59 <mugen-> yeah... i dunno. i would need the mediaextension library support to catch finished playing events
Jan 11 09:05:10 <mugen-> it's all good... i appreciate it
Jan 11 09:05:26 <fahhem> why do you need to know when the event is finished?
Jan 11 09:05:44 <fahhem> you could just set it to 0 when you want to do .play() anyway?
Jan 11 09:06:00 <mugen-> dur
Jan 11 09:06:18 <mugen-> it's late...
Jan 11 09:06:21 * mugen- tries that
Jan 11 09:06:41 <fahhem> i don't even know if a sound object has a settable position
Jan 11 09:08:30 <mugen-> i thought i saw it somewhere earlier
Jan 11 09:08:33 <mugen-> just rehecking
Jan 11 09:44:21 <fahhem> so how'd it work?
Jan 11 13:54:02 <raghuk> morning guys
Jan 11 13:54:59 <hotdp> hi
Jan 11 13:55:41 <raghuk> i want to go for an hybrid app ... anyone know where can i find a sample working app?
Jan 11 14:04:46 <rwhitby> raghuk: wIRC
Jan 11 14:05:55 <raghuk> rwhitby: i didn't get u? where can i find one?
Jan 11 14:07:18 <rwhitby> wIRC is such an app
Jan 11 14:07:25 <rwhitby> git.webos-internals.org
Jan 11 14:08:35 <raghuk> rwhitby: ooh ...
Jan 11 14:09:27 <raghuk> rwhitby: can i donwload scorce code of that?
Jan 11 14:09:45 <raghuk> *download
Jan 11 14:10:54 <rwhitby> git.webos-internals.org
Jan 11 14:11:35 <raghuk> rwhitby: i c many apps listed
Jan 11 14:23:13 <raghuk> rwhitby: thanks ... how can i download these apps?
Jan 11 14:24:29 <raghuk> rwhitby: or can u point me to any simple hybrid app that can be downloaded?
Jan 11 14:25:43 <rwhitby> raghuk: git.webos-internals.org is the git repository site, and wIRC is the app.  The rest you should be able to work out for yourself with some research on google.
Jan 11 14:25:53 * rwhitby bbt
Jan 11 14:29:54 <raghuk> rwhitby: i did ... git clone http://git.webos-internals.org/applications/wIRC.git .. but it's failing ...
Jan 11 14:31:23 <rwhitby> that's because that's not the URL.  The clone URL is listed on http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/wIRC.git;a=summary
Jan 11 14:32:30 <raghuk> rwhitby: oops .. thank u
Jan 11 16:10:16 <CTLAdvance|2> I love it, engadgets live blog for verizon is sponsored by sprint
Jan 11 16:20:55 <haeffb_pre> bleh. our organization uses Lotus Notes ans will support mobile sync with BB, iOS and Android. to cover "95% of the market"
Jan 11 16:23:39 <hotdp> haeffb but its true don't you think?
Jan 11 16:27:44 <haeffb_pre> true, yes, but rather unhelpful for my needs...
Jan 11 16:28:02 <haeffb_pre> unless I switch to android
Jan 11 16:34:23 <hotdp> yer :(
Jan 11 16:34:31 <hotdp> sad but true as i normally say
Jan 11 16:41:45 <destinal> haeffb_pre: or you could write support for webos and sell it :)
Jan 11 16:42:45 <haeffb_pre> Commontime mNotes already does that
Jan 11 16:53:52 <maik> wow, att stock is falling hard
Jan 11 16:54:01 <hotdp> ?
Jan 11 16:54:15 <maik> iphone announced on vzw
Jan 11 16:55:08 <hotdp> i see
Jan 11 16:55:12 <hotdp> and you want one?
Jan 11 16:55:32 <haeffb_pre> nope
Jan 11 16:55:41 <haeffb_pre> want a pre 2
Jan 11 16:55:48 <haeffb_pre> on Sprint
Jan 11 16:55:51 <hotdp> haeffb_pre you have one?
Jan 11 16:55:53 <hotdp> ;)
Jan 11 16:56:55 <maik> no, i'm over the iPhone
Jan 11 16:57:05 <maik> funnily enough, VZW's stock has fallen furthest
Jan 11 16:57:10 <maik> http://finance.yahoo.com/q/cq?s=VZ,AAPL,ATT&d=e
Jan 11 16:58:07 <Loudergood> I'm sure they're going to lose a fair amount on the device subsidy at first, plus I bet it was pretty loaded with speculators after the invitations went out
Jan 11 17:00:19 <CTLAdvance> The sad thing is this is a game changer
Jan 11 17:00:26 <CTLAdvance> this means they will prob get all new iphones
Jan 11 17:00:36 <CTLAdvance> and people will be less likely to use webOS
Jan 11 17:00:40 <CTLAdvance> on big red
Jan 11 17:03:50 <Loudergood> not so sure about that
Jan 11 17:08:24 <mugen-> CTLAdvance: yes... you're absolutely right
Jan 11 17:08:45 <mugen-> the iphone flux is going to be in full effect as HP releases new devices
Jan 11 17:09:35 <CTLAdvance> Ok then, because now you have an iphone and a sea of android devices. Nothing on webOS really stands out yet, especially when both other platforms have over 300k apps, which if 10% of them are ok, thats still 30,000
Jan 11 17:09:48 <mugen-> yup
Jan 11 17:10:02 <Rick_work> yes, but if hp announces a pad that competes effectively with Motorola's honecomb pad that's going to be WAY out ...  then they could still win.
Jan 11 17:10:16 <CTLAdvance> They need to launch some killer hardware, pre2 is nothing compared to these devices
Jan 11 17:10:16 <mugen-> unless HP really has some killer devices... and atleast one or two features that trump an iphone... it's dead in the water
Jan 11 17:10:19 <CTLAdvance> yep
Jan 11 17:11:08 <mugen-> Rick_work: they have to have a mobile device too... a single tablet in a world where ipad is king and there's a swamp of android devices, it won't hold
Jan 11 17:11:18 <Rick_work> true enough.
Jan 11 17:11:21 <Loudergood> LTE will be one of them...if those crazy verizon webpage stalkers are correct
Jan 11 17:11:48 <mugen-> if HP was smart and has LTE ready devices... that just might be their swan song
Jan 11 17:11:55 <Rick_work> a non-slider iphone form factor mini-tab phone, plus a real double camera tab
Jan 11 17:13:41 <Rick_work> plus a Pixi+  Plus the pre2 slider...
Jan 11 17:13:48 <Rick_work> ALL OF THEM WITH uSD SLOTS
Jan 11 17:13:56 <mugen-> hehe
Jan 11 17:14:10 <mugen-> i'm kinda excited for an iphone now
Jan 11 17:14:16 * mugen- ducks and covers
Jan 11 17:14:25 <maik> shun the nonbeliever!
Jan 11 17:14:27 <maik> shuuuuun
Jan 11 17:14:28 <mugen-> lol
Jan 11 17:14:46 <mugen-> don't get me wrong, i'm excited as HELL to know what HPs bringing...
Jan 11 17:15:02 <mugen-> but i'm glad i'll be able to wipe a smirk off those damned AT&T customers smug ass faces
Jan 11 17:15:12 <mugen-> "we got the iphone... bla bla bla"
Jan 11 17:15:22 <mugen-> "your network is garbage..."
Jan 11 17:15:29 <mugen-> "...but we got the iphone... bla bla bla"
Jan 11 17:15:35 <Loudergood> haha, til they start hassling you about the voice and data at the same time thing, they're already warming up
Jan 11 17:15:48 <mugen-> i could care less
Jan 11 17:15:59 <mugen-> i'll actually be able to MAKE and KEEP a phone call going :P
Jan 11 17:16:13 <torchie> I dunno i'm on sprint and I find myself wanting that voice and data simultaneously deal
Jan 11 17:16:26 <torchie> really how bad is at&t
Jan 11 17:16:31 <mugen-> dude
Jan 11 17:16:32 <mugen-> bad
Jan 11 17:16:37 <mugen-> atleast here in phoenix
Jan 11 17:16:48 <mugen-> and from what i've been told by friends etc, same with big cities
Jan 11 17:16:53 <mugen-> downtown chi-town and ny
Jan 11 17:17:37 <mugen-> i'm guessing unless you're in a city with an AT&T HQ or Apple HQ, you won't get stellar network performace
Jan 11 17:17:41 <mugen-> *performance
Jan 11 17:18:43 <Loudergood> here it's fine, but then I'm near a highway next to the middle of nowhere, overloaded towers are pretty much impossible
Jan 11 17:21:17 <mugen-> alright, so back to webos... who's got experience with playing sounds in webos?
Jan 11 17:21:54 <mugen-> i get a horrible .5s lag after the event handler is called
Jan 11 17:22:44 <mugen-> i use preload... the audio file is tiny... it's a wav... etc
Jan 11 17:30:32 <Rick_work> yep
Jan 11 17:30:41 <Rick_work> sounds on webos pre 2.0 suck dead bunnies
Jan 11 17:30:50 * halfhalo is poking git with a sharp stick
Jan 11 17:32:23 <torchie> is that playing sounds in mojo?
Jan 11 17:33:17 <Rick_work> yes.
Jan 11 17:36:34 <torchie> is it possible to use SDL_mixer with PDK to play sounds?
Jan 11 17:36:46 <torchie> or write a complaint to palm
Jan 11 17:37:41 <mugen-> hmmmm.....
Jan 11 17:37:43 <mugen-> Launch date for Verizon's iPhone 4 is Feb. 10, Verizon's website says http://bit.ly/gA4gml
Jan 11 17:37:56 <mugen-> I wonder why Feb 10th was a good idea? :P
Jan 11 17:39:40 <CTLAdvance> overshadow webos?
Jan 11 17:39:50 <mugen-> nuh uh
Jan 11 17:40:05 <CTLAdvance> can i smell launch day pre?
Jan 11 17:40:34 <mugen-> grrr... watch wp7 devices to hit vzw in the same week
Jan 11 17:40:39 <mugen-> wouldn't that be splendid
Jan 11 17:41:06 <torchie> it's hard to find a good date to launch a webos product
Jan 11 17:41:21 <mugen-> no it isn't
Jan 11 17:41:28 <CTLAdvance> i see webos thriving in the feature phone market space if they only bring the pre 2/pixi 2
Jan 11 17:41:31 <torchie> well if they blitz harder
Jan 11 17:41:50 <mugen-> CTLAdvance: huh?
Jan 11 17:41:57 <mugen-> you serious?
Jan 11 17:41:59 <destinal> CTLAdvance: nah, HP is riding on an existing event, 2/9 was specifically to take advantage of people being in town for 2/10
Jan 11 17:42:00 <CTLAdvance> yep
Jan 11 17:42:08 <torchie> what's 2/10?
Jan 11 17:42:35 <mugen-> pre2 is old news tho
Jan 11 17:43:00 <CTLAdvance> they need to think atrix big less the dock crap
Jan 11 17:43:04 <CTLAdvance> nexus 2 big
Jan 11 17:43:10 <CTLAdvance> 4.3 big
Jan 11 17:43:13 <mugen-> yes
Jan 11 17:43:15 <torchie> ugh
Jan 11 17:43:15 <mugen-> yes they do
Jan 11 17:43:23 <torchie> dude
Jan 11 17:43:24 <CTLAdvance> venue pro big
Jan 11 17:43:27 <mugen-> wtf is with that dock crap anyways
Jan 11 17:43:32 <torchie> why 4.3 when you can go with 5 inch
Jan 11 17:43:36 <mugen-> it's too complicated for a regular joe to understand
Jan 11 17:43:39 <torchie> but then why 5 inch when you can get 6 inch
Jan 11 17:43:42 <CTLAdvance> 5 would be fine by me
Jan 11 17:43:45 <destinal> mugen-: IMO pre2 will be a flash in the pan, not notable for much other than direct unlocked sales and being given to devs.   verizon's going to launch pre2 soon but does anyone think they'll be promoting it much given a $100 oncontract iphone?
Jan 11 17:43:48 <torchie> but why 6 inch when you can have
Jan 11 17:43:48 <mugen-> so that leaves power users... and as a power user i would never touch it
Jan 11 17:43:49 <torchie> a 7
Jan 11 17:43:50 <torchie> inch
Jan 11 17:43:51 <torchie> phone
Jan 11 17:43:53 <torchie> because bigger
Jan 11 17:43:55 <torchie> is always better
Jan 11 17:44:12 <torchie> then again why 7 when you can have 8
Jan 11 17:44:19 <CTLAdvance> destinal, thats why i said feature phone space
Jan 11 17:44:37 <CTLAdvance> 8 i cant hold one handed
Jan 11 17:44:41 <mugen-> destinal: oh i'm with you... the only reason verizon is going to sell it is because they'll have the inventory to get rid of
Jan 11 17:44:41 <CTLAdvance> 5-6 i can
Jan 11 17:44:46 <CTLAdvance> maybe 7
Jan 11 17:45:05 <torchie> they could rock the feature phone world hard
Jan 11 17:45:08 <CTLAdvance> but really
Jan 11 17:45:12 <gkatsev> 4.3" is good for a phone, anything above it starts to get bulky. Not that you can't talk with a Galaxy Tab
Jan 11 17:45:18 <torchie> it's gonna be a bit hard to push a "webOS" device that doesn't require a data plan though
Jan 11 17:45:30 <torchie> I dunno man 4.3 is so small
Jan 11 17:45:35 <CTLAdvance> why does a phone need to go to your head when you can have a tablet phone with bluetooth
Jan 11 17:45:37 <destinal> mugen-: from rumors I've heard pre2 was supposed to be released a lot earlier but the HP acquisition may have caused delays
Jan 11 17:45:38 <mugen-> that's what she said
Jan 11 17:45:40 <torchie> acer's coming out with a 4.8 and we just absolutely have to beat that right
Jan 11 17:45:44 <destinal> it really needed to be released earlier
Jan 11 17:45:49 <mugen-> destinal: heh... yup
Jan 11 17:46:24 <CTLAdvance> brb to continue this...
Jan 11 17:46:27 * CTLAdvance noms
Jan 11 17:46:33 <mugen-> i need coffee
Jan 11 17:46:58 <mugen-> translate: the gf needs to go get me coffee
Jan 11 17:47:01 <mugen-> brb
Jan 11 17:50:45 <destinal> How funny.  I'll actually be in San Francisco February 9th but I have training that day so I won't be checking out any events.
Jan 11 18:03:26 <oilsworkn> :p
Jan 11 18:03:38 <halfhalo> no
Jan 11 18:05:09 <oilsworkn> you dont get a choice
Jan 11 18:10:18 <halfhalo> YOU don't get a choice!
Jan 11 18:11:59 <mugen-> god damnit... what did you break now, oil?
Jan 11 18:16:08 <oilsworkn> mugen-: i broke nothing
Jan 11 18:16:10 <oilsworkn> ever
Jan 11 18:16:26 <halfhalo> lulz
Jan 11 18:16:29 <mugen-> that's a likely story
Jan 11 18:16:37 <mugen-> :D
Jan 11 18:17:54 <nyceane> =D
Jan 11 18:21:54 <oilsworkn> its likely because its true
Jan 11 18:22:10 <hotdp> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-12152517 NOT GOOD
Jan 11 18:25:42 <mugen-> hotdp: i'd rather have that... than this - http://goo.gl/2fdiz
Jan 11 18:26:54 <destinal> oilsworkn: why does everyone hassle you about breaking things?  PuffTheMagic is far more likely to have broken something..  :P
Jan 11 18:27:21 <CTLAdvance> back
Jan 11 18:28:08 * CTLAdvance lols at those who have a 1gb allowance for their devices
Jan 11 18:29:04 * ShadeS lols at people who can't code effeciently enough to where 1gb is overkill ;)
Jan 11 18:29:42 <destinal> ShadeS: 1gb isn't overkill if you're downloading more than 1gig worth of actual downloadable files in that time :)
Jan 11 18:30:24 <destinal> I doubt application data itself will go anywhere near 1gb for most folks
Jan 11 18:31:08 <ShadeS> http://www.theprodukkt.com/kkrieger this entire FPS is only 96kb
Jan 11 18:31:19 <ShadeS> learn2code ;)
Jan 11 18:32:34 <destinal> ShadeS: sure, I'll tell my movies and ubuntu iso's to learn to code :)
Jan 11 18:33:33 <destinal> ShadeS: very impressive re that FPS though, that doesn't seem possible
Jan 11 18:33:41 <nyceane> 1gb... most of my programs are under 1MB -_
Jan 11 18:33:47 <ShadeS> ^^^
Jan 11 18:34:02 <ShadeS> destinal: it uses ridiculous math to generate the textures
Jan 11 18:34:10 <ShadeS> all the textures fit in that 96kb code
Jan 11 18:34:20 <ShadeS> sure the AI is ridiculously stupid but what can you expect for 96k
Jan 11 18:36:05 <destinal> ShadeS: yeah I think in many cases people take advantage of ridiculous bandwidth and processor power we have today even on phones, and optimize to minimize developer time.   Still, I use my 1gig on massive downloads that have nothing to do with apps I run on my device, so there's not much better coding can fix there
Jan 11 18:36:23 <ShadeS> 'minimize' developer time?
Jan 11 18:36:36 <destinal> err minimize development time
Jan 11 18:36:50 <ShadeS> the only thing the bandwidth and power of today allows is for more quick sh*tty code to be written and fixed, and written and fixed, until it finally (semi)-works
Jan 11 18:37:07 <ShadeS> instead of like, planning everything out, and making SURE it works before you click compile, because otherwise you'll be waiting several hours to do it again
Jan 11 18:37:50 <destinal> yeah, brute force does not an elegant solution make, we agree on that.   look at how many layers of abstractions are at work in webos for that matter
Jan 11 18:38:02 <ShadeS> I"m actually not familiar
Jan 11 18:38:05 <ShadeS> I haven't been coding in a while
Jan 11 18:38:10 <ShadeS> been doing mostly sysops stuff
Jan 11 18:38:21 <ShadeS> could you elaborate?
Jan 11 18:39:17 <destinal> ShadeS: apps are written in html, css, javascript.   services were written in Java but that's migrating to pure c and node.js at least
Jan 11 18:39:44 <destinal> it's all optimized around making development very easy, which they succeeded at, though
Jan 11 18:39:48 <ShadeS> yay, I like c
Jan 11 18:39:52 <ShadeS> java is more meh...
Jan 11 18:40:00 <ShadeS> and I can html, but I barely bareyl touched on css
Jan 11 18:40:14 <ShadeS> what's a good hello world application to check out?
Jan 11 18:40:20 <ShadeS> s/appliction/tutorial
Jan 11 18:40:31 <destinal> ShadeS: palm's SDK and PDK are great places to start
Jan 11 18:41:02 <ShadeS> it seems like an awful lot to get something basic running
Jan 11 18:41:10 <ShadeS> there's several lines of code for anything involving a GUI frontend.. 8 /
Jan 11 18:42:23 <destinal> ShadeS: well, a new framework coming out early this year called Enyo that'll make it a lot simpler supposedly
Jan 11 18:42:55 <destinal> ShadeS: what kinds of stuff do you want to get running?
Jan 11 18:43:52 <ShadeS> well
Jan 11 18:43:57 <ShadeS> it's a nice 'side' project
Jan 11 18:44:03 <ShadeS> because it's very 'featureful'
Jan 11 18:44:14 <ShadeS> but I hvae absolutely NO idea if it's even possible to implement due to latency
Jan 11 18:44:34 <ShadeS> destinal: are you familiar with a company Korg and one of their products called a kaossilator?
Jan 11 18:44:42 <ShadeS> I'm trying to put a software version of that on the pre
Jan 11 18:45:17 <destinal> ShadeS: wow, looks cool
Jan 11 18:45:30 <ShadeS> not only does it LOOK cool, it sounds cool and high quality
Jan 11 18:45:41 <ShadeS> it looks like a 20$ toy maybe, but it's 150-250$s retail
Jan 11 18:45:47 <ShadeS> it has high quality synth sounds
Jan 11 18:46:51 <ShadeS> i'd like to follow some tutorials that would help me implement that
Jan 11 18:50:39 <mugen-> shades, i <3 my koasPro :P what are you trying to accomplish with webOS tho?
Jan 11 18:51:19 <ShadeS> kaossilator app
Jan 11 18:51:43 <destinal> ShadeS: the simplest solution but one that does not have a webos look and feel would be to make it as a standalone native application with SDL
Jan 11 18:51:47 <destinal> and perhaps opengl-es
Jan 11 18:52:12 <destinal> this would also be cross platform
Jan 11 18:52:16 <funkatron> you'd have to do that as a PDK app, pretty certain
Jan 11 18:52:22 <funkatron> the kaoss stuff is super fun
Jan 11 18:52:42 <mugen-> it'll most definitely have to be pdk
Jan 11 18:53:21 <destinal> ShadeS: another way to go would be do make it what Palm calls a Hybrid PDK app where you use a webos / mojo style GUI for some of the user interface components and embed a graphical plugin to do the dynamic screen stuff and sound
Jan 11 18:53:40 <funkatron> I'd worry about latency with that approach
Jan 11 18:53:43 <funkatron> but, maybe
Jan 11 18:53:45 <mugen-> i'm just curious what your end goal is... i'm trying to wrap my head around integrating my pre and my koas pad
Jan 11 18:54:40 <destinal> mugen-: he's talking about using a smartphone as a kaossilator clone basically
Jan 11 18:54:43 <mugen-> it's kinda like putting edo memory in an i7 system
Jan 11 18:56:06 <mugen-> not integrating but duplicating... my bad
Jan 11 18:57:27 <funkatron> that would be neat
Jan 11 18:57:37 <funkatron> there's a lot of cool music apps on iOS
Jan 11 18:57:44 <destinal> mugen-: you can do a good software synthesizer in Linux I imagine, then put a cool loop engine and GUI etc on it
Jan 11 18:58:08 <mugen-> oh for sure
Jan 11 18:58:34 <mugen-> definitely something that's not been tapped in webOS... and a worthwhile investment, especially if a tablet is coming
Jan 11 19:02:04 <ShadeS> end goal is to get better at programming and have a possible instrument to feed into my mixer
Jan 11 19:02:30 <ShadeS> what will i need to look up to make that happen?
Jan 11 19:03:00 <mugen-> download the SDK/PDK and dive in
Jan 11 19:03:12 <mugen-> all that you need is there and in the webos-internals wiki
Jan 11 19:03:47 <ShadeS> link to the wiki?
Jan 11 19:03:52 <mugen-> plus that and the brains here and in #webos-internals i'm sure you have enough to get started
Jan 11 19:03:55 <ShadeS> I haven't coded much in a while and it was mostly cli
Jan 11 19:03:59 <ShadeS> i bareoly touched gui with some java
Jan 11 19:04:14 <mugen-> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Main_Page
Jan 11 19:04:25 <ShadeS> I don't get to program as much anymore
Jan 11 19:04:56 <ShadeS> whenever I come home my girlfriend gives me nasty looks if I sit down at the computer 8 /
Jan 11 19:05:31 <destinal> ShadeS: lame.
Jan 11 19:05:40 <mugen-> :p
Jan 11 19:06:04 <CTLAdvance> I think they like something called
Jan 11 19:06:06 <CTLAdvance> uh
Jan 11 19:06:08 <CTLAdvance> what is it
Jan 11 19:06:10 <CTLAdvance> attention?
Jan 11 19:06:21 <CTLAdvance> They want you to useyour fingers on her keyboard...
Jan 11 19:06:47 <mugen-> really? your woman still wants that CTL? :P
Jan 11 19:06:58 <mugen-> mine just wants me around so she can nag
Jan 11 19:07:30 <destinal> CTLAdvance: my GF and I often both do stuff on computers in the same room.  I'm lucky I guess..
Jan 11 19:07:46 <mugen-> yes you are destinal
Jan 11 19:07:50 <dohtem> lol
Jan 11 19:08:28 <mugen-> it's freaking cold in phoenix... it needs to get warm again
Jan 11 19:08:33 <destinal> ShadeS: this kaossilator thing looks like a really cool toy
Jan 11 19:08:46 * destinal is watching videos on youtube
Jan 11 19:08:57 * halfhalo is coding.  for once
Jan 11 19:09:01 <CTLAdvance> destinal
Jan 11 19:09:06 <CTLAdvance> I guess your really lucky
Jan 11 19:09:24 <CTLAdvance> my wife has some work to do now and then...
Jan 11 19:09:39 <CTLAdvance> I guess if I moved into the same room to do work maybe id get lucky
Jan 11 19:09:46 <CTLAdvance> we are redefining the word lucky here
Jan 11 19:09:48 <CTLAdvance> ...
Jan 11 19:09:54 <CTLAdvance> //****************************************************************************************************************
Jan 11 19:09:57 <destinal> :)
Jan 11 19:10:05 <CTLAdvance> lucky as in able to code
Jan 11 19:10:10 <mugen-> LOL
Jan 11 19:10:25 <mugen-> ...i was thinking the same thing
Jan 11 19:10:37 <mugen-> lucky lost it's meaning after the honeymoon period
Jan 11 19:10:55 <mugen-> lucky is going out to hang out with my mates without getting the third degree
Jan 11 19:11:04 <destinal> CTLAdvance: she uses IRC though we hang out on different networks and way different areas of interest,  and she plays various computer games (no MMORPG's thank the gods)
Jan 11 19:11:54 <dohtem> destinal hit the gf jackpot
Jan 11 19:11:59 <CTLAdvance> lucky is having to sleep on the couch.... work central.
Jan 11 19:12:10 <mugen-> hell yes
Jan 11 19:12:24 <mugen-> (plus i don't get kicked in the middle of the night)
Jan 11 19:12:27 <mugen-> or elbowed
Jan 11 19:12:28 <CTLAdvance> lol
Jan 11 19:12:34 <CTLAdvance> or snuggled to death
Jan 11 19:12:39 <mugen-> ugh
Jan 11 19:12:45 <mugen-> SPACE WOMAN... i NEED SPACE!
Jan 11 19:12:48 <CTLAdvance> lol
Jan 11 19:12:59 <CTLAdvance> simple solution mugen-
Jan 11 19:13:02 <CTLAdvance> have children
Jan 11 19:13:10 <dohtem> or hog tie her?
Jan 11 19:13:11 <mugen-> dear god no
Jan 11 19:13:17 <mugen-> i'm with dohtem
Jan 11 19:13:26 * mugen- is on board
Jan 11 19:13:26 <CTLAdvance> hog tie gets into a whole realm of legal issues
Jan 11 19:13:38 <mugen-> only if she gets out or to a phone
Jan 11 19:13:41 <CTLAdvance> lol
Jan 11 19:13:45 <mugen-> otherwise it's clear sailing
Jan 11 19:13:45 <dohtem> oh, dear god
Jan 11 19:14:03 <destinal> I don't really get why guys are with women who have them not do things they love like work on computers.  I mean, yeah, pay attention to your woman, take her out, spend time with her, but she shouldn't nag you or threaten if you want to go hang out with friends or hack on computers.
Jan 11 19:14:18 <halfhalo> or steal stuff
Jan 11 19:14:22 <halfhalo> wait, what?
Jan 11 19:14:47 <mugen-> destinal, she's my best friend :D you're misunderstanding entirely
Jan 11 19:14:48 <destinal> I think I'd rather be single than feel like I had no freedom at all
Jan 11 19:14:55 <destinal> mugen-: not you specifically
Jan 11 19:14:58 <mugen-> oh
Jan 11 19:15:05 <mugen-> i hear ya
Jan 11 19:15:24 <destinal> mugen-: was more thinking of ShadeS gf giving him the evil eye if he wants to write some code
Jan 11 19:17:20 <destinal> I've heard guys who talk about their women disapproving of various harmless interests or being upset with them visiting certain kinds of web sites, etc.  I don't try to control her, she doesn't try to control me.   it should be some kind of partnership instead
Jan 11 19:20:38 <ShadeS> destinal: i wouldn't call it a 'toy'
Jan 11 19:20:47 <mugen-> yeah, i agree to a point... but i think that there's aspects that my gf controls just because i need that discipline... and it's vice versa
Jan 11 19:20:56 <ShadeS> destinal: not so 'lame' considering she wants to have more sex than I do lol
Jan 11 19:21:01 <ShadeS> it just cuts into my computer time
Jan 11 19:21:24 <destinal> ShadeS: heh, well if she just likes a lot of attention that can be cool :)
Jan 11 19:21:35 <ShadeS> she's trying to get into python
Jan 11 19:23:07 <destinal> ShadeS: nice.  is she technical or have any other programming experience?  If not, there's this book I've seen really good reviews of for intro:  http://www.amazon.com/Hello-World-Computer-Programming-Beginners/dp/1933988495
Jan 11 19:23:44 <ShadeS> not really
Jan 11 19:23:57 <ShadeS> she's kind of math deficient being a female raised in the deep south
Jan 11 19:24:03 <dohtem> lmao
Jan 11 19:24:11 <ShadeS> they kind of geared them towards the kitchen and women-things
Jan 11 19:24:24 <ShadeS> she wants to learn though
Jan 11 19:24:52 <destinal> thinking of getting this book for my gf also, she started learning C a while back and gave up, I think Python will be a more practical intro
Jan 11 19:25:08 <mugen-> wow... there's some stereotype from hell
Jan 11 19:25:14 <mugen-> does she own a gunrack too? :P
Jan 11 19:25:30 <ShadeS> she knows how to shoot
Jan 11 19:25:43 <mugen-> yeah, that's not uncommon tho
Jan 11 19:26:12 <ShadeS> her family is the typical archtype of stereotypes
Jan 11 19:26:32 <ShadeS> men are drs/military personelle and the women are house makers/nurses lol
Jan 11 19:27:34 <torchie> wait a minute verizon iphone is coming feb 10?
Jan 11 19:28:00 * mugen- facepalms
Jan 11 19:28:07 <mugen-> ...torchie.
Jan 11 19:28:10 <mugen-> cmon man
Jan 11 19:28:25 <ShadeS> you mean the iFale
Jan 11 19:28:30 <mugen-> huh?
Jan 11 19:28:37 <gkatsev> ShadeS: lol
Jan 11 19:28:39 <ShadeS> I call it the iFale
Jan 11 19:28:42 <mugen-> shades, uh huh
Jan 11 19:28:46 <mugen-> why's that?
Jan 11 19:28:49 <destinal> ShadeS: do you not like locked down devices?
Jan 11 19:28:57 <ShadeS> I do not like locked down devices.
Jan 11 19:29:02 <ShadeS> I won't pay for a device I don't 'own'.
Jan 11 19:29:08 <destinal> ShadeS: same here
Jan 11 19:29:09 <torchie> oh yeah, it fails at not getting all the attention
Jan 11 19:29:12 <ShadeS> if I don't own it, I'm sure as hell not paying for it.
Jan 11 19:29:27 <ShadeS> I might use one for free, or stolen, but I sure as hell won't pay for a device that's not mine.
Jan 11 19:29:28 * mugen- rolls his eyes
Jan 11 19:29:38 <mugen-> ...stolen?
Jan 11 19:29:41 <destinal> heh
Jan 11 19:29:42 <mugen-> heh
Jan 11 19:29:48 <ShadeS> but the primary reason is because it doesn't have a physical keyboard
Jan 11 19:29:57 <torchie> physical is dead
Jan 11 19:30:01 <ShadeS> no
Jan 11 19:30:02 <ShadeS> it isn't
Jan 11 19:30:10 <ShadeS> physical keyboards let you type with out looking at the screen
Jan 11 19:30:14 <ShadeS> which is VERY important while driving
Jan 11 19:30:18 <ShadeS> so you can focus on the road
Jan 11 19:30:23 * mugen- facepalms again
Jan 11 19:30:26 <torchie> you could just not text while you drive
Jan 11 19:30:31 <ShadeS> looking down only to glance at a text as you would the speed on your spedometer
Jan 11 19:30:32 <torchie> then you can really focus on the road
Jan 11 19:30:45 <ShadeS> except I can touchtype just fine, and have for MUCH longer than I have been driving
Jan 11 19:31:02 * mugen- can guess age.
Jan 11 19:31:05 <ShadeS> typing while driving doesn't make me less focused on the roa
Jan 11 19:31:28 <ShadeS> and I'm more focused on the road while typing versus talking on the phone
Jan 11 19:31:30 * mugen- can definitely guess age.
Jan 11 19:31:55 <ShadeS> I've also been driving over a decade now
Jan 11 19:32:03 * mugen- doesn't believe that.
Jan 11 19:32:06 <ShadeS> no text related accidents
Jan 11 19:32:20 <ShadeS> I 'officially' started driving at 16 even though I was driving when I was 13 from time to time
Jan 11 19:32:24 <ShadeS> I"m 26 now
Jan 11 19:32:36 <ShadeS> I've been touch typing since the 4th grade
Jan 11 19:33:09 <ShadeS> and by the time I made it to 5th grade, which had typing classes. I finsihed my entire year's worth of assignments in the first fortnight
Jan 11 19:33:25 <dohtem> When your illusion of reality is shattered, I hope I'm not on the same road you are on.
Jan 11 19:33:32 <ShadeS> and then I told the teacher I was done, and she told me to do next weeks, and I said, "no, I'm done, with the entire years worth of assignments" she didn't believe me so I had to show her
Jan 11 19:33:40 <gkatsev> and you used words like fortnight, top of the class. Gold star.
Jan 11 19:33:40 <mugen-> dohtem, agreed.
Jan 11 19:33:42 <ShadeS> I don't pay more attention to the phone than the road
Jan 11 19:33:53 <ShadeS> I pay more attention to the road when I need to
Jan 11 19:34:14 <ShadeS> but if you're driving on a stretch of road with no cars and no worries about deer flying out then youre in the clear to type more
Jan 11 19:34:19 <gkatsev> I never pick up my phone or look at it when I get a text or a call, though, I may be interested
Jan 11 19:34:42 <ShadeS> the only time I don't is if I'm executing evasive manuvering
Jan 11 19:35:02 <ShadeS> face it, not EVERYBODY can text and type but the small portion of the population that can shouldn't be peanalized because the majority can't
Jan 11 19:35:07 <mugen-> so the only time you don't pick up your phone to text is when you're swerving to avoid an accident
Jan 11 19:35:09 <gkatsev> clearly you must be in the middle of no where
Jan 11 19:35:11 <mugen-> that makes sense :P
Jan 11 19:35:20 <gkatsev> because I am almost always executing evasive manuvers when driving
Jan 11 19:35:24 <mugen-> lol
Jan 11 19:35:25 <gkatsev> goddamn boston drivers
Jan 11 19:35:28 <mugen-> LOL
Jan 11 19:35:34 <ShadeS> mugen-: no, if i'm driving more aggressively I don't text
Jan 11 19:35:37 <ShadeS> like if I'm trying to pass or speed
Jan 11 19:35:48 <ShadeS> but if I"m keeping up with traffic or going the speed limit then I'm more inclined to look at my phone
Jan 11 19:36:02 <ShadeS> looking at y phone doesn't distract me anymore than chaning a cd or looking down at the spedometer
Jan 11 19:36:17 * mugen- is sad.
Jan 11 19:36:41 <ShadeS> and if I didn't have a physical keyboard, this would be impossible and even dangerous
Jan 11 19:36:43 <gkatsev> but it does, whether you like to admit it or not.
Jan 11 19:36:47 <ShadeS> looking down for several seconds while you're driving
Jan 11 19:37:04 <ShadeS> looking down for a tenth of a second is fine
Jan 11 19:37:09 <ShadeS> looking down for ten seconds is not
Jan 11 19:38:05 <gkatsev> splitting your attention on something that can wait 10 minutes and something that can kill you in a hundredth of a second is not fine
Jan 11 19:38:28 <ShadeS> generally I'm able to calculate what can possibly jump in my way from the last moment while driving
Jan 11 19:38:41 <ShadeS> and if I see a possibility that something could get into my way I don't look at my phone
Jan 11 19:39:08 <ShadeS> face it, the matter of fact is this: People *will* text and drive. You can *not* stop it, the only thing you *can* do is make it SAFER to do.
Jan 11 19:39:24 <gkatsev> yes, which is why I think stuff like ford sync is cool
Jan 11 19:39:28 <ShadeS> look how well that abstinence program helped teenage parents, yeah that went over real well.
Jan 11 19:39:37 <gkatsev> and speech-to-text/text-to-speech
Jan 11 19:39:38 <ShadeS> I think eletric/semi-eletric cars are garbage
Jan 11 19:39:48 <ShadeS> those you cannot fix your self and need to bring into the dealer
Jan 11 19:39:51 <ShadeS> because of proprietary software
Jan 11 19:39:53 * gkatsev is done.
Jan 11 19:40:08 <ShadeS> I've had  prius fail on me while I was on a steepwindy road
Jan 11 19:40:10 <ShadeS> that was slick
Jan 11 19:40:12 <ShadeS> I almost died
Jan 11 19:40:19 <torchie> should have put down the phone
Jan 11 19:40:20 <ShadeS> and no, I was not using my phone
Jan 11 19:40:38 <ShadeS> the car just decide it wants to shut off, kill power steering, breaks, etc, nothing was responding
Jan 11 19:40:43 <ShadeS> that's very dangerous
Jan 11 19:41:14 <mugen-> so now you drive a ford model-t because it's mechanical and reliable?
Jan 11 19:41:32 <ShadeS> no, it's just that I won't buy a newer car
Jan 11 19:41:40 <mugen-> k
Jan 11 19:41:42 <mugen-> just checking
Jan 11 19:41:50 <torchie> frequency interference due to text messaging
Jan 11 19:42:09 * mugen- is done too.
Jan 11 19:42:17 * torchie done!1
Jan 11 19:42:50 <gkatsev> I also have class in 12 minutes, so...
Jan 11 19:42:51 <ShadeS> I'm against unsafe driving, but not everyone that texts while they drive, drives unsafely
Jan 11 19:42:56 <ShadeS> even though I could say that most probably do
Jan 11 19:43:37 <funkatron> Well, I'm sure a few people can drive safely with a .3 blood alcohol content too
Jan 11 19:43:56 <funkatron> But I'd rather not test it on my roads
Jan 11 19:44:00 <torchie> class is over for me today, so I get to chiiiiiiiiiillllll
Jan 11 19:44:09 * mugen- touches his nose and points to funkatron.
Jan 11 19:44:13 <funkatron> hah
Jan 11 19:44:17 <ShadeS> what they should offer at the DMV is a Plus License
Jan 11 19:44:29 <ShadeS> where you undergo RIGEROUS testing and if you pass then you get extended driving privledges
Jan 11 19:44:37 <ShadeS> like texting while driving, higher bac, etc, etc ;)
Jan 11 19:44:51 <dohtem> You should run for public office
Jan 11 19:44:56 <ShadeS> I hate politics
Jan 11 19:45:03 <ShadeS> I'll just do what I want, riding dirty as they say ;)
Jan 11 19:45:15 <ShadeS> but saftey first
Jan 11 19:45:19 * mugen- looks down and shakes his head.
Jan 11 19:45:23 <torchie> ShadeS for president
Jan 11 19:45:27 <ShadeS> I can't be president
Jan 11 19:45:30 <ShadeS> I wasn'tborn in this country
Jan 11 19:45:31 <funkatron> word
Jan 11 19:45:35 <torchie> but I was !
Jan 11 19:45:41 <funkatron> NEITHER WAS OUR MUSLIM PRESIDENT
Jan 11 19:45:45 <dohtem> haha
Jan 11 19:45:50 <ShadeS> haha
Jan 11 19:46:09 <ShadeS> but since I moved to sf I haven't had a need to drive
Jan 11 19:46:18 <ShadeS> before when I was stuck in suburbia hell
Jan 11 19:46:25 <ShadeS> it was like 30-60 minutes in a car to whever you wanted to go
Jan 11 19:46:29 <torchie> and for my first motion I will make a law saying that all professional drivers are allowed to drive with their eyes closed and canalphones jammed in their ears
Jan 11 19:46:32 <ShadeS> of mostly sitting there on a mostly empty baren road
Jan 11 19:46:37 <torchie> and 90% tint on their windows
Jan 11 19:46:41 <torchie> maybe facing backwards
Jan 11 19:46:45 <torchie> with broken rear view mirrors
Jan 11 19:47:10 <ShadeS> oh but torchie don't you know that the 10,000 watt subwoofer is shaking the rear view mirror so much you can't see out of it anyway? ;)
Jan 11 19:47:33 <mugen-> torchie, i say blind people can drive so as long as they have a window that winds down so they can put their feeler stick out the window to find out what's coming up in front of them
Jan 11 19:47:47 <torchie> blind people can drive so long as their seeing eye dogs lead the car
Jan 11 19:47:54 <mugen-> done
Jan 11 19:48:17 <ShadeS> if people really cared about saftey there would be some sort of HUD gui that syncs with your phone so you DON"T have to take your eyes off the road
Jan 11 19:48:21 <ShadeS> and you could type into your steering wheel
Jan 11 19:48:46 <ShadeS> I hate it when a few jelous old people that don't know how to do something like text and drive or skateboard try to outlaw legal activities in public places
Jan 11 19:48:46 * mugen- is going to archive todays channel logs.
Jan 11 19:49:06 <mugen-> old people?
Jan 11 19:49:13 <mugen-> who are you referring to?
Jan 11 19:49:14 <torchie> dawg
Jan 11 19:49:16 <torchie> I'm young as fuck
Jan 11 19:49:16 <ShadeS> you know, the ones that vote, and make laws.
Jan 11 19:49:26 <torchie> oh well I can vote at least
Jan 11 19:49:28 <Loudergood> lol
Jan 11 19:49:30 <torchie> haven't done it yet
Jan 11 19:49:32 <torchie> really should
Jan 11 19:49:37 <ShadeS> nobody I know was on ANY committie to make it an ordinance to not skateboard on the sidewalk
Jan 11 19:49:45 <ShadeS> do they really prefer me taking up an entire car lane at 10mph?
Jan 11 19:50:03 <mugen-> yeah, they're hoping your ass gets run down
Jan 11 19:50:05 <Loudergood> they seem to prefer bicycles doing that, even slow ass mountain bikes
Jan 11 19:50:10 <torchie> eh nobody enforces those signs
Jan 11 19:50:17 <Loudergood> that's true
Jan 11 19:50:18 <ShadeS> If it's illegal to skateboard on the sidewalk then the only other option is in the street
Jan 11 19:50:21 <ShadeS> alongside with bicycles
Jan 11 19:50:25 <torchie> and the university I'm at is longboard central :D
Jan 11 19:50:29 <ShadeS> who share the same /privledges/ of the road
Jan 11 19:50:38 <Loudergood> where you can get run over by people too old to be driving
Jan 11 19:50:42 <torchie> got to bomb a parking garage the other day
Jan 11 19:50:44 <torchie> speaking of that
Jan 11 19:50:44 <mugen-> longboards rule
Jan 11 19:50:53 <torchie> is a skateboard considered a vehicle when on the road
Jan 11 19:50:55 <ShadeS> torchie: what uni
Jan 11 19:50:57 <torchie> subject to road rules
Jan 11 19:51:06 <sugardave> dude, texting and driving is fucking stupid...eyes on the goddamn road
Jan 11 19:51:07 <Rick_work> torchie yes.
Jan 11 19:51:15 <ShadeS> sugardave: just because you can't doesn't mean everyone can't
Jan 11 19:51:18 <torchie> that sounds strangely fun
Jan 11 19:51:23 <ShadeS> I know people that can, and people that can't.
Jan 11 19:51:27 <ShadeS> SOme just, *can't*.
Jan 11 19:51:30 <sugardave> no, it isn't a question of ability
Jan 11 19:51:33 <ShadeS> they need to focus all their mental process on the road
Jan 11 19:51:55 <torchie> just gotta figure out how to go as fast as a car
Jan 11 19:51:59 <torchie> and have all the cars recognize me as a car
Jan 11 19:52:05 <ShadeS> some people I know do that so much they tunnel vision on the road, don't check their mirrors, don't know what's behind them, and they're scared to be going so fast (35mph+) on the road
Jan 11 19:52:11 <torchie> ShadeS: central florida
Jan 11 19:52:14 <sugardave> it's a question of you need to be watching the road, mirrors, etc....not looking down at a tiny screen and trying to type out some stupid shit that can definitely wait
Jan 11 19:52:16 <ShadeS> some people I know can text and bike/motorcycle/drive/anything
Jan 11 19:52:21 <Loudergood> I found a picture of ShadeS: http://natsecretan.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/img_0303.jpg
Jan 11 19:52:26 <ShadeS> sugardave: I don't look at the screen when I type
Jan 11 19:52:30 <ShadeS> i only look down to read a text message
Jan 11 19:52:38 <ShadeS> which takes the same amount of time as checking the speed I'm going
Jan 11 19:52:45 <ShadeS> or see what track is playing on the radio
Jan 11 19:52:46 <sugardave> okay, but still looking at the tiny screen and not the road/mirrors/etc
Jan 11 19:52:49 <Rick_work> ShadeS  I would challenge those people to prove that.  I sincerely do not believe that you can text, read texts and drive SAFELY at the same time. I suspect that they've merely been lucky in that they have not encountered emergency situations.
Jan 11 19:52:51 <sugardave> no it doesn't
Jan 11 19:52:52 <ShadeS> or should I not have a radio in my car either, because it's distracting
Jan 11 19:53:01 <ShadeS> or maybe I shouldn't have a GPS in my car either because it forces me to take my eyes off the road
Jan 11 19:53:08 <mugen-> lol Louder
Jan 11 19:53:08 <sugardave> it does?
Jan 11 19:53:24 <sugardave> how does listening to your gps unit tell you to turn right take your eyes off the road?
Jan 11 19:53:31 <sugardave> that seems like mental deficiency
Jan 11 19:53:35 <ShadeS> Rick_work: there are studies done that show that a small portion of the population, 'can handle it'
Jan 11 19:53:41 <ShadeS> but most can't
Jan 11 19:53:41 <torchie> is there a webos api that lets you access incoming text messages
Jan 11 19:53:51 <Rick_work> ShadeS  Radios do not required interaction, and therefore are somewhat less distracting.  If you're PROGRAMMING your gps while your driving then, no, that's stupid.
Jan 11 19:53:53 <ShadeS> sugardave: not every gps talks to you
Jan 11 19:54:00 <Rick_work> ShadeS  Citattion please.
Jan 11 19:54:01 <ShadeS> but every gps has a screen you can stare at while you rear end someone
Jan 11 19:54:16 <sugardave> okay then
Jan 11 19:54:27 <ShadeS> radios require interaction to change the station, and cds require interaction to change them or change the tracks
Jan 11 19:54:27 <sugardave> go kill some folks and have fun with that, I guess
Jan 11 19:54:36 <ShadeS> I've been driving over a decade
Jan 11 19:54:37 <ShadeS> flying colors
Jan 11 19:54:48 <sugardave> ass, I've been driving for 4 decades
Jan 11 19:54:51 <Rick_work> ShadeS  I've been driving over four decades.
Jan 11 19:54:55 <ShadeS> 4 speeding tickets when I was 16 and nothing since
Jan 11 19:54:58 <dohtem> jinx!
Jan 11 19:54:59 <Rick_work> So what?
Jan 11 19:55:08 <ShadeS> that means I"m an excellent driver
Jan 11 19:55:13 <torchie> i like how this conversation started off with the iphone 4
Jan 11 19:55:14 <ShadeS> who doesn't get into accidnets because of texting
Jan 11 19:55:18 <Rick_work> No, it doesn't.
Jan 11 19:55:27 <mugen-> torchie, i know right!? :D
Jan 11 19:55:29 <CTLAdvance> lol accidents while texting is for noobs
Jan 11 19:55:32 <torchie> did I like
Jan 11 19:55:33 <torchie> troll
Jan 11 19:55:34 <sugardave> it means you're lucky to be not dead by some other ass texting while driving
Jan 11 19:55:36 <sugardave> at the most
Jan 11 19:55:43 <ShadeS> CTLAdvance: srsly
Jan 11 19:55:46 <Rick_work> OK...  Webos -- not texting and driving.
Jan 11 19:56:08 <Rick_work> We're too off topic and I'm heating up and I don't want to get into a flame war in this channel.  Let's change the subject.
Jan 11 19:56:08 <ShadeS> even a palm comerical has something about someone using a phone at a red light
Jan 11 19:56:08 <CTLAdvance> eh webOS is not the right os to text and drive unless you have a pre 2
Jan 11 19:56:17 <CTLAdvance> Pre-/+ are all like stutter...
Jan 11 19:56:22 <mugen-> lol
Jan 11 19:56:30 <torchie> pre minus is like
Jan 11 19:56:31 <ShadeS> I haven't tried the pre 2
Jan 11 19:56:36 <torchie> ok let me pull out my LED torch app
Jan 11 19:56:37 <Loudergood> then you have to correct the missed button presses
Jan 11 19:56:37 <Rick_work> at a red lite is not "while driving"
Jan 11 19:56:40 <torchie> iphone 4 guy ALREADY GOT IT
Jan 11 19:56:41 * sugardave is trying to quit smoking.  "So, yeah, fair warning."
Jan 11 19:56:52 * Rick_work -- STOPPING NOW.
Jan 11 19:56:56 <ShadeS> quitting somking is easy, I've done it over a thousand times ;)
Jan 11 19:57:14 <CTLAdvance> pre - is like.... eh hold on im working on it, wait tmc, what app were you loading... oh yeah I should have never been upgraded past 1.1.x
Jan 11 19:57:17 <ShadeS> Rick_work: funny, when I'm at a red light my trasmission is in DRIVE not PARK ;)
Jan 11 19:57:21 <Rick_work>  ShadeS  ahhh-- someone well read.  Sam Clemmons.
Jan 11 19:57:34 <Rick_work> ShadeS  STOPPING NOW.
Jan 11 19:57:40 <ShadeS> ok
Jan 11 19:58:47 * mugen- gets all hot and bothered by Rick's authority.
Jan 11 19:59:44 <mugen-> anyone know of a good free tool for downsampling a .wav ?
Jan 11 19:59:57 <dohtem> so.... anyone working on anything interesting?
Jan 11 20:00:00 <sugardave> windows sound recorder?
Jan 11 20:00:08 <dohtem> mugen-: audacity?
Jan 11 20:00:25 <mugen-> errr, should have specified osx
Jan 11 20:00:44 <ShadeS> 'downsampling' ?
Jan 11 20:01:01 <mugen-> thx dohtem
Jan 11 20:01:14 <dohtem> http://audacity.sourceforge.net/download/beta_mac
Jan 11 20:01:34 <dohtem> there's a non beta available
Jan 11 20:01:43 <mugen-> yeah, i grabbed the beta
Jan 11 20:01:52 <torchie> go beta or go home
Jan 11 20:02:01 <mugen-> i'm a risk taker
Jan 11 20:02:09 * mugen- refrains from making the obvious comment
Jan 11 20:02:17 <torchie> what's the obvious comment
Jan 11 20:02:22 <mugen-> ...nothing
Jan 11 20:02:29 <torchie> :(
Jan 11 20:02:40 <torchie> my mom used this olive oil to massage her feet
Jan 11 20:02:42 <torchie> ...
Jan 11 20:02:43 <torchie> ...
Jan 11 20:02:46 * torchie pours on sandwich anyway
Jan 11 20:02:52 <mugen-> mmmm
Jan 11 20:03:00 <mugen-> sandwich
Jan 11 20:04:02 <ShadeS> but personally, I think that touchscreen keyboards are really fail.
Jan 11 20:04:13 <ShadeS> I don't like having to LOOK at the screen to make sure i'm entering information correctly
Jan 11 20:04:16 <ShadeS> it's so attention-seizing
Jan 11 20:04:31 <Rick_work> ShadeS  thus the need for bt keyboards.
Jan 11 20:04:48 <ShadeS> those are too bulky and not really approperiate for mobile situations
Jan 11 20:04:52 <Rick_work> or even better voice recogntion.
Jan 11 20:04:59 <ShadeS> maybe if you need to do buisness e-mails and you have a plac eto sit for a minute
Jan 11 20:05:10 <ShadeS> but for casual use? I don't think that they're approperiate or would have a market for that
Jan 11 20:05:18 <torchie> the benefits of not having a physical keyboard grafted on outweigh getting to go on about your thumb-touch-typing skills
Jan 11 20:05:24 <ShadeS> voice recognition would be nice but I don't like everyone around me to hear the passwords i'm entering...
Jan 11 20:05:35 <ShadeS> torchie: no, they don't
Jan 11 20:05:39 <ShadeS> not in my eyes
Jan 11 20:05:50 <ShadeS> i'd rather have half a screen than 2xscreen and no keyboard
Jan 11 20:05:51 <torchie> maybe you need your eyes checked
Jan 11 20:06:18 <ShadeS> no, I play classical guitar, and as a result I need to maticulously maintain the nails on my right hand. The iFale does not register keypresses against finger nails, only against skin.
Jan 11 20:06:19 <CTLAdvance> i want 2x screen and a keyboard'
Jan 11 20:06:38 <ShadeS> when I lived in chicago and the winter hit, you could not use your iphone throughg gloves either
Jan 11 20:06:42 <ShadeS> that's such a horrible design
Jan 11 20:06:50 <ShadeS> requiring skin for it to register
Jan 11 20:06:53 <CTLAdvance> pre is like that
Jan 11 20:06:58 <ShadeS> I know
Jan 11 20:06:59 <CTLAdvance> pre 2 is like that
Jan 11 20:07:00 <torchie> that's a brilliant design
Jan 11 20:07:03 <ShadeS> but at least it has a physical keyboard
Jan 11 20:07:06 <CTLAdvance> any capacitive screen it
Jan 11 20:07:07 <ShadeS> not for me
Jan 11 20:07:15 <CTLAdvance> you need resistive otherwise
Jan 11 20:07:18 <ShadeS> because I have a hard time typing letters on the right side of the keyboard
Jan 11 20:07:23 <ShadeS> because they won't register with my nails
Jan 11 20:08:29 <ShadeS> what am I suppose to do? abandon playing classical guitar and cut my nails? screw that noise
Jan 11 20:08:43 <ShadeS> touchscreens were fine when they registered with a stylus or something not requiring skin
Jan 11 20:08:50 <torchie> hell no
Jan 11 20:09:05 <torchie> touchscreens were impractical when they registered with a stylus
Jan 11 20:09:06 <ShadeS> my finger nails allow for 5-10x more precision than my finger tip could do
Jan 11 20:09:39 <torchie> and you know what you're supposed to do when the device doesn't come with a keyboard grafted on?
Jan 11 20:09:51 <ShadeS> not buy it
Jan 11 20:09:53 <torchie> attach, when needed, the keyboard of your choice :)
Jan 11 20:09:54 <ShadeS> is what you do
Jan 11 20:10:22 <ShadeS> the keyboard of my choice is a model m ibm keyboard
Jan 11 20:10:29 <ShadeS> made the same year I was and still typing strong
Jan 11 20:10:44 <torchie> hook it up to a bluetooth transmitter and have a ball
Jan 11 20:10:55 <torchie> and yell, in hallways, look at me and my mechanical switches!
Jan 11 20:11:00 <torchie> master race etc.
Jan 11 20:12:02 <Rick_work> torchie -- IBM Model M keyboards are great.  no question.
Jan 11 20:12:08 <ShadeS> i'm working on a prototype keyboard which I hope explodes in the mobile market
Jan 11 20:12:09 * haeffb_pre about to pull the teigger on evo shift 4g.
Jan 11 20:12:13 <Rick_work> but they're just too freaking LOUD for some situations.
Jan 11 20:12:15 <ShadeS> but even if it doesn't, it'll work sweet for me
Jan 11 20:12:19 <haeffb_pre> somebody talk me down...
Jan 11 20:12:20 <torchie> hey hey loud is where it's at
Jan 11 20:12:27 <ShadeS> Model M IBM keyboard, best ever and best there ever will be.
Jan 11 20:12:48 <ShadeS> Even in the 21st century they cannot create a better keyboard than the model M ibm
Jan 11 20:12:50 <Rick_work> torchie  -- Saddly, every decent one-hand chording has gone off the market.
Jan 11 20:13:04 <torchie> haeffb_pre: atrix
Jan 11 20:13:21 <torchie> also feb 9
Jan 11 20:13:30 <haeffb_pre> buy it today? on Sprint?
Jan 11 20:13:34 <mugen-> haeffb: don't do it man!
Jan 11 20:13:38 <mugen-> don't do it!
Jan 11 20:13:44 <torchie> shift is already out?
Jan 11 20:13:49 <haeffb_pre> feb 9 is soooooo far away
Jan 11 20:13:52 <torchie> the htc evo shit 4g
Jan 11 20:13:58 <mugen-> everytime someone buys an android phone, god kills a kitten
Jan 11 20:13:58 <torchie> hey hey man it's only the coming months
Jan 11 20:14:02 <haeffb_pre> yes.
Jan 11 20:14:11 <haeffb_pre> yesterday
Jan 11 20:14:23 * haeffb_pre hates kittens
Jan 11 20:14:27 <mugen-> uhm...
Jan 11 20:14:35 <mugen-> ...god kills webOS?
Jan 11 20:14:48 <haeffb_pre> oooooohhhhhh. not good.
Jan 11 20:14:52 <mugen-> SEE!
Jan 11 20:14:57 <mugen-> don't do it!
Jan 11 20:15:09 <mugen-> think of the children
Jan 11 20:15:11 <haeffb_pre> but if it helps to kill off some kittens....
Jan 11 20:15:19 <mugen-> no
Jan 11 20:15:29 <mugen-> buying a evo shift CREATES kittens!
Jan 11 20:15:43 <mugen-> it populates the world with more kitten cuteness
Jan 11 20:15:46 <haeffb_pre> aaahhhhhh!
Jan 11 20:15:51 <mugen-> XD
Jan 11 20:15:51 <haeffb_pre> nooooo!
Jan 11 20:15:56 <mugen-> yes!
Jan 11 20:15:59 <torchie> htc evo shit 4g
Jan 11 20:16:00 <haeffb_pre> ok. waiting for feb 9
Jan 11 20:16:18 <torchie> I feel like epic would be a better chocie than evo shit 4g
Jan 11 20:16:23 <torchie> anyway
Jan 11 20:17:45 * haeffb_pre really doesn't want to pay extra for 4g that I can't have anyway
Jan 11 20:18:10 <torchie> yeah
Jan 11 20:18:17 <torchie> I'm in orlando but why would I use 4g
Jan 11 20:18:25 * haeffb_pre headr that Palm had Pre 2's over a year ago.
Jan 11 20:18:30 <torchie> youtube already works on 3g and only embarrasses me in front of my friends one out of five times
Jan 11 20:18:31 <haeffb_pre> heard
Jan 11 20:18:54 <ShadeS> they redefined what 4g means on dec 6th
Jan 11 20:18:56 <destinal> haeffb_pre: I think the HP acquisition severely affected pre2 rollout
Jan 11 20:18:58 <torchie> if the original pre minus was what the pre 2 was
Jan 11 20:19:05 <ShadeS> one network just changed 3g to 4g with out any actual infrastructure upgrade
Jan 11 20:19:06 <torchie> well the processor would be a year ahead of its time
Jan 11 20:19:21 <haeffb_pre> destinal: yep
Jan 11 20:19:44 <torchie> argh nook doesn't get internet in le dorm
Jan 11 20:24:56 <dgathright> While I believe that the Pre2 has been around for a while, I think the holdup is both carrier issues and webOS 2.0
Jan 11 20:26:42 <halfhalo-foood> lulz nooks
Jan 11 20:26:59 <dohtem> today is 1/11/11
Jan 11 20:27:12 <dohtem> carry on
Jan 11 20:27:16 <halfhalo-foood> lol
Jan 11 20:27:56 * halfhalo-foood is at chilis with everyone at work and feels left out since he has no beers
Jan 11 20:28:13 <dohtem> are you driving?
Jan 11 20:28:22 <halfhalo-foood> no
Jan 11 20:28:34 <halfhalo-foood> I just don't do beer
Jan 11 20:28:44 <dohtem> hard stuff?
Jan 11 20:28:45 <dgathright> Appletini?
Jan 11 20:28:53 <halfhalo-foood> lol
Jan 11 20:29:01 <dohtem> dgathright: please, he has his manhood to think about
Jan 11 20:29:24 <dgathright> not if he doesn't drink beer. :)
Jan 11 20:29:46 <dohtem> true
Jan 11 20:36:29 <mugen-> god i'd love some rye right now
Jan 11 20:36:39 <mugen-> that sounds so good
Jan 11 20:39:25 <dohtem> Everything is social now - http://gomiso.com/
Jan 11 20:40:13 <ShadeS> yeah makes me wish I paid more attention in probability & statistics class
Jan 11 20:40:23 <ShadeS> using twitters feed to find information I can monatize on
Jan 11 21:13:58 * halfhalo is back
Jan 11 21:43:23 <mugen-> ugh... setInterval gives me such headaches
Jan 11 21:43:29 * mugen- shakes his fist
Jan 11 21:44:26 <dohtem> where is sineOt?
Jan 11 21:44:41 <dohtem> we need a bot in here :)
Jan 11 21:55:26 <Tibfib> heh, been there done that
Jan 11 21:57:08 <dohtem> Tibfib!
Jan 11 21:57:15 <Tibfib> dohtem!
Jan 11 22:00:19 <torchie-nook> Does the done! App show tasks that arent due yet as notifications
Jan 11 22:07:06 <Tibfib> torchie-nook: I saw your comment asking if koto has dashboards, it does
Jan 11 22:09:45 <dohtem> Tibfib: when's the release date?
Jan 11 22:09:57 <Tibfib> whenever palm lets us submit 2.0 apps
Jan 11 22:11:05 <Tibfib> it's pretty much ready
Jan 11 22:11:08 <dohtem> it's finished?
Jan 11 22:11:17 <rwhitby> Tibfib: have you asked Chuq about whitelisting?
Jan 11 22:11:23 <Tibfib> I have that
Jan 11 22:11:31 <Tibfib> I need to specify min webos version as 2.0
Jan 11 22:12:08 <Tibfib> :/
Jan 11 22:21:03 <torchie-nook> Sweet, i may hit up logo
Jan 11 22:21:17 <torchie-nook> Does it support on the go playlists
Jan 11 22:21:25 <torchie-nook> Koto*
Jan 11 22:21:31 <Tibfib> lol
Jan 11 22:21:35 <Tibfib> yep!
Jan 11 22:21:54 <torchie-nook> :D
Jan 11 22:22:09 <Tibfib> bah, here's a small screen shot http://media.precentral.net/resources/images/000/060/199/medium/koto-player-preview-5.png
Jan 11 22:22:31 <Tibfib> nice overlay thingy :)
Jan 11 22:24:36 <torchie-nook> Now that is hot
Jan 11 22:25:32 <Tibfib> thanks!
Jan 11 22:33:08 <semprance> Is there any heavily commented c-service source code in the webos-internals git?
Jan 11 22:33:29 <semprance> or is there any particular app that is best for learning the ins and outs of a c service from?
Jan 11 22:37:26 <haeffb> torchie-nook: re Done app... it will show tasks with due dates OR start dates prior to NOW as notifications.
Jan 11 22:37:48 <torchie-nook> Do like
Jan 11 22:37:50 <torchie-nook> Do want
Jan 11 22:38:13 <torchie-nook> Now if only the credit card linked to my palm profile wasn't browned
Jan 11 22:38:29 <haeffb> or more precisely, every time it gets to a due date/time or start date/time, it will show all tasks that are past due or past start.
Jan 11 22:38:41 <haeffb> duh. get the beta from preware
Jan 11 22:38:46 <haeffb> no credit card needed
Jan 11 22:39:48 <haeffb> you can use the beta free forever and I'll never know.
Jan 11 22:45:24 <rwhitby> Preware free stuff FTW ;)
Jan 11 22:46:56 <torchie-nook> Dun dun
Jan 11 22:46:57 <halfhalo> free is goooood
Jan 11 22:47:04 <rsanchez1> hello
Jan 11 22:47:24 <torchie-nook> I guess
Jan 11 22:47:25 <torchie-nook> Ill just have
Jan 11 22:47:25 <torchie-nook> To do that
Jan 11 22:47:25 <torchie-nook> Then
Jan 11 22:47:34 <rsanchez1> just wondering if someone could try this for me, if you do:
Jan 11 22:48:02 <rsanchez1> var myAudio = new Audio(); Mojo.Log.info("%j", myAudio);
Jan 11 22:48:07 <rsanchez1> what output do you get?
Jan 11 22:52:22 <Tibfib> hmm, can't decide how I feel about that phnx twitter app
Jan 11 22:52:49 <oilsworkn> phnx?
Jan 11 22:53:19 <Tibfib> http://bit.ly/i7JAhI
Jan 11 22:53:23 <Tibfib> youtube vid
Jan 11 22:53:23 <rsanchez1> I'm getting undefined from new Audio()
Jan 11 22:53:29 <Tibfib> it's interesting..
Jan 11 22:53:46 <Tibfib> rsanchez1: try http://ares.palm.com/AresDebug/
Jan 11 22:54:59 <rsanchez1> whoa, how does that site have access to my phone??
Jan 11 22:55:06 <Tibfib> ...
Jan 11 22:55:12 <oilsworkn> HACKERS!
Jan 11 22:55:24 <oilsworkn> Tibfib: it looks very wp7
Jan 11 22:55:28 <Tibfib> yeah..
Jan 11 22:55:35 <Tibfib> I don't like the overflowing text in wp7
Jan 11 22:55:51 <Tibfib> I don't know... I'll have to use it before judging
Jan 11 22:55:54 <oilsworkn> you dont like only rea
Jan 11 22:55:56 <Tibfib> carbon looks pretty slick
Jan 11 22:56:01 <oilsworkn> ding parts of thin
Jan 11 22:56:03 <oilsworkn> gs per page?
Jan 11 22:56:11 <Tibfib> lol
Jan 11 22:56:34 <Tibfib> I wish tweetjar would get edits.. that's by far my favorite looking app on webOS. It just needs function
Jan 11 22:56:38 <Tibfib> get updates...
Jan 11 22:56:45 * oilsworkn has none of them
Jan 11 22:56:49 * oilsworkn has spaz cause its free
Jan 11 22:57:00 <Tibfib> yeah. I use spaz full time. best out there atm
Jan 11 22:57:01 * oilsworkn has badkitty becuase he gets it free
Jan 11 22:57:02 <oilsworkn> xD
Jan 11 22:57:17 * oilsworkn doesn't care about twitter enough to pay for a client
Jan 11 22:57:35 <Tibfib> twitter apps are the best looking apps on webOS, I like to have them :)
Jan 11 22:58:03 <funkatron> see, you have a jar
Jan 11 22:58:10 <funkatron> then you put yer TWEETS in it
Jan 11 22:58:30 <oilsworkn> then you lock it away in a closet?
Jan 11 22:58:37 <oilsworkn> only if
Jan 11 22:58:38 <oilsworkn> xD
Jan 11 22:58:39 <funkatron> a lockbox
Jan 11 22:58:43 <rsanchez1> ares debug also tells me new Audio() returns undefined
Jan 11 22:58:44 <oilsworkn> lol
Jan 11 22:58:54 <oilsworkn> rsanchez1: then Audio() is not defined!
Jan 11 22:58:56 <oilsworkn> :)
Jan 11 22:58:56 <Tibfib> well, looks like it is undefined
Jan 11 22:59:06 <funkatron> welp
Jan 11 22:59:10 <oilsworkn> define it
Jan 11 22:59:16 <Tibfib> funkatron: yeah, lame name :)
Jan 11 22:59:30 <funkatron> lamer than Spaz? hardly
Jan 11 22:59:35 <oilsworkn> lol
Jan 11 22:59:54 <Tibfib> heh
Jan 11 22:59:56 <rsanchez1> gah, this just started happening out of nowhere
Jan 11 23:00:16 <funkatron> is Audio a built-in object?
Jan 11 23:00:18 <oilsworkn> maybe it was in the jar
Jan 11 23:00:24 <Tibfib> funkatron: yes
Jan 11 23:00:27 <funkatron> like, what provides it?
Jan 11 23:00:37 <rsanchez1> it should be a built-in object: http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1741&itemid=265#using_html_5_audio_objects
Jan 11 23:00:37 <maik> Audio = function () { };
Jan 11 23:00:39 <maik> tada
Jan 11 23:00:48 <funkatron> oh fancy
Jan 11 23:00:54 <maik> or
Jan 11 23:00:58 <funkatron> well that's odd
Jan 11 23:00:59 <maik> Audio = function () { return undefined; };
Jan 11 23:01:04 <Tibfib> in koto I do: m.nP.audioObj = new Audio();
Jan 11 23:01:11 <Tibfib> @ rsanchez1
Jan 11 23:01:39 <rsanchez1> this has me completely baffled
Jan 11 23:01:52 <oilsworkn> ctrl+z!
Jan 11 23:05:17 <mugen-> okay, so everyone knows the batman and inception bwongggg noise... what other "sounds" are similar in effect
Jan 11 23:05:26 <mugen-> transformers screech maybe?
Jan 11 23:07:36 <rsanchez1> so ares debug is giving me this error: TypeError: Object function HTMLMediaElement() { [native code] } has no method '_decorateWithPalmFunctions'
Jan 11 23:07:42 <rsanchez1> but palm-log isn't
Jan 11 23:07:54 <Tibfib> are you trying to call that method?
Jan 11 23:08:01 <Tibfib> or it's just erroring that?
Jan 11 23:08:19 <rsanchez1> apparently, the Audio constructor is calling that method
Jan 11 23:08:43 <rsanchez1> Audio: function (initSrc){ 	var nativeAudio = new NativeAudio(); 	HTMLMediaElement._decorateWithPalmFunctions(nativeAudio); 	if (initSrc){ 		nativeAudio.src = initSrc; 	} 	return nativeAudio; }
Jan 11 23:09:16 <mugen-> new NativeAudio() ?
Jan 11 23:09:32 <rsanchez1> I have no idea
Jan 11 23:09:53 <rsanchez1> new Audio() worked until just now
Jan 11 23:09:57 <oilsworkn> var audio = new AAARRRRGRGGHH();
Jan 11 23:10:01 <mugen-> lol
Jan 11 23:10:11 <funkatron> different framework version?
Jan 11 23:10:20 <funkatron> some new lib that you loaded?
Jan 11 23:10:32 <funkatron> can you grep your codebase for "Audio"?
Jan 11 23:11:32 <rsanchez1> only thing I get is the line containing new Audio()
Jan 11 23:11:55 <rsanchez1> only called once
Jan 11 23:14:42 <rsanchez1> well I guess the only other thing I've done today is play around with the developer Pre 2 that just came in today
Jan 11 23:14:57 <Tibfib> lol. http://twitter.com/#!/wfleurant/status/24953178625675265
Jan 11 23:14:58 <rsanchez1> don't have any idea how that could be affecting the Pre though...
Jan 11 23:15:01 <Tibfib> irc bots
Jan 11 23:15:24 <Tibfib> rsanchez1: all music apps work fine on my pre 2 :/
Jan 11 23:15:56 <rsanchez1> :(
Jan 11 23:18:45 <funkatron> PULL REQUEST or STFU shirts now available: http://j.mp/gNZRoD http://j.mp/i0xfXc
Jan 11 23:19:31 <oilsworkn> yay?
Jan 11 23:21:54 <oilsworkn> :(
Jan 11 23:26:27 <oilsworkn> hey, its otterpants
Jan 11 23:26:50 <SineOt> yush
Jan 11 23:27:10 <Tibfib> lol
Jan 11 23:29:19 <Tibfib> nevernotieced that before
Jan 11 23:31:13 <SineOt> :P
Jan 11 23:31:17 <SineOt> Oh ~GOOGLE~
Jan 11 23:33:28 <oilsworkn> you know
Jan 11 23:33:50 <oilsworkn> my mental image of tibfib, is still kevin
Jan 11 23:33:54 <Tibfib> hahaaha
Jan 11 23:33:58 <oilsworkn> i dont know if thats a good thing
Jan 11 23:33:58 <oilsworkn> lol
Jan 11 23:34:09 <Tibfib> I was considering changing my twitter pic to kevin today
Jan 11 23:34:28 <oilsworkn> lol
Jan 11 23:34:44 <Tibfib> decided most people wouldn't get it :)
Jan 11 23:38:11 <oilsworkn> t must stand for tyler mandry
Jan 11 23:40:21 * SineOt ponders doing icon work today. Needs a company logo. No more stunna shades.
Jan 11 23:40:37 <Tibfib> you should make me one too
Jan 11 23:41:01 <oilsworkn> what about...
Jan 11 23:41:05 <oilsworkn> and otter wearing pants!
Jan 11 23:41:13 <oilsworkn> or pants made of otter skin?
Jan 11 23:41:31 <SineOt> Or just this image. http://www.flickr.com/photos/macke827/5306646558/in/photostream/
Jan 11 23:41:32 <Tibfib> otterWearingPants++
Jan 11 23:41:45 <SineOt> I don't think it's "playing." I think it's "insane meth murder rampage."
Jan 11 23:42:12 <Tibfib> yeah lol
Jan 11 23:42:15 <oilsworkn> same dif
Jan 11 23:42:27 <Loudergood> run it through a few ps filters and you're set
Jan 11 23:42:42 <oilsworkn> outline/linedrawing
Jan 11 23:42:52 <SineOt> http://a0.twimg.com/profile_images/1181493918/StunnaShades.png 83
Jan 11 23:43:07 <oilsworkn> lol
Jan 11 23:43:10 <Tibfib> lol
Jan 11 23:43:33 <SineOt> That's the closest to a company logo I have right now. D:>
Jan 11 23:44:06 * halfhalo is stumped with this code
Jan 11 23:45:23 <SineOt> Put a donk on it.
Jan 11 23:46:07 <oilsworkn> "derivation: shortened form or badonkadonk"
Jan 11 23:46:14 <oilsworkn> thanks urban dictionary
Jan 11 23:46:26 <oilsworkn> lol
Jan 11 23:47:37 <Tibfib> lol
Jan 11 23:47:41 <SineOt> Hm, can you use nova-browser to pull a folder?
Jan 11 23:47:48 * Tibfib uses winscp
Jan 11 23:48:13 * oilsworkn too
Jan 11 23:49:26 <SineOt> that goes over wifi though, doesn't it?
Jan 11 23:49:37 * SineOt has a poor poor Sprint Pixi~
Jan 11 23:50:08 <oilsworkn> ouch
Jan 11 23:50:57 <SineOt> Enyo wishlist: @font-face
Jan 11 23:51:33 <halfhalo> lol
Jan 11 23:56:07 <Roy-Pre101> rwhitby: Help!
Jan 11 23:56:28 <halfhalo> it wasn't me, I swear!
Jan 11 23:57:09 <dohtem> Lies!
Jan 12 00:08:49 <rwhitby> Roy-Pre101: whassup?
Jan 12 00:09:12 <Roy-Pre101> read in #webos-internals
Jan 12 00:14:53 <semprance> is the service contained within impostah only accessible by the impostah front-end app?
Jan 12 00:17:54 <semprance> ..or can any app make a request to the service?
Jan 12 00:21:15 <dohtem> http://weavesilk.com/
Jan 12 00:23:11 <semprance> silk. awesome.
Jan 12 00:23:58 <rwhitby> semprance: at the moment, it is open, but we're going to need to whitelist it otherwise it will be a security vulnerability
Jan 12 00:24:28 <semprance> I thought as much
Jan 12 00:25:02 <semprance> I'd love to use it to extract texts for backup, which is potentially a security risk anyway
Jan 12 01:08:21 <semprance> cool, I'm getting signs of life from the service
Jan 12 01:45:33 <JenP> hi all
Jan 12 01:46:01 <dgathright> yo yo
Jan 12 01:59:48 <haeffb> wat up JenP ?
Jan 12 01:59:58 <JenP> hi hea!
Jan 12 02:00:01 <JenP> heaffb
Jan 12 02:00:05 <JenP> lol
Jan 12 02:01:49 <oil> lol
Jan 12 02:02:42 <rwhitby> hey JenP
Jan 12 02:02:57 <JenP> hi guys!
Jan 12 02:03:05 <JenP> how are you all? I've missed you
Jan 12 02:03:09 <rwhitby> semprance: be aware that the access you have now is likely to be removed in the next version
Jan 12 02:06:31 <Loudergood> wow: http://blog.chromium.org/2011/01/html-video-codec-support-in-chrome.html
Jan 12 02:06:49 <Loudergood> google is dropping h264 support from chrome
Jan 12 02:07:03 <SineOt> Aaaand Google makes a massive, stupid move
Jan 12 02:08:35 <bpadalino> i think it's weak to remove support for something that is already in and working
Jan 12 02:09:11 <Loudergood> yeah it's a different tack then just straight up saying no like mozilla did
Jan 12 02:10:39 <Loudergood> bold move in any case
Jan 12 02:10:55 <bpadalino> very bold, indeed
Jan 12 02:12:42 <Loudergood> if they want to be really bold they'll switch youtube to webm and serve the browsers that don't support it webm in flash. (does flash even support webm?)
Jan 12 02:16:45 <bpadalino> the strongarming is upsetting
Jan 12 02:26:21 <Tibfib> poll: if you had a "recover now playing" button in a music player for when you accidentally tap on something or just want to go back to your previous songs.. would you want the button to view your previously played? or have it play right where you left off?
Jan 12 02:32:01 <Tibfib> shmeh. probably shouldn't ask devs user oriented questions ;)
Jan 12 02:33:10 <bpadalino> i don't know what a recover now player button means
Jan 12 02:34:49 <Tibfib> so you are playing some songs, you accidentally tap a song and it plays and gets rid of your playlist and you didn't want it to
Jan 12 02:35:10 <Tibfib> tap recover, it'll come back
Jan 12 02:37:15 <Loudergood> heh, undo
Jan 12 02:39:07 <Tibfib> yep
Jan 12 02:39:30 <Tibfib> realized that with the way I save now playing already, all it will take is a couple lines of code
Jan 12 02:44:22 <bpadalino> so like a playlist stack ?
Jan 12 02:44:55 <Tibfib> pretty much
Jan 12 02:46:32 <bpadalino> i can dig that ..
Jan 12 02:46:36 <Tibfib> I think I'll go with playing for now, viewing if people care enough
Jan 12 02:49:45 <nyceane> ello Tibfib =)
Jan 12 02:49:52 <nyceane> JenP!
Jan 12 02:49:57 <Tibfib> nyceane: howdy!
Jan 12 02:50:06 <nyceane> long time no see =D
Jan 12 02:50:10 <JenP> nyceane! how are you
Jan 12 02:50:26 <nyceane> I've been so busy polishing up my app lol
Jan 12 02:50:35 <nyceane> WebOS is after the web =D
Jan 12 02:50:41 <nyceane> how are you guys?
Jan 12 02:50:44 <Tibfib> oh yeah? whatcha making?
Jan 12 02:50:50 <nyceane> Pickup Sports
Jan 12 02:50:51 <JenP> good
Jan 12 02:50:57 <Tibfib> sweet
Jan 12 02:51:11 <nyceane> http://www.precentral.net/pickup-sports
Jan 12 02:51:19 <nyceane> can't do any updates right now, I rewrote the backend
Jan 12 02:51:35 <nyceane> And I rewrote the front end of Android and iPhone
Jan 12 02:51:46 <nyceane> WebOS is coming up with all the new features =D
Jan 12 02:52:05 <nyceane> JenP, are you still in SD?
Jan 12 02:52:12 <JenP> yup
Jan 12 02:52:44 <nyceane> how are you doing there?
Jan 12 02:53:21 <JenP> great
Jan 12 02:53:38 <nyceane> I bet you think about me every night
Jan 12 02:53:42 <Tibfib> lol
Jan 12 02:53:42 <nyceane> ;)
Jan 12 02:54:02 <JenP> wake up screaming each time LOL
Jan 12 02:54:16 <nyceane> lol
Jan 12 02:54:32 <JenP> (fl)
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